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Families of rescued patients are sharply divided on Scientologist-run Tennessee hellhole

[Marc Vallieres and one of his Woodbury, Tennessee cabins]

The Underground Bunker has spoken to family members of both of the people who were rescued from a notorious Tennessee mental health facility operated by Scientologists that was raided in February and was subsequently shut down by court order, with three of the Scientologist operators being charged criminally.

The brother of the young man who managed to call 911 and attract sheriff’s deputies explained to us how that happened, and he tells us he’s relieved that his brother was rescued and is receiving proper treatment. The brother of the woman who was also rescued, a Scientologist, denounced the sheriff’s department of Cannon County, and he defended Marc Vallieres, the Scientologist who was charged with two felonies for keeping the patients in cabins that were locked from the outside.

“I would say Marc is a saint,” the man tells us. And he has a lot more to say about the situation.

Vallieres and his Woodbury, Tennessee facility, Life Center for a New Tomorrow, came to our attention several years ago when it became clear that the rural location was being used for carrying out Scientology’s infamous “Introspection Rundown” procedure on the mentally ill. The procedure was invented by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in the 1970s after he said he had discovered that the way to treat the severely mentally ill was to isolate them in silence until their conditions improved.

Actual mental health experts don’t take Hubbard’s ideas seriously, and the Introspection Rundown — also known more informally as “the baby watch” by Scientologists — has proved dangerous and even deadly. In 1995, a Church of Scientology member named Lisa McPherson had a nervous breakdown and was subjected to the baby watch in a room at the Fort Harrison Hotel, the centerpiece of Scientology’s “Flag Land Base” in Clearwater, Florida. Seventeen days later, she was dead by dehydration after caretakers had kept her isolated and would not talk to her, and she refused food and drink. McPherson’s death turned out to be one of Scientology’s most famous scandals, although the church managed to dodge criminal charges leveled by the state. In 2004, the church also settled a wrongful death lawsuit with McPherson’s aunt.

Several years ago, we realized that Scientology had learned from that debacle by moving its Introspection Rundown treatments to a small cluster of cabins in rural Tennessee, out of the view of a prying press. We wrote previously about two troubling cases there, one involving a severely schizophrenic young woman who ended up being moved to a basement in Arkansas, and another about a woman named Barbara Cordova Oliver who had been a fixture at Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre.

We have spoken to Life Center’s owner/manager Marc Vallieres only one time by telephone. We called him to ask about the condition of Barbara Oliver, and he told us to call the Celebrity Centre, which we took to be telling evidence that he was operating Life Center as an adjunct to the church itself. (Recent press reports that the Tennessee facility was “owned and operated by the Church of Scientology,” however, are incorrect.)

We hadn’t heard anything about Vallieres or his Life Center for a New Tomorrow in some time, and then news came this week from the Cannon Courier, a small paper in Tennessee, that Vallieres was facing two felony counts of facilitation of kidnapping, and two of his associates, Denis Flamand and Hans Snyder Lytle, were also charged with false imprisonment. Flamand and Lytle were able to plead to misdemeanors and were sentenced to a year’s probation, and we were told by the circuit court clerk that Vallieres was allowed to enter a diversion program and was sentenced to two years of state probation. We left a message for Vallieres, and we also emailed an attorney who is representing two of the men, but we haven’t received a response.

According to the Cannon County Sheriff’s Department, on February 7 a 911 call was placed by a young man at the facility, and when they arrived on the scene, they found the young man locked in a cabin looking out at them through a plexiglass window. They went inside after Flamand removed a padlock on the outside of the door. Inside they found the young man in a cabin that had only a few sheets — they found “no obvious amenities for life.” They rescued the young man and took him to an emergency room. Later, they went back to the facility and the caretakers appeared to be packing up to leave. They were arrested instead, and the deputies rescued another patient who was being held in a locked cabin, a 48-year-old woman.

The sheriff’s report is redacted, but sloppily, so we were able to put together the first and last names of both of the victims, and used that to track down each of their older brothers, who were both in California. Because the victims are mentally ill, we have decided not to use any of their names.

The young man who was rescued — a 24-year-old we’re going to call Nathan — has been diagnosed as both bipolar and schizophrenic, says his older brother — we’ll call him Jim — who lives in Beverly Hills.

“Yeah, he’s my younger brother. He’s OK. But from what my mom says, it was very bad treatment, an uninhabitable condition,” Jim says. “My brother is really not able to care for himself. He’s mentally ill. He’s schizophrenic.”

We asked him if he or Nathan had any previous involvement in Scientology. He said that no one in the family was involved in Scientology, but his brother Nathan had said it was something he wanted to try. “He went to Tennessee before. This was his second time around. The first time he didn’t seem to have a problem with it,” Jim says.

Jim was skeptical, however, and he says the family was paying Vallieres $10,000 a month. “It’s a travesty,” he says. “They put them in small cabins and padlocked the doors. We didn’t know that. He had been there before and he never said anything about that.”

Jim was alarmed because Scientology treats mental illness without medication. “Without medication he’d go into full-on psychosis. And then he’d make these phone calls. He’d say he was being chased or held against his will.”

In other words, when his brother was off his meds, he’d use his phone to make delusional phone calls. But this time, he called 911 and said he was being held against his will. Deputies showed up, and that actually turned out to be the case.

So he already had a phone the whole time? “He was able to use the phone always,” Jim says.

After his rescue, Nathan was brought home to California. “We have him in a program here, and he’s getting medication now. But it’s not easy to take care of someone who has a tough case of bipolar and schizophrenia.”

We heard a very different story when we talked to the older brother of the woman who was rescued in Tennessee. She too was brought home to California, and she’s now being housed at a mental hospital. And her brother — we’ll call him Ed — is very unhappy about it.

Ed is a Scientologist who works at a drug rehab center which used to be part of Scientology’s Narconon network. The clinic cut ties with Narconon and Ed assures us that the clinic no longer uses Scientology methods.

But Ed himself is still a church member, and he’s angry about Marc Vallieres being criminally charged and his Life Center for a New Tomorrow being shut down.

“My sister was OK when she was there, and now she’s in a mental hospital in San Jose. She hasn’t had a shower in two weeks. Her condition is horrible,” Ed tells us.

“Whatever Marc is doing is a godsend. I’m on the other side of this issue,” he says. “My sister’s in a hospital where they don’t let her go through the food line, they don’t let her have any utensils. She has a rash on her face. She’s gained 40 pounds since she was with Marc. Marc is a lifesaver. I wish he was still open so I can put her there again.”

We asked him what kind of treatment his sister was receiving at Vallieres’ facility — was he aware that the baby watch had been used there? Ed says that Vallieres was doing “CCH 1” with her because she was “Type 3” — Scientology’s jargon for psychotic — “so she was in a quiet environment,” Ed says.

We learned about CCH 1, one of the “control, communication, havingness” exercises that are common to Scientology, from former church official Claire Headley in our “Up the Bridge” series: “In CCH 1 the two people sit opposite each other and one says ‘give me that hand,’ to the other, over and over.”

And the point of the exercise, and of keeping her in a quiet environment?

“They’re trying to eliminate the multiple thetans that were making her life hard to live,” Ed says.

(When Scientologists reach the “OT 3” auditing level, after several years of indoctrination and several hundred thousand dollars in costs, they learn that we are not individual beings, but that each of us is infested with hundreds or thousands of unseen souls — “body thetans” — which came to Earth some 75 million years ago in a galactic genocide.)

“I’ve been there multiple times. She was clean and she had clean clothes on. Sure, Marc’s place isn’t the best. But people there, they are hard on the place. They break windows and beat on the walls. Yes, she’s at a hospital now. But is her life good? No. Is she vibrant? No. At least in Tennessee she could go outside, breathe fresh air and have good nutritious meals,” Ed says. “I would say Marc is a saint.”

We asked him if he knew what Vallieres was going to do after his facility was closed down.

“I don’t think the place was shut down, but he decided to leave the state,” Ed says, but he declined to tell us where Vallieres was going.

We reminded Ed that his sister was found by sheriff’s deputies in a squalid cabin that had been padlocked from the outside.

“Sure, that’s what the sheriff says. Maybe they were locked inside for a few minutes to keep them from running around. The sheriff has nothing to say. They torture people daily,” he responds.

We asked him if his sister had been diagnosed as either bipolar or schizophrenic, and he said that she’d been diagnosed with both. But he’s angry that she is being held in a hospital and he can’t get her out.

“The side effects of the medications they put her on? It’s horrible. She’s a ward of the county and we can’t get her out of there. We need more places like Marc’s,” he says.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,741 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,844 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,338 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,378 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,090 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 616 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,705 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,845 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,165 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,140 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 496 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,798 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 905 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,307 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,180 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 761 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,266 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,510 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,619 days.

 
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  • Rasha

    A padlock on the outside of the door. Marc is such a saint.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      You did that to me at a Rashfarian “org.”

      • Rasha

        It was a fuzzy padlock, let’s be honest, here.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          with fuzzy handcuffs, to boot.

          • Rasha

            😉

    • Marc was trying for sainthood but Maximilian Kolbe beat him to it.

      • Rasha

        If only Marc had offered to be locked in the cabin with no way out……

  • Jimmy3

    The Patron Saint of Kidnapping and Unlawful Imprisonment.

    Scientology’s Saints really suck compared to other cool religions.

    • ExCult.Jan

      MKid, better add a “$ $aint$” column to your spreadsheet, J3 may have just rerouted a river.

      Edit: needed more $ signs.

  • nottrue

    Only Scientology can help her with that….Right Ed.. Ed’s sister needs to be checked on after she gets the correct medications she needs.. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5077e4f375466510ac28bfa9dafd181e471a1eacce48fabd0f633a63de2a99c8.jpg

    • PickAnotherID

      If Ed believes that, maybe he needs a mental health check.

      • redfisch

        If Ed believes that, he’s the one who is barking mad.

  • “Sure, that’s what the sheriff says. Maybe they were locked inside for a few minutes to keep them from running around. The sheriff has nothing to say. They torture people daily,” he responds.

    Exactly. Sheriffs the world over completely fabricate evidence and testimony all the time about Scientology. And when they’re not busy fabricating testimony, they’re spending every spare minute torturing prisoners, especially Scientologists.

    Meanwhile, Scientology has a voluntary religious retreat called the RPF where staff members are free to voluntarily rehabilitate their devotion to their religion in a purely voluntary manner, and Scientologists can be counted on to tell the truth about whether or not their supreme leader tortures prisoners.

    • Rasha

      Of course! Just as trained rescue workers, risking their own lives to help people in disasters are useless, in the face of Scientology Volunteer Ministers, laying down rails for their camera setups, pushing aside first aid workers (who are totally useless), and grabbing babies to get just the right shot. Oh, and poking victims with ungloved fingers and saying, “Can you feel this?”.

      Only a Scientologist can help.

    • That line jumped out at me also. A Scientologist saying that sheriffs torture people? I think that sheriffs usually only do that at the behest of the illuminati or lizard people.

      • FredEX2

        For sure its the Lizard people Phil. You know you should never ever mention the illuminati…( FredEX2 silently sneaks away out the hidden door …shhhhhh)

        • It’s so cute that you think you can hide from the illuminati.

          • Noesis

            Lol.

          • Edward Whalley

            I’ve always wondered who I’d have to do to join the Illuminati.

          • FredEX2

            LOL 😉

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        BACA yah know one of DM’s friends..

    • Noesis

      If it were not for false equivalencies, 99% of Scientology’s justifications for their abusive practices would simply vanish.

      It’s no wonder that Hubbard spent so much time vilifying psychiatry, doctors and other learned professions that – for the most part – are actually trying to help people.

      And like criminals say everywhere – when law enforcement shows up – it’s because the cops are “corrupt.”

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Breathtaking delusion.

      • SLIM

        Hey…
        I said the exact same thing…Jinx

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          If you grew up in our house I would now be forbidden to speak until you pinched me, because you said “jinx” first!

          • SLIM

            I had that game as well…I was born in London…
            My mum was like the Queen..

          • SLIM

            Also in Canada…You said …[you owe me a coke…

      • Tracy Schmitz

        mixed with the world’s greatest chip on the shoulder revenge (hubbard)…

    • George Layton

      Maybe they have a spare room for Ed right next to his sisters.

    • Jgg2012

      Sheriffs are controlled by alien Lizard people.

  • Jimmy3

    Jim was skeptical, however, and he says the family was paying Vallieres $10,000 a month. “It’s a travesty,” he says. “They put them in small cabins and padlocked the doors. We didn’t know that. He had been there before and he never said anything about that.”

    Jim was alarmed because Scientology treats mental illness without medication. “Without medication he’d go into full-on psychosis. And then he’d make these phone calls. He’d say he was being chased or held against his will.”

    These two paragraphs seem to contradict one another. Is he talking about different ‘stays’? Because he says we didn’t know it was all padlocked and isolated, and then he says his brother would complain about being held against his will.

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes, when his brother was off his meds, he’d use the phone to make crazy calls and say he was being chased or he was being held against his will — whether he was or not.

      But this time, apparently, he made such a call to 911, the sheriff’s deputies showed up, and he actually was being held against his will.

      “It was a thousand to one shot, doc. Thousand to one.”

      • Tony Ortega

        (I’ll try to make it a little more clear.)

      • Jimmy3

        Appreciate the explanation, and of the odds of that working. And you dumbing it down for me a little.

      • mandymarie20

        What I don’t understand about this interview, is why they did nothing when they kept getting crazy phone calls? Were they not concerned that he apparently was off his meds a lot when he was supposed to be a treatment center to get better? Shouldn’t that have been a 100 foot tall red flag? Does no one care about these people?

        • Sherbet

          #1: It is really, really hard to be sure a schizophrenic takes his meds.
          #2: Sick people have rights, and they can’t simply be tossed into a hospital and force-fed the correct meds. In many cases, they can leave. They can stop taking meds.
          #3: Somebody has to pay the hospital to keep the sick person there.

          It just isn’t easy, that’s all.

          • mandymarie20

            I understand. I am well aware of these troubles from personal experience. What I meant is if someone is supposed to be in treatment, and they clearly are not getting better, as their family, is it not incumbent on you to find out if everything is ok? You can’t force someone to take their medicine, this can be a major problem, but if you send someone to a facility specifically so they get better, and they aren’t, wouldn’t there at least be some questioning as to if they were getting proper care? I would be curious about what is happening and if my relative is getting the care I’m paying for. In every medical situation – not just mental health – you have to constantly make sure care is correct and you have to ask questions or you will get rolled over and never know if you are getting the best treatment available for your problems.

            • Sherbet

              You are right, of course. It’s hard to know how much Jim and his mother monitored Nathan. I suspect they just kept their fingers crossed and hoped for the best.

          • cheradenine

            Here in the UK you can be sectioned and be medicated involuntarily by law. Is this not the case in the US?

            • Robert Eckert

              The legal standard is “danger to self or others”. If the patient is not suicidal or self-cutting or whatever, and has threatened no violence and committed no crimes, it is difficult to get an involuntary commitment, and that is as it should be.

    • Leslie Dean

      he is used to his brother claiming he is being held against his will when not on medication…….but this time it was for real…..

      • Jimmy3

        Yeah, but it read as if that wasn’t the case at first, even tho it was the same process, and similarly without any medication. He stayed there before and didn’t mention it. Just a minor detail I was curious about. I get it.

  • Pezza

    CCHs for psychosis, that is pure insanity. They commit crimes like locking people up against their will that they claim psychiatry is guilty of.

  • AntoniaW

    Thank goodness that poor woman is now a ward of the state. It’s not often one says that.

  • $cnMonkeyNut$

    We reminded Ed that his sister was found by sheriff’s deputies in a squalid cabin that had been padlocked from the outside.“Sure, that’s what the sheriff says. Maybe they were locked inside for a few minutes to keep them from running around. The sheriff has nothing to say. They torture people daily,” he responds.

    Which is why police officers are incresingly wearing body-cams (and police stations have nearly as many cameras as Int Base) so jerks like ‘Ed’ can’t make unfounded allegations like this.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Exactly! And his comments about her not showering, gaining weight, etc…

      Yep when we had to have one of my parents 5150’d/forcibly hospitalized (who was exhibiting symptoms of bipolar, psychosis and delusional thinking) they weren’t in GREAT condition at first either while they determined what meds worked well, got my parent used to them, etc. but once that occurred and normal sleep and eating patterns were back, showering, etc recommenced (the hospital tried to get my parent to bathe daily but wouldn’t force it…

      Yes, many psych drugs may initially cause weight gain when the patient is finally eating and sleeping the typically again. In time it all balances out and I have a fairly genuine and normal relationship with this parent for the first time since I was in elementary school (I’m 43!). So big brother, set YOUR personal “religious” agenda aside, put your sister first, be patient and watch her thrive!

      Note: oh yeah – the BEST thing to tell someone who’s bipolar and potential delusional or dealing with schizophrenic episodes is that they have a bunch of freaking space cooties and two many “thetans” in there!!! Whoops forgot – and then AFTER that comforting diagnosis – lock them in the freaking woods and refuse to talk to them. That sounds fan-freaking-brilliant you douche!

      • Tracy Schmitz

        your last paragraph nailed it! yeah, what great ideas to tell and treat such persons!.. then again, cult-ology doesn’t believe in the brain being deceased, it’s literally only in “the mind” and can be cured by thinking happy thoughts, exercise and eating healthy! everything can be cured! 100% of the time, 100% every time, 100% with everyone! uh huh..

        • Princess Squishy

          its not just sci that believes that, plenty of people walking around on the street believe that about mental illnesses. Doesn’t make it any less wrong for Scientologists to believe that, but in this case they aren’t as alone as they usually are.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            uh, NO ONE i know thinks that mental illness can be cured 100% of the time, 100% no matter what, 100% with everyone with thinking happy thoughts, exercise and eating healthy.. their might be disagreements and confusion as to the best treatment and if drugs and which drugs are necessary, but NO ONE thinks like scientology, unless they are scientologists themselves, have themselves mental issues or are BEYOND grossly ignorant and uneducated….

            • Princess Squishy

              I didn’t say people that held those believes were intellectual giants, but I have heard that opinion stated frequently (online and occasionally in real life), that all you need to treat your depression is some good time with nature, walks, exercise for endorphins, etc. Not necessarily that the medicine is evil, but that treatment with drugs is unnatural and unnecessary, and that people are depressed these days because they don’t go outside enough or get enough natural light or breathe enough fresh air. Etc. They aren’t right. drugs for depression and all other mental illnesses are lifesavers and should come without stigma, but there is a lot of misinformation out there about mental illnesses and treatments.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              well a large number of people are STILL ignorant on depression, and that there is a difference between being depressed and CLINICAL depression.. however, more and more people are realizing this, and of course nearly everyone know that SEVERE mental behavior cannot be cured by the scientology way of eat this, think this (when such thought is even beyond their ability to do so!), exercise and do alot of auditing!.. would love for those who are the public face of this insidious scam that is scientology (i.e. cruise) be asked for all the world to see “so, tell me what and how would you treat someone with such and such severe mental diagnosis and do tell how that would and does work 100% of the time, 100% everytime, 100% with everyone! and please give us the decades of research, studies, clinical trials, patients, documentation and published works that scientology has done on the subject as PROOF! interesting how even now that has NEVER EVER EVER been shown (and we know never done!)…. all that cult has is pointing out the negative which anyone can do about anything! much harder to PROVE what you propose works instead, which of course the cult can’t do! remember “attack never defend!”… all of this now, that would be fall down hilarious if it wasn’t so outrageously stupid and dangerous!..

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Great points. Sure Ed is acting like a douche as many scientologist will do while under the influence of hubbard. Yet, many of us left, had and are having a good series of showers to remove the hate and crap hubbard dumped on us.
        I say let’s give a bit of hope that Ed will take a long trip, away from any scientology and reflect, shower and repeat as needed to be truly clear in his miind as to where true compassion and life comes from.
        It has happened before right?

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Absolutely! Plus seeing the change he’s about to see in his sis – plus sadly – though it’s hard to see that way – he clearly cares a lot about her to want her to get the type of help he thinks she needs! So perhaps when he sees change and improvement it will change his heart as it has so many others! At least he’s actually conserned about what’s going on with his sister!!!

      • Baby

        Happy for genuine relationship with your parent Jen. sigh.. Wow..sorry you had to go through that honey. xo

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Thanks Baby! 😘 Def took some time and I tend to be a bit gun shy, but thankful for having some type of relationship now!

          • Baby

            gun shy is good. I am always gun shy around my Narc daughter.. Keep it cool for my grandkids.. xxoxo

  • AntoniaW

    I once had a friend’s friend staying with me – turned out she was bipolar, & off her meds. It was a while before I realised what was happening, then family were called, then she was sectioned. It taught me one thing; severe mental illness absolutely requires medical help, and it is absolutely not something that can be left to amateurs. I suppose my point is that I don’t see how the $cilons could have failed to realise that they were totally out of their depth with cases like these.

    • lkjl asdc

      I have a friend who’s bipolar, and she’s called me several times while locked up after having a psychotic episode, and it’s not pretty. She’ll be so out of touch with reality that I’ve always been stunned she remembers my phone number. Everything she says is so nuts. It’s not simply a matter of being depressed or manic, there’s so much to that particular illness.

      And a coworker rented a room in his home to a friend who was bipolar. Well, that guy went nuts & my coworker actually had to move out of his home while he got a court order to remove his tenant. Local SWAT came to the house because of something this guy did. The whole thing was completely insane.

      • AntoniaW

        Yep. How anyone thinks that the Thing described as CCH1 is ever going to cut it is completely beyond me.

  • Susan black

    Shame on you, “Ed.” Abandon your sister, refuse to acknowledge obvious abuse, and take no responsibility yourself. Yep, it was the Sheriff’s fault. Pathetic.

  • Observer

    I hope “Ed’s” sister gets well, at least well enough to tell “Ed” where he can shove his saintly Marc Vallieres.

    • joan nieman

      I love your replies Obs. I even look for them sometimes!

  • Noesis

    What this crap proves (again) is that Scientology is not going to change its practices, but it will shape-shift the manner of its abuses so that they are more carefully concealed – or made “legal” through wordsmithing, lawyering and pretense.

    Scientology is a continuous protean fraud – morphing to stay one step ahead of the law, while charging people for damaging “help” and convincing them (and their relatives if possible) that it’s for their own good.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Paging the FBI

      Paging the IRS

      • chukicita

        Don’t forget the FDA. They are why Scientology is a “religion” at all.

    • Leslie Dean

      Agreed…….that is why Leah says she don’t want to hear your story she wants to know what are you trying to do about it.

  • nottrue

    Why did he get a Plea Bargain….That should be min. 20yrs in prison . He got a slap on the hand.. //,, https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e40c1eceee0761c7cea6b1abecad2fd2e1ec7c35aaddff4e9e163516f1d647a.jpg

    • Jimmy3

      There’s a lot of crime. If the deal seems right to the county prosecutors, they can get it off their plates without sinking the time and resources into a trial. May be sad, but it’s more efficient.

      • ozzybud420

        Exactly its both a time and cost saving measure. They save a fortune on the legal process and trials aren’t cheap. Its just sad when you look at the charges that some people get really lenient deals and others who SHOULD get them don’t.

    • Science Doc

      But he could have set up a Criminon Chapter!

    • iampissed

      Yea what is with the “by information” thing?

      • Robert Eckert

        “information” is a stage prior to an “indictment” in some procedures (I don’t know Tennessee procedures)

  • Scientology through their CCHR front group wants to shut down all of psychiatry completely. If they were (never gonna happen) successful then where would all those patients go? We’d have Life Center for a New Tomorrow hellholes everywhere.

    • I love the fantasy about eradicating the psychs. There are more psychs (38,000 psychiatrists and 116,000 members of the American Psychological Association) in the US alone than there are Scientologists. Note that I’m not talking about the number of patients which is the correct comparison to the number of Scientologists — that number is more like 35 million people who either see a psychologist or who take at least one psychiatric medication over the course of a year versus less than 10,000 Scientologists.

      In fact, given that there are about 4 million live births in the US every year, if you assume that 15% of those are to couples where at least one parent has taken psychiatric meds in the prior year, then you get 600,000 births to psych patients — a number far greater than the total membership of the cult.

      It’s as embarrassing as the “clearing the planet” numbers — 360,000 live births per day on the planet versus about 5 Scientologists going clear per day. They’ll never catch up.

      • Great point. And you’d actually have to compare number of psychs to number of active Scientology auditors which probably number no more than 500 to 1000 max.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        oh you, using wog logic, wog math and wog lies, besides we got billions of years to clear this planet! (overflowing sarcasm!)..

    • iampissed

      Well ya.

      • Hi.. I’m calling You! from Sprint, would you like to be Disconnected? Only $5 extra per month!

        • iampissed

          Please can you make it a monthly charge

    • Phatpharm

      don’t most rehabs do this though? I thought they had to earn phone privileges and the such and I don’ think they get to keep their cell phones.

      • True, but the word Disconnected, He he.. Typical Scios. Could have used the word Isolated imo

        • Phatpharm

          That is true, but when ingrained in our brains we speak the words we know. Don’t get wrong, most places don’t padlock their patients in rooms and have time limits on restraints especially with psych patients. They are practicing medicine without a license since most of the conditions they are treating are considered disease states. I wonder how they keep practicing?

  • iampissed

    Wow…really just wow. Tony if you have ever slacked off before you made up for it this week.

    PS…Tony has never slacked off.

  • mirele

    Scientology doesn’t even offer its services to the mentally ill. If you’ve taken evil psych drugs, you’re an “illegal pre-clear.” That’s as much an admission that Scientology can do NOTHING for the mentally ill. And I would bet money that Valieres wasn’t giving evil psych drugs to “Nathan” or the woman being held there. I personally know what happens when someone stops taking their psychiatric medications–you become psychotic as the residue of the medication washes out of your system. I’m having to restrain myself, I so want to throttle Valieres.

  • flyonthewall

    “They’re trying to eliminate the multiple thetans that were making her life hard to live,”

    Isn’t that verbal tech and a big no no? Especially if you’re talking to the head merchant of chaos. Also, I’m so sure they don’t use Scientology in the rehab place he works. Why would he, as a dedicated Scientologist, be working there if it didn’t?

    • iampissed

      Points well asked.

    • Jimmy3

      This Ed guy is fucked. In the head and in his Scientology career.

      • flyonthewall

        it’s really weird. Wouldn’t he have been debriefed and coached by OSA? I’d assume he’d of gotten instructions not to talk to media, especially Tony.

        • OSA can’t get to every PR hill-10. Good sign. Less OSA more hill-10. And yes, this ‘Ed’ is in big trouble. Can’t believe he mentioned BTs on the phone regardless who too.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Poor Ed isn’t the only one in trouble here. Look out OSA.

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            BTs….ha ha ha yes. Also I had a jaw drop on his mentioning of it. Is that $50k or a $100K contract breakage…?

        • Supper Powers

          Perhaps the Church is pushing him away and distancing themselves from all of them.

          • flyonthewall

            idk, I’d think they would want control of the situation. Tony could of gotten to his dumbass first. OSA might not be on the ball like tigger said. I wonder if he’s even on course? Could still consider himself a scientologist but not be connected to the cult.

          • flyonthewall

            so many possibilities!

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            They do have a lot of busses.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Something fell through the cracks here that seems fairly unusual in clam land.

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            The pressure of desperation,,, making so many cracks in their firewalled bubble.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          True that is likely. Although keep in mind that his mind is already coached over the years and embedded with the ‘journalists are all SP’s ‘ etc thought patterns.
          I will guess but I simply don’t know, that OSA has trained lawyers on how to deal with media with a similar framework, which of course would slide right in along the already normal practice of ‘client confidentiality’.

        • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

          OSA and the lower Department of Special Affairs nearest to this Valliers camp, couldn’t get to them quick enough, and Ed winged it.

          Scientology is way worse incompetent and as things fall apart, more wierdnesses are on the menu for sure.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        and we know ed is quote “normal” mentally himself because????

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Of course it is! I sure do wish these ignorant $cilons would learn something about their own damn fake religion! They’re body thetans, you fool, not REAL thetans like us!

      Once lil davey gets wind of Ed spilling the beans to Tony, there’s going to be hell to pay! You can be sure of that. No one is supposed to admit that this is a cult-approved detention facility.

      But since we’re on the subject, I wonder how much Vallieres was kicking back to lil davey for the privilege of being $cn’s official unofficial fake mental health treatment “spa”?

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        DM head of RTC is responsible for that… let’s ask him

        • Tracy Schmitz

          nope, no can do, never head of this place and where is it at again? DM

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            Obviously DM’s mind is still un cleared if he can’t remember where it is. Meanwhile science is still unable to find any conscience in his world.
            There is believed to be a common denominator to both dilemna.
            It is commonly referred to as SPIN.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        surely a fake made up title behind his name, gaudy trophy and a photo op is in order?!.. still though he’s not qualified to get a medal and be declared the most dedicated scientologist the leader knows! gee, what do i have to do to be all that vallieres wonders?!

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      It is very likely the verbal tech meme, although it had its usefulness to prevent alteration of hubbards way, was fundamentally servicing the fact that scientology, CMO a division of the Sea Org in particular, is specifically trained in using verbal communication of criminal programs run within scientology. The purpose of that is to leave no written evidence to the criminal plans and programs.

  • Chee Chalker

    Was ‘Ed’ aware that by speaking to a giant SP like Tony Ortega, he will have to pay to be sec checked?

    God only knows how many new BTs jumped through the phone lines from the merchant of chaos onto the unsuspecting scientologist

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I thought they travelled only by DC 8s ? Oh forget it, I just finished watching a 36&1/2 day movie and my mind is a little pre-occupied with hubbard implantations. 😉

  • Phatpharm

    Naughty Naughty “Ed”. I don’t think he got permission to speak with an SP. Even though Tony didn’t give away his identity, I am sure Davey boy can find out whose sister this is. Such a sad story.

  • Noesis

    Independent of Scientology – people can be assholes. Sometimes those people are also Scientologists which can make the situation even worse.

    In the wog medical industry there is the slang term “Granny Dumping.” It can take many forms but at its core is the dropping off of an elderly or otherwise disabled / difficult family member at a hospital (often a public facility) and declaring that the person dropping them off can not care for them because they are (insert excuse here.)

    In most states, hospitals are required to accept patients dropped off who appear to be unable to medically care for themselves or somehow otherwise at risk, at least long enough to stabilize them and make arrangements to move them to a more appropriate facility.

    Because insurance (both private and public) is more strict than it used to be, Granny Dumping has declined on an absolute basis, but still peaks right before major Holidays such as Christmas or the 4th of July. The reason (and this is where the “people are assholes” part comes into play) is that the family members doing the Granny Dumping want a period of refuge from the elderly, disabled or difficult person they are depositing for “care” at whatever facility will take them – so the family can have a more restful Holiday.

    In many instances, the maximum stay that insurance will pay (assuming insurance exists) is three days, which is perfect if one is looking for a three day Holiday – minus the aged relative. Sometimes the family member doing the dumping knows about the cost and expects to pay the medical care facility, but often times they will argue bitterly over the bill or just refuse to pay altogether.

    The situation with traditional “Granny Dumping” is somewhat different than here because the folks in Tennessee were being “cared for” on a longer term basis. But it is hard to know about the above and not read into some of the defensive comments from the family members about why the “care” their relatives were receiving in Tennessee was acceptable.

    It’s a human tragedy and the problem is much larger than just what happens in Scientology.

    • And “Granny Dumping.” is the result of our piss poor health (non)-system.
      And Rump and the Republicans are trying to make it worse.

      • Noesis

        Granny dumping is also caused in part by people’s choices (the dumpers, many of whom are upper middle-class) and it is very, very difficult to get some folks to make good, non-selfish choices.

        There are many conflicting influences and actors that complicate good health care delivery, especially in an environment where huge sums of money are washing around because of broad availability of employment related insurance drives up health care demand (and therefore pricing) for those that do not have that kind of private coverage. Many of the activities and procedures that the general public complain about in the current health care system are mandated by government regulations and insurance considerations.

        I’m pretty familiar with many of the the doctor / hospital / insurer arguments about what is wrong with the current ACA (Obamacare) and not quite sure how many of those issues are addressed via the recently House passed AHCA, which appears to be primarily about reducing total government costs. Trying to reduce government expenditures is understandable but cannot (now) occur without either increasing costs for selected classes of currently covered folks, or eliminating subsidized coverage entirely for other classes. There are winners and losers in any legislation affecting millions of people – this issue in particular has been incredibly messy.

        It is also true that many, many of the ill-effects of the current ACA (including private insurers pulling out of the exchanges, extreme increases in certain premiums, curtailed doctor availability, etc.) were predicted and warned about when the folks then in charge of Congress steamrolled the current plan into law with minimal debate in a bill that virtually no one had read before voting upon. Implementation of many of the most onerous aspects of the ACA were deliberately delayed (by design – right in the law) so that they would not come online until the folks that demanded them were out of office. Those chickens were coming home to roost in ~ 2017 no matter what happened in the last election. There are no clean hands anywhere in this mess.

        • Robert Eckert

          That’s always how it is
          https://youtu.be/2Zf2nCiBJLo?t=59

          • Noesis

            Yes – a time honored tradition that has been going on forever. I didn’t mention it above, but the folks that steamrolled the “replacement” ACA through the House this week – also did this same thing as the folks that steamrolled its predecessor. Anytime both houses of Congress are held by only one party bad stuff is almost assured, especially when the opposing parties seem to have almost no common ground for compromise.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    I wish both these people the best in their getting treatment but I feel like ‘Nathan’ will fare much better in the future because he has people around him encouraging proper treatment where as the other woman has Scientologists around her telling her falsehoods about proper treatment. Going to try to be optimistic about both of them. At least they’re out of that hellhole.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s always a smoother transition to have loving, supportive family. You’re better with less people in your life that are about, hey, throw them back in the empty, padlocked cabin.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Not that there’s anything wrong with that (between consenting adults of course). 😀

  • flyonthewall

    How can you be paying $10k a month and not even see the place for yourself? Maybe that’s not a lot of money to rich people? If I was paying that kind of money and my own family was being sent there, I’d damn sure check it out myself. Yes, they have a website but it’s a shitty, amateur website so that would a big red flag in itself.

    • Jimmy3

      Been meaning to ask you about that… Fly Lady’s check wasn’t filled out properly and, and I don’t know if she’s discussed it with you yet… But my facility is state of the whatever and all above board. I mean we literally would be staying above a lot of boards. So you two can figure it out maybe and let me know.

      • flyonthewall

        First I’ve heard of this. Real funny flylady. Don’t let on that I know, let’s just see where this goes

        • iampissed

          You two are such a cool breeze on my face at times. Thank You..

          • PerpetualOutflow

            They deserve their own show, don’t they?

      • iampissed

        You two are such a cool breeze on my face at times. Thank You.

    • Robert Eckert

      “If I was paying that kind of money and my own family was being sent there, I’d damn sure check it out myself.” Sounds more like the Duggans’ kind of family, where they’re paying that kind of money precisely *not* to have to see that person or that place, ever.

      • flyonthewall

        that did also cross my mind

      • Tracy Schmitz

        too much effort.. too much work…

      • UhLasare

        Bingo!

  • GrangerFX

    More information about this story here:
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/marc-vallieres-scientology-kidnapping-crime-tennessee-cannon-county-teenagers-treatment/
    Wow the officers had to use a ram to break down doors and serve the search warrant.

    • Chee Chalker

      You didn’t expect the superior scientologists to answer the door to some wog law officers, now did you?

    • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

      “Dr. L Ron Hubbard” for the win. 🙂 “Doctor.” LOL!

  • Shivani33

    What about the “caretakers” packing up to leave while a woman was still locked in a cabin? How can the woman’s brother be so blah about that? It is horrible.

    • FredEX2

      If they were hurriedly packing up to leave…they knew on some level that what they were doing there was wrong and wouldn’t meet anywhere close to a standard of care. I’m surprised that they weren’t also charged with some form of practicing medicine without a license.

      Also, did I read this correctly?…that Vallieres was sentenced to 2 years of State probation…and he has since ‘suddenly left the state’? Ummmmm? Isn’t that a violation of the terms of his probation…are they issuing a warrant if he doesn’t show up to see his probation officer at certain times?

      • Shivani33

        Maybe he ran off to his joint in the Dominican Republic.

        • Shivani33

          Vallieres co-advertises his Woodbury layout with another place, “A Wave of Hope,” and refers to it as “our hospital in the Dominican Republic.” I had to edit my quote from his website.

          It was alarming to read what feels so misleading, preying on people who are so vulnerable. I have an older brother who is mentally ill and has been for at least 60 years. At least he has our family. This hits very close to home. The last thing that a tormented person needs is more torment.

      • joan nieman

        Fred, they can get permission to transfer their probation to another place. That is if the judge allows it.

    • mandymarie20

      He seems to complain that she is left alone in her room at the mental hospital, but had no problem that she was left alone in a locked cabin? I’m sensing some hypocrisy here.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Techie made a wonderful post explaining about how Ed’s vocalized information goes. When a scientologist opens their mouth get your parser in high gear. Scientologist are trained to learn word by dictionary cleared word. So we were trained to be looking for a definition to suit our imposed mission. To try to show an acceptable truth, a shore story a fucking lie if you will,

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Lots to say about this piece. I’ll just make this observation:

    First Ed complains: “My sister’s in a hospital where they don’t let her go through the food
    line, they don’t let her have any utensils. She has a rash on her face.
    She’s gained 40 pounds since she was with Marc.

    Then he says: “Is she vibrant? No. At least in Tennessee she could go outside, breathe fresh air and have good nutritious meals,

    Ed’s dissonance is strong. Bottom line is, if she’s gained weight since going to hospital, (I’m skeptical about his 40 lbs in 3 months claim), she was probably starving when she got there and is now thriving as best she can with the appropriate care now given to her.

    • mandymarie20

      This passage was troubling to me too. If she’s not able to “go through the food line”, how did she gain 40 pounds? It seems like she wouldn’t be gaining so much weight if they weren’t feeding her. And if Ed doesn’t know why they don’t have utensils, he’s either incredibly stupid or naive. And while rashes can come from poor care or a lack of movement, they can also be caused by medication, and if they are experimenting in order to find the right medication, this could be the reason.

      If the place she is in is so bad, find her a new place. There are bad hospitals with poor treatment, but if you are so upset about this particular one, find a new one. People would be must more empathetic to him. Instead it sounds like he just hates mental hospitals (which he probably does). The Introspection Rundown doesn’t work, whether it’s in a cabin in the woods or a fancy Fort Harrison bedroom.

      It is incredibly difficult to have someone committed to or find a bed in a mental hospital. These days. there must be overwhelming reasons for this to occur. She must be in dire need of help. I hope she gets the support she needs because it sure sounds like Ed isn’t it.

      • Sherbet

        I took this to mean she gained 40 lbs. while she was with Marc, although Ed poorly worded the comment.

        • mandymarie20

          I guess I read it the opposite. It seemed to like like he was implying she gained 40 pounds at the hospital from neglect. Perhaps you are right. It was oddly worded.

          • Sherbet

            Ed IS odd, anyway. 😉

      • joan nieman

        Well said mandymarie 20.

    • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

      The dumbfuck probably thinks it’s 40 pounds of Body Thetans.

    • Aslan’s Own

      I have a sister with schizophrenia and unfortunately the anti-psychotic meds that are needed to treat it can cause extreme weight gain. 40 lbs. in 3 months isn’t unusual. The rash could be a side effect. And “no utensils” probably means no metal utensils, for patient safety. She would get plastic utensils. I’m not sure what he means by not going through the food line. It could be a place where the patients are brought trays and eat them in their rooms or in the day room. Nothing he says sounds as bad as being padlocked in a cabin by yourself with no treatment.

  • madame duran

    Wait…Ed didn’t get committed to a mental hospital? WHERE IS THE JUSTICE??

  • flyonthewall

    pretty cool how Tony was able to read the names despite being redacted AND track down relatives AND get them to talk. That’s worth at least a quarter in the tip jar

    • Supper Powers

      You get the Fundraiser of the Week award!

    • chukicita

      Reg.

    • iampissed

      You hold it up to the light.

    • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

      Well, now when the papers are redacted from now on the people who do the redaction will be more careful since they obviously will be informed of the fact that Tony was able to retrieve the image.

  • PickAnotherID

    I hope “Jim” sues to get his $10K a month back, and drags $cientology’s practice of having unqualified money grubbers using $cientology’s version of “faith healing” to practice medicine without a license for profit into the glare of Congressional hearings.

  • Princess Poopypants

    (Please excuse the Scieno-speak. I will try to make this simple!)
    Baby watch and Introspection Rundown are not quite the same thing.
    I highly doubt this facility is really delivering the Introspection RD. CCH1 is not part of Introspection RD.
    In reading what this center is about, it is not actually based on any LRH (but maybe DM found a lost reference, who knows?). The center seems to have the only purpose of “destimulation”. This would effectively basically be vitamins, good food, daily walks, a little bit of light work. This thing of locking them up in rooms is weird, although it has happened before with people in the Sea Org, and I was surprised to see one of the people arrested has a past history of baby watches in the Sea Org, specifically the same thing… locking a person up for months at a time in a cold dark room, trying to get the person to eat and sleep. Meanwhile the entire time that person was worsening by the day.
    The Introspection RD is different, and is done with an e-meter and a Class VI auditor. It is a specific set of processes that are audited (counselled). I highly doubt anyone at this facility was even attempting it.
    Baby watch is just trying to get them food, vits and rest in a quiet environment, away from the day to day troubles.

    • JustSheila

      Thanks for clarifying the difference for others here, Sunny.
      More details about babywatch: The person is in a locked room without entertainment or distraction. The only people allowed there are the ones bringing their meals or cleaning, and they are not allowed to stay long and nobody is allowed to speak to the person in babywatch. Rarely, on occasion, the case supervisor (C/S) passes a note. The C/S relies on the reports from the person bringing food, etc. Note that these are not clinical reports and neither the C/S nor the person bringing food has any idea or formal training of what the person is actually suffering from, nor what they should be looking for, other than that the person quiets down and cooperates.

      Unfortunately, most babywatches don’t go for just a few days, so they turn into a sort of isolation torture. POWs and violent prisoners are put into isolation for punishment, and it is called solitary confinement. It’s such a terrible, mentally tortuous experience in prison, but this is worse. They can’t hear others near them, and unlike solitary confinement prisoners, they can’t even exchange a few words with their guards. Imagine no human contact, no distraction, no entertainment and being completely locked up. It is torture, and can drive a person insane. I’ve heard screaming from isolation rooms in the complex in the early 80s and I’ll bet they didn’t go in there that way.

      Some legal bodies consider solitary confinement to be cruel and unusual, as well as torture. A few days is one thing, but weeks and months… that’s barbaric.

    • While I agree they were probably not technically delivering the Introspection RD, I strongly disagree that what they were doing was “not actually based on any LRH.” The baby watch, which you admit they were doing, is based on LRH. I don’t have the references handy, but I specifically recall that what they were doing is precisely what Hubbard prescribed and ordered (e.g., the isolation, the destimulating environment, etc.) short of a full-blown Introspection RD or when a full-blown IRD was not possible.

      • Princess Poopypants

        Back in the 90’s there was a pack trio that was released:
        Assists
        Intro Auditing
        Group Auditing
        They were binder-type packs with compilations of LRH references on various subjects. They were all pastel colors. I keep thinking there was a mention of it in there.
        Destimulation is mentioned, but nowhere is locking someone up part of the materials that I know of. The word “isolation” is mentioned in Introspection RD materials.
        What they are doing is a mash up of the destimulation/walks/get rest and the isolation mentioned in Introspection RD.
        I probably did not write that above well. Yes destimulation is mentioned by LRH, but the specific “locking up” was not.
        Though I seem to recall LRH did lock up the first Type III on the ship…..
        Here is one of the packs in photo, but I don’t think the reference is in this pack, it is in one of the other two that goes with this set:
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/L-Ron-Hubbard-Group-Auditors-Handbook-Religion-Scientology-Scientologist-/142348845845?hash=item2124a70315:g:nX4AAOSwWiBY~qJ1

        • califa007

          I have those packs – there’s actually four. Group Auditing is in two volumes. I don’t have the time or motivation to go through them all, but if someone has a clue which pack the reference is in, I might be inclined to check out one of them.

          • Princess Poopypants

            I actually remember the name of the reference, which is called PAB 6. Professional Auditors Bulletin #6.

            • califa007

              I looked through the indices of the four packs for “isolate, isolation, destimulate, but couldn’t find anything. The index to the Red volumes shows quite a bit in the HCOBs, but I don’t think I have any PABs. In the four packs there are some references to HCOBs, but in my not too thorough look, I couldn’t find any reference to PABs. I’m sorry, I guess I’m just not motivated to do a major search. I can scan anything out of the four loose leaf packs, but the bound tech volumes would be a bitch to scan, anyway.

  • Ann B Watson

    Tony you have uncovered such vital facts and I understand why you thought best to put your piece up. What jumped out at me was one of the end lines..Two people sit in a quiet environment and one says to the PTS3er, Give me your hand over and over because multiple body Thetans were causing her to to have a hard time living her life. Let that decree sink in for a little time… Frightening and frankly bordering on insanity the treatment the cult prescribes. I was asked in 1977 to take a ride to Santa Barbra, Cali where I would stay in a really nice house and do special drills relating to my health and safety. I thought for a minute and said well I have to write a work order up to get permission to leave my post for that period of time. The lady telling me this was on the SSHBC & OT something & she said Oh you don’t need to do that this is Guardians Office now. I declined the invitation and yes not the smartest move, but survival was my goal and eventually escape. But took till 1978. So after reading your suberb post I am very glad I did not get in her car. The GO backed off for a few weeks but only to re-load their obsession with Rock Slammers, SPs degraded beings & spys at Asho D and F. of which I was the main culprit Tony you deserve whatever makes you smile for this.💛

    • iampissed

      Love your posts.
      ETA: Your inside experiences are of great value to me.

      • Ann B Watson

        Thank you so very much. Any help or other stuff you might need just ask. ❤️❤️

    • joan nieman

      You have some stories to tell too Anne. I am happy that you are one of the lucky ones who got out and have a chance to really live your life in freedom.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Thank you Ann. Why anyone would feel the need to plan an escape from an organization which has a charity tax exemption points to one of the reasons scientology had lost its tax exemption in 1967.
      Although the ruling was related to inurement by hubbard, I am sure the IRS was well aware of the human rights abuses such as locking 4 year olds in a ships anchor chain hole.

      I am sorry that you had to experience the stresses which are induced by participating in scientology, but so very glad you had your wits about you at that time to decline the GO help and continue on planning your escape.

      Ahhh the GO, Paulette Cooper and the more recent FBI at least second time around evidence points to OSA the current scientology center of criminality of which illegal detainment is only one of frequent crimes. They even have a whole organization in Washington, DC which openly invites government representatives for briefings.

      just kidding but maybe I should forge an Office of Governmental affairs invitation to NSA and the Justice department into that office and put on a demonstration of how OSA manages communication hacking and avoidance and phoneless conspiracy to defraud the courts, the public and any others who are on their OSA programs. Of course leaving not one trace in the ‘red box’.

      • Ann B Watson

        Thank you for your great post and very good to meet you. It is a most jumbled juxtaposition when I had to plan how to get out of Sea Org Asho F for almost two years but I was watched or minded by the Assistant Intel GO on it’s own internal orders.all the time. The earlier GO and now OSA is a horrible bunch with no heart, soul or conscience with no emotion of empathy or caring. I like your plan to demonstrate the Truth Revealed regarding the OSA and evil doings always. I will enjoy your comments.💛

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Hugs and heart back at you and to our first sharing. Thanks Ann

          • Ann B Watson

            You are Sweet, I would really like sharing with you. Hearts I can’t get enough!!!😘

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              My letter box is residing on ESMB. All mail addressed to me. ha ha..but I don’t have a communications office. L=DC 😉

            • Ann B Watson

              I messed up HCO at Asho F when I was an expiditer before I was slotted to Letter Reg. Not quite sure where I would fit. Today I think I could handle my own comm Office pretty well but did I ever screw up just folding stuff & sorting stuff and let us forget the Telex & PBX!! I was the worst ever.That is ex SO Message Board, right. I have not visited there but for you I will.❤️

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs
    • Baby

      Wow.. So glad you survived and escaped.. That is some scary shit Annie.. love baby

      • Ann B Watson

        Baby you make my heart shine. Thank you Angel. Really what those Thetans get up to in the dark of night. Spooky, Misty and watch out for the marsh bogs where one can sink pretty quickly. Such an Ethical Bunch. I am overjoyed you are feeling better So many Hugs you will be smothered from me!!!💛

        • Baby

          You should write a book Annie.. You write beautifully.. How are you feeling honey.. I know you had an MRI not long ago.. xoxoxo

          Oh smothered in hugs.. Sounds delightful. I would run through a field of Wild Flowers ( TC and Nicole) and sweep you up and tickle you to the ground while we collapse in a heap of giggles.. xo love Baby

          • Ann B Watson

            Now that is my kind of therapy! I can tickle with the best of them and Hugs Baby I Love Hugs. Nicole and tc in the wildflowers, we can do them a hell of a lot better and invite Tom Petty to sing for us whilst we weave flower crowns..Today I feel like absolute S###! Excuse my French. Walter W went to Edinburgh Scotland trip was eight days for his only nieces wedding she went to U of Edinburgh and married a sweet Scottish lad. But he brought back the dreaded change to four different planes in less than 24 hours travel virus and of course I got it. He had a blast as his paternal family is from Edinburgh and I wade through Puffs and pulled muscles from coughing. But the MRI minus that magnetic racket was clean. How are you Sweetie you sound alot better and for that I send more Hugs. I was in a book called Madmam or Messiah one of the early ones, but my chapter was used without my real name, I gave no permission did not even see the book till it came out & what I had originally written had been greatly embellished. Bummer that led me away from publishing houses and promises because I was told public domain Tough. So now I can collect all the escape Scientology books and I do and have them around me. I do love to write but save the beautiful for The Bunker, Rinder’s, elsewhere and of course Baby so true and shining. Love you Angel.💖

            • Baby

              OOOOOOOOh Lucky Walter W going to Scotland .. Uh .. Very Unlucky Annie who got the ” Gift ” he brought home.. I wonder how many people on those 4 planes are Lookin for him.. ha.

              Glad to hear the MRI was clean! Yes..I read that book.. sigh.. sorry it was embellished Annie. Hmmm

              I just woke up.. Not because I was ill.. I was lazy.. Jeeze.. It’s too easy for me to snuggle and sleep deeply with my doggies. Now I feel drugged. ( But not in a good way..ha)

              True and shining.. I love that. Wow you put the bar so high.. I AM honest..but working on shining.. xox Love you Angel.💖

            • Ann B Watson

              I tend to set that bar so high for me I have to get out of bed whilst Jade Cat hogs the covers, to see if I can reach it! Doggie snuggles are so so Good. Well at least part of my story got out there early on but I wish I had been consulted on my own words,but Baby so many great books have come out and will come out I am content to have pushed back a little in the late 70s. I looked at a map and you know in a few years we are Pensacola Fla bound so I can come and meet you. That would be Glorious and Rev. Dee I adore that lady and Mike & Christie too! All in Fla. Hugs my Baby 💞

            • Baby

              Well come on down Annie.. we will be here with arms open..

              You are right about being consulted about your own words.. sigh.. and I would have been so disappointed. I”m sure your story was bad enough without embellishing it for Pete’s sake. 💞

  • There really isn’t two sides to this.

    And when the brother said, “And then he’d make these phone calls. He’d say he was being chased or held against his will.” it was likely true all along. I don’t know why he doesn’t realize it yet.

  • Observer

    I will never be able to use this in a 70s shoop, but I couldn’t deprive you of the…whatever it is

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd9cce0e29fd3acec557bb31253757e4271d70b7980d5d008301a97d32f17a78.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      there is nothing Unisex about those pants. They belong on men, big hunky men, and that is that.

    • Supper Powers

      A proud moment for that guy for sure.

    • madame duran

      Is this ad from Toronto?

      • Observer

        No idea

    • flyonthewall

      I think Jimmy is going to Howdycon. You haven’t shooped him yet. Just sayin

      • Jimmy3

        I don’t think I am. But I’m already a living shoop, so don’t bother the nice lady.

        • flyonthewall

          you’re not going? Why?

          • Supper Powers

            I told him I will not be making him his sammiches while in Denver and he had a total fit.

          • Jimmy3

            Because I wasnt kidding. In real life I actually look like a living shoop. People make fun of the janky pixels around my neck and face.

            • Sherbet

              What if Vaquera gets locked out of a room? She’ll be out there forever.

        • Observer

          🙁

        • Robert Eckert

          I’m planning on fetching Frodis from Cleveland, I’m sure another body would fit in the Toyota of Doom and that somebody would let you crash in a corner somewhere in Denver.

          • Jimmy3

            Holy hell are you kidding? That’s quite a road trip.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s a two-day hard drive. If you’re up for it, let me know in a month. You don’t have to decide anything soon since I’m going whether you chicken out or not.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m considering it, if only for the experience. But don’t give me the bawk bawwkk bawk, good sir!

            • Robert Eckert
    • Sherbet

      This photo of lace pants reminds me of a very old joke. Two men were undressing in the locker room after golf. One said, “Joe, what’s this?! How long have you been wearing women’s panties??” And Joe answered, “Since my wife found a pair of them in my glove box.”

    • wewantyourmoney

      “flaring boldly below the knee.” Oh, my!

  • madame duran

    Ed is considered sane just because he can string a full sentence together? He’s full on cray but doesn’t know it. Any chance of a 2-for-1 deal in sending both he and his sister to the mental hospital?

  • GrangerFX

    As bad as this story is, it is not the worst thing being done by Scientologists. For example, the people in Venezuela are starving: https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuela-is-starving-1493995317
    Yet somehow Scientology managed to extract $11.5 million from Venezuelan whales:
    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Impact2017d-e1487878754281.jpg
    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Impact2017f.jpg
    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Impact2017h-e1487878817756.jpg
    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Impact2017i.jpg
    That could have fed a lot of starving Venezuelans.

    • madame duran

      Sickening.

      • joan nieman

        Despicable. Maybe they don’t have human brains.

    • flyonthewall

      Yep. People, babies in their own country are literally withering up and starving to death and they’re just pissing away millions and millions of dollars

      • GrangerFX

        Millions for superpowers and snake oil and none for the starving babies. This is a crime against humanity.

  • That day when you realized that you shouldn’t have installed that Script in your Twitter Account
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/20d05bc42348f1dca06715a75aaf23b35bf7c120cb42eb46d5c695df32fccdb4.jpg

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “They’re trying to eliminate the multiple thetans that were making her life hard to live,” Ed says.

    The thing that made her life even harder – a POS clam brother who sent her to a snake pit instead of to a hospital. SMH

  • SLIM

    Ed”s delusional Thinking is breath taking….Yikes…
    edit

    • Sherbet

      • SLIM

        I did… thank you… Sherbet…
        I edited it…

        • Sherbet

          OK, then I’ll edit. 🙂

          • SLIM

            Wait there’s more!!!!
            What do we have for her Jimmy?

  • There is a special place in Hell for Marc and Ed.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      LRH is there with a padlock, waiting for them. They get one sheet each, and no cell phone service.

    • joan nieman

      Yes there is Derek.

  • Is 10 grand a month a confirmed number? Because WTF?!
    This is way beyond my understanding and income level.
    Makes no sense, even if I was rich.

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    “The brother of the woman who was also rescued, a Scientologist, denounced the sheriff’s department of Cannon County, and he defended Marc Vallieres, the Scientologist who was charged with two felonies for keeping the patients in cabins that were locked from the outside.”

    Why would someone want their sister to be kidnapped, held against her will, and possibly murdered by the notorious Scientology crime syndicate which has a history of killing people and committing massive human rights and civil rights crimes and abuses?

    What possible reason could a “loving” brother have to want his sister to be subjected to this?

    “…a 911 call was placed by a young man at the facility, and when they arrived on the scene, they found the young man locked in a cabin looking out at them through a plexiglass window…”

    Also why did the crime syndicate let this guy have a phone? Usually they take phones away from their victims specifically so that they can not call for help. That is one of the complaints filed against Scientology, they seize people’s phones, passports, and any money they might have on them.

    What worries me is this:

    “He was able to use the phone always,” Jim says.

    The only reason they were rescued is because one of them had a phone. Now David Miscavige is going to make sure that his victims do not have telephones, he’s likely already slapped people and screamed and ordered them to make fucking sure that none of his victims have a phone because now he’s out $10,000 a month for just that one victim.

    • Sherbet

      Because of the thetans, Hippy. She needed to be released from those thetans. Shaking my head.

  • JustSheila

    It sounds to me like Ed lost any hope of proving himself a stable, sane guardian for his sister when he claimed her problems were caused by being harassed by invisible spirits. Duh!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    This is horrible. This “saint” is nothing but a barbarous jailer, corralling desperately ill people in primitive and filthy conditions, milking frantic families of thousands upon thousands of dollars. But Ed? Oh, Ed would march his own sister back to that hellhole with pleasure. Because he is a proud Scientologist.

    • iampissed

      I love your posts also.

    • Juicer77

      Shudder

    • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

      Prison Guard for the Prison of Belief

      Scientologists themselves are all Voluntary Prison Guards for their Prison of Belief.

      They are not Voluntary Ministers.

      They are Voluntary Prison Guards in their Prison of Belief!

      Quack-ology Prison Guards

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    “…but he decided to leave the state…”

    So is he now a wanted felon who has crossed State lines to avoid prosecution? Was he allowed to flee the State? Is he out on bail?

    …but he declined to tell us where Vallieres was going…

    That’s okay, he can tell the DA’s office when he’s issued with a subpoena.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      He’s on probation. I assume he’s looking for a new location to re-open.

      • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

        Cropping up under another fake name, not informing anyone that he’s running another deadly Scientology fraud, yep!

    • Susan black

      Marc’s in seclusion in Ed’s basemant in Beverly Hills, planning his next move to help mentally ill young people.

    • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

      LOL! every one of them there against their will. Amusing how the crime syndicate tries desperately to try to pretend they actually help society some how.

      • DM assigned them all a Condition of Treason after the CW incident.

        • Liberated

          Do you think they’re allowed to eat ?

          • They can eat what they find

            • Liberated

              Funny….but sad.

            • Honestly? … To me it looks like an amends project for the PR flop in Clearwater!

            • Liberated

              I agree, there are too many people to be “volunteers”….they all look like they’re being punished.
              If they don’t return those silly yellow shirts, they’ll be added to their “freeloaders” debt.

            • lol

            • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

              🙂 Most likely if they find money — and I have picked up trash and litter, money can be found often — they probably have to surrender it to David.

            • They probably brought their own garbage with them.

    • Ann B Watson

      The Elite Sea Org Trash Gang. Just cleaning up blighted neighborhoods for dm who loves, trees, flowers and gardens so so much. Lol. Thank you Dice.😎

    • WhiteCentauress

      The little one on the left looks about seven.

      • Sherbet

        I think they bring plenty of T-shirts to hand out to people in the neighborhood so it looks like there are more VMs than there are. It looked like that in other photo ops where the shirt-wearers were definitely not scientologists but from the community being “helped.” They would have yellow shirts but bare feet or flip-flops.

    • GrangerFX

      They all look so happy to be there. I bet they all volunteered.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Ed is delusional. Perhaps he needs some mental health assistance.

    • Susan black

      Ed needs a baby watch. In a locked room with just a bed and a sheet.

      • Eclipse-girl

        With no one speaking to him and only the cal -mag crap to ingest.

    • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

      I wonder what the fucktard would think he *he* was locked up like this, I wonder if the asshole would change his asshole tune if it were him.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Humans are a funny wierd species. Some of us are over flowing with empathy, some of us are jerks.

        I imagine that this “Older Brother’ would be sure of what was appropriate for their sibling until they endured it.
        Sometimes you have to walk a mile ( or ten) in another’s shoes to realize that you do not get it.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I wonder how long Ed Gein Jr here has been a $cientologist. This is like something out of a horror movie. I sure hope that she remains a ward of the state and he (or any other clam relatives) never has a say as to what medical treatment she gets. Jeezus 🙁

  • downtherabbithole

    Oh dear lord all the recent news Tony is reporting has become overwhelming. The brain hurts right now.

    Tony, do you ever sleep?

    • downtherabbithole

      Oh I can’t even finish reading this tonight. It simply is too much and my anger is off the chart.

      • Eclipse-girl

        When the article is too damn difficult, protect yourself.
        No one will blame you.

  • WhiteCentauress

    ….duh

    • WhiteCentauress

      Dang….that should read “Needs”

      Going to take that advice and go watch something fun. I’m on Scientology overload.

      • ha ha.. back to the drawing board… Want me to Flip it?

        • WhiteCentauress

          Apparently I did delete it. Yea. Thanks, though for the offer of help. Just watched two episodes of Big Bang Theory. Sometimes the $cientology stuff gets too intense for me.

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    Another major worry: What about fire codes? Scientology was holding people against their will in locked cabins with no escape. That is a MAJOR fire code violation, enough to get the Feds kicking in doors and ordering the bastards to the ground, one would hope!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Oh my god, horrors…

      • John Prince

        I say BOTH Family’s reactions need to be magnified on Major News Channels. .the First “normal” reaction AND the second, unbelievably Fucked-up scio-reaction ..Show the World Scio’s idea of “mental health care” , following “dr hubbard’s” proven Tech !@##

    • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

      I wonder if “Ed” would like to be locked up and be held against his will like this in this shitting dangerous cabin like this, I wonder if he would change his delusional asshole Scientology tune if *he* were the victim of this horrific human rights abuse.

      The victims have difficulty speaking for themselves, it sounds like, yet here’s a bastard yarking off about how good it is for them. Well I wonder if the bastard would feel the same if it were him being treated like this.

  • downtherabbithole

    May Marc Vallieres rot in hell for all eternity.

    Deep breathing…….

    • Eclipse-girl

      I want the scino sibling, Ed, to understand that his sister could have died from this treatment.
      I want him to learn and feel remorse.

  • flyonthewall

    Call me corny or whatever but this post just kinda inspired me. This is how humanity works. You spread out but keep strong the ties that bind.

    That is all

    • Jimmy3

      I’ll sue you in England County, Pennsylvania

      • flyonthewall

        you got ganked bitch

        • flyonthewall

          do somethin’. What?

          • Jimmy3

            Googling if there’s an England county in PA. There should be. But there may not be Google in PA.

  • flyonthewall

    least that cabin in the woods wasn’t the one from Evil Dead. That would of been bad. Is there a Crystal Lake near the New Life place?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Whoa! I just re-read it again. So much crazyness that I forgot it says that crazy clam Ed on staff at a drug rehab. WTF? The patients need to be protected from this lunatic.

  • Back in the early 2000’s, when my wife and I were good Scientologists, she used to have some major panic attacks. But we didn’t know a panic attack is a thing. So we would try to fix it with Objectives and Assists.

    Emergency room visits happened anyway.

    Not anymore.

    • Robert Eckert

      Once she was out of Scientology there was suddenly so much less to be panicked about.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am glad both your heads are clear from the chult.
      Panic attacks are real and can be dangerous for those who suffer from them.

    • Juicer77

      Hugs from one who knows. So glad you don’t suffer under Hubbard’s lunacy anymore.

      • Hugs back.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Add me to the list too! I remember telling myself “it must be asthma” thought it would occur at my desk at work and nevermind I ran 2-3 miles/day with no issue. Dodo – you’re such a good husband and father because you still took her in and I can tell as you tell your stories how much your family meant to you and how you never fully bought in to being less than totally there for your wife and kids!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      They were reality attacks.

  • gtsix

    A mother pays 10K a month for her 24 yr old son to be locked in a cabin? And she’s not a clam?

    The 48 yr old… sounds like she’s currently a ward of the state.

    Yep…. this is just too fucked up for me.

    • Susan black

      Sometimes caring for a family member who is severely mentally ill can be frustrating, thankless, and just plain exhausting work. So I can understand looking for help. But any group associated with Dave’s con should never be allowed around anyone already struggling with delusions…it’s just cruel.

      • gtsix

        Indeed, caring for severe mental illness is not easy in any capacity.

  • Supper Powers

    I recently saw a person from Oz upvoting. I was worried they all were going to be put on the Red List.

    • Supper Powers

      They are just squirrels and the church condemns them for using the good name of L Ron Hubbard and the church. Except when they wrote said church checks to use Scientology methods to abuse people.

    • Shivani33

      Vallieres has spoken at local schools in his Tennessee area and identified himself as a Scientologist, but that doesn’t count? One can Google his Sci. course completions but that’s only an illusion? His webprints haven’t been wiped yet.

      • Notice how they now call it “psychiatric facilities” lol and he is still a Scientologist and it is still a Scientology Op… Aww I think the Editor are still holding the armor!
        eta: referring to the tweet below.

    • GrangerFX

      Um how can the cult be in no way affiliated with the facilities when they were practicing what LRH preached and doubtless giving a portion of the moneys earned to the cherch to raise their stats? This is exactly what is wrong with a scam claiming to be a religion pretending to teach science.

    • mark

      It’s all about stats. Since it was busted, it is now disavowed by the church, labeled as a psych facility and goes as a good stat for one more evil psych shut down.

      • Yeah… But they just outed one of their own as a Psych 🙂 Or the Editor did it on purpose he he.. I will keep an eye on this. Else i can say that a Scientologist was running a Psyche Op! Using LRH’ “tech”

  • sizzle8

    If they’re using Scientology processes or anything related, they HAVE to be licensed by WISE, IHELP, ABLE or other CofS body.
    There are mandatory signed contracts.

    • Supper Powers

      Certainly those signed contracts have disappeared by now.

      • Supper Powers

        Where’s a forensic accountant when you need one?

  • Mick Roberts

    So…..Mr. “Ed” has obviously learned about body thetans and told Tony about them. Isn’t that a high crime to discuss that with “someone who isn’t ready yet”? If Tony comes down with pneumonia a few days from now, he should file a lawsuit against Ed for making him ill.

    And by now, the “church” obviously knows the identity of Ed the Scientologist. Is he going to be in trouble for speaking with a known SP/Merchant of Chaos/”Hate Blogger”/whatever other ridiculous, childish names they call people who might not agree with some of their practices (and who actually has the balls to call them out)?

    Hate I missed this update earlier. My wife wanted me to take her and the kids out tonight for something called “family time” or whatever. Made me miss out on the new post damnit. The NERVE of her to remove me from access to the Bunker for a few hours!!!! So selfish…..

    • John Prince

      Very good Point about “mr. ed ” , the talking Horse’s ass. .
      but don’t forget to put a twinkle in the little Lady’s Eye tonight ✌👊

  • Observer

    Marc Vallieres looks like an old-timey melodrama villain.

    • Jimmy3

      You have to go out of your way to achieve that look tho. It’s not accidental.

    • WhiteCentauress

      He looks like an older version of Davy. They both have those dead, psycho eyes of the cult.

    • John Prince

      I had another description in mind but I’ll try to be Nice since You’re always (most of the time)so Nice..

      《pedophile》 §orry, that just slipped out 😈

      • ExCult.Jan

        If only you could tell by a person’s appearance.

  • flyonthewall
    • Eclipse-girl

      Not sure this is cool.

      It was the police who freed the two captives.

      PS. I still remember the tongue lashing I received a few years for liking a cartoon (comic) that advocated violence.
      You have been here lone enough to know.

      • flyonthewall

        I won’t cry or complain if it’s taken down. That’s ok. I can take the heat

        • Eclipse-girl

          It just felt wierd to me.
          I am angry with the Mr Ed, the sibling and Marc V. , not the cops in this case.

          • flyonthewall

            this is nothing to do with this post at all. Just came across a pic of a May Day protest and I made a meme by combining it with another pic and I couldn’t resist sharing my work even if it is not received well

            • Eclipse-girl

              S’right

            • GrangerFX

              Is it wrong to salivate at that picture of the roasted pig?

            • John Prince

              Where’s the Sin in having impure thoughts about Roasted Ham?

            • chukicita

              lechoooooonnnnnnnn

            • ExCult.Jan

              Yes. Yes it is.

            • John Prince

              See what ya get for tryin’ ta be an artist?

            • flyonthewall

              i shall take all the slings and arrows

      • chukicita

        Lest we forget what happened to Keith Henson for the joke about a Tom Cruise Missile.

    • Mick Roberts

      Are you making your own statement with this? Or trying to say that this is what the CofS reaction to this news is going to be?

    • ExCult.Jan
    • GrangerFX

      They are going to a better place. No, really. That’s a better place than those wood cabins with plexiglass windows.

    • ReallyMGM

      Fab shoop skillz Mark!

  • GrangerFX

    A scientologist who has no training in or understanding of real science and a complete disdain for psychiatry opens a facility to care for the mentally ill. He ends up locking them up in cabins after everything LRH said to do failed miserably because it was all made up to begin with. Let us take a moment to be thankful that LRH did not decide he knew everything about aerospace engineering rather than mental illness.

    • chukicita

      Oh, but LRH *invented* aerospace engineering. That’s why he’s on Target Two right now.

  • Ed is a Scientologist who works at a drug rehab center which used to be part of Scientology’s Narconon network. The clinic cut ties with Narconon and Ed assures us that the clinic no longer uses Scientology methods.

    Uh huh. Still waiting for Form 990s that show that’s the case. For California, the available Form 990s are current to the end of 2015 and show large money transfers consistent with still being part of Narconon.

    Even Halcyon Horizons, operating as Elevate Addiction Services, still shows $678,763 in license fees.

  • itsIBBy

    *sigh* my heart breaks when tony talks about the mental health stuff. I’ve shared my struggles before, but meds are literally saving my life. They’re not a bad thing.

    Thetans… smh

    • daisy

      Mine too

      • Liberated

        Hello, dah-ling.

        • daisy

          Hi sweet pea wasn*t in the mood to talk yesterday , sorry I get like that sometimes.

          • Liberated

            Me too 🙂

    • ExCult.Jan

      Mine too. And thanks, BBy for opening the door for me to say so. *wipes rears*

    • OOkpik

      I’m so grateful that all you ladies have found the help you need to improve your prospects in life. There are several others here too who have told us of the life-changing benefits they have gotten from professional care and medications. Thanks for speaking up.
      (((Hugs)))

      It is beyond sad that so many people suffer horribly because their conditions go untreated, for whatever reasons. Today’s story…8(

      • Baby

        It is a club I belong too that’s for sure.. xo

        • OOkpik

          xoxo

    • Baby

      OH HELL TO THE YEAH.. I skip one day and there is hell to pay.. I set my alarm every night..

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    “The sheriff has nothing to say. They torture people daily” This is such a sad statement.
    Seems to me that something needs to be done to find out if this is slander or just outrageous blather by a mind trained in or malignantly influenced by hubbard’s dead agent desires.
    I feel for Ed. I suggest he steps back, looks around at where he is and at what influences he and his sister are under and see if any of those influences are forwarding generalities.
    I hope Ed and his sister are getting all possible help in these matters.

  • mockingbird

    Wow, this gets more bizarre and upsetting.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Great, a real Hobbesian choice: either pay up handsomely and leave your mentally challenged loved one at the mercy of untrained, mercenary $cientologists in the middle of nowhere, trusting them to provide the urgent, expert care that’s needed while providing a little fresh air and not taking advantage of them; OR give your loved one up to an overcrowded, underfunded government-subsidized facility where neglect, apathy and malaise hang heavily in the air along with the stench of urine. There has to be a third way.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Not during the current administration, unfortunately.

  • Jack99

    Has this Young Turks video been posted? Tony is namedropped twice.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wobt3HmnNps

    • Frodis73

      I am surprised they have not had him on any of the shows yet…they name drop Tony in a lot of their videos actually. Well, anything dealing with scientology anyway.

    • redfisch

      “Scientology…. psychiatric. ….blah, blah…..Tony Ortega…..Tennessee….blah, blah, Scientology…Tony Ortega……nutso cult….Tony Ortega.” Clearly, if it’s Scientology, then it must reference TO. 🙂
      Nice to see Ben Mankiewicz (with Ana Kasparian and Grace Baldridge). When did Mankiewicz join The Young Turks? I clearly haven’t been paying attention.

  • 10000 / month to be locked up with no competent medical treatment?

    Yup, that’s the “beliefs” inspired by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. As far as I’m concerned, the individual victims of the mind-fuck perpetrated by the Co$ can believe (or indeed KNOW!) whatever the heck they like, but regardless of what they thought they were doing, they need to stop doing this lethally dangerous quackery to anyone else (or to each other, really).

    • Juicer77

      ^^^

    • John Prince

      Who’s been pocketing 10,000 a month for Midevil treatment of the Mentally Ill since the tennessee “life” center is “in no way connected to scientology “?

  • George Layton

    178 billion average of 76 planets divided by 7.8 billion people is only 1803.73333 BT’s each. I think it is unfair that scientologists have more than their share of BT’s.

  • AntoniaW

    Looking at the comments under the Daily Mail piece here, it seems most people aren’t buying the “not affiliated to Scientology” line: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4479212/Rehab-clinic-run-Tennessee-Scientologist-shut-down.html#comments

    • I think Scientology’s lawyers have been busy. There are similar disclaimers on other stories, added retroactively.

  • Fink Jonas

    So creepy, Scientology taking hold of people in need of mental help is creepy, this is about to turn into Silence of the Lambs.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    One problem with having been a Scientologist is the lasting effect on your language. For example you think it’s totally fine to add -ness to pretty much any word. Today, I said “You’d have to go to the DMV and prove your youness.”

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Locked rooms, no furniture, forced to sleep on the floor; what century is this? If the program is so good, why was Vallieres packing the place up when the sheriff came back? And where was the brother’s $10,000 a month going?

    • I could’ve given him the same accommodations, WITH a bed, chair, and sheets, for only $5,000 a month, cable extra.

  • 0tessa

    Ah, the reveries of 1945 …
    Today seventy original American army vehicles of literally all sorts came to visit my little home town, in remembrance of Liberation Day.
    Guest of honor was a ninety-plus year old veteran … many, many hands he had to shake, with tears in his eyes.
    Thank you Sir. God bless you Sir and your fellow Americans, who liberated my parents.
    We will never forget.

  • LittleRedSongbird

    I’m going to say this carefully- while I’m glad that hellhole in Tennessee is shut down, I do understand Ed’s fears about the mental hospital. Those places also have high rates of abuse, especially when they are typically underfunded. That makes people easy prey for shady Scientology front groups (and a few other cults) to open up these kinds of centers. Folks are desperate for a decent place that will give good care to their loved ones.

    • FredEX2

      This is true as well.

    • ExCult.Jan

      I’m sure Ed never even considered non-Hubbard tech psych facilities as an option, as he is obviously a hard core cultist.

  • Good work Tony. No, make that great work.

    The COS has a huge problem. Source (LRH) wrote the Introspection Rundown. It is Scientology scripture and can’t be changed. After what happened to Lisa McPherson the church appears to have sub-contracted out Introspection Rundown (Baby Watch) cases to the ‘Private’ sector.

    Now the Private sector appears less than safe. There are two cases where Introspection Rundown providers have been busted by police, and the operators shut down, at least temporarily. Complicating the matter is the number of ‘Under the Radar’ Scientologists, some of whom would be willing to leak information on the whereabouts of Introspection Rundown providers to police and/or the media.

    This leaves the COS between a rock and a hard place. Either they abandon scripture or they keep getting busted.

    Add in the Scientology war with the ‘Psychs’ which is also Scripture, and it is even harder to kill the Introspection Rundown. How can you carry out a war with Psychiatry if you don’t have an alternative that totally 100% works. Source-LRH says the Introspection Rundown works infallibly 100% of the time if done correctly, therefore they have the solution.

    But Lisa McPherson died, two of these providers (at least, it is possible this has happened elsewhere but wasn’t reported) have been busted, and Scientology will have to invent a replacement model, or give up. I suspect a replacement model will be what they attempt to come up with. They really don’t have any choice.

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    I was a fellow Technical Training Corps member with Marc Valliers when he was in the Sea Org and on Flag Service Org staff, in 1976-1977. The TTC FSO (Tech Training Corps Flag Service Org) in the fall of 1976 was about 20-30 persons, and it was dwindling down in size from it’s height of almost 100 TTCers in Dec 75-Jan76.

    We were all on the FSO (Flag Service Org) TTC, which meant if we continued logically, we’d all become Class 12s someday. Marc married a German young woman Ingrid. Us other TTCers did their wedding setup and party, and Marc to me was a steady and upbeat person.

    I can understand how he might envision himself a stable calm auditor who would take on this Introspection Rundown most difficult steps, the initial steps of trying to keep it all quiet and safe for the psychotically broken persons to settle down.

    But this is wishfull irresponsible quackery, and of course no one should ever do the Scientology stuff, any of Hubbard’s stuff is just quackery to me today.

    But Marc was and probably is a reassuring upbeat pressence type of person, who instead if he feels helping deal with psychotic patients is his calling in life, Marc likely ought to have done nurse training for that vocation, since he may be the kind of goodhearted person who may have succeeded had he worked as a compassionate nurse, in my opinion.

    Scientology’s quackery, I’ve concluded, is held together by people who oftentimes are good natured people.

    If those good natured Scientologists had chosen the fields today that do do competent mental illness treatments, these good natured Scientologists like Marc would be way more helpful to the world, obviously.

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    Dennis Flamand

    I remember Dennis when he was in the Sea Org, for a short time, if I recall correctly, Dennis (pronounced Denny, since he’s French Canadian, and like Marc Valliers, both are from Quebec Org, going back and back in history), and Dennis was I think in the Data Bu Branch, doing input. He routed out I believe around 1984-1985.

    He’s a soft spoken quiet person.

    The two, Dennis and Marc, are from Quebec years earlier.

    • Princess Poopypants

      Dennis was on the RPF in late 80’s, early 90’s. He ended up marrying my RPF twin after we all got off the RPF in 91. Dennis was posted at the Manor Hotel and was there still when I was sent to Flag in 99. Not sure when he left the Sea Org, but it was after 99.

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        He was pretty mild mannered and French Canadian, correct?

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        Sunny,

        I have some questions, can you ID these two staffers, one’s a guy I recall from the RPF around the time I was there, you were there the whole time I was on the PAC RPF, and this guy was from FLB, and I think he completed the PAC RPF and must have went back to FLB as he’s getting off the bus in this snip from a video that Darth Xander has done in the past.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca6e9808c191eab3f02d52771ef57cab65a52e732660a85660b3c7ed64959708.png

        And then the following guy is from the front of the Hollywood Test Center, do you recognize him?

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c14f5c92eb3c2b04ccfa25b4441f4d1124d6eff652077e4c641c58758015f09.png

        • Princess Poopypants

          The first one looks like Fred Sinclair. I don’t recognize the second one.

          • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

            Excellent. Yea, Fred Sinclair, that’s him!

            When I come across other photos, I will send them to you.

            Can you email me your email address, I’m

            chuckbeatty77@aol.com

          • Baby

            I can’t bear the thought that you and chuck..and anyone was on the RPF Sunny. It makes me so sad .. love you honey.

  • siphon

    I hope Nathan’s family can get their $10,000 a month back, plus damages! Paying that much for their son to be locked in solitary confinement in a barren little cabin is a really disgusting scam!

  • No

    Wow. Having seen my mother FIRST HAND without any meds, i just don’t know what to say. This Ed guy is a real piece of work. I am trying to be as decent and respectful as i can be, because I respect Tony and the other posters so very much. But yeah Ed, fu@k you buddy. Get your head out of your ass. Your sister is in the best place she can possibly be right now. Wow.

  • ze moo

    So ”Ed’ wants to exorcise the deamons his sister has?? How freaking stupid can any one clam be?

  • Faux Gibbler

    The procedure was invented by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in the 1970s after he said he had discovered that the way to treat the severely mentally ill was to isolate them in silence until their conditions improved

    And give them an insane amount of vitamins conveniently sold by Scientology

  • RED_Peril87

    Jim was skeptical, however, and he says the family was paying Vallieres
    $10,000 a month. “It’s a travesty,” he says. “They put them in small
    cabins and padlocked the doors. We didn’t know that. He had been there
    before and he never said anything about that.”

    I wonder why!? If you were paranoid and not wanting to take meds you may suspect were “poisoning” you (as many with a history of psychosis tend to believe when their condition starts to deteriorate) – you probably wouldn’t want to mention the unbelievably punitive treatment either. Oh, except Jim then contradicts himself shortly after by admitting that his brother had in fact made repeated phone calls about being held against his will the last time he was at the facility! Which leads me to an aside: I thought the Introspection Rundown protocol shouldn’t allow the victim patient to even have access to a mobile phone in the first place, but I’m certainly glad ‘Nathan’ did…

    And yes, it is “hard” for someone who has been floridly psychotic to recover if they’ve been untreated for a long time. The longer without the appropriate medication and therapy, sadly, the less responsive the individual is likely to be. Some treated this way no doubt will end up entirely without prospect of any degree of rehabilitation.

    My mother has been a Psych.RN specializing in Community Mental Health for over 20 years, and admittedly, the fate of a handful of her most treatment-resistant Clients has been particularly grim. They are the exception, however. This really makes me wish that Scientologists would deign to pull their heads out of 1950-something, take a good look around, and realize the enormous bounds that have been made into understanding the neurological basis and treatment of psychiatric illnesses and the human rights afforded those who suffer from them in 1st World countries – before other incredibly vulnerable people are needlessly tormented and potentially killed under their neglect.