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The most Scientology-involved movie ever made? Here comes Nancy’s baby!

 
Our source in Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre, who has been so helpful to us in the past, alerted us to something special coming that he thought we’d want to pay attention to.

“The first screenings for Nancy Cartwright’s movie In Search of Fellini started this weekend,” he told us. “And for Scientology, it’s really a big deal.”

How so? We asked.

Our man in Hollywood told us the project grew out of a one-woman show Nancy, the voice of Bart Simpson, developed at the Celebrity Centre itself, more than 20 years ago.

By then, Nancy already had huge success with The Simpsons, a series which had started in 1989. She’s made piles of money out of the show, and according to Scientology’s own publications she’s given at least $10 million of it to the church. She’s also been more forthcoming than other celebrities about what the aims of Scientology are. To Australian journalist Bryan Seymour, she said, “I believe that there is a power that I am striving for. I think the best way to describe that would be to name that ‘God,’ you know. And ideally I would have to say that I am striving to be that God.”

Our source tells us that Nancy is not only fully invested in Scientology’s ideas about superpowers, but that she rides herd on others about it.

“She’s so hardcore, she even polices the other celebrities. She considers herself the ideal standard of a Scientology celebrity, and she lets the others know it if they aren’t measuring up to it,” he told us for our recent piece about Scientology’s top stars.

And now, our man tells us, she’s put together something really pretty special: Maybe the most Scientology-involved movie ever made, he says.

What, even more Scientological than John Travolta’s epically bad 2000 stinker, Battlefield Earth?

Battlefield Earth had a lot fewer Scientologists involved than this one,” he says. “I can’t remember another film with this many Scientologists involved. And from their perspective this is awesome.”

Our man says the story for the film grew out of Nancy’s own travels around Europe before she became a star on The Simpsons. “It was a one-woman show. It was her personal experiences in Europe. And she had a pianist who did the music, and she took you on kind of a trip around Europe. It lasted probably an hour and a half. I remember that it was cute and it was funny,” he says.

Now, Nancy has written a movie that stars Maria Bello and younger actresses Ksenia Solo and Mary Lynn Rajskub. But the rest of the cast and crew is shot through with Scientologists. A few of them:

Actress and former Jason Lee fiancee Beth Riesgraf, actor David O’Donnell, actor Michael Wiseman (formerly a close friend to Leah Remini and Angelo Pagan), actress Alyssa Suede (daughter of former church member Roger Weller), producer Kevin Burke, producer Peter Kjenaas, producer Nathan Lorch, music director David Campbell, casting directors Lisa London and Catherine Stroud, and more.

A key producer on the project is Michael Doven, whom we’ve been writing about for quite a long time. Our source says Doven was key to getting distribution for the movie.

And directing the picture is Taron Lexton, husband to actress Marisol Nichols and son of South African Scientologist Mary Shuttleworth, who is responsible for founding several of Scientology’s front groups.

“He’s the boy wonder. He can do no wrong,” our source says. “He’s directed Way to Happiness videos and the United for Human Rights stuff that the church really loved.”

In all, it’s a project the church itself is very excited about.

“I can’t think of another film that was written, produced, and shot by Scientologists that actually got distribution. These are key roles in the film,” he says.

But is it any good? Our man admitted that he hadn’t seen it. So we looked around until we found something about its source material. Here’s what the Los Angeles Times said about Nancy’s show when it was playing in 1995…

Best known as the voice of Bart Simpson, Nancy Cartwright is a gamin performer with a distinctively raspy voice. Close your eyes. You’ll hear more than a trace of the bratty kid who has become an international icon.

Unfortunately, in Cartwright’s one-woman show “In Search of Fellini” at Theatre Geo, you just might want to close your eyes for other reasons as well.

Developed in collaboration with writer Peter Kjenaas and director Leslie Welles, “Fellini” concerns Cartwright’s journey to Italy. Her mission? To corner Fellini on his home turf and secure the stage rights to “La Strada.”

What sounds like an interesting premise bogs down into a half-baked non-play, in which Cartwright engages in a couple of ill-fated romances, buys a glass sculpture, gets loaded on rum-laced pastries and raves about Leonardo da Vinci’s genius. Despite all attempts to elevate it to the significant, Cartwright’s show is reminiscent of an album of awkwardly composed vacation pictures, sweet mementos to the participant but dull to the uninitiated.

Well, come on now, that’s just harsh.

We’ll give Nancy’s film a chance, if we can just figure out how to see it.

Our Celebrity Centre friend was also feeling charitable. “She got something done. So good for her,” he says. And how. Bring it on!

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,677 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,780 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,274 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,314 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,026 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 493 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,611 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,781 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,101 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,076 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 432 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,734 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 841 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,243 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,116 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 697 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,202 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,446 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,555 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on February 28, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
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  • Mick Roberts

    Ok, so as a never-in and still relatively new down this proverbial rabbit hole of LRH’s mind, should I actually watch Battlefield Earth just so I can understand the Scientology mentality a bit more? Will it help a little in my quest for knowledge about the beliefs of this group? Or will it just be a complete waste of my time?

    • Sherbet

      I don’t know. How’s your gag reflex? Let me say this: My son loves sci fi in all forms, and he couldn’t get through that turkey.

      • Chee Chalker

        Has your son seen Gentlemen Broncos? (Currently on HBO)
        I highly recommend it!

        • Sherbet

          I know he doesn’t have cable, but I’ll tell him.

    • Observer

      If you do, watch the RiffTrax version.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s a great movie to watch when you’re drunk.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Or hepped up on goofballs.

        • flyonthewall

          or strung out on heroin

          • Sherbet

            Or deceased.

            • flyonthewall

              is that some kind of weird club drug? I never heard of that

            • Sherbet

              You wouldn’t like it.

            • flyonthewall

              well I’m going to try it anyway. Thnx Sherb!

            • Sherbet

              I’ll miss you.

      • Missionary Kid

        I just thought of the perfect EP for Ratcavige: have him watch BE over and over, A Clockwork Orange style, with the sound turned up to 11.

    • Missionary Kid

      You can try. Be ready to abandon it. Hopefully, you won’t have to pay anything for it.
      Your time is better spent reading The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, Bare-Faced Messiah, Blown for Good, Going Clear, (If you want to watch a movie, Going Clear, based on the book, is excellent), and if you read the material at Operation Clambake, xenu.net, you’ll learn a lot more.

      • Mick Roberts

        I’ve read Blown for Good and am currently reading Going Clear (already saw the documentary). Two great books so far. Unbreakable Miss Lovely will be next after I finish Going Clear. As for the movie Battlefield Earth, I may try it one night when I’m bored (and possibly drunk as Jimmy recommended below), just so I can laugh along with the rest of you when y’all talk about it.

        • Missionary Kid

          Miller’s Bare Faced Messiah is very readable, and will give you a lot of the background on Hubbard, and is an excellent starting point. If you want a close examination of the philosophical roots, Jon Atack’s Let’s Sell Them a Piece of Blue Sky. For more of a thriller, Blown for Good is an excellent read.

          Of course, for watching things, Leah’s series is great.

          • Frodis73

            Yes, Bare Faced is a *must* read in my opinion and it is very enjoyable too.

        • Frodis73

          That would be my suggestion too. You won’t really learn anything about sci exactly, but I am a movie lover…and I actually like to watch bad movies for fun. That being said, I only watched BE in its entirety once and have only seen bits and pieces here and there. It IS that bad, but must be seen to really see how bad it is.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll admit to watching the Hallmark Channel mysteries when I’m really bored, but I found BE to be pure torture. I almost wanted to attack the TV, but instead, watched something else.

            • Frodis73

              I didn’t even know they had mysteries. I assumed they were only love story/chick flick type things. I bet they are pretty bad tho. Agree, BE can be torture-that dialogue kills me!

            • Missionary Kid

              They play a lot of Murder She Wrote & Matlock episodes, as well as new series that often aren’t as good.

        • MarcabExpat

          Your next stop in reading really ought to be Bare Faced Messiah. You will learn SO MUCH about the Scientology mentality from that. It’s incredibly well-written, and a page-turner to boot (once you get past the opening pages about his family background).

          • Mick Roberts

            Thanks MarcabExpat. I have a Nook (yeah, I know) and didn’t see Bare Faced Messiah available through B&N. Will just have to get an Amazon account for that one.

            • MarcabExpat

              You won’t be sorry — it is THE basic book for understanding this world. Ironically, it doesn’t contain much “tech;” it’s a straight Hubbard biography. But Scientology makes sense (in a hideous way) when you understand the mind it came from, because as many exes say, when you do Scientology, you’re “running Ron’s case,” i.e., treating his problems instead of your own. Because he was so profoundly self-centered, he designed his entire cosmology and “technology” around his own fixations.

              But as others have pointed out, it’s also a helluva read, not a dry textbook, so no pain is involved in delving into it. Have fun 🙂

            • Frodis73

              Hey Mick, it is online. You can buy it too, esp since they re-issued it, but you can read it online too.

            • Mick Roberts

              Great, thanks a ton Frodis.

    • Techie

      You won’t learn too much about Scientology from the movie. If you go to the library, open the book and read the first few pages, up to the point where Terl talks about “leverage” you will gain some insight on the way Hubbard viewed the world. Split into two groups: oppressors and oppressed. The rest of it is just a pulp mashup from the 30s.

      • Missionary Kid

        Everything the Hubs wrote, including Dianetics was a mashup from the 30’s, IMO.

      • flyonthewall

        are you saying Hubbard had a Marxist view of the world or was he more Hobbesian?

    • flyonthewall

      you won’t learn anything about scientology but it’s fun to laugh at how horrible it is.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Will it help a little in my quest for knowledge about the beliefs of this group?

      It won’t tell you on anything beyond Miscavige’s influence (and high hopes) during production and executive heavy, heavy promotion for scilons to go see it in theaters, numerous times. This lasted only until no more than 48 hours after the movie premiered, unilaterally bombed and sealed John Travolta’s exclusion from Miscavige’s “in” crowd.

      Notice that cos’s 2016 push for BE book sales makes not a single mention of the movie.

      That’s how bad it is

    • OTD:OutTheDoor

      Definitely see Rinder and Rathbun discussing this as they fish.

    • MarcabExpat

      I think the background Scien elements of BE are really more accessible once you’ve dug in and had some experience, so you recognize those elements when you see them. If you’re just newly down the rabbit hole, you’re just setting yourself up for a miserable movie experience. That flick is teeth-gnashingly bad. Worth coming back to later, though.

      • Mick Roberts

        That makes sense. Will finish a few more books first and learn more reading the daily posts here and on Mike Rinder’s blog before diving into that movie.

    • Qbird

      Battlefield Earth will show you in the most inept way possible, in a mostly dreary blue & grey, oddly framed & tilted, illogical sci-fi movie, just how LRH feels about MAN, the future and the past blended together incomprehensibly — it will impinge upon you how magical & secret advanced technology truly DOES help beings get leverage over one another. Having, getting, owning, buying & selling leverage is a big deal in Hubbardo’s asshole ‘world’ of BE. All of it, from right out of his mind. Tons o’ fun. sure.
      It’s an insipid dopey thick ugly movie. I found it a bit more palatable to just listen to the audio rather than actually watch it, but even then, it just wasn’t grand in any way. The cloddish dialogue will make you laugh although you’re not suppose to. I believe there are worse ways in which to kill time, but I can’t think of anything right at the moment to match watching this particular movie.
      my .02 cents worth. 😛

  • Sherbet

    In cultural news, I’ve got one sister finishing up “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely” and getting appropriately angry at the church for what it did to Paulette Cooper, and the other sister singing Leah Remini’s praises and hoping for a second season after watching the Aftermath series.

    • flyonthewall

      good disseminating Sherb!

    • Missionary Kid

      We’re gonna have the 3 Sherb sisters. Look out Co$!

    • Rasha

      Do they have cool flying saucers? HMMM???

      • Sherbet

        No, they don’t, and I don’t want them hanging around the Bunker, either. That’s MY territory.

        • Rasha

          ….that’s a good idea. We have that market pretty much cornered. 😉

          • Sherbet

            Oh, you mean the saucers. Yes, we’re the Bunker saucer people. Anyway, my sisters would cramp my style in the Bunker…if I had a style, that is.

            • Rasha

              *word-clears “style”*

              ….Huh…. ‘Sherb.’

              Huh.

            • Sherbet

              Aw. 🙂

    • thetastic

      I cannot imagine having more than one sister.

  • One time, I went to a Halloween party at Nancy Cartwright’s house and she didn’t even show up. To her own party.

    • Jimmy3

      Maybe she was dressed as a houseplant and never broke character.

    • flyonthewall

      One time I had a snake, man. I fed it some beer. It was slithering this way and that

      • Was the snake named Nancy Cartwright?

        • Missionary Kid

          *Smile*

      • jayla197145

        Fly, did you really used to own a snake? I’d be too scared it might get loose or something!

        • flyonthewall

          I used to have a couple snakes yes. A few got loose and I never saw them again, one died, gave 2 to my kids’ school for their classroom.

          I never gave any of them beer though, that was just an Adam Sandler ref

          eta – I gave them away bc for some reason I started getting paranoid about the heat lamps causing a house fire. Is too bad bc they can be very beautiful nice pets

          • jayla197145

            I wonder if a snake would like beer…Hmmm….is that the same Adam Sandler CD that has the line (I think it goes like this) “One time I saw my grandmother in the shower, her ____ was down to her bellybutton!”

            • flyonthewall

              that’s it

            • Kestrel

              Hair shampoo?

            • jayla197145

              LOL!! Actually looking at this again I think maybe Adam Sandler said “her ___ was up (not down) to her bellybutton” But either way, hair shampoo is appropriate. 🙂 😉

    • Missionary Kid

      Do you think that she threw it just so it would get her Brownie Points with Co$? I take it that this occurred before you joined the sea org.

      • After. We were invited because my dad worked with her.

    • Observer

      You wouldn’t expect her to rub shoulders with all you DBs, would you?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Did you ever think that you might have shown up at the wrong house..?

      • I mean it was the address that she gave to my dad. There was someone there to greet us although i don’t remember who.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Oldest trick in the book. Lol.

    • Did they ask for donations?

    • janedoe2

      I went to a Halloween party at Nancy Cartwright’s house and not only was she not there, but the house was locked up and all the events took place outside on the lawn and tennis court and they had Port A Potty’s there. I was bummed because I thought I’d get to meet her.

      • I think we were at the same party.

  • GoneToPlaid

    I wonder if not being able to post picture on Disqus was related to the amazon web services outage earlier today…

    https://gizmodo.com/amazon-just-broke-the-internet-1792827856

  • Jeb Burton

    Nancy Cartwriight doesn’t seem like a monster to me. Maybe its because I am a huge Simpsons honk. She seems to be misguided on her beliefs, but I dont think she is doing harm to anyone. Ron Miscaviage, who beat his wife and kids seems to be admired in here. Im sure if Nancy leaves the church tomorrow, you people would be praising her. I hate the fucking scientologists, but lets talk about the real evil, its not Nancy.

    • Frodis73

      for me, she is one of those that just rubs me the wrong way. If she leaves and speaks out, awesome, I will support her in that, but I still do not like her. I am a pretty big Simpson’s fan too btw.

    • Jimmy3

      The real evil is the monster who stole Jeb Burton’s Disqus account.

    • flyonthewall

      I only admire him bc of the Exer-genie. He made that thing his bitch!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Sometimes your comments make me laugh. This was one of those times.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Do you have a bitch?

        • flyonthewall

          i have you. Does that count?

    • The real evil is dead and there’s nothing anyone can do about that. Scientology has become a self-perpetuating monster. Miscavige is just the flywheel, tapping at it once in a while to keep it going.

    • Frodis73

      Btw Jeb, I am no fan of wife beaters in any way, but in the case of Ron Miscavige I do not think he is a serial abuser. He has been with his second wife for many years and many of those years they were in the church h together. If he had been beating on her too, that would have come out in auditing and DM would add that to the list of reasons he is a bad person. I do believe it is possible that in that first marriage those two just totally clashed. Does that excuse what he did? No f’n way. Unlike with most men that beat on women, he doesn’t seem to have repeated this behavior. From what we know, I wouldn’t classify him as a serial abuser as it looks like it was pretty specific. I also believe he feels bad about it…it seems that towards the end he and the ex were at least friendly with each other. That also counts for something.

      • Jeb Burton

        I hope you are right. People that abuse woman and children usually don’t change without counseling. Its the way they get their point across. I have always been skeptical of Ron. I think his son parrots the behavior of his father.

        • flyonthewall

          he didn’t abuse the kids, the wife yes but not the kids. The kids part is CoS smear bs

        • Sherbet

          I think Ron’s a goof and a fan of Hubbard, but his stories about Dave are priceless and damaging, especially the documented story about the PIs.

        • Frodis73

          Trust me, I know they do not change, rarely anyway. Which is why the church would have a lot more in his confessions about this if he had kept it up.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      ” I dont think she is doing harm to anyone.”

      Not the direct kind of harm that lil davey + evil minions perpetrate, but as one of the cult’s biggest whale, she’s done more than her share of harm by fueling the beast and keeping the tiny tyrant in power. So, in my book she’s totally culpable.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      “I dont think she is doing harm to anyone.” I disagree, Jeb. She donates money to an evil destructive scam of a cult that destroys families and drove her fiancé to suicide. Every dollar she gives is used to underwrite the human rights abuses and criminal actions of her masters. And every picture she is in helps to “normalize” the organization, especially for Simpson fans.

      The only thing keeping Co$ afloat is whales and minor celebs like her.

  • nottrue
    • Jimmy3

      :/

    • Ugh this just broke my heart. Conrado is someone who used to work with my dad at Wiseman & Burke. Poor guy.

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?43561-Conrado-Vico-ex-Sea-Org-member-RIP&p=1134446#post1134446

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I hope LRH’s “evil psychs” BS didn’t keep him from seeking proper mental healthcare after he left the CO$ 🙁

    • Sherbet

      What the? It’s not March 1 yet in California, where Karen is.

      • Kestrel

        I think ESMB is based in Australia.

        • Sherbet

          Oh, OK. That explains it. Never mind. And BTW, sad story.

          • April

            Don’t feel bad. The date confused me too.

  • itsIBBy

    Hey friends, hi and hello. Just popping in for a quick wave. We did end up having to put my older pug down last week 🙁 🙁 but its for the best. I’m also moving tomorrow and that’s its own shit show, but hopefully the dust settles and I’m back with more regularity

    besos!

    • Observer

      🙁

      • Jimmy3

        The bunker just took a rapid turn into depressing. I blame Jeb Burton.

        • Chee Chalker

          Where is Jeb? Haven’t seen him in forever

          ETA: Nevermind…..found him

          • Mick Roberts

            See a couple of comments below. (Sort by Newest)

            • Kestrel

              Well, that ruined the joke.

          • Rasha

            (purses lips, glancing indication downthread) Hmm! Hmmm-hmmm!

    • Chee Chalker

      I’m sorry about your pug….tough to lose a furry friend.
      Good luck with the move!
      If only you were a celebrity you could join a cult, I mean a religion, and it’s slave labor, um excuse me, religious volunteers could help you.

    • jayla197145

      Hi IBBy, I realize you don’t know me but I am sorry to hear about your doggie. 🙁 And I know moving is stressful so I hope it goes as smoothly as possible. 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      itsIBBY, I am sorry about your pup. And good luck with the move.

  • Observer

    Google German Carnival Floats Trump. :-O

    • Jimmy3

      !!!!!!!!

      • Observer

        IKR?!

    • Kestrel

      Better that than “garlic and cheese hot dogs.”

    • daisy

      It must be comforting to know the world thinks the same way .

    • flyonthewall

      Germans are great

  • Going to fry some onions, natural eggs and chopped organic chicken garlic and cheese hot dogs.
    Might add some ragu to that omelet and may be feta cheese. Watch Netflix in a process and set lemon water next to my bed. Good night.

    • April

      I made some delicious beans and rice for supper.

      • Sherbet

        What were your crimes?

        • April

          I like beans and rice? Delicious if you make it properly.
          ETA: And I was never forced to eat it for days, weeks, or months on end so it doesn’t have a bad connotation for me.

          • Sherbet

            I eat kidney beans on salad just about every lunchtime, for the protein.

            • Kestrel

              The Silver Fox is on TV.

            • Sherbet

              (I don’t really watch it. I was making a joke back then.) But thanks, my rodent-eating friend.

      • kemist

        I like them too. Especially rajma.

        It’s my metabolism and digestive system that does not quite like the amount of starch they contain.

    • flyonthewall

      natural this and organic that and then you ruin it with cheese hot dogs, lol

      • Sherbet

        CHICKEN hot dogs.

        • flyonthewall

          ohhh so the chopped organic chicken and the cheese hot dogs are one and the same. Ok I was reading it as two different things. Fly dumb sometimes

          • Kestrel

            I was sitting here thinking, “Garlic and cheese hot dogs?”

            • flyonthewall

              eww. I was like ohh that sounds so healthy and then, cheese hotdogs!? *shrug* sounds weird to me but whatever

          • Sherbet

            I’m reading the recipe while Dodo is cooking. That’s how I know. Smells great, too.

    • Rasha

      I made French Toast out of Uno’s crouton bread appetizers and a side of Canadian bacon for dinner. Wish I had added onions, now, darn it…..

    • daisy

      God Dodo you eat the weirdest things .

      • Add fresh cucumbers.

        • Kestrel

          I’ll eat the cucumbers. you can have the garlic and cheese hot dogs.

      • kemist

        Don’t know, that sounds good. And compatible with my diet. I’d just use some salsa instead of ragu, as that probably contains more sugar than my daily allowance.

        • daisy

          I am sorry about your diet then.

          • kemist

            It’s all right. You get used to it, and it beats hypoglycemia attacks and uncontrolled GERD.

            Plus, when you become as unused to sugar as I am, fruit litteraly tastes like candy.

            • Jimmy3

              Same thing for fruit loops, but you don’t even have to quit sugar.

            • kemist

              Yeah, well, I’d rather quit.

              Fruit Loops are not worth waking up in the night sweating and shaking from hypoglycemia.

            • Jimmy3

              Coco Puffs?

            • kemist

              Meh.

              Now, if we’re talking about brownies…

            • daisy

              I am glad you get used to it . I am afraid of getting old age diabetes because of the diet .

      • Jimmy3

        If he’s talking about deli sausages with chicken, garlic and cheese in them, that sounds like something I’d definitely eat. I think the “hot dog” label is throwing people off.

        • daisy

          For me the thing is the ragu on the eggs. He has posted other weird things to my palate at least. To each his own . Yes I did think he was throwing in cut up hot dogs .Thanks for clarifying

    • Frodis73

      I was with you til you hit the hot dog part…have a g’night tho!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I know, right?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Dude, are you pregnant?

  • Rasha

    I understand the idea that anyone’s creative effort should be judged on its own merit, and that Cartwright’s production may have a level of quality that will surprise us all with insight and poetic meaning….

    …Nah…..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f69150caebb8a8e2be65ecab33e3d636519ad92b1b560e2b5b1d10a3dc2944c0.gif

  • Jimmy3

    Trump Drinking Game:

    Just drink throughout the entire speech.

    • Observer
      • Jimmy3

        greatest tweet ever

        • daisy

          Pssst What reptile dies when sprinkling salt on it ?

          • Sherbet

            Slugs dry up, I think.

            • Observer

              They foam and shrivel.

          • Jimmy3

            I was assuming she meant slug. They shrivel up instantly.

          • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

            Snail?

            • daisy

              Garlic salt and butter excellent on snails ( escargot ) . certainly better than whatever Dodo is eating .

            • Rasha

              Periwinkles in soy and Chinese cooking wine…..

          • Liberated

            Slug

          • Rasha

            Gamera?

      • flyonthewall

        how did you get this!? You’re not on Twitter. Who gave this to you!?? Answer me!

        eta – *shakes Obs*
        I think the comment sounds better with some shaking action

        • Observer

          I stole it off my cousin on facebook

          • flyonthewall

            I didn’t raise you to be a thief! You’re grounded, no shooping for a week

            • Observer

              Okay.

      • kemist

        I’d try a flame thrower.

        You have to be thorough with such creatures : http://www.theonion.com/article/steve-bannon-mixes-discarded-climate-change-report-55278

    • daisy

      DONE

      • Jimmy3

        we’re all winners!

      • Liberated

        That’s the only sane thing I’ve heard in a long time!

    • Rasha

      Wait – start after it begins? Dammit, JimmyJimmyJimmy!!!!

    • Rasha

      speech presidency.

      FIFY

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    So, the goal isn’t really to help anyone. It is to sell LRH books. How about calling it the $cientology Bait & Switch Meetup?

    (refresh)
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    • Kestrel

      …”that is simply a button pushing name…” says it all, doesn’t it?

    • Jimmy3

      That idea wouldn’t be half-baked even if the oven actually worked.

    • kemist

      I would get very, very rude if I showed up to a “Domestic Violence Meetup” and found out it’s a bunch of scilons “pushing buttons”.

      There’s a chance I’d start, uhm, “pushing buttons”.

      Pushing buttons of domestic abuse victims. What a bunch of fucking creeps.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, getting worked over by “a small team of Scios” is just what every domestic violence victim needs… UGH!

        • Sherbet

          The sentences that begin with “I added this idea…” barely make sense. Scratch that. They make NO sense.

      • Liberated

        Scientology always blames the victim…I know I’ve been there.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        This is so so sick.

    • Frodis73

      They are so revolting. I would flip out if I showed up and they started pushing sci on me. There is no low too low for these guys.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That is fucking low.

  • It was recently discovered that Conrado Vico, 55, of Los Angeles, a former
    member of the Sea Organization, an elite Church of Scientology
    organization, died after jumping from the Bixby Creek Bridge, in Big
    Sur, Monterey County California, last year. According to a detective
    from the Monterey County Sheriffs Department, Vico likely jumped from
    the Bixby Bridge on June 11 or 12, 2015, but his remains were not
    discovered by hikers until June 13.

    Vico’s rental car was found nearby, with some personal effects locked in
    the trunk. Vico’s death was ruled a suicide by the Monterey Country
    Coroner’s Office. Conrado Vico was born on February 28, 1960, in
    Argentina. He came to Los Angeles in 1990, and joined the Church of
    Scientology’s Sea Organization. He worked as an accountant at the
    “Citizens Commission on Human Rights” (CCHR), whose website describes
    itself as “a nonprofit mental health watchdog” organization. The group
    is known for opposition for the profession of psychiatry as practiced in
    the US. Less known is that CCHR is staffed by Church of Scientology Sea
    Org members, and adheres to the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard, the
    controversial science-fiction author who founded the Church of
    Scientology in the 1950’s. Vico began to voice disagreement with the
    Church as he felt it diverged from the original teachings of L. Ron
    Hubbard in its current state. Vico cut ties with the Sea Organization
    and exited the SO in the late 1990’s.

    After his death, family members discovered documents indicating Vico was
    preparing to file a lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, along
    with copies of letters Vico wrote to his congresswoman, complaining of
    harassment and surveillance by COS, and a police report, again in which
    Vico had complained about harassment of him by the Church of
    Scientology.

    Interestingly, an acquaintance of Vico’s, Mr. Steve Brackett, of
    Clearwater FL, (also a member of the Church of Scientology) similarly
    leaped to his death from the same Highway 1 Bixby Creek on the Big Sur
    Coast, six years previously, on May 28, 2009.

    Today’s blog is on Nancy Cartright, voice of Bart and it was her OT 8 fiance Steve Brackett who hurled himself off the exact same bridge (How odd) after being gouged to the hilt for $$$ from the cult which
    bankrupted him literally to death. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c10bf05d2cd5c519dd16d579eba9088025fa4d0d2971ed830a3d37069fac9e7.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/611fe23acca892b7fdcd6058fbaae66083f9a0bda7ff4a2b8513ebc82b037606.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/72a592fdbfadb821898b7bf17d241cfff2925928850de7d26d159490eb9daad2.jpg
    Conrado Vico’s father is a
    very high military official in Argentina.

    Conrado is survived by two sisters and one brother.

    Great that he exited the cult before he passed.
    RIP Conrado. Vaya con Dios

    • Sherbet

      Wow. What an indictment against the effectiveness of scientology to heal mental illnesses. Let’s hope this isn’t the end of the revelations Conrado Vico was planning to reveal in his lawsuit. It would be his legacy.

      Today would have been Conrado Vico’s birthday.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh my God, another suicide, This cult is so evil, so destructive. I am so sorry for Conrado and his family.

    • We need a way to know when members exit so that they can be helped. Scientology programs persons to do themselves in.

      • Add: per some fairly recent accounts there are/were 200 trying to leave FSO and 100 from PAC. Apparently they are kept in a group together.
        In 2005/6 the gal that I recognized from the GOLD films who was a ballerina was next door at my neighbors I knew. He had told me he had a daughter at GOLD a year or two earlier.
        I went over to meet her and a guy that was with her. Both looked so depressed but told me they’d routed out. I offered them possession of an extra car which they refused. Then I just didn’t know these people that leave need to be helped by someone who has left and knows what mind tricks are likely occurring. I had no idea what I’d have to go through in my mind to get even just this far out. Its not a simple common sense comes naturally path.
        Karen thanks for posting the report.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I had no idea about these men. I swear, the more I read about Scientology, the more disgusted I get. As if that’s even possible!

      Human rights MY ASS!!!

  • daisy

    MMM What to watch , what to watch . There is The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and the presidential address. I think I will go for the shrill , whiny , gossipy , back stabbing one and watch Trump.

    • jayla197145

      Good call Daisy! 🙂

    • Frodis73

      I am torn. I hate him, but I like to stay informed (though what he will say will not inform) on these things. Plus, watching him melt down is at least semi entertaining.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I figure I can find out later what happened. Wondering if I can get through the next four years without having to look at his ugly frown.

        • Frodis73

          It’s bad and you are not missing much.

    • I’m going to watch 1984 for first time 🙂

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Yeah, it’s a CON alright! HA!
    And clam child molester James Barbour? Really? Do I want hear the sordid details of what gave this pervert “growth”? How many clams can you spot?
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b6093191ceee5c20c76fcc700ef8d272d770ae8453775381b8173866e9ad66b.png

    • Sunny Sands

      I thought that was a shoop at first, but it’s not, LOL.

    • Jimmy3

      “Subject Matter Experts”

      Lol wtf?

      • Frodis73

        IKR? Where do they come up with this stuff? lol

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        SMEs are a real thing. IDK in this context though…

        • Jimmy3

          That’s way too vague to be a real thing.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Why is Barbour out of (actual) prison?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        IIRC, he plead down the charges. He should have had to register as a registered sex offender in my IMHO. What a slimeball.

    • Gus_Cox

      Oh, Lord. 3 days of rah-rah motivational speaking. “Just do what I did and you’ll be a Ga-Zillionaire!”

      “No stinkin’ thinkin’ – don’t pass negative – counsel with your upline – blah blah blah.”

      What a racket.

  • Frodis73

    OT-I want to smack those smiles off Paul Ryan and Pences face! Smug, evil freaks.

  • daisy

    His sniffs remind me of our own blinky . Oh and every coke addict .

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Kirstie “Narconon saved my life!” Alley??

      Now she’s just a food addict.

  • Jimmy3

    Pence is looking at that thing on Donald’s head like he wants to fuck it
    Buy it a fucking drink first, you creep

    • Frodis73

      LMAO! Lord, did I need to laugh! Barely into this and he’s lying and bragging and saying nothing of substance. I hate this freak more than anybody on Earth right now. To see these Repubs giving him a standing O for every sentence he utters makes me ill.

      • Liberated

        I know…makes me sick.
        I decided to resume watching “The Commitments ” on Netflix.

  • valshifter

    Bragging rights for the BEVERLY HILLS PLAYHOUSE!, to creep up on the unsuspecting, weather the movie does good or not at the box office they will use it to show how great the Scientologist are doing.

  • Jimmy3

    Paul Ryan just whispered something smarmy to Pence about the Dakota pipeline, and Pence straight up ignored him. Still fantasizing about that thing on Donald’s head. He was thinking of a different pipeline.

  • Mick Roberts

    Off-topic from this particular post, but on Mike Rinder’s blog, I just posted a YouTube video that was posted by Tony that includes audio of a woman getting declared an SP that I first watched a few weeks ago. The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S6f1sC_t1E

    I’m curious if Tony wrote a story about this here on the Bunker, and if so, if anyone happens to have a link to the story. I just listened to this again and would love to know the story behind it (if there is any further information available).

    • Tony Ortega
      • Mick Roberts

        Oh damn. I’m a bit computer illiterate. Totally missed that. Thanks a ton Tony.

        • Mick Roberts

          Just read the article. Amazing. When she listed what was going to happen to her after getting declared (divorce, disconnection, etc.), the Ethics Officer did nothing to correct her or deny any of that stuff would happen…..which kinda blows a hole in that whole “there is no disconnection policy” BS claim that CoS puts out there.

          Was a good ending though. I’m glad her husband left with her. I need to spend some time reading through all posts here on the Bunker (and Rinder’s) that were discussed before my time here a couple of months ago. Fascinating stuff.

    • JJ

      Listening to this. All I can think is good god life is already so fucking complicated what in the hell hell!? Somehow thins makes sense to you. Making up the pretend crap and made up words and fantastical morals and values and life how to live its and then going off on others and the rest of the world. Good grief, remove brain, insert religion… It just seems insane. I am not a joiner so I can’t fathom the use of any of this. “You think i did something bad and now I am not allowed in the clubhouse any more…” I couldn’t care less. But once you give it value, it has value. If it’s true for you… and then we decide you didn’t do it right… You’re fucked.” Amen. Pass.

  • Jimmy3

    By “Moose-lim World”, he means Canada. Still fucking hates Muslims.

  • Jimmy3

    Bragging that Harley Davidson displayed motorcycles on the front lawn of the White House. Classy. I have a neighbor who does that and that guy never wears a shirt.

    • daisy

      The only Lincoln he ever heard of without outside advisors is possibly the luxury car , and then only to brag that he has one

  • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

    When is he going to give any details? It’s just a polished version of his campaign.
    I’m going to do this I’m going to do that.
    When is he going to actually start and what’s the fucking plan?
    Congress isn’t going to vote for any of this shit.

    • Jimmy3

      Yes they will. Because everything is huge and great and fantastic.

      • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

        Next year will be interesting, when he gets his high school civics lesson and realizes congress has to vote for this and they won’t. That is if he lasts that long.

        • Jimmy3

          They control both houses. The speaker of the house is embarrassed to stand up because he has a boner.

          • daisy

            We do not want to leave anyone out ( except of course Mexicans and Muslims )

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        And beautiful. Don’t forget beautiful.

    • Ben Franklin

      This is what trump had to say about healthcare after he bragged about being able to solve the problem very easily during the campaign.

      “Now, I have to tell you, it’s an unbelievably complex subject, Nobody knew health care could be so complicated.”

      Then he said “We have come up with a solution that’s really, really I think very good.” Yeah right. He demonized Obama care now he realizes health care is not an easy thing to deal with

      • Frodis73

        That really pissed me off! Oh really Do? It’s complicated? No shit Sherock!!

  • Roger Hornaday

    I just noticed “In Search of Fellini” is available for streaming on the internet.

    • April

      How bout you take one for the team. Watch it and give us a review?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Here’s where he should build his wall –
    it’s the only place it won’t cost taxpayers (of whom he isn’t one) billions:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6aa800d14a6b2c11310bd4f00001edc6ab670490e76c64480e91d7b9c558d92.jpg

    • Jimmy3

      That same font is used on almost every authentic Mexican restaurant around here, and it’s always a damn good thing.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve had very mediocre and some excellent Mexican food all over the U.S.

        Story: A third Mexican restaurant opened in Oshkosh, WI. (Population 66,000+). Someone wrote the local newspaper saying that they couldn’t understand how another Mexican restaurant could make it in Oshkosh because there weren’t that many Mexicans there.

  • Jimmy3

    Poor Tammy Duckworth looked like a POW being forced to clap for Trump.

    • daisy

      LOL – this is the best way to live blog . Drunk and mad .

  • This is Conrado’s last letter to the cult before he killed himself.
    Conrado believed that the technology of the Cult was his salvation.
    They had used him for slave labor, but they now declared him “illegal pc.”

    (Part 1)

    To: Pam Shannon OSA, LA Day
    Church of Scientology
    4810 Sunset Blvd.
    Los Angeles, CA 90027
    cc: Dir I&R Wise Int.
    6331 Hollywood Blvd., Ste. 701
    Los Angeles, CA 90028
    From: Conrado Vico

    Re: My Illegal Pc Petition and my status as a member of the Church of Scientology

    This
    is to inform you that due to a number of events that have transpired in
    the last few years since I last petitioned you, I do no longer support
    nor I consider myself a member of the Church of Scientology.
    My reasons are as follows:

    The Church of Scientology suppressive Management was the only entity
    that stopped me cold on my way up the bridge. This was done while in the
    Sea Org and after I had been thoroughly security checked, effectively
    completing grade two and after having attained the EP of the PTS
    Rundown, with my father totally handled in session.

    • The idiots
    that run the tech lines at AO and Snr. C/S Int, had nothing better to
    do than to declared me illegal Pc based on my father’s Intelligence
    career. It did no matter that I was already disconnected and living 5000
    miles away in another country. It did not matter that I have removed
    myself, on my own determinism from all association with the Argentinean
    Navy Intelligence and my family, becoming a semi homeless expatriate in
    Los Angeles.
    More importantly, it did no matter that neither my
    father nor any member of my family ever dared to interfere with me in my
    adult life, let alone with Scientology.

    • No, the Squirrels had
    to reverse every gain that I had made with Scientology and end My Grade
    II by kicking me out of the Bridge and effectively parking me in limbo
    for the next 20 years of my life.

    • No, you had to make sure that
    I was guilty of having being born in the wrong’ family, and to
    paraphrase Sonya, the corrupt EO of LA DAY, I was responsible by
    “agreement”.

    • Then while I was spun in by the sudden, arbitrary
    and capricious denial of scientology, one degrade being pretending to be
    the Supercargo at Wise Int., refused to put me on a routing out form,
    while the idiot that called himself CO Wise Int (Quentin Strub)
    attempted to manhandle me into remaining in the Sea Org (while being
    illegal pc of course). Quentin and his robots at Wise Int tried to top
    that up with an unsuccessful attempt at having me redo all of my
    recently done confessionals. Those were the actions of a cult, clearly
    intended to reverse Scientology tech on me, with the sole intention of
    forcefully keeping me as a body for your own benefit.
    Apparently the highest tone level that is attained in the Sea Organization is between owning and controlling bodies.


    It gets even better. Gary Jacobs the MAA at AOLA in 1989 justified my
    being declared illegal pc because he saw my father as a “dangerous
    psychotic”.
    Irony of Ironies I was stopped cold and thrown out of the Bridge, because by all accounts, my
    father acted very much like one sociopath, also known as COB RTC, David Miscavige, the self-appointed Leader of Scientology.


    In defense of my father. He was from a time and place where violence
    and intolerance for political view was the norm. In my country, people
    have been regularly killing and beating them self up for over half a
    century just for daring to express a different ideology. My father was a
    member of a group whose avowed goals and purposes were to violently
    attack and suppress any perceived enemy of the state. He did not pretend
    to be the leader of a religion that brings a new age of spiritual
    freedom and understanding to the people of earth, as David Miscavage
    does. While pretending to be the successor of LRH, David Miscavige beats
    tortures and incarcerates any unlucky Sea Org member that has fallen
    within his poisonous influence.

    • No, the only people that have
    ever denied Scientology to me have been Sea Org members, and the
    International Management of Scientology. It was all done quoting LRH, of
    course, and for my “own good” mind you.

    • I have no doubt in my
    mind that the Sea Org under David Miscavage, given the opportunity,
    would turn the entire planet into a control operation nightmare, which
    would make the Argentinean Junta’s repression apparatus look like
    child’s play.

    Believe me; I’m not looking forward to a future
    where forced confessions, sleep deprivation, and coercion are the “Road
    to Total Freedom”. Where forced detention in The Hole, and RPF
    reeducation camps are exported to the world as the technologies for the
    mind. It sounds like Black Dianetics to me.

    ~~~to be continued

    • iampissed

      I know I’m not going to want to read this but I will.
      This isn’t going to turn out well.
      ETA…good post Karen….timing might be a bit off, as our orange smuff is talking. Just my 2CW

  • Jimmy3

    Paul Ryan manages to look smugly satisfied even while applauding a murder victim’s daughter. How the hell do you do that

    • Liberated

      Because, he’s the spineless, evil spawn of Ayn Rand….that’s why.

      • Frodis73

        Aw! The Commitments! One of the best movies, ever. I love, love, love that movie. Haven’t seen it for years.

      • Missionary Kid

        I never get tired of posting this. Ayn Rand and LRH. Stuff that must have happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5YWTFW5WMw

        • Liberated

          That was great, I loved it!!!!!!

          • Missionary Kid

            It fits so well.

        • Liberated

          Ok, you have to see this movie….Clear History, made for HBO by Larry David.

          It’s hilarious, they name a car after Howard Roarke, from the Rand novel.

          It’s still available on hbo go.

          • Missionary Kid

            I don’t have HBO go, but I’ll note it for future viewing.

            Ayn Rand’s characters, as I remember them, were either all good or all ignorant and evil. Reading her biography, I believe that her whole philosophy is based on her efforts to fight the evils of Communism that confiscated her parent’s pharmacy in the Russian revolution, and took her comfortable family home and made her family share it with many others.

            She railed against the evils of “collectivism”, which she saw under every bed. She didn’t, I believe, understand the difference between a democratic society, where people make choices to cooperate, and the dictatorial system that arose in Russia.

            IMO, her philosophical followers today also fail to make that distinction. They label government as evil, and taxation as theft by government.

            • Liberated

              I read a Rand bio too and I agree, she seemed to confuse democracy and egoism. Her personal philosophy was “me first…me only” I found her exceptionally selfish, giving no thought to anything but her own lust and desires.

              She detested any form of government and support safety nets, and she was a raging atheist, and seemed to respect no opinion but her own.

              I’ll never forget seeing her on Johnny Carson back in the 60’s…..she actually said this…” poor people don’t deserve love, there’s nothing I can do about it, but they don’t deserve it.”
              She also thought serial killers were ok cause they were doing what they wanted to do.

              But in the end she proved to be the hypocrite, collecting social security and medicare.
              It’s depressing to see influential people today espousing her views.

            • Missionary Kid

              Somebody has said that what objectivism does is allow men to act like 15 year old boys.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      His downfall is among my top anticipated political downfalls, up there with Jason “Fuck DC Home Rule” Chaffetz and Steve “Thomas Cromwell, Except for the Whole Execution Part, He Hopes” Bannon.

      • Frodis73

        OMG, yes! Please let this happen!! I will dance a jig for the day all those guys go down.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I’m already shining up my tap shoes.

  • Jimmy3

    Okay is this on a loop or is this still happening

    • Jimmy3

      I feel horrible for her but that was uncomfortable

    • daisy

      Oh fuck me , he is Satan quoting the bible .

  • Jimmy3

    “The money is pouring in. Very nice. Very nice.”
    Just wrap it up there before you embarrass us any further.

    • daisy

      Sorry not possible. The world hates him too. Even the English Lords wanted to keep her from meeting him. They have a law not to embarrass the queen .

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I heard that in Mrs. Dubcek’s voice, from Third Rock From the Sun.

  • Jimmy3

    Nancy Pelosi can’t wait to get drunk and hit someone in the face

    • daisy

      Me too !

  • Jimmy3

    Look how fast the Democratic women are hustling out of there! Best scene of the night!

    • Jimmy3

      Trump said “Thank y—” and Elizabeth Warren was already in the lobby pouring Nancy Pelosi a drink out of her flask

  • daisy

    I am surprised lightning did not smite him when he mentioned God .

  • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

    This new VOICE office is terrible “to publicize immigrant crimes.” That’s just propaganda and immigrants commit violent crimes at lower rates than U.S.-born citizens.

    • Frodis73

      Straight out of the Nazi’s play book too!

  • Jimmy3

    Okay, that is over. Sorry to hijack your blog. Probably should brush my teeth after I throw up.

    • daisy

      I am sorry too. Now about scientology ….

      • Jimmy3

        I guess I’ll have to brush them again. Thanks daisy.

    • Elegant Mess

      Thanks for taking one for the team, buddy.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i am going to need medication . Benzo’s . Holy fucking shit

      • Jimmy3

        Yeah, my Xanax Lady doesn’t speak to me anymore, and it is mainly because I made fun of her for supporting troompf. I think I called her a hillbilly one too many times. I need a new Xanax Lady.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i will need her number ….

          i am not kidding when i tell you that my neighbor…who was brought to this country before he was out of diapers

          1. saved 2 peoples in the Aurora Shooting spree
          2. is brilliant and graduated from high school with two associates degrees
          3. applied to M.I.T. on a lark …and got in , but could not go because he could not get school loans because he was brought here when he was in diapers .
          4. was in my kitchen tonight …on his knees , crying his eyes out

          he is 24

          • Liberated

            OMG…I’m speechless!!

            • Kim O’Brien

              His name is Christian …and he wants to be a surgeon

            • EmmaDaoust

              Give him hugs from Canada.

          • Jimmy3

            Well I made fun of a hillbilly until she disconnected from me. So we’ve both accomplished a lot.

          • daisy

            I am so sorry about your friend . It is terrifying to a lot of good decent , wonderful people .

            • Kim O’Brien

              it was like watching someone drown ….i feel sick . And enraged .

            • Jimmy3

              Sorry to be insensitive. Levity is all I know. And hillbillies.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i love you for knowing both of those things 😉

            • daisy

              I am trying to say something comforting but there really isn*t anything to say . I can only imagine how enraged and sick you must feel. It is absolutely appalling that this man is president or rather his flunkie Bannon.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i am glad i have this place and you guys …otherwise , i might need a new liver

            • Liberated

              I hear ya ..girl!

            • Jimmy3

              This place might be the worst possible option if you’re looking for a new liver.

            • daisy

              Mine is huge , I will give her some .

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Wow, Eb from Green Acres is now the governor of Kentucky? I did not know that… 😉

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “Historic tax reform” The Donald
    For the uber-rich – PA

    “The time for trivial fights is behind us.” The Donald
    Let’s have some really serious fights instead.- PA

    “We cannot allow our nation to become a sanctuary for extremists.” The Donald
    Bit late, mate – look at those who voted for you.
    And look at Bannon – oh, never mind. – PA

    “Education is the civil rights issue of our time.” The Donald
    Global warming and anthropogenic climate change is.
    The disparity between the haves and have nots is.
    The continuing systemic racism of the United States is.
    Your treatment of women is.
    Voting discrimination and gerrymandering are.
    Denial of the First Amendment through calumny and bullying the press is.
    – PA

    This guy deals in dishonesty and con jobs so much he should start his own cult.
    Mebbe he has, at that.
    With product placement, too

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/17a29e14dcedbd771a319535af7dd88d7b2d6c6ab8f4a2284151c93a2acd4781.jpg

    It was almost as ugly as Nancy Cartwright’s toes.

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    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That’s some fungus. ER, stat!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Clicking on today’s headline, I was worried I’d find pics of Nancy’s LRH buddha baby. But no, it was even worse.

    Nancy…being a scilon job creator…you go ahead and keep propping up that dying beast, girl. That list of scilon “celebs” involved sure hammers home the reality that there are so few real celebs left in the cult anymore. I don’t even know who David O’Donnell is. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised that OG OT David Campbell is involved, but I’m mostly surprised his “songstress” wife Raven isn’t. Shouldn’t be surprised, though, that Wiseman & Burke turn up wherever the moneyed scilon set does. Looking at the movie’s IMDB page, I see Sophia Banks (Coloma) worked on costuming, Jason LaRocca mixed the music (explains some IG photos with Campbell a while back, I guess), and our old friend Smale was a PA. Keeping the hangers on hanging on…

    Nancy, girl, I sincerely wish you’d open your eyes, but I know that’s never gonna happen. So instead, I’ll just look f/w to movie night at HowdyCon?

  • madame duran

    Kudos to those who sat through to watch and/or listen to Trump addressing Congress. You have a strong stomach. I simply cannot stand his voice. I still haven’t viewed his Inauguration (I know some details of it but I didn’t actually see the ceremony). It’s not like I’m missing out either–he’ll still be lying and grandstanding himself. His policies won’t change. I hope he chokes on a taco while rushing to eat lunch.

    • Rasha

      …sorry, I was drinking. Miss anything?

    • outraged

      I turned the sound off and read the comments by the news bloggers. It was great. Didn’t have to hear one word.

    • his thoughts are coming out through his mouth and body so we all know wth is going on inside this man

    • EmmaDaoust

      I got rid of my tv during the Rob Ford years.

      • madame duran

        Now his meathead brother is filling the void. Ugh.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Indeed. I also fear Kellie Leitch and Kevin O’Leary. They’re the most vocal and visible now, making the other Conservative candidates look like left wingers.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Bravo is in the final casting stage of it’s newest franchise of the Real Housewives….

    The Real Housewives of $cientology!!!!!

    Starring…..
    Jenna ElfMAN as the advocate of raped babies.
    Kirstie Alley as the yo-yo-dieter with an organic “liaison.” To what? No one knows! But Xenu…
    Kelly Preston as the beard!
    Anne Archer as the pissed-off bitch who IS NOT brainwashed! Does she look it to you??
    Laura Prepon as the wicked-fast-cogniter!! Wins!!
    Mimi Rogers as the squirrel-tech expert.
    Nancy Cartwright as Bart Simpson. And really bad sculptor.
    Jenny Linson as the one most in-need of psychiatric medication & Electro-shock therapy. Like, yesterday.
    ….and Teresa Guidice as the table-flipper!

    Guest stars to be named later.

    Filming is currently in process at Gold. Any questions can be directed to the back-up housewife, Karen Pouw, the thuggish one of the bunch!!! Actually, they’re all quite thuggish….

    You know your gonna watch!!!

    • and an 8 series reality show on how they made the film

      • Taffy Sinclair

        8? very significant number, Dice.

    • maybe they fantasies about making box-office movies at SMP and believe that people will watch it. Boy are they down for Epic Fail

    • Taffy Sinclair

      THIS JUST IN!!!

      Katie Holmes writes impact letter to Pat Harney during her intervention on episode 3….

      • you have to wonder if the script is On Policy?

        • Taffy Sinclair

          And was it word-cleared?

          • lol – M9

            • Taffy Sinclair

              You have to tell me what m9 means, babe.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Is it sexy??

            • Yes! You have the Meter connected to your hands and some idiot on the other side of a table watching every move the needle is doing while you read up loud the text in a stupid book. So to insure that you are totally numb and just yak the whole text out load without any flaws or meter reactions. You will pass the test after a few month and your normal brain functions has been shut down! – The Drama version 🙂

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Sooo, serious question: since the movements on the meter needle have NOTHING to do with thoughts, how does that work???? I’m super-perplexed!!!

            • It’s like when you get red in your face, fast heartbeat etc… something chemical goes on inside your body. Think of goosebumps 🙂 so something is going on and that reads on a meter. The same with a lie detector! So in this case… if you read a text, either for your self or out loud, your brain is doing all kinds of stuff and if you look at a passage or a word where you are uncertain or (mainly) disagreeing, you will see it on the meter. You would get a lot of “Meter reads” if you hook up people watching a scary movie but you have no idea what they are thinking. Just the reaction!. Now – this is my version and some might disagree.

            • Ohh yeah. These word-clearing meter checks is numbered M1 – M9 different methods of reading a text. M1 you just get a meter check after you think you have understand and agreed on the text. M9 is the whole enchilada and take 2 persons

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Well, seeing how I’ma rock-slammer, I’d never pass the m9. or m1.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      No, Jenna Elfman is most definitely not the housewife in her relationship.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        OOOhhhh!!! The plot thickens!!!!!

      • Liberated

        Does she have a pet pony?

        • I want a pony!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          The one named Bodhi, or a different one?

        • Taffy Sinclair

          She’s more apt to have inappropriate relations w/ said pony before owning one.

          What’s your crime, Jenna?? Have you raped a pony???

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Well, this is just great!!

      Laura is demanding a raise becuz the cherch is regging her to death. Andy Cohen & Co. are not budging. Now? She’s threatening to quit mid-season!! So not cool!

      • Maybe Joy Villa could step in?

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Eh,,, she’s kinda a nobody. I’d ask Lila Fitzgerald before I’d ask her….

    • JJ

      Maybe Yingling can be the drunk third ex wife in law who comes in makes cracks and passes out on the furniture and wakes up at the end of the season?

      • Taffy Sinclair

        OOhhh! I smell another real housewives intervention!! Literally!

        Purifs for everyone!!!

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Can I sek-chek Greg Wilhire myself? He & I have “issues.”

      • We a.a.all have – – “Issues!”

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Trust me, you do NOT have issues like Greg and I do. We are still at an impasse regarding our issues.

          • I guess you have to be 2 to have those issues, so no, i don’t have those kind of issues. I do however have issues with the remaining population 🙂

  • Liberated

    Colbert’s live!

    • Missionary Kid

      I won’t gt to see him for 3+ hours out here on the left coast. I’m looking forward to it.

  • Liberated

    It’s officially lent….has everyone decided what vice he/she will “give up?”

    Ha ha ha ha !!!!

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I’m giving up auditing. And Anything aluminum-can related.

      Bye-bye Campbell’s soup!!! You’re an SP!!

      • Taffy Sinclair

        It was between that, or the Real Housewives, and I’m too invested in the storyline involving Anne Archer and Teresa Guidice throwing shade at each other….

      • Missionary Kid

        Campbell’s is in a steel can. Beer and soft drinks are in aluminum. With the upgraded “cans” that are no longer soup cans, I don’t know if they’re steel or aluminum. In any case, they’re overpriced by orders of magnitude, like everything else sold by Co$.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Even the basics??

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup. Their costs for printing anything or producing recorded media have to be very low, considering that they’re mostly produced by essentially slave labor. Yes, Ratcavige has built, now two studios for video production, but that cost was taken care of by donations. The same is true of the printing plant.

            I’m willing to bet that what raises their costs is that they have produced a lot of crap that is sitting in warehouses.

            There’s no fucking way I’ll spend $25 for the new, larger print, Dianetics. The cost, IIRC, for TWTH was estimated by someone, perhaps John P. at about $0.10. How much do they hit up $cientologists for when they supposedly pass them out? I believe they tell them that they cost about $1.00 each.

            When you use slave labor, (sea org) to manufacture and ship something, and you don’t have to pay taxes, you can beat the cost of any commercial printer/video production.

    • Jimmy3

      Crack cocaine. It’ll be rough, but I should be able to manage with regular cocaine.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Or you could freebase! It’s not technically the same as crack….

        • Jimmy3

          You’ve given me a lot to think about. Tweak you very much.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            I love to give back to this planet and it’s inhabitants. Prison planet. 😉

      • Liberated

        Give the pipe a break, man.

      • Juicer77

        We’re here for you JimmyJabs. 😉

    • Calling Sci orgs and reading OT III to them. But once Lent’s over…

      • Newiga

        Hahahahahaaa! First lulz of the morning. Thanks!

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Can I give up the VICE president? hahaha, so cheezie!!!

      • Liberated

        That’s ok.

    • Newiga

      I will give up giving stuff up.

      • Liberated

        I used to say the same thing for years.

        • Newiga

          I know this must be an old joke but I’ve been waiting for long time to tell it. The joke doesn’t really work in my language the same way. We have a similar joke about New Year resolutions, however.

          • Liberated

            What language is that?

            • Newiga

              Finnish. 😊

    • 19 years ago I gave up Christianity for Lent, and it was a good decision.

      • Missionary Kid

        Good joke.

        I basically wandered away from Christianity at least 40 years ago. I called myself an agnostic for most of that time, but for about the last 10 or 15, I’ve called myself an atheist.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Recovering catholic?

          • Missionary Kid

            It would be difficult for me to have a Catholic missionary priest as a father, since my parents were married. 😀

            I was raised by fundamentalist missionaries to China. My dad went there in 1932, and my mother, an RN and engaged to him followed a year later.

            I once had a thought contest with a person raised as a very strict Catholic over who had the most guilt laid on us. They won, because we didn’t venerate or pray to the saints, nor make as big a deal out of martyrs..

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Wow! Hardcore upbringing! Good for you for thinking for yourself now, and believing in what YOU believe.

            • Missionary Kid

              I still have some of my upbringing pup up. I’ve kept most of the kindness and caring, but rejected the theology. I do, however, at times, have “Jesus Loves Me” or “Onward, Christian Soldiers” pop into my head, occasionally, and I end up laughing.

              I was raised in a denomination that is theologically between Baptists and Lutherans. I was raised, as the Baptists say, not to” dance, drink, smoke or chew, or go with girls who do.”

      • Liberated

        I’ve never given up anything for lent ever…I guess that’s why I can make jokes.

        • Missionary Kid

          Lent, in my upbringing, was just a day to be remembered. No biggie. We never gave anything up for lent. The whole fish on Friday thing and giving up stuff for Lent was Catholic rigmarole to us, and weren’t Catholic.

          • Liberated

            Yeah I know….we always kinda made fun of the catholics.

            I was raised on the good book jesus, till I read between the lines….Laura Nyro.

            • Missionary Kid

              Great line. I’ll steal that from you. Laura wrote some good ones.

            • Liberated

              Go to Sara Barellies sings Stoney End..Laura Nyro..utube.
              You’ll love it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.

    • Juicer77

      I don’t give up anything for Lent. I try to make the whole year count on stuff that does good for others. Chest-beating does nobody any good.
      PS Exceptions made for people who give up smoking and other unhealthy habits. 😉

    • Every year, I give up observing lent.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Oh no! Don’t tell me that LRH book sales are down! The after effects of Hurricane Leah? 🙂
    (refresh)
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    • Taffy Sinclair

      Stats are down?? Lower conditions are nigh.

    • Missionary Kid

      What is the relationshp between Galaxy Press and author services?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        “Established in 2002 to meet the growing demand for the fiction works of bestselling author, L. Ron Hubbard, Galaxy Press is managed by Author Services, Inc. and located in the same building on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles, California. It is the United States publisher and distributor for Mr. Hubbard’s complete fiction library.”
        BTW – If you are near LA, they are giving out free tickets to “The 33rd Annual L. Ron Hubbard Writers & Illustrators of the Future Achievement Awards” https://galaxypress.leadpages.co/writers-of-the-future-33rd-awards-rsvp/
        Just don’t tell them XENU sent you…

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ll check it out. I won’t give them my name and address.

        • Missionary Kid

          I just checked. I’m not gonna dress “Black tie optional or Medieval formal”, and they want my email and phone number. I have a cut out email address, but I’m not gonna give them my phone number.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Last year guests could dress steampunk w/masks. I’d love to see some SP pull a “Soy Bomb” stunt, tearing open a shirt to reveal a Stop Disconnection or CO$ Sucks t-shirt. Might be worth the price of a burner phone. I suspected that the possibility of such a scene might have been why they didn’t do the live stream last year 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              Let’s make them think we are. Let their paranoia take over.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Growing demand? For LRH books? Amazon sells every book ever written used for pennies. My god (xenu)! The shipping costs more than the actual book!!

    • Juicer77

      Well, if you’d let your wife out of your sight maybe she could help. Send her out on a press tour by herself. I dare you.

  • Liberated

    I’m watching the Late Late show and Bradley Whitford just called $ci a cult..he said his son went there and took the personality test and held the cans….then it went to jokes.

    He said “can you call it a cult?”

    • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

      Corden called it a conglomerate? Said his son never went back but must get mailers now?

  • Upcoming book: Escaping Scientology, by Karen [Schless] Pressley.

    https://escapingscientology2017.com/2017/02/26/my-upcoming-book/

    ///

  • Bit of dialogue between Leah Remini and Independent Scientologist Andy Nolch.

    https://twitter.com/LeahRemini/status/836832707762073600

    • wtf? lol

      • I found Leah’s response respectful, kind and not surprising given her prior Tweet:

        https://twitter.com/LeahRemini/status/821555730280943617

        • With all due respect… i’m not supportive about encouraging any form of LRH or his SCAM.

          • Ben Franklin

            Many independent Scientologists eventually realize that Scientology is flawed at it’s core. As long as no one is being beaten, disconnected from, fair gamed, or coerced out of their life savings i don’t bother much with the indie movement. Eventually, they leave by themselves. For some it takes longer, and for others, it happens quickly. Some of the critics you see here today had tried indie before they gave up on the whole Scientology thing altogether.

            • I used to take that view – then I came across a YouTube video of an ‘Independent’ conference.

              It was shot very carefully, so that no-one could see how many (few?) attended. One lecture was delivered by someone who berated ‘qualified’ auditors for undercharging.

              The speaker told his small audience that he has seen Auditors charging only $40 an hour. He was appalled. He thought this was bad for auditors and bad for the prestige of Scientology, going on to quoted chapter and verse from Hubbard to ‘prove’ his point.

              He wanted everyone to charge over $100 an hour. The more you charge, he said, the more value people place on the ‘service’ you provide. Pure Hubbard. Pure justification for gouging money out of people.

              Some Independent auditors do charge this much. They can make a very good living from , and that’s a powerful reason for them never to see the flaws at the core of Scientology. They will not drift away.They are making money for nothing, and possibly don’t have any other way to make ends meet – only worthless Scientology ‘certificates’.

              At those prices, their clients must be coming under severe financial pressure – and all for nothing. With that kind of attitude, I don’t doubt some of those ‘auditors’ have walked away with a substantial chunk of their ‘client’s’ life savings.

              Also, my local Org has been running for years on the backs of ‘true believers’ who have wasted their lives sitting in a small shop, waiting for recruits who never appear and blaming themselves. They have got also used to the idea that the ends justify the means and can be malicious – Scientology’s influence on the personality of its members goes beyond belief in some odd doctrines.

              For some people like that I think membership of Independent organisations can work in the same way, and prevent the disaffected from moving on. They waste their lives arguing online about conspiracy theories and how many thetans can dance on the point of a pin.

              If Scientologists disillusioned with the CofS will “eventually realise” that Scientology is wrong, then all the Independent ‘movement’ is doing is delaying their recovery. It does no good, and lots of potential harm.

              I think the Independent ‘halfway house’ only exists because there isn’t any secular support for recovering Scientologists. It’s slightly better than nothing for some lucky individuals – but would you trust comrades who still see the world through Hubbard’s amoral distorting mirror to lead you to a fulfilling life?

            • I could not have written this better my self.

            • Ben Franklin

              Believe it or not there are auditors who eventually realized how flawed Scientology is and left the independent movement despite the money. Rathbun is one example.

            • There are priest in my country that don’t even believe in God or Jesus. They just have a Job they say. Well… nice job 🙂

            • Part of Rathburn’ dispute with the CofS was that he was making a living by auditing people, and they wanted that stopped. As “My Scientology Movie” demonstrated, he is still enamoured of The Tech’. He’s his own one-man Independent movement (and I still wonder if he had any dealings with the apparently now failed ‘First Independent Church of Scientology’).

              Personally, I think if someone offered his ‘high office’ in some offshoot of Scientology, he would take it like a shot, as long as no particularly onerous oversight was involved.

              Mike Rinder shrugged it all off in a much saner way. This would not have been made any easier by Independents trying to convince him that he didn’t have to face the facts – that Scientology was actually valid.

              I’m not disputing that many exes go through hell before they can discard their indoctrination – only that unnecessarily spinning that process out by pandering to you temporary vulnerability makes matter worse, not better.

            • Bob

              Some some of the applied philosophy Hubbard stole is workable. I just keep in mind that Hubbard built land mines is all his major works to control his flock. He was evil and a scam artist. Did I learn things in Scientology that are useful. Yes, but I could not use that knowledge till I purged the ideas that led me to believe that Hubbard was a genius. He was a psychopath.

            • With respect, I can’t imagine what the workable parts might be – and should think that, if there were any, they would be available in other practices which have a firmer theoretical foundation.

            • Yeah i agree.. but i still will stand with my “wtf? lol” comment, because is think it was funny and surprising. I could dive deep into this with arguments, but i don’t mind them! But when they say something funny, i think it’s funny. And i find this guy funny as hell. What i do mind is, if someone is patty-cake them and this guy will probably put her picture on the wall or make a YT video about this. 🙂

            • Ben Franklin

              He actually made a video trying to promote independent Scientology to Leah, but, I don’t think she is interested in although she doesn’t want anyone because for some people that is their only way out of the church. You would rather have them out here able access information than in the church. Mike Rinder was an independent Scientologist for some time and look at how far he has come.

            • true…it is a long road out, so i fully understand this. Hell, it took me 10 years to drop the whole thing and clean up the bit’s and pieces with the help from information found on this forum. And i really don’t think there is a One Size Fits All solution. But now i think about it.. I really don’t think it’s a good idea, for a profile like Leah, to give thumbs up to the Indies. I would have ignored his tweet and remained neutral.

            • Ben Franklin

              I believe Leah’s stepfather is involved indie so she probably understands it is going to take a while before some wake up fully. In the meantime, the worst thing that can happen is to alienate indies or treat them harshly because that is counterproductive. You would rather have indies talk to non Scientologists than drive them into seclusion because they are afraid of being attacked or mocked.

              There are many indies that you might see commenting on Mike Rinder’s blog, but you will never see them here on the Bunker. The reason is because some of those indies feel safer expressing their Scientology beliefs there because there is no ridicule. In the bunker it is a whole different scenario because there are those who are sympathetic and there are those who are not.

              I am sure even you might have taken a while before you started posting here. It takes an independent Scientologist with very thick skin to survive the Bunker. This site is the last stage of graduation from being a Scientologist to being a non Scientologist. Most former Scientologists who post here are people who are pretty much done with Scientology and see it for a con that it is. Independents who read articles and post here are those who are very close to seeing the light.

              Communication is the best tool, ridicule or harsh criticisms of the belief itself will never work for most who have been involved in it for decades.

            • You know what kept me on my toes back in the 80s… people who where yelling at me while body-routing, people who throw bricks through the DIV6 store window, people who came into the test center, just check me out as a weirdo for being a scientologist. Nobody want this! so you have to be very hardcore to even try being a scio. BUT… in my head i wanted to know why those people where so upset about all this, so i stayed 3 feet back of the CoS and kept my critical sense, waiting for them to produce some results. This saved my ass. I did not buy a fake bridge. I did not train for Auditor. I did not sign a mill year contract. etc… But i stayed around those people all those years because they where easy going and i was deep-shit involved in all other activities with these people. Waiting for some OT’s to show off… Never happen! I agree to your description of this place and Mikes and i believe that people should have the right to do what ever they want with their life, as long as they do not harm anyone else and nobody is complaining. This Andy (can’t see his full name here in this side box) can do whatever he want with LRH’s “tech” and as far as i know, he is not harming anyone. I just find him funny and in a funny way. But i also admire him for standing up to his belief and making those videos. My RL experience with exes, is that they are so confused and don’t even look and learn, but just brush it off as no harm is done and they are not connected with the chirch, so why bother?…. Wrong! lol… This shit is so deep implanted in their upbringing and what have you, that if you push them, they will default to the Tonescale and if your raise your voice, they shut down and convince them self – again, that you have a reactive mind and are suppressing them with Entheta. They are trained not to listen to you but only acknowledge you and handle you “Originations” because they are Clear and you are not. You see what i mean? They can hang around Mikes place, all they want, and with all due respect. As you say, the bunker is the final step and you don’t go any were with any kind of Woo!

              Long Rant… sorry. Point is, J&D, nudging , misuse of LRH “Tech” out ethics and serious Overts, Shoops and Cat pictures! Might save some of them and make them change their Core Values back to what they was before LRH. So i don’t agree all that much with your last sentence!. But i will take any advise to shut up, if i overstep someones wishes to be left alone as i am not here to piss anyone off, i might do that sometimes, but wth, i can learn from my mistakes

              I’m not writing all this just for you, i hope someone else will also read this.

            • Ben Franklin

              I totally understand what you mean. There are those who respond well to tough love approach and there are some who retreat into hiding. You should have seen the first video Andy posted, it was nothing close to what he is posting today. It was all about LRH and the tech and how Miscavige has ruined it for everyone. His thought process is evolving, albeit slowly, partly because he is attached to the independent scene. It frustrates me too that many people delay their recovery by being involved with the indies, but, for some it is their way of coping. Auditing is quite addictive and for some people it is like a drug that they cannot live without, and pretty much have to wean themselves off of it.

            • Yes.. the analogy to drugs and the steps to get out appears to be the same!
              So maybe we should just point to another source of endorphin’s like RL. I know for my part, that RL has been very amazing after i realized the true nature of a severe clinical depression 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Great response. He’s doing a lot of posting and videos. Kindness and understanding will do more to get him questioning than anything else.

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, newbies and lurkers and under-the-radars. Sit down and take a breather. Comment if you wish. Ask questions. Take things at your own pace. PS Freeloader debt is legally unenforceable. You don’t owe them a penny. f5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cafd3926f20304835c1928867bc6e94849f1e4c2cbecbdd75e854231e07d954c.jpg

  • Juicer77
  • Shivani33

    Achha, Atchafalaya. It’s crawfish season. Now POTUS Agent Orange can get some fresh hairpieces and a nice batch of his special skin pigmentation. It’s good to doll him up a little, even though it’s too late to flush out the poo from his brainpan. That’s where he stores his intestines, as seen on tv! Malheureusement.

  • Newiga

    O/T: I’m having lunch in a local cafe and I’m listening to a group of 5 Finns explaining a yankee (That’s how we call y’all lovingly 😉) how to eat a traditional Finnish pastry. Sweetest thing I’ve seen in a while. Aaaaaaw!

  • Silence of the Clams

    I was unable to find tickets online. This must mean it’s such a huge success (already) all of the tickets for every show must be sold out!….

    At least that’s what this little man with a pompadour told me. I think he called himself Davey….or was it Supreme Leader? Anyway, that’s the word on the street.

    • I’m sure a small donation will insure a private viewing, and the staff (or ‘registrars’ as they are known in David’s special cinemas) will be very attentive

  • roger weller

    A friend in L.A. Just told me my daughter Alyssa is in the crazy Cartwright movie. And is mentioned as david campbells daughter.i was in the Bahamas last week and didn’t read the story until just now.

  • Peter Hoffman

    The problem is, with so many $cientologists in one cast—when one eventually defects, the movie becomes $cientologically worthless.

    Don’t put all your eggs in one basket, bitch! 😉