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Scientology and kids: L. Ron Hubbard talks about small children as ancient beings

 
On occasion here at the Underground Bunker we’ve brought you examples of L. Ron Hubbard’s lectures. We think it’s important to hear the source material for this thing called Scientology and not to rely only on published accounts or interviews about it.

Part of the reason we do that is that we’re told often by former members or even other journalists that Hubbard had so much success because he had supernatural skills as a speaker, and cast a spell with charisma that was off the charts. We find those descriptions interesting, because when we listen to his lectures, we agree with an ESMB wag who said that you’re more likely to hear a bad after-dinner speaker at the local Elks lodge, yukking it up for a small but entirely bought-in audience. But maybe that’s just us.

We were reminded of that assessment when Mark “Marty” Rathbun, former top Scientology official, in his most recent video criticized Going Clear author Lawrence Wright for playing fast and loose with Hubbard’s lectures, excerpting more than he printed from a particular passage in order to make the point that Hubbard’s lectures were generally a mess.

Here’s the Wright quote that Rathbun reads from Going Clear, describing what a Hubbard lecture was like: “He would just open his mouth and a mob of new thoughts would burst forth, elbowing each other in the race to make themselves known to the world. They were often trivial and disjointed but also full of obscure learned references.”

Rathbun says, “This didn’t sound like Hubbard to me.”

Well, we’ll let you decide.

We more or less chose a lecture from random, one he gave in 1957 entitled ‘Evil.’ It was part of something called the “16th American Advanced Clinical Courses,” and we chose from it a Fair Use segment specifically about children.

Hubbard wanted his followers to believe that each of us is a thetan, an immortal being that was 76 trillion years old, or quadrillions of years old (cosmologists tell us the universe itself is only about 13.8 billion years old, but whatever). After you die, you as a thetan then jump into a new baby and begin a new life, over and over again. So an infant, Hubbard decided, must also be an ancient being, with the memories of millions and billions of years of experiences. But that raises the question: If an infant is really an ancient being, why can’t he or she talk?

Hubbard deals with that problem, and makes a few more claims about kids — including his own — in this wonderful excerpt of tall-tale telling. Please give it a look and let us know if you think Larry Wright was really so far off.

 

 
We’re sure you can think of many more Hubbard lectures that fit with Larry Wright’s description. But more importantly we have to wonder, what, at this point, is Rathbun expecting that his criticisms are going to produce? In our comments, we’ve seen real experts — longtime former Scientology members — take apart Rathbun’s criticisms one by one.

And we’re reminded of a couple of things Rathbun posted on his blog in the past. In 2011, under siege from the Squirrel Busters, a Church of Scientology goon squad that was hounding him at his south Texas home, Rathbun wrote…

The cult has two weapons and two weapons only: a) harassment to a degree unprecedented in a civilized society, and b) money to buy the victim of “a” when he is put into an amenable frame of mind. Just so everybody knows, as Miscavige just won’t seem to get it through his head, I will never fold to any pressure no matter how intense, and I am not for sale – at any price.

And in February 2015, after years of trying to separate what was good and usable in Scientology from what was toxic, he decided that he’d wasted his time. He wrote that Hubbard had produced a “pop psychology and hypnotism” that ” never achieved even the scientifically recognized 20 to 30 percent placebo effect in terms of long-term satisfaction.” In order to hide that ineffectiveness, he says, the rest of Scientology’s superstructure was constructed, which church members were “led to believe” — Xenu, body thetans, that Earth was a prison planet, and that Hubbard was Earth’s only salvation.

Rathbun seemed pretty dismissive of Hubbard and his ideas at that point.

But now, what a turnaround.

While Rathbun throws weak jabs at a terrific book, he’s avoiding the only question that really matters. How about answering the question, Marty?

 
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HOWDYCON ANNOUNCEMENT

 
Wow, we’re getting close to the start of HowdyCon 2017 in Denver. And we had a slight change in logistics from our caterer for our dinner on Saturday night, June 24. If you plan to go, make sure you have confirmed with Kim O’Brien, our coordinator, and visit our HowdyCon website where she has instructions for how you can pay for the dinner fee that night. You need to do that right away to make sure you’ll be included in the Saturday night festivities, which include:

— London-based Australian journalist Steve Cannane talking about his book Fair Game
— A spoken-word performance from former Sea Org official Claire Headley
— Cathy Schenkelberg performing for us scenes from her one-woman show, “Squeeze My Cans”

You don’t want to miss out, so please visit the convention page and get in contact with Kim.

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,779 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,536 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,882 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,376 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,416 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,128 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 654 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,743 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,883 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,203 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,178 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 534 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,836 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 943 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,345 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,218 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 799 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,304 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,548 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,657 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 12, 2017 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • It’s official! My ASC PTC rank has been confirmed:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/24eb7b14dc52c24d6cdd3f065c02e83dfd22eacf32b8f2cd1a1507abb922eb3d.jpg

    Thank you all for helping push my application through so quickly!

    • For some reason known only to marketers, after years of being known as Marathon bars in the UK they were re-branded as Snickers. Every time I see one I still think of Dick Dastardly saying, “Muttley – do something” and the inevitable:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdghRwWfaOQ

      • (please send prawn cocktail Walkers and a bushel of Turkish Delight stat, k, thx)

        • stanrogers

          All I’ve got is Taytos and pomfrey cakes. Will that do?

          • i’ll take the Taytos, thank you … i have a line on some jaffa cakes and they’ll come in handy if the arbitration breaks down. can i send a few Hershey bars in trade? my British wife thinks they “taste like sick”

            • stanrogers

              She’s right, you know. Also, while A1 may be brown, it should not be thought of as “brown sauce” by civilized people. A country may be judged fairly on its ability to supply its citizenry with HP.

            • I once met a guy who was setting up an African food shop in the UK.

              I imagined he would be selling all kinds of exotic fare. It turned out that one essential was Yeoman instant mashed potato, which disappeared from English supermarkets years ago, but is apparently still a big seller in Africa.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              They do! My son’s friend brought a box of Hershey bars back for us from America and every person who tried one said they tasted of sick! how bizarre 😀

            • Also kind of fascinating. I wonder if this is widespread, and why.

            • stanrogers

              Probably using butyric acid as a “buttery” flavouring in the background. (The alternative is a diketone like diacetyl, which is actually in butter, or acetyl propionyl.) I find the same thing with the “buttery” popcorn goop they used to use in cinemas. If you’re used to it, you don’t notice it unless it’s greatly overused, but if you’re not used to it, you can’t miss it.

            • chukicita

              That’s it. The way American chocolate is processed uses older milk and a byproduct is butyric acid.
              There is butyric acid in baby puke.

            • Kestrel

              [Note to self: Do not read the Bunker while eating]

          • ze moo

            Taco Bell is giving away free tacos tomorrow. That will do for me.

            • Kestrel

              Free taco Tuesday at Taco Bell. Or, as I like to call it, “Cleansing Day.”

            • chukicita

              No no no no

              Like my son says, Taco Bell always seems like a good idea, at first.

              Taco Bell is to food what Scientology is to belief systems. Good ones don’t ream you out.

          • downtherabbithole

            Had to google both the Taytos, and pomfrey cakes.

        • Mr Brain’s Faggots are cheap at the moment. http://mrbrains.co.uk/ They’re kind of big spicy pork meatballs in gravy – very nice with Yeoman instant mashed potato (see below).
          Will they do?

          The company is currently running a campaign against the banning of the term ‘faggots’ on FaceBook, when applied to this meaty delicacy.

          International branding is a potential minefield.

          • mmmm i could go for some of those hot meaty faggots in my mouth … wait, what?

  • J. Swift

    Attn: Marty Rathbun

    As Anonymous says, Dox or GTFO.

    Post documents to back up your assertions. Get a companion website to prove what you are claiming in your videos or just shut up.

    Example: Post the “slanderous dox” the FDA was sending out on Scientology. Post the IRS “corrective materials.”

    Your verbal critique absent corroborating documents is boorish hearsay. The authors you are criticizing have extensive research documents and you have, at present, just a lot of hot air and opinions. The standard for what you are trying to do is documentation.

    Marty, your video snippets have quickly become boring whiny complaints that recite a litany of butthurt. You might as well be working for Scientology.

    • Philbyification

      OT: I was of the understanding that Lisa Marie helped to expose the “church” by covertly hiring lawyers, leaking info to TMZ ect. is that true J.?

      • What’sup

        That was in regards to Ron Miscavige. She pulled some strings in the media

        • Philbyification

          Yes. I thought so but I just saw her “ASC” efforts slagged off in favor of calling her “just a drug addict” in a new Q and A. I was just wondering…

          • J. Swift

            Where was Lisa Marie called a drug addict? Is there a link?

            • Philbyification

              “Livestream: Q and A Part 2” on YT. w/I first 10 mins…

            • Philbyification

              @ 8:00 Celebrity Influence

            • Philbyification

              Aaron’s Livestream Q & A Part 2 @ 8:00 in approx under topic of “celebrity influence” in answer to viewer question from chat…

      • What’sup
      • J. Swift

        I have no idea what you’re talking about. TMZ and Harv Levin are in bed with Scientology.

        • Philbyification

          Bed Bugs Ewwww!

    • org-rat 1003

      Exactly! The so called slanderous material (if he’s referring to anything real at all) is probably just accurate concerns about how dangerous a cult Scientology is. How can you slander something that has as criminal a history as scientology does?

  • J. Swift

    LRH on the Helatrobus Implants:

    Thank you. People of Earth, we come in peace. We bring a plowshare, not a sword.

    But we wont use any clouds to spread the message. Oh, I see you characters haven’t been really up to the front of the track yet. All those Helatrobus Implants of course came out of clouds originally, you know.

    And this is the 21st of May, AD 13, Galactic ye well that’s beside the point…

    Well, Helatrobus threw any people that it implanted as far as possible. Oh, some of them were wandered back, and some of them stayed around, and some of them didn’t get badly affected and reported back and that sort of thing, but they also dumped people pretty far out.

    So this particular system got dumping, and the Marcab Confederacy and some of the other stars around here just got a terrific concentration of people being dumped from the Center of the hub, you know. They don’t want to go over to the next galaxy, so they just take it out to the edge of the City, you know.

    All right. And this is close enough to other galaxies that ambitious characters over there trying to get rid of people out of their galaxies and systems, and so forth, would also use these rim stars. Now you get down toward the Center of this galaxy and the possibility of finding somebody without the Helatrobus Implants, of finding any foreign implant system, will probably be totally negligible. Probably nonextant, you see?

    But out here you got a mixed bag and we don’t know what they did in the next galaxy. See?

    Now, science fiction writers following the cue of some chap, I’ve forgotten his name now, Einstein, Beinstein, something like that, who said that MC squared over C wouldn’t go, man, and that the speed of light could not be excessive. And actually I was looking up some speed tables the other day, and a trillion light years per day is not full throttle on a space wagon. So there’s traffic between galaxies and there’s traffic between islands of galaxies and other islands of galaxies. Interesting.

    Has a lot—you say, well, this is science fiction. No. No, no. No. The only part of science fiction there are, is the mistakes the science fiction writers have made while writing about their own past. They’ve made a lot of errors there.

    The truth of the case is that it’s—it has a lot to do with you as an auditor, suddenly. Not that you have to embrace science fiction, but you have to look at this possibility. You’ve got to face up to the isness of the thing. Man’s greatest trouble in solving his own problems, see, he didn’t have enough on the ball to face up to the isness of existence. And the reasons for that are very plain, short, succinctly stated. That case which evinces the greatest unreality about things is that case most subject to bank solidification in an effort to remember.

    The Helatrobus Implants, a lecture given on 21 May 1963

    • Observer

      Dear Xenu, I wish he was here to get the scorn, mockery and jail time he so richly deserved!

      • Chewkacca

        LRH spent the last years of his life in hiding to avoid exactly those things.
        AAAROOOOO!

    • 0tessa

      That sentence “That case which evinces the greatest unreality about things is that case most subject to bank solidification in an effort to remenber” – is he in a rare moment of selfreflection talking about his own case or in ‘presight’ talking about Rathbun …?

      • J. Swift

        LRH is clearly describing Marty and his small band of lunatic supporters.

        • 0tessa

          Might they be preparing a coup to take over power from Miscavige?
          The way he is telling the world that Scientology is not as bad as Wright a.o. say it is, made be think this could be the reason behind his change of tune. Maybe a wild thought, but still not so unthinkable.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “I was looking up some speed tables the other day, and a trillion light years per day is not full throttle on a space wagon.”

      Well, there you go! Elron says that faster than light speed travel is possible, so it must be true!

      It’s just a darn shame that in recalling all of those whole track experiences – spread over countless millions of years, and involving so many different advanced civilizations – that he didn’t foresee the rise of the internet or even recall the designs for a better lithium ion battery! What could account for this profound absence of any kind of useful advanced tech being recalled? It’s just SUCH a mystery!

      I know, I’ll get my local OTC on it and I’m certain that with the kind of combined theta power that these super beings can focus on the problem it will be solved in days!

      Thanks Ron!

      • J. Swift

        Hubbard saw the Marcabs as never progressing for 10,000 years beyond America in the 1950’s:

        In the last 10,000 years they have gone on with a sort of decadent kicked-in-the-head civilization that contains automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, spaceships — a civilization which looks almost an exact duplicate but is worse off than the current US civilization.

        http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/life_booth_2.jpg

        • ze moo

          Nothing says the future more than fedoras and ‘how many people can crowd into a phone booth’ pranks. The future should have more laughs….

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Like Elron himself, the Marcabians had the intelligence to realize that 50’s culture was the apogee of guh-lac-tic civilization and the wisdom to freeze theirs, right there in the same sweet spot where $cn remains to this day!

    • MarcabExpat

      Thank you! This is one I’ve always wanted to find the audio for online 🙂

      • chukicita

        Boy, whoever you’re punishing must have been baaaaaad.

        • MarcabExpat

          I love the space stuff. Can’t help it! I make up for it by special advanced loathing for the pseudo-psychology.

    • ze moo

      Lron just wanted the auditors to embrace every possible market. And milk it for all it was worth. ‘Curing’ engrams or encouraging imagination results in more billable hours. That is why Lron hated psychiatry, they actually helped people with their billable hours.

      • And psychiatrists are delighted when patients did not need them any more. There is often an end to psychiatric treatment. You never stop paying for Scientology.

        • ze moo

          Plus the Psychiatrist has a waiting list of patients, $cientology, not so much.

        • chukicita

          They never tell you that you are in danger since you achieved the last benchmark and have to pay up front for more therapy or you might lose your eternity.

    • Observer

      “Man’s greatest trouble in solving his own problems, see, he didn’t have
      enough on the ball to face up to the isness of existence.”

      Would that be like Ron not having enough on the ball to see himself as the cowardly, malingering, mentally ill con man that he was and spending almost half his life pretending to be the savior of mankind so people would admire him?

      • stanrogers

        I think that if you find yourself using the word “isness” in a sentence that is neither meant to be a joke or a quotation, your on-the-ballness is probably entirely absent.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I can ever seem to get enough on my ball. I pile it on, but being round it just runs down the sides. Old spaghetti seems to work best but it’s still messy.

        • Kestrel

          Pro tip: Don’t rinse the starch off. You’ll have noodles that will stick to anything. Or so they tell me.

    • Kestrel

      That’s great, Ron, but tell me more about those freight trains on Venus.

    • So if I make an effort to remember my bank will solidify? Then why all the auditing questions?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        We refuse to remember the answer to your question. If we tried to remember our bank would solidify and then we in RTC would be as bad off as Ratburn. Now stop trying to cause trouble and bet back into the course room to finish your Basics.

        • Rasha

          Here’s a thought… save the answers in folders! Store them in warehouses, cross-referenced with personal information! Easy peasy!

    • Pezza

      Your item is a blue kangaroo on the moon.

      • J. Swift

        Flag promises they can handle it with the Blue Kangaroo on the Moon rundown. Only $550,000.

  • in keeping w/ the recent theme, I just noticed my can doesn’t have Tom Cruise on it ;(
    (make your own jokes about TC and my can, please … be creative)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f6ef232d1c15aa7366806801ef50058b802281ccd139b5688a6541a357c68fc.jpg

    (and yes I’m all jacked up on sugar now + hearing colors that shouldn’t exist)

    • ze moo

      Even in its second week, Wonder Woman is beating the pants off of the Mummy.

    • flyonthewall

      This WW is not a strong woman or a good role model. People desperately want her to be so they’re not seeing what’s right in their faces. Smh

      • Nat-leficent

        ?????????????? Um, Homeboy, the movie was awesome.

        • flyonthewall

          was a good superhero movie like any other but a feminist role model she is not. She acted like a baby who needed to be led around by the hand by, surprise surprise, her boyfriend. Bullshit.

          • Nat-leficent

            Spoiler alert Disagree. It was he who followed her around in the battle scenes after the “no man’s land” scene. In London the jokes were the classic Goddess among mortals/newcomer stuff.

            • flyonthewall

              ******SPOILER ALERT******

              Being battle hard and courageous in the fight is great but for me all that was ruined by the naive innocent thing. Any good warrior knows they have to blend in when in a foreign land. How is she going to know philosophy (she quoted Socrates) and all human languages and not have the slightest understanding of human nature? That’s nonsense. And to top it all off at the very end when she was about to succumb, she drew her rage and courage from the death of her boyfriend. What she understood about human nature didn’t come from the centuries of knowledge and wisdom she accumulated and assimilated but from Steve. Literally. That’s sad to me.

            • Diana had never met a man before. It was her first experience with one. She responded in the way that her nature would have encouraged her to (assuming she is heterosexual). It wasn’t Steve that got her in touch with her powers. It was her love for him which proved to her that mankind did actually deserve her. She was becoming convinced by Aries until she remembered how loving a human felt. It’s a trope that is touted in movie after movie: humans have the capacity for great good and great evil. I did not feel the love story took away from the feminist icon that is Wonder Woman.

            • flyonthewall

              Derek, I know the only reason you argue with me is bc you’re jealous that I have more Lego Dimension guys than you. Don’t be a hater. If you’re nice, I’ll let you come over my house and play Lego Dimension with me and you can be any character you want. How does that sound?

            • The Greeks had a God and a Goddess of war, Aries and Athena (who was also Goddess of handicrafts).

              This seems bizarre, until you remember which one suggested the Trojan Horse – the first force multiplier which lifted a decades-long siege with minimal bloodshed.

              Aries was a male God who gloried in berserk, apeshit, bloody combat. Athena used handicrafts (which we would now call technology) and tactics to do a much cleaner job.

              If there’s a role model for women there, it’s in Athena, not a fantasy superhero who fights hand-to-hand.

            • Nat-leficent

              I respect your POV especially as the father of girls. I liked it though. I thought Diana was well-rounded and believable (for a goddess) and that she would have drawn strength from any true friendship. I hope she is less naive as the movies continue. This is her origin story so her lack of guile didn’t bother me. Compared to crap like Kill Bill, I was pleasantly surprised 😉

            • Rasha
            • I agree. The movie was awesome.

            • Nat-leficent
            • Such a bad ass!

            • Nat-leficent
            • Kestrel

              That’s not how I would have described her backside, but okay. 😉

          • Kestrel

            I thought it was an awesome movie.

            • flyonthewall

              you prob didn’t even see it. You spent all weekend bird watching, don’t lie

      • haven’t seen it, yet. waiting for “date nite.” i’ll keep an open mind and we can compare notes later. just happy a girl is kicking ass.

        • flyonthewall

          I hear you. I took my 9 and 11yr old daughters to see it and they loved it. So you know, I’m prob just being picky and cranky. If the ladies like it then good for them, that’s what counts

          • next time no spoilers bro thanks

            • flyonthewall

              I put a big spoiler alert heading

            • I know, your original reply to me kinda bummed me out.

            • flyonthewall

              dude, that’s what I do. I ruin everything for everyone. You know this

            • not anymore. congrats on being the 1st person i’ve had to block.

            • flyonthewall

              i am honored to take your block virginity

            • i’ve had some time to cool down and decided to unblock you. but i’m keeping this 3Teeth shirt.

            • I hate that. Someone spoiled “Titanic” for me. They told me the ship sinks in the end.

      • Jimmy3

        Haven’t seen it, but you’re totally right. Except you didn’t go far enough. Women shouldn’t be superheroes at all deleting this account before angry replies

        • Supper Powers

          I totally agree!

        • flyonthewall

          women shouldn’t even be women. Women should be men. I prefer the company of men. Who doesn’t?

        • Superheroes are a male power fantasy, and power fantasy empowers nobody – it just sells films. A female superhero is just an attempt to profit from a potentially huge untapped market – women.

          Dressing it all up as some kind of feminist issue is a successful PR trick.

          Strangely, science fiction pulp writers also often suffered from this flaw. One even pretended he really, really could make people superhuman – and look what happened to him (and the people who fell for it).

    • Kestrel

      That is one fine lookin’ can you got there, SucculentDuck.

    • iampissed
  • More Scientology harassment against Mark Ebner.

    https://twitter.com/MarkEbner59/status/874379058850570240

    • Joe

      My proposed reply: “It’s surprising you can speak at all with Miscavige’s dick in your mouth.”

  • Lousy Ratatouille
    • PattyCakenfeld

      Thanks, ISN. Interesting article pointing out that the prison of belief exists in different guises:

      “You’re living to protect the eating disorder. And all the while, it is
      slowly killing you, and robbing you of your time, money, dreams,
      relationships, future, hobbies…robbing you of life…all to obtain that ultimate ‘goal weight.’ (Sound like “The Bridge” much??)”

  • Missionary Kid

    I had lunch at a sandwich shop today, and I struck up a conversation with a couple of guys. When I asked them where they were from, they said Hemet.

    I asked them, mockingly, if that wasn’t a little too close to the center of spiritual enlightenment, and they replied that EVERYBODY they meet asks them about it. (Gold Base). They were not happy about it. hey talked about seeing the ATV’s running around and being used to keep people in. They had noticed that at night, the flood lights are pointed out to see where people were trying to escape to.

    • outraged

      That’s horrifying. Lights on all night to see the escapees. Sounds like a prison camp.

      • Missionary Kid

        They are also facing out to catch any people who might be bent on harming Co$, although I don’t know of anyone who’s even tried to break in.

        The rumor is that they video record every car and its license that drives through. The sensors in the Eagle’s nest were photographed and posted recently here in the Bunker. I’m sure that there are motion sensors along with the video cameras that are everywhere on the perimeter as well so that anyone in the area can be quickly spotted.

        The actual prison is in the people’s mind that stay there. If accosted, they would probably say that they are happy there. They are conditioned to be afraid of the rest of the world.

        Read Blown for Good for an insight into how things used to be. Today, I’m sure that the security devices are even more high tech. Ron Miscavige Sr.’s book, also talks about the security.

        Techie could easily correct me on any of my assumptions, because of his technical knowledge and the time that he spent there.

        • outraged

          oh, I know ALL about this. TOo well. Even though I am a NEver In Thank the World For THat, I was in a cult. Lifesrping. And the mind control, cult mentality, the coercion, verbal abuse, was rampant. People died as well. Suicide, accident. One case almost went to court. I would have been flown across the country to testify. I was subpoenaed by the victims family. BUT, like Scientology, Lifespring settled out of court. John Hanley convinced the family not to sue. And I understand why the family did that. But, I was very disappointed. That death was preventable and created severe trauma for me because I was on staff, paid worker, for the cult. And this tragic accident occurred to me as a possibility the DAY BEFORE. ANd the man I warned, the head of the office, refused to listen because of his vast and stupid arrogance.

          I was young. In my 20’s. I learned a HUGE lesson that day. NEver ever back down from your instinct if someone life could be in danger.

        • It strikes me that, as the demands placed upon people increase so does the degree of actual coercion. At some point, everyone knows that ‘the prison of belief’ isn’t enough any more, except for some poor sods, lost to learned helplessness.

          As you ‘advance’ through Scientology, you are progressively introduced to ‘disconnection’, ‘ethics’ and ‘sec checks’.

          I argue strongly for the power of social pressure as an explanation of the behaviour of Scientologists – but I can also see that, when you enter the ‘inner circle’ nasty threats and physical restraint become at least as important.

    • ze moo

      You’d think that the spiked fences would give them away. Unfortunately Gold Base is Stalag 17, not Stalag 13.

      William Holden got an Academy Award for Stalag 17. What award is possible for Gold Base? Something beyond Federal Indictments.

      • Missionary Kid

        Trivia Question: Who played the German Spy in Stalag 17?
        Answer: Peter Graves, in his breakout role as Sgt. Frank Price, was a German spy, put in with the prisoners to find out what they were up to. If you remember the end, he gets his his comeuppance.

        The people in Gold are kept in by a combination of fear, intimidation, and lies. All of their actions are monitored closely, and everyone snitches.

  • Nat-leficent
  • downtherabbithole

    If ReallyMGM pops in to read todays post – I hope your surgery went well and a speedy recovery to you. Take good care of yourself.

  • Chee Chalker

    I would love to see Marty debate someone on these issues. Either Mike, or Jon Atack or even a never in like Lawerence Wright.
    That will happen ‘in due time’ I guess.
    Which means never.
    Because Scientology cannot survive on an even playing field.
    They hide behind bullies and people willing to break the law and expensive lawyers.
    Marty is just another coward so he is in good company with Miscavige.
    (Unless of course he is being blackmailed somehow, then I might be able to understand some of his recent comments)

    • Sibs

      How many times have $cientologists actually had a debate about their beliefs? I can only think of one instance with Neil Gaimon’s dad I think it was. But you know they’re not allowed to explain anything out loud, because then they would notice all of contradictions and realize that something’s wrong.

      • Chee Chalker

        I would settle for a debate about factual matters and not beliefs.
        For example, have Marty debate Lawrence Wright on each ‘point’ Marty brings up in his videos.
        Or let Marty and Jon Atack debate on whether Hubbard was a war hero.
        Or have Marty and Mike debate about whether David Miscavige beats people (because Revisionist Marty is likely to start denying that fact soon…..”I didn’t mean David Miscavige actually beat his staff…..I was projecting my own desire to see David Miscavige beat them up because Mr. Miscavige works so hard and I am a naturally violent person.” We should see something along those lines soon)

        • Kestrel

          Rathbun would not be able to control the narrative against any of those people.

          • Chee Chalker

            Exactly. And he wouldn’t be able to explain (with a straight face) all
            his contradictionary statements

        • Sibs

          If we see something along those lines, then it’ll prove beyond all doubt that he’s trying to do his A through Es. Either that or finally answering how the heck Dani’s private email message ended up in $cientology’s hands.

      • At lest once, on late-night UK TV, in 1997 https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/jon-ronsons-for-the-love-of-scientology-late-night-tv-chat-with-scientologists-from-1997/

        It wasn’t quite a debate – more an group interview with the journalist Jon Ronson. However, by today’s standards, they were incredibly open, and it went on for a long time without rancour.

        It’s also a great exercise in spotting historically prominent Scientologists – including Neil Gaimon’s sister, who featured here recently.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Listening to the “lecture” and reading Jeff’s transcript of the
    1963 “lecture” about Helatrobus and the speed of light:

    A Calvin and Hobbes moment:

    My 7 year old –
    “In the ocean grows seaweed
    In the sky grows spaceweed
    What if there were creatures that lived in space and ate spaceweed?”

    Distracted father, researching Missions (and the absence thereof):
    Thinks
    “There are, son, they are called $cientologists.”
    ……
    Yellow swallowtail,
    Pines whispering in the breeze –
    Finally summer
    ……..
    Pre-Calvin and Hobbes moment, some years ago:

    One of the unexpected benefits of toilet-training:
    the door of the john was not closed and my child walked right in.
    When he saw me, he applauded my efforts.
    Smiling 2-year old encouragment.
    A standing ovation, in fact.
    I felt relieved.

    Hubbard, on the other hand, is full of shit.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f8db684b6d13a74c6a8df3300272ca4f3077a7e8f48c80498b5c7bb29c90817.jpg

  • chukicita

    Wake me up when we’re supposed to rue.

    • Kestrel

      Good night, Rip Van Winkle.

    • Nat-leficent

      XD

  • Abracadab

    I’ve never listened to one of these before, and I’m surprised and a bit shocked by how charming I find him here.

    • EmmaDaoust
    • Nat-leficent
    • Eivol Ekdal
    • Qbird

      interesting. try this one, if you’ve a mind to. 94 minutes. 1961

      https://youtu.be/iDk5dkXBDLU

      In this one, he’s selling the Joberg Sec Check, which is really especially charming.

      • iampissed

        Sorry had to stop at “this tape is 94 mins long” just can’t do it.

        • Philbyification

          Got stung by huge wasp @10:00 in for first time….lol Bad L.Ron…yeeowch

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      • Abracadab

        Not trolling. I’ve read his words before and believe that in general, he was a ridiculous and evil man – but I’ve never listened to any lectures and this one helped me to see how people could fall under his spell. I’m not *for* it; I’m just *noticing* it.

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        • chukicita

          One’s greasy is another’s smooth, I guess. I noticed he repeats the same words in a short space, like he tries to get a rhythm going or something. But that voice has a nasal quality that truly grates on me.

        • What he says is still ridiculous, and to really see the evil you would have to be one of the people he attacked as David Miscavige’s ‘enforcer’ or have seen him covering up Scientology’s responsibility for the death of Lisa McPherson (and David Miscavige’s direct involvement).

          I’ve shown his video to people who have no idea who he is, and they have commented that he looks very stressed and, in one case, “creepy”. I didn’t show them Marty in his heyday at a Scientology ‘event’. in his fancy pseudo-Naval uniform holding forth as ‘Inspector General’.

          I suppose it’s another lesson in the banality of evil. People who do terrible harm can be so very ordinary. They found themselves in a position where they could be cruel without any consequences and found that they enjoyed that.

          It’s what you actually do that matters – not how you come over when you try to justify it.

  • Jesus. Hubbard is talking about the Empire State Building and how these children must have understood what it was like. Then I think he realized this would have been before the building was built and so he nervously laughs and quietly adds, “It was in the planning stages at that time.” I am so disappointed in everyone that fell for this hack, namely my parents.

    • PeaceMaker

      It’s interesting to see him catch himself realizing that the tall tale his just told, was too much of a whopper.

      He could have just said that the children asked about skyscrapers – but he had to embellish it by citing the Empire State Building.

      When he caught his mistake, he could have gone for the truth and said something like “or whatever was the big new skyscraper in the news then” – but he had to double down on his lie.

      This makes it easy to see why Judge Breckenridge found him “virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements.”

  • J. Swift

    Marty is attacking people. How soon before he follows the Scientology pattern and begins opening Rathbun Ideal Orgs?

    • iampissed

      That should be ROI not RIO. You can’t get to RIO till you get ROI.

    • Kestrel

      First he’ll need Rathbun Ideal Missions. Applicants can apply for RIM jobs.

      • iampissed
      • Jimmy3

        Well done, sir.

        • Kestrel

          I am humbled by The Master’s praise.

      • Baby

        That is absolutely vulgar.. I am reporting you to Fly.

        • Kestrel

          If you were really upset, you’d pay Rathbun to participate in a lame, serialized attempt at character assassination on me.

          • Baby

            He’s blocked me since the ” Paris ” thing.

            • Robert Eckert

              We’ll always have Paris

            • Baby

              Hahhaha

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Rimless zeros need not apply.

      • chukicita

        *rim shot*

    • Bob Crouch

      Obviously, he is missing the days when he didn’t have to settle for “attacking people” online but got to slap them around too. With his “rehabilitation” progressing nicely, maybe he will get to do this again some time soon. So what, if he has to take a few blows from Miscavige as part of the deal? 4’13” probably hits like a girl anyway…

      (With sincere apologies to all the women who pack a real punch. No offense intended!)

  • Pezza

    Lectures that follow Wrights description- see Philadelphia Doctorate Course, any lecture.

  • Baby
    • Kestrel

      They’re lining up to be the crowd at the Ideal Org opening in Seoul. I’d bet my paycheck the buses come back empty.

      • Baby

        Yep! ( They only wish) OK .. I am heading OUT…Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

  • Baby

    North Korea Eric Lafforgue.. Now where have we seen a person taking a picture of someone taking a picture before?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d89c6517c812260350e1bbc4625c1ec6a417482cfd24cea994cb2475791c87a.jpg

    • iampissed

      That’s a mission I wouldn’t want.

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  • Here’s a conspiracy theory. The mental midget Davey Miscavige eventually bought Marty Rathbun (everyone can be bought for the right price) whose marching orders are to recant and attempt to disprove (read distract) everyone into a Marty vs Us while keeping the Cult out of the crosshairs.

    I personally don’t care what Marty has to say. I lived my own experiences at that cult for half my life. I hope we stay focused about the real enemy and that we double our efforts and target Scientology where it hurts, Public Relations and FBI/IRS intervention along with getting more billboards up.

    • Jimmy3

      You should try to be more imaginative with your conspiracy theories. Marty falling back in line with the cult is not chemtrail-y enough.

      • Philbyification

        No Flat “satanic” blood rituals?? lol

      • PeaceMaker

        Jimmy, how chemtrail-y would you like it? Customized conspiracy theories to fit any scenario and satisfy any bent are my specialty, I can spin them out the way Hubbard could do stories of research and case histories off the top of his head.

        I can start out by pointing that Rathbun is just old enough to have been a young PDH’d (pain-drug-hypnotized) assassin on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas – a 7 year old is the last one they’d suspect, so it’s perfect cover. And then he mysteriously returns to Texas, the scene of the crime, when there are 49 other states he could have chosen – coincidence?

        • Coincidence? I think not! [cue dramatic music]

      • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

        Here’s one: Miscavige thinks Marty’s been a success these last 9 years of this big Marty “Handle scientology’s critics Program” and this whole harassment of Marty and the case against his wife was all part of the Marty handle the critics program and the big ruse.

        it worked to fool everyone, and now Miscavige is grooming Marty secretly to replace Miscavige so Miscavige can go off to Switzerland and spend all Miscavige’s ill-begotten wealth as Pope Scientology. that’s why Marty looks so good in new clothes and background in the videos. Part of the payoff.

        I think I nailed it, because how else would Scientology Hired PIs put up with the CarWash treatment? They knew they had to pretend like Marty’s being the tough critic, to get everyone even more rooting for Marty, yah yah!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtD-ctTI59E

        • PeaceMaker

          Good one, Chuck.

          Under that theory, Rathbun could also be Pope to the Independents, helping to lure them back into the fold of the official CofS. Rathbun and Miscavige could play good-cop-bad-copy, with Rathbun issuing some long overdue amnesties and pardons, even bringing some declared members back into the fold without Miscavige having to sacrifice his reputation as the iron-fisted leader.

          Seems as plausible and supportable as most other theories.

          • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

            yea, Marty’s going to now shift into phase two, he is gonna fix all the Indies, and get them all to do A to E and return to Scientology, and reform it all. (Of course, in reality, people’s actual beliefs, are like researchers have said about Scientology, and people move on to other religious/spiritual groups and ideas, and that’s why this is a fine nutty dream, but not per the research of real ex members of nutty cult mysticism quack groups who normally go on to some other groups and ideas is all.)

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      It’s the cult’s MO since forever, but it doesn’t impinge even casual observers these days and only emphasizes the cult’s impotence. It’s not a distraction to me and I’m easily distracted. I watched the first for the schadenfreude and the second to confirm that POW pleas do not amuse me.

      I wouldn’t worry about any waste of effort on Marty.

    • PeaceMaker

      My conspiracy theory is that this is part of a to-be-revealed new independent Scientology initiative, with deliberate misdirection to lead people into thinking the CofS is behind it.

      Regardless, I don’t think it matters, except to the extent that it confirms the operating basis that Rathbun can’t be trusted, and warns that his allegiances may have shifted – or could shift in the future. As with many other things, allowing it to become a distraction undermines focus on the abuses and plays into OSA’s hand.

  • Pezza

    Marty’s part 7 just posted. In it he essentially defends the RPF and amongst many claims says it’s not human trafficking. This is insane.

    • Davka

      Wait, what?!

      • Pezza

        My thoughts exactly.

        • Davka

          I think Tony must have known this or something like it was coming – thinking back to his exhaustive review of Marty’s trajectory not too long ago. I honestly never would have thunk it, but I’m naive…..

          • I suspect that there’s a story behind the story behind the story, here.
            Many things are known, but can’t be said in public for various reasons.
            One day, it will all come out, but not yet, for a while

    • Bob Crouch

      He EQUATES the RPF with human trafficking and then burns his strawman. Of course, what he FAILS to discuss is whether the RPF constitutes unlawful incarceration. Having “made that point,” he takes a victory lap and pretends that he has, by his previous argument, disproven that the RPF may constitute brainwashing. He characterizes it instead as “rehabilitation.”

      Of course, he stays away from addressing the cult’s party line, i.e. that the RPF is “voluntary.” Wonder why?

      So as far as Marty is NOW concerned “The Hole does not exist!” Gee, Marty, then WHY did you BLOW from such a “worker’s paradise” (to quote the cult’s characterization of the place)? Goes to show: You can take the boy out of the cult; but you cannot take the cult out of the boy!”

    • John McGhee

      Seems he is working up to declaring his undying love for David Miscavige; maybe in part 12?

      • Robert Hanna Moore

        I want to see them publicly bury the hatchet.

        • Robert Hanna Moore

          At Ruth Eckerd Hall.

          • Gus Cox

            Shit, I’d go to that event just for teh lulz!

        • mockingbird

          In each other’s skulls.

      • mockingbird

        He will lick his shoes and beg for forgiveness.

    • Supper Powers

      Marty references Cannane’s Fair Game in video 6.

      Monique dropped her lawsuit in May, 2016.
      Fair Game came out in September, 2016.
      Rathbun criticizes Ron Miscavige’s book in September, 2016 (added).
      Rathbun criticizes My Scientology Movie in September, 2016 (added).

      So, for anyone thinking this video was made years ago, now you have a better timeline.

      • Robert Hanna Moore

        1. Good ear.

        2.Thanks for taking one for the team.

        • Supper Powers

          My pleasure. I’m glad we have a more defined timeline. It makes it easier for me to digest Hana’s theory that this is Marty’s A-E.

      • PeaceMaker

        Good catch. I appreciate that at least a few people take the time to see these for themselves and contribute their observations and evaluations.

        I already conceded the point, though that must be lost in the day’s earlier traffic. I still think it is plausible if not likely that the footage comes from the “editing room floor” of some project that Rathbun was involved in, just more recently than when he was in big demand around. The reference slipped in right at the beginning – which I have to admit that someone else tipped me off to – provides the clue that someone named Cameron was one of the people involved.

        One question now is, will Rathbun just criticize Going Clear, which came out in 2014, or is there going to be a long series of these videos that will eventually catch up to “present time” and criticize works that have come out since?

        • Supper Powers

          I was just catching up on comments made earlier in the day. A number of others caught this as well.

        • Especially “My Scientology Movie” which may have brought him to his present pass by definitively demonstrating everything he had to reveal, and fatally damaging his credibility.

          It also made Miscavige look very indeed. So bad, in fact that it’s unlikely he will mention that film, because he he just can’t wriggle out of the claims he made in it.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Watching this is akin to watching this:
      http://www.loon.org/looncam.php
      At least the loon in the looncam will hatch eventually.

      Oh, and Marty, if it is true, it’s not slander.
      It’s just reporting.
      Hubbard’s malfeasance, reported by the FBI or anyone
      else to foreign governments, really happened.
      You know.
      You were part of the shitshow.
      Not everyone is trying to black agent everyone.

      You never met the capo di tutti capi, you were just a soldier, but you know.
      Just ‘cos he was paranoid doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve to be cuffed and do time.
      Bit like you.

      RPF apologetics? – you are one beaten cur.
      Sit, boy, sit.
      Roll over, bot, roll over.
      Beg, bot, beg.

      Pfffft!
      You disgust me, you craven liar.

      • mockingbird

        Calling Marty Rathbun a craven liar is an insult to craven liars.

        • Supper Powers

          We need a shoop of Poe’s The Raven with a craven Rathbun twist.

          • mockingbird

            Yeah, he has entered dark shoop territory.

      • mockingbird

        He has hit a new low.

    • mockingbird

      He defended the motherfucking RPF ? This guy might as well defend the holocaust now and say they were merely labor camps. He is just a fucking shill. He is an insult to shills.

      I hope his idiocy and unrelenting inhuman cruelty inspire documentary films and media coverage like never before on EVERY single thing he denies.

      • You mean the Holocaust Centers™?

        • Mockingbird

          Yes , Sean Spicer.

    • PeaceMaker

      I think Rathbun is taking a legalistic position on that – which in some respects is technically correct, since the DOJ and FBI could not prosecute it. He avoided addressing the moral and ethical aspects of it, which he should have, and it’s definitely curious that he didn’t even interject anything about that, such as noting that he thought it wrong nonetheless.

      It will be interesting to see just what other tacks of apologism he takes. I’m trying to figure out if he is just taking positions like that to make some point, or is really backtracking – or reverting.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Why are you decadent kicked-in-the-head Anti-Scientology Cultists even bothering to listen to this has-been List One Rockslammer named Marty Rathbun? We in RTC fired him decades ago. The man is no better than a Cleared Cannibal:

    A handled R/Ser can be expected to eventually wind up in the same category as a cleared cannibal. His experiential track is too educated in evil and too uneducated in anything else. So even when cleaned up
    will need a lot of living.

    R/Sers are also very expensive people to keep around. They waste the available resources and produce overt products. They cost a fortune in waste, repairs, lost business. They also cost a heartbreaking number of damaged people.

    • mockingbird

      Marty Rathbun is certainly a lost soul. Why did you have him as the number two guy in all of Scientology ? Between your OT powers and infallible technology you surely should have immediately spotted him as a low toned DB ? Unless, there are no OTs in the Sea Org now ! Which must mean there never were any ! Because nothing could stop a team of mighty OTs ! And if there are no OTs and never were any then it stands to reason there were never any clears ! And so the whole of Dianetics and Scientology must be a fraud too ! WOW ! Thanks for clearing that up for me !

      The Posse of Lunatics story set me straight.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      How did you know I was a literal kicked-in-the-head Anti-Scientology Cultist?
      It is like you have super powers and can see right through me.
      Damn maybe there IS something to LRH’s pinks and grays filled ramblings.
      Do you take credit cards? I mean it only has a real low balance, and it is full but I have a feeling scientology can help me with that.

  • Chee Chalker

    I can’t wait to see how Marty explains the Squirrel Busters
    ‘They were invited guests! I don’t know where the ASC got the idea the Squirrel Busters were unwelcome!’

  • Leah Remini thanks Chris Crimy for the interview.

    https://twitter.com/LeahRemini/status/874445277494517762

  • Chee Chalker

    From Marty’s own blog: “Rehabilitation Project Force, Miscavige gulag).”
    But thank goodness the FBI and Justice Department listened to Marty.

    • PeaceMaker

      Thanks for that. I’d actually searched to look for what Rathbun had written about the RPF, and couldn’t find anything right off – that phrase actually appears in the piece Kirstie Alley Defends David Miscavige Posted on April 16, 2012.

      Technically, a gulag may not be human trafficking. I’m not sure where Rathbun is going with that sort of legalistic defense, though his underlying argument might be to claim that Miscavige has turned it into something that Hubbard didn’t intend – not that I think that is really supportable, either, but it is a common line of apologism used by indies and loyalists.

      • Chee Chalker

        There is a video out there where Marty describes his escape from this ‘rehabilitation’
        In it he says something along the lines of – I saw how dead eyed everyone looked (i.e. brainwashed) and I said ‘I’m outta here’

        If I find it, I’ll post it

        • PeaceMaker

          If you can find that, please let me know.

          I think that Rathbun is taking a very narrow and legalistic approach to his arguments here. “Dead eyed” does not actually necessarily mean brainwashed. I’m not saying that it shouldn’t in the case of the RPF, just that those of us who are interested should watch carefully exactly what it is that Rathbun is – or isn’t – saying.

          • Chee Chalker

            I will look for it because I don’t remember exactly the words he used but the message was everyone looked like zombies and he was not going to allow himself to be turned into that.
            I’ll find it. It will give me something to do at work!

  • mockingbird

    Is OT IX a new level of disappointment in a human being ? As in Marty Rathbun ?

  • Gus Cox

    Oh, for fuck’s sake there he goes again with another bullshit story pulled straight out of his ass! At 4:20: “I was a schoolteacher when I was 16…” bullSHIT he was!

    He’d always pepper his drivel with bullshit stories about how he was a (fill in the blank) to illustrate his points. Like the time he “became a cop – to see what they were all afraid of!” Or, “You know, being an old (fill in some exotic occupation), I know something of these things…”

    Illustrating bullshit concepts with bullshit stories – that’s L. Ron Hubbard.

    • PeaceMaker

      It’s been pointed out that it apparently is documented, that when he was visiting his father in Guam he taught English in a nearby village for 6 weeks. But it’s classic Hubbard to inflate that brief, minor experience into something much grander sounding, like a teaching career.

    • KKat

      You got a good way with words there, Gus. Yep -Big Like 🙂

  • Mick Roberts

    OT: My family went to DC today for a doctor’s appointment for my daughter. We decided to take the kids by the White House and Capitol (and a few other DC landmarks).

    Anyway, we were driving towards the White House and I just so happened to look to my right and see “Church of Scientology” on a building. I had never seen one of these organizations before, or at least had never recognized it (Aftermath got me passionate about this issue), so it was actually a pretty big deal for me personally. I pointed it out to my wife who said “Oh my God” and she locked the doors (while we were driving), which I found a bit amusing.

    Wish I would’ve stopped or at least taken a picture, but I was born and raised in the Deep South (Southern US) and just not used to driving in DC traffic so I was focused on the road with an iron white-knuckled grip at 10:00 and 2:00 on the steering wheel.

    Anyway, just a neat little tid-bit I thought I’d share. Didn’t notice any body routers walking around, but I may head back there with the kids one weekend just to check the place out…..on the outside that is. I have no reason to go in. I already know my “ruin” (it’s having a wife that hogs the damn covers every single freakin’ NIGHT……can Scientology help me with THAT?!?) and I don’t need an “Oxford” test to tell me that.

      • Mick Roberts

        Just Googled that and saw the outside. It didn’t look like that.

          • Mick Roberts

            Google popped “L. Ron Hubbard House”? I posted an image above, but the Wiki description says:

            “The L. Ron Hubbard House, also known as the Original Founding
            Church of Scientology, is a writer’s house museum and former Scientology
            church located at 1812 19th Street NW in the Dupont Circle neighborhood
            of Washington, D.C., United States.”

            Maybe that’s why there were no body routers if it’s a former church. The address on Wiki says 19th Street, but the one I saw was on 16th Street on Google Maps, and it’s definitely the building we saw.

            • PeaceMaker

              Actually, it vaguely rings a bell that I may have run across accounts of body routers there, maybe because as a museum in a prime location it does have some potential for recruiting. Their body routing seems to be pretty hit or miss these days, though most consistent in LA because they get trainees who are supposed to be put through it.

            • Mick Roberts

              There could have been some there. I just didn’t think to look for them due to being in shock at just seeing one of these places for the first time in my life…..and due to being heavily focused on driving in DC traffic at 4:00 PM. Didn’t really notice anything but the words “Church of Scientology”……that kinda jumps out at you when you’re just glancing around and not really expecting it.

      • Mick Roberts
  • mockingbird

    He is trolling us. In every video he accused others of using a propaganda technique or logical fallacy which he uses in that very same video. He discussed sophistry where he used it, he discussed using narratives where he used it. He here discussed people saying anything required and that is exactly what he is doing. He discussed denial and projection where he used them. This whole video series is trolling.

    • PeaceMaker

      And he defends Hubbard against attacks on his credibility (arguably, genetic fallacy) – but then attacks Jesse Prince’s credibility.

      I can’t tell yet whether he is just engaging in cynical sophistry, or is just so far gone that he can’t see the obvious contradictions and fallacies.

      But I still agree it is some sort of attention-getting gambit that is effectively trolling, regardless.

      • Mockingbird

        It’s meant to enrage anyone that actually has even slightly looked at rhetoric, fallacies, propaganda techniques etc. but why ?

  • mockingbird

    He denies the RPF with all the evidence for it being the most blatant attempt at brainwashing in all of Scientology. Try denying the sun next Marty.

  • Supper Powers

    Live! Live! Live!
    Seriously, Aaron is live right now.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=77CVqPc7eRc

    • ReallyMGM

      Aaron’s take on Scientology is much more entertaining and honest than “Martyrdom, or Same Old SHHT.”

      • Supper Powers

        People were looking for you earlier to check on how you’re feeling. FYI. They said to let you know if we saw you.

        • ReallyMGM

          Thanks for letting me know. I’m here is about all I can say. I feel like I have been in a war and lost, essentially having two surgeries for the disc fusion and the autograft. The surgery lasted about 3.5 hours and I was in my room at 1. The PT had me walking at 3:30. My neck hurts worse than it did before surgery, but my arm pain and weakness is already better. The graft site pain is 8.5/10. :((( It will be tough going through this part.

          Funniest thing. I woke up from anesthesia having a dream about being at a concert at a park. Don’t remember the details, band or park, but it was a good dream!

          Thx to Science Doc for all the pre op info. I was well prepared for the reality of this.

          • TexasBroad

            Glad to hear from you RMGM! Glad you checked in. One day at a time – and best wishes on your road.

          • Juicer77

            *holds MGM’s hands tenderly*
            Every day gets better. I promise. So glad you have noticed an improvement already.

    • Yay! I got it in the day’s ARS news cycle.

  • Wow. Mr. Rathbun’s pinched off another four videos since I last checked in. That’s some kinda cray-cray he’s a-peddling.

    • I suspect they were all done and “in the can,” as will be any videos released in the future. I really doubt he is shooting them now. They are too professional and take too much time. I think he (they) released them slowly at first to build suspense and get attention.

      Perhaps when that didn’t work, he (they) decided to release a bunch at once to get them out there. And/or to perhaps having them dissected on a daily basis.

      • If number seven is indicative of the level of excitement contained in the previous three, I’ll have to pass.

    • Jimmy3

      Quite a loaf he’s pinching.

      • I just watched it. All I heard was Plop! Plop! Plop!

  • Marty’s Going Clear, Part 7 is up.

    https://youtu.be/gG8Nr4Qx3aE

    • PeaceMaker

      Already noted and discussed a bit here, but thanks for your diligence and thoroughness.

    • DangDadgummit

      This turkey has turned into

      a pitiful, pathetic excuse for a human being.

    • “Alas poor Marty. I knew him Horatio.”

      • “He was a fellow of infinite… talking”.

        • Juicer77

          XD

          • I was going to say ‘infinite bullshit’, but that’s taken as read by now, and all I hear is Marty pointlessly going on and on and on.

            • chukicita

              Doxlessly as well.

      • Shivani33

        My gorge rises at it. Here hung those lips…
        Blergh. Never mind.

    • Shivani33

      What is with the button down shirt collar with the jacket? Why is the top button on the neckline being used? What sartorial hell is this? Is dressing this way part of Miscavige’s thorough-going Rathbun punishment? And what the hell happened to his hair? The man looks like death warmed up in a crock pot. The only words out of his mouth might as well be, “I’m not at liberty to say.”

  • Jimmy3

    Congrats to the Golden Flake Whoreiors

  • I’m liking this:
    http://www.goldderby.com/article/2017/ae-2017-emmy-fyc-mailer-leah-remini-scientology-bates-motel-news/

    http://www.goldderby.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ae-2017-emmys-mailer-620×360.jpg

    A&E has shipped off its 2017 Emmy FYC mailer to the TV academy membership, which includes eight of their hottest programs. Among them are the religious exposé “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath,” last year’s reality champ “Born This Way,” and the final season of “Bates Motel.” A link is also provided within the package for Emmy voters to watch even more episodes online at the A&E screening room. Scroll down to see which specific episodes the cable network has included on eight DVDs.

    DISC ONE: “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath” — This buzz-worthy contender for Best Informational Series or Special that shines a light on Scientology has included the episodes “Disconnection,” “The Bridge,” “Auditing” and “Golden Era.”

    This is what real “Emmy Considered” means.

    • EmmaDaoust

      I’m Emmy and I approve this message.

  • Oh dear. I don’t pay much attention to Mike McClaughry, but he’s in my territory on his last post. I’ll evaluate it in the morning.

    I predict that I’ll feel much dumber for the experience.

    • Jimmy3

      Reinforce your tinfoil helmet first. Be safe.

      • Mockingbird

        You definitely sound like an Alex Jones fan now.

  • outraged

    New Jersey hosted the first(?) drive-by protest yesterday.
    Perhaps this might work on a friendly neighborhood cult.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5e3008634aacf8b2d768ab7a165f4a97f7bdad75503167451099541865b1f6f.png
    http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2017/06/post_79.html

  • downtherabbithole

    Oh my Mr Rathbun is on part 7, I stopped watching at part 2 and that doesn’t seem like that long ago. Where does the time go?

    • GrangerFX

      Wherever it goes, it does so in seven minute segments.

      • downtherabbithole

        Than I will take comfort in knowing I gave him only 14 minutes of my time

  • 0tessa

    I just watched part 7.
    Now Rathbun is defending the RPF system as a true rehabilitation project …?!
    Is he serious? My god.
    Then a wild thought came into my mind.
    Might he and others by trying to repair the damage done to Scientology, be preparing a coup in Scientology? Putting Miscavige aside and taking over power?
    The more I think about it, the more I believe in it.
    It might make sense, doesn’t it and it’s long overdue also.

    • Newiga

      He’s already on part 7, is he? Busy little bee….

      • Jimmy3

        Using Scientology math I think

        • Newiga

          I dunno what kind of math he is on…. At this point (and prior to this) I’m like *SIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH*

        • Ann B Watson

          Marty uses Marty Math very difficult to solve because the numbers never tell the truth nor do the words used to explain whatever he is rambling on about.❤️

  • Kim O’Brien

    i have been up for an hour – since 3:30 . So i guess i’m a farmer now . Thanks peri menopause .

    ugh

    • Jimmy3

      That’s an odd name. Where’d you meet him?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        It’s awful. I’m going through it naturally and it suuuuuuuuuucks. Don’t mess with her. She’ll cut you and I’ll let her. 😀

        • Kim O’Brien

          i feel Amish LOL

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            I feel homicidal. Though it varies from day to day. 😀

        • Jimmy3

          This is my favorite place to be threatened <3

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Cause you know we love ya. 🙂 Plus, give me a little gun powder and a match, we’ll get that bleeding to stop. ROFL!

  • cactusflower67

    Am I the only one who finds Hubbard condescending and cruel in his attitude toward children? People are laughing as he talks, I don’t find him funny at all.

  • Lulu Belle
  • Lliira

    To become rich, sling bullshit quickly. People are really good at seeing patterns and making sense of nonsense. They’ll wrangle your words in their own heads and declare you a genius for saying things you haven’t, but that their brains are telling them you have.

    This is how bestselling hacks like Hubbard operate. Throw a lot of shit at the wall and soon, you’ll have other people deciding it’s the Mona Lisa. Usually only a small minority. But enough.

  • Angelbug

    LRH was SO captivating when he spoke.. He just had a way to be able to draw your attention so you hang on every word. He was an amazing public speaker as well as a writer. You just have to admire that talent he had..!