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She’s back! Leah Remini builds a case for Scientology aggression in tonight’s A&E special

[Leah Remini and Mike Rinder, back on the case]

We’ve seen tonight’s 2-hour A&E special episode of Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, and we can tell you that it accomplishes much more than simply tiding fans over as they await the start of season two.

When Aftermath premiered last November, it was the network’s most-watched first episode in a couple of years. It went on to average about 1.6 million viewers per episode as A&E scrambled to take advantage of its popularity by shooting a couple of special hour-long extra episodes for a season total of nine.

The second of those two special episodes featured author Lawrence Wright, attorney Ray Jeffrey, and cult expert Steve Hassan answering questions in a group setting. Tonight’s new 2-hour special follows that format as well, this time with six special guests.

But what really impressed us was the opening segment of tonight’s show, when Remini and her sidekick, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder, once again took the time to educate viewers about Scientology concepts, in this case the iron-clad L. Ron Hubbard policies that have produced such a toxic, unrelenting organization that tries to hunt down and destroy its critics.

This is perhaps what impresses us the most about Remini’s series, that time and again she and Rinder have taken the time to explain Scientology’s history and structure and controversies in ways that really respect the viewer — which is often missing from cable TV “reality” programming. In this case, Remini knows that much of the criticism aimed at Scientology is for its outlandish beliefs about past lives and space opera nuttiness. That’s a mistake, she believes. She wants viewers to understand that what really matters is that Hubbard left behind piles of books that contain thousands of policies that Scientology’s executives must follow to the letter even today. And those policies demand that critics — whether former members or simply curious reporters — must be dealt with brutally.

And for the doubters in the audience, Remini shows the policies on the screen, which we found really effective.

 

 
“It was important to remind people that ridiculing people for their beliefs actually gets Scientology excited, because you’re not actually focusing on the damaging policies that make up the religion,” Leah told us after we had seen the episode and asked her about the approach she was taking. “Scientology dictates how to react to people who are speaking out about it. And that’s an important message that people need to focus on instead of the Xenu stories.”

We told her it was a powerful opening segment that should be a real education for people unsure about Scientology’s motives.

“I’m glad you said that as someone who covers Scientology. That’s what journalists should be focusing on,” she says.

She and Rinder talk about how obsessed Hubbard was with reporters and the press, and how his policies give precise instructions for how to undercut reporters and feed them distracting information.

Leah says her husband, Angelo, after he viewed the episode, reminded her that she had been handled with the same policies when she confronted Scientology leader David Miscavige in late 2012, before her final exit from the organization after more than 30 years.

“When I went in to meet David Miscavige and Laurisse, his assistant, I asked him why he was attacking former Sea Org members [such as Rinder]. I have OT 8s from Israel telling me an entire mission was declared,” she says, referring to the mission in Haifa that broke away from the church in 2012. “He brought me into another room and showed me all the buildings that were coming out, and all of the renovations that were going to cost hundreds of millions. I told him, ‘I don’t give a shit about buildings. Why are you showing me buildings? These are good people being attacked by their church — why are you showing me buildings?’ He referred to a Hubbard policy, ‘Signs of Success,’ that said the only reason the church is being attacked is that it’s growing.”

Even then, she knew it was a dodge. “They’re not growing. They’re just buying buildings. They were trying to do to me what they do to journalists. But I wasn’t buying it anymore. Why was he trying to sell me on that? Because it’s all he knows. Why? Because that’s what LRH [Hubbard] says.”

Although Leah left that personal anecdote out of the episode, its message still comes through: Scientology continues to do what Hubbard established in the 1950s and 1960s — always to attack, never to defend. And to help bolster that message, Remini and Rinder bring on six special guests that our readers should be pretty familiar with.

 

 
Australian television journalist Bryan Seymour has been pounding away at Scientology stories for about a decade now, and when he was starting out he got better access than just about anyone has in recent years. We especially enjoy his celebrity interviews, including Nancy Cartwright, who admitted to Bryan that she was in Scientology to become a god.

 

 
Janet Reitman’s book, Inside Scientology, came out in 2011, and we especially praised its chapters on the Lisa McPherson saga. The book grew out of an earlier story Reitman had written for Rolling Stone, where she’s a staff writer. When she was researching that story, Mike Rinder was still running the church’s intelligence wing, which handles reporters, and he lets Janet in on a few fun secrets about how they tried to derail her.

 

 
We’ve mentioned our old pal and colleague Mark Ebner here often. Not only for his terrific 1996 Spy magazine feature about Scientology (which is discussed on tonight’s program) but also his great examination of the death of Philip Gale, as well as his habit of randomly finding Scientology treasures.

 

 
Ford Greene found out the hard way why most attorneys won’t go near Scientology litigation. While he successfully sued the church in the Lawrence Wollersheim saga, he was the subject of numerous bar complaints and Scientology dirty tricks.

 

 
Stephen Kent, of the University of Alberta, is the real deal. Not only has he been investigating and exposing Scientology’s harsh policies — in particular its prison program, the Rehabilitation Project Force — but he also has one of the largest collections of Scientology materials in the world.

 

 
And we’re especially happy to see Len Zinberg take part. We revealed in our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, that Len had been a volunteer for the Guardian’s Office who had taken part in operations against Paulette. Some 40 years later, his conscience eating away at him, he messaged Paulette, telling her what he had done and asking for her forgiveness. It was a very rare gesture, and one we’re glad to see recognized on this compelling broadcast.

Please join us in the comments section tonight as we live-blog the program. We’re looking forward to your reactions to the show!

 
UPDATE: Because our readers are spread around the world, and everyone loves to take part in a live-blog, here’s when to expect the action. This episode airs on the A&E network at 9 pm in New York. That translates to the following times in other places in the world — although we don’t know you’ll actually be seeing the broadcast then. (We think the US west coast broadcast may show up three hours later, for example)….

Monday Night
3 pm: Honolulu
5 pm: Anchorage
6 pm: Los Angeles
7 pm: Denver
8 pm: Chicago, Mexico City
10 pm: Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro

Tuesday Morning
2 am: London, Dublin, Lisbon
3 am: Paris, Rome, Berlin, Brussels, Cairo, Johannesburg
4 am: Helsinki, Athens, Moscow, Jerusalem
6:30 am: New Delhi
9 am: Perth, Beijing, Singapore
10 am: Tokyo
11 am: Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, Melbourne

 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,765 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,522 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,868 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,362 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,402 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,114 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 640 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,729 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,869 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,189 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,164 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 520 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,822 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 929 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,331 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,204 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 785 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,290 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,534 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,643 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 29, 2017 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    So now, after all this excellent blogging by the wonderful community, I am going out in my “Scientology Kills” Tee to the local big screen(s) sports bar and asking them to put A&E on for the 9:00pm showing here on the left coast.

    • TexasBroad

      (((Hugs)))

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        (((((Hugs)))) back atcha.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Great idea!

    • Qbird

      ah yes!

    • Puget Buckeye

      I’m a left coaster too. I can’t even keep up with all these comments! And I don’t think I’ll get through all of them before the program comes on here. Good idea on the bar, the more people that know…..tick tock

    • Vaquera
      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Yes! That shirt! Had so much fun then!

        • Vaquera

          Cavs!
          Tony ever vigilant.

      • Puget Buckeye

        Good God! There’s always one in the group looking down at their phone! πŸ˜‰

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        ha ha and tony hard at work ….. like always

  • Powerful stuff. And this is just the 2 hour special. Not even into the second season yet. It’s going to be epic.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Haggis to kick off season 2…and he still sounds pissed. Is there a Costco big enough to supply the epic amounts of popcorn we’re gonna need?

    • Missionary Kid

      Hell, I buy my popcorn in bulk (usually 2 or 3 pounds at a time) from Winco. It’s a lot cheaper that way, but then I happen to have an old fashioned Jolly Time popper that I’ve had for 30 years. Ten minutes, a little oil with the popcorn in the popper, and some melted butter and salt to go over the popcorn, and I’ve got a BIG bowl that it fills.

      I didn’t make any for the viewing because I wanted to comment.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I vote you to be the official Bunker Jiffy Popper, MK. ; )

        • Missionary Kid

          I accept the honor, but I made a mistake. It’s a Jolly Time popper. I corrected my post.

          Jiffy Pop was a self-contained aluminum pan that was held over a fire.

          • Aslan’s Own

            We used to beg my mom to buy Jiffy Pop — it was so cool. Only got it on very special occasions!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve got the system down to the point that I usually have few “old maids.”
              I thought Jiffy Pop was cool, but microwave popcorn has supplanted it.

            • JJ

              When it is good it is very good, when it is bad you have wasted three dollars and the stench of wet burnt popcorn could be smelled for six city blocks…

            • Missionary Kid

              Burnt popcorn is the pits, and you’re right about how strong the smell is.

            • Puget Buckeye

              I know what you mean. The people in the commercials looked like they were having so much fun watching that aluminum foil dome “grow”. We never got Jiffy Pop. We had some ancient popper that would probably be banned now for safety reasons.

            • Missionary Kid

              There’s no off switch on the Jolly Time popper I have. It automatically stops when the popcorn is done, but once it cools, it will start the cooking cycle again and burn what’s in there if it goes too long, so I have to unplug it. I don’t think it will start a fire.

              I make sure it isn’t on a really flammable surface, even though the legs keep the body a couple of inches above a surface.

            • Aslan’s Own

              We only got it maybe once a year when my mother would give in to my whining.

            • Aslan’s Own

              I think everything I had growing up has been banned for safety reasons. It’s a wonder we all made it out alive! My brother had a toy that made lead soldiers, which consisted of bricks of lead, a pan, and a heating element. Once the lead was molten, he would pour it into the soldier molds. I can’t even imagine having kids playing with molten lead!

            • Missionary Kid

              Lead vapors are toxic.

            • Aslan’s Own

              I’ll use that as the excuse for why I can’t think very well! πŸ˜‰

              It’s #7 on this list. He also had the chemistry set that had the ingredients and instructions for gunpowder. Like I said, it’s amazing we’re still alive!

              http://www.cracked.com/article_19481_the-8-most-wildly-irresponsible-vintage-toys.html

            • Missionary Kid

              Lead poisoning is very possibly something that could have affected your brother if he did melting of lead, particularly if he did it inside. It could even have affected the whole family, since the vapors could be breathed by others, and would cover surfaces that others would come in contact with.

              Lead poisoning affects the young more than adults, but the effects are long lasting.

              I sometimes make lead counterweights for airplane control surfaces. Melting the lead into different shapes is NOT done inside, but in a well ventilated area, usually outside.

            • Aslan’s Own

              Wow. He used to do it in his room. Thank goodness he didn’t use it that often.

            • Baby

              I had a Wood Burner And a child’s little iron and ironing board. ( Hi pie)

            • Aslan’s Own

              Hi Baby! See the link I put above — it has the iron…. It’s really kind of unbelievable we didn’t have severe injuries from this stuff!

            • I had a working, miniature steam engine. If the risk of blowing up the boiler and liberating superheated steam wasn’t bad enough, it was fuelled by methylated spirit – which burns with an invisible flame. I also had very sharp knife for whittling.

            • Aslan’s Own

              Amazing we’re still here!! (We whittled too!)

            • I can still produce serviceable tent-pegs from a fallen tree branch. It’s not a skill that’s much in demand in the city, but still.

            • Aslan’s Own

              Ha! Always a good skill to have! πŸ˜‰

      • Puget Buckeye

        Nothing ickier than a buttery keyboard.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve had to resort to one handed typing at times so I could eat the popcorn with the other hand.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Funny, I’ve had to do that as well, but with other foods. I thought I was the only one. Thanks, now I know I’m not alone.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Pretty sure there are lots of one handed typists around….

            • Missionary Kid

              As the old joke goes – for porn sites.

      • Missionary Kid

        Corrected it. It’s a Jolly Time popper.

  • Well worth staying up for.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • madame duran

      Yo, those Subway paninis are yummm!! *points to ad in screen cap*

  • Liberated

    There’s an OT 8 who lives 45 mi. from me, I just wonder if she had the courage to watch this show.

    She made excuses for them every step of the way…I already know the answer. Of course not !

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      wouldn’t you love to burn a copy of the series and drop it to her anonymously

      • Liberated

        Yep…wish I knew how.

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          i wish i knew how to tell you to get the info to her (to save her!). the cognitive dissonance is the challenge in enlightenment but, wow, if so many captives could just learn that there are many who will help them while they save themselves

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Tonight’s special way exceeded my expectations, which were already high. It was so good that now I’ll have to watch it again to make sure I got everything. Very, very powerful. The guests were exceptional, and as in season 1, their stories were incredibly compelling. They are all heroes.

    • Qbird

      yep. a lot of info, packed into this well made doc.

  • AnyOldName1

    Next up – re-run of Aaron Levine’s episode. Leah read the dead agent pack on Aaron. No mention of the dog.

  • Chee Chalker

    Masterson is so screwed……

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Good.

    • Philbyification

      Tim Allen knows the Name is tainted….lol

  • Liberated

    This show blew my mind – for real !

  • ReallyMGM

    What a wonderful season interlude. Every interviewee had a compelling story, but Len had me in tears. i can’t believe how involved my husband has gotten into this topic. He is probably lurking around somewhere.

    • Supper Powers

      *waves at Mr MGM*

      • ReallyMGM

        I think he is watching because he thinks Leah is hot.

        ETA: He was also telling TC Top Gun jokes during commercial breaks.

        • Supper Powers

          I only come here for the good looking people, too.

          • ExCult.Jan

            Aw, shucks.

          • MaxLuvsDaBunk

            yes, this is a libido inspiring space

    • Science Doc

      How are you doing?

      • ReallyMGM

        Good now. Surgery in 12 days. Scared to death.

        • Science Doc

          I would visualize myself passing through a dark space and coming out better on the other side. First surgery when I came to in the brightly lit recovery room it was a realization of my metaphor.

  • Mockingbird

    I think it’s important to point out Mark Ebner points out to not underestimate the power of mind control. Leah Remini interrupts him and describes people catering to her, giving her acceptance and approval etc. Those are the false futures a narcissist or predator uses aka love bombing and mirroring your own desires aka the thought reform steps described by Lifton, Singer, Hassan, Ross, Lalich, Atack etc.

    Whether she understands it or not Leah Remini describes the exact techniques cult experts describe in their books and lectures. Mark Ebner calls it mind control and by any name it is abusive, dishonest and abusive influence.

    • JJ

      And in TC speak it is dating and four play…

      • Mockingbird

        Yep.

        • JJ

          Do they even see this or do they think ends justifies or do they just not give a shit? Honestly?

          • PerpetualOutflow

            The greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics baby.

          • Mockingbird

            I can’t claim to know every situation. I always recommend the videos by Margaret Singer and Robert Jay Lifton. Her book Cults In Our Midst and his eight criteria for thought reform (a short list free online) are simple and short.

            Most Scientologists don’t know a fraction of the crimes of the cult. They assume their group is good and any enemies are evil and lying. They think everything Hubbard said to do is right.

            • JJ

              That makes sense, I just read a book on escaping cults various ones can’t find it here. I think I am just a sap. I just don’t think in terms of how can I screw these people over for my own good…

            • Mockingbird

              If you are looking for professional advice I of course recommend going to a professional with an excellent reputation and great accomplishments. I don’t think anything I could say would be a suitable replacement.

            • JJ

              No, just value others insight into things.

            • JJ

              Cults Inside Out by Ross, that’s the one I just read.

            • Mockingbird

              I read and highly recommend that as the most complete guide to cults and cult materials. It’s excellent in my opinion.

          • Mockingbird

            A really thorough hypothesis on these relationships and cults is the book Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation. That’s a serious look deep into the mind of Hubbard and Scientologists.

            • JJ

              Read that one, yep. Maybe I am too self absorbed, I don’t understand others points of view.

            • ExCult.Jan

              You are too funny.

            • JJ

              Helping the patient see how subjectivity is lost, I wonder if it really work on a pure narcissist. i thought the view was something is literally missing in that psyche?

            • Mockingbird

              I am no expert. I certainly don’t know you and won’t venture a guess. Self diagnosis can be dangerous. I have to stress a lot of information on narcissism and predators involves metaphors that are built up. To use them on a distant historical figure like Hubbard won’t harm him. Using them on yourself could be harmful. It could give you incorrect or incomplete information that could be a disaster.

              I believe regarding Hubbard he had what is called vulnerable narcissism. That’s a hypothetical situation. In this hypothesis a person lacks confidence and self acceptance deep down inside.

              The hypothesis goes on to suppose a number of things. Including: that the person has a self image of being worthless, needing acceptance and love desperately but being in a double bind of being both unworthy and weak for needing acceptance. That’s a series of lies that hold the person in a dissociated and emotionally atrophied state. The person believes they lack decency and can show that in behavior.

              They try to escape this unbearable (and untrue) self image by creating an infallible and godlike false self. The false self has fake strengths where the inner self has flaws and weaknesses. They are lies but pathological lying constantly asserts them. Pathological denial of all repudiated aspects of self guides thought and lies. It also guides the attacks used on vulnerable people in acceptable targets and especially critics. Criticism is unbearable.

            • JJ

              I am in therapy, no worries M. I can see aspects of that in myself but not absolute, I would not harm someone else for my own benefit. I don’t push myself forward expect the best and take nothing less in life… I am not that kind of person. I think I just, I don’t know, I find it hard to understand such a point of view. Can’t imagine why, my father was a narcissistic jerk OTfour I am thinking. . Why would you want to be like that? maybe is what I am feeling here…

    • Missionary Kid

      It just occurred to me that the tactics are similar to those of a child molester.

      • JJ

        Very. CoS grooms it future parishioners first it picks one then it susses out their weaknesses then it floats around for the full on, them consumes…

      • Puget Buckeye

        Grooming the victim.

        • Missionary Kid

          Exactly.

      • Supper Powers

        Oh, huh. Yeah. Kinda. Wow.

      • Mockingbird

        Another kind of predator that like Hubbard can be narcissistic and sociopathic. Using others through lies with no compassion or empathy.

        • Missionary Kid

          You nailed it. Narcissists have no empathy.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Ending with that outrageous, nasty LRH policy scrolling up threatening to surface and expose the “crimes” of anyone who criticizes them was masterful.

    • Roger Hornaday

      Yes, and with that creepy music in the background playing while you read it. VERY effective!

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Yes, the music is fantastic and adds so much.

  • madame duran

    STAND seems to have created a new Twitter account (since the original once was so successful at being ignored)…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4aeafbeb1450657c7e0c378125f40f86202bb69e9f62dd1701e8ac69a0854c4.jpg

  • ComeToPresentTime

    Very well done premiere episode. And yes, the ending crawl with that menacing LRH quote was ingenious. The more of those direct quotes from policy and LRH himself that you can put in there, the better.

  • FredEX2

    Since my friends and I talked all thru the program bc they had so many questions and were so appalled… ~we are now watching it again with no interruptions to be sure we didn’t miss anything. So…saying good-nite to the Bunker…Ill be back later πŸ˜‰

    In the meantime…just to clarify MY policy when dealing with others…it is simply this;
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/006d5196bd75b3b870ee681e36c74004453b102e18c4e90dd42a98247df0381d.jpg

    • Qbird

      go Doll go ~ πŸ™‚ I’d like to see it again, in this way, too!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I just ❀️you Fred… and so thankful you hosted friends and filled them in! You’re amazing!

      • FredEX2

        xo😘

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Can the Bunker Twitter Posse light up Masterson and ask him if he’s as excited about season 2 as the rest of us are?

  • Mockingbird

    The Australian dream team in action. Beautiful story of a journalist and politician exposing crimes.

  • Tony Ortega

    Going to take a little break before west coast airing starts at midnight here and Twitter heats up with questions again.

    Back in a bit.

  • Supper Powers

    That was quite the frenzy. Would someone mind opening a window, please?

  • T minutes thirty minutes and counting . . .

    • Glen

      Yo, west coast crew…How you doing?

      • Puget Buckeye

        West coast checking in. Ready for launch.

        • Glen

          Nice to see you. I’m not going to be part of the live blogging so I can concentrate as it unfolds. I’ll be back at 11.

          • Puget Buckeye

            I’ve made the same decision. I want to give this my undivided attention.

        • JJ

          Waist gunner checking in

      • Missionary Kid

        West Coast satellite viewers have seen it. Cable viewers had it time shifted so the program local time matched the New York local time.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Digesting my dinner and watching Leah talk to Janet Reitman.

      • Still sizzling from the blast.

  • vaguely_succinct

    Thank you, everyone, for all the great live blogging, the twitter feeds, the screen grabs, the terrific comments and all the wonderful J & D – ing!!

  • Mockingbird

    Stephen Kent explained Hubbard’s malignant narcissism as the motivation behind Scientology !

    Loving it ! Fair game from that as obsession with destruction of critics.

    I obviously wrote on that as the core of Scientology myself and in Traumatic Narcissism Daniel Shaw describes the malignant narcissism of cult leaders (and child abusers, predators in families etc.) even further.

    It’s great to see different aspects of stripping down Scientology to expose it completely and Hubbard himself get moments on the show. I would love another two hour episode with a panel with Jon Atack and other cult experts breaking down Scientology and Hubbard for the whole episode. A dream panel could have Atack, Lifton, Shaw, Ross, Lalich, Hassan…maybe it should be a few episodes with Jon Atack hosting a couple guests each show.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
    • Missionary Kid

      AMEN!

    • Mockingbird

      I would love a long video from you giving both your reactions and opinions on the content of this video and the effects you think it will create for Scientology and Miscavige. Haha.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Give him till Thursday. ; )

        • Mick Roberts

          Ok, but he better have it done by 2:00 PM that day!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Stats!

  • Jimmy3

    What did I miss? Tell me in three words or less.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Sexy blue dress

    • JJ

      Scientology’s coming undone.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Fuh king awesome.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      Hot Fucking Australians

    • Sherbet

      Scientology is bad.

      • Ella Raitch

        Whaaaat?! Stop the press

    • JJ

      David wet himself.

      • Jimmy3

        So from what I can tell so far, there was a hot chick in a sexy dress, some hot Australians, a bad cult unraveling, and all this led to an angry little man peeing himself. I will watch this show. But I’m fast forwarding thru the part where fly is naked.

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          yah *nods* sure he’s fast forwarding through a naked fly.

          • Jimmy3

            Already seen it. Nothing special.

        • JJ

          Angry Little Man Peeing Himself, is going to be one of the numbers in the Scientology musical!

    • Supper Powers

      Fly got naked.

    • JJ

      Not enough Scotch.

    • GrangerFX

      Nothing, move along.
      https://youtu.be/rSjK2Oqrgic

      • JJ

        These aren’t the droids you’re looking for….

    • Liberated

      Dave called Saul.

    • TexasBroad

      Itwasawesomeandpowerful! Hi Jimmy.

      • Jimmy3

        Hi you. How you?

        • TexasBroad

          Me? So good.
          Tired from too much fun this weekend…but now looking forward to Denver!

          • Jimmy3

            I know. Fun tires me out. That’s why I never have any.

    • Mick Roberts

      Dave shit pants….

  • Gene Trujillo

    “Some 40 years later, his conscience eating away at him, he messaged Paulette, telling her what he had done and asking for her forgiveness. It was a very rare gesture, and one we’re glad to see recognized on this compelling broadcast”

    That is really rare! Of the corrupt and abusive authority figures I can think of from my life, exactly ONE has ever acted in the slightest like what they did was wrong. It takes a big person to own up.

  • Shivani33

    Stephen Kent explained a lot about how auditing and its process of experiencing e-meter “victories,” encouraged by the session leader, can overthrow someone’s own conscience by giving a sense of progress and even redemption. Then the Scientology indoctrination can step into the gap and supplant someone’s own individuality with its hook. Plus, Mr. Kent wasn’t hesitant to recognize Hubbard as a malignant narcissist. Everyone on the Aftermath special was magnificent tonight. Len Zinberg gave heartfelt wisdom, and he reached right out from the tv screen. Unforgettable. It was a privilege to watch.

  • As memorialized on ESMB and WWP, Nation of Islam member Raymond Muhammad III claims the relationship between the Nation of Islam and Scientology was his idea. As also memorialized on ESMB and WWP, during tonight’s special this twitter conversation occurred:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea4abd7d83dd73ce7c2e0c7b09de85973c9cbbeddc2560b902eda102558678fd.png

    • Jimmy3

      “Y’all have know fucking idea who your talking too.”

      And you have know fucking idea how to talk write.

      • Philbyification

        lol What a doofus!!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
  • Joe

    Me watching Leah fearlessly dismantle Scientology one brick at a time:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f38daadcca9bba055e28112877b2bf049ebdff90e9f701b2a193d03513453c31.jpg

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
    • Philbyification

      Wowzer!

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      Remini gonna rue ….. ummmmmm, NOT

    • Wow

    • Joe

      Leah Remini? More like Leah RUE-mini!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Somebody’s taking a long ride in the rue canoe, and it sure ain’t Leah. ; )

    • ExCult.Jan

      So there was a settlement?

      • Jimmy3

        There doesn’t need to be a settlement for a deal to have been reached.

        • Philbyification

          Jeffrey best have gotten his Costs, ect. ffs

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
        • Some things are known by those in the right places, but can’t be spoken of. Typically the truth comes out only after ethical, practical or legal restraints are no longer in force. That takes time.

          However, we may never know because Marty (despite his self-importance) was only of interest to very, very small group of people. In years to come, nobody will care. The show has already moved on.

          For my money, he was bought off, and only the details remain to be revealed to all.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      That was direct (& awesome)!

  • When JAW spew out his hatred tweets, he don’t realize that we are all blocked https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4178e87e5fdd52279396c040af9b79e69f7c3d4631222fb37a8c9ea0c56ae84b.jpg

      • Guess they don’t block a Tigger.

        • Well I don’t use Twitter much. I tried to send Len a message and I can’t because I’m not following him? Anyway Len (((Hugs))) and lots of happy thoughts πŸ™‚

          @LenZinberg (((Hugs))) Len. Thank you so much for speaking out even though I’m sure it would have been easier to walk away. It hurts I know, but we can sleep at night. We are on the side of truth. Things will be easier for us all now…

          • ReallyMGM

            Put a period in front of the @ sign. That sometimes gets it through.

            • Haha I thought the -100 meant I could add 100 more characters. I shortened it and it went. Thx πŸ™‚

            • Some days ago i left you a [Direct Message] if you get around to it

            • Thxs for the reminder πŸ™‚

            • Got you πŸ™‚

          • try click on this link https://twitter.com/LenZinberg
            I just “followed” him too

    • ReallyMGM

      Ha! I blocked JAW when he tried to follow me. (And his other account and his twit.)

      • Creepy John likes to stalk good looking people on Twitter.

    • That’s one of the problems with social media run for profit. It’s not about creating a forum for debate – it’s about increasing engagement to get more eyes on the advertising.

      One of the ways of doing that it to give participants software tools to hide dissenting opinion from them. Consequently they can form self-congratulatory little groups and live the illusion that they are all very clever. The ability to block too many people simply facilitates confirmation bias.

      Of course, there are Trolls and fanatics out there, who are incapable of understanding, let alone participating in civilised debate. If the reasonable rules set by organisations like Twitter were enforced, this would not be a problem.

      The problem is ideologues like JAW, who don’t understand the basic concept of debate, can insulate themselves from reality by blocking everyone who disagrees with them. Free speech guarantees that everyone has a say – including those who call bullshit on you.

      I’d like to see social networks putting a limit on the number of people you can block, forcing minimal engagement with the world and reducing their tendency to create thought-tight bubbles.

      • They are just Probing and Automating Social media, at this point. They will come in, in large numbers when they finalized some sort of Checksheet to create Ronbot’s with a Twitter Account. The Twitter platform is perfect for this type of Recruitment and it’s going to grow! My game plan here is to outnumber them, which should be doable even with those Indies and other Anti-Anti Derps! out there with a Twitter Account. This will not self-regulate as their normal activities does by now, but the shear numbers of people to reach is a Global problem. Our Voice should be heard in the same scale if something should be done about this.

        • That’s assuming that Scientology is still organised enough to do the job, that Miscavige will ever approve something he simply doesn’t understand, he is prepared to take the risk of exposing Scientology to those entheta interweb thingies.

          I think the opposition can do a better job, despite having fewer numbers because Scientology is losing the organisational ability to deploy those that it has.

          • You damn right πŸ™‚ which is why i am curious about – who know’s what about Internet. I am told that INCOMM is dead dead dead. And who is going to do the stuff at SMP? so JAW & GEM is the closest to have any idea about social media, but they will never do SMP. STAAD might be a in-house production and a new division with a budget. Or they will just do all-hands as there are plenty of Scios on Facebook and Twitter etc. But their capabilities is way behind and it has to be “On Source” or something.

            • The whole INCOMM thing – and the CofS attitude to IT in general reminds me of big corporations I have encountered, whose computers are so thoroughly secured that employees couldn’t actually use them for the purposes they were intended.

              I’ve spoken to a frustrated member of a company whose job it was to help people to look for work online. He found that he couldn’t sign clients up for a gmail account because that wasn’t in the tiny whitelist – which didn’t include employers web forms either. The system was so secure, it wasn’t fit for purpose.

              The point about the Internet is that is constitutes the world’s only working anarchy. You can’t use it effectively unless you embrace that. The CofS can’t give members access to the whole thing in case they see thing they shouldn’t – so they can’t even try to refute all of that ‘entheta’ – just preach to the choir.

              Getting lots of people to post on Facebook and Twitter runs up against the blocking problem. They can’t engage with outsiders who comment, or ask the most mild of questions – ‘disconnection’ is the thing. Outsiders will be blocked – and you are back to preaching to the choir. That and being ridiculed because what you say is so out of touch.

              The only way that Scientology might use the ‘net effectively is to bring in outside contractors – and that would not sit well with DM because:

              a) He can’t micromanage them
              b) He doesn’t have the slightest idea what it is about, and doesn’t want anyone to see that
              c) Hubbard gave lots of advice about selling books and periodicals and handing out leaflets but never seems to have encountered anything like the Internet in all of his previous lives. When it faces the ‘net ,Scientology has got nothing.

              Now and again, a few people will leak through with the expertise to set up something like STAAD – but however good the result is technically, none of it will work because of the crude and inept nature of the content.

              In short, even when they have the technical expertise, management doesn’t and will try to use the ‘net to ‘disseminate’ the same old same old. Today’s story is a perfect illustration of how they just don’t (can’t) get the Internet.

            • If only we can keep them away from mainstream media or the Internet, they will have to go about it, like in the “good” old days πŸ™‚ It must be frustrating.

            • Where I live, it is, indeed, very frustrating to be Scientologist.

              After years of setting up a handcart in the shopping area and offering ‘personality tests’ the local Council has noticed they didn’t have the required licence, and has spoken to them at least twice to tell them to stop. The have had to.

              It’s almost a year since anyone handed out a leaflet and the handcart has only been out once apparently because head office ordered it.

              On that occasion they not only got warned by the council again but also sanctioned by the Advertising Standards Authority for the misleading statements in the leaflet they handed out (which COSRECI has undertaken not to repeat anywhere in the country) https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/the-advertising-standards-authority-versus-the-church-of-scientology-plymouth/

              There is only one enterprise that keeps the money coming in… and that’s being dealt with next.

            • I remember how this was degrading to be send out on the streets and expose your self like that. Not just me, but all hated this. Everybody knew this, so it was only done as a “punishment” or when assigned low condition and you should “make up the damage”. He he.. It is the same with those VM – PR stunt’s – They have to round up those with low Ethics presence and order them out on the street. All private (WISE) influenced companies, better remove any reference or affiliation to their “private” and strange obsession with LRH. I really believe that all Active LRH followers should be proud of this connection and stand by their choice of living and not hide it for us to expose and ridicule. AND not expose any underage to this abnormal behavior OR – keep the shit in private! While NOT imposing their scam on others!

            • In the whole area around the Plymouth Org there are only about 30 Scientologists – and the half-dozen ‘true believers’ who took out the handcart seemed to relish the effort.

              Around here, any opportunity to break out of the org, where you simply sit for hours, waiting for people who never walk in, is probably an exciting change, not a punishment.

              You can sit in the coffee shop across the road just before 09:00 and watch the people come in for ‘muster’ (timekeeping is very strict). There are never any new recruits. Their income from Scientology has been closed down. The only people who pay for courses are the declining band of ‘true believers’ who have been in for decades.

            • You know how some becomes a monk and check out from their environment for years. It can also be that this group of scios are running a dating club. If there in fact, are 30 active scios circling that org, it is a very high number and they must have other reason to be there other than, fear of getting worse or trying to expand it to an Ideal org. It sounds like they are loafing and running on fumes. There must be some Front groups or Wise companies that keeps it going. Sometimes an Org is kept as a recruitment pool and a training camp or they simply don’t pay any rent πŸ™‚

            • The 30 is the sum total. The are probably less than a dozen staff, who live from hand to mouth. The rest are not particularly active. The Org really is bumping along the bottom.

              I know what keeps it going. I think I know how to reduce that income too, and am working on it. However, there’s no point in giving them a heads-up, so watch this space πŸ™‚

            • Keep me posted πŸ™‚

            • I shall. Your skills will be most relevant.

  • EmmaDaoust

    As it happens, June 1st is World Narcissistic Abuse Awareness Day.
    http://www.wnaad.com

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Just watching here on the West Coast. We EAT DINNER at 6:00.

  • Mike Rinder

    Thanks to Tony and all his Bunker commenters for your support, humor and insight. Both Leah and I appreciate you more than you know.

    • Vaquera

      What a team!

    • Qbird

      I think you’re doin’ it right, Mike.

    • Jimmy3

      What does she smell like? I bet it’s like strawberries or coconut or maybe some combination, like a fresh fruit salad, maybe. Am I right? Is that weird to ask? You don’t have to answer. You know what, never mind.

    • Missionary Kid

      Your show is even better, if that is possible, than previous episodes. You are opening up the floodgates of truth.

      Thank you both.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Y’all are both heroes. Let the virtual hug parade begin!

      http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0413/epic-hugs-cat-dot.gif

      • gtsix

        I have been asking about you! Ya been missed. Figured you’d pop in for the show. Hope you’re well.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Hey, babes! Thanks for checking on me. I emailed you back. I’m OK, just been so busy–and so stressed–at work lately that I have had little time or mental energy for much else. But I couldn’t miss the big episode! Will try not to go MIA as long again…

    • TexasBroad

      It was so powerful. Highlighting the POLICY throughout was so effective!
      Love and support and gratitude from the Bunker!

    • Joe

      We love you, Mike. When we see you, we don’t see the former Scientologist, or the former OSA agent. We see the incredibly brave, compassionate, and kind person you are and continue to be. All the best to you and your family.

      • Mick Roberts

        ^^^^^^^

    • Supper Powers

      DOG PILE RINDER!!!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Americans are suckers for anybody with a vaguely British accent. And Leah is a force of nature. So there you are.

      • Philbyification

        Plus Ebner! πŸ˜€

    • same back ‘atcha!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thanks Mike, and Leah, for all you have put on the line to tell these stories, to show the true nature of Scientology and show exactly WHY something must be done.

      I watched the show and I think, I was at that raid, I knew Ford, I’ve met Lin. I have this surreal history that is hard to explain to people, and to tell them about things sounds so far-fetched and absurd I can see they don’t really get it. They look at me with the side eye, not sure I could possibly be telling the truth.

      But what you are doing is SHOWING, with the emotion and the history and documents and corroboration so that it is not some story, easy to discount. Instead it is STORY, it is real and urgent and makes way for action.

      It is that truth, the personal, messy, emotional, essential truth you are telling that will change things.

      Thank you.

      Michael Leonard Tilse

      • Kitz

        Not all of us side eye you. πŸ™‚

    • madame duran

      Continue to kick Scientology’s butt.

    • And thank You and Leah.

  • PickAnotherID

    As strong as tonights show was, those teasers for ‘Season 2’ have got to have Miscavige looking for a clean pair of underwear.

  • Mick Roberts

    Wait, so the Aftermath special is just being shown on the West Coast now? Oh boy……Miscavige about to be like…….

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d20b0211f4a65536e29cef41fac48064d22f4d511be7fc8d31e79ace72de41df.gif

    • Missionary Kid

      Some of us on the left coast got to see it at the same time ans N.Y. because we have satellite TV with the Eastern feed.

      • My Direct TV has it on at 10 again.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. Same here. I’m gonna watch what I captured on DVR again. That way I can blast through the commercials. As noted, I am going to patronize the companies that bought time. Sam Adams, for a start.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Since MK keeps bragging about his ability to watch at EST time (& I had to twiddle my thumbs while he watched w/everyone) I’m just going to brag that I got to hang out with MK last week AND get to road trip to HC w/Cece… just sayin! πŸ˜œπŸ˜˜πŸ˜‹

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Well that was a bit unsettling to see. Film crew at the Valley Ideal Org opening being followed and harassed. I was at the opposite end of the property, taking some pretty awful video while a couple of completely hapless goons roamed the street below. THEY DID NOT LOOK UP.

    Now I wonder if they were convinced that all the SPs were around on Burbank Blvd.

  • safeweb

    That program was eye opening for me and I have previously read all of those policies. In SCN, there is a huge emphasis on doing right; and understanding right from wrong. Scn’tist often write down their transgressions in detail. I have read a lot of these write ups. Remarkably, I have never seen any parishioner write up a transgression about harming a critic or anything of that ilk. It is not considered wrong in SCN and SCN’tist do not question the policies such as the ones gone over on tonight’s broadcast.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Hi, safeweb! Thanks for sharing your experience.

    • How could one transgress by harming a critic? The Scientology Code of Honor says to never fear to harm another in a just cause. Plus, doing so is inevitably the greatest good for the greatest number of Dynamics. Since Scientology is the only hope for Mankind, anything good for Scientology is good for the remaining Dynamics, so the calculation is easy. /sarcasm.

  • PickAnotherID

    Just scrolling back through the DVR for anything I missed, and Stephen Kent nailed it. $cientology acts like a malignant narcissist organization because Hubbard built it in his own image.

    • Mick Roberts

      I’m one of those 159 retweets. If you don’t do your part and go retweet that too, then turn in your Bunker card immediately!

      • Which one are you? Are you sure!

        • Mick Roberts
          • Well the red Heart is mine.. You have to do better πŸ™‚

            • Mick Roberts

              Oh well, I’m not a master like you. It’s only been a few months since I’ve been Twittering (wait, “Twittering” is really a word? Doesn’t request auto-correct? The hell is the world coming to?)

            • Liberated

              Dice yells at me, but I’m still not on twitter.

            • Mick Roberts

              He yells at you? What an ass…..with that said…

              WHY THE HELL AREN’T YOU ON TWITTER LIBERATED?!?!?!!!

            • Liberated

              Stop yelling at me…I’m very sensitive.

            • Mick Roberts
            • Liberated

              Aww..that’s so nice. I don’t even know how to do that.
              I’m learning, there’s plenty of time.

            • FredEX2

              Favorite gif ever…

            • Yes you are – Lurker!

            • Liberated

              I just check your site out, but I’m not a participant.

              Speaking of lurking – have you heard from ” longtime-lurker ?”

            • Nope – not a word!

            • MaxLuvsDaBunk

              Twatting

            • I see your Face all over Twitter when i get around and some really obscure place where someone has grabbed it and speak about it in a foreign language Bwahaha πŸ™‚

  • TexasBroad

    Looks like we’re going to have a lot more people checking into the Bunker soon.

    • Missionary Kid

      I love it, but I’d rather have a lot more people checking out of $cientology. πŸ˜‰

      • I_scream_truck

        Ideally, one would be indicative of the other!

        • Missionary Kid

          Good point.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Babeh!

    • Juicer77

      Looks like our Baby after the PiePocalypse! XD

  • Newiga

    My nap was a bit longer than planned but got to work in time! Thank you again for all your comments! πŸ™‚ See you in the next post!

  • mikecrosby

    Well, haven’t been here in awhile. At least posting.

    Holy shit, did Leah, Mike and guests knock it out of the park? Now’s the time for this so-called religious organization to come under government scrutiny, lose their tax exempt status, and for Miscavige to go to prison.

  • ExCult.Jan

    Sure hope Judge Whitmore is watching.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Oh wait, would he then have to recuse himself?

  • Scorching. Just fucking scorching. So cool to see so many of my heroes in conversation and I can’t wait to see the Paul Haggis episode! Holy shit, I wouldn’t want to be Danny Masterson.

  • Harpoona Frittata

    $cientology, “spreading sweeping falsehoods with wild abandon” since 1954!

    My sweet Xenu, that was one great special!

  • Baby

    Came home from my mini trip.. passed out and just woke up… off to watch taped Leah’s show with popcorn and kleenex.. xo baby https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/492cde19113e71f39b6fabfcea089ac5df0590195dbf51d84e41896968288014.gif

    • Oh, there’s a Kleenex moment alright. XO!

    • Liberated

      You will flip out …it’s so good.

      I followed up with a BLT…had to calm my nerves.

  • Glen

    That was powerful storytelling and an incredible indictment of the policies that fuel the misdeeds. Has a spokesperson for $ci ever, even once, acknowledged a wrongdoing?

    • Just Mike.

      • Glen

        I’m not sure he did when he was in. His awakening has been awesome and I admire him tremendously. This show was not the right moment but I was really interested in some of the nuts and bolts of how OSA has managed things. Who checks the plane tickets? How are they able to do that? etc.

        • I remember when Tory escaped to the LMT there was a lot of discussion of how they accomplished their infiltration of the airlines and credit card companies. I wish I could be more specific, but my memory isn’t what it used to be. Maybe Operation Clambake, but it could have even been a thread on ARS at the time.

          • Glen

            O/T, Artoo, but did you do the graphics for HJF again this year and are you heading up there next week?

            • Yes and yes. Especially looking forward to Django All Stars.

          • Philbyification

            Hi Artoo45! Those companies need to find their leaking fraudsters! All confidence in the confidentiality of services is gone. ffs I hope Everyone going to the HC keeps track of airline and whether or not they are accosted at the airport….I’m surprised there have not been seriously injured $cilon stalkers. Also, the ABA needs to send out a group letter to ALL it’s Legit. Members regarding Tactics of the $cilon Legal team and Bogus Complainers need to be Sanctioned or Disbarred. Same for all the false police reports they have filed. The A/E Show was Great!

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Robert Vaughn Young was also a spokesman, who did a lot to acknowledge wrongs before he died. I think there were others, perhaps John McMasters.

        • I forgot RVY was a spokesperson. I always admired him. I’m sorry we lost him so young.

        • dungeon master

          Reg Sharpe – did he not become an outspoken critic after they fkd with him?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    So I was talking to the bar owner. He watched a few minutes of the show, off and on.

    I had to correct him that it was a ponzi scheme. No, it’s not.

    And finally told him this: Scientology is a fraud. It steals your money. It steals your soul. And it steals the life you could have made, if you hadn’t been a Scientologist.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Your were watching it in a bar?!?! If so, that’s awesome and even more so if you were able to engage the owner as he semi-watched since you never know who else overheard your discussion & was impacted!

  • Ree..Pete

    WOW Wow WOW….incredible episode.. Thanks to Leah,Mike and A&E for making this show. Season 2 is going to be a tsunami that $ci can’t stop. My advice is for Big Being and OSA members, START having the seaborg pack lots of luggage for your long stay on the FleeWinds πŸ›³ remember (because you’re a coward and I don’t want you pushing women and children to secure your spot on a life raft ) The captain goes down with the ship. Much respect and love to TO and all the Bunkerues.

  • Storm Chaser

    Glad Leah & Mike spent time going over the history and actual text of the written policies; it really added credibility to the show, as did the outstanding panel. Everyone had their stories, but Len Zinberg’s story really touched me in TUML, and even more so in person. It’s gonna be a great Season 2!

  • I saw a few similar tweets during the first season of Scientology and the Aftermath. I always wrote them off to coincidence, That may be getting harder to do. Is it really possible the COS is researching people on Twitter and sending them promo?

    https://twitter.com/DivorceSayss/status/869445392022331392

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Wow! Nice of you to offer to research – crazy that they’d go to those lengths!

      Um… hearing stories of abuse, coercion, financial fraud, forced abortions… “ooooh wait, I got a pamphlet from them… never mind, they must be ok after all!” Beyond ridiculousness!

      • I recall seeing at least one such tweet the first season. I’ll see if I can find it. I think I posted a screenshot to ESMB / WWP. Most (including me) took it as coincidence, but this makes me wonder. Possible plausibly deniable intimidation in the form of, “We know who you are and where you live?” Plus gaslighting — if you complain, you look like a nut? Seems unlikely, but I’m not sure I’d put it past the COS to ID a Twitter user and send them promo.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Definitely seems like their MO! It’ll be interesting to watch & see if more people have this occur (& will take a LOT of brochures based on last night’s responses!).

      • richelieu jr

        to be fair, that is one helluva pamphlet!

        “if the paper is glossy then we can be bossy!”

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          lol true that & now that’s going to be stuck in my head now! (Thx a lot Rich-e-rich!)
          I tried replying to you on the older eCig/vapes for SO people and Disqus hates me, so hoping I didn’t post it 3x… I’ll go check and if it didn’t post – I’ll make sure my reply gets to you!

  • mandymarie20

    Wow. Just finished the 2 hour special. Amazing. After watching Aftermath I always want to give them a huge hug, especially Len. Can’t wait for season 2. The hints are too enticing. Haggis and I assume the Masterson accusers as well. Can’t come soon enough.

    • Juicer77

      Possibly Haggis, but I doubt the Masterson case will be addressed unless it’s in a very, very careful fashion. They don’t want to do anything to cause problems with the ongoing investigation or for the women involved. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.
      ** ETA; oops, haven’t seen the episode or Season 2 previews yet. Will keep comment as is.

  • madame duran
  • War History Online: Church of Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard’s War Against the Sea… And Mexico
    (5/29/17)

    https://warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/church-scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-war-sea-mexico-xc.html

    /

    • Missionary Kid

      Big mistake. LRH was NOT a submarine commander.

      • Yeah, I think he meant to say anti-submarine commander, which would be consistent with the remainder of the text. Knowing the story, I read past it that way.

    • Missionary Kid

      Another mistake. LRH wasn’t demoted after shelling the Coronado Islands, but he was removed from command of a ship. If it was peacetime, he would have been court martialed.

      • I’ve always wondered why he wasn’t – he fired upon the territory of a neutral country (an island sometimes used by Mexican fisherman) when the US was at war.

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe it was because it was wartime, and they didn’t want to waste time and personnel on a court martial that were needed for the war effort.

          Shelling Coronado Island was an act of stupidity rather than malice. Removal from being a captain on a ship in peacetime would end a career, and every subsequent superior would recognize that he was a fuck-up when they read his jacket that set forth his career. However, this was wartime. He would never command another ship, which on his personnel file would be a glaring red flag.

          I believe that the Navy was happy to have him in the hospital, where he could do little damage. Unfortunately, he used his experience to develop the basis of the fuckery that became Dianetics and evolved into Scientology.

          As a Drill Instructor would ask a recruit who had fucked up when I was in the service, “Did the Viet Cong send you here to fuck things up?” Hubbard’s actions bordered on sabotage, but were much closer to idiocy.

          • When the Algol was set to steam into a war zone (not knowing that it would be spared combat) I believe Hubbard ‘discovered’ a Molotov cocktail in the engine room.

            He left the ship shortly afterwards. I wonder if expected to fool anyone with this transparent put-up job, or was aiming to avoid getting in harm’s way.

            I think he came a lot closer to actual sabotage than is recognised.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t remember that incident, but I wouldn’t put him past it. He was a genuine slacker, or, as they put it during WWII, a feather merchant. Definition: : one in a position that involves little effort or responsibility or that calculatedly evades effort or responsibility : loafer.

            • The command that he lost was in home waters and, if he had kept it, he would never have seen action. When he lost it, he could have sent into a war zone.

              I think that some of that loafing (and this incident in particular) was calculated to keep him out of harm’s way. He like to play the war hero, but actually worked hard to avoid fighting.

  • madame duran
  • Juicer77

    Pardon if a repost… if you purchased Season 1 of The Aftermath on Amazon, Episode 9 from last night has posted as included content. πŸ™‚

    Welcome, newbies and lurkers and under-the-radars. Coffee is on, the kettle is boiling. Plenty of comfy seating here and lots of people willing to listen and answer questions. (refresh for good listener) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b42e0a85e19fbd67bca876a3e7d56ab278a57615f2671b9e2773fc0c28075181.jpg

  • ombrifuge

    Would Miscavige have watched this, or do you think he would have been scared of losing his eternity?

    Of course, he should be scared of losing that regardless of whether he watched it or not.

  • Juicer77

    Just one comment: Leah can do away with the soft-focus lens. You don’t need it, girl! Let us see you clearly. It’s a bit distracting to have everyone else in sharp focus and then suddenly Leah is fuzzy.

    • FredEX2

      That’s not a soft focus lense Juicer…Leah just glows with a soft light like that naturally.

      • FredEX2

        And I just bet that natural light around her glows white hot when she’s mad!
        Just love Leah. I want to be her sister too. ❀️

      • Juicer77

        My mistake! πŸ˜‰

  • AntoniaW

    Anyone got any advice for me on how to watch in UK? Before there’s been rutube, but no luck this time so far…

  • Yahoo TV: How Australia Is Taking Down Scientology on ‘Scientology and the Aftermath’

    https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/tv/australia-taking-scientology-scientology-aftermath-082404811.html

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  • OmegaPaladin

    Wow. That was a powerful episode. I’ve got to say, Ms. Cooper is one hell of woman. To suffer that much, and to be that gracious to her tormenter… Yeah, my eyes misted up. Note to scientology – this is what real ethics are like: aggressively fighting injustice while being forgiving of people. Truly a lovely and unbreakable woman. More people should know her name.

    The focus on Hubbard’s policies was intelligent and not a cheap shot. I expect that Deviant Miscarriage is furious right now.

    By the way, if you do not have cable, I highly recommend going to Amazon and purchasing the series. Unlimited streaming and commercial free, and the price is very reasonable.

    • Juicer77

      Last night’s episode included in Season 1.
      ** Use the link above to the left to get to Amazon, and show the Bunker some love!

      • ombrifuge

        Does anyone know if I buy this from amazon.com will I be able to watch it in the UK?

        • AntoniaW

          I tried: can’t complete the purchase:-
          “We’re unable to complete your order. Your payment method was not charged. The billing address on your payment method must be a valid address in the United States. If you are paying with a credit card, your credit card must be issued from a bank in the United States. If you have any questions, please contact Amazon Customer Service.” Sob.

          • ombrifuge

            That is a real shame.

          • FredEX2

            Antonia, I wonder if someone in the USA bought it for you and sent you the link in an email…if the link would work there?

          • mark

            has anyone in the US who purchased through Amazon, since traveled to UK and tried to watch it there?

        • Juicer77

          My apologies for the late reply, hopefully others will have answered. Most likely you will need a US proxy VPN to view it. Otherwise a UK connection will not work.

  • LesJolies Choses

    can someone put a link of the show?
    im a fan from Paris and there is no A&E channel on cable tv.
    i watch on you tube the previous shows.
    many thanks

    • AntoniaW

      I’m in the same situation in the UK. As far as I recall, we watched on rutube (Russian equivalent of YouTube) but it took a while for the episodes to be posted, so maybe one just has to be patient. If I find something that works I’ll put a link up.

      • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

        It’s on Rutube now in 3 parts.

    • Just Dee

      Try this link – I don’t know if it will work for you but give it a try!
      http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/season-1/episode-9

    • Jeruso

      Try with Dare TV’s website. I suggest a strong addblocker.

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      It’s now on Rutube in 3 parts. It’s a site just like YouTube if you aren’t familiar with it.

  • John Prince

    Season 2 of “..Aftermath” ready to kick-off to a Rapidly Growing Worldwide Audience and still nary a sound from smp? Zilch. .not the first crackle of Static? No chirping cricket? WHEN will we hear from the outspoken krusty ally & Co. Defending their “cherch” against You Bigotted Hate-Mongers? I feel cheated! She promised “you’ll hear from me! ! They’d never invite a real One. .”
    You”re invited, Krusty, to open your mouth and say SOMETHING,
    (tapping Foot, arms folded impatiently)

  • Eivol Ekdal

    I purchased the show from here…
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/tv/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/8d6kgx0qrmvv
    I registered a Microsoft account choosing US and my country on signup.
    I connected to a USA VPN to avoid any possible restrictions not sure if that is necessary.
    I paid $2.99 for the HD version.
    You will need Internet Explorer running the Microsoft Silverlight.

    • mark

      If you bought season 1 through Amazon, this is counted as episode 9 and is now available for viewing at no extra charge. Just finished watching it.

  • bixntram

    Offhand, does anyone have a quick PR email address for writing letters the IRS? On the website I saw everything else, but not that. I’m sure it’s there somewhere, but I didn’t see it. Thanks.

  • rayne troika sheep troll

    this cult’s representative(s) (whoever wrote the letters to a&e) is/are so ignorant they put in their letter “its leah remini and mike rinder who are trying to break up families with their deprogramming attempts…”
    soooo…. you are admitting you use mind-control and program people then, right?

  • To anyone out there that knows they need to improve their life, I hope this will inspire you:
    – 10 years ago on 31 May, 2007 I moved into my van to ‘get away from Hollywood’. My husband was still in the Sea Org. He moved to a dorm and I rented Hotels for use every weekend.
    – By end 2007 I’d gotten a divorcee (because I would not be returning) and early 2008 purchased my current Ford 350 dully and a 32 foot 5th wheel. I’ve lived in it for 9 years.
    – My next husband had TBI and earlier PTSD and killed himself in this home. I’ve tried to remodel and move on but I’m still fragile from the death and leaving LRH faith I had for 40 years and have been subject to breakage.
    – This week with the help of a dear dear friend (who I will owe for the next couple years) I am moving into my forever RV and am going to fulfill my dream of traveling, seeing friends and parks, reading books and doing art work I make from sticks and stuff around.
    * I’ll be 65 this year and feel much healthier and happier then 20 years ago when I got kicked out of the Sea Org by Jenny Linson and cried for the next 10 to understand how could I be tossed aside after my 20 years of service?
    Well now I know with-out a doubt why I was not wanted. Thank you to every single one of you that is speaking up and supporting getting the truth known. You are changing life’s. I could not be here with out your support.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7131494b60605db0e62b5bf2e135515261614b2245060e9b631d75636bd485f.png

    • Juicer77

      May the roads always be smooth and the views fantastic! πŸ™‚

    • balletlady

      Wisdom comes with age….takes some of us a little longer to understand that. What happened to you was NOT your fault….you truly are a very loving and caring person and your post clearly indicates that. To those who were too stupid to SEE & understand that, it’s their loss.

      Hey just take a LOOK at all those folks on Tony and Mike’s blog to KNOW you are not and will NEVER AGAIN be alone…WOO HOO….happy travels darling! xoxoxoxoxo

    • Liberated

      If you find yourself driving thru Indiana you are more than welcome to hang out with me for awhile.
      Do some laundry, eat some food, sleep in a bed, shower and all that stuff. ❀️

    • Ann B Watson

      Thank you tigger for sharing your journey and telling your story. May you travel safe and travel well and find all you desire. I will support all you do and send you love.❀️

  • PJK

    Finally was able to see the special and it was amazingly well done. As I predicted its running time was 1h27m, but that’s fine by me. I loved the fact that Leah and Mike tackled the issue of the source of all the problems in Scientology head on: one L. Ron Hubbard!

    I felt that that part needed to be said after the excellent first season, which dealt with the fall-out of the policies that LRH put in place. Personally I missed this in the first season and I’m glad that this special added this aspect of the story of Scientology.

    This special squarely puts front and center that it is the twisted mind of LRH that is the cause of all the vile and obnoxious things that Scientology gets up to (except for the parts where the twisted mind of David Miscavige added its own special brand of nastiness).

    I hope that this will serve as an eye opener to those who still believe that LRH was a good person.

  • Spacer

    Leah Remini – Scientology and the Aftermath is showing in South Africa now. We’re on the sixth episode now. Leah is a genius, setting it up as she has.

    Here’s hoping she’s in for an award for Best Documentary this year. She definitely qualifies.

  • MΓ³csai Orsolya

    Is the show available on youtube pr anywhere ont the net? A&E does not show here in Hungary and I also don’t pay for cabl TV πŸ™‚

    • Sine qua non

      Someone below mentioned it’s on rutube now. Apparently that’s just like youtube only based in Russia. You might also check Amazon.com