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Marty Rathbun, Victoria Britton has a question for you about Scientology and judges

 
We’re traveling again today and we don’t have time for a long story. And we also know that you’re probably sick of reading about Marty Rathbun. But we wanted to give Victoria Britton recognition for raising one of the best questions we’ve seen about Rathbun’s new tune.

Here’s what Victoria said at Facebook after watching Rathbun’s “Going Clear, Part 9” video:

I just finished watching the ninth video in Marty Rathbun’s series and I would appreciate any feedback to my query. In the video Rathbun claims that the harassment of Judge Ronald Swearinger who presided over the Wollersheim case did not occur. According to Marty this is because of the purging of the Guardians Office that occurred five years prior. He continues in saying (not verbatim) “measures were tight-you couldn’t get involved in a lawsuit without an okay from H.Q.-no one would do something as stupid as mess with a judge.” In November of 2012, Marty while “under oath” described in detail how he set up a meeting to influence a Hillsborough County judge in the Lisa McPherson case. If what Marty says in his video is truthful, did he commit perjury in 2012?

That’s an excellent question, Victoria. Let’s go to the tape.

First, here’s the relevant passage from Rathbun’s new video. After denying accusations that Scientology had harassed and tried to influence a Los Angeles Superior Court judge, Rathbun says…

This was five years after the purge of the Guardian’s Office. I mean, the prophylactic measures, and control measures that were put in on external activity were so tight, that you couldn’t cough if you were involved in anything having to do with an external situation like a lawsuit, without HQ OK. OK? The last thing in the world that anybody — I mean, people knew within an inch of their lives that they would be purged and expelled forever if they did something as stupid and corrupt as go mess with a judge.

Seems pretty categorical, and Marty is leaving himself very little wiggle room. He’s saying pretty plainly that after the early 1980s purge of the Guardian’s Office, the agency that replaced it, the Office of Special Affairs, knew that trying to mess with a judge was no longer what Scientology did.

But as Victoria points out, in 2012 Rathbun gave a deposition, under oath, and described things very differently. Rathbun’s deposition was taken by Tampa attorney Ken Dandar, who at that time was fighting some very bizarre litigation from the Church of Scientology. (Eventually, Dandar succeeded in having a million-dollar judgment against him wiped out, and his court fight with the church is over.)

What Dandar wanted to know, and what Rathbun was happy to testify to, was the amount of time and money that was spent by the church fighting against criminal and civil court cases growing out of the 1995 death of church member Lisa McPherson. Specifically, Dandar wanted to know if Scientology had tried to influence the judges handling the various cases.

“Absolutely,” Rathbun testified. Here, we’re going to post the entire exchange from the deposition so you can see it for yourself.

 

 
Gosh, that sure sounds like “messing with a judge,” Marty — and it was done at your direction.

So, Victoria Britton’s eagle eye sure has raised a question for Marty Rathbun: Is he lying now, or was he lying then?

And he should be really careful about how he answers that question. Because if he was lying then, he was under oath. And that’s actually a crime.

 
Meanwhile, as for changing his tune…

 

 
Marty, you’re making this too easy. Do you really have such little self-respect?

Oh, and one more question, Marty. Why did you give Dani Lemberger’s private email to the Church of Scientology to use against him in litigation? How about just answering that simple question?

 
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Chris Shelton on the materials of Scientology

 

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Come to the local org to watch video of David Miscavige talking for two hours to a bunch of wealthy big beings on a cruise ship somewhere! Isn’t Scientology fun?

 

 
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HOWDYCON ANNOUNCEMENT

 
Can you believe it? We’re just a week out from the start of HowdyCon 2017 in Denver. If you are planning to join us Saturday night for our main event, we need to have your RSVP and dinner payment as soon as possible. Make sure you have confirmed with Kim O’Brien, our coordinator, and visit our HowdyCon website where she has instructions for how you can pay for the dinner fee that night. You need to do that right away to make sure you’ll be included in the Saturday night festivities, which include:

— London-based Australian journalist Steve Cannane talking about his book Fair Game
— A spoken-word performance from former Sea Org official Claire Headley
— Cathy Schenkelberg performing for us scenes from her one-woman show, “Squeeze My Cans”

You don’t want to miss out, so please visit the convention page and get in contact with Kim.

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,782 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,539 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,885 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,379 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,419 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,131 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 657 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,746 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,886 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,206 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,181 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 537 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,839 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 946 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,348 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,221 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 802 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,307 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,551 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,660 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 15, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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  • Kristen

    I am soooo wanting that body language woman whose YT channel chee posted to analyze Marty’s videos. Talk about lack of expression and dead eyes!

    • outraged

      The two pictures above. The one from the movie and the one from the video. Marty turned into a bot.

  • I’ve completely left the commentary about Marty up to others. See, after I read Amy’s book ‘Abuse at the Top’ June 2010, I had no where to go to speak a word about my thoughts and believe me after 36 years, 20 of them SO and another 11 on SO LOA living with my husband a SO member I had a LOT to say.
    The friend that sent me the book, sent it with a note “Read it like a KR”. But I could not call her. She was/still is UTR.
    But I’d read Amy’s book and I believed every word she said. So I went to Marty’s blog which I always considered to be Marty and Mike’s. And I studied and I learned. I read others experiences so much and so many they started to all sound the same and mine too which was a relief.
    I got ‘False Data Stripping’ every day with help from those speaking out. It is wonderful and I’ve been honestly on my own determination been repairing my life ever since. Marty was very helpful in that regard.
    Now I’m very disappointed in Marty. I believe in shades of good and shades of bad. We are all different and each responsible for our own consequences from our own actions. That is how we learn and evolve..
    The facts as have been reported here need to be front page reference as they are pre-verified facts not commentary. Facts help guide persons to make better decisions. They may even help Marty.
    Personally I wonder does he have dementia or is someone holding his wife/child at ransom? I haven’t seen any signs that he is still married, is he?
    Anyway, perhaps I’m still too nice. It’s been many years since I’ve gotten mad. I’m positively sure there is still lots of suppression from that cult to come off. Meanwhile I’ll enjoy myself and my friends :). Now I gotta go turn in all the bottles and cans so I can pay for my new toy. And I’m taking my truck because I’m sure going to miss her when she’s sold 🙁
    Be nice today everyone (((Hugs))) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bacf52404acd7cd9e6737fe88ad78d37da719762a238731fa238e1392db78812.jpg

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      You are so very nice tigger, and so is your truck. Sorry to have to say bye to it. Keep in touch. Hugs!

    • Alice Graves

      Tigger if you’re losing your truck I’ll donate $100 for you to keep it, if somebody else has the expertise to set up a Go Fund Me type account. I don’t know how to do that.

      So many of us are so world weary and need some infusions of sweetness and well meaning, like your message, to counteract the toxicity we’re all experiencing in this world right now.

      Let me know where to transfer the funds. Bless your heart.

      • Thank you Alice. You are very kind. I’m losing my truck buy choice. I have some trouble to stir up with my new RV I’m moving into. If I need funds for said travel it will be via FB messenger which charges nothing for you or me. The fund-me sight charges 7.9% from what I gathered. No way would I ask for funds like that. Anyway I’m getting by on SS ok but when I start to travel and cause trouble with my banners all over my rig I may need some help. If so my FB page is Cece Smith or something like that. I will be posting updates there as it’s easy for me to use even on my phone. Thank you for caring.

        • Alice Graves

          I’m not on FB and don’t think I will be, but let me know where I can send a $100 gift card – it’s a pre-paid debit card you can use just like a regular credit card.

          You can use it for your next trip.

  • Graham

    London tower tragedy. Tee shirted volunteers offering real support. Not Scientology Vulture Ministers, but a genuine charity based in the Muslim community.

    https://twitter.com/Haroon_Mota/status/875363265701871620/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Flive%2Fuk-england-london-40239008

    • Chee Chalker

      I swear if I see any pictures of those vultures handing out their propoganda pamphlets, I just
      might lose it.
      “Look LRH tells us to have proper hygenie – problems solved!”

    • I saw that tweet on the BBC coverage at the time, and followed the link. I didn’t mention it at the time, because I thought some here might wrongly assume that the Muslim people were doing the same as the VM’s.

      That’s another evil aspect of Scientology. It damages pubic trust in those who are genuinely trying to do good.

      It corrupts everything.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Someone we know works for the London Fire Brigade and was fighting the fire at Grenfell Tower for hours and hours. He is the firefighter filmed by the BBC sitting on the ground covered in soot, exhausted and crying. He posted today about the local community and the volunteers saying he had never witnessed such generosity of spirit.

  • Ben Franklin

    Remember Marty trying to deny that CoS used radio scanners to spy on people?. Well, here is Marty himself admitting on camera that CoS hired spies used radio scanners to listen in on Pat Broeker’s conversations on his cordless phone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3gU3xaIrM

    • Marty 2017 thinks that Marty 2009 is a stark-staring liar.

    • Kestrel

      Selective memory. Almost as good as selective hearing.

    • PeaceMaker

      Ben, thanks for that. I think that there is some great crowdsourced work going on here, because we all remember or have an idea where to find particular pieces of the puzzle. And we know how to use google to fact-check – apparently unlike a certain person who seems to think he’s a smarty-pants.

      Starting at 2:35, Rathbun says “My investigator [who had befriended Broeker] bought Pat a phone, that’s a cordless….because we had done some research and found out that you could be several hundred yards away from the house and if you had a police or a radio scanner, you could pick up that signal.”

      While the subject here is cordless phones, it has also been conclusively documented – and can be seen by anyone for themselves, if they google it – that early cell phone signals could be picked up by scanners, too.

    • Graham

      “We literally recorded all his conversations for probably a year period” There ya have it.

    • Chee Chalker

      I think we are being punked

    • Tony Ortega

      Yeah, but he was talking about cordless phones in that video. In the current one, he’s specifically denying that Gary was listening in on cell phone calls on his scanner. That’s why I asked Gary multiple times to make sure that he was hearing both on his scanner — at least in those early years of cell phones.

      • mark

        That was probably about the same time the phone calls of Prince Charles were intercepted and leaked the same way. in the UK.

      • Ben Franklin

        Some radio scanners back then were modified by some to tune in on cell phone frequencies as well, not just cordless phones. The practice was eventually banned by federal law but some people still did it anyway, especially, private investigators. Nowadays I don’t believe you can use the same type of scanner to listen in on cell phone conversations because cell phone transmission is now mostly digital instead of analog.

  • Bob Crouch

    How did “captain” Davey get Rathbun to debase himself like this? Watching Marty’s body language and hang dog face is truly saddening.

    At least twice in every video, he takes a pause and assumes this look of “Dave is NOT going to make me say THIS shit too”–and yet, out comes the next whopper.

    I wonder: Where is Monique? Being held with Shelly, perhaps? Having his wife and son being held hostage by the cult is one of the few reasons I can imagine why Marty would be submitting to this “the hostage makes a ‘voluntary’ statement” routine.

    • Chee Chalker

      She’s either a hostage or counting the money along with Marty

    • Such theories are not necessary once you acknowledge that people like Marty just don’t take that much corrupting. They will follow their own self-interest and then rationalise it afterwards.

      Money is enough for him.

      • Bob Crouch

        True enough. But I was not so much speculating on Marty as I was on the evils the cult would resort to in order to get its way.

        Maybe he is as corruptible as you say. However, its also quite clear that he thinks quite highly of himself. And it can’t be lost on him that he is publicly being made into Miscavige’s bitch!

        • I think he used his wife’s case as leverage to make a deal. Once again, he thought he could square the circle – and belatedly realised that he had come off badly. Sheer hubris.

          I think he is so uncomfortable in the video because he didn’t want to say the things that were in his script. However, despite his vanity, he did it anyway – so there is some compulsion there – probably, he simply does not want people to know that he has been bought.

    • sizzle8

      Someone commented a couple of days ago that he’s not wearing a wedding ring. I don’t think it means anything.
      I checked a few videos from a few years ago and neither Marty or Monique are wearing rings.

      • Bob Crouch

        I agree. That whole “wedding ring” speculation bit is completely pointless.

        My question was simply: HOW did the cult get to him. Frankly, it’s mostly a rhetorical question; I don’t believe for a moment that we will ever know; unless Marty flips yet again but then who would believe anything he says at such a point.

    • EDN/laineybin

      I guess I’m just surprised that given Marty’s history, this would be considered “debasing” himself. He’s done some incredibly awful, nasty and hurtful things without true acknowledgment or apology. He was/is proud of what he accomplished as the second in command of $CN and has always, at least in my opinion, been quite proud of this. He’s also seemed inordinately proud of his role as “chief go to guy for anything $CN related” out here in the world, well at least until Leah and Mike usurped his role – and that’s why he’s once again showing his true colors.

      Not arguing, just curious as so many people think this way.

      • Bob Crouch

        When it comes “debasing” I am NOT saying that this is Marty’s first rodeo.

        However, what makes this worse: Marty spent years pontificating about all kinds of things. Typically, he expressed opposition to AT LEAST the “church.” Later, he outright rejected its ideology as well.

        No matter how the cult got to him, Marty is now eating his words and walking back yeas of blog writings. Pretty debasing!

        • EDN/laineybin

          I understand completely and realize it’s a bit sad to be figuring out which of his actions are the most debased!!

          • Bob Crouch

            True dat

  • outraged

    Marty vomited out this whole mess at once, then someone or thing cut it up into bite sized pieces.
    So….we would have time to savor the flavor? Blech

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d3c9d16e71f0168ccebb7f9bf33800922fbc07312a2872df5755e6e3db4d34e.png

    • Hmmm . . . not so sure whether someone else cut it up into bits or whether Marty did it himself. Either way, its classic Scientology tech. You know, introduce the concepts in a gradient format, each gradient leading further and further away from sanity until, eventually, you get a few people sitting around on their own duplicating the Xenu story to body thetans.

    • Is he wearing the same shirt through the whole thing?

      • Silence of the Clams

        It’s just one video that goes on forever and ever. That’s how we know Scientology produced it. All they did was cut it up because ‘normal’ people won’t sit through an hour of Marty spinning lies.

        • Robert Hanna Moore

          That’s convenient. Watch one, you’ve seen em all.

      • lynn

        yes, but more astonishing he went through a weeks worth of underoos.

      • outraged

        Yep, and the collar is equally tilted.

    • view count: stat crash 🙂

  • Mockingbird

    David Miscavige himself described a billion dollar tax bill ! So now Marty Rathbun contradicts himself AND David Miscavige ! Straight to the RPF for you Marty !

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Woohoo! Chris Shelton has just done a live video test in preparation for Howdycon and his live Q&A with Aaron Smith-Levin. Xenu, you are merciful indeed.

    https://youtu.be/Q_iUbc3KWKw?t=2m2s

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  • Scott Gordon

    Yes, Victoria made an excellent observation and asked a great question (and then Tony interprets the possible answer his way).

    The answer is found on the Scientology timeline which, if you’d been more observant, Tony, Marty pointed to this important context of time.

    The Wollershiem case was soon after the reorganization [of the Guardian’s Office], and policy was very strict at that time.

    Marty has in the video series of the Tampa Bay Times Truth Rundown, pointed out the radical changes in David Miscavige with regards to his terror of being implicated in the Lisa McPherson case (which if you notice, Marty describes as a murder and points to David Miscavige on an article that remains in place despite his supposed “defection” back to the church).

    In this new context, Miscavige was so desperate that he bypassed the rules and went straight back into Guardian’s Office tactics that he knew well could be employed.

    Marty is probably not lying about either case. One has to place these two events in context of the time and circumstances they occurred.

    • I guess . . . sorta . . . kinda . . . maybe . . . I mean, if reality is agreement then anything is possible.

    • Noesis

      Lol.

    • Mockingbird

      I have trouble fathoming anyone with extensive exposure to relevant information outside the Scientology cult defending Marty Rathbun or Hubbard or the technology.

      • Noesis

        He’s trolling. Former OSA / now an Indie.

        Take a look at his earlier comments and his Watchful Navigator website.

        Yawn.

        • Observer

          And that’s why I blocked him. Hubbard provides quite enough verbal sludge and self-serving feats of sophistry, thank you.

          • Missionary Kid

            Only sludge? More like toxic biological and radioactive waste dressed up to look like a Happy Meal.

            • Observer

              Whenever I read anything Hubs and his apologists write I get a mental image of thick, malodorous sludge oozing out of a drainpipe.

        • Mockingbird

          Watchful Navigator?

    • Joe

      I’m gonna go ahead and say there’s as much difference between the GO and OSA as there is between sweet potatoes and yams.

      • mark

        yams adhere to a much higher ethical standard. Sweet potatoes are all criminal and SP

    • Jeb Burton

      Let me guess. You talk Scientology. An ex or current? Tell the truth.

    • Tony Ortega

      You forgot to explain how the CIA’s MK Ultra agents use time dilation so that Marty’s statements are true for a few hours every other Thursday.

      • So true. Marty provided this info to Billy Pilgrim who passed it on to Scott Gordon before and after this took place.

        • stanrogers

          So how does Montana figure into this, Phil?

          • Haa! So cool that you got the Billy Pilgrim reference. Yes, Montana and Billy had a baby girl who becomes the reincarnation of L Ron Hubbard. And don’t give me anything on the dates not matching. We’re talking about time crunches here.

            • J. Swift

              Come on Phil! Spit out your withhold on the group! You’re an OTXXVIII time-traveling shape-shifting hippie who’s here to mess with our heads.

            • Damn. Busted.

            • Mockingbird

              That’s an awful lot like Freezoners’ doctrine from Captain Bill’s org. I am not kidding.

      • flyonthewall

        you took an oath to never reveal that.

      • J. Swift

        Point of Clarification: When LRH visited Mike & Virginia’s house in 1999 and ordered Mike to reinstate HASI, Ron made it clear that CIA’s MK Ultra agents had to submit a CSW before they could use time dilation so that Marty’s statements would be true for a few hours every other Thursday.

        • Mockingbird

          I feel like someone here THINKS they are in a bad sci-fi movie derivative of the Matrix, Terminator and 1984.

      • Mockingbird

        Are you picking on the mentally ill ? I am lost here.

    • The introspection rundown came straight from Hubbard. Following Hubbard’s explicit instructions killed Lisa McPherson.

      Has the introspection rundown ever been ‘reorganised’ of is that still still out there, ready to kill again, just because a guru worshipped by people who can’t see the obvious mandated it?

      Of course… you would say that it was Miscavige’s corrupt tech that killed Lisa, and Hubbard was a saint who presided over Camelot – and rationalise this nonsense any which way you can. Nothing wrong with Scientology – it’s all DM.

      That’s so wrong and so deluded.

    • J. Swift

      Scott, you contradict yourself. You say that “soon after the reorganization [of the Guardian’s Office], and policy was very strict at that time” and then you say “In this new context, Miscavige was so desperate that he bypassed the rules and went straight back into Guardian’s Office tactics that he knew well could be employed.”

      You can’t have it both ways. You can’t have strict new rules that Miscavige can bypass at will. The truth of the matter is that any “strict new rules” were window-dressing and that it was business as usual. The GO crims were never purged. Many of them simply worked out of David Morse & Associates.

      Snow White GO Program Ops Linda Hamel was not purged and became CO OSA INT after Mike Rinder blew.

      • John McGhee

        Marty’s only fan, talking in riddles and tripping himself up every bit as much as Marty 👍😂😂

      • Scott Gordon

        1982 is not 1996.

        If you think Miscavige does not break rules when he wants then you are very naive.

  • Observer

    It’s almost worth the Marty fatigue to see how these stories are riling up the Clampire.

    ETA: and here come the indie Marty apologists!

  • Princess Poopypants

    I can’t help feeling just the tiniest inkling of sadness and pity for Marty, in a motherly way.
    Until I remember the only dealings I had with him in the Sea Org (never met him since) when he was in RTC, standing over me with “holier than thou” attitude.
    Meh. Fend for yourself. You built it. You live it.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “You smelt it, you dealt it” – as 8-year-old boys everywhere will attest. Along with “whoever denied it supplied it”, which also works.

      • Kestrel

        I have to admit there are times when my 8-year-old self appears out of nowhere.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Mine is never far away 🙂

        • JJ

          Brother came over and helped me clean out Mom’s garage. He burped on accident, I burp talked on purpose. Duh.

  • Mockingbird

    Ugh. Marty Rathbun is the intellectual equivalent of a flat earther with the moral level of a Holocaust denier.

    In part 12 of his journey to purgatory Marty Rathbun says the religion issue was settled. I concur. Here’s Hubbard on the issue:

    The Creation of Human Ability, L. Ron Hubbard, 1953.

    “Society, thirsting for more control of more people substitutes religion
    for the spirit, the body for the soul, an identity for the individual
    and science and data for truth. In this direction lies insanity,
    increasing slavery, less knowingness, greater scarcity and less society.

    “Scientology has opened the gates to a better World. It is not a
    psycho-therapy nor a religion. It is a body of knowledge which, when
    properly used, gives freedom and truth to the individual.”

    So, back to the RPF for you Marty !

    • org-rat 1003

      Wow, that’s an awesome quote! Are even Scientologists Allowed to read that or has it been altered by Miscavige for tax purposes? I mean is it current standard Miscavige tech or is it an sp’s attempt to send us all back into the xenu age through the cunning use of miss transcription.

      • Ben Franklin

        Yep, it was not a religion until Hubbard discovered that he can get away with “murder” in courts and make a lot of money if he only referred to the whole thing as a religion.

        http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mcx44pQrudU/UsAaAgQS7gI/AAAAAAAAFLs/W8LMI2fjZ7U/s1600/notareligion.jpg

        • org-rat 1003

          But what I mean is, does Author Services inc publish the book you’ve quoted from unaltered for current Scientologists to read. I suppose I shouldn’t be so surprised if it is: contradiction is water off a ducks back in the COS: I just think that THAT DUCK IS BEING WATER BOARDED AND IT MUST STOP NOW! Get Rathbun away from the duck, he’s crazy.

      • Mockingbird

        I believe it “disappeared” from all editions printed after 1971 for some odd reason .

        • org-rat 1003

          Thank you.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Marty has 12 videos out now…and the decline in viewership is steady and profound:

    Video #1 – 4,300+ views
    Video #12 – 248 views.

    248 views. Lol.

    • stanrogers

      He’s vastly increased his potential audience. That’s an upstat.

    • This is all down to Marty using a free WordPress blog, hosted by the company instead of a Scientology site (which would give the game away).

      You can’t host videos directly on the free version, so you have to post them on YouTube and YouTube counts and displays the number of views accurately, whether you like it or not. If they could have used a self-hosted site they could have switched the count off as well as the comments.

      With having to use YouTube, they are stuck with an accurate hit counter and the fact that downvotes now outnumber upvotes.

    • Kestrel

      Maybe by this time next week #12 will have over 5,000 views. Maybe by this time next week I’ll be a multi-millionaire.

      • chukicita

        Maybe my check from Big Pharm will come in the mail.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Joe

      LOL, Vicki is such a ham, I love her.

  • Noesis

    afaceinthecrowd” is a well known and very credible poster on ESMB. He worked directly with Hubbard on a day-to-day basis as well as with most of the senior Scientology execs for two decades, including the era of the Apollo. He knew Marty too, who was just beginning his tenure as “Face” was exiting.

    Below is a link to a great account of observations from “Face” about Marty’s nature decades earlier.

    For those that have not already done so, reading through the ESMB postings of Face (7 years worth) is a tremendous education on the church, its foibles and the personalities that formed the earlier core group.

    Here is the link to the recent post: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?43979-Marty-Rathbun-raises-his-head-and-starts-squawking&p=1144313&viewfull=1#post1144313

  • sizzle8

    I wonder if Miscavige is trying to recreate the way that Nibs went.
    Nibs provided some great insight into his father but, for a number of reasons, he recanted much of what he said.
    Those latter statements have always been somewhat of a cloud over his previous revelations.

    Nowadays with the Internet and multiple sources and corroboration, Marty and Miscavige can’t pull off that one.
    There’s too much out there, too many sources and too much testimony.
    All the misdeeds of Scientology, Hubbard, Miscavige, et al are there for good.

    • flyonthewall

      i like this theory

    • chukicita

      I was thinking about this, too. No better way to neutralize whatever Marty let out of the bag, as well as making sure no one will trust him in the future. It happened with Minton, too.

    • J. Swift

      Sizzle8, I think the prior example of Nibs is a well worth considering. But as you say, Marty can’t do a full recantation so instead he tries to invalidate projects he worked on. However his attempts to invalidate these projects are not credible and only serve to bolster the argument that OSA flipped him.

      • chukicita

        Do you think there might be some kind of policy letter or bulletin outlining this outcome as a way of achieving a corporate goal, with helpful instructions and action items?

  • TexasBroad
    • chukicita

      You know how they make such a mess. I’m not cleaning up any more shed consciences, or piles of steaming cognitive dissonance.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      No. They aren’t litter trained and never shut up with their pointless yapping.
      Throw it back outside and slam the door shut quick.

  • Harmless Weirdo

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/6hdrft/church_of_scientology_raid/

    Huh. I wonder what was going on at the Valley Idle Morgue at 1:30 AM that required a bunch of cops, and a police helicopter shining a spotlight on the building for over an hour.

    • it’s a fairly sketchy neighborhood at 1:30pm on a good day … i can only imagine what was happening at that time of night, but my gut instinct is that it was more than likely unrelated to the church (unless someone got up on the roof/was hiding in the area during a chase or something … it happens) i’m only a few blocks away and there were some ghetto chickens circling overhead yesterday afternoon. looked like “business as usual” when i drove by this morning (scroll for pics)

      • Supper Powers

        Ghetto chickens…chuckle.

        • 😉 i just realized that’s not the common term for what i meant. out here, it evolved from “ghetto birds” which are police helicopters. a ghetto chicken could also be a pigeon or drug dealer. either way, they are all the same difference in this part of town.

          • Kestrel

            We called them “sky pigs” in my youth.

            • Techie

              The famous song “Convoy” by C W McCall calls them “bears in the air”.

              By the time we got into Tulsa Town,
              We had eighty-five trucks in all.
              But they’s a roadblock up on the cloverleaf,
              And them bears was wall-to-wall.
              Yeah, them smokies is thick as bugs on a bumper;
              They even had a bear in the air!

            • chukicita

              We called them “air rats.”

          • Supper Powers

            I inferred what it meant but googled it for good measure.

  • davegrille

    The further Marty goes along his current thread the crazier he appears.

  • How’s that mess of pottage tasting now, Marty? (Don’t try reheating it — it’s already gone off):

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9955925bf6b33c4c914645f67d5b2779b55660c9af7638aeef1c37bae742ebf0.jpg

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      COB is following the Founder’s advice to increase the havingness of the preclear to bring him uptone.

      • Translation for SPs and DBs: Like El Ron, Shortarse resorts to bribery when all else fails.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Bribery is such an ugly word. We in RTC simply think of it as keeping our exchange in with Marty. After all, it wouldn’t be fair of us to have him make these videos without giving him some exchange.

          • Ann B Watson

            💛

          • Mooser42001

            “Bribery is such an ugly word.”

            And “blackmail” an even uglier one.

            • chukicita

              Threatening loved ones is straight up stanky.

  • J. Swift

    Victoria Britton is spot on in what she is saying. Marty’s admissions in the McPherson case when he was deposed by Dandar are something to the IRS, once again, needs to hear about. The McPherson case happened after 1993 tax exemption and the Final Closing Agreement allows for the matter to be reopened in the finding of fraud or malfeasance. Clearly, Rathbun has admitted to the Church violating public policy after gaining tax exemption.

    As I wrote yesterday, what may not occur to people, and it has not occurred to Marty, is that if he is ever put in front of a Grand Jury conducting an investigation into Scn that they will ask him about this video. Marty may think he is untouchable but this video is potentially inculpatory evidence. For me, the video is not a distraction but rather serves to show the points of psychological tension for OSA & Miscavige.

    Much of what Marty has said is taken verbatim from Scn’s hate website on Going Clear. The 1:1 correspondence between what Marty is saying and Scn’s websites serves to add to the preponderance of evidence that Marty cut a deal.

    I will be glad if Marty blathers on ad nauseum because it is self-indicting of his character and pseudo-intellectual pretensions, and, it may even prove to be self-incriminating in the future. I am compiling a dossier of every lie Marty tells and will be forwarding copies appropriately. I want Marty to keep digging the hole he is in deeper and deeper.

    Marty wrote in Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior that there was a conspiracy between himself, David Miscavige, Earle Cooley, and Harry Manion to get Manion close to Judge Londer in the Titchbourne-Christofferson case in Portland.

    • J. Swift

      Illegality and Public Policy Considerations: https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/05/08/the-garcia-vs-scientology-lawsuit-religious-arbitration-vs-illegality-and-public-policy-considerations/

      “All organizations seeking exemption under 501(c)(3) must conform to certain fundamental legal principles applicable to all charitable organizations. Treas. Reg. 1.501(c)(3)-1(d)(2); Rev. Rul. 67-325, 1967-2C.B. 113, 116-7. See also Rev. Rul. 71-447, 1971-2 C.B. 230; Rev. Rul.75-231, 1975-1 C.B. 158. One of these basic charitable principles is that charitable organizations may not engage in behavior that is illegal or violates public policy.

      “The Service views illegality as one of the criteria by which an organization’s activities are evaluated. Rev. Rul. 80-278, 1980-2 C.B. 175, established a three-part test to determine whether an organization’s activities will be considered permissible under 501(c)(3)

      “(1) the purpose of the organization is charitable;

      “(2) the activities are not illegal, contrary to a clearly defined and established public policy, or in conflict with express statutory restrictions; and

      “(3) the activities are in furtherance of the organization’s exempt purpose and are reasonably related to the accomplishment of the purpose.

      “…If an organization has an illegal purpose, it will not qualify for exemption.

      • Techie

        I bow to your superior scholarship and willingness to enter precincts not safe for the faint of heart. But if the attack sites match the Wrath of Bun opus, he must have either supplied the information at the time (in which case he was masterfully hoodwinking Louis Theroux later) or he has completely sold out and is reading from a script. Sad to think this may be possible. A Scientology Warrior at war with himself. Someone else made mention of the similarity to Nibs, his damning condemnation of Hubbard then the later recanting. The story just gets stranger as it goes along, a long strange trip, with strangers lost in a strange land. Possibly the whole thing has reached critical mass, and the latest videos are just a form of Cerenkov radiation, a last hurrah before the entire thing disappears below the event horizon. Alas, poor Marty, we thought we knew him well. http://www.freedawn.co.uk/scientia/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/blackhole-720×340-590×590.jpg

        • J. Swift

          IMO, it’s the latter. Marty is working off a script and has been caught dissembling. In terms of the one billion dollars, as has been stated, that comes straight from Miscavige. Rathbun never previously stated any qualifiers such as “potential liability.” In terms of the IRS tax exemption, Cult attorney Yingling publicly attacked Marty’s credibility:

          Gibney’s crediting his sleazy source, Marty Rathbun, with a major role in the negotiations with the IRS is misplaced: I personally attended every one of the dozens of meetings; Rathbun was little more than a bag carrier, and a poor one at that.

          Here we see Attorney Yingling, a full-fledged Washington DC tax attorney, calling Rathbun a sleazy bag carrier who did not do a good job as a bag carrier. Marty, otoh, essentially makes it sound like he was the Kingpin in making tax exemption happen. But then David Miscavige claimed it was all his doing in the War is Over speech.

          Miscavige consiglere Monique Yingling pulls rank on Marty and slaps him as a sleazy bag carrier. Ouch! Will Marty rebut this slight in his videos?

    • Ann B Watson

      💛💛

  • J. Swift

    Jackson Morehead, Former Int Base Security Chief: The Fire, Razor Fences, and Sniper Rifles!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HC50ZMyvAY&list=PL97bG9F7T-UcZXntD7QHwqfe9gEh4xoRN&index=12

    • I listened to your #2 with Mark yesterday. In it Mark explains how he almost shot a PI. With-out informing Mark – the head of security – Marty hired a PI to penetrate the Hemet base. The whole hour is entertaining. Thx for these Jeff.

      • J. Swift

        Thank you Tigger. These videos are a part of oral and written history of Scientology that so many people, including you, have contributed to over decades. Jackson Morehead is very credible and has a tremendous mind for details. When Marty attacked Jackson’s credibility people who know Jackson were very offended.

  • Harpoona Frittata

    With each new video segment that’s been released, it’s become increasingly likely that, either Mutty purposefully edited this video series to include only those claims that Mutty himself was on public record as taking the exact opposite position on in the past (i.e., Mutty’s Law) or, much more likely, someone else edited the series to create the clear and unambiguous impression that Mutty is a bald-faced, flip-flopping liar who’s fatally undermined his own credibility and personal integrity.

    To me, the clearly intended purpose here appears to be to destroy Mutty’s credibility completely – as an expert witness on $cn court cases; as a trustworthy ally to the $cn reform-seeking community; and even more fundamentally, as an honest individual of high personal integrity and moral scruples. Throw in the sadistic pleasure of coercing Mutty into dead agenting himself and you have just the kind of diabolical vengeance scheme that lil davey would delight in for years to come!

    By selectively editing together choice bits of Mutty’s own personal butt hurt and “make wrong” over not being listened to and accorded the expert status he felt he so rightfully deserved by Wright, Gibney and Theroux, what we end up with is a compilation of Mutty’s “greatest shits” – all of the claims that he’s made which can be directly refuted by his own words which are readily available to the public through his sworn testimony under deposition; in his own written words on his blog and in his books; and now, in the selectively edited video segments that are being dribbled out slowly and with no direct responses to them allowed.

    By closing off any means of responding to the factual claims Mutty makes in these video segments, the larger context of why they were made (which would quickly become clear if we knew the “who, what, where and when” of their filming, editing and publication) appears to have been purposefully omitted at the time of their release and that omission has not been corrected up until now either, despite many folks commenting on the importance of their determination.

    The only possible scenario in which I can plausibly imagine Mutty NOT responding to the tsunamai of contravening dox that Tony and many others here in the Bunker have been quick to provide is if Mutty is being compelled to remain silent as a result of having signed one of $cn’s famous gag agreements in order to settle the Rathbun’s civil case against the cult – an agreement which would have guaranteed that the couple would never be harassed by the cult again, in exchange for Mutty’s legally binding commitment to discontinue any and all public discussion, writing, film making, etc. concerning the cult, including the abandonment of control of his blog to the cherch and the surrendering of all material which could be used in the future by others to attack the cherch and/or its tiny tyrannical ruler.

    Pending the emergence of evidence to the contrary, I suggest that we use Occam’s razor (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor ) in order to cut to the heart of the simplest, yet most comprehensively explanatory theory concerning who posted these video segments and the fundamental purpose they are attempting to accomplish by doing so.

    If we were playing the $cn version of the old-time board game, Clue, then my bet would be that it was lil davey – in concert with his team of high-dollar legal weasels – who killed Mutty’s credibility and support within the $cn-critical community by using his own selectively edited and purposefully organized words to dead agent him, while trying to make it appear as if he’d “killed” himself.

    Why would lil davey + evil minions go through so much effort and expense, merely to utterly destroy an enemy? Well, the answer seems simple here: One of lil davey’s chief delights in this life lies in sadistically maneuvering folks he’s seeking vengeance against into destroying themselves or their own families. Further, by coercing Mutty into destroying his own credibility, it saves the cult the effort in having to do so, if and when, his compelled testimony in any future legal proceeding (e.g., an IRS re-visiting of the cult’s undeserved tax-exempt status) might occur. Now, unless he chooses to violate the terms of his settlement agreement with the cherch, he’s effectively been coerced into dead agenting himself!

    Of course, this is all just a minor and short-lived distraction from the main event here, which involves the continuing demolition of the cult and the exposure of all the many crimes and abuses that it’s most sacred doctrines have compelled its adherents to continue to commit.

    • J. Swift

      HF, Let us not forget that OSA’s footbullets are legendary. Marty is being given some leash in these videos. This is bad according to Marty himself who wrote this in 2002-2003 when he was still in:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/acc2fa13ff633c07fc04963c613c5437a3b806021b917882f46d2de2686a01ff.png

      • J. Swift

        So what I say is this: Party on Marty!

        • Tory Christman

          As I’ve been saying for years now…tick tock, tick tock, TIME is on *our* side.
          Why? Because we…the ex-scios, the critics, the anons, the never ins, ALL deal
          with truth. Those connected to C of $/OSA…HAVE to deal in lies, cover ups, twisted info.
          They are SO deep in now, they have no way out.
          If “dave” thinks MR is going to dig him out….GET OUT THE POPCORN! 🙂

          • ze moo

            What does Marty get out releasing these lies? All he does is destroy and credibility he has/had. That may be the real, intended result.

            I am guessing that Marty threatened to expose something Miscavage did and he got a payout and had to do these vids to permanently render himself non-explosive to Master. Something like destroying Lisa McPherson info? Something to do with getting Medical Examiner to change her cause of death?

            So many crimes, so many ways to get Miscavage’s limited attention span.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Oh, that great little quote deserves a prominent place in the BIG Book of Muttyisms…which, of course, can include faux sayings of his, just so long as they are in the “Spirit of Muttyism”!

        Mutty’s life illustrates how completely he’s failed to follow the old adage, “Never underestimate your enemy, especially when your own worst enemy is yourself!”

      • ze moo

        That is just from his ‘confession’ folder while in the Hole. That is a theme that Dinky Miscreant has spouted ever since Marty escaped.

    • PeaceMaker

      Harpoona, I have to respectfully disagree and suggest that Occam’s Razor would lead us to take the statement in the intro video at face value, that this is “editing room floor” footage that Rathbun had access to as the result of his agreement to participate in some sort of interview or documentary, that first focused on typical critical questions about Scientology, but then let him go ahead and have his say about his issues; and that he’s 60 year old man – possibly starting to lose his mental edge, or even his mental health – stuck in rural Texas fading into obscurity, not only adrift from his longtime important role in the CofS but having failed to create an important role for himself in independent Scientology, now engaging in an attention-getting stunt that generally fits into a longstanding pattern of blogging, interviews, documentary projects and self-published books.

      I don’t entirely rule out something more complex, but I think that the above is the simple, banal explanation.

      To invoke Occam’s Razor like that, has to be done on top of some conspiracy-theory style assumptions, such as that the statements at the beginning of the intro video are a calculated misdirection, but that somehow after those contorted assumptions simplicity can then be invoked for the rest of the explanation.

      And if there is misdirection involved, then I think the possibility has to be considered that it is so devious that it is intended to lead people to the sort of conclusions that you outline (which Occam’s Razor implies, are in fact somewhat obvious), and instead is still successfully misdirecting from a yet-unrevealed truth, perhaps one so insidious that any posts revealing it would be deleted from this website (and perhaps already have been).

      • Robert Eckert

        But what “interview or documentary” would this have been? Going Clear and My Scientology Movie can be ruled out because of occasional references to things that are too recent.

        • BosonStark

          It’s from the Joanne Squirrel Buster production of “Oh Maaaty!”

        • PeaceMaker

          Robert, you’re right that we have now seen enough references to identify that the video was shot recently. If the introductory statement is true, it comes from some recent production work that has yet to see the light of day – see my response to Tony for additional details.

          • Robert Eckert

            “it comes from some recent production work that has yet to see the light of day ” This IS the recent production work. There isn’t anything else. Your idea that it was leftovers from Gibney or Theroux was possible when you first advanced it (and is the misimpression I believe the Intro tried to create) but that has been shot down. You are trying to salvage the corpse of “a beautiful theory, foully slain by ugly facts”

            • PeaceMaker

              Robert, only the detail of dating has changed – yes, there’s now conclusive evidence that it is recent work. But it’s still quite clearly set up as coming from the end of filming of some interview with a “you” who we have yet to identify, who as Rathbun says, agreed to give him access to “everything that I told you, all cuts”- see the full transcript in my response to Tony.

              It can be claimed that the whole minute or so fully laying that arrangement out, is just a calculated ruse intended to misdirect – but that involves its own sort of “salvage” of a theory in the face of inconvenient apparent facts.

            • Robert Eckert

              “it’s still quite clearly set up as coming from the end of filming of some interview” That is clearly the portrayal that was being made. Given that there is very little honesty in any of Marty’s statements on any of these videos, there is no reason to presume that it is true.
              “It can be claimed that the whole minute or so fully laying that arrangement out, is just a calculated ruse” Why on earth would we think anything else?
              “that involves its own sort of “salvage” of a theory in the face of inconvenient apparent facts” Like what?

            • Limited Government

              You frequent The UB, Slackivist on Patheos, and Off-topic. Now I understand why you are so out of touch. I am proud of your for reading the Hill, do you like Webb’s recent piece?

            • Robert Eckert

              Those are the places I comment. I read many more.

            • Limited Government

              Please be peaceful and stick to talking. We need to curb the left wing violence before more people are hurt. What can we do to calm down your peers?

            • Robert Eckert

              You’ve never noticed any violence from your side?
              The principal problem with violence in this country is guns in the hands of men who progress from domestic violence to violence against co-workers or strangers. They more often have right-wing views than left-wing, although sometimes their views (such as they are) are too insane for ready classification. The views are not relevant; the background of violent behavior is. Your side has been fighting for decades to make sure that the violent have easy access to firepower.

            • Limited Government

              I didn’t say there wasn’t right wing violence in the past. The difference is we police our own and the occupancies are much less common that Left wing violence. Basically our far-right might be 2% of all republican voters. Close to 50% of your voters align with your violent extremist. For god sakes they just celebrated a terrorist who bombed over a 100 places.

              “The more often have right-wing views than left-wing”. That is a bold face lie. Gun violence is astronomically higher in liberal areas of America. Omar Mateen and his father were big leftists and he killed 50 people at a gay night club.

              My side has been fighting for decades for people to defend themselves. If no one had a gun at that ball field we would have 20+ dead people. If a person wants to kill someone they have more options than a gun. Look at Europe, even though they have total gun control they still have shootings, bombing, stabbing, and car ramming.

              I carry every day for the one in a million chance that you, me or anyone else is in a deadly situation. Your welcome.

      • Tony Ortega

        You keep pushing this theory — that the story in the “intro” segment should be taken at face value, and that this interview is an outtake from some documentary. You were even suggesting that it took place several years ago, which is not the case.

        But how does someone in an outtake actually state, “this is an outtake.” When you’re being interviewed, you have no idea whether or not it’s going to be used.

        There are two possibilities. 1. Marty is telling the truth, and after becoming unhappy with a documentary’s direction, convinced the filmmaker to shoot a new interview for his own use (and yeah, what documentary maker is going to pay for that). Or 2., Marty lied about that just like he lied in virtually every other segment that he subsequently put up.

        Hm. Tough one.

        • PeaceMaker

          Tony, I’ve used the “editing room floor” phrase from Rathbun as a simplified reference to his longer statement about how he was telling “the other side of the story” according to him, to an interviewer or documentarian who he viewed as biased against that perspective, only because as he says “I insisted, and [the video producer] agreed….I have access to everything that I told you, all cuts, and can use it as I see fit and publish it if I want to.” (full transcript at bottom).

          So it’s pretty simple, as Rathbun lays it out: In exchange for his participation in some production that has already been shot, he gets to stay on the set and have the camera continue to roll while he tells his side of the story, and then gets the footage to use.

          There’s certainly some reason to suspect that Rathbun and/or the CofS are up to something more devious here. But that then requires assuming that the whole initial statement is a contrived and calculated misdirection – and that for some reason those actually involved shot such a professional-looking video that it has to be explained away, when Rathbun could for instance have just been set up with a more plausibly amateurish production at his home.

          And yes, I was wrong about the conjecture that this was likely old footage. Even you wrote that Rathbun had gone “back to his 2013 mindset,” and I thought that in conjunction with the lack of reference to anything new and relevant like Aftermath, likely indicated an older production date. The fact that in a subsequent video he referred to “10 years” in a way that would seem to put in in 2014, ten years after he left Scientology, shows that assumptions based on seeming clues can be wrong. But assuming that things are not as they are clearly laid out, is a whole other sort of leap:

          Beginning of Rathbun’s Intro video, per transcription by Texas Broad (thanks TB!):

          “I told you all that stuff that um…about Scientology that’s already been said about Scientology, ad nauseam. And you want to hear the rest of the story; the other side of the story. And I told you that that is a waste of my time. I’ve tried to tell that story and its always wound up on the editing room floor because we have a mimesis problem in this culture which is this obsessive copying like sheep…and it applies to the media; it applies to documentarians that I’ve dealt with. Virtually anything that strays outside of the agreed upon narrative doesn’t see the light of day. So I consider it a colossal waste of time so that’s why, um, I insisted, and you agreed, that if I do that for you, you are going to do it under one condition and that is that if I don’t like where your edit is going, or headed, or being produced, I have access to everything that I told you, all cuts, and can use it as I see fit and publish it if I want to. And since you agreed to that, I agreed to go ahead and tell you.”

      • chukicita

        The videos are all on the same set, right? Can that set be matched to any scene of a film Marty has appeared in? Then how is any of this recent releases “cutting room floor?”

        • PeaceMaker

          chukicita, yes, they’re all on the same set. No one has found any match for it, but the premise would seem to be this comes from some recent production work that has yet to see the light of day – see my response to Tony for additional details.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        No problem, PM, I appreciate differing views because without them it’s difficult to refine my own arguments or, alternatively, to abandon them, based on their demonstrated faultiness.

        I was attempting to make coherent sense of the entire set of otherwise inexplicable events that began with the mystery settlement of the Ratbun’s civil suit against the cherch and which have continued straight on through until today. I was trying to advance the simplest, yet most comprehensive theory that can account for, not just the posting of this video series, but the entire series of events involving Mutty – going all the way back to include a plausible explanation for the Rathbun’s abrupt and private settlement of their civil suit that is also consistent with the posting of this video series.

        We’re missing most of the contextualizing details that would enable us to quickly and definitively understand who posted these Mutty video segments and the poster’s purpose in doing so. I’m arguing that the failure to make these key facts available was no mere oversight, but instead, was purposefully designed to prevent us from tracing these video segments’ provenance, which I believe originated from the cult, not from Mutty.

        Taken at face value, no one is going to be swayed by the lame and easily disproved points that Mutty has been making. Indeed, it’s almost impossible to even conceive of a target audience beside the so-called anti-$cn community or his own small band of Mutty loyalists. In the case of the former, our only real interest is in negating them and providing support for those counter-arguments; while the latter group isn’t even being allowed to lend their support for, or elaborate on them, because no comments at all are being allowed on “his” site.

        Since Mutty has consistently deleted or edited comments to his blog articles in the past that were in disagreement with his positions, and his regular supporters were used to that sort of censorship, there’s really no obvious and sensible reason for barring all comments, given that prior pattern of editorial censorship. Why not allow your “petting zoo” followers to voice their support for your arguments, especially when you could be certain that they would get huge push back and condemnation here and on other $cn-critical sites as well? Makes no sense at all…that is, unless there’s an entirely different agenda at work here

        If there really is no plausible target audience here, then what other purpose could posting these easily shot down arguments possibly serve? I’m suggesting that if the cherch was concerned about the kind of catastrophic damage that Mutty could do to the cherch – and lil davey in particular – if he ever came clean on all that he knows, then the very best way to destroy his credibility as a potential future expert or compelled witness would be to put him in a position where we, the $cn-critical community, are doing that job for the cherch, and doing it a way that is far more thorough and believable than the cherch could ever hope to accomplish.

        Would the Co$ devote the time and resources to ensure that Mutty was perceived as having dead agented himself unintentionally, when in reality the cherch set the entire thing up so that his former allies in the ex-member community would provide the dox to destroy his credibility?
        Of course they would! He’s a far more dangerous enemy than Pat Broecker, and the cult spend millions surveiling him for decades, despite the fact that he’s never publicly taken on the cult since his departure.

    • ze moo

      Distraction may be operative term here. What else is Miscreant trying to hide? The Garcia case is winding up for an actual ‘arbitration’. Can Miscreant use this stuff to recuse any clam selected to ‘arbitrate’?

      Is there something going on with the Laura DeCrescenzo suit? I thought that the next court date for her was in the fall.

      Is someone else telegraphing legal action that depends on Marty? Is Monique Rathbun preparing to re-file her suit?

      Or is it all just DM trolling everyone? If so, Marty Rathbun is just a muppet. After leaking the Israeli email, he has burned his bridges to everywhere. Marty is a better tactician than that. Someone else is pulling the strings.

      Now, with a little help and some good research and journalism {wink, wink, nudge, nudge} we may find out what is going on with the highest ranking defector in Clam history.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Yes, I agree. I was going to continue on to make just that point, but my post was already well beyond the “TL;DR” limit already 😉 Distracting us here with a game of Mystery Sandwich may work for a moment, but we can walk and chew gum here at the same time.

        Currently, my vote is on DM trolling everyone here by making it seem that Mutty is posting these videos, so that we’ll do the work of disproving his points and demolishing his arguments. That way, if the time ever came where Mutty was, say, compelled to testify, concerning how the cult lied to obtain their tax-exempt status, the cult’s lawyers could impeach his credibility by citing evidence that we documented.

        That’s just the kind of fiendishly sadistic crap that makes lil davey hard and wet at the same time. Plus, it foxes us into doing the work for him and lending it the kind of credibility that the cult could never hope to achieve, merely by trotting out its own tired lies about him.

  • chukicita

    ‘Scusi if this has been asked downstream, but…

    Whatever happened to retired judge Robert Beach? Was he ever taken to task for inappropriate clam sauce?

  • Betty

    Wow I never saw anyone age so fast unless he was president.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Honestly, none of this surprises me. I mean, it might have surprised me a couple years ago, before it became so completely normal for people in high places to blatantly spew outright provable lies, directly contradicting things that they said previously (ON VIDEO), and then change their story again and deny they ever said any of it. And half of America simply accepts whatever they say as undisputed truth, regardless of those inconvenient facts or recordings, happy to ignore the actual proof.

    Look, the words “truth” and “fact” and “proof” no longer have any meaning. Marty isn’t doing anything that isn’t being done daily in the halls of our highest government. Why should HE have to be stuck with what he said previously, when he can say something entirely different today and pretend he never said what he said before? If it’s good enough for the White House to do that, it’s good enough for him.

    • chukicita

      This is one of the reasons I want to shine light on Scientology. This behavior does not align with public service, whether church or state, and destroys the integrity of the social contract while fostering a real threat to the idea of democracy. current affairs are providing great opportunity for public discourse and education.

    • BosonStark

      Covfefe — a small group of people know exactly what he meant.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      According to Martha Stout in her the Sociopath Next Door approximately 1 in 25 people are of this condition.
      I say they can be very confused and spread that confusion and malignant behaviour to others.

      There are a number of different contributing factors to the rise and spread of sociopathic behaviour and I think it behooves all of us to be alert to those factors and the harm caused by their existence.
      Watching scientology can be very educational and will hopefully increase our knowledge of and ability address this malaise in our individual, family and social lives.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
    • ze moo

      Dogs playing poker would be almost as topical. It just needs a dog skeleton to make it complete.

  • Robert Hanna Moore

    Rathbun’s marathon of self degradation is alternately disgusting and pitiful . Marty should have opted for the One Hour Minton-ising.

  • Faux Gibbler

    Why should we keep giving Marty attention?

    • Rasha

      Who?

    • Tony Ortega

      Maybe because Rathbun has played at least some part in every major court case we’ve been following here for the last five years, and he’s been a factor in most of the major movies and newspaper series that we’ve paid attention to, and that he was the second highest ranking former church official and probably the single most important defector to speak out publicly. And his vicious attacks since last summer on people who were similarly trying to expose Scientology’s controversies is the single biggest betrayal since Bob Minton was compromised by the church and turned on Ken Dandar and others. And that all of this is happening without a clear reason, and will have unknown future effects on other defectors and their litigation. Add that all up and it’s a compelling story, and one we’re going to continue to cover. Hope you stick around for it.

      • gtsix

        I mean, yeah, there’s all that… but what else? 😉

        • Observer

          lol

      • J. Swift

        I don’t look at Marty’s videos as Part 1, Part 2, etc. I see them as Exhibit 1, Exhibit 2, etc.
        These videos are important on several levels. I understand some people have “Marty Fatigue” but for wonks like me these videos are a forensic gold mine.

        Seriously, this has never happened in Scientology history and we are getting to watch it live.

        • chukicita

          Exactly! So many pages of testimony and deposition to align with completely contrary statements on these dozen golden eggs of video. Where is Jon Stewart’s team? It could be turned into a Howdycon game.

        • Kristen

          I agree. It’s like watching a true crime show.

        • It’s a map to go digging.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Totally agree, we’re walking in the steps of history, both here in bringing down the cult, and on the larger world’s stage, in watching Twump + evil minions channel the ghost of Nixon’s White House (but with big-tittied blondes, product placement opportunities and a lot, a helluva lot, of Ruskies!).

          I’ve given the entire Mutty matter considerable thought at each point along the way, so for me, the unanswered questions that have accumulated concerning what he’s NOT said have grown and deepened over time. This latest Mutty development just adds more of them for me because I don’t believe that Mutty is behind the release of these easily refuted video segments (for reasons that I’ve gone into at length in an earlier post today).

          If it turns out that Mutty is in complete control of this steady rain of mini-video segments, then this is certainly going to be his last moment in anyone’s spotlight before he slinks off the stage to nurse his butt hurt in the company of similarly enraged BTs somewhere (anywhere) else.

          However, on the other hand, if this turns out to be a selectively edited reel of Mutty’s “greatest shits,” which lil davey’s minions created through selective editing and are now in complete control of posting to the internet, then that’s another matter entirely. That’s my current best conjecture; I just don’t buy that Mutty would put out something that abysmally bad and simple to refute without being coerced/bribed/paid to do so because it really does undermine whatever last shreds of credibility and personal integrity that he might have retained until now.

          Mutty’s knowledge of where the bodies are buried with regard to the IRS hustle those two punk criminals pulled off could still come back to bite the cult in the ass, and no mere settlement agreement could shield him from being compelled to testify if push ever came to shove there. So, enlisting the unknowing help of the $cn reform movement in dead agenting Mutty would accomplish something that the cult could never hope to achieve on its own, for obvious reasons.

          Would lil davey go to that much time and trouble just to disguise his hand in Mutty’s seeming self-take down? I thinks so; after all, this is a guy who spent millions to have Pat Broecker surveiled for decades, even though he’s never spoken out critically about $cn.

      • flyonthewall

        I feel bad for Bob though. Not so much for Marty

      • PeaceMaker

        Tony, I’ve been hoping to have a chance to catch your attention and suggest something that came to mind before I even saw today’s piece, that while I think Rathbun should be denied attention if possible, I also think it’s important to take advantage of the opportunity to debunk some of his more specious claims, and call out his revisionism and falsehoods.

        I would suggest, for instance, denying Rathbun mention in the headlines as much as possible, but taking the opportunity to do reviews of Scientology’s and his misdeeds based on the subjects he is taking up when appropriate, and in the process point out how that contradicts what he is now saying. Turn it from an obvious response that might gratify his desire for attention, into a sort of reminder to air the dirty laundry that neither he nor Scientology really wants dredged up – and call him out along the way. Rathbun seems to be on a tear about Wright not having adhered to perfect enough standards of scholarship, so I assume that pointing out his own intellectual sloppiness and outright falsehoods must sting.

        Thanks for all your great work, even if at times I respectfully (I hope) disagree.

      • Supper Powers

        True, but as we struggle to understand the impetus and impact of these videos, it’s just tumult and that eventually becomes uninteresting. We tend to eschew what we can’t understand. I do anyway. I’m kind of dumb like that.

      • AntoniaW

        Absolutely. But also, it helps shine the spotlight on the sinister side of Scientology (not that there’s an unsinister side, IMO). If someone were to escape North Korea, trumpet their defection and then go back to the Gulag State, wouldn’t it say a lot about the reach and power of that state? Wouldn’t the whole world wonder what had been done to such a person?

        Of course we’re fascinated by the Marty saga. One day, I hope our proprietor will be able to tell us what was done to turn the man.

      • Jeb Burton

        I agree. After being hassled by Scientologists downtown, It was the first time I googled them to find out what they were about. The first thing that came up was the Squirrel Busters fiasco. Was totally enthralled and started my ride down the rabbit hole. His website was interesting, he tried too hard to be the smartest guy in the room, eastern philosophy and all that bullshit, but taught me about corporate scientology. It’s how I found the bunker, before Tony became the charismatic leader of the ASC. But I also think that the only people paying attention to him today are the bunkerites. Who the else cares. He was at one time a very important person, but not today.

        • Supper Powers

          I so dislike you, but I upvote you.

          • PattyCakenfeld

            Heh. He’s not always wrong. 🙂

            Pugnacious though he may be, I appreciate Jeb’s willingness to take swipes at the status quo and stand his ground against the resulting heat.

            • Supper Powers

              I abhor his methodology.

      • PattyCakenfeld

        I acknowledge Rathbun’s historical importance but am still thoroughly bored by him.

        • Robert Eckert

          I watched the Intro, laughed at his dry-mouth. Watched a minute, maybe, of Part 2, realized I had missed a Part 1, decided I wasn’t going to be bothered. I’m done. One day maybe Tony gets the Real Inside Story of what the hell happened, but until then I don’t care anymore.

      • Faux Gibbler

        I know. But you drive traffic to his videos. Personally I would never have known about his videos.

      • Faux Gibbler

        Do you see my point Tony?
        You only drive traffic to his videos.

        I hope so.
        Of course I will stick around.
        I love what you do.

  • Whitney

    Has anyone seen this? The counter-attack on Tom Cruise’s reputation has started.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/19-unsettlingly-nice-tom-cruise-stories.html

    • JJ

      Well, no worries then. All the good wipes out what ever must be coming down the pipe…

    • Observer

      I wonder what his PR people coughed up for it.

      • JJ

        I wonder why? No one really cares about The Mummy, is something else happening?

        • Observer

          Try to fix some of the damage he’s done to himself with his Scientology asshattery, maybe? I think it may be too late for that.

          • JJ

            It is so weird we talk and speculate on why people do certain things. I bet sometimes even they don’t know why they do things. Major stuff sure, big decisions to make their lives better or cover their ass for some malfeasance but who knows, day to day why anyone does anything. But with a controlling image conscious (uber private person) like TC there is usually a method to the madness. If EVERYTHING is a calculated move than there is something to it. I guess we find out… in a year or two, maybe.

          • JJ

            http://variety.com/2017/film/news/the-mummy-meltdown-tom-cruise-1202465742/

            Ouch and then there is that. You want to “leave em wanting more” but little snips like “laughably described as a young man type” nudge nudge and “waning star power”, That has go to hurt. Maybe he will slip more into CoS, if his whole identity is as a Major Movie Star and A Primo Scientologist the loss of either would be a psychological blow of enormous proportions. Whether he believes in Psychology or not. If you wanna be the young hot hero star and the world is moving on from you as you turn sixty, no matter how flat your abs are…it is gonna be a pain.

            Film wise if TC could get over trying to be 25 and do parts that require more time on dialog than time at the gym maybe he can “age gracefully” in Hollywood, as gracefully as Hollywood lets anyone age that is. As for CoS, he may as well just stick with it. I don’t think he was someone who ever really thought for himself about anything, he not only drank the cool aid he went to the store and bought it, mixed it up at home, saw the cloying bizarre colour and drank it down anyway. It can be too late to pump your stomach…

        • PeaceMaker

          Cruise needs to do much better with his movie being released early this fall, or he’s really going to start getting written off as a has-been.

      • Whitney

        I bet they had to pay extra for the article without comments

    • Chee Chalker

      Yeah….he’s a real saint and hero:

      “The actor sent the yacht’s skiff to rescue the people aboard…..”

      Translation – he sent someone else to take people off a burning boat. Yes, his job is as hard as a soldier’s.

      He’s a jackass

      • Mooser42001

        It is an obligation to offer assistance to distressed boats. I think the Capt. of the yacht would have done that no matter what Cruise said.

  • J. Swift

    I was using the Google to find LRH’s quote “50,000 years of thinking men” and came across a Scientologist on some wannabe Craigslist site using that as a tagline in an ad:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/42a766e58b0e38d283fd8461190f1ca6387fa180c8052b64ace357a766e3439d.png

    • Tory Christman

      And to those that don’t know..L Ron Hubbard wrote many Scales. One was called
      “The Know to Mystery Scale”. Guess where Thinking was on it? Near the BOTTOM.

  • Tony Ortega

    Hm. Guess Marty missed this news story back in 1996…

    http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/01/13/tape/index.shtml

    • flyonthewall

      utter bullshit

      didn’t happen

      • Observer

        ISWYTD

    • GrangerFX

      I vaguely remember that in 1996, cell phones used a mixture of digital 2G in cities and analog cellular everywhere else. Cell phones could switch from one to the other. People felt that the voice quality was better in analog areas but their batteries lasted much longer where there was digital so digital won the day.

  • OOkpik

    Morty is being held captive at SuMP until he ruins himself utterly.

    • flyonthewall

      Rick will save him. Rick always saves the day

    • GrangerFX

      They only feed him rue.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Rue. The spawn of sad salmon? Or New Orleans cooking lite? Regret with less calories? Weak sauce?

        • GrangerFX

          Not sure where it comes from but it’s very bitter.

          • Puget Buckeye

            You can find it on just about any street in Paris.

            • Supper Powers

              Cute.

  • Tory Christman

    My 10 cents…too long to write out:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khTjnJ1aRn4

    • TexasBroad

      We prefer to see your sweet face anyway.

    • Syd

      I need to know why you never age!

    • iampissed

      I’d rather watch your 10 to Marty’s……who knows

    • iampissed

      I for one would never mess with you…..would you be my Aunt.

  • edge

    O/T, but Variety has a none-too-flattering article about the Tom Cruise flop that is The Mummy. Basically saying that the Big Being TC strong-armed his way into being the production’s de-facto boss and using it to become, much like every other TC movie, a vehicle to make himself look good.

    • PeaceMaker

      Thanks – but could you please provide a link?

      I’ve been meaning to post this related piece, from a couple of days ago:

      Tom Cruise: A Star in Slow-Motion Career Meltdown
      https://variety.com/2017/film/columns/tom-cruise-career-meltdown-the-mummy-1202461441/

      “The middling Cruise movies are stacking up, and over the last 10 years he has squandered his star capital with them.”

      “The movies that Cruise has made since then — “Knight and Day,” “Oblivion,” etc. — have played like imitation Tom Cruise movies, and that’s because the thing that they’re mimicking, as if it were there in the way it always has been, is his identity as a superstar. Another big summer movie, another franchise, another brand boost, another countdown to the opening-weekend gross — and even if those numbers are not what they used to be (“Jack Reacher”: $22 million, “Knight and Day”: $20 million, “The Mummy”: $31 million), at least they look like they’re in the blockbuster ballpark; globally, the final tallies often are.”

      The piece looks to me, like a description that Cruise is following the Scientology formula: focus on sticking with laser-like intensity to hype and salesmanship in order to make as much money as possible while the getting is good, but then end up stuck with a limited ability to adapt and change, locked onto a trajectory towards long-term failure.

    • BosonStark

      It’s not Tom Cruise’s fault he thought The Mummy was going to be about his mother. The woman was a saint. She raised three daughters and a son with a severe learning disability. Besides, it’s going to gross $300 million in China.

  • flyonthewall
  • Still_On_Your_Side

    On top of being boring, Rathbun is now attempting to use Joseph Goebbels “big lie” philosophy to reinvent his past. This philosophy claims that if a public figure uses big lies, and numerous lies, the average person will believe it since no politician or public figure “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” It is not working for the White House, so why does Rathbun think it will work for him, especially when there is such a large paper trail proving he is lying?

  • Mick Roberts

    Sorry if already posted by someone else, but in reference to Marty’s semantics over the billion dollar tax bill……in this AGP video of the “War is Over” event, at 1:31:53, we hear David Miscavige say this:

    “There will be no billion dollar tax bill which we can’t pay.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uumuuQm5eQ

    • Ahem.

    • Noesis

      Yingling (who is primarily a tax attorney) also referenced a “billion dollar” tax bill.

      Marty is just a liar.

      The billion dollar question is – why is he lying now?

  • I am sick and tired of people who complain that other people make money. I don’t know whether Tony makes money off of this blog or not. But whether he does or not doesn’t take away from the importance of what he does and in no way would belittle his contribution to my life and the lives of others. I would hope that Tony at least breaks even at the end of the day between donations and ad revenue.

    I don’t know whether some of the other “famous” ex-Scientologists make money off of what they do either. Even if they do, there is nothing wrong with that. It doesn’t take away from what they do. People who provide a service deserve to make money off of it. If you’re complaining about that it just screams envy and jealousy. After listening to Marty’s intro video, it’s clear to me that his whole complaint is that the ‘troika’ are profiting off of the ex-Scientology work that they do.

    There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with making a profit if you are providing a valuable service to a community of people. There is a problem with making a profit when you use slavery to keep your overhead costs down. There is a problem with making a profit and not delivering on what you promised. There is also a problem when you are taking advantage of disadvantaged people to make a profit. When you provide a service like daily articles about what is happening in the Scientology-verse, writing a book, writing articles or appearing on TV shows to promote awareness, there is no problem with profiting off of that.

    None of this is to say who or what is profiting off of the ex-Scientology community. It’s simply to say that such a thing (a) does not matter and (b) that making a profit is not inherently a bad thing. Not to mention that people’s finances are deeply personal. I don’t like when people that I don’t know very well ask me how much money I make. I think it’s rude to ask that of someone (provided that it’s not because I’m asking for a loan or credit card). People can use that information to take advantage of you or it can make people jealous.

    Marty is way out of his lane just speaking about profits. On top of that, the whole premise that this intro gives to the successive videos is flawed at its core. I hope that more people find that exposing Scientology is profitable because that means more people will want to expose Scientology.

    • Mick Roberts

      You mean Tony deserves to get more than just $50/week (if he stays out of trouble)? Doesn’t he get his rations of three rice & bean meals and half a roll of toilet paper every day? I mean…..how much more does one need in life? Just greedy……

      • Princess Poopypants

        $50 PER WEEK!?!?! What Sea Org were you in? Damn that’s the rich people Sea Org.

    • Rasha

      Rasha’s goal is to make and save enough money to retire young (ish) and provide for family when I, finally, die. My money goes to my own interests, be they family or causes I care for. I am interested in helping others also make a profit (provide for their own interests and future generations) and follow a logical progression of life.

      If Rasha can create value, it will be shared, along with the learning that made it possible.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      I agree. Profits are not inherently evil, as a matter of fact they can sometimes do good things. I don’t think A & E would have renewed Leah’s program if it had not had good ratings, hence a good profit margin. They are not a charity, they are a business, and I’m glad they found that there is money to be made in exposing Scientology. That’s a good thing for everyone…except Scientology.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I’m so sorry I missed seeing this sooner! There is NOTHING wrong IMHO for people who invest much time into researching, informing, bringing people together, etc. to receive remuneration for their own investment of time and energy!

      We all tend to be very busy so those individuals that spend time to document, reach out, help personal stories get out there to inform the public, whatEVER … even if it’s recounting personal experience to help others on ANY spectrum relate or understand… how is that a BAD thing?!?!

      I’m a never-in and still deal with people I haven’t seen since age 13 selling or throwing parties for the latest MLM items, trying to promote an invention, reselling vintage, antique or “upscaled” items… guys we are ALL trying to support self and families! But especially for those who’ve spent major time in the CO$ and likely given up retirement, college savings, etc. we ALL have our reasons to need or want to sell or promote something to suppprt our respective lives…. if you don’t want to buy what someone’s selling… DON’T! No one is forcing you!

      BUT putting it out there takes courage and there are many trying to rebuild after years of being fleeced – nothing wrong with that either. Ignore M RB and his attacks… many of us WANT to know what others are doing so we can support those efforts! The rest that don’t? That’s ok too… we’re not in the bubble and no one will judge you if you choose NOT to participate. But please don’t judge because we all have our own respective circumstances!

  • What’sup

    Remind me never to turn a private email over to Scientology.

    Tenacious T.

  • “Using the Haggis connection to insinuate himself into the drama field.” Marty thinks he speaks good. He does not. Couldn’t even be bothered to correct himself through the editing process.

    • mockingbird

      He has a lot bigger problems than “talk good no do, bad speak I do” to deal with.

  • What’sup
    • Robert Eckert

      Yep, you can see it right there at the top: “NOTHING” is written in stone

      • Rasha

        Rasha’s memorial will read: “This Is Written In Stone”

        • iampissed

          Pissed’s will be

          So useless to ask me why
          Blow a kiss and say goodbye
          I’ll make it this time
          I’m ready to cross that fine line

          • Rasha

            *learns to play the saxophone*

            • iampissed

              I plays just what I feels

            • Rasha

              *pours the Scotch whiskey*

              …but is already home, so no driving. If you need a ride, I’ll make a call.. ^_^

            • iampissed

              You need to take out the…the

              Pours Scotch whiskey all night long
              And drives behind the wheel
              They have a name for the winners in the world
              I want a name when I lose

              No you would take my keys and threaten me with a nail gun.

            • Rasha

              I gotcha, Deacon Blues…. ^_^

            • iampissed

              Gotcha….and you would take my keys.
              I love your spirit.

            • Rasha

              -_^

        • Observer
          • Rasha

            ^^^^^^ THIS

          • Supper Powers

            I cannot upvote this enough!!!

          • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

            That is fabulous. If I cooked, I would want something like that as a headstone. Wonderful !

          • iampissed

            That is AMAZING

          • iampissed

            Where ever she goes there’s laughter……and Fudge.
            Really what more can ya leave.

          • TexasBroad

            Love love love love!

    • OOkpik
      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Very true.

  • InClearwater

    That entire transcript reads TRUE. That’s what happened, Rathbun. You were telling the truth then, but you are now a disgusting excuse for a human being and a lying sack of shit. I cannot imagine whatever carrot Miscaviage has dangled before you is worth your losing all credibility. I feel sorry for your child and your wife. I hope they both escape from your clutches and go on to lead beautiful lives without you. They will wake up some day to what a horrible person they are connected to and leave you. The sooner the better for them!

    • Supper Powers

      It’s hard to upvote that, but I get you.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      It reads true because it is true. For a brief moment, Marty(r) was telling the truth. The detail, the names, the interwoven threads, the intricacy and the failures and the successes, they all form a fabric. That fabric can be checked against reality, and it feels like reality. He was under oath. And as that oath keeper, he told the truth.

      But Marty(r) the ping pong wizard cannot now create as dense and intricate fabric as it would take to simulate reality. It takes far more interesting and creative minds than his or Miscavige’s or any number of Sea Org Monkeys typing into their Mercury computers for endless of trillions of years to create a narrative that can supplant what has really happened. Instead we have a threadbare tissue of poorly sketched lies that he hopes will forestall judgement. It is a digital mockery and we see it for what it is.

      Even LRH at his finest peak could not create a shore story that would replace the truth Marty(r) has put on record.

      His tissue of lies has the stain of the shitstorm he is reaping.

    • Glen

      I appreciate that you write with deeply held feelings but I guess I wish you weren’t quite this harsh toward another human being. It sounds too close to Jenny at LAX for my comfort.

      • Supper Powers

        Nicely said. We can be angry and disappointed, disgusted and betrayed, but we are not inhuman.

  • Rasha

    Okay, Bunks. Off to bed. Sorry for the lectures, but I got a kick-ass fudge recipe out of it all.

    Love you all. Get y’all packin’ for HowdyCon. Talk atcha tomorrow.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pjtVUZNfWY

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    O/T but related to Scientology Sea Org practices:

    The FBI finally found and arrested Lyle Jeffs yesterday. (Warren Jeffs’ brother and defacto leader of the FLDS who still believe in Warren’s BS) He has been a fugitive for about a year. He was wanted for 12 million dollars worth of fraud involving food stamps. The following statement was in an article on CNN:

    “Families that qualified for federal assistance were allegedly told to turn over their food stamp debit cards and take what they needed from a warehouse of pooled resources called “the bishop’s storehouse.”
    As a result, the federal government alleges, some families subsisted on beans, rice and toast, while high-ranking church members got meat, turkey and seafood.”

    Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? I don’t usually swear but I’m glad they got the bastard. Also, the FBI hunts him down, but Scientology keeps rolling along without FBI investigation? Makes me nuts.

    • Juicer77

      Finally!

  • Shivani33

    Miscavige and Rathbun might have buried the hatchet together, but they buried it deep into Rathbun’s skull. They’re still into la stessa cosa, but like within the mafiosi hierarchy, one has the upper hand. Other than for how he is hanging himself, the content of Rathbun’s words are irrelevant (to me.) Weak, parboiled lies. I do wonder if Rathbun is still allowed to go to Starbucks or anywhere else of his own volition. Where is he being held in the prison of belief? Can he phone for takeout? With or without handlers? And how about his family? Are they all right?

  • Supper Powers

    Just a small point, Marty’s Logorrhoea still hasn’t interested the regular media outlets. Notta one.

  • Mick Roberts

    I know you all have been on pins & needles just waiting for an update on this. And it’s finally here! Enjoy Bunker mates!

    • Supper Powers

      Lucky number 13.

    • PeaceMaker

      Jeezus, is Rathbun really announcing these on Twitter? Anyway, thanks for the heads-up.

      The whole video is still going on about the IRS. He’s obsessing about the scrutiny given to Scientology, forgetting the earlier history that he was not party to – Hubbard’s inurement with suitcases of cash and the like, the destruction of documents to hide that malfeasance from the IRS, and so on. I’ll be interested to see how those with more ready access to the facts, can deconstruct his claims.

      Except, he makes an aside about how he looked back and put together the conspiracy theory that somehow Wright was laying the ground for everything that came after – and he drops the names of Gibney, Ortega and Rinder, could those be the figures rounding out the troika? This starts to sort of explain why he has doubled back and focused on things that happened several years ago, though it still seems to me that overall his latching onto such things may be a sign that he is losing it.

      EDIT: Add Ortego to the list of troika prospects – props to the proprietor!

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Whether he’s acting as a lone loon or being puppet mastered by his tiny master, the result for him is going to be the same: discredited, debunked, defrauded and fork-ready…it’s time to color him done!

    • Qbird

      “Never let facts get in the way of your narrative.” says Rathbun.

  • Supper Powers

    Serious question from a person who just don’t git it; Can “Marty” track my IP address when I watch his videos on “his” YouTube channel?

  • Chee Chalker

    Part 13 explains everything
    Dave is nervous about losing tax exempt status.
    Period

    And Tony gets a nice little shout out too

    • Puget Buckeye

      Do you think Marty is doing pre-emptive damage control because the IRS and/or the public is getting wise?

      • Juicer77

        If so he’s doing a supelative job – of convicting himself and the Co$.
        Facepalm.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “That’s a Bingo!”

      No matter what kind of mutually binding agreement that Mutty and lil davey may have reached between the two of them, it won’t protect Mutty if he’s compelled to testify in, say, for example, a court fight with the IRS over the cult’s *cough* completely deserved tax exempt status.

      What better way to destroy Mutty’s credibility as a reliable witness while under oath than to crowd source that job to the Bunker? Has anyone else noticed that whoever put together this reel of Mutty’s “greatest shits” sure made it easy to refute PT Marty with the past words of Marty? It’s a little too easy it seems to me. Plus, these little video snippets seem like they’ve been selectively edited out of a longer interview or set of interviews, it’s very choppy and seemingly heavily edited.

      I’m thinking that getting us to thoroughly discredit Mutty is lil davey’s main game here, with the distraction from other, more important, cult-crushing events being a nice bonus for him.

  • Nat-leficent

    Raise your hand if you feel bad for Marty Rathbun’s wife and kid and the authors and interviewers whose previous work may seem marred by Marty’s new ramblings but other than that — you could not be induced to care a whit.
    http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbhspzE7jk1ror6v2.gif

  • TexasBroad

    OT, but gift emergency. I need a T-shirt that says “Let Me Google That For You” in time for Father’s Day. Ironically, I have Googled it, but haven’t found a place that can ship in time. If you know of anyone that can… Help!

    • Puget Buckeye

      Do they still have T-shirt shops at the mall? Or someplace local you can have it made?

      • TexasBroad

        Will check tomorrow. Hoping a silkscreen place can do a fast turnaround. I do always prefer to shop local, but was thinking online would be faster. Perhaps not the case.

        • Puget Buckeye

          I all else fails, you can give him an IOU card. Or take a lesson from Marty and give him a series of IOU cards. One word at a time.

          • TexasBroad

            Ha!!

        • chukicita

          Silkscreen is hard. Making the shirts isn’t hard, but the setup is time consuming, especially for one shirt. Get a fabric pen and write it on the pocket of a blank tee.

          • TexasBroad

            In true father’s day tradition, I should have our son (now 17) glue it on a shirt in dried macaroni!

    • Supper Powers

      Try Northern Sun or tshirthell dot com?

      • TexasBroad

        Looking now…
        ETA…thank you, but no luck.

    • Vaquera

      Design it on the computer and then go to Staples and grab a pack of Epson Iron On Cool Peel Transfers. (Several companies make something along the same lines.)
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ba2278d9cf6ddaf27c7782c9d4a581abcc012e0ff9f3ddf6f435884ac2e9116.jpg

  • Frodis73

    Okay, I am coming out of my deep depression and serious issues, to say that Marty fucking sucks. These videos, and I haven’t even watched every single one, are downright pathetic.
    Oh, and to the people who keep trying to figure out what project this came from…there is no past project that this series is from…this is a brand new thing. Why would somebody give Marty copies of unused footage? Not to mention the content proves this was filmed after a certain time because of the Fair Game book.
    Marty complaining about not having editorial control of every other interview/movie/doc he participated in is beyond lame. Why would *anybody* give that kind of control over to their subject?? Is he high? If you get interviewed by your shitty local news channel you can’t get control or access to that stuff…yet Marty is all butthurt that somebody like Sweeney or Gibney wouldn’t give him control or access? What planet is he on? Who does he think he is? Tom Cruise? Lol. I always knew he wasn’t the smartest guy in the world, but jebus. Pathetic…absolutely pathetic.
    I miss you guys. xoxo

    • TexasBroad

      Will go back and reread what you posted, but first have to tell you how good it is to see you!! Missed you and xoxoxo back at you!
      Depression sucks (I know) and I hope you’re on the coming out of it side.
      So good to see you

    • Supper Powers

      Hi honey!!!

    • ReallyMGM

      Good to see you. 😊 Hug!

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      Can’t speak to the Marty stuff, but I’m sending you warm vibes and a hug. Don’t minimize the value of rest and care for yourself during this trying time. The Bunker will still be here.

    • Nat-leficent
      • Ben Franklin

        is this cha cha or lambada?

        • JJ

          Might be a rumba. one two three boom, one two three boom.

        • mandymarie20

          Pretty sure it’s the Maltese Mambo

    • Mick Roberts

      Great to see you around again Frodis. You’ve been greatly missed!

    • Kim O’Brien

      psst – if you can still get a ride …you got a free place to stay and someone paid for a dinner . Thoughts ?

    • mandymarie20

      Sending best wishes your way. I hope whatever is troubling you will pass soon. I suffer from depression as well, so I understand the highs and lows. Glad to see you’re back.

    • PeaceMaker

      Frodis, sorry to hear about the depression, and hope you really are on the upswing.

      Yes, it turns out now the videos are recent production, though even Tony had written that Rathbun had gone “back to his 2013 mindset,” which combined with the lack of reference to anything recent in the first videos, did suggest the plausible possibility of an older production date. I’ll be the first to say, that’s a good example of why not to read to much into relatively small things that might seem like solid clues (including Rathbun’s later “10 years” reference when it’s now 13 or 14 years since he got out of Scientology).

      On the other hand, in the intro video, Rathbun starts out for about a minute clearly explaining how he is telling “the other side of the story” to an interviewer or documentarian who he viewed as biased against that perspective, only because as he says “I insisted, and [the video producer] agreed….I have access to everything that I told you, all cuts, and can use it as I see fit and publish it if I want to.” (full transcript in my earlier reply to Tony). Quid pro quo – whoever was doing the project and wanted to interview Rathbun, was only going to get the interview on those terms.

      If that’s not plausible, then why have has it been inserted as misdirection by people supposedly clever enough to engage in calculated manipulation like that in the first place? And why didn’t the puppetmasters do something like a more amateurish video production, that wouldn’t have raised questions that required misdirection to begin with?

      Most importantly, I think all this leads to the conclusion that whatever is really going on, Rathbun ought to be treated like a sad case, not given the credit his unjustly bloated sense of self-importance apparently craves; and also ignored as much as possible, not given the attention he apparently seeks. The conclusion under any scenario, is that he’s not to be trusted going forward, and it can’t be known what agenda he might be forwarding or who he might be working for or with – and if even if could, he still couldn’t be relied up not to change allegiances. Theorizing about Rathbun’s motives is not important to figuring out how to move forward on important issues, like ending Scientology’s abuses. If at some point clear facts emerge about what going on, then we’ll have something to discuss – briefly.

      It’s too bad we can’t all get together at HowdyCon, I think that after a few beers or whatever, and a couple of arguments, we’d all agree to disagree, and to just drop Rathbun like a bad habit.

    • What’sup

      Thinking of you, ol’ mate. May you find your happiness

    • Glen

      Always nice to see you here, Frodis.

    • Liberated

      Hi Frodis 🙂

    • madame duran

      Please don’t isolate yourself in your depression. I hope there is a back channel or a support group (Bunker-based or not) that you’re using to reach out for help when you’re not visible here. You’ve been greatly missed. Anyone or any inside voice who tells you otherwise is FALSE. **hugs**

      If you can’t be here every day, we understand. However, a “check-in” post once a week or every other week would be assuring (could also be done on Twitter, Facebook, ESMB). Nice to see you posting again.

    • UhLasare

      {{{HUGS}}} Frodis. I am sorry you’re experiencing heavy depression and serious issues. Hoping for healing for you.

    • Juicer77

      Good to see you, Frodis. Please make sure you are getting good treatment and have supportive people around you. Xoxo

    • Paul V. Tupointeau
    • ExCult.Jan
    • Robert Eckert

      Hey babe, still wish you could come xoxo

    • JaxNGold

      Really glad to see you back. Sorry to hear you’ve been dealing with depression and other serious issues. You and I have a very similar past, so if it has something to do with that…well, I don’t wanna overstep my bounds..just hope you’re ok.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Missed you Frodis. I’m glad your back. Depression is a damn bitch.
      Take care of yourself as best you can. Hugs.

    • TexasBroad

      Sneaking back here to yesterday to throw another hug your way.
      (((Hugs))) – and kisses too!

  • Supper Powers

    Shelton is also trying out the live Q&A format. He’s testing his rig for a live steam he will do with Aaron. In this test he mentions Marty around the 9 minute mark.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_iUbc3KWKw&itct=CBEQpDAYASITCKv7ksaqwdQCFQNJAwod6nwNIjIGcmVsbWZ1SMe65t7K4KeBsAE%3D
    P

  • GrXzLbrk

    Nibsbun is finished as an expert witness or interviewee. He’s thrown a grenade right into his own front yard. Steve Mango has speculated that Nibsbun might have settled and agreed to an ongoing regular Co$ payment of some kind.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Finished as an expert witness and as a talk show host, that is…unless he goes back to work for the cult as a re-convert who’s come home to the cherch.

  • Kim O’Brien

    If anyone sees Jennyfuur …..can you please have her email me ? Pretty please ?

    kimob924@gmail.com

    • richelieu jr

      Darlin’, don’t leave your address up here for long, OSA probably has it any way, but dataminers don’t. At least write “AT” instead of the little symbol too!

  • Mick Roberts

    Ok, just watched the Rathbun video and I need some help finding something.

    Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the main point he’s trying to get across in this video, but it sounds very much to me like he is basically trying to say that their battle with the IRS was actually conducted in a more civilized manner using documentation to prove their case, without “having a gun to their head”. In other words, he seems to be back-tracking heavily on the claims that multiple lawsuits were filed against not just the IRS as a whole, but individual agents and that PI’s were hired to try to dig up dirt on them.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe I remember somewhere (Going Clear doc, the IDE special, etc.) that Rathbun stated that Miscavige told the IRS commissioner that if they were granted tax exemption, he would make all the lawsuits go away. Rathbun then said that someone (maybe the commissioner) pulled him aside and asked him something like “is he serious?” or “will he really do that?” or something, and Rathbun told this person “Yes”.

    Does anyone remember him saying that somewhere? I thought it was Going Clear, but when I try to search for a video with Going Clear and Marty so I can find some clips (without watching the entire thing again), most of the videos that pull up first are CofS attack videos on the subject (guess they employed their Google-spam tech or whatever to get those videos to appear at the top).

    Just trying to find that video so I can compare what his own “narrative” was then to what he’s saying now.

    • PeaceMaker

      Mick, you’re right that’s somewhere – though I’m not the one to tell you where, sad to say.

      I do want to note that as far as his point, I think you need to take into account that Rathbun is engaging in more revisionism and ignoring all the really ugly stuff that went on before he came on the scene, that caused the CofS to lose its tax exemption originally (1967, I believe), really made enemies of the IRS in typical Scientology fashion by obstructing and attacking them, and gave the IRS very good reason to be tougher on the CofS than any other organization they had ever dealt with.

      • Mick Roberts

        Perhaps, but he really seems like he’s saying that their battle with the IRS was justified and was fought fairly.

        Also, if he had a problem with Wright leaving this stuff out, why didn’t he bring this stuff up in the Gibney documentary? From all I could find, he had nothing but glowing reviews on Gibney’s documentary, which came out well after Wright’s book (his target of attack in these recent videos).

        • JJ

          He may see it that way if he really believes Scientology is a legitimate religion deserving of those protections, or if he is an ‘ends justifies the means’ sort.

        • PeaceMaker

          Mick, Rathbun may be claiming that the battle with the IRS was justified and fair, and it might have seemed that way from the point that he was brought in on it – though I think that regardless, there is end-justifies-the-means apologism about some of Scientology’s tactics, justifying being unfair – but that it is rather different when seen as a whole history, which is probably how Wright saw it.

          It looks to me like Rathbun is engaging in some revisionist history regarding the projects that he participated in and even supported, that shades into cognitive dissonance if not even mental illness. It’s also telling that in the latest video, he essentially says that he has looked back and decided that he was sucked into participating in, if not being a patsy of, a conspiracy. That’s the Hubbardian, Scientological narcissistic play of finding the “who,” someone to blame – and then claiming that they’ve been a scheming traitor all along, and responsible for all sorts of past problems – that is also seen at work in the attack videos. And, again, it may also be symptomatic of loss of the ability to properly recall and contextualize the reality of the past, and even a descent into paranoia.

          • JJ

            Truly, can anyone who has really bought and lived Scientology ever completely remove it from their un-knowning thought patterns? Is it always just sort of in there? The how you think about anything before you think about it?

            • Mick Roberts

              I’m a never-in, so can’t speak to that, but I’m sure that it’s never completely removed. Life experiences (the good, the bad, and the ordinary) mold us and make us who we are. I would imagine that over time, that “Scientology thinking” dissipates to a large degree, to be almost practically unnoticeable. Former members (especially those who have been out for quite a long time) could provide more insight on this.

    • califa007

      I remember that, too, but can’t remember from where. You are remembering correctly. Sorry I can’t pinpoint it.

    • 8675309

      It’s in the ‘Going Clear’ documentary at 1:10:50. You can stream the whole documentary from the HBO Go App (search for ‘Going Clear’ to pull it up.) Rathbun makes the comment about Goldberg and his response to Goldberg’s question “Is he serious?” by nodding his head yes. It is very shortly after our proprietor speaks in the film.

      • JJ

        great name… Jenny I got your number…

        • 8675309

          Thanks. It was inspired by my daughter, who is still not old enough to give me heck about the 80’s music that it was derived from ; )

          • JJ

            Depending on her age she might be just right for retro, I notice they are doing everything BUT our hair. Class of 1989.

            • 8675309

              Class of ’88 here. One day she will appreciate my collection of concert memorabilia.

            • JJ

              What happened to big concerts? Or are we just not in the loop. I mean I remember the tours that came through and they filled arenas. Maybe the economy does’t support such all out productions anymore and the music is more intimate? More house music and RAP orientated. Long way from Hair Metal touring bands. They do have a goodly smattering of pop again though.

            • 8675309

              I flew up to Chicago to see David Gilmour last year, and caught the farewell show that Motley Crue had in Dallas. A lot of the shows coming through now are very bizarre pairings (like Lionel Richie and Mariah Carey playing outdoor sheds, or a Styx/ REO Speedwagon/ Don Felder combo…really, after Don Felder’s attempted reimagining of ‘Hotel California ‘, no thank you!). Most shows now are artists on the last run before retirement tour (which vary in quality – a few can still put on a great show, but the costs are too prohibitive). I’ve gotten selective over time, paying more to see shows that I know will deliver (Alice Cooper, Def Leppard, The Eagles prior to Glenn Frey’s passing, Roger Waters) and skipping the rest. Vevo and You Tube carry enough music videos to fill in the void for the rest.

            • JJ

              When did Motley Crue become classic rock… Man, sometimes it hurts getting old. It just does. You know you’re there when your music is used to sell anything other than…your music…Be glad we had it. It would be worse to feel you missed out on something.
              I see those ads and I am like wha ha ha do these artists have in common..? oh never mind.. I see.

      • Mick Roberts

        Excellent! Thanks a ton “Jenny”!

        • 8675309

          My pleasure. Was glad HBO still has it available to stream so I could find it.

          • ReallyMGM

            I imagine “Going Clear” will be available to steam for many years since it is an HBO production. They keep their own shows up for years. Due to the initial popularity, awards, and continued interest in the subject of Scientology, IMO it HBO will keep it online in the permanent collection.

      • PeaceMaker

        Thanks for that.

        I my recollection is correct, the same thing has been reported elsewhere as well, though possibly by someone else other than Rathbun.

      • Mick Roberts

        Perfect! Marty is saying then that Goldberg (IRS Commish) “breathed a sigh of relief” when Rathbun confirmed that Miscavige would make all the lawsuits go away.

        Quite a striking distinction between how he was talking then in the Going Clear documentary (again, that he has praised) and how he’s talking about it now. Maybe I’m reading too much into this #13 video (where he accuses Wright of pushing a narrative about the IRS having a “gun against their head”), but he certainly seems to strongly suggest in Gibney’s film that in fact, that proverbial “gun against their head” was what coerced the IRS to grant them their coveted tax-exemption status.

        • J. Swift

          Marty said he could turn off all the lawsuits like a faucet.

          • Mick Roberts

            Yes he did. I remember him saying that as well.

          • richelieu jr

            He even made a point of saying it was an exact quote.

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    I believe Victoria Britton and Tony Ortega have just uncovered Marty Rathbun admitting to lying under oath.

    It is as simple as that. Marty Rathbun has, in essence, admitted to a crime.

    Good to see him ‘fessing up. Maybe the judge in the upcoming sentencing of Marty will go easy on him, and hopefully there will be no judge tampering.

  • denise

    Wow…the statue of limitations hasn’t run out for this 2012 deposition yet..
    Anyone with a stake in this care to take this to the mat for a tussle?
    Sounds like there might possibly be a way to bring Marty to a “come to Jesus ” meeting…

  • mandymarie20

    Interesting podcast from Adam Carolla, whose show Leah has appeared, on why he lets Scientology members on his shows. The short story – everyone has skeletons and Scientology is no more harmful than anyone else’s. To me, just because everyone has skeletons, it doesn’t mean we should support them. Some are too egregious.

    I also found it interesting that he specifically mentions the confidence of Scientologists. I’m curious what the line is between confidence, narcissism and delusion. Some people think they are great at things, and can’t see that they are really terrible

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0dWBaVWEMMQ

    • JJ

      The confidence thing is an odd duck. I know Born Again Christians who don’t play giddy to that level! Some of it is arrogance, a we know and you don’t, some is the party line is be happy, look happy, the way to happy is happy… I mean they say “make the able more able” and I guess the really able jump on couches like loons…? Yet they are O.K. with suicide? Go figure.

      From another comedian point George Carlin said people can;t be more than happy. ie. “I’d be more than happy.” What happened to him”…he was more than happy…s’plains a lot.

      But really it wasn’t till grunge and goth that people were willing to think glum and down and dismissive was “the way to go”. Still for most people if your trying to sell something you show happy people eating using finding working it. That’s Scientology all over. Over done, under done, and done done. Over worked… And they don’t see it? Maybe it attracts people who desperately need to be happy and the appearance of happiness is enough?

      • EmmaDaoust

        Oh I don’t know. Those original Goths could be pretty glum.

        • JJ

          You mean those dam Visigoths? Life is Beautiful quote.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Then they bred with ostriches, became the Ostrogoths, trying to be Invisigoths.

            I’ll see myself out.

  • madame duran

    Re: Victoria Britton’s question
    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive!”
    Marty’s goose is cooked.

    Re: Maiden Voyage celebration
    Nowhere does it say in the ad that this is an “epic” event. So it means that attendance isn’t mandatory since this isn’t “historic” or a “game-changer” moment. Enjoy your day off, lurking Scientologist!

    *looks at event date*
    Isn’t that around the time of SMP’s TV programming launch on Spectrum?
    *checks out earlier Bunker blog report*
    Yes…June 21st was the announced start date (announced by David Miscavige himself). That’s six days from now. Can’t SMP beam this event live from the ship into the homes of Scientologists (or any other Spectrum subscriber)? All this boasting about SMP having the most up-to-date equipment and instantaneous, global dissemination…yet cult members are still trekking to their local org to watch a DVD of Maiden Voyage 2017? Like, really? Then again, I must remember that a cult doesn’t want to lose control by having its members skip events or doing anything privately without surveillance. Also, SMP doesn’t have a broadcasting license so it must rely on other networks or technical means to carry its lazy ass.

    Speaking of SMP…
    https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/1464462000000/america-los_angeles/owd/FFFFFF3B5998000000FF0000/No_On-Air_Programming_since_SMP_Grand_Opening (months, weeks, days)
    http://www.webcountdown.net/?a=ZuRrbYa (days, hours, minutes, seconds)

  • UhLasare

    Two things about good ole video #13.

    1) This one really made me think that the purpose of these videos is to come across as less of a critic all these years – It’s not MR’s fault Alex Gibney and Lawrence Wright did what they did – he tried to stop them. It feels like he’s trying to buy credibility with someone – not us.

    2) Based on this video, IMO, the Troika consists of Mike Rinder, Tony Ortega and Lawrence Wright.

    Bonus #3) As an empathic person (which often gets me in a lot of trouble), I still wish the best for Marty – I can’t seem to feel angry with him – just sorrow. I wish for his sake he’d get some help, and find true healing, for his sake, and the sake of his family and friends. I wish he could be Mark again, instead of Marty.

    • PeaceMaker

      UhLasare, I like where you’re going with that, here are my notes and thoughts:

      1) I’m not sure quite where Rathbun is going, but the latest video seems to me to be more in the direction of blaming Wright for having sucked him into something devious that he’s only now realizing (he imagines). My guess is that he is somehow trying to vindicate himself, and appeal to independent scientologists – followers he seems to have lost, irrecoverably, over the last couple of years, with a couple of exceptions.

      2) I still don’t get quite get how Rathbun is claiming now that Wright is part of the Troika, since he’s no longer focused on Scientology (and actually back to writing about the Middle East, and terrorism) – or is there some great conspiracy theory yet to come?

      3) I also believe in empathy – and also get in trouble for it. I wish we could just feel sorry for Rathbun – and not get sucked into what is probably his deliberate attention-getting.

      • Tony Ortega

        I don’t think Marty is saying that Wright is part of the “troika.” If you remember how he announced it in the “intro,” he said there is a troika, and they use Wright’s book as their bible.

        I think if you look at his attacks at his blog last summer, Karen de la Carriere is probably one of his “troika.” He resents that she financed him for several years and then went on to do her own popular videos. If that sounds petty and stupid, please remember that you are being a dumb pretzel if you are trying to make Marty’s acts make “sense.”

        • PeaceMaker

          Tony, I’ve had the same thought about Karen DdlC, and may even have expressed it – but Rathbun says that “the three, are doing it solely and utterly for profit.” which would seem to rule her out. I’ve wondered if maybe he didn’t instead have in mind Jeffrey Augustine as “kept-man first-class,” to quote a favorite slander of his.

          I think that’s a good question, even if we disagree about other things.

          I agree substantially, I’m sure that “sense: can be made out of Rathbun’s acts, or his ideas like the “troika” – it might even turn out to be bizarrely rabid and nonsensical conspiracy theorizing. That was one of the things that I thought at first pegged the video material as being old, that so many parties like Theroux and Leah have since entered the fray that it no longer made sense to peg just three.

          • Bob Crouch

            A year ago or so, MR also announced that he would reveal the party “whose water Ortega is carrying.” That rules Tony out as a principal in that troika. I agree with Tony: KDC is a good candidate to make the cut–based on previous MR rantings. Unless he’s looking for a more grandiose windmill to attack…

            Alleging profit motive (and being unable to provide evidence) is a sine qua non claim against those “attacking” the most rapacious money-draining scam in existence. It does NOT help narrow down the list of “suspects” in the least. Let’s face it: We are ALL in it for the money!

            “It might even turn out to be bizarrely rabid and nonsensical conspiracy theorizing.” It WILL! I would not be surprised if it were Kentucky Fried Chicken, Eli Lilly and the Pope.

            • PeaceMaker

              Bob, it looks to me like Rathbun has now doubled back and zig-zagged from earlier stances, based on such meanderings as his finding “in a new unit of time” of Wright as the author of the ASC “bible,” so anything he said previously may no longer apply – and Tony might indeed be in the running.

              But yeah, beyond that, who knows.

            • Bob Crouch

              I don’t know. My money is still on Col Sanders. Of course I can’t be sure–we’re talking Mad Mark here. But I have a good feeling about this theory. If nothing else, it makes more sense than his alternatives

        • richelieu jr

          Trust me, it will all lead back to Big Pharma and the Marcabians, because Hubbard said so, and that is that.

          If it is not cosmic interference by the “Space Jews By Any Other Name”, then it really isn’t as dramatic as he is painting it, is it? He cannot be hero unless his enemies are truly epic!

          Believe you me- There are some drug-dealing Psychs in there somewhere, writing check pulling strings and trying to kick that Scilon shit.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    How many of Mutty’s vids will it take and what does he want?
    https://youtu.be/fMrr6s8CSDo?t=31

  • 0tessa

    I wonder whether there is a particular threat Going Clear represents. For the church and/of for Rathbun himself.
    He must regret his cooperation with Wright so much. But why, the dox sofar prove that Rathbun has it wrong.
    Is the book too damaging?
    Did by any chance Wright et al. succeeded in reactiving the IRS? And might the end of the tax-exemption be near, which would mean of course the end of Scientology.
    And that is something Rathbun does not want, I think. He wants a reform, but not a wipe out.
    Wright has been too thorough,
    Is that why Rathbun is recanting?
    Then he must rue the day he cooperated with Wright.

    • Simon Tology

      It could be that Going Clear has caused a particular problem with one or more key people. Maybe one of the more important whales has been upset by it. Maybe even Tom Cruise has mentioned it to Miscavige. For the CofS it’s about creating some Black PR on the topic so that if someone asks about it they can say “see….even Rathbun says it’s a pile of crap”.

      • 0tessa

        Could be. Miscavige and Rathbun working together to ‘save’ Scientology?
        Rathbun of course is the person par excellence to criticize Wright.
        Maybe that is the deal struck between them: no more stalking but please help me save Scientology.
        But it’s naive. Rathbun contradicting himself in these video’s only undermines his own credibility. Which strenghtens the position of Wright.
        His video’s have the opposite effect.

    • Observer

      I didn’t read the book, but the film zeroes in on the abuses and questions Scn’s tax exemption in light of those abuses.

  • xenu

    Random insult to David Miscavige goes here.

  • Bert Allen

    Another great post discrediting the liar Rathbun. He is now clearly in Miscavige’s pocket, whether from bribery, extortion, or a combination of the two, which is most likely.

  • Lynnea66

    The only concrete thing Marty is doing with these video’s is ruining his reputation. His word will not count for anything in the future. If he sues someone, all they have to do is use the bunker as a resource to find the lies and then confront him in a deposition. He also will not be able to sell himself as a litigation expert based on all the lies. I do not understand what he thinks he is accomplishing with these videos other than destroying himself. It’s, quite frankly, reputation suicide.

    • richelieu jr

      What reputation?

      He spent his entire adult life beating up people threatening teenagers, covering up for murders, chasing down people fleeing for freedom, and the rest of the time up until now gloating about it and expecting non Scilons, and others out of the bubble, to give him the deference he thinks he deserves as the ‘Thoughful Thug’ and “Scientology Warrior”. All in the service of an organisation that he admits had genocidal ends planned for those of us who refused to get on board with their ‘planet-clearing’ Scilon nonsense.

      I wouldn’t hire that fat bastard as a babysitter, let alone give him a child of his own to teach to lie, bully, betray and indoctrinate.

      I wold suggest even chemical castration but DM already has his shrivelled little balls as a coin-pouch.

  • BuberZionist

    My explanation: After My Scientology Movie came out Marty felt the critics of Scientology didn’t respect him. He relapsed and and returned to drinking the kool-aid.

    • richelieu jr

      He never, ever truly left.

      Oh Davey, I can’t quit you…

  • richelieu jr

    One point which I feel has not been touched upon enough here.

    We spend a lot of time discussing whether or not L Ron believed his own BS, or was a pathological liar, a conman, an epileptic, etc…

    Marty could always hide behind the defence of “NOT KNOWING BETTER” before, He was in the bubble. How was he to know that breaking up couples, punishing masturbation, breaking hearts and bones, and imprisoning people for torture and indoctrination, was wrong? If you prick that prick, does he not bleed(ing whine)?

    but–

    MARTY KNOWS HE IS LYING NOW.

    He KNOWS SCIENTOLGY IS BULLSHIT.

    He knows he is only helping Miscavige get rich by unspeakable means.

    He has no excuses. He is a willing pawn of an Evil Organisation and an apologist for murder, torture, imprisonment, abuse and interference in the legal process and possibly even a murder (or orderer of such) of animals.

    He is also a Whiny Little Bitch who screamed like hell when he got a slight taste of his own medicine and who wil willingly slander innocent people and twist the truth with the sole aim of protecting his own shitty skin and allowing his cohorts to break always with impunity and enrich themselves on the back of the gullible, imprisoned and poor.

    Mark “Marty” Rathbun, you know better.

    No matter how you abuse your son, what lies you tell him, how you twist the truth ONE DAY HE WILL KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND WRE DOING NOW.

    DM has no kids or wife and will die unregretted and with no family to learn the truth.

    But much like POTUS, you will leave a family name for your son which will ring like “Benedict Arnold”; “Goebles”, or more aptly, ‘Frank Nitti”.

    His own children will put on shows mocking you and your name, and your collaboration in this evil nonsense. Hit the brakes now, and come clean. The you will be remembered as flawed human being, not a tool of an evil con-artist and twisted midget who stacked shit so high it blocked out all escape and called it “Marty”.

    YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

    Looking the mirror and do not let the word ‘shitheel’ enter your mind. DO NOT think of the work SHITheel”

    Go ahead, look there– Look at that ma– erm, person and say, “This is the Man I Wanted to Become.
    What I am doing is Right!” DO NOT think of a giant malignant turd, craven and cowardly, moving shit like dung-beetle for Miscavige.

    DO NOT THINK OF DUNG BEETLES WHEN YOU LOOK YOUR SELF IN THE EYE.

    SHAME.

    Shame.