We received an email from a non-American Scientology celebrity recently, and it started a brief exchange, which we have edited here only very lightly for clarity. We are not identifying this person other than to point out their foreign origin and that they have had international success in a field of entertainment.
Scientology celebrity: Hey. What do you get off by dedicating your entire life to attack a religion that will go on for a thousand years after you are gone? Have 30,000 Scientologists attacked you ever before? There must be something inside you that makes you “click” when you see Scientologists? Even if it’s handing out food to homeless people it’s always negative in your view. Or is it cool to be part of “Leah’s” crew? The washed up actress Hollywood doesn’t want anymore? Also regarding Netflix “attacking” Scientology is a joke. It’s a joke. Just like South Park episode it’s humor. We “public” Scientologists see it as it is. Jokes, and one of my favorite TV series is South Park, even if they have joked about Scientology. Tom Cruise is maybe THE most respected actor in Hollywood. So twisting something as it being “over” Scientology is a bit stupid, when Scientology have NEVER run Hollywood. While the world is getting more and more bizarre you are definitely not helping people with attacking daily people’s religion. 2008 and Anonymous is over, Leah is over, no one cares about Scientology jokes anymore because it is outdated. You will be remembered by a few people as someone that attacked people’s freedom of religion. Something that is in the Constitution of your country. History doesn’t look very bright for you. As you know, the winners write the story.
The Bunker: Thank you for reaching out. I would be interested in your thoughts on today’s story, and this recording of Mr. Miscavige with his message about the Golden Age of Admin.
Scientology celebrity: I don’t know why you want me to comment on that or which part. The 32x more new Scientologists? Maybe COB counts online courses as new also. I do know of many signing up for those courses. I also know that in my org we are expanding. (Though 32x, no.) I know there is not millions of Scientologists, more like 30,000 hardcore. But I do believe that we can find 1 million different persons doing a Scientology or Dianetics course each year.
The Bunker: This seems like pretty great news for the church. I’m interested in your thoughts.
Scientology celebrity: This reminds me of the Nobel Peace Prize. I don’t see why he being a host for this is a problem? Also Tom Cruise does not publicly go around and shout “Scientology is the best!” anymore. So why are you still attacking in this manner? You seem to treat Scientologists as “sub-humans,” and only gets in the “human” category when someone leaves Scientology. Like me for example, I guess you don’t look at as normal and crazy, but if I left Scientology the issue would be different. I guess you have Googled me by now?
The Bunker: When you think about how long our Whole Tracks are, who we are in this lifetime scarcely matters, does it? But anyway, I was wondering if you could help me with something. In my first edition copy of DMSMH, this passage appears in Book Three, Chapter IX, Part Two, under the subheading “Differences” on page 336: “The seven-year-old girl who shudders because a man kisses her is not computing; she is reacting to an engram since at seven she should see nothing wrong in a kiss, not even a passionate one. There must have been an earlier experience, possibly prenatal, which made men or kissing very bad.” I’ve checked, and even in the newest edition of Dianetics, that passage appears. Again, it’s in Book Three, Chapter IX, Part Two, under the subheading “Differences.” Please verify that it’s in your copy of the book if you’d like. But my question is, how do you feel about a passage in which LRH says that a seven-year-old girl should see nothing wrong with a grown man giving her a passionate kiss? Does it surprise you that such a statement is in Scientology’s most important book, and that after 70 years, it hasn’t been taken out?
Scientology celebrity: Really, I am very curious to why you are asking me these questions? I did not take the time to check your reference if it’s in my book too. I know you are trolling, so I take your word for it that it’s there. Can you guess which org I “belong” to?
The Bunker: You started this conversation by asking why I write about Scientology. That passage in Dianetics is one answer. I wonder what kind of a person L. Ron Hubbard was that he would include such a line about how 7-year-old girls should not object to adult men passionately kissing them, and in such an important book to the Scientology movement. It’s a simple question really, to ask you what you make of it.
Scientology celebrity: The phrase is taken out of context. He is describing how the reactive mind reacts to situations like that. I see this as this person have experienced this before in previous lives and the girl knows it’s wrong and that’s why the reactive mind responds to it. Everyone knows that kissing a minor like that is wrong. Even Scientologists. Do you get many emails from Scientologists wondering why you still dedicate all your time to a religion you are not a part of? Please answer my question from my previous mail so I can see you acknowledge the communication. Do you know what org I am a parishioner at? I am guessing it’s of interest for your “clan” to keep track of where Scientologists you come in contact with are located at? Do you send the information to the orgs that Scientologists in good standing are talking to SPs? Maybe you are a double agent? I am just wondering since you responded in the first place.
The Bunker: I am dying to know. Is it CC? The president’s office? Or [a particular foreign org] or something? Please tell me.
Scientology celebrity: Well done! Will you send this to my ED now?
The Bunker: I wish you the best on your recovery from your [medical situation, described on Instagram]. You appear to be making great progress.
Scientology celebrity: Thank you. Not an ironic comment for once. Well I try my best. I have been in Scientology since 2008. And I have had active and passive periods. I saw the world from “the outside” and for me life was much better as an active Scientologist. I flourished more with than without. So I made a choice in late 2018 to remain a Scientologist and stay. I have three things that keep me going through this trying time. #1 [Family detail.] #2 My Scientology friends (and some non Scientology friends). But my Scientology friends are the ones that really show support. #3 Spending time studying Scientology. I don’t believe in miracles. I was just lucky I survived. And no one in the church have said I “pulled this in” on myself.
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“I found out that it makes it tremendously easier to run the bank and that on a very few PCs you will be unable to run the bank unless you get an early engramic incident out of the road. And I also found out that if you can run the overt engram that relates to these GPMs just as an engram, that a fantastic amount of charge will come off the implants themselves, naturally, and therefore they run like-very much like hot butter. I had a little bulletin for you. Found a datum here you might be interested in. That particular outfit was down toward the center of this particular galaxy and was founded at 52 trillion, 863 billion, 10 million, 654 thousand, 79 years (52,863,010,654,079), and I can’t give you a much closer than that, because when place get founded is, more or less becomes part of their lies. But it was founded at that time, and it was destroyed on the date 38 trillion, 932 billion, 690 million, 862 thousand, 933 years ago (38,932,690,862,933), by the 79th wing of the 43rd battle squadron of the galactic fleet. It was not the, part of the galaxy. It was a wildcat activity sitting there. They used to drag Magellanic Clouds out of the center hub of the galaxy, let them follow the lines of force and just let them come over a system. Then when they got around to it, they’d send planes in with speakers, and so forth, and give the place the business. But the place very often was totally caved in for thousands of years by these Magellanic radioactive clouds which would just engulf the particular system. You got the idea? I just give you that in brief, just as a matter of interest, because these dates we’re getting are accurate. I have now compared them up the track and squared them around. These are the dates.” — L. Ron Hubbard, May 16, 1963
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“Logic (The Data Series) is written up to Data – 4 now. Occurred to me what if CIA’s multi-billion facts in computers were properly analyzed, WOW, what a different answer they’d get! I realized that as it is ‘analyzed’ they can only decide to go to war with everybody! And do. I can see a conference now at ‘high level.’ ‘What’s the situation on Hamfatia?’ ‘Threatening.’ ‘What’s the situation on Sphagettiville?’ ‘Threatening.’ ‘What’s the situation on the world?’ ‘Threatening.’ ‘Then it’s all threatening?’ ‘Yes.’ ‘Good hit the war button!’ They didn’t notice the ‘Threatening’ button had gotten leaned on by the cleaning lady’s mop the night before. And that’s the way the world went. Point is, if one can’t analyze data he winds up hating everybody — as it’s just one big generality. We’re into real 3rd dynamic tech!” — The Commodore, May 16, 1970
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“Twelve hours processing for a PC cured him from a hardship known in the fucking western medicine by ‘borderline disorder personality,’ something that the old bridge would not achieve. The purpose of Scientology is to make the able more able, the new area of Scientology can make any unable able. Well done LRH, well done great master.”
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2001: Mark Bunker reported on the opening of a city park in downtown Clearwater. A Scientology group was responsible for improvements to the park, but initially declined contributions in honor of Lisa McPherson, Roxanne Friend and Congressman Leo J. Ryan. “At this afternoon’s grand opening of the brick alley in Downtown Clearwater, Pam Marks finally answered the question she refused to answer for the St. Pete Times. The secret committee has been revealed. Pam Marks today thanked Bennetta Slaughter and AMC for being in charge of placing the orders for bricks. Pam Marks also applauded the local newspapers for their supportive coverage, except for the St. Pete Times. She lambasted the Times and O’Neal in particular for their biased coverage. I was on the Cleveland Street entrance with my Lisa McPherson picket sign. I was there in place of my brick that would have said ‘Remember Lisa McPherson’ except the Citizens for a Better Clearwater rejected that brick as being disharmonious to the community. So I stood near the curb with my sign and flyers that explained why I was there. I only gave out one flyer. It was essentially impossible to miss my sign if you were in the park because there are of course only 2 entrances into the park. Antonio the Scientology security guy was all excited and videotaped the first 45 minutes of me standing there, then just watched the rest of the time. Paul Kellerhals came over and watched me quite a while, then came over with a copy of the injunction and claimed I was violating it! Clearwater police Lt. Hall came over a few minutes later, apparently called there by Scientology. He talked to me briefly, saw what I was doing, and told the nearby cops that I was fine. After a bit a nice lady came and told me that my brick was now in the park! Sure enough, it’s right at the base of a bench, in a reasonably good location.”
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“I’m on drugs.”
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Full Court Press: What we’re watching at the Underground Bunker
Criminal prosecutions:
— Danny Masterson charged for raping three women: Next pretrial conference May 31. Trial scheduled for August 29.
— ‘Lafayette Ronald Hubbard’ (a/k/a Justin Craig), aggravated assault, plus drug charges: Last hearing was on January 18, referred to grand jury. Additional charges also referred to grand jury after January 5 assault while in jail.
— Jay and Jeff Spina, Medicare fraud: Jay sentenced to 9 years in prison. Jeff’s sentencing to be scheduled.
— Rizza Islam and other family members, Medi-Cal fraud: Pretrial conference May 20 in Los Angeles
— Joseph ‘Ben’ Barton, Medicare fraud: Pleaded guilty, awaiting sentencing.
— Yanti Mike Greene, Scientology private eye accused of contempt of court: Found guilty of criminal and civil contempt.
Civil litigation:
— Baxter, Baxter, and Paris v. Scientology, alleging labor trafficking: Complaint filed April 28 in Tampa federal court.
— Luis and Rocio Garcia v. Scientology: Eleventh Circuit affirmed ruling granting Scientology’s motion for arbitration. Garcias considering next move.
— Valerie Haney v. Scientology: Forced to ‘religious arbitration.’ Valerie’s motion for reconsideration denied on March 15.
— Chrissie Bixler et al. v. Scientology and Danny Masterson: Appellate court removes requirement of arbitration on January 19, case remanded back to Superior Court. Next hearing scheduled for June 29.
— Brian Statler Sr v. City of Inglewood: Third amended complaint filed, trial set for December 6.
— Author Steve Cannane defamation trial: New trial ordered after appeals court overturned prior ruling.
— Chiropractors Steve Peyroux and Brent Detelich, stem cell fraud: Lawsuit filed by the FTC and state of Georgia in August, now in discovery phase.
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THE PROSECUTION OF DANNY MASTERSON
We first broke the news of the LAPD’s investigation of Scientology celebrity Danny Masterson on rape allegations in 2017, and we’ve been covering the story every step of the way since then. At this page we’ve collected our most important links, including our four days in Los Angeles covering the preliminary hearing and its ruling, which has Danny facing trial and the potential sentence of 45 years to life in prison.
After the success of their double-Emmy-winning, three-season A&E series ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Leah Remini and Mike Rinder continue the conversation on their podcast, ‘Scientology: Fair Game.’ We’ve created a landing page where you can hear all of the episodes so far.
LEAH REMINI: SCIENTOLOGY AND THE AFTERMATH
An episode-by-episode guide to Leah Remini’s three-season, double-Emmy winning series that changed everything for Scientology watching. Originally aired from 2016 to 2019 on the A&E network, and now on Netflix.
SCIENTOLOGY’S CELEBRITIES, from A to Z
Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!
Other links: SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Tom Cruise and dirty tricks. Scientology’s Ideal Orgs, from one end of the planet to the other. Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society. Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in a weekly series. How many have you read?
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THE WHOLE TRACK
[ONE year ago] Inside a PR mutiny: How Scientology’s war on Prozac backfired in spectacular fashion
[TWO years ago] He was the drummer in a rock ‘n’ roll band: Eddie Stratton’s Scientology story
[THREE years ago] Beyond the quarantine: Signs that Scientology is getting involved in anti-vaxx panic
[FOUR years ago] Scientology’s smear campaign against Mike Rinder takes a more disturbing turn than usual
[FIVE years ago] As Leah Remini’s next season approaches, Scientology posts more videos saying she’s rude
[SIX years ago] Did L. Ron Hubbard believe his own rap? Here’s what he admitted about Scientology in 1952
[SEVEN years ago] Jon Atack: When the militant Scientologist falters, you find a cowering 12-year-old inside
[EIGHT years ago] Hiding L. Ron Hubbard’s control of Scientology in the 1980s
[NINE years ago] Babylon Surmising: Dianetics Rights an Ancient Wrong
[TEN years ago] Scientology, “Disconnection,” and Homophobia: Derek Bloch’s Story
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Bernie Headley (1952-2019) did not see his daughter Stephanie in his final 5,667 days.
Valerie Haney has not seen her mother Lynne in 2,666 days.
Katrina Reyes has not seen her mother Yelena in 3,171 days
Sylvia Wagner DeWall has not seen her brother Randy in 2,721 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his grandson Leo in 1,711 days.
Geoff Levin has not seen his son Collin and daughter Savannah in 1,602 days.
Christie Collbran has not seen her mother Liz King in 4,908 days.
Clarissa Adams has not seen her parents Walter and Irmin Huber in 2,777 days.
Carol Nyburg has not seen her daughter Nancy in 3,551 days.
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Melissa Paris has not seen her father Jean-Francois in 8,156 days.
Valeska Paris has not seen her brother Raphael in 4,324 days.
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Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 2,322 days.
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Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 2,731 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis in 3,129 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 3,005 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 2,588 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike and daughter Emily in 3,083 days.
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Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 14,446 days.
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 16, 2022 at 07:00
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