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Designer Rebecca Minkoff’s involvement in a Scientology front is pretty perfectly bad timing

[Rebecca Minkoff at a Scientology front group gala on Saturday]

Yesterday, we had a pretty big scoop — a public statement from Leah Remini’s stepmother, Donna Fiore, about being harassed by Scientology operatives to turn over dirt about her stepdaughter. But we also had a secondary story, and it turned out to kick up some dust as well.

We noted that the Fialkoffs — a Queens dentist and his daughter who work tirelessly to infiltrate New York City’s schools with Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s unscientific notions about drug abuse — had held their annual “Drug-Free Hero Awards” gala in Great Neck, New York, and that one of the people who appeared was longtime Scientologist and famous handbag designer Rebecca Minkoff.

After we posted Minkoff’s photo from the gala, we could practically hear the collective gasp of many of our readers who had no idea that their favorite designer was a Scientologist.

One reader in particular was horrified, and sent us this email…

I read your story this morning and had to send you a message – it was one photo and one caption that made me throw out three very expensive purses I am so ashamed I purchased In the first place.

I have been continually mortified at the abuses of the criminal organization called the Church of Scientology. I have read your book and read the Underground Bunker. And until this morning I never really connected my Rebecca Minkoff bags to Scientology (and Dr. David Minkoff of Lisa McPherson’s death too!).

I am officially trashing the purses I own, not giving them to any of my friends or giving them to a secondhand charity shop — these should go in the trash to rot in a landfill. And people should stop buying Rebecca Minkoff designs!

Yowza. That’s not a cheap form of protest, you can be sure. We went to Minkoff’s website and chose randomly the first three handbags that popped up under “new arrivals,” and they averaged $950 each.

We’re not sure how many people becoming hip to Scientology’s abuses would take a similar tack, but it got us to thinking about a couple of things. First, just how involved is Rebecca Minkoff in Scientology these days, and in what other ways are consumers unwittingly contributing to Scientologists who, there’s no doubt, are under intense pressure to turn over huge sums in donations.

As for Minkoff’s involvement, we spoke with Quailynn McDaniel, who we profiled earlier this year. McDaniel was a celebrity handler for the church, and Uri Minkoff, Rebecca’s brother, was one of Quailynn’s closest friends in Scientology.

“Rebecca’s involvement has increased over the years,” Quailynn tells us. “She wasn’t active until she got famous. Now the church has her deep in their pocket, but she didn’t start that way. Her brother Uri Minkoff came on as her CEO. He’s been a long time spy for OSA, trying to make up the damage his dad caused the church,” she says, referring to the Office of Special Affairs, the intelligence wing of the church. Quailynn had earlier produced OSA documents about her and her family submitted by Uri Minkoff, backing up her claim that he was submitting information about her. (Which, actually, all Scientologists are under pressure to do. Scientology is a snitching culture and it’s deeply embedded.)

Rebecca and Uri’s father is Dr. David Minkoff, a physician and Church of Scientology member, who was partly implicated in Lisa McPherson’s 1995 death. Minkoff had his medical license suspended for a year after it emerged that he had prescribed a sedative for McPherson at the request of the Scientologists caring for her at the Fort Harrison Hotel, even though he never actually examined her. If he had, perhaps he might have seen how bad her condition became. When Scientologists finally rushed McPherson from the hotel when it became clear that her condition was grave, they headed to the facility where Minkoff worked, bypassing closer hospitals, when she died along the way.

In November, our Rod Keller reminded us that David Minkoff is still in business and offering a wide variety of quack medical treatments. Uri Minkoff, meanwhile, has his own fashion line connected to his sister’s website, and Rebecca Minkoff continues to move up Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom.”

Scientology’s Source magazine issue 231, from April 2014, indicated that Rebecca had finally gone “Clear.”

We sent her an email through her company website, asking if she plans to continue on to Scientology’s legendary “OT” levels, and we also asked her about getting so publicly involved in a Scientology front like the Fialkoff’s anti-drug group at a time when Leah Remini is making Scientology’s controversies so well known.

We’ll let you know if she gets back to us.

As to our second question, we have pointed out in the past a couple of other businesses that are owned by wealthy Scientologists, and in those cases, we have proof that millions of dollars is going into Scientology’s coffers.

We don’t know how much choice attorneys have when they select a court reporting service, but they should know that one of the most successful reporting firms, Atkinson-Baker, is owned by Alan and Sheila Atkinson-Baker, who just this past year reached the donor status of Diamond Laureate for giving a cumulative $15 million to the International Association of Scientologists, just one of several ways that wealthy donors give money to the church.

And there’s another way that consumers may be giving indirectly to Scientology, and it’s maybe the most troubling of all.

At the end of 2015, Doug Dohring and his family reached the status of “Patron Laureate” for giving $10 million to the IAS. And why is Doug so wealthy? In part because parents around the country pay him $7.95 a month so their toddlers can learn on a gradient through the immersive service ABCMouse.com.

Well, we don’t expect even with all the awareness Leah Remini is bringing to the public that these businesses will suffer much of a dent. But we at least want our readers to be forewarned.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

We’re not familiar with this particular Training Routine. Perhaps one of our veterans can enlighten us about what’s going on here in this photo posted by the official Facebook page of the The Way to Happiness Foundation in Chelyabinsk, Russia. Actual caption: “No man is made more wretched than he who lives in the chaos of lies!” L. Ron Hubbard – The Road to Happiness

 

 
The Flag choir, trying so hard. How many Christians are going to fall for this? Plenty, probably.

 

 
Huge, if true.

 

 
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HOWDYCON ANNOUNCEMENT

 
Wow, we’re getting close to the start of HowdyCon 2017 in Denver. And we had a slight change in logistics from our caterer for our dinner on Saturday night, June 24. If you plan to go, make sure you have confirmed with Kim O’Brien, our coordinator, and visit our HowdyCon website where she has instructions for how you can pay for the dinner fee that night. You need to do that right away to make sure you’ll be included in the Saturday night festivities, which include:

— London-based Australian journalist Steve Cannane talking about his book Fair Game
— A spoken-word performance from former Sea Org official Claire Headley
— Cathy Schenkelberg performing for us scenes from her one-woman show, “Squeeze My Cans”

You don’t want to miss out, so please visit the convention page and get in contact with Kim.

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,773 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,530 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,876 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,370 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,410 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,122 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 648 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,737 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,877 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,197 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,172 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 528 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,830 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 937 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,339 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,212 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 793 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,298 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,542 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,651 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 6, 2017 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Jimmy3

    Moxon vs. Minkoff. No spaceships allowed. Who wins?

    • Missionary Kid

      Nobody. It’s a race to the bottom.

    • Supper Powers

      I don’t care, I just want to hear Moxon’s wife narrate it.

  • exccla

    was shopping at nordstrum rack [a discount store] last week and I saw 1 or 2 rebecca minkoff items . i wouldn’t try on anything with her name on it. i think she has designed shoes or clothes too. i will be boycotting her too.

    • Kestrel

      I can say with some confidence that I will not be buying Rebecca Minkoff creations of any type.

      • exccla

        of course.that goes for both of us !

  • Missionary Kid

    Jim Piersall, who played in major league baseball, has died. Piersall courageously wrote about his battle with mental illness in his book, Fear Strikes Out. Jim credits his recovery and ability to return to professional baseball after checking himself into a mental hospital for 6 weeks in his rookie season to his loving wife, caring doctors, and shock treatments. He played professional baseball for 17 seasons after his hospitalization.

    Fuck you, $cientology. Shock treatment helped Jimmy Piersall.

    • Sherbet

      To be fair, though, a tranquil life and mental health eluded Piersall even after his initial treatment. He continued to have volatile moods, and he divorced and married twice more after Fear Strikes Out was written during Piersall’s first phase of healing during which his wife was very supportive.

      However, you’re absolutely correct: ECT helps many people, and he was one of them.

  • nottrue

    I didn’t know Going Clear was my bible ..Oracle and CatDaddy are going to be happy but comments are closed right now …TIP..Skip this and watch Johnny Tank pull his thumb off.. https://youtu.be/ZFJdOhV29WM … Posted by Marty today

    • Oh dear. Where do we go from here..?

      Has someone hacked his abandoned site and posted an embarrassingly critical video from earlier days – or has Marty decided that he need attention again, despite no longer having anything new that he is prepared to say.

      Seem that the Marty Rathbun story isn’t over yet – but it has already become irrelevant to the larger picture.

      PS: I just listened to some of it (he has packed a whole minute of content into 6′ 24″). The bloke really, really has sold out big time, hasn’t he?

      • Bob Crouch

        This is what minute 16 of the “15 minutes of fame” looks like! Next…

    • Jimmy3

      “ASC”; “troll farm”; “sheep”
      that’s three shots right there
      we’re gettin drunk early today baby

      • Sherbet

        Hat trick!

      • MarcabExpat

        Don’t overlook “mimesis.”

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Marty Marty Marty.
      Such an obvious pivot to try to spin attention off the Leah Remini and Mike Rinder telling of long buried horrific stories of Child Abuse, Rape and more. Spin it back to a kinder era of mostly gloves on journalism and careful documentary that had a wary eye out for lawyers.

      The real horror is coming. Lip smacking attempts to intellectualize and reframe is just fail.

      • GrangerFX

        He complains that when he goes on camera, most of what he says is cut out. He then proceeds to ramble on for several minutes about nothing at all. Gee, guess why most of what you say gets edited? Here is a hint. YOU ARE BORING!

      • Observer

        Replied to the wrong post

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Well, what I “thought” I was doing was making a comment to Marty, by responding to nottrue’s post of Marty’s video. Because I sure as hell not going to Marty’s blog to comment.

          If It seems like I was coming down on nottrue, then I apologize for being imprecise. I’m responding to Marty’s video, not to nottrue for posting it. I consider it a great public service for nottrue to post Marty’s video, since the vast (half-vast?) majority of Bunkeroos will never soil their browser by clicking anywhere near Marty’s actual site.

          • Observer

            Oh, no, I really was trying to reply to Sherbet. I didn’t at all think you were ragging on nottrue. My decision to attempt (not always successfully) to ignore the Rathster is my decision, and I don’t expect everyone else to make the same one, and certainly don’t judge anyone who chooses differently. He’s a huge, flaming train wreck, and believe me, I understand the fascination.

            My sincere apologies for any offense. None was intended.

            • Sherbet

              Now I’m confused. Are we all good here?

            • Observer

              I hope so…

            • Sherbet

              And we’re still not going to listen to Marty.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              We’re good. You were actually saying YOU replied to the wrong post, and because everything seems like it’s all about me, I assumed that it was about ME replying to nottrue with a post that was addressed to Marty, but could be construed as somehow being a putdown of nottrue. Because well. Yeah.

              Anyway, there was no offense intentional or otherwise, just my misunderstanding and overly stumbling over my own feet trying to walk upright attempts to not offend anyone, myself.

              Whew.

            • Observer

              I blame Disqus. I had clicked reply on Sherb’s post and started to type, then suddenly the screen jumped (I’m on my iPad) and there I was looking at an empty reply box. It never occurred to me that not only did Disqus kick me out of my reply, it opened a new one on a completely different post. GREMLINS ARE REAL

            • Hours later, Disqus is still running painfully slowly for me (that’s one of the reasons the screen jumps – a delayed response to a click you didn’t know you made because of a slow ‘net connection).

              Funny how access to Mike Rinder’s site slowed down too, just about the same time Marty’s video appeared. Denial of service attacks are real, too.

    • GrangerFX

      Fascinating! I hope he makes more videos in this series (looks like he will).

      Point 1: The three “leaders” of the ASC (Tony, Mike and Leah? I have no idea.) are doing only because they are motivated by profit.
      Rebuttal: There are far easier ways to make money in this world than to try to scrape out a living going after Scientology.
      Point 2: The bible for the ASC is the book and movie “Going Clear”.
      Rebuttal: I never read the book. I am kind of meh about the movie. Leah’s series and other documentaries are far better IMHO. If that is our bible, how come we almost never mention it or quote from it?

      • Jimmy3

        Tony Ortega, Mike Rinder and flyonthewall

        • GrangerFX

          Of course. I should have known that immediately. Fly is a rich man, is he?

    • Supper Powers

      Say something meaningful, Marty!

      • Sherbet

        He thought you said, “Say something mean.”

        • Supper Powers

          He thinks way too highly of himself and then says nothing. Same old bullshit.

          • GrangerFX

            It is so painfully obvious that his main problem with Scientology is that he is not the pope.

          • Sherbet

            I haven’t watched it. I just don’t have the stomach for it.

            • Observer

              I haven’t and ain’t gonna. He’ll get nothing from me.

            • Sherbet

              This will be my version of boycotting Rebecca Minkoff.

            • I, for one, will never buy a handbag from Marty Rathbun on principle.
              So there.

            • Sherbet

              You’re tough.

            • Behave – or I’ll hit you with my handbag.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Who is he talking to? “you asked me to do this and I will but if I don’t like what you’re doing….” Who is “you”? Also, how old is this?

      • Supper Powers

        Took the words from my mouth. He is trying so hard to be relevant and credible. Fail, Marty, fail.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
    • MarcabExpat

      Edit: oh, memesis, not nemesis. Okay, that’s slightly more coherent, but still useless.

      I reckon he means outtakes from Louis’s stuff that he’s now deciding are important to post?

      Zee drama, eet nevair ends…

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Marty, you are an irreparably damaged arsehole who pontificates like you know something.
      You couldn’t buy a clue if I brought you to the clue store with a goddamn gift voucher.
      You have no idea what motivates me.
      You have no idea what motivates many of the people who have decided to say “No”
      to the works of the malignant narcissist you followed blindly for decades, breaking the
      laws of God and man en route.
      “Troika”?
      F&@k you.
      There are more of us than have ever claimed membership in that cancer you called your religion.
      ASC?
      Cute.
      From you, it seems more like a handy label to replace the “Beware of Wog” sign you hid behind.
      For profit?
      From a guy who wasted half his life for a false “prophet”?
      Read Russell Miller’s “Bare Faced Messiah” and quit this b/s about Larry Wright.
      Hubbard was a con, a plagiarist, a bigamist, a bully, a liar and a coward.
      And YOU can’t deal with it.
      Tough.

      Eat shit, you pseudo-intellectual idiot.

      Tick Tock

      ETA Whose narrative are you using, arsehole?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        “ASC” is being reframed by Marty into “Anti-Scientology Cult.” The origin of “ASC” is in the roiled clouds of alt.religion.scientology. It was well established before I started reading and posting in a.r.s.

        As I recall, it was the “alt.religion.scientology coordinating committee (wdne)” With the “(wdne)” being a self serving statement “we do not exist.”

        Marty is not a historian. He is an Hysterian.

        • MarcabExpat

          Maybe he’s just mad he never got the chance to be awarded an SP level and a Clam Cluster.

        • WDNE == ‘which does not exist’ I think. But yes -)

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      Wish I had followed your tip instead.

    • MarcabExpat

      It’s eerie. He’s come full LRH. He’s starting to talk like him.

      The only difference is he doesn’t attempt excruciatingly lame jokes.

      • Observer

        Yet.

        • MarcabExpat

          He did laugh nervously as though he couldn’t believe he was saying all this. So yeah, baby steps.

    • Puget Buckeye

      I don’t know how to put this into words, but here it goes. It looks like Marty’s grip on reality is slipping. He sounds more paranoid than usual, is using Scientology like words, is attacking a group of people he has lumped together as ASC. I’ve always felt that he was troubled, maybe even manic. But I think he is having real mental issues. And given his background, I doubt he will get any help. I know there will be jokes about this post, but I think we might have been and might be witnessing a man coming apart.

    • Qbird

      bah! He gots nuthin’… he gives nuthin’… but headaches & heartaches. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d842f2a06f731f16e0bd76014be9fb05ced57cbaba950f930b3cbd961cb66cab.jpg

    • BosonStark

      Damn, too much beating around the bush and then hard to figure out WTF he’s talking about.

    • PeaceMaker

      Unless I’m mistaken about the context, that’s old video footage from Going Clear that he has posted.

      Rathbun seemed to be doing some deep reading into Hubbard’s sources and contemporary thought, that I would have thought would have led him in a good direction. We’ll have to see what he puts up that actually represents his current thoughts and perspectives, but the conspiratorial bent of this piece isn’t promising. When I first saw that he had put something up, I thought it might be tied to the ongoing Aftermath series – and if anything, I’d think that he would find the focus of Leah (who wouldn’t have been in the picture then, if this is indeed an old video) on abuses rather than doctrine, to be something closer to his idea of what criticism should entail and to what he himself has done.

      Still, let’s wait and see what he actually comes up with. Too much speculation might only play into attention-seeking.

    • Techie

      Marty did not shoot this on his own. At about 4:14 there is a jump cut to a tighter shot, from a different angle, which means that it was probably a two camera shoot. Attention was paid to makeup and lighting. He may be using a concealed chest mike, which is a Golden Era Productions standby (Dave Miscavige has a patent on it). The only “tell” that it is possibly not a pro shot is that he should have stopped and gotten a drink of water to ease the “lip smacks”. Maybe he refused it. There’s something happening here and I don’t know what it is, guess we’ll know more soon.

      • sizzle8

        The angle looks the same to me. I would guess that the video was cropped and it results in a ‘zoomed in’ look. It definitely was edited and properly lit with a key light.

        • sizzle8

          Also, if you watch it at high res, I’d swear he has had make up applied.
          The pupils are reflecting the light from the camera setup.

      • PeaceMaker

        Isn’t this some of the unused footage from Going Clear, that he refers to at the beginning of the video? That was what I took from the context; he is talking to an interviewer, who he refers to as “you,” whose unwillingness to listen to his full story, he complains about.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Thanks for the heads up, I quit checking to see if Mutty had a new blog post months ago.

      True to form, Mutty does his best to sound professorial, but ends up prattling on about how greedy and deceptive the leadership “troika” of the so-called ASC are, while the rest of us sheeple just baaa-baaa mindlessly and get in line. Perhaps he’ll let us know who he’s talking about here in some future video. For sure, one of the accused has to be Tony, but who might the other two be? I can think of quite a few folks who he might be referring to there.

      Speaking derogatorily of anonymous others, but never naming them; making general and unsupported allegations; demeaning ex-cult members; using ad hominem attacks; trying to divert attention from the cult’s crimes and abuses…these are all tactics and ploys that the criminal syndicate posing as a charitable religious organization has used so many times before that it would be completely impossible for anyone who’s up to speed on the subject not to recognize them as such.

      Methinks Mutty may have found himself a new revenue stream after his career as a cult expert, author and consultant collapsed. Either that or he’s being blackmailed to carry the cult’s black water for them. If there’s some other plausible explanation for his behavior, then I’m certainly open to hearing it. Unfortunately, Mutty’s blog has been heavily edited to delete any and all such questions for some time now…which is also very much in keeping the cult’s practice of quashing divergent opinions and avoiding answering crucial questions.

      • Techie

        There is not enough information on this clip to make any sense of it. What is so special about “Going Clear”? The Sarge testimony about Hubbard’s last days? But that is also in one of Marty’s books and he has not denied it before. It would be really ironic if Dave got Marty to make his own “WhoIsMartyRathbun” video.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Killin’ me there with that image!

          Mutty is the anti-anti-$cn Cult’s version of “the world’s most interesting man”

          “I don’t always accuse those who forgave me for my many unforgivable crimes as the cult’s chief thug and enforcer; but when I do , I do it in such a vile and sociopathic way that everyone who forgave me is sure to rue that decision!”

    • Ang Madog

      Doesn’t Marty make his money “auditing” people as an Indie? Maybe he’s afraid the sudden deluge of CoS bad publicity will hurt that business. He’s deluded enough to believe auditing works, he no doubt wishes he could be the next LRH and start his own religion.

    • Lionel Drinkwater

      Marty has falsified the very premise of a documentary by asserting at
      the outset that the unnamed and mysterious documentarian has given him
      complete editorial control of the project. By definition, such an
      arrangement cannot be a documentary. Rather, this first video lets us
      know that this is “The Marty Show” in which he, acting as the executive
      producer, will present his chosen narrative while, a la LRH, decrying
      his version of SMERSH which he calls a troika.

      • The resemblance to Hubbard’s claim that the world (and the UK Government, which was then starting to investigate his activities) was secretly controlled by 6 men who worked for the Bank of England – and psychiatrists, of course – was striking.

        I suppose, given Marty’s background and lack of originality, his paranoid ideation is going to woven out of second-hand Hubbard.

  • Sherbet

    Can anyone get into Mike Rinder’s blog? I can’t today.

    • Jimmy3

      There is no Mike Rinder. You have been tricked.
      Welcome to Martyworld.

      • Rasha

        …only Zuul.

      • Sherbet

        I knew it all along. This was a test.

    • It won’t load for me (in the UK) – denial of service attack – or just a glitch? We will find out soon (might be tomorrow’s story).

      PS – took ages to load, but finally did – which does not rule out a denial of service attack… It’s a strange coincidence that his site should become slow just when Marty breaks his silence to earn his 30 pieces of silver.

      • Sherbet

        Now that I can get the site to load, the individual stories won’t come up. Hmmm. Something seems to be afoot, you say?

        • See my comment about denial of service attacks just above.
          Of course correlation does not imply causation – but still…

          • Sherbet

            Veddy interesting.

      • MarcabExpat

        So confused. It’s working for me perfectly normally and has all day, even posting comments. If there were something wrong with his domain I’d expect nobody could use it.

        • A denial of service attack occurs when someone hires a hacker to direct their ‘botnet’ (a network of computers compromised by a virus and partly under their control) to constantly access a web address and then ‘hang up’.

          The massive extra traffic either slows the site down a lot, or breaks it altogether for as long as the attack is paid for.

          As I say elsewhere, it’s odd that Rinder’s site should be difficult to get at just when Marty is earning his 30 pieces of silver because that’s a ‘coincidence’ that can be bought on the dark web.

          • MarcabExpat

            Yes, but what I’m getting at is that it hasn’t been slow for everybody. It’s really strange.

    • Mick Roberts

      Yeah, just takes a while for the page to load.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Is not loading for me. Going on minutes. Oops. Just loaded.

        Still, MUCH longer than normal, MUCH slower than evening this morning.

        • Sherbet

          I’ll give it another try. Maybe Mike forgot to pay his WiFi bill.

    • Kestrel

      Not that it helps, but it worked this morning.

      • Sherbet

        Well, that doesn’t help, vole-eater.

        • Puget Buckeye

          Ooooo, good one!.

          • Sherbet

            Ah, Kestrel knows I love him.

        • Kestrel

          I wish. The grasses are getting too tall to spot them easily and it’s too early for grasshoppers. Looks like I’ll have to snag a starling or sparrow.

          • Sherbet

            Mighty fine eating, they say.

            • Kestrel

              The fresh ones, yes.

            • Sherbet

              Urp.

    • MarcabExpat

      I’ve posted a couple of comments there today with no problem. One this morning and one this afternoon.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
    • Supper Powers

      Yay!!!!!!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Supper 🙂

        • Supper Powers

          Hey handsome! Glad to see you. Hope you’ve been busy with good things!

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Well, I haven’t been up to no good, so then it must be good things.

            When was the last time someone opened a window down here – the dankness is palpable.

            • Sherbet

              We plan to do a good spring cleaning while most Bunkeroos are out at HowdyCon.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              But that just means more work for the rest of us! Who planned this?

            • Sherbet

              You weren’t around, remember?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              *slaps forehead* I leave you guys alone for two months, and… Well, I should prolly have known.

            • SarahDB

              Let’s make him do the windows, nods, I hate doing windows. Wait, do we have windows??

            • Sherbet

              I don’t think there are windows in a Bunker, but this Bunker seems to have some surprising details.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              He can use newspaper like Ron said to do.

            • SarahDB

              find that policy, stat!

            • SarahDB

              we could have a fire in the fireplace here today, too chilly for June! 48º!

            • Sherbet

              We ran the heat for a little while. Crazy!

            • daisy

              Could you find a gentler vacuum for my tongue.

            • Sherbet

              Could you not sleep on the carpet?

            • Supper Powers

              I spend a lot of time in the outdoor kitchen because of it.

    • Sherbet

      Happy Dance! Halloooooo, Johnny Tank!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Sherb 🙂

    • Observer

      There you are!

      • Sherbet

        Just in case, ask for ID. Johnny, turn around.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I said I was never going to show my ass here again – but that doesn’t mean I can’t show my face, amiright?

    • Kestrel

      Welcome back! You’ve been missed. Not by me, but some of the others seem to care….

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I know you missed me – don’t deny it 😉

        • Kestrel

          OK. Yes, I missed you.

    • Miss you, buddy.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Hey, buddy! Miss you too 🙂 Hope you and the family are doing well.

        • We are good. Hope you and yours as well. Drop me an email or some contact info that will self distract shortly on some older post, so we can stay in touch occasionally.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I just did 🙂 Now I’m off to bed. It’s past midnight here.

    • Jimmy3

      ass or gtfo

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Aaaalrighty then: show me your ass.

        • Jimmy3

          Dammit Johnny. Good to see you here

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Good to see you too, three. Every time I lay down in the grass and find a shamrock, I say a voodoo spell and tear off one of the leaves. Did it work on you?

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. Yes it did. All my pants are gone

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Aaaw yiss! Finally you can live free, like me.

    • Rasha

      What corrupt Tech is this???

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I’ve been staring at it for two solid hours – it is AMAZING!

        • Sherbet

          If you ever figure it out, let us know. Tricky business.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Ha! I just posted a cats-do-sexy-pinup-girl-poses meme to Duck below. GMTA, doll. ; )

        • daisy

          I was lamenting just last night that I missed you and Johnnie. Now if we can get Longtime L to phone home all my wishes will have come true.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Aw, thanks, D! You must have had some voodoo working. Australia’s a ways away, though. Might take a while for the signal to get there.

            Johnny’s back and I haven’t seen a pic of his ass yet. JT, you’re rusty.

    • Qbird
      • Rasha

        Lemme guess… Somewhere Outside of Oslo……

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Lol – that’s our Rasha XD

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        A lake?!? You naughty temptress, you 😉

        • Qbird

          on the northwest side of the lake, water temp was 66 degrees ~ perfect my skyclad friend.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Sounds perfect. It does make me want to go for a swim.

    • JaxNGold

      Good to see you 🙂

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Good to see you too, Jax 🙂

        • TexasBroad

          LOL!
          ((Hugs)) Hey you! I missed you!

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Hi, Tex! Good to see you 🙂 Are you doing well? (((HUGS)))

            • TexasBroad

              I’m doing great – my kid too! Life turned around for the better all around here. 🙂

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I am very happy to hear that, Tex 🙂 I’m glad when good things happen to good people.

      • TexasBroad

        ((Hugs)) Hey you!

    • iampissed

      Johnny….glad to see you again.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Hi there! Still pissed, I see, lol.

    • Liberated

      Johnny, I’m so happy you’re back….we all missed you so much.

      My cat missed you too ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a816c5e3624f25611f0b76cea8eb1e2b2459cbfbdefa7d80df71c9123e85b93.jpg

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Hi, Lib! Missed you guys too 🙂 Ouch, poor cat – what happened to his ear? He should stay off the Absinthe, lol.

        • Lolow 0708

          ,,,but absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.

        • Ann B Watson

          Hello Johnny. I missed you.🌈

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Hello, Ann!

      • Friend Vincent, why did you cut your ear off?

        Van Gogh: Pardon?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Gaugain?

          • TexasBroad

            Bwaahhaaa…It took a second, but then I spewed!

    • daisy

      That porn movie you were doing kept you away longer than the usual ones. So nice to have you back.

      • Kestrel

        A news article suggested he paid them to do retakes.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I regret nothing!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I’m not as young as I used to be *looks down in shame*

  • ReallyMGM

    Not from NYC, but I have seen the how CoS sneakily slips into schools. I see the Scientology galas for drug-free heroes and whatever they dream up to fleece money from the sheeple and drum up PR for a faux event.

    I can’t help but think of SLAM NYC, the LEGITIMATE charity for a much needed recovery high school, actress Kristen Johnson has been working her ass off the ground for almost 10 years. In case you are wondering, I asked her on Twitter if it would have any Scientology “Drug Free World” or Narconon stuff and her response was, “HELL NO!” I don’t know if the school ever got going, but if it did it has nothing to do with Narconon or CoS.

  • 0tessa

    Seen the video Marty Rathbun posted today on his blog?
    Can’t figure it out.

    Edit: sorry, apparently old news already.

    • Supper Powers

      The conversation about it is downstream.

      • 0tessa

        Thanks. I just saw it.

  • RK

    Well, I didn’t know who Rebecca Minkoff was, so I went to her website. The stuff wasn’t so bad – just a little pricey. I looked at the clothing line of tops and dresses for women and instantly recognized the simple, loose styles from the late 60’s and early 70’s that girls used to sew for themselves – lots of peasant blouses and little skirts, light shifts, etc. Attractive and comfortable and easily made at home with a simple pattern, a couple of yards of fabric, lengths of elastic and the old Singer sewing machine. The prices are very high for items that could come right out of a 9th grade home economics class. Eschew this brand and learn to sew.

    • I wonder where she gets the labor to make them?

    • ReallyMGM

      When you said home-ec class I had to go look. Those tops looked like my first sewing projects!

    • SarahDB

      simplicity patterns! even I could do them!

  • Mick Roberts

    Just listened to Marty’s video. Sorry, but I just don’t get it. Accusing people of just piling on, replacing names, and regurgitating the allegations? What are we to do, stop talking about it? Stop increasing awareness of this organization? Just stay silent now? Isn’t that precisely what Miscavige would want us to do?

    • iampissed
    • Bob Crouch

      Tellingly, “comments” are disabled both on his blog and the youtube video. I guess at this point he just likes to hear himself talk without any interference from the “anti-scientology cult” of his imagination or even without fluff jobs from his amen corner. So just like DM, questioning and criticism–or even divergent perspectives–are verboten.

      • […] fluff jobs from his amen corner

        That phrase really made me grin 🙂

    • PeaceMaker

      Mick, I made a few more comments downstream, including that from what I understand of the context, this must be some of the old video material from Going Clear.

      Marty does have some valid criticisms of the ways that internet groups tend to function (or be dysfunctional) – I remember talking to some EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) guys in the old days of the ARS newsgroup, and even they were a bit dismayed by some similar things. But at least at the point that he did this video, he was going overboard on the conspiracy theories – cooperation and collaboration is not necessarily devious collusion, a point that paranoids without enough social connections, often seem to miss.

      I think I have a couple of similar bents of personality and behavior that I have to try to keep in check, and so can sympathize a bit and point out that Rathbun seems to tend to be an idealist and perfectionist, not surprising for someone who ended up the Inspector General of an organization like the CofS. He turned on Scientology when he finally saw that it failed to meet up to his ideals of perfection, and the Scientology critical community and the internet in general are messy and full of human failings and foibles.

      We’d have to see what he actually writes, that’s new, to get an idea of where he’s at and what he’s up to these days. And I see no reason to count on him necessarily following this video post up with anything, anytime soon. It’s even possible that for whatever reasons his is not writing about Scientology anymore and is not going to, but couldn’t resist making his presence known again by throwing up that clip.

  • Bob Crouch

    Maybe this has been mentioned before. But if you haven’t seen it: The St. Petersburg org was raided today as part of an ongoing criminal investigation by the Russian gov’t into our favorite cult. There are several news articles about this; so it should be easy to find.

    While this could not have happened to a nicer guy (cult), I am NOT taking sides here as to whether these gov’t actions were justified or whether the Russian gov’t should proceed differently (if at all). THAT is definitely a somewhat controversial issue in its own right. Just bringing attention to a relevant news item, is all…

    • For my money, the enemy of my enemy is not my friend. The only practical difference between the present Russian regime and Scientology is that one owns the powers of the state and the other doesn’t – in principle they are both equally abusive and oppressive – the rulers of Russia can get away with more, is all.

      It might even be counter-productive, as it gives Scientology an opportunity to cry ‘religious persecution’ that might look feasible to those who don’t know all of the facts.

      • Bob Crouch

        I am with you: The problems you are naming are indeed very real.

        Frankly, I am less concerned with the “church” crying ‘religious persecution.’ That boy has cried ‘wolf’ too many times and will continue to do so whether given a reason or not. (I am not discounting your point, just putting it in perspective–mine anyway.)

        Does a gov’t have the right (or even obligation) to investigate an organization that it feels is defrauding its citizens? Which is what the Russian gov’t alleges it is doing. A slippery slope under ANY circumstances. Other European gov’ts as well as Australia have been down that road–with mixed results.

        On the other hand–as you are correctly pointing out–we ARE talking ‘Russia’ here. THAT is cause for concern in itself!

        • PeaceMaker

          To me, the other even more troubling question, is does a gov’t have the right (or even obligation) to investigate an organization that it feels is actually covertly opposed to the government and the majority of its citizens, intending to undermine the authority of the one and the rights of the other? That tension plays out more obviously in Germany, still dealing with its totalitarian past.

  • TexasBroad

    Here’s my theory (haven’t read all the comments yet so might have already been offered)…Marty is doing a documentary for SMP. In relation to that, they can pay him whatever they want. Settlement? Move along, there’s no settlement here…we have a contract related to this documetary on the ASC.

    • We must not adhere to our narratives in order to be able to see the truth. Or something.

    • Observer

      Translation: PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEE

      I can hardly wait till he teams up with Joy Villa.

      • Joe

        I’m still reeling from Leah’s very succinct tweet about him being “silenced” by his former religion.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Now, that would be shoop worthy.
        Marty in orange construction fence webbing or a Trump dress,
        Princess Joy Villa Von Rumplestiltskin in Sea Org uniform with
        medals, assorted golden braided ropes and a fascist salute.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          It would be interesting to see who would be wearing the epaulets in this family.

          I got an idea for Joy’s Sea Org uniform: Just epaulets and various colored lanyards along wth strategically placed medals for valor, Out-2D, nature photography, autotune, and one of those kicky pisscutter hats with scrambled eggs tilted at a fetching angle.

          Marty’s would be spray painted with that new perfect black, absorbs 99.99999% of light hitting it. As if he isn’t already a black hole.

        • Observer

          I decided a long time ago not to shoop either of them: I don’t want to give M real fuel for his faux martyr syndrome or feed Joy’s ravenous appetite for attention.

          That said, I’d love to see what Mark would do with it…

        • Ann B Watson

          What an Image! Pan you shine more brightly than any golden braided rope could ever emit! 💛

    • Puget Buckeye

      I asked down thread who he was talking to. Do you really think he doing this with SMP?!?

      • TexasBroad

        At the very least, I think he is going to do a documentary for someone and be paid directly or indirectly for that by the church. But I’m obviously speculating.

    • At this stage of the game, Scientology management is under siege and totally out-of-touch with reality, so anything could happen.

      We should not be thinking ‘this is too weird to happen’ – we should be asking, ‘is it weird enough to be true?’

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Malignant narcissists are very sensitive to criticism of all types, but the kind that mocks their intelligence and competence really dials up the butt hurt and makes them want to strike back with a vengeance. So far, lil davey has been nothing but mocked for his rote, predictable and completely ineffective retaliatory responses to Leah and Mike’s full frontal assault on the cult and his sadistically sociopathic leadership of it.

        He’s more than likely casting about for something (anything!) that could be an effective counter-attack strategy because, so far, the LRH Dirty Tricks Playbook just ain’t cuttin’ it. Getting Mutty to flip back over to the Dark Side would sure feel like a win to him, regardless of how effective that move might be in the larger scheme of things.

        • The trouble is, the moment Miscavige latches on to people, their career tends to slide – and Marty had used up all of his media credit before he sold out.

          He didn’t have anything new that he was prepared to say and, after underestimating Louis Theroux, was pretty much revealed for what he was – a self dramatist with an agenda of his own every bit as weird as that of the CofS.

          I think that when the media jobs dried up, he knew nothing that would qualify him for real world employment (that would have been a re-run of Hubbard’s Naval career – “this officer seems to think he has extraordinary abilities in all fields” or something like that) and would not have lasted long. His career as a self-published novelist tanked.

          He didn’t have anywhere to go but back to Miscavige – and was lucky enough to find that the man thought he needed a sell-out.

    • iampissed

      Interesting thought.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I had that thought myself. I was trying to see how many Hubbard books were in the bookcase behind, but too blurry. I bet it is either a SMP “documentary” or one filmed by a faux company, but actually run by SMP.

      • Supper Powers

        Maybe there wasn’t anyone interviewing him.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      That’s a very interesting conjecture, TB! The SuMP is scheduled to come on line very soon, so what we just saw in that short vid could have been a preview of a much longer piece that may air there. He mentioned that he’d be going into more detail further on, concerning the so-called ASC “troika,” but didn’t come back to that point in that short video segment.

      • I initially thought someone had hacked Marty’s long-abandoned site and posted an earlier video there to embarrass him. When I heard the lines ‘there are only three people doing all this and they are doing it for money’ I thought he was referring to Scientology. It wasn’t until I steeled myself to plough through more that I realised how completely the man had sold out.

        Whenever I see Marty now, I wonder how he rationalises all this to himself, and think of the strange, contradictory, alliance of aged fanatics in Kurt Vonnegut’s novel, “Mother Night”.

        When he ran away from Scientology, he wanted to be king of the indies. They wouldn’t have him. Then he wanted to be king of the critics. They generally welcomed what he had to say, and supported him – but wouldn’t worship him either. Now, he is wholly owned creature again. That’s sad, but his own doing.

        One things for sure – if Miscavige died tomorrow, Marty would be would be trying to barge to the head of the queue of claimants to the throne. and be able to ‘justify’ himself without turning a hair.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          That’s one of the few Vonnegut novels that I haven’t read, so I’ll have to pick it up.

          Yesterday, when the video was first posted here, I mentioned that I could only think of two primary motivations for Mutty to be carrying the cult’s black water: Either he’s been flipped back to the Dark Side and is back on the cult’s payroll and doing DM’s evil bidding, or he’s being coerced/blackmailed to do so, with the real threat to his freedom or family being hung over his head by the tiny tyrant.

          I’d like to think it’s the latter, not because I wish to see him suffer or be forced to betray himself, but because that’s the more generous and “faith in humanity preserving” possibility. The idea that someone who’s fled the cult and not only awakened to the reality of its thoroughly evil nature, but written extensively about it, could flip back over to once again embrace it fully despite that understanding of its truly evil nature is pretty disheartening.

          Either way, Mutty’s name within the $cn-critical community is going to be mud from here on out. I’m afraid that when you’ve been the instrument of as much evil as he has, you only get one chance at redemption with those that you’ve been instrumental in harming. Indeed, he was extremely fortunate to have been accorded such generosity of heart by the many he harmed in the first place!

          • Pretty much.

            PS: ‘The cuckoo clock in Hell’ passage in “Mother Night” could have been written to describe some Scientologists.

    • Bingo!
      I love to yell “Bingo!” when they call my number at the deli counter.
      Gets a laugh.

      • TexasBroad

        Love it!!! I am incorporating that into my repertoire of shenanigans.

  • Breaking news! Rebecca Minkoff goes into hiding as a direct result of today’s post (rehashed old shoop):

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d005e6a9330128c6a2fd88f02f2cad4ef5d9c8389bdf90a537b0038eacdda7ec.jpg

    • Rasha

      47k ThetaBucks for “Vibro-Wobble”!!!! XD

  • Rinder’s blog is back on.

    • Elegant Mess

      It was off?

      • It was not loading for a few of us in the last hour or so.

        • Elegant Mess

          Eep! Looking good now. 🙂

    • iampissed

      I understand you can get something at the drug store that will freeze it off.

    • daisy

      Hey Dodo is covfefe a Russian word ? Marty is something eh !

      • Haha! Not that I know of. Also, I can’t talk about it.

        • daisy

          lol

  • Elegant Mess

    O/T: But to add to our fellow contributor’s photographic efforts, here are a few pics of body routers at Vermont & Sunset in Los Angeles this afternoon.
    F5 (flip tech may be needed)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c4b8f9deb5754051d5a00a7652ef4415aea738c677f0da954fc3746f86412896.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e450bbda3a3daed693924850ad167ea36b84b1b9a442cfbbf4fa86885f7b954c.jpg

  • iampissed

    That looks like one very uncomfortable man.

    • Elegant Mess

      What? The ear pasta in the second to last photo?

  • Jory

    Definitely off topic.

    Hi folks! I’ve been lurking here every day for MANY years, reading most everything and posting very little, mainly because I was too lazy to dig out my password.

    I’m attempting to post this on BOTH Mike’s and Tony’s sites, because those are the main ones I religiously read, so please excuse me for that.

    So, my name is Jory (Giora) Kenneth and I’m from Israel. I fell into Scientology in 1978, had really fabulous results doing Life Repair, got my sister & a few friends in too and flew off to LA (dual citizenship) for 7 years – closer to Source you know… Being a professional musician I studied at CC, got objectives, Method one, did the Book One auditors’ course and the NED course. I audited and got audited on both ‘Dianetixes’ and wasted my time on a shitload of minor courses. NON of the above auditing & courses did me any real good, although I was impressed by the ‘thoroughness’ of the NED system. Like most of us I did my best to drown out ‘the bad voices’ in my head. One day it was adjudicated that I became ‘Clear’ at some mysterious junction on an earlier cycle. Aha. Yep. For sure.

    Leaving the cult took a while. Non surprisingly I was connected almost exclusively to $cientologists – friends, work “and so forth, don’t you know, it’s fascinating really” (a kind of a joke). A lot of time was spent (read: wasted) at CC. I remember in ’82 when these excommunication pamphlets started to appear on the walls. It took me nearly a year to actually LEAVE the ƒÚ©∆ing Turdch. I shudder to think about it, but if it were not for that great upheaval I may still be in, Dear God. It was a sort of avalanche. The way I see it, LRH, the CMO or whatever kicked out too many people all at once.

    More crazy info seeped out of cult. As far as I was concerned it was all lies and the people spreading them were all SP’s, even though I had known most of them previously. Slowly, step by step, a year maybe, as if painfully pealing off so many band-aids it dawned on me that these rumours were probably true, and then finally things started to make sense!! I got a glimpse of the immensity of the lie. It was an incredible time for me, I felt that I got my brain and self-determinism, MYSELF really, back and I was energised by just knowing that I was on the ‘good’ side now.

    Finally I did leave – I insisted on doing it by the book because I knew I was right: letters (to Ron too, how pathetic), O/Ws with the MAA, A Rollback cycle and finally some hard core auditing (free! Offered by the powers that be, unheard of!). A newfangled-Class-whatever auditor audited me at AOLA, and the funniest thing happened: I actually had this Cognition that I GOT TO LEAVE SCIENTOLOGY! And this occurred, FN and GI’s in session right in front of this auditor face! He was speechless, gestured to me to wait and returned promptly with three or four of his buddies and they proceeded to do an obviously out-tech version of Gang-Bang-Audit on me. It didn’t help them very much; I just KNEW that this Scientology thing was over for me and I told them so. I easily ‘kept my TR’s in’, gave them my natural smile and did what really amounted to a Michael Jackson Moon-Walk outa there. It was a great moment. That was in 1984 I believe. Soon after I wrote a resignation letter to ‘The group I was pretending to be part of’. Heehee.

    During that time I got together with many well known and influential scientologists and came in touch with a lot of ‘new’ data. I met some great people and made new friends, all SP’s of course. I had a ‘non enturbulation order’ on me, lost almost ALL my clam friends, some of which had written Knowledge Reports on me for being, among other things, a Joker & Degrader. I detest that KR mentality, and specifically in this case because I love and need humour of all sorts in my life.

    For what it’s worth, and even though so many people here have had a life-experience so much more dramatic and sometimes tragic than mine, I do feel like continuing my story at a later point, delineating what has become of me in relation to this cult. How I’m still obsessed with that AssHole ‘Ron’ and his craziness etc. And how I became a sort of an expert in regard to this cult in Israel. And yes: My sister is still a Scientologist and she and her family disconnected from me and mine, just as expected. What losers.

    Apparently I can’t let go, and I’m not sure that’s a good thing.

    • Supper Powers

      Sorry your sister disconnected from you. Ron was a loon. Glad you’re out.

    • TexasBroad

      Welcome out of lurkerdum, Jory. Thank you for sharing your story and I’m sorry about your sister.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d057f7837ea1d51c25c5f52260cb67f038b4556a63da5cd5ec576e83f0b35ccf.jpg

    • Welcome, Jory.

    • Observer

      Not off-topic in the least. Welcome!

    • echoing the welcomes. you’ll like it down here with the snarky riff raff. i’m not so sure you can’t let go … you maybe just haven’t forgotten, and that’s okay.

      eti: i enjoyed your Dziggy Stardusht

    • Juicer77

      Welcome. Thanks for sharing. I am sorry you have lost so much to $ci.

      • Ann B Watson

        Yes thank you Jory. I send you laughter, light and Love. We all have been through the grinder that is Scientology. I have walked my path in the Sea Org and I will never stop calling the Cult out yet I can laugh at so much of the OT bs now and cry at the evil actions still ongoing, I am sorry I will light a candle for your sister that she looks up and gets out.❤️

    • Observer
      • Kim O’Brien

        EVERY TIME LOL !!!!!!!

    • SarahDB

      glad you are here Jory, nice to have a lurker come out of the weeds!

    • Rasha

      Hello, Jory. We take our J&D very seriously. That you realized the methods they would use after you decided to leave is important. It gives us hope for your sister and her family, who are not losers, but rather, temporarily lost. Your “obsession” is the natural reaction of someone who realized that they have been controlled, willingly or not, and this is why we learn and joke and share and support each other.

      Also, we have caek and kittehs and awesome music videos to share. And a big friggin’ Bunker Sofa. *pats cushion* Skootch over, everyone!

    • iampissed

      Well if that’s off topic….I can hardly wait, Welcome.

      • iampissed

        Jory just went waiting for moderator. I’m just a messenger.

        • JaxNGold

          Strange…

        • ExCult.Jan

          Based on the responses I can see, please pass on my Jory welcome, too.
          *scooches over*

  • Techie

    Ironic ad banner of the day, for the Anti-Scientology Church. Go forth and Joke and Degrade, ye Suppressive persons, may the farce be with thee. Ramen. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/717be11dd79df2b1338e9a5ca3462652590b4fd0f5d413664d151ec8b5ec3cc8.png

  • Supper Powers

    This is TOT: As a reader of work by a journalist who protects not only his sources, but his readers, too, I found this piece particularly alarming. Regardless of what anyone may think of the source, she deserved to be protected by the journalists. That they may have colossally fucked up just sucks. And it makes me grateful TO is so diligent and professional.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-intercept-leak-20170606-story.html

    • SarahDB

      creepy!

    • Rasha

      Printer/scanners do appear to have several “security features”, like the ability to detect the “EURion Constellation” on money, or encode identifying info, and any government scanner/copier output should be cropped or blurred, or both. In fact, Rasha’s scans are fairly low quality, but I’ll have a look to see what encoded info they contain……

      *climbs into Faraday Cage*

    • Noesis

      Most modern digital printers leave embedded identification codes in their output – that is not unique to those used at the NSA or other spook shops.

      I’ll offer this: the leaking of the asserted “months-long Russian intelligence cyber effort against elements of the U.S. election and voting infrastructure” plays very, very well into the narrative that has been coming out of the “intelligence community” for many months now.

      What a coincidence…a “leaker”…fills the news cycle with exactly the same narrative already being pushed by earlier leakers. And she was arrested for doing so!

      This entire story has a foul / phony odor.

      It (again) provides no evidence of the Russian “cyber-effort” but it does keep the drama going on, and on, and on by recirculating the same rumors and innuendo out of different mouths…as taught in spook “tradecraft” schools everywhere…on this planet. (lol)

      It almost seems like a mimesis effect.

      Lol.

  • Heinz Arsch

    Marty just posted a Video.. Seems to be part 1 of an upcoming series about defectors. He doesn’t seem like himself, constantly drying up. https://youtu.be/ZFJdOhV29WM

    • Juicer77

      Second verse same as the first.

      • Ann B Watson

        Thank you Juicer77 You Warm no make that enflame this old heart. 💜❤️

      • Jackie is a punk. Judy is a runt. They went down to the Mudd Club and they both got drunk.
        Oh yeah.

        • Robert Eckert

          Mikey got with Sharon, Sharon got Cherise, she was sharing Sharon’s outlook on the topic of disease, Mikey had a facial scar and Bobby was a racist, they were all in love with Di and they were doing it in Texas

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I thought the lyric went, “they were all in love with dyin’…”

            Eh, whatever. The Butthole Surfers can eat me. OK…that sounds…odd…At any rate, after they screwed over Corey Rusk at Touch & Go, I had no more patience for them.

            But now, for whatever reason, you’ve got me singing the lyrics to 88 Lines About 44 Women: “Judy came from O-Hi-O / She’s a Scientologist…”

    • Stinky Wizzleteets

      So……WHO’s pocket is he in now? Let me think about it…….

    • This appears to be the first of a series for videos. Comments are closed.

      Marty says a troika are: (1) the leaders of the Anti-Scientology Cult (ASC); (2) doing it for profit; and, thus, (3) are the only “farmers” of the ASC. Marty does not name them. He says each member of the troika believes they are the leader.

      Marty also says Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief, by Lawrence Wright and the subsequent documentary by Alex Gibney are the “Bible” of the ASC. Marty ends the video by saying that he will therefore address them first.

      • Noesis

        LOL.

        I love it when someone who spent nearly their entire adult life in a tiny violent cult lectures others about how THEY should think / behave in the larger world.

    • Vault Digger

      Which of the steps A to E do you think Marty is on now? Was John Sugg behind the camera for SMP?

      • Supper Powers

        Marty is doing A-E while Rinder is doing A&E.

      • Heinz Arsch

        Actually I don’t know what to think any longer. But this would be a tame attempt of step A. But then, Marty would get special treatment at first. Let’s wait and see what will unfold in upcoming statements. Overall, very low on the Tone Scale..

      • No steps. Its required by his secret settlement agreement.

    • Noesis

      HEY MARTY:

      There is some truth to what you say about a “mimesis effect” within the major media regarding the acceptable narratives that run through the culture.

      So what.

      It is human nature.

      Grow up and expand your consumption of media outside the mainstream.

      And here’s another piece of advice: You spent the bulk of your adult life in a cult where people had to listen to you once you had ascended the ladder of the para-military, soul sucking, violent, oppressive and dishonest culture of the Sea Org inside Scientology.

      You are not in a cult anymore and there are many, many diverse opinions / personalities in the real world.

      Nobody HAS to listen to you anymore…and you haven’t yet mastered the skills of interacting with others in a non-homogeneous culture / society that includes assholes, saints and everything in between.

      Climb down off that imaginary mountain you still think you are on and come talk to us lowly earth people in manner that does not cause the bulk of the population to razz you for being a pompous jerk.

      Or not.

      Either way is fine.

      Right now you are pretty close to irrelevant.

      • Robert Eckert

        “mimesis” effect is what he is trying to say

        • Noesis

          Thanks.

          I typed it accurately but did not notice that auto-correct had changed it to nemesis. Lol.

          I guess you could say that mimesis is Marty’s nemesis.

  • Troikas? Bibles? Complete editorial control? If I knew no better, I’d guess Rathbun’s taken to 25-year old Macallan and Kool-Aid cocktails:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d8f787ec2da057fdf15334496428448a3123e1a045a976dfb57fa85dedc09b1.jpg

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Great day on the Bunker – Assman returns, 3 lurkers delurk – welcome, and Marty brings the lulz.
    If this is what SMP brings, for F&@ks sake, hurry up.
    It’s been a year already and nada.

    Bring it on, mothers.

    • Vault Digger

      Correction, a troika of lurkers

    • PerpetualOutflow

      ^^^^^^^

  • nottrue

    All I can say is…….Oh by the way I did hit the Daily Troikas at the track the other day. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68b1e5bad13112bea299fe5a2b05288d8f8e40cdbdbdd7581f2c10e9b485cdd7.jpg

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Omar’s comin’!

  • nunyabidnes

    I was reading this article in the Salon today, and it is just so much Hubbard. The part about the mind being like a machine, and if you just manipulate it the right way (and Hubbard alone knows the right way), you will get the outcome promised. No need to think. No need to figure it out. It’s a simple process that always produces the same results. The article is really about how authoritarian leaders come to have so much power. It identifies characteristics followers need to have in order to actually believe these bozos. Much food for thought. https://www.salon.com/2017/06/06/how-authoritarian-leaders-get-away-with-it_partner/

  • Supper Powers

    If Marty really wanted to have a conversation with the ASC, he’d come to HowdyCon and sit down with us at dinner. He won’t ’cause he’s a petty little bitch, just like his BFF.

  • Kim O’Brien

    OK ..so I am here in NY ( ok …Long Island ) and at the hotel bar . Two ” michelle’s” are sitting next to me . Both darling . And they are talking their asses off about Leah’s show . ” OMG those people are fucking cray cray ”

    I am dying . Srsly …this is just sssooooo bizarre and funny and odd and one michelle just told the other michelle – to watch the HBO doc LOL

    • Supper Powers

      You have to talk to them!!!

      • Kim O’Brien

        they are ” michelle’s ” . I gotta wait til they get drunk first or else they will think i am trying to steal their hair spray and super black eyeliner ( applied to top and bottom of the eyes no less ) and the light blue eyeshadow .

        • Supper Powers

          If you show them the Bunkersite with your shoopness, I’d love to see the look on their faces.

        • daisy

          Michelles ? a movie ?

          • Kim O’Brien

            no …just an ” ism ” . Long Island has a lot of chicks named ” Michelle ” and it is one of those east coast jokes . Like when someone says they are from New Jersey – the joke is …” What exit ” ?

          • Rasha

            A cute, attractive young woman who gets attention whether she tries or not, people-friendly, mostly, and gregarious. I am personally associated with an actual Michelle, who fits the definition of “michelle”. She can’t help but be popular.

            • Kim O’Brien

              they really are darling . I want to make them a sandwich …but they are totally darling

    • Jimmy3

      Is Michelle cute? If not, is the other Michelle?

      • Kim O’Brien

        they both look the same . One is blonde and the other is brunette . How they look like twins ..is totally beyond me

        • iampissed

          No redheads…..goes in corner and pouts.

          • Kim O’Brien

            plus …the bartender has the baseball game on . Yankees vs Red Socks . They want to marry NBA players cuz baseball players are old and gross .

            I am loving this LOL

            • Rasha

              Live-blogging at its finest! ^_^

            • Kim O’Brien

              they are on their way to a free Lincoln Park concert . So that should just about cover it LOL

            • Rasha

              Perfect.

            • iampissed

              Tell them that if they yell real loud LRH sucks they will get spotted on TV.

    • iampissed

      Had that happen in an elevator last year.

    • iampissed

      Just show them the I’m freaking crazy bracelet Tony makes us buy.
      Just so,they are clear of what is going on.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i ain’t got no bracelet . This cult sucks

        • Rasha

          The most awesome cult that ever sucked. ^_^

          • iampissed

            Chicken dinner!

        • Puget Buckeye

          That’s what we need! Bracelets! So that when we’re out and about, we will know each other and who we can trust!

  • GfldedKim

    Did Marty just freakin call me a sheep!! And Tony is the farmer! 😳🐑 👨🏻‍🌾
    This has to be during the My Scientology Movie..but he is dressed a bit better. 😂

    • Supper Powers

      Oh he lost weight and is looking spiffy. This is a full fledged Marty Makeover.

      • GfldedKim

        😂👏

      • Elegant Mess

        I dislike listening to Marty speak almost as much as I dislike listening to DM. Is the video worth a watch for this makeover, or should I continue ignoring?

        • GfldedKim

          Ummm. He is one weird dude..but I do think this is going to be an ongoing thing. This is NOT going to end well for him..

        • Supper Powers

          Meh, it’s just recycled complaints with the usual hostility and condescending vocabulary. The haircut isn’t worth it.

        • iampissed

          Pick it up on reruns.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Watch only if you need a sleep aid. It’s full on but spiffed up Marty in a tortuous grasping for something…a justification, an exoneration, retribution, retaliation, amends, a few minutes back in the spotlight–who knows?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I don’t buy high-priced Minkoff handbags but I was disappointed with the new Disney ride “Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout”. One of the six songs that they play during the ride is “Free Ride” by The Edgar Winter Group. Assuming that Edgar still gets royalties for this song and that he continues to $upport the CO$, the CO$ will be benefiting. GAG

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Scanning thru the afternoon comments and oh lord, what holy mess did Mary kick up now? Do I wanna know? I don’t wanna know.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s the same old shit. ASC, sheep, troll farms, Going Clear is bullshit, etc etc

      • Kim O’Brien

        i missed Marty stuff ???!!!

        dammit !

        • Supper Powers

          He had a makeover. That’s the only difference between now and 6 months ago.

          • Kim O’Brien

            like with boobs and stuff ?

            • iampissed

              Paging Dr Mark!

            • Rasha

              …oh, my…..

            • iampissed

              It’s terminal miss, it has to be done.

            • Rasha

              *sigh* …understood….

            • iampissed

              But on a happy note, we use nail guns to saw them up.

            • Rasha

              *looks up in excitemen– *

              Ahem. Hmm. That’s nice…. Why, of course.

              *bites lip*

            • Supper Powers

              I think those are natural. But he combed his hair.

            • Kim O’Brien

              Marty moobs ? LOL

            • Rasha

              Rathmoobs

            • iampissed

              Rathmurse….I see a brand trend here.
              ETA: But it won’t last long.

            • iampissed

              And a murse….designer only!

        • iampissed

          And talks gibberish on camera.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Wait, so I opened this bottle of prosecco for nothing? Dammit, Marty. You owe me 15 bucks.

      • Vaquera

        Psst – Why aren’t my texts to you going through?

        • Kim O’Brien

          psst – a patron wants to pay for your dinner . So there

          • Vaquera

            psst – sweet, but I already ponied up.
            Can’t wait to see you!!

            • Kim O’Brien

              shitfuck ( about the payment ..not the visit LOL )

              now i gotta pick someone else . the stress is NOT making me weigh 97 pounds . This cult sucks 😉

            • Vaquera

              No you didn’t. (Of course you did.) 🙂

              Add: Just the same, I’d like to write them a thank you note.

      • Robert Eckert

        So are you coming? Ride offer still stands, if you could stand it.

    • iampissed

      Just wait for it….it’s more fun that way.

    • Rasha

      Hey, Lumi!!! ^_^

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Rashie! How’s you, kitten pie?

        • Rasha

          Dancin’ in the Moonlight! Good to see ya back!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            And who doesn’t love a moon dance? Thank ya, it’s good to be back.

            • Rasha

              ^_^

    • Robert Eckert

      Early on, he characterizes it as “a colossal waste of time”

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        His own comments? Because that’s one thing he and I see eye to eye on, then.

  • Kestrel

    It was 142 days between Martyr Athbun posts. Did the “Post Pot” reward the closest guess under or the closest guess over?

    • Kestrel

      Sherbet had 140. Jeb Burton had 145.

      • Rasha

        I say we split it 70/30

        • Supper Powers

          I will only agree if Jeb posts a selfie at the Lucky Anchor.

        • Sherbet

          I say get your mitts off my prize.

      • Jimmy3

        Let’s play favorites and give it to Sherbet.

        • Kestrel

          Works for me. Sherbet will now be the proud owner of a first edition copy of “Texas Tropics.” I haven’t bought it, yet, but there’s no way that door stop made it to a second printing.

          • Sherbet

            I won, and I didn’t even know I was playing? I’m truly honored, if forgetful.

            • Kestrel

              Your luck will increase if I forget to buy the book.

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, um, keep it.

            • iampissed

              Plausible Deniability…….psssss….look at the book.

            • Sherbet

              Yikes.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Totally killin’ me here!

            Let’s all get one, and even offer to pay full freight if Mutty will agree to sign it and write a short inscription. I’d like mine to read: “May you wake up to the reality of your sheep-like devotion to the deceptive and ‘only in it for the money’ ASC troika who feed your implanted false narrative views concerning $cn. ML, Mutty”

    • Noesis

      One could convince themselves that Marty doing a series of videos about the ASC, blah, blah, blah is part of a paid spokesman role in response to Leah’s upcoming Season 2.

      But that would be speculating.

      • chukicita

        Hearsay!

  • AntoniaW
  • Supper Powers

    I’m eagerly awaiting a Michelle update.

    • Kim O’Brien

      they just left for a free concert . BTW – Mac make up is the best . Waaay better than Sephora . And there are great fake Fendi bags somewhere in the city

      • Supper Powers

        I’d take a faux Fendi over an authentic Minkoff.

        • Kim O’Brien

          BINGO !

          • Supper Powers

            Well I’m glad you had some entertainment tonight. Hopefully that good looking guy shows up and buys you a drink tonight.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I wonder if you buy MAC at Sephora if it will cause a ripple in the space-time continuum? 😀

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Sherbet

      OMG, there’s a person who doesn’t live in the real world. It sounds like something an idealistic 11-year-old would say.

    • JaxNGold

      No words…

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Looks like trump found someone to be in charge of Defense. I hear those WTH booklets will stop a missile right in it’s tracks. *snort*

      • Philbyification

        chortle n snort

  • TexasBroad

    So…I am a freakishly fast typist/transcriptionist (I am also freakishly strong, but that isn’t relevant to this) and I transcribed the Marty video. Is there any reason I would rue posting it? I mean, I can, right?

    • Kim O’Brien

      for goddess sake – send it to my email LOL . I missed the entire thing

      • TexasBroad

        Done. 🙂
        Hope today went perfectly!!

        • Kim O’Brien

          i am in shock . also swearing a lot in my head while i am reading it . ugh . he is a total douche canoe

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        How did it go today?

        • Kim O’Brien

          interview tomorrow but i love you for asking . wish you were here in denver this HowdyCon – but i WILL meet you one day . I even have a passport with stamps on it so get ready LOL 🙂

          • Supper Powers

            Good luck!

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Please blame stupid time-zones for the mistake! Sending every possible good vibe – I know you will smash it because you are our magnificent Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Good luck!

            PS. I want a passport with stamps on! We have to renew ours every 10 years here (5 for children) and it has been a long time since countries physically stamped passports on entry. It used to be a challenge to see how many you could collect.

    • What’sup
      • Kim O’Brien

        WIN WIN WIN WIN !!!!!!

    • Supper Powers

      Do it!

    • TexasBroad

      I guess if he has has links allowing people to share it everywhere, I can transcribe it…

      I told you all that stuff that um…about Scientology that’s already been said about Scientology, ad nauseam. And you want to hear the rest of the story; the other side of the story. And I told you that that is a waste of my time. I’ve tried to tell that story and its always wound up on the editing room floor because we have a mimesis problem in this culture which is this obsessive copying like sheep…and it applies to the media; it applies to documentarians that I’ve dealt with. Virtually anything that strays outside of the agreed upon narrative doesn’t see the light of day. So I consider it a colossal waste of time so that’s why, um, I insisted, and you agreed, that if I do that for you, you are going to do it under one condition and that is that if I don’t like where your edit is going, or headed, or being produced, I have access to everything that I told you, all cuts, and can use it as I see fit and publish it if I want to. And since you agreed to that, I agreed to go ahead and tell you. Now, the mimesis problem, its, it, its sort of a form of, um, denialism, where, uh, in this culture particularly – this click-bait culture, um, if – you know, most news, most documentary work, is created to serve a particular public. They are trying to reinforce ideas that people have, or sell ideas and get people to adopt narratives. And what it is that people adopt narratives and then they are fed stuff that reinforces the narrative, it reinforces their views. And um and they’ll go with it. If it doesn’t agree with their chosen narrative, they just ignore it. And so, and so, this is the, this is the rest of the story on Scientology that just gets ignored because it doesn’t fit the easy narrative. Um, you know I’ve had this experience with a number of media, a number of documentarians, where I attempt to tell it and you know, there is this, this sort of um, unconscious kind of look, this hypnotic glaze kinda goes over their eyes and they kinda sit through it, no follow up questions, no nothing, its just, it just kinda goes through a blank and then they’re right back to peppering about the about the scandalous stuff that they can, that’s already been said a hundred times, to try to reinforce the official narrative. Um, that narrative incidentally, you know, this whole, this whole talent pool for the anti-Scientology media is, is, comes from what I call the Anti-Scientology cult, which is in essence, is a troll farm. Its, its a number of blogs and social media net sites where a lot of people just pile on and obsess over Scientology. What the sheep on the farm don’t understand, the participants, the vast majority of them, is that there are only three farmers on the, in the farm system. Its what I call the troika. There’s three people who supply virtually all the memes that, that these people exist to replicate and then pass on. And what the sheep don’t understand is, is that the three, are doing it solely and utterly for profit. Ha. In other words, its all presented as if this is some, um some selfless um, um, noble, heroic, about quote unquote helping quote unquote former Scientologists, right? Um, the the one thing you should know at the outset is that the troika, you know, they rail about this um supposed hierarchy, you know strict hierarchically controlled religion.. well if, the interesting thing is that the watchword with all things ASC, or anti-Scientology cult is hypocrisy they literally accuse Scientology of that which they themselves do and contend. And they consider that they have a hierarchy. The problem is is that each one of the three parts of the cluster thinks that they’re in charge Ha. Ha. So, so…I’ll get into that in more detail as we go. Ahem. But there is one thing that they all agree on and that is that the bible, the, the, the definitive quote unquote narrative of the anti-Scientology cult, is going clear by Lawrence Wright the book as condensed and and done in a movie by Alex Gibney that they consider the bible. That is the base narrative that they just continuously repeat and regurgitate and then try to add you know, new names and new and new faces to try to perpetuate and continue to run and so I think its probably best to begin by um addressing the bible of the ASC.

      • Noesis
        • Supper Powers

          Awesome to the max!

        • EmmaDaoust

          um uh

        • TexasBroad

          Love it! Where / How do you do a word cloud?

          • Noesis

            Google “word cloud generator” and pick one of the links. They are very quick and easy to use and produce a piece of art that also has informative value in that the most used words in a piece of text are made larger / more distinctive depending on the style of cloud one selects.

            • TexasBroad

              Thank you Noesis. 🙂

        • chukicita

          I like how the word cloud is shaped like a piece of popcorn.

          • EmmaDaoust

            So it is!

          • Supper Powers

            Oh, I thought it looked a pile of puke. Word vomit.

      • iampissed

        I call DOX on the ASC Bible……You helped create it. Own it!
        ETA: Marty helped create it.

        • Philbyification

          Didn’t the little weirdo say he “liked it”? lol

        • Supper Powers

          What do you mean by doxing the ASC bible? What would he produce? Can you clarify what you mean?

      • EmmaDaoust
      • Vaquera

        I could only watch the first minute because I kept wanting to reach through the screen and hand Marty a bottle of Rubio water. The dry smacking got my every nerve. Therefore, thx for the transcript.

        Admiring the skills, woman.

        • EmmaDaoust

          It’s nervousness dry smacking. And speaking of smacking.

          • EmmaDaoust

            P.S. I only made it to 31 seconds and no further. Enough. Thanks Texas Broad for transcribing.

            • TexasBroad

              Welcome… 🙂

          • Some meds have that as a side-effect.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Well I know. I’m also familiar with dry mouth associated with nervousness.

        • chukicita

          Points for Rubio water.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Scientologese as a Second Language

      • Philbyification

        HAHAHAHA! DERP!

      • GrangerFX

        Please tell me you have software you used to transcribe this nonsense.

        • TexasBroad

          I moved on to something else 8 years ago, but before that, I was a paralegal for 25+ years. I had mad typing skills. I’m not nearly as fast as I used to be though – still, it didn’t take me too long. The hardest part was that disqus threw me out a few times.

          • GrangerFX

            Well thanks your effort is well appreciated.

            • TexasBroad

              😉

  • EmmaDaoust

    Beyond creepy that Scientologists operate a “successful” court reporting business. Could there ever be some kind of, you know, conflict or corruption…

  • Wow. On PBS right now is a special about Jack White and T Bone Burnett doing a recording using a sole surviving recording device from 1920. Jack had to repair it doing his own sewing.
    Members of Los Lobos playing.
    Now Elton John is there.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      What, really? Sucks that I don’t have actual TV. I mean, Jack’s a vulture, but I love him anyway, and Los Lobos are an American institution. A few years back, they played their album Kiko in its entirety, live in studio for KCRW. It was sublime. I adore those guys.

      Also, Jack has a six-degrees-of-scientology connection through ex-wife Karen Elson , who has numerous scilon friends. Vonni Ribisi’s current love, Emily Ward (of Pierce & Ward), is an interior designer who rehabbed Karen’s house. Jack and Beck Hansen like working together, too.

    • Philbyification

      They have been airing a great historical Jazz.Blues /Rock series. Very Good!

  • What’sup

    More Clam designed and endorsed product….. Heads up!

    http://m.nike.com/au/en_gb/c/skateboarding/eric-koston

  • Observer
    • outraged

      hahahahha,

    • Kim O’Brien

      i love this for reasons that go back a looooong time LOL

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Kim O’Brien

      OMG !!! YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!!!!!

    • Observer

      Whoa

    • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03
      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        That’s him, Chuck 🙂

        • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

          I binge that show.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Holy crap.

    • Vaquera

      Wow! Who’s who?

    • Marshall

      Separated at birth!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      He reminds me of the fellow from the mr. knowitall board game…
      (refresh)
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75b6f4d00fecb7ac3371234eec1cea56a4c698f0b120719cc47cdc1269a8a869.jpg

      • EmmaDaoust

        Triplets!

    • Andrew Robertson

      “Marty in his new video reminds me so much of Ian Hislop” – Andrea

      “If that’s true, then I’m a banana.” – Ian Hislop

      Andrew

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Haha!

    • I’ve always thought that too

      The difference is Hislop’s ‘naughty schoolboy’ demeanour and self deprecation. Marty takes himself so seriously he’s the exact opposite.

      BTW – Hislop, quick wit and satirist, also produced and presented a TV history of the Church of England which was serious and really good. That’s probably another difference – real talents.

  • BEETEE

    Marty has reared his head….

    https://youtu.be/ZFJdOhV29WM

    What is up? Are we really in a CULT? Damn! I swore I would never be in another cult again!! And our bible – “Going Clear” – who would have thunk? Are we going to put the books in all Hotel rooms now?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • dungeon master

      I think saying ‘Going Clear’ is our (the so called ASC -Anti-Scientology Cult) bible is like saying [insert name of any book in the KJV New Testament] and calling it Christianity’s bible. It’s a piece of the whole, from ‘Dianetics in Limbo’ to Jason Beghe’s interviews with Mark Bunker to Jamie DeWolfe’s performances, even Marty’s earlier interviews and writing, etc. And calling all the exceptional people who populate the comments on this blog a cult? Ok, on the one hand I think it’s amusing, because we have a lot of fun and pop in and out whenever We want. On the other hand, I think he’s trying to be insulting, and that’s all sticks and stones to me. BFD. It doesn’t hurt me. FWIW

    • EDN/laineybin

      So incredibly painful to listen to him speak – he uses 10 words where 2 will do.

      (And i just wanted someone to hand him a glass of water.)

    • Kim O’Brien

      to have a man who was ” the man: in a cult …say anything about ” sheep ” …makes my blood boil . What a fucking fuckwit

      • Supper Powers

        But that’s just it. He knows it’s ironic and irritating. He’s been watching comments roll in here all day. He loves to say stupid shit and watch the responses he claims to have zero respect for.

  • Shivani33

    If depressed, dead and toothless was the look being sought, Rathtub delivered. Usually the question comes to mind about who is a speaker’s designated audience. What’s the purpose of the video? Why did this fellow get out of bed and slap on some makeup and give a short, incoherent intro speech loaded with threats about having editorial control? Who is still pissed about Going Clear? Who is ba-baa-baaaaing about a troika of egotistical sheep? I’d ask these questions except for the fact that it’s Marty and his delusions of grandeur.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Well, someone sure spruced him up, slapped some make up on his caved-in visage and turned him loose to badmouth the ASC sheeple. If this video segment was recently made, as it appears to have been, then it will be interesting to learn who made it and for what purpose. One thing for sure is that it was clearly a teaser for more to come (i.e., Mutty parsing “Going Clear,” the ASC bible…not to be missed!)

      I’m betting that Mutty is going to premiere XenuVision’s very first $cn talk show, where the faithful (including select Indies, such as The Boracle) can phone in live to get real-time help in understanding everything $cientological.

      If they haven’t already settled on a name for the show yet, then I’d like to suggest one: “Mutty Knows Best”

  • BEETEE

    https://youtu.be/ZFJdOhV29WM

    Marty Rathbun rears his head and speaks out. Anyone know what is going on?

    • iampissed

      Downstream.

    • chukicita

      *yawn*

      • EmmaDaoust

        Do you suffer from insomnia? Having trouble getting to sleep? Ask your Doctor if Rugburn is right for you. Side effects may include sleepiness, drowsiness, yawning, boredom, eye rolling. Go to your nearest Emergency department if your eyes get stuck in your head.

  • I’m awake and I can talk. Fuck you LRH. All I got to say…

  • Vaquera

    I’m beat. Will someone make me some scrambled egg whites with feta and spinach?
    (and a side of Cal Mag, so as to be not totally o/t)

    • TexasBroad

      Sorry love…I looked in the fridge and apparently all we have in there to feed you is a narrative.

    • Liberated

      I will, bought new feta yesterday.

      • Vaquera

        Bunker buddies are the best.

        • Liberated

          Yep

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          fetacompli.

          • TexasBroad

            I’m so happy I get to see you again soon 🙂

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I am happy I’ll get to see you! Not too long now.

          • ithilien

            I know it’s early, but you win the internet today

    • Supper Powers

      I’m not kidding, I just made a feta omlette for supper. Come by.

      • Vaquera

        Greek or french feta?

        • Supper Powers

          Generic Greek. Herbs from the garden help, though.

          • Vaquera

            I like them both. It’s just that french melts better. Greek and Bulgarian hold their crumbles.

            • Supper Powers

              I actually meant to use goat cheese but was so spaced out I grabbed the wrong one. Even cut it up and didn’t notice what I did until I sat down to eat. I baked some bacon too, so that made up for the mistake.

  • EmmaDaoust

    From the pen of Spike Robinson

    Why did ya turn on all yer friends, haroo, haroo,
    Why did ya turn on all yer friends, haroo, haroo,
    Why did ya turn on all yer friends, and start to feed Miscavige’s ends?
    Your lies are so deep that we’re gettin’ the bends,
    Marty, we hardly knew ye.

    Chorus:
    You damned the clams and damned the clams, haroo, haroo,
    You damned the clams and damned the clams, haroo, haroo,
    You damned the clams and damned the clams, the battle, it nearly slew ye,
    You betrayed your whole tribe; have you taken a bribe?
    Marty, we hardly knew ye.

    Where are the brains you used so well, haroo, haroo,
    Where are the brains you used so well, haroo, haroo,
    Where are the brains you used so well, before you threw it all to hell?
    It’s all so suspicious, it’s starting to smell,
    Marty, we hardly knew ye.

    (Chorus)

    What happened to your blog so free, haroo, haroo,
    What happened to your blog so free, haroo, haroo,
    What happened to your blog so free, and where’d you put your dignity?
    A more pitiful turncoat I never did see,
    Marty, we hardly knew ye.

  • Kari Harris

    Marty, Marty, Marty. Just watched the video and I am rather disappointed at how thin your skin really is. Your former position in the COS basically made you Prince Troll, second only to Dave. It does get annoying when people turn the tables and its YOU who is getting roasted. Those of us with thicker skin let it go in one ear and out the other, like most of the fine folks in the “ASC.”

    We all know the horrible things that happened to you at the hands of the COS, and I believe its a lot deeper than you let on. BUT, that gives you no excuse to dead agent Tony and others who make an honest living off of their journalistic skills reporting about Scientology. By reducing an entire community into three letters, you are marginalizing EVERYONE.

    After everything you have said, your credibility is nil. Its time to close up shop, enjoy your wife and child, and fade off into the sunset. And, I’ll use a cliché to sum it all up. Please take the cliché for what its worth :

    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

  • Independent Scientology Meetup Group in Los Angeles, CA. [Again, I am NOT associated with Independent Scientology. I simply cross-post news about Indies along with other items relevant to Scientology.]

    https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/872289435676585990

  • EmmaDaoust

    Totally O/T: Barack Obama is in Montreal, just gave a speech, and joined Justin Trudeau for a snack
    http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/barack-obama-justin-trudeau-grab-bite-to-eat-in-st-henri-after-speech

    • Jimmy3

      I miss dat guy. He been in Canada this whole time?

      • EmmaDaoust

        He’s been getting around, tropical isles, surfing, you know, prolly the odd golf game.

        • daisy

          That is all he does , play golf . ( wanna bet they discussed the shit storm at the WH )

          • EmmaDaoust

            Justin: I’ll bet you’re glad…
            Barack: I can’t even…

          • Liberated

            Trump needs a sticker on Air Force One…..I’d rather be at mar a lago.

          • Liberated

            ITMFA…

      • Liberated

        I miss that guy too !

        • EmmaDaoust

          Us Canadians miss that guy too. Bigly.

          • Liberated

            He’s too cool !

  • TexasBroad

    “Adding more names and faces to the narrative” ??!!! How insulting. Those are actual people. More names, more faces = more heartbreaking stories, more devastated families, more people followed, harrassed, abused.
    More people are telling their stories.
    More journalists, writers, directors, networks, lawyers, documentarians, podcasters, bloggers, etc. are willing to help them tell their stories.
    I never understood CoS’ “same old story” defense. Yes, MORE people are saying they had the same experience…that supports, not diminishes, the truth of it.
    Until recently, Scientology wasn’t a subject anyone knew much about in my part of the world. In the last few weeks, I’ve come across three different friends/acquaintances obsessed with the Aftermath who talked my ear off once the conversation came up. I hope they join us here.
    I remember Marty’s part in bringing the stories of abuse forward and giving a forum and a voice to so many. Does he regret it all now?

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I finally watched it. I was distracted through the whole thing by whatever the hell is going on with his mouth. He acts like he needs some Poli-grip or something. New dentures? 🙁

  • Liberated

    Oh no….I just turned on Jimmy Fallon and Cruise is on:-(

    • Sherbet

      I’m sure Fallon asked lots of pithy and pointed questions…

      • Liberated

        Oh sure…”tell me again Mr. Cruise about that beautiful religion?”

        • Sherbet

          “And is it true you do your own stunts? Very cool!”

  • FredEX2

    Just checking in while traveling on a little vacation. I have a couple of great pics to post later of “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely”…who is on the trip with us. 😊 ~I’ll catch up later but wanted to be sure to say ‘hi’ and wish you all were here too! It would be so fun!

    Also I wanted to thank again the Bunker member who paid for me +guest tickets for the special dinner at HowdyCon on Saturday in a couple of weeks with everyone! I hope whoever you are…that you are there too so I can hug you! That was such a kind surprise.

    Great reports today Tony. As always. I have never in my life ever paid more than $50 for a handbag/purse…
    …and I certainly wouldn’t spend nearly a thousand dollars on a ‘Minkoff’~ I think that’s exactly how much my dad paid for my first car…a Volkswagen bug…when I first went away to college. Ridiculous that anyone thinks a purse is worth paying that much. I can think of many more things where that money would be put to better use.

    Good-nite Bunker…love you guys!

    ( smooches from FredEX2 at the Happiest place on Earth ) 😘

  • Never mind. I was just informed it is a photoshop. My fault for trusting someone I thought I could trust. Fuck it. Seriously, just fuck it.

    • TexasBroad

      Do I get a prize?

      • Puget Buckeye

        Yes, you get the ginormo galactic freedom medal of stupendous valor. But the problem is, it’s so freakin’ heavy, you’ll need to see a chiropractor. Just make sure it’s not a WISE chiropractor.

        • TexasBroad

          Nevermind – I’m good.

          • Vaquera

            You’ve won a big ole’ SMP insignia trophy belt buckle, Texas style.

            • TexasBroad

              Tall, leggy Texan women like you can pull off those big buckles and look fabulous. On a 5′ frame like mine, it looks like a button to fold me in half so I fit conveniently in the trunk. 🙂

            • Vaquera

              Mebbe I should wear my HLSR steer buyer buckle to HC.

            • TexasBroad

              Bring it at the very least – I want to see it.

            • Vaquera

              If I can find it, I will.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Just giving credit where credit is due.

    • Sherbet

      This is pathetic. Rathbun has made a mess of things.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        It’s a balls up from a balls up.

    • Sherbet

      I wonder if Rathbun’s resurfacing will be the subject of Tony’s morning post, especially with the SMP connection.

      • TexasBroad

        And whether or not he is being paid.
        (Paging Ray Jeffrey to the Bunker phone. Ray Jeffrey to the Bunker phone.)

    • FredEX2

      If it was just a shoop…that’s better news.

    • Puget Buckeye

      I have a little question. What will Monique’s attorneys have to say about this? HMMM?

    • TheMirrorThetan

      So the vermin has been driven out of the garage… No wait that was supposed to be us ASC members.
      Shit always floats to the top so Marshy was bound to step back into the limelight sooner or later.
      He loves any attention more than Joy Villa does and cant just move on with his life.
      Told ya he was a sellout, but just waiting for the denials still.

    • Mick Roberts

      Wow………

    • Lionel Drinkwater

      I hate to be a buzzkill, but that is a shoop.

      • Sherbet

        Honest? Oh, phooey, backing off…

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Fake news?

      • Mick Roberts

        On a closer look, you might be right. The cameras in front (especially on the right) certainly don’t look right.

      • TexasBroad

        That’s not a buzzkill – that’s GOOD news.

        • Sherbet

          I was hoping we finally had an answer to the controversy. Ah, nuts.

          • TexasBroad

            Sherb..I don’t think there is an answer.

          • Vaquera

            What’s true is what’s true for you.

        • Puget Buckeye

          I agree. My first reaction was Jesus, he sold his soul to the devil. Agree with him, don’t agree with him. Hate him, don’t hate him. I just don’t want to see him get sucked back into that hell hole. Then, he for sure, will never find his way out.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        the one on the right does look a bit off?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I was going to say, I just checked and that is not a still from the video and it isn’t posted on his blog, so where did it come from? Shoop.

        • Puget Buckeye

          If I can ask a technical question….How can you tell that’s not a still from the video? Just trying to learn. Thanks.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I was pretty sure I would have noticed that so I took one for the team and re-watched it. ACK! 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              glad you did so we didn’t have to. I turned on the video but didn’t last long, went to another window to read something more interesting and let Marty Mark’s voice babble in the background.

          • Lionel Drinkwater

            I’m not ruling out that the video was shot at Gold, SMP, Mad Hatter, or by the Church at another location. The jury is still out on whether Marty was flipped by OSA. I have my suspicions. However, the shoop was a shoop. The person at ESMB who posted it insinuated it was leaked and this was intentionally misleading.

    • Lionel Drinkwater

      Don’t be so hard on yourself. It was a very good shoop.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Did you watch that video? What the fuck is he rambling on about? He has really really lost it.
      His obsession with the so called ASC that he invented is sad.

    • sizzle8

      No big. I constantly get fooled on Imgur.
      Scn provides plenty of genuine footbazookas.

      And…it possibly may be true to some degree.

  • Mick Roberts

  • daisy

    The boys from Brazil huday and qisay of the Trump family interviewing now on Nightline .

    • Harpoona Frittata

      With the Twumps, I’m often laughing and crying at the same time and that “whosay and queefsay” comment of yours just had exactly that effect on me

  • mandymarie20

    Looks like Tom has a new bromance. And Tom “likes hot dogs”. I know it’s just a quote from the play, but I couldn’t resist 😉 Don’t tell me that won’t be taken out of context. The rumors and all …

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=92V2zro04wM&feature=youtu.be

    • GrangerFX

      Aww TC loves kids. Well except his own which is being raised by an evil SP.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse
  • I can only guess that the pasta photo is “bullbaiting” as you can do anything except leave the chair. Oh, wait, he’s left the chair! And he must have had the pasta in his pockets before the TR began. Ok, he needs to go back and read his materials again, clear up any MU’s. BUT if it isn’t bullbaiting then it’s someone putting pasta on another person’s ear for some reason.

  • Baby

    Again.. will have to get caught up on reading everything.. So behind.. ( Uh yes I’ve got a Big Behind..ha)
    Love the Post Tony.. OK going out to dinner..shower and find something that’s not on the floor to wear.. xo love baby

    I am a hot mess..
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/374b39ba347c459b0f02f1a6901e630d99c51a47ea7bc137d1f35eafb8605bed.gif

  • Sydjazz

    what does a scientology hymn sound like? hope they aren’t singing we stand tall

  • denise

    Talking about front groups….this went out to area Tampa Bay Non Profits earlier this week.
    We did not respond……

    From: Roxanne Sierro
    Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:33 PM
    Subject: [INFO] Looking for Non-Profit Organizations

    Hello,

    My name is Roxanne Sierro and I am a volunteer for The Way to Happiness Tampa Bay Association.

    I am writing you because I am looking for non-profit organization who could participate to an event we are holding on June 17th in Downtown Clearwater, at the Osceola Courtyard: “Family Movie Night”.

    We are inviting the community to enjoy a night with their family and watch “It takes Two”. The purpose is to also introduce them to non-profit organizations that help the community everyday and by looking at your website I thought that you might be interested in having a booth at the event at no cost. The attendance expectancy is 300.
    Let me know if you are interested and I would be happy to reserve a booth for you!

    Best,
    Roxanne Sierro

    The Way to Happiness
    (727) 467-6961
    33N Fort Harrison Avenue
    Clearwater, FL 33755