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Bunker reader Dee Findlay stole the show as Clearwater stood up to Scientology last night

 
By now you’ve probably heard that the city of Clearwater is the proud owner of a 1.4-acre parcel of downtown land after its city council voted unanimously to purchase it from an aquarium company and defy the Church of Scientology, which wanted the plot for its own uses.

The parcel sits between City Hall and two of Scientology’s Clearwater landmarks, the Fort Harrison and Oak Cove hotels, where wealthy Scientologists come from around the world to pay for expensive auditing levels they can get nowhere else.

Miscavige said he wanted the plot for a swimming pool for guests at the Oak Cove, which was farcical. The real reason, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder told us, was to keep non-Scientologists away from the Fort Harrison, the church’s holiest spot on Earth.

But at last night’s city council meeting, no Scientologists or church executives came forward to speak during the time for public comment before the council’s vote. And one person who did come forward to speak really stole the show.

It was our own Dee Findlay, longtime Underground Bunker reader and Clearwater resident, whom we wrote about in 2013 when her activity at this website got her declared a “suppressive person” by the church.

We knew her story, but still, what she said at the meeting knocked us over. After a faltering start about what she intended to talk about, she found her footing…

What I’d like to say — which I haven’t, and before I die, and I’m 80, I’ll be 81 soon. And I hadn’t had the nerve to say it before: I’m sorry. And I apologize to the citizens of Clearwater for being a volunteer covert operator for the organization in the early 80s….

I thought I was helping. I was a good member of the church. And I thought they needed my help with their enemies. But that’s not true. I found that out later.

Of all the speakers, her message was the most personal. We talked to her after the meeting, and after the council had voted 5-0 to purchase the parcel and keep it out of Scientology’s hands.

“When they voted I yelled a great wahoo, really loud. I couldn’t help it,” she says.

Dee started in Scientology in 1972, and by the early 1980s she was so dedicated, she volunteered for Scientology’s spy wing.

In one operation, she managed to get a volunteer receptionist job working for city commissioner Richard Tenney at his hot-tub store. He was running for re-election at the time, and Dee’s job was to see who was donating to his campaign.

“When checks came in, I would write down who wrote them, and I was also turning over addresses and amounts to the church,” she says. Tenney lost re-election.

We asked her what the church’s attitude was to the city and its leaders.

“They believed that it was their town, and they had to get rid of all their enemies,” she says. “It took a long time for me to realize that no, they don’t own Clearwater.”

She left Scientology for several years before she was briefly sucked back in about six years ago. Since then, she’s wanted to say something to the people of her town.

“I finally did it. I wanted to go and apologize to the citizens of Clearwater.”

She shared with us a fun vignette from the night’s long meeting. Although no Scientologists came up to the podium to speak, there was at least one member of the church in the audience.

“I was actually sitting next to a Scientologist,” Dee says. She describes their conversation:

“I was a Scientologist in the 70s,” Dee told her.

“So was I! In Seattle.”

“Are you getting up to speak?”

“I don’t think so, are you?”

“Yeah, I’m going to.”

“For or against?”

“For the city.”

“Oh, OK.”

“Are you OSA?” Dee says she asked, referring to the spy division she used to volunteer for.

“No.”

“Well I was for a little while,” Dee told her. After Dee went to deliver her remarks, when she returned to her seat the woman was gone.

We told her that her words produced a huge reaction here at the website last night.

“I had to do it. I needed to do it,” she says.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,727 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,830 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,324 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,364 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,076 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 602 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,691 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,831 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,151 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,126 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 482 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,784 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 891 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,293 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,166 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 747 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,252 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,496 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,605 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on April 21, 2017 at 07:00

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The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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  • Panopea Abrupta

    Late to the races today – Fian ran a fever of 102.5 last night.
    All good now, but we are sleep deprived.

    O/T The Mission mission continues

    And again the plot thickens.
    Today we look at the Mission of Watertown, MA.
    Watertown is a part of the Boston conurbation.
    Here’s the strange part – the Watertown Mission, tax-free courtesy of the IRS,
    has not now and never has had a presence in Watertown.
    It is actually registered in East Freetown, MA
    Look –
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f56d7185e5b6ff40b027d7c2a09bc26efeffb3b88d3af50e1465ae7f066bab7.jpg
    A decent drive.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/337f6039c7672bb30bdbcced068b2dc26393d4aa53adba533865d3d53500bc09.jpg
    And a rural road.
    And a big private house, with zero signage.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb7374eff9a48c7a0e67fe91f31cb6eb906eca454d1ef76666c1e0c1bfa39405.jpg

    I smell a rat.
    There is an angle here, probably a tax scam.
    Any Boston exes want to chip in with further info?

    …………………………………………………
    He said he’d build a swimming pool
    He thought he’d play them for a fool
    But Davey just got busted
    With him they are disgusted
    Clearwater knows he’s just a tool

    When Dee-day struck Clearwater
    She apologised and did not falter
    “I want to say before I die
    I’m so sorry I did spy”
    It took guts to say what galled her

    Unanimous was the vote
    It left DM an angry goat,
    A lump stuck in his throat
    From Tom’s penthouse,
    he can’t even gloat
    He should feck off on his boat
    His cult is barely afloat
    Hardly worth a footnote
    “It’s always worse” the killer quote

    • Robert Eckert

      Kiss Fian and make it all better!

      • joan nieman

        Aw! Get better fast Fian. No more sick!

    • Supper Powers

      Poor baby! A nice Friday to take naps all day will lead into a pleasant weekend.

    • Rasha

      I’m confused. Google lists the address of “Church of Scientology Boston” as
      1515 Hancock St #306, Quincy, MA 02169

      But shows the photo of

      214 Lincoln Street, Boston, MA 02134
      42.357783, -71.137083

      …which houses several businesses, including “Ideal Boston”, tagged as a church. Have never seen any signage, but I’ve only passed by at high speeds on the Pike.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ad4e3faa486adc8252e5f921bb59aeb640c96f2586c46b055d608560587cb6c.jpg

      • WhiteCentauress

        Part of their “million square feet under construction”, apparently.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4522ed3d01d9c003f57ecd66b78365b965ebb5271a8ab1c9b2b6d05280a55d40.png

      • PeaceMaker

        COS Boston currently has space in a modern office building, as well as another modern office building they bought for an “ideal” org but have yet to renovate and move in to. They moved into the temporary space after selling a beautiful old Beacon Hill mansion that they had long owned, and buying a historic old hotel in need of massive restoration work, which they never were able to raise funds for.

        They finally gave up on the old historic property intended to be their “ideal” org, and bought the newer – but still unrenovated – property that presumably will be less expensive to make usable. This is one of a small but increasing number of cases where orgs have thrown in the towel on the historic buildings that they bought to renovate. I think we can expect to see more of this, as the smaller orgs are unable to raise the necessary funds, and their deteriorating historic properties turn from not merely a financial drain, but a real PR and even legal problem.

        • Rasha

          Thanks!

        • Sherbet

          The current “modern office building” is, I believe, a 2nd floor space in a small strip mall in Quincy MA.

          • PeaceMaker

            Their address is listed as #306 in the building, which presumably means the third storey. A google search brings up pictures that include a modern building, but it now appears that the location in Quincy at 1515 Hancock St. is an older 4-storey office building with retail on the first floor. The modern office building that shows up, turns out to be the property in Allston that they bought 2 years ago, but have yet to move in to – and nothing seems to bear any resemblance to the picture on the org’s website, which looks more like California or Florida architecture.

            • Sherbet

              I’m pretty sure there is retail on the first floor of the current digs in Quincy. As for the floor number, you may be right.

      • Missionary Kid

        Pan was writing about the Mission, not the org.

        • Rasha

          Gotcha! Thanks!

      • PeaceMaker

        Rasha, after looking into it some more, the picture you provided appears to be of the new(est) property, intended for their “ideal” org – if and when they can finally get renovations done. They seem to be focusing in recent years on getting projects done in major cities, probably propped up in the end with infusions of cash from Miscavige, but I think that at some point sooner or later Scientology will end up too crippled to finish out their entire backlog of over twenty stalled projects.

        • Rasha

          Yeah, I believe this is the building they “bought” after abandoning the Alexandra. Looks like they’re a tenant??? I don’t know. This Google Map reference is the first I’ve heard of “Ideal Boston”….

          • PeaceMaker

            I would guess that, in typical inefficiency, and unrealistic expectation of doing things “right now,” they wouldn’t have any tenant except possibly a small one renting space on a month-to-month basis. Real estate records are often out of date as to tenancy.

            I think they issued a press release that they had bought the property for $15 million, but it’s also possible that they are doing something more finessed like leasing with an option to buy, pending receipt of funds from the sale of the Alexandra Hotel (the historic property that they were unable to renovate). It’s certainly a protracted and complicated mess, that calls into question their ability to ever get it done.

    • Rasha

      Fian’s a fighter. That fever never had a chance…

    • PickAnotherID

      Dang! You’re right. Being that far from Waterton it would have made more sense to name that ‘Mission’ for Fall River, New Bedford, or even Tauton. Maybe it was in Waterton at one time, then moved, and didn’t want to change the name for some reason.

      • Techie

        Like the “Stevens Creek Mission” originally so named because it was at 4340 Stevens Creek Blvd in San Jose. But then it moved, and later became an org. Why not “San Jose Org”? Still called Church of Scientology Stevens Creek as far as I know. But on Lundy Ave in San Jose.

    • ReallyMGM

      Your posts have inspired me to take an out-of-town road trip tomorrow. The closest mission is actually just a “Scientology in a Box” owned by a chiropractor. It is doesn’t show up correctly on Google maps. He sells Dianetics then sends them to St. Louis ((if they go). Total scam. The chiropractor has an impressive listing at truthaboutscientology.com

      • Juicer77

        Might be a good area to put some Call Me stickers on the lampposts. Just do it legally.

        • ReallyMGM

          AH! Good idea! The chiropractor lives 100 miles from his clinic so won’t be around. Funny thing…probably 6 scientologists in the area, although he probably makes his employees take classes because WISE.

          • Juicer77

            Can’t help to spread the message. At the very least it will cause a few people to wonder what it is and look up the site.

    • Juicer77

      Newiga has been kissing him again, hasn’t she? πŸ˜‰ Hope everyone is over these fevers.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Great project!

      Seems like there’s a common theme at work here: Instead of closing failing missions, the cherch convinces some silly $cilon to allow that mission to be “moved” to their private residence or unrelated business building, like “Bob’s Dyno Dentistry and Dianetics”. In that way, the cult is saved from the ignominy of having those failures and the direct evidence of the cult’s contraction made so apparent.

      Unfortunately for the cult, while their parishioners all seem to belong to the “can be fooled all of the time” group, folks here in the Bunker caught onto the cult’s fake figures, false fronts and flatulent frippery a long, long time ago and now constitute a group that can be fooled by $cn “none of the time”!

      Without new marks being jumped into the scam, the cult may be able to survive by living off its dragon hoard of stolen treasure for awhile, but it’s dying from the roots up even as we speak. Public exposure of these MINOs (Missions In Name Only) both serve to document the cult’s collapse at its grass roots base and lil davey’s intentional cover up of that collapse.

      Old $cn missions never die, they’re just unmagically transformed into dual purpose businesses where, for example, you can get your BTs waxed or some super-heavy dental engrams installed πŸ˜‰

  • ReallyMGM

    I am not a fan of politicians but last night they seemed very firm in their “yes” votes and their support for the citizens who had come forward personally and written to voice their opinions. Only for reelection purposes? Maybe, but they voted to but the property.

    This is just my opinion as someone who has been/watched a number of boring city council meetings in my own suburb, it was a well-run meeting for a city of that size. I know, no clapping and a buzzer, but it is a government meeting. Tony probably has covered many council meetings during his career and can weigh in with a much more educated opinion on the nuances of the meetin and its players. That part I was having trouble with.

    TOT: I do know it was WORLDS apart from the absolute worst council meetings I was at (***required under protest***) to attend in a major urban metro area. Weekly the majority of the council members showed up drunk, high and slept through procedure. That was just part of insane circus! Maybe I shouldn’t have written that but those meetings can be the absolute worst.

    • Juicer77

      Those Ayes sounded very firm and united. I agree, the meeting was run very professionally.

  • SarahDB

    Doin’ a happy Friday snoopy dance about Regraded Being at Mike’s place. Exposing the cognitive dissonance that is being on staff with the Co$!

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-93/

  • PickAnotherID
  • aquaclara

    So Tommy Cruise is putting in a pool that should be quite sufficiently big for all to share…..
    πŸ™‚

    • ReallyMGM

      Are you kidding? His youngest daughter will never swim in it.
      😭

      • aquaclara

        yes, but…..I’m actually quite fine with Suri staying away from Clearwater for a while, for her own protection and her mother’s sanity.

        • ReallyMGM

          I TOTALLY AGREE!!!
          Just being facetious. πŸ˜‰

        • Harpoona Frittata

          It’s a sad but true fact that Suri is better off not being around any true believer $cilon, including her father, until she’s old enough to come to her own opinion regarding the “beautiful religion”/Cult From Hell.

          Tom and Nicole’s adopted children are an excellent example of why that’s so. Not only have they been subjected to the standard cult brain washing program at such an impressionable young age, but they were intentionally turned against their mother, who’s only real mistake in leaving tom tom and the cult was not taking the kids with her.

          • Marshall

            I know this has been said before but what I wouldn’t give to be a fly on the wall in a conversation between Nicole, Katie, Nazinin, and Mimi. I really want to believe that Nicole did talk to Katie and gave her some guidance pre escape. Even though Nicole is a celebrity she certainly has suffered from disconnection too.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              She sure has! The sad story of all four of these former TC wives and GFs places lil davey, the jealous and manipulative home wrecker, at the heart of each of those bad-ending intrigues.

              If I was TC, I sure wouldn’t ever have anything more to do with someone who had betrayed me repeatedly in that way and made me the object of such public ridicule and scorn. I’d never speak to him again, at the very least!

          • ReallyMGM

            The hurt parents go through being disconnected is horrific, but Nicole’s has been played out on an international stage in the media. I can’t imagine. If she didn’t help directly, Katie (and Leah) saw the worse case scenario took steps to get out in the best way. Katie was one smart cookie! Utmost respect to her.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Yes indeed, kudos to Katie for beating the cult at their own game! If reports were correct there, Nicole did her part to warn Katie of what could become of her daughter if she didn’t get her away from the cult early enough on.

              I just wish both of tom tom’s ex-wives weren’t bound by their legal agreements and could speak out publicly to tell the whole truth of how lil davey the homewrecker and his mindless minions interfered with their marriage and private lives!

              Part of that story has already been told by former cultists, such as Tom De Vocht, who witnessed it first-hand, but a full tell-all by either or both of TC’s former wives would really shake a few $cn monkeys out of their trees, and perhaps, open the eyes of some of those who’ve remained blind up until now .

    • Betty

      LOL

  • Phatpharm

    Clearwater has taken a step to keep their city. Since the cops in CA seem to be deep in Scientology pockets, maybe Davey should move everyone over there and let Clearwater have their city back. Scientology just has such a horrible reputation with the public, it would keep me away.

  • Meepthorp

    I just got the great news! I like the idea of government buildings right up close and personal with scientology buildings. Not so they can be buddies, rather so the FBI has a good location to do surveillance.

    • flyonthewall

      FBI. The Feds. More like the Feebs. Amirite?

  • Eclipse-girl

    Thank you Dee.

    It is not easy to apologize and ask forgiveness for one’s actions.
    It takes a person with integrity and a well formed moral compass to do such an action.
    Its takes courage and strength of character.

    You have been a excellent model for others.

    • Juicer77

      Hello πŸ™‚

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I’m not a Clearwater citizen, but ………….
    I’m sΓ³Γ³ glad the Council did the right thing and …… their vote was even unanimous! Such a great day at the Bunker!

    And Dee is wonderful! I just read about what happened last night at the Council meeting and I watched the interview Dee gave.
    I just read the 2013 story Tony wrote about her for the first time.
    I also read the German press about Scientology and Dee which Pluvo provided the link for. Very interesting.

    Thank you, Dee. I’m sure you had REAL WINS (instead of the Scientology fake ones) doing what you did now.
    Have a glorious day, Dee!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5a1b443182b73d0afa18b3f330429964d8c61ff586cd1b39edb4d3e7526bb27.jpg

  • PickAnotherID

    Considering what happened concerning Davey’s Trout Run fiasco, religious discrimination complaint coming in …3, 2, 1…

  • Jeb Burton

    Ben Shaw said it was a manifest obstruction by an arrogant city that sees Scientologists as second class citizens. Exactly​ Mr. Shaw.

    • flyonthewall

      Yo check that. Flip it and reverse it. You know that’s right. Yo yo yo MTV raps ya’ll wud up wud up

      • OT: I am doing Belgium post punk industrial today…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkRKxeb-5n0

        • flyonthewall

          despite these guys’ utter lack of melanin, I dig them

          • I thought you might. Another track of theirs that is good is Colosseum Crash.
            “It takes a man wearing bluejeans to eat a whole can of jellybeans”

            • flyonthewall

              It’s like Lars Von Trier and Duran Duran had a baby…and then attempted to abort it but it survived and became A Split Second

            • The only reason I was exposed was due to frequent visits to Wax Tracks records in Chicago.

            • flyonthewall

              ooo, you went there? Lucky. They do many of my fav industrial bands like Ministry and Rev Co. Colosseum one is actually good, surprised it’s the same people as the one you linked above, which is pretty silly imho.

            • flyonthewall

              I think it’s video mostly. Music is good but the visuals, mmm, it’s distracting

            • Mullet – check
              Leather trousers – check
              Fingerless gloves – check

            • flyonthewall

              that thumb thing the singer does at the 40 mark! Lol.

            • Flicking imaginary Bics… “To Keep Your Burning Hope Alive.” – lol

            • flyonthewall

              there’s a kind of resurgence of industrial/techno nowadays, it’s pretty cool. 3teeth and Prayers are a couple new bands that really draw a lot from the good old days of 80’s-90’s electronic music

            • Yes – we would hang out in the city. I caught Rev Co in concert at the metro. I remember this show…
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZhtYwjRFvE

            • flyonthewall

              are you fucking serious? That is the coolest thing ever. Is that Chris Connelly singing? I don’t see Uncle Al here, not sure of the chronology of the members, changed a lot.

              I saw Thrill Kill Kult in the 90’s sometime just by accident. Was there for the opening band and had no idea who Thrill Kill was but I was hooked on electronic after that

            • TKK used to hang out at a bar on Damen in the Wicker park area, I can’t remember the name, just that it had a metal floor comprised of welded plates. We saw Ministry, TKK, RevCo, EinstΓΌrzende Neubauten, Dead Kennedys and Front 242.

            • flyonthewall

              Double Door?

              eta – that sounds like heaven. If DD is the place, I just went there like last year for the first time and saw Failure. Alt-rock band, very very good. You know it’s closing soon? They might relocate elsewhere, idk.

            • I just asked my bud in Chitown, it was a bar called”Dreamers” near Double Door, it closed a while ago and is now a place called Nick’s Beer Garden, 1516 N. Milwaukee Ave.

            • chukicita

              Ohhh…. so many memories of Wax Trax!

    • PickAnotherID

      Second class citizens who consider themselves so far above the law they don’t need permits to cut down trees or tear up sidewalks. Right.

    • Sherbet

      Did he really, or are you making a joke?

      • PickAnotherID

        “In a letter to the Tampa Bay Times on Monday, Shaw blasted the
        city as “arrogant” for wanting to keep the aquarium land out of the
        church’s hands, calling it “manifest obstruction” and a statement by
        City Hall that Scientologists are second-class citizens.”

        Full story, with that quote, at: http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/live-clearwater-city-council-set-to-vote-on-land-coveted-by-the-church-of/2321083

        • Sherbet

          Thanks, ID. I must have missed that on Monday. Ah, scientology…showing once again that they just can’t play nice with others. They can’t even pretend to play nice. Good one, Shaw.

          • PickAnotherID

            I find his “manifest obstruction” comment interesting. LIke he actualy believes $cientology has some kind of “manifest destiny” to buy up, and take over, as much of Clearwater as it wants.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, gosh, he shouldn’t even attempt to go there with logic. Manifest destiny, my rear end.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          It’s a universal law: The deeper the denial, the more intense the projection. Shaw’s petulant, butt hurt whinging about how $cilons are being treated as second-class citizens is an excellent case in point there.

          Referring to normal folks as “wogs,” “raw meat,” “degraded beings” and other choice descriptors of the same vein directly conveys how the cult arrogantly elevates its members above the hoi polloi as it tries its best to implement its Master Race scheme to dominate and control, not just the entire earth, but this sector of the universe as well.

          Seriously, how fucked up and “drain bamaged” is that!!?

  • April

    New Regraded Being posted at Rinder’s place: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-93/

    • chukicita

      bwaaa- “‘Theta’ means you’re supposed to like it. If you don’t, you get sent to Ethics until you do.”

    • Robert Eckert

      Most Sea Orgers don’t go Clear in this lifetime, but they get there before the end of their billion year contracts. On Staff it can take longer.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • ReallyMGM

      Cool Betty! Your skilz to find unique photos and videos amazes me.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        It’s actually my friend Lori, who lives in Clearwater, who has been sending me these recent links. I’ll pass it on πŸ˜€

        • Missionary Kid

          Please thank Lori for all of us.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            With pleasure πŸ™‚

    • chukicita

      Later on, it was standing room only!

  • Joe

    She might be the coolest Dee I know, and I once shared a taxi with Billy Dee Williams, so you know, that’s saying something.

  • nottrue
  • itsIBBy

    It might just be a parcel of land, but its a huge smack against Scientology. You cannot just throw money at things David. You will not always get what you want.

    Mind the liver today you booze laden fuckwit

  • Sherbet

    Here’s a question for anyone who has been there: What is it like in Salt Lake City? Is it a living community with retail and restaurants doing good business to tourists and church members? I know Rome/Vatican City isn’t zombified. There are plenty of tourists and pilgrims spending money that may go into the church and city economy. Regardless of what one thinks of any religion, a church can be a good neighbor if it knows its role in the community.

    Yet Clearwater (never been there either) gives the vibe of creepy robots who don’t pour money into the city, and the church’s “pilgrims” stay and eat in church buildings, so there’s no benefit to private businesses.

    A city with a huge church presence doesn’t have to be a bad thing. But scientology, unlike Salt Lake City or Vatican City, seems to have sucked all the air and commerce out of its community, and that’s its failure.

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      Never lived there, but I’ve visited SLC and the surrounding area numerous times. While the religious presence is quite heavy and constant, I’ve never found it to be unwelcoming towards visitors or nonmembers. Mileage may vary of course, but the LDS presence and its impact on community seems a polar opposite to Clearwater.

      • Sherbet

        Thanks, 3.

    • Techie

      Mecca and Medina have huge visitor economies, but part of that is the religious requirement for all Muslims to do the Hajj. I have visited Salt Lake City a few times. The Temple area is packed with visitors over the Christmas holiday because of the light display they put on, with animated audio-visual assisted nativity scenes and all kinds of attractions. In contrast to Scientology, they have a cutaway model of the Temple showing all the features, including controversial ones like the baptismal room for deceased ancestors. You can’t go in the Temple proper unless you are a member of the Church, but they are willing to explain what it is all about. The city center is packed with people during that time. It is hard to get around.If Scientology would be as honest about their beliefs they might get more respect, they are not the only religion with beliefs that others would call weird. But of course they can’t, and no visitors get closer than the security guards on the sidewalk if they ask too many questions. There are lots of businesses, restaurants, entertainment and so on in downtown Salt Lake City. It is pretty much just like any medium size city except for the huge temple and offices downtown for the LDS Church. And you can only buy liquor at restaurants or in designated liquor stores. No beer in the 7-Eleven!

      • Sherbet

        Thanks, Techie. You’re confirming my guesses — that other churches can do it right, but scientology is doing it, oh, so wrong, and they just can’t figure out why they get a bad rap.

        • Kestrel

          That’s because they are actually churches, whereas the entity in Clearwater is, well, something else.

    • MarcabExpat

      Salt Lake City is actually very diverse. Temple Square is ground zero for church-related activity and tourism, naturally, but it’s not the only thing around, and it’s not populated only by Mormons. In fact, many devout members see SLC as “too gentile” and live instead in strongholds like Provo. But even Provo isn’t a zombie town — it’s just not very diverse.

      • Sherbet

        I have distant LDS relatives in Provo, and I don’t remember them as being creepy or secretive. They only sort-of proselytized us when we met, not a whole lot.

        • Techie

          I have relatives that work for companies in Salt Lake City. One worked for a company that was founded by an LDS member, but he was never pressured to join or made to take special LDS “training” or any of the weird tricks that happen in Scientology companies. Some of the employees were LDS, some not. No problemo.

          • Missionary Kid

            IMO, often promotions, raises, and hiring come faster for people who are also LDS. It’s subtle, but it’s there. That’s one reason that a lot of jack Mormons keep their heads down.

        • MarcabExpat

          Right? And there’s an extroversion there that is just absent in Scientology. They’re genuinely friendly and genuinely positive toward humanity in general. In places like Provo they may be very centered around their own culture, but it’s been a long time since LDS saw themselves as ‘us against the world,’ and even back in the early days when it was a highly controlled enclave, they took it on themselves as a culture to open up to the outside world and “mainstream.” No organization based on “the tech” will ever be able to do that.

          • Sherbet

            Maybe it’s because (I believe) Mormons are required to go out into the world as missionaries. There’s no comparison between their missions and scientology’s missions.

            • MarcabExpat

              There’s certainly no comparison between a pair of “bicycle boys” going door to door and a team of body routers pacing in front of the Bank Building. I’ve welcomed probably a dozen LDS missionaries into my living room, on no notice, even when home by myself, and they were polite, cheerful, and grateful for the cookies and milk. Even when they figured out that there was no way they were getting a convert out of me, they clearly enjoyed just having a nice conversation with a not-unfriendly stranger.

              On the other hand, I can’t go from my parked car down the sidewalk to the Flag Starbucks entrance without encountering a raised eyebrow and an curled lip from the Banquet Serving Streetwalkers Brigade, because my wheelchair marks me, in their eyes, as a Degraded Being. They don’t even try to recruit me, because I’m beneath their contempt.

      • Kristen

        I love SLC. Have some friends there, and the skiing is really close by. Nice bars & restaurants, beautiful parks. When I visited there in the mid-90’s it was kind of creepy (no booze, no smoking pretty much anywhere), but it’s really changed a lot.

        • MarcabExpat

          Yeah, so many people who haven’t been to Utah don’t realize what a tourism-oriented state it is. It’s a beautiful place with lots to do. And the people are, well, normal. Mormons do their thing, but they’re not afraid of the outside world, and don’t see it as an enemy. They make great neighbors.

    • Missionary Kid

      Watch what you do in SLC. I had a couple of hardcore biker friends who took a road trip for their vacation from Southern California. Their route went through the city, so they decided to take the guided tour of the Mormon Tabernacle. The guide was showing them different parts of the building, and, at one point, said, in reverent tones, “…and now you’ll hear the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.” Whereupon a recording was played.

      My friends, being upset, started to protest, and were loud about it, whereupon they were not only kicked out of the building, but the police escorted them out of town.

      I also had a Jewish friend who worked in SLC for a while. She said that it was the only place she’s been where she was referred to as a gentile.

      • Jeb Burton

        Why the hell were they upset? Sound like jerks with no respect.

        • Sherbet

          I say, let’s contact them and send them into Flag.

        • Missionary Kid

          They were, but the part that was interesting to me is that the police escorted them out of town. In a way, that was right, because it saved them the time and money of doing an arrest, but it also is an indication of how closely the Mormon church and the police operate.

          • Jeb Burton

            And it doesn’t in Clearwater? I have personal experience.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m sure the Clearwater police work hand in glove with $cientology security.

        • Kestrel

          Haven taken the tour, I was under the impression that the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was actually going to perform for us. Instead, it was a recording. I was disappointed, but I didn’t get in anybody’s face about it, either.

      • Why were they upset? Didn’t they ask to take the tour?

        • Missionary Kid

          They were upset because the way that the tour was presented, it was implied that they’d hear the choir live. Someone else commented that they took the tour and were fully expecting to see and hear the choir, too, and when they heard a recording were upset, but they kept their mouth shut.

          My friends were definitely not P.C. nor religious.

    • Jeb Burton

      Bizarre liquor laws, but a pretty cool city. Oh, and you can tour the Tabernacle. Scientology will have you arrested if you want to have a look at one of their buildings.

      • Missionary Kid

        A friend of mine used to call them the nicest cult he knows. (Not $cientology, the Mormons).

        • Jeb Burton

          Yeah. Nice people but political and they have power. Right wing to the max. Hi Glenn Beck.

          • Missionary Kid

            Surprisingly, Beck has backed away from Trump lately (or maybe not so surprisingly, given a lot of Mormon’s antipathy towards him). He now supposedly has a bodyguard to protect him from Trump supporters. On the other hand, he insists that the Boston Marathon bombing is a conspiracy.

    • ReallyMGM

      This is very specialized. I have never been there but many of my friend that are quilters, knitters, and into other crafts have been through and it is the absolute MECCA for that sort of thing. EVidentially Morman women are really into that stuff and they are mega successful at it. Many are into fabric design and some of these best fabric companies also employ them as fabric designs. (I’m not talking about the cheap stuff your grandmother made.) And yes, they said said everyone was helpful and friendly.

      • Sherbet

        Thanks, MGM. I didn’t know that.

      • Techie

        My parents got their genealogy research done at the LDS Family History Library. You can also do genealogical research at local LDS churches. They have tons of records on microfilm. When I did some of that there was no attempt to recruit me. Imagine walking into a Scientology church to do some research!

        • Missionary Kid

          Having family in the missionary business, it’s the soft sell. The ads about DNA testing as well as genealogy searches are businesses owned by Mormons.

          They do medical and relief and social work in countries, and recruit people that way. The Mormons are similar to $cientology in that they do have a form of disconnection, but I understand it is only for ex-members, and there is secret doctrine that is not revealed until you have reached certain levels, just like the wall of fire in $cientology.

        • ReallyMGM

          I’ve done that! Years ago before my local library had a center (which still doesn’t have the resources the LDS has.) There was no no recruitment at all. There was quite a bit of information because a distant, lateral relative had married a Morman had done the research! It is all online now, free of chart, not like Ancestry.com.

          • Missionary Kid

            Ancestry.com is owned by Mormons who decided to monetize the information by setting up a database. They also do DNA analysis to determine what a person’s biological ancestry is under another name.

        • April

          You can also do it online through the LDS, also for free. It’s at http://www.familysearch.org

          • Techie

            True, but there are lots of microfilms that have not been digitized yet. The only way to find it is to check the cross indexes, order the microfilm reels, then go back when they arrive and look at them. It is pretty easy to scan the films and put them on a USB stick once you find the right page, but you may have to do a lot of scanning to find the page. Beats going to Germany or Italy and asking to look at the original church records. At least that was how it was a few years ago when I was looking for my Dad’s German ancestors back to the 1600s. They are digitizing more records all the time so it is probably easier now.Edited to add – the LDS Church does have an ulterior motive of sorts, in that they want all those records you find back in their data base so the LDS members can use them to trace their own ancestors. I think the practice of baptizing your ancestors is basically harmless but there are Jewish groups that have asked them not to do it to Jewish ancestors.

    • mandymarie20

      I think a bit of it also has to do with tourism related industries. While I haven’t been to SLC, I know Vatican City is packed with hundreds to thousands of people whose sole purpose is to cater to tourists by creating souvenirs for people to buy, restaurants for visitors to eat, fine Italian crafts, places for people to stay, historical tourism, etc. If visitors aren’t welcome because your religion sees visitors as evil and your church members can’t compensate for the loss of potential revenue because they earn $50 in the Sea Org and are working and studying all day, how do you make a city vibrant? It is not just the Vatican who relies on the visitors and makes money off them. Others can supply church related material there. If Scientology let non-Sciens sell LRH bobble heads or ‘Grow a Miscavige’ sponges like people not Vatican affiliated can sell rosaries and crosses in Vatican City, maybe Clearwater could thrive as a church center. But then Scientology would have to change everything and stop solely existing for draining people of their money and that’s not happening. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f16328165ffa5527a1141b207d49f7fc25fa273c9bd13036af746c4e92292b1b.jpg

      • Sherbet

        Nicely put.

  • PickAnotherID

    Later all. Pickleball tournement at the Senior Center this afternoon.
    ETA: Watching, not playing.

  • madame duran

    In addition to supporting the city’s bid to purchase the Aquarium property and any future developments, I hope the residents will be vigilant in keeping Scientology in check. I believe the cult will retaliate in word and deed, publicly and secretly. I hope they arm themselves with factual information and fight back tooth and nail for every square inch of Clearwater. The people have incredible power when they work together and they also can avail themselves to the help coming from surrounding municipalities and/or abroad.

    Scientology forced itself to become part of the landscape and, sadly, that reality will continue to exist for a long time. There’s more to this story than a downtown revitalization project; it’s a battle against a force that seeks to undermine anything that isn’t part of itself. This isn’t a fight that can be won just by a handful of individuals. It’s a concentrated effort to stand up for Clearwater at every turn. Scientology doesn’t have to be banned. However, it can be EXPOSED for the fraudulent, bad faith, deceptive organization it is.

    Clearwater has been a sad case study of how a cult can destroy a beautiful town. I hope last night’s council meeting was the start of the table being flipped where Clearwater becomes the case study of how ordinary citizens can successfully counter a corporate bully.

    • Juicer77

      Hopefully the residents will have a little compassion for some of these people who have been brainwashed for years. But as the corporate Co$ shrinks, perhaps only the truly vicious, hardened ones are left. It will be tough to bridge those gaps.

      • madame duran

        Clearwater’s stance towards Scientology should always be polite, professional yet FIRM. Scientology members aren’t the enemies. The aim is not to attack a group’s beliefs. It’s about asserting the city’s RIGHT to determine its own future with the best interests of ALL residents in mind.

        Scientology’s leadership (read: David Miscavige) has shown itself to be uncooperative and uncompromising in its relations with the city. Naturally, that produces conflict. A conflict of ideas is generally expected in human affairs but most of the time it can be resolved with reason; a conflict that leads to violence or oppression (from either side) is not to be tolerated. If Scientology chooses to engage in criminal or immoral activity to accomplish its agenda, it automatically forfeits any reasonable accommodations. I’m all for compassion for the brainwashed, misguided lot but there will be ZERO sympathy for vicious zealots that use intimidation and threats to get their way.

        This is where it takes wisdom and resolve to handle the two-faced cult. The city has to follow its core values, know its boundaries and stick by them. It has to know which battles are worth waging and HOW to wage them. Clearwater can be respectful yet tough when dealing with Scientology. Quite a balancing act.

        • Juicer77

          Well said.

      • PeaceMaker

        A lot of the members left are probably just sad, old cases who hardly know what else to do with their lives – including those who are essentially trapped, by having family in and having their social circle tied to membership.

        The long-term staff are more likely to be hard cases, but there are probably some fairly decent people who have found niches to sort of hide out and try to keep up their early ideals of doing some good, as well as younger staff members or more recent recruits who are not yet hardened.

        Many of the long-term staff would probably have a lot of difficulty adjusting to the outside world. But Scientology may continue on through its decline or collapse, long enough for many of them to finish living out their lives in the bubble.

    • GfldedKim

      Oh it can be done! Look what we did in New England with Market Basket? Kicked the ass out of Hooch and Gooch and corporate bullies! πŸ‘ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8354ee3782e9f035c037bdb1c557625d8fda3add6d1f71190e39540d140e224.jpg

  • nottrue
    • Juicer77

      Never seen that angle before. It sure is a great location for a public space!!

    • That looks like a view from the Fort Harrison.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        From one of Ft Harrison’s 4598 CCTV cameras, perchance.

        • And right behind you would be the swimming pool at the Fort Harrison that very rarely gets used. I think the whole swimming pool across the street there was a ruse. They would never have built a pool there.

      • Missionary Kid

        a drone was deployed for some of the shots.

    • GfldedKim

      πŸŽ‰πŸ‘

    • GfldedKim

      What are the bldgs on the left and the right of the property?

      • On the left is Scientology’s Oak Cove. I’ve been there a few times. Not much action.

        • Sherbet

          There would be plenty of action if there were a “Call Me” billboard facing its windows: Employ pulling-down-shades tech, stat!

          • Ha! Yes, they’ve utilized that tech for us a few times.

        • GfldedKim

          Wow. This is srsly epic! Davey must be freakin out..πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜‚

        • Kestrel

          No “escorts” in the lobby bar?

        • PeaceMaker

          And if they really wanted a pool and recreation area, they could put the parking (on the left in the photo) underground with the new facilities on top, for much less than the $15 million that was supposedly going to buy land for that purpose.

          I would love to know just how active the Oak Cove really is – or isn’t – these days. Reports are that there are not many guests, and space being used for other purposes. City and county tax reports for previous years would reveal a lot about the real trends, if they could be had.

      • Kestrel

        The building on the left is the Clearwater City Hall.

        • Kestrel

          Oops. City Hall is the building on the right.

    • Observer

      This makes me giddy with delight

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “(sniff, sniff)…and all we wanted to do was put in a nice pool for the kids, but look what the religious bigots have done! CoB was willing to spend $15 million + another million or so for the pool and landscaping + another $8 million to put up beautiful facades in downtown CW, but NOOOO, the poor kids are going to have to suffer because of the city’s uncaring attitude towards children! This is SUCH a clear example of just how bigoted and hateful that the city has been to us that we should all move somewhere else where we can practice our religion in peace!”

    • April

      So does that bridge in the background go out to the Clearwater beach areas?

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Ooh, John Sweeney is live on Come Get Sum Extra right now. I’ll share a link to the full podcast when Chris posts it.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cgshere/2017/04/21/come-get-sum-extra-scientology-edition-bbc-reporter-john-sweeney

    • Ohh good πŸ™‚

    • He needs more exposure.. he does a hell of a job! So keep posting about him and remind us.

  • madame duran

    Re-posting link to archived video of yesterday evening’s Clearwater council meeting:

    http://clearwater.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=50&clip_id=3237
    (item relating to the city’s purchase of the Aquarium lot begins at the 47:20 mark and lasts to the near end–a full hour of recording)

  • Shivani33

    I watched Dee Findlay speak last evening from my patio, 2 and a half hours distant from Clearwater. I want to say that the feelings evoked from her contribution at the city council meeting in Clearwater still are as profound this afternoon as yesterday evening. It has been a tremendous teaching moment of strength and love. And of healing. She has led by her example. I wish that the words “thank you, Dee Findlay” could convey enough of what an impact she is having.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Thank you Shivani. You a very kind.

  • MCurie

    forgive me if this is a repeat (I’m behind on my bunker reading)
    Have you guys looked at Gold Base/Hemet using the 3D view on google earth? the zoom detail is amazing!
    https://earth.google.com/web/@33.8345528,-116.98835335,455.5431329a,763.27441126d,35y,-0h,60t,0r/data=CgAoAg

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Whoa, that’s bloody incredible.

      • MCurie

        maybe we can find Heber and Shelley on it!

        • MCurie
          • Ann B Watson

            Love it! My hometown gets a golden heart. πŸ’›

            • GfldedKim

              Yes, but it does freak me out that they are even here! 😳

            • Ann B Watson

              I understand completely, at least there are only 3 cars in the lot. I was sending love to old Bean Town in general,anyway the cult sold their beautiful building in Beacon Hill in the 80s. And now they over look The Mass Pike? I think they do let me know if they moved again from well the South End did not work out for the cult either. ❀️

            • GfldedKim

              South End?? Ya, not so much. I can see Southies kicking their cray cray butts out of there! πŸ˜‚

            • Ann B Watson

              And throwing clay demo clay at them for good measure! 😘

            • GfldedKim

              πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

            • Robert Eckert
            • GfldedKim

              πŸ˜‚. Yup, that’s wicked awesome!! πŸ˜‚

            • GfldedKim

              Yup! Wicked true πŸ˜‚

          • Sherbet

            Silly MCurie, it’s not open yet. They have to raise funds for renovation.

            • Rasha

              *digs out pirate costume*

          • Rasha

            90 is much easier to drive since they removed the Reg Booths, still, I speed up around this part. It’s just a natural reaction.

          • PeaceMaker

            That’s the property that they bought 2 years ago after giving up on the historic building they had purchased to renovate. But they still haven’t gotten it together to renovate this building, either. I just checked, and it appears that they still haven’t sold that one building, and are probably waiting for the money from that to come in to renovate this one.

            This is part of one of the long sagas of travail of orgs in the age of “ideal” over the last two decades, typical in its dysfunction and the resulting disaffection of members and staff, if not in all the exact details. In Boston’s case, if I recall, they sold the beautiful mansion that was their long-term home in a prime site on Beacon Hill, because it somehow wasn’t right for renovation as an “ideal” org, and leased temporary space that they’re still in. Then of course they bought the one historic building that they failed to raise funds to renovate, and finally bought this inexpensive badly located commercial space that they are left waiting to renovate.

            • MCurie

              The beautiful one was in Back Bay, not on Beacon Hill (neighborhoods are right next to each other, but one isn’t hilly. both are very pricey.) The bought the Alexandra Hotel on the edge of the South End in 2008–beautiful but extremely run down,; and never renovated it. Currently listed for sale. They leased a dumpy spot in a Quincy retail low-end building. Then bought the Allston site.
              I knew they hadn’t renovated Allston but I thought they moved out of Quincy. Looks deserted.

            • PeaceMaker

              MCurie, I guess I have outed myself, as not being a Bostonian! Thanks for the correction. The pictures of their old building seem to show it on a bit of an elevation, so I guess I just assumed…

              Even the org’s website gives the Quincy address. If that has actually changed, that would be some news!

            • Kristen

              Given how they operate, I would think that the $$ from selling the historic building would go to the Mothership, and they would raise additional funds for the renovation of the other building.

            • PeaceMaker

              Scientology may be doing some of that in cases where they can get away with it, but I think the scam consists mostly of starting with small buildings often owned by the local corporations, and using local members’ contributions to upgrade to a fancy building that then goes onto the books of CofS’ international property management (and into the assets that Miscavige can claim). But at some point they also have to satisfy long-suffering and heavily-contributing members with new facilities – and, infamously, give COB Miscavige the chance to yank ribbons at grand openings. I think the evidence is growing that membership is dwindling and tapped out, and Miscavige may be having to provide funds to finally get “ideal” orgs done in some case.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              So, if we were to synopsize the cult’s efforts in Boston to “go Ideal,” it might sound like this: The failing mother cherch failed to renovate the historic building that they purchased, then failed to sell it before buying the one pictured, which is failing to be renovated because there are no funds available to do it with…that’s a whole lotta failing goin’ on in Boston!

      • MCurie

        Look at all those EMPTY PARKING SPACES πŸ™‚

    • Ann B Watson

      Wow, I am Amazed! Thank you MCurie. ❀️

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Part 1 of Chris Crimy’s interview with John Sweeney for Come Get Sum has been uploaded here. Sweeney was excellent value, as always. Part 2 coming soon.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cgshere/2017/04/21/come-get-sum-extra-scientology-edition-bbc-reporter-john-sweeney

    • Jimmy3

      So this is just the beginning of the interview?

      • Were you there? You weren’t there.

        • Jimmy3

          That’s why I’m asking. If I were there I wouldn’t have to ask.

    • This is the part where Chris is visiting Orlando Org… ha ha!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        He’s great πŸ™‚ John Alex Wood told him not to believe what he reads on the internet, instead he should go to a Scientology “church” and see for himself. So Chris went. And couldn’t get in.

        • Nope! we where following the whole thing on on Twitter that day… So funny he he

  • flyonthewall

    4/20 shall henceforth be known as Clearwater’s Independence Day!! Coolest Independence Day ever

    • Jimmy3

      If you don’t mind, I’m still just gonna call it 4/20

      • flyonthewall

        Don’t mein me, I won’t make a fuhrer

        • Jimmy3

          I did nazi that coming.

          • Rasha

            All reich, knock it off.

            • flyonthewall

              alt right, I’m done

            • Rasha

              …besides, 4/20 = 0.2

            • Kestrel

              0.2 is over the legal limit.

            • WhiteCentauress

              No good pun,
              but bet you’re not done….

            • Jimmy3

              no need to get your infodrawers in a bunch

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Now that’s a good one, also 4/20.

      • Dee Day… someone coined that last night

  • WhiteCentauress

    Starting a Go Fund Me for getting Davy that pool….

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/def184ad306d0e8455416e5019793690f55e711dfe7de07015325661f1de49c4.png

    I kicked in $3.00.

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)
      • lol thats not how to do it

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        !! Is that an electric extension lead floating in the water?

        • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

          Indeed it is! Safely buoyed by the ingenious combination of two flipflops! Drunken ingenuity at its finest.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          I’ve seen this pic before, my first thought was: β€œWell there’s a Darwin Award waiting to be won!”

          • Jimmy3

            There’s no way it’s plugged in πŸ˜›

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              (I should be pleased this is the case… why am I not… πŸ˜‰ )

            • Philbyification

              olde tech? lol

            • Sherbet

              “Hey, Bob. The radio turned off. Recheck that plug, will ya?”

            • WhiteCentauress

              “Billie Bob”….(or “Bubba”)

            • WhiteCentauress

              You don’t know many rednecks, I’m guessing?

            • Jimmy3

              Oh, I do. Rednecks wouldn’t think it out of the ordinary enough to take a picture and share on social media.

            • Rasha

              fewer and fewer…..

            • Missionary Kid

              Actually, it probably is. People forget that if the plug gets wet in the water that the current will flow in the shortest path of least resistance, which is between the two leads of the plug, or receptacle or to the ground of each of them.

              This would be more dangerous if it were a regular swimming pool, where the current might run from, say a light fixture to a drain. I’m not saying that this is safe. It isn’t, but it’s not as dangerous as you think. It has the possibility of electrocuting someone if they get too close to a wet plug or receptacle, or if they have one foot in and the other wet foot on the ground if there’s a bad ground on the circuit.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m saying the red extension cord that runs off-screen isn’t plugged into any socket. There is no current. I didn’t forget anything.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m hoping you’re right. I took that into account, but there are idiots everywhere

      • WhiteCentauress

        Shocking!!!!!

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Hilarious! Get her done, put them rednecks on FRY!!!

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Ahh! The ol’ pool hack!

    • ReallyMGM

      They did that on Duck Dynasty.

      • WhiteCentauress

        It’s a real thing in redneck country, even though it seems unbelievable. Ten bales of hay and a tarp equals a cheap, environmentally-friendly, temporary pool.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Didn’t they do a lynching, too?

        • ReallyMGM

          Dunno not really a viewer but did see them in the truck.

    • Philbyification

      $1.97

      • WhiteCentauress

        That and my $3.00 should be plenty.

  • Illinoisian

    Late to the party but want to share the celebration after years (four years reading the Bunker as of last month) of waiting for Clearwater to realize the nature of what they’ve been dealing with. Yaaaay!!

    Congratulations, Dee, you bold and wonderful woman!

    Wondering, as we all are, what Scientology will do next, bound as it is to the methods in a simple minded but toxic playbook. I hope all the Clearwater citizens involved have copies of “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely”, which can serve as a training manual: alert friends and neighbors that they may soon receive strange warnings, beware of new, super sympathetic friends, lock up journals and diaries, secure your garbage on pickup day, etc.

    Thinking about how:
    Scientologists locally are hearing about the failure.
    There will be no big puffed up story about land expansion filmed for premier on the Freewinds.
    There will be no triumphant announcements in the Orgs.

    I’m picturing DM totally blitzed on his high end Scotch (can’t remember the name), alone, whimpering to himself,
    I AM at cause.
    I AM at cause.
    I AM at cause.
    I AM at cause.

    And he emphatically is NOT.

    (Returning now to my post-election life as a newbie political activist.)

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      Never too late to join the party!

      • Illinoisian

        Hey, Montana! Good to see you.

        • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

          Good to see you as well!

    • Rasha

      Time to buy up Macallan stock…..

      • Illinoisian

        *That’s* the brand.

    • Kestrel

      It’s good to see you again!

      • Illinoisian

        Hey, there *you* are! Nice to see you, too.

  • nottrue
    • GfldedKim

      So close to the big bldg…is that City Hall and are they planning on moving?

      • Kestrel

        Sorry, the white building on the left is City Hall.

      • PeaceMaker

        The big building in the background is the Ft. Harrison Hotel – I have never seen this view before, and now can appreciate why Miscavige wants to own the whole vista down to the waterfront.
        The building on the left is City Hall – which is slated to be moved to a location in a new Pinellas County government center, as would have been necessary to make room for the Aquarium. On the far side of the Oak Cove hotel on the right, is a parking garage and small office building belonging to Pinellas County – which Scientology could have tried to make a deal for, if they really were willing to spend a lot of money just to have more room for a pool.

        • GfldedKim

          Thank you!

  • Observer
    • WhiteCentauress

      She’s actually right about an “Awakening”, but it’s in Clearwater!!!!! Duh, Joy!!!

    • flyonthewall

      I don’t think I can handle much more of this love from the “conservative awakening”. Families being ripped apart and deported, people fleeing to Canada, hate crimes. Just oozing love, wish they’d knock it off already

      • Observer

        If ever there was anyone in need of a severe reality adjustment, it’s this self-absorbed bubblebrain.

      • Sherbet

        Where the heck is she finding love? I see misery all over the place.

        • flyonthewall

          it’s there, just have to look…real hard…like with a magnifying glass

      • Science Doc

        They’re coming for the disabled next.

        • flyonthewall

          yeah? Let them come. I will have a surprise for them

          • Jimmy3

            Ahhh, the old “Beware of Dog” sign and the doorbell that sounds like a snarling Rottweiler. Clever.

            • Sherbet

              Now you ruined fly’s surprise.

            • Jimmy3

              It’ll still work, these people are stupid.

            • Science Doc

              And the wind chimes that sound like a 12 gauge being shucked.

            • flyonthewall

              what good would that do? They also have dogs. No, my doorbell squirts pee when you press it. Figure I can have a good laugh at their expense before they haul me away

    • Rasha

      “Recording artist considered”. Get it right.

      • WhiteCentauress

        I think it’s ironic that her “album” has the word “static” in it, because I remember old time radios when static was unwanted noise.

    • Jimmy3

      Woah. In this universe she wears a normal outfit? No construction barrel? No chain link fence dress? No duct tape necklace?

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Duct tape is for nipples.

      • Observer

        AND she cares about people other than herself!

        • Kestrel

          Whatever it takes to afford going up the bridge to spiritual freedom.

    • Rasha

      Okay. Totally off topic, sorry. But I was thinking about how her hair kind of looks like a high-speed photo of a ground burst explosion, and was looking for a clever image to compare them, but ended up going off on tangents that left me here:

      https://www.ngssphenomena.com/

      …I can’t work now. I’m scheduled to work the weekend, and there’s no way I’m doing anything useful.

      Damn that hair.

      • WhiteCentauress

        What an amazing site. I loved the little boy breaking the bubble. Very symbolic.

      • chukicita

        Wow! I took the afternoon off because of you.

        • Rasha

          #^_^#

          Welcome!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
        • Rasha

          There’s a time-lapse video of this, but I can’t locate a good version.

    • chukicita

      Because Joy Villa is straight up woke.

      *bursts into giggle fit*

    • $cnMonkeyNut$
    • madame duran

      I think she honestly expects love to just happen when she keeps saying the word instead of, like, y’know…actually PRACTICING it. I blame the Scientology idea of postulates.

      Now that so many giants in the U.S. Conservative world have fallen of late or are embarrassingly inept (Trump, Paul Ryan, Milo, O’Reilly, Alex Jones of InfoWars, etc.), do you think Joy Villa is getting lots of attention to fill the gap? I mean, she’s a fraud too, but I guess if one’s desperate for SOMEONE to carry the conservative/Republican torch, some are willing to settle with the least (pardon me…”Grammy-considered”).

      **skeeves**

      • mandymarie20

        Here’s what I personally think is happening, having viewed the Conservative movement. Someone makes a splash in culture, seemingly for a conservative reason. Since there aren’t many prominent Conservative cultural figures, that person who made a splash shoots to the top of the Conservative celebrity class. One Conservative pundit has them on. If they do okay, then that person is basically shuttled around on every Conservative television, radio, Youtube, podcast, etc. If that celebrity then makes more waves – even if it is just wearing a dress or going to a rally – they are trucked around the circuit again. Since Joy is very good at creating minor waves, she can keep going on this circuit as long as she wants to keep it up.

        What I find odd is even though they are told repeatedly that she is advancing Scientology as a Trojan Horse, and are told so repeatedly, if nothing else than by me, they don’t care. Once someone seems to become a Conservative celebrity, because there are so few, they seem to stay in the Conservative spotlight unless something incredibly egregious happens.

    • Newiga

      *barf*

    • Derp!

    • OMG her mouth is closed!

      • Sherbet

        That must be her “Let’s all love one another!” serious look.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Doesn’t the Fort Harrison already have a pool?? $15 mil for a pool area? Really.

    And Yay Dee!!!!! You tell ’em!

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      They have a nice pool to clean, never saw any swimmers. Thanks Taffy.

  • chukicita

    OT: Swung by Tampa Org today around lunchtime.

    Not a soul to be seen. Or a thetan, either.

    • Andrew Robertson

      You can’t see thetans. Anyway their meat bodies are probably all in the chapel praying… or crying..
      Scientologists become very religious after a setback,

      Andrew

      • chukicita

        Chapel? Heh.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I’m back. Just finished over at Face Book and friends, Zowwie, I’m getting tired,

    Baby! Where are you? Hope you are well. I’ve just been so busy since yesterday, don’t know if coming or going, hahaha. Love the excitement and all the love here.

    • Observer

      Her granddaughters are visiting so she’ll be scarce for the next couple of weeks.

      • Baby

        thanks Obs.. ( They are leaving Mon. ) OMG they are dragging me around like Weekend at Bernies..hahhahahahhaa

    • Baby

      I’m here Rev. Mama.. I just told Obs.. My grandchildren are dragging me around with them everywhere..hahhaa .. Tonight either boat ride or all night skating..

      Remember you told me not to go because I would break my hip..bawwwwwwhahahhahaa

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        No, I think I said ‘break a leg’ like on Broadway! bawwwwwhaahaha

        • Baby

          Sure..hahahhaha.. Guess what? Skating tonight.. hahahhaha

  • WhiteCentauress
    • madame duran

      I know what my next move is…
      Making sure that Cruise’s movie “The Mummy” spectacularly BOMBS at the box office.
      I know, it has nothing to do with Clearwater but dangit…I need something to do until Season 2 of Aftermath is aired. πŸ˜‰

      Women of the world…work with me to get the task DONE.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      ‘shut up lets go fuck’

  • Baby

    When I first met Dee I ran up to her and hugged her and was TOO MUCH BABY.. and I said to Bury.. ” I don’t think Dee likes me.. ” and Bury being Bury said.. ” Oh..she does.. ” but not very convincingly.

    So I said to Dee a year later.. ” Do you want to hear something funny.. I didn’t think you liked me when we first met..and she said..” I didn’t think I liked you either..” ( hahahhaha)

    Rev. Mama Dee and I and Bury.. Very bossy Broads .. All 3 of us .We really aren’t cliquey . I abhor cliques. It’s just that we live close enough by to meet and have slumber parties.. The longest we can go being apart is about 2 months. ( I really missed them when I was too ill to drive) and too sick to have them in my home. ugh

    Rev. Mama Dee once told Bury and I..” If it takes the rest of my life I will fight them. I want to be an activist and I will tell anyone who will listen how I feel about this ” Church..” I will do it for David ( Dee’s late husband.)

    I will do it to make up for all the wrongs I committed against Clearwater and people who trusted me.. ” We have seen tears come down her eyes more than once when talking about that time in her life. She is a brave..Courageous SASSY woman. She speaks her mind and you never have to guess where she stands.

    I also have gotten a kick out of her just waltzing around with various Anti-Scientology books in hand around Clearwater with us.. ( or without us) The guards all know her and scowls as she shows them the book and asks.. ” Have you read Tony Ortega’s book about Pauline Cooper and how they Fair Gamed her? It is a Must read. ” as Bury and I giggle at her chutzpah.

    But she is also a very thoughtful protester.. ” Let’s go home he ( Security guard who has followed us all night) looks tired and needs to sleep.. ” She is so sweet and nurturing.

    So Dee We are all proud of you. You did what you have wanted to do since I met you. And David is smilin down at his ballsy wife.. Love baby .. Bury and Bunkerues

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2130d362b25d04e167501a2e327a53364ef86341b346c273897ebee0e74c76b7.jpg

    • Jimmy3

      She’s looking for you! Hide!

      • Baby

        hahahhaa .. She’ll find me ..she always does.. xoxo

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Found ya! hah!

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      Love that picture, and love you bossy broads! Keep up those chutzpah’ing, sassy, fun-loving antics!

      • Baby

        Yes Bury has to break Mama Dee and I up once in awhile..hahhaha

        ” Now girls! ” Mama Bear, Papa Bear and Baby bear.. ” I’m going to have 3 bears tattooed ,on my ankle..

        • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

          Well somebody’s gotta keep you from getting too wild and crazy all the time πŸ˜›

          • Baby

            Absolutely.. I do want to mention so many Bunkeroos have visited Mama Dee and love her..
            I didn’t want to leave them out so I won’t list them all.. but they know who they are..

    • Rasha

      Very this ^^^^^_^

    • Illinoisian

      Great pic.
      Big smiles. Bossy women. (But thoughtful about it.)

      • Baby

        OMG.. So Lincolns.. Where Ya been.. ? I miss you so much.. Unless you are really enjoying your life … then THAT would be fabulous..xoxo smooches hugs ..baby

        ( Ps we’re not always that thoughtful..bawwwwwwhahahhahahah)

        • Illinoisian

          Hugs & smooches back to you. I’m running around to marches, town hall mtgs & state capitol & local meetings & calling legislators. Sometimes Mr. I comes along. Often he stays home with aging, sweet dog who has congestive heart failure & is on 4 cardiac meds (and doing surprisingly well). Also teaching 3 yoga classes. (When my students miss class, it’s usually because they are visiting a grandbaby. One of my classes is specially for cancer survivors and/or caregivers.) Sorry to hear that you were ill for a while and hope you are back to your usual “great balls of fire” self.

          • Baby

            Wow.. sounds fabulous.. You are a Go Gettin Woman..and sweet Mr. Lincoln stayin home to spoil your sweet doggie..when he doesn’t go with you to spoil you.

            Awww sweet doggie.. you teachin yoga classes.. But of course I knew there was a secret to you petite darling body.. ( I was going to say Tight Body, but I really sounded gay)

            I bet they adore you. . and what a lovely thing to do for cancer survivors and caregivers.. so special..

            I am 75% back.. I had 2 surgeries and although I am pooped and sleep a lot I catch up to life when I’m not..

            So glad you stopped in ..You know I love Mr. and Mrs. Lincoln.. xoxox baby

            • redfisch

              Baby! There you are! So glad that you are on the road to recovery! 75% for you is probably 110% for the rest of us, but get going ’cause HowdyCon is just around the corner. I’m looking forward to giving you hugs IRL, but for now you get virtual ones: ((((( )))))

            • Baby

              Thanks Red.. I am so excited to meet you.. I will take your hug and return it back to you sweetie… (((( ))))

    • SarahDB

      Wonderful pic Baby! Loving you all up and snuggling in…last two weeks of the semester and I’m procratinatin’ at the Bunker!

      • Baby

        Thanks Sarie.. 2 weeks of the semester.. You can do it with both hands tied behind your back. xo

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Oh Baby, what you said was all true. We just all clicked and yet remain different. Also have the same goals to educate about the cult. We have soooo much fun together and we can blame Tony Ortega’s Village Voice and Bunker for our happy family. Actually Bury is the Papa Bear and did all the footwork.

      We miss her here but she has a life to lead and is quite busy, Tho she doesn’t forget the Bunker and all her friends. I’m more on the early day schedule now and Baby seems to have the night shift.

      I’m happy to see others from here get to know each other and become friends, like at the Howdy event. All bunkerites are warmly loved and appreciated.

      • Baby

        100% correct Rev Mama Dee..

        Every single Bunkerue is special.. EveryOne.. xo

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I was waiting for you to comment on this because I know how much love there is between you ladies and when I saw Dee (& cried like a baby because she’s just amazing and comes across so genuine and raw!)

      For the record, I hated the idea of you stuck at home so sick. But the best was hearing about the girls weekend you had with Bury & Dee and to hear you sound revived and feeling so much better because those two were the best medicine for you! 😘

      • Baby

        Hi honey.. Dee is absolutely amazing. Strong woman . Thank you so much.. that was a terrible time in my life. But I am hanging in..

        I don’t have any friends on the island ( by choice ) so yes connecting with them has been a God send.

        CAn’t wait to meet you at HC Jeny.. You will love meeting everyone and will feel an instant connection.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          I truly can’t wait – esp you, lovely! And yes, I remember when we were first chatting and you were telling me about people here in the Bunker and your friends IRL. There were 4 people I knew of, thx to you, that were “safe” because you’d described them and Dee was one of the first!
          Xoxo

          • Baby

            xo yep

  • mandymarie20

    Just got a call from a guy who said he was calling for a “private non-profit drug addiction recovery center looking for addicted people needing help” but refused to say where he was calling from. I don’t suppose Narconon cold calls people?

    • Jimmy3

      I know someone who does that, but he’s not really trying to help them… he wants to, ya know, “help” them out…

    • Baby

      They have A stellar reputation MANDY.. I’m sure they wouldn’t do that..hahhahaha

    • MarcabExpat

      Thaaaaaaat’s interesting. How was he supposed to sign you up if he wouldn’t admit who you were signing up with πŸ™‚

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I think they might have told you once they believed you might be a potential customer. If anyone else gets a call maybe try to play it through for a bit more information. Or don’t because they’ll probably never stop calling you trying to get that sweet money “in exchange” for “curing” the addict who isn’t even there.

        • mandymarie20

          I was trying to feel it out a bit since I was leery it was Scientology related, but even asking multiple times what organization it was, he refused to tell me. Josh (I think that was his name) was however more than willing to say that even if there was no one in my household that needed help, could I please give them the information of other people, family, friends, coworkers, who might need it. Even if this wasn’t Narconon, it seemed incredibly shady.

          • April

            “Even if this wasn’t Narconon, it seemed incredibly shady.”

            Because it is. So shady you’d need to turn on a light switch in order to see anything.

    • madame duran

      Were you able to ID the incoming phone number or was it listed as “private”?

      • mandymarie20

        It was listed as “private”. That’s what made me nervous.

        • Missionary Kid

          That should have made you nervous.

    • Yes they do cold canvas. They all do.

  • Claire Swazey

    I’d love to know who the Seattleite was…

  • Baby

    OK.. Girls want to go to Starbucks.. off island.. I gave them my car and told them to ” Have At it..”

    Taking a short nap..yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn… love me.. I will come back to this post and read every comment.. when I can sneak back in .. it might be after they leave.. Cause every minute of their planning includes me.. xoo love b.

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      Enjoy the nap! Gotta have that beauty sleep πŸ˜‰

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Yahoo, Baby is back. Have a great time with the gran kids. Mama xx

      • Kim O’Brien

        you are famous and cool and awesome and a bad ass and i just followed you on twitter and OMG you were AMZING

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Thanks sweet lady!

  • nottrue
    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      That last comment, so so true.

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      Also in response to that last comment, this is what 15 million would get you pool-wise, with a cool five million left over. Enough to buy pool floaties for the millions upon millions of clams who would have flocked to Clearwater had the deal gone down.

      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tuYz-O_gwqs/maxresdefault.jpg

  • Will Tom rethink his move to Clearwater now that he sees his buddy Dave can’t control his town?

    • KimP

      Any chance that TC may see this as more of a reason to move there? Maybe since he is the second biggest being on the planet he can straighten out those eeeeeebil wogs down there since it was too much for John Travolta?

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      I’m trying to imagine what kind of message THAT would send. As if the failed deal wasn’t enough of a confidence shaker in DM and the church, a sudden change of heart in Tom’s moving plans would likely make for a serious embarrassment.

    • Dale

      Doubt it. For TC, Miscavige could stand on 5th Ave and shoot someone, and well you know the rest .

    • Missionary Kid

      I doubt it. Hopefully, when he lives in that close proximity to DM, he’ll get on his nerves.

  • nottrue

    DM made a big mistake saying he wanted that land for a new swimming pool for his zombies. He blow it. He couldn’t make it go right. Epic Fail for him. I can’t wait to hear what the excuse is going to be. They are wearing out the word bigot. Right now it’s Total Ignore tech. JAW and Gemma are silent

    • They are currently looking for the “Why?” and the “Who?”
      I bet JT is one in hot water for “Not Making It Go Right” when he was down there.

      • Jimmy3

        But he was in the right spot for having to go.

        • “On his safepoint mission to CW the only PR we get is pic of the CICS in front of a portajohn appearing on a SP site, CSMF!”

          • Jimmy3

            “This is your stand. Take them out, John. Show them a good time.”

            “…Stand out by the johns. Show them the time.. Got it.”

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He was too busy at the 24 hour gyms.

        • April

          And the Port-O-Potties.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      $cn is a judgemental and punishing Old Testament-style religion that refuses to listen to any excuse or reason for failing to make it go right. If you failed, then you pulled it in; and if you pulled it in, then you must have crimes…BIG crimes!

      So, lil davey, since you were in total and complete charge here, yet failed to make it go right, then YOU must have crimes…what are they? What are your crimes, huh? What did you do to pull in this huge failure? Come on now, ‘fess up ya little twerp!

      • Ann B Watson

        Tell it Sister! Yes dm what are your Crimes and how ever did You pull this in, Big OT Being that you are. Love you Harpoona. πŸ’›

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Does anybody know what percentage of the population $cions make in Clearwater?

    • Tony Ortega

      A few thousand Scientologists in a city of 110,000.

      • KimP

        Bet the sea org does wonders for the downtown statistics of the poverty level.

  • Jgg2012

    10 or 20 years ago I think Scientology would have prevailed and gotten the property.

  • BEETEE

    Do you think Miscavige is having a cow and beating someone up over this epic failure?

    • mandymarie20

      RPF is probably packed today

      • Taffy Sinclair

        They can always make room in the RPF’s RPF.

    • Liberated

      Do birds fly?

      • BEETEE

        LOL – touche’ my friend. … touche’

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Finally got o watch the city hall tape. Was perfect.

    • Jimmy3

      A lot of stars can’t watch their own work. I’m glad you can.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        It was hard hearing all the other commenters while there, so it was good. Hey, watched myself twice, since I have short memory, hah!

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Where can I see it? I tried w/ the link, but says I have no workable media player, or something like that….

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Me too at first, but I pressed a button to let me view it once and it worked.

  • mark

    Did anyone inside SCN, aside from top management, know that DM wanted the property? My guess is they did not so the failure will never be know to general SO population and public.

    • There are scientology public living in CW and around that will read the local paper. SO not so likely. Plus I’m sure some hill10 was created so staff had no time to look.

  • WhiteCentauress

    Kirstie retweeted a Mark Twain quote yesterday, “Buy land, they’re not making it anymore.”

    For some reason she’s not tweeting today….nothing…nada. πŸ˜‰πŸ‘

    • Todd Tomorrow

      She’s a mess.

      • WhiteCentauress

        That’s never stopped her from tweeting before. πŸ™„

      • Philbyification

        The “eyes” have it!

      • Liberated

        That’s one way to put it.

  • flyonthewall

    We shouldn’t be so cocky about this win. DM might have a backup plan so great, when he whips it out, it’ll hit us like a bag of dicks

    • flyonthewall

      LOL I’m sorry, I don’t know what’s wrong with me

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Really??

      • Liberated

        I thought it was funny.

        • flyonthewall

          i just wanted to say the last bit and had to come up with an excuse *shame*

      • Ann B Watson

        You are good, it is the evil cult of Scientology that is all bad.And if dm does pull something this 65 yr old lady will give him more than he wants to get. All his money means Nothing to me. His eyes are dead and he has no heart or soul to do what he did ,to grab power over 30 yrs ago now and keep hurting and destroying all that crosses his path. The damage to me was done yrs ago in the Sea Org, and dm is going to one day blow away in the winds of Truth Revealed far away and no matter how long the cult drags on Nothing will be the same for it. My Sea Change occurred the tide is turning…Love to you & yours Fly. 😘😘

    • Newiga

      DM sends his regards -> https://dicksbymail.com/

      • flyonthewall

        i am not clicking on that while at work but will make a note of it for later

        • Newiga

          *mischievous laughter*

      • Liberated

        Where do you find this stuff ?

    • Jimmy3

      Probably a bag of really small dicks tho. Not enough to hurt. Like, ah, that was slightly annoying. Stop that.

    • Juicer77
      • flyonthewall

        We used to have two mommy kitties who both had litters not that far apart from each other. When the kittens of one were old enough we found them homes, but mommy missed her babies so she would steal kittens from the other mommy and go hide somewhere with it. Other mommy would come and find her baby and bring her back. This cycle would repeat and repeat. So sad and cute.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Awwww so cute.

          • flyonthewall

            we did get the kidnapper fixed eventually FTR. Other one ran away before we could do her. πŸ™ She was a good kitty

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Is that prison slang? ‘hit us like a bag of dicks’?

    • JaxNGold

      Lol. Miscavige can eat a bag of dicks as far as I’m concerned.

      • flyonthewall

        like the whole bag at once or one dick at a time?

        • JaxNGold

          Preferably one dick at a time…for good measure and all that..

  • Kim O’Brien

    Poor Little DM . He must be really , really , really mad . Someone posted this on a Facebook page …to make a point .About something else ( obviously ) And I just think it fits for him for some reason ( refresh ) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b26ea65c3243f2c49036a2f354117d5b1e442143a66cacc9f817aa63b49e589e.jpg

    • He can’t find Shelly either, what else?

    • JaxNGold

      Hilarious, Kim! Miscavige couldn’t find the clitoris if the cult depended on it. He gets off on other things — like abuse and destruction of people.

  • Username

    Predictions:
    1- the loss will be spun as a win that they had other plans all along… hence the purchase of the other properties. They will say it was a nice to have, but DM has something better in store.
    2- it will never be talked about as a loss and those that talk about it will be punished.
    3- since this is the place Lwrong landed, I think they are committed to Clearwater as a spiritual Mecca. I don’t think they will leave town… unfortunately.
    4- Stall….they will try to sabotage and undermine the cities plans. They are too good at it and seem to enjoy it. this includes putting out misinformation about the contractors and elected officials doing an abysmal job and try to sway public confidence. They will then brag about all the wins in sabatoging the project to their membership.
    5- they will continue to victimize themselves and use the legal system to whine about petty issues… wasting time and money for the people of CW. They will try to continue to keep wogs off streets and feel unwelcomed.
    6- they will not spend any money on downtown CW storefronts or anything else. Why would they? It’s been like that for years. They want business as usual… hotel stays and auditing for outside guests too busy to go anywhere else or spend money while in downtown. They will have no interest in partnering with the city and now they have an excuse to behave badly. Victimized.
    7- they will take the new property in CW they just bought and build something “special” and useless to show members how great they are. They will keep selling CW as the first scion city. Probably build a new, exclusive center to launch OT 9.
    8- membership and auditing will come from wealthy, naive foreigners who believe they can buy status.
    9- Sea Org will continue to be heavily foreign. As the gap widens between the have and have nots in the world, coming to America for $50 a week slave will be an opportunity.
    10- tom will “visit” new condo when the new “OT 9 center” built or other huge, overdone hoopla. Otherwise, I don’t see him moving to town. CW is still a backwater by Tom and LA standards. People will see it as his career is slowing down.

    What can stop the Scientology train in CW?
    1- criminal conviction of DM… human trafficking and illegal visas seem the most likely given the current administration.
    2- Xenu calling DM up to a new plane of existence.
    3- ban Scientology as cult in foreign countries that feed membership

    Just needed to get that out of my head!

    • mandymarie20

      Scientology has always thrived when they have an ‘enemy’. Whether it was the IRS or German government or SP’s, having an enemy is what they live for. Clearwater has possibly just given them a new cause to rally around. I hope a fake pool for Scions isn’t worth fighting a war, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

      • Username

        Yes… I think you are right. Narcassits love to be the victim.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        That’s an excellent point to keep in mind! The cult’s fave new faux enemy is religious bigotry, which they see at work everywhere, unfairly victimizing their “beautiful religion” at every turn. It’s actually kind of a genius move on their part because, unless you’re careful in speaking to their bogus complaints, you can find yourself agreeing with its unstated premise, i.e., that $cn IS a real religion…which is just not a notion that we want to see spread.

        I think lil davey is going to back off this major loss and humiliating defeat and pretend it was no biggie, they now have better options anyhow. Personally, I think he covets a high-rise penthouse with an ocean view, just like his BFF is having built for him. That way they can retire in luxury and relative privacy, and have a place within walking distance to get oily together, then get their BTs waxed πŸ˜‰

        The bad thing about being a $cilon these days is that you’re pretty much looked upon as a social pariah, so it’s no wonder that everyone with money who’s in the cult for good (or, at least, so they say) is going to not just want to be, but NEED TO BE around their own kind in order to feel safe and comfortable, as the SPs grow in numbers and strength. Plus, all of the remaining celebs and whales are getting old, so what better place than CW to create a retirement community for well-off $cilons…call it, Thetan’s Rest πŸ˜‰

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Excellent Predictions.

      • Username

        Thanks Dee!!! I gave you a big shout out from San Diego last night!! Very inspirational! Thank you!

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Thumbs up!

    • Username

      I needed to add that the resolve, unity, and focus of the people of CW will also be one of the most important factors that influence the presence of Scientology in their community and shape the vision of their city.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      #7 made me think of a new OT 9 building since it is all glass and a beautiful piece.

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    Way to go Dee!

    You are an inspiration! I am so happy about all of this.

    So does Miscavige go into the hole for the poor job he did?
    To the top executives in scientology… it’s time to stage a coup d’etat, or are you too gutless?

  • John McGhee

    Dee, you were brilliant

  • denise

    I actually couldn’t get to sleep last night until I heard the vote….This is a step in the right direction for the folks of Clearwater..Scientology needs to GO! Let em move to the desert where all good cults go to feed upon themselves. Clearwater belongs to the people….

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Y’all know that stupid looking movie called Boss Baby? Look at the movie poster. Lil’ Tater Totz Miscarriage, all the way.

    https://www.cinematerial.com/media/posters/md/wm/wmhvzojg.jpg?v=1469829127

    • Ann B Watson

      Thank you Taffy. It does look like you know who!❀️

      • Taffy Sinclair

        the high-chair is sooo Apropos

        • Ann B Watson

          Perfect too! Now all we need is a playpen, a splashy pool and a leash! To rein him in! πŸ’ž

          • Taffy Sinclair

            A splashy pool is needed now more than eva!! Didn’t you know Clearwater took away Scamology’s pool plot??? Poor, poor baby Davey… πŸ™

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Normally, I would offer to nurse such a whiney baby, but he looks to be the biting type…..

    • Missionary Kid

      Change BOSS to COB, to make it COB BABY or the title to BOSS COB.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Boss COB, kinda like BOSS HOG!!!!

        • Missionary Kid

          I didn’t even think of that, but it works. Thanks.

  • littlefish

    Totally OT but I have to share the wackiness that just happened to me. Left fancy handbag job to grab a fizzy drink, and as I walked across the street I was accosted by a dude who I’m fairly certain was homeless but was 100% high as a kite. Without preamble, he yelled “buy me some food bitch,” and “welcome to hell” before throwing (more like an underhanded lob) a rock and pee covered garbage at me. So now all I can smell is pee every time I move my head and I have to work another 3 hours.

    • flyonthewall

      i think getting bum pee thrown on you would qualify you to go home early and take a shower

      • littlefish

        i wish. we’re an incredibly small staff (myself and 2 others) and neither of them can come cover (i checked).

        • flyonthewall

          umm you got bum pee thrown on you. Time to put up the closed sign, go take a shower and go back to work. Or at least find a fountain to splash in at a nearby park or something.

          • littlefish

            our shop neighbor gave me some fancy body spray & i lit a candle in the shop too

            • flyonthewall

              maybe you don’t understand. Let me rephrase. You. got. bum. pee. garbage. thrown. on. you. You. need. to. take. a. shower. Fuck. everything. and. everyone. else. Take. a. shower. now.

            • Rasha

              URL doesn’t work.

            • flyonthewall

              it’s edited, should work now

            • Rasha

              Fixed. Downloads started.

            • Jimmy3

              Ugh even the IP packets smell like bum pee

            • Rasha

              It’s gonna be a bum pee ride…..

            • Robert Eckert

              still says:

              This site can’t be reached

              you.got.bum.pee.garbage.thrown.on.you’s server DNS address could not be found.
              Search Google for you got bum pee garbage thrown
              ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED

              I’d “Search Google for you got bum pee garbage thrown” like it tells me, but I’m skeered

            • flyonthewall

              still hyperlinked? I edited and doesn’t show that way for me anymore. Sorry

            • Robert Eckert

              OK, so I Googled it and got linked to an article on the history of pooping in space. The things I do for you.
              http://www.popsci.com/brief-history-pooping-in-space#page-4

            • flyonthewall

              you are a good friend

            • Sherbet

              Welcome to Free-for-all Friday in the Bunker. All anecdotes 1/2 price through midnight. Bum pee anecdotes come with free appetizer.

            • flyonthewall

              those appetizers just don’t sound very appetizing for some reason

            • Sherbet

              Monkey poop anecdotes get you a coupon for your next visit.

            • Missionary Kid

              That is assault. If you see the guy around, call the cops. One whiff, and they’ll know you’re telling the truth.

    • Jimmy3

      I was kidding. I thought you’d recognize me :/

      • flyonthewall

        good one

      • Rasha

        It’s bad grammar not to have a preamble, James Jimothy Jimmy. You know this.

    • No preamble.
      What is the world coming to?

    • JaxNGold

      Wtf? Jesus…did this actually happen?? What a nightmare.

    • Sherbet

      I’ll buy the bag! Just stay…away…from…me.

  • nottrue

    Dee just goes to show you that 80 is the new 60 in this day and age

    • Baby

      I absolutely can NOT keep up with her.. I want her to find a date..and she says.. PPPPPPPfffffffft
      No one can take her late husband’s place..

      I get it.. I do.. xo

  • Baby

    OK.. wish me luck I’m off to go Roller Skating with my girls.. I will send a picture of me from the Hospital..

    • Todd Tomorrow

      When I broke my one arm in half at a Porsche dealer(long story) I had to go to months of physical therapy. What was really hard to see was the people who had decided to go ice skating and broke both of their wrists. It actually personally took me months to be able to unlock the front door to my house. Luckily, I can’t even imagine breaking both. Careful…
      Edit; Smoking makes our bones more prone to breaking and I was a big smoker for a long time.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I once asked a dealer the difference between a porshe and a porshe (pronounced porsha). He said “whether or not you paid in full!!”

        • Missionary Kid

          There is an episode of 2 1/2 Men where Allen buys a Porsche with money from his mother, and insists that everyone pronounce it Porsh-a. He plays obnoxious very well.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Nice!

      • Baby

        I’m posting my skating pictures when I finish up answering comments.. you’ll laugh I promise..

    • Ann B Watson

      Baby you are such a Gem. I did roller skating at eight and about killed myself, yet I could ice skate snow ski ride horses swim with no cares, but roller skating was my worst! Have a blast with your girls love you Baby. πŸ’–β€οΈπŸ’›

      • Missionary Kid

        Geez, that reminds me. I broke my left arm 60 years ago, on April 1st, roller skating. They took me home first to my mom (a nurse). She moved my wrist around and we heard something pop. When we got to the hospital, all they had to do was slap a cast on it after the x-ray. Supposedly, a green stick fracture on both bones.

        4 weeks later, I was catching for a friend who wanted to be a pitcher with that plaster of Paris cast. The strap across my hand pretty much crumbled. I was using a first baseman’s mitt to catch, and it hit that strap often. Boy, did that cast stink.

        • stillgrace2

          I have a valuable tip for stinky casts: stuff a dryer sheet a couple of inches down inside the cast and let it sit for awhile. It works! I get my left arm cast off Tuesday!

          • Kestrel

            I’m thinking they didn’t have dryer sheets 60 years ago. Heck, 60 years ago nobody in my family had a dryer.

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s a great tip, but there was no such thing as dryer sheets then, and I’ve known some people who are allergic to them. My mom had a ringer washing machine and we hung our clothes out on a line. Perhaps some of the baby wipes would do as well.

            I tell people that I have a solar clothes dryer, and they’re impressed, until I tell them that I use clothes pins. It’s so dry that I can put clothes out on the line at midnight, and they’re dry by about 8 the next morning.

        • ReallyMGM

          When I obliterated my foot four years ago the only good thing about it was my fabulous casts. Hot pink, neon green with fancy stickers. Otherwise it was the longest 3 months of my f’ing life.

          • Missionary Kid

            Ow! Foot injuries are the worst because in order to get around, walking is the best way, and the pain reminds you every time you get up. I’ve only had sprained ankles and toes, and they didn’t require a cast. I’m lucky, but I’ve helped people with broken feet and ankles. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, particularly when it gets hot in the summer time.

            At least modern casts are fiberglass, or they are air casts, which immobilize the foot and allow people to walk, and can be taken off when one is laying down.

            • ReallyMGM

              A midfoot (Lisfranc) is one of the worst breaks there is. Most pro athletes that have them never play again. That part of the foot is incredibly complex. I broke 5 bones and when I saw the exray, it made me want to throw up.
              I was told on day one I would have post traumatic arthritis and I do. I’ll never be able to wear heels again! I hate stairs now! (I fell on the bottom 4 at home)
              My casts were fiberglass and had a boot later. I could not put any weight on my foot for 3 months or I was risking surgery with screws, plates, wires……no, just, no.

        • Ann B Watson

          MK Ouch X I million. My wrist popped when I was 11 that was gosh 54 yrs ago?! My math is horrible 65 now so anyway my watch got caught on the stall door & when I shut it hard my wrist did a back flip. Not broken but cracked. Your cast does sound a stinker, but talking broken bones MK the worst was five yrs ago when I broke four ribs walking across the room from osteoporosis. That pain was Intense. Forget a touch assist I would have Melted the Auditor if the finger had touched me even once. The older I get sometimes blasts from the past pop up, Glad your Mom had her nurses training, my late Mom an eccentric frustrated artist who said put ice on it and have a cup of tea! I really enjoy your posts.πŸ’›

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m lucky that I have been active in my 40’s and 50’s. Unfortunately, I’ve been sitting too long in front of a computer lately, and need to get out and walk more. The last bone that I broke was over 30 years ago when I had a motorcycle accident and broke my collar bone. A full face helmet does a great job of protecting your face, but it tends to slam down on your collar bone.

            I quit playing volleyball in my 30’s because I was getting bursitis in my shoulder. I don’t have it now, thank goodness. I can eat all the salt I want, as long as I drink a lot of fluids because my BP is around 115/85. I picked the right parents for my health: I inherited some pretty good genes.

            • Ann B Watson

              You did MK, inherit pretty good genes. I am a walking example of one who should not be here, but here I am! I have to stay around and finish the life I started no matter what.And I am grateful & happy to try and do just that! 😘

      • Taffy Sinclair

        She is a gem!!

        • Ann B Watson

          β€οΈπŸ’Ž

      • Baby

        I finally have a chance to respond.. I will post a picture of me skating after I finish my comments.. OMG..ha

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I want to be yr daughter!!!

      • Baby

        Awwwwwwww… Well just put in for the adoption Taff..xoxoxo

  • Baby
    • Rasha

      Those belts are underrated.

  • nottrue
    • There is a TR (Training Routine) where they learn never to answer a question.

      • JaxNGold

        Isn’t their also a TR where they’re essentially taught to lie? Or is that just an ingrained value within the cult? Ya know…”acceptable truths” and all that.

  • flyonthewall

    A fucking escaped circus chimp just ran by and flung shit at me. I am literally sitting here with ape shit in my hair and ears and face and torso. Wtf. Guess I’ll just light some candles and spray some Axe body spray on myself. Oh Jesus! The Axe smells worse than the ape shit! Oh well. I get off work in like 3hrs, I can prob tough it out

    • Rasha

      *looks around*

      ….I got some hot dog water from, like, Tuesday. Want it?

      • flyonthewall

        no thnx, I’m not thirsty

        • Rasha

          *flings it at escaped circus chimp running by*

          • flyonthewall

            git ‘im!!

            • Rasha

              He smells like hot dogs now. Well, somewhat. But he’s still at large.

            • Sherbet

              It’s not MonkeyNuts, is it? That little scamp.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      It was no ape. It was my ex-boyfriend, Greg Wilhere. But I see where you would get confused. My Greg was never a hygienic man…

      • Ohh him! Yeah..

        • Taffy Sinclair

          I want to be done w/ him, but he just loves the oily table sooo goddamn much!! I call him Greggy-pooh. cornCOB hates it ever so much!!!!!

      • Tracy Schmitz

        wasn’t he TC’s first “cough cough” communicator? assigned to him on purpose and directly by DM?..

    • Shit happens!

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Does it ever!!!

        • if anything can go wrong, it will — Lucifer

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Occam’s razor???

            • not sure he he

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Murphy’s law! Yes, indeed.

            • Ah yes Murphy! there we go

            • Liberated

              Air mail !

            • Great stuff.. will answer tomorrow.. bed time

    • Jeb Burton

      I use Axe body wash, just try to keep the women away.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s all you’ll smell if there’s a crowd of teenage boys. UGH!

        • Sherbet

          I thought it was hormones.

          • Missionary Kid

            Axe tries to sell them on the idea that it contains pheromones that girls find attractive. It’s marketing bullshit. Boys think that if a little is good, more is better. Stinky.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        You mean you use Ace Body Wash because you’re “trying to keep women away.”

    • chukicita

      I was peed on by a lion once. F’real. Soaked.

      • flyonthewall

        ugh. Better than being eaten by him I guess

        • chukicita

          I suppose. It was really cold out, and my jacket was literally dripping. The zoo people came out with towels and apologies, but we were laughing too hard to care.

          • Sherbet

            It’s probably considered good luck, like when it rains on a bride. (Does that make you feel better? Probably not.)

            • chukicita

              It still makes me laugh.

            • Sherbet

              You know, Tony is no fool. He gives us a softball Friday night so we can entertain ourselves with questionable and irrelevant stories, while he’s off playing Paintball or sharing adult beverages with his journalistic cronies and otherwise slacking off. The Bunker needs no supervision. It’s a win-win.

            • chukicita

              As long as we don’t hit and clean our mess.

          • flyonthewall

            were you soaked besides just the jacket? I mean, if you took off the jacket, were you dry?

            • chukicita

              No. Jacket was open so he got my shirt, hair, pants and shoes.

            • flyonthewall

              Oh god. Did you go straight home and change/shower?

            • chukicita

              Of course not. There were only like ten people at the zoo because it was snowing. We walked through the cat house and this male backed up against the bars and let a giant spray. All the cats were inside because it was cold. Plus we were high as kites.

            • flyonthewall

              what the?? Am I the only person here who feels the need to shower after being urinated and/or defecated on!? You’re all crazy

            • chukicita

              Well we walked around for about an hour before Going home. But then I took a shower.

            • flyonthewall

              *sigh* For me, that would of been it. Leisure time would of been over, everything stops now. Did you see down thread how littlefish got pee soaked garbage thrown on her by a bum and she stayed at work to finish her shift? Maybe I’m the crazy one? idk

            • chukicita

              Yes, and if that had happened to me I’d still be in the shower. But this was a lion. And he wasn’t screaming at me. And this was a poopless scenario.

            • flyonthewall

              but why is a lion better? Pee is pee

            • chukicita

              I’m not sure. It may have had something to do with the being high as kites.

            • flyonthewall
      • PerpetualOutflow

        I hear it’s really hard to get that smell out, no? and they supposedly have quite a range with their, um, hose.

        • chukicita

          Had to throw out the clothes. Even the socks. And yes, the range was like the trajectory of a projectile hurled with gusto. Or like your name πŸ˜€

    • Jimmy3

      You should stay late and collect some overtime, you lazy bastard.

      • flyonthewall

        but the chimp…poop…in my hair *sigh*

        ok πŸ™

        • Sherbet

          Sniff, sniff. Do not try to tough it out. Hit the shower.

          • flyonthewall

            I’m sorry, no I can’t. We’re a very small staff, just me and two other employees, and they can’t come in. I’m just gonna have to sit here covered in ape shit.

            • Sherbet

              What a trouper you are.

    • That chimp’s a foo!

  • Jeb Burton

    We were walking in Downtown St. Pete to get a drink, and we walked by the St. Pete Scientology Welcome Center on 1st ave. n, and there was an old guy there in his cult garb, had a e-meter and pamphlets on the table out front. I walk by here every Friday when we go to have drinks, first time I seen this old guy, had to be about 70 and first time they had the e-meter on the sidewalk table. Its usually an elderly lady when I walk by who just says hi with pamphlets on a table. I have a question, whats the difference of the welcome center and the ideal orgs?

    • They welcome you and the Org’s keeps you

    • chukicita

      Ideal orgs you can fundraise for a lot longer.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Welcome centers bait the con, the Idle Morgues are there to run it to its End Phenomena (EP), which means that you are dead, flat broke busted and in debt up to your eyeballs. Once you’re busted and in massive debt, you’re eligible to sign your otherwise worthless life over to the cult to be worked and treated like a dog for the next billion years…sound good?

      • chukicita

        Sign me up!

  • nottrue
    • chukicita

      Xenu World Order!

      • Observer

        Haha!

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Heya obs, my fellow MST3K lover!!! someone suggested I ask you to shoop my face w/ a Howdycon ad. You game?

          • Observer

            I’m only shooping the people Tony asks me to. He’s the one posting them, not me. As I said earlier, I don’t have time to take requests from Bunkeroos. That would be a full-time job, and I already have one of those.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              NP

        • chukicita

          I made an album by that name once. Ethercat had it on her website.

    • chukicita

      I love how there is an actual spiral on the planet in the image.

      • MarcabExpat

        Yeah somebody does not understand how cyclones actually work.

        • chukicita

          That’s what that is? I thought it was a drain. You know, the downward spiral.

          I must be all restimulated. Oh well, it’s Friday.

          • Sherbet

            That’s the world spiraling downward. lrh was being literal with us.

            • chukicita

              Please don’t make me do that in clay.

            • Sherbet

              Scientologist: I feel nothing but doom and hopelessness based on the evil intentions of the psychiatric industry, particularly, the 12 men behind the destruction of the world as we know it.
              Auditor: Clay demo it.

          • MarcabExpat

            That’s HURRICANE LEAH BABY.

            • chukicita

              Or maybe Hurricane Dee!

    • Rasha

      I wish they would share our plans for ruining society and making a one world government with us. I’m busy on the 22nd.

      • chukicita

        They could at least share the PowerPoint. Or do a webinar.

    • chukicita

      “Find out what the top suppressives are working on to ruin our society today.”

      Hey. I’ve busted my silky ass, clawing my way up the suppressive career ladder. I show up every damn day at SPHQ to work. I sit through logistics meetings you would not believe. There is tremendous and increasing pressure to create and implement new societal sabotage.

      The stats for initiatives and expected ROI is straight up and vertical. If I had a cartoon mustache, I’d be twirling it.

      • Rasha

        XD

        • chukicita

          And somebody better ranger up and get my paperwork together so I can get my back pay from Big Pharm before I start cracking skulls. I haven’t seen a check in…ever!

    • Bilderberg and Butternubs

      • chukicita

        Bless you. *hands tissue*

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Cringe!

    • chukicita

      Who are the 12 angry men?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      It’s great to hear that there are only 12 men left in $cn in Joburg! I hope they enjoy their special briefing πŸ˜‰

      “Refreshments will be served” Of course there will be…there’s always a big punch bowl filled with Kool-aid – which is never, ever grape-flavored – at all such “special briefings”.

    • chukicita

      Refreshments will be served! What does one offer at a desperation-themed logistics meeting for the brass in the rebellion against mental health science?

    • Liberated

      She was head of CC, her story is heartbreaking….she was thrown into the RPF during her pregnancy and the abuse she withstood is well, too much to bear.
      Just when you think you’ve heard it all…..well you haven’t.

    • Liberated

      Sorry nottrue, my below comment was meant for centauress.
      These cats are driving me nuts, it’s their fault.

  • Observer

    Nancy Many’s show is being rerun on ID right now.

    • WhiteCentauress

      Who is she? I googled her, but couldn’t find anything.

      • Observer
        • WhiteCentauress

          Thank you. Off to read it.

        • WhiteCentauress

          QUOTE from you four years ago…….”Davey must feel like Captain Hook … he can hear the ticking of the clock but he can’t see the crocodile. Only in his case there are
          hundreds of crocodiles, and they’re getting closer and closer.” You were funny then, too.

      • Liberated

        I just posted an answer to nottrue it was meant for you.

        • WhiteCentauress

          Thanks. Just read her story. Horrifying to be pregnant during the RPF.

    • HTC

      I know just stumbled onto it never saw before

  • WhiteCentauress

    LRH didn’t anticipate Leah.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • chukicita

      I bet this story is even better from the drunk guys point of view.

      I was arguing with the bus driver and this lady came over and started poking me and asking if I could feel her finger…

    • HTC

      How utterly ridiculous

      • Jimmy3

        No, I buy it. A Scientologist and a drunk being in full comm. They are speaking the same language. It’s not hard to believe.

        • Sherbet

          When the rest of the passengers found out there was a scientologist on board, they all got off the bus and stood in the middle of the highway. “Nope, not gonna listen to that crazy crap on Christmas Eve.”

    • Observer

      I don’t think any normal person has called someone a fellow in at least 40 years.

      • chukicita

        Learned English with a 1956 dictionary.

      • Sherbet

        I think it was a Lafayette favorite, though.

      • i prob would’ve gone with ne’er–do–well but what do i know

        • Observer

          I’m partial to rapscallion.

          • Miscreant! Mountebank! Shitweasel!

      • flyonthewall

        That’s not true. Just the other day I sai..oh wait, you said normal person. Nevermind

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          Aw dayum i shoulda known to read for fly or j3 comment before opening my abnormal flapper

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        *excitedly raises hand* i have i have! Oh wait u said normal.

    • Sherbet

      “Thank you so much for what you did.” And then he left me in the middle of the freeway for groping a fellow passenger.

      It’s a sweet story.

      • Bob Crouch

        Now if only someone had administered the buzz kill assist to raving drunk/druggie Hubbard, he would have known when to shut up. And what a relief that might have been for us all!

        • Sherbet

          If only the psychiatric community had taken him up on his request for help with his mental demons. We’d have nothing to talk about in the Bunker, though.

          • Bob Crouch

            Well, later in life he had his own clandestine psych treatments with Vistaril anyway. Which means that either his quack “tech” did not work, or he was too bonkers for his own remedy. Or more likely, both!

            • Sherbet

              By the time he died, I’m sure he was, indeed, technically speaking, “bonkers.”

        • WhiteCentauress
      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Laugh !

    • ends almost exactly like that time a drunkard wanted to tussle w/ a former UFC/mma fighter outside a WalMart

      here’s a link to the video ( no actual violence and a happy ending )
      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2703159-drunk-person-confronts-mma-fighter-outside-a-walmart-and-the-unexpected-happens

      • WhiteCentauress

        What a cool guy. He could have punched his lights out, but chose to defuse.

    • Jimmy3

      Just realized that’s the same “Who invented bodies?” lady. More from her! Always!

      • Sherbet

        Another good reason not to travel Greyhound.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          What?!

          • WhiteCentauress

            Bus.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yep. it’s her!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Is, ‘the $cientology TOUCH ASSIST’ like the one Travolta does with his mouth? Didn’t realize how many different kinds existed.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • agreed

      eti: hmmm, i wonder if he did personality test basic training in Hollywood before being re-stationed at iDeal Valley? i should go ask.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Do it! πŸ™‚

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • tl;dr

      too much Jesus and not enough yelling at ashtrays for my liking

      (kidding)

    • iampissed

      You are the master of….wait for it.
      ETA: I thank you for that.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Her dated, canned response is very 1950’s, and very Hubbard: if she went to “another woman’s husband’s house” to “talk business,” rumors would spread that she was having an affair? Come on, how arrogant and misogynistic! Who owns the house? The husband. Who does business? The husband. (She also assumes the rumored affair would be with the husband not the wife. I would have loved to see the scientologists’ faces if they were asked who the rumored affair was with.)

    • madame duran

      Kudos to this woman for taking the time to engage with this Scientologist in a respectful way. Her conversation gleaned a lot more information than had she abruptly ended it all with “Get your damn cult out of my face!!” (while I understand the sentiment, the harsh response won’t likely plant seeds of doubt or critical thinking but rather confirm the cultist’s perspective of a “wicked, lost” world). If I’m not genuinely busy or not in a bad mood, I try to engage with cultists in a meaningful way. It may be the only time that whole day/week where someone treats these poor souls like a human being.

      “Do you believe in Scientology…?”
      A bit puzzled by that question. I would’ve asked the Scientologist to explain what s/he meant (hmmm…do you think they’d pull out a dictionary on the spot?). Scientology PR routinely tells people that, unlike other religions, Scientology isn’t based on a belief; it’s an “applied philosophy”. So the question, from a Scientologist perspective, is a bit weird. Does belief in this case mean “to accept (without question)”? Have faith in Hubbard and his words? Use Scientology principles daily? Anyway, it’s just a talking point worth expanding on.

      “She said: I was a psych major and this [Scientology] just seemed to fit my beliefs”
      Well, that’s quite interesting!!
      Also, which beliefs is she talking about–her previous Catholic beliefs or her beliefs as a psych major? Either way, I’d be curious of how she found compatibility between the two.

      Loved the way this person turned the same questions BACK on the Scientologist (“What do you do for a living?”; “Do you believe in Jesus…that he was born, died and rose again to save us from our sins?”). The barrage of questions–which weren’t rude at all–interrupted the scripted cult think and almost caused the body router’s brain to short circuit! Scientologists are conditioned to not tolerate two-way conversations and only seek to control the flow of dialogue. In open discussion, every speaker is given equal opportunity to voice their thoughts and to hear other points of view. Opinions or claims can be challenged. Equality, free thought, criticism…these are not the ideal traits nurtured by totalitarian groups. Understandably, Scientologists are only interested in disseminating Scientology and recruiting others. They veer away from examining stories of abuse or contradictions within Scientology. Their stated purpose is to “clear the planet”, not engage in reasoning or debates. This curious “target”, however, put a spoke in the Scientologist’s wheel!

      This conversation also reveals that God–or any notion of a deity–isn’t central to Scientology (I’d say God is non-existent). Non-Scientology beliefs are considered to be “other practices” and Scientologists from those backgrounds are expected to shed those beliefs as they spiritually advance within Scientology. The claim that “you can be a follower of [name of religion] and a Scientologist” is absolutely false.

      Twenty-five years of marriage and not a single disagreement during that time? Sorry, that’s not a real relationship. But of course, life with Scientology is always PERFECT! There’s no mention of whether she was a Scientologist at the time her first marriage ended or how much time she spends with her husband compared to the time invested in working for/studying Scientology on a weekly basis. I think I would’ve brought up Tom Cruise’s three failed marriages at that point and then ask how that translates as “success” in personal relationships.

      I thought this conversation was a real gem. Very productive in that it brought light to cult behaviour and that the informed person didn’t fall for Scientology’s bait. Bravo!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • WhiteCentauress

      These are all gems.

    • ReallyMGM

      Yeah, there not out running for cardiovascular health reasons. its for their life.

    • iampissed

      Wouldn’t it be fun the have Call Me signs on the the side of your car, with an add on FREE RIDES.
      and just troll up and down the road.

  • Jo Blo

    Long time lurker here. Never in the “church”. Made an account just to comment on Dee Findlay. Ms. Findlay, you possess wisdom and character in an abundance most people will never experience, especially considering the unique circumstances of your life and involvement in Scientology. Your heartfelt and honest speech dovetailed perfectly with the unanimous decision last night of the city of Clearwater. Another bellwether for Miscavige and Co no doubt. The plughole is circling faster than ever. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

    Thank you Mr. Ortega for your measured daily insight and dedication to bringing light to the practices of the “church”. I am not one to succumb to hyperbole but it seems you will remembered long after we all turn to dust as THE expert on journalistic inquiry of the organization from the mid-nineties to the present day. Almost without exception any relevant story, fact, or rumor originates and is commented on, or debunked from here. I have lost count the “media exclusives” that, for want of a better word, plagiarize The Underground Bunker.

    To my fellow Bunkerites: Thank you for the warmth, kindness, understanding, and humor you bring each and every day. Take care everybody.

    • flyonthewall
    • chukicita

      Thanks for stopping in! C’mon back now, hear?

      • iampissed

        Um….ya hear.

        • chukicita

          Y’all

    • OOkpik

      Great post, Jo.
      Now that you have an account, I hope you will join the party and comment often. You are so welcome.

    • iampissed

      I was going to welcome you and I do….but I remembered I needed to F5.

    • Rasha

      *skootches on bunker sofa*

      Hey! ^_^

    • TexasBroad

      Welcome JoFlo! That was an absolutely lovely entrance into the Bunker. I hope someone passed you a glass of champagne, dusted the popcorn off the chaise and invited you to sit.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Beautiful entrance, Jo.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome! Well said.

  • chukicita

    I feel like such an airhead – Aaron Smith-Levin was interviewed by Rob Lorei at WMNF in Tampa yesterday on his midday show, and I didn’t know about it until just now! There’s a podcast here, going to listen: http://www.wmnf.org/aaron-smith-levin/

    • Juicer77

      Thx for the reminder. I am catching up, too!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • WhiteCentauress

      He flew out to Los Vegas to “recover” a Scientologist, then he “successfully handled him.” So they have bounty hunters now? That’s just too creepy! For that he gets a big, if poorly-made certificate. You can smell the desperation.

      (I can only guess what “ML, D of P HCG 1 LAO” means…)

      • madame duran

        Watch or listen for what happens to Pablo when the retrieved Scientologist blows again (or worse, becomes a liability within the organization). His reputation will be trashed and he’ll be sent to Ethics for punishment.

    • Observer

      Boooo!

      • The fonts! They burn!!!!

        • Sherbet

          When you guys go to HowdyCon and you’re posting pictures of the festivities, could you refrain from doing the thumbs-up sign? Scientology has spoiled it for me forever.

          • Jimmy3

            Because the best way to get a bunch of drunken trolls to not do something you dislike is to give them plenty of advance warning.

            • daisy

              methinks you are right

          • I refuse to believe you won’t be there. I’m stubborn that way.

    • abdaman

      Wow, he basically gets an award for kidnapping someone

      • Sherbet

        “On his own origination.”

      • ExCult.Jan

        Didn’t leave a single exclamation point for you.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I like how they say “in plain sight”, like even other clams would find it hard to believe that you’d want people to see that crap! This is her company: http://www.inf-ind.com/about-iic/
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba5d9ed615dfc3b2736545090c149f6615692ec0027a883497124ef47c3c65b1.png

    • Sunny Sands

      Until you get sued for pushing your religion on your employees.

      • Jimmy3

        I was just recommending books that happened to be on my bookshelf… in a sales display rack…

    • iampissed

      Kindle anyone….Oh we don’t do that anymore.

    • Supper Powers

      Lynette make boom-boom.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Observer

      She is artistically diarrhetic

    • Jimmy3

      Don’t Stay Artisitically Constipated! When It Finally Comes Out, It’s Gonna Be Shit Anyway!

      • Jimmy3

        I am all jammed up inside. I feel so stuffy I can’t think. This is too terrible to be borne.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It’s a clam thing. Have you ever heard X-ray Poetz? http://www.xraypoetz.com/about.html
        By comparison, she’s Maria Callas. I’ll spare you their rap about Charlie Chaplin, but here is another winner…
        https://youtu.be/RAJLnlfyNRE

        • Jimmy3

          I’ll take that early cremation now

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            The short guy is also a CO$ motivational speaker!

            “David Carus is a motivational speaker, bestselling author, recording
            artist and entrepreneur. He studied Government at Georgetown University
            in Washington, D.C. and worked on Capitol Hill with plans of one day
            being President of the United States.
            His love for art and books
            inspired him to take a slightly different path and he began performing
            spoken word poetry and rapping. After college he started Salad Bowl
            Records and recorded hip hop music in his hometown of Salinas,
            California. He taught English at his old high school and found himself
            at the forefront of a battle over standardized testing and led an
            educational movement that resulted in district wide changes and
            catapulted him into a run for public office. At the age of 25 he became
            the first rapper in U.S. history to run for Congress.”

        • Jimmy3

          Is the guy shitting on American culture wearing a red white and blue Superman t-shirt, or is that just the meth I’ve been smoking?

        • MarcabExpat
      • WhiteCentauress

        Joy Villa, Scientologist…..from her pierced tongue to her tattoos. She is never artistically constipated.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf89d305b64ee7d18fce29b473639604514cb9b8c68165223b0c38266c8104f2.png

        • John Prince

          Somewhere there’s a Hungarian Circus Performer desperatly Searching for her Costume

    • WhiteCentauress

      Always classy!

  • flyonthewall

    Bunker smells like R Kelly’s sheets

    • Supper Powers

      I just gagged. Iww.

      • flyonthewall

        what be lww meanin?

        • Supper Powers

          Eeww. Yuck just spelled differently in my native tongue.

          • flyonthewall

            what is your native tongue?

            • Supper Powers

              Semi-illiterate, but genuine.

            • flyonthewall

              why don’t you get a new avi? I think you just like to disturb me

            • Supper Powers
            • flyonthewall

              this is acceptable

            • Supper Powers

              It’s Slenderman for avis.

            • Supper Powers

              And what I think J3 truly looks like.

            • Jimmy3

              Wrong. I don’t wear turtlenecks.

            • flyonthewall

              he’s evil. I like it. Just don’t get ideas like luring one of us to the woods and stabbing us to death for Slenderman but we barely live and claw our way to the road and get rescued by a kind passerby while you are trapsing through the deep woods looking for Slenderman’s cabin and you freeze to death in the middle of the night while a massive manhunt is underway for you and they find your frozen corpse at dawn. Don’t get that idea

            • Supper Powers

              Aw, c’mon, man! You suck so bad.

    • Jimmy3

      I see you been poppin tags
      http://youtu.be/QK8mJJJvaes

      • flyonthewall

        pissssss

      • Supper Powers

        I am old and unwise. I learn from young ones. That was a great show.

        • Jimmy3

          I only posted it to make it less awkward to ask if I can have your hand-me-downs.

          • Supper Powers

            Awesome. You’re making old lady fashion sails for the boat?

    • WhiteCentauress

      I know that’s probably funny, but I can’t figure out why. πŸ€”

      Edited to say: googled R Kelly, now it’s funny. πŸ˜‚

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      So glad i’m not an underage girl trapped in the closet with r. Kelly. Urine gives my skin a rash. Uhhhh, i’m presuming.

  • flyonthewall

    Jimmy used to play pro watersports until he got ejected for unnecessary roughness

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Observer

      Scientology: winning friends and influencing people

      • Sherbet

        We WILL improve your life whether you like it or not.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        And waking up their infants.

  • MarcabExpat

    *sigh* I’ve been trying all day to make a clip of Dee at the meeting (well, I have been doing other things too, but y’know). I give up, at least for now. Can’t manage to get a copy of the source that isn’t messed up. My apologies to those I promised it to. If I can get some time on Sunday I’ll have another go.

  • Observer
    • Supper Powers

      That’s better than a Hallmark for her!

      • Observer

        IKR?

        • Rasha

          Synchronized Rock ‘n Roll Swimming conquers all……. *tear*

          • Observer

            Even giant lobsters!

    • WhiteCentauress
    • Rasha
    • WhiteCentauress

      I love seeing Chinese swimmers, divers and gymnasts. This was great.

      • Sherbet

        I think this is the pool Dave was going to build in Clearwater. It comes with a built-in creepy creature to drag the unsuspecting into the dark hole of scientology.

        • Rasha

          Oh, you….

          …but nice analogy. ^_^

          • Sherbet

            What analogy??

            • Rasha

              ……. oh.

              …..Yeah…..

              o.O

            • Sherbet

              πŸ˜‰

        • WhiteCentauress

          I thought of Dave when I saw those two little girls being “coached”. I was sorta hoping the crab would give him a pinch.

          • Sherbet

            Dave would have said, “You’re effing c-sucking mermaids, FFS.”

            • WhiteCentauress

              All that money and power and he’s still miserably unhappy.

      • Observer

        It’s Japanese…

        • Sherbet

          Hai!

        • Rasha

          Still……. -_^

        • WhiteCentauress

          That, too. πŸ˜‰πŸ‘

  • Prim

    Chris sheltons head is a little too big.

  • Sherbet

    Well, I guess I’ll sign off and watch The Tonight Show and see who Jimmy Fallon is fawning over tonight. Ciao Bunkies.

    • Rasha

      *puts throw over Sherb and turns the volume down juuuust a little bit….*

      • Sherbet

        While you’re up, could you switch to Colbert instead? Thanks.

        • Rasha

          *click*

        • daisy

          Fallon is so talented . He can miimck any singer out there, he has a few bits but in general for some reason his talk is just not funny . His interview style just not interesting no matter who he is talking to . I miss Letterman so .

          • Liberated

            Let’s start a channel….bunker tv.
            You get your own show.

            • daisy

              I am not telegenic . I cannot insult people unless I am behind the safety of a keyboard.

            • Liberated

              I just turned on Colbert….and he played a clip of Alex Jones, do you know who that guy is ?
              God, he is freakin’ crazy, he’s in a custody fight w/his wife ( image not wanting your kids w/him )
              and he says he smokes pot to test the potency and then when it’s too strong he blames a rich liberal guy. True.
              I guess my point is….I can’t believe he’s not had a stoke, he doesn’t talk….HE SCREAMS !

            • daisy

              I saw. This is the guy who Trump gets his new from SMH.

            • mandymarie20

              He’s a Conspiracy Theorist / 911 Truther / Thinks Sandy Hook was a false flag. Not sure how many people believe this guy in actuality or just watch him as a joke, but he has done us the ‘favor’ of warning us of things like the U.S. government manipulating the frog population.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKvl5VQVkY

            • Liberated

              He is certifiably crazy…what’s so bad is that he has influence over people and people believe that crazy stuff.
              Trump talked to him the night he won, and promised to be on his radio show.
              Yeah, I was worried about those frogs…

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He says that the water is ‘ turning frogs gay.’ He also hangs out with that bitch, Vivian Kubrik. She’s a perfect postcard for $cion’s disconnection policy. At one time she’d show up at her family’s funerals with a handler now she doesn’t even bother showing up.

            • Liberated

              Yeah, V Kubrick is a whack job….but at least we know to steer clear of those gay frogs.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I adopted a couple and you should see how quickly that went to work redecorating their aquarium.

            • Liberated

              Good one !

            • ExCult.Jan

              Added telegenic definition to my Oxford Bunker Dictionary.

          • redfisch

            Hell, I miss Johnny Carson.

          • Betty

            I miss Leno.

    • ReallyMGM

      I like him when Justin Timberlake is on. Or that time he sang with Jack Black.

    • ReallyMGM
      • Supper Powers

        JACK BLACK IS MY CELEBRITY CRUSH!!! I heart him so hard.

        • ReallyMGM

          I have still not forgiven my daughter for not taking me to the Tenacious D concert with her.

          • Supper Powers

            Oh yeah, I’d straight up ground her for that shit.

    • Qbird

      Hiya Sherb ~ that giraffe, April, finally had her baby! Oh look!
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18bbfa906f95f2e7f9259b9e1eebef7c281801c305d137fe7cb958d82c38458a.png

      oh yes… one of the weirdest critters on earth. XD

  • Rasha

    Rasha’s working the weekend shift, so it’s off to sleepy times. I got my Rock ‘n Roll / Synchronized Swimming / Giant Lobster fix. (AWESOME OBS!) Night, Bunks. ^_^

    • Todd Tomorrow

      G’night:)

  • iampissed

    Friday in the Bunker.

    • WhiteCentauress

      A troll dropped by, but no fun at all. πŸ‘€

      • iampissed

        I’ll have to scroll down. Or not.

      • Liberated

        You mean that Prim idiot ?

        • WhiteCentauress

          Yes.

    • Liberated

      Where I am it’s Saturday….happy earth day !

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    ** β€œWhen checks came in, I would write down who wrote them, and I was also turning over addresses and amounts to the church,” she says. Tenney lost re-election. **

    I sure would like to see the OSA , oh yes the reformed GO, programs which were written on the Tenny lost re-election. Who knows exactly what was done but it probably included hubbard’s advices on both noisey and quite investigations to manipulate the citizens into not voting for him. This is why I keep saying scientology is largely a political organization.

  • Dave Reams

    Marty Rathbun – hope you feel better soon.

    Subject of Scientology film: Louis Theroux used ‘morally bankrupt tactics’
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/apr/21/louis-theroux-my-scientology-movie-mark-rathbun

    • John McGhee

      Apostate turned apostle; Marty just likes turning. Didn’t he get enough $ whilst on the take, without resorting to giving petty stories likes these.

      • Marshall

        Totally OT – I’ll be visiting Dublin in June for two days. Any recommendations on which is the best neighborhood to stay in? Will be by myself so safety is an issue and want to be able to access transportation. Thanks John!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Just avoid a certain priest with a Boston accent. He’s been thumbing his nose at US law enforcement for years. A serial pedophile he was last spotted staying at a family’s house with two young boys whom was never told off his prior history by the Catholic church that placed him there.
          Seriously, you’ll have a great time and I don’t remember there being any really unsafe areas.

        • John McGhee

          Stay as close to the city centre as possible, Marshall; try to get the immediate city centre and preferably the south side of the river liffey; proportion of smack-heads is less there. Feel free to give me a shout if you are at a loose end there.

          • Marshall

            Thanks so much. Going to try and finish my plans this weekend.

    • mandymarie20

      Why is this a story now? If I didn’t see Tony’s quote in the piece, I might be inclined to think Scientology had placed this story. I’m very curious about how the author picked up on this story.

      • The story says Marty spoke with them the week before.
        If so, Marty has continued and renewed his attacks.

        • Robert Eckert

          Tony said a closer reading was that the Guardian called Marty, not the other way around. Why they are pursuing this old news now is mysterious.

          • Yeah, I didn’t assume that Marty called them.
            But he did repeat his party line, no?

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Did any of you hear about this? News to me.

    Louis Theroux said police came to his home in the U.K. after a call made by the church in response to β€˜My Scientology Doc.’

    Louis Theroux, the British broadcaster behind My Scientology Movie, a documentary prying into the secretive nature of the church and numerous allegations of abuse, has discussed his ongoing interactions with the organization a year after making the film.

    Speaking during a Q&A at the Sheffield Doc/Fest over the weekend, the BBC journalist described how police officers came to his door in the U.K. following a call by the local branch of the church who said Scientology representatives were β€œworried you might get hurt.”

    β€œThey said someone had seen your film and they really didn’t like it and had phoned [the Church of Scientology] with a threat,” he told the audience, adding β€œsomething about that really doesn’t make sense.” The exact nature of the threat wasn’t clear.

    Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter following My Scientology Movieβ€˜s world premiere at the London Film Festival last year, Theroux said he was well aware of the church’s tactics and that his β€œlife could be turned upside down” if it chose to aggressively come after him.

    He also added that were his film to get a release in the U.S., he thought the response from the church could get β€œbigger.”

    As it happens, My Scientology Doc, Theroux’s first theatrical feature, is now set for a U.S. launch, having been picked up by Magnolia last month. Altitude will release the film β€” directed by John Dower, produced by Simon Chinn (Searching for Sugar Man) with funding from BBC Films and BBC Worldwide β€” in the U.K.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/british-scientology-doc-maker-says-902216

    • OOkpik

      It sure sounds like a thinly veiled threat “laundered” through the cops, doesn’t it?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Just seems odd for lack of a better word.

    • JaxNGold

      This had to be one of the most ridiculous attempts by $cientology to pretend to care. I remember when Tony mentioned this a while back.

      They were “worried” Louis “might get hurt”?? Oh, please. As if they give a shit about anyone getting hurt, much less someone who’s made a critical documentary about them.

      Absolutely agree with Ookpik — this was a poorly veiled threat from $ci to Louis.

      • Ann B Watson

        They do pretend to care Jax so many years ago 1977-1978 during my worst last years in the Sea Org the Guardians Office pulled that on me all the time as in you will do,all the conditions for the upteenth time and eat cold beans and dogs and be shunned by your Sea Org team for things I never did, because they Cared So Much About My Welfare and they only wanted to Help me see I had pulled all this in. And may I ask why then was I never allowed to tell my side of things. Just Sec-check me to death on what list and why? Of course no answer to that. I do enjoy your posts.❀️

    • madame duran

      β€œThey said someone had seen your film and they really didn’t like it and had phoned [the Church of Scientology] with a threat”

      Someone watches Theroux’s film and “didn’t like it”. Does the “it” refer to the film, the Church of Scientology or Louis himself? So vague.

      If someone was angry enough to go out and harm Theroux, why would they contact the cult about it (unless the person is a current member of Scientology)? No names of suspects, no disclosure of what the threat entailed, no investigation into the claim…just a random warning that something bad could happen at some point by somebody. And the police officers can’t verify anything? Were those officers real or posing as such? Bizarre.

      Clearly an intimidation tactic. The Scientology cult is scared and on the defense. Keep a journal of all these strange events, Louis. You might have enough material for a second Scientology movie.

      • Ann B Watson

        Good points all madame duran. Thank you.πŸ’“

  • TheMirrorThetan

    I see the baby eagle is back in the nest. Cuddled up with his bro. Cute.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e053493a65e755864a377ec2bea7201f0fa13c899ba961b6634d1738b59b8a40.png

  • Juicer77
  • Juicer77

    Worth a read… “Are You Still In The Cage?” http://jwsurvey.org/the-friday-column/friday-column-still-cage

  • TheLesso111 .

    This is one of the first times that i can recall where David Miscavage was personally involved in an operation. He usually delegates these things to his lackies and then blows his top when they fail. DM personally pitched clearwater and the business members and still he failed to get this deal made. A big failure that can be directly placed on the COB’s shoulders…..now the only question in the face of this overwhelming blunder? What are his crimes?

  • Silence of the Clams

    Thats one small step for Clearwater….one giant step for sanity

    • Missionary Kid

      Perfect.

  • Stephanie Loving

    Oh Ms. Dee Findlay — what a great uplift, what a great story. You have always been such an important and honest commentator here at Mr. Ortega’s site. I always want to hear what you have to say. And oh wow. You knocked it out of the park (we could go on and on with similes) re your appearance in Clearwater. I love the passion and oh yeah the CLEARness of your presence and what you had to say. Yes you did gather it together and then kaboom. Wow Ms. Dee. My admiration … I love the picture Mr. O posted, you are firing on all cylinders there in Clearwater. I see your ache to make it right. Thank you so so much for your braveness. To you and all of the “ins” who have suffered and tried to help and love and support and understood all the “folks who are still on the ins and outs”. What a difference this place makes. You all know what I mean … yep.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Well, thank you Stephanie. What an important message I find here from you and I just tuned in and there you are.
      Regarding the pic, I have to laugh since I look like a real bad ass wrestler, haha. Honestly, I believe I was holding myself up! but we won’t go there, haha.
      Not sure what you mean by in’s and outs. I woud hope there are some who are still ‘in’ would read the Bunker as I did before I actually got out. Tony’s blog helped me find out the truths and that I was not alone, which make the big difference.
      Thanks again, just wish I had more than 3 minutes for CW talk. But, so many more than me, have bigger stories to tell and are telling them. A big Hug to you!

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Regarding the “kaboom”, Today, I see it as a long awaited kick in the ass (or balls). I don’t like saying that but it fits.

  • Stephanie Loving

    Been unable due to hospital.health stuff to read and enjoy the Bunker on a daily basis for over a month. Talk about a withdrawal. Seriously! It wasn’t a happy or pretty sight. All that part now over. ‘heavens to murgatroid’ I’m a much happier camper. I’m able to freaking read the Bunker again. I missed so much but yay our Proprietor makes everything available, so time for a binge. Got to say I missed some of the silly funny stuff, Jimmy3 thankyou, and I missed the brilliant and heartfelt, Pan and iBetty and so so many more. John P’s analysis. Mycroft. Everyone who goes way back … pure inspiration. There’s also Peter G. and John and it goes on and on. And I’ve missed Pan. Had to say that again because clever insightful in your face poetry isn’t the norm and it makes my F’ing day. Ok enough. Point made. Happy to be back and reading the best blog’/people … yeah period.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      So happy to hear from you and glad you are in better health and able to be here. thanks for the nice comment below.

  • 4/21 – 4/30/17: Kate Bornstein: On Men, Women, and the Rest of Us,. (Sorry to cross-post this only after the first show. Just saw it today.)

    http://lamama.org/kate_bornstein/

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  • Tory Christman

    Yay!! Great job, Dee! πŸ™‚ Did we know each other then?
    I was asked by Milte Wolf to “handle”Richard Tenney.
    I was more in “PR”, out talking to the people, until he
    Was voted out in a landslide.
    So great you got to apologize to the city! You nailed
    It!! πŸ™‚ Blessings to you, Tony & all here.

  • Tory Christman

    Don’t forget the heart, kids. Top left,
    Under “Comments” 1453 views. 183
    Clicked on the heart. Happy Tuesday!!

    • califa007

      I don’t think that counter refers to unique viewers. It’s the count of comments and most viewers make multiple comments. Except me – I mostly lurk. But I always click the heart.

  • Rita G

    Yay Dee!!!!

  • Chris Thompson

    My daughter, Jessica, has not seen her mother, Jane, for 9,275 days. In that time she grew fully from childhood to adulthood without a word passing between them.

    • Ann B Watson

      Chris, My heart breaks over this. Disconnection is a living hell that Scientology has turned blind eyes to for years. It crushes and manipulates,totally upside down and backwards ,Love and how that one enotion can move mountains.The cult of Ron and the cult of dm instead bury Love and espouse only command control and hate any any step away from the cruel path the cult continues on. It all could have been different,but Ron and dm are and were only in it for power, money and huge narcissistic egos that wanted the body, mind and soul of those of us who thought we were helping to bring about a new way of looking at the world. Instead I learned the hardest lesson of all. Never give myself 100% to any team, group, religion whatever that is not built on laughter, light, love ,freedom and the glow of Spirit unfettered by any ego. Sending you and yours much Love. πŸ’›