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Scientology forks over phone numbers to federal judge, who puts his foot down again

 
On May 1, Tampa federal Judge James Whittemore gave the Church of Scientology just ten days to turn over the phone numbers and occupations of 500 Los Angeles-area Scientologists whose names the church had previously turned in to the court under seal. It’s been more than a week since that deadline passed, and now we have evidence that the church did comply.

We learned that the church met the deadline from a footnote in a new order that Judge Whittemore issued Thursday, in which he reinforced just how much he’s taken control of a case that has fascinated us since it was first filed as a federal fraud lawsuit by a California couple, Luis and Rocio Garcia, back in January 2013.

The Garcias say they were lied to and defrauded by the church in order to convince them to turn over hundreds of thousands of dollars for a building project. But in 2015 Judge Whittemore ruled that membership contracts signed by the Garcias required them to submit their grievances to an internal Scientology arbitration process, and he stayed the lawsuit. Since then the Garcias and the church have been unable to agree on a set of three arbitrators to hear the matter, who according to Scientology must be church members in good standing. Whittemore became fed up with the two sides fighting over the process and decided to step in. He asked Scientology to submit an application that would give him the power to choose the arbitrators, and ordered the church to turn over the list of 500 Scientologists.

In a hearing last month, Scientology’s attorney, Wally Pope, appeared to agree with the idea that Whittemore would choose all three arbitrators. But by the time the church came back with its list of church members in good standing, it argued in a new motion that the judge should only choose one arbitrator, for the Garcias, and the church would take care of the other two. The church also insisted that it should contact any church members on behalf of the court, and did not turn over any phone numbers.

As we reported earlier, that didn’t sit well with Whittemore, who gave the church ten days to turn over that contact information for the 500 Scientologists. And now, he’s reiterated his authority to choose all three arbitrators, even as he “granted” Scientology’s motion that he choose just one.

It’s one of the more creative legal “fuck yous” we’ve seen in a while, frankly.

 

 
Did you get that? “Yes, I’m granting the church’s motion that I choose one person, and I’m choosing three. So suck it.”

Now that’s a sick burn.

And the situation is getting downright surreal. A federal judge in Tampa has a list of 500 names, with contact information, for Scientologists in good standing in the Los Angeles area, and he (or his clerks) will begin randomly choosing from that list to call up Scientologists to see if they would be willing to sit on an arbitration panel to decide a dispute brought by a couple of excommunicated top former church members, people the church has “declared suppressive” and instructed its members to have no contact with of any kind.

Whittemore has already threatened to throw into jail the attorneys for either side if he finds evidence that any of them tries to interfere with this process by contacting those potential arbitrators independently.

Which means that Whittemore thinks he’ll be able to convince three Scientologists to agree to become arbitrators without immediately running to the church or checking with its internal gestapo, the Office of Special Affairs.

Truly, this has the potential to become one of Scientology’s greatest clusterfucks of all time.

Or maybe we’re being too cynical and Judge Whittemore really will be able pull this off and will soon find three Scientologists to say, “sure, judge, I’ll be happy to serve” without running to the church in a panic first.

Crazier things have happened.

Here’s the judge’s order, one of the more passive-aggressive legal documents we’ve seen in a while. Let us know what you find in its depths.

 
GARCIAOrderArbitrators

 
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Australian senator goes after Narconon

If you’re a regular Underground Bunker reader, you will find the allegations about Scientology’s drug rehab network Narconon in this Australian report very familiar — that it’s really delivering Scientology training, not drug counseling; that its staff is made up of former addicts, not medical personnel; and that the facilities are accused of lax security and worse, making them dangerous places for people trying to recover from drug abuse.

But what we especially liked to see was the statement by independent Australian senator Nick Xenophon, who criticized the Victorian state government for leasing land to the Scientology rehab outside of Melbourne…

 

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon wants Narconon shut down and has slammed the Victorian Government for leasing public land to the Scientology-backed company.

“What’s happening at Narconon highlights the fact that there is inadequate regulation or no regulation when it comes to treating people with substance abuse,” Senator Xenophon said.

“If any government is giving a leg up to Narconon, they should demand accountability for the fact that they’re effectively getting taxpayer help to operate. They should demand transparency in their books, they should demand accountability in their treatment programs.”

“When you have people so vulnerable, so desperate for help, to be roped in to something that appear to be a front for Scientology is just not on.”

Can you imagine an American politician being as interested in, and vocal about, Scientology’s dangerous and deceptive drug rehabs in this country? What’s it going to take?

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Actual caption: My first job as In Charge of Help Campaigns for CAUSE LA: Last weekend I was asked to perform and speak from the main stage of Long Beach Arena (!) at the prestigious CA Women’s Conference and I sang, shared my story, and preached the good gospel of The Way To Happiness to all! Then I gave a 20 minute speech again on how TWTH helped me leave my brother’s couch and recreational drug use, drinking and my “Party girl” lifestyle behind to now flourish and prosper just 6 years later as #1 on iTunes and Amazon, charting on Billboard and touring the world as a professional singer using The Way To Happiness as my moral compass! Another interview with Voice of American We also passed out over 500 goody bags filled with TWTH custom Joy Villa covers and The Truth About Drugs! Get your own copy FREE and share with your friends!

 






 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans, and book your room soon!

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,756 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,859 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,353 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,393 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,105 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 631 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,720 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,860 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,180 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,155 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 511 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,813 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 920 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,322 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,195 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 776 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,281 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,525 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,634 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 20, 2017 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Bob Crouch

    So glad that Joy Villa took time out of her schedule of the rich and famous to inform us how important she is. Without her testimonial to herself, who would have known?

    So the word is out: She is a star–any bit as much as WTH is an original breakthrough definitive philosophical work on ethics written by a true humanitarian. A work that radically transforms every area where it lands–particularly those far away from the prying eyes of cult critics.

  • Jeb Burton

    That drag queen is pretty hot. At least the Garcia case is now getting interesting. I always thought that a person who enabled DM deserved whatever they got. The Garcias didn’t have any problem when they were getting life sized trophies, but freaked out when they found out they were getting swindled. Hard to feel sorry for these fools. But I hope they kick ass.

    • Jimmy3

      That’s the sweetest thing you’ve ever said here. “That drag queen is pretty hot.”

    • pluvo

      It was not only about “getting swindled”. Among others they tried to drive a wedge between the couple when Luis was refusing the demand for more money, trying to convince him that his wive would have a negative influence on him and would be an SP.

    • abdaman

      why are you even here

  • Rasha

    O/T Was so glad to see my brother today. Able to answer simple questions, and made one wisecrack to an announcement I made to him. Physically looking good, considering, but showing no emotion, just nods and simple answers. Still, Rasha is tears happy to be able to wheel him around and chat.

    • Jimmy3

      -^____^-

      • Rasha

        TY!!!

        • Jimmy3

          Good news is good. Rooting for your family.

          • Rasha

            Very Jimmeh!!!

    • Supper Powers

      Glad to know you’re there with him. That has to help him in a thousand ways.

      • Rasha

        My youngest brother says today is the best he’s seen him since the accident – even better than last night!

    • GfldedKim

      So happy for you Rasha! Thrilled it was a wonderful moment for you. ❀️

      • Rasha

        Very thanks. I know he would have been smiling if he could. Lots of healing on the way….

    • Mick Roberts

      Glad to hear he’s looking good considering the circumstances. We’re all still pulling for him to make a full recovery very quickly. Thanks for the update, and please keep us posted on his progress.

      • Rasha

        So thanks, Mick! Mah Bunks is fam, so I know we got support here!!!

    • Sherbet

      You mean cracking wise runs in the Rasha family?

      • Rasha

        You have no idea…. ^_^

        • Rasha

          …Rasha won’t reveal what the announcement or the wisecrack was yet, but his response said a lot about his recovery. ^_^

          • Jimmy3

            You’ve decided to join a J-pop girl band. We know.

            • Rasha

              DAMMIT, JIMMEH JIMMEH JIMMEH!!!!!

          • Supper Powers

            I cannot wait until you share it with us! You’re still drinking wine after work, so nope to that. Hmm. I eagerly await the reveal.

            • Rasha

              Was it supposed to be wine? o.O

            • Supper Powers

              I meant nope to my own idea. I’m clumsy.

            • Rasha

              Hehe. We’ll see what’s on offer at the monopoly game. Leaving now…

          • Mick Roberts

            Damnit Rasha! You’re being a bigger tease than Tony when he occasionally pops in here with a teaser on the following day’s story….

    • Rasha

      Okay, off for some Rasha-Family Rules Monopoly, while I’m still in town! Y’all be enturbulated good!

    • Kestrel

      Wonderful news, Rasha!

      • Rasha

        Very news, Kes! More than worth the 600-mile drive. WAY more! ^_^

    • balletlady

      Gave it time my friend…..the body can heal itself with time, proper care & the LOVE & support of family and friends. .Stay strong Rasha, the BEST is yet to be. I am praying for your brother. (and for you too).

      • Rasha

        Thank you! I have told him the same thing. Let the healing happen it its time. I know it is very hard for him, but we’re not going anywhere until he’s better.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Love you, Rashie. You will have brought a ray of sunshine to your brother’s bedside, I know it. x

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Great news πŸ™‚ *hugs*

  • Mick Roberts

    Question. Since this case is now going to be subject to the appointment of arbitrators by the court in accordance with section 5 of the FAA, is Judge Whittemore actually bound or compelled to appoint “Scientologists in Good Standing” in accordance with the arbitration agreement?

    In other words, can the arbitrators be appointed at his own discretion, as long as he “pays heed to the principle that each party should be treated fairly, if not equally, in the appointment process”?

    Obviously, he couldn’t appoint any three of us Bunker commenters to the panel as it would certainly be argued that none of us would be “fair” based on our comments (although I do enjoy imagining Tony, Leah Remini, and Mike Rinder being appointed to this panel).

    Is he still bound by the “Scientologists in Good Standing” clause of their arbitration agreement? I’ve been reading through the BP Exploration Libya Ltd. v. ExxonMobil Libya Ltd. case that Whittemore cites several times and I can’t find anything about how it would relate to an actual clause. See here to read it:

    https://casetext.com/case/bp-exploration-libya-ltd-v-exxonmobil-libya-ltd

    From what I’ve seen so far (and I’m no lawyer), I haven’t seen anything that states that once the appointment process is to be done by the court under section 5 of the FAA, that there are any stipulations (other than the number of arbitrators) that would bind Judge Whittemore in his appointment.

    • PeaceMaker

      I had a look at that reference, though not in detail.

      My basic takeaway, is that the judge has good reason to be concerned about being overturned on appeal, unless he tries to adhere as closely as possible to the arbitration process as originally specified. A breakdown in the arbitration process is not grounds for the judge to take it over and be creative, even if that might seem to serve fairness, but only to impose the minimal changes absolutely necessary for the arbitration to be able to go forward.

      I can understand why the judge is being very cautious, if he is looking at that appeal and overturn as a precedent.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    A New country western song called The Ballad of Joy Villa:

    Put down the Devil’s crack pipe Joy Villa!
    Get up off yer brother’s couch!
    Go down and git yerself some Scien-tol-o-gee
    and rid yerself of all yer BT’s!

    Go tattoo yerself Joy Villa
    And put a piercing in yer mouth
    Go spread the word of Scien-tol-o-gee
    At trade shows and the Rotary!

    Well now Joy married herself off to Thurston Howell
    A strange bearded feller from somewhere overseas
    Thurston was big time into Scien-tol-o-gee
    And had money to buy Joy whatever she please

    Now Joy Villa don’t got a lick ah’ talent
    But you don’t need no talent
    In the Church ah’ Scien-tol-o-gee
    Long as you gots ah lot of mon-eeee

    So go put down the Devil’s crack pipe Joy Villa
    Get up off yer brother’s couch!
    Go down and git yerself some Scien-tol-o-gee
    And preach it at trade shows and the Rotary!

    • Kestrel

      This’ll be a toe-tapper at the Cambridge lip-sync.

      • EmmaDaoust

        And a dosey-doh.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Mick Roberts

      The Church of Scientology is the one that is “dying”. Oh, and it’s also an “industry” as well (have you figured that out yet IRS?)

    • JaxNGold

      Oh for f***’s sake. So deluded.

      There are many people who walk into a psychiatrist’s office every single day around the world. Almost no one is walking into a $cientology org. So, who’s winning and who’s “dying”?

      • April

        No, you don’t understand! Psychiatrists drag people off the street into their offices and force them into treatment!! They go to wog schools and pull kids out of class, forcing the kids to take medication!!

        This is what scientologists believe. Seriously fucked up.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Go fuck yourself Co$.

      Edited.

    • chukicita

      Anti-science marches. Scientology was doing them before they were cool.

  • Mockingbird

    Good imbecilic idiocy filled day Bunkeroos.

    I am not trying to be insulting but how else can you describe the legal strategy of Scientology ?

    Miscavige meeting with a team of high priced attorneys.

    Miscavige: okay guys, here is what we do – whatever the judge says we ignore and do something else !
    High paid attorney 1: um, I have decades of experience with this and I am certain that is the worst possible thing we could do.
    Miscavige: shut up you CICS ! Who SCOHB ! I am running this show !

    High priced attorney 1: okay.

    (Time passes)

    Miscavige: well how did my brilliant plan of genius go ? (Smiling confidently)
    High priced attorney 1: we did exactly as you demanded and ordered. The judge is furious and threatening us with jail if we don’t cooperate.
    Miscavige: obviously YOU fucked it up ! You CICS low toned DB SP ! (Attorney 1 looks at Scientology tech dictionary)

    Miscavige: no more of YOUR screwups ! To the RPF with you !
    (Two big Sea Org security guards drag a previously wog lawyer to the RPF for a life sentence)

    Miscavige: okay ! Now what are you going to do to fix YOUR fuck ups !
    High priced attorney 2: um…(backing away slowly and trying to figure out how to make it out of the meeting alive)

    • chukicita

      Behind Yingling’s eyelids must wait a flowery meadow next to a peacefully burbling brook lined by shady muffin trees.

      • Mockingbird

        Babbling brook somehow reminds me of her…

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding independent Australian senator Nick Xenophon he is fortunately taking on Scientology in a way very, very rare for a politician to do. If only we had a few hundred others with his approach and attitude Scientology would really be brought to heel and rue the day it abused anyone.

    I wish there was a way to encourage more behavior like that and show him some appreciation.

  • flyonthewall

    If anyone needs romantic advice, I’m taking questions for the next 30min.

    • Mick Roberts

      I’m good….thanks….

      • flyonthewall

        Sure? Ok then

        • EmmaDaoust

          Mick gets enough advice from Dr Phil.

          • Mick Roberts

            lol. Bravo Emma……

          • flyonthewall

            Now he will get advice from Dr. Fly

            • Mockingbird

              Dr. Fly is cool. Reminds me of Doctor Venus Flytrap from WKRP in Cincinnati. You could be a DJ or rapper.

          • balletlady

            If they’ll do it WITH YOU…..they’ll do it TO YOU……says Dr. Phil….

            • EmmaDaoust

              He’s just the wisest, wisest man.

    • Mockingbird

      Oh goody. I thought it was best to post nothing about your love life online ever.

      • flyonthewall

        Maybe. Good thing you don’t have to worry about that

        • Mockingbird

          Yep. Don’t want to end up like a Senator that got sentenced for sexting today or an Alabama governor that got impeached after having an affair with online messages or another Alabama politician caught having an affair or…

    • Supper Powers

      Nobody will stalk me online. Why?

      • flyonthewall

        You don’t post enough nudes of yourself. How are they suppose to know who they’re stalking? I’d work on that

      • *devious laugh* that’s what you think?

        (dang, i’m better at this than i realized)

        what? nothing. please disregard and have a lovely day!

        • Supper Powers

          I’m so flattered to be stalked by a duck!

          • Well, they say, “if it stalks like a duck…”.

            • Supper Powers

              *shakes head and laughs a little*

          • abdaman

            I always read his/her name as succulent dick :. A bit creepier to be stalked by that.

      • daisy

        What am I ?

        • Supper Powers

          You can’t even find the apostrophe half the time! πŸ™‚

    • chukicita
    • EmmaDaoust
    • Mick Roberts

      Ok, I’ve got a question that I’ve been pondering in my 11.5 years of marriage…..

      How can I convince my wife that, according to the laws of probability, I must have been right at least one time these past 11.5 years? Or is it just statistically impossible for a guy to ever be right?

      • Betty

        That’s right .See you are right just this once.

      • flyonthewall

        The only time you were right was when you married her. She knows it and deep down, you know it too. Best to come to terms with that

        • Mick Roberts
          • flyonthewall

            Don’t feel bad. It’s the only choice you needed to get right and you knocked it out of the park.

          • balletlady

            TWO WORDS every man must know “YES DEAR”

            • I think the full text is, “Yes dear, you’re right. I’m sorry.”

            • Mick Roberts

              I think we’re all pretty much born knowing those two words. It’s innate. It’s evolution. It’s been passed down genetically. The ones who never learned them did not survive and were eliminated from the gene pool through natural selection.

            • balletlady

              Well dear friend Mick….YOU could also say:
              Honey, I thought I was right…..but I was WRONG!!!

            • SP Wannabe

              “The ones who never learned them did not survive and were eliminated from the gene pool through natural selection”…. or their mothers.

            • Mick Roberts

              Yep…..the ultimate natural selector.

          • balletlady

            Awww…..Yoda is so adorable! A man with logic and common sense….will wonders never cease…(only kidding of course!)

      • The laws of quantum mechanics apply here, not classical probability.

        If you ever were right, it becomes impossible to prove that and, if you try to prove it, it becomes impossible to be right.

      • GrangerFX

        Just tell her “I am always wrong.”
        It’s a paradox if you think about it.

    • Sherbet

      Do you have valid credentials? Oh, never mind. Hubbard never had any credentials, and it didn’t stop him from giving advice on all kinds of things.

      • flyonthewall

        You don’t need credentials when you look this good

        • Sherbet

          True, O bearded one.

    • My question is on ‘points’. Can men actually gain points or is it that they just try to not lose too many points?

      • flyonthewall

        Man points are a myth invented by feminazis in order to control us and keep us dumbed down. This is a very insidious form of self-manslavement and should be discarded and scorned.

      • Spike Robinson
        • I’ll check it out. Thanks Spike.

          • Spike Robinson

            you’re welcome; I specifically knew that it would be something you’d want to see. The study is currently focused more on the effects of abusive relationships, gangs and grooming, but with enough people letting them know about disconnection and shunning… it’s a huge opportunity.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Thanks for the links!

          “Predatory alienation” now there’s a term for coerced/enforced disconnection that I really like!

          $cn IS a predatory alien nation that practices predatory alienation against its parishioners and their families.

          • Spike Robinson

            indeed – that’s why I’m trying to get this as widespread as possible – so that the lawmakers REALLY get an accurate picture!

            So PLEASE share the questionnaire link widely!

      • Marshall

        I’ve seen the way your wife looks at you – I think you’re doing ok in the points department already πŸ™‚

    • Does this mean you will offer advice on any subject, with the lights turned down low, while wearing a sexy little number, or do you have something else in mind?

      I’m good either way. Just fly-curious.

    • Jimmy3

      I tried to call the clinic and she ripped the phone away from me and jumped out the window. I don’t think she knew we were on the first floor, because she dove out like an action hero. Can I borrow your cell?

      • flyonthewall

        The only way to her heart is to fill her with babies. Make her pregnant AF. Then she will be your’s forever and ever

        • Jimmy3

          Rabies. Got it. Thank you, love sensei.

    • flyonthewall

      QUESTION TIME IS OVER! Thank you for participating

      • Buzzer. There should have been a buzzer.

        • Puget Buckeye

          “Buzzer”. Is that another nickname for Fly?

    • Jimmy3

      Follow up question: who the fuck is Craig and where does he live?

    • Jeb Burton

      Every time I have a date, I always ask if she has heard of Scientology? She says she has heard of it, but let them do whatever they want. I then go on to explain for an hour or more about the cult. For some reason, I never get a follow up date. Is it my aftershave?

      • RexAinsfree

        Yes it is, Jeb. Back away from the Axe Body Spray!

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding Joy Villa, I think she is well meaning and probably a nice person but just fooled by Scientology. It happens. I could try to make fun of her fashion or MAGA affiliation or the deep often demonstrated racism associated with both Hubbard and Trump but honestly she probably refuses to believe any evidence of that and not look so…here’s hoping someday she gets out of Scientology, realizes any lies she was fed and goes on with her life.

    • mark

      I think you are right about Joy. I think this applies to almost all people in SCN. I was there once as were many on this site. DM and a few others are deserving of harsh names and criticism, but I try to refrain from name calling until they have proven deserving of it. If they want to call me a wog, sp or anything else, well sticks and stones, but I do not wish to stoop to their level.

      As for Joy’s fashion sense, I love it. So completely over the top. I bet at home she is in jeans and a sweatshirt or something similar.

      • Mockingbird

        Her unorthodox fashion or music are something I honestly don’t care about. She is free to dress or sing however she likes. The only really objectionable thing about her to me is her support of harmful individuals and groups.

        • Marshall

          Exactly! I always say wouldn’t it be boring if we all liked the exact same thing. I can go into a home that is ultra modern (not my style) and still appreciate its beauty. Doesn’t mean I’m going to decorate my house that way.

  • moonnfire

    #1 on Itunes and Amazon…..Is this true? I have never even heard her

    • Observer

      For a brief moment after she wore that dress and beleaguered Trumpits rushed to buy her music to show their gratitude for her completely self-serving “support” of their man. That spike got her to #1 on iTunes for a nanosecond.

      • moonnfire

        Ohhh ok. What kind of music does she sing? Is it stuff she has written or covers of other people’s stuff?

        • MarcabExpat

          YouTube-search her at your ears’ peril.

          • moonnfire

            Lol…. now I am afraid

        • Observer

          I think she writes it. She’s got videos on YouTube if you dare.

        • ombrifuge

          The song I heard sounded like she was trying to copy off Goldfrapp.

  • Spike Robinson

    For those who suffer with Scientology disconnection, there’s important news from New Jersey, and an important opportunity to make your voices heard:
    https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/have-you-been-hurt-by-predatory-alienation-please-answer-this-questionnaire/

  • Key witness testifies in Scientology fraud case in Saint Petersburg, Russia

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-dh_v_CqO3A

  • balletlady

    Will an “upper management Scientologist” be monitoring the calls the Judge is going to be making?

    Judge: You are hereby summoned to appear in Court in regard to matters of the Church.

    Member: Judge, I will gladly appear if you can GET ME SAFELY THE HELL OUT OF COS.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    UGHHHH! CCHR has already turned Chris Cornell into their new anti-psych poster boy. Why do anything decent, like at least waiting for the autopsy’s drug report? “Let’s rush to exploit this tragedy while it’s still fresh!” They are all over social media with this crap. Bastards.
    (refresh)

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    • Liberated

      Those scumbags…there is no low they won’t stoop !

      Give me another reason to hate their guts…they just did.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I picture them licking their lips with dollar signs dancing in their eyes every time they hear that a celebrity has just died and postulating that they will be able to exploit the death somehow. I’d call them vultures but that would be unfair to the birds. SMH

        • Puget Buckeye

          And rubbing their hands in glee. I wonder who they’ll trot out to be an “expert” and call someone glib.

    • JaxNGold

      Disgusting. Those vultures have no shame.

      I was prescribed anti-anxiety meds twice in the last 4 years. Never once did it make me have “paranoid or suicidal thoughts”.

      And one lousy extra dose of Ativan isn’t going to cause someone to commit flippin suicide. I’m sure people have different reactions to meds so this is just my opinion.

      But for the CO$ to exploit his death makes me sick. Bastards.

    • Sherbet

      Didn’t somebody — fly, maybe — post lyrics to a song about suicide that Chris Cornell wrote back in 1994, the assumption being he was thinking about death for a long time?

      I don’t know, and CCHR is already jumping on the speculation bandwagon, so I shouldn’t make guesses either.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I remember an interview last month in Billboard magazine where he said he had been watching genocide documentaries and couldn’t unsee the horror (he wrote a song for that Oscar Isaac film). He broke down and said he was having “daymares” instead of nightmares about it.. He seemed very emotional. Poor guy.

      • Puget Buckeye

        In all honesty, I’m not really surprised that CCHR is all over this. Indeed, their behavior is disgusting, but expected. The church and its front groups seem to be pretty speedy when it comes to taking advantage of a situation to further their cause. (911 first responders, Haiti, etc.) Basically, Scientology = disgusting, exploitive behavior.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          If CCHR was primarily about protecting human rights then they would bring out the report on number of suicides that scientology is complicit in. But no, they are duplicitous.

      • daisy

        The drug he took was a tranquilizer. It could make him slur his words but it is highly unlikely to deepen depression. It was likely used to calm him to carry out an already made plan. Like drinking liquor to help embolden what you are doing. It is highly unlikey it caused him to want to kill himself. It is not an anti-psychotic and that kind of reaction is very rare.

      • chukicita

        CCHR needs to answer for that bastion of mental health, the late Dennis Clarke.

    • chukicita

      This is such crap. Medication can be part of a plan to help people not get killed. Untreated depression can’t.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Here, let Joy Villa’s friend “MASHA” explain depression for you, Grrr…
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        • Sherbet

          A baby sobbing for a week is “normal,” so it’s also “normal” for an adult to do that? Is this person for real? “Depression doesn’t kill” huh?

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          are you saying that all the dozens of scientologist who committed suicide were using meds? maybe it had something to do with the depth of their depression caused by the quagmire scientology pushed them into?

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    If and when this arbitration takes place, it will be the FIRST time ever in the history of $cientology.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE-13u-NfVo&list=LLE5AXz6WwQVTCVFRFoOpa9w&index=1

  • Sejanus

    ‘Charting #1 on iTunes’ my left testicle.
    The only way that is true if it actually reads
    ‘Charting #1 on iTunes for $cientologists name Joy Villa’

    OK so the list of 500.
    The Church knows who they are.
    What is stopping internal communications from happening to heavy Kool-Aidians to gently nudge these people verbally?
    Not like they aren’t all practiced at lying through their teeth.

    ‘no your Honour our attorneys never contacted these potentials’…
    instead the Sea Org did.

    • ” Charting #1 on iTunes my left testicle”.

      Thank God! I’m not the only man with a singing testicle. I thought I was losing it for while, there.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      They don’t have to contact anyone.

      Everyone on the list is actually unindicted co-conspirators in a RICO organization called “The Guardian’s Office”, some of whom went to prison in the late 70’s. Their still actionable crimes of infiltration and fraud are well documented in Scientology’s secret archives, to which Miscavige has the key and thus the leverage.

      Any of these ex-GO gets out of line and rules in favor of the Garcias, all hell will break loose on them.

      Just one of the possible ways Miscavige has gamed the system.

      • chukicita

        ^^^^This.

        My guess is with the 500 burner phones that only go to three different people.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • WhiteCentauress

      Perfect reply….LOL

  • Supper Powers

    I heard Jimmy3 is going to do an AMA tonight, too. Can’t wait.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Is there a limit to the number of questions we can ask? Anything that’s off limits? Does “anything” really mean ANYTHING?

      • Supper Powers

        You’ll have to ask Jimmy3.

        • No,, I don’t think we’re allowed to ask that.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s an AAM
      Ask another man

  • Observer
  • Mick Roberts

    Ya know, I got to thinking about something a little bit ago. Assuming OSA or some other “Scientology spies” read the comments here at the Bunker (and based on their response to one of Dodo’s comments a few months ago, I assume they do), I can’t help but wonder what in the world must be going through their minds as they read some of the random, silly stuff we talk about around here.

    I assume it could range all the way from something like…….”All of these poor degraded souls are destined to remain condemned for all eternity”…..

    ….up to something like “Holy HELL!! LRH never wrote a playbook on how to handle THIS kind of shit!!!”

    I hope that there’s at least a small, compartmentalized part of them that reads this stuff and they think to themselves “Wow, look at all the fun these folks are having. They can come and go as they please. Talk about whatever they wish to talk about. Share personal stories and support each other. And they still can go on ‘libs’ whenever they wish and do whatever they want to do. And I’m stuck here on a Saturday night having to catalogue all of this stuff just so our insecure and paranoid leader can lash out and throw a little conniption fit because someone criticized his overblown ego. Hmm…..maybe it’s not so bad out there after all.”

    If you’re still in this organization and are thinking something like that, well……you’re absolutely right. We do have fun here. We laugh, cry, tease, debate, think, vent, and just act silly at times. And it’s a lot of fun. You’re more than welcome to join us out here. We promise not too bite (too hard), and we promise to be gentle (well, the vast majority of us will anyway, but I’m sure you know which ones of us to stay away from already).

    So come on out here, join us, and start enjoying the only life you have…..a life that belongs to you, and to you alone.

    • What did I miss a few month ago?

      • Mick Roberts

        Didn’t Tony post a story about how you basically told the church to back off one of your elderly neighbors, and they did? I believe the post was something like “Scientology is totally reading your comments” or something like that. It was around the time I first started reading this site, so I assume December or maybe January.

    • Liberated

      You are so right, I’ve said the same thing.

      We have so much fun here and these poor souls read this every day and I’m sure are jealous of the friendship we share. I’ve wondered if down deep inside they sneak in a laugh or two at our witty sarcasm and say to themselves ” wish I could be there too.”

      I’ve offered to help anyone who can get to a phone and make that first call…I’m not a rich person but I can offer a place to feel safe for awhile.
      The first thing I’d say is ” sleep – sleep – sleep…then I’ll fix you something to eat and then sleep some more. Let them take a shower, watch tv, drink some beer and be a normal person…

      I’d do my best to let them know life is good and there’s joy in the smallest mundane things.

      • Mick Roberts

        “I’ve wondered if down deep inside they sneak in a laugh or two at our
        witty sarcasm and say to themselves ” wish I could be there too.”

        I’ve often wondered that myself. I’m sure it’s happened on more than one occasion. Who can read some fly-J3 banter and not chuckle? They’re still, at their core, only human after all.

        • Liberated

          Yep…oh that Jimmy3….what are we gonna do with him ?

          • Mick Roberts

            He’s one of the “non-gentle” people I warned our OSA lurkers about. πŸ˜‰

            • Supper Powers

              He is considerate and sweet, though.

      • Supper Powers

        It’s been said (by Aaron or Headley maybe) that Sea Org members have incredible work ethic. That’s one reason WISE businesses like hiring them when they route out. They will work their fingers to the bone all day for peanuts. If I was helping someone escape, I would want to help them find work or projects for the first month that could help them focus and not get twitchy. I can imagine going from a screaming pace 18 hours a day to nothing would be a shock for the mind and body.

  • Ha ha… A Conservative (something) is promoting Going Clear and JAW is having a Temper Tantrum
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/156590892ebf05bed5595841e46a6933a1739e82d07258c95ce5781d800facbc.jpg

      • Sherbet

        Yeah, I still haven’t forgiven him for that. For a genius, he’s a doofus.

        • Did not read in to it all that much, just the part where religion is a religion after some 1000 years and else it’s a cult.

          • Sherbet

            He’s doing that “all religions are nuts” thing.

    • Supper Powers

      I don’t know that I’ll have much empathy for JAW once he finally blows. He just seems like a hateful person anyway.

      • EmmaDaoust

        I read that as once he finally blows, as in blows all his gaskets.

        • WhiteCentauress

          Yep, either or both will be interesting to watch. Bring on the “Entheta”….LOL Got it right this time. (NOT “Enthera”)

          • EmmaDaoust

            Now, why did Enthera make me think of Endora on Bewitched..

            • WhiteCentauress

              Because none of those are words and they all start with “En”. My spell checker has a fit when I type in a Scientology-only term.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Why’dja have to go and be all logical and ruin my fun? I mean, just who do you think you are, anyway?

            • WhiteCentauress

              LOL….I’m WAY too serious about Scientology sometimes. Thinking of changing my name back to White Centauress, because being called “Who” is too funny.

            • Sherbet

              Which I always misread as “White Christmas.”

            • EmmaDaoust

              I have a severe case of can’t walk by an opening to make a silly pun-itis.

            • WhiteCentauress

              Carry on…I adore a good pun.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Who said anything about good? Oh, you did…

      • He will never blow, but he might become a PR flap and get Ex-communicated or what ever they call it. Sidetracked?

        • WhiteCentauress

          May the “Tommy Davis Thing” happen to JAW and Gemma. Ramen!!

          • JAW is different i think.. JAW is scamming the org for service and stuff. He don’t care if LRH was a Con man or if everybody around him is lying. Tommy had his pride and got hurt.

            • WhiteCentauress

              Yes, I think Tommy was a true believer, or he wouldn’t have said, “If his war record is false, then Scientology is based on a lie.” He believed it. JAW is pond scum.

            • Sherbet

              I think those are words that Tommy wanted back in his mouth a nanosecond after they slipped out.

        • Supper Powers

          You think so? I’ve always imagined him not getting his own ego needs met and saying fuck it.

          • Sherbet

            Depends on how else he might earn a living.

            • Supper Powers

              Does he ever make his presence known in the Bunker? I sure would like to see him once in a while.

          • iampissed

            Sorry wrong post see above…my bad

    • Sherbet

      If the scientology “truth” were really “truth,” it would be available everywhere, not just in scientology-sanctioned publications and websites. Jackass.

      • Supper Powers

        Or have price tags on them.

        • Sherbet

          Or NOT have price tags?

          • Supper Powers

            Yeah. I’ve been sloppy writing all day. Sorry.

            • Sherbet

              No problem-o. I’m half asleep and amazed I caught it.

    • Liberated

      What..? How can a man of science be so stupid ?

      I think he needs to do more research.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Really disappointing.

    • JaxNGold

      Please, JAW, give it a rest. The tired, old “bigot” nonsense has been used and abused up already. Time to open your damn eyes!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I dare!

      • Vaquera

        Why are you awake, dearie?!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          My fortnightly gaming night with Mikie was postponed from last night. He’s only just left! I am using matchsticks to prop open my eyes.

  • WhiteCentauress

    Deleted at Tony’s request.

    • iampissed

      Don’t feel bad, I don’t get terms and concepts after 3 year….and I’m thankful.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Oh, you’re right, I guess that’s a good thing, in a way. But if I’m going to be making effective Scio-shoops, I need to get it right. I remember some quote about Meat Bodies or Meat Sack…both are revolting ways to refer to a human. JAW, raw meat, revolting words…..go together.

    • Supper Powers

      “My meat sack brings all the boys to the yard.” -New Slant on Life.

    • OOkpik

      Scientologists call visitors “Bodies in the Shop”.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Thank you, That’s the phrase I couldn’t think of. Appreciate the help.

        • It’s a statistic (stat) in short – BIS. All scios know this one as a Major or vital Stat

    • “Scientology wanted me to get more ‘bodies in the shop’. They didn’t say they had to be in one piece.”

      • WhiteCentauress

        That’s sick, but goes well with the disturbing JAW and the raw meat. Could I quote you? I’ll understand if you don’t want to be quoted, but that says so much!!! Thanks for helping.

        • A bit morbid, I agree. It just seemed to go with the picture. It’s on the internet so free to use.

          • WhiteCentauress

            Thank you.

      • and now it’s more like “Bobbies in the Soup”

  • BEETEE

    nevermind

  • Liberated

    O/T…..I’m watching “The Wizard of Lies ” on hbo….the story of Bernie Madoff, wow he’s one swell guy.

    • EmmaDaoust

      And he’s got the perfect name for it.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Oh….good one. Drive-by pun!!!

    • PeaceMaker

      Not entirely off-topic. A lot of the cons and constructs of a Ponzi scheme – a sort of interest that I also follow – are the same as or similar to what is at work in Scientology. Tells us what you recognize.

      I will mention that Madoff, like Hubbard, is a case where it’s not clear to what extent he really had perspective on what he was doing, and how much he got caught up in his own machinations. With some operators of smaller and shorter-lived Ponzi schemes, it’s clear they are gamblers who really believed (or convinced themselves) that they were going to hit it big on some long shot, and be able to pay everyone back.

      • Liberated

        Yes, I see many similarities between Madoff and Hubbard, I consider them both sociopathic personalities.

        They both displayed contempt for their victims, in the Madoff show once he was caught he said “they were just rich people that believed I was going to make them richer.”
        Implying it’s their fault for believing in me in the first place.

        L Ron had contempt for his followers too, which he admitted in an interview in 1967 aboard the Apollo…he just loved “intelligent people” believing him and joining him in his adventures.
        This is from Steve Cannane’s book “Fair Game”

        But, don’t for one minute think either of these “criminals” had the slightest intention of paying back the people they hurt. They both knew exactly what they were doing and enjoyed the pain they caused.

        • PeaceMaker

          It would be interesting to do a comparison of the two, though for right now I think that just a couple of quick notes are in order.

          As best I can tell, Madoff started off like many others with an investments that actually made money at first. But when luck (which, for a sophisticated investment manager, is sometimes having a strategy that does work for a while in a certain market, but which then fails when conditions change) turned against him, after perhaps going through a typical stage of denial in which he believed that he could somehow recover things, he then just knowingly continued running the scheme for an extended period, and even expanding it.

          Hubbard seems to have actually planned to manipulate and exploit people from the start, though under a complex sort of utilitarian (end-justifies-the-means, stronger-over-the weaker) justification. His is such a complex case that it’s hard to tell if he really did become more benevolent for a while and then turn cynical again as circumstances changed, or just successfully hid his worse nature at times.

          Both men seemed to have had a hard-to-comprehend juxtaposition of almost inordinate energy for trying to burnish their credentials as humanitarians, and cunning calculation for running brutally exploitative schemes that did enormous damage to people.

  • Supper Powers

    Someone assesses Hubs’ facial expressions in an interview he gave. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0jU1QQk21hM

    • PeaceMaker

      Thanks for that. It’s interesting to see someone with some expertise break down the obviously strange expressions and reactions in this old video, which I think strike even untrained observers as smarmy and disingenuous (and I think I recall accounts, that it was even unsettling to scientologists who saw it at the time). At multiple points she identifies a “cluster of deception mannerisms,” refers several times to what I understood as “duping delight” as well as “deception,” and on top of it “contempt” and “disgust” apparently for the interviewer.

      She also points out times when his blinking indicates either deception or nervousness – it’s indeed reminiscent of his present-day representative “Blinky” Yingling.

      • Liberated

        Something I had never noticed before…LRon had the “Dick Cheney” side-lip sneer.

  • aurora50

    Even considering the source, I think this is the first time I have seen this direct a statement about the similarities between Trump and LRH in semi-MSM:

    ‘Trump has also masterfully cultivated the resilience of his cult by
    training them to be both prepped for the coming media onslaught against
    him, and to disregard anything which sounds bad as simply being β€œfake
    news” (even when his own people don’t even bother to deny the story!).
    Here he has taken a page right about of the Scientology playbook (there
    are a lot of similarities between Trump and Scientology founder L. Ron
    Hubbard) which prevents their followers from getting outside news about
    them and prepares them that negative publicity is just another sign that
    nefarious forces are trying to destroy them because of all the good
    that they are doing.’
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/trumps-cult-was-designed-to-withstand-this-current-media-onslaught-and-thats-whats-happening/

  • Anyone else has an unusually hard time with Disqus today from your mobile devices?
    It’s really laggy and crashy today. Okay from computer, where I am typing this from now.

    • Supper Powers

      Yep.

    • Mick Roberts

      I have problems on my iPhone often with Disqus crashing when I try to type a comment. Never figured out how to resolve it.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Discus hates Apple.

  • More Trump-Cult-Scientology comparison http://www.gq.com/story/the-cult-of-trump

    • WhiteCentauress

      It’s just really great that so many people are becoming aware of Scientology evils now, and nobody seems intimidated. Very good thing.

      • It is becoming a Meme. Like comparing everything to Scientology. “Paying taxes is better than Scientology” etc

        • Puget Buckeye

          But that’s a good thing, right? People are learning more and more without having to experience the evil first hand. The more you know…….

          • yeah it’s a very good thing. It’s becoming the Joke of the moment

            • Puget Buckeye

              Somehow it’s poetic. An evil cult that destroys lives, becomes more well known and is a punch line in a joke. And the public didn’t even have to buy a book or take a personality test! The avalanche is gaining speed.

            • Ha ha.. You have read my mind. For a long time i saw this coming, i think it started with a Stand-up comics who made their brands into a joke and i kept collecting those Ideas to create a punch line out their self-made insanity as i was hoping this could pick up. Not taking any credit though, but the trend seems to keep going!

        • Liberated

          Ha…you said Meme.

          • Ohh!… my Bunkernaut is connecting Dot’s πŸ™‚

  • Watching and listening this right now..
    How is your evening?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBNeygMW_LM

    • MarcabExpat

      That Voice.

    • WhiteCentauress

      Peaceful and beautiful, Dodo. Thanks.

      • My pleasure. Glad someone appreciates this treasure.

        • WhiteCentauress

          I’m going to show my ninteen-year-old grandson this group. He loves this kind of music, believe it or not. The music and the beautiful scenery go so well together.

  • WhiteCentauress
    • Wolf.

      • WhiteCentauress

        He does look feral. I think that’s part of the creepiness. The only time I see a genuine smile from him is when he’s about to pull the rope on the balloons at a grand opening. Of course, I haven’t seen him inflicting pain…..

  • WhiteCentauress

    Trump cartoon deleted.

  • Supper Powers

    Jimmy3 will not be conducting an AMA this evening. He will be refunding your money soon. Apologies for any inconvenience you may have experienced as a result of his decision.

    • Puget Buckeye

      And we don’t need to go through any arbitration bull shit? Cool.

      • Supper Powers

        If you didn’t sign the paperwork, you’re good.

        • Puget Buckeye

          Well, I did. But I didn’t use my real name.

  • Supper Powers

    Filling in for Jimmy3 this evening will be Daisy. Oh, wait, nope. Not her either. She just flipped me the bird and took a swig of whiskey right from the bottle. Sorry folks.

  • Robert Ramsay

    I really don’t think this case is about getting a refund.This is about setting things right.

  • Might be a repost – it’s long and i don’t know if this format (Twitter/Disqus) works as intended
    https://twitter.com/ilovespeedracer/status/863451844554575872

    • Guess you have to click on the image over the tweet

    • Puget Buckeye

      That’s just sinful. Out and out sinful.

    • Mick Roberts

      I would recommend everyone here read all of her tweets in this story. Complete madness.

    • WhiteCentauress

      One of the saddest stories….ever out of so many sad ones.

    • Snippy_X

      Lt. Allen Buchanan, Lord of the Flies.

  • Mrs. B ( noseinabk)

    I was traversing some best threads on reddit and found this https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/wp3w5/which_famous_person_needs_to_come_out_already/

    I don’t understand why people want to think he is gay. I always thought of him as asexual since he has no sex appeal and all his efforts to pretend interest lead me to believe he play acts at being intimate becouse he thinks that is what is is normal.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    The Guardian posted a sickly sweet review of Elisabeth Moss in Handmaid’s Tale a few hours ago and the commenting community is having none of it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/may/20/elisabeth-moss-handmaids-tale-mad-men-observer-profile

    • Liberated

      Puke..

    • Bob

      Thanks for the link. It shows that the perception of Scientology as the toxic cult it is, is getting much more widespread. I despise how people in the arts are exploited by Blubbards quasi truths.
      Of course Joy Villa is not in the arts. She does have the art of bulls–tting down.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “Jesus was a player” – Grant “Human Cringe” Cardone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oygfx7mcRzo

    • Liberated

      I just puked again.

  • Supper Powers
  • Did something happen to http://www.forum.exscn.net/ looks different

  • Bert Allen

    Page 2 of the Order says, “Defendants “decline” to move for the court to appoint all three arbitrators. This position is contrary to their previous position, as well as legally and factually incorrect.”

    Litigation attorneys have a saying, “If the law is in your favor argue the law. If the facts are in your favor argue the facts. If neither are in your favor spread as much bull shit as possible.”

    The judge just told the COS attorneys that their BS stinks and he isn’t buying it anymore. Trust me. The COS attorneys are now praying the Judge finds 3 willing and able members to serve as arbitrators, because they know that they will not be successful with any more arguments that even faintly smell of BS.

    • PJK

      Are they not just going to avoid the whole debacle by reaching an out of court settlement with the Garcias? That seems to be the normal way they deal with situations where they can’t win a trial, so news about a settlement with the Garcias in a couple of days?

      • Bert Allen

        Certainly possible, but I don’t think the COS will consider settlement until the judge rules the arbitration system has failed. Until then the COS will believe that it holds the upper hand.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          ‘ we of the church believe in L Ron Hubbard who said someday orgs will say what is law’

          in scientology all time is present time

  • Gerard Plourde

    A classic example of excellent legal reasoning. Scientology, like its founder, Hubbard, likes to think that its untrained OSA staff can use contracts it drafts and quasi-legal procedures to further its nefarious ends. When put to the test, its work only exposes the church’s unclean hands.

  • Bert Allen

    Joy Villa #1 on itunes. I don’t use the service, so could someone check this claim for me? I don’t believe it.

  • John Prince

    Judge Witty’s “compliance” with cob’s arrogance is indeed amusing πŸ˜…πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜‚. .is He setting them up for the Big Fall? Is He paving the Way for Future Fraud cases against the Clampire ? Documenting that scio-arbitration doesn”t exsist? The Plot Thickens ☒
    on a darker Note; I know it’s unethical and not real ..nice and everything but, please tell me i’m not the only SuperWog who fantasizes about bashing joy villain’s teeth in with a pipe-wrench 🌹

    • Robert Eckert

      We really do try to avoid suggestions of violence here. The enemy does watch and has used that kind of thing before.

      • John Prince

        Woops. .did I fantasize that out loud? πŸ˜”

      • John Prince

        Alas, I do go overboard, at times. It’s just that. . she’s such a Fake piece of shit, had no buisness being NEAR the Grammies and for her to be able to milk her little stunt as long as she did should be a sad commentary about the U.S. “fake-news”media..I’m pleased to see her star plummeting as fast as it rose, but no. .I do not advocate violent behaviour ☝

    • Bob

      II agree with you and Robert. I think it is far more effective to avoid the violent attack approach. Although joy elicIts similar feelings in me. It gives the cult the fodder they want to dismiss those who see the cult for what it is. Snark and humor are much more effective IMO.

    • Ann B Watson

      πŸ˜˜πŸ˜‡

      • Ann B Watson

        I try to be a lover not a fighter but sometimes some people make me Roar!😍😻

    • balletlady

      Wouldn’t we love to hear the Judge say right to the COB DM’s face:

      I don’t care WHO you THINK you are….give me those Fu**ing phone numbers you Asshole”….

      • John Prince

        We think alike, balletlady, only I’d like to hear Judge Whittemore say”Garcias win,Pay back their money, and the door is wide open for Fraud Lawsuits against co$”

        • balletlady

          Sorry to put things so bluntly….as a “never in” I did not endure all the horrific treatment many did as members of “the organization”. I can’t imagine having to accept a beating at the hands of DM or anyone else, forced abortions according to what’s been stated, and being chased down like a wild animal once you try to escape.
          I would love to see TRUE justice prevail, that everyone gets “a piece of the pie” & that things are set into motion to shut down ALL cults that harm people.

          I just watched a rerun on Dr Phil about a cult called “The Children Of God” (now renamed “The Family”)…..worse then COS it seems….rape of children etc…..HOW do these “churches” get AWAY with it…….FLDS STILL exists in Arizona & Utah, etc…..yes Warren Jeffs is in prison, but he STILL controls things from his prison cell. He should be allowed NO CONTACT with anyone outside the prison he is in.

  • This is great. Where is my popcorn? I can only imagine Miscavige sh*tting bricks over this, along with all his subservient robots in OSA and Senior HCO. Oh and how the hell did they come up with 500 Scientologists in good standing in LA? That place is like a ghost town.