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Why Scientology’s Erika Christensen can play a Christian convert on the big screen

[Christensen, baptized in The Case for Christ]

We’re starting to get questions from readers about Erika Christensen playing a Christian convert in the movie The Case for Christ, which opened in theaters Friday.

Our friend and former colleague, Luke Y. Thompson, wrote a really interesting review of the film for Forbes, giving the movie props for its strong casting (not just Christensen but also Faye Dunaway and Robert Forster) and for the way it develops the story of a newspaper reporter, Lee Strobel (played by Mike Vogel), who investigates Christianity while looking into a cop shooting.

The reason Lee is investigating Christianity like he would a news story is that he wants to disprove the resurrection of Jesus in order to convince his wife Leslie (played by Christensen) that she’s made a mistake becoming a devout believer following the near-death of their child. Instead, Lee himself is also convinced of the resurrection of Jesus and today the Strobels make a living spreading the good word.

Well, whatever you think of the movie, what is a Scientologist doing in it playing a Christian convert? As Thompson points out in his review, it’s an “amusing” bit of casting to put in it an actress who belongs to a church that considers Jesus Christ a figment of the imagination.

We’ve been hearing from fellow Scientology watchers who ask, does this mean that Erika has left Scientology?

No, it doesn’t. In fact, just last week, Erika was the most high-profile celebrity that took part in Scientology’s “Writers of the Future” contest awards gala in Los Angeles, something she never would have done if she had left the church…

 

 
But isn’t this a contradiction? As Mike Rinder spelled out in excellent detail last year, as Scientologists move beyond the introductory courses of the church, they are asked to drop “other practices” and must focus entirely on Scientology itself. And part of that material they have to focus on once they pass through what’s called OT 3 — which Christensen has completed — is to learn that L. Ron Hubbard, in his own handwriting, described Christianity and the other world’s religions as false information that had been implanted in our minds millions of years ago.

So if that’s the case, how does a Scientology actress get away with appearing in a film that’s obviously meant to promote Christianity?

Once again, we will point out something we have to repeat again and again to readers: Scientology Rule No. 1 is that its celebrities can break all the rules.

The church will be thrilled that Christensen is earning a paycheck, and it wouldn’t dare tell her not to appear in such a film. Meanwhile, as she has many times before, Christensen herself will say that generally, Scientologists can also be Christians or Jews or Muslims.

This. Is. A. Lie.

But lying is practically a sacrament in Scientology, so Erika won’t be in any trouble for it.

Once again, just for fun, here she is appearing in a 2006 testimonials video for the church…

 

 
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Scientology hooks up with former cop disgraced in prostitution scandal

Our correspondent in Bogotá, Colombia sent us a flier from the new Scientology Ideal Org down there, and pointed out something really startling on it.

The flier, as you can see, advertises a talk that was given Friday afternoon by the former director of the country’s national police, Rodolfo Palomino.

The subject of his talk was about the fight against illegal drugs in the country…

 
What Palomino wasn’t invited to talk about apparently, was how he managed to lose his job over a scandal involving allegations about a gay male prostitution ring being run out of the highest levels of the country’s government, including the national police force.

Said the Guardian last year

At the centre of the affair is what has been described as a homosexual male prostitution network run by senior police officials, known as the “Fellowship of the Ring”, which allegedly operated within the police academy between 2004 and 2008. Officers and congressmen allegedly paid for sexual services from cadets with cars, gifts and large sums of money.

The existence of the ring first came to light in 2014 when it was revealed that at least 10 former cadets had testified in an investigation into the suspicious death in 2006 of a female cadet at the academy, which was first labeled a suicide. The cadet, Maritza Zapata, had uncovered the existence of the ring and – according to her family – may have lost her life over it.

Public interest in the case was renewed late last year when an influential radio journalist, Vicky Dávila, began airing testimonies from police cadets recounting incidents of sexual harassment by senior members of the National Police, including its director, Rodolfo Palomino.

Palomino insisted that allegations against him were unfounded. But after an official investigation into his role in the scandal was opened, he resigned.

But hey, at least the Scientologists are still giving him invites. That ought to rehabilitate his image.

 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,716 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,819 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,313 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,353 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,065 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 591 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,680 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,820 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,140 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,115 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 471 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,773 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 880 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,282 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,155 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 736 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,241 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,485 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,594 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on April 10, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Missionary Kid

    OT. Hopefully, this story marks the beginning of the disintegration of another cult: The Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints (FLDS). http://www.sltrib.com/news/4843521-155/for-a-polygamous-sect-homes-have

    A lot of the FLDS families are leaving their homes rather than even dealing with apostates who have bought them. That’s an instance where disconnection is hurting the members.

  • nottrue
    • Taffy Sinclair

      Looks daunting, not unlike the….IAS??? Dauntless, defiant, de-useless!!!

    • They probably locked access from the outside.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Am I the only one who thinks Miscavige’s ears pricked up when he heard about this? It could be the solution to their dwindling pool of new meat bodies. Make the switch from human robots to “humanoid robots”. And he could order that none of them are over 4 feet tall to make himself feel taller! 😉 http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/07/technology/disney-humanoid-soft-robot/

    “Could costumed robots one day roam the streets of Walt Disney World? A new patent application from Disney (DIS) suggests it’s something the company has considered. The document says Disney is developing robots, including “humanoid robots,” that have been “adapted for soft contact and/or interaction with a human.

    …Disney declined to comment on the patent, and there’s no word on when or if the company will actually put the robots to work at its parks.”

    • Observer

      Westworld, here we come!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I’d pay to see Yul Brenner (old school Westworld) take on David Miscavige!

        • Observer

          He was amazing in the movie. Scared the crap out of me.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Me too, I saw it on TV as a kid. And when I later saw “The King and I”, I was sure he was going to kill her! HA!

      • flyonthewall

        robots aren’t allowed to sexually humiliate you, right?

        eta – idk if I could handle it if a robot laughed at my tiny weiner

        • April

          No, you do that to yourself!
          (Note: Sorry, I just had to say it.)

          • flyonthewall

            ha!

            eta – it’s funny bc it’s true

        • thetastic

          My goodness, what kind of interactions are you accustomed to having with the staff at Disney?

        • Baby

          OMG FLY! bawwwwwwhahhahahaha

    • flyonthewall
    • Ann B Watson

      Years ago Westworld with Yul Brenner & the sequel on TV gave me night terrors. Can you see Old Ron/dm and all the Merry band of BTs as robots?! Walrus I’m with you dm must be perusing this for the empty streets of OT Clearwater Town with tc as your tour guide! Send in the Flying Monkeys and I am terrified of them, like the Monkey room at Saint Hill! 🐒🐒🙀❤️

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Only a “church” as vile as the CO$ would take glee in exploiting anything to do with child pornography. I’ll spare you the slimy “See More” details but they try to tie a certain blogger into this mess. Just when you think they can’t go any lower – UGH!
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e824e45658fad978cf7858fe366a1e09a61096dacdbc750888db167a2697ed50.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a1e065c5431b49d1051f015e26c3e60dc1b4e5df2773a02a084e26d2b449e6f6.png

  • Liberated

    Just a reminder…Better Call Saul…new @10 on AMC.

    • April

      Woohoo! One of my favorite shows. Thanks for the reminder.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • ze moo

      Four, plus all the Body Thetans.

    • Kestrel

      L Ron Hubbard’s instructions were based on a 1950s card table with a leg at each corner. They could be there awhile.

      • Sherbet

        That was a very stanrogers thing to say, Kestrel. Very funny!

        • Kestrel

          I can sleep well tonight just knowing I finally amused you.

          • Sherbet

            You always do, birdie.

    • Once complete they all have to write a success story and fill out the Folding a Table Routing Form, getting signatures from all 25 event staff, and then do lower Conditions for being so slow in folding it up.

    • Rasha

      “Do we need vinegar for this?…”
      “How did this table find a parking space?”
      “…wait, this table doesn’t have fans…”
      “Where are my smokes? Did someone take my smokes?”

  • Jgg2012

    If Bob Duggan, who made billions with an anti-cancer drug, can be a Scientologist (LRH thought cancer was caused by sexual misbehavior and could only be cured by auditing and opposed big pharma) then Erika Christensen can play a Christian and be a Scientologist.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    What happens when SMP starts broadcasting and nobody gives a sh!t except a few die-hard clams? Then what?
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a431062e232f523e3a759fef496b27a9ca3eaad0094c2d081ce3aa9119bf1d9e.png

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I can’t wait for RMP to start as well. Rashafarian Media Productions. It’s finna be hot! We will disseminate all things Rasha, even Freezone and Independent sects. How bow dat?

    • Sherbet

      The sci-speak makes my skin crawl. It’s so darn precious.

      • Baby

        ACK

  • nottrue

    Shades of what SMP will be like. … Scientologist being interviewed….By an Asskiss…… . New Zealand.. https://youtu.be/7AkNaGQeg4o

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Chee Chalker

      Because nothing entices college students like creepy old men offering free ‘personality tests’!

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Speak for yourself, LOLZ!!

    • machiabelly

      Unfortunately I’m a bit skeptical. Using words like “divine reconciliation” and “calling” could point to Lance’s true motivation. Would he feel as compelled to “examine the ethics” if, say, Southern Baptist tracts were being handed out on campus?

      I wouldn’t be shocked if his name was found on the membership rolls of the official Ybor student club Intervarsity Christian Fellowships, whose purpose is “To advance witnessing communities of students and faculty growing in God, God’s Word and people of every ethnicity and culture and His purpose.”

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Scientology Cat is up to his old tricks again….

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Oh dear! Is this what the CO$ would call an out-exchange? LMAO
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/df6491f00cd4038d4bfc5a9e03f6e507c08e49f7eb69bd0f80abf9bc54c7f156.png

  • Jgg2012

    While we are talking about Scientology actresses in non-Scientology roles, Elizabeth Moss (a lifelong Scilon) stars in an upcoming Hulu series, The Handmaid’s Tale, about a woman trapped in a Sea Org-like environment (separated from her family, no free speech, forced labor, and forced to bear children for infertile couples, which is similar to forced abortions; it is different in that it is women-only) after the US is overthrown by a theocracy that enforces “traditional” gender roles. Moss heroically escapes after befriending some important people, and I doubt she sees any connection to the Sea Org and this fictitious society.

  • flyonthewall

    Holy crap! Just found out one of my favorite bands is coming to town next week and there’s still a few tkts left! They don’t cost an arm and a leg and my coworker agreed to switch shifts. Yesss!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTgKRCXybSM

    • Rasha

      HA HA!! APRIL FOO– oh… wait….

      (pages flying) …..March 29… 30 … 31th… Apr– it’s the 10th already???? Okay, I screwed that up. You enjoy your concert.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        😛

        • Rasha

          …thought I had him…..

          • flyonthewall

            almost

            • Rasha

              …side eye…. slinks back into planning mode….

              …pupils dilate….

    • Taffy Sinclair

      The Archies? Sugar, Sugar!!

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I kid, I kid. I love Tool.

    • Rasha

      That’s a different version of your favorite tune….

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q

      • flyonthewall

        that is really freakin cool. All the sounds here were really made by that contraption?

        eta – it’s a musical Rube Goldberg machine!

        • Rasha

          I think it was a bit noisier, and there are some behind the scenes vids, but I think it actually worked. …there’s also a compilation of performances of the tune, from orchestras to hard drive servomotors….

          • flyonthewall

            yeah I dig the tune, regardless of how it was made. Is cool on it’s own.

            Hey I just looked up the opening act and apparently they started this genre called “cholo goth” o.O I like it though.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnA_ADv9J_8

            • Rasha

              New genre for Rasha. Interesting energy.

        • Rasha

          It is, yes.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That’s great, Fly! Any word about a new album perhaps?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      This song never gets old and makes me want to bash on my drums every time. And I’m more a lighter jazzier player, but this is Hulk smash, Animal mode right there.

    • thetastic

      My hubby is a big fan.

    • Baby

      Oh Yippie Fly.. Is Fly Lady going too?

      • flyonthewall

        yep, just got back from getting tkts too. Sometimes I feel like I drag her to this stuff bc it’s music I’m into. She doesn’t dislike it, just not what she listens to. I offered to look for someone else to go and she got all huffy so I guess that’s that. 🙂

        • Baby

          Got all Huffy.. hahhahaha Have fun you guys..

          I must say a little of that music goes a long way.. : D

  • After a long absence, the Independent Scientology Milestone Two blog is back with an OT III completion.

    https://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2017/04/09/ot-iii-comp/

    As I recall, some of you were concerned.

    • Missionary Kid

      Yeah, how many of those have they had?

    • LRH had to increase the voltage… That’s all.

    • If they’re using Capt Bill’s recipe, that has over 57 OT levels.

      • As I recall, MS2 strictly practices KSW and does not accept Ron’s Orgs or “Capt Bill’s recipe.”

        • Even within CoS, the OT levels were continually tweaked and revised. How did they fix on a particular version, and how will MS2 ensure standardization?

    • Robert Eckert

      “…In many sessions I found myself blowing huge chunks of stuff…” TMI

      • WhiteCentauress

        Sounds like projectile vomiting. I noticed that same phrase. At first I thought the blog was a bad parody, but then from the comments, realized they were serious.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/686dd3540598e268b8d9be9f5482420155c320f69970192c1c0a8babf5862843.jpg

    Scientology Cat is outta control!! I’ve been regged to death by him to the point that all’s I have is two $2 bills. He regged ’em from me!! Now he’s sniffin’ ’em out for S.P. thetans.

    Scientology Cat is outta control!!!!!!

    • Admit it… Your Scio Cat just came home from your neighbors after having done a Reg Cycle on them.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I ADMIT NOTHING!!! ROAR!!!

        But yes, Scientology Cat did regg the fuckk’outta the neighbors. They are outta $2 billz, as well…..

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Scio cat also came home w/ a mezuzah. My neighbors are Jewish, like me…

        • We should train a bird to fly inside the Church and steal all their pencils so no one could sign anything

          • Operation BIC

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Does LAs Vegas have an IdleMorge?

            • hmm not sure, but they must have something

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I’m sending recon team.

            • Roger That!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Dicey, I love that you love my Sci Cat. Would you like more pics?

            • Only when you get some special ones that you select. And you could do like me, put a Text bubble on it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51105c2068e7f5a792037603242344e71925910dbd17b35a77ceda1126856de6.png

            • Taffy Sinclair

              How do you do that???

            • Using this… http://www167.lunapic.com/editor/
              Look for “speech bubbles” it’s takes a few hours to learn but it is cool and i think you would be good at it. Else we are just watching a sleeping cat and that’s cute but boring.

              That one turned out this way:
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/66d9c3502c9a75df7ffdb6b721ce341003429bb6b54f031ce0c7e628f4ba7b94.png

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Gotcha!!

            • Baby

              hahahah Great one Dice.. Good job.

            • Rasha
            • *lol* Copyright infringement

            • Rasha

              *rawr*

            • Taffy Sinclair

              i love Rasha razzberrehs…

              Iz that still rashafarinism?? Freezone?

            • Rasha

              i gives that teck fer free.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              az well…. The teck shuld be free. Keep it so. (said el con chubbz)

            • Rasha

              Looks so much like my Gustopher…..

            • “Gustopher” bwahhh lol lol

            • Show me?

            • Rasha

              It was many moons ago. Gustopher was all black, would actually headbutt me, and loved tummy raspberries. This is true. He would plop down on the table in front of me, and roll over for me to blow raspberries on his tummy.

              It was many moons ago, and I miss him dearly.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              He sounds like a sugar-cat!!!

            • Rasha

              …he knew it was all about him…. -_^

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I had one at one time. Baby boy left this wurld in 1987. Loved him soo sooooo much.

            • Rasha

              I do miss him so much.

            • aaww .. sorry.. i think i remember something

            • Taffy Sinclair

              They headbutt to mark their territory! It means you are THEIRS!!

            • I am new to cats or Meme is my first , what does headbutt looks like?

            • Taffy Sinclair
            • Rasha

              Cat walks across table while you’re doing Important Work, then the forehead comes in, and BAM!! Right into your forehead. Translation: “You. Mine. Figure it out, or I’ll keep doing this.”

              …pretty simple, really. =^_^=

            • Taffy Sinclair

              my video iz betta!! meow!!!

            • Rasha

              ah seez it!!!!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Yr still my cult leadr, Rashfarian person.

            • Rasha

              So I think I posted the other day, I was at the next door neighbors for dinner, and they have a rescue, but they have two little boys, and when she gets feisty, it’s time to cool down, naturally. So, when I visit (I often go over to take care of her when the family is away), she’s all ready for play. Needless to say, I had some fun with her, and I took home some marks, but she’s really sweet and doesn’t mean any harm, but needs a playmate.

              Luv me mah kittehs and puppehs….

            • Aha! newer seen meme do that. hmm

            • Rasha

              It’s like, you have to let them know that, yeah you’re in their space, and they can deal with it how they want. Seriously, when I first blew a raspberry on Gustopher’s tummy, he was like, Woah! What the–“ … then after that, it was all, “Yeah, that again. Go.”

              Cat relationships are a lot more physical than logical. When they start with the headbutting and neck rubbing, that’s then they think, “you’re in my space, and that’s cool.” With the cats I’ve known, I play with their tails and paws. Yeah, they’ll swat and sometimes leave medals, but they trust those that trust them.

            • Cool… On the vid from Taffy, i can see that meme does just that, but that’s far away from Headbutting as i could picture it, but what do i know 🙂 Meme can also be very demanding and almost arrogant in her body language, then i have to “reject” her and she will “move away from home” like a little kid, until she comes back with a new attitude.

              These “raspberry” ? are they Real raspberry’s ? and why on her tummy. Sorry i don’t really have learned Cat lingo 🙂

            • One thing i have learned, is that the dominating Cat, will leave their poo on top for the others to bury. So when i see that she don’t cover her *shit* in her Ashtray, i know she is on a war path and she will trip me at any chance she get’s 🙂

            • Rasha

              “Zurberts” I called ’em. He had such a tummy on him. Not fat, but he wasn’t wantin’, I’ll say that….

    • stillgrace2

      I love orange kitties!

    • stillgrace2
  • Robert Eckert
    • EmmaDaoust

      Sometimes I mix up “flammable” and “inflammable”.

      • mockingbird

        They are the same.

        • EmmaDaoust

          I know. That was a joke, MB.

    • Rasha

      Funny – that’s my strategy when I play Angry Birds.

  • Observer
    • Rasha

      Omagarsh…. master of makeup!

      • Rasha

        That’s like… stageworthy…. she could be in Spirited Away….

        • Observer

          I can’t stop laughing at it

          • Daisy uses the same makeup Tek.

            • Observer

              Far more effective than Hubbard’s tech.

            • Rasha

              XD She be silleh.

          • Rasha

            Each Halloween, I try to outdo myself, and I felt really bad a few years ago when I frightened a local dog that I totally love – she was so confused… The kids are fine when I tell them in my normal voice that it’s just funnin’, but I felt so bad for the puppeh!!!

            Key takeaway – don’t bring your puppeh when you go a-trick-or-treatin’.

    • Curious Case of Benjamina.

    • FredEX2

      Obs! What did you do to that adorable little thing! That’s just mean. 🙂

    • GrangerFX

      That’s super awesome!

    • Sherbet

      She looks like one of the Olsen twins.

    • Baby

      hahahhahaha Seeing past the make up.. she’s a cutie Obs.. Good job..love the eyebrows.. ha..

      • FredEX2

        Baby what are you doing up so early?! xo

        • Baby

          I passed out at 10pm .. just exhausted from driving from Mama Dee’s.. yawwwwwwwwn… and woke up at 4 am.. wide awake.

          Now I’m getting sleepy again Freddie.. xo

      • Observer

        I didn’t do it–just a random thing I came across and had to share

        • Baby

          Oh.. hahahhahaha.. duh.. I missed that part..sigh..

  • Gus_Cox

    Celebs can do whatever they want. But still, some of the dupes get upset by this stuff. I remember one clam girl when Pulp Fiction came out – she was just soooooo enturbulated that John Travolta would play a heroin addicted hitman that she actually wrote a KR on him! I lol’d.

    • Glen

      Mike Rinder told a great anecdote about how he recommended Travolta not take that “unsavory” role as the heroin addicted hitman. As it turned out, the role revitalized his career.

  • Park58

    “Well, whatever you think of the movie, what is a Scientologist doing in it playing a Christian convert? As Thompson points out in his review, it’s an “amusing” bit of casting to put in it an actress who belongs to a church that considers Jesus Christ a figment of the imagination.”

    Sorry but that thinking is absurd and a double standard here. Why is any actor against murder playing a murderer? What is any actor against any specific thing playing a character that participates in that thing? That doesn’t come up with other types of roles and performers. Acting is acting, performing is performing, it has and should have nothing with the performer’s personal beliefs. How can any actor play any kind of evil person, for example, if they’re not evil? Or play just anyone that doesn’t act or think as they do? See how absurd this commentary is?

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes, yes. We know. Actors are actors and play people they aren’t.

      The point here, however, is that this film is basically a propaganda tract for the Christian religion. So to have an actress play in it who belongs to a church that believes that Jesus is just a mental implant is, as my friend Luke said, “amusing” at least.

      And I was already hearing from people who were wondering, naturally, if this meant that Erika had switched camps. So I thought it would be doing a small service to point out that she was at the Writers of the Future event, showing that she hasn’t changed sides at all.

      So, for that reason, I wrote this “absurd” story. You’re welcome.

      • mockingbird

        You have a great point Tony. She is not just playing a person that happens to be Christian (like most Americans) and it is just a detail for a character. The story is pro Christians and may be defending the faith or seeking converts. That is very different.

        I can see an actor playing a killer as many stories feature killers, but playing a killer in a pro murder movie is really different. So, I think a relevant question (which you may have already answered) is how far up the auditing side of The bridge has Erika Christensen progressed ?

        If she has completed OT III then she certainly knows Hubbard said Christianity is fake.

        That is the crucial thing. It is possible that even if she did several courses and made it to clear she still hasn’t heard it spelled out by the old man himself.

        • TonyOrtega

          She’s at least OT 5, according to Scientology’s own publications. That’s why I mentioned in the story that we know she’s been exposed to the OT 3 materials.

          • mockingbird

            Thanks. Then she definitely knows she is telling an acceptable truth so as to not be out gradient. She might look on the Christians in a pro Christian movie as like telling little kids Santa is watching.

            You know it isn’t true but justify it somehow.

          • mockingbird

            By the way a running tally on how trained and audited celebrity Scientologists are would be useful. I had a heck of a time trying to find her auditing level via Google.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Though it’s not entirely up to date, Kristi Wachter’s database is is still a good starting point: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/e/erika-christensen.html

            • mockingbird

              Thanks. I was looking for this site but didn’t recall the name. It is a good resource. Imagine one listing every Scientologist and if they have been declared!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              That would take an impressive amount of time and inside sources.

      • GrangerFX

        As was suggested earlier, Scientology worships money and she is getting paid. I see nothing strange here at all.

      • Park58

        It’s the idea that a perfomer’s personal life or personal believes should dictate what role they should or shouldn’t play, and that idea itself is absurd. I understand the point of your article, it’s not what I’d argued against.

        • Robert Eckert

          It’s the idea that your beliefs ought to steer you away from actively propagandizing for a cause you oppose. This movie isn’t in the category of entertainment: it is unabashedly aimed at proselytizing.

          • Park58

            “It’s the idea that your beliefs ought to steer you away from actively propagandizing for a cause you oppose”
            Ok so what is your stance on this? Do you disagree or agree? And is this actress really propagandizing the Christian religion just for playing a devout Christian? (idk anything about her or this film)

            • Robert Eckert

              I’m less surprised than others are, because I know Scientology ranks money-making opportunities ahead of any other concerns. I myself wouldn’t want to act in any propaganda films for Scientology or Evangelical Christianity; I wouldn’t think of that as “just another job”.

            • Baby

              I agree with you Robert.. xo

            • Robert Eckert

              Hey Babe, good to see you, did you have a good time with Mama Dee?

            • Baby

              I hadn’t seen her since Nov. and then my health problems.. so I was homesick for her.. The minute I walked in the door until I left she took care of me.

              She’s one of those people who you don’t have to be entertained.. Just being in the same place watching Tv.. or one of us reading..and not talking

              My favorite kind of people.. but when we gab we gab for hours.. First night we went to bed at 6am .. 2nd night 6:30 .. Good God.

            • FredEX2

              I would say that by your comments you likely have little or no knowledge of Scientology either. Is this true?

            • Robert Eckert

              “is this actress really propagandizing the Christian religion just for playing a devout Christian? (idk anything about her or this film)” If you *did* know anything about this film (like if you bothered to read the article, for example) you would know that this is not simply a case of playing a devout Christian character: the entire film is a propaganda exercise.

            • Park58

              Your replies to me are condescending to say the least, which I don’t appreciate. So I’m not bothering.

    • WhiteCentauress

      Troll…

    • mockingbird

      Your analogy falls apart. Where are actors playing killers in pro murder movies ?

      • Park58

        Does a movie focusing on a murderer (the murderer being the/a protagonist), their actions, thoughts, successes and whatnot, mean it advocates murder? Sometimes movies are explorations of something (biased or not) or character studies, not merely entrainment. So on that point, I don’t see the difference with films focusing on any which religion. It’s a viewer’s interpretation whether a film seems like it promotes a viewpoint or certain viewpoints. The matter is that actors’ personal beliefs and the nature of the characters they play or the films they appear in doesn’t need to be correlated. All the time you hear actors talk about playing characters who’s actions or thoughts they disagree with, and personally disagreeing with some subject in the th film, and of course also the opposite, agreeing with a character or subject. The point is commenting (like that reviewer) on actors’ personal beliefs in film reviews is just absurd (and rather unprofessional too). As if actors’ personal beliefs have or should have any relevance to a film’s script or a film review.

        • mockingbird

          I disagree. A public service announcement can have an actor look at the camera and say “don’ t do drugs”

          Intention is not always ambiguous. A pro Christian movie can be made. I can say “shut up” to someone as a pro shutting up statement.

          Someone could make a pro murder movie.

    • FredEX2

      Well now ‘Park58’….let me ask YOU a question. Would you be offended if a Christian WOG actor played a Scientologist in a movie? What if WOGS made a Scientology movie…and told the story of Scientology and your beliefs?…and WOGS played Scientologists and depicted Scientology as a ‘religion’ …and acted like Scientologists? ~How would that go over with CofS & COB?

      • Park58

        Wtf are you talking about? Why would I be offended, I am not religious. I don’t care who plays what in a movie, I just care that a movie is good and the acting is good. I don’t care at all what the personal beliefs of the actors in any film are.

        • FredEX2

          Whenever someone says ‘I don’t care’ in a sentence …no matter what the topic…I wonder why…if they ‘don’t care’…did they comment in the first place?.. .

          • Park58

            Do understand the context of “I don’t care”? I literally answered your question (which completely missed the point) if I would be offended if an actor with a particular belief plays a character with a different belief — my comments, including my original comment, tell you that obviously no I wouldn’t. As I already said, actors’ personal beliefs shouldn’t be relevant in entertainment industry work, thus I don’t care what any actors’ personal beliefs are. I don’t care if an actors’ personal belief conflicts with a character they play or a film they’re in, because it isn’t and shouldn’t be relevant.

            • FredEX2

              Well good Park58, you might not be a Scientologist, troll or OSA afterall. A Scientologist would likely be offended to
              1. Have a movie made about Scientology, unless it was sanctioned & made by CofS
              2. People other than Scientologists portraying what it means to be a Scientologist…
              3. Fair Game, follow around & harass the bejeebus out of anyone (non-Scientologist) pretending to be a Scientologist, or portraying their beliefs…

              After being a Scientologist, and knowing how they really think about Christianity…and other ‘religions’…I find it curious why a known devout Scientologist was given this part and participated in a film that may have deep meaning to a Christian and perhaps draw more people to Christianity. The character she played involved more than just an actor ‘acting’. She would have had to immerse herself deeper into an understanding of Christian beliefs and faith to come off as believable…especially to Christians.

      • Park58

        Wait FredEX2 are you Christian? Is that why you asked me this? I dont care who plays what, but I can understand a religious person not liking an antheist or anti-your-religion actor playing a character who belongs to your religion in a film about your religion.
        To me, and many people, it’s not relevant, because as a film watcher I only care for the merits of a film, not whether the actors agree with what they’re saying and doing in character.

        • Robert Eckert

          No, she’s assuming you are a Scientologist.

          • Park58

            LOL, I can see that now. Of course, not surprised then, accuse someone whom you disagree with of being some scieno. New flash, I *hate* religion, and that person totally missed what I was specifically arguing, which has nothing to do with religion it self, the scieno sham or otherwise.

            • Robert Eckert

              We don’t know you. You’re brand new here. We frequently get brand new people who are out to pick fights from their very first post, because Scientology sends such people to disrupt the board; however, this has become less frequent as they seem to be running out of personnel to assign to such work.

            • Park58

              Lol who’se up voting your replies soon after you make them. Anyway, I’m not new, I’ve posted on a couple other articles here before.
              So disagreeing with something written and responding to replies is “picking fights” here. Quite intolerant don’t you think? I guess people don’t like engageing in conversation and can’t do so without throwing out accusations.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Me–I happened to be passing through at the time and usually upvote comments as I go. Sorry, is this problematic for you?

            • Robert Eckert

              If you are known here, then people understand honest disagreements. But when you are not known, people look at you with a jaundiced eye if you start right out by being disagreeable– and that suspicious attitude is not “intolerance” of differing opinions, but simply a good memory for what posters like that have frequently turned out to be in the past.

    • machiabelly

      The difference — and the reason some people are questioning it — is that the majority of actors don’t belong to high control religious organizations that monitor their lives, including what acting roles they take, and punish them for perceived ethics violations.

      I think it’s a safe bet in this case that Erika asked for and received permission from one of her Scientology handlers before she accepted the part.

      • Park58

        Ok fair point. But like Tony has said $ let’s celebrities “break rules” so I would think they don’t care what acting roles they take, and if they did they wouldn’t really intervene. Maybe trying to intervene in scieno celebrities’ work or artistic choices could contribute tension with the organization. So the free reign might be a way to keep them happy

        • machiabelly

          Celebrities and rich donors do indeed get preferential treatment but they’re not able to do anything they want without repercussions, especially if they’re actively on lines. Sec checking for all!

          Scientology as an organization cares very much about its image, and that includes how its members behave, what they say, and with whom they’re allowed to be in contact.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I don’t think that the murderer analogy works unless you made a movie about a murderer, with your target audience being other murderers, and you then cast a district attorney in the role of the murderer.

      It’s more like casting an actor who is a proud member of the Westboro Baptist church (and promotes it) to play Harvey Milk.

  • Glen

    So Scientology is worse than inept in the PR department. Sea Org = worker’s paradise. Serious charges of abuse = seriously attack the victim. etc, etc, etc. Speaking of PR disasters:

    In the corporate world, major foot bullets have been fired this week. Pepsi hawks it’s product by trivializing protest and conflict with it’s commercial with the rich young Kardashian model defusing all the tension by handing the cop a Pepsi.

    And now United Airlines beats up and drags off the plane an Asian doctor who needed to take the flight so he could see patients today and wouldn’t “voluntarily” be bumped off (“re-accomodated”) to make room for a late flight crew. And the CEO issues a totally tone deaf statement. This awful statement fans the response to the graphic and viral video of the incident into an inferno of ridicule and derision. At least they haven’t put up a hate site yet.

    And the social media speaks: (and needless to say, the memes and gifs are outstanding)

    “Thank you SO MUCH!”—Pepsi PR dept. to United PR dept.

    United agent: “Which one of you f**kkers will volunteer for Re-Accomodation.”

    “Fly the Friendly Skies as long as you’re not randomly selected to be dragged off kicking and screaming.”

    Pepsi marketing exec: “You wouldn’t believe the week we just had.”
    United exec: “Hold my Coke.”

    It’s interesting how the English language evolves. Evidently “punched in the face” is now pronounced “re-accomodated.”

    Hey United, do you only earn miles in the air or does being dragged down the aisle count?

    It’s possible that United just may have solved their overbooking problem for the forseeeable future.

    There’s no need to worry about Brexit, my British friends. It’ll be as smooth as getting off an aeroplane.

    How many free drinks do you get for a concussion?

    • mockingbird

      That guy should sue for millions. If I was in the jury the amount would have the word millions in it.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Ever since they became a “mega”
      carrier by merging with Continental they cut business travelers perk’s. You know the people who pay the most for their tickets and have been loyal to them for years. We’ve been trying to reach that million mile mark our entire careers so we could be offered benefits when we get older. Assholes..

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Every time that video gets played it’s going to cost United another $20K, and we’re already up to more than a million!

  • WhiteCentauress

    I had never heard of Erika Christensen before coming to the Bunker, so I wanted to check her out. She’s kind of cute. I did find this one really strange picture, which she had posted of herself and her husband. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b41b8feecc4cefcbdc5f95284bc003010725387d6f51e92debcd21e3c12b3d6f.png

    • Jimmy3

      It looks like she’s stealing his mustache

      • WhiteCentauress

        I have cataracts, so can’t see that well. My first thought was…..caterpillar.

  • Missionary Kid

    Hey everyone, help Kathy Shenkelberg take Squeeze My Cans to Edinburgh. Right now, if you donate, someone is matching the donation, dollar for dollar, so your gift is doubled. http://www.hatchfund.org/fund/squeeze_my_funds_matchfund She’s also going to be at HowdyCon.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      will do.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks. I should have posted that earlier in the evening. I did it once about an hour after today’s post, but I will try to do it earlier tomorrow, because more people read the bunker in the U.S. at an earlier time.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    This kid needs help.
    https://fundrazr.com/51CrD7?fb_action_ids=199421407200890&fb_action_types=fundrazr%3Acomment_on&ref=ab_56Rzu4 Wonder if another fund raising service would be better like Gofundme?

  • iampissed

    Night all.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      G’night

  • JJ

    Why? It is the same arrogant assurance of salvation, the glassy eyed stare and the inability to hear any negatives about your new found belief. Scientology may demand you “drop” any side beliefs but they are always front and center to claim they are fellow sufferers from the bias and anti-religious bigotry the world has for “religious thought”.

  • Liberated

    I’m so happy I checked out the bunker one last time, the above photo of Erika at the awards ceremony reminded me I need to buy more duck tape tomorrow.

    • Jimmy3

      Solid joke to close out the night. But please don’t tape any ducks. If you really need, just throw some six pack plastic into a lake.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • Todd Tomorrow

    I know us Cancers are “sensitive” but I’m just so sad about that child killed today. A couple of weeks ago I was reading how most married parents don’t survive the loss of a child. My nephew’s, three year old boy was falling asleep at daycare in Nov. After a visit to the Dr’s it turns out he has advanced leukemia. My Aunt is a real bitch and has always been horrible to my Mother so about four years ago we no longer get together for holidays but my Uncle still keeps in contact with my Mother. I wrote them a letter shortly after hearing about it saying I’d be happy to be tested to see if I could be a bone morrow donation candidate. I got a nice hand written thanks but that’s all. A three year old and an eight year old and one lost his life because another adult couple couldn’t cope. What was this person thinking to kill an eight year old? Life is so fleeting and this is just horrible. And what would one of their ‘gods’ be doing to punish these innocent soles. When I was very little I was sent to a shrink for telling a bunch of other children there was no God. We had a sevrley handicapped girl in my small school and many kids picked on her. I told the shrink as a seven tear old that no God would ever do that to a person. I only went to see him a few times but later was told by my parent’s to keep my opinions to myself. I did until I found a best friend in the seventh grade who had come to the same conclusion.

    • Baby

      Hi sweetheart.. As a Fellow Moonchild cancer .. so sensitive.. I also wear my heart on my sleeve .. and yes tragic. sigh..

    • Sibs

      I heard that the kids were standing close to the woman and weren’t targets at all. But if dude had a problem, he shouldn’t have taken a gun to solve it, and the kids shouldn’t have had to have been involved at all. I hope the shooter rots in hell.

  • Racnad

    Kirstie Alley once played a psychiatrist in a Woody Allen film. And Tom Cruise was a vampire. Unless it’s a specifically anti-Scientology work Scientologist actors can accept any role offered to them.

  • Philbyification

    “Wake the Dead”? HAHAHA!

  • Fink Jonas

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9866e46c6546811951ea4c8bc6785c123f2a400ac5ffeb44ec6fc2b62951b15f.png Jena Elfman is now on her new sit com talking gibberish about Jesus, I don’t know what’s funny about that, and look at the title “imaginary Mary” trying to turn the wave anyway they can against christianity, yeah Scientologist welcome all religions” yeah right? they are very ati- Christianity.