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Facing government opposition, Scientology prepares to play dirty

 
Rod Keller continues his series on the remarkable situation in Mexico City, where the Church of Scientology is facing government opposition to construction of its planned “Advanced Org” for Latin America there. Now, the church has made a telling move, and Rod has reactions to it…


The seals across the entrances of the Palmas Plaza are still up. Scientology continues “trabajo hormiga,” or “ant work” in secret, using a very small crew working on a job that requires over 100. Neither the neighbors nor Scientology are happy with the stand off and each took steps this week to bring the situation regarding the planned Advanced Org for Latin America to an end.

The neighbors this week first organized, then canceled a protest at the obelisk, a landmark in the center of a roundabout near the site. The area already has traffic congestion, and they fear the hundreds of hotel rooms, the restaurant and the large auditorium will add to that. There are rumors that Scientology is preparing to bribe local officials to get their way, but history indicates they will use other methods to get their way.

 

 
Scientology has a Continental Liaison Office, or CLO at the Ideal Org in the center of Mexico City. There are dozens of Sea Org members available to run the program. Until recently they chose Jonathan “Marduk” Rico as the contact. This week they brought in a more experienced member to take over, Cuban-born Sea Org member Humberto Fontana from Los Angeles. He has been on staff at the Miami org and has run “fourth dynamic,” or social reform programs in Clearwater, Florida. He has now been “fired” to Mexico City, which is the Scientology term for being ordered on a special mission. Fontana is an enforcer for the church. Former OSA Int. Commanding Officer Mike Rinder tells us that if Fontana is involved “It’s a big problem and they are bringing in the ‘heavy hitters’ to deal with it. A Sea Org Mission is being fired to handle the hell out of it.”

 

[Humberto Fontana]

 
Fontana currently works in the area of human rights in Los Angeles and speaks at orgs about Scientology’s drug education programs and the fight against psychiatry. Human rights work in Scientology means the Office of Special Affairs, or OSA, which takes charge of all contact between the church and the outside world. OSA does public relations work to block reports on Scientology in the media. OSA runs the humanitarian programs of the church, and OSA runs any legal cases.

 

 
On November 20, 1988 Fontana was in Madrid, Spain and became caught up in one of the most important events in Scientology history – the raid at a hotel conference and arrest of 69 Scientologists to face an array of charges including forgery, fraud, extortion, tax evasion and kidnapping. The arrests were the result of a nine month investigation by Spanish police and prosecutors during which they interviewed dozens of former members and wiretapped Scientology’s phone lines. Most of those arrested were released quickly, but charges were filed against 15 Scientologists, including Fontana and Heber Jentzsch who for years was the public face of the church, and held the title of President of the Church of Scientology International. Jentzsch was a figurehead spokesperson and his authority as President was an illusion, but it was an embarrassment to Scientology and they wanted him to be released.

 

[Heber Jentzsch in handcuffs in Madrid, 1988]

 
OSA turned up the pressure on the court, flooding them with cables and messages of support for Jentzsch. Behind the scenes Humberto Fontana was running a program to investigate public officials including District Court Judge Jose Maria Vazquez Honrubia and member of the Spanish Parliament Pilar Salarullana. He was caught and arrested in possession of dossiers on the two containing confidential information. “Ms. Salarullana told reporters on Thursday that Vazquez Honrubia showed her one confiscated dossier that contained data on her bank accounts, family documents, photos and public comments she has made concerning the Scientology church and sects active in Spain.”

After three weeks Jentzsch was released on bond and fled Spain to avoid prosecution. His wife at the time was Karen de la Carriere, who tells us “the cult set up the Spanish court and pleaded that Heber needed to see his dying mom. It was all fake. The judge compassionately let Heber be released to see his dying mom. OSA had no intention of returning him to Spain. Heber left and forfeited the $1 million bail.” That bail money was returned with interest in 2002 when the last of the charges were dropped. None of the defendants were ever found guilty and Scientology prevailed.

The tactics Scientology used in Madrid are a good indicator of how they will fight the dispute in Mexico City. They bring in an OSA enforcer, they investigate the public officials to find any dirt that can be used against them, and they turn up the heat with accusations of religious discrimination. Firing Humberto Fontana to handle the situation is the first step in which Scientology intends to win. This is a program he has successfully run before.

 
— Rod Keller

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,799 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,556 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,902 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,396 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,436 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,148 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 674 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,763 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,903 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,223 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,198 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 554 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,856 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 963 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,365 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,238 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 819 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,324 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,568 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,677 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on July 2, 2017 at 07:00

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The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Jeb Burton

    Speaking of playing dirty, just got my TBT, in the front page of the Local section, “Church warns of bias by city” sub headline Scientology raises questions about why a land swap deal fell through. Apparently Ms. Yingling is proposing a new deal. Officials basically laughed it off.

    • MarcabExpat

      Yeah, 1988 is gone and today is a different day.

      • The “or else” in the title is silent.

      • madame duran

        Why did the cult need to buy the Nolen apartment development (other than to spite the city which wanted that property for its downtown revitalization plans)? I think whenever Scientology whines about “religious discrimination”, the city should retort that the cult “is hostile to public life in Clearwater”. City manager Bill Horne knows firsthand that this is true. Scientology’s lack of co-operation with the “Imagine Clearwater” plans and its insatiable desire to acquire more downtown land for its own exclusive use are proof enough.

      • Bob Crouch

        A more fitting headline would have been: “Scientology sends city a message: Don’t let a bunch of wogs living here affect our self-interest! Or else…”

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Glad to hear it!

      On that note, just last night I watched a Japanese variety show which showcases beaches and resort areas around the world. Yesterday’s feature: Clearwater, Florida! I was curious whether any Co$-infected sites or businesses would be introduced, but saw nothing obvious. The featured hotel was the Don Cesar, not the Fort Harrison (which makes sense, since I can’t imagine that any of us wogs would be allowed in).

      • Jeb Burton

        The Don Cesar is in St. Pete Beach, but close enough. The cult stays away from Clearwater Beach.

        • And I’m Cute, Too

          Glad to hear that, too.

      • Sine qua non

        For those who haven’t been to Clearwater, FYI: Clearwater Beach is actually quite separate from the downtown area where FLAG, Stupor powers, etc are located. You have to go over a big, high, long bridge over the intercoastal Waterway to go out to the barrier island which is the beach, marina, hotels, etc. I seriously doubt Scientologists spend much, if any time out there.

        Personally, my favorite beach in Pinellas is Pass-a-Grille, way on the South tip of Pinellas. It’s probably, what, 15 miles at least from Clearwater. Go there until the COS crumbles. ☺️

    • madame duran

      If a clam cries in the ocean, does anybody hear (or care)?

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan
    • Silence of the Clams

      Despite the council voting down the trade, Scientology followed through with buying the Nolen lot — the $625,000 sale closed June 27.

      And this will be the grounds for the lawsuit: Scientology will say they acted on a verbal contract and the city demurred. Welcome to the TerrorDome City of Clearwater.

      Isn’t it obvious by now Miscavige either doesn’t care about the public image of his cult or he is incredibly inept at managing the current state of affairs? I’m leaning toward the latter. He will sue because let’s be honest, the cult does pretty well against a judicial system terrified of what people choose to believe. Its an odd juxtaposition mixing established law with fantasies of the supernatural. We can see Whittemore struggling with that reality.

      Religious discrimination. Paaah! Hey guys, your religion is weird ok? You follow a science fiction writer who fabricated the majority of his life and specifically said he was creating this fiction to make money. The number of ex members telling horror stories is embarrassing at a national level. The litigation history alone is just outrageous. The evidence of profiteering is so clear, it defies logic. But logic has no voice in Politics….the scilons know this well. The city would never suggest religion had something to do with it, but who but a scilons would care if they did? Probably the court.

      This cult is a cancer and Clearwater has amazing potential, given their beach business and reputation. They just need to stick to their guns and understand this cult does nothing but damage in the long run for the City. Leah’s show will reach millions of more people this season. Those people travel and sadly, whether Leah mentions Clearwater or not, the city is synonymous with the cult.

      I love Clearwater beach and want to love Cleveland street too but the cult presence is so strong – what with Flag and the Ft Harrison being all lit up. It kind of doesn’t matter if you see them, you know they are there. I am pleased to see City officials holding firm. Its gonna suck for a little bit but eventually, the City will win in spades.

      Thanks for the link.

      • Draco

        “Isn’t it obvious by now Miscavige either doesn’t care about the public image of his cult or he is incredibly inept at managing the current state of affairs? I’m leaning toward the latter.”
        I’m not leaning – I would bet my last cent on it.

      • madame duran

        And this will be the grounds for the lawsuit: Scientology will say they acted on a verbal contract and the city demurred.

        Verbal contract with whom? The city didn’t enter any deal with Scientology. It was with a developing company run by Guy Bonneville. The Cult of Scientology proposed a property swap deal with the city government but it was later rejected (which the city has every right to do). Scientology is stuck with the Nolen complex purchase and has none of the city lots it wanted. Where’s the ground for a lawsuit? The cult assumed the city was going to accept the swap deal but was later proven wrong. Is it the city’s fault that the cult made a miscalculation? Are municipal councils not permitted to say “no” to anyone?

        The claim of religious discrimination is farcical. Clearwater is in the midst of a revitalization project for its downtown core so it’s understandably keen on land usage and implementing whatever is needed to succeed in that long-term goal. Scientology’s goal is to takeover Clearwater. Period. Obviously, that’s gonna cause conflict. I believe Scientology will use the Nolen property as a bargaining chip with the city, knowing that the city council wanted it as part of the downtown renewal. A cult can’t plead like a helpless victim when a) it tries to bully others to get its way and b) already owns a considerable amount of property, thus a great deal of power.

  • Peter

    Times have changed a lot since 1988 and scio’s world wide reputation has plummeted, many thanks to the internet. They may find the going far tougher than they did back then.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Davey was a little clam
    He fleeced them all for show
    And everywhere that Davey went
    More clams were sure to blow

    Yet another Ideal Org that nobody wants and that will lie fallow when open.
    Meanwhile the smell of desperation rises from the imploding con.

    Tick Tock, Dave.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b52c55912933d6c49cc2e2849426de78d69104681fefac7e322496dc7d1a933c.jpg
    We got ya surrounded.

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  • PickAnotherID

    “Facing government opposition, Scientology prepares to play dirty.”

    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder109/42477109.jpg

  • ComeToPresentTime

    The Heber Jentszch era was like when the WWF had a pretend president named Jack Tunney. Then later after Tunney was gone, Vince McMahon finally acted like the head honcho in public instead of playing commentator. Miscavige is Scientology’s Vince McMahon.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Heh, heh. I remember the Jack Tunney days. Mind you, I was in Grade 7/8 back then, so I had no idea that McMahon was really in charge the whole time.

  • BraveBloggers

    Same tactics, different country.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    OT, but did Miss Tia really put “ordeal” in quotation marks in the following comment at Marty’s blog?

    If Paulette didn’t want the attention on herself, why did she cooperate on a book with Ortega about her Scientology ‘ordeal’ all those years ago?

    I’m so disappointed.

    • Snippy_X

      Maybe she could read the book. She might be able to answer her own question then.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        The thing is, Snips, Tia knows as well as any of us here what Scientology put Paulette through. She started the Facebook group, “Scientology Book Club”, back in, iirc, December 2014 in part to give people a platform to discuss Miss Lovely when it was released in May of the following year. She was a stalwart of the Underground Bunker for so long and shared our outrage and grief at the way Paulette was treated over the decades by Scientology.

        • Jimmy3

          She wants the ASC angle to work so people don’t, you know, think she left because she pulled a monkeyknickers. Which she did. We were all quite kind to her, all things considered. No mas.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I thought of her as a friend. She was creative and funny and a bit bonkers, and I liked that. I can understand her needing to convince herself that we treated her horribly because she has to justify why she left in the way she did and threw in the towel with HowdyCon Cleveland.

            But Tia knows Paulette was driven almost to suicide by Scientology, Tia knows OSA framed her for a bomb threat and tried to take her liberty, Tia knows that they tried to destroy her relationship with her parents, and Tia knows that Paulette endured these attacks for decades.

            Paulette’s story will always be “current” – which is what Marty and Tia are denying – because no human being alive or dead has been so ruthlessly hounded by L.Ron Hubbard’s church.

            • Jimmy3

              It is bizarre. Even with whatever happened, I expected that she would stay far fucking away from Marty once it was so goddamn obvious that he’d turned back and is now actively working for the CoS again. I thought even she would be like hell fucking no. But she’s actually doubling, nay, quadrupling down. It’s sad.

            • ReneeG

              It IS bizarre, even more bizarre than the dedicated Martyologists turning themselves into pretzels to try to continue to believe that they haven’t been abandoned by Marty. Because she DOES know better– or ought to. The human mind is a fascinating thing, and I think some people have a remarkable tendency to continually rewrite history in their head to suit their own internal narrative. We know through research that false memories can be planted into impressionable people, and I have observed that there are folks out there who, in essence, are doing this to themselves on a continuous basis because they are unable to confront reality– or to look inside themselves for answers. They believe their own shit.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Good comment.

            • Bo

              People still in scientology have to do this all the time. I know I did. I certainly came out of it a better critical thinker…much to the dismay of the anti vaxxers, astrologists, religious, homeopathic practicing people in my life. And I love them all, just think they are misguided and lazy thinkers. Maybe lazy is the wrong word. Twisting your mind into a pretzel is hard work.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              You underestimated the loon factor.

            • Frodis73

              Oh, J3, I so love you for this comment.

            • Kestrel

              I would upvote this 1,000 times (1.000 times, for some of us) if I could.

            • mark

              hint: to avoid the comma/period issue, omit them until you get over 4 digits and then round using a K. 1000 10K 258K and so on

            • MarcabExpat

              Same here, to the kabillionth power.

            • Robert Eckert

              I liked Tia a lot too, and felt more sad than angry when she left. Of course, I didn’t give her any money, and in the immediate aftermath her posts were more nuts than evil.

            • FredEX2

              …Paulette survived the Holocaust…and the Nazi’s as a child,..only to be put thru another tortuous holocaust by a Naziesque cult. She was the Heroine in her own story…and both a Heroine and a lifeline in mine.

            • Bavarian Rage

              I truly believe she could benefit from an appropriate psychiatric drug for whatever ails her.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Mike Rinder could go off on Marty but will not due to his own moral compass.
            I respect that.

            I feel similarly about Tia. Yes, I am disappointed and considered her a friend.
            I would rather not talk about it any further.

            • Jimmy3

              You don’t have to talk about it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              After the MK incident, there was a pact to not bring the name, the person up again.

              I guess I feel like a similar pact should be made.

            • Eileen

              The difference is that she is actively posting on Marty’s blog and evidently playing the same “rewriting history” game that Marty is playing. Not mentioning her would be dishonest at this particular time.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I realize I am in the minority here.
              I have not idea if Tia reads here or not.
              But aren’t we feeding her sense of persecution, if she does?

            • Jimmy3

              By calling her out on her shit? That’s persecution?

            • Mockingbird

              I hate being persecuted ! Seriously, it is hard to know what will upset people. You can tell the truth or mildly joke and really offend people.

              I mainly feel sorry for Miss Tia. It’s sad to see all the relationships harmed by Scientology.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s not about offensive comments or iffy jokes, MB. She scammed people for real money.

            • Mockingbird

              I was unaware of that. Whatever financial arrangements occurred were something I never participated in. I am still waiting for my pay from SMERSH and Soros. Big gravity, where is my check ?

            • Eclipse-girl

              J3,
              I was not aware of that. I was not present during that time.
              I was taken in by MK and my thoughts at that time was I didn’t give anything that I couldn’t afford to lose. Hopefully, I will be wiser the next time situtations like that occur.

              No one likes being scammed. It appears that Tia was the second to do that to our generous, compassionate community. She was around during the MK event.

              I apologize for being unaware of all that went down during that time.

              I hope we are still good between us. I try to treat everyone fairly, give them a chance, and expect to be able to hold a reasonable dialogue. I hope you feel the same about me.

            • FredEX2

              Jimmy, I’ve been gone most of the last few days. What is the ‘MK incident’? What did I miss?

            • Jimmy3
            • FredEX2

              Tkx Jimmy.

            • Eclipse-girl

              She could percieve it as such.

            • ReneeG

              I, for one, don’t give a rat’s ass what she thinks, feels, or says about anything said about her here. Imma gonna say what I want to say and discuss what I want to discuss and not even give a thought to how it might affect her. I don’t think it’s healthy to have topics that cannot be discussed.

            • ReneeG

              And by discussed, I mean in a thoughtful, respectful, civilized manner.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That is all that I strive for here.
              We are a community and will have differences of opinions.

              I apologize as I did not know what went down went Tia left.

              I hope we are good.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Part of the pact after the MK incident is because some of us were taken advantage of, many of us were oturight POed at being used. Such discussions were not going to forward the point, mission of the blog.

              Does dwelling on the activities of Tia help us investigate the abuses, the criminal activity of sickentology?

            • ReneeG

              This blog is much more than a tightly focused forum where all that is discussed are the abuses and criminal activity of Scientology. It’s a community. I absolutely respect that those that Miss Tia hurt may prefer not to discuss it, and no one should force them to do so. There are however, other people who operate differently, and who process things by doing just that– discussing it within the community. It makes them feel better, and helps them heal. They should also have the ability to do so. IMO either way is equally valid and each should be respected. This is one of the the reasons the “collapse” function exists.

            • Dale

              Yes. With some people, all forms of communication end up at the same dead end.

            • gtsix

              Yes, she reads here.

              The wind would feed her sense of persecution.

              Sorry you lost a friend. You’re gonna have a collapse some threads, because she’s not going away.

              Unless she takes up JAW’s offer and joins Scientology outright.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              She is actively doing harm and needs to be outed.

            • Jimmy3

              And I feel like she still reads here, and should be made to feel ashamed for the villainous turn she’s taken.

            • Dale

              The ability to feel shame is a function of self awareness. In her case, and in the case of Marty, shame is being converted into self righteousness.

            • Kaarli Makela

              Hmmmm … this is a very interesting dynamic you mention, and it sure rings true. Speaking generally, about human nature …

            • Eclipse-girl

              This bugs me because it may ring true in my case.

              I do not want to go into more. My story is not a secret but the blog is about sckentology and I do not want to distract form that.

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              Just FYI: I actually don’t think she reads here, because when Alonzo’s blog was active, she said she didn’t know anything about the Lemberger email…

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I know what you mean. Evoking certain names does tend to re-light old fires.

              ETA. I haven’t previously spoken about Tia here because I agree with you that it feeds into her persecution complex, but I believe that she truly cared about what was done to Paulette, so the blithe manner in which she dismissed those atrocities with quotation marks really angered me. If Marty would allow me to comment on his blog I would have replied to Tia directly.

            • Please, don’t even try. Marty now seems to be quite prepared to edit other people’s comments (which you can do in WordPress and put words into their mouths.

              I could put up with his flippant, sneering dismissal of valid questions because they got asked, and people could see that he had no answer. Changing the text is beyond the pale.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Not going to “Moving Lower Every Day’, I was not aware of the balderdash that was being posted.

              I know you were not lashing out

              I was told by others that Tia had a 180 degree turn when it came to Tony O. It is a shame she is using Paulette, like Marty is using Paulette in an attempt to bait Tony.

            • Dale

              What pact? I don’t disagree with you E girl about the principle, and I’m only a semi regular reader here, but there are many readers here, with feelings, and a pact such as you describe only works when there are few, and the feelings are weak.

            • Jimmy3

              There was no pact. A lot of people were upset. Tony had asked that everyone just move on and leave her alone, and then our friend Captain Howdy suggested everyone stop mentioning her by name. It was just a suggestion that happened to make sense at the time, so the regulars went along with it, and for the better. But there’s no pact or oath of secrecy.

            • ReneeG

              So we don’t have to disconnect from you??? (That’s a JOKE, don’t be hatin’ on me)

            • Dale

              Thank you. That explains it. I remember when Tia stopped posting, and why, but I don’t recall reading posts from Captain Howdy so I thought he had already departed by the time I started reading.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m talking about monkeyknickers. It’s a longer backstory. :/

            • Eclipse-girl

              He (Captn Howdy) was a curmudgeon. There were people who knew him, and he knew and got along with very well. New comers here had to prove themselves, not a bad thing.

              He had a reason to vicerally hate sickentology.

              He was also VERY good at putting Trolls in their place.

              We all miss him. Irony : Cleveland was the destination for the first Howdycon, in 2016. Tia was making all the arrangements until she decided the Bunker, and its denizens were no longer to be trusted? I do not want to put words in Tia’s mouth and I was not participating here.

              Other people came in during the last few months to make the inital Howdycon the experience that it was. Unfortunately, I could not make that one because I had to attend a meeting out of the country. I was sad.

            • Dale

              Thanks E girl. I always enjoy reading your posts.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You are too kind to me

            • Eclipse-girl

              The incident happened several years ago.

            • Qbird
            • Qbird

              or a 26 par deux.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Thats what you meant.
              I read messenger first

              (((HUGS))) cute doggie

          • MarcabExpat

            Wow. I remember her throwing a temper tantrum, but my brain has completely deleted the episode where she pulled a monkeyknickers, which is odd since I do remember the original monkeyknickers.

            • Robert Eckert

              She wanted money for her sick dog.

            • Qbird

              She wanted (needed) money for her sick dog, but in truth, there was no sick dog.
              The 26 wanted (needed) money for her twin babies, but in truth, there were no twin babies.

              All just lies to con other ppl out of their money.
              Doing LRH’s work: nice lyin’ liars that lie.

              live & learn people, live & gd learn. i have.

            • MarcabExpat

              Ah, yes, that rings a faint bell.

        • Eileen

          And now her level of outrage is just as great, but is pointed in the opposite direction. MissTia needs enemies.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Or maybe some protection of what they may have found out about her and using. Called blackmail.

        • Snippy_X

          Wow, Andrea, that seems like eons ago. So now it’s almost as if, not only are there two Marty’s, but there are also two Miss Tias. Spooky.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I know, Snippity-Snips 🙁

          • Eclipse-girl

            It is spooky

    • Jimmy3

      Either she’s always been ‘phony’, or her existing ‘crazy’ has been supplemented by recent ‘head trauma’.

    • gtsix

      Disgusted is a more apt word.

    • OOkpik

      Yes, she’s very short on insight if she doesn’t realize that people can have reasons for doing things other than seeking attention.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd99aa253055db89536d13aff262822650b02d72433966b88172f992d62bd056.gif

    • Newiga

      *sigh* Sometimes I question people’s ability to mature after kindergarten… Sad and pathetic that is. She ought to know better.

    • Dale

      It is disappointing, but it is also an insight into how easily the mind can be fooled, and how willing we all are to make dupes of ourselves.

      Tia’s online footprint, that’s all I know about her, is very angry and frankly abusive. She stated on Marty’s blog that she avoids confrontation. This, coming from a person whose moniker is flipping the bird at the camera, a totally juvenile and unoriginal stance.

      • Mary Smith

        She is also a scam artist and a thief. Remember when she asked people of this blog to contribute to her sick dog–it was all a scam to get money. that is when she bailed from the bunker when confronted. Beware of crazy people like this.

        • Dale

          I was reading here at the time, but didn’t know about that. I quit reading the blog for awhile, and then started reading again but quit using my own name after a contre temps with Tia that I found vile.

          • rayne troika sheep troll

            yikes …. sorry you went thru that…
            and glad i wasn’t around for the drama they caused here.

        • joan nieman

          Yes. I do remember that and also leaky pantry roof, prescriptions, noisy neighbor etc.

        • I almost sent her a laptop when her’s was allegedly down.

          • She was supposed to be putting on the original HowdyCon. I contacted her to see if there was anything I could do to help, but that was evidently right around the time she stuck the flounce and vanished. I never heard back from her.

            • redfisch

              You and me both, Artoo, but she and I remained in email contact until she finked out on HowdyCon Cleveland. After that she didn’t respond, although her LiveJournal blog was active for awhile, and may still be so, for all I know.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i still have that crazy bitches emails about last years HowdyCon and how freaking overwhelming it was for her to make a fucking dinner reservation . stupid twat

            • Eclipse-girl

              What is hard about that?
              You find a venue that can handle the approx headcount, speakers, a movie or vid,and you stay in touch with until the bill is paid. You might even do a nice thing for the employees working that evening.

              Have particpated in Mr E’s company’s holdiay parties. People like being told what is happening, and a thank you.

              You seemed to have a done a wonderful job. I am sorry I could not be there

            • Kim O’Brien

              thanks to YOU …the stress was so much that she got down to 97 pounds 😉

              i am a little pissed at you right now . I did not lose a pound .

            • Eclipse-girl

              Stress does not allow me to lose weight either.

            • Robert Eckert

              You even looked like you were having a good time.

          • Eileen

            Someone did send her a laptop.

            • Eclipse-girl

              No Shit. I am sorry to hear that.

    • PattyCakenfeld

      This has been posted here before but as a mild reminder, it might be prudent to use an anonymous web proxy like http://alter-ip.com when visiting Moving On Up.

      Not going there at all is certainly another option. 😉

      Perhaps indicating the total lack of interest in him by the world at large, Marty’s wikipedia page has not been updated to include his “new” beliefs or even to mention that Monique’s lawsuit was dropped.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Or just not visit ‘Moving Lower every day’

        • joan nieman

          And lower, and lower and……..

      • A easier option is to use install and use the Opera web browser for visits to such places.

        It’s an under-appreciated application, that is lean and fast. More to the point, it is the first to have a free, reliable, built in Virtual Private Network (VPN) – an anonymous web proxy.

        To activate it, click on the Opera Icon (labelled ‘Menu’) at the top left and select ‘Settings’. In the sidebar, go to ‘Privacy and security’ and tick the ‘Enable VPN box’. A little icon will appear in your address bar to remind you it’s on.

        I use Firefox most of the time, but switch to Opera for things like CofS sites (which Marty’s is, now).

        • Eclipse-girl

          We use that to download TV.

      • Philbyification

        To watch The Jefferson’s Intro? lol Who is Marty and Mosey playing now, their neighbors?

    • Incontinental Breakfast

      People lash out when they think they’re on the losing end.

    • Observer

      😦🙁

      Whoever got to her succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

      • I don’t think anybody got to her. I think the poor thing’s just broken and should stay off the internet. She’s looking to belong to something, anything. To fit in. She fit in here for a while, and we were all charmed until someone stepped on one of her many eggshells. Then we were all bad. Black and white. No gray. It’ll be the same wherever she lands. It’s a kind of portable hell for all concerned.

        • Frodis73

          ^^^Yes to all of this.

    • dungeon master

      Thing about koolade
      It comes in many flavors
      Miss T’ s drunk on it.

    • April

      Holy shit! Being framed for a federal crime that carries a hefty prison sentence is supposedly not an ordeal. WTF? And all of this is documented…by the CO$’s own paperwork!

    • beauty for ashes

      That doesn’t even sound like her. That sounds like a puppet. It sounds fishy. Miss Tia was ALWAYS a huge victims advocate from people to animals. She put out peanut butter sandwiches for the squirrels in her back yard. I am more concerned for her mental state, as this would be a huge departure from her character, like a psychotic break. There has to be more to this story.

      • Eileen

        Her online history shows exactly these behaviors, just the forum changes.

    • Eileen

      Just a reminder I-Betty: “We didn’t start the fire…”. A quick google search of Miss Tia and Dyer.

      Miss Tia’s f-words don’t refer to forte
      HERE IS A well- deserved pat on the back to Bob Dyer, the Beacon Journal columnist, whose journalistic curiosity led him to the discovery of Miss Tia, who turns out to be Miss Akron Garbage Mouth of 2009. And who, you might ask, is Miss Tia? And why does she deserve her 15 minutes of attention in a family newspaper? Read on.

    • JaxNGold

      Sorry, but this just pisses me right off. I didn’t know Tia all that well. We had a few posts back and forth between us from time to time. But it was almost always drama, drama and more drama…with lots of caps lock and exclamation points thrown in.

      If she’d been through even 10% of what Paulette went through, no one would ever hear the end of it. She would have gone on and on relentlessly until everyone knew and everyone cared. So for her to belittle the horror Paulette went through and suggest she’s some kind of attention-seeker is just rich — not to mention hypocritical considering Tia’s desperate need for attention.

    • Kim O’Brien

      oh for fuck sake . she is pissing me off .

    • Bavarian Rage

      Thank you for initiating this discussion thread which has filled in a few gaps in my understanding of Miss T – namely the dog incident here, and her apparent almost decade-long history of s-disturbing in various corners of the inter web. Always did come across as slightly unhinged loose cannon. That’s why I don’t think I ever engaged with her except to compliment her ‘Miss Lovely’ cross stitch, which – as a fellow cross stitcher – I’ll always always respect, regardless of the rest of her actions. Quite ironic that cross stitch book cover in light of her current ramblings. Quite sad, actually.

  • downtherabbithole

    “raid at a hotel conference” – Not Found
    Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn’t here.

    same with this link – “filed against 15 Scientologists”

    • Jimmy3
      • downtherabbithole

        Thank you Jimmy3

      • Eclipse-girl

        The Lermanet link isn’t working for me. 😢

        • Jimmy3

          fixed
          refresh

      • Rasha

        I posted these links four minutes newer. Do try to keep up.

        • Jimmy3

          You’re gonna have to wake up four minutes newer to fool me.

          • Kestrel

            If you kids don’t stop that right now I’m gonna turn this car around.

            • Jimmy3

              Maybe we want you to turn the car around. Maybe we don’t want to go there and have to wait in the car while you “play bingo” again. We know that building is not a Church, dad.

            • Rasha

              When can we see those dogs,dad? You said there were puppies!

            • chukicita

              They are magic puppies. You can only see the puppies if you behave.

            • Uh, daddy and I sent the puppies to . . . Summer camp! Upstate! They’re having ever so much fun!

            • Kestrel

              It’s not a bingo parlor, either, kid.

            • Dammit. They’re on to us. (rummages around in cluttered glovebox for stale candy)

            • Rasha

              YAY! PIT MANEUVER!!!

    • Rasha

      There appear to be some extra characters at the end of the urls. Try these.

      https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/sources/media/sp221188.htm
      http://www.lermanet.com/cos/spain.html

      • Jimmy3

        No, don’t try those. Use the ones I gave.

        • Rasha

          Oh, cool. Let me just…. click and…. WOAH! What the hell did I just sign up for?

      • Rasha

        Love paragraph I of the Lermanet doc:

        “…the procedure enjoined in Chapter II of Title III of Volume IV of the Law of Criminal Prosecution … in section V of article 789…”

        It would be weird if section V was on page 6……

        • Jimmy3

          Good eye.

          • Rasha

            …it’s the chemtrails….

            • Jimmy3

              You don’t have a vinegar sprayer?

            • Rasha

              I do, but it just makes rainbows. I may be pointing it in the wrong direction….

            • Fucking Marcab rainbows.

      • chukicita

        Thank you, Rasha! I was having the same problem.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “trabajo hormiga”?

    Wait a minute, that’s not what Dave said.

    “We’ve arrived at the close of an all but mythic year,” Mr. Miscavige began.
    “Not only a year equivalent to a thousand years of triumph, not only a year
    surpassing any since the first tick of time, but a year to remind us that
    time is quite easily compressed, especially when you’re working at warp speed.
    It was a year of upward mobility that takes us to the front porch of infinity.”

    Meanwhile, back at the Outhouse of Irrelevance, The Macallan helps drown the bitter taste
    of encroaching tides of entheta and the uneasy feeling that none of the help speak English.
    Being forced to hire the most bitter of defrocked apostates in a futile attempt to sow some
    polysyllabic confusion is tantamount to an admission of powerlessness.
    A beaten cur is unlikely to inspire anything but refutation and derision.

    And “Aftermath” versus ((($)))SuMP is Davey versus Go Leah but this time the David lacks
    all qualities except feral cunning and a criminal mind.

    Tick bloody Tock, Tosser.
    Your Ideal Org strategy is a bust.
    Sunset for your cult:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a5da4282b13d503f781af8cb566e1ab18369f0a11cf13a4b2368483c12531ec3.jpg

    • Mockingbird

      I swear the speech on triumph reminds me of Nazi Germany propaganda rallies.

      • It’s really megalodon-jumpingly epic jargon. I don’t know how much more hyperbole one can pack into a sentence. He also leaves himself no place to go by ratcheting every speech up to 11. I suppose people are simply numb to it at this point.

        • Mockingbird

          It’s designed to stir the emotions of the already enthralled. It’s for people that project an epic majestic ideal onto Scientology ALREADY.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      “Encroaching tides of entheta…polysyllabic confusion…Davey versus Go Leah…”

      Marvelous offering Pan!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Whoa…Dan Sherman pulled out all the stops there in creating that way-over-the-top-of-the-top speech for lil davey!

      You really have to wonder if either Dan or lil davey realize that with phrases like, “…a thousand years of triumph…” that they’re directly invoking Nazi propaganda and conjuring images of the Third Reich’s failed attempt to subjugate the entire world for the next 1,000 years of history? Apparently not.

      The cult’s silly and cartoonish, “To infinity and beyond!” propaganda seems to be getting ramped up as an inverse function of the cult’s contraction and the decline in its active membership numbers continues to slide. That’s a sure-fire recipe for increasing the kind of head-exploding levels of cognitive dissonance that will cause true believer cultists either to turn in their thetans and return to the real world or to hold on ever-tighter to The Dream and blindly follow their tiny leader into whatever kind of Jonestown-like ultimate finale he might come up with. They’re a coven of self-blindfolded fools, marching backwards in lock step, with their fingers firmly stuck in their ears, towards the cataract which will surely sweep them away.

      There’s never going to be a better moment to escape the cherch than RIGHT NOW, because from now until the cult’s final implosion, it’s just going to get worse for those who are still in and following the dictates of their pocket-sized Dear Leader .

    • According to Einstein (and we have no reason to doubt him) it’s fundamentally impossible to travel at the speed of light, let alone faster.

      The Alcubierre drive (a theoretical concept upon which the fictional warp drive in “Star Trek” was based) was a proposed work-around. If you stretched space in front of your ship, and shrank it behind, you would get to where you were going sooner than light, without exceeding the speed of light in the space you occupied.

      Consequently, time dilation would not take place, time would not be ‘compressed’ at warp speed, and silly Dave got it wrong again.

      Unfortunately, Warp drive would require unbelievable amounts of negativeenergy and probably isn’t possible either. Shame.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    For those of you surprised by the use of quotation marks for the word “ordeal”,
    I would like you to look at the “Books Read 2015” in this image:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/790cd6de3aa0bae0ba84d3367f2bcaa2135f38f6810393a80ba536072ba28e7a.jpg

    “Dishonest” can be added to “contrarian” as label.
    I will remain civil and avoid using a rather more extensive vocabulary.
    A terrible childhood does not excuse craven callousness or a disregard for facts.
    May her hypocondria be as rewarding for her as her treachery.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Alleged terrible childhood. I don’t believe much that comes out of the mouth of people constantly being the center of endless drama with every single person around them.

      • MarcabExpat

        Agreed. I have had up-close-and-personal experience with this sort of person recently. It’s impossible to figure out, with such types, whether being who they are impels them to create drama and stories, or whether they really do have tragic stories that have resulted in their tragically being who they are now.

        By the time they arrive in your neck of the woods and turn everything upside down and everyone against each other, it’s too late to do anything but protect yourself from the toxic effects.

        • ReneeG

          Have you ever done a deep dive into Histrionic Personality Disorder? I’ve run into a few of these in my time on earth. We used to call them drama llamas, now they have a fancier name.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

          • MarcabExpat

            Yep, that’s exactly what we were dealing with. Every event is a crisis, every conversation is a confrontation or a betrayal, you’re either “part of my support system” or you’re scheming behind my back to hurt me, don’t confront me on my behavior or I’ll need to go see all five of my therapists in one day! And of course, the secret gossip mill that has the rest of the gang looking askance at each other, not realizing that one single person is responsible for making everybody question everybody else’s motives.

            TOXIC is the only word for it, and once it’s rooted out, it can take years to repair the damage.

            • And if you call them out or publicly reveal them, you’re the next target. Lovely stuff. It’s great when they sit down with you and tell you in confidence about some awful thing that so-and-so did. Now, you don’t know if they’re crazy or if so-and-so really is a monster. Could be either way and you’re stuck with that smeared all over you. Do you tell someone else and smear it on them? Do you confront so-and-so and risk your relationship with them if it’s a lie? Do you confront the person who told you the story and you’re the asshole because it’s true and you didn’t believe them? These folks are masters of the no-win situation. Avoid them regardless of their outward charms.

            • MarcabExpat

              YUP. Obviously you’ve been there. In our case, there are still a few people who no longer associate with us because they haven’t been relieved of the notion that we wronged a nice, harmless old lady who’s just been having a rough time and overcome so much adversity and only wants to be kind to everybody. Whereas, if they’d stuck around just a little longer, they would have realized they were being played like a violin.

            • April

              That sounds more like Borderline Personality Disorder, especially the black/white thinking (i.e. they either hate you or love you, no in-between and they flip flop between these two extremes). Histrionics typically just want to be the center of attention, not scheme behind the scenes to create drama. They’ll do stuff like dress flamboyantly and behave in ways that are not necessarily designed to cause conflict, just draw attention to themselves. I’d MUCH rather deal with a histrionic (in small doses) because at least they tend to be entertaining. The borderlines…not so much. https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml

            • MarcabExpat

              Yeah, we debated, but since none of us had access to her five therapists, it was just us all talking. We all wondered how much each knew about the others, and if they agreed on their own diagnoses. Painful.

            • beauty for ashes

              That is also a symptom of PTSD which Tia had, the iloveyou/ihateyou. People seem either good or bad, for you or against you. I’m not saying I’m right just something to consider.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Did look into Malignant Naricissisim and Borderline Personality Disorder. Neither of which are people the onese wants to deal with, let along havein their community

  • Mat Pesch

    Sounds like an easy mission. PR and bullshit the local public. Find out who needs to be paid and how much in the government. Grease the palms. Enjoy the Mexican food and beer. Hasta luego …. I once ran a job for the cherch in Clearwater where the work was completed before Building and Safety approved the plans. In order to get all the inspections signed off after the fact and to get a Cert of Occupancy (C of O), I had to provide the inspector the car of his choice.

    • Philbyification

      Crimony Mat! What a Group! 😀

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    The patterns in the OSA staffers’ lives. Being part of some large “earlier-similar” counter-attack or defense victory in Scientology’s history, glues a Humberto Fontana OSA staffer to lifetime loyalty to the movement. (Marty’s victories, the IRS win in particular, is a major loyalty magnetic pull Scientology will always have in his mind, pulling him to defend Scientology in the biggest way.)

    OSA staffers’ “pleasure moments” are dishing out nastiness to “enemies”, and Marty’s victories, his life’s legacy victories in his 3rd book, that book is to me the blueprint of the Marty Handling Program that coincided with Marty’s “handling” to be doing these smear videos that are now on Scientology central “enemy” smear website.

    That tragic human unfortunate loyalty given when it was not deserved.

    Scientology life is so twisted that it’s elite top staffers get conditioned to act the way they do.

    This is Hubbard’s nasty legacy writings and logic they are adopting to act this disgracefully and trickily.

    Only the legal paper pushing seems legit about Scientology.

    The motives of Hubbard, the lack of “OT” results (no soul-flying Scientologists, no ESP demonstrating supernatural “powerful” followers with dramatically exemplary human character that is really helping the world), instead the movement is carrying out Hubbard’s deficiencies as a human being.

    Scientology really only makes the world worse, and it’s “greatest” members still standing are fooled into thinking they are saving the world.

    Such a strange group carrying out Hubbard’s mind, and their “best” staffers don’t know any better what they’ve sunk into.

    Media is the only avenue laying out reality in this whole long history of good media and books, on Scientology’s goings on.

    This blog is priceless, and there’s never been anything like Tony’s depth of understanding and articles.

    Thankyou so much Rod Keller.

    Sad repellent Marty, taking some kind of deal, and Marty’s videos appear on the Scientology smear website central.

    I think OSA targeted Merrill Vannier and a few key others as part of the “Marty Handling Program” OSA op to bend Marty back into the fold. There is some terrific complex op going on with Marty, and will go on, for the rest of Marty’s life.

    The high level keeping ex Scientology in-the-know officials silenced, is a repeating theme. I’d love to see the long stream of revisions to the “Marty Handling Program.” That program’s “success” would translate in possibly some “libs” or a dinner, for some of the OSA staffers who pulled it off. Something to watch for, those victory meals that OSA staffers take, or their libs, or Warren McShane’s perks, or someone’s getting some deserved award for pushing Marty into his old place.

    I still so wish some OSA staffer like Kathy O’Gorman would start sending USB drives of all of OSA’s files to the FBI.

    • Mockingbird

      If Scientology ever collapses the OSA hardliners will have a very hard time. Coming out of Scientology is extremely difficult after decades in already. Add the mountain of crimes and abuses OSA members commit and it’s a tough burden – if faced with honesty.

      Most Scientologists can honestly say we didn’t know about most of the crimes Scientology commits. The OSA members can’t say that.

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        http://www.scientology-lies.com/people/michael-meisner.html

        Marty does NOT get the “Michael Meisner Award”

        Marty got a big mention with Heber and Norman at the IRS “win” event.

        I’m hoping Linda Hamel or Kathy O’Gorman (who has access and could get the files to the FBI since she’s the OSA Files boss) are more hopefuls for the future

        “Michael Meisner OSA/GO Ex Member Award”

        • Mockingbird

          I need a little more context to understand the awards.

          • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4677bce8ca8d2c0ec27b5c9cd704ff1a3b9e127eb58ac61053b7c43c6cb5c0ff.png

            The IRS War Is Over event is the high point of both Miscavige’s and Marty’s greatest victories for Scientology.

            That moment defines Marty’s highest value to Scientology.

            Heber’s been “Holed” and Marty’s blown and gone bad, and now Marty’s back.

            The highpoints of the great Scientologists’ lives I think is the greatest pull to their allegiences, pulling Marty back to his greatest life achievement.

            The points in the War Is Over video to look at are the points Miscavige does mention Marty by name, and acknowledge Marty and Heber and Norman, amid the awards to the other lawyers who through the years did the work.

            Go to
            1 hour
            35 minutes
            28 seconds to see proud Marty.
            Then the moment Marty, Norman and Heber get Miscavige’s thankyou, no crystals at that moment, but later I saw Norman’s in his office at ASI, so I presume Marty got his too.
            2 hours
            6 minutes
            58 seconds

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uumuuQm5eQ#t=2h6m58s

            • Mockingbird

              Fascinating information made even more relevant in the larger context of how Scientology and Hubbard and Miscavige as cult leaders have treated these particular men as cult members and very high lieutenants within the cult. It’s made even more intriguing by the subsequent path Marty Rathbun is on.

              A biography on Hubbard as a film or documentary series is needed of the quality of Piece of Blue Sky and one on Miscavige as well. After those two Marty Rathbun is high on the list to show the cult and the mindset a cult member can embrace.

              Obviously most of us don’t flip flop or commit crimes to an extent anywhere close to the degree Marty Rathbun has. He is a bit of an overachiever in both categories.

            • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

              yea, this is unique in the history of major defectors.

        • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

          Marty at the War Is Over event, moment that Miscavige just announced the victory.
          Go to

          1 hour
          35 minutes
          28 seconds to see proud Marty.

          Then the moment Marty, Norman and Heber get Miscavige’s thankyou, no crystals at that moment, but later I saw Norman’s in his office at ASI, so I presume Marty got his too.

          2 hours
          6 minutes
          58 seconds

          the trio, Marty, Norman and Heber front row shake hands.

          https://tinyurl.com/y7e282yt

          • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03
          • Chee Chalker

            Marty, Norman and Heber:
            The Three Stooges

            • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

              I mean, who to blame really?

              Hubbard pulled a big one on everyone.

            • Chee Chalker

              True….I could have called them a troika, but I thought that would be an insult to troikas.

            • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

              the Hubbard idea of what was to be a sort of troika, would be WDC, Exec Strata, and RTC. With ASI and CST off as sort of Hubbard’s “Palace City” in relation to the former 3 groups. Ron’s Journal 39 “Today and Tomorrow: The Proof” would be the final “troika” setup

              Hubbard’s “hats” he transferred to others, LOL.

              Int Base is CMO Int, Exec Strata, Gold and RTC. ASI was in LA, and CST out in the mountains.

              They were to Hubbard, the groups he left behind.

              OSA is a police intel cleanup crew, and in LA, but they utilize some of the storage building at Int for storing their stuff at times.

              INCOMM was given top billing too, with the main INCOMM setup in LA and Int Base INCOMM I today would need to see newly, it used to be in the middle villas at the Int Base, and then there are external INCOMM sites much smaller in Clearwater, UK and EU Copenhagen and one of those islands nearest the Freewinds there’s an INCOMM site of sorts.

              Starkey was ASI, Heber was OSA Int, Marty was RTC/former ASI.

              Hubbard’s left-behind alphabet soup sub groups at the “top” were and will be, if Hubbard’s writings survive Miscavige’s censorship phase of present, the Hubbard final writings, if there is future anyone who reads them and wishes to re-implement them, those writings will be the future guiding blueprint of their setups. For real, for those that take that Hubbard crap seriously.

              Miscavige’s background is messenger, and he’s gone so far overboard from what the role LRH left of the messengers, and developed this “COB” role that is only based on his own understanding of Hubbard’s writings and then mostly Miscavige’s deficiencies as a human being on display due to his unchecked power run amok.

        • Mockingbird

          I think you could be an excellent guest for Chris Shelton and Jeffrey Augustine. You know so much most people even ex Scientologists don’t that is relevant and fascinating.

  • Jonathan Rico, he seemed nasty enough for the job.

    http://infocatolica.com/blog/infories.php/1203191237-cienciologia-mexico
    Google manglate:
    https://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Finfocatolica.com%2Fblog%2Finfories.php%2F1203191237-cienciologia-mexico&edit-text=

    Proceso called the Church of Scientology to ask for his version regarding the abuses of which he is accused. Jonathan Rico , a spokesman for Scientology for Latin America, sent an e-mail to this reporter with a copy to a law firm. In the message he demanded to get a copy of the report before its publication and accused this weekly of defaming the Church of Scientology, not without suggesting a threat:

    • Mind you, Humberto Fontana has that Lisa McPherson involvement. Thank you Legoland!

    • April

      “… he demanded to get a copy of the report before its publication and accused this weekly of defaming the Church of Scientology…”

      Straight from the textbook for OSA Tactics 101.
      At least they’re consistent. Consistently awful, but still consistent nonetheless.

    • Philbyification

      Prior Restraint? HAHAHA!

  • org-rat 1003

    A load more videos, ones by ‘STAAND’, are on the Internet now with pretty much the same “content” as the Rathbun ones: they’re all titled Leah Remini Aftermath,etc. I guess the point is to flood the internet with god knows how many of these things so that anyone that types in those words or the words going clear will be met first , if OSA can manage it, with the ‘dead agent’ material.

    • PeaceMaker

      Links or search information, please.

      • org-rat 1003

        Just put Leah Remini Aftermath video response 1

    • Dale

      Yep. Uses almost the same lighting, colors, tempo, and stage design. What would we do without the corner end table.

    • ReneeG

      Wow. Leah really hit a nerve! They are giving her tons of free publicity! The more they squawk, the more it proves her point!

      • April

        The Marty videos also pique people’s curiousity, making them want to see the Aftermath show just to see what all the fuss is about. CO$, you are so much fucking fail, and disprove the maxim that there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      The cult’s intense focus on efforts to dead agent Leah and Mike in the run up to the season two premiere of their cult demolition series directly mirrors how serious a threat they perceive it to be, both to the cherch in general, and to lil davey in particular. The cherch has correctly gauged the effect the series is having on the way that the broader population perceives $cn, yet their methods of counter-acting it are, if anything, making their situation worse because those Elron-mandated, “always attack, never defend” policies and tactics are exactly why the Co$ has long been considered to be a cult in the first place. So, the decision to ramp them up, despite their ineffectiveness, just demonstrates the cult’s inflexibility and unwillingness to accept responsibility for its past crimes and abuses as a necessary prelude to substantive reform.

      In other words, the cult has no intention of instituting meaningful reforms on its own, which is telegraphed by its continuing efforts to slime, denigrate and discredit the individuals and their work which are currently having the greatest effect in exposing those very same kinds of abuses. It is as if the Co$ stands mute before the court of public opinion and, instead of trying to defend itself against the very serious, specific and direct accusations of crimes and abuses, it’s directly demonstrating its guilt by engaging in the very same types of behavior in the present that it has been accused of engaging in the past, throughout lil davey’s entire reign of terror.

      It’s as if $cn was standing in the dock, accused of felony assault, and when the judge asks, “How do plead?” the cult’s response is to leap over the rail and try to attack the judge…not exactly a guilty plea, but sure to be quite effective in getting new charges brought against it!

      Adding Mutty the Muppet’s voice to the petty, “mean girl” personal attacks against Leah and Mike is about as likely to have the intended effect on swaying public opinion as all of their previous hate/smear tactics have had, which is the exact opposite of what the cherch desired. By now, the cult’s brand equity is so utterly destroyed that the best it appears to be able to do is to take folks like Mutty down with it.

      Will these frantic acts of desperation even work to keep cultists on the reservation and buttress the cult from further losses of its active membership ranks? Only time will tell, but one thing’s for sure: The cult is running scared and trying to pull out all the stops in ramping up its black PR and fair game tactics, which haven’t worked up until now, except to make things worse for the cult.

      Einstein had a word for just this kind of behavior; I wonder if anyone in the cult is familiar with his definition of insanity?

      • BosonStark

        Yeah, wouldn’t it be great if because of Scientology’s desperate attempts to distract from Leah’s series, they just bring more attention to it, both from the public and their own membership?

        This is the real problem Scientology has when a former celebrity member wakes up and applies the same zeal to exposing Scientology that she used in advocating for it and practicing it herself. It is absolutely wonderful that Leah is doing this. They took her for a fool who could easily be intimidated or controlled and they miscalculated completely, and do not know what to do about it. It is a problem they have never faced before, not at this magnitude.

        So they’re going to pull out all the stops, including Marty Rathbun. What a joke! What’s next, the cult giving some whales their money back so they won’t leave?

        • TexasBroad

          I would like to see Greta leave and become an activist. An impassioned critic with a contact list full of politicians and media people would be amazing. I can dream….people sometimes leave in times of high personal stress.

          • BosonStark

            I really don’t know what Greta’s personality is. I’ve watched her the most, about 5 times, since she switched to MSNBC. Oddly, I found myself liking her on-screen personality or lack thereof. She reminds me of someone’s aunt. I expect her to bring jars of jam she made herself from under her desk. She lacks glamour, and it is a little bit refreshing or different.

            Maybe she’ll have some free time now though, between jobs, and she’ll apply some of the rigor she must use in her job, to reading up on the history of Scientology by reading either GOING CLEAR, Barefaced Messiah or Tony’s book.

            Leah, on the other hand, through her book, we know she’s opinionated, stubborn, and strong-willed and yet not afraid to admit her foibles and mistakes. She’s also a fighter, a dynamo.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          “This is the real problem Scientology has when a former celebrity member
          wakes up and applies the same zeal to exposing Scientology that she used
          in advocating for it and practicing it herself.”

          It sure is! You might even say that, because the founder made an early decision to hitch the cherch’s cart to the cult of Hollywood stardom, that lil davey is now faced with dealing with the long-term consequences and downside of choosing that course.

          Both Elron and lil davey have sought to shine in the light of other stars and share in the glow of the public’s affection and the masses desire to emulate them. But, instead of an ever-increasing number of the rich and famous flocking to the CC, the cult’s been reduced to pandering to the likes of Joy Villa, Chilli Beings and the artist formerly known as Kuba Khan (may Xenu preserve his memory), while its dwindling club of aging film and television stars isn’t attracting anything but derision and mockery to the “beautiful religion”.

          The cult’s most fitting epitaph may well turn out to be: Live by celebrity, die by celebrity.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        On the Memorial Day Leah special, they had clips/previews of the upcoming shows. It seems like they are moving from the main focus being disconnection to the main focus being crimes such as child abuse and sexual assault. This might worry the criminal organization even more than the stories in Season 1, because there may be more legal vulnerability.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I’m sure it does, given how insular the cult is and their unofficial motto: “What happens in $cn stays in $cn”.

          Getting involved in trying to protect cult celebs, like Danny M., from the criminal consequences of their behavior can land you in a world of hurt via criminal conspiracy charges, civil liability, as well as in the court of public opinion, where the cult is about tied with ISIS in their favorability ratings.

          Who knows what other crimes and abuses remain to be uncovered. My bet is that as more people find the courage to speak out, we will hear more and more.

    • BosonStark

      I think it’s “STAND League,” not STAAND, or I couldn’t find anything about the latter. STAND stands for Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination. What? Shouldn’t it be STAAND as you said? It’s a Scientology front group. It’s got the Scientology symbol on the video and, as you said, a copy of Marty’s talking points. However, the woman in this is more coherent and succinct than Marty.

      Without doing this through ads, Scientology would have a problem trying to raise their views in YouTube or Google so that anyone searching for the name of Leah’s series would come upon one of these cult videos.

      But I wonder, how many people decide what show they want to watch on A&E by clicking on an ad? Yeah, I think these ads could backfire on Scientology. They show how desperate and clueless Scientology is, what to do about Leah’s show.

    • I suspect this is why Marty’s videos are so short and so many. They will turn up in searches multiple times when the keywords are entered. It’s a crude attempt to game Google.

  • rayne troika sheep troll

    hey DM… “united for a clear ny” … hows that workin for ya?

    • Philbyification

      They should put up those yellow vulture tents and see how fast they get a beat down for their BS!! lolol

  • ze moo

    How does any organization proudly extol the virtues of ‘safe pointing’?

    I watched my dvr copy of Friday nights ‘Bill Maher’ show and there was a $cieno joke in it. I liked the ensuing laughter.

  • volunteerministerssuck
    net until org com in dot post horizon
    God knows why the
    great leader has registered so many domains & universal resource locators.
    Maybe

    David Miscavige has a special relevance to Scientology Hoax and Scientology
    Sucks until you com and net in the org.

    If its true that “dianeticssucks org lrhsucks com” then Lronhubbard sucks,
    so does LRH & RTC suck, as Dianetics and Scientology sucks … If Scientology
    sucks. That is basically what David Miscavige has dressed in black and white
    and besides owning the trademarks and copyrights, he now also owns the
    universal resource locator (URL) in how Scientology Sucks.
    Thinking in total 360,
    sometimes takes you back to the beginning again. Telling a lot without any
    intention to say anything …

    Probably a good reason to David
    Miscavige to alter the dirty tech. Most of the 2000 domains officially
    registered person names was about “dave Miscavige” and “David Miscavige” Yes a addresses and uniformal resource locator might change but the handling is dirty as always. Now the seeling of the most obvious URL’s and alter the way of the dirty interplay. They still sucks….

  • Incontinental Breakfast

    Should the church prevail in Mexico City they will merely gain yet another cobwebbed monument to scientology’s social irrelevance.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I expect that SMP is going to have at least one home shopping show. To capitalize on the current CO$ train wreck, I’d like to suggest the following product… 😉
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4c7d7b499c2365555f6933ce1f4d230252278b3f35f5082645f573bf60ed182.png

  • “.. dossiers on the two containing confidential information”

    How very much like a “church” that is – Not!

    A criminal organisation through and through – perhaps with some dupes who that have not yet been required to “volunteer” to break the law…

  • Mockingbird

    A funny thing is the extreme contrast between the information available outside Scientology and the version of “acceptable truth” (aka lie) you get while IN Scientology.

    I was told Heber Jentzsch was in prison in another country due to “religious discrimination” – which is what Scientology calls actual crimes when they are caught. Interesting interpretation.

    Of course, even then I could say “when something bad happens to ME I get no compassion and told I had to go effect of my overts and witholds and be out ethics to go PTS to my unhandled PT OWs.” So, if he is in prison, why aren’t you asking about HIS ethics ?

    I discovered something important about Scientology – some Scientologists are more revered than others. Similarly the standards Hubbard set for everyone else didn’t apply to him EVEN in Scientology’s version of events. Everyone knows he was injured in 1967 and he said it was due to his bravely overcoming the whole track implantation of seventy five million year old dead alien spirits in pioneering OT III .

    I foolishly on several occasions asked if he was PTS to be injured and was treated like the lowest scum in the universe for daring to consider that Hubbard could have ever been wrong or less than absolutely perfect in any way. This happened several times when dealing with Sea Org members and other Scientologists.

    They really acted like Hubbard was absolutely perfect and all the rules he established for humans and ethics and needs for improvement, overts, etc, didn’t apply to him and that unlike everyone else he never had overts or witholds or evil purposes to overcome or even any errors in making decisions ever.

    That’s why I tell people he was treated like a messiah. He was treated as superior to God by several Scientologists openly. Several expressed a personal belief that long ago either one big thetan or several together created a physical universe or predecessor to it. The big one or group eventually saw it turn into a giant mess with degraded beings and old postulates piled up and like an absentee slumlord the old thetan or thetans abandoned the sum of creation and gave up.

    Then as the story goes Hubbard came along and was so pure, so good, so free from evil purposes and acts that he couldn’t be degraded down like everyone else and he easily and rapidly overcame the reactive mind and whole track implants everyone else is held back by. In Scientology there is the idea that one goes the effect of overts they commit in this universe. Since Scientologists see Hubbard as overt free they saw him as much better at overcoming the overts others tried to commit against him as implants and that is supposed to be why he was capable of doing what no other being could.

    He was seen as a unique savior far superior to even God or gods. That’s why I sometimes tell people he was treated as a messiah. It’s no exaggeration.

    • Noesis

      Hubbard was the Game Maker of Scientology and thus not subject to any (of his own) rules.

      Rules are to be enforced and / obeyed by others.

      The people doing the enforcing / obeying do not even realize they are just players, pieces or broken pieces in Hubbard’s game.

      It’s all laid out in PDC tape 39.

    • Draco

      messiah
      noun
      1.
      the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
      2.
      a leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.

      No 2 applies…definitely not an exaggeration.

      • Mockingbird

        Thank you. That’s exactly how it struck me. I was talking to people in the late eighties at Buffalo org and in about 1988 to 1990 I met about a dozen Scientologists that sincerely saw Hubbard as outside and superior to humanity. They literally saw him as a pure and infallible spiritual leader that could save humanity from not only physical extinction but eternal spiritual damnation as well. If that is a messiah I don’t know what is.

        These were people like an executive director and executives and students at the org as well as the LRH Comm and Flag Rep. I met more Scientologists and Sea Org members that shared these beliefs openly and it gave the impression everyone or most Scientologists at the Buffalo org sincerely and passionately believed this, even if they didn’t openly say it.

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding Scientology “preparing to play dirty” it’s like a shark preparing to swim. It does it constantly already. Scientology has been playing dirty long before I was born and continued every second of every day I have been alive. It’s first nature.

    • April

      Yeah they’re not preparing to play dirty. They’ve been plaing dirty for at least the past 60+ years.

      • Mockingbird

        They got prepared a long time ago.

  • What’sup

    I’m pretty sure Humberto Fontana was the singer at my cousins wedding.

    Underwhelming.

  • Mockingbird

    I think to some degree the smear videos will backfire. Some Scientologists will feel it’s okay to watch smear videos and eventually be curious enough to watch Leah’s show and read her book and watch Going Clear and read the book. Leah’s show will inspire people to look at books and even come to the Underground Bunker and some will reject Scientology completely.

    And by putting the smear videos on Scientology gives a kind of permission slip to Scientology cult members to watch the videos. Then they inspire curiosity about what is being smeared and who and what is being refuted.

    It won’t work on everyone but the people that bother to be willing to look at critics to any degree are often close to being willing to listen to them.

    • April

      I could swear that I’ve heard or seen some exes say that the “posse of lunatics” cover/story in the Freedom rag was too much for them and it had a lot to do with expediting their exit from the church. Am I mis-remembering?

      • Mockingbird

        I know. I ended up here after reading that story.

  • flyonthewall
    • Jimmy3

      To much to make fun of and i a mini storke

      • flyonthewall

        bite your wallet and lay on your side so you don’t swallow your tongue

        • April

          That’s for seizures, you silly! I have no idea what to do for strokes other than go immediately to the ER.

    • Princess Poopypants

      Deleted because pic did not load.

    • Princess Poopypants

      My grandma was cleaning house and found this squirrel nutcracker and gave it to me. I had to stifle a laugh….
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10237e22c31829b386b44373ab3f36793a757352bff0fb004c73710ca8a5ea5f.jpg

    • Exgoppdx

      Might want to tape over your camera.

  • Mockingbird

    Chris Elston posted this on Facebook “The Church of Scientology sent a dildo to Monique Rathbun’s workplace and sent flowers and a fake lesbian letter to her coworker to embarrass Monique. The Church also made allegations that she was a man who had a sex change operation.

    Marty is shilling for the people who did that to his wife.”

    DAMN

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I wonder how the other Monique might have felt if that had happened to her instead.

      • Mockingbird

        Oh boy. That’s an interesting idea…

    • Dale

      It’s the Ted Cruz syndrome. ‘You trashed my wife, which has nothing to do with the dirty floor you are standing on, I’ll lick it for you.’

      • April

        Ugh I can’t stand that smarmy motherfucker. He’s so bad that even many of his fellow republican congressmen hate him.

      • Mockingbird

        Wow

      • Mockingbird

        Ted Cruz is a particularly disgusting and repugnant political creature. Many politicians are to varying degrees corrupt or lacking compassion and dishonest but Cruz has been an extremely abhorrent example. Whether it’s his embrace of Christian supremacy or his enthusiasm for economic genocide or his fierce anti gay position or his steadfast condemnation of Trump that morphed into support and begging for acceptance, he really is outstanding.

    • April

      And it’s a matter of public court record. Which Marty described under oath. If he denies it now he could be charged with perjury.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I hope that some Spanish speaking exes can get word to the folks in the neighborhood around that illegal Org construction about what they may expect in the next few weeks and months. OSA plays dirty, and the nice people who are opposing them need to be made aware.

    • dungeon master

      I hope some nice, Spanish speaking people will forward this article to the local construction code office, so that everyone who’s palms need greasing is there with their hand out. I wouldn’t want anyone’s eternity to be fucked up lost just because they thought they could get away with whatever they want as far as construction code/permits being met didn’t bother doing things according to local laws! Six of one, half a dozen of another.. do the job right, or do what you want and pay whatever it costs. Fiduciary responsibility? Pffft!

      • ze moo

        Mexico City has had devastating earthquakes in the past. Current building codes reflect that problem. As I don’t speak Spanish, I’ll leave the linking and education to others.

        There is a Mexican building magnate (al-la Trumpy) who is building Tom Cruises Clearwater building. I expect he can lead Humberto to the right doors for any greasing.

  • flyonthewall

    “Commanding Officer Mike Rinder”? ASC has ranks and a military now? Jesus, I lighten up on commenting for a week during my staycation and you guys go and raise an army. Cool

    • flyonthewall

      Oh I missed the “Former OSA Int” part. Ok that makes sense now

      • Jimmy3

        You know that scene in Full Metal Jacket where they get Gomer some fresh linen and clean soap?

        • flyonthewall

          Yes. That was the most touching part of the whole movie bc they took pity on poor Gomer after the drill sargeant was so mean to him and so they chipped in to buy him toiletries.

          • Jimmy3

            Yes, they sure did. It’s the little gifts like toiletries and fresh pillow casings that can hit you so hard, emotionally.

            • ze moo

              Ermy’s drill sargent is one of the great improves in any movie.

            • April

              Yes! He ad-libbed much of the dialogue when he was berating the soldiers.

            • Robert Eckert

              He was originally brought in as just a consultant, and didn’t think either the script or any of the actors they were auditioning for the role were adequately portraying a real drill sergeant, so Kubrick gave him the role and turned him loose.

            • Frodis73

              Kubrick is such a fascinating guy and I love all the stories like the one above from various shoots. I wouldn’t want to work for him though, I’d probably bitch slap him.

          • April

            I’m glad that Gomer and the drill sergeant worked out their differences by the middle of the movie. (Full disclosure: FMJ is one of my favorite movies)

        • stillgrace2

          Hey Jimmy, I have to ask you a question. I was reading downthread and I saw that someone mentioned that Miss Tia’s sick dog that needed an operation was a scam.
          Is that true?
          Sorry to put you on the spot, but I need to know. I don’t usually get taken by scams, but maybe I did? Thanks.

          • Jimmy3

            That’s what I heard from people I consider to be reliable. Did you ever hear from her about the dog? An update?

            • stillgrace2

              No, I never heard an update. But I was really busy during that time and I could have missed it, FTR- I believed the appeal for help was real, I love animals and actively support rescue operations in my area. At the time I thought- why not help a dog that belongs to someone I “know”. Oh well.

            • Jimmy3

              And that only speaks to you being a genuinely compassionate person. And this may not have been intended to be a scam. Maybe she had legit intentions, and they fell through, but she still kept the money for other shit she needed. Who knows with Tia? But from all we do know, she took money for one thing and never followed up, never thanked people or gave them updates on what their money went to, and she left the blog shortly after. She hopped on to a convenient excuse to stop posting here: THE ALMIGHTY ASC CULTED ME!

              If it wasn’t a scam, please come here and explain why I’m wrong, Miss Tia. I’d come and ask you on your forums of choice, but they don’t let me speak freely there.

            • Frodis73

              I’d like an explanation too. She killed all her emails, blocked us on twitter and may have even changed her phone number. Like Jimmy, I am prevented from speaking freely over there also.

            • Nat-leficent

              You guys are brave. The idea of pissing Tia off scares me XD

            • Frodis73

              Lol, and I would bet my last buck that you are one of the people that knows some or all of the other stuff too.

            • Nat-leficent

              Miss Tia never hurt me personally but I can understand why a select few have reasons to be hurt and frustrated by her.

            • Jimmy3

              What is she gonna do? What do you think will happen? She lives about… ohhhh
              oh shit

              But all kidding aside, I don’t think she scammed anyone. Probably a big misunderstanding. These things sort themselves out.

            • Nat-leficent

              Lololol. I love you.

            • Jimmy3

              I love Goodyear
              My choice of blimp and tire. I love them. Rubber.

            • Nat-leficent

              XD

            • Frodis73

              She likes cyber warfare J3, so the fact that we are less than an hour away doesn’t matter…but you’re right, it was just a horrible misunderstanding.

            • Jimmy3

              Does Canada have cyber?

            • Frodis73

              You and Nat are killing me. I so needed to laugh too.

            • Nat-leficent

              Yes, but it is polite and clean unlike ours XD

            • Nat-leficent
            • stillgrace2

              I hope her dog is healthy and OK.
              “Worth it!” – Carrie Fisher

            • Jimmy3

              This isn’t a new revelation. :/ If it were untrue, it has been brought up, and she has only avoided it, long before the first HowdyCon. The HowdyCon she championed and soon dropped out of. Because she would’ve been confronted in person. Not by me. I didn’t give her any money.

              But, again, if any of this is untrue, come here and tell us why, Tia.

          • Frodis73

            Nobody has flat out proof, but she never produced a bill, or pics of dogs surgery or anything. The minute she was confronted over it, she flipped her shit and rage quit and hates us all now. I am so glad to see this being discussed here. A few of us talked about this, but have been keeping quiet. She has a vindictive streak it seems…she seems to enjoy fucking with people.

            • Chee Chalker

              So that is what happened? I thought she flipped out over the pressures of Howdy Con I.
              I was always uncomfortable with her Scientology-like use of vulgarity and her vengeance against her mother.

              Any adult who uses the word ‘f-tard’ has serious mental issues.

            • Frodis73

              That is what I thought at first too…but then a little bird sent me some crumbs to follow. That whole story with her family bothered me too btw. I’m not even going to touch that mess.

    • I’m afraid I now have to execute each and every command you give me.

      Damn. That sucks

    • Chee Chalker

      I think we’d better get Bruno the Min Pin fitted for a sweater with epulattes.

      • stillgrace2

        I salute your idea!

    • Newiga

      We made you the Commanding Lego Master.

    • Sargent – put that man on a charge – speaking in the ranks.

  • Noesis

    The Scientology playbook of “investigating” public officials or others that will not automatically comply with whatever it is that senior church leadership wants is indicative of how the church lacks a good faith operational basis. There is very little effort to dispassionately cooperate with others.

    The OSA controlled front groups are little more than the disguise the church wears to disarm uninformed members of the public – tricking them into letting the rabid dog into their community before the realization that a dangerous animal is afoot.

    The assumption of one’s own perfection, while assigning nothing but evil intent to those that have different opinions on matters of public policy – is the opposite of civilization.

    It’s a tribal behavior pattern where sleight – of – hand, superstition, emotion and vengeance are the dominant motives for action. There is no thought of the greater goodwill for society – and assertions of such are merely used to trick others into letting down their guard – so that Scientology’s lead pipe is easier to swing from up close onto the heads of the unsuspecting.

  • flyonthewall

    the bail money was returned and with interest? Wtf is that? Once you skip bail I’d think that would be that and you lose your money regardless of what happens with the charges.

    • GrangerFX

      They were more afraid of the bail hunters than the government, so they skipped bail and paid off the bond so no one would come looking for him. Read “with interest” as “with bribe”.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    I’d say that governments and the media are a lot more $cientology savvy in 2017 versus 1988; still, who knows how this will turn out?

    • April

      I’m guessing that it will turn out badly for the CO$.

  • Scientology’s slander site is falling behind on the 12 days of Marty.

    Six Eight Shocking Videos Expose the Fraud
    Behind the Bigoted, Hate-filled Program”

  • DoveAlexa

    I like to pretend they keep enforcers like Humberto Fontana encased in torpedos and literally fire them at a city they don’t like. ‘He’s your problem now, mwahahaha!’

  • I’m not sure that Scientology OSA operations would even move the needle on the gauge of “playing dirty” that government officials in Mexico have had to face from criminals in the past. Drug lords basically don’t investigate judges and try and dig up salacious details of their private lives to blackmail them. Nope, drug lords just kill them outright. And the government tends to respond with fairly unambiguous action to any bad acts taken towards judges.

    So I am going to suspect that if the government sees non-local “spies” coming in to try to intimidate judges, it could be made to blow up fairly badly, if the government is aware of them. In the wake of all those disparaging remarks about Mexican culture from Donald Trump, I’m sure the average hombre in the street is not going to be thrilled that an American cult is sending people down to monkey with the Mexican government. So the key is awareness of the potential for a plot.

    ¿Habla español, alguien?

    • ze moo

      I would be certain that Mexican authorities have received emails and links to Humberto. His attempts to safe point will not be safe.

    • Noesis

      Indeed.

      In some areas of the world, treachery is a two way street, with those in positions of official power just as likely to employ illegal nastiness as those who seek to employ it against the officials.

      It would be curious to see how many OSA (or older GO) minions were “fired on a mission” into a location from which they never returned and were never heard from again.

      Sort of like the CIA Memorial Wall, but without even the pretense of honorable intentions behind the actions of those listed.

  • Chee Chalker

    I wonder when this book will be published:

    “Accordingly, I have pulled from the pending (indefinitely) basket my in-progress manuscript of the follow-up book to Memoirs. Its working title is Scientology Armageddon. It provides an insider history of Scientology’s second, and apparent, last generation. It is now back on the production line scheduled for 2014 completion and publication. Among other topics it will chronicle in detail:

    – How David Miscavige’s psycho-sexual obsession with celebrity and the world’s biggest star dictated the destiny of Scientology’s second generation. Including the full stories of Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Greta Van Susteren, et al. That is made possible and necessary by Miscavige changing the rules to ‘no rules’.

    – The complete story of Scientology Inc’s efforts to capture the minds of Michael Jackson, Steven Spielberg, Bono and David Beckham – including meddling so as to engineer match ups and splits between marriage partners.

    – How the world’s most powerful talent/entertainment agency (Creative Artists Agency) was covertly converted into a Scientology censorship vehicle. How it has intimidated and bribed major television networks at the direction of David Miscavige.

    – How Miscavige fraudulently transferred the trademarks and copyrights of Scientology from Hubbard to corporations he secretly and illicitly controlled – and why that makes enforcement of intellectual property rights in Scientology material impossible.

    – How David Miscavige attempted to sell out Scientology to Big Pharma (Pharmaceutical companies) while continuing to bilk adherents of hundreds of millions by positioning himself as the nemesis of Big Pharma.

    – How Miscavige defrauded the United States government, and all American taxpayers, to obtain tax exempt status for Scientology and why subsequent history requires that exemption be rescinded.

    – How Miscavige caused and then attempted to cover up the death of Lisa McPherson at a cost of tens of millions of dollars.

    – The moral and cognitive breakdown that resulted in Miscavige’s near replay of Waco and/or Jonestown at Scientology headquarters. How that re-play was prevented by whistleblowers. And why that has resulted in Miscavige choosing the situs of the writing of this very book as ground zero for Scientology’s Armageddon.”

    • KKat

      Maybe M sent the draft manuscript to DM, and got a settlement, with stipulations.

      • Kestrel

        I could see that happening.

    • Noesis

      Lol.

      Maybe this will all be covered in Marty’s upcoming videos?

    • Frodis73

      I am going make a guess of on the first of…never.

      • Chee Chalker

        In rue time….

    • Kestrel

      That would have been something had he finished it before destroying his credibility.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Sounds like something that I’d definitely be interested in reading. That’s a nicely written synopsis of the majors topics to be covered in the proposed book project…that the cult’s paying him NOT to write!

      Since he’s not going to use that great book title, “Scientology’s Armageddon.” I’m just going to go ahead and assume that it’s back in the public domain where someone else can put it to good use!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Link?

  • Observer
    • flyonthewall

      how come every pic with Marc in the background has him looking funny?

      • Observer

        Refresh and read my ETA

      • Fly Lady

        says mr. “i can’t keep my eyes open in a picture”…

    • Chee Chalker

      And Claire is tiny and gorgeous and after 3 kids that is just not fair!

      • Frodis73

        IKR? I have had no children yet she spits out three and has a banging body. Sigh. Genetics man.

        • Observer

          Amen, sister!

      • Robert Eckert

        She said at the end of her presentation that she and Marc have been married for 25 years, which is slightly more than I would have guessed for her age.

        • Got married very young while in.

          • balletlady

            And still together through it all…..many marriages fail with a lot less pressure than what Claire & Marc had….three beautiful children & they are so happy…..

        • Chee Chalker

          Ikr?! I’m very jelly

        • MarcabExpat

          She must have been married at 5, then.

          • Observer

            I think she said they got married when she was 17 and Marc was 19.

            • MarcabExpat

              Yeah I knew they were teens, but still NO WAY. Folks who meet them and see their young children could be completely forgiven for estimating their ages way, WAY off. Good for them 🙂

          • Robert Eckert

            At most!

      • balletlady

        Just adore Claire & Marc…..to see her heart break at a more or less forced abortion….that memory she spoke of will stay with me forever. A choice is ONE thing…to more or less be EXPECTED to do so….unacceptable.

    • Liberated

      Forgive me, but could you tell me who the two guys are Claire is talking to in pic 2 ?

      • Observer

        I’m not sure if they want to be identified, so I’ll leave it to them to identify themselves.

      • Robert Eckert

        left is Kestrel, right is Bob the partner of Artoo45

    • Jimmy3

      This is good. I can tell the exact conversations from this photo.

      Marc: “…SO I WAS ABOUT TO POUNCE LIKE THE VELOCIRAPTOR I AM, RIGHT…”

      Claire: “Hey, how are you? I’m… Mrs. Raptor, I guess? Nice to meet you.”

      • Observer

        Somehow we ended up with their wiener dog…

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Somehow, you caught me with my tongue doing something very odd.

      • Observer

        You were just smiling. It was darkish and I was using a very high ISO, so your teeth appear off-color.

    • redfisch

      Obs, that last shot, of the water lilies, is going to be my Screensaver. Love it!

  • This has likely been posted but it was great to see this cover in Kroger this morning and The cashiers all laughed when I told them that I went to an anti-Scientology convention. The first question they all asked is how can they go? Three of the four said they can’t wait for Leah’s second season. The evil David Miscavage can’t even Sue and no media hears him now as word spreads they are without teeth and that they will gladly be more likely to pay money if anyone dares sue to speak up to tell their story. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa7fe6755023a5452b7f81bc7059e9936d59c56e141a293bbb8cd365c99cd27f.jpg

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      The cult’s toxic reputation continues to worsen!

      • Glen

        I think you are right but I don’t think an National Enquirer headline has anything to do with it.

    • Noesis

      Well…finally…the responsible and fully trusted media are paying attention to Scientology.

      Good thing such reporting is no longer limited to the unreliable fringes of the internet.

      Lol.

        • Noesis

          Well then…I feel better now.

          There are photographs and everything!

          Lol.

        • Mark Fulton

          I can see DM sending more souls to the hole or the RPF!

        • Harpoona Frittata

          The Enquirer and the cult’s disinformation/propaganda machine are completely on a par!

          What’s next? Will we find out that $cn has the real dirt on Harvey L., which will finally explain this star-chasing show’s hands-off policy with respect to the cult and all of that juicy Hollywood $cn celeb paydirt they could be mining?

        • redfisch

          You bought the magazine! A win for the trusted media. ;-D
          What did they call the scandal rags in “Men in Black”? The advance sheets! (Proof of alien life on earth, no extra charge.)

          • I took the pic of the cover in Kroger and then when several of the cashiers acknowledged they were awaiting Aftermath Season 2, opened one up on the conveyor food belt. I will acknowledge that during the OJ trial, the National Enquirer was unfortunately the best source of accurate info since the national media were afraid to follow the evidence and state that OJ likely killed both people regardless of what the defense stated. Last

      • PeaceMaker

        Actually, I think media like that are probably reaching demographics important to the CofS. Even people who wouldn’t buy the magazines, will see the titles when they go shopping at the supermarket. It increases awareness of Scientology’s unsavory reputation – and it’s even got to make some members wonder what’s going on, at least that their leadership can’t handle the bad press or get SuMP going to put out their own story.

        • Noesis

          Perhaps so.

          It’s sort of like using Hubbard’s PR tech about “ethnics.”

          In this case, targeting ignorant people by filling their preferred media with ignorant nonsense.

          Makes sense.

      • mark

        More than one story was broken by National Enq, and later picked up by mainstream media.

        I am still waiting for NYT to run the alien baby story.

        • Noesis

          Yes.

          Here’s a quick photo recap of some of the stories recently “broken” by the National Enquirer. Focusing on just the main headline of the four covers below, I’m pretty sure that

          1)The Obamas are not divorcing

          2) Prince did not die of AIDS

          3) Jay Z and Beyonce did not divorce

          4) Hillary does not have brain cancer.

          It is true that at some future date numbers 1, 3 and 4 above could still happen, in which case the statistical accuracy for National Enquirer lead articles will rise from .0005 to .0006…which if you think about it…is an almost 20% improvement!

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/83f23c10695f100cb6030ac8c3b15bd02b06e29eabfef4509ce6d74f6e77d361.jpg

    • Chee Chalker

      As an aside……that has always been my theory as to why Nicole Kidman has kept quiet all these years. Maybe the adoption was not exactly by the books and she was afraid of being exposed.
      My guess is that both TC and NK initially may not have known the details of how the kids came to them.
      The Co$ could have presented the kids as needing a home and the truth may have been much different (people forced to give up their kids (giving Big Being #3 your children is for the greater good)).
      It’s part of my theory on Mental Marty too, but with a different twist.

      • Snippy_X

        Wow, scathing. Who are the 7 other MEGASTARS?
        Dirt-poor moms + Scientology = SeaOrg girls?

      • mark

        interesting thought on MR. I wonder how his adoption was timed relative to his change back to DM.

        • Chee Chalker

          My theory focuses on how they were able to adopt in the first place.

          I think everyone knows how difficult it is to adopt a young child/infant. The wait lists are years long.

          So how does an older couple (sorry for that generalization, but it is a factor when adopting young children) in the midst of a battle with a cult, not to mention the dead agents packs I’m sure the Co$ sent every adoption agency in Texas…..how does that couple adopt?

          So does the Co$ create an elaborate plan to arrange an adoption and then be in a position to threaten it?
          Hey, stranger things have happened.

          At the time I was happy for the Rathbuns (still am – a child may be the only thing that brings Marty into reality/normal life) but I did wonder whether it was wise to bring a child into the mess that was the Squirrel Busters. And I know that was one reason the Rathbuns filed suit (so they could raise a child in peace).

          IMO Marty had always minimized his past evil actions. Like when he claimed he never authorized any actions that impacted people’s children, seemingly forgetting his role in alienating the Cruise children against their mother.
          Maybe Marty did not deal directly with the children, but he has acknowledged he ran operations against Nicole Kidman. So, in effect, he helped to rip apart that family and the mother- child relationship.

          The mother- child relationship he now snickers and sneers about when talking about Karen and Alexander Jesntsch.

          Disgusting.

          • mark

            Adoption of any sort takes time, I agree. But long waiting lists for any infant adoption is not correct. That would only apply in the US to adopting a Caucasian US born infant. Adopting a minority infant is an easier task by comparison. Foreign adoptions of white infants can also be done.

            That said there is a lot of scrutiny of the adoptive parents, including how long they have been together, finances, and many other factors. Any legal adoption follows similar patterns to assure the best possible placement for the child. I don’t know the circumstances of the Rathbun adoption, but i would hope it was all above-board. If the suit was filed after the adoption was initiated then it would be unlikely that anything inappropriate took place. on the surface, the article did make me wonder.

            • Chee Chalker

              The waiting list for adoption of non Caucasian children is very long as well.
              As far as foreign adoptions, I have a several friends (2 close) who have adopted children from Russia and Africa, China and Guatemala.
              Even going abroad, the process can take years. And is crazy expensive.

              The theory I listed above is my crazy ‘Alex Jones’ type theory. What may be more likely is the Co$ threatened to reveal some past action of Marty’s that he failed to disclose during the adoption process that would jeopardize even a finalized adoption.

              People think that once an adoption is final, it’s final. Unfortunately that
              is not true.
              Obviously each state has its own rules and I have zero idea of what the process is in Texas.
              But (for example) here in Illinois we had a fairly infamous case where a child was returned to his biological father even though he had been with his adoptive family for years (6 or 7 IIRC).
              I believe the adoption had been finalized in that case (it’s been at least 20 years so I’d have to go back and review the details).
              The biological father prevailed in the end because he was able to prove he never gave his consent.
              The adoptive family had hoped the court would say ‘it would be too traumatic to return the child after so many years’ and there were allegations that the adoptive family delayed the decision by filing motion after motion, hoping that after a period of time the court would say it’s in the best interest of the child to stay with the only family he had known.
              Anyway, long story, but my point is my theory is that somehow the Co$ managed to threaten the stability of the family.
              It’s either that or insanity. Marty directly contradicts himself so many times, he can’t honestly think he is telling the truth.
              In the end, it doesn’t really matter why Marty did what he did.
              It’s so patently transparent who is he ‘working’ for. I think he has opened up a can of worms for himself and
              his family however.
              He’ll never be able to give an interview to an independent news source because it will be so easy to prove his lies.
              And he’s the one who has to live with himself. Once the dust has settled and Marty is no longer the big man on any campus (the Co$ or the ASC) what then? Can Marty be happy living a life as an ‘island’? Maybe he’s never heard that no man is an island.
              I’m at the point where all I feel for Marty is pity. He’s another victim of LRH and COB. The really sad thing is he dragged two innocent people into being victims as well.

    • ze moo

      So Donald Trump approved the ‘Baby Farm’?

    • Incontinental Breakfast

      The front page National Enquirer assault on scientology is very problematic for the church for a number of reasons. For one, how do you wage a smear campaign against The National Enquirer???

      • ze moo

        If you wrestle with pigs, you will be covered in mud. Or pig shit or something like that.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Mark Ebner, said there are bits of truth in The Enquirer. They have as many lawyers as the $cion’s.

    • ExCult.Jan
  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Saturday, 15th August? This invitation must be for OTs only.

    • MarcabExpat

      *snerk* nice catch 🙂

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I think SuMP should already broadcast SOMETHING now and then. After all it was announced that broadcasting would start summer and a bit of testing and trials could be useful.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3XTj5G_SA&list=LLalFrFxLOarw4pLrdxPdCkg&index=2

    • Andrew Robertson

      “There’s been a misunderstanding, or ‘Fake News’ as we in the dissemination business call it” said a SuMP spokesman.

      “Summer refers to that season in the southern hemisphere which will not occur until November. This is to coincide with the next phase of global expansion which will Clear those benighted countries at the bottom of the world which are crying out for the spiritual freedom and salvation that only Scientology can bring.”

      Andrew

      • Draco

        No we’re not! We are quite happy with the state of oblivion that scientology is sinking into down here in the nether regions of the world.
        And our days are already getting longer so he won’t make it in time for our solstice either.
        Maybe he should give himself a more realistic target – like 10 years. Yep. That’s what he should do.

  • nottrue
    • Observer

      I nominate Dee for the title of ASC Warrior.

      • Newiga

        I support this nomination!

      • ze moo

        With Cup Cake Clusters!

    • Mark Fulton

      Well done, Dee.

    • Noesis

      You better be careful or Marty is going to make a video about you.

      After all, he “was there,”…and none of that bad Scientology stuff ever happened.

      Marty said so right on tape.

      It must be true, because he was wearing a fake polyester naval uniform when he “was there,” thus the gravitas of his observation is beyond question.

  • Ching-wah TSAO duh liou mahng!

    California changed their online registry of rehabs to a completely different system! The old one was pretty slick, and the new one looks almost as stupid as the yearly PDF they originally used.

    https://data.chhs.ca.gov/dataset/dhcs-licensed-residential-facilities-and-or-certified-alcohol-and-drug-programs

    • ze moo

      E-government was built for obfuscation.

    • Noesis

      A state that has a legislature that seriously proposed mandating a single payer health care program that was estimated to cost taxpayers an additional $330 to $400 billion a year, is probably not a place where one would expect much serious credibility on their current drug rehab registry.

      To put the above single payer healthcare program cost into perspective, the total amount of ALL already existing taxpayer funded State of CA expenditures last year was approximately $265 billion.

      So adding another $400 billion on top of that should not be a problem, right?

      We just have to make sure that certain people “pay their fair share” of taxes.

      Lol.

      Below is a recent investigative journalism article about the current drug rehab situation in Southern California showing the misery (and futility) of much of what is currently happening:

      http://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/21/how-some-southern-california-drug-rehab-centers-exploit-addiction/

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    No al megaproyecto de “Las Palmas”. NO.
    No a ‘Eglesia’ de Scientology. NO.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzQET7qwXJE

  • OT for anyone interested in the current status of Dutch COS and front groups I did a WWP post to put it all together.

    Every year the 1st of July tax exempt organisations have to publish their financial records. Not all the cos fronts have done so for 2016. Authorities and a few of the fronts have been alerted.

    More info if you read the whole thread.

    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/dutch-tax-exemption-revoked-bonus-announcements.103913/page-10#post-2611988

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Very sorry for your loss. She was too young.

  • ComeToPresentTime

    I’m still convinced that “Karin Pouw” doesn’t exist, like John Barron.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I think she’s in a hole.

      • Puget Buckeye

        Well, I hope there’s a good explanation. She never calls Tony back. I feel bad for him. 🙂

        • Draco

          IKR? He sounds so hopeful every time!

          • Newiga

            😀

    • Draco

      She exists – she just doesn’t do the job she is supposed to be doing.

    • flyonthewall

      Tony’s had lunch with her before

      • Jeb Burton

        That was DM in drag.

    • Pia Pill

      Uhm … who is Karen Pouw?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Karen Pouw is the official spokesperson for scientology, but has not been seen in person for several years and now does not even write anything. Sent to the RPF or the Hole? No one knows.

        • Pia Pill

          Thanks! Appreciate the info …. my head is swimming with all the names and at first I thought that the “ding-a-ling person” (the woman lawyer that CAN NOT STOP BLINKING which at first I thought she was trying to do some morse code encryption reveal on the sly because she was being held captive…. 😆)!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I love the notion that Monique Yinglng (a lawyer who is NOT a scientologist) was blinking in morse code because she was being held captive!

            • Kaarli Makela

              It’s her Catholic guilt that makes her blink … a dead give-away for lies … if I was a very guilty client … I’d have fired her for that!
              Again, I speculate …

            • Pia Pill

              Honestly, it was so DISTURBING to watch, I was thinking, “What the hell?” I have NEVER SEEN A PERSON BLINK THAT MUCH in 10 seconds, let alone for a long period if time …. she could probably be in Ripley’s (is that the book that lists all those “odd” records?)!

        • Kaarli Makela

          As a never-in, it always seemed like Spokesperson was like the RPFs RPFs RPF!

  • Sci-Fi

    Scientology is providing a lot of suspension lately. What with Marty Rathbun’s turnaround and the Luis Garcia trial, not to mention The Freewinds and the downtown Clearwater situation.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Behind the scenes Humberto Fontana was running a program to investigate public officials including District Court Judge Jose Maria Vazquez Honrubia and member of the Spanish Parliament Pilar Salarullana. He was caught and arrested in possession of dossiers on the two containing confidential information.

    False.

    Never happened.

    We in RTC were there and had ordered an end to all of such activities. This was a CIA set up. The man actually arrested by incompetent Spanish officials was television’s Phil Donahue who resembles Heber. Reporters never checked with us because they were committed to their false narrative of “Scientologists arrested.” This was all about haters trolling Scientology. The Chur… the Church never did these things.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c673994516472734f2657e3394d3b88e7c290d702ede79b4f1f78910f82855e.jpg

    • beauty for ashes

      Wow, just look at this clip, I bet you are right. I didn’t even listen to what they are saying but they look so much alike!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTbwsEknjI0

      • GfldedKim

        I miss Phil. And yikes they do look alike.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Fleet Admiral Rathbun on Fake News

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/sea-org-13.png?w=502&h=730

    “So get this bit of cute fake news the media uses to troll Scientology: Sure, the Guardian’s Office decapitated
    a few dozen people 35 years ago but that’s old news. I purged the GO. I should know because I was there and I was in charge.

    “But then the media is like ‘OMG! Scientology decapitated hundreds of people!’ But it was only a few dozen people and it’s old news. Old news.

    “And when I came aboard, I put an end to the GO decapitations, hangings, arson, stabbings, burglaries, drownings, and so forth, but the media still acts like the Church of Scientology does it.

    “What I told that wog journalist was that Scientology can ‘potentially’ decapitate, hang, set fire to, or drown SP’s if we wanted to, but we don’t these things anymore. It’s just that we ‘potentially’ can do these things except I ordered an end to it — except for sometimes when an SP really needs to be decapitated. But then the media claimed it actually still happens. They published it just troll Scientology. False. Never happened. I was there.”

  • J. Swift

    Shoop removed. Thanks for the correction PeaceMaker. All the videos are real. As you said, someone shooped Marty into a lineup of real videos.

    • J. Swift

      Marty has been given Scientology’s version of ECT. It was like watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Whoever Marty was, he is no longer that person after Scientology got done with him:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1jgZdtA-NM

    • Science Doc

      Sixty years old. Negligible education. Vast majority of his adult life either in Church of Scientology or indie Scientology groups. Spent most of his life modeling LRH and sometimes David Miscavige. Lives in a part of Texas that probably has a very modest economy. Probably not the best match for a lot of jobs working with the public. No pension or Social Security benefits to look forward to. But the bills keep coming in the mail every month. What’s a genius, spiritual, tough guy supposed to do?

      • Nat-leficent

        What convinces people like him that they are geniuses? He definitely comports himself like he believes he’s one.

        • Observer

          The Dunning Kruger Effect?

        • Science Doc

          He’s met some very smart people, journalists and filmmakers, in the context of him being the authority or expert on Scientology. He has committed the not very original sin of believing that expertise in one very narrow and obscure area implies general expertise. He has also erroneously inferred that, because these people came to him for his knowledge as a fact witness, he is somehow smarter than them.

          • Nat-leficent

            That makes sense.

        • beauty for ashes

          tee hee hee! Nat said comports!!!!

        • MrsShark

          He and HRH Miscavidge have convinced themselves they are geniuses not unlike LRH. But deep down even LRH was aware of his own madness and lies. Deep down DMs self esteem is low, he knows it’s all fake- the worship that is. They are selfish sociopaths who know their lives on earth – as with all of us – will be up at some point and figure they may as well live comfortably as they can by living off blood money. If Marty believes there are no consequences, karma or whatever you want to call it, and he can live the rest of his life rolling in $cion dough by telling lies about other people, then I have a bridge of another kind to sell him.

        • Pia Pill

          Personality disorder? This is the root reason why LRH and others so strongly hold the belief that Mental Health professionals are to be avoided at all costs …. this is because then they would have been identified as the “mental giants” that they are not and left with a diagnosis that is essentially not treatable! I will get off my soapbox now, my knees hurt … 😊

          Oooops; P.S. Naturally this is in my opinion only ….

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        His plan of establishing a “retreat” for exes who still believe in the tech, tanked.
        That was probably the best of his schemes, as far as establishing some financial security goes.

      • MrsShark

        Yes the “Scientology Warrior”! He still has his book for sale listed under his crazy videos. I never read it (and won’t buy it) but it was put out at a time when he wasn’t in bed with Co$. Just bc he left Co$, there are other options other than dishonest and immoral ones. He could have survived another way.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        She’s got a good job if she isn’t packing already.

        • Kaarli Makela

          Yeah, I wonder about that … she must be fed up! I speculate, I would be!

    • PeaceMaker

      That’s a shoop, and a crude one at that, though I fell for it at first glance late last night when it was posted on yesterday’s article. The Troublemakers thumbnail has been pasted in from somewhere else, out of alignment, and with an artifact on the left.

      It originally comes from the Scientology YouTube channel The Truth Network (thanks to MM for that information). Note that all the videos there are at least 2 weeks old, and follow the YouTube default of being sorted by age, while the Rathbun one that’s been pasted over is tagged as 1 day old.

      This is a reminder to be a little more careful in evaluating evidence that appears to confirm our theories – and that presumably sarcastic messing around, runs the risk of being taken wrong, and playing into the propaganda line of Rathbun and OSA who want to portray The Bunker as an unreliable source.

      This was originally posted by a commenter going by Outraged, who I don’t immediately recognize – does anyone know who they are, or why they did this?

    • Newiga

      Leah Remini’s former minister’s wife, eh? I hope they interviewed Leah’s former housekeeper’s cat’s grandma’s best friend too.. I bet she’s got stories to tell.

      • Kaarli Makela

        lol!!!

    • mockingbird

      Important question: If Marty Rathbun was making and posting his videos himself could Scientology put them on their site without his permission or could he sue?

    • mockingbird

      It is worth noting that these videos are barely getting any views.

  • nottrue
    • Harpoona Frittata

      …and now, in horrific irony, those “extraordinary efforts to keep the truth hidden” include his own.

      In this most recent part 12 of the Mutty the Evil Muppet series, you can really hear lil davey’s vile and sadistic voice coming out of Mutty’s mouth most clearly when he’s trivializing and giggling about the death of Karen’s son, and in his discussion of Ron Sr..

      The final approval of the poorly learned script that Mutty’s been stammering through couldn’t be anyone but lil davey…that is, if he didn’t write it himself!

      Proof positive, imo, that Mutty is cult-owned and operated, at least with regard to this series.

  • Elegant Mess

    Ugh! So, I finally broke and visited that “other guy’s” blog. 34 videos? I got bored just counting them. I won’t even go into the crazy that is the comments section there…

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Quitting

    Found the door to the church basement.
    It was down 5 or 6 battered stone steps, off the alleyway, round the side.
    A couple of coffee tins, filled with cigarette butts, by the green door.
    More butts littering the ground.
    I pushed in the door, a small hastily written sign saying ” UBA 7:30 tonite”
    in red marker letting me know I was at the right place.
    Down the hall I heard voices.
    A small room, fluorescent lights, an assortment of beaten-up chairs in a half-hearted
    attempt at a circle and a few of them occupied by no less battered denizens of the
    fringes of the Interwebz.
    I nervously picked a spot, not too close to anyone, sat down.
    Avoided eye-contact.
    After about 5-10 minutes, a middle-aged woman, with a friendly if somewhat dishevelled
    look to her, began to speak.

    “I’ll start,” she said.
    “Hi, I’m Susan.
    Welcome to UBA.
    I’m a never-in.
    I’ve been a Bunker addict for a few years now.
    It started with the Voice, once in a while.
    Then everyday.
    First it was just the articles. Then the lurking.
    Then I started commenting.
    Not hard-core, just once in a while.
    But it gets to you – before you know where you are,
    you have to read ALL of it.
    And the people, the chat, the trolls, the shoops .. oh God .. the shoops
    And then there was the Red-Xing and of course the books and the videos.
    And sock-fights and music.
    And then the rabbit-holes.
    It’s a bloody warren.
    Suddenly, it’s 4 in the morning in Australia …
    I’ve been sober for 3 days now.
    Haven’t touched my phone.
    Stayed away, no, really, I have.
    But I really really wanted to go to HowdyCon.
    I mean, really .. A craving, you know ..
    Just jonesing for it.
    Ever since Going Clear, it’s been tough ..
    Now, with Aftermath 2 coming …”

    After Susan, there was Peter (an ex who sounded like he was in a manic phase,
    100 posts a day, THAT’S a heavy habit.)
    Then, Joanie and Charles, Guillaume and Gilberto and a handsome haunted-looking man
    – Arkady, I think, then there was a Baby Somebody and ..
    One after another, tales of addiction and of a mere 3 hours of sleep, of
    extreme states accompanied by tears and laughter and caek and cats …
    Lots of cats.

    There was a break for popcorn.
    Someone from Louisiana was handling the drinks.

    It was MY turn.
    “I , I er …”
    I muttered ” I’m Panopea and …..”
    and I leaped up and fled., heart pounding
    as I stumbled out of the room, out into the night air.

    I must not be ready to deal with my addiction. But it comforts me to know
    that Underground Bunkarues Anonymous is there whenever I am ready to face it.
    For now I am resigned to my fate,
    especially with NOLA at the bar,
    Texas making pies in the kitchen and Dodo’s heavy metal full blast ….
    It will be a fête, würst, then deaf.

    ====================================================
    Actually, I have to leave you all.
    Time for this family to go where there is no wi-fi or Starbucks or Marty.
    No Flake News.
    No misogynistic Tweets from a sociopathic narcissist.

    Time to sit by the fire with mosquito nets on, waiting for the kettle to boil,
    and look at the stars.
    There won’t be any fireworks nor any need for them.

    Back in a few weeks.
    I do have to take care of reporting on those Missions in California,
    to complete my Tour de l’Amerique.

    Peace out,
    xxx
    P.A.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/448543bb547088ca9554ae74c483a29f41a57d054c70eac086d36adcd5ffcd4c.jpg

    • Observer

      Have a wonderful time, and I look forward to seeing pics!

    • TexasBroad

      Peace to you and yours. Happy travels…soak it up and enjoy!

    • beauty for ashes

      <3 <3 <3 I imagine everyone decorated with flower garlands, and magical looking campsites in your future!

    • Pia Pill

      Very beautiful indeed! Is that Austrailia?? My Dad told me one time he had the opportunity to work in Australia but Mom didn’t want to leave the States or her family! I think I get my adventurous side from my Dad. Told him I think I really would have enjoyed Australia. … he replied, “Uhm … you were NOT born yet.” 😂😂😂😂😂

    • salin

      Safe and serene travels and precious family time!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Have fun camping with the family, Pan!

    • Puget Buckeye

      Have fun Pan. We’ll keep the home fires burning.

    • MarcabExpat

      Love this, and I want to see Tony’s UBA speech. “OK, I guess I should start,” he’ll say, and then… oh boy.

    • Sherbet

      I’ll miss you, Pano.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Enjoy your vaca Pan!

    • Baby

      Take me with you.. I don’t eat much.. errrrr yes I do.. I’ll stay here and hold the fort down for you Pan..

      You are giving your boys a childhood that every child should have..WOW

    • chukicita

      Safe travels, Pan! Remember, the sun always shines on the Bunker. Looking forward to tales of travels!

    • Kaarli Makela

      I’m sympatico with ALL of that!

  • nottrue
  • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

    Someone who speaks Spanish should write the officials and warn them what to expect. Once you know their simple tactical toolbox, they’re quite predictable.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • J. Swift

      Marty is Dave’s bitch.

      Marty had 27 years of experience of being Dave’s bitch so it’s not like this is unfamiliar. Of course, the bitch pay is so much better for Marty these days.

    • daisy

      He looks like a paper .mache doll covered in layers of shellac and then more shiny shellac . Not the nice ventrloquists doll and evil one sitiing in the rocking chair of your room scaring the living shit of you. He invented * Mommmmmy I HAVE A MONTER IN MY ROOM !!!!!! Marty he is just the one who has been tossed in the the machine so much there is barely anything there.

      • NerdHerd

        It kinda looks like Marty and Dave have the same makeup artist

    • George Layton

      OMG! I just realized Marty is jealous of little dave’s hair!

  • Orglodyte

    Heh. Little do the neighbors know that the presence of a big Scientology org will likely reduce the amount of traffic in the area.

  • mockingbird

    Important question: If Marty Rathbun was making and posting his videos himself could Scientology put them on their site without his permission or could he sue ? Reposted from below.

    • If someone makes a video and it is then “stolen” and posted elsewhere without the creator/owner’s approval or permission, a simple request to take it down would be the first step.

      More info here:
      http://www.dmca.com
      http://www.dmca.com/FAQ/What-is-a-DMCA-Takedown

    • PeaceMaker

      Realistically, what would he do – find a lawyer to take his case on contingency, given his history? Scientology could be putting them up to suit themselves, and basically daring Rathbun to do anything about it.

      This is one of those things that I don’t think can be read for meaning.

      Plus, if the videos are what they are stated to be in the introduction, it’s not immediately clear who, if anyone, would actually be able to claim ownership rights.

      Also, Scientology’s Aftermath smear site still hasn’t caught up to posting the last 4 Rathbun videos, after erratically posting the first 6 as a group, and then later adding the two after that. That doesn’t suggest the high level of coordination that some of the theories about the matter claim is at work.

    • George Layton

      Maybe he made a deal with them to use their equipment be he also got to use them on his blog.

    • Noesis

      Marty’s YouTube channel has licensing notification text adjacent to his “Scientology Top Managers In Action” video, shot at LAX.

      It’s not clear if this is applicable to all of the videos on his channel, or just this one.

      In any event, it’s a pretty safe assumption that the videos appearing on Scientology websites that feature Marty in his new haircut, shirt and brown sport coat are there with his permission.

      If not, I’m sure there are dozens of competent contingency lawyers looking to represent a person of integrity like Marty to see that the mean old COS does not infringe further on his copyright.

      Lol.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/556b78b08127cd657ab4f4c20d9d3539fe80a81c8dfd7f3bb961ad6bb6eba679.png

      • Kestrel

        Well played, Noesis.

  • beauty for ashes

    Why did I watch that last video? Seriously chugging ginger ale. Disheartened sad and nauseous. Just one question Marty, Why didn’t you give the damn money back if it was so abbhorent to you?

    • Dale

      The first 10 minutes of the last video were enough. The man has absolutely no moral core.

      • Mark Fulton

        Yeah, had to stop and fast forward the video to relieve my sudden headache caused by his words in part 12. But MR says that Karen de la Carriere offered him a lot of money to run muck about Ron Miscavige. Marty continues to say ANYTHING no matter how vile. I just need to stay away.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I can’t watch mark’s videos. I tried but to no avail. Next he’ll be Chipmonking again.

    • daisy

      Honey if you have it can you post the picture of the tape the nurse put on after drawing blood the one doing nothing but wrinkling your skin . It never fails to make me laugth. I hope mom and dad are doing well. It is aslways so nice to see you once in a while.

    • Syd

      Exactly! I wondered the same thing. His lies are so ridiculous and provable as lies – he should be embarrassed and ashamed of himself.

    • Lilsky

      The question I have is: Why does he consider it unethical to be paid to be a critic of the “church”, but apparently ethical to be paid to be a critic of the critics?

      • George Layton

        Everyone except him is ignorant, He is teaching them not to be and they should pay him for it.

  • OOkpik

    Marty’s site is reduced to only this now.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd7f7eb04df9671151bfc4d3e38c3ead6201970b3938f37443766ed60785e24a.png
    ETA: It’s back. Don’t know what happened there but I hope there are mirror copies of his site for future reference – if there are any f*#ks to give at this point.

    • outraged

      I think it was a movement in the Force…

    • J. Swift

      The site was down for a few minutes while OSA was doing maintenance on it.

  • Mick Roberts

    OT: Are the HowdyCon videos still available from last Saturday night? Tried going to the main link but the only Video just says that it’s Off the Air. I’m on my phone so that might be the problem. Just curious where to listen to them again (it was very choppy for me that night so I just gave up trying).

  • Puget Buckeye

    I couldn’t help myself and watched Marty’s latest video, Leah #12. The Hibernia one, I won’t give Marty the clicks.
    1) He plays pretty fast and loose with Ron’s age and intelligence. Marty says that one google search and Ron “reversed his life of 80 years”. Exactly how old is Ron? 110? And then has the temerity to poke fun at the “depth of this guy’s intelligence”.
    2) When speaking about the PI’s talking directly with DM, Marty says that “never would happen”. In all his years of being involved, that kind of thing simply would not happen. But something Marty doesn’t address is whether DM did or did not hire PI’s. He stops just short. At that point in the video, you can see his choosing his words very carefully.

    • PeaceMaker

      On 2), I believe that after Rathbun made that claim, a prior instance was researched where Miscavige did deal directly with PIs, and might even have spoken to them on the phone – I can’t recall the details.

      • Mark Foster
        • Puget Buckeye

          Yes, that’s the incident I was talking about. Ron discussed with Marty about the PI’s not calling the ambulance on orders directly from DM. PI’s said they spoke with DM, police told Ron about it after busting the PI’s, Ron told Marty about it, and Marty says he told Ron that DM would never speak with PI’s directly. Never does Marty deny the existence of PI’s, never does he say the church doesn’t hire PI’s. His focus is solely on Ron fabricating a story.

          • PeaceMaker

            Again, if I recall correctly, that report was critiqued as not necessarily proving that the PIs talked with Miscavige himself – even if they thought they had. But I believe there was another incident brought up where someone around Miscavige witnessed him dealing directly with PIs – maybe during the extended surveilance of Pat Broeker?

            • UhLasare

              I remember somebody posting about this months ago, my memory indicates someone found a reference to DM speaking with a PI in one of Marty’s books, but I can’t find the post.

            • PeaceMaker

              It may have been repeated here but, ironically, I found it on https://markrathbun.blog/2016/09/04/ruthless-bunker-mentality/

              First there’s some discussion as to exactly what Rathbun might have said about Misavige wanting to, or speaking to, PI Gene Ingram about an operation against Gerry Armstrong – and no conclusive answer to be found, here.

              Then, there’s this, which does look like a solid case of Miscavige speaking to PIs, in at least some context:

              “Marrick and Arnold’s petition, which was filed in District Court in San Patricio County by attorney Ray Jeffrey, states:

              Quote Originally Posted by Marrick and Arnold’s First Amended Petition
              14. Mr. Arnold and Mr. Marrick were hired and supervised by Mr. Miscavige and his closest aides. Mr. Miscavige, himself, devised the 1988 tryout for Mr. Arnold and Mr. Marrick to test their special competence for the Broeker surveillance. For 25 years, Mr. Miscavige received regular briefings on this particular investigation and he even participated in conference calls with Arnold and Marrick.”

              As I’ve noted before, Rathbun doesn’t seem to have quite as good a memory as he thinks he does; and may not have been central to, or even in the loop on, all the important matters that he thinks he was.

            • UhLasare

              Thank you. I spent some time looking, here and on ESMB. Didn’t figure it would be on MOUALH!

  • Jeb Burton

    I know this is off topic, who can get enough of Marty is an asshole and Garcia got conned by the worlds largest conman talk, but I have a serious question. My better half, she isn’t really better, but I think that is what we’re supposed to say, says that a hot dog is a sandwich. She actually said “Do you want mustard on your bratwurst sandwich?”. I commented that a bratwurst hot dog isn’t a sandwich, but didn’t go on and on like I usually do. She is so stupid that I think she may be a candidate for Scientology.

    • George Layton

      She picked you didn’t she?

    • Puget Buckeye

      I don’t think it’s very nice to call your better half stupid.

    • Snippy_X

      So what is your question then? We’re always here to help as you know.

    • OOkpik

      Attempting to publicly demean your partner reflects badly on you. There, I said it!

    • PattyCakenfeld

      John Hodgman has taken up your cause on his comedy podcast, Jeb, and he’s firmly on your side. His explanation:

      https://www.timeout.com/newyork/comedy/the-case-against-hot-dogs-as-sandwiches

      (I take your stupid comment about your companion as being tongue in cheek, so please don’t disabuse me.)

  • madame duran

    With so many battles going on, I’m guessing that SMP’s televised programming on Spectrum is not on top of the list of priorities. The second announced deadline has come and gone…AFAIK, there’s still nothing airing anywhere.

    Lurking Scientologist/UTR: you were promised and COMPELLED TO PAY FOR an all-encompassing network studio devoted to Scientology dissemination across ALL media formats (TV, radio, print, Internet). With great fanfare and expectation, you heralded SMP’s Grand Opening back in May 28th, 2016 as the beginning of rapid “planetary clearing”. Perhaps you personally attended that event and listened to David Miscavige’s speech with pride. But what has happened since then? SILENCE. Not a single update other than occasional requests to donate MORE money to get the ball rolling. What?? I thought the ball was already in motion?!?? What were SMP staff doing for the past year (psst…you got any idea who those individuals are?) ?? Why is there NOTHING to publicly present?? Why does Scientology need to rely on another network (the cable giant TimeWarner’s Spectrum) to broadcast its stuff? Ah, but Miscavige announced back in March that SMP will finally–FINALLY–go to air on June 21st, 2017. Whelp….it’s now July 2nd. Still nuthin’. That’s the second deadline missed with no apology, no explanation, no product. Oh, and no refund either. This type of unreasonable delay and investment failure would certainly NOT be tolerated in the non-Scientologist world…so why should you accept it? What rational reason could there be for this mismanagement? What reason were you given by Scientology officials (if any)? Hello, OSA…care to explain?

    That’s enough talking from me. I’ll let the following time counters and Twitter screen caps speak to you instead:
    https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/1464462000000/america-los_angeles/owd/FFFFFF3B5998000000FF0000/No_On-Air_Programming_since_SMP_Grand_Opening (months, weeks, days)
    http://www.webcountdown.net/?a=ZuRrbYa (days, hours, minutes, seconds) **ETA: 400 DAYS as of now and counting!!!**

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/27d009b28985088775939b7bb0d4e3466a6259f70d95d44f9b9e5509d56e20c1.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2bf74654f8b1f04b2b470fa83ab06bcc126b196ba5ab49b31c9527d32f5c02e1.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c4ba316119b88c6c44d60f7531fecfbc4fb84198a7579842334944a5668dded.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4c99d2827e7be810fd145a4dbdadd027d0114845137d8bc177f0ef8ccde52c9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/380ee6fb2f6ca5474c2bc39ac1b36e139eaf4574ef86200b884d17c0495d5663.jpg

    • Jeb Burton

      I was going to say that. You beat me to it.

    • PeaceMaker

      It was reported on Mike Rinder’s blog in the last day or two, by someone apparently in the know, that Scientology is quietly going around to big donors trying to collect $8 million to begin broadcasting – presumably recently, in spite of the deadline that they should have been working towards for a long time.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      If I’d made it out to Howdy Con. I would have totally arranged a pool for which month Scientology TV would go on the air!

      • Kim O’Brien

        you would have been drunk and stoned …just like the rest of us 😉 ( kidding )

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      They can’t even put out issues of Freedom Magazine on a regular basis. What a joke.

    • chukicita

      As a Spectrum subscriber in Tampa Bay, I go to the app and search for Scientology but all that comes up is Going Clear and Leahs show.

  • Supper Powers

    So Marty is upset that he did not get to “manage” Ron Sr when he left and wrote the book. How pathetic.

  • Kim O’Brien

    no clue what is happening here today …just got home from the cabin and wanted to show you what i saw when i put the kayak in the water ( refresh ) The Moose was not sideways 😉 no flip tech https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d593e9f642e1ed9e084f1f7928bdccb657d58b54a300ef3bba94c959c85292ba.jpg

    • MrsShark

      Wow Stunning. Moose are dangerous no?

      • Kim O’Brien

        yes. It came right up to a spot where we had our kayak’s . He hung out for over an hour . So awesome

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        The males are, in autumn.

      • Pia Pill

        Yes they can be! 😆

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Yes they have been known to attack people.

    • GfldedKim

      Majestic creatures..lucky you..

    • Chee Chalker

      Mrs Shark and I saw one of those (with its baby) on the side of road as we were driving along during Howdy Con.
      It may have been an elk…..
      But either way – very cool!

      • Kim O’Brien

        i am so glad you got to see some wildlife ! I actually planned it that way 😉 And good parking spots too 😉

    • OOkpik
      • Kim O’Brien

        thanks !

      • Pia Pill

        Oh Kim,
        GREAT PICTURES! I have a true story about a “moose encounter” I had in Alaska! I was there on business with my boss (who SAID HE WAS A BOY SCOUT LEADER …. which is germane here in a minute) …. We were driving down a highway and he noticed a large moose standing in a waterway like you have pictured! Anyway, he wanted a picture and being young, stupid, AND TRUSTING (Boy Scout Leader remember) …. he stopped the rental car and he went into the thicket … (it had several trees and low hanging branches but I was several FEET BEHIND because I was watching my steps (pretty amazed at how many “moose droppings” there were and thinking how were the moose with the big horns able to navigate through this “maze of branches”!

        Anyway, I looked up as my supervisor had just approached the clearing to take his picture (remember I was many several feet behind because I was trying to avoid stepping in moose droppings) and the large moose was still standing in the water area seemingly with no care in the world. …. my boss had his camera up and ready to take a picture …. when ALL OF A SUDDEN I could HEAR AND FEEL (sounds of branches being breached, sounds of quick movement and could literally feel “the earth move under my feet” (as I had turned around and running back towards the safety (of the car) and thinking I really DON’T WANT TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING TO HIT ME BUT I KNEW THEY WERE BIG, FAST, AND STRONG … as I was thinking …if we get out of this unscathed. … how am I going to EXPLAIN THIS on the trip report and also CRAP …. THAT IDIOT HAS THE KEYS and I do NOT know how to hot wire a car) ….

        It was over in a few seconds but it felt much longer and I was amazed at how much can go through your mind as a crisis hits (even in our own making)!!! When it was all over, I turned around and my boss said, “Did you SEE THAT?!” Naturally, I could NOT TELL HIM WHAT A FLIPPING DUMB ASS IDIOT HE WAS AND HOW I WILLINGLY FELL FOR HIS CON THAT HE WAS A “BOY SCOUT LEADER” AND THOUGHT HE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT SAFETY AND “WILD “F*CKING LIFE” !!!! Instead I just said, No, I turned to run because I really didn’t want to face what was charging at us!!! (as I muttered under my breath, you idiot). Anyway, the female moose was not alone (she did not move) but her “mate” was apparently on the outskirts somewhere but when my boss had reached the clearing and was just about to take the picture, the male moose perceived DANGER …. and instead of trying to take out the danger itself, he CHARGED AT HER, to protect her! This HUGE MALE MOOSE CAME OUT OF FLIPPING NOWHERE AND HE WAS SO FAST (I thought for being so big) it was purely amazing!!! I was thanking everyone and/or everything above for protecting us from my boss’s stupidity which could have easily gotten us severely injured or worse!! I bought my husband a T-shirt that had some moose standing in a clearing for a gift and explained my up close and personal “National Geographic” moment in Alaska!

        • EmmaDaoust
          • Pia Pill

            Oh that is HYSTERICAL!!! I bought some “moose dropping” earrings as a joke to take back to one of my friends! 😂😂😂

            • EmmaDaoust

              Brilliant!

            • Pia Pill

              I thought so because my husband and I had very good friends that had moved from California to Kansas (her parents were elderly and they wanted to be by them to help them). Anyway, her husband was a practical joker and they had mailed us a package as a surprise and I SWEAR TO YOU her husband but a little baggie of “cat shit” and another little baggie of “horseradish” among the goodies!! (What can I say, we have really good sense of humor) …. anyway he labeled everything … so when I would go on travel, I would pick up gag gifts as well to send to them! Really love them and miss them like CRAZY!!! They just recently moved to Oregon …. anyway, I though the “real moose dropping” earrings (and I picked up another moose dropping item (they were somehow shalacked ….. not sure I am spelling this right and too tired to look it up …. anyway I CONFIRMED that they were real and since they looked like all the droppings I worked so hard to avoid “going into the thicket” but did NOT TAKE THE CARE TO WATCH OUT WHEN I RUNNING BACK TO SAFETY IN FEAR OF MY LIFE 😆, I figured they told me the truth)! They got some smoked salmon as well ….

            • EmmaDaoust

              LOL! Love it. My childhood friend sent me a “pooping cow” dispenser once. I sent her a solar powered Queen Elizabeth waving figure and a Royal Corgi as well. She and her hubby are rabid monarchists – especially him – the house is decorated with all manner of royal souvenir plates etc.
              https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/50/91/d3/5091d388b32db8cfdd836a5e2cfeda98.jpg

            • Pia Pill

              Do they like to drink tea?? Are you familiar with the European “teacup sets”? They have a cup and saucer and a medium sized matching plate (maybe no bigger than 6-8 inches in diameter) …. Anyway, I gather the plates were used for the scones and tarts and such …..

              Reason I ask, if you think they would like something like that, I can send you some for them …. just let me know (I purchased several at the flea markets in Germany & France) …. Let me know and if you could let me know what style they would appreciate (modern art deco (for lack of a better word) or more traditional) ….. 😊😊😊😊🎩☕🍪

            • EmmaDaoust

              Aw, Pia, that is lovely of you to offer! I do know they have quite the collection already, and she’s actually quietly decluttering some of their pieces under hubby’s nose! But thank you for your kind offer, so sweet of you.

            • Pia Pill

              But Emma,

              These should NOT count to the “clutter” because they have “honest to goodness” utility! The teacups for the tea and the plate for the crumpets/scones! They could be in the kitchen ….. 😆

            • EmmaDaoust

              So Pia, how come you’re so eager to give them away? 🙂 Running out of room in your kitchen? 🙂 🙂 Teasing you. Again, it’s amazingly dear of you to tempt me with your offer. Uh, I mean, tempt my friend, because, Lord knows I have absolutely NO space in my teeny apartment!

            • Pia Pill

              Yes; yes I am …. to a good home! I left Europe Dec 2004, worked for a year in Washington DC then returned back to my “home”. While in Europe I had a BEYOND BIG HOME …. it was a single family home with 4 levels and 3 different living quarters …. I had three out of the 4 levels! We were in the forest and the whole back of the home faced the forest and we had a running creek in the back and a beautiful church a few doors down and we heard the church bells every hour (I think the bells may have stopped in the late evening). The one thing I really miss is the church bells! Anyway I purchased several items during my 3 years …. and when I came back to the states, I had too much and I even have a large home! 😊

            • EmmaDaoust

              I’ll take the house in the forest and the running creek.

            • Pia Pill

              Understood; don’t forget the church bells!! 😆😂😂

            • EmmaDaoust

              Oh, I didn’t forget! Sigh.

    • Baby
      • Kim O’Brien

        love you 😉

        • Baby

          OHHH my FU baby sister..love you 2..xo

      • stanrogers

        Disqus resizes the image display based on its height (if it’s taller than a maximum), so “landscapes” will appear larger than”portraits”. Both images are the same size if you open them separately. Doesn’t explain why the kayak was sideways, though.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Wow! How close were you, Kim? These guys are massive. What a beauty.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    SMP will stop men from marrying their cats!
    It looks like my avalanche of letters to Miscavige complaining about the ever increasing number of feline/human nuptials (accompanied by large donation checks) have paid off! Thank you COB!
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/76030b2c2e20ed7d9c36c1ee2d62d709f3263d3b0e1441afe5ec52eabd38d454.png

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Oh, Scientology is going to bring a lot of sanity into the world of Marriage. I’ll take men marrying cats over a man who sent his own wife into exile, any day of the week. And let’s not get started on Tom and John’s Marriages. SHINING examples of SANITY!!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Can I call shenanigans on this shit?

      I know there are some people who have been married longer than Mr E and I – but damn 30 + yrs has got to count for something.

      Marry someone who make you laugh.
      Marry your best friend.
      Marry someone who will be compassionate, if not empathetic when crisis occur. Crises always occur.
      Marry someone who you trust has your best interest at heart – even if it is not there own.

      In my darkest times. I always trusted Mr E.

      Aphorisms / Adages for me

      • redfisch

        You got yourself a good mister and a good marriage, both of which can seem a little hard to find these days. I have both, also, and I hope I never take either of them for granted.

  • Observer

    Maybe these are Marty’s audition tapes for the position of White House press secretary. Sean Spicer seems to be on the verge of some kind of breakdown.

  • Chee Chalker

    From Marty’s blog October 2013:

    “Breaking free from sophisticated mind control is not easy. I don’t think I have seen anyone do so in as bold and spectacular a fashion as Leah Remini has. Tony Ortega breaks it down at the Scientology Underground Bunker. I hope folks who have been (or are) similarly situated appreciate what Leah is doing for them at considerable personal risk to herself.”

  • J. Swift

    In 2009, Scientology Spokesman Tommy Davis called Marty Rathbun a “f*cing lunatic.” And yet now Scientology is using Marty as a credible source. So is Marty a f*cking lunatic or is he a credible source? Which story is Scientologist sticking with? 42 seconds of audio from a Tampa Bay Times interview:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8TBzIg_fXU&feature=youtu.be

    • Puget Buckeye

      I’ve come to the conclusion that it depends on the day of the week.

      • Eclipse-girl

        As long as the name of the dya ends in ‘y’

    • Observer

      Going by the reverence with which Scientologists treat both Lafayette and Captain Miscavige, they consider effing lunatics to be credible sources.

    • Mockingbird

      Maybe he meant it like he will party all night and show you a great time “he’s a fucking lunatic !” 😂😂😂

    • Puget Buckeye

      I’m no expert, but it sounds like Tommy has anger issues. Zero to foul mouthed shouting in a matter of seconds! Wow.

    • stanrogers

      “That statement is no longer operative.”

    • EmmaDaoust

      Holy crap. Tommy is screaming like a f*cking lunatic.

      Every time I read/see/hear this stuff, I am more and more deeply grateful that I never made the mistake of setting foot in an office of $cientology criminal con soul-destroying life-smashing insanity-making business enterprise.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Bringing his kid into the discussion and speculating on the adoption circumstances is the kind of low trashing that I would expect from the New and Improved Mutty. I don’t care what Mutty does, that shit aint on.

    • Supper Powers

      Marty doesn’t seem to be able to process emotions in a healthy way. Jealousy and hurt are the emotional themes in every one of these videos. He took the long cut to avoid feeling those things and ended up here.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I noticed that in the Leah/Part 11 video Marty finally said something that’s true and sums up this whole mess.
    I just wish Marty & Miscavige would get a room. Nobody wants to see this crap.
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef0bfad3d3e222fb1f966590b2368cdd9e137648e846e241f159fbc47084c9f6.png

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Mutty looks like he has been taking public speaking classes with Blinky Muffins.
      With all the screenshots of him with closed eyes or funny twisted expressions.
      If he starts offering baked goods he has definitely gone to the dark side. 🙂

  • Rasha

    “Mr. Humberto Fontana has spent years on the front lines….. working through all sectors of government, education and the media…. to open up Scientology to all levels of the government and the military.”

    Wait, what?

    • madame duran

      Doesn’t necessarily mean he succeeded in accomplishing anything…

      • Rasha

        Indeed, but …. yeesh….

    • Jimmy3

      Fun Fact: “Humberto” is Spanish for “blowjob”

      • Puget Buckeye

        Your fun facts are just so…….fun.

        • Jimmy3

          Thank you. My ego really needed that humberto.

      • Supper Powers

        That’s what that guy walking up and down the street is yelling. I thought he was looking for his lost chihuahua. Go figure.

      • Rasha

        *rereads*
        *applies eyedrops*
        *has a drrnnk dnrik breathrer *

        Yesh. It makes sents now…..,,.

      • 🎄🎄Hamtaro🎄🎄

        Knock knock
        Who’s there?
        Jimmy 3
        Jimmy 3 who?
        Sorry, I can’t answer the door right now, I’m giving a blowjob to Humberto, even though I don’t speak Spanish

        • Jimmy3

          I’m mucho confused. Am I knocking on the inside of the door?

          • Puget Buckeye

            Yeah. Remember? You’re confused.

          • 🎄🎄Hamtaro🎄🎄

            Sorry J3, the punch line was supposed to be something like “I don’t speak Spanish either, so how about another blowjob” but it’s not as funny now as it was when I was doing shots a couple of hours ago. My bad. No more drunk posting for me!

            • Jimmy3

              I like drunken hamster. It means freedom. It means America.

            • I thought it was a style of Kung-fu

    • Noesis

      That quote about “Humberto Fontana has spent years on the front lines…blah, blah blah,” fits right in with several other hyperbolic tropes common in Scientology, such as:

      – LRH healed himself from the wounds he received in combat during WWII

      – Dianetics creates Clears with perfect recall and no psychosomatic illnesses

      – Ron causatively dropped his body in 1986 so he could do advanced research in outer space

      – It is not expensive to go up the Bridge to OT VIII

      – David Miscavige has no interest in money and is only leading Scientology to help mankind.

      After all the above…just wait until Humberto is able to “open up Scientology to all levels of the government and the military.”

      – It’s a star high goal – and I think it’s your goal too.

      Lol.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I just watched Marty’s Leah/Part 12 video. What a piece of $hit he is. There is so much to call him out on but I think the worst is referring to Karen de la Carriere’s “song and dance” about her son. Song and dance? What kind of sub-human POS refers to the death someone’s only child as a song and dance? What a vile and disgusting creature he is. I feel sorry for Marty’s son.
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e54a7febee68e1a9d420d6c129b51a3134ad0d404ba0ee6aefd442133cc3976.png

    • Observer

      He’ll be returning the thousands of dollars she gave him any time now. Yep, annnnnnnnny minute…

    • Noesis

      “What kind of sub-human POS refers to the death someone’s only child as a song and dance?”

      The same kind of piece of shit that would act as a violent enforcer in Scientology for 20+ years – then blow and whine about how he and his family were mistreated by the church – then (apparently) decide that becoming a public cheerleader anew for that same organization is a good idea.

      Marty is author of – as well as the product of – the disgraceful treachery that defines Scientology.

      • NerdHerd

        That last video really shows what an uncaring degraded being Marty really is. I would be on a constant crusade if I had lost a child and husband to the COS. Not for self aggrandizement, but to let people KNOW what the COS is about. To go off on Karen the way he has is unnecessary, and adding insult to injury.
        And….Mr. Smarty Marty, Ron Miscavige is a musician, not an author. Being condescending about Ron needing someone to assist him with telling his story is like me going off on you because you can’t compose anything musical. I just wanna be like Red Forman and holler DUMBASS at him

    • stillgrace2

      Calling a personal tragedy a “song and dance” sounds like David Miscavige talking.

      • Observer
        • stanrogers

          Upvoted, with inner conflict and turmoil. (My clicky feels icky.)

        • salin

          Tears.

        • abdaman

          Maybe put some quotes around it

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        While watching this I was struck by how everything Marty says sounds like it came right out of little Davey’s mouth. Marty even defends Davey and calls Ron Miscavige a jackal (and worse). Unbelievable!

        • He repeats his claim that Davey never talked PIs, contradicting himself in 2009.

        • Observer

          He’s finally reached the EP of Scientology.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Bingo! It’s his words that Mutty is speaking when he goes into the Ron Sr. legend too, which he really wants to set you straight on…lying liars who lie through other liars’ mouths, sooo disgusting!

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Yup….you can see the puppet strings.

    • JaxNGold

      What a f****n asshole. I’d love to punch his ugly face in.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Which one? He’s a two-faced sumbitch.

        • JaxNGold

          He talks all this cruel shit about other people. When is he going to start talking about himself? How he and Monique were subjected to a Fair Game campaign, complete with Squirrel Busters and daily harassment? Will he now belittle HIMSELF for speaking out about it and even filing a lawsuit against the CO$? Is his harassment also “old news” and a “song and dance”? Guess so.

          • Philbyification

            Yes. Marty and Mosey were Rats from day one. imho. They deserve no quarter.

    • Philbyification

      Despicable Twatwaffle! Gawd! Just pay the woman back what you accepted under false pretenses….FRAUD! MR for Prison 2017!

      • Puget Buckeye

        Twatwaffle! Perfect word!

  • Jimmy3

    David Miscavige: What the fuck is going on down there??? I need Humberto in Mexico City RIGHT NOW!

    Goon: Uhhh, boss… If you… We could just go to the boulevard for that…

    David Miscavige: WHAT???

    Goon: Huh?

  • Observer
  • Fink Jonas

    Poor Mexicans they gonna sue the hell out of them, they never seen anything like that, yep just like the IRS brought down to their knees, the org will be open, unless they fire with fire I mean bullets real bullets which the Mex know how to do, I know is not pretty but corner them and you will see something crazy happening.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      The cartels are going to want to control that place. Just sayin’.

      • Fink Jonas

        Yep the scienos are gonna have to pay a hefty fee to them annually or whatever to function freely.

      • Pia Pill

        That is what I was thinking as well ….

  • FredEX2

    I’m beginning to wonder if Marty is doing such a great job appearing like he is back in the fold with his Scientology buddies and his BFF Miscavige…when he’s really trying to convince Miscavige he’s on his side…bc he’s really going back under deep cover as a spy for the authorities to get the goods on Miscavige this time for sure.

    (FredEX2 twisting into a pretzel)

    • Observer

      Miscavige will never make Marty privy to anything remotely resembling “goods.” He’ll get his jollies watching Marty demean himself until it’s not fun anymore, then dump him.

      • Jimmy3

        Miscavige’s breakup line: “It’s not me. It’s you, you CSMF”

        • Puget Buckeye

          Damn Jimmy! You keep making me go to the Urban Dictionary!

      • FredEX2

        I think you’re right Obs. No way would Miscavige ever trust Marty again…if he’s smart. But I’m sure he’s enjoying watching Marty capitulate and make himself look like the biggest backstabbing kiss-up turncoat in the history of Scientology.

        • PeaceMaker

          I wonder if something isn’t going on behind the scenes, where each of them thinks that they have gotten the better of the other – and the answer to that may not be known, until we see how the consequences actually unfold.

          • When Marty is no longer any use to Miscavige he will be discarded with a final vengeful flourish. The real power is all on one side

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      I wish that were true… Sigh…

    • GrangerFX

      Clearly he is trying to entice members to Google Scientology in his latest video. He said that no one would change their mind about the cult with a single Google search like Ron Miscavige claimed. Or could they? What if a lot of cult members felt safe in searching the Internet for information about their religion? As I see it, Marty is giving himself room to claim it was all an ASC plot from the start.
      Edit: Don’t take this too seriously!

      • I don’t think people do change their mind with a single Google search.

        I think what happens is that they become so disillusioned and stressed that they become prepared to believe what they see online, rather than rationalise it away, deny or avoid it.

        The state of mind in which people first access the Internet to look for critical material is key. If they are looking for a way out for a long time (perhaps without even admitting this to themselves) a sudden and complete change of attitude is quite feasible

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • NerdHerd

    Anyone have a good explanation why Marty would be posting this quote? It appears to be reasoning behind why he has been posting his videos and I’ve had a few too many to logically process it right now 😀

    Why?

    The following words written by Reinhold Niebuhr in 1952 sum it up neatly:

    Irony consists of apparently fortuitous incongruities in life which are discovered, upon closer examination, to be not merely fortuitous. Incongruity as such is merely comic. It elicits laughter. This element of comedy is never completely eliminated from irony. But irony is something more than comedy. A comic situation is proved to be an ironic one if a hidden relation is discovered in the incongruity. If virtue becomes vice through some hidden defect in the virtue; if strength becomes weakness because of the vanity to which strength may prompt the mighty man or nation; if security is transmuted into insecurity because too much reliance is placed upon it; if wisdom becomes folly because it does not know its own limits – in all such cases the situation is ironic. The ironic situation is distinguished from a pathetic one by the fact that the person involved in it bears some responsibility for it. It is differentiated from tragedy by the fact that the responsibility is related to an unconscious weakness rather than to a conscious resolution. While a pathetic or a tragic situation is not dissolved when a person becomes conscious of his involvement in it, an ironic situation must dissolve, if men or nations are made aware of their complicity in it. Such awareness involves some realization of the hidden vanity or pretension by which comedy is turned into irony. This realization either must lead to an abatement of the pretension, which means contrition; or it leads to a desperate accentuation of the vanities to the point where irony turns into pure evil.

    • Jimmy3

      He word cleared “fortuitous” and “incongruities” and thought it sounded smart.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Yup

      • NerdHerd

        I wonder if he has any MU’s about using the bathroom and has to word clear toilet paper…..

      • Puget Buckeye

        Kind of like Marty. It’s like he has one of those New Word a Day calendars and tries to fit them all in at once.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      That is a very densely and opaquely written quote by Niebhur, whoever he is. I can read Shakespeare and understand it easier than this, and I’m not that good at Shakespeare. There’s no “bottom line” there, hence in my opinion no logic. In other words, WTH is all that nonsense???

      • NerdHerd

        At least I’m not the only one who is at a loss lol. Like what in the heck is this narcissistic jerk trying to say?

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          I have not the FAINTEST idea. I think it’s supposed to sound intelligent, and deep, but really it’s illogical and ridiculous, at least in this context.

          • NerdHerd

            He’s about as deep as his mirror O.o

    • Supper Powers

      I had to know who the guy was to help the context. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhold_Niebuhr

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        How very interesting that he was a theologian who taught in a seminary……. Hmmmmm. Kind of flies in the face of the utter lack of God, a Supreme Being, Universal consciousness, or any other kind of otherworldly intelligence in the CoS. (other than the dentally impaired LRH) I still really don’t like it when writers write in a style that does not make their ideas accessible to the majority of readers…..otherwise, what’s the point? No wonder I did so badly in Philosophy class…I just wanted to scream “Oh for the love of heaven…..just state clearly what you mean…this pontificating and multisyllabic outpouring with verbal sparring is making me nuts.” Churchill spoke clearly and concisely, as did Abraham Lincoln and other great orators/debators and you didn’t have to diagram their sentences to get their meaning. sigh

        • EmmaDaoust

          I remember falling asleep in philosophy class at college. I was 16. As it happens, 42 years later, my niece is now teaching philosophy, ethics, critical thinking at the very same campus. She confiscates her students’ cell phones at the beginning of each class. I gather she is able to keep them all awake with her scintillating wit.

        • PeaceMaker

          Someone over at ESMB has suggested that the use of a theologian’s work is a smart if not brilliant attempt by Rathbun and Scientology to position themselves as allies of the religious mainstream.

          It’s not, however, a particularly theological or religious work, but more a practical and moral one, with a particular focus on foreign policy.

          The quote is from the preface of Neibuhr’s The Irony of American History, so Rathbun may be following Hubbard’s footsteps and citing a work he hasn’t fully read.

    • PeaceMaker

      That’s posted as his first actual written blog entry in about half a year, though his habit for about two years now has been to drop out-of-context musings like this.

      There are many potential angles and outcomes to the situation that could be ironic, so this doesn’t really tell us anything. Probably due to sloppiness rather than intent, the situation in which he presents it leaves it smacking more of vacuous post-modern irony.

      Typically for Rathbun, it’s pretentious and mysterious, probably intended to attract attention and controversy. He doesn’t even provide enough context to end up provoking worthwhile contemplation and discussion, like a real teacher or thinker would (I went to a post-secondary institution famous for seminars based on posing questions and using the Socratic method, so I have a bit of familiarity with how it works when done right).

      Like much or all of what he’s doing these days, I’m not sure it’s amenable to logic, and is best left ignored until more factual information comes to light.

      EDIT/ADD: If this marks the end of the video material that someone let him be featured in and that he then got to play at posting, I suspect he’s run out of tricks, and there will either be silence or some really sloppy follow-up reeking of desperation.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Well I’m just too tired at this point to untangle this ball of yarn, and why would I even want to. Unless he puts it in a flow sheet I’m not going there. It does sound incredibly pretentious. I kind of hearken to the Hemingway style of thinking and writing, straightforward, with an economy of words (although obviously Hemmingway was a novelist, not a philosopher) I loathed college philosophy even though I had to take it, and looking at this reminds me why.

        • PeaceMaker

          Even a bad college philosophy class, would be better than this. I hung out around a graduate philosophy department, and knew the folks thrown into teaching that class – the best of whom, were better than the full professors.

          Come to think of it, this smacks of the bad teaching assistants who were arrogant, and thought that making students wrong made themselves look smart.

      • NerdHerd

        If he had any real point to make, he’d be willing to open himself up to REAL debate. Silence speaks volumes, I wish that was a lesson Marty would have learned a long time ago. He reminds me of the academic apologists who use “NRM” and other such terms to describe destructive cults, too many words, too little meaning.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          YES

      • EmmaDaoust
        • I’m pink, therefore I’m Spam

          Smoky the Pig

          • EmmaDaoust

            Our greatest living philosopher. Er, I mean, greatest tasting philosopher.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      As apropos as this great Niebuhr quote on irony might be, we’re still going to need some definitive proof of life here before we believe that Mutty is still running his blog – such as a willingness to engage in discussion with someone over there in Mutty World. I’m sure Marildi could give us the ultimate verdict there, if only Mutty would comm with her 😉

      • Puget Buckeye

        That’s an interesting point. Do you suppose DM is “helping” Marty moderate the comments? I hadn’t thought of that.

        • PeaceMaker

          This looks to me like Rathbun’s style – and the whole thing smacks of amateurism, like these late-night postings that are not actually optimally timed for getting blog and video hits (the best practice, is early morning).

          But for all we know, Marty could be with Shelly.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Helping him? I’ve just assumed that since Mutty was cult-owned and operate, his blog was too.

    • PeaceMaker

      That quote is from the end of the preface to The Irony of American History, and is actually item (c), out of three. When pondering Rathbun’s situation, we might consider the first two as well:

      (a) Pathos is that element in an historic situation which elicts pity, but neither deserves admiration nor warrants contrition.

      (b) The tragic element in a human situation is constituted of conscious choices of [avoidable*] evil for the sake of good.

      * Later, Niebuhr writes “it is not invariably necessary to do evil in order that we may do good”

    • Snippy_X

      What is “it” in the opening sentence.

    • Snippy_X

      Sounds like he may be describing Miscavige or himself or their new bromance, at least subconsciously, but again, it depends on what “it” refers to. Another wild guess here – maybe Marty sees irony in his journey out of one cult into what he perceived to be a second cult of critics where he took a leading role which may have occurred due to his own vanity (or sense of importance). At some point he became uncomfortable with his ego and in an effort to destroy it in a Buddhist sense, he threw out the baby with the bath water. Hey, that couldn’t be right. That would reduce the irony to tragedy, which cannot happen. Way too wacky. Nevermind.

    • MrsShark

      Because he is crazy?

    • Graham

      “Irony consists of apparently fortuitous incongruities…” You need read no further than that. It’s got big words. Marty likes big words. They make him look big. Or so he thinks.

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    For those of you who need a break from the M.R. nonsense, try watching “nine lives” on Amazon Prime. It’s a movie about cats, of course, with Kevin Spacey, Christopher Walken, and Jennifer Garner. It got bad reviews from the critics,but on Amazon it’s rated at 4 stars by over 1,000 people. It’s nothing deep, but parts of it really are hysterical. I’m a dog person, but I really enjoyed it. I’m a sucker for Christopher Walken, so I had to check it out. It was a welcome diversion.

  • Supper Powers

    I wish I knew how to update Wikipedia pages so I could update Marty’s from my perspective.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Just for fun, what would you say?

      • Supper Powers

        An unstable man who deliberately hurt his friends and justifies it by quoting bona fide philosophers.

        • Puget Buckeye

          You know, after I asked you that question, I realized just how unfair it was. I mean, where would one start? But you summed it up all in one sentence. Well said.

          • MrsShark

            I just googled “sociopath” for the classic definition.
            First thing that pops up: A mental health disorder characterized by disregard for other people
            Gosh could that be Marty?

            • Puget Buckeye

              By any chance, was there a picture of Marty next to the definition?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              No, still B.M.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Oh, do I even want to ask…. BM?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              BM(bowel movement) is what I coined the little d.m. It’s in one of MK’s list. you know the scripture of the ASC.

            • Supper Powers

              I don’t think he’s a sociopath. I think this is much more basic. It’s school girl jockeying for position behavior. When Tony’s opinions became more credible and sought after, Marty became sore. But when Mike and others also vocalized their respect for TO’s work and didn’t side with Marty when Marty would get peeved at TO, it was over. Marty is making his friends pay for what he perceives as them choosing Tony over him. Someone get Marty a red ribbon for his hair.

              I will go eat a big bag of pretzels now.

            • I think it’s a mistake to try to medicalise this kind of behaviour.

              He’s a man whose lived his entire life in an extraordinary isolated social situation where ruthlessness and selfishness are rewarded , for a time, but nobody prospers for long because, sooner or later, their ‘success’ is seen as a threat.

              Marty prospered for a while, then fell from grace and escaped rather than endure ‘the hole’. From that moment he continued to behave like a Scientology ‘executive’ out in the wider world. His actions were calculated to bring him attention and influence.

              Unfortunately for him, his following was always too small. When media attention faded, he struggled to make a living. He traded in his wife’s court case and was offered a job as a Scientology propagandist because he might have some credibility with doubting Scientologists and Independents.

              The difficulties he has are due to his inability to put the attitudes of Scientology behind him – not least because he still seems to want the power he had in his heyday back.

              You can imagine the life of a member of the secret police, who flees a diplomatic mission from North Korea and is granted asylum. For the rest of his life, he will be terrified of a early-morning knock on the door. He may still believe that the Kim family are gods, and they are just badly advised. He may believe that he is still entitled to interrogate those who offend – and resent the fact that he can’t any more. He would not be a good neighbour. None of that would be because he was mentally ill.

              Marty is corruptible man spent his entire life in a toxic social situation and was corrupted by it. Then, he was thrown out into the real world, and has not been able to shake the conviction that he is smarter and better than everyone else because he once held rank in Scientology.

              That’s the banality of evil. That’s his responsibility – it’s not mental illness, which would offer some mitigation. it’s a character flaw. Mike Rinder was in a very similar to Marty situation, and look at him now.

            • MrsShark

              Yes you described it very well. I’m not not knocking what you said but many do believe Marty does have mental illness. MI can come in many forms, is complex and can come and go and some M.I.s. can never be healed. I believe MR is suffering from a MI like his mother. His case may be genetic or it could be from living in a cult over two decades. Not everyone gets out with their sanity attached

            • No – but I don’t see how anxiety or depression (for example) completely explains the things he has done. He has evidently sold out and betrayed at least one person in the process (the Israeli guy).

              Schizophrenia, which is sometimes suggested because he has family history, is not an option because it is a serious psychosis. He would not be able to function at all. Besides, genetics is digital- just because the genes are in family does not mean that you possess them in a active form.

              The fact that it is all so systematic and consistent suggest it was a free choice for which he should be held responsive unless there are compelling reasons that he is not at all responsible for his actions.

              To me, it’s just a lot simpler to recognise that someone who has acquired the Scientology mindset, and still thinks it makes him superior, can behave in bizarre ways with no diagnosable mental illness.

            • MrsShark

              That’s a very good point. His behavior in regards to spreading lies and using blood money to survive has been nothing less than horrific

  • Nat-leficent
  • TheMirrorThetan

    Hey, Is anyone else not getting the new post emails from Tony lately?
    I dont think I have got one for 5 days or so.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Now that you mention it, I don’t think I’ve been getting them either. The last one I see was 6/27. But of course, I may have deleted one or two since then.

    • Liberated

      Same here.

      • Puget Buckeye

        Psst….Hey Mirror and Libs. Are we on the naughty list for some reason? ETA Take out wrong poster’s name and correct to Mirror. . Oops

        • Liberated

          Don’t scare me..

        • TheMirrorThetan

          We must be. But at least now I know my email account isn’t eating them or something. 🙂

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I noticed they are absent, too.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    OT, Anybody hear anything from Fred Hassney a.k.a Jenny at LAX. I know he was chased out of LA by the clams but just wondered if he’s still posting. i lost contact with him.

  • org-rat 1003

    Yesterday, or last night, some new videos smearing Leah Remini’s show by someone who would be
    interrogated and punished if she just thought about watching it. I left a really long comment describing the real scientology and how Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are actually helping Scientologists by trying to expose the campaigns of misinformation that Scientologists are currently being defrauded by, and then when I went back to look at the comments section of the video (cause I was very proud of it because it was the best comment I’ve ever written) the videos (all of them) had been removed. I flatter myself that it’s because they didn’t want people reading comments like that and seeing all the dislikes and they’re just gonna put them up again but disable the comments. I hope not because they’re just eternal vomit whether they’ve got Rathbun in or not.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    OT: Just sitting here trying to get the packing tape off of 3 dvds for the last 20 mins, because the seller has decided to send them completely covered with brown paper and packing tape, and I look up to this on the TV. LOL.
    What The?

    I wonder if scientology can help with THAT.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/efc06500cde9dea222db5ee6ba5fb22eb8d1b9de357f377fe23b007f9ab69ba4.jpg

    • org-rat 1003

      At least it’ll be his decision whether to divorce it or not.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    John Mappin meeting with the Prez: https://www.facebook.com/john.mappincamelotcastle/posts/10154504269626277
    A message from Miscavige? Can this Trump $h!t show get any worse? Ugh!

    “While the content of what we chatted about personally was between us and
    will remain so. The experience of meeting The President and First Lady
    left me completely certain that our family’s long term and constant
    support of the Trump family and of their campaign for the Presidency
    from its inception has been a completely correct action.”

    • That’s going to enhance his reputation with the people of Tintagel and the UK. Not.

    • April

      The problem is that Trump has the memory of a goldfish, and won’t remember the conversation with Mappin more than 20 seconds after he left.

  • 0tessa

    At least Rathbun is reading some other books than those of the Hubbard.

    Is he with his ‘Why’ explaining why he did a lesser evil in order to prevent a greater evil from happening?
    I could call it an existentialistic decision a la Sartre. You have to make your hands dirty in some sense.
    But that is not an excuse. He himself made the decision. He could have not done it.

    And he is mistaken about what the greater evil is. That is not ‘Scientology into oblivion’. Oh no.
    That is killing yourself slowly by hurting so many old friends who had confidence in you. Who trusted you.

    If he has proven one thing, it is that he is a coward. That is the real irony: thinking you did something heroic, but in fact it was cowardice. Oh irony of ironies

    Rathbun will have to do some more reading in order to understand why ‘the greater good for the greatest number of dynamics’ is a dangerous falsehood.

  • Qbird

    up early today, cof coff Coffee ~ omg… need coffee NOW
    got the whole day off… XD

    Have a great day today people! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9f6d0715110f620b29302c9f9cb459dbba3992d6bb432403bd09102ed98afdb.jpg

    c y’all this evening.

  • Too Much

    Fontana currently works in the area of human rights in Los Angeles…”

    ROFL! These filthy Scientology fucktards are highly amusing, when they’re not highly deadly. 🙂

  • …this ruthless cult needs to be exposed to Mexican officials. They can’t be doing all of that.