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Nan McLean in 1973: Rare Scientology documentary goes online, and it rocks

 
Thank you to the Canadian tipster who let us know that the W5 television program recently posted one of its all-time gems, a 1973 documentary about Scientology that featured one of our favorite old-school critics, former church member Nan McLean and her family.

We featured Nan in our book about Paulette Cooper, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, because her story was intertwined with Paulette’s — in the early 1970s, as they will tell you, there was almost no one else who was called on regularly to talk to news organizations about Scientology, and both of them paid for it dearly.

This particular program is especially good because it catches Nan at an early moment in her move away from the church. Her own daughter calls her out, saying that she can’t admit that she had simply been duped. Nan argues that in fact she still believed that there was good in Scientology and that she had not been duped.

We called her up last night, and she told us she remembers the program well, and she also remembers those arguments with her daughter.

“It took me a long time before I abandoned the idea that the tech was OK. But I was stupid,” she says now in her typical blunt style. (She’s 93 and still sharp as a tack.)

We told her that the same argument among ex-Scientologists, whether they had been taken advantage of by a charlatan, or whether L. Ron Hubbard had made actual discoveries about the human mind that were beneficial and that were overwhelmed by bad policies (and whether that was the fault of Hubbard or his successor) continue to roll on endlessly, but today it happens in groups on Facebook and in online forums.

“I know that. This has been going on always,” Nan says. “It is no different today than it was in the beginning. But I think it’s important that people like Leah Remini, in her show, go back to the beginning to see where this all came from. It’s L. Ron Hubbard every bit as it is David Miscavige.”

At the end of the program, W5 brought on Scientology spokesman Bryan Levman, who was typically disastrous. All in all, it’s a wonderful program, and we’re glad it’s back online.

 

 
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Science Doc visits the Scientology Temecula mission

Science Doc is on the case in Temecula…

Last Wednesday, the Bunker’s poet laureate, Panopea Abrupta, revealed that the Scientology Mission in Temecula, California was in a dentist’s office on Margarita Rd. This immediately caught my attention because on the following day I had an appointment in Temecula very close to this location.

I rolled out of the Country House a little early and in due course found myself in front of the Temecula Scientology Mission in a nice strip mall I’ve only driven past a hundred times. Of course I imagined a lot of Scientology certificates on the wall and “Way to Happiness” booklets with a smiling tooth or some such on the cover.

 

 
I walked in to find a clean, professional, and crowded waiting room with a portrait of the Dentist’s daughters on the wall and one of the daughters (apparently) behind the reception desk. I asked for a brochure, and she had to go into a back room to get one. While she was gone I scanned the waiting room and at first found no Scientology Dissemination Tech at work. But at the last moment, backed into a corner on a side table, I found a big stack of Scientology front group Drug Free World’s “The Truth About Marijuana,” a choice piece of work I only just had the pleasure to read. The receptionist returned with my brochure; I thanked her and left with no judgment or opinion of the dental practice. But, as a Mission disseminating Scientology and Dianetics, the place is clearly ready to be carried away by the Tooth Fairy.

Later I quickly assessed Scientology’s anti-marijuana screed, which I found much more interesting. Full Disclosure: I use prescribed medical cannabis products almost daily to manage chronic pain, spasticity from spinal cord injury, and resultant difficulty in sleeping. “The Truth About Marijuana” contains few if any outright lies. It could be called a masterpiece of half-truths, out of context truths, misleading statements, vague fear mongering, and other soft tools of our alt-fact world.

 

 
Let me focus on a single page of this screed in which Scientology presents a sort of aspirational definition of what a medicine is in order to claim that medicinal cannabis is not a medicine. In this definition, a medicine must (ideally) be extracted in pure form for precise dosing. This is the sort of straw man definition you might see in week one of a first year pharmaceutical science course before the instructor knocks it down. By this definition almost no nutraceuticals, including several I’ve been prescribed, could be called medicines, and even aspirin tech might not have progressed from chewing willow bark, which is unfortunately where the arbitrary Schedule 1 listing left cannabis until recently. In point of fact, some cannabis products are available in chemically pure form with controlled dosing, which the Scientology screed partially acknowledges for the case of CBD.

How does Scientology’s assessment of the medicinal value of cannabis compare with the mainstream assessment? As a Science Doc perhaps I can be excused if I defer to the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine, who jointly issued a draft report on the health effect of cannabis in January of this year. I will quote one finding summary, and maybe you can deduce from it where I believe the truth to more closely lie.

 

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Oh look. They put Joy Villa in charge of something: “Community of Active and United Scientologists Everywhere”

 


 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,730 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,833 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,327 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,367 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,079 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 605 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,694 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,834 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,154 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,129 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 485 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,787 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 894 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,296 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,169 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 750 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,255 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,499 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,608 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on April 24, 2017 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • nottrue
    • FredEX2

      LOL

    • Observer

      Not me! I mean, I didn’t want him IN the White House.

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      If only, I’d just settle for him taking 3 months off of Twitter.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Ooh, look! Two of my least favorite clams…
    https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/855913599386177537/photo/1

    Is Alfreddie still working that World Literacy Crusade angle, because if so…
    https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/856466588748402688

    • Observer

      “Magestic”?

      • WhiteCentauress

        I noticed that, too. Maybe it’s Mage-stic, Kirstie’s magic wand?

        • daisy

          SMH – this group touts study tech and cannot even master basic spelling and grammar .

    • daisy

      Magestic , is that your new size ? ( yes I know she does look good , but she is still a clam promoter and It is the only insult I can think of. She usually gives me more to work with )

      • Observer

        Jinx!

    • Jimmy3

      Is she wearing a night gown?

      • flyonthewall

        you wish! Ugh-ugh-ugh

        • flyonthewall

          that was my humping sounds

          • Jimmy3

            Oh. I thought you were coughing.

        • Jimmy3

          Yeah, I wish she was asleep so I didn’t have to hear from her.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, she has a thing for puka shells…

        • WhiteCentauress

          Maybe she has a thing for Alfreddie.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • WhiteCentauress

      “Magestic” Faults Data…..

      Edited to say: You find the BEST stuff!!!

    • Liberated

      I first thought she was going to study fault lines in the tectonic plates.
      Maybe take a course in spelling first.

  • WhiteCentauress

    That caption thing was fun yesterday. I’m not good at captions, so feel free to suggest one.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/90d377ef4c4577add2133915fcf09fc982444e63002495b40ebf960cba9f9737.jpg

    • daisy

      I should go on a better diet. I have been eating crap

      • daisy

        Can I have a touch assist ?

        • daisy

          Who do I see about this heart burn ? Is there a dentist or chiropractor around ?

    • flyonthewall

      O.O nice!

    • Observer

      You are good! (not a caption)

      • WhiteCentauress

        That means so much coming from you…..

    • daisy

      Oh now I see why they say I am cracked .

    • Rasha

      This should be shooped into something unrealistic.

    • Jimmy3

      Ahhh. So this is where his constipation engram story originated.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Stop it, Xenu…STOP!!!

    • WhiteCentauress

      These are all so funny, and I’m actually laughing out loud. I finally thought of one based on his teachings

      “Birth of Dianetics”. (It was NOT a “silent birth”.)

      • daisy

        Yeah you know that son of a bitch cried and screamed whenever he had a hard shit .

    • Missionary Kid

      Kinda like a beached dead whale that all the pressure builds up in, then it explodes, sending blood and guts all over the place.

      WARNING: DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO, “The exploding Whale Compilation.” ON YOUTUBE IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY BLOOD AND GUTS. I’m not providing a link to it on purpose. I can be disgisting, but not so disgusting as to subject all of you to the videos.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Nice try but I’d step on a crack and break my mother’s back before I’d send a loved one to this quacker factory.
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fb653f8d5caf933451e236ea993bbc4ac249a135afc7014d4b09d3ac0f5a86c.png

    • WhiteCentauress

      Do you think after 4/20, that anyone will fall for it?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Only other deluded $cientologists. This clam is probably fishing for a 10% commission. IDK but I doubt that these assists are actually “free”.

        • flyonthewall

          get them in for the free touch assist and then you lift their wallet

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Yep, nothing brings on back pain like a wallet full of cash. Luckily, the CO$ has the perfect remedy for that :O

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hmmm, I’ve had this erection lasting more than four hours and it IS starting to cause me some discomfort…wonder if $cn assists can do something about THAT!!?

      • daisy

        Depending on where they do a touch assist , I think they can.

  • Observer
    • WhiteCentauress

      They use the word “Ecclesiastical” and “Religious” way, way too much. It’s just so obvious what they’re trying to do. (To everyone but them, I guess.)

  • Nan is and was the most extraordinary woman. Talking to her almost every day during the frame-up period (1973) helped me keep my sanity. That she knew that I was telling the truth and that Scientology had framed me was very supportive. I became very close with her and her family and used to go up there at Christmas for many years…

    • daisy

      Sometimes all it takes is one great friend to assure you that you are not crazy. I am so glad she was there for you.

      • Liberated

        Yeah I know…I’m still waiting.

        • daisy

          You are the good kind of crazy .

    • Jimmy3

      You know some guy wrote a book about you? It was pretty good.

    • FredEX2

      I’m glad she was there for you Paulette. YOU and your courage were my lifeline and helped me keep strong too. Knowing your story helped me be prepared for their tactics and learn what ‘Fair Game’ even was. I’ll never forget when the OSA agent ( who I didn’t know was a Scientologist or even what OSA was at the time ) ~ asked me if I had “ever heard of Paulette Cooper?”…I shook my head then…not even knowing why he mentioned that….but I remembered your name much later…after I found out he was a Scientologist sent to be my boyfriend to keep tabs on me at the time…( and more ), ~such as others ‘befriending’ me, and then doing everything to damage my reputation and discredit me to family & friends…and anyone who might believe me and write a story. I never knew people could be so deliberately evil…its been a life changing and devastating experience with many things that happened similar to what was done to you.

      I read your story later and started keeping the names of those who came into my life and identifying them as Scientologists…and it helped me connect the dots…Nan is a wonderful person…very brave in a time when most didn’t know about Scientology’s dastardly destructive deeds…but YOU are my Heroine…and tho we’ve never met…you were a lifeline that saved my life and helped me survive. I always wanted to tell you that. Glad to be able to say so to you here on the Bunker today. ❤️

      FredEX2

      • I’m sorry they hurt you … and so many others. So, they used the old “boyfriend” trick with you too. Disgusting. Ten years after my “spy,” “Jerry Levin,” they were still trying to fix me up through my mother, having another mother befriend her at her beauty parlor and try to fix me up with her son… who was surely not her son and was surely a Scientologist. .

        • FredEX2

          Yes, they tried that type of thing again too…but by then I was aware and started to catch on…and catch them. For instance, a guy dressed up as a priest came to pay me a ‘visit’…still have the business card he handed me with one side for ‘Mutual Funds’…and the other side for ‘Life Insurance’…and he asked me to carefully contemplate which one I would need…and ‘watch what I say’…and ‘things will be okay’…and they also had some guy working at the Hospital where I was volunteering twice a week. When I noticed he was only there on the same days that I was…and he had tried to ‘befriend’ me repeatedly…I confronted him and told I knew what he was and who sent him…he followed me across the entire Hospital campus when I finished my shift and tried to walk me back home…all the while literally begging me not to tell. I called the OSA in New York that seemed ‘in charge’ and reported that he blew his cover…needless to say…he never was seen again there…or anywhere…

          Another time they had the long time caretaker and concierge of my apartment building replaced with a Scientologist from Boston…who had worked there…and had all the keys to the apartments…including mine…until he revealed who he really was by confessing he’d had auditing in a random conversation with some other guy on the steps of my building that I overheard in passing…then realizing what he’d done when he saw me stop and saw the look of sudden recognition on my face he turned all shades of red…and by the next morning…suddenly ‘disappeared’ from his position too…never to be seen again. At least not there. There’s so much more…with so many details and names…and I’ve been told ‘no one will believe you’…and when they realized people do believe it…then I’ve been threatened about all sorts of ‘bad things that could happen’…and told that no one would even ‘care’ or be interested in this story…and they’ve tried to convince others around me…whispering the usual things they say about everyone who is…or may expose them…you know this stuff well I’m sure…Calling me ‘crazy’ ‘a liar’…a ‘bad’ person, etc.

          • Wow — when was this? You’d think they’d learn. Most of their spys are so bad you can see right through them — as you did — so you let your guard down thinking you can spot them easily. But then someone comes along who is REALLY good like “Jerry Levin” and you don’t suspect them. Alas

            • FredEX2

              I think they perfected their skills on you Paulette. Some were easier to figure out once I knew what was going on…but before I knew anything about CofS, OSA or their Fair Game policy…I didn’t know what was going on. Thought it might be random incidents or have something to do with someone and something else, I used to joke about karma…and perhaps I’d done something wrong in a ‘past life’ somehow…tho I don’t believe in ‘past lives’…~Just knew that bad things kept happening… ~and there were some rude hurtful people that somehow kept coming into our lives…but I didn’t know from where…or why …until I remembered what the OSA agent asked me from before…’Have you ever heard of Paulette Cooper?’…thank you for braving the storm of unimaginable evil before me…you were a beacon of light…and your story revealed the truth of mine…it helped me know the Evil I faced and learn their tactics…it made it easier for me to catch them and document…and because you survived such horrific things…I was determined to survive it too .❤️

    • Harpoona Frittata

      So glad that you both survived and thrived, despite the cult’s best efforts to destroy you. Thanks so much for all that you’ve done and continue to do in bringing this killer cult’s reign of terror to an end…long may you run!

    • Ann B Watson

      I so admire your strength, courage and grace Paulette. I was not fortunate enough to know Nan, but what you write about her sounded so true for me. I joined The Sea Org at Asho F in 74- and blew in 78 after a year and one half of GO/I very bad actions. When I read Tony’s book I realized all the pain and scars I carried from my Sea Org years, was nothing compared to what you and others have endured from what I now firmly consider an evil cult. And to think at 22 I wanted to die a Sea Org Member. Thank you for your story. 💛💛

      • glad you came to your senses!
        Paulette

        • Ann B Watson

          Thank you from my heart Paulette. I was not sure my own senses were still mine, but yes they were & here we both are! With great respect & 😘

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      A guess it is a day for apologies. Sorry Paulette. I really had no idea I was doing my part in making your life so miserable. I can’t even be sure I had heard your name in the 70’s as I was struggling to go up the bridge while my parents were on your side trying to expose the truth of scientology. I knew not, too blinded, to know what I was doing althought I was sure, just as Nan had been that scientology had the truth.. I am so glad you made it through.

      • and happy now — because I try to think about those days as little as possible. The people who hurt me all thought they were doing it to save the world, and, as you imply were ultimately hurting themselves in the process.

  • Observer
    • WhiteCentauress

      It’s almost like the Sunday Funnies…what a good day.

      Funniest word….”Scriptures”

      • Observer

        I like “wherehows”.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “Mr Miscavige announced…the most monumental achievement in the history of the religion – completion of the 25-year program to…”

      How do faithful Scientologists not baulk at this? The greatest achievement in the history of Scientology belongs to David Miscavige, not LRH?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Sure, all of the “wherefores and wherehows of application” are included, but what about all the wherewhos and wherewhats that are sure to be involved there too?

    • Shivani33

      Well, the subliminal message in the photo is “I’m a dickhead.” I rewrote da scripchers. Fixed ’em. Illiterate fartbag.

    • Missionary Kid

      Davy & LRON: two wasted lives that have dragged others with them into the downward spiral.

  • daisy

    W5 is one of the best news magazines out there. They have exposed many a scam here in Canada.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Uh-oh! It sounds like someone is going to be disconnected… Thank you LRH!
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/50caceed7c2ebc9f11f0430ef0fbe006e32f6d9518d2ac67cd68bf3fc0d065f3.png

    • Observer

      They’re probably better off being disconnected, unless it’s a family member..

      • OOkpik

        Family members are not permitted to be family even in Scientology. IMHO, you have a better chance of shaking them loose from the outside. Family members may even be harboring dreams of leaving, themselves, and don’t because they don’t want to leave you behind.

    • If you know WHO the person is then why the F#@$ do you need to do the course? Just disconnect their ass, and when you still aren’t doing well find the next person to disconnect from. Eventually Scientology will disconnect from you when you run out of money and you’ll find true happiness.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        There ya go, Phil. When I told them long ago on that course it came to Lron,, of course they wouldn’t take it. So I made up some sh*t.
        Edit: so I could get the heck out of there.

        • Ha! I once made the mistake of naming an executive in the GO. That didn’t go over very well.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Know what you mean. After my mission no name would satisfy, and it all led to LRon.

    • Shivani33

      Is that an exploding bacon badge? Do you get to wear it after you’ve kicked a certain number of people out of your life?

    • abdaman

      All your problems in life are caused by other people. That’ll be $1000 please.

      IW I’m really impressed with all the stuff you find and post to the comments section. I always read knowing you will have posts from everyday scylons in the comments. Just wanted to let you know I thumbs up you, lol. Are you friends with all of these people on social media? It really demonstrates the headspace of your average clam which isn’t something you get from most COS media reports. Random internet shoop for your viewing pleasure: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c635b44ca14ea69cef3d34c57c03954816180c97d627091d289698df896eb98c.png

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        You would not believe the stuff that they post. I like to keep it somewhat light so most of what I find, I’d never post here, including a lot of really sad, sad stuff. Social media confirms that the CO$ is a beehive of crazy.

        • daisy

          I do not think we thank you enough for these finds . I always enjoy them.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      On my OP, LRH is the big SP in the sky and they follow him by his words, therefore they are all PTS. But they can’t see that (yet).

    • Harpoona Frittata

      From the “Depth of Cult Derangement Self-Assessment Tool,” question #6: “Do you (circle one) often, occasionally, seldom or never promote and enthuse about $cn courses that you’ve not yet started as if you’d already completed them?”

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Observer

      I bet he was a jackass even when he was stoned.

      • Jimmy3

        Probably took a lot to get him stoned with that giant, empty head of his.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Meanwhile he lost his heart in the cult.

          • Missionary Kid

            Unfortunately, Grant Cardone’s heart, if it exists, is attached to his asshole.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        He went from one addiction to another. Many people with OCD/bi-polar disorder like to self-medicate. That is about the only population that the CO$ still appeals to nowadays. “The psyches are wrong, there is no such thing as your diagnosed mental condition and only we can help you!”

    • Science Doc

      Well. No one should benefit from using marijuana unless they have a medical condition that is certain or likely to benefit from it, and that rules out most people in their 20s. Grant Cardone has more money than I do, but I didn’t have any interest in making money until about the time I started cannabis, as it was apparent that I would have to retire, and then I made a lot of it.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i’m gonna call bullshit on this one . a person does not need to have a spinal cord injury or suffer from chronic pain , to benefit from pot ( medicinal or otherwise ) Men might not think that cramps and horrible periods count as a ” medical condition” , but it is . Same with anxiety , or a bunch of other things . The fact that you suffer from a medical condition that people give a shit about …does not mean that the rest of us have to sit around and wait for others to care about what we are going through .

        love ya
        Kim

        • Jimmy3

          I only up voted because 20somethings are so annoying about pot. They shouldn’t smoke.

        • Science Doc

          No one said that. In fact spinal cord injuries don’t cause pain, they cause spasticity. Chronic pain for any reason is the most evidence supported rationale for medical cannabis.

        • FredEX2

          Chester cares…and wants you to know he will be there for the party…erm…HowdyCon…

          He has https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a3e80017cfb676833312c20f13fe61cee920868806f4c888e671f65eb0f76e98.jpg medicine card…will travel. 😉

          • WhiteCentauress

            I had a red dachshund long ago. They are one of my three favorite dogs to have as animal companions. Her bark was so deep that people who came to the door often asked if that loud bark came out of that little dog. Very deep chest that almost dragged the ground. My Chihuahua that I have now just yips. She’s so sweet though.

          • daisy

            I adore you Fred !

            • FredEX2

              😘 xo

    • abdaman

      His success went sky high. He moved from his mother’s basement to her spare room over the garage.

    • daisy

      If he is an example of sober success , now I know to smoke more .

  • The Downward Spiral of Scientology with Tony Ortega. (James L. Paris interview.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFt7Lcz2h0

  • PODCAST: Tony Ortega – Scientology Watchdog, via Unimaginary Friendcast

    http://unimaginaryfriendcast.libsyn.com/tony-ortega-scientology-watchdog

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    • Science Doc

      Hi. You’re not an indie. Got it now.

      • Thanks. I didn’t realize my name could cause confusion until recently. I think I may add a small disclaimer when I cross-post news about “Independent Scientology.”

        • WhiteCentauress

          I thought you were “Indie” by the name, but doubted it because of your posts. It is confusing though.

          • Jimmy3

            Yeah, but I’ve always doubted you’re actually a horse-woman.

            • WhiteCentauress

              Check out my new avatar. I believe you’re a blurry three leaf clover. Why do you doubt me?

          • flyonthewall

            is it bestiality if a human has sex with a centaur? Asking for a friend

            • Jimmy3

              Tell Jenna to ask her own damn questions.

            • flyonthewall

              I’m not friends with Jenna Elfman. What kind of company do you think I keep?? I am offended

            • Jimmy3

              I’m sorry. But you were just asking about beastiality as it relates to centaur bangin’. I didn’t think you’d get offended so easily.

            • flyonthewall

              eyyyy, fuhgetaboutit!

              I think I know the answer anyway. It just depends on which half you have sex with. Makes sense.

            • WhiteCentauress
            • Missionary Kid

              Q. What is “Clip clop, clip clop, clip clop, bang bang, clip clop?
              A. An Amish drive-by.

            • WhiteCentauress

              That reminds me of this dumbest criminal episode where this guy tried to make his escape on a tractor. Top speed on those is about thirty mph. Took them about thirty seconds to catch him.

            • Missionary Kid

              That reminds me of driving a tractor on a farm. They were faster than the Belgian Mare my cousins used to put hay in the barn, but not by much.

              How did they stop him? I don’t think that the spike strips would have worked too well.

            • WhiteCentauress

              Pulled in front of him, I think. Tractors usually have small front wheels and huge back wheels, so he probably couldn’t just drive over them.

            • Intergalactic Walrus
            • flyonthewall

              🙂 smh. Very nice

            • EmmaDaoust

              ohh neigh neigh

            • WhiteCentauress

              Love the fan…😂💦

            • Missionary Kid

              You really like to horse around, don’t you?

            • WhiteCentauress

              Of course, of course….

            • Missionary Kid

              But you’re not Mr. Ed. Maybe Ms. Ed?

            • WhiteCentauress

              My husband’s name was Ed. He got kidded a lot. In a way, I was Mrs. Ed. 😂

            • Missionary Kid

              At least, you’re not named Wilbur.

            • WhiteCentauress

              LOL

            • WhiteCentauress

              I just love centaur art however, so not changing. Tease me if you must.

            • Missionary Kid

              She has a thing for MALE horses.

        • Missionary Kid

          Independent News of Scientology would be better, perhaps.

  • Science Doc

    It’s time for adult beverages on the west coast. See you in the morning.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Tschüss, Doc!

  • finally had a chance to watch the vid. powerful stuff.

    classic comedy goldmine toward the end –

    twitchy Scientologist: “Nine million Scientologists can deny the allegations you made but I notice you don’t have even one on your show.”

    host: “Are there nine million Scientologists?”

    twitchy: “Yes, there are.”

    i rest my case.

  • VIDEO: Discussion between Nation of Islam members John Muhammad, Rizza Islam and Sister Nayyirah Muhammad about Scientology begins at about 22:00. [EDITED TO ADD: As flyonthewall notes below, the discussion actually starts at about 16:50 from the first mention of Dianetics. I was trying to save you time, but do start at 16:50 for the full discussion.]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTrcdOb6yxw

  • HTC

    Joy Villa is like a pesky (and obnoxious cockroach) the more you stomp on her she just keeps popping back up. That and she totally creeps me out

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • Bob Crouch

    Putting Joy Villa in charge of something, anything, reminds me of the famous “15 minutes of fame” Warhol quip. Except for the fact that given the scarcity of remaining scientologists, 15 minutes is probably not enough to cover the nut.

    Which in turn reminds me of a woman from TX who told me she was from a TX town so small, they did not even have a village idiot. They all had to take turns. So here’s Joy’s turn then…

    • Good line.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve heard that line before, and it’s still a good one.

      • Bob Crouch

        Perhaps “15 minutes of lame” is more appropriate here then.

        • Missionary Kid

          I haven’t heard that one before.

      • daisy

        One expression my dad used to use was – every group has an asshole and if you do not think so – you are it . It was one of my favorites .

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Phil mentioned Larry Evoy of the band Edward Bear earlier. Here is a CO$ ad from Rolling Stone that featured him. Also his shout-out to $cientology. The video is their biggest hit in the US “Last Song”.
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6c846a2236f483e8c37b15dd7134bcbd6707e42d8049871e54d3a879727b821.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6414868730e89b49f63cc4829ddebba97d2850eb31c01b9eeffab0048afa4ec8.jpg

    https://youtu.be/hNowpI2XfVc

    • Hermesacat

      Scientology ads with that same pic of Larry Evoy as poster boy were often seen in a variety of mags in the 1970s, as I recall. At Edward Bear gigs he’d reportedly sometimes proselytize from the stage, and sing the praises of Scientology in between songs. I think I read a quote from him from later years where he said he’d left the church. In the 1970s, Scientology likely wished they had a more high-profile rock poster boy than Evoy who was not exactly an A-list rock star.

      • Sherbet

        Wiki said he left the church.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Coincidently, a few weeks ago when I first saw that ad I looked him up. IIRC he even sued the CO$ after leaving it.

          • Sherbet

            Good for him!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Can you imagine the shit that would rain down on Beck if he appeared in a CO$ ad in Rolling Stone today?

    • sizzle8
      • Sherbet

        Al DiMeola disappointed me when I found out he was in. I don’t know if he still is.

        • sizzle8

          He left in the 70’s I believe. Was never deeply into it.

          This is from an interview he gave,

          “In 1976, Return to Forever recorded the third and last album: “Romantic Warrior.” Could the band have gone on longer?

          Oh, god. Yes. C’mon, this band should have never, ever broken up. It was the biggest mistake Chick ever made.

          Why did the band break up?

          I blame a lot of it on Scientology. It’s a really fucked up religion and the poor guy got caught up in it. It’s a shame because here’s a band that should have had a minimum of 10 more records further developed after “Romantic Warrior” without a problem then 40 years went by. We could have had at least 10 more landmark records.

          That really is tragic.

          But we were dealing with Scientology and the heavily religious ideology that Chick was obsessed with much to his detriment and the fans too. His ego was out of control and it’s just a shame. I give credit where credit’s due.”

          https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/an_interview_with_guitar_legend_al_di_meola_-_part_1.html

          • Sherbet

            That makes me feel much better, sizzle.

          • Gus Cox

            I had read that article before and I recommend it highly – check it out. DiMeola fills in huge amounts of backstory on Return To Forever. Great interview.

          • Sine qua non

            So glad to know Al DiMeola left. I remember loving his music, too.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Did the only clam in Alabama leave the CO$? Lotsa luck getting rid of that crap!
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/898a428e8e243bf9e692ef4b3907abfc9575d415d985bff98c0ccd37dbdd5bcd.png

    • Missionary Kid

      Overpriced at $.01 each.

  • Ann B Watson

    Oh Joy! Would you believe Edward Bear’s records were played constantly over the PA system at night in the Letter Reg section.Asho F. 1974 I would put on the Incredible String Band & feel better. Thank you for refreshing my memory.❤️

    • Larry Evoy (Edward Bear) was a student in my Academy at the Toronto Org.

      • Ann B Watson

        Phil that is amazing. I wrote him as Letter Reg and he me back a bunch of times. It was not that I disliked Edward B. I just heard them so much I knew every word to all their songs. Hugs to you & Willie..😘

    • Robert Eckert

      I liked the Incredible String Band back in the day. I didn’t know anything about their connections then, of course.

      • Ann B Watson

        Here is a poignant memory. I went to Britain in 66 & 72. I found I loved all the music coming from across the pond. So I discovered ISB. And Liki’s voice transfixed me. So in 1974 I joined SO @ Asho F after reading DMSMH & listening to ISB. When I was given the dreaded Letter Reg post, in I dove & it was made for me. I really tore through CF & learned from some great previous Letter regges too. I decided to write Liki & tell her that I had joined SO etc. She wrote me back and we had a wonderful comm for awhile. Fast forward to late 75 because I had been promoted to Advance Scheduling Reg & that was where I really had to pull in the $. On that post I had to assemble all the SHSBC packs & get full payment and get bodies here & get them on course or in session. I was also holding Letter Reg from above so it was crazy. There was a big Flag Reg event at one of the auditoriums in Hollywood & I of course was to go. I had on my polyester long dark blue skirt, satin light blue blouse and the blue sparkly eye shadow etc.
        I got put with a South American Millionaire & actually got a check out of him. So after that I was told I could take a ten minute break I went into this long, green painted corridor to lean against the wall for a few minutes, when I heard footsteps behind me. I turned and there was Liki coming down the ramp with her now ex husband Brian, love to him today. And I said Liki it is Ann Bailey my maiden name. Before I could move she gathered my up in a huge hug and said, This is my little Sea Org music Thetan because she listened to the album Earthspan which does have a small photo of Ron on the cover & she joined The SO. She twirled around blew me a kiss & was gone. I will never forget her lovely clothes and hair and her essence was incredible. It was like watching a musical note come to life and touch my heart immediately.
        Years later in fact in 2014 Brian & I posted each other and I learned the terrible tradgedy of her time on OT III & how the cult treated as Brian said I’m paraphrasing here, one of the most amazing recruiters for COS through her music in the late 60s- early 70s. I will not go into details of her passing, except to say in my mind her sad death is another murder on the cult’s hands. There is no way any group calling itself a religion or church should ever ever treat members or newbies or anyone the way this cruel cult does. Did it then, doing it now.It breaks my heart how many lives COS disposes of, ” quietly & without sorrow”That is one of the reasons why I will never stop trying to help the cult implode. Too many lives have been cut short. Thank you Robert I enjoy your posts. 💔

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I watched the W5 episode. It took courage for those people to put it together. I could go over it clause by clause but it is enough to say that for people who were never involved in Scientology the producers had the right idea.

    There is one other show I would love to see. It was on CHCH TV in Hamilton, Ontario and called, “Under Attack” and I can’t find one word about it on the internet. The idea was a blight on society in human form would be introduced, then three students from McMaster University (as I recall) would go at him asking questions to expose him for the piece of filth they knew him to be. Then there would be more embarrassing questions from the audience.

    Once Bryan Levman was on. I remember watching the Scientology plants in the audience lob softballs at him in the final stage of the show. Except for that he came off as a loathsome skunk. And you really got an impression of the way the public viewed Scientology when you watched it. I wonder if it even exists anymore.

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      There are a few pages that talk about the show Under Attack but not much, I wish I could have seen that episode.
      There is this but the episode guide is sadly incomplete and there doesn’t seem to be any IMDB reference.
      http://www.tvarchive.ca/database/18904/under_attack/details/

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Nice try, Joe. Thank you.

    • daisy

      I always enjoy it when you come on the late shift . You must be pulling a double today.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Hi, Daisy. Thanks for your kind comment. I just wish I had time yesterday to sift through everything on that W5 show.

        • daisy

          They run all of them on Rogers On Demand

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Pardon me, Daisy. Do you mean they run all the Under Attacks on Rogers on Demand?

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • daisy

    I have read and skimmed the comments but discus is being a dick so I was unable to upvote some of my bunk mates. Sincerest apologies . Hopefully it will get its act together tomorrow.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Oh that excuse again, eh? Can’t you be a little more imaginative, daisy? tsk tsk

      • daisy

        Well it is better than my usual upvote and then read the post. I have had to take away troll upvotes many a time. I actually like most posts so I usually do not have to correct . I have been called out on my lack of imagination many a time . * hangs head and shuffle feet in shame * It is a catch 22 because I cannot imagine how to solve the problem .

        • EmmaDaoust

          I tried upvoting all the comments on a 2500 comment day and my carpal tunnel kicked in. Now I rarely do the upvote thing when I pop in – that’s my excuse. Upvotes for everybody!

      • FredEX2

        The dog ate my upvotes? Does that work? 🙂

  • Gib

    What a great docu. It’s amazing how history repeats itself with Nan feeling the tech good. Just look at Alanzo’s blog for an example and Andy Nolch. And of course the Indies and Freezone in the present.

    In the Heinlein/Campbell letters, before the release of Dianetics, Heinlein was interested but he never could get proof from both Campbell and Hubbard about this Clear thing. Korbyski even checked it out and thought Hubbard was becoming his own imagination as a writer. And further on in time, Burroughs even said there is something to Scientology but it not quite right with Hubbard’s authoritative set-up. There must be something good there, LOL.

    Gib, the ex ex ex ex ex scientologists, LOL

  • daisy

    Kinda on topic for a change ( not really but closer than usual ) My mom got scammed by an outfit claiming they were from Ontario Energy . They target the elderly into buying and then renting a furnace . We were lucky not to have paid the bill yet. W5 did an expose on them . I got in touch with the lawyer featured on the program. We are now part of a class action suit.

    • Jimmy3

      Ugh, you get scammed and YOU have to go back to school? That sucks

      • Sherbet

        No, no. She has a classy action suit, you know, something she wears to work out.

        • Jimmy3

          Oh ok. That makes more sense.

          • Sherbet

            Exactly.

        • daisy

          What is this term * work out * of which you speak ?

          • Sherbet

            When the batteries in the remote are dead, you have to walk to the set to change channels, right?

            • EmmaDaoust

              Sherbet, you are the funniest person. After daisy of course.

            • daisy

              I cannot lick Sherbets shoes. I still laugh at some of the lines she has said. My all time favorite is when she asked – You are not a weepy drunk are you.? I like Howdy*s story about Sherb handing out pencils at Halloween . She will correct you and say there were Halloween pencils and erasers too. ( as if that makes a difference ) She is one of those people blessed with wit and intellect. Thank you for considering me in her league , but I know my place.

            • Sherbet

              Wow, thanks.

              (And they were.)

            • EmmaDaoust

              Lick Sherbet and you’ll get ice cream headache.

            • daisy

              LOL

            • Sherbet

              Thank you. Daisy and I play well with others.

        • Not like the one Jimmy wears, a paternity suit I believe.

          • daisy

            giggle -No pun goes unpunished with you Phil

          • Sherbet

            That resulted in Jimmy4.

            • Jimmy3

              None of this was ever proven and I don’t even know what a bench warrant is. It sounds made up.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Sounds made up, indeed. Just like Diarrhea-netics!

              Oh, and a bench warrant is a situation when a bench is warranted, like @ a bus stop.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Bastards! You must have been so furious, Daisy. These people sicken me.

      • daisy

        I was. We got them in court because mom cannot sign I am her legal surrogate and did not sign the contract. However they put a lien on the house. Our own lawyer is suing to remove it . The lawyer from the probram is suing to put another in cause the one they put in was shit . Bastard is one only one of several words I use to call them. Thank you for support.

  • Harpoona Frittata

    I’m right in the middle of watching the W5 vid, where the 12 points of Nan McLean’s Declare order are being read. One of the stated reasons for her expulsion was “snarling at justice”…I just loved that one!

    eta: Bryan Levman, world-class douchebag! No wonder $cn officials have learned never to appear on cam in interviews! Love how the interviewer kept his TRs in and kept trying to get his questions answered, right to the end.

    • EmmaDaoust

      That’d make a good book or film title.

  • ReallyMGM

    What a blonde moment I had today! There I was with my neck hurting like crazy, sitting in front of a Scientology “IDEAL SPINE SPECIALIST” and I didn’t go in that office for help??? What was I thinking???

    (Getting the hell out of there!)

    ETA: It is best Mr.MGM never knows about this.

    • Golden Age of Traction. GAT.

    • Missionary Kid

      You were thinking clearly!

      • ReallyMGM

        Yay me!

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    This old W5 program, from 1973!!!!!… it makes me glad to be a Canadian.

    • Missionary Kid

      More to be glad about, eh? You may have had some bad Prime Ministers, but none so bad as the golden idiot we’re stuck with for 4 years, or until he get impeached.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    I applaud the brother (John) for admitting he was straight-up duped. I’m glad Nan realized it later on. Any benefit they gained was in spite of, not because of, $cientology.

  • Shivani33

    Billy Preston sang a song called “Nothing from Nothing” (leaves nothing.) I hear it while reading about Miscavige redacting and transcribing Hubbard. I saw Billy at the Concert for Bangladesh. Whatta man!

    By the way, Paramahansa Yogananda wrote that, without an enlightened person to take over once a master dies, within fifty years, the entire teaching turns corrupt and becomes nearly the opposite of what was originally being taught. Yup. Sure enough. Nobody in Self -Realization Fellowship might want to remember, but even Yogananda’s words have been changed, to say the least. Homogenized.

    But when you start with Hubbard and then enter Miscavigeland, Billy Preston sings what I hear. Nothing from nothing. Jabberwocky.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Ok, I just finished watching the whole video. That representative for $cientology……
    Is “Asshattery” a word? If not, may I petition Webster’s?
    I mean, if “Reaganomics” can be a word, well, I’m just saying.

    “Ass-Millinery” is cool, too.

  • Being Captain Obvious here, but if J.Lo’s Dad have had enough of scientology’s b.s., 100% out and is really vocal about it, Season 2 of Leah’s docu show will.. You can imagine.

    • WhiteCentauress

      Wouldn’t that be amazing.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Yes!!! But from the article I read, he’s not so much “done” w/ it as he is “outta fundz.”

        There’s a difference. But if he’s truly done, how fab would that be!!

        • Juicer77

          One very quickly leads to the other, once the Co$ shows its true motives.

  • WhiteCentauress

    460,000 pieces of Lego alert…. six of my grandkids got to see this today at the Memphis zoo. The peacock was the best, but too big a file to upload.

    http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/new-memphis-zoo-exhibit-features-giant-lego-sculptures/665410939

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/63aa69e192e3b47294e0ed9a1b7ff24d2e231e542ebf4e54659551463377a787.png

  • outraged

    He’s Baaaacckk….

    Let me know if this is old news….I’ll find something else. 😉

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/apr/21/louis-theroux-my-scientology-movie-mark-rathbun
    Wrathful speaks to the press.
    Louis used “intellectually and morally bankrupt tactics“.

  • did we know about this SCAM with Jim Matters? https://naea.today/founder-and-ceo/

    • WhiteCentauress

      Wow….what next?

  • TheMirrorThetan

    O/T
    Thank you to all current and past servicemen and women.
    Please remember our fallen. It is Anzac Day.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f5c3a53bc4f703e52ba82436cb2fd3ba240f88cdde52a35814d5f3a4a8c3e69.jpg

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Thank you, MirrorT., for the reminder.

    • Never ever forget 🙂

  • Newiga

    Good morning, afternoon or evening, Bunkeroos and Lurkerloos. Help yourselves to coffee and caek but steer clear from my corner unless you want to “enjoy” the Nordic spring. F5.

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18058153_903735963100325_1007411837046201860_n.jpg?oh=fe8b0962e4cb9c817e3620f812b0536e&oe=5992FBC7

    • dreamcatcher

      well… it’s April after all….. 😉 just hang in there

      • Newiga

        T_T Thank you… *freezing*

    • April

      April…’tis a silly month.

      • Newiga

        :-*

    • Ann B Watson

      ❤️💘

      • Newiga

        <3 Sending bunker hugs your way, Ann! x

        • Ann B Watson

          Right back to you Big Hugs.😘

  • Missionary Kid

    I TIVO’d a show on North Korea that I’m just watching. The parallels between N.K. and $cientology are there to see. Yes, there are differences, but the control of people by controlling their families and the people around them.

    The privileges enjoyed by the people at the top, and the Potemkin Villiage aspect, and the paranoia of people outside the bubble are common to both NK and $cientology.

  • Missionary Kid

    I don’t know if this has been posted before, but apparently Davy Ratcavige’s Revenge against the aquarium because he lost a bid to get the land in front of the Clearwater City Council shifted to the Pinellas County Comission. The following is from WFLA, Channel 8’s website. http://wfla.com/2017/04/25/you-paid-for-it-scientology-trying-to-kill-26-million-clearwater-aquarium-funding-after-land-sale-dispute/

    Headline: You Paid For It: Scientology loses effort to kill $26 million Clearwater Marine Aquarium funding

    “The Church of Scientology has for the moment at least lost a bid to kill $26 million in public funding for the Clearwater Marine Aquarium. The church made a last minute bid to block tourism tax funding for the aquarium’s expansion one day before Tuesday’s Pinellas County Commission meeting. The church argued that the aquarium is not deserving of public support for a myriad of reasons.”

    “Commissioners essentially ignored the church’s objections at their meeting Tuesday and forwarded the proposal along with other recommended projects to a special committee that will negotiate the details of how that bed tax money is spent The plan will return to the commission for final approval.”

    “The church’s dispute with the aquarium stems from a land purchase dispute involving a dirt parking lot next to Clearwater City Hall. The aquarium recently defied the church by selling that land to the City of Clearwater on April 20 for $4.25 million and rejecting Scientology’s $15 million offer.”
    —————————————————————————————————–
    IMO, this isn’t over, because there are more legislative hurdles to be passed, but Dinky Dave is batting 0 for 2 this week. TICK TOCK, Davy. They’re wise to you.

  • Racnad

    Just got around to watching this. The family argument was a bit painful to watch, having had arguments like that within my own family.