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Scientology’s Celebrity Whisperer: An inside account of life in the fame-obsessed church

[Quailynn McDaniel and Jenna Elfman]

Quailynn McDaniel was exactly what Scientology was looking for. The yoga instructor was fit and pretty, and her husband worked for a major software firm.

They had children. They were well liked. And they had money.

And that’s how she became one of the people chosen for a special role in the odd church that caters to the wealthy and famous.

“I was their ideal candidate to entertain celebrity families,” she says.

Now, after some 20 years as a member of the Church of Scientology, McDaniel and her husband have been cast out, their families ripped apart. And the celebrities too, have disconnected from them.

Still reeling from her recent departure, McDaniel, 43, agreed to tell us about her entire journey into and out of Scientology, and in particular about her years in a special role that we haven’t seen in this much detail before: The Scientologists whose place it is to pamper and protect the church’s most precious product, its celebrity endorsers.

 

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Originally from Redmond, Washington, Quailynn Panek was just 19 and starting at the University of Washington when she met Paul McDaniel at a Lollapalooza concert in the summer of 1992. They started dating, and she soon learned that Paul had grown up in the Church of Scientology.

“I knew nothing about it,” she tells us. “I couldn’t decide if they were health nuts or scientists. What the hell are you talking about, I thought.”

Quailynn’s parents had a family restaurant in Kirkland, and they weren’t happy that she moved in with Paul at such an early age. And things for the couple weren’t smooth at the start. Paul’s parents suggested to her that she take a Life Improvement Class at the local Scientology org, and go through the “Purification Rundown” — a sauna-and-vitamins regimen.

“I was into yoga, and I was fit. So I thought, why not do the Purif.”

Despite that rough start to their relationship, Quailynn and Paul got married and began to have children. Meanwhile, her parents broke up and her teenage brother Sean was having a hard time of it. He moved in with Quailynn and Paul for a time, and then served in the Marines. “I would send him care packages weekly on the ships or in the Middle East, enough for his whole platoon. Paul flew out to meet him on a destroyer and sailed back from Hawaii to San Diego. They were as close as brothers,” she says.

Quailynn and Paul ended up having four children, all daughters, and she asked her younger sister, Azurelynn, a student at the University of San Diego at the time, if she wanted to take a gap year and help with the children. And it was while her sister was living with her that everything changed.

“The Flag ‘World Tour’ came to town,” Quailynn says. “In a series of meetings with the Scientology ‘registrars,’ we were convinced to sell everything and move to Florida to the ‘Flag Land Base,’ with all of our children and my mother and sister.” For the McDaniels, it was a huge move up the Scientology ladder as they relocated in 1997 to Scientology’s “spiritual mecca” in the Gulf Coast town of Clearwater.

After they arrived, Quailynn’s sister joined Scientology’s Sea Organization, signing its billion-year contract, and was soon transferred to Int Base, the secretive international management headquarters near Hemet, California where Scientology leader David Miscavige makes his home.

For Quailynn and her mother, it was a proud moment and a sign that their family was quickly moving up the ladder of importance in the church. “We bought an incredible mansion in the Harbor Oaks neighborhood of Clearwater and we were screaming up the Bridge as well as the social ladder of Scientology,” Quailynn says. “Our donations were also flowing heavily at the time. We were the ‘It’ family. Paul and I both did all of our L’s [expensive upper-level courses], our kids were at Delphi [a private Scientology school]. Life could not have been better. We were Key Contributors to the Super Power Building at $100,000, we were IAS Patrons with Honors at another $100,000, we were giving to the planetary dissemination project, the ASI projects, and more.”

Besides “flowing” money to Scientology, the McDaniel family was also heavily invested in its social scene. They had no friends who weren’t Scientologists, Quailynn says. And their lives revolved around whatever was happening at the base at the time.

They took part, for example, when several thousand Scientologists turned out for a December 1997 demonstration against the local police chief, Sid Klein.

“We chanted, ‘Sid Klein, what’s your crime?’ with everyone else. It was about the Lisa McPherson case. We met other young Scientologists who were living in Clearwater at that demonstration,” she remembers.

McPherson was a Dallas Scientologist who had moved to Clearwater and then had experienced serious emotional problems while she was being “case supervised” by the leader of Scientology, David Miscavige. As we explained in our series about McPherson, it was potentially very embarrassing to Miscavige that a student he had guided personally would exhibit emotional problems, especially after, in the summer of 1995, he had declared her a “Clear,” someone who should have supreme self-control. In November, McPherson had a mental breakdown after a minor car accident and she was taken to a nearby hospital. Scientologists took her away from the hospital, saying they would care for her, and she was confined to the Fort Harrison Hotel, Scientology’s most important spiritual site. Seventeen days later, she died while Scientologists were rushing her to a hospital.

Lisa McPherson’s death didn’t become public news for another year, but by 1997 the Church of Scientology was being investigated for criminal charges over the incident, and the church decided to strike back by demonstrating against the local police chief, who had years earlier investigated the church.

One of the young Scientologists Quailynn says she met at the demonstration that day was Uri Minkoff, who soon became a close family friend.

We told her it struck us as somewhat ironic that she met Uri at a demonstration about Lisa McPherson, and she said she understood completely. It was Uri’s father, Dr. David Minkoff, a physician and Church of Scientology member, who was partly implicated in McPherson’s death. Minkoff had his medical license suspended for a year after it emerged that he had prescribed a sedative for McPherson at the request of the Scientologists caring for her at the hotel, even though he never actually examined her. If he had, perhaps he might have seen how bad her condition became. When Scientologists finally rushed McPherson from the hotel when it became clear that her condition was grave, they headed to the facility where Minkoff worked, bypassing closer hospitals, when she died along the way.

“We met at the rally, and we started hanging out with Uri and his family and we became patients at the family clinic,” Quailynn says. They also became friends with Uri’s sister, Rebecca Minkoff, who is known for the handbags she designs.

We asked Quailynn if Uri told her about the McPherson case. “Uri said that his dad had screwed up, and that his dad was in deep, deep trouble with the church,” she says. “Uri said his dad had put the church in real jeopardy, and was trying to get back into good standing.”

Through the Minkoffs, the McDaniels became absorbed in a large group of elite Scientologists in their 20s who lived in the Clearwater area. And through the Minkoffs, they also met their first celebrity couple, Jenna and Bodhi Elfman.

 

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[Jenna and Bodhi Elfman at the 2000 Battlefield Earth premiere.]

 
Bodhi Elfman had grown up in Scientology through his father, Richard Elfman, one of the founding members of a 1970s circus-and-music act known as the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo. In a previous story we reported that Spanky Taylor said she used to book dates for the act, which she characterized as a Scientology front that was used to reach college kids. Later, Richard turned over the act to his younger brother, Danny Elfman, who was not a Scientologist, and Oingo Boingo became known as a rock band without Scientology baggage.

In 1995, Bodhi married Jennifer Butala, who also became a Scientologist as well as a successful actress, known for her role as Dharma Freedom Finkelstein Montgomery in the 1997-2002 TV series Dharma and Greg.

“They were goofy and fun. They are so silly, it was just great to be around them,” Quailynn says.

“In Scientology they really feed your ego. You’re not a wog [a non-Scientologist], you’re special and better than normal humans,” Quailynn says. “We formed this elite group of friends. Jenna was working on Dharma and Greg at the time, and Bodhi was on course at Flag. So we would fly back and forth between Los Angeles and Clearwater with Bodhi. We even came up with a name for it, ‘Club Elite.’ And we had ‘Charlie Echo’ T-shirts made up. We went everywhere together — Paul and me, Bodhi and Jenna, and Uri Minkoff.

And part of being in the club was being judgmental of those on the outside.

“When I was on the set of Dharma and Greg one time with Jenna, she went off on Molly Ringwald,” Quailynn remembers. “Jenna said Molly is an SP [Suppressive Person, Scientology’s label for an enemy of the church] because of her lack of interest in Scientology. They had some kind of confrontation over Scientology on set and Jenna hated her ever since. Jenna said she was helping me out by letting me know that Molly was an SP.”

Speaking of Jenna’s ire, we asked Quailynn if she had ever talked to Jenna about her infamous 2006 incident, in which she was accused of yelling “What crimes have you committed? Have you raped a baby?” at a guy who was wearing a T-shirt that made fun of Scientology, and specifically Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

“No! I tried to avoid her wrath,” Quailynn says. “When a celeb gets mad at you they bring the full force of the church behind them,” she added. And she saw many cases where the church would do what it took to keep the celebrities happy.

“Do you remember when Jenna bought Madonna’s house in Los Angeles? When I was there Gold came over to wire the house for her,” Quailynn says, referring to Sea Org workers from Gold Base, another name for Int Base, the international management compound near Hemet, California. “The church sent their sound technicians to do this. At the time I didn’t think anything of it. But in hindsight, I realized that the church sent their employees, who are not able to accept gifts, to wire Jenna’s new house for audio and visual,” Quailynn remembers. “And she’s not even that big of a celebrity. Like seriously. The house apparently had too much of an old musty smell for Bodhi to live in it, so they built the new house where they now live.”

As they spent time with the Elfmans on Hollywood sets and at nightclubs, the McDaniels began to interact with other Scientology celebrities as well. “Kirstie Alley lived across the street from Jenna in the Hollywood Hills. So our kids and hers started hanging out.”

It was Bodhi, Quailynn says, who first introduced her to Tom Cruise in 2001 or 2002.

“Bodhi took me over to Tom Cruise’s house when he was dating Penelope Cruz. We went out to dinner — Tom, Penelope, Bodhi, and Jenna. They were talking about Scientology all night, trying to get Penelope on board,” she says. “They were trying to make Penelope comfortable with it, but it didn’t work.”

While she and her husband were hanging out with celebrities, their children were also being used as celebrity handlers, Quailynn says.

“They were used as handlers for Tom’s kids, Kirstie Alley’s kids, and also with John Travolta’s kids,” she says. “Kirstie rented a house down from ours in Clearwater. She would throw these wild parties. When Kirstie was on base and on course, they would call on us to keep her kids busy. Somebody was always needed to entertain the celebrity kids so the adults could focus on course.

“Our kids are still friends with Tom’s kids. We’d all go to the water park together when he was in town. When Tom was at Flag for services, on the weekend he’d rent out a water park and we’d have the place to ourselves,” she remembers.

“My youngest daughter and John’s daughter Ella Bleu were best friends. When John was on the base, I’d be called on to do things with his family.”

And one event in the year 2000 stands out in particular, she says. “I was at the premiere of Battlefield Earth, on the red carpet with these guys,” she says. “Jenna, Bodhi, Paul and I went to the premiere. We walked down the red carpet at the Chinese Theater. We got our free popcorn and watched that movie, in shock. The movie was such shit. Then at the after-party at the Author Services building, we went up to the private lounge. Bodhi said he wanted to introduce me to John Travolta. I was so excited, but I just asked him about how fun the set of Grease was to work on. I couldn’t even bring myself to kiss his ass at ASI with all the church execs after the movie. Everyone else kissed his ass for me.”

When Travolta made trips to the Flag Land Base for courses, Quailynn was sometimes called upon to help accommodate him. During one visit, she arranged for him to be given the use of a lavish home nearby.

“It was a huge mansion. My friend owned it. I got her to give him use of the mansion, free of charge. And we had to get the groundskeeper and the housekeeper on board, because Travolta is up all night and sleeps all day. So they had to black out every window in the house so he could sleep all day. And there were problems with Jett climbing the walls. They stayed there for a couple of weeks while John was getting serviced at the base. But it was very complicated and they never went back there again.”

Helping with the celebrities and their children “was very enchanting, for a while,” she says. It might be something as simple as making snacks for Bodhi Elfman when he wanted to get away from course work at the base for a while.

And she also got involved in the courses with celebrities as well. Quailynn says she would get “twinned” with celebrities to help them get through Scientology courses, particularly the ones involving drills with the E-meter, which are long and repetitive.

“The [Celebrity Centre] president’s office finds a good student they can trust to tutor a celebrity through the course. It’s the president’s office that specifically handles VIPs. I was working with the president’s office at Flag, and I was used as a personal tutor to help celebrities like Bodhi, Catherine Bell, and June Zwan,” Quailynn says. “I didn’t tutor Jenna on course. I was just her really close friend.”

We asked her to give us some specifics on what kind of tutoring she was doing with, say, actress Catherine Bell. How did that actually work?

Date-locate was a tough drill that I was particularly good at getting people through,” she says. “That’s where you use the E-meter to exactly pinpoint a date on one of your past lives, down to the second, in order to blow the charge and release your stuck attention. It starts with ‘orders of magnitude.’ It goes like this,” she says.

“The person with the date is silent while the assessment is done. I’d ask, Was the date billions of years ago? Millions of years ago? Thousands of years ago? Until you get a read on one,” she says, referring to the needle on the E-meter’s dial reacting. “Then you’d check that read with the person verbally. You’d write the date down on a hidden piece of paper. Once you get the order of magnitude, you keep checking down numbers until you get it to the second. This drill had to be successfully completed three times for a pass.”

As a particularly notable example of this kind of precision that Scientologists believe they are capable of with the use of the E-meter, L. Ron Hubbard claimed that in a past life he had visited heaven twice, and his first visit had occurred “43,891,832,611,177 years, 344 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes and 40 seconds from 10:02½ PM Daylight Greenwich Time May 9, 1963.” Such was the kind of thing Quailynn was helping celebrities determine.

“Catherine did the drill quickly and efficiently with no problem at all. She was a proficient student. Bodhi, on the other hand, needed endless special treatment. Like naps, special food, a special table in the course room. Jenna was tons of drama as well, crying and storming out of the course room, all kinds of antics. Catherine was just super fast and smooth, very easy to get along with,” Quailynn remembers.

The point of these exercises, she says, was to prepare these celebrities to use the E-meter alone on “solo-auditing,” which is done to chase off unseen entities attached to their bodies, known as “body thetans.” Scientologists learn the existence of these entities when they go through the level known as “OT 3,” and they continue to chase off body thetans through the next several levels, at tens of thousands of dollars each.

“On OT 7 you find out that you have thousands upon thousands of these body thetans stuck to you that are dormant. You are the only one who can wake them up and get them to leave. There are far too many for a professional auditor to handle them all. So you train up on OT 6. The entire OT 6 is to train you so you can audit yourself solo on OT 7. So I trained these celebrities so they could use the meter to audit themselves at home.”

During all this time that she was helping these celebrities doing those metering exercises, did they ever remark on the bizarre idea of chasing away invisible body thetans?

“Not at all. God forbid you ever even had such a thought. Remember, we were using the meter constantly on each other, which is basically like a lie detector. It reads on your thoughts, we believed. If we even thought something bad, we would find ourselves in Ethics. That’s scary shit. I mean, it’s nuts. You get your ass handed to you if you even think something critical, much less mention it.”

In other words, although there were special auditing rooms, and special staff that catered to celebrities to keep them away from the non-celebrities, the vaunted actors and actresses and other wealthy VIPs were still doing the actual (and bizarre) coursework of upper-level Scientology, and they were subject to the same harrowing ethics rules that require brutal interrogations and huge expenditures.

The celebrities, she assured us, are true believers.

 

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[The McDaniels paid to open a Scientology mission on the second floor over an Irish pub in Tampa. Quailynn presides over the grand opening.]

 
Quailynn says she got a surprise from Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis after she and Paul went to New Orleans for a short vacation.

“This was before Katrina. We went down there and we went to the bars,” she says. “When we got back, Tommy Davis told us that because we had gone to New Orleans and spent time in the clubs, we didn’t qualify anymore to spend time with Tom Cruise. Tom was so ‘pure’ he had never even been to a strip club, Tommy said. And he seemed to believe it,” she says. “By going to New Orleans, we had tainted ourselves.”

In a meeting held at the Sandcastle Hotel, part of the Flag base, Quailynn and her husband were told how they could make up the damage.

“They wanted us to open up a Scientology mission in Hyde Park, in Tampa. Which I did do. We probably spent $100,000. With a friend we bought the ‘mission package,’ and they gave it to me to run it.”

Scientology missions are satellite offices that are intended to bring new people into the organization and begin them up the “Bridge to Total Freedom” with some introductory courses. Mission holders are paid commissions on the people they bring in and then ultimately send to the larger “orgs,” where the more expensive courses are given. Quailynn says she ran her mission for about a year with a staff of three before her employees were recruited away by the larger Tampa org. “I was left with an empty building and books and with no one to run it. I cleared everything out and put the books in storage,” she says, and she explains to us how dicey that situation was when she shuttered the place, in 2006. “The fact that I had closed a mission? It was enough to get me declared.”

If the church decided to declare Quailynn a “suppressive person” — an enemy of the church — every other Scientologist who wanted to remain in good standing would have to “disconnect” from her, including the members of her own family. But she managed to avoid that fate, at least at that point.

“I just stuck up for myself. I had four kids, and I was on course, my hands were full, I told them. They backed down, but it haunted me for a long time,” she says. “As late as 2009 the Tampa org said they were going to start an ethics action on us because I’d shut down a mission.”

She could certainly claim to be dedicated to her coursework. On vacations, for example, she would take her Scientology work with her, trying never to fall behind. She told us about a remarkable example of that.

After his discharge from the Marines, Quailynn’s younger brother Sean had joined Oregon’s forestry fire service. “He was lonely. He came down to live with me in Florida,” she says. Her husband Paul was developing software for mobile phones in Texas, and he would fly back to Florida every other day so he could keep up on his own Scientology coursework at Flag. While Paul was flying back and forth, Quailynn and her brother decided to take a memorable driving trip to Maine, picking up more friends in New York along the way. “I was auditing on OT 7 at the time, which posed a minor concern for me. I solo audited in hotel bathrooms, and even once in an abandoned caboose while Sean watched the kids. We were managing six kids under the age of 14 together. The trip lasted five weeks,” she says.

Sean later had a chance to join the forestry fire service in Florida, but instead he joined the Scientology org staff in Tampa. In 2006, he married a Scientologist.

And around that time, Quailynn says, things really started to change for her in Scientology.

“David Miscavige really started to escalate the regging,” she says, using a Scientology term for the way “registrars” put pressure on members to make donations and pay ahead of time for expensive levels. “And the Ethics department began heavily sec-checking Paul and then pitting the two of us against each other.”

Security checking is a form of brutal interrogations that Scientologists regularly endure. A Scientologist is put on the E-meter — which they believe can read their thoughts — and has to answer questions for hours over several days about their most intimate private lives as a way to check their loyalty to the church.

“The Basics packages were coming out, and they were telling us we had to come up with $80,000 for it. And they would keep you in the ethics office until you came up with it,” she says. Everyone was being turned into hard-sell shock troops for the new set of books and recorded lectures coming out in 2007 and every Scientologist was expected to buy at about $3,000 a set. Adding to the surreality of it was that the L. Ron Hubbard books and lectures in the new “Basics” set were ones that most longtime Scientologists already had copies of. But Scientology leader David Miscavige had issued a new printing of them, and he claimed that each book had been improved after finding “transcription errors” in the originals. For many Scientologists, even their heavy conditioning didn’t prevent them from seeing it as a cynical cash grab by Miscavige.

“It was so disenchanting. Everywhere you turned, you were getting beat up,” Quailynn says. “And they would question us separately and tried to get us against each other as a way to leverage money from us. You’d be locked in a room with people screaming at you. Your MAA [Master-at-Arms, an ethics officer], your auditor, your case supervisor. And they would know how much room you had left on your credit card limits and they would ask for it. I still don’t know how they got that information,” she says.

In 2007, feeling more and more disillusioned by the Basics push, the McDaniels decided to leave Flag and move back to Seattle. “We were focusing more on our careers and our kids, and less on Scientology and the celebrities,” Quailynn says. “We sold everything. And we said goodbye to my brother Sean and his wife, and off we went.”

Still, they remained very close to the Elfmans, and in 2007, they were with Jenna and Bodhi as the celebrity couple had their first child.

Quailynn shared with us a photo of the four of them together, with Jenna very pregnant, as they prepared for the big day.

 

 
The McDaniels were with the Elfmans in the hospital as their son was born. To prove to us how close they were, Quailynn showed us a photo of Bodhi as he met his newborn son for the first time in the hospital — but we’re not going to show it out of respect for the little boy’s privacy.

We can show you the balloon arrangement that David Miscavige sent to the hospital that day.

 

 

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By 2009, Quailynn had finally completed one of Scientology’s most difficult courses to finish, OT 7. It can take years to complete, and it’s very expensive — a typical member may spend $50,000 to $75,000 to get through it.

Her husband Paul was still stalled on OT 7, but now that they were back in Seattle, he was focused on his work at a software company. He encouraged her to spend the money to take the next step, OT 8, while he continued to focus on his career.

OT 8, the highest level on Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom,” is available only in one place — on the private cruise ship the Freewinds, which Scientology operates in the Caribbean.

But getting there was only the beginning. You can’t begin a new level until you pass through a series of security checks, looking for any reason why you might not be ready to take on the new material. Before even going to the ship, Quailynn had to get through eight “intensives” of the False Purpose Rundown, a difficult interrogation that involves hundreds of questions asked repeatedly. Auditing and sec checking is sold in 12.5-hour packages called “intensives.” (Yes, Scientologists pay to be interrogated.) And intensives at this level cost about $10,000 each.

“On the ship, I had to do another intensive of sec checking. Then they gave me a tailored False Purpose Rundown, which I got through. Then they needed to recheck 400 confessional questions. And by then, I had used up all my money,” she says. “Three more days were spent reading my husband Paul’s ethics folders to review how bad he was.”

Repeatedly, she says, Scientology officials told her that her best course of action would be to divorce Paul and get control of his money. She refused. “And then, they told me I need more sec checking. I went to my room and I didn’t know what to think. I needed to ask Paul for another $10,000 for an additional intensive of sec checks.”

And while she was being hit up for more sec checking, she was still being hit up for more donations.

“They said to me, ‘We see that your husband has a retirement fund.’ They somehow knew that it had $250,000 in it, and they wanted me to donate that. I thought, what, you want me to steal from my husband to give to you?”

It was too much, she says. “I lost my shit. All of a sudden, I had this moment of clarity — it was all about the money, it wasn’t about my well-being.”

After some 17 years in Scientology, Quailynn suddenly and immediately had a realization: She was done. “I cried the whole night as my world fell apart. I knew there was no way out. Security held my passport, the boat was docked in Cartagena, Colombia and was protected by multiple armed guards. I thought of throwing my suitcase overboard and swimming to shore. I knew I could lose everything: my husband, my kids, the house, all my friends and family,” she says. “So I decided to lie.”

Quailynn composed herself, and told the ethics officers that she was on board with their plan. “I told them I had to go home to get that money. I said I’d get the money and come back. And I was convincing enough that they let me go.”

She flew home, but by the time she got there, things were all wrong.

“I don’t know what happened while I was gone. Paul was so mad at me, he wouldn’t pick me up at the airport,” she says. While she had been on the ship, her husband had moved out of the house and had taken their children with him.

“He told my mom that we were divorcing. I don’t know what the church had been telling him while I was gone, but they had tried to break us up numerous times.”

It was part of the Scientology method: To gain leverage over a member, you pitted them against their own loved ones. Divide, conquer, and cash in the savings account.

“What we’re realizing now is that Scientology is a really dangerous addiction. But it took us a few years to figure it out.”

Quailynn says she managed to convince her husband that he had been lied to, and that they should stay together. And like many other Scientologists who have that moment of clarity and see it for what it is, her new frame of mind didn’t immediately turn into action. She pulled back from Scientology, but not enough to raise many red flags. She couldn’t risk her relationship with Paul and her daughters by rebelling openly against the church.

Over the next four years, from 2009 to 2013, they still made trips from Seattle to Clearwater, and they still interacted with the celebrities. “But it was waning,” she says.

And then, on Valentine’s Day 2013, they were in Zurich for a vacation. On the way, Quailynn had spotted a copy of Lawrence Wright’s new book, Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief for sale in an airport newsstand and picked it up.

“Valentine’s night in Zurich it was snowing and we stayed in and read that book.” The lengthy history of Scientology recounted its founding by L. Ron Hubbard, but also things about its current celebrities, and Scientology’s obsession with Hollywood — things that Quailynn and Paul had experienced for themselves.

“After we had read it, Paul said to me, ‘This is all true.’ And he said, ‘OK. I’m out.’ And that’s when I knew I really had my marriage back.”

But leaving Scientology is not easy. Not when you were at one time the ‘It’ couple, and you had connections that were so close to Scientology’s celebrities. Paul and Quailynn were finally, truly, done with Scientology. But now things were going to get ugly.

 

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By the time the McDaniels had their night with Going Clear in 2013, their Scientology friends had been spying on them and submitting reports about them for nearly four years.

Such documents are called “Knowledge Reports” in Scientology. In 2009, a friend of Paul’s had submitted one, telling the Ethics officers at Scientology what he could ascertain about Paul and Quailynn’s attitudes about their progress on the upper levels of the Bridge through conversations with Paul.

He reported that Paul worried about Quailynn going to the ship to do OT 8 because, according to the friend, Paul worried that Quailynn “wouldn’t be fun anymore.”

(Scientologists believe if they can finish the entire Bridge, including OT 8, they will have the power to leave their bodies at will, and have control over matter, energy, space, and time with just the power of their minds.)

Two days later, another friend submitted a Knowledge Report, dishing on what she’d seen when she had spent time with Quailynn during a business trip to New York. She thought Quailynn had gotten too friendly with a British man they had met in a nightclub, and it shocked her that when they got home, Paul seemed to encourage the flirtation.

It was just the first of several Knowledge Reports submitted over the next four years by friends who suggested that the McDaniels were drinking too much, partying too often, and spending suspicious amounts of time with other attractive young people. One of the Knowledge Report writers, a business associate of Paul’s, called their parents, who were also concerned that the McDaniels seemed to be carrying on in a scandalous fashion.

“In Scientology there’s no alcohol. So when we started drinking wine after leaving, other people we knew weren’t used to seeing it,” Quailynn tells us. “We were meeting new people, making new friends, socializing outside the church and doing things that normal people do. But it was shocking for some people still in church, and to Paul’s parents. But no one ever came to us and said, we’re worried about you. No one ever asked, are you OK? Instead, they called each other, wrote these KRs, and that’s what got us comm ev’d.”

And then, in 2013, Paul committed an overt act that really got them into hot water: He gave a Facebook “like” to a page created by Leah Remini, the actress who that year defected from Scientology.

“Paul liked Leah’s Facebook page, but then he unliked it when he realized it would get him in trouble — that was his big crime,” Quailynn says.

Apparently shocked and saddened that Paul would do such a thing, Bodhi Elfman wrote an email to Paul on September 5, 2013, telling him that their friendship was over.

Dear Paul,

After some time to think things over, I don’t really think we need another conversation.

Here are my thoughts. You wrote and spoke quite a bit about how you are powers for good, only want to help people and be a good guy. I’m glad you feel this way, though I’m sorry to say your actions are contrary.

You posted on FB in support and gave props to someone who publicly left the Church. Then claimed you don’t really know her or know the scene, yet you did know she’d left the Church. Then posted again that you are in support of “whistle-blowers”, implying that there was cause to “whistle-blow” against the Church. Those posts were against what is stated in the Suppressive Acts policies and against how LRH says to handle one’s disputes.

I would rather not associate with those who support “whistle blowing” or investigations outside of HCO/proper channels, or criticisms of Scientology or with someone who avoids auditing.

I genuinely wish you and your family well and I, with all my heart, hope you go to Flag very soon, get on the cans and find harmony.

This is a private email for you and your wife only. Please respect that.

Until then, let’s please not communicate anymore.

Bodhi

(We emailed Bodhi, asking him to explain the thinking behind this “disconnection” message, that he could so easily turn away from such a longtime and trusted friend. We’ll let you know if he responds.)

After the church had gathered reports for several years, in September 2015 the McDaniels were told to report for Scientology’s version of a sort of court martial, which is called a “committee of evidence,” or “comm ev” for short.

By that time, they knew that they were getting close to being declared suppressive. Two other Scientology couples who were close friends of theirs, Cisco executive Rowan Trollope and his wife Stephanie, and software developer Bill Feeley and his wife Sherri, had been declared SPs, and the McDaniels were being pressured to cut off ties with them.

“In 2015, Paul and I were called in to the Seattle org to read the Trollope and Feeley declare orders,” she says. “But I made it clear that I wasn’t doing to disconnect from any of them.”

As a result, in September, they were told to come down for their own comm ev.

“I got on the phone with the ethics guy who would be doing the comm ev. I told him, ‘I’m not going down there to get mind-fucked by another 18-year-old kid’,” she says.

Instead, Paul went on his own, and was shown the Knowledge Reports that the church had been collecting about them for years. He was allowed to bring some of them back to Quailynn, which is how we got to see them. Others were held back.

Still refusing to disconnect from the Trollopes and the Feeleys, in September 2015 the McDaniels were also declared Suppressive Persons. As a result, her brother Sean, who is still in Clearwater and married to a Scientologist, and Quailynn’s sister Azurelynn, who is still in the Sea Organization, immediately cut off all ties to her, as did members of Paul’s family.

 

 
More than a year later, they continue to deal with the fallout of having left the church.

“My mom has lived with me for almost 20 years now. She’s disabled and in pain. My sister, I found out, has been calling my mom and has been trying to arrange her kidnapping to take her to Clearwater because we’re suppressive people,” Quailynn says.

“At one point I pulled the phone away from my mom, and I could hear my sister trying to get her to go to the airport. My sister can’t actually come here to my house because we’re SPs,” she says. “My mom’s terrified. I’ve had to fight private investigators watching us. I’ve had to fight hacking. And now I have to fight a kidnapping?”

It was only recently that Quailynn could bring herself to read the “Knowledge Reports” that Paul had brought home from the comm ev in 2015.

“It was too painful for me. I felt completely betrayed by my brother, my sister, my church friends and business partners. As you can see from the reports all the things written about us were not discussed with us prior to the comm ev. We were just attacked.”

Her friends wrote the reports, she says, because they were being denied entry onto Scientology’s highest level — OT 8 — unless they did so.

“I understood. But I also never did the same thing myself. Instead, I checked out, unwilling to throw my friends and husband under the bus. I’d rather fall from grace myself and accept those consequences,” Quailynn says. “My husband and I are now in therapy. But it’s still hard for us. Really hard. I realize coming out is dangerous. But people have to take a stand. The abuse must end.”

We asked her if there was still a part of her that missed the life of a celebrity handler, when they were the “It” family in Clearwater, and were having play dates at water parks with Tom Cruise, or running e-meter drills with Catherine Bell, or were in the hospital to see the birth of Jenna and Bodhi’s first child.

“Not at all,” she says. “I saw friends of the celebrities destroyed by the church if anything ever went wrong. It was terrifying and yet electrifying at the same time. I just want to live a normal life, do things I actually just enjoy, and learn to be human and raise my daughters to be as successful as they can be and in a rational way.”

She does admit that her husband Paul has found it hard to be separated from his former friends, including Bodhi Elfman.

“He took it harder than I did,” she says.

“We are trying to undo the damage the church caused us. It’s incredibly challenging but with the help we’ve received from other victims banding together, I think we have hope.”

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,672 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,269 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,309 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,021 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 488 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,606 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,776 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,096 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,071 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 427 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,729 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 836 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,238 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,111 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 692 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,197 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,441 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,550 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on February 23, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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  • Jefferson Hawkins

    Paul and Quailynn, thank you so much for having the courage to tell your story. I know how hard it is to leave and to start a new life, and I wish you all the best. If you are ever in Portland, please look me up.

    • Joe

      Every time I see your name now, I pronounce it in my mind the way Leah Remini pronounces it.

    • gtsix

      If you are ever in Portland, please look me up.

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      • John Prince

        Is the Dandylion Pub still there in NW Portland? I used to go See Curtis Salgado there on Wednesday
        nights 🎸🎤

    • Paul McDaniel

      This is quailynn, i want to thank you for caring and extending you hospitality. Thank you for your courage as well. Portland this spring sounds lovely

      • MissCandle

        Have you read Counterfeit Dreams by Jefferson Hawkins yet? I highly recommend it.
        Good luck to you and your family.

  • Noesis

    “…It was too much, she says. “I lost my shit. All of a sudden, I had this moment of clarity — it was all about the money, it wasn’t about my well-being…”

    Yes – the ultimate cog that allows many public Scientologists to understand what was happening to them – for real – and to then walk away from their tormentors, instead of continuing to placate them.

  • nottrue
    • Jeb Burton

      Well written fable. When he’s not drunk he’s a half assed good storyteller. Too bad everything in that story is all lies! Lying leader of the ASC.

      • Username

        So what part of the story did you find untrue? Maybe all ex- scientologists who tell their stories should undergo a lie detector test in next season of Leah’s show. But I guess you would just say that was staged. Oh well, just stay down in your rabbit hole. Ignorance is bliss.

        • daisy

          I thought he was trying to be funny this time.

        • Paul McDaniel

          thats funny coming from someone that doesnt even share his name. enjoy your rabbit hole and you life through observation.

      • Qbird

        Bwahahaha Jeb, you ass! I <3 you.

      • Missionary Kid

        How kind of you, Jeb.

      • Dylan

        (Rimshot)

        • Username

          … or rimless zero… whatever… your call

      • “When he’s not drunk he’s a half assed good storyteller. ”
        And when he’s drunk, he’s better.
        (A poor variation on “When she was good, she was very good. But when she was bad she was better.”)

      • Paul McDaniel

        this is quailynn. i couldnt figure out how to log in as myself so i hyjacked pauls account. Tony is great. you have no idea the amount of material i threw at him.

        • OOkpik

          Quailynn, YOU ROCK! <3

        • Ella Raitch

          (just so you know Jeb is being sarcastic here…he’s really quite delightful and supportive)

  • Noesis

    Tony – a superb article.

    The story conveys the larger mechanisms of attraction, capture, manipulation, treachery and tragedy that are the common pattern for thousands of people that have been through the Scientology grist mill…and it does so through the real life events of likeable individuals that were sincere about what they thought they were doing in the church.

    Thanks for this great piece of journalism.

  • Len Zinberg

    Wow!
    Your post today Is a really excellent piece of first-rate journalism.
    There’s no one who captures the ecstasy and the agony of the Scientology experience providing context and meaning as well as you.
    Thanks, Tony.

    • Yeah, usually I would say don’t give him a big head, but this was pretty good.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    They may not serve at tables in New Orleans, so we come to the bar. New Orleans can do without Tom Cruise.
    IT WOULDN’T BE FUN ANYMORE.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmt3KPiqH5I

    • John Prince

      Louisiana Gator Boys;Best Band ever assembled 🎸🎹🎷🎤🎼🎺

      • Glen

        A truly amazing assemblage of talent but….if we are talking Louisiana, give me the Neville Brothers or Clifton Chenier.

        • John Prince

          Don’t know Clifton Chenier but the Neville Brothers WERE a TOP Combo, indeed! !!

          • Glen

            Clifton Chenier, the king of Zydeco.

  • joan nieman

    Wow! What a story this morning. The greed of this organization is horrendous and the manipulating of people is abhorrent. Scientology is always worse than you think.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      It was a good story, but could have used a car chase, or a motorcycle chase, or something. Or someone shooting at someone from a helicopter – that would have been cool.

      • Ben Franklin

        I don’t think there are many, if any, Scientology escape stories that can top the escape of Don Jason.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdo13XhAKyc

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          He does his own stunts 🙂

        • gtsix

          Yeah, that was a great escape.

          The “terminator” line made my eyes roll hard.

        • nunyabidnes

          The story Don Jason told was the first I had ever heard of Scientology. I have been a rabid Scientology watcher ever since. To all you former-bots lurking here, please tell your story so you can help people understand why Scientology is so bad. Most people would not believe it unless they read a story like this one today or watch a video like Don Jason’s story.

  • John Prince

    Iv’e said it before but I’m compelled to repeat myself; Hollywood has ALWAYS been a cesspool of decadence & narcissism, Founded and Ruled by Pedophiles and Perverts of every degenerate Nature You can imagine (some You don’t want to imagine)..
    If You think about it for a minute,
    hubbard & Hollywood were made for each other 😎

    • Jimmy3

      Except for Tom Hanks, of course.

      • John Prince

        Yes, there ARE Exceptions Like Tom Hanks, Clint Eastwood and so on..

      • Username

        I think if Tom Hanks ever became a scientologists, I would start to believe the apocalypse had begun.

    • flyonthewall

      I don’t think that’s fair. Unless you grew up in a bubble some of your fondest childhood memories are going to be movies you watched. Without Hollywood there would be a huge cultural void in America and worldwide really since everyone watches American movies.

      It’s a weird mix of business and art, so in that environment you’re going to get some colorful characters.

      • Qbird

        You ever see Amy Berg’s documentary, “An Open Secret”, Fly?

      • John Prince

        You HAVE to admit though, Fly, that tom crooze’s “super-being attitude is typical of the “dream factory” and it’s common knowledge what “sacrifices” 《the casting Couch 👅》wanna-be’s are willing to make to promote their “careers” ..Hell,they’ll even join scientology if they believe it will land them a part somewhere.
        They just don’t make ’em like Gregory Peck and those Guys anymore 😕

        • gtsix

          They just don’t make ’em like Gregory Peck and those Guys anymore

          “They” never did. Illusions are illusions.

          • John Prince

            O.k. you reigned me in, there. .
            a tip-a-the-hat TO Ya! 🎩

        • John Prince

          ..besides, l’m probably twice Your age and although I most certainly did not grow up in a bubble, some of MY fondest memories were “real-life scenes” where I played at least a supporting, if not the Lead Role in 😎”you know what i mean, right? (I’m guessing at Your age ‘cuz I saw a pic of You with Master O once)

    • Juicer77

      Have a Snickers.

      • John Prince

        Thanks Juice, I feel better now!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Article that questions whether TC will leave scientoology to reunite with Suri. And there’s a quote by some guy called Ortega at the end:

    http://www.inquisitr.com/4006437/tom-cruise-is-reportedly-ready-to-reunite-with-suri-will-he-leave-scientology/

    • Mick Roberts

      Last sentence: “Maybe now that his mother is gone, Tom Cruise will break the rule of Scientology and reunite with Suri.”

      I didn’t think about that when I heard the sad news of his mother passing, but it could make sense. I’ve often wanted to ask parents of children who have disconnected from their own parents (like the daughters of Mike Rinder and Bernie Headley, for example) how they would feel if one day their own child decided to disconnect from them.

      Perhaps losing his mother made him think about his own mortality and how he wishes for his own child to remember him when he passes. Just a theory, but it seems at least plausible that the sad passing of his mother could have woken something up in him as it relates to his own daughter.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Sometimes you need a life altering event to wake up.

        ETA: unfortunately :-/

      • Robert Eckert

        But it doesn’t sound as if they have any source telling them that such a thing has actually happened, just speculation about how they would feel in his place, which may be an underestimation of how weird his psychology really is.

  • The re-purposing of Scientology properties has begun.
    My prediction of Ideal Orgs becoming day spas is nearer fruition.
    “Mai Bistro opening in former Scientology building”
    “The space, located at 1826 E. Colonial Drive [GMap], was once the home of the Church of Scientology so the owners have also had to file for a Change of Use permit to change it from church to restaurant. The entire interior will be renovated, including the kitchen, plumbing, drainage, new gas line, and new flooring.”
    http://bungalower.com/2017/02/22/mai-bistro-opening-former-scientology-building/

    • Juicer77

      Sounds delish! They had better check for cameras and audio recording devices during the reno.

      • Indeed. I’m sure they will.
        I would go for the broiled sparrow alone.
        Yeah, that’s a thing.
        At least at the Vietnamese restaurant near me.

        • Juicer77

          Statement redacted.

          • No.
            They probably don’t serve it.
            Let’s support immigrants (to the US….), and especially those who supplant the world’s most sinister scam.

  • Simi Valley

    I’d blow a horse to see Jenna out of the cult.

    • No you wouldn’t, but it was kinda funny.
      She is one I have no interest in seeing blow.
      The cult or a horse.

      • daisy

        I agree , I do not think I would be fond of her non-scientology personality either. Some people like Grant Douche , KA , and TC I would like in when it all comes apart.

        • DITTO.
          TRITTO.
          Yeah, like you say, some are assholes even without the cult.

        • And I just have to add (because I’m an asshole 47% of the time), how much I admire the wisdom of those, like you, in this instance, who agree with me.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Does she even have a non-scientology personality? That’s what I wonder about some of these celeb lifers.

          And I would like to add Danny Fucking Masterson to the list of, “Nah, we’re good, you can keep ’em.”

    • Liberated

      lol

  • sizzle8

    Tony O, Thanks for this amazing story!

  • Mick Roberts

    (We emailed Bodhi, asking him to explain the thinking behind this
    “disconnection” message, that he could so easily turn away from such a
    longtime and trusted friend. We’ll let you know if he responds.)

    Sounds good, but I doubt anyone will be holding their breath on the hope that he will respond to you Tony. After all, downtown Clearwater lost their shit the other day when they heard a rumor (untrue) that you were in town.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s a running joke. He always says that when he contacts the Church for comment.

      • Mick Roberts

        Still relatively new here, but I figured as much. Mostly I just wanted to again mention the Clearwater Scientologists freaking out the other day.

        • Jimmy3

          Yeah, that was hilarious. Very first time in history that a ghost town was evacuated.

          • Ben Franklin

            With all the amount of OTs in that city, I am still amazed that not even one OT in Clearwater could use their amazing powers to determine whether Tony was really in Town. It looks like when they really need to put their ability exteriorize to good use, they don’t.

          • MarcabExpat

            Nope, not the first! They cleared out for his visit with Paulette too 🙂

      • Tony Ortega

        It’s not a joke, it’s true! If he gets back to me I will add his response, truly.

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t know, man. I heard he cancelled his Bunker subscription.

        • flyonthewall

          hey did you see Girlfriend’s Day on Netflix? Bob Odenkirk stars and created it etc. Is really good. Funny and sad. I call it fuddy

          • Tony Ortega

            I did. I guess that’s why he was there that day, to promote the show.

            I thought it was very funny in parts, but overall didn’t really keep me riveted.

            • flyonthewall

              I can see that. I got a kick out of the absurdity of the plot. Ooo the holy grail of greeting cards! O.o

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Thank you for sharing your story, Quailynn. Another devastating story of a family being destroyed. I pray that you get your family back soon.

  • Mick Roberts

    Just finished reading it all, and it’s well worth the read. Another truly fascinating story (perhaps this is your next book to write Tony). My favorite part, similar to my favorite parts in all stories when people leave this mental prison, was this:

    It was too much, she says. “I lost my shit. All of a sudden, I had this moment of clarity — it was all about the money, it wasn’t about my well-being.”

    The Epiphany…..my favorite part of all of these stories.

    • Juicer77

      The wake-up moment is great, but I always feel a sinking of the heart. There’s always an “and then….” 🙁

      • Mick Roberts

        Yes, things start getting crazy with how the church responds after that, especially the heart-breaking disconnections and the Fair Gaming that start taking place.

        But it’s also a huge moment when someone finally wakes up, takes control of their own life, and starts to take their first step on the REAL “Bridge to Total Freedom”.

        • Juicer77

          True. I remember feeling like that waking after spinal surgery. I knew the pain was coming but kept telling myself it would all be good in a few months. And it was.

      • I continue to be criticized for being astounded at all the “I’m outta here” moments that aren’t quite “outta here”.
        I do understand, but its still astounding.
        The brainwashing is deep.

        • Juicer77

          I was thinking of the inevitable Co$ retribution, but you’re right. There will be self-doubt and moments of relapse.

          • Seemingly even more relapses than heroin.
            (Anecdotal)

  • Gflded

    Sigh…been tryin to finish “Blown for Good” all week. I just can not pull myself away from this amazing place. The articles are riveting. All you brave, kind, intelligent peeps are amazing also. Not only that, but every time a knew name pops up in the book I, of course, need to find out more info about them…such an incredible rabbit hole $cn is..😳. I can not express enuf how proud I am of ya’ll!
    Off to try and finish the book…

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      It’s a good book, but could have used a car chase, or a motorcycle chase, or something… Oh, wait… Never mind.

      • Gflded

        😂😂😂😂

    • flyonthewall

      I think the Headleys are going to be at Howdycon. You should go and get your book signed

      • Observer

        YOU should go and get YOUR book signed.

        • flyonthewall

          Nope. I’m gonna send my book to you so you can get it signed for me! Sucker

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            If you’re not going, then I’m not going.

            • flyonthewall

              if you don’t go then who will walk around with their butt hanging out and a lamp shade on their head?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I’m sure Shorpy will step up to the task.

            • flyonthewall

              ok but only if you make a rubber mold of your butt and send it to Shorpy so he can wear it in place of his real butt

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Why? Is his butt hideous? I’ve never seen it – you probably have.

            • flyonthewall

              I make it my business to see everyone’s butt, so what of it?

            • Rasha

              o.O

            • flyonthewall

              i’m kind of a doctor

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Does that pick-up line ever work?

            • flyonthewall

              I only used it once and yes it worked. Btw, Flylady thinks I’m a doctor so try to keep it under you hat, thnx

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Will do, Doctor!

            • There is nothing wrong with that.
              Or there is everything wrong with that.

            • Amy Schumer did a real life interview where she asked about sexting.
              The woman said, “Well, yes, I’ve done it.”
              Amy asked, “Have you sent a picture of your butthole?”
              “Well,no!”, was the expected indignant answer.
              “Have you ever seen your buttlole?” Amy asked…..I can’t find the right adverb here….fecklessly?….
              “No!”, the response.
              Amy’s retort…..wait for it….savor it….save it for later….
              “My advice is…..don’t look.”
              I fell in love with Amy Schumer at that moment.

            • Betty

              Butt we have all seen yours.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              And once you’ve seen it, you can’t unsee it. I need to think about making a new video soon *thinking hard*

            • Kestrel

              Is there a small lake near you that isn’t frozen over?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I haven’t checked in the last weeks. It’s been snowing here recently, but it’s also been above freezing point for a few days, so there may be some open water somewhere. It’s still freckin’ cold in the water here though *shivers*

            • Ha! you made this relevant: Tonk!
              Everyone wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads.
              Where was I? I forgot
              The point that I was making
              I said if I was smart that I would
              Save up for a piece of string
              And a rock to wind the string around
              Everybody wants a rock
              To wind a piece of string around
              Everybody wants a rock
              To wind a piece of string around
              Throw the crib door wide
              Let the people crawl inside
              Someone in this town
              Is trying to burn the playhouse down

              They want to stop the ones who want
              A rock to wind a string around
              But everybody wants a rock
              To wind a piece of string around
              If I were a carpenter I’d
              Hammer on my piglet, I’d
              Collect the seven dollars and I’d
              Buy a big prosthetic forehead
              And wear it on my real head
              Everybody wants prosthetic
              Foreheads on their real heads
              Everybody wants prosthetic
              Foreheads on their real heads
              Throw the crib door wide
              Let the people crawl inside
              Someone in this town
              Is trying to burn the playhouse down
              They want to stop the ones who want
              Prosthetic foreheads on their heads
              But everybody wants prosthetic
              Foreheads on their real heads
              Throw the crib door wide
              Let the people crawl inside
              Someone in this town
              Is trying to burn the foreheads down
              They want to stop the ones who want
              A rock to wind a string around
              But everybody wants a rock
              To wind a piece of string around

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp8znvfYbow

            • No. Just no.
              I shall skip around with a lamp shade on my butt and my head hanging out.
              But that’s as far as I will go.
              And as far as the law allows.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              That’ll be the first time you bow to the Establishment. I am disappoint.

            • If it weren’t for disappointments I wouldn’t have any appointments.
              (Yeah, They Might Be Giants quote)

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Lol.

            • Like the boy who told his dad he had sex with his teacher, to his dad’s temporary pride, I say, “Yes, but my butt’s still sore.”

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              O.o

            • Kestrel

              I have copies of the Cleveland Plain Dealer that has a photo of that event. I wonder if Johnny Tank will autograph it for me.

          • Observer

            I won’t do it. Sucker!

            • flyonthewall

              what if it was my dying wish?

            • Observer

              If you were dying, why would you bother?

            • flyonthewall

              cuz there’s always a chance I could make a miraculous recovery?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Nope, we’re all dying. No one lives for ever.

            • Observer

              Then it would be your I Think I’m Going to Die But Maybe I Won’t wish.

            • flyonthewall

              so you’ll do it!? Great! Thnx Obs, you’re the best

            • Observer

              Tricksy fly

            • Too deep.
              We are all dying.
              So why do we bother?

            • Observer

              Some of us are dying more slowly than others.

            • Compared to what?
              Try to make it real.
              Compared to what.
              Goddam it now.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzvlivbptXk

            • Observer

              Compared to the ones who are dying faster.

            • Slow/fast.
              Trying to understand the difference.
              As you define it.
              Einstein purportedly made a distinction between sexual ecstasy and burning one’s hand on the stove.
              But certainly the imminent prospect of death is also a factor.

      • Gflded

        That would be somethin..I teach summer school so that is not possible.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome! Let us know what you think once you’ve finished! Real-life breaks are good, too. 😉

      • Gflded

        Thanx Juicer! I have read almost all..have not read the Blue Sky one..can’t remember what the full name is..Beyond Belief was so heartbreaking

  • sizzle8

    This little bit about Tommy Davis is so classic Tommy!

    “When we got back, Tommy Davis told us that because we had gone to New Orleans and spent time in the clubs, we didn’t qualify anymore to spend time with Tom Cruise. Tom was so ‘pure’ he had never even been to a strip club, Tommy said. And he seemed to believe it,” she says. “By going to New Orleans, we had tainted ourselves.”

    • Qbird
      • Great capture of a facial gesture indicating…”I’m gonna need a few seconds to come up with something….”
        Perfect!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          He’s just trying to choke down one of bm’s DNA shakes before texting him, ML,Tommy. For those that don’t know that is how they talk. ML=Much Love. Ex:
          T.D. “I’m sorry sir but we’ve seen to have lost the BBC reporter in one of the men’s room stalls at Orange County Airport..ML, Tommy
          b.m, Why you fucking stupid cocksucking Bastard, I want you to peek in ever shitter in the airport until you see Sweeny’s asshole or your hag of a ,bunny boilin’ Mother will be licking every urinal at Big Blue with you! ML. b.m.

      • Paul McDaniel

        so so good – quailynn

        • Qbird

          Tommy Davis is a poo-poo head & a chicken shit, just like Miscavige.
          You, on the other hand, Quailynn – I think you are very brave.

    • Observer

      Tommy Davis is a fool, thanks to his fool of a mother. Yes, Anne, you do look brainwashed.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Tommy’s such a simpleton. Or, excuse me, I believe it’s “Tom” or “Thomas” now, right? I forgot that he’s grown into his big-boy name.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        FEE-FEE! Consider me clapping like an over-excited penguin. It’s so great to see you. I know we stay in touch of FB but you belong in the Bunker, dammit! x

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Why, thank you, love. It’s good to come home!

    • Alice Graves

      David Miscavige was reported by more than one source who was in the room, to have spent evenings listening to Cruise’s audit tapes and snickering about what a sexual pervert he was.

      I remember Tom DeVocht saying something to that effect, and believe I read it again from another confidante of DM from that time.

      And COB is getting soused every night on expensive scotch as has been reported by multiple sources.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I hope the Swiss airports restock regularly on their Going Clear paperbacks for their newsstands. That book should be on ALL newsstands.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QarFnPZJqi8&index=1&list=LLE5AXz6WwQVTCVFRFoOpa9w

  • Bert Allen

    Although I have now read it repeatedly, I am always astounded that the COS members had to pay thousands of dollars in order to be abused by Sec Checks. On the other hand, I am impressed with the diabolical mind that made OT VII a self-study course. Then management can just blame the member for not making it go right and failing to achieve control over MEST in OT VIII.

    • grundoon

      Better yet, there is no limit to the number of customers who can be kept busily working their way through OT VII (and paying handsomely every 6 months) since the Chruch does not have to maintain a staff of highly trained auditors to service them.

  • gtsix

    Reminder, in case you want to contribute.
    https://fundrazr.com/51CrD7?fb_ref=share__d6Ryp2

    This is Brandon Reisdorf’s fund page for the CO$ legal fees he has had to pay. He was featured in LEAH REMINI: SCIENTOLOGY AND THE AFTERMATH Season 1 Episode 7. If you can afford to chip in a bit, he could use the financial help.

    (for the USA folks: http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/season-1/episode-7 )

  • gtsix

    Reminder, in case you want to contribute.
    https://fundrazr.com/51CrD7?fb_ref=share__d6Ryp2

    This is Brandon Reisdorf’s fund page for the CO$ legal fees he has had to pay. He was featured in LEAH REMINI: SCIENTOLOGY AND THE AFTERMATH Season 1 Episode 7. If you can afford to chip in a bit, he could use the financial help.

    (for the USA folks: http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/season-1/episode-7 )

    • Bob

      Thanks for posting.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Thank you for staying on top of this, love 🙂

  • Bob

    The narcisisitic mindset encouraged by Scientology is very seductive to the celeb. And as a result it sucks in so many people who want to help talented and famous people. The few celebs left in Scientology are all seeing their careers diminishing as they either lay low or try to defend the lies and disgusting practices that the cult refuses to abandon.
    Quailynn and Paul you will do great. There are so many of us that have been through similar experiences.
    I know some of the celebs you worked with and they were lucky to have you as friends. Thank you for speaking out.

    • Paul McDaniel

      thank you for caring and listening – quailynn

  • Glen

    Thanks for your bravery and honesty in relating your story, Quailynn and Paul. I truly believe it will help others and as painful as relating it may be, I think it will be really good for you too. I do worry about you and the fair game that will come your way. Be strong. Be careful. Be kind.

    As difficult as it may be to lose a brother and sister and parents and friends, it seems like, and I hope so, you have kept your children intact in the family. To me, this seems like the most important outcome in your family. With their background growing up in $ci and going to Delphi, it is a wonder that they didn’t get roped into the Sea Org. One of the saddest and most pervasive stories in the escape from $ci is the loss of children to disconnection. The most bitter fruit of awakening is when you have gotten family to join and they are unable to shed the thought stopping indoctrination and are pressured into disconnection.

    You have the staunch support of a vast amount of people that you don’t even know but I hope you can feel it.

    And Tony, this is the part of your exceptional telling of stories that provide context and detail, journalism at it’s finest. Thanks.

    • Paul McDaniel

      even when we were on OTVII we would fight any sea org recruiter off. Thank god i didnt grow up in scientology. i could see the education kids get is so sub par its embarassing. – quailynn

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    ALL the cult wants is your money and the cult wants ALL your money.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKovtbaaEkQ

  • Glen

    Ah, New Orleans.

    Although TC’s superpowers seem to be threatened by other people’s trip to New Orleans, I guess he can withstand being there for filming a la “Interview With a Vampire” and the most recent Jack Reacher movie.

    http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf/2016/10/where_was_jack_reacher_never_g.html

    And of all the places I’ve been tainted, New Orleans is one of the most fun: Professor Longhair, beignets, second line, Jazzfest, Wild Tchopitoulas, Ramos gin fizz, Preservation Hall, brass bands, Neville Brothers, crawfish etouffe, Tipitinas, Vieux Carre, etc, etc, etc. (and a tip of the hat to NOLAgirl).

    • Juicer77

      Awesome cemeteries!

      • Ann B Watson

        Yes indeed, and NOLAGirl Hugs. I am just up the road in Baton Rouge no longer the sleepy little river town when I came here in 96. Traffic city and rocking most of the night. LSU Tiger Stadium only fifteen minutes from where I live. The college kids keep me younger!lol 💛💘

        • Juicer77

          Jelly of the NOLAgirl hugs!

  • Ben Franklin

    “When we got back, Tommy Davis told us that because we had gone to New Orleans and spent time in the clubs, we didn’t qualify anymore to spend time with Tom Cruise. Tom was so ‘pure’ he had never even been to a strip club, Tommy said.”

    I guess Tom Cruise can not get any more pure than this.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/07/article-2156161-137B67EA000005DC-819_634x701.jpg

    • Observer

      Ewwwww, gross

      • Ben Franklin

        The purest man according to Tommy Davis

        • flyonthewall

          this is a character in the movie Rock Star that this is a promotion for.

          • Ben Franklin

            He was a character named Stacee Jaxx in the movie, but, it is still filthy anyway even if it is a movie for someone who is supposedly too pure to be associated with anyone who goes to New Orleans

            • flyonthewall

              filthy? Ok Grampa

            • Ben Franklin

              Hey, I am pure.

        • Observer

          The grossest man according to me

      • Juicer77

        Photoshopped noggin makes me giggle!! Typical of movie posters but it makes me laugh anyway.

    • Techie

      I don’t know why Tommy Davis thinks Tom Cruise is “pure”. Maybe a different kind of purity than what you and I could conceive of. From http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/12/how-scientology-broke-up-tom-cruise-and-mimi-rogers-the-story-you-havent-heard/

      A close family friend to Mimi tells us that part of the reason Mimi
      wanted to get Cruise Scientology training was that she thought it would
      help him handle what she perceived to be his major flaw — his
      philandering. “Tom was fucking everything that moved,” the friend tells
      us. “But they were all women. I know why the gay rumors started later,
      but it had nothing to do with who he was having sex with. He slept with
      women, and he slept with a lot of them.”

    • Joe

      Ugh, this ruined both tattoos and nipples for me.

      • Ann B Watson

        Really. Not sexy to me rather retchy! Thank you Joe and Ben. Plus I’m old but what is the dragon eating heart thing? And the gun pointing straight down. None for me tc. 😎

      • Taffy Sinclair

        eyeliner for me. sucks.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        So funny 😛

    • Taffy Sinclair

      You mean to tell me THIS is not “pure?” Wow, I need life experience, like, yesterday!

    • Frodis73

      EWWW!

    • Paul McDaniel

      that was done with the utmost purest intentions. Thank you for sharing. he probaby gave both those ladies a private dianetics session. – quailynn

  • J. Swift

    Thank you Quailynn for sharing your story of life at the top of Scientology’s celebrity strata. The endless demands for money, to write KR’s, and to stay on course and go up your Bridge is what the public does not see or understand about the Church.

    The “divide and conquer” strategy of husbands and wives in order to get their money is among the more evil acts Scientology regges commit. This amounts to felony extortion by use of duress and threat. It is one reason why the Church of Scientology must be dismantled in its present form, i.e. it must lose its tax exemption.

    Bodhi Elfman’s letter of disconnection shows the mind of a Scientologist: All crimes must be kept inside the Church and those who want justice must be punished:

    I would rather not associate with those who support “whistle blowing” or investigations outside of HCO/proper channels, or criticisms of Scientology or with someone who avoids auditing

    Bodhi Elfman is as brainwashed, insipid, and mediocre as it gets. A good cultist, he wants to ensure that he can stay on course and get his precious case handled because all of those bad BT’s are keeping him from being as fully self-absorbed and self-important as he can be. If this means disconnecting from good friends of long duration, then Bodhi is all in with the program. For Bodhi it’s *POW* KSW is the real shit. Bodhi would dump Jenna if the Church ordered him to do so.

    As for Tom Cruise being so pure that he has never been to a strip club, that just confirms Tom’s belief that he is the third biggest being on Earth. Above Tom Cruise are David Miscavige and LRH. That is Tom Cruise’s Personal Pantheon: He is part of the Triune Godhead of Scientology.

    • Juicer77

      I don’t know why the insidious manipulating to get between a husband and wife bothers me so much. For some reason that has really struck a chord. It’s not the money. It’s the purposeful intention to separate a strong relationship. Anything that’s a threat to obedience must be destroyed.

      • Cornelius Orowitz Bigot

        In a Dutch investigative TV show, a lady goes in for the evaluation of her OCT “stress test”. First visit to an org, ever. Gets slapped with “your husband is a suppressive and needs to be disconnected from”. Obsessively trying. Right out of the gate. I was shocked at how quickly they went for trying to split them up. It tells me there’s more to it than just the money. At least in cases where the spouse is not a Scientologists. Deliberate isolation?

        • Juicer77

          I remember that one. Yes, immediate isolation. Creepy cult is creepy.

        • That would be this excellent programme https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/dutch-tv-programme-rambam-goes-undercover-inside-a-scientology-org/

          The team sends in a young lady called Rinke, who gets quite deep into the organisation with a hidden camera. I wrote a commentary for the programme which includes this passage

          At 13’42” Rinke returns to the org. by invitation to discuss “a possible solution to yourproblems” – a weekend ‘seminar’. They ask, “will you discuss this with your husband?” – and try to neutralise any objections he may have in advance. Pointing to her [personality] ‘test’ with a pen, they tell her that problems like hers are, “[..] often something in your environment that makes you feel inferior.” Later, it is explicitly stated that this “something” is her husband – and he is actually compared to Hitler. At 15’ 03″ the presenters comment on this attempt to break up a relationship that may be inconvenient to Scientology.

          • Cornelius Orowitz Bigot

            Yep, that’s it. The show is called Rambam. I worked on getting an English subbed version online for a while, but it was an enormous amount of work. There’s a version on YouTube with excellent English subtitles from the YouTube video settings. Despite the Rambam crew being an hilarious bunch, the creepiest show they’ve ever done. In the show, went on to do some book one auditing.

            • It is an absolute classic, and I’m grateful to anyone who even tries to provide subtitles for this kind of thing.

              I did link to it, but initially messed up the link – it’s at https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/dutch-tv-programme-rambam-goes-undercover-inside-a-scientology-org/ and is corrected above.

              There is so much really good stuff out there (especially in German) that is lost to people like me who only ever managed to learn one language.

              I did get the feeling that the crew felt the creepiness and grew uncharacteristically serious, especially near the end, after their ‘agent’ had been ‘blown’, and the Scientologists came over really, really nasty.

          • Paul McDaniel

            please post a link

            • Qbird

              Once_Born’s webpage is filled with a lot of excellent information:
              https://scicrit.wordpress.com

              explore at will.
              Also, thank you for doing what you’ve done, telling of your experience.
              cheers

            • daisy

              Thank you for speaking out . You never know who reads this. The seed may be planted . I am sorry scientology happened to you . Friends in the real world do not betray you. Heed Dodo*s advice.

            • Sorry… I messed the link above up (fixed now). It’s actually https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/dutch-tv-programme-rambam-goes-undercover-inside-a-scientology-org/ which will take you right there.

              The programme also includes scenes of children in the Org, instead of School and the hard sell for Scientology Schools and… well… much more.

      • Paul McDaniel

        yes true indeed – quailynn

    • Ben Franklin

      “Bodhi would dump Jenna if the Church ordered him to do so.”

      Jenna is pretty much the main bread earner in the relationship.

      • J. Swift

        True. But Bodhi could always get a job from another Scientologist selling carpets on the side of the road in Eagle Rock. For people who don’t know SoCal, Eagle Rock is a town next to Glendale where failed SoCal Scientologists tend to wind up. These people are like the “Flag Rejects” who get sent to Flag’s dumping ground called the Tampa Org.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fffb9cc491e807886dda49cbd3e654044a908beb82101a3253839477798c952.png

        • ze moo

          Travolta would make a good rug salesman. Sorry, wrong type of ‘rug’.

          • nunyabidnes

            You guys are giving rug salesmen a bad name. I’m looking for some good rugs myself, but I wouldn’t buy them from Travolta.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Bodhi to a passerby: Hey! I got this really bitchen Harley Davidson rug for sale. It would look great nailed to the wall of yer garage. $100 today only!

              Passerby: Fuck off.

        • Paul McDaniel

          but actually im not even kidding he sold vegetable choppers at the mall – quailynn

      • Observer

        Jenna seems to be a genuinely unpleasant person outside of her social media façade.

        • MarcabExpat

          Yes, I think she and Bodhi have found their niche in Scientology, true believers or otherwise. (And they must be true believers, because who else would scream at a t-shirt.)

      • JD Bain

        She is the breadwinner but Bodhi is in control.

        • Ben Franklin

          Nope. Jenna wears the pants in that relationship.

          • JD Bain

            Perhaps she does now, but that was not the case in the early days.

            • Ben Franklin

              I don’t know about the past, but, right now she wears the pants because Bodhi is not getting as much work as he used to. Jenna is pretty much the one who is bringing in the major portion of their family income. For a while, I thought they were likely headed for a divorce, but looks like they managed to patch things up and are fighting to keep it going together.

    • Ann B Watson

      Thank you J. Swift. As I type the Triune Godheads are pouring over plans for their final ascendancy to the rotten throne of the cult. I am sure those three,Old Ron from above or below as the case could be made,dm and tc are so overjoyed Thetans like Bodhi who makes my skin crawl and all The other whales, celebs who still buy into the Great Lie,get what will be coming to them. I imagine the other members paying public still in his flock will be paying till they pass on and beyond for the three ” hear no evil see no evil speak no evil”lying wolves. 💛

    • Paul McDaniel

      cheers to this! – quailynn

    • The “divide and conquer” strategy of husbands and wives in order to get
      their money is among the more evil acts Scientology regges commit. This
      amounts to felony extortion by use of duress and threat.

      Hear, hear! While this – in a way – makes the victims become the bad people, I hope that ex-victims will band together, once they realise how they have been manipulated, and have a serious go at bringing the law down on the Co$.

      And while the particular staff members, the registrars, do it, it would be in the notes(1) from the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. Unadulterated organised criminal fraud.

      (1) a specific example of notes on how to get a victim to donate more:

      Take care to sit near the door in case he wants to leave. This will enable you to stop him and handle his disagreements.

      https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.scientology/Wu_n39TnQqU

  • Under the Radar

    Scientology – the Mecca of Spiritual Rape and Meat Grinding

    No gets out unscathed

    Can’t wait until the two Holy Men, Tom Cruise and David MIscavige – finally come to terms with who is the Scientological Supreme Leader.

    Church of Cruise Located in beautiful Clearwater Florida

  • Mick Roberts

    “In Scientology there’s no alcohol.”

    Whoa…..I think we’ve just figured out the main source of all of their problems.

    • Mick Roberts

      Although I suppose that when it comes to their “Golden Boy”, there are exceptions to every rule…..

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5c6b0c0821d90fd252796d468145ad5cb1bbae528c797d07110b8b0a7fd192a7.jpg

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        That there is wheat juice, Mick. Good colon cleanse. Makes you piss real good, too.

        • beauty for ashes

          you sound like an old toothless guy on a southern porth in a rocking chair 😉 <3

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Eh, what’s that y’say??

      • As a person of Irish descent, I must request a google on the alcoholic content of Guinness
        Its delicious (the IRA is holding a gun to my head), but its weak sauce.
        So Tommy Boy can toast, with just an inkling.

        • ze moo

          A typical American beer is 5-5.5 percent alcohol. Guinness is 4.5 %. And it is truly delicious. Just doesn’t go well with Buffalo Wings.

          • Thanks for data.
            I don’t start at below 9.
            Too much urination.
            Too much waiting,

          • But it is delish, no?
            Maybe over the oats for breakfast.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Luvs me some OaTies for B-Fast!! But I’m evolved from Quaker instant to Bob’s red mill + flax seed, chia seed, and LRH seed…..

            • Don’t get me started on breakfast oatmeal.
              Refrigerator oatmeal. (Google that)
              Flax, or chia, fresh fruit at the table.
              I have a place across the street where you grind oats like a coffee grinder.
              Can’t get any fresher than that.
              http://www.factoryfreeoats.com/

          • beauty for ashes

            it’s good for breakfast with it’s high iron content. 🙂

        • MarcabExpat

          Guinness IS delicious and the lower alcohol content just means you can drink more of it without becoming a menace to polite society.

          Guinness should be in its own food group.

          • Tis delish….Irish umami

      • Frodis73

        He looks way too serious in this pic. I know Guinness is a serious beer and all, but it is still beer. Lighten up ya wanker!

      • Paul McDaniel

        hes thinking oh shit! now ive gone and put taint in my vessel. thats gonna cost me…..good thing i have a dope condo to endure the wrath of my bestie. – quailynn

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Yes, becuz Booze=Badd!!

      But thousands and thousands of milligrams of C6NH5O2 (aka vitamin B3 aka NIACIN) is totes upstat for our meat bodies? Well, make it go right, I guess……LRH was a master chemist, physicist, drug expert, blahblahblah….

      Yet he was such a chubs w/ a smoking habit that would insult Joe Camel himself!

    • ze moo
    • Juicer77

      To be clear (pardon the pun) – Draco set me straight on this earlier today. There Co$ has a policy against using alcohol 24 hours before auditing (and medication, even aspirin 7 days before) but that does not mean they never drink. Different from say, Methodists who never drink in any situation. Cruise may be a grade A jerk but he isn’t breaking any official Co$ policy by imbibing now and then.

      • Kestrel

        The Methodists I know drink. The Southern Baptists, on the other hand…

        • Kestrel

          There are three truths in life:

          Jewish people do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
          Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader
          of the Christian faith.
          Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store.

          • Mick Roberts

            Bingo!

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I think your thinking of Mormons, not all, per say, but most. Esp the fundies….
        Also, no ciggs, caffine… yes, my spellings are off.

        Bad spellas of da wurld, untie!!!

      • Mick Roberts

        I did know about the 24-hour rule, was just trying to make a wise-crack. I think a good drink every now and then would do some of them a world of good.

        As for Methodists, I’m a Methodist and most everyone I know in church drinks alcohol, including me. Like Kestrel eluded to, Southern Baptists (the church in which I was raised) aren’t usually found drinking, but that’s not entirely accurate either.

        My grandfather used to say “The only difference between a Methodist and a Baptist is that a Baptist will hide his liquor”. As someone raised in the Baptist church and now a Methodist, I think he was pretty spot on in his assessment of those two denominations.

        • Liberated

          The mission where I was all the guys were flat-out drunks and acted like they were making a huge sacrifice cause they didn’t smoke pot anymore.

        • Juicer77

          I learn something new every day!

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve told this before.
          Why don’t Baptists have sex standing up?
          Because it might lead to dancing.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        So, I can do Crystal meth and Heroin 7 days b/f my Sec-Check, and all’s is kewl?? That rocks!! Not only rocks, but rock-SLAMS!!!

        GORGEOUS religion, old and true. Started in 1982!!!

  • ze moo

    The McDaniels story isn’t so much about ‘celebrity’, as it is about the machinations of the whole scam. Yeah, they hung around with the bigger time clam clebs, and have some interesting info on them and the privileges that they get. It was interesting to see who need his koo-aid and cookies to audit properly.

    But the meat of their story is about how fealty is obtained and what lengths the Regges will go to get that 2pm Thursday stat. Gas lighting is one of the main tricks used to divide and conquer. There she was on the toy boat, and having used up most of her OT 8 money on sec checks and other drivel, and Quailynn is fed the company line that Paul is holding out on Lron because he has a retirement account. HOLDING OUT!!!!! No secrets of OT8 until that money is in the ‘chirches’ hands. How can you not see that it is about the money?

    All because the Fleecewinds has higher standards of scamming then the rest of the Clampire. How many KRs were written and post dated so others could distance themselves from ‘apostates’. Denunciation is time honored tactic used to keep the Dununciator in line and to smear the victim. Is the root word of Denunciation, Dunce?

    Sad that their family was broken up, but the McD’s did get their children out. That is better than many.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      And her mother! from what it sounds like.

  • jane456

    Good on Penelope for getting away…..Javier Bardim….20 times the man TC is.

    Life in a cult sucks, whatever status you may have. It is hell. I’m glad this family got out at a fairly young age…….hope to hear about many more like this in 2017!!!”

    • beauty for ashes

      Way better dancer too! 🙂

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    FLEET ADMIRAL DAVID MISCAVIGE ORDERS SCIENTOLOGY SECURITY FORCES TO STAND DOWN IN CLEARWATER

    After an intense 48 hour manhunt and dragnet conducted by over 1,200 members of Scientology’s security forces, it has been determined that Tony Ortega was not in Clearwater. Nevertheless, the threat of his mere presence in Clearwater resulted in a DEFCON 5 red alert and the deployment of all available security forces. Following the stand down order, Scientologists may safely leave their panic rooms and return to their course rooms.

    “Flag Land Base is safe once again thanks to valiant efforts Fleet Admiral David Miscavige to safeguard Scientology,” said Church spokesman Captain Ken Delusion, CO of the Parishioner Action Response Allied Network Operational International Agency (PARANOIA).

    “PARANOIA is in constant action within Scientology,” emphasized Delusion. “It is a dangerous world out there and PARANOIA is, for the Scientologist, all that stands between danger and safety. For this reason, Scientologists must double and triple their IAS donations to keep Scientology’s PARANOIA fully funded. The OSA Staff at the PARANOIA control center track all SP’s 24/7/365 and stand ready to launch a full scale response as happened over the past weekend when a possible Ortega sighting was telephoned into the PARANOIA Crisis Center.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0954479fe4f07d6c913b653cb4578fa60293f917b28c1350d7e82fbd4cb7d7d.png

    • chukicita

      I think you meant DEFCLAM 5. You’re welcome.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      The fact that they thought he was in Clearwater means that the Clampire does not have a 24hr tail on Ortega. Well, now we know that.

    • Mick Roberts

      Just calm down OSA. Stop being so damned paranoid. Tony never was in Clearwater a few days ago.

      However, he WAS just spotted in Gilman Hot Springs, CA a few minutes ago!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Do you mean to tell us that the 1,200 members of our Scientology Security Forces dragged Clearwaterians from their beds, beat them, and interrogated them for nothing?

        And now we have to repeat the same brutal search in an unincorporated part of Riverside County colloquially referred to as Hemet?

        Well, if this is the cost of keeping Scientology safe, then our jackbooted OSA thugs will start kicking down doors in Hemet without delay!

        • Kestrel

          You might want to begin your door-kicking in San Jacinto. They’re closer. – Hemet, CA, Chamber of Commerce.

        • Mick Roberts

          Then I’ll be sure to keep you posted on all of the Ortega sitings I hear about from my sources. Just keep blowing through that money baby!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I know I’m really late to this today (oh, but it was worth the wait) so this will no doubt have been hashed and re-hashed already, but the Tampa org lured Quailynn’s staff away then threatened her with an ethics action when she was forced to close her mission? Incredible. Would Tim DeWall know more about this? I’m wondering if he was still ED of Tampa at the time. I’m not being critical because we all know how much pressure every cog in the machinery is under at all times, just interested in a perspective from the opposite side of the fence.

    The fun I would have had with that balloon arrangement. There’s a devil in me that wants to pop any balloon I see and bugger the consequences. (Sorry, Odin!)

    “I needed to ask Paul for another $10,000 for an additional intensive of sec checks” – so that Scientology could further tear into their marriage avec une force brutale. It’s utterly grotesque. All of it.

    “All of a sudden, I had this moment of clarity — it was all about the money, it wasn’t about my well-being.” The true end phenomenon of Scientology. And it’s entirely free.

    “…get on the cans and find harmony” – Bodhi Elfman. Would that be the sort of cans-based harmony that involves slamming out of the auditing room in a fury and rending your clothes with frustration, Bodhi? Remember?

    (Aside: I don’t wish to be cruel but Bodhi Elfman looks more and more like a shrivelled troll. Naturally, should he leave Scientology, I won’t hold the trollishness against him, but while he is still in and enabling a money-grabbing, family-destroying cult, yes, he will remain a troll.)

    Tony, this is exceptional reporting! Quailynn gave you terrific material to work with, and what an eloquent woman she is, but I love how you turn your long form pieces into stories that keep me riveted. Love, love.

    Quailynn, you are courageous and a loyal, true friend. I’m so sorry you have been treated so horribly by an organisation that benefited from your loyalty for all those years. I hope you have found new and rewarding relationships with no strings attached and that one day soon your family will be reunited. Thank you for sharing your story with us. Love to you, Paul, your mum and your children.

    Sorry for the tl:dr but perhaps it’s okay to write long form comments on long form articles 🙂

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Actually, I’m confident that should Bodhi ever leave scientology, I would be able to say, “Good for you, troll!” and mean it on both accounts.

  • Observer

    You embrace evil, Kirstie. How many Sea Org children are enslaved, neglected and abused in addition to being raped? And really, is there a bigger (as in the amount of whining, not members), whinier, more easily butthurt organization than Scientology and its whiny, butthurt pope?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00816264bd7a4f9d0a526962eb07d920883da30da8dab3564a11c067125f9103.png

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Umm, WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK??
      “Confront?” Nice use of $cilon-speak, ya has-been!
      Paste?? Is this a term used by the church I have yet to understand?? Or is she backflashing us exes and wogs??

      Way to make little of child rape, you BITCH!!! I really hate Krunchy “the clown” Alley!!!!

      Sorry to rant.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I think it says “pastel”. Who knows what she means, though? Perhaps she means vanilla, as in ordinary or standard. I have no clue!

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Thanks, i-Betty! I read it wrong!! LOL, I was very quick to rant, 😉

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I’m sure it means something important to Kirstie but I don’t have the de-coder ring for her rants 😀

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Does anybody, really? 😉

    • Mick Roberts

      Damn, she must’ve had a short “netcation”. I guess she just couldn’t stand to not hear herself talk.

    • chukicita
    • Also, children are used as slaves. By Scientology. To serve you.

      Also, there are people who actually do stuff to save these children. Scientology doesn’t save them, and you don’t save them. Useless cunt. [Author’s note: sorry not sorry.]

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • Vault Digger

        …boy oh boy some TRUTH is comin UR way SOON!

        Oh yeah! Is SMP going to start flooding the airwaves with some of that TRUTH? Or maybe Battlefield Earth 2 or Revolt in the Stars is coming to the big screen?

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe it will be an LRH biography.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          BE2?! What in the name of Satan’s portion? There’s a BE2?

          Btw, it kills me not to shorten your name, and Vault Digger is a mouthful when you’re speaking to a mate…but for obvious reasons I cannot call you by your initials 😀

          • Missionary Kid

            Just call them Digger.

            VD could also be Virginia Dare, Vinci da · Vin Diesel · Viola Davis · Vincent D’Onofrio · Vikash Dhorasoo · Vanessa Delrio · Vedova Della · Vinà Demoraes · Vir Das · Vlade Divac · Vivian Dsena …

            • beauty for ashes

              I don’t know anyone who would dare call her anything other than Ms. Davis. 😉

          • Vault Digger

            I only joke about BE2, I hope…

            I was thinking of changing my name to something that is not embarrassing when shortened. What do you think of “Scientology Tech Detective”?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              My shoulders are actually shaking! Funniest thing I’ve heard in a long while 😀

              Shame, because it’s actually a really cool name!

      • Yaaasss she’s coming unhinged. I hope she has a full meltdown in the next few days.

      • just ‘cuz it’s in ALL CAPS doesn’t necessarily mean it will be true … or soon

      • Observer

        She wouldn’t know truth if it walked up and punched her.

        • Missionary Kid

          She wouldn’t know the truth if it passed through one ear and out the other.

        • beauty for ashes

          in the va jay jay!

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Or in the Aye-say-say!!

      • beauty for ashes

        Oh I hope that artist gives her a RAFT OF SHIT for using her art!

      • If she is filling a vacuum, i would call it Waste Of Space

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Soo, lemme get this “clear.” When peeps be talking mad jive ’bout her spitualty, she turns into a deformed face w/ arms??? How exterior!!!

      • MarcabExpat

        Man, she’s really saying more than she realizes with that first one…

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Where on earth did that come from?? I hate even trying to imagine how her mind works.

      • Observer

        it was one of a string of tweets about child sex trafficking.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Ah, that makes more sense.

          I can’t believe I just typed those words in a thread about Kirstie.

    • She is talking about her Cult

    • lessons in “confront” from someone who turns a blind eye to criticism of her cult.

      Sigh.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      You’ve raped people’s soul’s by kristey (her real first name) by getting them to join $cientology you stupid pig. Funny I’ve been asked over and over why you are famous. These people tend to be slightly younger than myself but I can say, “She is an ageing, minor practically unknown television star that was a cocktail waitress on an old TV show.”

    • The ultimate Rush!

    • Mick Roberts

      I’m no detective, but that looks like an illusion where she’s actually just laying down in front of a picture. Check out the flow of her hair…….can’t fool gravity.

      • Mick Roberts

        Nevermind, just saw the video on the article. Damn…….

    • Joe

      Just looking at this gives me vertigo.

      • Marshall

        Just looking at this makes my stomach twist. And the mother in me wants to yell at her – what the hell is wrong with you!

  • Liberated

    O/T……I hope no one tells Davey about the 7 new planets discovered beyond our solar system…

    He’d probably start hitting up people for money to build “Ideal Orgs.”

  • I hope you are able to transfer your guilt into anger or indignation at how you were treated by people who pretended to be your friends, and pretended you care about you. If you haven’t done it already. I hope you realize that in all of this you committed no crime and you should harbor no guilt for what happened while you were in Scientology. I am glad you made a good decision and separated from the Church and I hope that you find true friends and unconditional love and acceptance outside of Scientology.

    I can tell you that outside of Scientology, all of the celebrities that you met are considered strange, kooky, weird and unpredictable. All of them are deservedly at the end of their careers. It may be personal bias, but I think the Elfmans and Alley are probably the most detested celebrities among ex-Scientologists. Tom Cruise is just a fucking, fanatical idiot (excuse my alliteration). I can’t wait until all of them eventually realize how bad they fucked up by letting themselves be scammed so hardcore. Just know with all their money and fame, we still are capable of making better life choices than they are. I hope they all end up as miserable as I was in the Sea Org, at least long enough to know what it feels like.

    It was just the first of several Knowledge Reports submitted over the next four years by friends who suggested that the McDaniels were drinking too much, partying too often, and spending suspicious amounts of time with other attractive young people.

    When I started doing all of these things was when I also realized that Scientology was shit. I am so glad I didn’t follow my parents’ lead. That’s exactly why Hubbard worked so hard to keep his followers from having any fun.

    I highly recommend you get in touch with your local Social or Human Services government agencies before your sister succeeds in kidnapping your mother. They can help you keep your mother safe.

    • Observer
      • Love this! But shouldn’t John T. be under the horse? Eeek sorry.

        • Observer

          :-O

          • I know, I know. I deserve to have my mouth washed out with soap.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          He’d need to give Jenna a bigly thrust to create some room under there.

        • Missionary Kid

          Wrong. It’s Jenna Elfman. That way she can spend all day watching Netflix, as she said.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Amazing. Is this one of your’s, Obs?

        • Observer

          Yep. I did it a couple of years ago.

          • beauty for ashes

            How did you get John Travolta to look so…derpy?

            • Observer

              He did it all by himself.

            • beauty for ashes

              natural talent don’t ya know!

          • FredEX2

            Obs! That’s quite a shoop! It would be fun to have a book of your creations…~Maybe call it “Scientology Shoop-a-dupe” by Observer. 🙂

          • John Prince

            I love it !! Krustie REALLY looks like she’s found the way to happiness 😂😁😅

            • MarcabExpat

              It’s because they let her sit directly ON the horse’s ass, so she felt extra comfortable.

    • Missionary Kid

      To add a note. Leah Remini was one celebrity who treated sea org people well when you were in it. OTO, you and your family suffered at the hands of Kirstie Alley.

      It’s no wonder Leah left. She had humanity.

      • arcinva

        That makes me wonder about Catherine Bell, too. She was nice and studious. It also reminded me that she’s not dating a woman. I’d be curious if the McDaniels know if Catherine has moved away from the church or gotten in trouble for it. Of course, that’s just my curiosity and I’m not trying to get them to be gossips.

        • Missionary Kid

          I don’t know about Catherine Bell, but anyone who moves away from the chirch gets in trouble for it. OTO, celebs probably get treated differently, especially if they do things quietly.

  • Pro tip to Quailynn and Paul – choose your new friends wisely, share any info/plans even wiser.

    • Observer

      Wise words, especially now that they’ve spoken out.

    • flyonthewall

      I also have a pro tip. If you tie a long string to your mittens and put one mitten through each sleeve of your coat, you’ll never lose your mittens. You’re welcome

      • Rasha

        Still lost ’em. Should they have been on different ends of the string?

        • flyonthewall

          idk, I’m a kinda doctor not a mitten tying guy

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Hur hur 😛

        • beauty for ashes

          that’s like not even possible Rasha! how?

          • Rasha

            Well, I found that the mittens and the string started at the same time, so I needed to find out when the string ended. So I attached them to the end, but then it was no more, as it had ended, so to start tying them to the end, I needed to know how long it was, so I could get there, and since the length of a string is twice half its length, I needed to get to the midpoint. Arriving there would require that I first get to the halfway point to the middle first, and that would not be possible until I get at least halfway there…. In any case, by the time the string ended, both mittens reached the end in a tie, and that was the moment I started to tie the end of the string to the mittens.

            Then I lost them in the snow. I blame Fly.

            • beauty for ashes

              *insert clapping gif* take a bow you brilliant spaceship!

            • Rasha

              #^_^#

            • Rasha

              …did I do it wrong?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Pro tip: men with beards are 75% more likely to get a date on Valentine’s than women with beards.

        • beauty for ashes

          **sighs** i know

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            O.o

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Ya know what? Yr a dick! I deserve dates too, irregardless of my (being a) beard, OR my oily table!!!

          To get back in good standing w/ Miss Taffy, you must do A-E. Or A to V. Your choice, Johnny. 😉

  • chukicita

    Paul and Quailynn, thank you for telling your story. I was among those who was picketing to remember Lisa McPherson, and I recall the “Sid Klein What Are Your Crimes” chant. And another time when Scientologists made anti-drug signs and came out and covered our signs with theirs, to make it look like they were having an anti-drug rally, and we were just part of that.

    It was kind of terrifying, sometimes, to picket.

    I’m really glad you’ve made it out. And a thousand blessings on your house for your bravery and candor.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      You have such a big heart, Chukicita.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        And she has a great voice 🙂

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          She truly does 🙂 Like melted chocolate.

      • beauty for ashes

        and soft shiny fur 🙂

    • MarcabExpat

      I missed this comment yesterday, Chuki. I’m so glad you posted it. I’d love to be a fly on the wall if you and the McDanielses got to meet and talk and real life.

      • chukicita

        If that ever happens, I would hope you could be there, too!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Robert Eckert

      She’s really making an emphatic point!

      • beauty for ashes

        Doesn’t it look like she’s about to pull some sort of magic dust of of a pouch and throw it, just like a witch?

    • I like the sign-bombing thingy! Like a reversed Selfie

    • Ella Raitch

      Gorgeous. That second photo! This is PR in the Cherch of Scientology

    • FredEX2

      There was a slight breeze blowing by in Clearwater…and out of an abundance of caution… Scientologist Pat Harney sniffed the air to check for the scent of SPs wafting past the Org.
      F5
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6c47254fa16f531abdcde6d95c385cdffcf28faa1499da8c1e61fc128d93802b.jpg

  • beauty for ashes

    Quailynn and Paul have a very admirable marriage. It has been severely tested and has triumphed. I hope that because you chose love and family this brings you many blessings. So good you are in therapy too. Y’all seem like smart people. You’ll do just fine from here on out 🙂 <3 <3 <3

  • i know these two quotes are completely unrelated above:

    “I still don’t know how they got that information,” (Quailynn) says.
    &
    “The church sent their sound technicians to do this. At the time I didn’t think anything of it.”

    but, knowing what we know now … could it be plausible that … nah, that’s crazy. right?

    • I think it can also be as simple as having a scientologist working in mid management of any major bank.

      • do Scientologists work in banks? seems like working that closely with money would be too much of a temptation to … nah, that’s crazy. right?

        • Heh. Some even worked for IRS.

          • Joe

            Worked for, infiltrated, to-may-to, to-mah-to.

  • Frodis73

    OT-Just noticed Depeche Mode was trending on twitter and freaked out! Are they on tour? Oh no, did one of them die? Nope. That Nazi fuck Richard Spencer said they were the un-official band of the alt right? WTF? Have those twats ever listened to the lyrics? OMX, these Nazi’s have got to go. Their time was up in 45 man. OUT! OUT! OUT damn spot!!

    • MM

      Leaves school to follow his ambition
      Knows what he wants
      To be a politician
      Shouldn’t have done that!

    • Elegant Mess

      Really? Depeche Mode? Do they have to sully everything that is good in this world?

  • Dave Reams

    Was Quailynn’s sister Quaylude from the Tubes ever in?
    https://youtu.be/qJfbO-iBkZI

    • Missionary Kid

      *Groooooan*

      The Tubes put on a great show. I got to see them live in about 82 to 84. They were doing stuff live that could only be done by jump cuts on MTV.

      • BaaadaBing

        “Talk To Ya Later” one of my all time fav songs.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yeah, it’s a good one. Story.

          I was friends with security at the Santa Barbara County Bowl for a while, (I’d done some favors for them) so I could walk in and watch performances almost any time I wanted. I’d heard The Tubes music, but I wasn’t familiar with how they were on stage. I had two of my kids, about the ages of 12 and 9 with me that weekend, so I took them along and sat up in the nosebleed seats that were open (I didn’t want to abuse my privileges).

          It was a good thing I sat way up there, because at one point, one of the group came out for a song in an exaggerated silk looking glam costume with at least 10″ platform heels, and a giant fake cloth penis sewn to the front of his pants. We were sitting far enough away that I decided that maybe if I didn’t say anything, the kids wouldn’t notice.

          When we finally left, the kids didn’t say anything about it, and I wasn’t going to bring it up.

          Now, both kids are in their 40s, and I recently finally asked them about it. They weren’t paying attention, and didn’t notice.

      • Dave Reams

        What do you want from life?
        A trophy from Miscavige and a sec check auditor who isn’t wrapped too tight

        • Missionary Kid

          *Chuckle* The Tubes were definitely the opposite of $cientology.

          • Dave Reams

            Sounds like Danny Masterson should hang himself now that he has enough rope!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    This is probably OT, but the similarity between Karen Pouw’s response to scientology critics and the response of the White House to exposes about Trump’s lawyer and Russia is mind boggling. Here is part of the WH response today: “This is another absurd, misleading attempt to distract from the real reform taking place under President Trump.” Is there a secret, hidden school somewhere that teaches the art of dissembling?

    • Joe

      I think they’re both just used to audiences that don’t do much critical thinking.

      • Marshall

        Critical thinking – don’t be silly!!!

  • RK

    Tom Cruise is one weird guy. This story about him finding people tainted and unworthy of associating with him, because they had fun on vacation, is really bizarre. My message to Quailyn and Paul is that it gets better. Scientology is small and appears smaller and smaller as your network of friends and the deeper your relationships grow.

  • Sejanus

    Bodhi Elfman seems like a self absorbed little twerp….no loss in that friend fucking off.

  • Missionary Kid

    Slightly OT. In Rolling Stone A timeline of $cientology defectors.

    • Missionary Kid

      I spotted one error. The Hole is only one venue for the RPF, and it’s at Gold Base. Sea org have been assigned to the RPF at other locations, and, as crappy as the conditions are, where they’re stuck isn’t called the Hole, IIRC.

    • Techie

      http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/lists/scientology-defectors-a-timeline-w461675 It would have to be the size of an encyclopedia to actually cover all the defectors, From Don Purcell to now. Some good points but pretty lightweight. What about Sarah Northrup, Quentin, John McMasters??To be clear, “the Hole” is not much like the RPF. Everybody on the Hole is already declared suppressive. Normally getting declared suppressive means you are thrown out, but somehow Dave Miscavige is holding the senior executives of Scientology hostage. It is not even normal Scientology cruelty. It is a new cruelty invented by Dave to make it seem like there is some kind of system of checks and balances while in reality he is in 100% authoritarian control. If he just let the folks in the Hole go he would be required by his legal arrangements with the IRS to replace them, and who knows – the replacements might get uppity and challenge him or something. Many abuses of the RPF exist, but in the officially sanctioned form there is a way out, no fixed term of punishment. They live under harsh conditions but are supposed to get enough sleep and decent food. The RPF as they are doing it these days could take a very ambitious committed member around a year to complete all the requirements and get out. Most take longer and many are “lifers” – those who really have no hope of ever getting out for various reasons. Those in the Hole only get out by escaping or dying.

    • What’sup

      That’s hilarious.

      • I guess 2033 is when most (ex)scientologists will pay off their credit card debts.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Whaaa…??? I’m dying. I love it when scientology is a punchline.

      • They did a few years ago. Balls of Sweden steel.

        • MarcabExpat

          This is why Sweden is the nation to defeat Il Douche.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
    • beauty for ashes

      whoozah kitteh!

    • Rasha

      Bookmarkitteh!

  • What’sup

    I’m starting to think Tom Cruise is a bit weird.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Oy! How did I miss this before? Flicking through Ruthless I saw the Suggested Reading section right at the back of the book and instead of Ron Miscavige listing, say, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, A Piece of Blue Sky or Bare-faced Messiah, he lists:

    Self Analysis
    A New Slant on Life
    The Fundamentals of Thought…

    …all penned by the leader of the cult he worked so hard to escape. I wonder whether he will come to regret that in the future.

    http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/leaving.gif

    • Those three titles are the least controversial and “good feeling” kind.
      They are what every scientologist believes they signed up for.

    • remember who the ghost writer is

      • Frodis73

        Yep. It did kind of annoy me though.

    • Frodis73

      Speaking of the Miscavige family, after finally reading Jenna’s book I noticed she gave more info and insight into DM than his dad did. He seemed a bit normal when she was really young. He also seemed to genuinely like her too. Or is it just me? He definitely changed, but her early memories seem legit.

    • There is also a pamphlet (entitled “It Works!”) featured in Ron’s ‘recommended reading’ . This dates back to the “Higher Thought” movement of the 1930s, but describes something very similar to Scientology’s ‘postulation’ – an idea which Ron the salesman appears to be fond of.

      It’s basically another iteration of the, ‘if you follow my system, and wish for what you want hard enough, the universe will magically give it to you’ notion. This pops up all over the cultic milieu (the ‘prosperity gospel’, pseudo-Buddhist ‘chanting for a new car and, of course Scientology ‘postulation’).

      Funny thing is I had picked up a copy of “It Works!” in a charity shop, a little while before I started to read the book, having noted the similarity with ‘postulation’. I was astonished to see it in the ‘recommended’ section, so I scanned it and put it online – you can download and read it in this post https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/it-works-by-rhj-wishful-thinking-in-fringe-ideas-and-its-influence-on-scientology/

      My conclusion is that Ron, bless him, is a superficial thinker, who wholeheartedly accepts ideas on the basis that he ‘wants to believe’ – he really does not think things through for a moment.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Once_Born, you are a treasure un-matched by man or beast. Thank you 🙂

        • You are most welcome – but that one was sheer luck.

          I happened to working with volunteers at a warehouse which sorted donations for a local chain of charity shops (US: thrift stores) before they were forwarded to the retailers… in the book department, of course.

          I also acquired a huge, unopened box billed as a “Dianetics Self-Improvement Pack” containing all kinds of Hubbard rubbish for £1. I’m going to ask about it here, some time, because I’m sure there is a story behind them.

          Normally it would have gone to be sold for pulp, as per policy, because Scientology stuff does not sell. Standing orders were to throw Scientology stuff into the pulp bin, alongside The Book of Mormon and Reader’s Digests…

  • Great story Tony!

  • ze moo

    Did the McDaniels leave any ‘monies on account for future services’? Now that they are declared they can’t enter the mOrg to get the form required for refunds. That is a violation of the 93 IRS agreement. Great fun will ensue if they contact the IRS and make a stink. Hell, send the IRS a KR on $cieno money crimes…

  • If I lived near an org, I think it would be fun to get a megaphone and read OT III out loud in the parking lot, or lobby, if possible. (Has Angry Gay Pope or Anonymous ever done this?) I would of course make sure a doctor was nearby to handle all the pneumonia cases.

  • I don’t know if mainstream media will pick up this story, but it really is a very important account.
    As a wannabe analyst, I predict lots and lots of ripples and major waves. And more defectors.

  • Hermesacat

    More evidence how disrespectful and abusive Scientology is of families (as if more was required). Infuriating. Pitting a Scientologist wife against her Scientologist husband and counselling her to divorce him, apparently just so the cult could squeeze even more momey out of them. How low can the church go in its money grubbling? The silver lining was it was that unsubtle, malicious effort by the church that woke Quailynn up to the fact the church was not concerned about members’ welfare after all, only how much money it could bully and manipulate them out of.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Wow, Leah and Mike really do mean business. Here is another bonus clip for those who haven’t seen it yet (I hadn’t). This one is called “Scientology & the Aftermath – The Work Continues”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TdmbPMtaMk&t=12

    • Rasha

      Tweeted

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Chills watching that. Thank you, Andrea.

      • daisy

        Like the new avi a lot.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          It’s a Hubbard doll.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        You’re welcome – and it’s so nice to see your name pop up in my notifications. I miss you (now that I actually sleep at night)!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      You know, 3, 4, 5 years ago–hell, maybe even 2 years ago–I’m not sure I would’ve expected to love Mike Rinder as much as I do. Mad respect for him, always, but I feel like he has now really, truly found himself and his calling. It’s inspiring.

      • MarcabExpat

        Same. I’m cheering for him now.

  • Zenster

    Congratulations. Always happy go read of another escape from the evil mind killing cult. You must be thrilled you don’t have to spend the rest of your life auditing body thetans😱

    • It’s help motivated. They will need to find a good charity or something as a part of therapy. No joke.
      I still deal with it myself and I was nowhere near OT levels.

    • It’s help motivated. They will need to find a good charity or something as a part of therapy. No joke.
      I still deal with it myself and I was nowhere near OT levels.

  • Rasha

    O/T Poetry is hard.

      • Rasha

        Prose is a difficult but satisfying outlet. Thing is, it’s hard to convey the context and perspective.

        • I like it when you talk like that.

          • Rasha

            LOL! Rasha encourages creative writing. It invites critical input while trying stylistic expression. Funny how it rides the line of cloak and exposition. Just sayin’.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        And when I was a kid I thought it was so odd that 99% of British bands didn’t sing in their accents. Then I was floored when I learned Abba didn’t even sing in their own native language.

  • janedoe2

    Paul and Quailyn, THANK YOU for coming out publicly. This is needed. I feel for all the heartache the church put you through. Although you were good friends to Jenna and Bodhi, they are not true friends, nor are the church members still in the bubble. As you saw, they turned on you in New York minute. That can’t be true friendship. And Jenna destroyed Milton Katselas’ life with her extreme fanatical fundamentalist C of $ dramatizations. Many people think he died early because of that stress from Jenna and Grant Cardone and others who disconnected and publicly spoke out against him and destroyed his business. Welcome to the sunshine. You have many friends here. Good luck to you!

    • “Jenna and Grant Cardone” are they a Thing?

      • janedoe2

        No. They are each married to other people. I just mentioned them both because both of them really shit on Milton Katselas and caused his business to fail and caused him to die from the stress of it all. They each ran vicious campaigns telling all his students to stop taking classes form him and disconnect from him. It was quite an orchestrated thing. If you saw “Disconnection,” the play, when it was here, it went into it as did other books such as “Going Clear” etc.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks, Jane. Please correct any of my errors.

          Eventually, the attack and disconnection of Katselas, who was a big part of the Beverly Hills Playhouse by Grant Cardone and $cientology students and former students, Jenna Elfman among the more prominent ones, was painfully witnessed by Allen Barton, the successor at the head of the BHP.

          Later, Allen had a very talented piano teacher,Mario Feninger, Because Allen was considered a Potential Trouble Source, Scientology forced Mario to disconnect from Allen and other paying students, even though, teaching piano was a large part of Mario’s income. Eventually, even though Allen was sending him money, Mario became quite sick and poor, and $cientology didn’t give a shit, Allen and other wogs raised money for him.. IIRC, the PR caused $cientology to finally help him out. Tony covered the whole story.

          Eventually, Allen Barton wrote and staged the two act playDisconnection at the BHP. In the era of Going Clear it was another blow against Co$.

          It was a powerful play for anyone who knew a bit about disconnection and $cientology, especially the second act, which featured an obnoxious but much taller person who was a lot like David Miscavige. You can read Mike Rinder’s column about it here. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-the-play/ Tony’s coverage was also quite thorough.

          • janedoe2

            Missionary Kid, I don’t know what IIRC stands for? But yes your recounting of events is correct. You provided links for the person who asked for links, so thank you. I knew Mario personally and it was heartbreaking that he and his friend were facing eviction, starvation, lights being turned off for nonpayment etc. So when his former student, Allen Barton gave him a check and said he would pay every month, as soon as the church heard about that, they made Mario give the money back to Allen and disconnect from him, which Mario dutifully did. No one at the church helped him and in fact they looked at him as a downstat who “pulled it in” and “he is responsible for his own condition” and “he should have planned for his old age.” (The latter was what an OT VIII friend said about him when I questioned her on it. Her No-Sympathy stance about him was shocking to me considering she had taken his master class in piano for years and she loved him dearly.) It goes to show you how the church can brainwash you to turn against your own friends. Also I heard that Mario had been awarded a Kha Khan from LRH for his good work at the Paris Org back in the day. So being a celebrity like that and the church still didn’t help him… not until they were publicly shamed into helping him when his story went public on Tony O’s and Mike R’s blog. Then and only then did the church step up and do something.
            Also on a side note, I think you and I saw “Disconnection” the same night in Beverly Hills. I heard from another Ex who was there that night that he was stoked because he got to meet “Missionary Kid.” I didn’t know who you were or I would have come to shake your hand too.

            • Robert Eckert

              IIRC “if I recall correctly”

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank you for your reply. It must have been tough for you to watch Mario’s story being told in a play, after knowing him..

              I felt that the play needed a little more development time so it was more comprehensible to people who didn’t know anything about $cientology. It was obviously a very personal story of Allen’s. I felt his sadness at the end, and even more anger at the policy of disconnection than I already had.

              I was sitting next to Tory Christman, who came with Spanky Taylor that night. There were a LOT of exes and indies there that night. I talked to a whole bunch at the after-party. I’m horrible at names and faces, so I can’t remember many of them.

              When I went to the play, I was just getting to know Tory. Later, because some of the people in the Bunker decided that we would be a cute couple, and that isn’t our relationsihp, I decided to make it clear that our relationship is like that of siblings, so I’ve “adopted” her as my younger sister.

            • janedoe2

              I was there that night! I recall Tory and Spanky were on the front row or so. I went to the after party too. Tory is lucky to have a “big brother” like you! And vice versa.

            • Missionary Kid

              I consider myself lucky to have Tory as a little sister. We talk more than my biological sisters. She’s taught me a lot about $cientology, and I appreciate her positive outlook on life.

              The first night that I met her, on impulse, I joined her to go and protest at the LRH building. She’s fearless, and made it fun.

            • janedoe2

              You all rock!

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, I’m just basking in their reflected glory as a hanger-on. Besides, the exes are a fun crowd.

            • Frodis73

              She is, MK is a good guy and I wish I could have spent more time talking to him last summer.

        • No.. i was thinking that they where talking or socializing together. They ran down Bob Milton? One rabbit hole, i never took a dive in.
          eta: ok just reading up on this – Another milton i guess (Milton Katselas)

          • Missionary Kid

            No, Milton Katselas, the head of the Beverly Hills Playhouse, who had helped Travolta and Elfman and a lot of other $cientologists’ careers. They turned on him.

            • hmm

            • Missionary Kid

              To add, read my longer post that I wrote a little earlier.

    • daisy

      I have never heard that story . Do you have links ?

      • Qbird
        • daisy

          Thank you

        • daisy

          I already hated Cardone as deeply as I hate. Then I read the articles, turns out I have a whole new level of disgust. I dislike Bhodi . I have no idea his source of pride , he acts like a 4yr old and looks like a pony.

          • Missionary Kid

            You’re too fucking kind to the Elfmans and Cardone.

          • Qbird

            I know a man who was also teaching acting workshops in LA during the same time as Katselas. Years ago while talkiing to him about Scn. stuff, he brought up Milton. I sent him links about how his life went towards the end.

            He emailed me back this:

            Dear Q,

            Thank you so much for the links! I had not known that Katselas had begun to move away from Scientology in his last years. I was glad to hear that, though he did considerable damage in the years before his change of heart. He also never lost offering his support of Hubbard. When I was teaching actors in LA and in NY in the 70s and 80s, I would always have some lost soul wander into class after having been thrashed emotionally by Katselas. They were always on the verge of leaving the arts after their experience with Milton. Sometimes they could be rescued…sometimes the damage to them was too grievous and they were lost. I hated him, and I never met him.

            So. IMO, Katselas was a Scn FSM Shark. Not saying that he ‘deserved’ what he got, just sayin’ he wasn’t a nice guy neither. The “IT” people eat each other up — they treat each other like shit… they all seem to become Hubbard-like. And as near as I can tell, ANYONE who got close to Ron was treated like shit. THAT’s his game. rat basterd.

            • daisy

              I agree , I have read so much about Katselas. I knew he was a victimizer as well. People eating each other up is an apt description. I have had a special hatred for Cardone since watching the video of him bullying his mother into using chopsticks .

            • Frodis73

              Oh wow! Thanks for sharing that. Interesting. Hubbard’s damage is so wide spread and lasting. Argh.

  • Sunny Sands

    This wasn’t mentioned in the article, but the McDaniels’ 4 daughters would have been about sea org recruitment age when they left. I wonder if that played a part in their leaving. Leah said her daughter’s well being influenced her decision, and there was speculation that Katie Holmes wanted to avoid Suri having to take classes.

    • I know Cathy Schenkelberg, of “Squeeze My Cans” fame, also left Scientology at least in part to protect her daughter from recruitment into the Sea Org. As I recall, Cathy got upset because SO recruiters were talking to her daughter without Cathy’s permission, pressuring Cathy re: the SO, etc.

      • Missionary Kid

        Notice that Tommy Cruise’s kids didn’t go into the sea org.

  • dungeon master

    I am so glad Quailynn and Paul were able to prevent their mother from being kidnapped. I know the church would have squeezed every ounce of coin out of her they could, and her Sea Org/staff children would NOT be able to care for her properly. The poor dear would have died alone, broke and broken.
    I know how hard it is to delete 30 years of programming. I’m glad they’re in therapy. They have been incredibly brave to add their names to the exes speaking out. Welcome to the Bunker!! ML, dungeon (lol)

    • Qbird

      They are chatting in the bunker too, Dungeon! How cool is that?!

      • dungeon master

        Awesome! Pass me some of that Frozen stuff in the hurricane glass! I can’t wait to get to know them!

        • Qbird
          • dungeon master

            <Mmm. Lovely! Thanks!!

          • BaaadaBing

            Now that pic brings back memories. Or should I say lack of. My friend and I got roofied at Pat O’Brian’s. When our friends tried to take us back to the hotel, apparently I (being totally out of my mind) jumped out of a moving cab with no ID or shoes and went back into the Quarter. Yeah. the rest of night (that I remember) makes for a really good story.

            • Qbird

              o_O ha! Oh my, funny. Good to hear that you lived. Good also that you didn’t wake up, naked, in a lovely ally, with a funny taste in yer mouth & 3 dollars stuck in yer ear!

            • BaaadaBing

              No doubt!

  • flyonthewall

    I like that Bodhi told Paul the disconx email was private but Paul posted it anyway bc fuck that guy

    • And fuck HCO “justice” shenanibang.

    • Qbird

      that tickled me too. 🙂

    • Rasha

      Bodhi is not so much a friend who is lost as he is something that is scraped off and treated with Bactine and iodine.

      • flyonthewall

        Paul: But Bodhi, I thought we were gonna be friends till the end??

        Bodhi: This is the end, friend.

    • Susan black

      The sooner that kinda stuff gets exposed, the better. Keep exposing their bullshit. They look mean and petty.

      • Liberated

        Cause they are mean and petty.

    • he didn’t add “copyright CST” at the end. That would have worked…

  • Jimmy3

    Elfman… more like put it back on the Shelfman. Am I right or what

    • Rasha

      n/

    • What’sup

      I’d like to see him on that celebrity boxing show…..he’d be great. For his opponent, they could try to book Mike Tyson. Butterbean at a pinch.

  • BaaadaBing

    No matter how many stories like this one that I read, it never gets less sad. It just breaks my heart every time. Stay strong. Quailynn and Paul.

  • flyonthewall

    Hey Quailynn responded to my bathroom jinn post from earlier. She said it was hilarious. The lady has a good sense of humor, I say we keep her

    • Jimmy3

      I’ll distract her, you grab her passport

      • flyonthewall

        in the ASC cult’s RPF we make you upvote every single damn post on every single damn article. Daisy’s been on it for like 5yrs

  • Susan black

    Poor Tommy Davis! I think he really, really wanted to go cut lose in NewOrleans. Prolly Tommy Cruise, too. But, you know…they’re serious and untainted cherchies.

    • Joe

      He’s not too pure to go cavorting on James Packer’s yacht or attend Hollywood parties which I’m sooo sure are alcohol/drug free.

  • What almost every scientologist and really any human being needs is a good cause, positive purpose to live for, in my humble opinion. Let’s list some, please. It will help.

    • flyonthewall

      raising good kids

    • flyonthewall

      get involved in local politics, do good for your community

      • Any charitable organizations that are not full of shit?

        • flyonthewall

          yes, plenty. Why you so jaded bro?

          • Honest question. No nihilism. List them please.

            • flyonthewall

              neh, don’t feel like it

    • downtherabbithole

      Treat the stranger next to you with kindness and respect

      Eta- send dodo a huge hug

    • Juicer77

      Check on your neighbors and make sure they are ok. Especially elderly ones.

  • downtherabbithole

    Quailynn, your strength and spirit is truly admired and inspiring. Wishing you and your family all the joy you so richly deserve.

    I am a never in and when I read stories such as your, it reminds me just how much I take my own family for granted.

    Off to make a few phone call now. Enjoy your evening everyone.

  • flyonthewall

    Articles on people leaving the cult are my favorite.

    • Jimmy3

      My favorite articles are the Articles of the United States Constitution, because I am a real American. Fight for the rights of every man.

      • flyonthewall

        Jimmy fights for the user

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        The Articles of Confederation deserve a little recognition, too, Mr. Patriot.

    • Joe

      My favorite articles are articles of clothing, preferably crumpled up next to my bed. Ha-cha-cha-cha!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a456abe1325f90ebdcc8b1767228f97baa6560af3d25c2f1cd1231d703257253.gif

      • flyonthewall

        weeee got a winner!

  • Deborah McRoberts

    I want Paul and Quailynn, to know that there are people like me out there in the world that grieve for them, and pray everyday for their recovery from a false religion. I am so glad your family stayed together. That shows that you are stronger together than any of the bs they can throw at you. I am a liberal Christian, that believes in the pure love of Jesus Christ. May you heal and find peace.

    • flyonthewall

      i got a tattoo of Jesus on my wiener so that people when I’m bonin’ them can say, “I have Jesus in me”

      • daisy

        you ass

      • Ella Raitch

        Behave yourself!

        What does it say when it’s not…..erm…..fully extended

      • Qbird

        Fly! very irreverent humor here! U get eel slap!
        http://eelslap.com

        • Juicer77

          This is way too much fun to play with!

      • What’sup

        I’m dying.

        • flyonthewall

          *whisper* I stole that from an awesome movie called Doom Generation!

      • JaxNGold

        Jesus, Fly…lol

      • Kestrel

        On the negative side, it takes three days for it to rise.

        • Missionary Kid

          I just lost it over your comment. Zing!

    • Ella Raitch

      Welcome Deborah!

    • Missionary Kid

      Welcome.

    • daisy

      Come in . Have a drink , donuts in the back. The chocolate ones are mine , hands off ,

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Deborah.

  • Noesis

    Leaving the fetid swamp of Scientology takes courage because one thinks the bigger answers are ahead of them…on the bridge.

    Once one leaves and reconnects with themselves and their true nature they realize they were conned and were unintentionally conning others.

    Much of the harm done in Scientology was done by good people who unknowingly cooperated with a handful of truly despicable folks who knew / know with certainty that Scientology is high-priced bollocks.

  • Marie-Joe Roy

    Wow! I just read your story. Congratulations for staying together! The Church tried to split Tony & I for years. We both officially came out together in 2010. Our marriage is stronger than ever 7 years later. By publishing your story you hit a whole new level of freedom. Thanks for sharing! Wishing you lots of happiness together & with your girls. You have a bright future ahead!

    • Tony DePhillips?

      • Marie-Joe Roy

        Yes 🙂

        • So cool to hear from you! It was such a pleasure to meet you guys in Texas.

    • Ella Raitch

      Marriage tends to be more managable with only two parties involved!

      • Jimmy3

        Even better with only one. Thats how David Miscavige has stayed married so long.

        • Ben Franklin

          Yes, married to himself. Sad!

          • Joe

            Married to the job, amirite?

            • Missionary Kid

              Himself is his job.

    • ReallyMGM

      Welcome back from the church.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome! So glad you are still together.

  • While hunting Soviet spy, FBI feared angering Scientology.

    https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/834940243644137475

  • ReallyMGM

    What a great story of a family’s strength today. Thanks for telling it to us, TO. To Paul and Quailyn, Welcome to a new community of support who is so glad your family made it through.

    My husband finally confessed why he was so interested to watch Leah Remini:The Aftermath. He has been a fan of hers for YEARS, never ever missing an episode of King of Queens. He even watched Bill Maher last week to see his “girlcrush” Leah. So it started with love for Leah, but is now an activist for all the Scientology crap pulled on his real friend (finianicially ruined by WISE) and everything he is learning at the Bunker.

    Hooked another one! When Mr. REally sees Leah little emoji heats are floating all over the place. It’s so cute. And I will give him hell over it for the rest of his life.😀😀😀

    I always wondered who his celebrity crush was. It has been Leah Remini all along. Was holding that one close to the vest!

    • Missionary Kid

      Aw, c’mon, give the guy a break. Praise him for finally coming over to the bright side. 🙂

  • Please list some good non profits. Good night/good day. Thank you.

    • Kestrel

      In your area, you could start with Freestore Foodbank.

    • Joe

      Special Olympics. They do a lot of great work and I’ve really enjoyed volunteering with them.

    • Frodis73

      Any non profit should always be checked out with Charity Navigator….I think that is the name. They rate charities on things like how much of your donation goes to actual charity vs lining somebody’s pocket.

      • Joe

        Also, guidestar.org has 990s for a lot of exempt organizations so you can see what they’re reporting to the IRS.

        • Frodis73

          Maybe that is one I am thinking of…or is there something called charity navigator (or name similar to that) too?

          ETA-Just saw the reply from Kestrel, so ignore this. Oops!

    • Kestrel

      Also consider local neighborhood services in your area. One that I work with here (I’m just a food mule) works with the city and the local food bank to get food to those in need. They also provide emergency rent/utilities money, employment counseling, senior services, and more. Your community or your local food bank can direct you. As Frodis and Joe said, you can then run them against either CharityNavigator.org and/or GuideStar.org, which is what I did before contributing my time or money.

      • Juicer77

        Never say “just.” Every link in the help chain is vital.

    • Qbird

      For me it’s personal. My brother is in a Veteran’s home. I give to that specific place & never to the spammers who call me constantly to give to various Vet organizations (real or not – how do you know?! Never trust a stranger’s voice on the phone.) That way 100% of my donation goes to the organization that I choose rather than only 10-30% — the rest of my donation, the bulk of it ironically, goes to the fundraising organizations that are calling me! I have been on the warpath regards scammers & spammers who call my landline ALL THE TIME. Gah! Bah! Booooooo!

    • daisy

      I used to walk dogs for the Humane Society and no kill animal shelters.

    • Frodis73

      QBird made a great point. Local, local, local. Closer to home is usually better it seems as long as you vet them as much as possible.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF)
      Planned Parenthood

    • Frodis73

      Jan reminded me. If your annoyed with the direction the country is headed the ACLU is always a good cause, but especially now.

    • Juicer77

      Children’s HopeChest
      They sponsor children but support the community as a whole in doing so. Ripple effect.
      rating here: https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=8290

      ETA: local charities are awesome, too. Props to my home congregation for opening the building as a homeless shelter during recent snowstorms. They’re part of a group of churches that do this in rotation, so it evens out the responsibility between congregations and can benefit more people.

  • Frodis73

    I just read today’s post again and it was just as good as when I read it this morning! I love when TO gets into something longer like this.

  • Frodis73

    Ot-But I know most of you will laugh at the irony. She is one of t6hose people that supported the Leopard’s Eating People’s Faces Party and is now asking why they are talking about coming to eat her face.

    https://twitter.com/Caitlyn_Jenner/status/834935434144731136

    • Missionary Kid

      There are Log Cabin Republicans, (who are, IMO, in a party that has a large anti-gay contingent) but Caitlyn being transgender is unacceptable to a majority of Republicans. She’s now on the other side of their intolerance.

      • Frodis73

        Yes, I just do not get how any gay person can be a log cabin republican as te GOP is pretty obvious on where tey stand. Not all of course, but the majority.
        I remember there was an ep of her show were I guess they were discussing her supporting trump. Gag. They told her this would happen…

        • Missionary Kid

          The only thing worse for her would have been that she was black. Well, maybe not. Republicans like to point them out so they can say, “See, we’re not prejudiced.”

          I can understand how a person can be a Log Cabin R. They choose to only identify with the staunch Republican conservative values, and to ignore the guys in the white sheets.
          At least, at the CPAC meeting, they threw out a white supremacist.

          • Frodis73

            Yes, like when trump famously said “hey, look at my African American”! Facepalm.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I can’t understand,MK. But I’m sure you, “have a wider stance” in the men’s room than me. I hope you know what I’m refering to and I’m just funning with yah.

            • Missionary Kid

              I got the reference. Thanks. 😀

          • redfisch

            No, at CPAC, they threw out a public advocate of pedophilia. White supremacy is well within their borders. A person who supports sex between boys and men, replayed a trillion times on the internets, not so much.

            • Missionary Kid

              They threw out Richard Spencer. Google it.

            • redfisch

              Wow, I did not know that. Thanks for the info, MK. I thought that you were referring to Milo, whose public support for pedophilia was a bridge too far for CPAC, but not his position as a spokesperson for the alt-right (which, imho, is a too mild and nondescript name for neo-Nazis).

            • Missionary Kid

              CPAC just got rid of one of the worst, but Trump & his crowd is filled with quite prejudiced people who aren’t going to go after the other bomb throwers.

              In Bannon and Miller’s mind, government is evil, and they’re looking forward to Armageddon, because that’s a sing that Jesus is coming.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Funny, I did an internship in DC. and truly the whole place is run(day to day operations) by Gay people. I was young and could never figure it out. I had an in by coming from a High School that happened to be in one of the least populated states in the nation. At the time I hadn’t been around many Gay people. Seriously, it might as well have been Hollywood. Stranger was the fact when you’d find out some would be from the far right. And it wasn’t like they were hiding it.

        • MarcabExpat

          The GOP is based on selfishness, and anybody can be selfish. And if your selfishness is the primary part of your personality, well, I reckon you can rationalize consorting with people who don’t respect you, because in your mind, they just don’t respect you YET.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      OK, time for me to start twittering. I’ve had it with, @Caitlyn_Jenner. Our own Bunkerite (Kate Borstein) tried to explain to her that there are certain things you can’t coverup with makeup. But she insisted on being an idiot and shunning Hillary and mocking her, on her short lived docudrama of hired LGBT friend’s. But just as Bruce was shocked his blue collar buddies didn’t want to drive over to her house and play drones after she transitioned, Kaitlyn refused to take advice from a real “Gender Outlaw”. In his deep raspy voice and new double D’s she’d quip while playing tennis.”Now I know why you girls wear sports bras.” Must have said it three times as E! turned her into a freak show. But she insisted on touting the virtues of the old Republican guard that had been terrible to these trans people who had been tormented mentally and physically for years. Stupid Jenner I hope she goes broke. Kate B, I hope you made some good money putting up with that snotty, social climber, Fuck Jenner!

    • MarcabExpat

      Oh lord, I can’t stand the sound of her pompous voice. Caitlyn: WHY YOU SURPRISED

  • Alex De Valera

    The triumph of love against sheer evil.

  • daisy

    Scientology joke on Seth Myers.

    • Jimmy3

      LOL good one

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ll TIVO it. He doesn’t come on here for another hour and a half. His Trump material is pretty good, as well.

      • daisy

        He is as good as John Oliver.

        • Missionary Kid

          Seth’s writing and performance on SNL Weekend Update prepared him for the stand-up on his present show.

          I won’t compare him to Oliver because I like them both. Oliver has a week or better to get ready. Seth has to do it 5 times a week. I have switched my allegiance at the 11:35 hour from Jimmy Fallon to Colbert, but if it’s a good news day, I’ll TIVO all three shows. I’ve heard Jimmy Kimmel come off with some great jabs at Trump as well. He’s not on live this week because he’s rehearsing for the Oscars.

          • daisy

            We watch the same shows. I didn*t mean to compare shows so much as to outline how good Seth is .I love Jimmy K. as well. John O is so good and it is very educational as well. I loved the show when Seth had John O. as a guest .

          • daisy

            You are right , apples and oranges .

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Please do MK.

        • Missionary Kid

          I did, but I haven’t watched it yet.

  • daisy

    Well Tony , METHINKS it is time for bed , good night .

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Just having a chance now to read today’s post and wow, another stunner by Tony. It would be depressing except for the uplifting fact that it illustrates how clams continue to drive away existing clams at an accelerated pace by insane sec checking and declaring long time, highly trained and committed $cientologists via comm evs and Kangaroo Courts. So clamworld is shrinking at a rapid clip and at their own hand, and that’s a wonderful thing to behold.

  • Tiggerific

    Quailynn says she got a surprise from Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis after she and Paul went to New Orleans for a short vacation.

    “This was before Katrina. We went down there and we went to the bars,” she says. “When we got back, Tommy Davis told us that because we had gone to New Orleans and spent time in the clubs, we didn’t qualify anymore to spend time with Tom Cruise. Tom was so ‘pure’ he had never even been to a strip club, Tommy said. And he seemed to believe it,” she says. “By going to New Orleans, we had tainted ourselves.”

    Tom Cruise just filmed a Jack Reacher movie in… New Orleans.

    • MarcabExpat

      It’s ok, I’m sure he didn’t have a good time.

  • piper

    The thrill, the spill, the schill. Now you get to chill and appreciate the finer points of life away from the lies and distractions. Your feisty spirits saved you! May you have much peace and joy !

  • Bavarian Rage

    Thank you for sharing your deeply moving life story. It stirs so many emotions… A very important chapter in the book of recovering exes’ experiences.

    Also I so appreciate your specific examples of how celebrities are given the white glove treatment. Of course we all know it’s happening, but concrete details offer 3D clarity.

    Wishing your family freedom, joy, peace, love, and reconnection with family one day. May speaking out be another piece of your healing.

  • Shivani33

    Thanks to the McDaniels for telling of so many of their experiences. What a Valentine’s day gift from Lawrence Wright’s book and a snowy night! What a beautiful chance to find themselves strong and on the same page, and it must have been an incredible relief. As hard as it is to go through layer after layer of self-examination and to move out of a cult’s riptide, that final picture of the McDaniels together says so much. There they are, without Scientology casting its shadow or blocking them from the light. They can feel the sun on their backs again.

    For no particular reason, this reminds me of the story of Diogenes and how he walked around during the daylight, searching and shining his lantern. When asked why he was using his lantern during the brightness of day, he replied that he was looking for an honest man. Now the McDaniels have put a very beautiful lantern in their window. Others will keep feeling the impact, from seeing that light.

    Oh, and Tony Ortega’s Underground Bunker hit this one out of the park with the bases loaded, and the story is rich with details. There’s a lot here to attract a wide variety of attention. You never know what can be the last straw for someone who has been thinking about getting free from some helluva rotten situation, whether it’s Scientology or any number of other things. I’m hitting that Recommend spot again.

    • Vault Digger

      There’s some interesting translation going on by Google:

      “A police officer detonates the arsonist.”

      “Alleged motive: hate for the controversial psycho-organization!”

      How long until Scientology tries to blame this on a certain celebrity defector?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It was just those silly Sea Arghhhers trying to light three cigs on a match. And Gom Osa turns it into a publicity stunt for the underdog, Way to spin it. I put it through Google bullshit detector.(beta)

        • while performing fair exchange

    • Juicer77

      Yikes. As much as I dislike the abuses caused by the Co$, no one wants to see this kind of craziness going on. People could get hurt, and it’s a crime.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        You’re up early Juice. “What are your crimes”?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Last I heard, it’s not a crime in the UK to go to the pub at noon 😉

          • she is a woman?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Women in the UK are allowed to the pub as well.

              Srsly – you didn’t know Juicer is a Lady?

            • Ohh a Lady – sure! But once it was not allowed for a woman to go to the pub

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Yes, I remember those times fondly. And no womens vote either. It used to be just men roaming the streets with wooden clubs in their hands, whacking sabre-tooth tigers about the head.

            • Good old days and bagpipes in the distance

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Ahhhh… Good times *smiles, and stares blankly into the distance*

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              😛

            • MarcabExpat

              Really good how they’re extinct now, it was murder getting the poop out of the cobblestones.

        • someone squeezed the living pulp out of her 🙂

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I see what you did there.

            • 🙂 It came from my fingers all of a sudden

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Some of the best jokes do 🙂

        • Juicer77

          Hee hee XD

    • 900 hmm!

      “By the way, Scientology has around 900 members in Baden-Württemberg. Georg Spielberg of Baden-Württemberg’s constitutional protection: “We observe the organization because it is directed to override the liberally democratic basic order. It is noticeable that Scientologists often appear as members of supposed relief organizations. Scientology has its most dense structures in Germany in Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria. “

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      There were people in that building. What a reckless and idiotic thing to do.

      • Yes! and he was an idiot before that

    • MarcabExpat

      WOW. Dude, leave the crimes to the criminals!

      Wonder what the backstory to this will turn out to be. Angry ex, hoodlum or mentally ill?

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, newbies and lurkers and under-the-radars. There’s plenty of room on the Bunkercouch, just scooch on over. f5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/179579e11bb943b1131d44ac12a2bde2a0424073c1097ea98455df2cb418fcc7.jpg

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Morning, Juicer! Hurricane Doris has passed by en route to ravage eastern Europe and today is filled with sunshine and smells of Spring. I hope your neck of the woods is also glorious 🙂

    • Ann B Watson

      Juicer, I love that Cat and you. 😍😻

      • Juicer77

        xoxo

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  • Sabrina

    I followed this link from Twitter, I’m not sure if this is supposed to be a private page or not, but it’s open thru twitter. I read the story because it was interesting, I really don’t know much about scientology but sounds like something I don’t want to be a part of…
    Anyhoo, If this page is supposed to be hidden, unfortunately something went wrong. Good luck to all escapees of this religion.

    • Observer

      It’s open. Welcome!

  • Mymy88

    Amazing. Utterly amazing.