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How to get yourself removed from Scientology’s legendary mailing list: A case study

 
One of our sources forwarded an actual text conversation (it was sent to us in screen captures) that we thought you would find pretty interesting.

The conversation was between a former member of the Church of Scientology who had been texted, unsolicited, by someone at the church attempting to update her in Scientology’s legendary mailing list database. The church’s mailing list is one of those infamous things about the church that even people only barely acquainted with the church seem to know — once you get on it, the junk mail comes and comes and it’s almost impossible to stop it. And even if you move a few times, the church somehow always tracks you down. (See our story at the Voice about a guy who had moved more than ten times, across the country, and had not been involved in Scientology for forty years and still, the church kept hounding him.)

People often ask us how to get themselves removed from Scientology’s mailing list, and we’re never sure what to tell them. So we thought the following conversation might be edifying for anyone who’s tired of receiving Scientology mail. It’s also simply an entertaining read, thanks to Shannon (who asked us not to include her last name), and we thank her for turning this over for our readers to see. We’ve typed up the conversation to make it easier to read, but we can verify that it was all captured in actual screenshots. Enjoy.

 
Dan: Hi Shannon. My name is Dan Seabaugh. I am texting to update your mailing record with the Church. The address we have is [redacted]. The email is [redacted] and the record shows you have done some beginning services in Dianetics and Scientology. Is this all correct?

Shannon: YOU ARE IN A DESTRUCTIVE CULT. GET OUT NOW! There are groups that will help you undo their brainwashing. Their statistics are lies. What they’ve told you are all lies. Please get out and find help. REMOVE MY NAME FROM THE DATABASE. I WILL NOT BE HARASSED BY A CULT. DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN.

Dan: Have you ever gotten mail from us or is this just a wrong number?

Shannon: Remove my name from your database immediately and do not contact me. Scientology is a cult and destroying people. Get out. Find your family. Build a real life. You’re being lied to. Everything you’ve been told is a lie. Hardly any Scientologists exist. It is helping NO ONE. Psychiatrists are not evil. David Miscavige is evil. Scientology is nothing but a scam to make money. All those new orgs are empty. The stats you’re told at events are lies. They only buy these properties to keep their tax exempt status. Please read about your own religion and learn the truth. Get out and get help! It’s not too late.

Dan: Thanks for your advice. If you want off this list I need to know if you ARE the person in the records or just another person we never contacted that is simply a wrong number. So, did you even have any contact with Scientology or get mail from us? I want to take you off. So, your cooperation on this would be great. Thanks.

Shannon: I was raised in that cult so I know exactly what I’m talking about. You’re being used. You’ve been lied to. I know you’re under strict instructions not to read anything negative about Scientology but ask yourself why, if they’re so great, what would they need to hide? They’re hiding the truth from you. They’ve destroyed countless families, bankrupted thousands of people who lost everything so some reg could make their stats for the week. Thousands have flooded out of Scientology after learning the truth. People who were at the highest level of Int for decades have left because of the abuse and because they found out it’s all lies. Learn about your own religion. Ask why you aren’t allowed to. Isn’t that itself a red flag for you? The “tech” was stolen and much of it originated in the world of psychiatry. None of it is real. Stop helping destroy people and start helping take down this cult.

Dan: OK, Thanks. So you are this person and I will take you off the list. The truth of Scientology is only in the writing and lectures of L. Ron Hubbard. Anything else is simply an alteration or opinion to lesser or greater degree. Of course you have your own reasons for choosing to believe otherwise and have made your own choices on this which you will have to sort out for yourself if you choose to do so. Good luck to you and thanks for your comm. I will be taking you off our lists for now.

Shannon: I was raised on the writings of L. Ron Hubbard. What he wrote has been mostly stolen from the world of psychiatry or other groups. The rest he made up. You are being brainwashed. I know it’s not easy to hear but it’s true. If you get into the real world you’ll understand. If you disconnected from family please find them. It’s not worth it. What Scientology is telling you is not true. They aren’t helping people or growing their numbers. It’s all lies. They have lost most of their numbers and are doing nothing but amassing wealth. Please do yourself a favor and learn about the religion you’ve signed a billion years to. The world outside of Scientology is great, not the hellscape they tell you it is. If you have a family you’ve disconnected from I guarantee you they miss you and have probably tried to contact you. Scientology breaks people apart. They break people’s minds in order to brainwash them. I’ve been in it. I know what you’re going through. Please open your eyes and at least LOOK at the data out there on what Scientology is really doing. You’ll never learn it from the inside. That’s why they’re so controlling of you. Help yourself! L. Ron Hubbard is nothing more than a fiction writer. He was not even a war hero as they tell you he was. He moved onto the Apollo for tax evasion purposes! He was horrible to his wife, and his teachings destroy children. Nothing they tell you about him is true! Find the truth or they will use you up until you have nothing left to give, then they will toss you aside. They don’t care about you. They only care about the free labor they get from you. Scientology is not helping the world. They are a well known cult. Please just take some time to learn so you can see for yourself!

 

 
Dan: Thanks for your comm. Go take a very long walk with no one influencing you at all until you feel much better. No matter how long it takes. Hours if needed until you are calm and in present time and feel very good about it. Then re-study the Scientology Axioms in a new unit of time and the first book of Science of Survival and re-assess the tone levels of those you are in comm with and their levels of truth in their comm. You should realize something I hope at this point. If not, take more walks until you are totally in present time and re-study the axioms and tone scale without any influences on your lines and re-assess your contacts. Good luck to you. You can stay in comm with me on this if you want. Talk to you later if you wish. Good Bye for now.

Shannon: Oh honey, I’m quite calm and quite in present time. I spent decades in that cult. I was raised on the teachings of LRH. I lived at the FH when LRH died. I’m not some new baby Scientologist you can control. You are in a cult not a religion. You are in a dangerous cult who has caused you so much damage you have no idea. You are in a cult who has amassed billions of dollars and caused MANY Scientologists to lose everything taking out loans to pay for services that are made up. I assume you haven’t reached OT3 where you learn about all the dead aliens sticking to you. Or OT8 when you find out that everything you’ve learned to that point is bullshit. I feel sorry for you because you think you’re doing good. It’s not your fault, it’s theirs for taking advantage of you. If you can’t even look into the allegations then at least ask yourself why. Ask yourself what they’re so desperate to hide that you’re not even allowed to know about it. You’ve been fed lies. If you have been disconnected from family because of Scientology I am happy to help you get in touch with them. I’m guessing you’re quite young, since they have you doing this. I was 16 when I was taken from my family and put to work too. You need to find out what else is out there. You need to free yourself from the lies you’ve been taught. I can help you if you want to leave. It’s adorable that you think long walks will make total bullshit appear more true. Please get yourself some real education. Did you even get to finish high school before pushed into joining the Sea Org? You should take a long walk, get in present time, then go to a library and use their computer to learn the truth about Scientology. There are many people out there who will help you. You will not be alone. It can be hard to deprogram cult members but life becomes so much easier and worthwhile, I promise.

Dan: Sorry Shannon, lost contact somehow. Did not get your last message. Did you ever do advanced courses? I think we may have another record for you that I also need to take off. Did you have another last name while in Scientology? Let me know so I can ensure you do not get mail from us or any more calls. Thanks. The address we have is [redacted].

Shannon: I will resend my last message. You will not get me to hand over more personal information to put in a cult database. I know you think you are doing good and helping but you are being lied to and are helping a destructive and evil cult. Educate yourself. There are groups available to help you. Get out and help the world in a real way by helping to destroy Scientology and expose it for the destructive cult it is. [Previous message re-sent.]

Dan: Were you in the Sea Org?

Shannon: I can send you all the information you want about the lies of Scientology. I will help you get in touch with those you’ve disconnected with because of this evil cult. How old are you? How long have you been in Scientology? How long have you been in the Sea Org? All that information would help me.

Dan: All I want actually at this point is to make sure we do not bother you any more by sending you mail or calling you. So, if you can tell me any names you had and what you did in Scientology. That would help.

Shannon: I would like to know how old you are and how long you have been in the Sea Org.

Dan: Have you ever been on staff or in the Sea Org?

Shannon: How old are you? How long have you been in the Sea Org?

Dan: What have you done in Scientology?

Shannon: How old are you? How long have been in the Sea Org? Why won’t you answer those questions?

Dan: Why won’t you answer those questions?

Shannon: If your parents are in too and you feel you have nowhere to go there are groups to help you. You have plenty of information about me. I would like to know a little about you. How old are you? How long have you been in Scientology? How long have you been in the Sea Org?

Dan: What were your parents’ names?

Shannon: Are you in your 60s perhaps? Around 65? What are your parents’ names?

Dan: Did you ever do a TRs course or any course on

Shannon: How long have you been in the Sea Org? Dan, worked at HGB. Right? What’s the matter, Dan?

Dan: Kind of busy here. Where were you on staff?

Shannon: Is that you? Worked at HGB as DTS back in the 90s?

Dan: When did you leave the Sea Org? Was it after BPI?

Shannon: Is that you who worked at the HGB in the 90s? What made you join a cult? Why have you dedicated your life to slave labor? Why are you afraid to look into the allegations against Scientology? How old were you when you joined Scientology? How old were you when you joined the Sea Org? Did your parents join? How many people have you disconnected from because of Scientology policies? Do you have any contact with the real world a/k/a: outside of Scientology? You’re the one who texted this number and started demanding information. I feel I should be allowed to demand some information too. How did you get this phone number? Who gave it to your cult? When did that happen?

Dan: Good luck to you Shannon in the future. When you decide to really LOOK at the world give me another text. Until then I suggest you read the ethics book. Good Bye.

Shannon: Your ethics book is written by a scam artist. It is fiction. You have been fooled by a cult. No need to be embarrassed, it happens. But there is help for you to get out and learn about the lies you’ve been told. There’s plenty of information out there and it’s easily accessible. I hope you use some logic and choose for yourself based on reality not the lies of a science fiction writer with delusions of grandeur. Maybe you and your cult should rethink contacting random phone numbers in the future. Good luck to you, Dan! I hope you get out while you still have time left. There’s plenty of help available to you. By the way, you need to be in the world to really look at it. Kind of silly advice coming from someone locked away in a cult, isn’t it? So long, Dan. I’ve valued our friendship and hope you’ve learned something from it. Mostly that there is help when you’re ready to escape.

 
Programming note: Look for another release of information about the Scientology FBI investigation this afternoon.

Also, on Monday, a special treat: The drone pilot is back! — Ed.

 
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The ghosts have left the ghost town

Tracey McManus of the Tampa Bay Times has a piece on the latest development in Clearwater — Scientology’s latest act of retaliation over losing out on a land deal downtown is that its Sea Org members are apparently boycotting businesses on Cleveland Street.

Clay Irwin at the Lucky Anchor Pub tells us he had noticed the sudden and total absence of Sea Org on the streets downtown. But we have to wonder, will it really impact businesses much that the Scientologists, who are paid pennies an hour when they are paid at all, will not be spending money in Clearwater?

 
UPDATE: We have live video on the scene in downtown Clearwater as Scientologists are seeking cover to stay out of sight…

 

 
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Aaron Smith-Levin answers your questions

Aaron asks a whole host of questions, including this gem: “If some Scientologists don’t take the OT 3 story literally, where do they think thetans come from?”

 

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Did the Cardones fall overboard?

 

 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans, and book your room soon!

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,741 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,844 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,338 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,378 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,090 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 616 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,705 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,845 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,165 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,140 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 496 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,798 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 905 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,307 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,180 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 761 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,266 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,510 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,619 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 5, 2017 at 07:00

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  • WhiteCentauress

    Bring Scientology down!!!

  • nottrue
  • Username

    Jenna Elfman on the verge of getting dumped from ABC, probably in a much nicer way than she’s done to SPs. Karma is a bitch Dharma!

    Other shows leading the dump-this list were CBS’s 2 Broke Girls and CW’s iZombie (34% want them killed); ABC’s spring Jenna Elfman sitcom Imaginary Mary (33%) and Fox’s fading Will Forte comedy The Last Man on Earth (30%). Fox’s Making History topped the list of indifference, with 70% of voters saying they didn’t care either way.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2017/05/05/save-our-shows-2017-timeless-elementary-blindspot-usa-today/101251072/

    • PeaceMaker

      Yeah, this one looked doomed from the start.
      As I’ve written about before, I did some career tracking, and most scientologist actors seemed to have declined significantly after they got heavily involved in Scientology, particularly in terms of major industry awards like Oscars and Emmys, which I think are some measure of their acting craft. Tom Cruise seems to have turned Scientology’s maniacal intensity to work for him in action films, and in his negotiations for huge cuts of film’s receipts, but he also hasn’t even been nominated for an Oscar in ages, and his career has actually been on the decline for a while now and is likely to start to really tank – I have wondered if he doesn’t plan an early retirement to his penthouse in Clearwater, to get out while he still has some reputation and mystique left.

  • GrangerFX

    Leah’s new movie Handsome (old news I presume but just got the Google notification). Out today on NetFlix it seems.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5809020/

  • nottrue

    Leave the baby alone…NE you are sick.. https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/860520093570260995

    • flyonthewall

      what was the story?

      • nottrue

        I think whatever it was has been pulled

      • Some infant sacrifice BS. Scientologists don’t do that; they wait until they’re 15 then sign them up for the Sea Org.

        • WhiteCentauress

          Was Kirstie’s son in the sea org? Just wondering if he received special “dispensation” or if celebrities get an automatic pass.

        • flyonthewall

          nu-uh! really?

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Of course, why eat babies when you can get someone else to pay for their care and feeding up to the point that you can recruit them for a life of indentured servitude? Slaves are extremely valuable commodities…everyone knows that!

    • WhiteCentauress

      For once I 100% agree with her.

    • Silence of the Clams

      ….said the cult member

      • Yeah but, Scientology has so many problems of its own. There’s no need to borrow made-up smears from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    • Missionary Kid

      Nicknames for Kirstie AlleyMany comments about weight, but Kirstie herself makes them about herself, and since the list was started, she has lost a lot of it.
      Classy Kirstie Alley
      Bitch of Boohoo 
      Blind Alley – made by Tiziano Lugli
      Brainwashed Bimbo Krusty Kreme the Queen of Denial
      Countess of C#nt
      Creepy Un Neutered Twat 
      Dead End Alley
      Despoiler of Nights. 
      Dutchess of Dis
      fatback
      Fudgie the Whale
      Hefty Harridan Hussey 
      Her Royal Oiliness
      Jabba the Hutt
      Kaiju Krusty 
      Kirstie Alley: Ruiner of Days 
      Kirstie Krazy Alley
      Kirstie Monster
      Kirstie the Hutt 
      Krasstie
      Krispy
      Krosty Olly
      Krustapottamus
      Krustizilla
      Krusty
      Krusty Airhead
      Krusty Kling-on
      Krusty Kunt 
      Krusty the blimp
      Krusty the Klammy Klown 
      Krusty The Snowjob Man 
      Lady of Lunacy
      Maid of Malevolence
      Ms. Bon Bon 
      official Apocalypse Sow
      Petulant POS
      termagant toady
      Thar she blows
      The Cuntess
      The Prima Donna of the D-list
      Tweetzilla
      unemployed clam cow
      Witch of Wichita

      THINGS SAID ABOUT KIRSTIE ALLEY:

      Things Said About her house in Maine:
      Barbie’s Fever Dream House
      Barbie’s Worst Acid Trip House of Horrors!
      I thought Mattel managed to withdraw all those back in the 70s… 
      It’s decorated in cupcake frosting, with sprinkles 
      It’s nothing a little bit of pink might fix.
      Pept-abysmal 
      pepto bismal palace
      Pepto Bismo Palace
      Pepto Dismal Palace
      Puke Palace
      The Pink Canker.
      You’ve heard of Barbie’s Dream House? Well, this is her NIGHTMARE.

      Things Said About Kirstie herself:
      An apt quote form “Time Bandits” applies to her – “you’re so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence”
      Battlefield Girth
      Can you imagine how dumb Kirstie Alley was before she had her I.Q. Increased by LRH’s tech?
      It’s widely known that Alley has trouble keeping her mouth shut, even between bites.
      KA is so fat, when she backs up, she beeps!
      Keeping Scientology Whaling 
      Keeping Scientology Whining
      Kirstie Alley has an OTVIII level in fried foods
      Kirstie Alley: a bleached whale
      Kirsty has the ability to pick a fight while locked in an empty room. 
      Ruiner of Days, Despoiler of Nights. 
      She may have had a silent birth, but she hasn’t really been silent since, has she?
      She wrote a screenplay, “CHEER$ – where every reg knows your name.”
      She’s so elephant.
      She’s very deep. Like a cavern filled with guano. 
      That Kirstie, so klassy.
      Who needs friends when you have lemurs and lots of food to fill that gaping hole in your psyche?

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Getting off the Scientology mailing list??
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ATf01v4hw

  • Jgg2012

    The Dan / Shannon exchange reminds me of a story I heard from the manager of a telemarketing room. He hired a college baseball who hoped to make in in the majors. In the meantime, he needed a job, so he was hired as a telemarketer, He was so good that he earned a two week paid vacation. After one week, there was a phone call:
    Caller: Joe, its Bob!
    Manager: Oh, hi Bob! How’s you vacation?
    Caller: Great! Guess what happened!
    Manager: What?
    Caller: The Phillies just offered me a 7-figure major league contract!
    Manager: Uh…does that mean you’re not gonna work for us no more?

  • Pezza

    That a pretty intense text convo. I feel bad for dan 😕

  • That fucking video of the Sea Org hiding. I’m dead!

  • Silence of the Clams

    The level of brainwashing in Dan is strong. Props to Shannon for keeping up on her position. I suspect Dan walked away from that exchange with that little voice in the back of his head starting to scream a bit.

    And downtown Clearwater losing out on business because of the SeaOrg? Laughable. This is the best thing that could happen to Cleveland Street. If people realize they don’t have to dance among the zombies anymore, I can assure you traffic will begin to flock back to that street.

    Just goes to show Dave can’t navigate the outside world very well. He has not a clue as to how the real world works. If that prick isn’t in a courtroom or an Org, he’s lost….clearly.

    Fun times with these idiots lately.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    At the Atlanta Ideal Org, they are so desperate for meat bodies now that they’ll bombard you even without a name or address…
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/19dccf07baa180f2746e968ed9577f0fa3a371f49fffb06927013198ba5a7a37.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd4a50387d4363052be5a71dc8e571922c0c5abd1db500f4e25b66a60cedf046.jpg

    • Graham

      The same bullcrap “Limited time offer” claim that they make on the flyers they hand out in London’s Tottenham Court Road.

      • Which I’m sure would be censured by the ASA…

        I wish Plymouth’s Scientologists would stick their head over the parapet again and hand out similar leaflets – I really would put that one to the test.

    • mark

      Does anyone even look at junk mail any more? Not just SCN, but any? Mine goes straight into the recycle bin.

      • Draco

        I use all my scn junk mail to line the kitty litter tray. Works a treat. Nice strong paper.

  • My initial impression of that strange exchange is how tenacious the Scientologist seems to be. They have been ordered to try to ‘recover’ someone who appears in their mailing list and does every possible (deceptive) thing to at least find out more about them.

    It’s something that we have also recently seen in the CofS reaction to the judge in the Garcia case and in their concerted attempt to ‘own’ the heart of Clearwater, complete with their creepy surveillance, intrusive and intimidating ‘security guards’ and their attitude that the police are there to protect them from being looked at.

    They really believe that are privileged above ordinary mortals, both as individuals and as an organisation. There is no point attempting to reason with them at a distance, or much chance of changing their minds.

    If you want to reach one of these people, the only chance you have of doing this is by interacting with them outside of the control of Scientology – which is why Scientology takes such extreme pains to keep members socially isolated.

    Preventing people from interacting with wider society prevents them from seeing Scientology in a wider perspective – which even the CofS implicitly understands is essential for the survival of this fragile, incoherent belief system. It can only endure among people who turn their back on the rest of the world.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “If you want to reach one of these people, the only chance you have of
      doing this is by interacting with them outside of the control of
      Scientology – which is why Scientology takes such extreme pains to keep
      members socially isolated.”

      Exactly! Even though these folks are brain-washed to the max and completely in thrall to Dear Leader, the cult Kool-aid’s effect begins to wear off as soon as they’re not all grouped up in their covens, which is precisely why lil davey works so hard to keep total information/communication control over cult members and to limit their opportunities to interact with non-$cilons whenever possible.

      It’s a beyond-bizarre situation when informed never-ins have to educate cultists regarding their own religion’s most central tenets of faith and foundational beliefs. If you’re a space alien cult who believes that the entire human species has been horrendously traumatized by the actions of an evil intergalactic overlord some 75 million years ago which continues to negatively affect us all until today, plus you believe that we’re all possessed by thousands of dead space alien spirits, then at least be honest with your own parishioners about those beliefs, for Xenu’s sake!

      • I think is the central problem for any project to ‘win hearts and minds’.

        You have to be able to talk freely with the people you are trying to reach. A fundamental feature of Scientology is the way in which it puts immense effort into indoctrinating their members to not listen to any criticism – it’s not just that Scientologists are afraid of being punished for doing so – they actually effectively censor themselves.

        Someone mentions elsewhere that the tenacious way in which the Scientologist ignores any response in which the other party does not follow orders (e.g. tell me who you are, and what your address is) is an application of one the TRs – a Scientologists first indoctrination.

        Isolation and control are the first priorities of Scientology when it acquires a new recruit.

        It’s also impressed me that TR1 is used to teach Scientologists faced with critics to enter a dissociated state in which they do not even feel that the situation is happening to them, making it easier to ignore the other party. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/the-compelling-effects-of-simply-staring-understanding-the-scientology-mindset-part-13/

        I was fascinated when I went along to protests outside Saint Hill during last years IAS event to be faced by people doubly dissociating themselves . Not only do they go away to la-la-land but they even observe the outsider through the tiny LCD panel on the back of a compact camera.

        They think that this is supposed to intimidate the critic. It never occurs to them that it also functions to make the situation they are in unreal to themselves so that what critics say has less effect upon them.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          One of the evil genius areas in which the cult particularly excels is “double-knotting” the self-implanted hypnotic commands that make $cilons so impervious to normal interactions with you and I , the rest of the real world and, remarkably, even to themselves. The first knot comes when they chump for the grand assertion that Elron and the Holy Tech are both infallible and can not be altered or questioned. Then, that “held down 7” is double-knotted upon itself with the most dangerous implant of them all: You may not question or disagree with $cn even in your own mind. Once folks fully chump for that mega mind fuck, then they’re not just lost to you and I and other real world folks, but they are lost to themselves as well…scary beyond belief!

          Elron was worse than a dilettante in most of the fields in which he dabbled, but he had a deep practical understanding of hypnosis and the power of self-suggestion, especially when used in the ancient ways of the dark arts, in which he must be considered a master.

          If you can get a group of totally convinced true believers to go out and act as your own little navy of Ronbot proxies, then you can then much more efficiently spam the scam. But when you can get that same group to believe in your recorded word as if it came from the almighty on high, then you’re Golden for all of Eternity…or, in Elron’s case, until his poor health habits, evil deeds and bedeviling BTs finally killed him 😉

  • Harpoona Frittata

    From the linked TBT story concerning the cult’s butt hurt boycott of downtown businesses:

    “Scientology spokesman Ben Shaw said in a statement to the Times
    that ‘there is absolutely not any boycott of downtown by either staff
    or parishioners’ and that the church has received queries in the past
    few months about whether staff could wear a different uniform or none at
    all. ‘We wish to avoid doing anything that would upset anybody,’ Shaw
    said. ‘If you don’t recognize staff, it is because they aren’t in
    uniform when frequenting downtown.”’

    Gee, Ben, let’s apply a little simple logic here to see how plausible your denial that any sort of boycott is occurring, and your alternative explanation of the sudden, almost complete disappearance of uniformed $ea Orgy staff from the downtown area, actually are, shall we?

    First, if local downtown business owners are noting a sharp decline in their business which coincided with the sudden absence of uniformed $cilons on the streets, then it sure makes you wonder what could be going on there, if it’s NOT some sort of formal or informal $cn boycott, doesn’t it?

    Unless the $cn workers who show up for work each morning on the cult’s buses are no longer required to wear their distinctive uniforms at all, or they’re changing into street clothes before going shopping, there’s really no way around the conclusion that downtown business owners have come to, is there?

    If no uniformed $cilons are present on the streets of downtown CW, and the businesses in that area are reporting a significant downturn in their business that began with the disappearance of uniformed cult staff from the area, then either out-of-uniform $ea Orgy staff are continuing to shop there or there is a boycott going on. If it’s the former, then what could explain the downturn in business that’s been reported, if it’s not due to a cult boycott?

    The “we’re just acquiescing to the local community’s unfair and bigoted concern about the presence of lots of uniformed personnel” just rings completely hollow to me, and to put it in $cio-speak terms: This seems like a very 1.1 move, engineered by the cult’s Dear Leader out of butt hurt vindictiveness and designed to hurt those who weren’t even responsible for his upset.

    What this entire nightmare sequence of major fuck ups and horrible PR disasters reveals is just how badly lil davey wanted that 1.4 acre parcel and how big a monkey wrench this epic fail has thrown into his grand plan to dominate the city of CW and make the place Tom Cruise-ready.

    Fair gaming Winter, the beloved local dolphin, has gotta be a new low, even for Dear Leader…may Xenu haunt your every dream and your BTs continue to plague you at every turn!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I think that Miscavige’s response to Clearwater is an ongoing foot blowtorch.

    If they are having Sea Org members stay inside and not patronize businesses in downtown, that just increases the pressure inside the bubble. It creates mystery and ‘cabin fever’ and will make even more of them crazy and type III. Even full-on criminals in prison get a few minutes in the ‘yard.’

    If they are dressing up in civilian clothes so they cannot be recognized as Sea Org members, that’s a godsend to the individual staff. It makes it much easier for them to blow. That uniform business makes it easy for security to spot them, but if they dress to blend in, then they can blend in while on the run.

    The great thing about Miscavige’s insane backlash against Clearwater and the Aquarium is it reveals for all to see how insane Scientology is and how completely Miscavige is a psychopath.

    • Jimmy3

      There is no boycott. Just after decades of mandatory uniforms, they suddenly decided to do away with the dress code.

    • Observer

      I wonder how long until Captain Miscavige starts having Sea Org implanted with GPS trackers. That sounds tinfoily, but I could totally see him doing it.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • HTC

      It’s a great cartoon. Pythons are a huge (pun intended) problem down here, but the government doesn’t protect them like it does the cult.

  • outraged

    Once touched by Scientology, they will never let you go.
    But when you get your mind back, they kick you out the door so fast your socks fly off.

  • Mary Smith
    • Jimmy3

      That just means the public sidewalks are blocked off, right?

      • JJ

        or missing…

        • stillgrace2

          Quick, somebody count the trees!

    • Graham

      No mention of dress code. Can we assume it’s civilian gear; no wait-staff uniforms please.

    • stillgrace2

      … local non-profits. Hmmmmm. What is Tiny Miscavige up to?

    • PeaceMaker

      I think they are going to have trouble getting traction with that now, after the boycott or whatever it is that they are up to. Attendance might be an interesting gauge of the size of the local community of active scientologists, since outsiders may avoid it, but Scientology may put out an all-hands call for members.

    • Ann B Watson

      All are Welcome is the more ridiculous of Scientology’s bait then switch. Back in the 70s occasionally GO/WW Gardian’s Office World Wide would pop in at Asho and announce that some Press were getting a tour of Asho the next day. Orders were those that had clergy collars & or cufflinks wear them and make sure that darn Cross was shined to an inch of it’s upside downess and for good measure tastefully put a Bible next to the cross. A laugh was had by all over that Shore story. Thank you Mary,the lies keep on coming….💖

    • Ruby

      Local non-profits…I wonder if they invited David Yates?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Sure wish I could be there for the festivities…wearing my best Xenu costume!

    • Mick Roberts

      Bring family, friends and “neighbors”…….just don’t visit spend any money with OUR neighbors’ establishments….

    • mark

      They will still have it. It will be just on S Ft Harrison, 3 feet back of Cleveland.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Uh-oh! Don’t look now Miscavige, but it looks like someone is ready to party!
      (refresh)

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc5b6b289e4805cb0946cb996ffe474772f50bb1867a1e39cf2beb6afecae4b3.png

    • Sherbet

      Gee, I’d go if only they had a convenient swimming pool to use.

  • nottrue
  • JJ

    Dude, is that a geoduck? Maybe that is what the body thetans look like?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    If the Sea Org doesn’t have to wear those uniforms anymore, can we expect more of them to blow?
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7e7629ba640b6cbc2d1cc860630fdc92935057ab27f7838c0a0b2108646f49a.png

  • Jimmy3

    Well you know what? I’m gonna boycott Flag then. Starting now.

    • Mick Roberts

      Oh come on. Don’t be so petty!

      Actually, they’d probably like for regular folks to “boycott” them and never come around……it’s one of the main reasons they wanted that aquarium lot so badly according to Mike Rinder.

      • Jimmy3

        It’s too late, Mick. I’ve already began my boycott. Not one thin dime for this crime.

        • Mick Roberts

          You counter-intentioned cock-sucker!

          • PerpetualOutflow

            LOL, I’d shudder to think what newbs here at the Bunker must think. So much backstory to the simplest of comments.

            • Mick Roberts

              Those newbs best not backflash me or they will rue that day in a most rueful manner!

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Okay, you just ruined my keyboard. Hahahahaha

  • Sunny Sands

    The Sea Org go to Walgreens on Court St. in Clearwater for their essentials. I don’t see them needing anything on Cleveland St. besides a coffee treat at Starbucks.

    • Jimmy3

      What do they get at Starbucks? The free cup of ice water?

      • Sherbet

        I always wonder how they can afford Starbucks.

        • Mick Roberts

          Regraded Being over at Mike Rinder’s blog might explain how they can afford it. Must split a coffee and ration out the sips of coffee. Guy on RB upset because someone owes him a couple of sips.

          http://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-95/

          • Sherbet

            Saw it. Funny.

    • Chee Chalker

      How do you split a latte 8 ways?

  • I think the best way to get off a mailing list or to get them to stop calling is to have pneumonia-inducing OT III handy. Then if they continue, threaten to read it to them. You have to be ready to start reading and be strong on this even though if they catch pneumonia you know they’ll blame you.

    BTW, just google Scientology OT 3 full text and you’ll have pages of the text of OT 3 to use when the Scientologists call. (Extra added bonus-the origin of Xenu will be revealed to all at this level!)

    • PeaceMaker
      • Ya, that should work too, but I really think you need that pneumonia element for maximum effect.

        • PeaceMaker

          I read recently, that the scientologists’ rationalization is that you can’t get pneumonia just from reading the words, only from trying to do the actual process when not properly prepared.

          • Well, that’s a relief.
            The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet – 178 billion on average) by mass implanting…

      • I was just thinking of that yesterday.
        Saved for use as a poster.

      • GrangerFX

        Is this the only religion that has spoilers?

  • Tony Ortega

    Going on Calgary radio in a few minutes.

    http://www.newstalk770.com/

    • Mick Roberts

      Kick some ass!

    • iampissed

      Go get em.

    • Qbird

      listening, listening – TY TO!

      • downtherabbithole

        Did I hear wrong? Did Tony say he interviewed the young man who called 911.

        • Qbird

          you heard right!

          • downtherabbithole

            Oh wonderful, tomorrows story

    • HailToTheSheep

    • Jeb Burton

      You’re a hoser aye? The Canadians love it when you call them that.

      • Qbird

        it’s — eh?!

        • Jeb Burton

          Sorry. Wasn’t sure on my spelling

  • Jimmy3

    “More like a prison camp than a rehab center.”

    In an Ideal world, it could be both.

  • flyonthewall

    those son of a bitch Canadians want a trade war?? I’ll give them a trade war

    • Jimmy3

      Would think you more of a thumb war kinda soldier.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      … and what? Stop buying maple syrup, eh? 😉

    • Mick Roberts

      What are you talking aboot?

      • Jimmy3

        I think hes talking about the price of these new sex robots. $15,000! Damn

        • flyonthewall

          i’m just gonna buy a used one, much cheaper

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            eeeeeeeew!!! :)ETA: not saying I’m not laughing… just…

          • Mick Roberts

            First of all…..jeez, that’s expensive as hell.

            Secondly, I think you missed the joke about “aboot” (Canadian Bacon movie reference).

            Third, I suppose it’s only logical to assume that when Tony is busy doing an interview that the Bunker chatter turns to topics along the lines of “sex robots”.

            Finally, WTH fly? A used one?

            • Draco

              First of all … never explain your jokes to Fly or J3. They are usually yanking your chain!
              Second … Uh … no I got nothing else.

          • Draco

            You. did. not. just. say. that.

            • Qbird

              yes. he. did. Flies ~ what more can ya say! 🙂

            • Draco

              True…they are not exactly picky about where they land, or crawl into ;P

            • Kestrel

              It’s okay. They refurbish them before putting them up for sale.

      • Robert Ramsay

        that’s not funny man :

        • Mick Roberts

          Just a little Canadian Bacon joke. Meant no offense to anyone. I’m a Southerner born and raised in Mississippi, people make fun of my accent and terminology (reckon, fixin’, yonder) all the time…..it’s all in good fun.

          • Qbird

            oh yah suuuure!

          • Robert Ramsay

            I know. My wife’s father (Welsh man) took immense pleasure in saying
            “What’s that all aboot Rob”. Use to bring him to tears. If I said “walk”
            he’d go into anaphylactic shock. I thought you were a brit when you posted that.

          • WhiteCentauress

            Ok, now THAT I understand. “I’m fixing to eat supper, I reckon, I’m peckish.”

    • HailToTheSheep

      Do I get some kinda reward for listening to Canadian politics while waiting? Sex robots talk coming up! (So to speak.)

    • OOkpik

      Bring it on but Daisy stays here. 🙂

  • AntoniaW

    I thought the video update of the Clam was just magnificent. Thank you so much for that!!

  • Jimmy3

    What was the thread count on those sheets? I feel like that may be an important detail.

    • flyonthewall

      pretty sure by sheet he meant potato sacks crudely sown together

  • John Prince

    I filled out the oca “questionaír” in 1987 when I lived in San Jose, Ca. and even went down to the Dianetics Center to talk to a scibot after I got a desperate phone call from them an hour Later,saying ” they NEEDED to talk to me about my “test results”..But I never made their mailing list. The BEST way to NEVER make their list,I can tell You, is to laugh out Loud in their faces when they start telling You ” scientology can help you with that ” 😅😆😃😂…You shoulda’ seen that poor Bastard,he was fighting back tears,trying to keep a straight face as I laughed my way out of his basement cubicle 😎

    {true “never-in” story}

    • WhiteCentauress

      I read that as orca questionnaire.

      • John Prince

        It’s all good! ..Orca’s are kinda’ related to Dolfins, right?

        • WhiteCentauress

          Big, tough cousins….

    • grundoon

      A Thursday morning, amirite?

  • flyonthewall

    YAY! He said dot org!

    • Jimmy3

      That’s here. Flush all the used sex bots

  • Qbird

    TO talking about the Introspection Rundown & how it does not work. It’s dangerous.
    It can kill a person.
    True stories.

    eta: news coming tomorrow about Tenn. guy!

  • Qbird

    This radio guy knows some shit. That’s nice, good interview.
    Leah’s show is connecting with ppl. like never before.

    ah! That’s it – short & sweet.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    The locals have some interesting things to say about that CO$ Tennessee facility. One even said that “people on Sycamore have had problems for years with break-ins where just food was stolen.” Yikes
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05856abc02f1999baf4ba2ce37b4c3fb77882a4543c52b115aa441b7bac353e1.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/23bfc114a2ec9d650781ac70f8e40df480968c4ab64078d07fe391a1ecfbb68f.png

    • This should be a national outrage.
      People held against their will in hellholes for months.
      Why is this not national news?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        IKR. At least it’s being shared widely on Facebook.

        • John Prince

          Not widely enough, I’ve only heard about it here..not on any “real”news outlet 😔..can’t imagine why this story’s not getting Major Media Attention?¿

          • Intergalactic Walrus
            • John Prince

              How refreshing! Thanks for the Becon of Light..all hope in Mankind is NOT lost 😎

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Best part –
              FOX 17 spoke with Church of Scientology Nashville pastor Reverend Brian Fesler. Rev. Fesler says The Life Center in no way is a part of the Church of Scientology. “I had no idea what was going on down there. You can’t open a Scientology facility unless it’s approved by the church.” Fesler added “It has nothing to do with our church. It’s nothing we would be involved in, in any way.

              And Vallieres and his CO$ cure, coming soon to a county near you…

              “FOX 17 also spoke with the Cannon County Clerk’s Office which stated all three men in the case are currently on unsupervised probation as part of their diversion program. All three men paid their court costs in full and will be on probation for 11 months and 29 days. The court also ruled Vallieres cannot operate any facility or residence in Cannon County.

            • Mary Smith

              Such BS. I hope the reporters don’t believe that they are not associated with Scientology.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              AFAIK, all of LRH’s BS is copyrighted, so you’d have to ask for permission and pay them to use it. SMH

  • John Prince

    Damit 😠..I’m in Germany! can’t hear Canuck-radio..what am I missing about co$ tennessee “facility”?

    • Jimmy3

      Tony just sorta went over what he had reported earlier in the week. But he explained it in his usual straightforward, easy to follow way.

      • flyonthewall

        and he did it in that sexy Barry White voice he’s been working on

      • John Prince

        The more Peeps hear this shit the better..Canucks have Internet too, and some even speak English..

    • downtherabbithole

      Sounds like tomorrows story may be about the person who called 911 to rescue the poor soul out of that hell hole.

      • John Prince

        EVERYONE who ever got sucked in by narconon should dial 911
        AND File a Lawsuit against david miscavige 😠😡💀👽

  • flyonthewall

    I got a present from the thrift store bc someone loves me…or fears me and feels compelled to pay me tribute lest my cane finds their backside. Whatever is fine

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b5f684b0af3aa63f9c3e2ce80c3f2477c3c4260675e6790c00f929d20eee1ad.jpg

    • Jimmy3

      In Jessica’s defense, that does look like a really cool cult. Like getting kidnapped by James Dean.

      • flyonthewall

        what are you backflashing against anyway!?

        What do you got?

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t do backflashing. I’m just trying get my boycott on.

          • Jimmy3

            Johnny is the one you’re looking for if you’re into backflashing.

          • flyonthewall

            that was my bad, sorry. I thought I was doing a clever James Dean reference but it was actually Marlon Brando

          • Supper Powers

            I have video of you backflashing. I am not proud.
            https://media0.giphy.com/media/IrEM5nREa2H8k/giphy.gif

            • flyonthewall

              why is jimmy peeing on that dancer lady, mommy?

            • Supper Powers

              Oh honey, it’s just the latest dance craze.

          • flyonthewall

            Boycotting Flag? It’s a good idea. How much do you think you’ve spent there overall? I imagine they’ll feel the pinch pretty quick if you withdraw your support.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s not about how much I’ve spent, it’s about how much I will spend going forward. Which is zero dollars.

            • flyonthewall

              they only accept theta bucks at Flag anyway so you may want to rethink this

      • Ann B Watson

        That cliff car scene gave me carnightmares for weeks. Rocks, cliffs, ocean, hot rods, fifties all narrated by Ron with a bang up ending Buy & read DMSMH. Gag! 💞

      • HailToTheSheep

        It’s Nick Lister!

    • Science Doc

      In the next book Jessica flees Tennessee and an abusive mother with her married 50 year old forensics teacher.

      • flyonthewall

        they’re in love! The world just doesn’t understand

  • HTC

    Sure I’m late to the party but the whole exists in Tennessee

    http://www.businessinsider.com/scientology-facilities-in-tennessee-closed-2017-5

  • HTC

    Oh the “update” video is priceless – TO your snark knows no bounds…

  • downtherabbithole

    Gee only 49 more more to HowdyCon 2017 – where does the time go.

    For the life of me I can not remember the user name of the bunker person who kept the photo album. Have not seen her/him in ages. Something like aeg???primo???

    Mentioned this some time back but I lost my sticky note. Hate those things. They always seem go missing when I need them.

    • Jimmy3

      aegerprimo

      • downtherabbithole

        Thank you jimmy3

      • downtherabbithole

        Now do you have a solution to missing/wandering sticky notes?

        • Jimmy3

          Watch the movie Memento.

          • downtherabbithole

            I think I saw that but I can’t really remember

            • Jimmy3

              Well then you need to rewatch and tattoo all the details of it on your person :p

          • ExCult.Jan

            Best movie ever

    • Qbird
      • downtherabbithole

        Many thanks. Love looking at the bunker crowd

      • downtherabbithole

        The bunker women are very pretty. Back to my photo browsing…

        • Qbird

          fun. I can’t make HowdyCon, but I did get to the big city for an Unbreakable Miss Lovely book-talk. It was wonderful… really fun. So nice to meet interesting folks, was able to buy Tony a Surly Furious!
          This second HowdyCon will be even better, I’d wager! XD

      • downtherabbithole

        There is some guy here who has “hippie hair” and needs a hair cut.

      • GfldedKim

        Lovely peeps! Wish I knew who they all are… I see baby, Tony, Fly, Pete, Chris…which one is Jimmy?? Kim?? Great pics!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Thanks. Got your comm. Understood that you’re under savage alien attack in a region of exploding volcanoes. But we still need to know your current address and any names you used when you were in the Sea Org.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09ddcafed4d71ad87254b3e7936d4d1baea45bb5d9b6ede5fcd9035e85abf3a7.jpg

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Thanks. Got your text w/photo that you’re on a plane whose engine has blown apart mid-flight and you’re headed for an emergency landing & may not survive. However, we still need your current address.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/094d78cb9d3a098ead9495d0805734a95c4c9613eeb9c80a81367c3019a4ddc7.jpg

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Thanks. Got your text w/photo that you’re about to end cycle on death row. However we still need your current address and any names you used when you worked for OSA INT.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7bc161fb3e9a2c9ed9f0c7b427f4154d6e87bc6001d7820fb1b389de4cd5e84d.jpg

        • Science Doc

          You should see their set up for a blow drill in this place.

          • WhiteCentauress

            Funniest thread ever……

        • Cedilla

          Frank
          Current address 49°47′ 35.84″N, 8°40′ 5.58″E

      • Science Doc

        My address is 31,000 feet, no – 28,000 feet, no – 25,000 feet ….

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Understood on rapid loss of altitude, catastrophic depressurization & smoke filling the cabin. However we still need your current address. Thanks.

          • Science Doc

            Loud sound then call goes to voicemail.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Get back in that body! Return to the body! And we still need your current address.

      • GrangerFX

        Little mention has been made of the bold face lie that Dan told about needing the information to remove Shannon from their lists. Way to remind the people they call of why they need to stay away from this evil cult. I am surprised they don’t ask for money to remove them from their lists complete with veiled threats of what will happen if they don’t pay.

    • Cedilla

      “But we still need to know your current address & names you used when you were in the Sea Org.”

      Mark Wrathbun
      St. Pete Times Cathedral.
      Contact number (727) 449-1688.

      • GrangerFX

        I would give them the name and work address of an FBI investigator. Squeaky wheel.

    • Ann B Watson

      Wait Wait my Telex got eaten by lava! Smoke signals will be the only way to send my invisible address. Thanks Team! 🌋🔥💛

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Ann! Report to Cramming! You apparently went past a word you didn’t understand on the HCO PL “Always Use Lava Proof Telex Paper When Volcanoes are Active in Your Area.”

    • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

      Xenu and “body-thetans” work much faster, when included in one’s communication to any “church” of Scientology central files updating person, to get them to stop conversing with you pronto.

      The ticket to quick deadfiling, is say “Xenu caused the Wall of Fire, you know. And “body-thetans” are infesting you and me and L. Ron too, since he died with some “body-thetans” still bugging him, did you know?”

      People who want off the mailing lists, just pull out the final pages of Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear….” and read or type the info about L. Ron Hubbard’s admitting failure at exorcising all of Ron’s “body-thetans.”

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T – Back from the doctor with the official word on my hip! Replacement has been scheduled for June 20, so I definately will not be able to make HowdyCon this year. I’ll have to see about laying hands on a laptop, so I’ll at least be able to ‘live blog’ about it.

    • downtherabbithole

      So sorry to hear this. Wishing you a successful replacement & a speedy recovery

      • PickAnotherID

        Thanks for the good wishes. And if this gets rid of the pain I’ve been living with, I’m not going to be sorry about it at all.

        • Ann B Watson

          Sending you many good wishes & remember Anesthesia is your Friend. Having had quite a few chats with that class of surgery drugs. Seriously you will do great. 💖

        • MarcabExpat

          Every single person I’ve met who had a hip replacement (and I volunteer with people with medical conditions) says they’re so glad they got it. And it’s not like you have to lie still in a cast or anything — you start moving right away! Good luck and keep us posted!

          • PickAnotherID

            Yeah, but because the meds I’m on for my heart the doc doesn’t want me going anywhere until he’s sure everything has healed up the way it should.

            • MarcabExpat

              Oh absolutely, you’re not going to want to travel for a while. I just mean that physical therapy begins immediately and you’re not restricted to bed rest. They will be anxious to begin mobilizing the joint right away.

              My friend who had a knee replacement said the therapists woke her up a few hours after surgery for her first session of flexing and moving, and she was up and toddling around on a walker the day after that. I doubt it is that quick for a hip replacement, but you can bet they’ll have you busy getting used to the new joint in no time. Which means a shorter hospital stay and less therapy needed over time, yay!

              I’m not a candidate for joint replacement, and the last time I had traditional surgery I was in a full-length cast for six weeks, and had to do nine months of intensive PT after that. Believe me, the way you’re going to do it is sooooo much better. Just keep following doc’s orders and hopefully this will be a whole new lease on life.

        • ExCult.Jan

          You might regret all the bad Hippy jokes we make, though.

    • Science Doc

      Live blogging surgery is cool. I’m usually pretty messed up from the anesthesia and can’t see straight for two days, so don’t push yourself.

      • PickAnotherID

        Ooops! I meant live blog with the folks at HowdyCon while I’m laid up after the surgery. From what I’m told, I’ll be complete out of things during the surgery.

        • Observer

          Science Doc posted during one of his surgeries…

          • Science Doc

            It was one on local. But to be fair I was getting a biopsy result before they closed so there was some real drama.

      • Jimmy3

        I was really impressed, and just a tad bit creeped out. But it was good.

  • Missionary Kid

    About 35 or more years ago, a cute body router accosted me on the street in Santa Barbara, where I was visiting. I took the “personality test”, and I’ve never gotten a letter or phone call..

    At the time, there was a tall (for Santa Barbara) building with “Scientology” on a vertical sign close by, but the body router made no mention of who she was doing it for, and I was ushered into a separate building.

    I knew what she was doing, and I gave a fake name, address, and phone number. After I told that story earlier here in the Bunker, one comment was that It was cruel because somebody is probably still getting phone calls from $cientology.

    • Missionary Kid

      ETA: I meant to say, “one comment was that It was cruel because somebody is probably still getting phone calls from $cientology.”

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I reckon there are probably 3 wogs who’d like to wring your neck – one with the name that you gave them, another one who lives at that address and another one who has that phone number 😉

        • Missionary Kid

          The name I gave them wasn’t listed in the phone book, the street number was totally fictitious, so probably nobody’s getting any letters. The phone number, I never checked.

      • GrangerFX

        I need to read more before I write snarky comments. Sorry about that.

        • WhiteCentauress

          Don’t feel bad. We all do it.

        • Missionary Kid

          No apology necessary.

    • Jimmy3

      I dunno. There are worse things than being accosted by a cute body router.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      ” a cute body router accosted me on the street in Santa Barbara”

      Oh so that’s what they call them in Santa Barbara, eh???

      • Missionary Kid

        She didn’t ask for money. 😛

  • WhiteCentauress

    Reality check needed…..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9b52d2158ca8538105aab20905a9c027146e78d1c25c9ae2461eb1545eaa145.jpg

    But….. “Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.” Napoleon

  • Tony Ortega

    Looks like Melissa changed her mind about an afternoon FBI dump. But that’s OK because I have amazing stuff on the Tennessee situation which I’m writing up for the morning. Whoo boy.

    • Never mind.

    • downtherabbithole

      Many thanks for all your hard work. Off to the donation box and then I will go tackle those damn weeds.

    • GrangerFX

      WHAT?!? Bait and switch. That does it. I am boycotting the Bunker. I won’t hit F5 for 60 whole seconds. OK maybe 30.

  • downtherabbithole

    As I gaze out my window on this beautiful day, I noticed the garden is not weeding itself. What’s up with that?

    Off to at least contemplate pulling a few.

    Enjoy the rest of this fine day.

  • flyonthewall

    someone is making friends

    • Jimmy3

      I had a super snarky reply too and now the opportunity is gone forever. I am dismayed.

      • flyonthewall

        i had one for the first guy too, same deal. That’s the 2nd one within like 30min

        • Jimmy3

          Who knows if we’ll even have a chance to break the snark record now

          • flyonthewall

            you know the same thing happened with the same bunkeroo awhile back? Pissed someone off and they followed him here started flinging poo everywhere

            • Jimmy3

              Well that doesn’t seem very sanitary. Is that what that smell is?

            • flyonthewall

              yep. For once it is not me

  • Observer
    • Science Doc

      That stuff looks rough. Someone suggested I try it for pain, but I couldn’t get past Wikipedia.

      • Observer

        Stuff like that is like magic beans in my book.

        • Jimmy3

          And magic beans are a bad thing, I’m assuming? I’ve always wanted to meet a giant. I saw Zydrunis Ilgauskus at a Chipotle once, but he was eating and I didn’t want to bother him.

    • Sherbet

      Tabatha Fauteux’s fatal mistake.

  • Dan, Dan, the letter-office man.
    Try to escape him however you can… (F5):

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b716867f37f3720d8bb1b16e4f31fb80edb167b94677e96cf0e0a5cb21107f1.jpg

    • GrangerFX

      In space no one can hear you flap. I hope he can hold his breath.

      • Missionary Kid

        $cientology is as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.

  • ExCult.Jan

    Shannon, you ROCK!
    Hopefully, Dan might save your contact info and/or advice for when there’s a crack in his brain cult-wall.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Aaron, I like your dog!

  • Prim

    Jesus, that girl should get massive kudos for her amazing deprogramming attempt at that Sea Orger. Such a clear and accurate takedown of scientology in just a few text messages. Nobidy can tell me that guy isnt lying in his bunk after his rations were cut after not meeting his dollar quota, hungry, wondering wtf he read and was it true? Is that what regular wogs think of us? Why am i wasting my life on this?

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    “Tennessee Scientologist charged in kidnapping case”

    Ya see what happens when a good-standing scientologist takes a lil initiative?????

    http://newschannel20.com/news/nation-world/tennessee-scientologist-charged-with-facilitation-to-kidnapping-of-two-people

  • Science Doc

    I’m convinced that this is how young Sea Orgers imagine themselves. F5. And if you’ve read Gaiman’s American Gods you know Technical Boy is a complete douche. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0ef07a2a237a6eb7d36e8ad97aafff1013e8053c89c2a0b5e50f210e86ae6d15.jpg

  • Barbara

    I bet the lone SO guy is in trouble! Apparently he never got the “casual” clothes memo…

    • Suzy

      he probably can’t afford a spare set of clothes. I understand Sea Org members often just have one or two shirts that they wear over and over

  • Jeb Burton

    I have a question. When you request a freedom of information act, do they only give it to the one who requested it, or is it available to everybody once it released? It doesn’t seem right that Radar can release it over 3 weeks and nobody else can access the information. Once it released to the public, we should all be available to access it.

    • MrsShark

      If I have an account on FOIAonline, what personal information do you share with the public?

      We do not share any personal information with the public other than your name. However, we may share personal information you have typed in the “Description” field of the “Create a request” page if that information is not considered Personally Identifiable Information. This information is reviewed by the processing agency and a decision is made whether to display it to the public or not based on what is provided or if the agency has a policy not to share it generally.

      Can everyone see the records sent in response to my request?

      An agency must choose whether or not to release records on a document-by-document basis. Agencies may decide to make all records you have requested available to the public. They might also release records that contain sensitive information directly to you but not make them available to the public.

      • MrsShark

        That is from the FAQ page btw – I did not type it out

        • Jeb Burton

          `Thanks.

  • Tree

    It took about a month for it to work but each and every time something came I wrote across it “Will not accept” and put it right back in the mailbox with the flag up! I assumed that they would have to pay return postage and it would get as irritating for them as it was for me. I haven’t hear a word in years now.

  • exccla

    Shannon for president of the world !! You hit it out of the ball park. You should do a seminar on how to talk to those still in the swamp !!

  • Taffy Sinclair

    After reading yesterday’s article here on the Bunker, I have some questions that are bothering me.

    The story of forced abortions is sickening. Pure evil to do that to a woman (and her man.) Evidently, these sociopaths @ Gold forced the Int Base workers to go so often to the point that the abortion clinic was alarmed!! Like, WTF??

    So, IIRC, LRH said that “mankind’s evils are because of his love of abortion” or something insane like that?? How does that work if policy is to terminate a pregnancy????

    And if they forbid reproduction among Sea Ogres, then who will be there to sign the next “kajillion’s of yearses contract???”

    Call me a hillbilly, but are these folks’ plum crazy, y’all???

    • Jimmy3

      Yes, you hillbilly.

    • Liberated

      Yes, you’re asking sane logical questions, that’s the problem.
      Abortion is the absolute worst, most evil thing a woman can do, she is 1.1 on the tone scale and the cause of mankind’s ills.
      When sea org demands you do it, it’s for the greatest good. How can she KSW ?
      They make her do it but still blame her and hate her for it. Hubbard hated women and all that mattered was dominating and controlling them.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        It boggles the mind how contradictory they are!!!!

        • ExCult.Jan

          How is it more mind boggling than white Republican men defunding birth control, abortion, prenatal care, childbirth AND childcare services?

  • nottrue
    • Jimmy3

      Damn. Canadians are everywhere today.

    • MarcabExpat

      One of these damn things tried to murder me outright once, for the mortal sin of walking past him from thirty feet away. Chased me nearly a quarter mile to do it too. I fucking hate geese.

      • gtsix

        They taste great roasted with a nice plum sauce. Honk honk.

        • MarcabExpat

          I’ve done it. Fewest servings per amount of work of any bird, and the most expensive!

          (You can probably tell I’m still disgruntled about the continued existence of geese.)

    • Jeb Burton

      A mother and 10 baby ducks came by the other day. I was sitting in my chair reading and the mother went to the screen door, looking in, and the babies all came in front of my chair, sat down, and all were staring at me. It was so cool. Found out my better half was feeding them. But at the time, I thought I was the duck whisperer.

      • Juicer77

        Lol!

  • Tony Ortega

    OK, here’s the deal. I have the Tennessee story done, and it’s a good one.

    But if I post it now, I may have something pretty light for the morning. I have a lot of stuff going on right now.

    But I think it’s best to get the Tennessee story out now. (There might be a few people who aren’t drunk yet at Cinco de Mayo parties that still feel like reading something.)

    So that’s what I’m thinking.

    • flyonthewall

      did you know they don’t celebrate Cinco de Mayo in Mexico? It’s true

      • Science Doc

        In one province only.

        • flyonthewall

          stupid Pueblans

    • Science Doc

      It’s not often the Mexican militia beats the French army, so it’s important to celebrate.

    • WhiteCentauress

      You know you want to.

    • Susan black

      Bring it on! Light in the morning is Ok. Even sleeping is acceptable. We hungry NOW.

    • Bobbysue Fontaine de la Tour

      The story must be told and we’ve come to the right place.

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST IS UP

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Hecklers are why global ecclesiastical leaders such as David Miscavige or Benny Hinn always travel on private planes with bodyguards. Here is what happened when Rev. Hinn had to actually travel commercial:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV88GrTjrkg

  • grundoon

    One does not have to be handsome, or beautiful to reinforce a PRO [Public Relations Officer] action. It helps but it often also hinders. Integrity and sincerity can communicate even more forcefully than appearance. However, appearance has a definite role in PRO. …

    Thus average audiences or persons or persons in the West seeing their ideal of themselves (clean, neat, mannerly) if similarly but slightly better dressed, are impressed by appearance and receptive. If however a PRO person were dressed that same way yet sought to impress or get the agreement of a Communist group in the East he probably would fail as he is a bourgeoisie (middle class) symbol. … To get the attention and sincere agreement of a bunch of collective farmers one would have to look like their ideal of a very good collective farmer and act accordingly. On the other hand to PRO a movie star it would be necessary to dress a bit movie star – but not too much as they fear rivals in attention getting. …

    In PRO, one is actually creating an illusion or symbol that will be considered acceptable by those who see the image compatible with the message one is trying to put across or the data one is attempting to find.

    ETHNICS

    This subject of appearance is actually an ETHNIC idea. Ethnic means beliefs, mores, customs, patterns of thought or racial or religious stable data.

    What do the people being seen think the PRO person should look like, dress like, act like to be asking or talking to them about that subject?

    The Walla-wallas think someone with a new product should look like a witch doctor before they believe him. Politicians think one should look like a psychiatrist before appropriating a few billion for him. Savage Ugpugs only accept PRO from fat men. And the Romans only accepted it from bird entrails.

    What type of communicator is acceptable? For what message? That is an Ethnic survey problem and the answer is only valid for the area in which it is obtained. It is always what they think the ideal symbol is, not necessarily the usual symbol that gives that type of message to them.

    L. Ron Hubbard
    HCO POLICY LETTER OF 12 NOVEMBER 1969
    APPEARANCE AND PRO

  • grundoon

    APPEARANCES comes under the Department of Ethnics Div 6, Dept 16, Ethnic Acceptable Appearance Section. The Public Exec Sec therefore is directly responsible for the appearance of the org, its staff, its literature and publications so far as appearance and acceptability go. …

    When one has money and an Ethnic survey has determined what the population thinks a professional looks like, one can buy the staff clothes that forward a highly professional image to create public respect and confidence. Remember in this survey as in all Ethnic surveys, one does not copy professionals in the society as they haven’t done a survey. One is interested in looking like what the public thinks a professional looks like. This is moderated of course by what the staff will then be proud to look like. …

    A noisy atmosphere near auditing rooms or in reception, radios playing, staff chattering can spoil an image. Children flying about and babies’ nappies hanging are about as far as you can get from a professional image. Do all right for the Congo maybe but even there I can’t imagine a ju-ju being taken very seriously in a hut so equipt.

    The way to spoil an org image is of course to subdue or kill what successful Scn orgs have always been noted for – a happy, friendly, busy atmosphere. So the use of heavy ethics to produce image compliance is murderous. Pride is the primary reason for good appearance. So staff cooperation and enthusiasm for the project is worth thousands of conditions seeking to force them to work for an image.

    L. Ron Hubbard
    HCO POLICY LETTER OF 11 DECEMBER 1969
    APPEARANCES IN PUBLIC DIVS

  • grundoon

    FIND OUT WHAT IS NEEDED AND WANTED

    The purpose of this policy letter is to provide a SET FORMAT that can be used over and over again by Orgs to find out in their country, area, city, community WHAT IS NEEDED AND WANTED. Once this is known to an organization it can angle its promotion on it and produce it. For example, an area wants more INTELLIGENT PEOPLE AND ACTIONS and LESS STUPIDITY. The Org of the area finds out and goes into a promotional programme of “We can RAISE your IQ!!” or “Tired of being STUPID? We can restore your NATURAL INTELLIGENCE!” Of course through training and processing an organization can produce this exact result. …

    If an organization or group does this over and over continually to keep up with the trends and cover new areas its income will ROCKET. A “Needed and Wanted Survey” as laid out below should be done by an org or group AT LEAST twice a year and again if the trend seems to be changing or a new area is disseminated to.

    … snip …

    ETHNIC SURVEYS

    Are conducted by the above same set format except the MAJOR TARGET is: To find out the ethnic values of acceptability of a country, area, city or community. This data is needed so that the orgs’ appearances, staff conduct, uniforms, promotion and symbols are in keeping with local Ethnic Values.

    As an example set of questions the ones below could be used:
    1. What do people like the most about the (country) society?
    2. What do people like the next to the most about the (country) society?
    3. What do people like the least about the (country) society?
    4. What do people hate or despise about the (country) society?
    NOTE: Questions 3 and 4 will lead to our knowing what propaganda can be used to most harm the enemy.

    EXCEPTIONS TO BROAD GENERAL SURVEY

    Broad general surveys as above are NOT done in the event an area or country has a strong, successful stable control point which has the area or country under control, i.e. a successful monarchy (not kooky irrational governments).

    In order for a control point to be successfully in control it must know its people and ethnics pretty well already. The ethnics of this area is what the control point says it is. The action here is not to do a public survey but to find out all about what the control point says the ethnics values are and what is needed and wanted. With this data you then use it and follow the trend the control point sets and back up the control point. We back up the upstats, providing what’s needed and wanted in keeping with ethnic values and therefore follow the winning line.

    If you use and apply this data you can’t lose!

    Lt. Cmdr. Diana Hubbard CS-6 for L. RON HUBBARD
    HCO POLICY LETTER OF 21 NOVEMBER 1969
    ETHNICS

    • Bobbysue Fontaine de la Tour

      We need new emeter cans and a few no-pest strips. The Honor Snack box is just about empty so please tell COB to come soon and collect the money and refill it.

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    Kaye Champagne saw two gigantic financial donors, thrown overboard the Freewinds, in a disciplinary action.
    What a thrill!

  • Bobbysue Fontaine de la Tour

    Everybody is just so darn earnest — current as well as former members. They are nothing if not sincere. And even with much hubris, they do indeed believe they’re serving mankind so it’s kind of hard to slap them with a really good effective quietus, but I’ll guarantee it can be done. So do what you must. Think squirrel busters and then think What Would Steve Bannon Do? Why he’d throw them alive into a hot tub filled with acid and watch as it eats the flesh from the bones and then eats the bones until there is nothing left but some gelatinous goo which he’ll then throw out back for the crows before he calls the landlord to say he needs to fix the damn thing ASAP because he has no idea what happened to it. And make sure you tell them the call may be recorded for quality control purposes and lay out some similar merciless scenario from which depths of depravity they cannot even begin to imagine. If their intrusive tone deaf polite inquiries into your family tree persist, tell them that your dear mother was in fact released from prison just this very day, and after a quick trip to the liquor store, she’ll be rat over ta meetcha cause we know who you are and where you stay. Ask if they can set something up for her with David Miscaivige, or if he handles his own schedule, then get a number.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Let me get this straight. Scientology pays no taxes on $200 million worth of property in Clearwater, and Miscavige wants to punish local businesses (who pay taxes) by boycotting them, or in scientology language, ordering all scientologists to disconnect from the businesses and owners.

    Miscavige’s insane temper tantrum is going to backfire bigly.