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Disconnecting from the dead: Another employer accused of forcing Scientology is taken to court

[Paul and Chelsea Wysong]

Rod Keller takes a look at a new legal fight over an employer allegedly forcing an employee to submit to Scientology courses…

The Underground Bunker has reported on numerous cases of employers getting into hot water over forcing Scientology on their employees, including dentists and chiropractors. But this week, we’re taking a look at a dispute between an Ohio engineer and the owners of an Indiana consulting company.

Until December, Paul Wysong and his wife Chelsea were employed at Continental Design Company, an Indiana company where Paul was an engineer specializing in quality control and manufacturing. While they worked for Continental, the Wysongs lived in California to be near the Tesla automobile factory in Fremont, a major Continental client that Wysong had brought in.

Paul had gone to work for Continental in 2013 with a salary of $80,000 plus commissions and bonuses to run its “Quality Division.” He’d been hired by the company’s president and CEO, Judy Nagengast, and her husband Bill, the company’s COO. The Nagengasts are Scientologists and they run their company according to the teachings of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.


[Judy and Bill Nagengast receive Madison County Entrepreneurs of the year award in 2015]

On December 23 Wysong had his attorney send the Nagengasts a letter, asking them to resolve a dispute over commissions, and alleged that a hostile work environment existed because the couple introduced Scientology courses and training to their non-Scientologist employees. On December 29 the company retaliated by firing the Wysongs as well as Paul’s best friend. Because of the dispute the Wysongs have lost the use of the company car and had to leave their home, also rented for them by the company.


[House rented by Continental in Saratoga, California for the Wysong family.]

Scientology companies like Continental are members of the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises, or WISE, and are expected to organize their business according to the same seven-division “org board” that Scientology churches — called “orgs” use. Scientology is involved in almost every aspect of these businesses, and employees are subject to the policies of L. Ron Hubbard even if they aren’t Scientologists themselves. “You don’t even have to join the thing to be affected by it,” Wysong says.


[Org board of the Quality division of Continental]

We asked Wysong what it meant that he was subjected to Scientology practices. “They made me take an IQ/Personality test. I found it interesting, the areas of my life that might need improvement. They give it to every employee, and make hiring decisions based on the test. I found out later you are allowed to give candidate employees tests, but only if it’s related to skills they’re being hired for.” The personality test is the same Oxford Capacity Analysis test given out by Scientology recruiters around the world. It is composed of 200 yes/no/maybe questions about railway timetables, prison systems and voting preferences. It is not related to Oxford University or any other Oxford organization and is not recognized as useful outside of Scientology.

Wysong says that Scientology-based materials are regularly distributed by the Nagengasts to employees, even at the company Christmas party. “They said I needed a training session on the Hubbard Management System. She [Judy Nagengast] gave me Scientology books at the company Christmas party. How to find suppressive people and how to read people on the tone scale.” (Hubbard taught that 2.5 percent of all people are suppressive, and that being connected to suppressives can affect your life negatively. The Emotional Tone Scale assigns numeric values to human emotions according to their desirability.)


[Gifts from Judy Nagengast to Paul Wysong at the office Christmas party]

“If they knew somebody is a hard-core Christian then they didn’t approach them with anything about Scientology. They might leave a pamphlet on their desk before they arrive at work, but that’s all,” Paul says. The Wysongs consider themselves Christians, but not as dedicated as some of the other employees at Continental.

Identification of suppressive people was important at Continental. “She audited me in her office, and made me write a list of suppressive people in my life, and had me write ‘handle’ or ‘disconnect’ next to each one. One of them was my father [Butch Wysong] who passed away three years ago. She labeled him a Suppressive Person, and told me I shouldn’t visit his grave as my connection to him was affecting my statistics.” Another Suppressive Person identified in the session was Tesla and SpaceX founder Elon Musk. “I was just listing names so she’d leave me alone,” Wysong says.


[Part of a court exhibit in Wysong’s lawsuit showing the list of “SPs” in his life he was asked to write down, including his father Butch Wysong and Tesla founder Elon Musk.]

“There were 30-35 people on the list, about 80 percent are family members. My mother-in-law was on the list, also a cousin and her husband. A few were Tesla workers or co-workers at Continental. I never disconnected from anybody, I’m a pretty strong willed person, but at one point I was just telling her anything to get the session done.”

Disconnection from family members is shocking to non-Scientologists, but it is a familiar part of life for many members of the church. Andrea Gianetti Russo is Bill Nagengast’s daughter and Judy’s step-daughter. The couple disconnected from her 16 years ago when she “blew” from the Cincinnati, Ohio org staff. “I was working from 8am to 11pm every day with no time off,” she says. “I was absolutely miserable. I literally had to lie to escape…I called my father when I left and he told me that I had to go back and route off and I said absolutely not. He has three beautiful grandchildren that he has never seen, although I do send him photos and cards.”

Like Paul Wysong, Andrea was told to disconnect from the dead. “My mom left the church when I was 10, and she died when I was 18. I had to write a disconnection letter to my deceased mother.”

On more than 20 occasions Wysong was asked to go for Scientology training at a Hubbard College of Administration, or HCA. He refused every time. “They scheduled me for two weeks in Los Angeles for 40 hours a week. Then they said if we can’t get you to LA because of the cost, we can get you go to Clearwater, then they were talking about sending me on a cruise ship. Now after doing some research I know that was the Freewinds. They said it was a visit to an island, and I thought that might be nice, but now I’m glad I never went on that cruise.”


As a substitute for HCA training Judy Nagengast delivered some of the courses personally in her office in Indiana. “She would leave the room and make me read a chapter, then she would come back and give me a quiz about it. That went on for about six hours.” (HCA courses drill a student on the Organization Executive Course, a series of policies better known as the “green volumes” written by L. Ron Hubbard and considered part of the scriptures of the Church of Scientology.)

But it was not only involvement in Scientology that brought Paul into conflict with Continental, it was also money. Wysong’s complaint says that the company breached his employment contract in some cases by paying commission on net receipts of the division instead of the gross, and in other cases withholding payment entirely. “She [Judy] kept asking me ‘Oh how dare you ask for that’ like I was the one to blame. They were big on trying to use guilt, saying ‘Do you know what I’m going through?’ I was just asking for what I deserve, what the contract called for, and that’s what I want.” For insisting on being paid his commission, Paul says he was assigned to the Scientology condition of “danger.” In Scientology scripture this is one of the lower conditions of existence, and should be assigned when:

An Emergency Condition has continued too long.
A statistic plunges downward very steeply.
A senior executive suddenly finds himself or herself wearing the hat of the head of the activity because it is in trouble.

An Indiana newspaper, the Herald Bulletin, found Wysong’s complaint and interviewed Judy Nagengast about the case.

“Everything in this lawsuit is totally false,” Nagengast said, characterizing Wysong as a disgruntled employee who “did a lousy job.”

“I don’t care about what anybody’s religion is,” she said.

Nagengast, meanwhile, said she is planning to file a countersuit against Wysong.

Judy Nagengast has followed up on her plan, and Continental has sued Wysong, alleging breach of contract and confidentiality agreements, libel, negligence and other causes of action. Because Continental’s complaint was filed in Indiana, where the Nagengasts live, it is not a countersuit to Wysong’s Ohio lawsuit, and so the Wysongs have to hire lawyers in both states. This increases their costs at the same time that their family income has been cut dramatically. They have established a Gofundme page to raise money for their legal expenses.

We asked attorney and Underground Bunker webmaster Scott Pilutik his opinion of the Continental filing against Wysong. “It comes off as extremely thin. I have no way to know how accurate any of the allegations are but I don’t see how they can show damages. I imagine a judge rolling his or her eyes at all of this.”

One of the requests for relief filed by Continental is for an injunction preventing the Wysongs from picketing the company’s headquarters. There have been masked picketers outside Continental, but their identity remains a mystery.


When we asked Wysong directly if he and his wife were the ones picketing the business, he sent us this statement: “I will neither confirm nor deny my role in the protest. I’ve seen the photos provided by Continental and I’m unable to determine who the masked individuals are, but I know I’m not the only person they have made take their ‘courses’.”

— Rod Keller

We’ve embedded Wysong’s lawsuit against Judy Nagengast and Continental’s suit against Wysong here…

Wysong v. Nagengast by Tony Ortega on Scribd

Continental v. Wysong by Tony Ortega on Scribd


Phil and Willie Jones at the dedication of their billboard

The weather let up long enough yesterday for the billboard dedication to go off without a hitch. Here’s video of Phil and Willie talking about Scientology disconnection on Sunset Boulevard taken by Andrew Cramer…



HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.


Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,668 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,265 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,305 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,017 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 484 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,602 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,772 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,092 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,067 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 423 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,725 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 832 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,234 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,107 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 688 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,193 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,437 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,546 days.


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  • Frodis73

    totally OT but I am putting this here for all the people that came out to defend that Milo idiot.

    • Liberated

      That’s guy’s one sick fuck…I hate him.

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      Your 4chan article you posted below made me feel very old and out of touch. I think I get it but I’m going to read it again.
      So I’m confused as it mentions Milo being an early 4chan’er. So basically Milo is just like the Scientology trolls that used to be around more? So maybe Bill Maher understands that and that’s why he hit him with the Bruno line and just laughed. Maybe we don’t understand the enemy here. If we get pissed, then they get what they want and a book deal etc.
      So we should just ignore or laugh half halfheartedly and move on?
      Milo is a trap like the Beta XII-A entity in Star Trek, “Day of the Dove.” I think I get it but perhaps not?
      Anyway LOL I guess.

      • 4chanpartyvan

        “Maybe we don’t understand the enemy here.”
        Is Milo your enemy?

        • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

          No he isn’t, it’s a hyperbolic saying. It’s just shorthand for being apposed to his apparently horrific views and getting into a fight with someone who likes what he’s saying.
          Perhaps he thinks he is just exposing our own hypocrisy or just trolling us?
          Anyway it makes more sense if you read the medium article Frodis posted below.
          I found Anne Coulter repulsive but in an effort to understand, I went to see her give a talk at SU. Once I realized she didn’t believe what she said I actually found it amusing that all her followers did and were buying all her shitty books. I felt a little like I was in on the joke with her. Her Adams Apple is huge btw.

          • 4chanpartyvan

            I quite like Milos views and opinions but the 13yr old boys dating men is a bit much.

            • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

              Yeah political correctness has noble intent but also an unintended consequences and a backlash when taken to far and forced on people.
              We’re all just animals still and have a lot of evolution to go through still. We all lose if we take ourselves too seriously and can’t laugh at ourselves.

      • So I’m confused as it mentions Milo being an early 4chan’er.

        I’d take that claim, or anything he says, with a grain of salt.

    • Todd Tomorrow


  • John Prince

    ..and this Guy, Wysong was never a scilon? ..what a cryin’ SHAME the Clampire can’t allow this Case to get anywhere Near a Jury 😢. .this thing’s got Big FAT Settlement written all over it,
    Good for Him, Bad for the remaining Clams

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    Off topic, but it appears there’s an oddball Hubbard connection with the Hubbard “OT Running Program” with Dante’s Purgatoria poem “running in circles” plight of those at the 4th level of Purgatory. “….running in circles….” part. Hubbard, per his story about what he’s going to go do after death, “circle Arcturus” as “soul therapy”.

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  • Todd Tomorrow

    How do you let the dead know you’re disconnecting from them? Oh wait, this is from the same folks that want to find the perfect theans for their fetus. See Black Rob.
    Edit; You go to a funeral pregnant in the hope that the dead person’s thetans will jump into your own fetus. I shit you not. One was looking on the $cion’s facebook.

    • John Prince

      Isn’t it past Time for scibots to disconnect from the Dead?
      elron shit the Bed 30 years ago…

    • Liberated

      How is a dead guy supposed to read a letter of disconnection?

      I don’t think a dead person gives a shit if anyone disconnects from them or not….even if they could “hear” the message. Just when I think I’ve heard it all the crazy I could possibly hear…there’s always something new.

      • I think the function might be to persuade the living to disconnect from the enduing influence of good people who are no longer with us.

        The CofS is trying to denigrate the lessons you learned from them because they do not correspond with the demands of Scientology.

        Once they are out of the way, their wisdom can be replaced by Hubbard’s manipulative nonsense.

    • Ann B Watson

      A strange twist indeed Robb. I just always deep down knew the black arts intertwined with Old Ron. He used that to his advantage money wise and tech wise as well. Having lost a son before birth and not being able to have kids after,what you write is one
      abhorrent secret path of the cult. Chilling. Thank you, love to see your comments. 💔❤️

  • richelieu jr

    Gives me a little ‘frisson’ to see that Bilboard, because Silverlake was my home for some of the best years of me life (some months of which were spent at KCET, may it rest in pieces)…

  • Mac

    Tony does this mean Elon Musk and Tesla are part of WISE? If so, I’m not ever going to buy one. If not, why doesn’t TESLA do something about it?

  • JJ

    It’s eleven past dead, do you know where your cult leader is?

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    ” Judy Nagengast, and her husband Bill”

    Couldn’t they have Googled the names and discovered that they were Scientology customers and avoided them entirely?

  • Nagengastsucks

    Must not have thought of Googling the names of the company owners; probably never thought they needed to. I knew Butch Wysong (the father) and he was a Military Veteran, Police Officer and even Chief of Police so to hear they told Paul to disconnect from his father is the most unfathomable suggestion I’ve ever heard. I hope the Nagengast get exactly what is coming to them and that their Paintball field, Haunted Houses and Zip Lines in both Indiana and Florida suffer once people find out their hard-earned money is only going to support a CULT like #Scientology through their WISE connection. They obviously don’t know Paul very well to go and pick a fight with him.

  • Tsktsk

    Judy & Bill N also run a field ministry in Indian with another couple Criss Farmer & her husband. Judy is C/S, Bill is ethics officer, Criss is auditor & the other husband is course supervisor & purif I/C. I stayed there & so did my sister stet, who had Bi-polar. I was gay & recovering from a violent attack. I got so much false purpose rundowns & ethics cycles for being gay. They told me I got attacked because I knew gay people, gay people were 1.1, weakened me spiritually thus I pulled it in…so much silly. My sister got engaged to Judy’s son Ben, which spiraled during a manic episode whichthat group treated her like an animal…not like someone who’s family had just paid over 200k in 24months to have them help her get worse. Anyway, not surprised to hear they had weird stuff going on in their company. I always wondered how they were such zealous scientologists & employing all those non-sci engineers.

  • bbock

    I don’t understand why an employee would tolerate that for a minute. The INSTANT an employer invades your personal life, that is a huge red flag. Your employer should not care about your relationships with your family and friends outside of work. It’s none of their business. That would have had me out the door.