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Louis Farrakhan: Nation of Islam will stand by Scientology as Leah Remini ‘goes in hard’

 
Thanks to tipster “Communicator I/C” for alerting us last night that Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan not only brought up Scientology during his annual “Saviours’ Day” keynote address yesterday afternoon, but he mentioned Leah Remini by name (well, almost), and seemed to question her motives for criticizing her former church.

For quite a few years, we’ve been keeping an eye on the odd relationship that’s developed between Farrakhan’s group and David Miscavige’s Church of Scientology. As best we can tell, that relationship began around the year 2006, when Scientologist and Baptist minister the Rev. Alfreddie Johnson Jr. began bringing Farrakhan to Hollywood Celebrity Centre events. According to NOI’s official publication The Final Call, Farrakhan began introducing Scientology concepts to his Nation of Islam followers on May 8, 2010. Farrakhan had come to the realization that L. Ron Hubbard (perhaps the whitest man who ever lived) had valuable “wisdom” for the black nationalist organization that Farrakhan has led since 1977.

Farrakhan asked his followers to study Hubbard’s original text, the 1950 book Dianetics, which is known as “Book One” to Scientologists. We’ve seen photographs of large convention rooms filled with hundreds of NOI members doing “Book One auditing,” which is the original form of counseling that Hubbard developed and does not use an E-meter. More than a thousand NOI members have been certified as Dianetics auditors, according to The Final Call. We’ve also seen an increasing number of Nation of Islam members doing actual Scientology, and progressing rather far up Scientology’s expensive “Bridge to Total Freedom.” But at this point, we still don’t see much convincing evidence of an actual merger between the two groups.

Yesterday, Farrakhan gave the keynote address at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit at the annual event, which marks the February 26, 1877 birth of the Nation of Islam’s founder, Master Wallace Fard Muhammad. A little more than two hours into his stemwinder, Farrakhan began blaming former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for pushing President Barack Obama to cause the 2011 death of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

Farrakhan said that he was warned by people that he should turn away from Gaddafi “because everyone is turning on him.” But Farrakhan noted, “I don’t turn on my friends,” and certainly not when they are becoming targets. Farrakhan said that Gaddafi had loaned some $5 million to the movement, but that it didn’t buy Gaddafi influence. “I can’t be no whore for $5 million,” he said.

Farrakhan then turned to his relationship to the Church of Scientology, which itself has come under fire like never before.

 

 
“Some of you, my critics, when I saw something of value in Dianetics — ‘ah, look at that Farrakhan. He sold out’ — see, I can prove that I didn’t get a dime from Dianetics or Scientology. We spent a lot of money buying the books on Dianetics. I saw something of value. I thought we could use it. What did you see of value? Let me tell you what I saw,” he said.

He then asked the women in the audience to raise their hands (but then told them not to actually do it) if they had been sexually abused by members of their own families. He talked about how people deal with being victims of such attacks, and how they “overcompensate” with aggressive behavior. Farrakhan spoke about the need to heal from such experiences.

“Dianetics was something that allowed you to confront the things that make you other than yourself to help you move on with your life,” he said. “Now, hell, they’re beating the hell out of Scientology now. So everybody want to run away. Farrakhan not that kind of man.”

He then cited a chapter from the Koran, and used it to say that he was interested in useful knowledge, whatever its source.

“I’m just setting the record straight. I’m not a Scientologist but I respect L. Ron Hubbard. I know that this is the time that they’re making an all out move to destroy Scientology. But what I ask Mrs. Remmy, or whatever her name is, she’s going in hard. She’s hurt, by something.”

Farrakhan then seemed to go on a tangent, talking about his followers looking for understanding but worrying that it was coming from sources that weren’t “perfect.” It was difficult to tell whether this was another reference to Hubbard and Scientology. But he concluded this section of remarks with this line: “The more we strive to make ourselves better, the better we will become in being disciples of Christ or Muhammad or anybody we think we should follow.”

The message seemed pretty clear: Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam will stand by the Church of Scientology as it is marked for destruction by a hurt Leah Remini.

We sent Leah a message to let her know what Farrakhan said. If we hear back from her, we’ll add to the post.

Her recently completed A&E series, Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, had the network’s most-watched premiere episode in two years, and its audience numbers remained high throughout its nine-episode run. A second season is highly anticipated by fans, but we haven’t heard anything definitive yet about whether it’s happening.

The show focused primarily on the experiences of longtime Scientologists and what they had gone through after leaving the organization, particularly for families that had been ripped apart by Scientology’s policy of “disconnection.” The church’s relationship with the Nation of Islam was not mentioned. But it might make for an interesting subject if a second season happens.

 

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,669 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,266 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,306 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,018 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 485 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,603 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,773 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,093 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,068 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 424 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,726 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 833 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,235 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,108 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 689 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,194 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,438 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,547 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on February 20, 2017 at 07:00

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BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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  • Juicer77

    Farrakhan seems to be rambling quite a bit without making much sense. More than previous statements. Interesting that he is taking a softer stand on Leah Remini than I expected, and seems to be distancing the NOI from anything but very early Dianetics. I bet Mismanage is out of patience with the NOI. They haven’t upped the stats in the Orgs, and as far as we know have not provided any fresh “whales” with loads of cash.

  • Alice Graves

    The funniest part of this is him referring to Leah specifically (even though he couldn’t pronounce her last name) having been “hurt, by something….”

    That will direct anyone in his cult who has cold feet about scientology yet hasn’t already checked Leah out, to find her A&E program and experience the overwhelming emotional impact of individual stories of harm by scientology over the past 30 or more years.

    Farrakhan may be crafty, but he clearly is not as skilled as COB in the manipulation of information. That alone will kill any possibility of an ongoing “working relationship” between the two cults.

    • Farrakhan/Scientologists: Ms Remmy is hurt by something

      us: have you seen her show or Going Clear?

      F/S: no, i don’t even know who she is and they’re all just doing it for the money/fame

      Leah: please watch & listen to these heartbreaking true stories then make up your own minds

      us: “something” seems legit

    • Ben Franklin

      Farrakhan suggestion that Leah is going in hard on Scientology because she is “hurt by something” sounds more like Giovanni Ribisi’s statement that the reason Leah is critical of the church is because she must have had a problem with someone or an issue within the Church. I found a bit interesting that Ribisi did not claim that Remini had crimes because Scientologists always accuse their critics of having crimes

      This what Giovanni Ribisi said:

      “Maybe Leah, who I’ve known since I was a teenager, had a problem with — I have a sneaking suspicion it was probably an issue with one or two people in the Church of Scientology. Or maybe it’s broader than that and then it just seems to have festered.”
      See: http://tonyortega.org/2017/02/03/leah-remini-books-the-bill-maher-show-gets-swung-at-by-giovanni-ribisi/

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        If only she had read a book :-/

      • SPs perhaps – who have, of course, since been declared.

  • Ivan Mapother

    The clams goofy unisex, faux naval uniforms look like military surplus rejects compared to the NOI duds. The Nation didn’t spend millions on a state-of-the-art production facility and they came up with really good commercials too. Maybe Little Slappy Dave should be taking a que from Big Lou Farrakhan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctYQ0KQ1nLk

  • nottrue

    What a great Ally..Real smart Scientology..Real smart..I really want to see DM and Farrakhan on the same stage together. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4776a309607c1374f25a934d3cb6a8c59b1261b19ec03a42bd2682c91cf51cd5.jpg

    • kemist

      “how long do you think a nation can do evil and not face the wrath of god?”

      Looking at recent history, I’d say as long as they feel like it.

      If it faces any “wrath”, god has had fuck all to do with it.

    • Frodis73

      What did they do to Hitler? Does he mean before he and his friends built gas chambers and ovens to murder millions or after he killed himself?

      • kemist

        They seem to have forgotten that the first people the “great man” (Ugh) killed en masse, with the complicity of doctors, were vulnerable patients in institutions whose parents were told lies about the way they died.

        • Robert Eckert

          But the Jews caused all those defective people to be born in the first place, by corrupting the pure genetics of the master race– or something.

          • kemist

            Yeah, inbreeding is so much better.

            I wonder what would have happened if those insane bastards had won the war. My guess is that humanity would have become an increasingly feeble, sick and cretinous population, doomed to extinction.

      • April

        “They” did nothing specifically to Hitler himself. The reparations Germany was forced to pay after the end of WWI did put their economy in a deep depression, in addition to the effects of losing WWI. The severe economic hardships and ego bruising the German people experienced after WWI left them ripe for someone like Hitler to rise to power.

    • April

      Farrakhan is equally as disgusting as LRH and DM.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love that point #1 about the mothership raining down death and destruction on whitey! Sounds likes the NOI’s variation on the Rapture fantasy that evangelicals believe in! Why go anywhere, we’ll just get God to kill all these white devils and save us the trip 😉

      • Makes you wonder about what would happen if both apocalypses took place at once… all those evangelicals hurtling upwards while the Mother-Wheel was firing down.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Oh, you laugh now, but just wait until the Marcabian Invader force is hovering over your house! We’ll see how much you feel like J&Ding then, won’t we?

          • I might ask them to take some pictures of the roof – it’s overdue for an inspection.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Another fruitloop.

  • J. Swift

    Make no mistake about it: Mr. Farrakhan listens to his critics inside and outside the Nation. That is why he delivered his impassioned apologia of L. Ron Hubbard and Dianetics several years ago. Farrakhan doubling down on Scientology in 2017 means he’s feeling the heat from inside and outside the Nation.

    Here’s where I see Mr. Farrakhan as having a crashing misunderstood: There is an enormous difference between Dianetics and Scientology auditing, which is what he wants for himself and the Nation, and the psycho-terrorist criminality, lies, financial rape, Disconnection, Fair Game, and human rights abuses of the Church of Scientology as an organization. To the extent that the Nation of Islam is affiliated with the Church of Scientology then the atrocities and and blood guilt of the Church sticks to the Nation.

    Attacking Leah Remini is wrong-targeting on the part of Mr. Farrakhan and here’s why:

    * No one out here is destroying Scientology.

    * No one out here is stopping the delivery of any Scientology Organization.

    * No one out here stopping the delivery of Dianetics and Scientology inside the Nation of Islam or anywhere else.

    What Leah Remini and others out here are doing is simple: We are working to expose the psycho-terrorist criminality, lies, financial rape, Disconnection, Fair Game, and human rights abuses of the Church of Scientology as an organization.

    Families out here have been ruined by the psycho-terrorist practice of Disconnection and the systematic financial rape of “parishioners” carried out by the Church. Disconnection is cowardly emotional blackmail and not true power. Financially destroying people and families is just plain evil. If Mr. Farrakhan wants to be part of breaking up families by Disconnection or financially ruining people then that’s on him and the Nation.

    Mr. Farrakhan says he is not a Scientologist but rather uses the techniques of Scientology. Well then he has already decoupled and distanced himself and the Nation from the Church of Scientology by identifying as Muslim and not as Scientologists.

    But even this is harmatia, for it is missing the mark. If Mr. Farrakhan wanted to be strategic, he would explicitly denounce the psycho-terrorist Church of Scientology organization and state that he and the Nation do not approve of Disconnection and Fair Game and refuse to engage in these hateful and destructive practices.

    LRH, Dianetics, and Scientology are not an “all or nothing at all” proposition. One can actually take the parts of the Tech that work for them and reject the rest. KSW is a trap and a lie inasmuch as it forces good people to empower Scientology psycho-terrorism. KSW is an inherently insane and self-destructive policy. I know damn well Farrakhan sees this. Farrakhan has been the leader of the Nation for so long that he can see how utterly self-serving LRH was as a leader with KSW.

    Farrakhan has the power to force change upon the Church of Scientology from without. He has the power to call for the Church of Scientology to reform itself. Absent a call for change and reform, Mr. Farrakhan explicitly assents to, and condones, everything that is evil about the Church of Scientology.

    • Ben Franklin

      I don’t think Farrakhan is fully informed on the dangers of Scientology, he is probably listening to the likes of Alfreddie Johnson who are telling him how wonderful and great Scientology is.

      When I hear Farrakhan talk about Scientology, he always talks about using it to advance/better his people. So far, I don’t know how many of NOI members have even come face to face with the brutal LRH policies of Fair game, and disconnection. I am a bit optimistic that if a former member of Scientology like Leah, Mike, or anyone with in depth knowledge of Scientology were to sit down with Farrakhan and explain to him what the upper levels of Scientology is all about, I believe Farrakhan would probably withdraw from Scientology. Right now the only people Farrakhan is talking to about Scientology are the people who brought him into it. The people who are probably telling him how critics are wrong and how great Scientology is. I don’t think Farrakhan and his members have experienced the dark side of Scientology just yet.

      ETA: For an example of what I am referring to by stating that Farrakhan is not being fully informed on Scientology, see:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXJiBup6IdM

    • Robert Eckert

      *hamartia

  • I (we) live in this constantly changing life. To those still in lurkers ~ take a peek at the whole wide world. Thank you Leah and Joe Rogan. Be well everybody 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ0-VeWMr-A

  • Observer
    • Newiga

      Observerhund! 😍 My fox terrier approves using your human’s bed/lap/blanket for sleeping!

      • Observer

        That’s my lap. This is how I work every day. When things get stressful it’s wonderful to be able to take a smooch-the-Velociraptor break. 😄

        Observerhund doesn’t spend much time in my lap when I’m working, and it’s just as well because she’s heavy enough that she puts my legs to sleep.

        • Juicer77
          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            It’s all that cider 😉

            • Juicer77

              I told him to stop at 3, but does he listen?!??

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              That’s because he only speaks German XD

          • Observer

            Awwww, good puppy!

          • Just Dee

            Love german shepherds! My husband and I both grew up with them & have two. Other than the amount they shed, they are absolutely wonderful dogs!

            • Juicer77

              They shed?!? I thought all kitchens came equipped with tumbleweeds! XD

        • Juicer77

          Optimum workplace arrangement. 🙂

    • Alice Graves

      What life is really about….insufferable cuteness.

  • o/t – freedom of speech just watch what you say:
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-cpac-milo-yiannopoulos-tape-235204

    • daisy

      I do not have a problem with someone not being able to talk about the joys of pedophlia and hate speech but hey that is just me.

      • sure, i agree to a certain extent. however, if someone is going to say it (whatever dodgy “it” is that i might not like) i want to know, rather than allow them to hide comfortably in the shadows.

      • April

        The only problem is how you define “hate speech.” The CO$ considers any criticism of it to be “hate speech.” I don’t consider calling people (and organizations) out for their demonstrably bad behavior to be hate speech, though.

        • daisy

          I was speaking of him personally . Calls for violence and threats are what I consider hate speech. Inciting illegal activities such a pedophilia should be outlawed . The very least he should have his speeches cancelled. The right to speak freely in my opinion does not supercede all other rights. The people who figure those things out are quite literally judges.

  • Liberated

    It’s “President’s Day “……..have you bought your mattress yet?

    • PickAnotherID

      NO!

    • “Not My President’s Day”

    • Robert Eckert

      This very special President’s Day there are bargains on white sheets, the best bargains, fantastic!

  • Jimmy3

    *ringing*

    Lou: Mr. COB, it’s Louis Farrakhan again. Line 1.
    COB: Sweet mother of Ron, what does this annoying prick want now?

    *COB picks up line 1*

    COB: Religious Technology Center. This is the motherfucking Pope speaking. How can you help me?
    Farrakhan: Dave! It’s Louis. I been tryin to get hold of you.
    COB: Yeah, I know. What do you want?
    Farrakhan: I was wonderin if we could talk about uhh… Is this a bad time?
    COB: Yeah, kinda. I’m reading the Bunker and snapchatting with Tom and Marty. What do you want? Is this about that fucking spaceship again, Louie?
    Farrakhan: No, no. It’s about the money–
    COB: –No! Shut your fucking mouth right there! There is no ‘about the money’! Your only worry ‘about the money!’ is getting it to me. Then I will worry about the damn money when I have it.
    Farrakhan: All I’m sayin is I can’t be no whore for no $5 million!
    COB: No one is calling you a whore, Louis. You have it backwards. You’re paying me to fuck you, remember? So you’re actually the john in this arrangement. You’re not a whore. See?
    Farrakhan: Well, I supp–
    COB: –listen, Louie… I gotta go now. One of my PIs was arrested with his pants around his ankles and his head caught in a fence.
    Farrakhan: Well–
    COB: –We’ll catch up when you come to pay me, alright? Bye now.
    Farrakhan: I–
    *click*
    *dial tone*

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      One of your best COB-Farrakhan skits to date *bravo*

      • Jimmy3

        Thank you Johnny

    • flyonthewall

      which of his heads was caught in the fence?

      • Jimmy3

        I didn’t think that far into it, so let’s just say both. Or all three. He had some produce with him and the lettuce got stuck too.

        • flyonthewall

          damn, he freaky!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Beautiful. Jimmy. Just beautiful.

    • Missionary Kid

      Well done.

  • Alice Graves

    This may be “off topic” but maybe not – it’s about more “false prophets” and “fake news.”

    It pertains to comments some contributors here posted recently in anticipation of Bill Maher’s Feb. 17 show featuring Leah Remini, but also the unbelievably weird Milo Yiannopoulos.

    Politico.com just reported that “Milo Yiannopoulos lost his keynote speaking slot at the Conservative Political Action Conference after tapes surfaced of the right wing provocateur and senior Breitbart editor advocating for sexual relationships between ‘younger boys and older men.’ ”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-cpac-milo-yiannopoulos-tape-235204

    I saw this creep for the first time on last Friday’s Bill Maher show, and couldn’t believe he could have a listening audience on ANY channel or blog – and Bill Maher easily dismissed him as a fool after spending only 10 minutes with him on his show.

    • Tony Ortega

      We must have watched different shows. I saw Maher get chummy with him and make excuses for his attacks on transgender people. I thought Maher was about as useless as he could possibly have been.

      • Graham

        Did I hear Maher say at some point that this callow youth had the potential someday to be another Christopher Hitchens? What a bloody insult to Hitchens.

        • Liberated

          I thought the same thing.

      • Alice Graves

        The whole premise of Bill Maher’s show is to extend a listen to opposing views – even if they’re to controversial people like Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly. His show couldn’t exist if he didn’t provide some airing of what the opposition believes, no matter how crazy it is.

        He told this creep right at the outset of the interview that he thinks he is “colossally wrong” about many of this views but then offered some listening for what the creep actually believes. How else do you expose publicly what the craziest believe? Can you also dismiss Ted Koppel for having aired the interview with David Miscavige because he should have known he was crazy?

        No – the media exposure of DM worked back then, and it still works. The insane still need to be exposed for their insane views. That’s what Bill Maher does.

        At the end of the stint, he clearly dismissed this guy as an “impish, British fag,” knowing he could use that derogatory term because both sides have established that comedy has become too politically correct. And he then told him “to get off the Trump train” before cutting him off completely to move on to his much more respectable panel.

        • Alice Graves

          Other premise of the show – the panel is also there to call a spade a spade when someone is talking crazy. The host and creator is there to bring opposing viewpoints and voices together and coax them out of their media shells so that this can happen.

        • Ben Franklin

          Here is the interview. This way everyone can decide for themselves what they think of it.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImHh7fqrQo

          The overtime portion of the Interview:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDLflyQ8TA

      • Having not seen the show, let me vehemently disagree with your analysis.
        You viewed it through the filter of your neurological system, including everything you ever learned and experienced.
        Therefore, you are biased.
        I, on the other hand, did not see it, and thus, am free of such fact-based prejudice.

    • Frodis73

      It’s good to know the GOP draws the line at pedophilia and all but the racism, sexism, Islamophobia and xenophobia is all good eh? I also think Bill could have been a lot tougher on him.

    • Liberated

      Sorry, but I thought Maher kissed his ass.
      The only person that treated him like he deserved was Larry Wilmore.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Apparently, Milo as a pearl-clutching advocate for the North American Man/Boy Love Association’s goal of legalizing sex with children just didn’t go over so well with his mostly homophobic alt right brethren. But just wait until they find out about his appetite for BBQ’ed babies; that’s really going to slow his roll!

      Milo has had his fifteen minutes of fame; now it’s time for him to shuffle off the stage to join folks like Vanilla Ice on Celebrity Rehab, where both of their comeback careers are sure to get started 😉

      On a related note: If Twump thinks that the mainstream media traffics in mostly “fake news,” then I’d absolutely love to hear his take on the kind of stuff that Brietbart regularly puts out.

      • J. Swift

        Milo’s become the Ted Haggard of the Alt Right. And now the Alt Right will dump Milo as fast as the Republican Evangelicals dumped Ted Haggard when his scandal broke.

        Breitbart will fire Milo in the next few hours. They have no other choice. Milo has to go. Even Scientology won’t take Milo as he is now radioactive forever.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          If $cn won’t welcome you into the fold, then you’re destined to be sleeping with the hounds very soon.

          What I like the best about this scandal is how it reflects on Breitbart, which hopefully will become known for being loud and proud in their support for buggery with consenting minors. Of course it’s a complete misrepresentation of the site’s position on the issue, but it’s high time that turnabout becomes fair play, imo.

    • Science Doc

      Bill knew what he was doing. A week ago very few people had seen even 10 seconds of Milo. Now several million people will eventually see this interview and form their own opinions. And they won’t be good opinions. Milo would have been better off if he had stayed under his rock. Milo made astonishing comments like saying he won’t hire gays because they take too many drugs and don’t come to work on time. Meanwhile Bill continued to make it clear that conservatives, even whack jobs, are welcome on Real Time. And he knows when to let his panel do the dirty work. Piers Anthony got a taste of that the previous week.

      • at dinner this weekend w/ a few friends and the conversation turned to Milo (which never in a billion yrs would’ve happened had he not been on Maher’s show the night before) and someone at the table said, “oh, the annoying cross between Bruno and Borat?”

        • Science Doc

          Bill told Milo he looked like Bruno, and it struck a nerve.

      • Alice Graves

        Couldn’t agree more. When the nut jobs get too loud for me, I just work the mute button real hard. It’s not a perfect system but it beats smashing up my $700 flat screen TV.

    • Missionary Kid

      From Raw Story:
      Fox Business Network’s Charlie Gasparino confirmed on Monday that Yiannopoulos is “facing possible dismissal” within Breitbart, noting there is a “fierce debate” within the company.

      “There are senior people inside Breitbart right now that are saying that these latest statements are a bridge too far,” Gasparino explained. He continued later, “[Yiannopoulos] has made many controversial statements … and this one has pushed it over the line.” Gasparino added that Breitbart has generally defended Yiannopoulos’ statements.

      “I just know that inside Breitbart, there are people saying that there’s a good chance — there is a debate, there are people that want him to stay — but they find this thing very, very hard to defend and we’re going to see what happens,” said Gasparino.

  • I know some don’t like it (ahem, I’m looking at you who shall remain nameless……) but this I found to be informative and entertaining regarding the deep origins of the unholy alliance of NOI and CoS.
    Leila is a former NOI, so there’s that perspective. She has also been active in resisting both cults, and has been physically intimidated by NOI.
    Brave woman who deserves a listen, and support.
    https://smile.amazon.com/Farrakhan-Movie-Leila-Wills/dp/1477477950/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1487627263&sr=1-1&keywords=farrakhan+the+movie

    • Frodis73

      Whoa. In one of the reviews it says that he has been studying scientology for more than 30 years. Is that true or is the reviewer wrong?

      • Can’t comment on a reviewer, but Leila has her facts straight.

        • Frodis73

          So Leila says this too? I am just trying to be clear about this…

          • Its been a while since I read the book.
            But the shit goes wayback.

          • Get the book, if you can.

            • Frodis73

              Ok, thanks. I’d like to. Have to see if library has it. If his involvement does go back that far I wonder how much he has done and if it is really only Book 1 stuff.

            • Its deep.
              I have my theories.
              See, Louie was near death a while back.
              His recent history starts there.
              I’d really like you to read the book. I know things are tight.
              We’ll work on that.

            • Frodis73

              Oh really….the plot thickens!! I def want to read it. In fact, I was thinking this earlier when Fly had mentioned there wasn’t a book out there detailing the history of NOI. It would be nice if a Larry Wright would tackle it. From the reviews it looks like she did a good job.

      • Ben Franklin

        I don’t think that review is accurate. What Farrakhan himself have said about he discovered Scientology (actually in one of the video clips I posted here today) is that he learned about the religion and notion of auditing from a colleague who had left NOI and joined Scientology over 30 years ago. It only indicates that Farrakhan was aware of Scientology as a religion and the practice of auditing almost 30 years ago but never paid that much attention to it until around 2009, I believe, when he started urging his followers to study Dianetics and to take up auditing.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Mr. Farrakhan has got it all wrong: Nation of Islam should STAY clear of Dianetics and Scientology.

  • HTC

    OT, anyone see the movie The Soloist? Jamie Foxx plays a talented musician suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and Robert Downey, Jr. plays the reporter (Steve Lopez) that wrote articles about him…it’s a true story. I’m reading the book written by Steve Lopez and it’s pretty good. I’ve just read a part in the book where Steve is talking to the mother of another schizophrenic and her countless efforts to bring about change for the mentally ill. Lo and behold, it’s right at this time that good ole Tommy Cruise (hate him, hence HTC) comes out with all his nutty bullshit. I’ve always loathed him for his rants on the mentally ill, but I never thought of how his outbursts affected the millions of family member affected by or dealing with serious mental illness on a daily basis. The back and forth in the book is pretty spot on in the book with regard to TC. Also interesting, I started watching the movie today and there’s a newspaper dropped on a desk with the headline reading “Scientology reached..” and that’s all I could make out. Maybe Tony knows if there’s any connection.

    • Frodis73

      I have seen the movie and have wanted to read the book. I really want to check it out now for that exchange.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Only one study session per week??? Aren’t they supposed to go to courses at least 2 1/2 hours each day?

      • That doesn’t include auditing.
        But hey, what about the enormous balls it took to post that “Scientology Keep Out” sign?
        Geez, what do you got to do to get some respect?

        • Jimmy3

          That’s odd… Talking about ball size usually works for me.

          • I know, right?

          • I find that claiming to have the world’s smallest also sometimes works.
            (“Oh no they’re not.”)
            At bars on Sunday nights.
            Your mileage may differ.

    • I gotta tell ya it was a bitch staple-gunning that sign to that rotted out old light post.

  • Solo raid 2010, first I spotted NOI at the local org.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNRwgHzZ9DI

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      This is great. I love your solo protests and “Danger!” signs and stickers.

      I cracked up when you scolded the building 😀

      • I wish I had back-up.
        But what ever.
        I ain’t scared.

        • DoveAlexa

          I thought Pfizer was backing you up? Like with silent black helicopters or whatever?

          • No, but I had ingested a boatload of their finest.

  • flyonthewall

    Haha! Simon & Schuster cancelled Milo’s book! That amuses me

    • CPAC disinvited him.
      “Is THIS the bridge too far?” someone asked.
      How far IS “too far” for even the “poorly educated”?

    • Missionary Kid

      You’ll like this even better. Raw Story reported the following:
      Fox Business Network’s Charlie Gasparino confirmed on Monday that Yiannopoulos is “facing possible dismissal” within Breitbart, noting there is a “fierce debate” within the company.

      “There are senior people inside Breitbart right now that are saying that these latest statements are a bridge too far,” Gasparino explained. He continued later, “[Yiannopoulos] has made many controversial statements … and this one has pushed it over the line.” Gasparino added that Breitbart has generally defended Yiannopoulos’ statements.

      “I just know that inside Breitbart, there are people saying that there’s a good chance — there is a debate, there are people that want him to stay — but they find this thing very, very hard to defend and we’re going to see what happens,” said Gasparino,
      ===
      Since that comes from a branch of Fox Newz, It may well be true.

      • flyonthewall

        palace intrigue in the alt right kingdom, smh

        • Missionary Kid

          Couldn’t happen to a more appropriate organization.

      • Frodis73

        Ha! Oh this is so great if true. I bet he was really thinking his ship had come in recently.

    • Frodis73

      Good. He can self publish or some small publisher that is willing to go there can do it. F Milo.

      • flyonthewall

        I doubt he’ll do that. You don’t get a big fat advance and a fancy promoting tour self publishing

        • Frodis73

          So true. I wonder if he has to give any money he took from S&S back (if he took any). I don’t care enough to read the details. lol

          • flyonthewall

            hopefully he got a fat check and spent it all on coke and male escorts but now S&S want it back and he’ll have to become a male escort to raise the money. Yep, that’s how it’s gonna go down

            • Frodis73

              I approve.

  • Sejanus

    Louis Farrakook can’t put on a suit but still sounds like an imbecile.
    Would love to know what Dinky Massengil thinks and says behind LF’s back

    • flyonthewall

      he prob says, “uh-uh yeah you like that don’t you!? UHHHH!”

      or something to that effect

    • MissCandle

      It depends on what he has confessed in his auditing sessions to date.

  • nateht

    NOI and COS plus points:
    – paranoid people find comfort in their own kind.
    – both have reasons (of their own!) to need affirmation from that other race.
    – incredibly poor people in both camps commiserate well together.

    NOI and COS out points:
    – both sides must imagine what? that the other side will come around to their religion? ain’t going to happen.
    – NOI poor folks are looking for ways to increase their wealth. won’t find it here!
    – COS folks are ultimately looking for rich donors. won’t find them here!

  • TexasBroad

    I have no trouble understanding NOI’s usefulness to DM – a stream of income.
    It is harder to imagine Scientology/Dianetic’s usefulness to Minister Farrakhan. Worrisome to me though that he speaks so much of the suppression of his followers and now speaks in terms of Suppressive People as understood by Scientology. The process of indoctrination regarding Suppressive People…dehumanizing those deemed suppressive- could be useful to him.

    • Jimmy3

      It seems he may genuinely believe in Dianetics. Also, they’re both persecuted minority groups held down by the White Christian Demons, so maybe it’s nothing more than an ‘enemy of my enemy..’ situation. Because you know the Great Mother Wheel won’t win every battle for them.

      • TexasBroad

        Who knows, Jimmy3? I can’t wrap my head around the alliance at all.

        • Jimmy3

          fly would probably know. He used to intern at their branch in Havana. It was just him and a small army of Lego men.

        • Ben Franklin

          The only things he raves about Scientology so far are his perceived benefits of Dianetics and auditing. If you do a quick search on Farrakhan and Scientology, you will see what I mean.

          • TexasBroad

            Oh, I’ve scampered through that rabbit hole for hour and hours on end previously and was late for work this morning after the post sent me googling/reading all over again. Still baffles me.
            But a lot of things do.

      • No one “genuinely believes” in Dianetics.
        You remember your first free hit on the crack pipe don’t you?
        Yeah, its like that.

        • Ben Franklin

          You would have no Scientologists if no one “genuinely believes” in Dianetics.

          • No one genuinely believes in Dianetics, including Scientologists.

            • Ben Franklin

              That is a tough one to prove or disprove. For me, if someone is paying a lot of money for something then they likely believe in that thing unless they are into wasting money for no reason

            • Robert Eckert

              Hey, some people are into being pissed on.

        • Jimmy3

          Of course. It was my birthday. Got in a fight with that creepy purple guy from the Chuck E Cheese band, and they never refunded my prize tickets.

          • That ain’t right.

          • flyonthewall

            CEC is not a safe place to hang out, fights break out there all the time. Plz be safe

            • Jimmy3

              Found out later it’s not even a real person, rather some sort of animatronic demonbot. But I still feel sorry for throwing up on him.

            • flyonthewall

              Well, all things considered, I still think you handled yourself with dignity and poise

            • daisy

              You spoiled princess. In my day if you wanted to play with a rat you had to corner him in the kitchen.

            • Kestrel

              I never play with my food.

          • TexasBroad

            A bright and shiny moment in motherhood that I hold precious and dear — when my son told me he was too old to go to Chuck E Cheese anymore. Seriously, that mouse guy creeped me out.

            • Jimmy3

              The only part I’m not kidding about it is that stupid animatronic band. It really did freak me out as a kid.

    • Ben Franklin

      Farrakhan has had strange bedfellows of late, and one of those is Alex Jones. They both see eye to eye on many fronts, especially, on politics, government, and global conspiracies. Farrakhan also seems to like and hate certain things about Trump but he doesn’t like Hillary at all for what happened with Gaddafi. He blames Hillary and not Obama for Gaddafi’s overthrow and death.

      I know I keep saying that Farrakhan’s racist rhetoric has somewhat softened lately, but, there are a few here who suggest that I am letting off easy on the subject of racism. If you follow some of Farrakhan’s recent speeches and statements, he doesn’t talk much about the white man being the devil as he once did.

  • daisy

    Oh he has gone and done it now. He pissed off the Swedes . Everyone knows you do not mess with the Swedes .

    • Missionary Kid
      • PickAnotherID

        While a flying squirrel watched.

      • You know those lighted Christmas reindeer?
        I saw a display where someone made them all hump each other.
        It was funny.

        • Missionary Kid

          Where was Rudolf?

          • Getting lucky.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m wondering if his nose got brighter.

            • I know mine does.

    • I just bought a metric allen wrench. (True fact)
      It wasn’t in honor of IKEA….or was it?
      Yeah…it was!

      • Missionary Kid

        I have a full set of both English and Metric tools, and it’s because I’ve worked on all sorts of cars. The only tools I don’t have, and, thankfully, don’t need are Whitworth dimensioned. Even the Brits have abandoned that standard.

        • PickAnotherID

          Whitworth. *shudder*

          Brings back memories of trying to find a set of them in the US, back when I owned a Triumph GT6 sports car. Talk about the brink of a nervous breakdown, when nothing SAE or metric would fit a bolt head. And there wasn’t enough space to get an adjustable wrench on it.

          • Ha ha. Been there. (Not with the Triumph in particular)
            Infernal.

            • PickAnotherID

              I tried to get the Triumph dealer to sell me a set, but they wouldn’t. One of the mechanics felt pity on me and pointed out, even though they didn’t have them in stores, Sears & Roebuck had a Whitworth wrench set in their catalog back then.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think that you could even buy them at J.C. Whitney.

            • There is a solution, now that you probably don’t need it…
              http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/spanner-sets/0735497/

            • PickAnotherID

              Interesting. The GT6 is long gone though. These days I mostly ride the bus.

            • ReallyMGM

              The Triumphs were the WORST. Our Lotuses have been incredibly reliable. Not Honda-reliable, but pretty damned good. Just have to worry about a soccer moms in SUVs killing you.

            • OOkpik

              We had a Triumph 650 that, year in and year out, always took on any challenge and got us home safely. It was the Honda 350 that never met an intersection that it didn’t die in. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes…

            • Missionary Kid

              The British motorcycles were, IMO, much more reliable than the cars of that era. I’ll bet the Honda suffered from the carburetors being out of synch or not adjusted properly. You’re right that sometimes you get lucky.

            • Missionary Kid

              I had breakfast with a buddy of mine who has been into motorcycles for a long time, and he told me that the Honda 350 was a real POS. Apparently, they never got the carburation right, and the problems persisted somewhat when they increased the size of the motor to, IIRC A 400 or 450.

            • Ha! How about the Morgan?
              I ran across one the other night. First ever for me I think. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1edf702b687cf306e42f82c7055cfe61d46109e8da189113fd5ce909acd6e3bc.jpg
              The owner was unaware of the Peter Sellers movie “The Party” where his pickup line was, “Would you like to take a ride in my three wheeled Morgan?”
              And years ago Car and Driver magazine did a faux review of a faux car loosely based on the Morgan. Their’s was called “The Chauvinist”.
              I believe the Morgan had a wooden frame, no?

            • ReallyMGM

              Some had wooden frames. Others didn’t.

            • Missionary Kid

              What year were your Lotuses made? The earliest ones were known for being quick, and especially good handling. As the design grew older, other cars started to have more powerful engines, which put them at a disadvantage.

              The words associated with Lotus are sporty and fun, with a lot of control.

            • ReallyMGM

              The first one was a Renault powered Europa. It was so-so. Then we bought a ’74 JPS Europa (cig comp that sponsored the racing team). It is much faster. Later we bought a ’65 Elan convertible. We still have those two. Lotus weee never known for having extremely high high horsepower engines, but being light, nimble and handling better than anything on the road. They also have no frills or extras.
              Jays Garage (jay Leno) has some great Lotus Elan videos

            • ReallyMGM

              I don’t know if I answed this:
              The first was a 69 Renault powered 4 cylinder
              Then we bought the 65 Elan convertible. It is a 4 cylinder too. Ford motor, souped up by Lotus. The JPS Europa is a twin cam (almost 1600cc) so is a speed demon next to the others.
              The deal with the Lotus isn’t the speed but the handling. There might not be a better handling car ever built. But don’t expect any extras in a Lotus, they are bare bones cars! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d1e46c439e50b4cafaaea55c1044446a030648b8cc3a1f9dfa10ebd32605167.jpg Will try to include photo of our Elan. Very old photo with bad resolution. Car is in much better shape than the photo shows. Original knockoff Mini lite wheels (and we have the knock off wires, too), a factory hardtop, any gooodie that was available, it has.

            • Missionary Kid

              In aviation, by keeping weight down and designing a small airplane, you get great performance, be it speed, ability to climb, take off/land in a small place, or long range, you keep the plane light. A powerful engine helps climb ability the most, and an efficient one range. Surprisingly, the best way to get speed is to make a plane small and, slippery. (Basically, you have to double the power in order to get an increase in speed of the square root of 2).

              Colin Chapman got great performance by making cars as light as possible, designing great suspension, and stuffing a relatively powerful engine in a small chassis. When you build it bare-bones, you keep the weight down.
              I’d like to drive a Lotus some day, or at least get a demonstration of its handling ability.

            • ReallyMGM

              He was certainly an innovator. Changed Indy car racing, Formula 1 racing, and had a little car company on the side. A local physician has all the personal correspondence he had with him when he bought his car in the 60s. There was no one here to work on it. CC essentially told him he had no business owning any car he couldn’t keep running!
              For some fun Lotus videos see: https://youtu.be/1cPcpMmN18M
              Jay Leno’s Garage. Lotus Elan restoration

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks for the video.

              Did you know that Colin Chapman was also involved with developing a European Ultralight (the equivalent of our Light Sport class of airplanes) when he died?

              I really appreciate Jay’s attitude towards his cars. He says he’s just their current caretaker.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m not usually a fan of a “tribute car,” but that one is very well done. At only ~1300 pounds empty, it’ll kick ass. I would have liked to see it on a track with a professional driver. (I realize Jay is good, but he acknowledges he’s not that good).

            • ReallyMGM

              I’d like to have the original Super Seven they had in the lineup. When we first started autocross I got we saw them at the bigger events. Ow they are all put away as collector items. I would love one to drive my grandson to soccer practice and to the grocery store.
              I imagine the conversation with my suburban cops…
              “It’s a L-O-T-U-S.”
              Yes, it is street legal…see the little bumper?” ”
              “No, it is not a race car
              “Yes sir, I am sure your uncle enjoyed his MG Midget.”
              But get out
              We have a very active British Sports Car Club here, but we are the only Lotus owners. We had a dealer for the new models a few years ago and still only saw a few around…and we were at the sports car events where those types gravitate.

            • Missionary Kid

              I live close to Palm Springs and Palm Desert, where there are a number of wealthy car people. I’ve seen a couple of the newest Lotuses around, but rarely.

              Years ago, I can remember seeing Elites and Elans at sports car events when I lived in other places in So. California.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’d be too cool for school, hauling the kid around in a Super Seven. True auto aficionados would let you go first at a 4-way stop.

            • ReallyMGM

              He is a big fan of Lotuses. Stories on the Lotus forum from drivers all over So Cal where he frequently stops Lotus drivers to talk to about their cars. Some he chased down so he could talk cars.

            • Missionary Kid

              Jay has said that his wife never had to worry about him chasing other women or getting involved with drugs, because he was into cars. I’ve got my TIVO set to record his series on cable. It isn’t as good or as thorough as his online Garage series, but it really does explore car culture.

          • Missionary Kid

            I had a college roommate, in about 1964 who bought a Norton 500 motorcycle. It wasn’t the classic single, but a twin. Because he didn’t have Whitworth tools, he couldn’t take the head off.

            The bike, like most British engines of that era, had a long stroke, which is great for a wide torque band. I could put it in high gear at 20 mph, open the throttle, and it would just start at a slow chug and slowly pick up speed at first. You couldn’t do that on Japanese bikes.

            In going down the rabbit hole of Whitworth, I came across the nuttiness that only the Brits would do. “British Morris and MG engines from 1923 to 1955 were built using metric threads but with bolt heads and nuts dimensioned for Whitworth spanners and sockets.”

            • PickAnotherID
            • Missionary Kid

              British engines were notorious for dieseling after the engine was shut off because of carbon and lead build-up that created hot spots, which would keep the engine running with the ignition turned off.

              The saying was, “There will always be an England, because when you shut off one of their engines, it runs on, and on, and on.

            • ze moo

              I have several words about British cars and motorcycles. Lucas electrics.

            • Missionary Kid

              Lucas: The Prince of Darkness. I’ve posted this before, but there used to be a website named ilovelucaselectrics. I emailed a friend about it, and he emailed me back that he couldn’t open it. I told him it was because it was all black.

            • ReallyMGM

              Only someone who has driven one knows about all the Lucas jokes.
              Or always having a screwdriver and can of oil in the car.
              And a sheet of cardboard under the car because they are like an unhousebroken puppy.

            • Missionary Kid

              Back in the 60’s Volvo made good, reliable, cars. They had one flaw: they used Lucas Electrics parts. On the Volvo 122S that I had, and liked, the fuses were Lucas types. The Swedes did manage, somehow, to keep the problems at a minimum.

            • ReallyMGM

              Our first car when we got married was a 77 TR7. Worst car ever. Built during Brit labor disputes.

            • Missionary Kid

              The phrase is, “I’m all right, Jack.” (Followed by, “and screw you.”)

            • ReallyMGM

              YOU DID IT!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              For those of you unfamiliar with cars and motorcycles, Lucas made electrical parts for British cars for years. Being British, which, at the time manufactured things in a particular way because that’s how it always was done, they didn’t improve their product.

              The British refused to go to Bosch electrical parts because they were made in Germany, and Germany was their enemy for two recent wars. This was in spite of the fact that Lucas Electrics products were notoriously unreliable, and did all sorts of strange things, like when the horn was sounded, the wipers would operate.

              Some Lucas Electrics jokes:
              Why do they put insulation on Lucas Electrics wires? To keep the smoke in.
              Why do the British drink warm beer? Because Lucas Electrics makes refrigerators.
              If Lucas made guns, wars would not start.
              The Lucas motto: “Get home before dark.”

              There’s many more. Just google it.

            • ReallyMGM

              MK, my husband and you could talk for hours at HowdyCon on nothing but cars!

            • Missionary Kid

              Not really. I was never a car guy, but I learned to work on them out of necessity, because I don’t like paying for something I can do.

              I’ve had some odd cars, among them, my parent’s Renault Dauphene, and my own British Ford Anglia that looked like the one used in Harry Potter, as well as Volvos, and different Japanese models.

              I didn’t own, but I’ve worked on a Rolls and a little on a Jag and an early Audi Quattro. Each has its quirks that are cultural. I tend to look at a car as transportation, but I do keep track of developments.

            • You had an Anglebox! That’s one car I never touched.

              I was mostly BL because they were cheap used and you could get the parts from scrapyards.

              A standard accessory for my mini was the side of a cardboard box wedged in behind the radiator grille to protect the distributor when you drove through water in heavy rain.

              Cars were so crude, then – but at least you could fix them yourself. Now most people are locked out of own vehicles by the way in which manufacturers make the ECU near-impossible to access

            • ReallyMGM

              Just don’t mention Lucas “Prince of Darkness.”

            • I had a BL Marina Van which did more than that. If you got it really hot, and the timing was out, it would start up again after you had parked it were walking away.

            • Missionary Kid

              WOW! That could be dangerous.

            • Almost all British cars of that period (and even now) have manual gearboxes. When you park, you apply the handbrake and select neutral – so it’s not going to run away if the engine starts.

              In practice, it was just annoying. I don’t know what would happen with a automatic, though – I’ve never driven one.

            • Missionary Kid

              When you put an automatic gearbox in Park, a pawl is engaged that keeps the drive wheels from moving, and the engine is disconnected from the gearbox. The motor wold run, but the car wouldn’t move.

              Automatics won’t allow you to remove the key without putting the car in park.

            • I’d manage to do it, somehow, accidentally 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I know the feeling. Sometimes I feel like Joe Btfspik, too, He was a cartoon character that “A small, dark rain cloud perpetually hovers over his head to symbolize his bad luck. He is a walking example of what later became Murphy’s Law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Btfsplk

            • Missionary Kid

              Most automobiles (not including trucks), 96% in the U.S., are sold with automatic transmissions.

              I was talking with a woman who had one of the newer Minis, and she called it theft proof because there’s a whole generation of Americans who have never driven a stick shift.

              Recently, someone stole a package delivery truck. Somehow, the thief only made it a few blocks when the cops easily caught up with him because he didn’t know how to drive a stick shift.

            • My mini didn’t have sychromesh on first gear. You had to double-declutch to select first while moving, or just stop. Also, the gear lever was was at least three feet long, because it was directly connected to the gearbox, which was under the engine. You had to feel around a bit to find the gears at all, until you were used to it.

              incidentally, I am always impressed by the way in which our terms for Cars (automobiles) are completely different, although we both speak English.

              Stick shift (manual gearbox)
              Damper (shock absorber)
              Hood (bonnet)
              Trunk (boot)

              And so on and so forth…

            • Missionary Kid

              G.B. Shaw said that we are two countries separated by a common language.

              I started kindergarten and was kicked up to the first form (my mother had taught me to read before I started school) at King George V school in Hong Kong, so I’m fairly aware of the differences between British and American English. When I’m tired, I will sometimes write behaviour and colour.

              In electronics, the British term is “valve” for what we call a “tube.” Valve is actually quite accurate in describing what the device does with electrons. In the same way, damper describes what the device does quite well.

              We call a transmission without synchromesh a “crash box”, even if it’s just first gear. I’ve driven a manual gearbox that had a faulty slave cylinder so the clutch was engaged all the time for several miles through traffic by starting out in first (it had a good starter, and the ground was flat) and double clutching through the gears.

              When I drive a motorcycle, I often shift without using the clutch once I’m moving.

              I’m wondering if you have an equivalent term for a Johnson rod.

            • ‘Thermionic valve’, yes. And it was a ‘crash gearbox’ over here if it didn’t have syncromesh at all.

              Some old buses had those, when I went to school. The driver sat up front in little cab. Changing gear all day and manoeuvring the thing, without power steering, was hard physical work.

              As for the Johnson rod – not that I’ve heard. We would just refer to a ‘raised suspension’, which is something that we only do to four-wheel-drive vehicles.

              The name of the equivalent (if there is one) is probably only known to specialists, but they don’t seem well-known even there http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic60751.html (a ‘disco’ is a Landrover Discovery)

            • Missionary Kid

              A Johnson rod (also known as a jostle rod) is a non-existent part used in conversation when trying to blow smoke up someone’s skirt when talking cars.

              “Hey, your Johnson rod isn’t adjusted right.”

            • Well someone’s having a laugh in that forum, then. You had me.

              I’ve always had problems with BL grumble pumps – and persuaded someone who was going to the parts counter for something else to ask for a giggling pin to secure a ’66 Mini’s laughing shaft.

            • Missionary Kid

              I LOVE all three of those: grumble pumps, giggling pin, and laughing shaft. I’ll have to try them out on some poor, unsuspecting person.

            • Missionary Kid

              BTW, there actually is something called a sex bolt. It is a bolt with the threads on the inside of the shaft, instead of the outside.

            • I remember once sending one of the new lads, where I worked, to the ladies in the invoice office for a length of fallopian tube. They outclassed me, by sending him back to ask if i wanted 1/2″ or 3/4″.

              (and I have seen that kind of fastening0).

            • Missionary Kid

              When I was in flight training, the Annapolis Naval Academy would send students down for their initiation into flight training. They spent a fair time, hanging around and waiting for flights. One of my friends sent one of the Middies (that’s what they were called) about 3 hangars down for a bucket of prop wash.

            • I worked at DIY place, for a while. One April the first a young woman came into the shop and told me that her boyfriend wanted a new bubble for his spirit level.

              After establishing that she didn’t want the glass vial – “just the bubble”, I told her I might have to order it, took out an invoice book, and asked her the date. She said “April Foo….” and then it dawned on her.

              She thanked me for keeping a straight face, then left the shop declaring, “I’ll bloody kill him”. If I had been that bloke, I would have joined the foreign legion immediately.

            • Missionary Kid

              I witnessed something that wasn’t a joke, but was just as idiotic.

              I was in the plumbing department and struck up a conversation with a man who didn’t seem to be finding what he needed. He was looking for copper sink drain trap plumbing that could be soldered together from the sink to the wall. I happened to know that one isn’t made, and for good reason. You want to be able to take a drain line apart because stuff gets stuck in the drain.

              I asked him if it was for some sort of industrial application, (thinking it could be for something biological or toxic) but I knew that nothing should require something that sturdy, unless it was illegal, and I’d turn them in if it was.

              What the guy told me was that he wanted a drain set up under his kitchen sink that would be sturdy enough so that when his wife stuffed the trash (dust) bin under there, it wouldn’t knock the piping apart.

              I looked at him and said, “You must be an engineer.”

              Sheepishly, he admitted it, but he said he was an electrical engineer.

              I then told him that properly installed, plastic drain piping would be sturdy enough for the job, unless his wife got on her back and kicked the bin with her foot as hard as she could.

              It was a case of an engineer overthinking and not being familiar with building materials and practices.

            • JaxNGold

              Love it! One of my favorite films.

            • ReallyMGM

              Now I have to ask the husband about “Whitworth” which will bring on an hour-long discussion. Should I just go grab his old British car books on Triumphs, Lotus, and Morgans?

            • Missionary Kid

              You’d do better to Google it. Whitworth came up with, IIRC, the first standardized bolts. Unfortunately, the bolt heads are sized according to whether the bolts are British Standard or British Fine threaded.

              If you ask your husband about it, he’ll have a long explanation that is better than mine. If he’s a gearhead, he’ll love telling you about it.

            • The British car and motorcycle industries never got the idea of amalgamating. They stubbornly remained small, under-capitalised but independent concerns until the end (when they were wiped out by multi-nationals wielding huge economies of scale).

              Consequently, they did many mad things. My favourite is the Sherpa van. This was specified to have sliding doors, British Leyland made the wheelbase at the front narrower than the wheelbase at the rear to accommodate them – using axles they were already being manufactured for two different models of car, to save money.

              If that’s not nutty enough, here’s another rabbit hole. Joseph Whitworth was a talented engineer who worked on Charles Babbage’s difference engine – a mechanical special-purpose computer designed to calculate and print accurate tables of logarithms.

              This was a very complex machine with many identical parts. Some suggest that this challenge (along with Whitworth’s dissatisfaction with the standards of precision of early industrial machines) heavily influenced his creation of the first standard thread which was specified to sufficient precision that fastenings could be truly interchangeable.

              The difference engine was never built in Babbage’s lifetime, partly due to the fact that both he and Whitworth were difficult people to work with. However, it was completed (using period tools by the British Museum) and worked as intended.

              Babbage went on to conceive ‘the analytical engine’ – a mechanical general-purpose computer. The first computer programs were written for this this virtual machine (which was never built) by Ada Lovelace.

              I highly recommend the novel, “The Difference Engine” by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling, which creates a world in which Babbage and Whitworth succeeded, and the computer age came to the British Empire at it’s height in the form of mechanical computers….

            • Missionary Kid

              In my mind, at that time, British design engineering was practically non-existent. There is some justification for the slapdash way that things were put into the Sprifire figheter, as it was wartime. In general, though, it seemed to be that the philosophy tended to be: it fits there? Stick it there. The British sports car engines seemed to be derived from tractor engines. Yes, they had a long stroke and small bore, but modern engines had things the other way around, and produced more horsepower.

              In the early stages of motor development, it was found that positive “earth” gave a slightly hotter spark from the coil than negative “ground” as we call it. On modern cars, it doesn’t matter, but the Brits persisted with positive earth well after the rest of the world was using negative ground.

              I changed the spark plug wires on the Anglia, and I had to carefully pierce the outside of the insulation with a set screw to make contact.

              Luckily, the engine was a modern design, and the basis for all of the later Cosworth 4 bangers. It was a 1 liter, with the bore 1″ larger than the stroke. I could really wind it out, and I could drive all day long at 70 mph, and I did. My Anglia was the stripped model, so the doors were skinnier than the ones on the deluxe models.

              There was a gap between the door and the weld where the roof and inside were welded together.. The weld was covered by some sort of upholstered tube, but there was a gap between the door and the tube of about 3/4 of an inch.

              When the door was closed, it didn’t look closed, even though the rubber seal around the door was seated.

            • As I said, the ‘industry’ was dominated by under-capitalised amateurs.

              When there was some amalgamation, when British Leyland was formed. However, they were still starved of money. Near the end, they changed the company image, and adopted the name “BL”. The joke was that managers thought this was what people meant when they recommended capital investment.

              Their one chance to prosper came with the offer of a proffered strategic alliance with Honda, and the two companies produced at least one decent car together. However, that didn’t suit Margaret Thatcher, who wanted to privatise BL. She did and, on it’s own with no investment, the company failed utterly.

              I switched my ’66 Mini from positive to negative earth so that I could replace the failed dynamo with a more up-to-date alternator. It was such a simple vehicle that you could do it in half and hour.

              Driving at 70 all day long…? It must be nice to have big country, sometimes…

            • Missionary Kid

              For distance perspective, it is just a few hundred miles longer flying the distance from Bangor Maine to London (3,078 miles) than to drive from Los Angeles to Bangor Maine (3,209 miles), which is diagonal across the lower 48 states. Flying from L.A. to Bangor, it’s shorter.

              In that Anglia, for Christmas 1967, I drove from Pensacola, Florida, to Idyllwild, CA, 2,400 miles, through two snowstorms in 48 hours, with stops to nap and, finally, to put on tire chains (Idyllwild is over a mile high in elevation, and it was raining down below, but they required chains to drive up in snow the mountains). That’s a driving average of 50 mph. I was going 70 or a little over when I could (most of the time). It was also before Interstate 10 was complete in the East, so I was on regular highways, not freeways, for more of the drive than I would today.

              Because of the short stroke on that engine, I could really wind it out.

            • Most Anglias in the UK were owned by retired, conservative folk, who might do 50 miles in a week.
              Yours had a very unusual and fulfilling life.

        • So I go to adjust the handlebars on my awesome 2008 Yamaha Morphous (pic is not me or mine), and discovered I needed metric.
          Greatest hardware store in the world had the right size for $1.79.
          Done.
          But the Whitworth standard https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa4f2a544acd25d606fb2ff36f0cc023a6ef6194482ca6a04484cca9084fb543.jpg may have only been used on the Morgan (just kidding) which I finally saw in person the other night.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b984e8fb32b4ef488779734aa21f2570cad1612c812e02cdbc1c30e9a412f00.jpg

          • Missionary Kid

            I recommend that you get a full set of metric wrenches, at the least. They’re a lot cheaper per wrench when you buy them that way. I picked up a small back-up combination set for about $5 at Aldi’s, of all places.

          • ReallyMGM

            Morgan? Wow! A friend had one in pristine condition in his garage. Loved that car.

      • daisy

        Oh yeah they claim they are all neutral and then they go an design furniture that is supposedly simple to assemble with directions that are undecipherable . They name their stores impossible to pronounce names like Ikea and Yjsk .

        • Fucking Swedes.
          They’re worse than the god damn-chocolate eating yodelling time-keeping Swiss.

          • daisy

            OOps I am getting my S sterotype countries mixed up .

        • Missionary Kid

          I can put together Ikea cabinets for a kitchen in less than half a day, and, if I have help, only spend another half a day mounting them, but I have experience, and use power tools.

    • ze moo

      Never mess with people who ferment fish. Surströmming is why you keep away from the Nordic people.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s true. I doubt that even starving sea org people would eat it.

        I’ve told this story before. It came from a Swede who was here in the U.S.

        A Swedish couple was vacationing in Germany, and they decided that they would open up some Surströmming and eat it out on the patio of their hotel room.

        Soon, there was a knock on the door. It was the police, and the couple was cited for air pollution. It’s that stinky.

        • ze moo

          It is the same with Lutefiske. Cooking it requires open windows and fans blowing out the smell.

          • Missionary Kid

            Lutefiske doesn’t bother most people like Surströmming, which I describe as Limberger squared.

            • Jimmy3

              God bless you

            • Missionary Kid

              Lutefisk is incredibly bland to me. It was developed, like Surströmming, as a way of preserving fish so it could be eaten when fresh food was scarce.

            • ze moo

              ‘Traditional’ preparations of Lutefiske include a pea porridge, that I like. Once the Lutefiske has been cooked, it looks and tastes like a fish flavored jello.

              Norway tried to buy the US made P-40 Warhawk around 1939-40. But they couldn’t afford them. So they traded salted cod to Italy for some crappy fighter planes that Norway scraped fairly quickly. Norway eventually bought the P-40’s but didn’t get them or didn’t deploy them in time for the German invasion in 1940.

            • Missionary Kid

              Fish flavored (barely any flavor) jello is about right.

            • Jimmy3

              Sorry, I thought you had sneezed mid-sentence

            • Missionary Kid

              Swedish can sound like that. 😉

        • Frodis73

          Gag. I don’t even do regular seafood.

          • Missionary Kid

            The smell is much stronger and worse than the strongest kimchi (the kind that Korean families prepare for themselves, not the mild stuff you get in restaurants).

            I like seafood. One of my favorite dishes is Shrimp Scampi, which, to me, doesn’t have any seafood smell to it.

        • PickAnotherID

          Did they have some kimchi and balut on the side?

          • Missionary Kid

            I don’t know, but I don’t think so. I like kimchi, and I’ve never had balut.

          • BaaadaBing

            Balut! Just the thought makes me gag.

        • kemist

          So, a bit like durian ?

          • Missionary Kid

            Could be, but it’s the result of fermentation.

  • flyonthewall

    I wonder if it was Freedom mag she was interviewing for? Prob not

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nue5H4ycd0U

    • April

      Smart girl. Always follow your gut instinct!

  • Went on the roof patio with my morning tea today and saw my landlord there.
    He asked me if I’ve been watching Leah Remini’s show. Heh. Great 30 minutes conversation.

    • iampissed

      Wish I had been there.

    • iampissed

      I’m just curious Dodo, did he know your background?

      • Very much so.

        • iampissed

          Thanks ….I’ve always wondered how those who were in feel about talking about it, how to bring up the subject. I think it would make for a good point to tackle for Tony, just my 2cw.

    • Missionary Kid

      Leah has opened up all sorts of doors. At the gathering on Saturday, one of the people came out of the store we in front of, and I explained what we were doing there. He said, “Oh, like Leah Remini.” He’d seen at least one of her shows. It led to a short discussion.

  • nottrue
    • iampissed

      End should have been putting The Way to Happiness in the bin.

  • ze moo

    In response to the Swedish terrorist attacks, Sweden has weaponized Surströmming and placed it on missiles designed by Ikea. Woe unto them who cause such uproar in Sweden!!

  • Len Zinberg

    “One day soon we will punish you with death” was Farrakhan’s message to journalist Milton Coleman who published Jesse Jackson’s “Hymietown” remark in the Washington Post. On another occasion, Farrakhan’s NOI threatened journalist Sam Cotton, for a series about slavery in the Sudan.
    http://www.dailycal.org/2012/03/16/farrakhans-secret-relationship/
    The reason some journalists tip-toe around the Nation of Islam and “moderate” their criticism is understandable as the “snitches get stitches” doctrine.

    • Ben Franklin

      NOI is an intimidating group as a portion of its membership is made up of former convicts who became converts while in prison. There are some dangerous folks in the ranks of NOI, and I can’t blame anyone for being scared of them to death. There are even some known active gang members who look up to Farrakhan as an opinion leader and I don’t think they afraid to act on his behest.

  • Ben Franklin

    OT: “Scientology on Joe Duffy’s ‘Liveline’ on RTÉ Radio 1, featuring Daniel Murray John Hearne, Rod Keller and John McGhee.” – originally posted by Pete Griffiths on his YouTube Channel

    – Daniel Murray (a caller who was duped into taking some Scientology courses but is now out of it)
    – John Hearne is mayor of Waterford. John Hearne, if you may recall, is one of the Mayor’s whose photo was used by Church of Scientology for publicity, back in 2016. I believe most people here already know Rod Keller and John McGhee who were also featured in the interview.

    For the story referencing John Hearne, see:
    http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/25/scientology-in-ireland-is-nearly-dead-heres-how-tom-cruise-and-the-gang-plan-to-bring-it-back/comment-page-1/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQLnGU2vY8

  • TexasBroad

    I’m working late at my business and I am here all alone. I have those awful fiberglass-filed drop ceiling tiles. There is (right now!!!) a critter scampering in the ceiling right above my head!! F^&%^$!! If that thing comes through, I’m having a heart attack right here!
    ETA: F&*^&^!!! I can just lock the front door and never look back. I think it might be fun to be an Uber driver! Crap!

    • Kestrel

      Would it help to know that the critter is as afraid of you as you are of it? No?

      • TexasBroad

        How do you know, Kestrel. HOW DO YOU KNOW?

        • Kestrel

          It’s probably just a lost little squirrel with a bushy tail. If it were a rat, it would be running along the wall.

          • TexasBroad

            You actually lowered my blood pressure there Kestrel – thank you. 🙂

            • iampissed

              You did hear about the squirrel that attacked the prowler.
              I’m not helping am I.

            • TexasBroad

              I haven’t looked at it yet, but did come across it…will have to look.

            • iampissed

              Your not a prowler…your OK.

            • Kestrel

              I saw that. The burglar admitted he’d been run off by the squirrel. I wonder if that thing’s been housebroken. Hate to think about little squirrel droppings all over the house.

            • OOkpik

              When you have a squirrel loose in the house, the droppings are the least of your problems.

            • OOkpik
            • TexasBroad

              That is adorable!

    • flyonthewall

      prob an alien face hugger. Not really any way to escape it either, they’re very determined. Driven by pure instinct to lay eggs in your chest cavity and reproduce. You’re boned.

      • TexasBroad

        I like hugs. I’ve reproduced. I’ve been boned.
        I have not had a rat fall on my head though. I do not want that.

    • iampissed

      Put a trap in with some peanut butter.
      ETA: Cars get critters to.

    • TexasBroad

      I think it’s gone. I don’t hear it anymore.
      I feel ridiculous because I’m having that post-adrenaline muscle ache.
      Thanks for making me laugh so I didn’t completely lose it.

      • iampissed

        You are welcome…made me laugh also…Thank You.

      • iampissed

        See what you have done.

      • You are safe. It’s probably a confused rodent. They are normally even more scared.
        If it acts funny, punch it in the face.

      • Marshall

        I used to live in a great cottage – it looked like it came out of a storybook. BUT… the critters I had to deal with! Literally had raccoons in the walls and if you’ve ever dealt with raccoons you’ll know that they are not afraid of you at all! The landlord would do kindness traps and drive them off to the woods and I swear they’d be back the next week.

    • J. Swift

      You’re in Texas. Why don’t you shoot it and then deep fry it? Add some french fries and ketchup & you have dinner ready. 🙂

      • iampissed

        I’m thinking about a stick and batter….don’t know why.

      • TexasBroad

        I don’t have a gun.
        Or a deep fryer.
        And if you’re ever down my way, you and your lovely bride are invited for dinner. I promise a delicious meal that does not involve rodents in any way.

        • iampissed

          What DM isn’t showing up!

          • TexasBroad

            He’s got no cheese in Texas.

            • iampissed

              True Nuf

          • Observer

            She said it won’t involve rodents, so…

            • iampissed

              OK

        • J. Swift

          Why thank you. We will definitely take you up on your gracious invitation when we are next in Texas. Last time I was in Texas I saw 23 Scientology lawyers all in Judge Waldrip’s courtroom. It was quite a sight.

          • TexasBroad

            I bet! The Scientology suits are not invited.
            I can make my own muffins.

          • Robert Eckert

            Did you deep fry them, with french fries and ketchup on the side?

            • ReallyMGM

              My college anthropology professor said guinea pigs are a delicacies in Equador, especially for special occasions. Kept as pets then party food!

            • Frodis73

              This is true! I was so horrified to find this out as a kid as I had a few of them as pets.

            • ReallyMGM

              Dr F said the feet were especially yummy…very crunchy. She showed us pictures. Looked like “rat on a stick” to me!
              She said the first time it was offered she really didn’t want to eat them, but she would have offended these people who had opened their homes to her and been so kind. So she ate a guinea pig.
              My daughter’s class had them as pets and I have known people who show them.

    • Jimmy3

      …And her first Uber pickup was a giant rat wearing a gangster hat and trench coat.

      • iampissed

        Here we go

      • Ben Franklin

        with a few critter friends in his glove compartment?

    • Missionary Kid

      Put a rat trap up there. Iampissed;s suggestion of peanut butter is excellent for bait. If there’s one, there’s bound to be more if you don’t close off access.

      Raccoons also like to get into those spaces, but they need a much bigger hole. Somehow, that creature got up there, and all the holes to the outside of the building need to be covered up or have wire cloth to keep any more from getting in.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Tex, you wouldn’t have lasted long in the SO. ;D

      • TexasBroad

        🙂

    • Leah has my heart. Getting back my mind …. . I’ve been Brocken… She can talk! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ0-VeWMr-A&t=2489s

      • This interview was posted for my friends stuck in and not dead yet.
        Eric Sobesto
        Bobby Aldrich
        Diane McDonald
        Pat (Selle) Bromley [and her child Aaron]
        Becky & Woody
        It’s easier to list the dead ones….

    • flyonthewall
    • flyonthewall

      now that you corrected “goon” to “gone” my reply just looks crazy. Thanks a lot!

      • iampissed

        Life happens.

      • We/you/me didn’t do anything wrong 🙂

    • iampissed

      One of my great disappointments in life…I was offered to go backstage and get to see them
      for free….so sad I didn’t understand the dead at that time in my life.

      • Its OK. No one needs to go into Garcia’s locker room to know the dead. It’s all up front and seeable in all it’s forms. Unlike LRH and his mind sinking cult.

  • Tom Klemesrud

    Does Louis Farrakhan, or for that matter Leah Remini, know about 100 Scientologists being locked up for four months at INCOMM on Fountain Los Angeles–reported from multiple sources, but never covered here. How do mainstream people from The Los Angeles Times, or KABC-TV, report on what Aaron Saxton called “a sin against humanity” if mainstream media’s single go-to source, Tony Ortega, holds back certain crimes for reasons unknown?

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_INCOMM_Security_Breach_1995_part_1_of_3.ogv

    • flyonthewall

      shut up you jerk!

      • MarcabExpat

        Hey man go easy on him… Tom has Seen some Serious Shit.

      • Robert Eckert

        He’s not a jerk, just very damaged by what he has been through.

    • daisy

      ?????

    • Frodis73

      I can’t watch videos. Is this the incident that Chuck Beatty is always telling us about? If so, it is not some secret being kept…not to mention you gave a link to a bunch of vids on google. I am missing your point.

      • iampissed

        The vids did not work for me. Hey I looked.

      • Robert Eckert

        Yes, Chuck has talked about this frequently.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s been brought up and discussed here many times over a period of years, and no one tried to cover it up. If he doesn’t have anything new to write about it, or it’s not directly relevant to something breaking or ongoing, that’s not “holding back certain crimes.” But his focus being elsewhere doesn’t line up with your indie conspiracy tract, so ignore this. You’ll get em someday.

    • Tony Ortega

      Thanks for bringing up Aaron Saxton, Tom. I had a really nice time talking with him when he came by the Voice back in 2010. I wrote up quite a bit of his story, but as Jimmy and others point out, the INCOMM incident has been discussed here many times.

      http://www.villagevoice.com/news/aaron-saxton-scientology-enforcer-stops-by-for-a-chat-6726347

      • Tony Ortega

        Also, it’s interesting that you chose those two particular outlets as examples. As my more vigilant readers know, I’ve been hammering the LA Times for years to improve its Scientology coverage. But somehow it’s my fault that they don’t write more? And as for KABC-TV, the local ABC affiliate in Los Angeles, a producer there spent years gathering material but got almost none of it on the air. I can assure you, they never asked for my input on that.

      • Tom Klemesrud

        It may have been discussed; but it’s unfindable by those whom put their trust in you to be totally upfront, as the self-appointed, utmost source of everything scientological. It’s easier found on Arnie Lerma’s website. What was the exact cause of of the dehumanizing imprisonment of 100 Sea Org staffers on L Ron Hubbard Way, Tony? What was the message that was leaked out–that put the whole international organization in supposed criminal jeopardy? What did the breach that caused the raids in Finland, and Caltech University reveal? I don’t think you ever reveals that, as a journalist. Why would Aaron Saxton go to the Freewinds, where Marty Rathbun was supposedly “studying tech” to plug a communications leak that could bring the whole thing down? We know Shelley is imprisoned; why no mention of these 100 people–some driving out of their minds by abuse? This would be useful for Leah Remini to know on future TV appearances.

        • JaxNGold

          “Self-appointed”? I’ve never once heard or seen Tony refer to himself as “the utmost source of everything scientological”. Have you?

        • grundoon

          It was big news in 1995.

          • Tom Klemesrud

            No it wasn’t. It was never reported on until Dan Garvin mentioned it in 11/17/2003, 8 1/2 years later, and Aaron Saxton mentioned again in 2009. We didn’t hear a peep about it from supposed reliable sources like co-star Mike Rinder, (story donkey) Paul Haggis, and Marty Rathbun. It was never reported on before that; although I understand why Tony would be averse to reporting on it–since it is so old, and unreported; and, it doesn’t involve something well covered, like the Paulette Cooper caper. He probably figures it’s best to leave this criminal episode out of Scientology’s history–like all the other stuff left out to make Scientology look kinder and gentler.

            • grundoon

              I’ll bite… What is the “other stuff left out to make Scientology look kinder and gentler”?

        • MarcabExpat

          We’re glad to see you here, Tom, but to be honest here, I use Arnie’s site too and although it is valuable, it’s also a mess. Full of dead links and missing graphics. I have trouble finding things there. Tony does have a search feature at the top left that I’ve always found easy to use. Maybe you’re just getting worked up about the injustice to those people, and somehow blaming Tony? I don’t think he’s the kind of person to hold things back, he’s made a lot of sacrifices to keep putting everything possible out there.

          Just my two cents, but like I said I’m glad to see you comment here, or anywhere.

          • Robert Eckert

            The search unfortunately doesn’t cover Tony’s work back at the Village Voice, which is when the earlier coverage of this story happened.

            • MarcabExpat

              True — and that’s not Tony’s fault, either. We’re lucky any of that stuff is still up, and Tony can’t control whether they take it down. Even the comments section there was a big loss.

    • Ben Franklin

      The irony is, I actually found out about you and the bloody butt story only after I read an article here about INCOMM. There has been plenty of coverage about the incident though. It might be you who don’t read Tony’s articles often enough.

    • grundoon

      Valentine’s Day Massacre/Purge – Karen de la Carriere’s account


      Aaron Saxton on INCOMM Security Breach
      at XenuTV

      Dan Garvin’s story

      The mysterious -AB-, Thomas Rummelhart, got out and has posted at (I think) Marty’s blog.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        What’s an “AB, grundoon?

        • grundoon

          In 1994-5 on the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup, -AB- was the name used by an unknown person who posted information that could only have come from inside Scientology. When -AB- posted a secret OSA report from the “Miss Bloodybutt” operation against Tom Klemesrud, the Chruch used extreme measures to find his identity and stop the leak. It turned out that -AB- was Thomas Rummelhart, an operator in the INCOMM computer room at Big Blue. See links above.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Thanks for explaining that!

    • Settle down Tom. Take back your mind. Don’t leave it wrapped up in LRH crap. That’s the lazy way.
      I well remember seeing the INCOMM personnel being marched in and out of INCOMM. I was cross the street at AOLA and on QM Thursday mornings sometimes. Were you there?

  • PalaceAthena

    This is mostly off-topic, but given the subjects’ past deep ties to Scientology, I thought some might be interested in this story:
    Priscilla Presley cares for granddaughters, as Lisa Marie battles estranged husband
    —Priscilla Presley is caring for her twin granddaughters Finley and Haley, as a nasty and public divorce battle between daughter Lisa Marie Presley and her estranged husband, Michael Lockwood, plays out. Priscilla Presley took to Facebook on Sunday dismissing media reports that surfaced late last week that the children had been taken into protective custody by California’s Child Protective Services. —
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/nation-now/2017/02/20/priscilla-presley-lisa-marie-divorce/98175878/

    • Juicer77

      I hope those kiddos will be ok. Glad they are with grandma.
      I wonder if the financial advisors Lisa Marie employed were Scilons, and what if any shenanigans they got up to. Perhaps encouraging her to make large IAS donations? This is speculation but I really do wonder. Apparently Priscilla was sharp enough never to employ Sci financial managers. Can anyone here verify that? Mismanage could not have liked that, if it’s true.

      • Liberated

        I worry about those kids too.
        Her soon-to-be ex looks like a real creep, did I read the article correctly….did he have explicit photos of his own kids on his computer?
        Wynonna Judd went thru the same thing w/her ex…..I swear what’s wrong with people?
        I’m glad they’re with grandma too.

        • Juicer77

          None of the articles I have seen state who the pics were of. So until that’s confirmed as a fact or charges are pressed, we can only speculate. I feel kind of bad for Lisa Marie, she’s had some real humdinger husbands. I didn’t know that Danny Keough (#1) and his family were $cibots. (At least that’s what he folks on ESMB are saying – but did she get them into it or the other way around?).

          • Liberated

            Keough’s mom is a big wig at the Delphi school and his dad was owner of Sterling mgmt. in Portland.
            Lisa’s mom is the one that got her involved in scien. and the school, I assumed she met Danny there.
            She ended up going to the school in L.A.

            Yeah, she’s had a few weirdos for husbands…..am I the only one who thinks this guy looks just like Boy George? Yikes.

    • Paul V. Tupointeau

      Been wondering lately, does Lockwood have any ties to CoS? I couldn’t find anything, maybe a Bunkerite can help.

      • Missionary Kid

        As discussed yesterday or earlier today, he took some classes around the turn of the century, but then wasn’t active.

      • TexasBroad
      • Missionary Kid

        The original report that I read said that the children were in protective custody, but specifically no mention of the state being involved was mentioned. IIRC, it also mentioned disturbing pictures of children that were on his computer, but it didn’t say specifically child porn.

        Basically, she wants to keep him away from the kids because she thinks he’s slime.

  • Off topic. Lana Del Rey – Love.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9zYSBK7Blw

  • The Final Call YouTube video of MInister Farrakhan’s Saviour’s Day 2017 keynote address is up. With helpful context, the discussion of Scientology and Dianetics begins at about 2:18:00, and the reference to Leah Remini begins at about 2:24:15.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQSX3e3cr4c

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  • BaaadaBing

    OT. You know you’ve got $cion on the brain when even an episode of Criminal Minds makes you think of DM. “Con man is a nice name for these guys. They profile as psychopaths. They see their cons and themselves as a sort of puppeteer. They have to have absolutely control of their victims and their cons.”

  • Photojournalist Fred G. Haseney is still kicking OSA#1 & OSA#2 !!!
    https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/2017/02/18/reconnecting-the-disconnected-and-declared-april-21-2016/

    • grundoon

      “This previously unpublished blog represents a visit I made [on April 21, 2016] to the Anthony Building owned by the pseudo-church of scientology to house members of the Sea Organization (“SO”), their pseudo-navy. The location of the facility, 5165 Fountain Ave., is a few blocks west of the Pacific Area Command Base (“PAC Base” or “Big Blue”), scientology’s West Coast headquarters in Los Angeles, California…. Today’s photographs present SO members as they prepare to face another ‘Thursday Before 2:00 PM’…. Today’s blog is dedicated to Emily and Mike, the adult children of former scientologists Phil and Willie Jones.”

  • tl;dr In 2000, this article was in a Danish newspaper and it has some interesting names for those who collects those. Chris Shelton mention this Mikael Rothstein in his Youtube Vid. https://youtu.be/WYBx31XOeu0

    Original story: http://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE3281384/Kampen-om-Scientology/?page=1
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    The battle for Scientology

    While abroad warns against Scientology’s methods, speaks Danish religious scholars that the movement is recognized as a new religion.

    BY PIERRE COLLIGNON

    Either the Danes are naïve and gullible. Or is it true that Scientology is not all that dangerous.

    In recent years, several European governments resisted vehemently against Scientology resurfacing. The authorities in Germany, France, Belgium and Greece have led outright campaign against the new religious movement monitoring, lawsuits and forced closures – but in Denmark succeeds Scientology to lead a relatively quiet life.

    Here one finds the disputed movement’s second largest center in the world – second only to the US headquarters – and Scientologists have mostly allowed to look after themselves. Currently considering a committee under the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs even if Scientology officially approved as a religious community.

    Foreign experts warn against giving Scientology recognition.

    “It’s not about Scientology faith. It can not afford to attack. The problem is Scientology’s practices, “says the American Steven Hassan, who has written several books on mind control in religious cults.

    destructive cult

    Hassan refers to Scientology as a “destructive cult” who manipulate members to extort money from them. Therefore, it would be irresponsible to provide the organization with state recognition.

    ‘In order to get approval and exemption should any group prove that it works for the public good. You can not give the kind of support to an organization that break human rights, user inhuman punishment methods, deceiving people and works psychologically damaging, “says Steven Hassan.

    He believes that Scientology is among the world’s 10 most dangerous sects together with notorious organizations such as the Moon and the Japanese poison gas group, Aum.

    “The difference is that Scientology is far larger and more organized,” says Steven Hassan.

    At home shaking religion researchers at the head of such attacks on Scientology.

    “There is a long tradition in European culture to nurture a fierce suspicion toward new, deviant groups. Scientology is simply hated, “says Mikael Rothstein, religion historian from the University of Copenhagen.

    He believes that the allegations of brainwashing is wildly exaggerated.

    “There is no doubt that there is a strong imprinting and socializing in Scientology. The organization also has an ambition to make people act in a certain way, but it works only for the people who are volunteering to dominate. People have not changed their whole world against their will, “says Mikael Rothstein.

    Scientology members have repeatedly been condemned by the European courts. In Switzerland, they are sent to jail for having forced the mentally retarded to purchase Scientology courses. In Spain Scientologists convicted of tax evasion and threats. In Germany, for defamation and illegal medical profession. In Norway, Scientology has been forced to pay damages because of “irresponsible sales practices”. In France, a court known Scientology responsible for a member’s suicide, and in Greece, the entire Scientology department closed in 1996.

    Despite the many judgments Mikael Rothstein pleased that Denmark leads a tolerant line to Scientology.

    “It is true that there are individuals who have violated the law, but Scientology is a great organization, and it is contrary to all good practice to generalize about all members. In a democratic constitutional state can not correct such serious charges against a whole group of people and deprive them of their rights, “says Mikael Rothstein.

    large-through

    Religion researcher Dorthe Refslund Christensen from Aarhus University gives his fellow right. She has written two controversial books that describes Scientology as a religion in line with Islam and Christianity – and she does not believe that there is brainwashing in the movement.

    “There is a great drafts among members, and most are only involved in a few years. They are in there as long as they feel they are being helped, and when they no longer get anything out of it, then they go again. I can not see that they are forced into something, “says Dorthe Refslund Christensen.

    She estimates that Scientology has only about 500 core members in Denmark – well below 4000, as the movement itself says.

    “Scientology has a tendency to inflate its membership in the weather to emerge as a successful movement. Opponents exaggerating as often as they would like to do Scientology scary big, “says Dorthe Refslund Christensen.

    Neither the Chairman of the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs Advisory Committee, Armin Geertz, or the radical church minister, Margrethe Vestager, will speak about Scientology until the committee announces its decision later this month.

    pierre.collignon@jp.dk

    • Liberated

      Yikes….that’s crazy!

      • he he freaking creepy that they have crawled all the way up to that level back then.

        • Liberated

          I hate it when anyone compares the co$ to any mainstream religion, it’s not even close at all.
          I’ve never heard of any religion doing what the cult does, especially to families or when someone decides to leave.
          Yes, bad things have happened, but nothing like scio. gets away with.

  • John Prince

    Am I the only one Who thinks the Mega-Racist Asshole farakan looks alot Fatter & expensively dressed these days? No wonder he and captain pissypants cling to each other. .couple of 3 card Monty dealers 😠

    • ReallyMGM

      I saw a video of him a few years ago at an event with his entourage, body guards, designer/handmade suits. He had people standing around fanning him so he didn’t sweat. (Not really, but that ridiculous!) It was not of him giving a speech, just the crew milling around. OBVIOUS CON MAN.
      Makes me sick when I think of how many free meals for the disadvantaged and elderly could be paid for instead of ONE of those suits. OR one day of security detail.

      • John Prince

        The slick Bastard has been spitting his sick hatred of “white America” since the mid-70’s..
        to see him now, so blatantly lining his pockets with White America’s money while leading his lambs to be slaughtered by co$ is more than perverted! How fucking stupid ARE noi members, anyway?

  • woodedlane

    I have no doubt that Farrakhan is getting a kickback from Miscavige for every black person he convinces to join. Miscavige is running out of people to trick into joining.

    • Dave Reams

      Farrakhan doesn’t have to trick people – NOI members don’t have a say – they personnify MEST – they are imbued with personality

  • Scream Nevermore

    I question HIS motives for introducing the NoI to the scam known as Scientology.

  • madame duran

    So, with Leah Remini “going in hard” at Scientology, is Farrakhan quaking in his boots or is she the one that’s supposed to be worried about Farrakhan standing resolute by Scientology’s side? I doubt she even cares about the Louis & Dave clowns. Leah is the one drawing lines in the sand and telling Scientology of her intention to expose it. If NOI wants to step on that grenade, I hope it’s ready to meet its Maker.

  • Pal 👁👁👁👁

    And it comes full circle. This esoteric wisdom all originates from the little lodge with no windows on main street. Fair Game and all techniques is the doctrine borrowed from the lodge that has infiltrated every leader position in a town, teachers, lawyers, cops, judges, churches. Come across one of these arrogant power people and you are handled the same way, fair game, they destroy families with the same exact method. Farakahn wants some of that effective psychic attacking wisdom to eliminate his enemies and grow his cult like LRH. This matrix is so unfair and unjust to the righteous people and I wish, pray that these devils could be eliminated and not harm innocence.

  • Jgg2012

    I would be willing to pay $1billion not to be associated with Farrakhan if I were the Church.

  • Eyedre

    Wow so many idiots on here that know nothing about The NOI……besides sucking googles search engine weenie…

  • Meelah

    It takes less than 5 Million. Farrakhan will sell his convictions and followers for much less. I started telling the NOI members I knew back when it came out and most of them didn’t believe me or were angry with me for taking issue. The ones I’ve spoken to since then now realize it’s true and are disappointed or embarrassed by it.

  • Phoebequeen

    I just have no words.

  • riskey .

    Old Farrakhan has outlived his relevance and is raging against the dying of the light. I’m sure the hounds are nipping at his heels to take his place. May he rest in the bosom of Xenu.

  • Paul Smith

    “I know they’re making all out out move to destroy scientology. Ms. Remy or whatever her name is, is going in hard.”

    LOL! That’s hilarious.