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Elisabeth Moss in this week’s ‘Handmaid’ sure sounded like FBI testimony about Scientology

 
Numerous outlets have raised questions about actress Elisabeth Moss, a born-in Scientologist, playing the character Offred in the Hulu television series adaptation of Margaret Atwood’s 1985 novel The Handmaid’s Tale, which portrays an oppressive near-future dystopia.

“Itโ€™s ironic, isnโ€™t it?” cult expert Rick Ross told Newsweek recently, “that The Handmaidโ€™s Tale is often portrayed as a cult-like regime requiring endless devotion and control as a society, and yet Elisabeth Moss, a devoted Scientologist, is the star.”

We thought that assessment and several others (Anna Merlan’s was the first that we saw) raised the issue sufficiently, and we weren’t going to weigh in. But then, this week, in the sixth episode of the series, Moss’s character Offred gave such an ironic speech about the oppression she was living under, we couldn’t let it pass without comment.

In the scene, Offred decides to open up to the Mexican ambassador, a woman named Castillo, who had thanked Offred for her “candor” about what a pleasant life she was leading. With a moment away from her oppressors, Offred seizes the opportunity to tell Ms. Castillo what’s really going on — she’s a prisoner subject to physical abuse.

And immediately, when we saw that, we couldn’t help thinking of how much her description evoked what Scientology puts its “Sea Org” workers through.

In 2009 and 2010, the FBI investigated Scientology for human trafficking based on the way it treats its workers at its Sea Org bases, where members sign billion-year contracts and work 112-hour weeks for pennies an hour. Recently, a 285-page file detailing that investigation was obtained by Melissa Cronin at RadarOnline, and she’s shared it with us. Poring through it, you can see how seriously the FBI took the allegations by former Sea Org members who had managed to escape the church’s bases in California and Florida.

To show you what we mean, we’ve pulled out some excerpts from the investigation and juxtaposed them with Offred’s emotional testimony to the Mexican ambassador.

And keep in mind, although Scientology celebrities do get pampered, we’ve demonstrated repeatedly that they are generally aware of the conditions in the Sea Org — could Moss really have delivered these lines without thinking of what her own church is accused of?

 

 
Scientology is a confessing culture. Its members are so convinced that the “E-meter” — a simple skin-galvanism device — can read their minds, they believe that it is impossible to keep secrets from the church, as the FBI learned…

 

 

 
Offred admits that the seemingly peaceful place the Mexican ambassador sees actually hides a place of inhuman treatment. The FBI file is filled with various forms of mental and physical torture, and one of them is the way husbands and wives are often pitted against each other…

 

 

 
The ambassador (played by Zabryna Guevara) is taken aback, but Offred is only warming up, saying that she and the other handmaids are being held against their will. One of the things the FBI asked its informants the most was the concept that they were unable to leave the Sea Org bases freely. Well, you get the idea…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Like we said, it was a pretty remarkable performance, and it sure did feel familiar. Hey, Elisabeth, how did you prepare for the role, anyway? Been reading here at the Bunker?

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,755 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,858 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,352 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,392 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,104 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 630 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,719 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,859 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,179 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,154 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 510 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,812 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 919 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,321 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,194 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 775 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,280 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,524 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,633 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 19, 2017 at 07:00

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  • iampissed

    First
    ETA: your not going to see that again!

  • iampissed

    GOOD MORNING…..BUNKER!

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Good post. Thanks. No quick quips or attempt at wisdom from me today. It is actually quite an upsetting read at 7:10 in the morning. I am going to go outside and continue rebuilding my back porch as I have been doing for the past three weeks. I am thankful that I have had a good night’s sleep and that I will probably have all my fingers when the porch is finished.

    EDIT: It’s 8:11 pm now. Ten, I counted them. Same as the number I started with.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Missing Missions Mission Continues
    Post #41 about Missions in the current series:

    We interrupt our continuing series on US Missions ( or the absence thereof)
    to bring a short report on the perilous state of the patient in the UK (Dublin is
    counted as UK – Co$ geography)
    Missions ONLY:

    This from Chris Owen almost 20 years ago suggested it was already more than a head cold:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14585b875d7a68edbb52bf4f373ab45476be009ab889ad8dd0e256233e26a8ba.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b7a58b4447f3dc0780f04a4e8f4f98662a3c67ad37a7f7fce8bc3846ce2f991d.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b39de93a053e8b321befdf8bca7c7cdb44f6ac12111ee5474871a2298476950.jpg
    The 2001 census wasn’t flattering either:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad9a335f2cc896b2e48c9120be3191465b8715035a391cb55c68e01fcbeb665a.jpg
    And it has shrunk since then.

    A quick alphabetical review:

    Mission of Belfast – closed
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/24408983feff108f60ef0b73fce62862f2af882e86ea40ae2cb1d3712afd42e4.jpg
    But but:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4abf330cadf1f60f3ad2596b81be783c03ebfa39983c91b8cb57b4a81d88c629.jpg
    This was merely eleven years after the Good Friday Agreement that lead to
    the dissolution of most of the hostility between Protestants and Catholics.
    Weapons had been long decommisioned.
    But it was TWTH – 20,000 pamphlets full of poorly written platitudes, that’s
    what really DID IT.
    Acceptable truth for a man without an acceptable tooth.
    The knowledge of history and the relationship with facts is Trumpian.
    Hmmm:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31b41697145a3e9c126d584b66293ba532bbe56680ae7d3d4785d3fe5316f1cc.jpg
    Mission of Birmingham -> now an Org, struggling to be Ideal, with a tiny field.
    Mission of Brightlingsea – closed
    Mission of Bristol – closed
    Mission of Chichester – closed
    Mission of Dublin – open, barely:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/028aa0f9fc9ca8275a93c15b89dea7620f4053f9307da8ba4278ba74a8f0a883.jpg
    The newspaper of reference was not kind:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/scientology-in-ireland-a-spy-network-setting-honey-traps-1.2827288

    Sales in 2014 Birthday game (over 4 weeks):
    Viktor: $66
    John: 2 books
    Mariette: 2 books
    Massimo Pisena: 1 book
    Well, that IS thriving.

    Mission of Helensburgh – closed
    Mission of Hove -> hiding down a lane in Brighton as Mission of Brighton,
    open barely, zero sales/points in Birthday game:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c428f3c6e58e93fd66cee4ff1c25b6bd1f458746d7a1b2b3eb008ce276747ee0.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6c39527cfdc1bfc4a820c8e175b6f1a330d07af62782fb83b037817902af6a8.jpg

    Mission of Leeds – closed:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e8e004edf07f2ba268b9105995aa9b0c332d56d53eca17b20a9169e187fd7cd.jpg

    Mission of Southampton – closed in the 90’s, then reopened.
    Failed again so it then morphed to join the existing Mission of Bournemouth,
    over 30 miles away
    now Mission of Poole, open:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc347a4e6a9c752b8675fa690d070b60120bc8b52de6aef20cd869d314dfe9a3.jpg
    Sales in 4 weeks in 2014 Birthday game :
    Debbie: $498
    Mel: 10 books for $271
    Heth: 5 books for $235
    Julie: 6 books for $174
    Total: $ 1,078

    DM’s cut: $107.80
    Phew, that’s a lot.

    The entire UK Mission network (Dublin plus Poole – Bournemouth that was)
    sent $113.80 [ETA to correct my #s] uplines to a man who wears $1000 shoes
    and drinks $1000 Scotch.
    Plus his cut on 5 books from Dublin we don’t have $$ on.
    I’ll bet he was excited.

    Here, Dave, have a Camel:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9156cec152bf150e54ea2292fdd9b026ee338801be67e04a2e8a4a64838f532e.jpg

    Mission of Swansea – closed
    Mission of Tunbridge Wells – closed, after opening in 2005
    Mission of York – dissolved in ’95,
    then a new one opened in 2008:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b929e4a28ccde77682b10a070dc6dcad42ca7cd6c46f06aef25ee273f5f812b.jpg

    Three staff AND the Jive Aces, then, oops – closed ๐Ÿ™‚
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9da0b6674f467f5b56bb52d8c828c7ba0aaa46aae7576ea80fe610308f02ea59.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8aa70303faae698c5a8f47d10217982c7c05444ba79f0e56a5d8f14463717e29.jpg

    TY, Gemma, for your obtuseness and thank you, madame duran,
    for your interest in acquainting Gemma with the truth.
    TY Peacemaker for the encouragement.

    Gemma, you are absolutely correct – the Missions are fine.
    JAW can tell you about all those that died prior to your joining Co$
    Nine closed out of 13, two twice:)
    Four remain.
    One is not even in the UK.
    Only 1 is genuinely “active”
    OK. Brum (population 1.1 million) has become an Org, still far from Ideal.
    That’s a win – straight up and vertigo!

    York, Mark II
    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/20440/church-of-scientology-2
    http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/1994162.celeb_church_opens_in_york/
    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/york-dianetics-in-trouble.54104/

    We will return to our regular programming tomorrow with another tale of US Mission woe.

    Tick Tock

    • iampissed

      You are doing such a wonderful job on this. I may have found a covert CC here in the heart of our nation. I’ll take pictures later and post.

    • iampissed

      “DM’s cut: $107.80” well it buys him another bottle of the good stuff….he’s going to need it.

      • PickAnotherID

        If the revenues fall that low everywhere, he may have to make do with some Ripple.

        • iampissed

          I would think that Mad Dog would be more fitting.

          • PickAnotherID

            Or Sterno.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      This is brilliant!

    • Graham

      Don’t forget Plymouth. Once_Born’s our local man there. I believe they have about 30 old timers operating out of a shop off the main retail area, plus- like an albatross around their necks- a mouldering former Royal Navy club and hotel in the wrong part of town, which the deluded fools imagine may someday be transformed into a state-of-the-art Org. A couple of pics thereof from last year when O_B gave me and Mrs G a guided tour. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00aed09512b783d8200dd0dbf69228c805dd19ea1d96085c8aac55fdf06c4720.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a913e4be2cbe63d57867bf4b4f39d7d99bbdd6283cfaf48796dc4eae70b2477d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa3837261690b64cc9491fdba771cfcd25ca81bb549fbd61bd117994e203898b.jpg

      • iampissed

        Needs a little work.

      • PickAnotherID

        I really hate seeing historical old building left to fall apart like that. Especially when a bunch like $cientology comes in making big promises about “renovations” and then does nothing.

        • Then you will not be happy to learn that they stripped out the original fittings and even the floorboards to raise money at car boot sales.

          A lot of the things that made this place of local historical interest have been sold off for peanuts to keep the present, more modest, org open. It’s like selling ancient artefacts you have dug up without letting archaeologists see them in context – irreplaceable knowledge of the past is lost.

          They also tried to weasel out of local property tax because the place was uninhabitable and ‘under renovation’,. The conveniently overlooked the facts that (a) they had deliberately made it that way (b) the renovations have been promised for 10 years and absolutely nothing has happened.

          The tiled roof of the original building and the flat roofs of the cheap extensions around the back

          The tiled roof of the old structure and the flat roofs of the later extensions, around the back leak badly. Water runs down the walls inside, when it rains, leaching out minerals and weakening the structure. The flat roofs are in such a terrible state (see Graham’s pictures) that the ceilings must have already fallen in.

          They used to have a rotting yellow van around the back, but that appears to have dumped – probably because the shock absorbers (dampers) had come through the wheel arches.

          Despite all this, after 7 years of inaction, the org is still raising money from impecunious members and presenting them with ‘plans’ which make the proposed ‘renovation’ look like something done up for a Nazi rally. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/plymouth-ideal-org-fantasies-and-lies/

          See also https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/plymouth-uk-ideal-org-a-reality-check-in-bricks-and-mortar/ / https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/scientology-spokesperson-puts-back-the-opening-of-plymouth-ideal-org-yet-again/ / https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/plymouth-ideal-org-revisited/

          • PickAnotherID

            I really hate hearing all that, especially the roof condition. What water does to the inside of an old building like that doesn’t bear thinking about. Isn’t there any way to boot them out of there??

            • They own it (or at least head office does). They allegedly paid a million quid for it (although this might be exaggerated, and commercial property prices are no a matter of public record).

              At some point the rot will become obvious the local council has the power to order repairs and, if they are not undertaken in a timely manner, send in their own contractors and charge for CofS for the work.

              The Council have sweeping legal powers to recover such debts, so the threat of this kind of action is the only way the CofS could be dislodged – they would sell the place on for a song to avoid it.

              Sadly, as a historical site, it no longer exists. The way things are going, it won’t exist as a structure, soon. There has been a lot of cheap housing built in the area lately, so the only hope for its limited preservation is as a faรงade for modern flats.

      • Rasha

        In the second picture, it looks like Scientology already ‘renovated’ the property next door to the Royal Fleet Club…

        • Graham

          That’s a major Royal Navy nuclear installation. At one point every household within a certain distance of it was issued with instructions on what to do in the event of a nuclear accident.

          It’s the Navy’s barbed wire, decorated with decades worth of airborne plastic bag remnants. Very classy.

          • Every Monday, the nuclear accident sirens are tested, and every home in the area has been given iodine tablets in case of a leak.

            Scientologists, of course, will turn their noses up at those (which prevent radioactive iodine being accumulated in your thyroid) and presumably rely on the ‘purif’.

            PS: it’s razor wire, too – which makes barbed look positively friendly.

        • Er.. that’s the Royal Dockyard, and that huge building in the distance houses decommissioned nuclear submarines.

          The dockyard wall runs directly behind the ‘org’ leaving a narrow lane for access to the rear and it topped by more razor wire.

          The Fleet Club place was originally a Royal Navy funded attempt to give sailors and Royal Marines between ships a decent bed for the night. Also, to keep personnel away from the depravity available just down the road, and engaged in ‘improving’ pursuits.

          It bombed as a hotel because it was in completely the wrong place, and it would bomb as an org for the same reason, if it was ever opened.

          • Rasha

            Rasha just bein’ silly. ^_^

            • I was once silly enough to think about inspecting the roof of Fleet Club with a drone – and then realised this would probably end with me sitting in a windowless room trying to explain what I had been doing to some very spooky people indeed.

            • PeaceMaker

              If you still want to, and are willing to invest a bit of time in advance work, I’d suggest asking to speak to a base security officer, and tell them that you want to document Scientology letting the old Royal Fleet Club fall into ruin, and just fly over property on that side of the street. People, even bureaucrats and government workers, generally want to be helpful and are usually sympathetic to a good cause. Even the hard cases may tacitly admit that there’s nothing they can do if that’s all you’re up to, and avoid violating their turf – which puts them on notice of your intentions, and allows them to set the ground rules. I’ve pulled off all sorts of things, by taking that approach of establishing ARC first ๐Ÿ™‚

              p.s. Just sitting down to a nice mug of Scottish Breakfast Tea – cheers!

            • A place with decommissioned nuclear reactors and a jetty for arming warships with nuclear weapons is, I’m afraid, more bureaucratic and sensitive than that.

              If a gust of wind took a drone over the wall (which is feet away from the back of the building, there would be a serious response (consumer drones are an no being used as improvised weapons of way, carrying explosives).

              I’m pretty sure the answer would be “no” and questions would follow. It’s just not worth taking the chance.

              PS I sometimes live on tea…

              PPS Marxists only drink herbal teas, because Marx said proper tea is theft.

            • richelieu jr

              You know, drones are so tirdier than you might think. And they don’t have your address on them unless you want them too.

              Just saying.

              PS: Gold Scilons- When Shifty McSlappy is finally ridden out of’Hemet on a rail, I expect my hopping drone back in working order.

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            Speaking of Navies does anyone know of a Lynda Sproule mentioned in the Panama Papers. I think she is a signatory on SOR papers.

      • Juicer77

        I want in on these tours!! ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Well, I can only show you the outside – but if you’re even in the area contact me ๐Ÿ™‚

      • April

        Is…is that Newiga on the top of the building in that first pic?!?

    • madame duran

      “Acceptable truth for a man without an acceptable tooth.”

      *snort*

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Great minds. (Except yours was faster and greater!)

    • OOkpik

      it would be great to have this research you have painstakingly amassed and presented all in one place and easily accessible for future reference and updating as Scientology goes the way of the dodo.

      Thank you, Pan. This is a fascinating series.

      • iampissed

        Scientology is going to Dodo….poor man.
        ETA: Agreed

        • OOkpik

          I saw that coming! LOL

          P.S. Whatever you had for breakfast, I could use some of that too. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • iampissed

            Coffee so far 3 cups.

          • daisy

            I believe that would be piss and vinegar.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Utterly fascinating. Many nuggets cropping through like the Chris Owens remark about liens on US orgs. I wonder where that list is or was.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “Acceptable truth for a man without an acceptable tooth.”

      Hur hur ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        That was my favorite line out of ALL Pans posts thus far! Brilliant!

    • salin

      Misreadings are often funny. I read the exterior signage above the Dianetics window sign in Belfast at first as “Toilet” (instead of ToLet) – from your report many missions have indeed been flushed! Once again, Pan – Bravo!

    • AntoniaW

      Love this – very reassuring for us UK denizens.

    • ExCult.Jan

      1.5 star review for the York mission. In hindsight, perhaps overly generous.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Prognosis:
      Prone
      under stress
      Arrhythmia
      Cardiac arrest: unlikely this month, due to life support from the placenta of infraorder Cetacea?
      THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Pan – everyday I look forward to these posts, the add’l links and your wit! I’ve said thanks before but want now to keep saying it because you have clearly invested much of your time and energy to produce these for us all! So thanks and you rock, my friend!

    • These reports are incredible. They really give us an amazing insight into the state of Scientology today.

    • aquaclara

      Wait, there’s a National Leprechaun Museum?
      That sounds like fun….
      PS Thank you for these stories. They are fabulous.

    • PeaceMaker

      Pan, I guess that for once I can start out by saying, you’re welcome ๐Ÿ™‚

      Scientology.org only lists the Church of Scientology of Brighton – no mission (though sometimes their listings, are outdated or faulty). Apparently both a Brighton mission and the one in nearby Hove were folded into the Brighton org, which seems to happen a fair bit these days, I’m guessing because it allows someone to avoid responsibility (and punishment) for the final, formal closure of the mission. If I recall, there have been a number of cases in which an org was founded in a city where there was a mission, rather than the mission being converted, presumably under the theory that there would be room for both; needless to say, the mission would eventually be overwhelmed and assimilated by the (b)org (I think I also remember hearing unhappy stories of successful mission franchises wrested away and turned into orgs – perhaps someone with clearer recollections can fill us in on the sorts of things that happened).

      Looking a bit further, I also found references to missions in Croydon and Glasgow, and possibly other cities, though also indications that some of these were just run out of someone’s flat. I think that in the confines of the UK, it may be easier for someone who has a mission starter package stored at home, to go into the city center (centre in the regional spelling of the North Atlantic island territories) and try a bit of dissemination, such as on market day.

      Essentially, though, it’s fair to say that the Scientology missions network in the UK is virtually decimated, down from locations in about a dozen cities to just one.

      • Plymouth is listed as a ‘church’ and I know that the 30-odd long-time members struggle to pay the rent and the actual practice of Scientology has ground to a halt.

        You can confirm this by watching the place at around 09:00 and see how many people on course turn up for ‘muster’ (as they must). There hasn’t been anybody new for ages. The practice of Scientology there (except among the true believers) has ground to a complete halt.

        I think the old missions, whose staff were motivated by the opportunity to earn commissions had more members than the the biggest org today, and even Saint Hill is not the bustling hub it once was.

    • Mrs. B ( noseinabk)

      Pan, would you please consider unblocking your account for a bit so I can catch up with these updates? I could open them and let you know when I am caught up so you you can go back to private.

    • Mrs. B ( noseinabk)

      Thank you for unblocking! I’m catching up now and appriciate the time you’ve put in on this. I looked up many east coast fake missions in the past but was too lazy to post the pics and docs of all the failures I found.

  • Observer

    If it ain’t hypocritical, it ain’t Scientology.

    • iampissed

      Morning Obs

      • Observer

        Morning!

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        ๐Ÿ˜‹ Good Morning the the both of you!

        • iampissed

          Your one of the reasons I’m going to HowdyCon. Read your comment on the page and said damit I need to go. Thanks for your story.

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            Aw – wow and thank you! That seriously means a lot! I’m so excited to meet everyone and last year when I couldn’t go – that was the longest weekend ever, sitting at home bummed because I wasn’t there! Lol

    • ombrifuge

      Scientological even.

  • PickAnotherID

    “In Clearwater, all foreign Sea Org member’s passports were kept by the Hubbard Communications Office, Division 1, which was located in the Coachmen Building on Cleveland and Ft. Harrison Streets on the ground level. The HCO office had locked filing cabinets where the passports were kept.”

    Damn, the FBI knew about this, and didn’t pass it on to anyone involved with stopping human traficking??

    That statement in itself should be sufficient for Immigration to get some warrants and hit every $cientology facility in LA and Clearwater looking for human trafficking violations. Like locking up passports.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Yes, you would certainly think so. Do all investigative tentacles and leads die when an investigation is discontinued? I can’t believe that’s the case, although it seems to be here.

      • PickAnotherID

        They sure seem to where $cientology is concerned. Something smells really fishy about this.

        • Mary

          I agree. A corrupt gov’t agency? No! Say it isn’t so.

        • Peter

          Currently, the FBI has anything like a sound reputation. Very politicized.

      • DoveAlexa

        It’d be ridiculous for a law enforement’s slate to be cleared everytime someone stopped investigating something, when they actually found evidence of crime. Is there some super-special regulation where you can only investigate one narrow descriptor of a crime at a time and everything else must be ignored?
        It’s like going to the doctors these days, each complaint needs a new appointment.

        • iampissed

          I think it’s called safe pointing.

      • Bert Allen

        Usually the answer to your question is Yes.

    • iampissed

      Yea I thought that was against the law. The least they could have done was to tell them to
      Stop doing that and the folks in would have an easier time pulling out.

      • PickAnotherID

        It is against US and International law to confiscate someone’s passport.

        • ombrifuge

          The trouble is, it probably isn’t against the law to give someone your passport so they can look after it for you. And that’s what they would probably say if questioned.

          • PickAnotherID

            Actually, a case could be made that it is. I’ve spoke with State Department people a couple of times about this, and the person the passport is issued to is personally responsible for it’s safe keeping. Putting it in a hotel safe over night is one thing. Having it locked up at another location, where it is not readily available to the holder, is something else again.

            • ombrifuge

              If that’s the case it just makes it all the more infuriating that no one is doing anything about it.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              As I understand it passports are the property of the issuing government and are only to be possessed by the person to whom they are issued. That any organization or person who would inhibit in any way the passport holder from possession would be considered ‘conversion’.

              โ€œConversion by keeping: demand and refusal The ordinary way of showing a conversion by unlawful retention of property is to prove that the defendant having it in his possession, refused to surrender it on demand. ‘ https://www.freemovement.org.uk/unlawful-retention-of-passport-by-eco/

        • Juicer77

          I wonder if permission to “safely store” passports is one of the things they sign away in those multiple contracts.

          • PickAnotherID

            I brought that up with a State Department lady a year or so ago. She said any contract like that would be invalid on it’s face if it did.

    • Mary

      Infuriating as hell. The church must be paying the FBI.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I think the reason the Church gets away with this one is that most of the SO would say something along the lines of “Oh, the passports aren’t confiscated they are being held for safe keeping. And I could have gotten it at anytime.” That is if they don’t just outright lie and say that they had them the whole time.

      • PickAnotherID

        That’s why a ‘no notice’ type raid is needed. Just show up, demand to see passports, and watch the mad scramble that ensues.

        • As part of the R-1 visa program, there are supposed to be on-site inspections.

          Naturally Scientology blends in with the crowd when protesting regulations and enforcement.

          http://lubbockonline.com/stories/071407/rel_071407076.shtml

          The Los Angeles-based Church of Scientology Western United States, which brings in ministers to work with non-English-speaking parishioners, has also weighed in. The proposed requirement that ministers be “fully trained” is biased toward Christianity, assistant secretary Kenneth Long wrote in public comments to the immigration service.

          Nice shore-story. Total rubbish, of course. Scientology “ministers” can’t be expected to be at the top of the grade level side of the bridge, but what they bring in are untrained Sea Org, who probably haven’t even done the one week course.

        • Bert Allen

          Get a search warrant.

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            Can search warrants be appealed all the way to the supreme court or be arbitrated through the 1st amendment shielded laws of an unanswerable occupied mock religious territorial enclave run by a slap happy dictator and established through a foreign Sea Org invasion in 1975?
            I know that is a bit flippant but scientology sucks the life out of communities wherever it exists and sometimes the deadly serious torts it commits need a little mocking.

            Judge Andrew P. Napolitano has an interesting article on the issue of warrants that addresses a wider issue but nonetheless pertains to the constitutional standard for warrants.

            https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/01/andrew-p-napolitano/evil-loretta-lynch/

            • Bert Allen

              An attorney can try to appeal the sufficiency of the facts giving rise to the probable cause for the warrant, but such motions are seldom successful. And such motions only come after the evidence has been seized. it is then very hard to put the genie back in the bottle.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              Thanks so much for your always informative posts.

        • WhatAreYourCrimes

          You are so correct. No notice!

    • Kat

      I’m not sure what the exact law is in the US but I worked for an American cruise company for over 10 years.
      All crew members have to relinquish their passport once they cross the gangway at the first sign on meeting. We didn’t have them returned until our contract was finished (4 months, 6 months). At our first US port we would be issued the passport at the start of a queue, go through US immigration, been given a temp visa for disembarking in US ports throughout our contract, and then relequish the passport back to the crew office at the end of the queue.
      I’m not sure why this is the case, I never questioned it, crew members will “jump ship” without documents.
      If we ever needed access to our passport for whatever reason there was a multitude of forms to be filled out. The American crew members had easier access, or absolute access to their passorts. In the last minutes of signing off the ship and crossing the gangway at the end of our contract we were handed our passport. So I’m not sure if $ci is using some kind of similar interpretation of the laws or what.

      • PickAnotherID

        There are special rules that apply to ship crews when landing at foreign ports. But, uniformed or not, the Sea Org, and other $cientology staff are not aboard a ship at sea. So the same rules that apply to the rest of us apply to them too.

        • Kat

          Makes sense. The whole “confiscating of passport” just reminded me of that situation.

        • ze moo

          Given the stories of rampant theft among sea borg, keeping the passports is probably a good idea. Too bad the owners don’t have absolute access to them. That is the problem. If anyone asks for their passport back, they immediately get the sec check and face rip and whatever else the MAA wants to do to them.

        • richelieu jr

          Thought be fair, Fake Navy, naff uniforms, and that string of abbreviations and faux-philosophical jargon that composes their word salad of near-Palinesque uselessness and nonensicality– do not let thieves thigns confuse you.

          Fake Navy or not, these Scilon are very fucking much at Sea.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I am sure the shore story on that is so the passports don’t get lost or stolen, whereas the truth is much more likely that the passports are locked up to prevent loss via escape of foreign nationals deceived into indentured servitude commonly referred to as slavery..
      Is Clearwater considered a ‘safe city’ or the southeastern seaboard scientology superpower gulag ?

  • TexasBroad

    Perhaps this role will shake her loose. She’s gotten so much blowback, I’m sure it has reinforced her defenses, but there’s always a chance that something seeps in and makes her begin to question.

    • Princess Poopypants

      Let’s hope so! But to her, these allegations about Sea Org members are WAY OUT THERE. Because she would not have seen them at all (very unlikely).
      I doubt Leah saw much of it either, because of a combination of things. One is “No case on post”, which means no-one ever displays negative reactions, so they would not be seen. The other is that in Sea Org orgs, any that have public in them (such as CC Int, Flag, ASHO and AOLA) have public spaces and what is called “backlines” (out of public access/view). Any type of handlings done on Sea Org staff are in those back spaces, NEVER EVER where public could see.
      Elisabeth: How about when you are at CC next time, instead of going into the President’s Office door, from the lobby, make a left and head down the stairs. Make another left, you will see the main elevator… pass that, left again and pass the freight elevator. Go down that small set of stairs, then turn right. Follow the hall to the end… pass the org board. And you will find yourself at a locked door that you won’t be able to get through. And they will tell you it’s just letter writing area and exec offices. That’s where “handlings” are done on the staff too, if they want to leave, get pregnant, etc. Out of site and not easy to find.

      • iampissed

        Front of house…back of house. Grew up in theater. I know what you mean.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Superb comment, Sunny. I feel as though I’ve just had a tour of CC.

        • iampissed

          I really appreciate sunnys insight.

      • Tony Ortega

        Leah was in the fucking Sea Org.

        And I’m getting tired of the excuses being made about the celebrities, who have more leeway than others in the church to view and be exposed to material about church in the press.

        It’s been established quite well by Spanky Taylor and others that John Travolta and Tom Cruise were well aware of what the Sea Org goes through and what its punishments are.

        Stop making excuses for them.

        • Supper Powers

          *hands tony a cup of coffee with 2 shots of Basil Hayden in it* *gently removes hatchet from his hand*.

        • Princess Poopypants

          Because you lived it, didn’t you, Tony?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I really enjoyed you taking us on an expedition through the highways and byways of CC, Sunny. I love that type of insight you give us ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Princess Poopypants

              Yeah, I think I am done for a while. It’s been a long time coming.

            • gtsix

              Understandable, but I will miss your first hand accounts.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I appreciate you very much. You are one of the people who keeps me coming back to the Bunker every day.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          exactly! NO ONE especially cruise that interwoven with this cult, that interwoven with the LEADER of this insidious thing, who has spent perhaps MORE TIME THEN ANY celeb or whale at gold base and wherever could NOT POSSIBLY KNOW all there is to know about the seaorg! “oh well, if that’s what they want to do these people (and dave tells me so!) who am i to say anything?”

        • TexasBroad

          Celebrity or not, nobody gets it until they “get it” no matter what they are exposed to. I disagree that celebrities should be held to a higher level of responsibility because of their visibility (or even their better treatment and benefit) — In the end, they are just another person sucked into their own prison of belief. They deserve no more or no less pardon for their participation than anyone else IMHO.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            i respectfully disagree…. even in their self absorption, celebs should 100% 24/7 BE WARY OF ANYTHING, ANYONE that tarnishes them, their entire career is “reputation and based on us, the public” without neither,they don’t even HAVE a career. so just for their own sake, it’s incomprehensible they don’t and never have once thought to see 100% good and bad what they are involved in( scientology!).. as i’ve always said even if only 10% of the allegations were true, they should have never got involved or left it years ago…

            in another aspect, because they ARE celebs and one in particular is the worldwide public face of it, they have greater responsibility that comes with their greater “power”…when a a celeb uses their fame, looks, money, whatever to “entice and seduce” the public, society in whatever, thus they have greater responsibility…

            • TexasBroad

              And I respectfully disagree back at you – for the same reason that I don’t give a rat’s behind about the political views (or beliefs on vaccinations, etc.) of celebrities. Celebrities are not inherently “important” – we give them importance. We shouldn’t. They are imperfect, flawed and exploitable – just like the rest of us human beings.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              well OF COURSE these celebs are all that you say… that’s not the point.. the point is that a large number (perhaps even the majority?) of society, the public, the world DO think celebs are on a pedestal and don’t think that it’s them, us, who put them there… of course that is not right, but it is the reality of it…. thus, because people put them on that pedestal and make them important more important that everyone else, the celebs have greater responsibility…. course they too forget who put them there, just like a politician as a analogy…

          • Mick Roberts

            On some levels, I agree with you TexasBroad. However, celebrities do have much greater access to external information than most on the inside, yet they continue to provide funds, promote the ideology, and when they want something for their own benefit, they are willing to let the church exploit the hard work of those “beneath” them while turning a blind eye.

            With their platform, they have the ability to either raise awareness or even better, bring about change…..therefore, they have the responsibility to do so. Leah is a great example of someone taking on that responsibility.

            • lynn

              *cough cough* Greta Van Sustren *cough cough*

            • TexasBroad

              I agree that the benefit of a celebrity leaving Scientology is greater than when someone else leaves and appreciate that Leah undertook all that she did because the power of her fame gave her a voice your average Ex could never have (and best of ALL gave power to those average voices), BUT my point is just that her celebrity had nothing to do with her blind belief or for her leaving.

        • cactusflower67

          Sure, Leah was in the Sea Org. And yet, despite the shitty treatment she received and saw others receive, she stayed in Scientology well into her years as a celebrity. She didn’t leave because of the Sea Org. If she had, she would have left a lot sooner. I don’t know if Jason Beghe or Paul Haggis were Sea Org members, but they didn’t leave because of it either. Neither did Lisa Marie Presley. How do you explain that?

          • Tracy Schmitz

            perhaps different levels of ego and self absorption among the celebs.. some only left because of what was happening to THEM…. and this is what “woke them up”…. guess every celeb is different?..

            • cactusflower67

              Thank you. That’s exactly my point and why Mr. Ortega should stop making blanket statements about these celebrities.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              well, i don’t know if you should be thanking me.. either way or anyway a celeb leaves they should still be ashamed of themselves for not knowing or even WANTING to know and find out and nowadays look and listen to what is going on (and always has been!) but at least leah for example admits her wrong and selfishness and is making amends for it, jason and paul haggis too in their own way by speaking out against it… although all will always be excused of only leaving it when it was bad for them only,……perhaps that is true, but how can anyone fault anyone for at least eventually “waking up” and doing something positive against this insidious cancer that is scientology…..however, i also agree with mr.ortega that some celebs have NO EXCUSE and this goes for those who are even MORE involved and interwoven with scientology and miscavige in particular, THEY DESERVED TO BE “BLANKETED” by mr.ortega!! i’m talking cruise, travolta and alley, the big 3…

            • ze moo

              And we’ll short sheet their beds too!

            • cactusflower67

              I’m not faulting any of them for leaving regardless of their reasons, but let’s not assume they left because of the way others were treated. Even within Scientology, there are clearly different levels of celebrities. Remember what Leah was told when she asked about Shelly Miscavige, that she didn’t have the “rank” to ask about that. I’ll bet Tom Cruise has the rank to ask, and if he did, no one would dare say to him what they said to Leah.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              i don’t know (and who does except dm and tc?) in regards to your last comment.. one wonders if dm has indeed ever yelled at cruise,being physical abusive in some way to cruise and cruise is so “far gone” that he accepts it and takes it? i mean how far gone is cruise? how far does cruise as john brousseau said “worships miscavige like a GOD!”?…..obviously everyone would think that cruise in common sense and rationality would never stand for ANYONE to treat him this way verbally or physically.. but who knows? i mean he has no problem receiving the ass kissing for 30 years and counting and thinking it’s normal, okay, even cool, even more so DESERVED! who knows, he may think getting a slap in the face or a verbal cussing undressing is normal, okay, even deserved?! in closing, one wonders HAS tc ever inquired about shelly DIRECTLY to dm? or is so “far gone as well in this regard” that he truly thinks it’s none of his business or that whatever lie dm himself told tc about shelly that it must be true?….

            • ExCult.Jan

              There’s plenty of shame when someone wakes finally up and leaves a cult. Trust me on that.

            • ze moo

              With all of the info available on $cientology, every $cieno bears responsibility for ‘their church’.

              Remember the old phrase, ‘good Germans’, referring to those who did not support the Nazi regime? Well, with modern communications, every Clam is responsible for the crimes of Davy Miscavage.

              Head in the sand is no excuse.

            • Philbyification

              I wonder if the NY $cilons rushed to the scene in Times Square STAT to set up their “touch assist” tents? Were the “Only ones who could help” called in? (at least to scan the area for any “tech” from Killer floating about..’)

          • Techie

            None of the names you mention, cactusflower, were in the Sea Org. Leah was in for a few months if I remember correctly. At the Flag Land Base, where things are quite a bit more organized and there is a lot more money than other locations. But the proprietor’s point is well taken. If you were looking for signs of tyranny you would find them. You would notice that some of the folks that serve you are suddenly missing with no good explanation. You would notice the guy who opens the door for you with inexplicable tears in his eyes. You would see the seemingly drunken stagger and the bleary eyes of those who have not slept in days. The problem is, they are not looking. And how could they? If there is trouble in paradise, it is their paradise too. If the Sea Org worker’s paradise is a lie, their own expensive stairway to heaven could also be a lie. The lies that keep them going, keep them paying, keep them leaping to their feet in choreographed standing ovations at the words of the Dear Leader, are also lies that they tell themselves. The public Scientologists are also in a “Prison of Belief”. As the song goes: “All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest….lie lie lie”. (Paul Simon, “The Boxer”)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WOsSutN_A4

            • Well, a lot of people stay in because they learn to not look – celebrity or not.

              There are two separate issues: the extent that non-SO victims are kept from the harsh realities. Tony is making the point that this is sometimes just not so, and he has the documentation to back that up. Then there’s the fact that people who remain in the cult often do not see what those of us on the outside are pretty sure we would see. The second point is more or less true by definition, i.e. the mental prison also works because the victims learn to not see the plainly obvious.

              It remains the case that the criminal organisation known as the church of $cientology uses physical constraints in addition to the mental ones, and there are aspects of the treatment which is hidden from “even” the SO victims (e.g. the story in Jenna Miscavige Hill’s “Beyond Belief” about the children of the cadet organisation being coached to lie to their SO parents).

            • RedShoeLady

              That song applies to so many situations and circumstances thanks Techie for posting it brings back memories…..

      • gtsix

        This was lovely. Thank you.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Seeing the two testimonies juxtaposed is extraordinary, as is reading for the first time what must presumably be Marc Headley’s testimony to the FBI.

    • TonyOrtega

      It comes from numerous interviews.

      • iampissed

        Morning Tony

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Sorry, yes, I meant the section towards the end that seems to be written from the perspective of a man. I thought I recognised parts of the testimony in Blown For Good.

        • iampissed

          Wouldn’t that be a hoot. Would she even know if it was lifted from transcripts as she can’t read such stuff.

  • Sci-Fi

    Compliments to the producers for great casting.

  • iampissed

    It’s so much fun watching that little heart beat.

  • Sejanus

    Oh irony.

  • Victoria Pandora

    I was pretty floored by the episode.
    It made me remember how Orgs would trade staff like pawns.
    Or how a person could get shipped to S.A. Or Australia, against their will.
    And yes, the forced abortions. An inversion of forced birthing.

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T – I almost hate to mention it, but today is the 40th anniversary of the O. Henry Pun Off Day. This year’s theme, “Once a-pun a tme”. Think I’ll take a walk…
    https://res.cloudinary.com/simpleview/image/upload/crm/austin/O-Henry-Pun-Off-40-Graphic_3cd18c5c-f522-0b8f-01bd9c8216afd455.jpg

    • Juicer77

      You just o-punned a can of worms.

  • Simon Tology

    I had similar thoughts when watching Tom Cruise play Claus von Stauffenberg in Valykrie.

    • Juicer77

      I hope learning those lines jogged something loose in her thought-stopping patterns. One can only hope.
      Cruise doesn’t have the brain capacity to figure out he’s being conned, IMHO.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        you kidding? as a former huge cruise fan, so many of his movies (i.e. “the firm”) are so juxtaposed with what is REALLY going on in scientology,he would have to literally be a moron beyond moron to not see it and the parallels.. if this is a man who can sit thru “the master” and instead of recognizing it’s scientology and hubbard nearly “to a tee” and run out of the theater and leave the cult asap, instead angry at the director for making such a film close to his religion, and not see the TRUTH of the movie, then nothing is going to make him stop and think!…

        • AntoniaW

          Is it not possible that he really is “a moron beyond moron”? Do we have any evidence of him possessing fully engaged brain cells? It’s not as if Scientology would reject him just because he was a little on the dim side…

          • ze moo

            Tommy Girl doesn’t get a pass for lack of brain power. If he can memorize lines in a script, he can open his eyes and look around.

            • AntoniaW

              Seems likely, I agree.

    • AntoniaW

      Yep. I’m sure you’re right, but I couldn’t bring myself to watch it – von Stauffenberg was a brilliant, brave & complex character, and I thought that a small deluded narcissist should never have been allowed to play him.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        this is coming from the same man who had the audacity gall and insanity to declare after making “the last samurai” that the samurai code and scientology are nearly identical and how proud he is to live by these codes!….

        • Mick Roberts

          Seriously? I didn’t hear about him making that comparison. Jeez….

          • Tracy Schmitz

            YES, he did in a interview… great movie and great soundtrack, but another (all of his movies) i cannot no longer watch because of HIM and the cult..

        • AntoniaW

          Christ.

        • PickAnotherID

          Interestingly enough, “Last Samurai” did well at the box office in Japan. Not because of Cruise, but because of Ken Watanabe, Hiroyuki Sanada, Seizo Fukumoto, and Shichinosuke Nakamura, who are all very popular in Japan. Since the story is loosely based on the Satsuma Rebellion, which involved no US officers on the rebels side, Cruise’s part was consided odd, to put it politely.

        • GoneToPlaid

          So when is he going to commit Seppuku?

    • AntoniaW

      Can’t resist adding this – Stauffenberg’s son Berthold on Cruise: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/3558716/Claus-von-Stauffenberg-the-true-story-behind-the-film-Valkyrie-starring-Tom-Cruise.html
      “As flamekeeper, Berthold has spoken out against the coming portrayal of his father by Tom Cruise in the film Valkyrie. Speaking to the German newspaper Der Spiegel last year, he said: ‘It is unpleasant for me that an avowed Scientologist will be playing my father. I’m not saying that Cruise is a bad actor – I can’t judge that. But I fear that only terrible kitsch will come out of the project. He should keep his hands off my father. He should climb a mountain or go surfing in the Caribbean. I don’t care what he does, so long as he keeps out of it.'”

      • iampissed

        That’s going to leave a mark.

      • ze moo

        That is a sweet burn. Berthold later ‘recanted’ and gave his blessing to the movie. Only Berthold knows why he did that. All things considered, I thought earlier productions of that were better.

        • AntoniaW

          Did he recant? I thought he merely said he’d stop protesting & withhold judgement until he’d seen the movie. His nephew got a bit part in it, which must have complicated things somewhat.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        der spiegel once interviewed cruise and spielberg together and the subject of scientology and narconon in the context of religion came up.. cruise did his programmed robot spiel of praising scientology and in particular narconon as the ONLY 100% works every time (i’m paraphrasing here) drug rehab in the entire world! the reporter said “THAT IS NOT TRUE! THAT IS WRONG!” and cruise replied “yes, it is true” and that pretty much ended that bit of the interview.. at least the reporter for der spiegel had the professionalism, and the EXPECTED GUTS to tell cruise to his face he is wrong!….of course, spielberg does the usual hollywood lame deflection of “everyone should believe in whatever they want” blah, blah, blah….

  • BeezleBobby

    But does someone in Liz Moss’ position have a clue what kind of lives Sea Org members lead? The irony may be totally lost on her.

    • ze moo

      The only time she sees the bOrg is during visits to the Orgs and those are the most brainwashed of the bunch. Mosses bubble is very strong.

    • iampissed

      Read down thread, Tony has a few words on that.

  • DexterSka

    My experience shows that Scientology stamps out any ability to sense irony and read between the lines. I think it’s a defense mechanism.

    • Juicer77

      That’s exactly why humor (J&D) is frowned upon. It creates gaps in HubbardThink.

      • Rasha

        Much of humor is irony and insight – stating facts in an unexpected or creative way, which is why Hubbard, Blergh Brother of the Blacktooth Tribe, couldn’t have it, IMHO. It would lead to creative and independent thoughts….. not good…..

        • iampissed

          Pissss…what about that second nail gun?

  • gtsix

    Actors acting. Just a job, nothing more. She’s in until she’s out. As a 2nd Gen with star power, she’s getting the royal blow job treatment. She definitely does not google.

    • Juicer77

      Highly likely, but just like everyone has a “ruin,” everyone has cracks in their “certainty.” She just may not have found hers yet.

  • iampissed

    The Proprietor is cleaning house this morning….Thanks Tony/Scott.

    • Rasha

      Yes, I see the litter box got scooped. XD

      • iampissed
        • Juicer77

          This is true.

      • salin

        What the H3ll was that all about? I must have missed the main act, but the follow up was so – performance artsy odd. Admitting to posting illegal material (?!), quasi apology/lesson (?) Bizarre.

        • ombrifuge

          Yes it was very odd. I cannot think why they bothered posting that – unless it is some sort of misdirection or something like that?

          • salin

            In two languages, no less. No idea what that was about.

            • Rasha

              Just griefers. Attention seekers. Now off Rasha’s radar.

        • So the creep who posted the kiddie porn came back to notpologize bilingually?

          • salin

            Yikes – I didn’t know what was posted. But yes, he did exactly that. Basically, he said it was a random attack via disqus- not personal – and when folks do that don’t respond with threats – and they will go away. But when the reactions are mockable, he (and those like him) will keep attacking (guess for the lolz.)

          • TexasBroad

            He may have notpologized but he did confess.

    • Juicer77
  • Snippy_X

    Interesting that the FBI has documented so many reports that describe human trafficking by Scientology. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a56fd92882e15f554ec96b26dbf80a7e1f7348f61ef84cfefb0c16254e19be7.png

    • Snippy_X

      The problem is the R-1 Religious Visa is slippery, but it shouldn’t be. Abuse is abuse.

      • Snippy_X

        From http://cis.org/north/R1visafraud

        Social Security Also Examines the Matter in 2009

        In my experience, the Social Security Administration has never taken any initiative in uncovering immigration fraud, so I found it surprising that it had published a “Management Advisory Report” on “R-1 Religious Workers’ Use of Social Security Numbers” in March 2009.

        The SSA, coincidentally, also found that about 30 percent of the 200 cases it reviewed were instances of fraud. That was the percentage of R-1 religious workers whose earnings showed either self-employment only, work with secular organizations, or a combination of secular and religious organization wages. Since the R-1 visa allows employment only with religious organizations, each of these workers was out of compliance with the immigration law, as were all of their sponsoring agencies.

        The SSA study also found that 39 percent of the R-1s had no wages reported, and it questioned whether it was “prudent” to issue Social Security numbers to people who will not receive wages. (SSA did not check further to see if these 39 percent were working in the cash economy.)

        The point about many R-1 workers not receiving wages was picked up by an anti-Scientology website, whose reliability is unknown to me. It says in this connection: “Scientology should be singled out and investigated, but of course they will cry bigotry if this should happen. A tough and sad situation, and exactly why they have been getting away with human trafficking for so long.”

        Scientology critics say that the organization exploits many of its followers, making them work long hours with no pay other than bed and board, and uses the R-1 visa to bring more victims to the States. There are several websites providing the critics’ views on this point, see here and here.

        There is apparently a continuing, and I think under-reported, series of controversies between DHS and Scientology over the use of the R-1 visas. I am, in this instance, rooting for the Department!

        David North’s blog
        —————————————-
        Me, too – holy cow, but how long are they going to keep turning a blind eye?

      • Snippy_X
    • lynn
      • Snippy_X

        Bravo! Nor should they be above the Law.

  • TexasBroad

    OT, but I stumbled upon this little gem of a video this morning and thought I’d share. it is a short (15mins) narrative of the very beginning of the Anonymous protests and just cracked me up several times.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRb6L7SCSro

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “What’s an L. Ron? How do I dianetics my face?” ๐Ÿ˜€

      • TexasBroad

        Ha! One of many LOLs!

    • Perfect 15 min to get in the Loop – and here is the full version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAECyLvSCHg

      • TexasBroad

        Thanks Dice!

    • Eivol Ekdal
      • TexasBroad

        ๐Ÿ™‚ — I love to have videos in my queue!

    • mark

      just watched it again. two thirds into it an ad comes on, the super-bowl ad for CoS. Talk about misplaced advertising.

    • abdaman

      Whats an L Ron? How do I dianetics my face?

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Terrific!

  • Psychevil

    This brilliant juxtaposition of “fiction” and reality gave me shivers. It would make a fascinating basis for a documentary.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    “but hey, if that is what those sea org guys WANT and WANT do do, who am i to say anything?!” per a celeb..
    per the most dedicated scientologist the leader knows ” i admire their dedication” or is it “they and everyone else who has been alleged to have been mistreated deserved it somehow, someway!”..besides how can i even relate to these sea org members as i’m only 1 of the 2 big beings on this entire planet!”.

    OR IS IT, that elizabeth, tom, kirstie, john and jenna and kelly and beck and michael pena and anne archer and whoever else have AND NEVER HAVE HAD A CLUE as to what is going on? it’s all about them anyway, how can anyone expect them to actually look, listen, hear, see and find out for themselves ANYTHING that they are not told?! how dare we wogs expect them to act like a adult with a ounce of critical thinking, empathy, understanding, curiosity and so on?!!

    • Or – Damn i must be good compared to those lowlife RPFer and stupid Wog’s

  • Mat Pesch

    I often think of the many wonderful people left behind in the Sea Org. I feel bad for them, especially those that were born into the Sea Org and know nothing else. Their heads are filled with bullshit. The information they have access to is completely controlled. It’s a tricky little trap.

    • outraged

      Exactly. A tricky trap.

      Elizabeth Moss is a very professional accomplished actress. It is inconceivable to me that she doesn’t recognize the irony of the situation. It is very hard to imagine that she LIKES or LOVES Scientology. But because of the complicated intrusive intertwined method of her connection to the cult, it is possible she is able to block out the book from her real life. Who knows?

      When newspapers still say that Katie Holmes is raising her daughter ‘with her ex-Tom Cruise’ then it is hard to believe, as always, much that we read. The truth is stretched thin sometimes. Moss is not reported saying much of anything about Scientology. I would LOVE to know what she really thinks.

      • Snippy_X

        It could be exactly what Steven Hassan was describing on Leah’s show. He said when he was a totally brainwashed Moonie, he’d see other cults and ponder how someone could get sucked into them and be so deluded, but he said he was oblivious to his own programming. I wonder if we all aren’t like this to some degree. It seems whatever our local “culture” is, because we are immersed in it, we don’t even see how it defines our sense of reality.

      • Techie

        Outraged,she probably doesn’t see any irony. In her mind the evil oppressors are the psychs from the Planet Farsec, not her beloved Dave Miscavige from whom all blessings flow. I remember one time in the early 80s we were fixing up Hubbard’s house at the Int Base. Up 24/7, going insane from the heat and the poor food, doing things like removing floors. From a two bedroom house in one night.One sleep deprived guy was demonstrating the nail gun to a new guy, and said “Now don’t ever push on this safety lever or the gun can go off” and pushed on it and shot the guy in the shoulder with a nail. But if you would have pulled up in a pickup and said “Hey, get in and get away!” I would have said “No, we are doing important work here for the savior of mankind, L Ron Hubbard. Sure conditions are rough but that is what it takes to get the job done.” I didn’t find out until after I left that the whole job was just a smoke screen to cover for Dave Miscavige and give him an excuse for his failure to get the “All Clear” for Hubbard to come back to the Base. As “Special Project Ops” his “special project” was to get Hubbard out of trouble with the law so he could come out of hiding. So as long as more and more work “needed to be done” at the Base Dave had a ready excuse for his failures. We built a Music Studio, all kinds of special office spaces, his house, recording facilities for lectures, all kinds of busy work. All just to keep Dave in the status of hero with Hubbard while he failed to do his job. As Mat said, that sort of adversity creates an incredible “esprit de corps”. Some of those guys I worked with are ones I would trust with my life in a heartbeat. And of course we did. But all for lies and deceit, the empowerment of a totalitarian,

      • PeaceMaker

        outraged, that seems to me to fall into the trap of assuming that celebrities, just because they’ve become successful at performing, are necessarily smarter or savvier than average – exactly the sort of unjustified reverence that Scientology exploits.

        Moss happens to have a talent for acting, but I don’t get the impression that she’s all that smart – or, more important than just smarts, perceptive and aware. I put two interviews with her on in the background, and didn’t hear her say anything that might not have come from a really sharp 8th grader (like a young Natalie Portman – who is probably actually a genius, and who managed to get a degree at Harvard).

        I think that, if anything, actors in particular may be likely to have rather warped personalities and psyches, because the nature of the profession requires oddities such as an ability to focus so intensely on playing people who they aren’t – a sort of induced schizophrenia. Plus, their lifestyles may actually inhibit their being exposed to normal life situations and picking up skills such as common sense.

    • It’s a tricky little trap.

      Uh, no… It’s as tricky and subtle as a freight train roaring down the track in the middle of the Nebraska prairie.

      I’d characterize the Sea Org trap as one of the more blatant and straightforward human slavery schemes out there. It’s about as subtle as being dragooned into ISIS and told you’ll be killed if you try to leave. I suspect new recruits figure they’ve been conned within minutes of either being dropped into EPF or screamed at by some random senior “officer.”

      Tricky and subtle would be a trap that ensnared you so subtly that it takes years before you realize it. And it’s cleverly sprung so that there are no walls, armed guards, etc. I don’t know what cults are gently absorptive like that. The Shakers, perhaps?

      • I’d go some way with you there.

        The early stages of Scientology recruitment are the nearest it gets to subtle. After that the degree of coercion required to maintain the suspension of disbelief gradually increases, and reaches its greatest extent in closed environment of the Sea Org.

        In fact, the pressure to ‘disconnect’ from critics of Scientology can start during your first course.

  • SNAFU

    In case this hasn’t been posted already, apparently the police found Scientology books in the apartment of Richard Rojas, the disturbed man who plowed through three blocks of Times Square sidewalks yesterday. “The police executed a search warrant on Thursday at the apartment where Mr. Rojas lived with his mother. One official said he kept Scientology books there, and another said he had made some statements about a day of reckoning.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/nyregion/times-square-crash-driver-richard-rojas.html

    • Chee Chalker

      We’ll find out later that shortly before the incident, David Miscavige had declared Mr. Rojas as ‘Clear’

      • Mick Roberts

        And that shortly after the incident, staff members at the Church of Scientology of New York were unable to locate his folder after OSA officials paid them a short visit.

  • BosonStark

    I’m with the people who wish that either through the acting experience of this role, or from the criticism of Scientology it is bringing up, Moss would have a realization, start googling something about her own cult and get out. Even without that happening, it’s good that more of the public is appreciating the irony.

    With Christianity, it is the sheer volume of Christians, the influence on general society, with holidays like Christmas, which prevents many of them from ever questioning the basic tenants and history of their religion. And that’s in a religion where the basic principle is laughably counter intuitive for young people of this age; that a creator had to send his son down to be sacrificed for the sins of the world. Why? Why would He need to do that is the question?

    With Scientology, for 2nd generation celebrity Scientologists especially, it’s the exclusivity and years of training not to question, and years of being drilled on how the outside has it all wrong, and feeling privileged from all the success it has given them, which prevents them from looking beyond it. They know how family members who rejected Scientology are regarded, and they don’t want that feeling from their own family. As for the criticism they receive from journalists or the public, that comes with the territory of acting. They are used to that.

    • RedShoeLady

      She probably has handlers to keep her auditing when not otherwise working on set.

      • BosonStark

        Well, I bet she’s had some training or counseling on how to deal with criticism and questions, so that by misdirecting, deflecting questions about Scientology, giving minimal responses, she’s able to feel like she’s a shining example of a good Scientologist, which all celebrity Scientologists are supposed to be. They are the creative ones, the leaders in planetary clearing.

        Getting questions like these is a test for Moss. It’s like answering questions the right way to get to the next level. She’s used to it.

      • ze moo

        Even after a 12 hour day on the set, Leah Remini was REQUIRED to spend 3 or 4 hours at the Cleb Center doing her ‘courses’. I don’t know where Handmaids Tale is being recorded, but Moss is expected to audit and study $cieno crap every day. Every freakin day!

      • Silence of the Clams

        Do you think that ‘stars’ look at their handlers as a friendly accomplice or do they see them as ‘handlers’.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hmmmm.

      As one of the “tenants” of Christianity who understands the tenets beyond a superficial level, I know a lot of young people who do not find the concept of self sacrifice (which is what the cosmology portrays) “laughable.” I do know many disagree and even criticize, and I am fine with that.

      Most young people today who oppose Christianity do so on the basis of social issues. Again, I am fine with that. And I have always been opposed to credulous belief, which gives rise to fanaticism– the kind of society portrayed in The Handmaid’s Tale and practiced within Scientology. From the very beginning Christians have questioned both their theology and leadership. The Bereans were criticized when they questioned Paul, but he commended them. Too bad that there are still to this day people of faith who don’t understand that concept and willingly shut off their critical faculties.

      • BosonStark

        The self sacrifice aspect of Christianity is not profound. It is derived from older traditions, primitive and silly notions that blood sacrifices or burning part of one’s crop pleases god. If the creator of the universe needs to forgive mankind, there are better ways to do it than by sending his only son to live as a man and be sacrificed. That has all the hallmarks of a man-made myth.

        And why did this act have to happen at this particular time? It doesn’t make any sense and it never will, no matter how many theologians or deeply spiritual people you put on the case.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Nor would I make any attempt to argue this with you in this forum. Your position is clear, as is mine. But the subject at hand is Scientology, one in which we can find common ground in our contrasting beliefs.

        • abdaman

          I have never understood how jesus being killed translates into “jesus died for our sins” and no theologian has ever been able to explain it in a way that makes a lick of sense. And this is coming from a former hardcore fundamentalist.

  • Mick Roberts

    “Police said Rojas [Time Square car crash yesterday] was obsessed with Scientology and had accumulated piles of literature on the controversial religion.”

    Just another tid-bit…..still don’t know how much, if anything, this has to do with his psychological problems.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/massive-times-square-car-crash-kills-injures-12-article-1.3176584

    • Whatever his connection with Scientology, I’m sure that if he had any files at the org, they were destroyed by the end of the day.

      • Mick Roberts

        Yep…..I thought the same thing when I first saw the potential connection mentioned in an article yesterday. Any online connections, if there were any, were probably wiped as well.

        • Perhaps they’ll send Rex Fowler’s wife to demand the return of the piles of literature?

          “One thing I need is his briefcase,” Jan Fowler said in the affidavit. “It was taken out of his office. It is important to me, my church, and it is religious material and I want it now!”

          Detectives had not reviewed the briefcase yet, so they told her she could not have it.

          “Even if you looked at it and read it, you would not understand anything in it. Because it is way above a normal person and you would not know what it meant,” she responded.

          • gtsix

            Such homo novi.

            Do fuck off Jan. Marsha was better.

          • I think I’d tell her that, “in that case there’s no harm in me reading it”
            I would be a really sarcastic copper.

      • Not all files are destroyed. Even though they do destroy files at times Scientology tends to keep files on everything when they can. Sometimes they are sent ‘off-site’. Back when the Toronto Org was raided by police they somehow found out that GO files were being kept at a person’s house (A Scientologist who lived a few doors down from us.). They were able to raid that person’s house and recover files, but who knows what other places files might be stored.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        What’s that you say RMycroft? We can’t hear you over the sound of the shredders.

    • Philbyification

      Thanks for posting that link Mick. Well Well, another “psych” case with a $cilon connection, albeit seemingly “collateral” like those ABLEchild cranks run out of Newtown by Townsfolk at the town dump.. I wonder if he had any “literature”< (lol) in his car? We all should be allowed to view Evidence pics and Inventory of car at some point. MI had another "Ramming" of a store, 2 days ago, by the SAME nut who committed Arson and Rammed USCG gates 2 yrs ago in which local headlines touted "terror link" that was Never reasonable or proven. Krueger got off on insanity and was free to ram again, like this Rojas nutter… This tidbit needs to be "run to ground". It could prove very interesting…

    • abdaman

      whaaaat

      • abdaman

        so sad that this is what it has to come to sometimes for someone to get much needed (mental health) help in this country

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Thanks Mick, extensive article.

  • John Prince

    Every time I read “FBI” and “Scientology ” in one sentence I get a little twinge of excitment ,like Somebody in the Federal Government is paying attention to co$’s criminal activities but I’m beginning to think the Fix is in..at a very high Level โ˜the Evidence to convict captain pissypants is out There, in abundance. If the Feds were so inclined, They could had Come down Hard on the Clampire long ago ๐Ÿ˜•

    • Mick Roberts

      First the FBI probably needs to make sure that federal judges will grow some balls and not put up with the evasive horse-shit of the “church” lawyers after charges are filed.

      • John Prince

        You might be right, If Judges across the Board would simply exercise their Broad authority, co$ would have been smacked down hard by Now..Times ARE changing, though, Scientology Watching is gaining Momentum. .UNLIKE Scientology ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    • Noesis

      It would be helpful if at least one of the US Attorneys that were asked to resign by incoming President Trump had been replaced so that there was somebody around to pay attention.

      And it would also be nice if their was a sitting Director of the FBI (and by “sitting” I don’t mean on one’s hands.)

      • salin

        Unfortunately the reported front runner, frmr Sen. Joe Lieberman, is part of the crowd that cows down to the extreme “respect religious liberties” – so I imagine when it comes to issues that Co$ claims are internal religious doctrine, I imagine he would sit on his hands.

        • Noesis

          I do not like the Lieberman choice either and hope that it does not become reality.

          Among the issues is that he used to work for a law firm that included among its clients a guy by the name of Donald Trump.

          It would also be nice if the new Director of the FBI had some recent experience (say in the last 30 years or so) in actual investigations or prosecutions.

          • salin

            100% agree.

      • Philbyification

        “No sitting Director” facilitated the lack of responsibility of BATF for the INSANE F & F, ect. D.C. is looking like an Alex Butterfield Redux. Who plays Dorothy Hunt’s role I wonder?

        • Noesis

          The Fast and Furious operation was indeed a fiasco, ultimately leading to the first ever Contempt of Congress citation against a (then) still serving US Attorney General (Eric Holder – facilitator of the much earlier Marc Rich / Bill Clinton pardon infamy.)

          If you are looking for a Dorothy Hunt doppelganger in the current zeitgeist of unsubstantiated conspiracy rumors, you could probably insert the name of Seth Rich and find some crazy people to agree.

          Lol.

          EDIT to add: As an aside, Robert Mueller, now Special Counsel investigating possible Russia ties to the Trump campaign, was Director of the FBI during Fast and Furious. You can’t make this stuff up.

          • Philbyification

            Exactly! lol ffs And Watergate was a “caper”…..;/

  • Noesis

    Scientology leadership likes to give their celebrities medals because they have demonstrated the “courage” to “clean this place up.” It all seems very familiar.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f1c8909a6fae019fc1a95542cca51bb6a446eb4afcca7c105d2208ac406c6402.jpg

    • Noesis

      Then when things don’t go well and a respected 29 year veteran of the Sea Org gives sworn open court testimony about the physical and psychological abuse she received / witnessed in Scientology, the church (which filed the law suit in which she testified) folds its tent and leaves town.

      They did not even cross examine her.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htn1PauZUYs

      • salin

        This can not be posted enough times. Such a start reality.

        • Noesis

          I try not to overdo it…but this clip is one of the best pieces of first-person eye witness documentation that exists about the reality of Scientology, as told by a long term member who was very well known. It puts the lie to church PR.

      • Some years ago when my sister was on OT8 at the Freewinds I sent her the link to that video. Truth Revealed at its best.

    • Robert Eckert

      That’s unfair. The Cowardly Lion had actually done some helpful things.

      • And there was a (satirical) point to the Lion’s decoration. TCs presentation went so far beyond satire, it’s hard to mock it.

    • Techie

      And pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain...(somebody did a great shoop of this but I can’t find it now) http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1335545028_wizard-of-oz-man-behind-the-curtain1.jpg

      • WhiteCentauress

        Probably Obs…

    • BosonStark

      The comparison of those two photos is funny because the lion looks thrilled to get that medal. In contrast, Cruise and Miscavige are posed for a photo op, as he receives his Scientology Oscar for “valor.” They are stuck in their mutual admiration society of two “big being” members.

      • ze moo

        That ‘mutual admiration society’ pissed off a lot of loyal bOrg. It opened many eyes and caused a lot of bOrg to start questioning their reality.

        • WhiteCentauress

          And the “Pissing off” is such a good thing….

      • pluvo

        ” They are stuck in their mutual admiration society of two “big being” members.”

        Yes, mutual admiration. Like Narcissus fell in love with his mirror image, the two Big narcissists Beings are mirroring in each other their bigbeingness.

        http://www.symbology.de/uploads/5/7/3/4/57344523/6529948_orig.png

        • pluvo
          • Qbird

            Assholes. Geez! as if their shit comes wrapped in cellophane.

          • Wow. They appear to do a secret handshake like the Masons.
            Something with the finger. Watch closely.

            • pluvo

              It’s just awkward because normally one doesn’t embrace with a locked handshake.

            • I don’t know, looks like weird finger action.

            • RexAinsfree

              I see the wiggly fingers. Looks to me like Lil Davie-Boy is starting to try to ‘break’ from the handshake, and TC keeps squeezing just a bit longer, as if trying to assert some sort of dominance.

            • Nah, its the Big Beings Sooper Seekrit Handshake.

            • RexAinsfree

              XD

          • Chee Chalker

            I keep waiting for the passionate kiss……

          • balletlady

            DM: What’s this I hear about you starring in a NEW Movie?
            TC: Yes, dear friend I have the starring role in “The Mummy”.
            DM: Oh, my dear friend TC, I am so happy for you, let’ me shake your hand & hug you!!
            TC: Thank you my dear friend & COB as always I am your BIGGEST FAN!!
            DM: So now that you’ve got a new film role…How MUCH can I expect you to donate??””

        • Rasha

          For some reason, I read that as “bagpipes.” Must stop skimming comments at work…..

  • DexterSka
    • ze moo

      Sales ‘philosophies’ are a dime a dozen. And that is what Cardone is worth.

      • DexterSka

        Does he have a delightful deep voice like Tony Robbins?

        • ze moo

          I think he puts out a vibe that can best be described as ‘scumbag’.

    • WhiteCentauress

      We should change it to “The 47X Rule”, “Sell Your Soul”, and “The Grant Cardone Robotic Manual”

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I always add a little laughing emote to Cardone’s ads when I come across one – like some bright spark has obviously done here.

  • ron_burgundy8957

    What is truly amazing about the Scientology human trafficking case and the reaction from the FBI is the lack of direction for those trafficked. Bringing people in from other countries to work low paying jobs is not unusual in this country (have you been to a Chinese restaurant recently?) What tends to happen though is there is something worthwhile in it for the workers. This can include citizenship, good schools for their children, nicer living conditions, eventual meaningful employment, money send home, etc. Of course, this is not true in all cases, but a lot of the people involved don’t necessarily have a problem with what is going on because it is for the better and isn’t long term. Plus they are in a team environment. Scientology offers nothing in return except the “spiritual.” They throw their used members out on the streets sick, barren, and penniless, having never learned any form of trade. I’m genuinely shocked they didn’t make any arrests / asset seizures in this one.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Nope nothing wrong with this….
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b4ea12e26e3772eb764a90c734315878ddc9abea0976993dc1ece5fbe3b33492.jpg

    I’m sorry but it just strains credulity to believe that this case suddenly ended because someone thought it was compromised over a few documents. I know it’s more complicated than that but at it’s surface, that’s the party line and is smells funny when you read stuff like this; stuff we know is going on because this has been mentioned by numerous members. But nope…nothing to see here…move along.

  • It’s tough to describe the mental disconnect that goes on. Celebrity or not every Scientologist very likely sees abuses at one time or another. Seeing that Sea Org member screamed at every day, those malnourished and tired staff walking around like zombies somehow doesn’t sink in enough. Sure, you might have a thought like ‘that is wrong’ or ‘something needs to be done about that’ but that is not always enough to ‘trigger’ things. If you look at reports of those who escaped it’s usually not until something happens to them that the trigger is set.

    I remember back in the early ’90s working at Flag Renos during the renovations of the Clearwater Bank building. There was a girl who worked there and every day her senior would come out like clockwork and stand over her screaming at the top of her lungs at how horrible she was. This upset me and as it went on got me more and more angry. Yet, I did nothing about it. I didn’t dare. I’d lose family, friends, and everything else. Also, somehow it compartments into a ‘just happening here and nowhere else’ sort of thing.

    Then one day the CO CMO (Yeah, that’s about as high as you can get. Commanding Officer of Commodore’s Messenger Org) came in and did the same to me. She stood over me at my desk and started screaming at me. Well, that was enough for me, I stood up, put my face about 4 inches from hers,,, and started screaming back at her. The whole room stopped. Nobody screams, or anything to the CO CMO. Even she was taken aback. She then said nothing, turned and walked out of the room.

    Later I got a call from our daughter Emily who at the time worked directly with Miscavige. She’d heard about my little adventure. I’m sure the only reason I didn’t get declared on the spot was because of her position.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that I still stayed in for another 15 years or so after that. I’d seen stuff. Not pretty stuff. But there are so many mental traps and conditioning, on top of the whole “one day we’ll Clear the planet and all of this bad stuff will be history” that the mind can focus on.

    Getting out of Scientology is the easier part. Getting out of the mindset first is the tough part.

    • Mick Roberts

      Thank you Phil. It’s very interesting to learn about the mentality and the conditioning that takes place from former members. Hopefully soon, you’ll get another call from Emily……one that’s much better.

      • Thanks Mick.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Exactly! Even if they’re treating her nicely to keep her in-line, there’s that constant underlying tension, where when she talks to Mom & Dad, the tension is to be loved & accepted vs. give up on years of conditioning. While the niceties on one side makenitntougher right now, we ALL know where the heart lands long term – otherwise none of these awesome people would be here right now!

    • Bob

      Being around those currently in, its clear that the euphoria juice keeps those brainwashed members able to do a lot on their careers, making them think they are expanding. Just like the Twilight Zone episode “To Serve Man”.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/265169ea7cbb368ff47caed1f4a20837216b73ebceea2829f4b3501aac9c705b.jpg

      • One of their best episodes.

        • Bob

          I agree. Twilight Zone had so many great stories that made you think. We were the idealists ripe for picking. Hubbard knew his public. What a scumbag.

        • Yes. A great surprise, horrifying, hilarious ending.

    • Noesis

      It was person from the CMO screaming while attempting to intimidate me into doing something stupid that led me to stop listening to obvious idiocy and start looking into what outsiders / former members were saying about Scientology. Like others, I found out that what I was experiencing was commonplace, instead of the exception.

      That crap has a very short shelf life and frequently has the opposite effect than what the screamer intends.

    • Chee Chalker

      If I may ask……was Emily under instructions to call you to tell you (directly) to knock it off?
      Or was it more like a ‘COB knows what you did so you better not do that again’ (indirect) type thing?

      • It was more of a ‘what was that about?’ She actually chuckled that I had the audacity to yell at this exec.

        • richelieu jr

          Sadly, given your current circumstances I am sure that is now filed under, “SPs/PTS: Parents: Mine: Father: Early Crimes and Unheeded Warning signs.

          I cannot wait for the day those greedy zealots get their manipulative fingers out of her head and your family’s business.

    • Problem is, as i see it – We learned to “Confront” all this. In my new book – We learned to Ignore this *shit* I will not Ignore this kind of abuse anymore and “confront” is not even a word in this context.

    • WhatAreYourCrimes

      Hell of a church, isn’t it. Dickheads screaming at each other, slapping each other, and grovelling for pennies from spent members who haven’t a penny more to give. May it rot in hell.

  • ExCult.Jan

    Trying to imagine Moss’s response to the casting call description (since she would have never in a billion years read Handmaid’s Tale as a born-in). And how she might wrap her head around it.

    And do cherch members get to watch? That couldn’t be good. *wicked wink*

  • flyonthewall

    I know she isn’t but it still makes me chuckle to imagine that Obs is sitting in a tree

    ETA – in that picture, not just sitting in a tree in general. Although that is also funny to imagine. Hey Obs! Stop messing around in that tree, you’re gonna break your neck!

    • Mick Roberts

      I still chuckle when imagining you all spread eagle on the side of a wall, silently listening in on some very private conversations.

      • flyonthewall

        you imagine me spread eagle? Not judging you but that’s kinda creepy Mick

        • Mick Roberts

          Err wait…..yeah……that didn’t quite come out the right way……

          • gtsix

            Better than a blood eagle… but still. Mick, Mick Mick. tsk tsk.

    • Observer

      I fell 20 feet out of a tree when I was 13. My right leg hooked over the top of a rough 6-foot fence on the way down, taking all the skin off the back of my thigh–I was wearing shorts–from the top of my thigh to my knee, depositing literally hundreds of splinters, and causing me to flip over so that when I fell the remaining 6 feet to the ground I landed on my stomach and had the wind knocked out of me. Once I got it back I’m sure I was heard for miles around. Imagine a skinned knee that covers half your leg. It took weeks to heal and my mom used gallons of Neosporin and cloth diapers as a bandage because those were the only thin big enough to cover it all.

      That log on the ground was the closest I’ve been to up a tree since.

      • flyonthewall

        Christ, I’m sorry Obs.

        • Observer

          It left me with engrams, but fortunately didn’t turn me into a tree murderer like Captain Miscavige.

          • ze moo

            Never piss off an Ent.

            • Rasha

              How would you like it if someone tried to pick your apples?

          • flyonthewall

            the tree might have pushed you. Ever see The Happening? Ever since I saw that movie, I don’t trust trees

            • Observer

              I’m pretty sure I wasn’t trying to off myself.

      • Sherbet

        Yikes! Poor Observer!

        • Observer

          Fortunately it was during the summer so I didn’t have to try to sit in class.

          • Sherbet

            fly feels bad for you, but he still wants to see the scar.

            • Observer

              The scar disappeared after about 5 years. The memory lingers. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

            • flyonthewall

              can you imagine if you were a Scientologist and that happened to you? Your mom would of made you press your mangled leg up against the fence repeatedly until it “didn’t hurt anymore”. *shudder*

      • Time for falling-out-of-trees stories, I guess.
        About the same age, maybe 10. Tall poplar tree in the back yard. Had to be 30 feet or more.
        Loved to get to the very top where you could see for miles, even the drive-in 2 miles away.
        And sway. Loved to sway.
        One day fell from the very top. Going down head first. Likely death imminent.
        Caught myself by the crook of my leg, like you, on the very last branch.
        Nary a scratch.

        • Observer

          Wow!

      • Mooser42001

        I was fascinated by pulleys and block-and-tackle as a youngster, so I improvised a pulley with which I could hoist myself up to the branch of a tree. The rope (thickish twine, actually) broke. I fell to earth I knew not where.

      • Rasha

        Owie owie owie….. Childhood adventures are frightening in the retelling…. best story I got is the time I fell off a 40-foot ladder…

        …good thing I was on the bottom rung at the time….

        *runs to corner and hides behind sofa cushion*

        • Observer

          ๐Ÿ˜‚ .

      • Chee Chalker

        One time I fell into a garbage depository type thing (not really a can) and knocked myself out.
        I always wondered what would have happened had it been garbage day

        • Observer

          ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

  • Bob
  • Boston Terrier Dad

    Does Scientology try to use Maritime law to justify their long work hour rules for the Sea Org? We recently went on a cruise, and we were struck by how poor the morale was among the workers, nearly 100% of whom were foreign. They work for 6 months at a time, 7 days a week, 11 -12 hours daily, for low wages and “room and board”. This is apparently protected by maritime work rules which are much more lenient to the employer than land-based rules. Just wondering how much of this plays into what the government looked at when they decided to drop the suit. (our cruise was not a cheap one, it was hosted by that other iconic company headquartered in Florida and California)

  • WhiteCentauress
  • Bert Allen

    Love the FBI reports outtakes.

  • TexasBroad

    Has there been anything that clearly states that Richard Rojas’ “interest” in Scientology means that he was a member or interested in being a member – or that the literature found were Scientology publications? I am still not sure whether he was interested in pursuing Scientology or if, like me, has a whole bookshelf of books about Scientology, but which are critical of it.
    I mean, I currently have TUML and Steve Cannane’s Fair Game in my backseat.

    • salin

      Reads like he had growing mental problems, was self-medicating, and was encouraged to seek mental health counseling – but never did. Those threads make me guess that he was dabbling/exploring as a means to get help – but the fact that he was doing some drugs suggest he wasn’t heavily involved. All conjecture on my part.

    • Mick Roberts

      I have not seen anything definitive yet clarifying what type of “interest” he has in it, and I’ve been checking the news on that every few hours. Until there is anything more definitive other than generalized statements such as him being “interested” and “obsessed”, any connection he might have with the organization is just speculation at this time.

      • TexasBroad

        It will be interesting to see. If his lack of proper mental health treatment is a result of his belief in Scientology or any connection to CCHR – that will be another heartbreaking (and infuriating) aspect to the story.

  • GrangerFX

    Mike RInder’s blog had a leak about what will be on SMP when it goes live. A bunch of Canadians lip syncing country music. Get excited! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a38268d2cf1176a1987b4fac24eb07c0678fbbe9ce942df9951a59fec37440e.jpg

    • WhiteCentauress

      YeeeeeeeeeeHaw! (Hurls)
      LOL at “Ideal” Country Lip-Sync…

    • SNAFU
    • GrangerFX

      This is what is really going on: The SMP crew will capture video of the Canadians as they sing along with country music doubtless moving or dancing to the music. This is a great way to get b-roll of people that can be used to make Scientology appear like a fun time to be had by all. It is all smoke and mirrors.

      • Chee Chalker

        Hey Tom Cruise said Scientology is just so….much….fun
        So it has to be true
        It’s both deadly serious and fun

    • EmmaDaoust

      I have never been prouder to be Canadian.

      • Kestrel

        Are you suggesting Cambridge is not a hotbed of country music aficionados who will know the words to the songs? Maybe they can balance this out by having what’s left of the Dallas Ideal Org lip-sync Justin Bieber tunes.

        • EmmaDaoust

          It’s in semi-rural Ontario, Mennonite territory. There’s lots of country music played all over, even here in swanky Toronto. Who is this Justin Bieber you speak of?

  • Harpoona Frittata

    Tony asks: “And keep in mind, although Scientology celebrities do get pampered,
    weโ€™ve demonstrated repeatedly that they are generally aware of the
    conditions in the Sea Org โ€” could Moss really have delivered these lines
    without thinking of what her own church is accused of?”

    Yes, she almost certainly was not having explicit, conscious thoughts about the parallels between her character’s mistreatment and denial of basic human human/civil rights and the very similar plight of $ea Org staff.

    How could that possibly be, many will be sure to wonder.

    Celebrity Center-worthy $cilons like Moss are part of the cult’s “petting zoo,” in which it’s most high-profile artists, musicians, actors, writers, etc. are pampered and insulated almost completely from the daily reality of $ea Org staff members’ lives on the Int Base in not-Hemet and from what goes on in the bowels of the Fort Harrison with RPF slaves . As a result, they are “generally aware” of what others who are no longer cherch members have said about their negative experiences within the $ea Org, but they do not have any direct experience of actually witnessing current $ea Org staff being abused and mistreated in their presence (i.e., no direct first-hand knowledge). Plus, to discuss such enturbulating “rumors” among her fellow celebs is completely disallowed and, within the snitch culture of $cn, would be reported almost immediately and result in her being sent to ethics, then to sec checking, for some very costly regrooving.

    Thus, the kind of second-hand source reports from trusted friends and associates that would normally be available to her within other groups that don’t prohibit such discussions, aren’t available to her either. Still worse, even a $cilon’s private thoughts can become “thought crimes” when discovered during metered sec checking, so every individual learns to self-censor any thoughts of doubt or disagreement out of reflexive fear of punishment or sanction. Second and third gen cult members learn all that and much more by osmosis, during their upbringing within a very high-demand, high-control group that their parents have bought into so fully that it seems the only possible reality that even exists.

    If the very poignant and obviously heart-felt and sincere stories of abused and falsely imprisoned former $ea Org staff members – such as those whose stories have been so movingly highlighted in Leah’s series – come to their direct attention and seem credible to them, then all manner of indoctrinated rationalizations prevent them from seeing those anecdotal accounts as being the norm. If they did occur, then, in the mind of a true believer $cilon, they represent an anomaly or aberration which, while being undeniably unacceptable, represent only a tiny fraction of the (supposed) millions of $cilons world-wide, whose experiences are quite the opposite.

    In the minds of those like Moss. who have not directly experienced or been first-hand witness to the cherch’s crimes and abuses, whatever injustice or mistreatment of parishioners that may have actually occurred to this extremely small number of ex-members are a thing of the past (which, no doubt, has been corrected by now) and were the result of the off-policy actions of individual $ea Org superiors whose actions are not in line with how $cn is supposed to be run.

    The ultimate fall-back rationalization that enables $cilon celebs like Moss to continue to be Good Germans is the understanding that $ea Org staff members are free to leave if, for whatever reasons, they no longer wish to be part of the organization. Like many non-$cientologists who are unaware of how long-term mind control and thought reform methods work to create a “prison of belief,” Moss and her fellow $cn “petting zoo” celebs and whales are kept blissfully unaware of exactly how the $ea Org operates as a “cult within a cult”.

    The same situation obtained within the RC Church prior to the extent, duration and severity of its pedophile priest scandal becoming widely publicized and, ultimately, dealt with by the courts, in both civil and criminal proceedings. Before that huge bubble was finally punctured, many folks, including myself, had been aware of wide-spread sexual and physical abuse within the church for years. What finally pushed that awareness of unconscionable and criminal behavior beyond the tipping point – where everyone became aware of the depth and degree to which it involved the church’s power hierarchy in cover up and obstruction of justice – was its continuing exposure by the media and through individual court cases being publicized over time.

    That’s exactly what’s occurring with the Co$ now… in the media, in the courts and at the water cooler, where low-info “wogs” are having their consciousness raised concerning the vile acts and systematized abuses that are, and have always been, at the very dark heart of this killer cult’s actions and inviolable doctrines. It’s happening at a growing pace, through television series like Leah’s series and the many fine books written by former cult members and reputable journalists and authors, as well as through the dedicated efforts of folks like Tony O. and everyone who contributes to this blog by telling their own stories and providing first-hand witness accounts of the crimes and abuses within the cherch.

    Second and third gen $cilons who were raised within the cherch have the same kind of deep emotional and early developmental attachment to the cult that children of Roman Catholic families have, which makes it very, very difficult for them to confront how something that they’ve been indoctrinated to believe represents pure good could be responsible for such pure evil…it’s exactly the same for $cn’s truest of true believers!

    For Offred Moss to wake up to the fact that the fictional dystopian future that she’s portraying in this film adaptation of “A Handmaid’s Tale” is, in reality, a very close parallel to the present as it exists within the Co$ will take as long as it takes, but I have no doubt that, just as the solid wall of total denial within the RC church finally fell, so too will folks like Moss finally wake up to the evil that her cherch has been responsible for perpetrating and perpetuating. Until then, every one of us former true believers would do well to recall a time when we were just as duped and deceived as she is.

    Indeed, taking a part like this one almost seems like an unconscious plea for help in her inner quest to reconcile her childhood indoctrination into the Co$ with the accumulating evidence of what it truly is, by putting those fixed beliefs and received ideas into such direct and public juxtaposition with reality that a crisis of faith is bound to occur. When it does, we’ll be here to cushion her re-entry into the real world and to empathize with the utter emotional and psychological devastation that often accompanies waking up to the reality of what the corporate cherch is really all about and how completely we were all conned.

    When it does, we’ll also be here to tell her all about the full history of $cn and the actual biography of its founder. Until then, the old adage derived from another faith, “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” would seem to apply in the case of Offred Moss, a $cilon “handmaiden” who’s yet to realize how closely her fictional role is an accurate portrayal of the real-life existence of those who continue to be trapped in the prison of their own beliefs within $cn.

    • sizzle8

      Celebrities may be “generally aware” of conditions in the SO but they don’t routinely see the behind the scenes aspects.
      They don’t see the SRA’s, the face ripping, the product conferences, the actual 12 bunks to a room, the pay stubs or the RPF living quarters and food.
      Ocasionally, when auditing an SO preclear, they do hear the gory details directly and then mental gymnastics are required to look the other way.
      After all, the whole agonized future of the planet is at stake.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Exactly! With the fate of this sector of the universe in peril, only an SP would fail to join the $ea Org!

  • WhiteCentauress

    “I play a hero in movies” Tom Cruise

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5c256469c754cc7b4e28702deb20e214204f5ca8d81fb1d0d8ba683899dfcaed.jpg

    BE a hero…..Escape is an option…

    • Graham

      Not for Tom it’s not. Sadly, once you get the full set of Borg implants you belong to the $cam for life.

  • nottrue
    • WhiteCentauress

      Speaking of “Heroes”..

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Praise Xenu…Nick X. for Intergalactic Overlord!

    • Glen

      The following is the headline to this story:

      “Former ‘students’ claim core focus of Australian drug rehabilitation centre is converting addicts to Scientologists”

      This aspect of Narconon always leaves me with questions. I understand the money making focus of Narconon, charging huge fees for their suspect, if not downright destructive, treatment plan. But I don’t understand this recruitment angle. I know of many people who have overcome severe substance abuse problems to have wonderful, successful lives. I don’t think this is the majority, however. And the ones that suffer this illness and go through the cycles of recovery and relapse tend to not have a lot of money. It doesn’t seem like a likely recruitment pool for $ci. Just not enough money to suck up and potential big problems along the way.

      • AntoniaW

        EVERYONE has money to suck up if you press hard enough. Hell, if you can raise a few hundred dollars a week somehow for crystal meth or cocaine or whatever your drug of choice, you can certainly do the same for the Cherch. And if you can’t, your parents or aunties or brothers can. And then there are the weekly “treatment” fees, which will run into the thousands.

    • madame duran

      ROCK ON, XENOPHON!!! *fist pump*

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Melissa Paris is live right now with Chris Crimy. Go here and click the top link: “Come Get Sum Extra: Scientology LIVE With Melissa Paris!!!”

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cgshere

    ETA. Whoa, Melissa’s treatment as a child in Scientology was brutal.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Thanks Poppet

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        You’re welcome, my love! I can’t believe what was done to her. They’ve moved on from discussing her beatings at Scientology school but Chris will post a link to the full podcast once the live show is over.

        • AntoniaW

          Look forward to that. I managed to listen to about 5 minutes – her aged 14 with nowhere to go – and was appalled. Thanks for the link. What an excellent tough girl she is.

    • flyonthewall

      sounds like she’s getting really annoyed with the host

      • AntoniaW

        The host didn’t seem to have a grip on pauses / delays between phrases & questions; frustrating.

        • I was done live . A last moment decision yesterday.

          • AntoniaW

            That figures. In any event, it was thoroughly informative (and distressing).

            • Thank you.. i know he was looking forward to this interview and Melissa is doing a good job coming forward again with her approach on things.

    • Qbird
  • nottrue
    • ombrifuge

      Does the price include the current RPF’ers as sitting tenants?

      • ze moo

        Tenants have rights, RPFers have none.

        • ombrifuge

          True!

  • GoneToPlaid

    O/T But the BBC has an article today about the positive use of ECT in children http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39961472

  • Jgg2012

    The thing to realize about Handmaid’s Tale is that, while it is fictitious (occurring in the US after
    a religious sect overthrows the government), these abuses can and do occur in some repressive governments
    such as Yemen and parts of Nigeria. In some countries, oppressed people have no rights and may not even have names. And yes, the Sea Org has some of these features (forced abortions, 80 hour work weeks, rape victims are told that they caused their crime).

    • AntoniaW

      Human rights abuses occur in vast swathes of the world – I’ve spent half my working life in the Middle East, so Yemen & parts of Nigeria seem to me just the tip of the iceberg. Sometimes I am amazed at how the inhabitants of our small part of the globe – America, Europe, parts of Australasia – imagine that the rest of the world thinks and behaves like us. It doesn’t.

      But these abuses are largely a function of poor governance, low literacy rates & a whole raft of poverty-related problems that are far too complicated to tackle in an online post. The point is that they are vanishingly rare in democratic countries with a high material standard of living. They – and therefore Scientology – are an affront to the society we live in.

  • I can think of another rรดle that would suit Elizabeth Moss perfectly:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c903c7453840a41d600f1aa41aeca35b64eebd42cecc6ecc66d5f4f6b34f3890.jpg

    • Rasha

      XD

  • davegrille

    The COS is dystopian fiction made real.

  • Mockingbird

    I knew The Handmaid’s Tale is seen as ominous now with Christian supremacists gaining more and more power. The alarming similarities to the abusive and totalitarian nature of Scientology are often overlooked now as comparisons to the public relations challenged current US regime keep popping up (perhaps Tommy Davis can give Sean Spicer a few pointers !)

    Now in the US about ninety percent of all media gets tied to the current regime, whether pro, anti or neutral. That’s giving Scientology a bit of cover so to speak. Miscavige can see this as a golden opportunity. If everyone is looking at someone else they may not look at him. For Scientology watchers the stories of abuse and crimes never end .

    But the people most strongly affected are the Scientology cult members and their families. These people are getting hurt, used, abused, lied to and denied their loved ones sadly whether the media exposes that or not.

    Fortunately Leah Remini will keep informing millions of people through her show and if the media ever stops constant non-stop coverage of one topic other issues will get attention too. All that requires is honesty, competence, humility, compassion, discretion and sound judgment from the US president to end the parade of gaffes that the press must follow. Obviously as new information comes regarding crimes that must be covered too. But if no crimes ever occurred and no one lied about it hopefully it will die down, if not it will keep going and going.

  • In Q1 2017, Scientology’s lobbyist Greg Mitchell was banging on: U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, State – Dept of (DOS), U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, White House Office.

    I wonder how he got on at the White House? I still have to boil down the issues he was covering. He’s an OMG wordy SOB, and I think that must be his stat for getting paid.

    http://disclosures.house.gov/ld/ldxmlrelease/2017/Q1/300871730.xml

    • ze moo

      “he noticed adverse attitudes towards some non-traditional religious communities.” While Mitchell was talking about Kazakhstan, he seems to represent several ‘non-traditional religious communities’. Looks like Mitchell is using the State Department to flog the $cieno horse. Or is that clam?

      • “On behalf of 28 organizations and individuals, including the client,”

        Mitchell also runs a “International Religious Freedom Roundtable” which safe-points Scientology with other groups. They help out with causes that may or may not concern Scientology in return for favors.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The scriptwriters of ‘Handmaid’ no doubt get their inspiration from reality. It’s their job to look for information they could use. Such as information about abuses in certain organisations, ‘alleged’ of not, denied or not. I don’t think that Elisabeth could easily link the dystopia of The Handmaid’s Tale to the reality of the abuses in the Sea Org or Scientology in general. Unfortunately, for us reading here the similarities are striking!

    “Is this the real life?
    Is this just fantasy?
    Caught in a landslide (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/87a6e35d621ef860475d8aef0b7fc61ee9e95b442a151beaf16bf852d51415ac.gif

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Someone said today was some sort of Pun Day.

    Is overboarding a clam dunk?

    Does $cientology have a conscience about their con science?

    People were wondering about Johnny Tank’s whereabouts yesterday.
    I say they should quit dogging a fled Norse.

    I am finding the results of my ongoing inquiry into the abject state of
    $cientology’s Mission network to be so sweet that I felt compelled to
    make myself a honey dipper yesterday.
    It’s from a branch of my old lilac bush.
    I have never worked lilac before now and love the purples and cream
    and shades of brown.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5f4d19379e30f428104d19e6f0218495a031000234923db580d56d244c63f9b.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d5e6ed38a7191a7d0af3ae3d606daa4b12568ca6fb9416cdc213a95a64b2f11.jpg

    I’ll bet DM is tasting a lot of bitter these days ๐Ÿ™‚

    • TexasBroad

      You are so funny, Punopea!

  • I don’t know how it escaped me that Elisabeth Moss is a Scientologist. I am disappointed. I love the show Mad Men.

  • Shivani33

    Lindsay Kupfer interviewed Moss and quoted her in the N. Y. Post, 4/21/17. Moss was likely not going to talk about Scientology, so let’s talk about sex (scenes) baby. That sells, right?

    Moss: “Sex scenes are always f__king awkward….They’re always the worst. This is actually not as awkward because you have clothes on….So normally when you do sex scenes, you have to pretend to like it….In (The Handmaid’s Tale) all the embarrassment and awkwardness can totally be on your face, so it was fine”

    • gtsix

      you have to pretend to like it..

      Actors have to act? No fuckin way!

    • Shivani33

      Well, I typed this awkwardness out in parent pickup, and the line started moving before I could leave a sarcastic remark. Maybe it’s for the best. Hahahahahaha. Happy Friday!

      • Philbyification

        The marriage to SNL Comic “Fred” looked pretty awkward!! lol

        • Liberated

          Yeah, that was pretty bizarre.

          • Philbyification

            Indeed. HE took all the blame for the break-down! LOLOL

  • This Woman we need to hear more from.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RVnpk3a0WQ

    • pluvo

      We did: “Another Indie Goes All the Way: Simi Valley Ditches Scientology For Good”

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/01/another-indie-goes-all-the-way-simi-valley-ditches-scientology-for-good/

      • flyonthewall

        simi used to comment here time to time. It was funny when I asked her why she wore a hijab and gave her salaam.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          Maybe she changed her ID here to Kishmir Am-Tuchas?

          • flyonthewall

            I haven’t seen anyone by that name post here

        • UhLasare

          I saw her post a day or so ago.

      • Thank’s

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I heartily agree: $cientology hijacks your good intentions and sidetracks whatever career ambitions you had before. In addition to their other abuses, they’ve ruined thousands of young lives this way.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Much important information is disseminated in parking garages.

  • 3feetback-of-COS
  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    2022: More than 3,000 Scientologists and local dignitaries including Mr. Willie Poole, Assistant Sanitation Engineer for Plymouth, attended the opening of the Plymouth Standard Unrenovated Ideal Org. COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige could not attend due to his extended commitment to deliver Scientology to his fellow long term residents inside the US Federal Penitentiary in Leavenworth, Kansas. IAS members are urged to donate to COB’s canteen fund in order that he may obtain trading goods while he is a guest of the US Government.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/597b1554ec61e23611ff4f36faaeeb58a8ce171bfbb67869198ddbbd89fb4452.png

    • ze moo

      Bubba sez dm has a pretty mouth. Can he squeal like a pig?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Not a chance… by 2022, that building is much more likely to look like this… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14c8d7887fb38630a60ac8af176148db1b4176c9046fb30b3595995f50506d46.jpg … due to its ongoing architectural vandalism ๐Ÿ™

      • Rasha

        …then they abandon it as “not Ideal enough”….

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          The new category of “Standard Unrenovated Ideal Orgs” has been created to allow COB to open unimproved Orgs due to a lack of local money being fundraised. Our next slated Standard Unrenovated Ideal Org to be grand opened is the Woomsley Arms Ideal Org. Located in Woomsley, New Brunswick, this Org will not be staffed in order to keep costs down.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/86607ba7c4735b38a80ba5886083484248efe78bc28227d4950752c13f0326af.jpg

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            That reminds me of the old NY org in the Hotel Martinique on West 32 st. in the 1970s

          • April

            Holy shit. That building looks like it’s going to fall down at any moment.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Hey! Stop being a dream stealer! Our firm OT postulate is that this rotting dump doesn’t collapse in a high wind.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Clearly you know nothing of late Victorian building practices, sir… high wind… Baaaaaahahahahahaha!!! A genteel fart in the general direction would do the job at the moment!

      • GrangerFX

        It looks like it buried about 100,000 Scientologists when it fell.

  • Ree..Pete

    Hello Bunkerues…. I’m a never-in and have been following all things $ci for about 8 months (full disclosure my wife and family think I’m obsessed and crazy) I’m 40 and a social media newbie,I don’t have a Facebook or Twitter or anything, I’m really stepping out of my comfort zone signing up for discus. I figure the less I sign up for stuff “on the line” the less “the man”can watch me lol. Anyway I read the Bunker/Rinder daily and most days make it through most of the 1000+ comments(it’s like a part time job). For some reason today I grew a pair and decided I’m finally going to jump in and sign up mostly because I want to be able to up vote comments. Fly,Jimmy,Obs,Andrea,Rasha,Phil,Zeemoo,nola girl and Pan r some of my favorites but I truly appreciate all of the people on this blog. I find its full of extremely intelligent folks and I feel out of my league most of the time, with all that said today’s article on Liz Moss made me laugh because 2 days ago my mom called and asked if we had Hulu I told her no and she said to get it so we can watch Hand Maids Tale… my response “No way mom, are you serious, that girl is a scientologist, I’m not watching that crap and neither should you.!!! She responded with a big chuckle and said “well it’s still a good show” I told her it’s helping support a real life destructive,abusive cult and I won’t be tuning in LOL all of this was said light heartedly and she continued to laugh as she hung up(like I said my family thinks and knows I’m obsessed with all things anti $ci). In closing I want to say a big THANK YOU to all of you in the bunker, especially TO for putting up such a wonderful site. I hope someday soon to see the end of family disconnection and to the imprisonment of Dingo Misscabbage. ((((Off to lurk in the background)))) ๐Ÿ˜ธ๐Ÿ˜ปโค yay I made a comment maybe my hands will stop shaking now…. much respect and love.

    • Qbird

      You’re Okay, Ree..Pete.
      Good job on making of a Disqus acct. I remember very well how it felt the 1st time I posted.
      Yep, shakin’
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c953fa9a0e5ac6fa93973b0662bed56c5f31bf344e9a8a8a3ccb7d527b3f1a0.jpg
      but no more hidin’

      eta: see the Great Grey Owl in them there trees?

      • Ree..Pete

        Thanks Q bird, I feel like I accomplished something lol (I know I didn’t) but called my wife and told her I finally commented and her response “oh great, don’t become some fanatic”….too late hehe

        • Qbird

          again, totally understand. My husband thinks I’m a bit of a nut bc of this Scn. watching thing too. [course he thought that when he met me as well! oh well :)]

        • Be warned – if you tell anyone of your interest, they will automatically assume that you are telling them that you are a Scientologist, and express concern for you.

          You have to make it very clear that you study them but are actually opposed to their practices. Just today, I had to say to someone very clearly, “no – I campaign against them” before they got the message. They were relieved.

      • Bo

        It took me forever, but I found it. It really blends in with the tree. Did you take that photo?

      • GfldedKim

        Nature…amazing

    • April

      Hi Ree. Welcome to the Bunker commenting community. You did well for a first post.

    • Delraye

      Me too. Never-in and out of my league. These people are awesome! And I like that I can quietly up vote. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Qbird

        that works too. all good.

      • salin

        Nah, we only play “You Don’t Have the Rank To Ask!” as mocking the Leah experience at TC wedding – I haven’t found an in league or out of league here. You are welcome to read, upvote, and speak anytime you like. Welcome flipZByrd.

      • Rasha

        As a never-in myself, I’ve learned so much here, and now look forward to the mailings that I used to dread for years (having only done one “Personality Test” many, many years ago). I just send them to Tony! ^_^

        It is a very important topic, though. Do jump in with questions and comments!!! ^_^

      • TexasBroad

        Welcome flipZByrd!

      • Juicer77

        You’re most certainly part of this mixed up league ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Baby

        Awesome..? Are you sure you’ve been lurking Byrd? hahhhahha .. Welcome !

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15df505e3111961ab155afe5f8fb7f4dd430dd5db510eb63c9f19e02db7ce1b7.gif

    • Puget Buckeye

      I know exactly how you feel! I lurked here for a couple of years before I had the nerve to jump in a couple of weeks ago. I never thought I had much to contribute (maybe I don’t) but like you, I wanted to be able to register my up votes. From one newbie to another, welcome.

      • salin

        Glad you joined in the on going conversation in the comments section Puget Buckeye!

    • salin

      Welcome aboard – Glad you ‘found your voice.’ It is far easier to get a better understanding when you become comfortable ‘speaking’ and asking questions (esp like all the crazy lingo and acronyms). Echoing QBird.

    • Rasha

      Hey, Ree…Pete! We’ve been doin’ a lot of shiftin’ here on the Bunker Sofa, and it keeps gettin’ longer! Plenty of room!! ^_^ Thanks for decloaking!!!!

      • Ree..Pete

        ……snuggles in between Rasha and Fly…… it’s nice here pass that J

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I thought that said “We’ve been doing alot of shittin’ here on the Bunker Sofa”.
        Speak for yourself, I’ve been house-trained for a few months now, dammit.

        • Rasha

          LOL!!!

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Welcome ReePeet. As an ex, I personally appreciate all the support and understanding, especially from those who were fortunate enough to be a never-in.’

      ETA, No need to be shy. We all learn from each other’s experiences and point of view!

    • iampissed

      Dingo Misscabbage….your off to a good start, Welcome.

    • otviii2late

      Welcome!

    • Sherbet

      I bid you welcome, even though I’m not one of your favorites. //scowls at Ree..Pete//

      • Draco

        I also didn’t make the grade. Let’s go and have a drinkie at the bar…

        • Sherbet

          You got it, Dragon Gal.

        • daisy

          I made a comment too. That poor poster will be teased forever or at least until tomorrow when I forget about this. As for the drinkie at the bar where the hell have you been . I am up by 3.

      • gtsix

        Right! Welcome schmelcome. I’m buying the next round!

        • Sherbet

          Ha! At least we like ourselves.

      • Baby
      • richelieu jr

        Count me three!

    • Bo

      Welcome to the bunker. Those of us didn’t get an honorable mention will buy you a drink if you come to HowdyCon.

      • Ree..Pete

        Thanks Bo I’m actually from Denver, born and raised but now reside in the AZ, if i hadn’t just taken a week long cruise and 4 days in New Orleans, I would be at howdy for sure, still might try to hop a flight Saturday night and take u up on that drink. Tell the wife I need to go see my brothers and the nieces and nephews lol

    • TexasBroad

      Welcome Ree…Pete!

    • Marshall

      Welcome! That’s exactly why I started posting. My family simply roll their eyes at the mere mention of
      Scientology :}

    • Kimmy3

      Welcome! But don’t sell yourself short. Look at it this way, you didn’t have to grow a pair because they they simply dropped! Ok, balls to the wall and post away.

    • PeaceMaker

      Ree..Pete, welcome.

      I wouldn’t quite equate watching a TV show, with going out and buying a ticket for a movie starring a Scientologist. Moss also does not seem to me to be one of the celebrities really promoting Scientology. And she grew up in it, which means it is all she has known, and presumably then that she has family still in and at risk of disconnection – putting her in a complicated situation that is hard to judge. Who knows, the role could even be an act of subtle rebellion on her part.

      Particularly in this case, since the show touches on very timely themes of totalitarianism, I’d say that the opportunity to watch it and discuss it with others, and perhaps use it as an opportunity to discuss Scientology, outweighs any downsides.

      • Ree..Pete

        Good points I like it thanks for posting this, Im really open to this idea.. but I’m still never watching a Tom Tom movie even on cable lol

    • GfldedKim

      Wow. Awesome comment. I feel the same way. Def some incredibly smart and oh so funny peeps on this blog. Welcome!

    • Jeb Burton

      I would suggest you get the hell out of here. You’re prime recruiting meat for the ASC. Before you know it, you’ll be obsessed with all things anti-scientology. It will consume you. I was that way once. Thanks to some deprogrammers, I was able to leave the bunker and get on with a normal life.

      • Jeb Burton

        Everyone In the ASC will welcome you to the bunker and then invite you to Howdy Con, err Com. That is where the ASC does their secret initiation rituals. Godspeed Ree.

        • GrangerFX

          Welcome Jeb to the AASCC. There may need to be one more C in there since Scientology is also a cult.

      • GrangerFX

        Do you have their phone numbers?

    • Juicer77

      Welcome!

    • Baby

      It took me so long to get the nerve up to post.. I am a Never in and thought I had nothing to add.. and it was a smaller group back then and it seemed they were kind of cliquey .. ( Now was my opinion..) but maybe not.. maybe it was because I wasn’t part of their crowd..

      All I know I was shaky too.. but settled right in. Welcome Pete.. We IS Crazy.. but you know that already..ha

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ae8dd58af5b9557f8f9980fc85b12c3adc5246ca1d085d8b798a7a9869da9d1.gif

      • Ree..Pete

        Thanks Baby and big thanks to all of the Bunkerues for the warm welcome, hopefully some days I can add something meaningful to the conversations.. ps only took me 20 minutes to figure out this avatar thing once I got home to the computer.. meet Helios he’s one 3 he has broken out
        his wig and honeybee tie he’s ready for business…

        • Baby

          awwwwwwwwwwwwww he is so cute! you know we love us some Kittehs and Dawggggggies.. xo

    • daisy

      Welcome from one of your not favorites. I am glad you decided to comment. I also have friends and family who think I am obsessed , especially when I first started following it as well. Nola is the bar tender. ( that is why she is my favorite )

  • Jimmy3

    LEAVE PEGGY ALONE!!!!!!

    • flyonthewall

      oh thank god, I was starting to think you were dead. You’re not though…right?

      • Jimmy3

        Just inside
        All my parts still work

        • flyonthewall

          damn it, I hate it when you get all emo. Never go full emo

          • Jimmy3

            I am very nice and I say nice things to people and they are very nice but then they stop being very nice and don’t say any things to me and I am a fragile flower. Does that make sense?

            • flyonthewall

              I understand. *hugs*

              It’s kind of like when someone you thought was cool and you buy them a yummy sandwich and invite them to your house even though you don’t really know them and then they skip your comments and upvote others in the thread just bc they teased you a bit last night and made you mad. Like that?

            • Supper Powers

              Hahahahha!!!!!! No way Fly! I love you big!!!!

            • flyonthewall

              i so busted you

            • AntoniaW

              Well, this is all a hell of an improvement on Wednesday evening. So nice when “what did I miss?” is just a little interbunker fun.

            • Supper Powers

              That was my best exasperated laugh and shock of the day, though.

            • Jimmy3

              Sorta. I don’t know anyone that mean tho.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Just curious. What kind of sandwich are we talking about here?

            • Supper Powers

              Seriously delicious hot salami which embarrasses me to say but not to eat.

            • Jimmy3

              I was thinking “what kind of sandwich?” could lead to something dirty, but you said “hot salami”, so it’s okay.

            • flyonthewall

              hot salami. Little local favorite round these parts

            • Chee Chalker

              Wow what did I miss?

            • Jimmy3

              He was teasing Supper Powers

            • Chee Chalker

              He is a rascal

            • flyonthewall

              that was just not-so passive aggressive fly giving supper some trouble ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • gtsix
    • salin

      Doesn’t look good.

    • Philbyification

      Yes but only to the “coup tweeters” ….ffs

  • Supper Powers
  • Ree..Pete

    I do have one quick question?? In my months down the rabbit hole the one thing I can’t find any background on and seems to come up on occasion is What’s with Jenna Elfmorg and the horse? Not sure I really want the answer but I’m going to ask anyway

    • Supper Powers

      On her podcast she said she would blow a horse if she could stay home and watch Netflix all day. She’s charming. And apparently has a big mouth.

      • Ree..Pete

        Oh Charming is right WOW, between her and Krusty scientology must be so proud

        • Puget Buckeye

          I agree. Most of the time when you see a picture of Kristy, she’s got a sour look on her face or she’s flipping someone off or both. Then you’ve got Jenna saying foul stuff like that and thinking it’s so funny and clever. Neither one a favorable representative.

    • Jimmy3

      On her lame podcast/vlog show with her hubby she was talking about how much she loves Netflix. And she said she’d blow a horse to be able to watch Netflix all day. So in typical Bunker fashion, that became a stable meme.

      • Vaquera

        iswydt

    • Vault Digger

      The “horse blowing” podcast was first posted in an article here (scroll to bottom of article) http://tonyortega.org/2015/07/23/the-church-of-scientology-a-rollicking-legacy-of-belligerence-profanity-paranoia-and-violence/

  • AntoniaW

    Perhaps some of us might like to set this fool called Cathy Salustri straight:-

    “OK, OK, before you rush to the comments section to remind my why you think Scientology is evil, let me stop you: I don’t care. The Catholic church is no better and don’t get me started on the evangelical agenda in this country. This is a benefit for the Church of Scientology’s inner city youth and family programs. You don’t have to hold two cans or get audited, but if you’ve always wondered what it looks like inside this grand hotel, now’s your chance.”
    http://www.cltampa.com/arts-entertainment/a-e-events/article/20862142/adventures-in-weekending-10-things-to-do-in-clearwater-this-weekend

    • “This is a benefit for the Church of Scientology’s inner city youth and family programs.”

      Applied Scholastics, Study Tech and Narconon (relabeled Drug-Free World)?

    • JaxNGold

      Unbelievable. What an idiot this woman is. She says she “doesn’t care” about how evil $cientology is because “the Catholic Church is no better” and blah blah blah. So because one church has committed horrible abuses we should turn a blind eye to any religion commiting atrocities?? What a damned fool.

      • Sherbet

        I’m monitoring the article to see if anyone comments on her ignorance.

        • AntoniaW

          Good luck – for some reason I couldn’t register to comment (is it because I’m in the UK?).

          • Sherbet

            I don’t know. That doesn’t seem likely, but I’m not savvy about this stuff.

            • AntoniaW

              I agree but when I click on comments, it just flips me off down the page. Can you / anyone else comment?

            • Sherbet

              I don’t have FB, Twitter, or LinkedIn.

            • AntoniaW

              Oh! I have all 3 but for some reason I can’t comment. Any thoughts?

            • Sherbet

              No, ma’am. If anyone can get through, though, it’s you. You’re persistent.

            • AntoniaW

              OK I’ve resorted to their FB page:
              https://www.facebook.com/cltampabay

              Antonia W Hi, just calling you out on your Cathy Salustri article http://www.cltampa.com/…/adventures-in-weekending-10… encouraging people to turn up at the Scientology event. Are you not following info on their human rights abuses? This is wholly unacceptable.
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            • RexAinsfree

              I’m super tired … no sleep last night … I read that as “I don’t have FB, Litter, or Twinkedin.”
              I need helpppp pp and sleee eee ppppp

        • JaxNGold

          Just curious — did anyone comment on the writer’s absurd stance? I can’t seem to get back on to that article. My computer has been giving me grief lately.

      • Observer

        The Catholic Church is a lot better. They run actual charities which help people of all faiths or no faith.

        • JaxNGold

          Agreed.

        • Kestrel

          Catholic Charities made a huge difference as a relative lived out her final days. and she didn’t believe in anything. You can be sure the Cof$ would not have been there. She wasn’t “able” enough.

      • AntoniaW

        – totally agree, except that the Cherch of Scientology ain’t really a religion – it’s a pyramid sales scam – and the Catholic Church is actually a hell of a lot better, despite failures. This false equivalence argument is not helpful.

        • JaxNGold

          Absolutely. $cientology is no religion. I was just pointing out how dumb her argument is.

  • Observer

    Today I found out that one of my coworkers is a survivor of the Rwandan genocide.

    He was a child at the time. One day during the height of it his mother told him she was renaming him Innocent, hoping that nobody would kill a child with that name.

    Miraculously, it worked.

    He lost almost all of his family. One sister survived and made it to the US, but he doesn’t know where she is.

    I feel sick.

    ETA: And yet, with monstrous evil like this taking place all over the world, many delicate little American flowers find it inconceivable that Scientology could possibly do what those who escaped are bearing witness to.

    • Sherbet

      Stories like that put minor miseries into perspective.

    • chukicita

      I hope he and his sister can find each other.

    • flyonthewall

      I don’t know how Bill Clinton sleeps at night. Africans butcher each other and Clinton and the UN stand by and watch. White Europeans butcher and rape each other in the Balkans and he sends out the cavalry. Smh

      • Observer

        Nobody in any part of the world lifted a finger to stop the Rwandan genocide.

        ETA: Which doesn’t let Clinton off the hook. I guess he was busy being dazzled into hassling Germany about their eminently reasonable and practical stance on Scientology by Tom Cruise.

        • flyonthewall

          as leaders of the world, it needed to be us.

        • AntoniaW

          We sent in the UN and the wonderful Canadian General Romeo Dallaire wrote an excellent book about it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0034FJGEY/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
          The problem needs thousands of men over decades. We don’t have a solution, but some very brave men did try.

        • flyonthewall

          at least they were allowed to resettle here. That wouldn’t of happened under this “administration”

      • AntoniaW

        Yep. But short of moving in and taking over the means of production & exchange, there’s bugger all we can do. We tried, and it’s called colonialism.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I was just old enough to be taking an interest in world current affairs at the time of the Rwandan genocide and mass slaughter of the Tutsi people. I remember the mass graves and the thousands upon thousands of skulls, and the terror in the eyes of the children. I am so thankful your coworker escaped with his life, but devastated for him that he lost so many loved ones. I wish he could track down his sister.

    • Philbyification

      We had a few “Lost Boys” sponsored in our area. Very sad.

    • RexAinsfree

      Kudos to his mom! A desperate, but inspired idea!
      Hoping for the best for him and for his sister.

  • J. Swift

    Breaking news Los Feliz, CA: Following a full tactical deployment and the setting up of a perimeter, LAPD just apprehended a possibly armed burglarly suspect who had been hiding all morning in our immediate neighborhood. A police dog took the suspect down and he was transported by ambulance to the jail wing of USC Medical Center. Great police work by the men and women of the LAPD.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61c8db67bc1fd5f8fb04da41fb191674542e310395c48f91ccebf40268e5bb23.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2741e8162dae9785ba59ca779f88bf0229937fbdffc0186d4dcffef831e24d88.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc5694d8e23301812fd6e75c207ca4ecca3ff8cf582e34edca89fc60bb5584ac.jpg

    • Sherbet

      Eh, Lost Felix could’ve taken the perp down.

      • J. Swift

        While Lost Felix can take on ghosts, she doesn’t like to be around LAPD’s K9 Belgian Malinois dogs.

        • Sherbet

          Funny — I just read a crime novel by Robert Crais where LAPD’s K-9 division figures strongly in the plot. He says a Malinois has a bite that won’t quit, and so they’re nicknamed “Maligators.” (I don’t know if that’s true or part of the fiction.) I had never heard of a Belgian Malinois before reading the book.

          I’m not a dog person — just never had any — but I found the training and bonding between cop and dog fascinating and very touching.

          • J. Swift

            Sherb, here in the US, the Belgian Malinois has taken the place of the German Shepherd as the preferred K9 dog. The US is following Europe’s lead.

            Today’s K9 search ended around 1:30 PM when the LAPD helicopter came down very low and was broadcasting an order for the suspect to surrender. Apparently, the suspect did not comply with LAPD’s order and so a Belgian Malinois was loosed to persuade him of the many benefits of surrendering. These dogs don’t mess around.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f40c416216269e477d59108441919c0f511877c7600e9c51892461f5afb28e51.png

            • Sherbet

              Whoa! He looks like he means business, all right. Look at those ears!

              I’m not sure how I feel about dogs being put to work by law enforcement or in the Mideast, because it puts the dogs’ lives at risk. But it’s a noble life for a trained dog.

              But I digress…

            • flyonthewall

              why is that guy riding the dog like it was a horse? Not cool. Prob is painful for the dog

              eta – nevermind, I commented w/o expanding the comment. It works if you can only see half the pic

            • Sherbet

              You goof.

            • flyonthewall

              that will teach me to comment without seeing the whole pic

            • Sherbet

              Nah, you’re funniest when you just blurt things out.

            • flyonthewall

              one time I saw a monkey ride a dog in the circus. True story

            • Sherbet

              If it was Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey, you’re out of luck to see that ever again.

            • flyonthewall

              It was. I was conflicted about going but the tickets were free I think. It’s for the best though. Animals shouldn’t have to work to earn their keep, that cruelty should be reserved for people.

            • Sherbet

              At least human beings (mostly) can make the decision to work or not, but the animals have no choice. Still, who doesn’t love a bear in a skirt riding a tricycle, huh?

            • flyonthewall

              ugh! Ikr! See what I mean about conflicted??

            • Sherbet

              It’s like the SO. They LIKE it. And the bear LIKES it. So what if it’s demeaning and hard work with no days off?

            • flyonthewall

              just give everyone extra bear snacks and call it even

            • Sherbet

              That’s fair.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hahaha!

            • J. Swift
            • Sherbet

              Holey moley!

            • WhiteCentauress

              Beautiful, beautiful dog…..

            • RexAinsfree

              Beautiful, beautiful dog ๐Ÿ™‚ He looks focused, and serious!

            • WhiteCentauress

              Look down…/
              I see we agree….
              /

            • RexAinsfree

              Oh I see! There’s some serious focusing going on there!

            • RexAinsfree

              Oh, now I see more! Your comment ๐Ÿ™‚ XD
              I thought you meant the Malinois video, at first.

            • WhiteCentauress

              I just love dogs and he is gorgeous. I thought it was funny that we both said, “beautiful, beautiful”. What are the chances?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Crikey, I’m happy to hear that he has been apprehended without anyone being hurt, Jeff.

      • J. Swift

        Me too. It’s never good when the LAPD tells local residents to stay inside their homes, has a SWAT team out, a helicopter overhead, and six police dogs with K9 teams doing a perimeter sweep. Our street was closed off with police tape as it was part of the search area.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          This is semi-off topic, but I have 4 much younger brothers. The oldest – and, these days, most responsible – was a massive doofus as a teenager. So sweet and well-meaning but always getting into trouble. You know how rare it is to see guns in the UK, so you can imagine his excitement when, aged, 13 and with me long moved out of the family home, a SWAT team and several local police officers arrived by helicopter in our little street and armed police officers took up position behind our garden wall facing out across the park.

          David watched them for a while from one of the upstairs bedrooms then, recognising one of the policewomen, went outside and stood grilling her about the hullabaloo. She told him that someone had called 999 to report that a gunman had been spotted on the green firing his weapon at trees. My brother turned green and, lifting up his Mutant Ninja Turtles t-shirt to reveal a little plastic water pistol shoved into his waistband like a cut-price gangster, asked, “do you think they mean me? I was only shooting at the trees but I ran out of water. I was in the bathroom refilling it when you arrived…”. I shit you not ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Sherbet

            So funny!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              He’s the one who got shot in Afghanistan all those years later. Karma’s a bitch!

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, a Mutant Ninja Turtle is no match for the real bad guys in the desert.

          • I guess things have changed. I always thought English police didn’t carry guns. Wasn’t it something like, blow a whistle, then yell, “Stop,,,, or I’ll yell Stop again!”

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Ever since the creation of the UK police forces, there have been armed specialists that form about 1% of the total numbers. The vast majority are unarmed.

            • WhiteCentauress

              On the British detective shows, they call it an “armed response”. I love the English, so civilized. “Would you accompany me to the station, please.”

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Either that or the half-brick-inna-sock, innit, my son ๐Ÿ˜€ Actually, our regular police don’t have guns, only a few small rapid-response teams have them. The only time I have ever seen guns in my life was outside London Stansted airport shortly after the terrorist attack on our Underground in 2005. The armed police were there to make visitors feel secure but instead they really unsettled everyone.

            • I think the whole armed police thing is a bit overdone here at times. Often they tend to escalate when just waiting something out works better. Willie saw a group of police around some guy a few days ago. The guy was being crazy and screaming at the police and waving his arms. The police just stood there until the guy tired himself out and then found out what he needed. They called an ambulance and got him some help. Nice to see the police handled it calmly and nothing bad happened.

            • Kestrel

              They usually will if they are not a danger to themselves or others and aren’t doing anything suspicious.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              That restores my faith, Phil. The perfect response to what was obviously a very troubled man who just needed patience and a little kindness ๐Ÿ™‚

            • WhiteCentauress

              Oh, then it’s “armed rapid response” (cool) They better get there fast if the bad guys have guns. I’ve watched every episode of Midsomer Murders, Cracker, so many others….I love how they solve the cases with logic instead of shootouts and endless car chases. So civilized.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Cracker! I remember the whole country being obsessed with Cracker, years ago now. It was groundbreaking at the time. I wonder how well it has aged.

            • WhiteCentauress

              And Morse….there’s also a series on Acorn Amazon of young Morse. I actually like the young version better. I’ve subscribed to Acorn as long as they’ve had it on Amazon.

            • WhiteCentauress

              Murdoch Mysteries, Doc Martin, Pie in the Sky…..every episode!

            • WhiteCentauress

              LOL…Very intimidating…

          • Baby

            OMG bawwwwwwwwwhahhahahaha.. My daughter is here visiting.. We’re both laughing..won’t be on for a week..glad I spotted this..

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Heehee ๐Ÿ˜€ Have a fantastic mother-daughter week, and give her my love. x

            • Baby

              This is such a fabulous visit Betty boo.. I love it..and I did and she says she is staring at your picture of my wall

              ( the one is front of the cruise boat with Mama dee, bury and I.. ) and said that you are beautiful.. and I said ,” Yes and she sweet too.. errrrrrgh..oh and young! ( tee hee)

            • WhiteCentauress

              You are going to enjoy that. I loved it when your granddaughters visited.

          • daisy

            I love your family stories , the original wild bunch.

        • Noesis

          It probably depends on the area.

          In some neighborhoods the residents are more well armed than the police.

          Those are bad places to try making a living as a burglar.

          Lol.

    • GfldedKim

      Good puppy. Is there a pic of the pup?

      • J. Swift

        I wasn’t allowed to proceed on foot the scene of the arrest. It was so close to our home that I was able to get a photo of the perp being shackled to the gurney by the LAPD.

        • GfldedKim

          Glad everyone is safe. Good job LAPD.

        • Noesis

          Hope the guy driving the suspect to the hospital didn’t formerly work / drive for Baltimore PD.

          • J. Swift

            Yikes!

        • chukicita

          Dude. Nice shots! You should hang at our place. I don’t even wake up anymore when the copters buzz our street at 230 am.

    • You SPs and the problems you cause. *smh

    • sizzle8

      Maybe it was a scientology PI.

    • J. Swift
      • Sherbet

        A redhead, just like lrh. That explains the life of crime.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          We in RTC feel it our solemn duty to report that no Scientology books, congresses, tapes, or cassettes were stolen as there were none in the burglarized home.

          Let this be a lesson to one and all: The presence of Scientology books, congresses, tapes, and cassettes in private homes confers such a firm Ethics presence that burglars flee in terror as the materials of Scientology convict them of their crimes on the spot.

          Don’t take chances with wog burglar alarms: Purchase several sets of the Basics and display them in every room of your home, even the bathrooms.

          • Sherbet

            I completely agree. I, for one, would turn and run if I were to enter a home wherein were displayed several sets of the Basics. What a deterrent!

          • WhiteCentauress

            It would scare me away….really.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          “And so we find when we get into the ginger band that there is great criminality. The only way to ameliorate this is with a large assemblage of wog lawyers, bribe money, and, oh, at least a dozen safe houses. Fascinating.” — LRH, Criminal Congress Adelaide, 1954.

  • Just a little taste from the view LRH had on small Fly’s on the wall https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/814e46d19c0309a3eb6fdb70eca22678aa60fe797846be88aea1372bda192312.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      oh, children. I thought you meant small people, like midgets

    • flyonthewall

      small children? Like midget children you mean?

      • Correct ๐Ÿ™‚ i changed it

        • flyonthewall

          much better

    • Noesis

      Wonder where Ron’s thoughts on chain lockers fit into this Eval?

      I don’t see that “tech” mentioned on the first page of this document.

  • SkyBill40

    Boy… You couldn’t script a better scene for a $cientologist trapped in their cult any more succinctly. The excerpts are brilliant and exactly what we have all come to recognize as normal behavior for them.

    Holding someone’s passport for what amounts to ransom and refusing to hand it over if requested by the owner is illegal… not that the local police are going to do anything about it anyway.

    • ze moo

      Most local police will call the feds if they see anything like that. Except in Clearwater and maybe LA too.

  • Science Doc

    OT. White House lawyers are phoning academic law school experts in presidential impeachment. True story.

    • Well that’s one choice I guess.

      1. Call a friend.
      2. Call a lifeline.
      3. Ask the audience.

      • Noesis

        Don’t forget choice number 4.

        #4. Start kissing up to Mike Pence.

        • That might not get you into the next round. Loyalty isn’t a strong point with these guys.

          • Noesis

            Most politicians operate on a self-preservation ser fac.

            Lol.

            Some are better at hiding it via the use of proxies to do the dirty work.

            They are also better at smiling when they lie.

            This gives them a “likability” advantage, but does not make them better people.

            Some are just more shrewd.

        • chukicita

          I think this whole last six months happened so Pence would seem like a real statesman in comparison.

          • Kestrel

            At this stage that’s a hurdle anyone could clear.

            • Puget Buckeye

              True, the bar has been lowered quite a bit.

          • Liberated

            Pence is giving the commencement speech at Notre Dame this Sunday…..there’s a big walk-out planned.
            His legislation as governor pissed off the gay community and they’re not letting it go.

            • chukicita

              I have kin in Indiana who are horrified.

            • Liberated

              Ahh…you said kin !

            • chukicita

              should it be “kinfolk?”

          • Noesis

            Now THAT is a conspiracy theory.

            Mike Pence – the ultimate political Judas.

            Lol.

        • daisy

          Unless you are female and then get the hell out of the room if his wife isn*t present.

          • WhiteCentauress

            Do you think that would stop him, Daisy. He seems to enjoy humiliating her.

            • daisy

              All though I do not like his politics, I have no reason to believe he is anything but a devout Christian. I believe he doesn*t want to be alone with other woman to take any temptation away from straying. I have heard this from other devout men. Most Christians believe that the man is the head of the house. This does not necessarily mean that they view the woman as less than . They can believe this and revere the wife. It would not be any kind of relationship I would choose to be in but different strokes. I think Mike Pence is a good man with good motivations. That said he has no business forcing his beliefs and legislation on the public. He should be seeking to govern all the USA and not just the bible belt. It is my opinion that women*s issues , gender issues , and unconventional life styles should not be decided by white men with their own agenda. There should be a division of church and state. He is a hypocrite regarding Trump . They all are. How they can support him and hold their noses is beyond me. If he had been a liberal candidate you can bet your ass there would be fierce protestations about his criminality and immorality .

        • ze moo

          Pence is no bargain either. He is slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.

          • Noesis

            It was joking advice to the folks working now for Trump…not an endorsement.

        • Ew. The Handmaid’s Tale gets him hard.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Doc, or anyone, please could I ask you to suggest a couple of serious/respected conservative American newspapers or news websites that are not behind paywalls? I’m interested in comparing them to my newest, bestest friend, the WaPo. In the UK I would probably suggest The Times or the Telegraph as respected conservative news sources, for e.g. Obviously I loathe them both, but I like to check them out every once in a while.

      • Noesis

        Usually the Wall Street Journal is the counterpoint to the NY Times / Washington Post on political matters. (The Journal is behind a paywall, but older articles eventually are available on the open web for free.)

        But – counterintuitively – even the WSJ has been fairly aggressive in reporting Trump dumbness. The man has the ability to alienate just about everyone.

        The National Review http://www.nationalreview.com/ is a credible conservative media outlet, in that they do not normally traffic in bizarre conspiracy theories or outright fake news. They don’t like Trump much either but they are not aggressively seeking to bring him down.

        Townhall – https://townhall.com/ – provides a compendium of conservative opinion pieces drawn from many sources. It gives a flavor of some of the non-insane viewpoints that are right of of center.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          “But – counterintuitively – even the WSJ has been fairly aggressive in reporting Trump dumbness. ”

          Thank you so much, that’s precisely what I wanted to find out: whether the serious conservative Press are also concerned about Situation Trump.

          Unfortunately the Wall Street Journal is out: reading anything owned by Murdoch would cause me to break out in gigantic hives. I will definitely check out National Review and Townhall, though. Thanks again ๐Ÿ™‚

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Ugh! I know what you mean about handling Murdoch print media… I wear gloves when I have to touch it ๐Ÿ˜‰ (OK, so itโ€™s going into the cat box, but still… canโ€™t be too careful!)

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Your cat told me he was voting Tory in the general election. What have you done?!

            • Kestrel

              Are them’s fightin’ words around there?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Rob needs to send his Tory cat to my house for a week. He’ll be a recycling his cat litter and advocating equal rights for same-sex feline relationships by Sunday!

            • God, King, Country and felines.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              He would… heโ€™ll do anything for attention ๐Ÿ˜‰ (the girls vote green… theyโ€™re all for recycling… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3fc99f09774b4b4c5ba2843f3211f7a613751926b9bc9bfbd3af9661c3511927.jpg )

            • Liberated

              Wait a minute..did you steal Dice’s cat..isn’t that meme ?

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Sheโ€™s Peeka, and does look very much like Meme except that she is polydactyl (has an extra toe on each paw) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68bb5a326730ccec46ebe1ebb3fee6fcbef0e6f1720cb3525701832c72317145.jpg … I took this one just before I went to sleep last night… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05d48d9c255a9c76eb468e0edebae6baf094c20027da13e722263a5313071d0a.jpg (theyโ€™re all from the same litter) ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Mick Roberts

              I stay away from political discussions, but that reminded me of a funny joke a British guy told me many years ago. “The only good Tory, is a Supposi-Tory”.

              (No offense to any Tory supporters…..I come in jest)

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hahaha! Oh, I love that ๐Ÿ˜€

            • EmmaDaoust

              I was going to say – cruelty to animals. Much like the idea of using Hubbard writings for toilet paper – I don’t want that man anywhere near my nether regions thank you very much.

            • Philbyification

              Not very many people over here have heard about the Millie Dowler case, ect.

          • Noesis

            I’ve been a subscriber to the WSJ for decades and it has not changed much since being purchased by Murdoch. They do seem to be able to run the newsroom with a great deal of independence. They also have a very legitimate news gathering team with a long history of deep / credible reporting.

            I realize this will infuriate some folks here, but the Christian Science Monitor is regarded as one of the best political reportage newspaper on earth – read by diplomats, spooks and politicians the world over.

            FWIW – I also subscribe to the NYT and read (but do not subscribe) to WaPo and The Guardian (among other sources.)

            For more serious reading I also following LawFare, Marginal Revolution and The Intercept. It is useful to get a mix of insights from credible sources.

            I also occasionally stick my head into the crazy stuff just to see what those folks are saying. It’s a bit frightening really.

            • gtsix

              I thought long and hard about cancelling my WSJ subscription when Murdoch came on board, but it has not gone the way of the cray. Glad I kept it.

              (And I will firmly disagree with the CSM… it’s well read, but it is still CSM news to me)

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Wonderful, you’re a star. You’ve got this atheist intrigued by the Christian Science Monitor now. I’m going to have to check it out ๐Ÿ™‚

              I subscribe to the Guardian and (since this week) WaPo, and buy the Independent’s concise newspaper, the “i”, daily – the online version has driven me senseless by its sloppy typos for years, and the comments have become infested by extremely angry right-wingers, so I rarely go there anymore. I’ve also been reading The Atlantic for my American news, although the Guardian always has very extensive coverage from your side of the Pond. I’m a dyed in the wool liberal leftie but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to try to understand where the other side is coming from because that’s the only way we will find common ground.

            • Noesis

              I like to take cheap shots at politicians of all stripes.

              It’s an amusing sport.

            • Better than the Christian Hall Monitor. She was real mean.

            • Philbyification

              CSM Very Good Reportage indeed.

        • Snippy_X

          Saw a lot of Wm F Buckley as a kid. Not sure they make ’em like that anymore. The guy was an anomoly. Conservatives still ask, “What would Buckley have done?”
          http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/07/24/16-years-ago-william-f.-buckley-wrote-donald-trump-eerily-accurate/

          • Noesis

            There is very little of what I would call “serious” scholarly writing on the right these days.

            There are very, very few thinkers seeking to forge a direction that is not “backwards” …and yes I do know the political definition of “conservative.”

            Trump will probably wind up being a transitional President and the Republican party will probably morph into something quite different than it has become. It is hard to imagine the situation getting worse, at least on a national level.

            • Philbyification

              “Imprimis” published by Hillsdale College….?

            • Noesis

              Yes – worth skimming this too.

          • Philbyification

            I miss Paul Harvey!

            • WhiteCentauress

              Oh, I do, too. He was great!!!

        • Science Doc

          WSJ has been looking a lot like the NYT on its Trump coverage. Facts are facts. I had a trial subscription but it just ran out.

          • Noesis

            There are remarkable similarities.

            Not quite as certain as you about facts – especially where politics are concerned.

  • Juicer77

    Pertinent to today’s topic. Podcast about Coercive Control and abuse. This is part 1. Well worth a listen. https://art19.com/shows/real-crime-profile-wondery/episodes/e6fc175d-481b-423c-9ddd-2e322d538c67

  • Liberated

    With the breaking news everyday and especially the three stories today….all roads lead to Russia.

    Hey Donald…”Better Call Saul !”

    • Jgg2012

      “Believe me. It’s fake news. They make things up. It’s true. believe me.”

      • Liberated

        Remember it’s a witch hunt….”everybody is out to get me” poor guy.

        • ze moo

          Malignant narcissists have common traits. Denial of reality is one of them.

        • Puget Buckeye

          Then he can just gather up his toys and go home. Bye Felicia.

        • Jgg2012

          “I wanna see Obama’s birth certificate” was not a witchhunt.

    • Science Doc

      Saul just got a 12 month vacation from the New Mexico Bar Association. Oops spoiler alert.

      • Liberated

        Yes, but wasn’t that when he was Jimmy McGill ?

    • daisy

      I am enjoying this much more than I should.

      • Liberated

        No dear…there is no limit, enjoy away !

    • Panopea Abrupta
      • daisy

        One of the late night comics were listing the things too. He was winded at the end.

      • WhiteCentauress

        He has no “Character”.

    • TheKremlinCandidate

      Mah Russia.

      You better check the facts rather than swallow the msm swill.

      • Liberated

        Excuse me ?

        • TheKremlinCandidate

          Can you show any evidence showing collusion from Trump and his campaign to Russia?

          • Liberated

            You’re obviously not paying attention…just wait.

            • TheKremlinCandidate

              Okay… so you acknowledge there is currently no evidence.

              I shall wait to see if any EVER surfaces.

            • Liberated

              No, I’m not acknowledging anything, there’s a ton of evidence of collusion with Russia.

              I think you need to do some TR’s and get your ethics in. Go back to the OSA.
              Buh-bye…idiot!

              btw…Where’s Shelley ?

    • Mick Roberts

      Is that a Masonic symbol engraved on the front of the building?

      ETA: Nevermind. It is. I read the comment after I posted this.

      • Puget Buckeye

        Sure looks like it

        • Mick Roberts

          Yeah, just read the comment under the pic after I posted that. They think it’s a former Mason Temple.

          • Philbyification

            yep

      • Kestrel

        “… it appears that this building was constructed between 1925 and 1926 by the University Temple Association, a Masonic organization. It was operated by another Masonic organization, Anchor Temple, from 1935 to 1977, when it was purchased by the Childgrove School.”

      • chukicita

        yes, it is. the two columns are a giveaway, too. I bet some ancestors are spinning in their graves.

        • Must be for their new Vision of – Cult Fiction!

    • Noesis

      Finally – a recently acquired Scientology building that does not need to be renovated – at all – to give people the full and true flavor of the organization – before they ever step inside.

      • I really have to wonder sometimes, what goes on inside their heads. Just look at the sign *Gosh* Free personality test? GTFO of my Fridge!

    • That’s a damn shame.
      If it was a Masonic Temple its got to be really nice.

  • nottrue
  • Chris Crimy interview with Melissa Paris about the exploitation of children in Scientology.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cgshere/2017/05/19/come-get-sum-extra-scientology-live-with-melissa-paris

    /

  • daisy

    Did everyone see this joke at the bottom of the story the other day. It was from Howdy and bears repeating.

    How do you steam clams ? A- say bad things about their religion. I enjoyed that.

    • Jimmy3

      Howdy said funny things and strongly disliked Scientology. It is known.

    • Sherbet

      Yes, I saw it and then wandered around that day’s Bunker where I also found Sugar Plum Fairy. I smiled, and wept and smiled. Good, good people.

      • daisy

        I was not here for Howdy, but I know I would have liked him . Him giving you a hard time would have amused me. SPF was very nice to me when I was a newbie. She gave me advise and encouragement over the MT. shit storm I quite enjoyed her a * spicy * responses to some posts as well. I loved that picture of her on the beach acting like a goofball. It is the pits being at that age when our friends and loved ones are passing. Your health better be good !!

        • Sherbet

          I take a fistful of scripts every day, so I will allegedly remain semi-healthy. And, yes, you would have liked Howdy. He was funny, knowledgeable, intelligent, deep, blunt, gentlemanly (yes!), and he didn’t suffer fools gladly.

  • nottrue
    • WhiteCentauress

      Win!!!

    • Sorry octopus, no clams for dinner.

    • Practically perfect in every way.

  • flyonthewall

    Been relistening to Soundgarden and ran into this gem I haven’t heard in forever. Think this is my favorite song from Superunknown.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbckIuT_YDc&list=PLjyDFf79NS5BoJsOONtExQ0stQBl_l82L&index=10

    • flyonthewall

      wow. If there ever was an anthem for the chronically depressed this would be it.

      I woke the same as any other day you know
      I should have stayed in bed
      The day I tried to win I wallowed
      In the blood and mud with all the other pigs

      Words you say, never seem
      To live up to the ones inside your head
      The lives we make never seem
      To ever get us anywhere but dead

      I heard this song a hundred times but I don’t think I ever really took the trouble to learn the lyrics and really actually hear them. It’s dark stuff. This came out in ’94. 1994 and he must of still been feeling this way in some sense in 2017. That’s horrible.

    • i wish we were digging into the Soundgarden vaults for different reasons … *sigh* no matter what, if you’re reading this now, embrace your Love LOUDly:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0xosEFe8Ik

      • flyonthewall

        You know, I never heard this album. I got it coming in the mail though, and Ultramega Ok. All I ever listened to was Badmotorfinger, Superunknown and Down on the Upside. Can’t wait to dig into the other stuff

    • Beth
      • He loved his life and family, I truly believe.

        • Beth

          Yes. He must have been in so much pain. Here’s another. Haven’t posted here in a while, but it’s good to be with kindred spirits. Thanks Dodo.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbQKTD3dR3s

          • So good.. Thank you.

            I believe it was a lethal side effect from taking too much of his anti-anxiety drug.
            We may learn more soon.

  • Mick Roberts

    Whoa…..regarding yesterday’s story about the Memorial Day special. I was looking through my Scheduled DVR Recordings and the 9:00 PM (Eastern) show is being recorded. But there was ALSO a 1-hour special playing that morning at 8:00 AM that’s being recorded. Last season, I had Aftermath set to record only New episodes. There is also a Season 1 marathon that day starting at 1:00 PM (Eastern), but they’re all repeats of course, so they’re not being recorded.

    I took some images and pasted them below. The first one shows the time of recording, the other 2 show the Info that was displayed for it (had to scroll down on the info to see it all). Anyone know if there’s going to be another special that morning? I’ve never set an alarm on Memorial Day, but I suppose there’s a first time for everything.

    URGENTLY IMPORTANT NOTE: Ignore that Dr. Phil recording please ……don’t assume things about me ……my wife ……what can I say ……I still love her though ……except when she deletes my Alabama football games without telling me first ……but gotta take the good with the bad I reckon ……ok, ok, you’re right ……enough about my marital problems……)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f5e9a731d64d073215a2e7aeffd627713de0be4983b244cc570dd952969be6f.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/885ae0e091c48e074e883d57a2f061de99d3c42aee7a0a84741effcf1f5b2a0e.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c16524012f4076fd8a312dc44481ab9c74df045a3fe7409cedca9e49ecbadd26.jpg

    • chukicita

      Aw we won’t judge. Mr Chuki watches music competition shows even though he knows better. Still love him.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “URGENTLY IMPORTANT NOTE”

      Heehee!

      http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/scbu.gif

    • EmmaDaoust

      You can’t change what you don’t acknowledge.
      Do you wanna be right, or do you wanna be in a relationship.
      Somebody’s got to be the he-ro here.

      • Mick Roberts

        Gah! I hear that stuff quite often.

  • WhiteCentauress
    • Liberated

      At least MJ could sing.

      • WhiteCentauress

        That’s their own poster guy. I used an overlay from “Terminator”, and kind of blended it all in. It is Jacksonesque, though, you’re right.

    • Noesis

      Damn…

    • GrangerFX

      Resistance is -40 on the Tone Scale.

  • WhiteCentauress
    • I do. Thank you.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Love those uplifting stories in all the bad ones.

        • Puget Buckeye

          I think Scions could take a lesson from this dog. Sometimes you just need to help those around you who aren’t “able” to help themselves. It’s simply the right thing to do.

          • WhiteCentauress

            Totally agree. I also love seeing cats and dogs who get along. So cute.

    • FredEX2

      Ummmm. That’s really so amazing & sweet and all…but it kinda looks like he squished the kitten…in his excitement to save him. Anybody know CPR?

      • JustSheila

        But kittens are so squishy and squirmy, hard to get them to hold still long with only a big mouth and jaws. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • GrangerFX

      Om nom nom nom …

  • Gothic Joe

    I’m actually looking forward to watching Handmaids Tale, it looks kind of like V For Vendetta, which is one of my all time fav movies. Too bad for Moss about her being in Scientology. I kind of think she’ll leave it eventually, as she’s not one of the big ones like Tom Cruise or John Travolta, and Scientology’s only getting more negative press.

    • Liberated

      She’ll never leave, she was born into it.

      • Gothic Joe

        Well Leah was a member since nine, so you never know. And Neil Gaiman was born in it and he left. I doubt she’s very involved, but I might be wrong.

        • salin

          It is my impression that Neil Gaiman hasn’t really been public about his leaving – giving an ambiguous impression both to those still in, and exes, and those never in. Understandable given that he has a sister very involved. Goes back to how complex it is to leave for those whose whole families are in – even more so when it is multiple generations that are in.

          • Gothic Joe

            Exactly. That’s what I think most of the remaining celebs leaving will be like. If Beck left, would he tell the press? I think it’s more likely he’d go like Gaiman.

            • salin

              Got it. Not a projection of whether or not they will leave, but if they do leave – how will we ever know if it is an under the radar departure.

        • Liberated

          I hope I’m wrong, and I would love to see her leave…but I’m not holding my breath.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          And Mike Rinder was in since at least as early as age 6.

      • Gothic Joe

        I bet Moss’s involvement is like Beck’s or Julliete Lewis (who strangely identifies as Christian and Scientologist) involvement. At this point it’s an albatross around their necks, and I bet every one of them leaves silently.

        • Tony Ortega

          Beck, Juliette, and Elisabeth were among the ones our Celebrity Centre source told us have at least some chance of eventually leaving, as we indicated in our list about the church’s most well-known celebrities…

          http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/26/scientologys-20-biggest-celebrities-in-order-of-those-most-like-to-defect/

          But even for those who might one day wake up, it’s a difficult process.

          • salin

            That reminder/perspective is always helpful. Empathy and compassion is important to hold onto – even while engaging in passionate concern and objection to the big picture actions (and systemic problems) of Co$.

          • Puget Buckeye

            I don’t disagree that it’s a difficult process. But don’t you think it will become not quite as news worthy if they leave? Leah and Jason and others have paved the way and shown that they can come out the other side and survive. Even thrive.
            Also, from a PR point of view, what celebrity in their right mind would want to continue to be associated with Scientology with the crap storm that’s hitting the church now? Your book, this site, other sites, Leah’s series have started an avalanche that will not be stopped. And the public is paying attention.

      • JustSheila

        Some 9 out of 10 or more who were born into it eventually left.

    • JustSheila

      It’s a terrific series and moves pretty fast with lots of twists and turns, I think you’ll enjoy it. For her to take that part at all makes me think she’s at least keeping some distance from Scientology, maybe stalled on doing services and hopefully having some serious second thoughts. All the acting is terrific, but Moss is making a name for herself with some stellar performances that just keep getting better. It’s like she is living the part. Like Tony says, it’s hard to imagine her not having second thoughts of Scientology’s treatment of staff, regular public and the Sea Org.

  • I used to almost spam this blog with this song over the years. It’s kind of happy. Last time. I think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBFdX37Qpnk

    • GrangerFX

      The opening scene freaked me out a bit.

  • salin

    A reminder to ‘Recommend’ today’s edition of the Bunker (and the ensuing conversations in the comment section.) It is like an upvote for the day’s installment. The juxtaposition of FBI interview records, with they dystopian story of ‘The Handmaid’s Tail’ as Offred reveals glimpses into her reality is exceptionally powerful. Can we get to 150 upvotes/recommends?!

    As a reminder I share a very rare view (this time of year – due to the longer days) of active northern lights captured north of Winnepeg, Canada. Who needs the fabricated space opera – when nature provides it’s own real time operas. http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=135566&PHPSESSID=js5nnlq8sqf3s7626iqgpe8ot6

    • Nature’s operas are much more pleasant. One doesn’t need to get into a mind mess dissonance over them either (like I did with that space opera crap)..
      Don’t forget if you are going to spend money on the internet ~ use Tony’s link above. If only Amazon shows you can simply use Amazon to order from other companies apparently via that link and Tony and team get some sort of perk.

      • salin

        Great reminder – use the UB link when ordering Amazon and support Tony’s work (and the UB.)

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Whenever I see that report talking about workers losing fingers from a circular saw due to sleep deprivation…. It enrages me!!!
    I want to stab Davey Applecrate McGee in da muthfukkin nutz!!!!!!!!!

    Foul human-being!

    • PeaceMaker

      The really shocking one that does not get the publicity it deserves, is the account of the 16 year old girl (Ashlee Shaner) who was beheaded in an accident on the road at Gold base when construction equipment was being used negligently at night – in a rush to get a project done to impress John Travolta.

      I have long thought, that I would love for someone to ask Travolta what he thought of Scientology having let someone get beheaded, in catering to his celebrity perks.

  • Observer
    • salin

      I think I have seen that pigeon – must fly/live between Ohio and Indiana. The shifty look is the dead give away.

    • What does it mean? I am thick.

      • Observer

        it doesn’t really mean anything–it’s just someone posting in FB as if they were a pigeon doing pigeon things. It cracked me up.

        • That’s what I thought. Wasn’t sure. Nice way for brain reboot in a safe mode.

    • XD

  • nottrue
    • daisy

      Spoken by someone who is in desperate need of some of those psych meds.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Ramen!!!

    • Puget Buckeye

      I think being able to tweet is like having a driver’s license. You should need to pass a test, get it renewed periodically, and have it taken away if you get too many infractions. Please, someone, take away her keys!

    • salin

      Long shot, but given the twitter nic, wonder if that is a tennis expert – who is also a bunkeroo?

  • Supper Powers

    Sigh…today. a few years ago, my friend lost her 20 year old daughter to a kidnapping and murder. Sigh. I lead the search. Bunks helped me through it even though they didn’t know it. Thanks.

    • daisy

      Oh what a horror. How is her mom surviving ?

      • Supper Powers

        Not well. Needs love.

        • daisy

          I am sure your love is a comfort. I cannot fathom that kind of loss , and in such a brutal way. I hope she can get grief counselling . I do not think that is something anyone can recover from .

        • daisy

          Speaking of needing love , have you got that dog yet ? They are such good company even when they don*t care for you. I am grateful to that passive aggressive fat beagle bitch everyday. Get a big scary sweet one that will protect you. If Salin is right and your friend has her ordeal on a crime show, I would be interested to see. it . You take care tonight Sometimes the sads for friends ordeal is awful too.

      • Supper Powers

        Not well. At all.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Good God, that’s horrible. I can’t imagine her grief. It’s heartening to know that she has such a friend in you and that you, in turn, were able to find comfort here. All of a sudden, this whole “on line’ community has become very real for me.

    • salin

      ((Supper Powers)).

      Heinous. Deeply unsettling trauma. *tears.*

      A couple of years ago someone posted a link to an investigative tv show about a horrendous crime that sounds like this, about someone close. I can’t recall who posted it (you? or did another Bunkermate also experience such a heinous ordeal?)

      Sending love.

      • daisy

        I think MGM had a daughter who was close friends with a murder victim. I remember it was in the news but I a not sure if it was on a crime show.

        • salin

          Sadly I cannot recall who. But I do remember searching for the tv episode. Could be MGM.

          Aside: been thinking about you, and your Mom all week. Sending you a silent/virtual hand to hold.

          • daisy

            Thank you Salin . She is doing better. They finally admitted her and are investigating her seizures. If they cannot stop them then I will deal , but if there is something they can give her I will be so grateful. Her tiny little body cannot take all that violence. I worry she is going to break bones . I think of you and your lessons often. I hope I can exhibit the grace you did did when the time comes. You and Obs both dealt with your mom*s passing with such heartbreaking dignity. I also know it is still hard. I just hope the good memories are replacing the sad heartache of missing them. The people in this community helps so much when the times get trying . Thank you for your friendship.

            • Oh, Daisy, I’m sorry your mom is going through this. I hope they’ll be able to help her. Love to you.

            • daisy

              <3<3<4 I feel everybody*s love. Thank you so much.

            • pat k

              My bro had drug induced seizures – no words available

            • daisy

              Good for him if they are his past.. It doesn*t matter how many I have seen. It is still remarkable and disturbing to witness.

        • ReallyMGM

          Yes, a high school classmate of my daughter was murdered in the summer of 2015. The killer is in a psychiatric hospital. RIP Dena๐ŸŒน

      • Supper Powers

        Yeah. It was me. Mickey Shunick. Her story is on Dateline and Swamp Murders. I cannot tell you how real it is though.

    • pat k

      Hug

    • JaxNGold

      That’s so awful. I cannot imagine something like that happening to my son. I would literally never recover. I’m so sorry this happened to your friend’s daughter. <>

  • Ree..Pete

    https://youtu.be/ZH8RXKLFZ6w from central intelligence, how a $cion thinks. Don’t know if this has been posted before. Thetan free since 2003 ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

  • WhiteCentauress
  • John Prince

    Who ARE these oDdbALLยง who insist on “following” me, telling me how and where to meet sexy Women? I’ve “X”ed them repeatedly only to have them re-appear minutes later. .I know there’s alotta weirdos out there but I’ve been commenting on the Bunker and only on the Bunker for more than a Year now and nobody has ever “followed” me. .till recently. In case you persistent little buggers are reading, I’ve never had trouble meeting Sexy Women (the trouble usually starts when they get their meat-hooks into me)
    ..Oh, Yeah one other thing. ..FUCK YOU scientology and your Blight on Society !! Watching you shrivel up and Die is becomming ever more enjoyable ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    • I made my profile private because of these “ladies.” Man, were they barking up the wrong tree.

      • John Prince

        I KNOW what ya mean! I’ve been used and abused by Sexy Women as far back as I can remember. .They’ve ALWAYS been attracted to me, like Moths to a Flame and it’s caused me more trouble than I’d care to mention ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • As I tell guys who freak out when gay guys check them out, it’s when they stop checking you out that you have to worry.

          • John Prince

            I’m with ya there, Gay or Hetro, when you got it You Got It!

      • Liberated

        Now you tell me…

      • daisy

        See now I make my profile public for the exact same reason. Still barking up the wrong tree but I enjoy the noise.

        • Svetlana maek you wery goood martinye ven she come to leev wiss you and fett biggle.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        None of these ladies ever contact ME.

        Good.

      • I keep my profile public so that OSA doesn’t have to search too much to find my stuff. Those poor guys work long enough hours as it is.

        • I stay public so my kids will find me ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Mick Roberts

          Heh, very kind of you Phil. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Puget Buckeye

          Now that’s mighty considerate of you. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • JaxNGold

        LOL

    • JaxNGold

      Been getting a bunch of those myself. I just deny the request, too. I pity the kind of person who’s so desperate that they have an account in order to seek out sex. Ew.

      • John Prince

        It’s not that I don’t appreciate when someone agrees or disagrees with my sometimes pointed commentary about co$. .but I’ve never heard a word out of these few new “fans” of mine, which makes me wonder. .

  • When you don’t have pipes, a hurdy gurdy might do.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIXR3s8OtY

    • PeaceMaker

      I don’t think anything will do in the place of pipes ๐Ÿ™‚

      But that is pretty cool, I have never seen a modern hurdy gurdy.

      There’s nothing like the Ladies From Hell playing Amazing Grace (I much prefer just the pipes and drums, without the band, performing outdoors where the sound can carry properly, but this all I could find):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvykNC8ToDo

  • daisy

    Sorry to the apolitical people. May I just say I have been in the unenviable position of having to let someone go. If I spoke about why they got fired and in such a disrespectful way , I would have been fired for that. Is there no such thing as confidentiality. Having been fired once , why would anyone want to rub salt into that wound ?

    • Puget Buckeye

      Sounds like a no win situation. I completely understand. You have to do something but you can’t explain why to anyone. Otherwise, you’d be “guilty” of the same thing. The high road isn’t always an easy road.

      • daisy

        The winning situation is not to bad mouth your former hire. unless there is a reason to divulge it for a purpose. I wasn*t even allowed to gave her a bad review for references. I simply said I would not hire them again at this time without an expaination.

    • TheKremlinCandidate

      Is this a Trump reference?

      • daisy

        Yes he fired Comey and then ridiculed him to the Russians of things

        • TheKremlinCandidate

          Yeah, I was just clarifying.

          You have no way of verifying if that even happened… not sure why you are considering it fact at this stage.

          • daisy

            Hus surrogates and he have not denied it It was reported by others in the room. I gusess we can wait for a rebuttal but at least for me there is 0 credibility
            Referring to him as a show boat has been said and seen by the general public, He also said he did not do a good job.by Trump*s definition of being loyal to him.

        • Puget Buckeye

          “nut job”

      • Liberated

        What are you ..Trump’s bitch ?

        • TheKremlinCandidate

          You don’t like being challenged, do you?

          • Liberated

            Project much ?

            • TheKremlinCandidate

              You can challenge me… go ahead… I don’t get upset. What would you like me to clarify for you?

  • Mick Roberts

    Not sure if there’s anything to this, but if someone knows Mike Rinder personally, you may wish to make him aware of this. I sent him a FB message yesterday, but I’m sure he gets tons of messages and is very busy these days, so he might not have seen it. (Sorry for the lengthy post, but it might be important).

    This may be nothing but someone trying to promote his company or just some prankster. But this may also be important for any under-the-radars or current Scientologists thinking about leaving. I believe I remember someone saying that Mike gets frequent messages from people saying they’re wanting to get out of the church and asking for advice on how best to do that. I assume one way they might try to contact him is through Facebook Messenger.

    Well, yesterday, I got on Facebook and typed Mike’s name in the search box to find his fan page just because I haven’t been on FB much recently. On the search results, I saw the fan page, his personal page, and another page with his name and picture (and the results return this “newer” page above his actual personal page). So I went to check it out.

    It says this person “Lives in London, United Kingdom” and is “From Davis, California”. It also says this person is a “Trader at cryptosharelimited”. I Googled that company and it was formed in the UK on July 25, 2016. There was one officer named, a Karl Watson, born February 1978, listed as “Director”. The company address is listed as 23 Plender Street, London, United Kingdom, NW1 0HA.

    I also noticed that there were many, many family pictures of Mike posted (although they must’ve screwed up since the most recent post shows some kind of trading information). The oldest post showed a date of “January 15 2012″…..however, the actual date it was “Added” (the icon next to the date) was on May 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM (just a week and a half ago). It was also advertising the 2nd AMA for Leah Remini (where they tried to show the date back in 2012?) and it said “Tune in to A$E on Tuesday AT 10pm”. (That’s not a typo….it was copied and pasted verbatim, there really was a $ in place of the & in A&E).

    How they got personal pictures from Mike’s private page, I’m not sure. I actually friended him on Facebook for a little bit myself back when Aftermath first came out, but a little while later, he then posted a message asking everyone who isn’t a personal friend to please unfriend him and follow him on his fan page. I did so myself, but perhaps he was accepting others who may not have unfriended him, and was able to get access to some of his personal family photos and make a sock account.

    As I said, this may be just a prankster or this young company trying to get publicity. But, at the expense of possibly sounding paranoid, the timing of this happening (May 10th apparently) seems a bit coincidental, since Aftermath is gaining more publicity with the 2nd season approaching. Also, if anyone still in tries to search him out on Facebook and sends a message to this account, if it’s someone working for the church, they would be able to tell if any of their current members are reaching out to him so they can handle them or declare them.

    I hope there’s nothing to this, but Mike probably needs to be made aware of this if you are a personal friend of his. Especially since I believe there are some photos on his personal page that he only shared with friends that are public here (I can’t see some of the photos on his personal page). One of his “friends” might be stealing these and posing as him.

    Sorry for the long post. It’s just something I found that I believe Mike needs to know about.

    • sizzle8

      you can also email: knowledgereports at hushmail.com

      • Mick Roberts

        Thanks sizzle. I’ll copy and paste this to that email.

      • Mick Roberts

        Just copied this and emailed it to him. Also saved a file of the fraudulent FB page, along with images of the names of a few people who liked a couple of posts.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Facebook is LOUSY with phishing. I get barraged with Friend requests from people I have been friends with for years. As you point out, the key is seeing when the page actually launched.

      This one is likely a clumsy attempt by the CoS to blunt his presence on FB. A highly public person like Rinder should be able to appeal to FB and get the page taken down for being deceptive.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        there is a help page on FB for the notification about someone posing as yourself. And they do respond.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Just so I’m clear on this (and I can be pretty dim). Someone is masquerading as Mike Rinder on FB to get attention for their company based on Mike’s higher profile due to Leah’s series? Or maybe it’s Scions phishing to find out who might be reaching out about escaping? And then they’ll have their gotcha moment?

      • Mick Roberts

        Yes, all I can think of is that it’s one of those two possibilities, or just someone being a dick. Who knows.

        • Good you check into it Mick. Let us know when you figure it out and thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Puget Buckeye

          Either way, it’s creepy. Fortunate you went the extra mile to check into it.

    • Shivani33

      Respectfully, Mick, I would not have posted any of this on a public forum for all of the world to see. This could be handled more discreetly. My perspective about this kind of publicity could be quite different from yours, because of personal experience. Eta, probably not everyone who reads here has your good intentions.

      • Mick Roberts

        Hi Shivani. I was hesitant to do so myself. I decided that late at night, knowing a new post would be up by morning where most people would go, would mean less folks would see it.

        Also, I thought about it deeply and failed to see how this could be used in a bad way. The only thing I really hesitated about was listing the name and address of the person who owned the company. I was mostly including the name/address/other info in case someone may know if there’s a connection to the church (I could find none myself for this individual…..just a skateboarder by that name).

        If you’re talking about OSA or someone seeing this, I’m not sure what bad could come from them seeing it. All they can do it take it down (which has not been done at this time), which would be good in my opinion. I just didn’t want anyone sending any information by Messenger to this account.

        If there is another reason that I haven’t thought about, please let me know what other harm may come from putting this out there publicly that I may not have considered. Thanks.

    • WhiteCentauress

      I sent you a message on twitter.

      • Mick Roberts

        I just checked and never received it. Not sure if I need to do something to get it working or not though (I’m not a Twitter expert by any stretch of the imagination).

        • WhiteCentauress

          It wasn’t on my sent messages, so not sure what happened. I redid it. It’s about the post about MR from yesterday. Very worrisome.

  • Mrs. B ( noseinabk)

    I got my hair did today and we talked vacations. Hairdresser said she was going to visit Clearwater at her in- laws for the 2nd time. I asked if she knew about the cult and she said she watched the Remini show and knows more now than she did last year. Someone in the family did tell her about the cult invasion but now she knows enough to want to go have a proper tour. I will press her for pics since I encouraged her to have a look and to keep an eye on who was watching back.

    Her biggest question was how the first generation got the 2nd to buy into this bullshit.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Did you tell her to be sure to have a beer at what his face’s pub? I don’t remember his name. Sorry

    • Storm Chaser

      Don’t forget about visiting Winter at the Clearwater Marine Aquarium – it’s a can’t miss!

    • Graham

      Surely the time has come for some enterprising entrepreneur to start offering “Xenu: The Truth Revealed” tours of Clearwater? Start off with a VIP visit to Winter the Dolphin, then a guide-narrated tour of all the main Scientology buildings with stop-offs for photo opportunities. Then paying respects at the site of Lisa McPherson’s memorial ‘stone’ before finishing with drinks at the Lucky Anchor.

      • Storm Chaser

        Sounds like a plan – sign me up! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Supper Powers

        I’d go on that tour if Jimmy3 or Fly were the tour guide.

    • We all tend toward the religion and politics in which we were raised.
      Add in brainwashing from birth and you have 2d gen Scientologists.

      • Mrs. B ( noseinabk)

        I talked with her about it last year but now she gets it. She compared it to the flds shows she had seen before watching the A&E show. Now she will be observing with a new perspective. Last year she was more dismissive of it than she is now.

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    I challenge Margaret Atwood to comment on the fact that a current member of scientology, in good standing, is currently representing a character in a fiction she wrote about an oppressive religion and culture that is eerily similar to the “church” of scientology.

    I have faith in her awareness of, and clear perception of, the irony in the portrayal of one of her characters by a member of scientology.

    I am pretty sure she might have a few choice words on the matter.

  • Storm Chaser

    Elisabeth Moss is a CofS celebrity? I did not know that – bummer! I really enjoyed her performance as Peggy in Mad Men and was planning on watching this because of her… double bummer!!

    • SarahDB

      I dont think her religion takes away from the fact she is a talented actor, Handmaids Tale is well done a well worth watching.

      • Storm Chaser

        Actually, this has nothing to do with religion. A person’s belief system is their belief system – it doesn’t affect me at all and I don’t care as long as no one is being hurt by it. However, I consider the CofS a destructive, high control criminal organization masquerading as a religion for tax purposes, whose crimes and abusive practices are well documented here and elsewhere. Knowing that, I couldn’t possibly watch this show and suspend my ‘belief’ long enough to enjoy it (regardless of how good the acting is), because I’d now be thinking about the CofS the entire time.

        • SarahDB

          Ok, to each their own, I feel the same way about Cruise, but only because he has taken much-documented advantage of his status as buddy to DM.

          • Storm Chaser

            I agree with you about TC & DM, but I wasn’t a fan of Cruise’s acting or movies even before I knew about the scn connection. I think the last one I saw that I enjoyed was ‘Rainman’… but that had more to do with the story line and Dustin Hoffman’s portrayal in the film. The irony of Moss’s role in ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ is just more than I can handle at the moment, and would definitely detract from the whole experience for me.

            • SarahDB

              I get it, if you haven’t read it then I would recommend the book by Margaret Atwood, also a podcast did a dramatic retelling of it, Secrets, Crimes and Audiotape. It’s a great story!

            • Storm Chaser

              Thanks – I will! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • JustSheila

    I thought Elizabeth Moss’s acting was spectacular – and IMO, unlike the canned performances of most actors/actresses who are Scientologists.

    It was so good, in fact, that I think she must be at least on the fence, if quietly. When was the last time she made a public statement supporting Scientology? Does anyone know?