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First look inside Tom Cruise’s Clearwater double penthouse — and Scientology is not happy!

[Clay Irwin checks out the view from the Cruise penthouse]

Yesterday, we got our first look inside Tom Cruise’s still-under-construction double penthouse atop a building in downtown Clearwater, Florida thanks to a local business owner who took an impromptu tour of the construction site and recorded it for the rest of the world to see.

Clay Irwin is becoming a very visible figure in Clearwater, which has been plagued by its association with the Church of Scientology and its “Flag Land Base” that takes up much of the local property. Because of Scientology’s presence, the downtown area is mostly a ghost town and has had a hard time attracting new business.

But then, in December, Irwin opened The Lucky Anchor, an Irish sports pub right on Cleveland Street in the middle of the base, betting that his watering hole would buck the trend and help bring back some life to the area.

 

 
Just down the street from his pub, at the corner of Osceola Avenue, is the Skyview, the condo rehab project we told you about that’s owned by a wealthy Mexican Scientologist, Moises Agami, who submitted new plans for the building that will turn its ninth and tenth floors into a super-deluxe double penthouse. Our sources learned that the Church of Scientology had admitted to a local developer that the penthouse had been purchased by actor Tom Cruise.

Irwin says he was aware of that news, and a couple of weeks ago some of the workers from the project site were drinking in his bar when he asked them about Cruise’s condo.

“I’ll give you a tour if you want to go up there,” one of the workers told him. So Irwin went with the man, who he says had legal access to the work site.

“I got a tour of the whole complex,” Irwin says. “Oh god, he’s got an infinity pool that’s amazing. His master bedroom plans are incredible.”

In the video, you can see him standing by what is going to be the pool, with an impressive view to the west over the intracoastal and the bridge to the coastal strip of Clearwater.

Broadcasting live on Facebook at the time, Irwin walked around the penthouse, pointing out how spacious the rooms will be. He had his dog with him at the time, and he joked about his dog taking the first piss in Cruise’s condo.

“That was just a joke. My dog is very well trained,” he says.

Irwin told us that during the tour, the construction worker told him that one of the bedrooms was set aside for Cruise’s mother, Mary Lee South.

Irwin was unaware that in the time since he had taken the tour, Ms. South, 80, had passed away.

We told him that in our previous story we had discovered plans not only for the infinity pool and other amenities on the ninth and tenth floors, but also a private 9-car garage with car elevator next to the building that will be attached by a private air bridge. Irwin told us he toured that site as well, and that construction was moving quickly. “Work on the garage is going fast now. You can see a big difference almost every week,” he says.

“We’re all excited that he’s coming here,” Irwin says about Cruise. “I’ve never met him but I’m looking forward to it.”

 

[An artist’s rendition of what the Skyview will look like after renovation]

 
We asked him if he hopes Cruise will stop in at The Lucky Anchor for a drink. “I’m putting a special wine list in for him and the other celebrities. I’ll have some choice stuff,” he says.

Irwin says he has had good relations with the Church of Scientology since he took a chance on opening a business amid the Flag Land Base. “It was a little scary at first. But once I found out they’re good people and the city is excited about me being here, I’ve had no problems. You just have to network and advertise and educate people about the whole situation.”

Irwin’s video sat on Facebook mostly unnoticed for two weeks until one of our readers spotted it yesterday and shared it, tagging us. Soon, another of our readers had posted the video in our comments section here at the Underground Bunker. We then tracked down Irwin’s number and gave him a call.

After our phone conversation yesterday afternoon, Irwin removed the video from his Facebook page. Later, we heard from him through Facebook messenger.

“The church just asked me to take down the video,” he messaged us.

Irwin told us that shortly after our phone call, a man came to his bar who said he was with the Church of Scientology and called himself Patrick. We sent him a photograph of longtime Scientologist Patrick Valtin, and Irwin confirmed that he was the man who came to his bar. Irwin said Valtin watched him take the video down from his Facebook page.

 

[Patrick Valtin]

 
Irwin wondered why Valtin and the church suddenly cared about the video, since it had been online for two weeks. We told him it was probably because the video had showed up in the comments section of this website.

We also pointed out to him that the Skyview is not owned by Scientology. But Valtin made sure that Irwin removed the video anyway.

By the time Irwin had taken down the video, however, it had been mirrored a couple of times. Here it is if you haven’t already seen it.

 

 
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‘Squeeze My Cans’ hits the road!

 

 
The very talented Cathy Schenkelberg is once again performing her highly praised one-woman show about her trip into and out of Scientology, Squeeze My Cans, and she’s building up an ambitious tour that she hopes to extend, with some surprises along the way.

Among her plans are to take Squeeze to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival in August. To help her plans materialize, she started a fundraising effort online, and we encourage you to go there and learn more about her show.

Here’s her schedule so far…

Currently running through March 12
Greenhouse Theater Center, Chicago
greenhousetheater.org

March 30-April 2
Stageworks Theatre, Tampa
1120 E.Kennedy Blvd
West Building #151
813-374-2416
stageworkstheatre.org

April 7-9
Bongo After Hours Theatre, Nashville
bongoafterhourstheatre.com

May 3-6
12 Peers Theater, Pittsburgh
412-626-6784 | info@12peerstheater.org
12peerstheater.org/2017-season

May 31-June 4
St Louis Actors Studio, St. Louis
stlas.org

 

 
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Bunker community note

We have heard from Longtime Lurker, who has had some difficulties but says he is coming back to the site soon.

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,671 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,268 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,308 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,020 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 487 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,605 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,775 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,095 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,070 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 426 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,728 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 835 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,237 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,110 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 691 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,196 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,440 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,549 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on February 22, 2017 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Sherbet

    OT, rather, topic from the other day: The New York Times agreed (with Tony and others) that Bill Maher was too gentle with Milo Yiannopoulos last week. Maher is taking credit for exposing Milo’s dark side…which seems to be all of Milo’s sides…and causing his fall from tenuous grace.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/bill-maher-faulted-for-booking-milo-yiannopoulos-takes-credit-for-his-fall/ar-AAnd4gG?ocid=U142DHP

    • flyonthewall

      what a couple of assholes. He exposed him by kissing his ass and fawning over him? What gall Maher has.

      • Observer

        That’s why I have no interest in anything he does. I couldn’t even bring myself to watch Leah on his show.

        • flyonthewall

          Just ran across this gem. It’s him arguing that mentally handicapped children are similar to dogs.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe57F77ZKIs

          • Observer

            Not gonna watch. I have to deal with enough real-life jackasses.

            • Sherbet

              I watched with no sound and just read the Closed Captioning. That way, I didn’t have to hear Maher bray.

          • Frodis73

            Ugh. I had not heard about this. I love his movie Religulous and some of his stances on things, but this is disgusting.

          • Sherbet

            Sarah Ferguson tried to give Maher an education about the word. But, no, he went for the cheap laughs.

            • flyonthewall

              I am guilty of using it but never to describe people who are actually mentally handicapped. Maybe that isn’t better idk

            • Sherbet

              I don’t use it, along with lots of other terms that have been PCed out of the vocabulary — with good reason.

            • JJ

              Worked with the developmentally disabled. They were nine times out of ten the kindest most gentle people I have ever met. I don’t think low “IQ” is the way to go for solving the troubles of the world, but there sure is a lot of pettiness and mean spiritedness that comes with higher intelligence.

            • Gflded

              Its’s not…sorry. Special Education teach…when you use it to demean someone you are saying they are less then. Peeps with a disability are not less then..ever. 😫

            • Sherbet

              I really like your avatar.

            • Gflded

              Thanks! I keep pushing it…nothing yet!!

            • Gflded

              Thanks! I keep pushing it! Nothing yet!

        • flyonthewall

          I was never into him, not bc I objected to him or whatever, he just never interested me so I was pretty much unaware of him. Now I hate him.

          • Observer

            He thinks he is really, really important.

            • flyonthewall

              yes, I can see the self importance just dripping from him. I don’t get how he could be appealing in any way

        • Fortunately it turned up on YouTube as different videos.

      • funny, it was actually Joe Rogan’s podcast that did him in
        https://youtu.be/TZ42rSyp7BQ?t=3m13s

        • flyonthewall

          Jesus. Saying this guy has issues would be the ultimate understatement. Now my blood is getting all angry.

          • go watch GG Allin’s Hated to relax, and remember … we’ve been through this before

            • Frodis73

              Snort.

          • Frodis73

            Yes, he certainly does. I also have a prediction on him. He will write another tell all book or something denouncing his right wing views, etc. Quite a few years off, but it will happen. He’s only 24 or something now, but when he makes peace with his abuse, learns to love himself and the fact that he is gay, he will come around…and try to make $ off of it.

            • he’s 33 and it’s 14:59 on the Unofficial Milo’s Expiration Date Counter but i don’t doubt for that one last second that he will attempt what you wrote

            • Frodis73

              Oops, I wonder why I thought he was that young? Oh well. I still think he will follow that path. So glad his time is almost up though.

            • Robert Eckert

              Because his mental age is 15?

            • flyonthewall

              if he’s not in jail or sued into the stone age. I bet within 2wks we’ll hear from one or more of his victims. Nobody wants to listen to what a pedophile has to say

            • Frodis73

              True, I have heard hints of this already actually.

            • flyonthewall

              the plot thickens

            • Maybe. I predict his next book will be called “j/k”

        • JJ

          If he wants to be a provocateur saying lets have sex with children is a good start. But like shock comedy, what do you have afterwards? It was never wit to begin with. Gay Nazi’s they do exist. It is interesting he is so anti PC when people who decided it was not OK to mock people for any reason would stand up against people calling him a faggot. Not the same thing? One’s individual prejudices never are, are they?

          • I think I get what you’re saying. To me, he seems like a semi-grownup “club kid” that fried himself on ecstacy, needs constant attention, and says things just to get a rise out of people. Somehow, he was elevated to poster boy for the anti-PC crowd. What a mess.

    • Schadenfreude, or what? πŸ˜‰ Yiannopoulos was a disaster waiting to happen. The amazing thing is he lasted as long as he did on your side of the pond without being caught out; Maher was merely the incidental means. The main thing is this poisonous twank will soon be reduced back down to hawking the brown on the Dilly, or whatever it was he did before leaving the UK. 3:)

      • Sherbet

        It’s a sad commentary on what celebrity means. I thought there was supposed to be some sort of admiration built into the term. But then came the Kardashians, Real Housewives, Duggar family…and Milo.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Milo’s fifteen minutes of fame were up, so if his public support for pedophilia hadn’t taken him down, it would have been something else.

      Frankly, I was just relieved to note there is at least one level of depravity that these alt right folks will not try to excuse or defend!

      • grundoon

        They didn’t see any problem with Donald Trump spying on underage girls as they changed clothes in his beauty pageant dressing rooms.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Reagan was the “teflon” president, but Twump is our first “slime” president…nothing stuck to either one, but for very different reasons.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Oh brother.

  • Panopea Abrupta
  • I bet Jimmy3 or some other rascal from The Bunker was like – oh yeah, I’m a construction worker there, want a tour? Joking, I think.

    • Juicer77

      It was me. I part-time in Clearwater. The commute is god-awful.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Could you give me an estimate on an extension I’m about to put in?

        • Juicer77

          I can’t measure in Norwegian. Sry. Plus I hear you have a zombie cat. No can do, buddy. πŸ˜‰

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I pay in cider. And it’s a rabies cat, not zombie – …not that that’s reeeally any better, I guess.

            • Juicer77

              XD

      • I so knew it! You hot construction worker you!

        • Juicer77

          LOL!

  • Susan B.

    Rutube. Is this another opportunity for “rue the day” humor? I can be applied to Cruise and Miscabbage, right?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ee90ecf746f5873dd436d82e9ca534ffe82398a4307e7f5b23778f76f50ea8c.png

  • valshifter

    This is good and all but so sad the guy that let Clay in will lose his job and probably his whole company might lose the contract, Scientologist are so vengeful he doesn’t realize what he did, and the guy at the bar will be harassed and watched like a criminal to no end, investigated till they find something dirty to ruin his reputation, or post on a hate website, people coming in to drink recording his conversations, scaring his costumers away, ughf! those psychos are a mess.

    • Username

      He should record every minute of it on put it on his new website… the lucky anchor, behind enemy lines. I bet he would get a lot of support as a wog friendly business and oasis in downtown Clearwater.

  • chukicita

    OT: I don’t think Scn will be happy about this, either. Reported today locally:

    The Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office has launched a new program aiming at getting people in mental health crisis connected to the help and services they need.

    –Mental Health Unit is made up of two teams
    –Each team is made up of a Pinellas deputy and a mental health professional
    –Aim is to decrease chances of cases involving those mental health issues escalating

    The program is funded using grant money from the Bureau of Justice Assistance and the Smart Policing Institute.

    http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2017/2/20/mental_health_expert.html

    • Frodis73

      This is good for CW, but you’re right as I am sure sci is not happy about this. All city PD’s need to change and get a lot more training on dealing with the mentally ill.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      This is wonderful news for the county. Now they just need to hold strong in the face of pressure from Scientology to deprive all mentally ill people of the care they need.

  • Sylvie Harp

    In an inadvertent irony, poor celebrity-blinded Clay has labeled the new Tom Cruise digs as “sick”. It is that…

    • iampissed

      Forever to be known as the SICK SHACK.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    https://youtu.be/vX5jnV7igw0?t=75
    Allright, allright! I’ll take it down!

  • Mockingbird

    Good ecclesiastical censorship filled day Bunkeroos.

    My question for Scientology is who the fuck are you to tell someone that is not a Scientologist to take down a video that isn’t your property ? I wish I had been there to give the agent Scientology sent a message for David Miscavige and company. Scientology acts like a bully because it was ultimately a vehicle for Hubbard to bully people and avoid consequences.

    That’s it. He wanted to assume authority illegitimately and be free to bully people and avoid consequences for it. You either obey or get crushed.

    Tom Cruise cannot have the illusion of his godhood shattered by the reality that he is as human as anyone else so Scientology will bully people for him. Fuck that.

    • JJ

      That has got to be a pretty thick or deeply held illusion.

      • Mockingbird

        Probably both

  • Frodis73
    • Sherbet

      That is…I don’t even have a word for what that is.

      • Frodis73

        IKR? I mean, I thought chiro’s had to take anatomy classes? Lol. Hell, so many women don’t even understand how their own body works, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

        • Sherbet

          I would think just about every woman understands enough to know that GLUEING her lady parts together is a bad idea.

          • Frodis73

            Yes, but I was referring to the many that do not know we ave two holes types, to be blunt. Unfortunately, I have run into more than a few in my life.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, gosh, that’s scary. I was part of the “Our Bodies, Ourselves” generation. (Don’t be fooled by my use of the term “lady parts” above.)

            • Frodis73

              My mom was a big feminist and that book was more like a bible in our house than any other. Isn’t that scary as hell?? Sad too actually. You should see the look of confusion on their faces when you ask them (if they use tampons that is) “well how do you think you pee then”? Then you have to give them biology lessons after that exchange.

    • MarcabExpat

      WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    When Tom Cruise approached we in RTC for permission to move into a luxo condo near the base, we had serious concerns and reviewed the blueprints. The critical change we ordered developer Moises Agami to make was to lengthen the curb in order to accommodate two Sea Org buses. Tom Cruise is going to need a lot of Sea Org staff to keep his condo clean, cook his meals, do his laundry, provide security, spy on him, etc. The new architectural drawing below has been approved and signed off by COB.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1dec1a0f26bb157f87d3338f6a065e7921c27b2ee0dfc53107b0354843200532.png

    • Sherbet

      That looks like one of those trompe l’oeil buildings that’s really flat but has fake recesses and balconies painted on to appear 3-dimensional. You know — like a science-based religion that’s really nothing but fake research and beliefs slapped on to appear real.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Sherbet, you’re not really saying anything here that would hurt our feelings as all of Scientology is done in the style of Trompe L’oeil.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0aec8530439cdde9db969deda9885657d4ff39e557d6491a3811fdd6a8c6d8e3.jpg

      • TrishRan

        To me it looks like some apartment complexes recently put up in my town that are make of particle board and caulk.

        • Elegant Mess

          Ugh the ones near me are going for over a million each. Over a million for a townhouse! Smh.

          • TrishRan

            That doesn’t mean they’re well-constructed.

            • Elegant Mess

              Not well at all! I toured them during a recent open house and was horrified at how cheaply they were made. I know I’m in a “popular” neighborhood, but seriously, how is a first time home buyer like me not supposed to throw my hands up in defeat and just walk away when faced with that type of price/quality? Its frustrating, yo!

            • TrishRan

              See, that’s why I was so happy when we found a 1920, 348 sq ft house with a nice big yard. The realtor was talking to us like he expected us to tear it down.

    • TrishRan

      I don’t want to sound paranoid, but I’d rather do all my house work, laundry, yardwork, grocery shopping, cooking, catbox-emptying, than have my house full of people doing those things for me while looking for reasons to tattle on me, each other and their families.

      And even if it weren’t an army of trained tattletales, I don’t think my conscience could stand having that work done for me by people making $50 a week.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        TrishRan, you have a misunderstood. COB is providing Sea Org help because he cares so very deeply about Tom Cruise and what Tom wants and needs. For example, when Mr. Cruise’s underpants are ironed, and he does want them ironed, he wants them only lightly starched. Moreover, the starch may not contain any rose scent or perfume. Who except the Sea Org can handle such important matters? Who? Some wog dry cleaner who doesn’t care? And what of Mr. Cruise’s need to have the windows in his condo washed per LRH policy? Do you think any wog window washers actually know how to use newspaper to clean windows? No they don’t. KSW therefore demands that Sea Org take care of Mr. Cruise per policy. If this involves some KR’s or tattling then Mr. Cruise expects that as part of being a Scientologist. That is why he wrote KR’s on Katie Whatshername who dramatized her O/W’s and hidden crimes against Tom Cruise by fleeing from their marriage several years ago rather than routing out and being sec checked to an F/N.

        COB cares deeply for you as well Trish. COB is a great humanitarian who only wants to help you. And that is why he is hiding in the bushes outside of your home right now. He just wants to make sure you are safe.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a63092389718675dc6d4884a4e2e564e13fc869c93561eabc88aab5aad08f15f.jpg

        • TrishRan

          Tom Cruise’s underpants. Thanks for the visual. eewwww

    • JJ

      And the buses are…?

  • Username

    If Tom Cruise wasn’t such a prick, he should just laugh it off and invite his new neighbor over for a game of hide and seek…but alas…he is.

    • Tom might not even know about this little “flap”.

      • Username

        I assume he will eventually know if he doesn’t already and I’m sure his reaction will not be kind given his other comments about degraded beings. I use to give him the benefit of the doubt… but no more.

    • Mick Roberts

      Mr. Irwin, if you are invited over to hang with TC, please just make damn sure you know where the cookie dough is at all time. You can take Leah Remini’s word for that one……

      • Username

        …and do not give him a chipped mug as a house warming gift.

  • Jgg2012

    Why doesn’t Cruise just move into the Super Powers Building?

  • Observer

    I sure hope Tom’s new kitchen has sufficient cookie stuff storage.

    • April

      And that the designated cabinet or drawer is clearly labeled “cookie stuff” so that he can find it easily.

  • seriouslyWTF

    OT. Does anyone know where I can find book club questions for The Unbreakable Miss Lovely?

    • maybe something on reddit.com – best guess!

    • April

      I don’t think that any book club questions exist for TUML.

  • RK

    If Tom Cruise knows how to be a good neighbor, he should have the guy over to see the place, once it is finished. It is up to him, how he wants to be viewed by people in the community, outside of the fawning from Scientologists.

    • Sherbet

      Pretty big “If” there.

    • People like TC hire PR firms to tell him how to appear to be a good neighbour without actually having to mix with the hoi polloi. They don’t actually do it.

      • RK

        His loss. I would love to go hang out in the guy’s bar. Friendly, easy going guy.

        • I imagine you miss out on a lot of other things, when you hire people to live you life for you.

  • Jimmy3

    This reminds me of the time I moved in to an annex at my church, only I don’t think they knew I was actually living there. I used to sleep with my hands folded so it looked like I was deep in prayer, and no one ever cared to interrupt me. Then I’d wake up and light a bunch of candles in my room.

    • flyonthewall
      • Jimmy3

        Well that was partly why I moved in. You see, I’m actually a Highlander, but that doesn’t mean I want to die. That’s just not what I’m about. So I realized if i never left church I could just wait it out til the others off each other or die of natural causes or whatever.

        • flyonthewall

          That’s a good plan. I wonder if I’m a Highlander too? I prob am, I have a beard and my neck is wobbly like a baby’s. No wait, I’m just strokin’ out, nevermind

        • flyonthewall

          Nice. I can’t remember the last time I saw this. Time for a rewatch

          • I always like the guns that were fueled with calcium carbide like a miners lantern.

    • TrishRan

      When I was in convent school, I discovered that the chapel was the best place to hide out, as no one used it, not even the nuns who lived on the campus full time.

  • PODCAST: Leah Remini speaks with Ru Paul and Michelle Visage about Scientology and The Aftermath.

    https://soundcloud.com/rupaul/episode-85-leah-remini-returns

    In this episode Ru and Michelle are again joined by Leah Remini. They discuss scientology, her show Scientology and the Aftermath, spousal bathroom etiquette, and helping people.

  • o/t: please, excuse me, dear leaders of the ASC: Bunker Divison. would it be possible to revise the abbreviation/acronym TR-L to TR-UMP? i know it’s 2 extra letters and will potentially lower our club’s stats but i have my reasons. thank you in advance for your consideration.

    eti – for reference: http://www.stonekettle.com/

    • Id like to shortn tht to TRY-TRUMP – TRILU!

    • BlueHeronBay
    • kemist

      Mmmmm…

      If you can find a sufficiently funny acronym for UMP, that would be worth two extra letters.

    • Frodis73

      Fianlly got around to reading this. Brilliant take down. We are in so much deep shit.

      • thx again for hipping me to that site. i don’t always agree with him, but he’s an informed (usually level-headed) voice of a retired military officer and i respect/enjoy what he writes. his comments are very similar to what i was thinking the other day as i was reading the official transcript.

        • Frodis73

          I also really enjoy his writing. Might not agree always, but I definitely have a lot of respect for his opinion and information regarding military stuff. My fav is still that essay about just what is it about America that you do love.
          In the one you linked to I loved the part where he wrote something like ‘at this point I was reduced to screaming and throwing things at the tv’. -Lol! Yep, that was exactly how it went down at my house too!
          Btw, the other night on Charlie Rose they ran an old interview with trump. It was from 1992. OMFG. I know we say that a lot about him, but seriously. It was scary to see the HUGE difference in trump between then and now. He was still an idiot in love with himself that spoke with a limited vocab, but he was at least coherent. It is seriously troubling. A lot of people have said he reminds them of somebody with early Alzheimer’s and after seeing that interview, it is an even more strong possibility that that is what is going on. Part of it anyway. Something is going on for sure and it is not good for us.
          I was actually going to ask if anybody else had seen that, but decided not to.

          • i keep writing and deleting responses. i don’t even know what to say about any of this, anymore (especially as a comment here), so it’s probably best that i stop picking at it. i think we understand each other and that’s good enough for me. hope you have a relaxing rest of your night!
            πŸ˜‰

            • Frodis73

              Gotcha! I understand, totally btw.

  • Duck you all

  • Is it cold in here?
    “Cryonics, or cryogenics, is the morbid process of freezing rich, dead people who can’t accept the concept of death, in the hopes that people from the future will be able to bring them back to life, and the community of hard-core cryonics people might also be a Scientology-like cult.”
    http://waitbutwhy.com/2016/03/cryonics.html

    • Liberated

      That’s the ultimate in extreme vanity…..people that think they’re too cool to die.

      The world was just fine before each of us got here and will be just fine after we’re gone.

      • “too cool to die” lol – you can freeze that down!

      • kemist

        I wonder if they sometime think about why people from the future would be interested in paying to reanimate some old geezer from a couple decades (or centuries) ago ?

        After a couple of defrosties, the novelty of laughing at people’s weird accents and social misadaptation would wear off, IMO.

        • Liberated

          Oh I know. So silly.

        • Also, even if you could be ‘repaired’ with some advanced nanotech in such a way that your memories and personality were restored, continuity would still have been broken.

          You would have died, before you were frozen. The person who was revived would be your twin, who shared your memories, but would actually been ‘born’ at the moment of revival.

          The people who fall for cryogenics are so enamoured of the technology that they overlook very basic flaws in the philosophy of the idea. The only way to achieve immortality is by not dying.

          Also, to think the world of the future would be a better place for having your clone in it is egotistical in the extreme.

          PS: there is a SF novel, “Heads” by Greg Bear, which in which a thinly disguised Hubbard, lacking the courage of his supposed convictions, has his head frozen in a lunar facility https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/heads/

        • OOkpik

          I feel the same way about Scientology’s vaults of Hubbard’s insane blatherings. Who would give a rat’s bazorkus about any of it except as a Source of temporary comic relief?
          Then again…umm, never mind.

    • Ben Franklin

      I don’t see the connection between Cryonics and Scientology.

      • Frozen Alcohol ?

      • kemist

        Thetans in glycol ?

        Maybe cryonics is a plot by Xenu to throw people’s thetans into volcanoes again.

      • Robert Eckert

        Primitive superstitious urge for personal immortality dressed up all scientificky.

        • Frodis73

          Did you get a chance to read the whole thing? It’s kind of long, but changed what I thought of it and the people that want to do it.

          • Robert Eckert

            I have a friend who was sucked into it and spends a lot of time trying to evangelize.

            • Frodis73

              That does suck.

    • Frodis73

      That was a really long and detailed article, but I found it fascinating and I learned stuff I did not know about cryonics. Thanks for sharing.

      • I have my own Slush-ice machine, so i know something about Cryo and some about being brain-death! :-O

        • Liberated

          What was the other thing you said you’d cut off your arm to have?

          I’ll see what I can do.

  • TrishRan

    Do Scientologists even drink wine? I thought they opposed all mind altering substances including alcohol.

    • MarcabExpat

      They can drink, but not while they’re trying to be “sessionable.” So that puts a damper on the party schedule.

      • Jimmy3

        I’m the exact opposite. I never audit before a party session.

        • iampissed

          Yea the audit would only kill the buzz.

        • MarcabExpat

          Well, that’s just sensible and hygienic.

    • Techie

      Well…Kirstie Ally drinks wine… Officially Hubbard said it was OK. The logic of it is not clear but one of the traditional events in the Sea Org is the “Beer and Cheese Party” right before Christmas. Of course the way things are going these days it is probably the “Rice and Beans Break Before the Traditional Christmas All-Nighter”.

      • Ann B Watson

        Techie, Wonderful image. Never had a Beer & Cheese Party back in the ancient days of Sea Org,Asho Fdn 74-78. I do remember peanut butter organic and strawberry jam on whole wheat bread for midnight rations and compared to the rest of my SO diet, that was pretty tasty. Of course I was quite the accomplished beans and dogs eater as it was that, coffee,and apples for months toward the end of my SO journey. πŸΊπŸ§€πŸžπŸ₯œπŸ“❀️

    • GrangerFX

      I am surprised the regs don’t get their marks liquored up before the squeeze.

      • Ann B Watson

        Thank you GrangerFX, Wish I had thought of that in my Sea Org regging days thankfully gone by. ❀️

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    How You Can Be a Genius! – Scientology London.

    https://www.evensi.uk/how-you-can-be-a-genius-scientology-london/200536812

    • kemist

      How can you be a genius ?

      Well, if you’ been reading anything with the title “The X Habits/Qualities/Whatever of a Genius”, congratulations, you’re already disqualified.

    • GrangerFX
    • Stuff IQ tests – by their fruits shall ye know them.

    • Graham

      Lorraine Bulger is being touted as a “Veteran Life Counsellor [who] has travelled internationally to help others achieve their goals in life.” No mention of qualifications or validating bodies; just some vague bullshit title.

      In fact her main “qualification” seems to be Operating Thetan VIII, which means she claims to have power over matter, energy, space and time and is gullible enough to have read the Xenu story and nevertheless still carried on spending vast amounts of time and money slogging on ‘up’ the Bridge to Total Serfdom.

      http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/l/lorraine-bulger.html

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Ooh, nice. I’m going to copy and comment on the site which is accepting Facebook comments πŸ™‚

  • Tony Ortega

    Ooh. Getting word that some of the bigs are jumping on this story. Let’s see how many acknowledge the poor guy who works out of a hole in the ground.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      We acknowledge you, Tony. You’re my favourite hole-dweller by far.

      • Ann B Watson

        I am with Andrea. I keep trying to acknowledge Tony and my posts get sucked into a giant wind machine and never seen again. I never thought I could be on The Bunker and Tony welcomed me. He may not know it, but one of my heroes for quite sometime. πŸ’›πŸ’›

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Have you tried setting your comments to Newest, lovely Ann? At the top of the comment feed you will see the “Sort by…” filter which allows you to sort the comments by Newest, Oldest or Best (I’ll attach a little picture to help you find it – you will need to refresh this page to see it).

          This way your comments appear at the top of the page – or right underneath the comment you are replying to. Let us know if your comments still seem to be vanishing πŸ™‚

          F5 (this also means “refresh”.)

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/345d74844268ec6e349e814c42c23250d735869e29c4a750a7da3c0624787488.jpg

          • Ann B Watson

            Thank all that is good for you Andrea! First off I thought F5 was some kind of secret code that meant you knew what you were doing online. Could not figure that out, thought it was an elevator floor icon! Lol.I think I have replies and newest on my notification page. Poor Disquis gets blamed by me for something not its fault. I will go and see what transpires. If I get stuck I will need your rescue! Love you Sweetheart. 😘

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Don’t be afraid to ask if you see any language you don’t understand, Ann. We’ve all been confused here, one time or the other.

            • Ann B Watson

              Thank you so much. Yes sometimes I feel silly asking about web language, but you make me feel much better about that. Plus I so enjoy reading your views. πŸ’›

            • iampissed

              Um…what.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Don’t ask me – I’m lost *scratches head*

            • chukicita

              Don’t worry, none of us were born understanding Disqus!

            • Ann B Watson

              Oh chukicita, Post of the day. πŸ’‹

            • grundoon

              Nor will we die understanding Disqus.

            • Ann B Watson

              Y’all are on fire today. Wonderful. πŸ’˜

            • Ann B Watson

              Andrea OK I found the little box above the comment feed and saw it had been on Newest the whole time! So I clicked it again, but you know gremlins got me all the time on Mike’s so who knows what they can get up to?! 😍

    • flyonthewall

      you may be subterranean and poor in money but you are rich in annoying smart aleck commenters

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Word.

      • Rasha

        Rasha prefers “smart aleck Auxiliary Content Provider”.

      • Observer

        Wait…Jimmy’s a CHUD?

        • flyonthewall

          don’t act surprised. We all knew, deep down

        • dungeon master

          I thought you meant CHODE. Lol! I had to look it up. Sometimes I crack myself up!

    • Jimmy3

      Hopefully none. Leave me and my sewer gator business out of this mess.

    • BaaadaBing

      Hi Davey!!! (waving insanely with a big old shit eating grin)
      Edit..PS if you send any goons to go through my garbage I put it out on Tuesday nights.

    • TexasBroad

      And for those that do – lets hope they get it right that you are the poor-guy-who-works-out-of-a-hole-in-the-ground.ORG!

    • This is wog’s ploy to invade and infiltrate Clearwater with non-scientologists.

    • GrangerFX
    • I was truly saddened, though I guess not surprised, by the fact “the bigs” did not pick up on the Louis Farrakhan / Nation of Islam / Scientology / Leah Remini story. I thought Leah might have a enough star power, and what Minister Farrakhan said was “interesting” enough (and not just about Scientology, that was almost the least of it), to warrant coverage. Instead, crickets. Unfortunately, Minister Farrakhan did not mention Tom Cruise. Damn.

      Since I’ve started trying to keep track of the media re: Scientology, I’ve been taken aback by the degree to which MSM coverage really is celebrity driven. A whiff of a Scientology story concerning Tom Cruise (even if fabricated) — massive coverage lasting days. Otherwise, not so much.

    • PeaceMaker

      Isn’t it Scientology’s old claim, that any publicity is good publicity for them?
      That cuts both ways now. Almost any publicity about Cruise’s personal life seems to reinforce his reputation as the weird adherent of a strange cult, and serves to further expose Scientology – and probably to drive inquisitive people to critical sites like this.
      I’m curious to see just what media outlets do with the part about Scientology monitoring the internet and sending in people to quash disclosures on behalf of Cruise. Sometimes it seems like important details get lost in the celebrity coverage, but I think that angle is strange enough to seem sensational and get picked up.
      And, yes, hopefully credit goes where it is deserved….

    • madame duran

      Enough of this “little guy working out of a hole in the ground” talk. WE ARE OPERATING A COTTAGE INDUSTRY NOW (‘cos Karin Pouw says so)!!!

      πŸ˜‰

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    UGH!

    “CLEARWATER, Fla., Feb. 21, 2017 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) —

    On Saturday the 25th of February, the Florida chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a mental health watchdog organization co-established by the Church of Scientology, will host an information booth at the Pierce Street Market, in downtown Clearwater in an effort to raise awareness on how the current implementation of the Baker Act is leading to the involuntary commitment of thousands of children in psychiatric institutions without the informed consent of their parents. CCHR also provides families with a Baker Act Non-Consent form which puts the child’s school on notice that the parents do not give permission for their child to undergo psychiatric examination or treatment.

    Diane Stein, President of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights of Florida headquartered in downtown Clearwater, said, β€œSince launching this campaign, CCHR has provided Florida families with almost 23,000 Baker Act Non-Consent forms and our goal is to double that number in the next few months.”

    Full press release:
    https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/02/22/926141/0/en/CCHR-Claims-Families-Rights-are-being-Eroded-by-the-Baker-Act.html

    • downtherabbithole

      Those buggers have a CCHR event in my neck of the woods on Saturday as well

    • Sherbet

      Way to exaggerate, CCHR: “A Baker Act is a means of providing individuals with emergency services and temporary detention for mental health evaluation and treatment when required, either on a voluntary or an involuntary basis.”

      Lisa McPherson could have used those services, but the church thought they had a better idea. I guess when the church is the one doing the involuntary commitment in a hotel room, it’s OK.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        They didn’t learn sh!t from the death of Lisa. They still think that they have the only cure for everything, and they’re trying to drag as many people as possible down with them. I’d like to see stats on how many people the Baker Act actually has helped.

        • Sherbet

          Exactly. And I’m wondering what small number of the 23,000 Baker Act Non-Consent forms actually are completed and submitted during this CCHR campaign.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I guess we have the number of active scientoologists right there – 23,000. They should be the only ones crazy enough to sign these forms.

            • Sherbet

              Chuckling.

            • They’ll have a bunch of fellow crazy travelers, scared of establishment medical treatment, drinking the conspiracy theories..

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          But “how many people the Baker Act actually has helped” is irrelevant. The CO$ only cares about helping the CO$ πŸ™

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            And they want to scare people into thinking that they have knowledge about psychiatry.

          • Sherbet

            Here’s a question: If non-scientologist parents have a child in crisis right now, maybe threatening suicide or harming others, what are the parents supposed to do, “read a book”? Drop in at a local Org, if there is one? Call Tom Cruise? Take a personality test?

            This is about emergency care, not some BS about lobotomies and injected psych drugs.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              If you have mental health issues they tell you that they can cure you. First thing they do is get you to stop seeing your doctor/mental health professional and refer you to a clam nutritionist/chiro quack who gets you off your meds and onto their high priced vitamins. Next is the purif and auditing. A recipe for disaster but very lucrative for all clams involved. They are dangerous scum.

            • Sherbet

              I know. It’s all garbage. Probably a lot of people in the Bunker know of friends or family who had some sort of crisis and had to be confined to a facility temporarily. Even if scientology’s BS courses and treatment plans were helpful, they don’t address an emergency.

        • Observer

          I’d like to see stats on how many deaths have been caused by the standard application of Lafayette’s “tech.”

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I wouldn’t, but I sure would like to send it to the government.

          • Or stats on the number of people that had mental breakdowns of some kind and were quickly and quietly dumped back on their family, friends, the system or the street.

    • This is a press release through a newswire service. It’s not a news organization reporting on Scientology, rather just an article written by CCHR being regurgitated on this site to make it available for legitimate news organizations to see. Which we don’t have any of anyway according to Trump.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I know – I’ve seen them before. Just posting a snippet here – maybe someone would like to go down on Saturday and have some fun with the clams.

        • I bet it would be a jolly good time. XD

    • Qbird

      Johnny Tank ~ u has drama today in your country today, off shore.
      good news.
      http://gcaptain.com/stricken-barge-carrier-in-danger-of-grounding-off-norway/
      Wind & Sea. Anchors drag, engine failure.
      Now this big girl’s got her ass end. in. the. wrong. spot.
      Rescue crews, amazing.

  • Kim O’Brien

    I am going to guess that Clay is on a shit list and months from now , we are going to read that he took a bunch of courses to make amends and is going to be a ” i’m not a scientologist but , ” person ….or his Irish Pub in gonna be closed . Or both .

    • Only Clay can sculpt his destiny..

      • flyonthewall

        if not, his name will be mud

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
          • flyonthewall

            I saw them do this song live. I had a head full of acid, they fuct me up. Les was wearing a pig mask, evil carnival stuff going on, was crazy

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Sounds like a blast.

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, I’m sorry I missed it.

            • flyonthewall

              go ahead and be sarcastic, I don’t care. The fact that I’m telling you I don’t care proves exactly how much I don’t care, which is zero. Zero cares for the meanies

            • Sherbet

              No, no. You were there. I see you on the security camera now.

            • Sherbet

              Are you sure? The whole concert might have been a hallucination.

            • flyonthewall

              then why did I have the bowl, Bart?

            • Sherbet

              Can you translate for someone who’s as substance-straight as I am?

            • flyonthewall
            • Sherbet

              Oh, THAT bowl. Thank you. I’ll be quiet now.

          • Sherbet

            I’d almost prefer to look at lrh’s teeth.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            God, I love Primus.

    • Jimmy3

      God made man of clay
      Cob made clam of Clay

      • flyonthewall

        you made a tongue twister

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    That Cruise-condo video will be helpful to Miscavige when he demands a condo of equal or greater size with the same amenities as Cruise’s condo. After all he is number 1 and Cruise is only number 2. (Although, Cruise and Miscavige shouldn’t brag about those numbers in front of any ten year old, they tend to have a different interpretation of numbers 1 and 2.)

  • Joe

    I feel like most Scientologists would be chided for drinking regularly. “If you have money to spend on alcohol, you have money to give to IAS, go up the bridge, donate for ideal orgs, etc.”

    Plus aren’t they supposed to not drink alcohol 24 hours before auditing or studying which is supposed to be every day?

    Clay, you’re better off peddling your booze to us degraded beings, we love the sauce.

    • Rasha

      Hear, hear.

  • What’sup
    • Jimmy3

      And we have a winner. We can all go home now. Well, not all of us. My spiritual Mecca pad is still being renovated. We ran out of duct tape.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I think I saw the duct tape on the front porch, heading towards infinity. You’ll never find it. It’s asymptotic.

  • Patrick Valtin, an employee of the Church of Scientology, asked for a video to be taken off of Facebook on behalf of Tom Cruise. Please explain to me how this is not inurement on the part of Cruise? Like unquestionably, this is inurement. 100%.

    • flyonthewall

      I asked my fancy lawyer friend about it and he says he doesn’t think it’s inurement

    • The inurement prohibition forbids the use of the income or assets of a tax-exempt organization to directly or indirectly unduly benefit an individual or other person that has a close relationship with the organization or is able to exercise significant control over the organization.

      Come on now. What the fuck IRS.

      • flyonthewall

        unless you’re counting Patrick as an asset, what income or assets of the org were used to benefit Cruise?

        Decking out his airplane hangar, SUVs and bikes ok but I don’t see how this is inurement and neither does my fancy lawyer friend

        • Observer

          Patrick is a brainwashed thrall, so yes, he’s an “asset”

          • flyonthewall

            he may be an ass but not an asset, least in the legal sense

          • flyonthewall

            Valtin isn’t even Sea Org or staff

            • Observer

              No, but he’s part of Stumblebum’s Army.

            • flyonthewall

              fancy lawyer friend says that dog won’t hunt

            • Observer

              Your fancy lawyer friend is a CHUD, isn’t he?

            • FredEX2

              Is that pronounced Vulcan?

      • FredEX2

        I’m still scratching my head about a ‘non-profit’ tax exempt organization owning 250 million ( did I get that right?) worth of buildings and property in Clearwater alone…not counting all the other property here in USA and worldwide. I mean, math was really never my strongest subject, but something seems amiss when a ‘non-profit’ appears to be so profitable…amazing to amass SO much ‘mest’…

        • John Prince

          I must say You’ve got a point there.. WHERE’S THE F-ING IRS WHEN YOU NEED THEM? ?

    • Jimmy3

      He came as a friend of Tom’s to politely ask that his friend’s privacy not be violated.
      I just did lawyering. That was fun.

      • Good lawyering.

        • Jimmy3

          I just passed the bar exam. Meaning I did good lawyering so now I can have a drink. They always meet up at the bar after court on Law & Order.

          • Haha! Yes. Also, notice how the whole handling of Clay is totally not creepy and very friendly.

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, well you have to understand that Patty and Tom go way back as friends, and the Scientology connection is a coincidental common ground they share. They ran into each at an IAS gala, and were both as shocked as the other. “I didn’t know you were a Ron fan too!” they said in unison, and creepy laughed about it and then bought each other a $500 coke.

              But when someone at Flag just happened to casually mention a video posted on some blog way out in the interfringes, Patty was upset about it. Not because Scientology dislikes this particular blog, but because he just cares about his friend, multimillionaire stuntman and Emergency Medical Scientologist, Tom Cruise. And plus he’s Irish, and he’d fit right in at an Irish “sports and alcohol consumption establishment” as he calls it. So he was the perfect man for the job. To help his buddy with no Scientological involvement.

            • Just like that.

  • I guess my bigger question to Clay is why would you let a stranger waltz into your establishment and demand that you take down a Facebook video? Especially, if he only identified himself with a first name. You could have asked him to leave and said you would consult with an attorney about your rights in this situation. Not to mention you let him creepily stare over your shoulder while you did it??

    For everyone who claims that they would not be duped by Scientologists, here is the proof that anyone can be. Smh.

    • My guess, Clay is either very smart or had done no homework at all.

      • flyonthewall

        Clay knows to choose his battles

        • It’s not even a battle. “Take the video down.” “Uh, no. I don’t even know who you are. You could be any random person off the street asking me to take down the video. Now order something or get out.” Don’t let the random stranger stare over your shoulder into your phone and facebook account. Ugh.

          Letting your human rights get violated by a complete stranger is not knowing how to choose your battles at all.

          • flyonthewall

            Ok, you act like Valtin stormed in and jabbed his finger in Irwin’s chest while shouting at him to take it down. Article doesn’t say it went down like that at all, doesn’t say it didn’t either. Irwin doesn’t say it was confrontational or hostile. Was prob very firm but polite I imagine. And he’s a small business owner in the shadow of a 500lb gorilla so I’d say taking down a little Cruise video in order to not upset your business is quintessentially choosing your battles.

            • flyonthewall

              violate your human rights?? Really?

            • Uh yes. Really.

            • flyonthewall

              no not really. Yes, it’s fuct up to sit there and watch him delete the vid. Yes it’s fuct up to send someone over there at all. But a violation of your human rights? No, not really

            • I value my rights as a human being, seeing as I was denied them for so long. Being able to post shit on my Facebook without interference from unidentified strangers is one of them I think. Also, not having people creeping on me in my privately owned establishment. The not violating way of doing this is to have Cruise’s lawyer, or other representative send a note asking that the video be taken down. So yes, this was a casual violation of Clay’s rights. Maybe it wasn’t him being locked in a dark damp room until he was near death, but it was still a violation.

            • flyonthewall

              It’s weird. It’s creepy. It’s not a violation of Clay’s human rights. Now if CoS threatened him or tried to ruin his business for refusing to take it down then yes that’s a violation. We assume it would go there and it prob would of but it didn’t bc the vid is down so we’ll never know.

            • Since you insist on being the authority on semantics and splitting hairs, there were several human rights violations in that simple act. The fact that people huff at the prospect, the way you have done, is the reason that Scientology keeps getting away with it.

              Article 1 Right to Equality
              Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination
              Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security
              Article 4 Freedom from Slavery
              Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment
              Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law
              Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law
              Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal
              Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile

              The test used to determine whether an arrest took place in a particular case is objective, and it turns on whether a reasonable person under these circumstances would believe he or she was restrained or free to go.

              Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing
              Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty
              Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence
              Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country
              Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution
              Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It
              Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family
              Article 17 Right to Own Property
              Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion
              Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information
              Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association
              Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections
              Article 22 Right to Social Security
              Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions
              Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure
              Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard
              Article 26 Right to Education
              Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community
              Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document
              Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development
              Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights

            • flyonthewall

              Arbitrary arrest, personal security, degrading treatment? You sound hysterical Derek and not in the funny sense.

            • I don’t know what part of you thinks that anything that happened to Clay subsequent to this video is okay. But none of it is. You don’t just walk into someone’s place of business and demand they show you their facebook. That’s not normal nor rational behavior and you’re excusing it as being merely creepy. I don’t know why you aren’t more upset by it.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Not intending to be in any way condescending, but I think those of us with more life experience here don’t find this at the level of appalling that you do. Conversely, your own life experience– where a confrontation like the one described is more fraught– should be taken into account. I am still surprised that the video was taken in the first place, and stayed on line for a full two weeks before anybody in OSA noticed. They are so… sharp.

            • I think that you and Fly are overthinking what I am saying. Fly is always focusing way too much on granular detail and semantics of situations. He likes to tear apart my comments word for word and overemphasize my language as if I am saying something much bigger than my tiny internet comment. Maybe because the tone or inflection in my voice is missing from the written word?

              I’m not calling for a UN tribunal to review the matter. Clay allowed his rights to be casually violated by a stranger who didn’t even identify himself. Tony was int he comments trying to get this guy’s name because he didn’t even identify himself to Clay.

              I am appalled at the willingness of the victim. But I am equally appalled at the ballsy-ness of Patrick. But you’re right, maybe because of my personal history, even seeing someone violated in the mildest of manners elicits a stronger reaction.

            • flyonthewall

              it’s bc of my compound eyes, I can’t help it

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Fly yanks chains. The louder they rattle the more he yanks. (And yes, I know he is standing right over there.)

              I didn’t think you were overreacting. Your perspective is just different from mine. And that’s… OK.

            • I think Scientology does not compare with the kind of serious human rights violations that are prosecuted (people die already).

              However, being able to suppress free expression (however trivial it seems) by exploiting your bad reputation to deter its exercise is certainly contrary to the spirit of the law.

              I can understand why you object to that so strongly.

            • Jimmy3

              Allow me to do some good lawyering: You’re both right to a certain extent. Being asked, even ordered, to remove content that you’ve posted on the Internet is certainly not a violation of your human rights. But in the case that his livelihood and his ability to practice fair enterprise was threatened, that he was extorted and made to be fearful, that can easily be construed as a human rights violation.

            • flyonthewall

              Yes but we don’t know he was threatened, he didn’t say he was and he prob would of said so if he was. It was a stupid move putting it online in the first place tbh.

            • At the outset, I might have thought he was a citizen journalist. But the fact that he pissed his pants as soon as some guy named Patrick walked in the door claiming to have some tacit and unverified connection with Tom Cruise leads me to believe this was driven by stupidity, on Clay’s part and the construction worker who gave him access to the property.

            • Jimmy3

              It may not say that, but it is a fair assumption that most people inferred that. And it is what I believe Derek is speaking to.

              Also at the beginning of this thread, you said Clay “knows how to choose his battles.” Now you’re saying he made a very stupid move to begin with? So which is it? Does he weigh his decisions carefully, or does he make haphazard blunders?

              Better hope they don’t put you on the stand. I WILL DESTROY YOU ON CROSS.

            • flyonthewall

              It’s both. It was stupid to post the video and he knew better than to fight over it.

            • Frodis73

              IMO, the fact that he posted it in the first place shows not only his stupidity, but the fact that he knows nothing, or next to nothing, about scientology. If that opportunity would have come up for one of us Bunker peeps, for example, anything we put online would have been done anonymously and w/out us being in it!

            • flyonthewall

              I thought about that but they would of found out who it was by asking the construction guy who he brought up. They would of found out who it was.

            • Frodis73

              That is true too…though I assume multiple people have access, so maybe it would have squeaked by…doubtful tho, you are right.

            • No. I didn’t say any of that. You just assumed that entire comment.

            • flyonthewall

              you said – ” I guess my bigger question to Clay is why would you let a stranger waltz into your establishment and demand that you take down a Facebook video?”

              waltzed in and demanded. Sounds pretty hostile and confrontational to me.

            • When did waltzing become confrontational? Someone call the 19th Century and tell them they’re doing it wrong.

              And demanding, that can be politely done as well.

            • flyonthewall

              You can’t call the 19th century, time is linear, not circular. Now you’re just being absurd

          • chukicita

            I bet he told Clay he was a friend of TC’s and TC would never come in to his bar if he kept that vid up.

            • You’re probably right. My guess though, is that he won’t get any business now. Scientologists aren’t allowed to drink and his establishment would still be banned even after he took the video down. Unless, as someone else here stated, he becomes a Scientologist and makes amends somehow.

      • I think I missed the reference here, but I imagine that Clay is not very smart. Otherwise, he would have known the risk he was taking posting a public Facebook video of the inside of a prominent celebrity’s home. Regardless of the Scientology connection. I imagine the construction worker that invited him was not very smart either, and probably is without a job now.

        The least you could do after making such a terrible mistake is preserve your dignity by not letting a stranger condescendingly watch you as you delete something off your Facebook after interrupting your work day.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I am surprised that there was not a higher threat level, as it did involve trespassing and shooting video to prove it. It is not something I would have done.

          • The construction worker had legal access and extended his permission to Clay. I don’t think any prosecutor would pursue charges, but then again you are talking about Scientology-burg.

          • Observer

            The construction worker had a legal right to be on the premises, and he invited Clay up. I don’t think that’s trespassing.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I have worked on a lot of job sites. Random visitors were not allowed– especially after hours.

            • I agree that was most likely the case, but I doubt that Clay would have any criminal liability in this. The construction worker, maybe, but I think that him getting fired was the remedy anyway. I’ve worked for companies that have had employees stealing from them and there were no criminal charges. They just terminated the person.

            • Observer

              I would think it would be more on the worker who invited him and let him take the video, then. Clay wouldn’t necessarily know that his being there was trespassing since he was invited and escorted. I wouldn’t.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              In the realm of speculation, this is as valid as anything I am tossing out. Don’t know why I am being contentious. This whole thing just seems wrong.

            • Observer

              No argument there.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Clay has made it clear that he is, first and foremost, a businessman. If you want to run a business in Scientologyburg, then you dance to the tune they play. Besides– it had been up two weeks.

      • Which begs the question, if he is a businessman, why would he open a business in a town owned by Scientology in the first place? I give him two years at best.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          He strikes me as rather– make that very— naive. He really thinks that an Irish pub will draw people to Silent Hill?

          • It extends beyond that, because if a complete stranger walked up to me and asked me to delete something from my social media, my first question would be, “Why?” Then, “Who are you?” Then, if I felt like continuing the conversation, “How did you find me?” Then, “This conversation is now being recorded. What are you going to do to me if I don’t?”

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              In his defense, we don’t know the whole exchange. It is weird on its face. (Of course, we know that when it comes to Scientology, it’s always worse than you think it is.)

        • Jimmy3

          There are many locals who want their city back. Not to eradicate Scientology, but just to have a downtown where everyone can come and have more fun with less creepy culty vibe. A wog bar in the belly of the beast may be a minor step, but it is in the right direction. And it’d be fun to get Jeb Burton drunk.

          • More power to them. Clay doesn’t strike me as one of those people.

            • Jimmy3

              Maybe not. And you’re right tho, from a business perspective it is not a great investment. Most bars/restaurants fail within a few years. So many more make barely enough to keep the doors open and the employees paid. There’s rarely a significant profit margin. And these are normal woggy people bars in much better locations.

            • I am surprised that city still even exists with the lack of tax revenue. It’s disgusting what Scientology has done to it.

        • iampissed

          Ok

    • Susan black

      Who needs a last name when the guy says “i’m from the cherch of scientology”?

      • Maybe that is his last name? Patrick Fromthechurchofscientology?

        • Susan black

          I like it. But please, Derek…correct your spelling! That’s “cherchofscientology” not “churchofscientology.” It’s all a scam so why call it a “church”?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Clay wants to sell clams beer, that’s why. Not that you or I would but it seems he’s set on making it work.

  • About to go to bed. Hopefully will be dreaming of cans, while holding them. The human kind.
    Also, Cathy Schenkelberg’s show is very unique. Good Thursday to all.

    • iampissed

      Night

      • Sherbet

        How are you, iam? I haven’t talked to you in a while. I like that you continue to honor Mrs. Iampisssed with your avatar.

        • iampissed

          I’m doing well…better…after the last two months. What can I say
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ead828bc41e6ff97666cb16f36ce3d4a96791c2ce6724bb7a27c3a5155174e9b.jpg
          MC1R…when ya go red……I’ll leave it at that.
          ETA..She really looks like this.

          • Sherbet

            Ha! I guess you’re a big being!

            • iampissed

              No just a lucky guy.
              ETA..after 35 plus years. I’m trying to work up to Phil and Willie numbers.
              Stats and all ya know.

            • Sherbet

              35 years married?

            • iampissed

              Yes

          • JJ

            I have gone red and it really does change how people look at you. You can’t just go red you need to BE RED!

    • flyonthewall

      I watched some episodes of Theroux’s Weird Weekends (it’s on Netflix) before going to bed and had a dream where I saw Louis Theroux naked. He had a huge wiener that went down to his knees.

  • Jimmy3

    No one is making fun of Trump today? Where am I going to get my ragequit fix? This fire needs stoked
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0a13df28a5fb3c9a0ee13280ce6e1aa7cf54dab804847ea44eb1e3a353335b9.jpg

    • daisy

      I am taking a break today because he ( very very late ) denounced anti-semitism. It is a low bar but I am going to take it .

      • Frodis73

        Very low bar indeed.

      • Jimmy3

        Oh, great, the leader of the free world was forced to denounce prejudice and bigotry–for one ethnicity. This feels like progress.

        • daisy

          nods in agreement

          • JJ

            shakes head in agreement.

    • Frodis73

      Succulent Duck and I discussed him a bit below. In fact, since you brought him up, let me fill you all in on something I saw. The other night Charlie Rose ran an old episode with trump. It was from 1992. It was shocking to see the difference in trump between then and now. He was still a jerk, but he could at least form complete thoughts and sentences and was coherent. I really think the man has Alzheimer’s…or something else, but there is something def wrong there (aside from the obvious stuff).

      • daisy

        I disagree. I have followed him sorta from old Barbara Walters*s interviews and David Letterman etc. He was the same egocentric me, me me person since his fame and probably before. He has always been inarticulate. He never acknowledged any character flaws ever. David L. accused him of being racist long before it*s present form . A New York gossip columnist claimed he loved the publicity when his affair was discovered. A normal human being would at the very least be ashamed . if not regretful. I have not noticed that much of a change. I think now he may be more stressed than usual but I do not see signs of Alzheimers or any other degenerative process. ( other than age ) I think if he was seen as much as he is now we would have seen the same person as he is now. He just could hold it together for longer periods of time. He wasn*t being accused of things then either. When I hear him speak now he seems incoherent cause he is juggling his lies. He doesn*t do it well. Give hem 4 yrs. He will be more experienced and ingrained in his personality disorder.I can also be wrong. I often am.

        • Frodis73

          No, all that shit was there. But the ability to think and talk in complete, well structured sentences is what I am talking about. Go read the transcript from his last presser…he is ALL over the place. He starts a sentence talking about one thing and ends on something totally different.
          My grandma has Alzheimer’s but I did not spend time witnessing her decent and changes. I do know that many people caring for a relative with it are saying he reminds them of their relative. Whether that is real or wishful thinking, I do not know. I cannot say.
          I stand by my statement, something is wrong/off about him and it was not this bad in 92.

          • daisy

            You may be right , He is definitely all over the place. I put it down to stress and defending himself by trying to divert , but I am no expert. The Alzhiemers people of have worked with have always been in the late stages , and there is no question. I do agree he is not fit for office no matter what his problem.

            • Frodis73

              Nah, he is your boyfriend and you love him! Lol. I cannot even finish that as I was going to add the bit about how you want his babies.

            • daisy

              LOL – I do think KellyAnne is on the verge of a breakdown . Every time I see her she looks more and more frantic. I cannot blame her , working for him would send anyone into a craze. That is their choice. His administration was referred to as a shit sandwich. That made me laugh.

            • Frodis73

              Speaking of her, she hasn’t been around lately. Good riddance and all, but I do wonder what is up.

            • daisy

              i saw her a couple of days ago. A morning show will not have her anymore he said because she flat out lies. At this point she is more of an embarrassment than an asset. Maybe they are realizing that ( not Donald ,Steve B )

            • JJ

              ya gotta wonder about the math, if three people are telling lies about the same thing and then Trump says the media makes up more lies…is a truth somehow gonna fall out of all this? We are living in the time when a hundred monkey’s tapping on a typewriter will indeed write Shakespeare…Or at least a Trump speech on anti-antisemitism….

            • JJ

              Would anyone not be driven insane in that environment. Though she is part of the problem and signed up for the job.

              So they “drained the swamp”… and replaced it with a cesspool?

            • Ella Raitch

              Says she’s doing mummy things….

            • Liberated

              Didn’t she just get banned from CNN or was it MSNBC?

            • daisy

              MSNBC. One of the anchors was on Steven Colbert talking about it.

            • Liberated

              Oh yeah….Joe Scarborough….can’t stand that guy.

            • daisy

              Never heard of him before last night. I rarely watch cable news except CNN. I am trying not to watch that either but I have crushes on most of the male anchors, especially Tapper. I cannot get away from it , even our local news covers Trump.

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, I am not a fan of Joe, but I will give him credit for banning Kelly. He is(or was last I heard) a trump supporter too.

            • Perhaps Karin Pouw could get the job?

            • daisy

              I hear she may need one .

            • Ella Raitch

              Well, I have an operating theory that the White House is running as a WISE company with Hubbard admin tech, so Karin would fit right in.

        • Frodis73

          Let me clarify-it is the degree of inarticulation (is that a word). He has always had the vocab of a kid, but I could follow what he was saying on this interview…these days, he is very hard to follow most of the time.

      • Jimmy3

        All I’m saying is that if I don’t get another hit of a juicy, trump-plumped ragequit soon, I will ragequit myself. Or at least throw a tanty without actually quitting.

      • Liberated

        There was an article yesterday from raw story about the symptoms of syphilis. It can be dormant in the body for years, and he did host cocaine parties in the 80’s at his penthouse.
        People that were there have reported on it.
        He would lure young girls..sometimes as young as 15 to his place under the guise of helping their modeling or pageant careers and these “influential ” men would….well you know.
        He has admitted to being promiscuous during that time and he characterizes many of the symptoms physically and mentally of that disease.

        Also, last night Lawrence O’Donnell had two psychiatrists on his show that diagnosed trump with sociopathic and narcissistic disorders…and gave evidence that the 25th amendment might be in order soon….he is truly dangerous.

        I could go on and on but the bottom line is “do we really want this guy with access to nuclear codes?” I mean a tweet enrages him!

        • daisy

          I have no doubt he has a personality disorder , I am just not sure if he has a physical disease.

          • Liberated

            I know, and we probably never will….but the dude is just crazy nuts!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Bat shit crazy Lib!

          • JJ

            Who fits it better Trump or Miscavige?

            A narcissistic sociopath is someone with a combination of narcissistic personality disorder and definitive behavioral signs of sociopathy.

            People with narcissism are characterized by their excessive and persistent need for others’ admiration and positive reinforcement. They generally have grandiose opinions of themselves and believe they are superior to other people. Narcissists are also frequently convinced that they are above the normal responsibilities and obligations of everyday life, so they usually have significant difficulties maintaining employment or relationships as a result.

            The narcissistic sociopath has this type of personality along with a noticeable lack of regard for the rights of others and a tendency to regularly violate those rights.

            One noted difference between a narcissistic sociopath and people with narcissism alone is that:

            The narcissist with the sociopathy reacts strongly and sometimes even violently to negative feedback. True sociopaths generally do not respond to criticism or care what others may think of them.

            A narcissistic sociopath is unable to tolerate criticism and needs constant praise, as well as deference from other people. Many with this condition present themselves in the best light possible and are able to easily charm others to gain their trust.

            or just variations on a theme…

            https://truthlover5.com/2012/12/07/profile-of-a-sociopath-charming-manipulative-grandiose-lying-narcissitic-authoritarian-secretive/

            • daisy

              I think he definitely has a narcissistic personality disorder. I have no idea to what degree of sociopathy he also has. He is not fit to run a country .

            • JJ

              tick tock Donald. Pathetic thing is he would have been such a competent loser. endlessly railing against the media and complaining others were mis-quoting him, that only he has all the answers and everyone else is wrong… wait he did get that, only with the nuclear launch codes.

              My hope it the intelligence community circumvents the Whitehouse for the “really important stuff”…

            • daisy

              He is being backed by his party. They should be ashamed of themselves. They know him. My hope for impeachment is dwindling.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Ahem.

              Not everyone in that party.

            • daisy

              True , I do not hate the Republicans as a whole. I just do not like the ones that tolerate and even support Trump.

            • Ella Raitch

              One of the smaller consolations to the start of this administration is reading the criticisms of moderate conservatives xx

        • Frodis73

          It could be that too. Also he takes Rogaine and I guess that is known to cause difficulties in thinking and/or confusion.
          I def do not want him anywhere near the codes…or anything else sensitive. He is an incompetent loony, bafoon in every way.

          • JJ

            Nothing will become him so much in the presidency as the leaving of it…
            Planning on election 2020. That is beyond laughable.

            • Liberated

              Go to dan savage’s web site…he has pins with ITMFA

              Impeach the mother fucker already….wish I could buy all my bunker mates one.

            • Frodis73

              I would wear it with pride!

            • Frodis73

              He filed to run for 2020 *hours* after taking oath of office. Can you fn believe that?? It was done to make money, but still…how his people can’t see this for the scam it is blows my mind.

          • Robert Eckert

            One of the side effects of Rogaine is depression. One of the side effects of Prozac is impotence. One of the side effects of Viagra is hair loss. Conspiracy? You be the judge!

            • JJ

              Yes, let’s buy stock!;)

            • Frodis73

              Lol, the plot thickens

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Spit my tea, thankfully missed keyboard. Thanks for the belly laugh!

        • JJ

          Watched that one. I have been telling people for months he will not pass a psych test, if it can be verified and proved….?

    • John Prince

      If You insist on getting all politicey this early in the morning , o.k. Shamrock-Man..here in the Old Country everyone with half a brain thinks Don-John is a concieted asshole who’s unfit to be POTUS. .but You Guys NEW that before You elected him! ☝

      sorry, i’ll shut the fuck up, now

      • Jimmy3

        I didn’t elect him. Neither did the majority of Americans.

        • John Prince

          That’s the real trouble isn’t it? Truth is Folks over Here still can’t comprehend how don-john tricked his way into the Whitehouse . They see him as a HUGE Embarassment for America and wonder how a Country as large and diverse as the U.S.A can manage with a 2-party Political system, let’s not even talk about the Electoral College voodo-magic thing huh? NOBODY can understand this enigma of the UniverseπŸ‘½

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Trump scraped out an Electoral victory with less than 80,000 votes spread over three states. He is not the popular choice of the American people. And he has done nothing to change that.

        • John Prince

          It’s jimmy’s fault, He opened this can ‘a worms! !

          • John Prince

            Now You see why I apologized for stirring up the Shit that early πŸ˜’

    • Ella Raitch

      Still recovering from last week…..

  • flyonthewall
  • Liberated

    I just killed a mosquito inside….little early..huh?

    • JJ

      WAY! Where are you?
      Were in Spokane and have not even had robins yet.

      • Liberated

        Indiana.

        • JJ

          You know, I don’t know I guess it depends did it get cold enough there this winter? Almost March… still seems too early.

          • Liberated

            It’s been in the 60’s for 2 weeks, it got cold but not for long, it’s considered a mild winter.
            Nothing like new england……I spoke too soon, I said I killed him, he just buzzed my head.

            • JJ

              Unless there were two of them…
              Mild winter lot of early skeetos I guess.
              We got hammered maybe we won’t get any. pahahaha or as many…? I’ll leave the spiders alone let them take care of em.

    • use pepper spray and defend yourself

      • Liberated

        Are you still hungry?
        Don’t get too mad at me….this is so much fun.

        I don’t cook that much so when I do I feel the need to torment you. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b06de0854897cdbed879bc35b5c538ffff9a3658e607c279954fa9311051ac28.jpg

          • Liberated

            That’s my “love trumps hate” pin…I got it from my support of the H Clinton campaign.
            I will include that in all my photos forever.

            • is it true that his gubberment invited a Donald Tusk? I mean, when is Donald Duck going to appear?

            • Liberated

              I don’t know man…he’s been in office for one month and things could not be worse.
              He’s played golf 6 times already, and Obama got shit for playing couple times a year.

              Impeachment is a word we hear everyday…..let’s start.

            • ever been in France?

            • Liberated

              No why?

            • just a thought.. Know anyone there?

            • Liberated

              Joan d’arc…but she’s dead.

            • lol

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Several times, why?

            • Not you πŸ™‚

        • Frodis73

          Not sure what the fried things are, but I’ll take ’em as long as they are not seafood. I could demolish that salad off in seconds…that looks so good to me right now.

          • Liberated

            They’re boneless chicken tenders.

            • Frodis73

              Ok, I will eat all of both. Lol.

  • JJ

    Here’s a whack on CoS. The ongoing argument claiming any neg comment about them is bigotry. Why is such an insular exclusionary group that fills itself with people who ‘only want to associate with like minded (un-minded) others’ and continually debases and classifies anyone not with them as against them and lesser than them claiming the victim of bias card? Seems like the CoS only functions as a biased, global, us or them, think and feel and do and say what we all think and feel and do and say or you are wrong, evil, degraded, worthless, lost…

  • daisy

    I saw Manchester by the Sea today. Good but very very depressing movie. Anybody have any cheerful choices ?

    • Liberated

      Well, la la land but you already knew that.
      I hadn’t been to a real movie theater in so long….my kid took me for my b-day and now there’s a bar and it’s ok to drink inside.
      We polished off a bottle of pinot noir….I remember when we had to sneak beer in …inside my purse!
      Oh times have changed!

      • daisy

        I haven*t seen a theater movie in years too. I am not sure La La Land would be up my alley Mom would like it .Bar in theater, I like it.

      • Frodis73

        I want to see La la land too.

    • Frodis73

      I really want to see that, but I probably won’t get to anytime soon.

      • daisy

        I usually wait for Netflix , but I really wanted to see it , so mom and I rented it. It was too depressing for her .She went for a nap. I like depressing movies. We got a free movie because when I wanted to see another scene they had taken it from our saved list. I called to complain so we got a 30$ credit.

        • Frodis73

          Oh yeah, me too Daisy (depressing movies). I like to torture myself I guess. Have you seen Requiem For A Dream? That movie is an experience.

          • outraged

            That is the MOST depressing movie. Similar to Trainspotting.

            How about The Celebration. VERY depressing.
            Director – Thomas Vinterberg. Danish. Festin

            • Frodis73

              I just looked that one up. I would like to see it, but it does sound a bit depressing that’s for sure!

            • outraged

              For me, it hit like a brick BUT this had to do with MY family, my dysfunctional parents. However, I learned so much about myself and my family from watching this movie believe it or not. Watch it! We can talk about it.

              Helped me to understand that even though my parents did unforgivable things, I can still love them and that is ok.

          • Liberated

            Try “Never Let Me Go”…British…Carey Mulligan, Andrew Garfield.
            Very good, disturbing too.

            • Frodis73

              This is now on my list too!

          • daisy

            No I will look it up. It isn*t one of those weird films that cannot be understood except the dark moodiness is it ?

            • Frodis73

              No, easy to understand, just horrific. About addiction.
              eta-it is a little weird, but not in a hard to follow kind of way.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Love that movie.

    • outraged

      Moonlight is supposed to be spectacular, moving and real. Not depressing. But emotional.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hidden Figures. A good, old-fashioned, well-made movie that does not blind side you. And based on an inspiring true story. With Tom Hanks heading a great cast. Mrs. D and I loved it.

      • daisy

        I will check it out. I have heard of it . I usually like most things that Tom Hanks is in .

        • Frodis73

          It’s actually Kevin Costnor, not Hanks.I usually hate him, but he was fine.

          • daisy

            Oh I know about that movie now. I often like Kevin*s movies .

      • Frodis73

        Yes, this was very good even though I fell asleep and missed the last maybe 45mins. I saw it on the bus on the way home from march in DC and was totally exhausted. I never fall asleep watching movies I like and want to see, so I know I was beat!

    • John Prince

      I hated Casey Affleck a little too well in “the assasination of Jessie James by the coward Robert Ford ‘

    • Juicer77

      Kung Pow. Parody/mashup kung fu movie. Absurd and funny. πŸ™‚

      • Rasha

        Steve Oedekerk, of Thumb Wars/Thumbtanic, etc fame. Kung Pow is a refreshing step back from the world.

    • Cedilla

      “Anybody have any cheerful choices?”

      “It Happened One Night” 1934.
      Won: Gable, Colbert: actors, Risken: screenplay, Capra: director.
      Still fun after all these years.

      • daisy

        Seen it several times . it is great. I love old movies .

    • ReallyMGM

      Have wanted to see it since I saw the trailers and all. Know it is sad, but still looks great.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • Liberated

      I wouldn’t put it past the cult.

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Is Tom’s new penthouse also partially built by the hands of Sea Org workers like his airplane hangar?

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Can anyone translate this for me? It’s a Scientology course called “Doc Roland”. I found it following after OT8 on Lorraine Bulger’s completions page (thanks Graham) –

    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/l/lorraine-bulger.html

    • looks like a name:

      Category: Manufacturing
      Doc Roland
      MPI Stocks
      PO Box 83266

    • Graham

      The info supposedly comes from ‘Source 200’ but when I view that list and do a ‘search’ I can’t see ‘Roland’ anywhere. Mystery.

      • Kestrel

        No ‘Lorraine’ on that list, eiher.

    • Draco

      Never heard of anything named “Doc Roland”

  • Mymy88
    • Yello Mymy88

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Howdy! Kayleigh has been around for a while. Another one who looks you right in the eye and lies her head off.

      • Mymy88

        I thought she was a new one. I don’t know who makes me sicker, her or Kellyanne Cuntway.

  • 4chan, scientology, anon, trump vs. pranks http://www.dailydot.com/unclick/4chan-donald-trump/

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      That is some essay!

      • Frodis73

        It sure was, but it was interesting. Scientology even gets mentioned.

    • Frodis73

      I posted that same story but at a dif site with a dif title, how odd. It is very detailed and interesting though.

      • Robert Hanna Moore

        It is a reprint as noted at the end of the essay: “Dale Beran is an artist and writer. He’s the creator of Hi Kwality Comics. A version of this article originally appeared on Medium and has been reprinted with permission.”

  • Shayne

    Clay seems like a nice guy. I hope he realizes, once the construction workers clear out, he might be hurting for patrons at his pub. Doubtful that very many Scientologists in Clearwater have free time to knock back drinks in a bar. It would be awesome, tho, if more non-scientologists would infiltrate “their” space & not allow them to continue to take over this little city.

    • Yes, now that the initial PR safe-pointing” phase is over his SO customers will disappear, well, that’s how it would have gone but for the TC video foot-bullet, now he’ll get media for a day or two, then tumbleweed as the reality of running a business in zombie-ville sinks in.

  • Faux Gibbler

    And this is how Scientology donors hard earned money is spent

  • Faux Gibbler

    Tony you can upload video files directly to your website with out using a 3rd party such as YouTube, Vimeo, etc.

  • kkh

    I guess before signing up for Howdy-Con, I better make sure that it’s ok for a “never-in” to even attend! My husband works in the Colorado State Legislature, and we are definitely interested in fighting this cult. I’ve been talking to Rinder about some things as well… anyway, I figured I had better make sure it was ok. Thanks, KKH in Denver.