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SCIENTOLOGY’S TOP 20 CELEBRITIES — in order of those most likely to defect

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Now that Jason Lee has confirmed what we’ve suspected for a long time — that he’s out of Scientology — we’re naturally getting questions from readers wondering who among the church’s glittering celebrities will be next to jump ship.

We’ve been documenting a pretty amazing cavalcade of celebrity defectors over the last eight years. In 2008, we wrote the first press interview with actor Jason Beghe, who had made a splash with a video denouncing Scientology after being a gung-ho member for 12 years. Director Paul Haggis soon followed, announcing his decision to leave on Marty Rathbun’s blog. Both Beghe and Haggis went on to become central figures in Alex Gibney’s 2015 documentary, Going Clear.

In 2013, we broke the news that Leah Remini had left Scientology. She went on to write a book about her defection, and is now working on a series about Scientology for the A&E network that may start airing as soon as January.

And earlier this year, we confirmed something we’d first raised questions about a few years earlier, that Lisa Marie Presley had left the church. And not only that, but Lisa Marie has been behind some really monumental things that are helping to expose Scientology leader David Miscavige and his use of private investigators. In our April story about that, we also revealed that Lisa Marie had left Scientology with her mother, Priscilla Presley.

That’s a lot of pretty important stars to walk out of the joint in less than a decade. But who’s next?

In April, we wrote a story about Lucia Ribisi leaving Scientology. She’s not a big celebrity — yet — but her father Giovanni Ribisi is. And in that story, one of our sources, who happens to be a member of the church and its Celebrity Centre in Hollywood, told us that Jason Lee had moved to Texas in part to get away from Scientology. It turned out he was right.

So we went back to our source, asking him to help us put together a list of the top celebrities who remain in the church, and give us his opinion about which ones might be closest to walking out the door.

We came up with a list of 20 names, and our Celebrity Centre source rated each of them on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 meaning practically all the way out, and 10 representing complete and utter dedication no matter how bad things get for the dwindling church.

None of our 20, he told us, rated anything as low as a 6 on that scale, indicating that he doesn’t think any of these celebrities are likely to bolt soon. But some of them he judged to be more likely to leave than others, and we’ve put them in that order.

Take a look at our list, and then we’d like to see one from you as well — tell us which five Scientology celebrities you’d most like to see bolt.

UPDATE: Some are asking us, where’s Will Smith? He’s not on this list because, as we’ve written previously, he was just a dabbler and so he didn’t “defect” when he moved away from Scientology. Also, please do disagree with our source’s rankings. That’s what a list like this is for.

 
 

Scientology’s top 20 celebrities — in order of those most likely to defect

 
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Juliette Lewis

Current lifetime: Born June 21, 1973 in Los Angeles (age 43)
Most famous for: Academy award nomination for her acting in 1991’s Cape Fear.
Joined Scientology: Raised in it, daughter of actor and OT 5 Scientologist Geoffrey Lewis (1935-2015)
Fun Scientology completion: L12, 1998
Indoctrination score: 6.5 out of 10
Juliette shattering suppression: “The thing about Scientology is it is anti-drug in that you’re seeking relationship or communication tools – simple basics on how to live better.”
 
Juliette has our source’s lowest indoctrination score, meaning that she may be the most likely to ditch the church. Why? Our source says that although she has hardcore family members (like her sister Brandy, see Ethan Suplee, below), Juliette is more focused on her music than anything else in her life, and in that life she is surrounded by non-Scientologists. Also, her behavior has been erratic, and she’s been particularly unmoored since the death of her father last year. Over the years, we’ve also received some mixed messages from Juliette, who appears to read the Underground Bunker, at least on occasion. With her unpredictability, she’s at the top of our list of Scientologist celebrities who may be ready to walk away.

 
 
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Giovanni Ribisi

Current lifetime: Born December 17, 1974 in Los Angeles (age 41)
Most famous for: Playing the villain in 2009’s Avatar, other movie and television roles
Joined Scientology: Raised in it (along with his twin sister Marissa and younger sister Gina) by legendarily militant parents Al Ribisi and Gay (Landrum) Ribisi, now divorced
Fun Scientology completion: How to Improve Your Marriage, 1998
Indoctrination score: 7 out of 10
Giovanni shattering suppression: “I have never ever heard of aliens in Scientology, and I’ve been a Scientologist all my life.”
 
Our source tells us that Giovanni has been hit not only with his daughter’s defection, but also one of his best friends slipping away when Jason Lee moved to Texas and ditched the church. On the other hand, he’s from a legendarily dedicated Scientology family. “He seems to be in a tug of war in his family right now. His grandfather, by the way, is still alive, and he’s not a Scientologist.” At this point, the pro-Scientology forces are probably winning the war, but there’s a small chance Giovanni may follow his daughter out.

 
 
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Beck Hansen

Current lifetime: Born July 8, 1970 in Los Angeles (age 46)
Most famous for: Decades of really good, original music
Joined Scientology: Raised in it. Took the last name of his artist mother, Bibbe Hansen, who he lived with after she split with his father, composer David Campbell
Fun Scientology completion: Essentials of Dianetics, 1986
Indoctrination score: 7 out of 10
Beck shattering suppression: “I’ve read books, and I’ve learned about it. I mean, what I’m doing — I have a job, raising kids, I have friends, I have my interests, so I think my life is pretty full. I’m not off doing some weirdo stuff.”
 
“I think he’s always going to be half in and half out. He’s really evasive when people ask him about it. And also his mother, Bibbe, is totally out,” says our source. On the other hand, he points out, Beck is married to Marissa Ribisi, Giovanni’s twin sister, which complicates things. And he added an important corollary: Even if Beck did leave Scientology, we wouldn’t hear a thing about it from him.

 
 
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Elisabeth Moss

Current lifetime: Born July 24, 1982 in Los Angeles (age 34)
Most famous for: Six-time Emmy-nominated run as Peggy Olson on Mad Men, 2007-2015
Joined Scientology: Raised in it, born to Scientologist musicians Ron and Linda Moss
Fun Scientology completion: Grade III Expanded, 1999
Indoctrination score: 7 out of 10
Elisabeth shattering suppression: “There isn’t really any dogma or scripture, yes or no, right or wrong on that particular subject [homosexuality] in my church.”
 
Says our source: “Her mother is not really totally involved in the church. In fact, both of her parents are iffy. And Elisabeth is on the front lines with the public, and is around non-Scientologists a lot. If the right conditions came about, she’d be more likely to leave than others.”

 
 
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Erika Christensen

Current lifetime: Born August 19, 1982 in Seattle (age 34)
Most famous for: Memorable roles in 2000’s Traffic, 2002’s Swimfan, and others
Joined Scientology: Raised in it by her parents Steven and Kathy Christensen
Fun Scientology completion: OT 3, 2013
Indoctrination score: 8 out of 10
Erika shattering suppression: “We worship rabbits. I don’t actually know how many people think that, but I had someone ask me that.”
 
“Erika is tied to CCHR pretty closely, which could keep her in — CCHR is one of the biggest glues that keeps celebrities in,” says our source, referring to the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, Scientology’s unhinged front group that agitates against psychiatry. “On the other hand, Erika doesn’t appear to be friends with that many other Scientologists. And other than CCHR, I don’t think that there’s a lot that holds her in Scientology.”

 
 
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Catherine Bell

Current lifetime: Born August 14, 1968 in London (age 48)
Most famous for: Playing a Marine lieutenant colonel in Jag (1997 to 2005) and then the wife of an Army lieutenant colonel in Army Wives (2007 to 2013)
Joined Scientology: Late 1980s, influenced by other actors as she was breaking in
Fun Scientology completion: Stuck on OT 7 forever
Indoctrination score: 8 out of 10
Catherine shattering suppression: “I cognited very early on that if you really want to move fast and you only have a small amount of time, come to Flag. Go flat out, stay at Flag and just have everything taken care of for you.”
 
Former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder dropped a bit of a bombshell two years ago when he reported at his blog it was well known in Scientology circles that after Catherine Bell’s divorce with actor Adam Beason in 2011 she joined up with party planner Brooke Daniells. Said Rinder: “Whatever their PR statements, someone auditing on OT 7 leaving her husband to have a relationship with another woman does not win you any popularity contest with Dear Leader.” Our source says that since that happened, Catherine has been “kept off lines” and “it’s all kept very quiet.” In other words, Catherine won’t be progressing up the Bridge to reach higher levels of enlightenment. How long before Catherine tires of Scientology’s legendary homophobia and bails?

 
 
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Michael Peña

Current lifetime: Born January 13, 1976 in Chicago (age 40)
Most famous for: Being a likeable schlub in movies like 2004’s Crash and 2015’s The Martian
Joined Scientology: After seeing Jenna Elfman talk up Scientology on television
Fun Scientology completion: Dynamics of Money, 2004
Indoctrination score: 9 out of 10
Michael shattering suppression: “I remember seeing Jenna Elfman being interviewed by Barbara Walters…I really cognited on that. I was like, Wow! That sounds amazing.”
 
“It’s not very likely that he’s going to get out,” says our source, who gave Peña only a small sliver of hope that he might have an awakening. “Michael’s career is doing really well, he keeps a somewhat low profile in Scientology, and they don’t push him. So he’s comfortable where he is. I think he equates being in Scientology with his success. But he’s out and around with a lot of non-Scientologists, and constantly working might help him see the problems in Scientology.”

 
 

THE BITTER-ENDERS

The rest of our celebrities earned a solid 10 out of 10 on our source’s indoctrination scale. He doesn’t see any of them leaving, and figures that as long as there’s a Church of Scientology to belong to, they’ll belong to it. Here they are in alphabetical order…

 
 
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Kirstie Alley

Current lifetime: Born January 12, 1951 in Wichita (age 65)
Most famous for: Roles in Cheers, Look Who’s Talking and numerous other films and TV shows, all eclipsed by public obsession with her weight gain and loss
Joined Scientology: In 1979 after it helped her with a cocaine addiction
Fun Scientology completion: Super Power, 2014
Kirstie shattering suppression: “It is not true that you cannot [leave the church]…You’re not shunned, you’re not chased. All that stuff’s bullshit.”
 
“She’s always been kind of a wacked-out person, and at this point, I think that it’s the only thing that kind of gives her credibility in her own mind. Her career is pretty much no place, she doesn’t need money. So she would really lose it if she didn’t have the stability that the church gives her.”

 
 
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Anne Archer

Current lifetime: Born August 24, 1947 in Los Angeles (age 69)
Most famous for: Academy award nomination for her acting in 1987’s Fatal Attraction, also for being mother to Tommy Davis
Joined Scientology: Reportedly, in 1975, during her first marriage to real estate investor William Davis
Fun Scientology completion: OT 5, 2002
Anne shattering suppression: “Do I look brainwashed to you?”
 
“She’ll never leave — she and her husband, [TV executive] Terry Jastrow. She’s comfortable in it, she’s older. And I think she’s happy with what they think of as an idyllic life. And they’re treated like royalty.”

 
 
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Nancy Cartwright

Current lifetime: Born October 25, 1957 in Dayton (age 58)
Most famous for: Voicing Bart Simpson
Joined Scientology: In 1991, after attending a barbecue with Scientologists
Fun Scientology completion: OT 8, 2015
Nancy shattering suppression: “I believe that there is a power that I am striving for. I think the best way to describe that would be to name that ‘God,’ you know. And ideally I would have to say that I am striving to be that God.”
 
“She’s so hardcore, she even polices the other celebrities. She considers herself the ideal standard of a Scientology celebrity, and she lets the others know it if they aren’t measuring up to it.”

 
 
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Chick Corea

Current lifetime: Born June 12, 1941 in Boston (age 75)
Most famous for: Decades of great jazz
Joined Scientology: In 1968, after reading books by L. Ron Hubbard
Fun Scientology completion: OT 8 for the second time, 2016
Chick shattering suppression: “I found L. Ron Hubbard’s books and lectures to be of great help to me in my effort to learn more about myself and how I could be more effective in helping my family and friends.”
 
“He’s not leaving. He’s living in the past. He’s rehashing the past as an artist. He’s not progressing,” says our source. A Scientology publication in Italy, of all places, recently noted that Chick had completed OT 8, the highest level of advancement in Scientology. It turns out that it’s a redo — Chick also completed OT 8 a quarter century ago, in 1991. OT 8 is supposed to be the ultimate step to becoming an “operating thetan,” and having power over space and matter and the ability to leave your body at will. It’s also very expensive, in the tens of thousands of dollars just for that one level. So why need to do it twice? “I think they convinced him that they had changed it slightly and so he needed to do it over again. It’s so insane,” says our source. And as for being stuck in the past, which is saying something in an organization that puts a premium on being “PT” or “present time,” our source says it’s actually very common in Scientology. “The irony of it is that in any addictive situation, you’re stuck at the age when you first got in.”

 
 
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Tom Cruise

Current lifetime: Born July 3, 1962 in Syracuse (age 54)
Most famous for: Being Tom Cruise
Joined Scientology: In 1986, as he began dating Scientologist actress Mimi Rogers. They were married in 1987 on Dianetics Day, May 9.
Fun Scientology completion: OT 7, certificate awarded by Debbie Cook
Tom shattering suppression: “Matt… Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, you’re glib, you don’t even know what Ritalin is.”
 
At first, our source gave us a whole list of things that he believed should be motivating Tom Cruise to reassess his commitment to Scientology, not the least of which is his non-existent relationship with his own daughter, Suri. But motivations are one thing, real progress is another. Pressed for an answer, our source admitted that despite having so many reasons to turn his back on Scientology leader David Miscavige, Tom Cruise just doesn’t seem capable of doing it. Part of it, he says, is that things are just too good for Tom as Scientology’s top celebrity. “They give him whatever he wants, including people. They get him all his staffing,” he says. Cruise also seems fully bought in to Scientology’s more esoteric teleological beliefs: Tom Cruise and David Miscavige really do consider themselves the two most important human beings on Earth, and the rest of us, at least those of us not working to “Keeping Scientology Working,” are deluded, degraded beings living on a prison planet. Even after the revelations that his best pal David Miscavige is spying on him, manipulating his relationships, and even laughs at his sexual problems behind his back, Cruise seems utterly dedicated to the cause. “I think it’s going to take something pretty catastrophic in his career or his life for things to change, something that he just can’t ignore.”

 
 
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Jenna Elfman

Current lifetime: Born September 30, 1971 in Los Angeles (age 44)
Most famous for: Dharma
Joined Scientology: Recruited by her husband Bodhi Elfman, whom she married in 1995
Fun Scientology completion: Anatomy of the Human Mind Congress, 2005
Jenna shattering suppression: “What crimes have you committed? Have you raped a baby?”
 
“She’s so hard. She’s never getting out. She seems so negative now, and at events she comes off like she’s irritated. Something’s going on with her, but I have no clue what it would be.”

 
 
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Danny Masterson

Current lifetime: Born March 13, 1976 in Long Island, New York (age 40)
Most famous for: Acting in That 70s Show (1998-2006) and spinning music as DJ Mom Jeans
Joined Scientology: Raised in it by parents Carol and Peter Masterson, and later by Carol’s second husband, Australian Scientologist and rugby league player Joe Reaiche
Fun Scientology completion: ARC Straightwire, 1996
Danny shattering suppression: “In Scientology, there’s no belief system or anyone who’s worshipped or whatnot; it’s all sort of like college of the mind.”
 
Danny’s actor brothers Chris and Jordan and sister Alanna are all Scientologists. “The entire family is so tight, and they aren’t going anywhere. They’re among the tightest young people who are still in — and the church rides herd on them constantly,” says our source. We asked if Danny’s interview last year in Paper magazine was an indication that the church counts on his support. “Are you kidding? They consider him a superhero for doing that.”

 
 
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Marisol Nichols

Current lifetime: Born November 2, 1973 in Chicago (age 42)
Most famous for: Various television roles, including a recurring spot on 24 in 2007
Joined Scientology: Circa 1997, after being introduced to it by her chiropractor
Fun Scientology completion: OT 8, 2013
Marisol shattering suppression: “The biggest success I have had in Scientology can be summed up in the following statement: It makes me a better person.”
 
“She’s never getting out. She’s married to cinematographer Taron Lexton, and his mother is Mary Shuttleworth, who founded the Scientology front group Youth For Human Rights,” our source points out. We noted that Marisol, along with Nancy Cartwright and Kirstie Alley, all finished up OT 7 around the same time. Marisol and Nancy went on to finish OT 8 quickly, too. Was there something to them getting those done when they did? “I think they allowed them to finish OT 7 as proof that the new ‘Golden Age of Technology Phase II’ works. The church needed it. They can steer them however they want, and at this point, they wanted to get people through it to serve as examples to the rest.”

 
 
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Laura Prepon

Current lifetime: Born March 7, 1980 in New Jersey (age 36)
Most famous for: Roles in That 70s Show (1998-2006) and Orange is the New Black (2013-present)
Joined Scientology: In 1999, at the time she was working with That 70s Show colleague Danny Masterson
Fun Scientology completion: The Route to Infinity, 2005
Laura shattering suppression: “When I have huge wins in session, and when you really cognite that you are a thetan and you have a mind and body, and that the MEST universe does not control you — it puts things into perspective.”
 
“She’s so in the sway of the Mastersons, and that family is so tight and stuck inside Scientology,” says our source. We asked him about the mini-controversy of Laura playing a lesbian character on Orange is the New Black. We didn’t think it was really an issue for Scientology — despite the organization’s legendary homophobia, the number one rule in Scientology is always that celebrities can break all the rules. Laura spoke out at one point, denying that Scientology is homophobic. “In Scientology, she’s seen as a hero for that,” our source says.

 
 
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Kelly Preston

Current lifetime: Born October 13, 1962 in Honolulu (age 53)
Most famous for: Many acting roles, but best known for being married to John Travolta
Joined Scientology: Late 1980s, through her acting coach, Milton Katselas
Fun Scientology completion: OT 7, 2014
Kelly shattering suppression: “Life is at my fingertips and with Scientology I’ve found I can have or be whatever I want. ”
 
“She’s so invested in it, and they’re royalty. Both Kelly and John are really nice people, but they’re so invested in it. The death of their son Jett in 2009 was really tough on both of them. I think dealing with that death was the closest they came to being actual human beings. But the church was right there to make sure they were controlled and got a lot of auditing. They both felt that it saved them. So they’re more committed than ever.”

 
 
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Ethan Suplee

Current lifetime: Born May 25, 1976 in New York City (age 40)
Most famous for: Roles in Kevin Smith films and as Jason Lee’s sidekick in My Name is Earl
Joined Scientology: In the early 1990s, through the Ribisi clan
Fun Scientology completion: Grade 2 Expanded, 2006
Ethan shattering suppression: “If I want something I can just go and get it. And I know with certainty that I want the right thing and I’m not going to mess myself up in the process of going after what I want. And that’s amazing.”
 
“Ethan is a laid back guy, but he’s married to someone who is so hardcore, Juliette Lewis’s sister Brandy. And even though Ethan’s friendship to Jason was so important to him, in Scientology it’s ‘out of sight, out of mind.’ What he’s hearing from OT 8s right now is things like ‘Well, I never really had a good feeling about Jason’.”

 
 
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John Travolta

Current lifetime: Born February 18, 1954 in New Jersey (age 62)
Most famous for: Being your creepy uncle on the Oscars broadcast
Joined Scientology: In 1975, after reading Dianetics while filming his first movie, The Devil’s Rain
Fun Scientology completion: Life Repair, 1975
John shattering suppression: “Sometimes when something really works well it becomes a target.”
 
“When he got the Tarantino movie, I think someone had been working with John on an admin scale to help him work his career out,” our source says, referring to an L. Ron Hubbard concept about how to organize work. “So he’s been convinced that his successes have come from L. Ron Hubbard, and he keeps himself in a bubble. He’s convinced that every time his career has had some big success, it’s because he was using some kind of Scientology. And that’s a really hard mindset to get out of.” We told our source that we felt the same way about Travolta, and that for a long time we’ve discounted the “blackmail” theory that so many people seem to ascribe to. They believe that if John left, Scientology would spill secrets about his sex life and his reputed preference for men. But after the lawsuits from massage therapists in recent years, what more is there to know? We think the blackmail angle is overblown, and our source agreed. “The blackmail thing? No. That’s not what keeps him in. Nobody cares. If he was open about his sex life, no one, even in Hollywood, would care. The blackmail thing is not a real issue. Blackmail would only make him resentful, and he’s not resentful. He’s just convinced that every success he’s had comes from Scientology, and it’s the positive things he believes he’s gotten from it that keep him from believing any criticism of it.”

 
 
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Greta Van Susteren

Current lifetime: Born June 11, 1954 in Wisconsin (age 62)
Most famous for: Quitting Fox News in the wake of Gretchen Carlson’s sex harassment lawsuit
Joined Scientology: Late 1980s, probably through her husband, retired attorney John Coale
Fun Scientology completion: OT 4, 1994
Greta shattering suppression: (Greta never says anything about Scientology publicly.)
 
“She’s a mystery. I’ve only rarely seen her around the Celebrity Centre. But she’s decided that Scientology helped her with something in her life, and she’s dedicated to it. With her background in news, she’s privy to stuff that other Scientologists don’t see or hear. But she has adopted the them-against-us mentality, which is reinforced by how few other journalists there are in the church. It will be interesting to see where she lands after leaving Fox News, but she’s not about to leave Scientology.”

 
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Steve Cannane on the radio Down Under

Fair Game author Steve Cannane has returned to Australia in a trip to support his new book, and he sat down for a lengthy interview with ABC radio there.

 
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Your proprietor on Reddit this Thursday

To mark the occasion of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely being released in audiobook form this week, on Thursday we’ll be subjecting ourselves to an AMA at Reddit’s Scientology board.

You’ll have a chance to “Ask Me Anything” from noon to 2 pm, Eastern time, on Thursday, September 29.

For some idea of how it might go, you might look at the AMA that Chris Shelton engaged in earlier his year.

 
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  • Jimmy3

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    Flag Attack Canine
    (Sir FAC)

    Current Lifetime: About 25 years into a 7 billion year commitment
    Indoctrination Score: 9 Protester Limbs
    Fun Scientology completion: Chased a parishioner up a Cause Resurgence pole and kept them up there for 4 hours.
    Most famous for: Mauling a man for simply looking like he might ask where Shelly Miscavige is.
    Dog shattering suppression: FAC Dog doesn’t care if you want him to read the latest ex-Scientologist/critic book. He doesn’t find the story of Xenu interesting. Dog gives no shits who or where Shelly is.
    Most upper-level Scientologists believe the body contains millions of Body Thetans; Dog knows your body contains millions of Biscuit Thetans.

  • phronsie

    Is Beth Riesgraf still in? I’ve been hoping not, because I adore Leverage and hate to think of her as still a cultie. I console myself that if she still is in, then maybe it helped her to play the crazy-eyed aggressively awkward social misfit Parker…..

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Not 100% sure of her status, but she and her sister still seem tight with the rest of that Masterson/Elfman/Ribisi axis.

    • Frodis73

      I love that show, was totally bummed to find out about her and Lee and CO$.

  • nottrue
    • DoveAlexa

      You disappoint me, if you believe that rhetoric about an unaligned group of people numbering in the hundreds of millions.

      • nottrue

        Actually you are right.. I have to many Millennial Grandchildren to believe that statement. They are the best. One just slapped me in the back of the head for posting that

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      But they’re also internet savvy and lean towards egalitariansism, so that cancels out any potential interest in an archaic fascistic ideology like scientology.

    • Jimmy3

      And the generation before that is obsessed with pushing and squeezing the attitudes of millions of individuals into a little box that they can rank and classify and look down upon.

      YOUR REVOLUTION DIDN’T WORK, HIPPIES. GET OVER IT.

      • Techie

        Sadly Ms Chief Hippy #1 is about to be elected President.

        • Jimmy3

          I’m okay with that.

          • Kay

            me tooooo

      • Kay

        whoa there Jimmy……many children of the sixties present here. If Baby was online now she would send you to bedr tonight without your dinner. Tsk tsk

        • Techie

          Got to admit, I was a Dirty Hippy not a drug crazed university trashing Viet Nam War protesting type. But I hold my Dirty Hippy heritage in high regard, and J3 is right. The crazies did not create the bloody revolution they were going for, but they did take over the government. Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, Bernie Saunders, Bill and Hillary Clinton. I rest my case. (What could you call someone who does not wear underwear, never cuts their beard or hair, and does not change clothes for months at a time but a Dirty Hippy?)

          • Chee Chalker

            Question: what could you call someone who does not wear underwear, never cuts their beard or hair, and does not change clothes for months at a time?

            Answer: Rick Grimes and friends (TWD returns soon!)

        • Jimmy3

          And how am I gonna sleep without my mescaline pot roast?

          • Kay

            lol…..I think. :-,

        • aquaclara

          As one of the sixties, seventies era, I have to laugh at how we morphed, with parenting skills that basically sound like this:
          ” Oh, a protest, how lovely. It reminds of my days blah blah blah blah.” (Then after your kids have totally tuned out..).
          “Make sure you make your bed, and when you go to the protest, make sure you tell me what time you’ll be home, so I can leave the light on for you. Dinner will be on the stove. And don’t forget your sweatshirt – it might be chilly. Have fun, dear!” (Waving bye).

      • nottrue

        I would get over it but I can’t remember what I’m suppose to get over

      • just another guy out there
      • Harpoona Frittata

        Now, now…generational chauvinism can find no traction here, where former cult affiliation unites us all as the equally gullible, ex-Kool-aid guzzlers that we all once were.

        Rejoice among all those who’ve sworn off this most faithless of all faiths and let us all praise Xenu together!

        Can I get an Amen here?

    • flyonthewall

      Gen X is the best

    • Chee Chalker

      I nominate the name ‘Insufferables’ to replace the name Millennials
      Jayden Smith will be their King
      Either Kendall or Kylie will be their Queen

      (There’s a little overlap in time here…..I always thought people born between 1982-2002 (roughly) was Gen Y. And Millennials were early aughts to 2020)

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Scientologists do NOT worship rabbits, they are AFRAID OF ALIENS:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmhksoX0es0

  • Just for the record, three other celebrities left the church-all of TC’s exes! CIA officer Joanna Teague on NCIS, Mimi Rogers, C & W star Keith Urban’s wife, Nicole Kidman, and Katie Holmes.

    Also, other celebrities who left kind of quietly, without just leaving the body like Karen Black and Sonny Bono, were Jeffrey Tambor, Corin Nemec, Don Simpson, Michael Fairman, Larry Anderson, and Diane Canova. (My source is Business Insider, http://www.businessinsider.com/former-celebrity-scientologists-2015-4?op=1/#ana-canova-8 and a few others.)

    When I lived in the Bay Area in the 80’s, a local celebrity was former 49’ers quarterback John Brodie, who did Dianetics commercials. He managed to slip away without major entheta.

    • beauty for ashes

      Good Reminder!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Corin Nemec! I didn’t know he was in.

      Some of those on the list are out of the church but still Scientologists.

      • It seems to me that a lot of people who claim they are still in, once they get out of the general atmosphere of the org, generally the indoctrination starts to wane. And I think that is one of the main reasons, that from the start, they send a constant barrage of mail, phone calls, and trying to keep you coming to asinine events.
        Corin Nemec had one of those cookie cutter websites the “church” used have members do, with their favorite LRH quote, etc. It wasn’t taken down until about four years ago, or so.

    • Vaquera

      A friend of mine subleased Tambor’s apartment years ago and he said the amount of CoS mail was ridiculous. I asked him if was ever tempted to check them out. He turned to me with a look of “you have got to be kidding me!”

    • Harpoona Frittata

      That’s right! I remember John pimpin’ the Kult Kool-Aid way back then.

      I wonder what his story is there?

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Don’t ask me why, but I thought I would offer a helpful, completely OT tweet. (And yes, this is a real tweet):

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d8aa6b0d08781cb95fa4cd095a9f49e14accf9e42cc4591b7a6bf1dec1565ae.png

    • Jimmy3

      I don’t care what they’re doing: clowns should not be in the woods. Period. Arrest them on sight.
      The charge? Being a fucking clown in the woods.

      • stanrogers

        Unless it looks a lot like Tim Curry. Then the best plan of action, even for the police, is to run away.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’m starting to think that as a society we actually don’t need clowns.

        The vast majority of children don’t like them and a not insignificant number of people have Coulrophobia.

        It’s time to make clowns illegal.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Or perhaps just establishing a clown hunting season and selling “clown tags” would do the trick…clown jerky anyone?

          • Kestrel

            February is open-season month for mimes around here, so it’s doable. And we’re all out of mimes.

      • Observer

        This hit me just right and I can’t stop laughing

      • itsIBBy

        omg J3 I was drinking water when i read this! Its now all over my shirt

      • just another guy out there

        Clown and a little kid are walking in the woods at night and the kid says “Boy, these woods are really scary! Clown says, “You think this is scary? I have to walk out of here alone!”

        • BronxLaurie10

          It took me a bit but, OMG. LOL

      • flyonthewall

        juggalos?

        • itsIBBy

          I believe the proper term would be “Juggalette” as they’re women.

          Side note, the photo bomber in the back is creeping me out

          • flyonthewall

            white trash if you want to get technical

            • itsIBBy

              no argument from me on that one

    • Joe

      Oh, fun. They’re two hours away from me. Excuse me while I grab this shotgun for no particular reason.

      • Princess Squishy

        very close to me too. Redneck high five. Actually I’m a transplant from Michigan, but I love that I live in HICKman county…

    • LongtimeLurker

      This is really for real?

      What the hell 2016? This whole year is like a SyFy Channel movie.

      My god.

      • Frodis73

        Yeah, clowns have been spotted in various locations around the country. Some have tried to lure kids I guess. I wonder if some are just pranksters though. Who know wtf is going on…this is America after all.

        • Princess Squishy

          I would think most are just pranksters. In fact I would be suspicious that any have tried to lure kids, these clowns spotted around the country seem to come out as we near Halloween (at least I feel like we had the same story last year) and they are usually dressed more scary than fun. If they actually want to prey on kids they would dress fun or not like a clown and normal. Anything scary calling out to kids is going to make the kids cry/scream/run away and draw unwanted attention. People that want to prey on kids or get away with something criminal generally want to succeed at what they are doing, and dressing like a scary clown is only going to hurt their chances of getting away with it. Unless the thing you want to achieve is being scary and in the news, dressing like a scary clown and looking shady is unlikely to help you achieve any other purpose. Of course people are unpredictable and do stupid things, some idiot could dress like a clown and attempt to be a predator.

    • Draco

      Even a grown up would be scared of those clowns…standing there lurking…

      • LongtimeLurker

        You called?

    • flyonthewall

      talk about ass clown hijinks

  • William Martin

    I think it is telling that I only know the names of most of these ‘celebrities’ because of reading the bunker.

  • Kay

    I have posted here before that I find Tom Cruise to be the most irritating oportunistic and arrogant CoS member. I just cannot stand him for a multitude of reasons not the least of which is abandonment of his child. On the other hand I have always felt that John Travolta is a very nice man caught in a bad situation who doesn’t seem to fully realize it. He doesnt act entitled or think that he is a superior being like Cruise does. I just think he believes it works for him. I have a lot of empathy for him losing a child and possibly having to live a double life if those rumors are true, which is really no one’s business but his and his wife’s He is the one I most want to leave. I have always liked his gentle soul. Just my opinion of course.

  • Kestrel

    Personally, if they are getting something out of scientology, I don’t care if they all stay. The only “celebrity” on this list that I would like to see leave is Greta Van Susteren. She at least has some level of credibility, unlike Tom Cruise and John Travolta, who seem to be regarded as a bit kooky. Having said that, she’s not exactly beating the drum for the church. The rest are not exactly “opinion leaders” but are probably useful to $cientology, Inc. when attempting to safepoint local dignitaries. Who doesn’t want their picture taken next to even a minor celebrity? L Ron Hubbard’s celebrity project was a massive flunk then and still is today.

    • Susan black

      Greta von susteren has credibility? Isn’t she the one who backed up roger ailes’ claim that he’d never sexually abused anyone?

      • Kestrel

        I didn’t say it was a high level.

  • stillgrace2

    I am very disappointed to hear Michael Pena is under the spell. Put a dent in my morning. Noooo! Run!

    • Glen

      I think he actually might be the most visible $ci actor these days because of the endless Budweiser commercials for their new packaging in which he is the spokesman. He does seem like an affable guy.

      • stillgrace2

        My wish for him is unlimited success AND freedom from sciloonery. He doesn’t need it. He is naturally talented. And I hope he reads the Bunker.

  • LongtimeLurker

    I’m so sorry…

    Jenna’s Song
    (sung to the tune of Rawhide from the TV show Bonanza!)

    Blowin’ Blowin’ Blowin’
    Though the REDACTED are swollen
    Keep them horsies rollin’,
    Horse love!

    Candles, lube and feathers
    I’ll put on my best leather
    Wishin’ a horse was by my side

    All the things I’m missin’
    Good lovin’, hooves and kissin’
    Are waiting at the end of my ride

    Move ’em on
    (Give em’ head!)
    Give em’ head
    (Blow ’em all!)
    Move ’em on
    (Give em’ head!)
    Horse love!

    Again, I’m very sorry.

    Keep blowin’, blowin’, blowin’
    Though the wogs’r disaprovin’
    Keep them horsies movin’,
    Horse love!

    Don’t try to understand ’em
    Just use your mouth and hand ’em…
    .
    –Alright. Alright. That’s just not okay. But I couldn’t
    –make anything else scan and rhyme.
    –Sorry. So sorry.

    .
    Soon we’ll be livin’ high and wide

    My heart is calculatin’
    My horse love will be waitin’
    Be waitin’ at the end of my ride

    Blowin’ blowin’, blowin’
    Blowin’ blowin’, blowin’ Yah! (whip crack)
    Blowin’ blowin’, blowin’
    Blowin’ blowin’, blowin’
    Horse loooove.

    Yah! (whip crack)

    Horselove!

    • JaxNGold

      Dying! I love the little inserted apologies. 😆

      • LongtimeLurker

        I think I might have broken something inside me.

        I feel different. And not in a good way.

        But thank you.

    • Draco

      “–Sorry. So sorry.”
      Don’t believe that for one minute!!

      • LongtimeLurker

        A little sorry?

        • Draco

          I don’t think so.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • LongtimeLurker

        Someone had to.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Giovanni Ribisi: “I’ve never even heard of aliens in Scientology.”
    (which I think is because of the prohibition of verbal tech and discussing their own case with others)

    John Travolta: “When something really works, it becomes a target.”

    The lines by which celebrities “shatter” suppression might be true in itself, but they’re designed to stop a discussion and to stop thought altogether.
    It reminds me of Chris Shelton’s video about Thought Stopping Clichés in Scientology:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgmtBq6cgg4

    • the effervescent mongoloid

      “When something really works it becomes a target”. I would love to ask Mr. Travolta to give a few examples to illustrate his point. In truth, the poor fellow is just repeating like a parrot what he’s been told.

  • aquaclara

    Hmmm. AMA on Thursday with Tony. That means we can ask him ANYTHING?
    This could be fun.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      This is my chance to find out whether Tony can yo-yo!

      • Newiga

        and for me to ask if we can have a baby duck…

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          That’s a request I can get behind! In the meantime, we will always have this:

          https://youtu.be/LGrpsZ7BsQA

          • Princess Squishy

            look at it shake it’s little head to try to stay awake! That made me squee a little.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              And those little chirps. And then the leap of faith right at the end 🙂

          • Newiga

            Aaaaaaaaaaaw!!! <3

          • April

            OMG so cute!

  • nottrue
    • They tried to call but the line was busy, so they’ll be doing a reenactment. MR will do the fact-checking.

  • What it look like

    It is hard to believe that anyone has joined recently

    • aquaclara

      While hard to believe, the joining part seems easy to fall into. They go after you relentlessly with those nutty “fix your life” and “escape your life” promises. Religious worker visas and Craigs List both still a thing, sadly.

      • April

        Don’t forget the love bombing. Lots of love bombing.

  • aquaclara

    Image if we (well, Redditors) could get David Miscavige to do an AMA. OK, I know… a long stretch here. But let’s just say it slipped past Karen “I don’t answer phone calls from people named Tony” Pouw, and somehow Miscavige agreed to this.
    What would you ask him?

    • itsIBBy

      In J&D, How do you feel about shopping in the boys section. In seriousness, how is your liver still functioning?

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Does ‘moving on up a little higher’ mean moving up higher on The Bridge ® ?

    • flyonthewall

      it’s a peaker thing, you wouldn’t understand

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Peaker thing..? I’m afraid to ask.

        • flyonthewall

          or maybe it’s tweaker?

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Just as long as it’s not twerker.

            • Or t’wanker (a Yorkshireman given to excessive masturbation).

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              That’s just as bad – maybe even worse (since he’s from Yorkshire).

        • LongtimeLurker

          There are two types of people in the world.

          Very intelligent, caring, thoughtful, wise, non-materialists who can have peak spiritual experiences and learn and grow from them.

          And the angry, soulless, materialist scum like us at the Bunker.

          I’ve probably got some of that wrong.

          • Frodis73

            Fuck that, I am proud to be a part of the Bunker group.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah for sure. It’s just noise from an empty vessel.

              An empty vessel who really hates himself.

        • Draco

          A couple of posts back on “He who shall not be named’s” blog.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Um… Along the lines of “Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy” YouTube is your friend if you don’t get the reference and this will at least make you genuinely laugh vs bemused confusion and bafflement.

      • Is it about Ron’s sailor hats? Is it? They all had peaks, didn’t they?

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        If you believe that, I’ve got some crimes to blackmail you with.

        • flyonthewall

          cave

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    Sooner or later they will all leave. Scientology is a rapidly shrinking breed. Soon to be extinct from what I’ve heard. There are few new ones stemming from their activities. In their natural habitat the ‘Body Router’, or corpus movensipod as they are technically known are running out of sustenance. Also, though considered a non-avian species it is known that many of them have already flown-the-coop. Eventually this will be known as the Crustacean Terminus Extinction Event.

    • Draco

      Or CrusTEV for short.

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        Or ClamBraked.

        • Draco

          That’s a good one!

    • They will become embedded in the Steampunk culture

  • Jgg2012

    Marty Rathbun would say that he never saw these people in the Celebrity Center.

  • nottrue
    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love Andrew’s innocent mistake on the “theata’s”

      I think that we should take to calling $cilons who post crap like this on Twitter, “Tweetans” 😉

    • flyonthewall

      I realized something sorta similar to that and it only cost me $20. Wonder how much Kirstie spent to realize it?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBl8b3x-EJw

      • Frodis73

        Last time I bought LSD it was $5 a tab *(20+ yrs ago). Much cheaper than sci loonery…and I have no doubt that any spiritual or out of body experiences I had were more authentic than LRHs BS.

        • Jimmy3

          I got two hits just for bumming a guy a cigarette a couple years ago. Turns out that guy was Daffy Duck. True story.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          How’s your friend

          • Frodis73

            She is still scratching but it has slowed down…plus I put the e collar on her, lol. She is not too happy about that…and its not even the plastic one!

        • flyonthewall

          Yeah I remember those days. Current rate is like $10. Here’s a VillageVoice article. No it’s not by Tony, I checked 🙂

          http://www.villagevoice.com/news/what-are-the-street-prices-of-ecstasy-and-lsd-at-columbia-university-6691215

          only thing authentic about Scientology is how authentically Hubbard you become.
          Hallucinogens only show you yourself

          • Frodis73

            Ha, that was interesting…as was the coke one. Gotta love the VV.

        • Liberated

          Me too.
          I’m pretty sure I achieved the state of clear a couple times.

      • DoveAlexa

        Hey, it’s that guy who says that stuff behind the guitars and drums before Maynard Keenan starts screaming nonsense at me! Awesome!

        • flyonthewall

          another dead hero

    • beauty for ashes

      Then why is your meat sack such a cause of upset for you? Specifically the way your meat sack looks. This is a really unhealthy mixed message and I bet she doesn’t even know why because she is divorced from half of her own humanity. SMDH

  • Nancy Law

    what impresses me about this list is how did any of them get past OT3 and further, how could any of them possibly get through OT7, some twice, when they’re so incredibly ill informed about $cientology … or is that just it … that in order to achieve these less than lauditory states, they could only do so by being incredibly ill informed … cause they practice a form of $cientology I’ve never heard of before … they just don’t have a fucking clue … I guess none of them have had to do several years in the RPF or they just believe that Lisa McPherson, if they’ve ever heard of her, was just a myth made up by those WOGs. Totally shaking my head at how air-heady they all sre.

  • This bears repeating (from above):
    “The irony of it is that in any addictive situation, you’re stuck at the age when you first got in.”

    And, it is said, that when an addict relapses (is “recovered” back to Scientology), they are right back where they left off.
    Seems about right.

  • nottrue

    TC leaving would have the biggest effect…. A beautiful Wog Woman with SuperPowers might draw him away

    • Newiga
      • beauty for ashes

        gorgeous photos of genuinely gorgeous ladies. Love it!!!

        • Newiga

          Yes! Nicole has been one of my favorite actresses since I was a kid.

          • Frodis73

            My fav performance of hers was in To Die For.I will watch it every time it is on. Superb!

            • MrsLurksALot

              Love that film! But, my fave Kidman flick is “Moulin Rouge.” I’m a sucker for musicals.

            • Newiga

              She was amazing in that!

            • Frodis73

              That is prob my 2nd fav of hers as I am a sucker for musicals too.

            • Newiga

              Yes! IIRR that was the first movie I saw her in.

            • Vaquera

              Yes!!

          • Ella Raitch

            I’ve never really warmed to her as an actress but I will credit her with her career choices and working hard at it. She strikes me as someone who really works at her performance, and not someone who phones it in as a ‘movie star’. My favourite Kidman film is probably Bewitched.

        • Liberated

          I know, they’re both too pretty and cool for that cult-addicted moron.
          You marry him ya get Davey too, yuk.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    For what it’s worth, for the past few years, Juliette Lewis has seemed increasingly iconoclastic. Perhaps one of the biggest “sacred cows” that she kicks to curb will be scientology. It will not surprise me if she already has done the kicking. I hope she also stands up to the growing cult of plastic surgery first, kindness last. Every scientologist over fifty pictured at any scientology gala looks like a bad replica of themself.

  • Public Service Announcement: Anyone planning to play the Fact-Check Drinking Game tonight, please stick to sips only! Anything more could cause poisoning and death. Please do not drive under the influence of politics.

    • Stephanie Loving

      Major LOL

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Falcons v. Saints on Monday Night Football – 10 year anniversary of the reopening of the SuperDome after the devastation of Hurricane Katrina.

      What debate? 😀

      • Mooser42001

        Should be a good game! I’ll read something about the debate tomorrow, or maybe not.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          We got invited to go with some friends who are season ticket holders. It physically hurt me to have to say no. LOL

  • Stephanie Loving

    Tom’s face is really changing. The pressure to be youthful looking at all costs (hollywood) and to be one of the TWO biggest BEINGS alive on the planet … what the heck is he doing? He’s swollen and red with a weird tightened mouth. Looks more like Ted Cruz than Tom Cruise. Not a good look buddy.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b12a5270ebc8bbf756f3ffeb4e48cce27e722b8e99f576b8f0b8055d47d5cf4.jpg

    • DoveAlexa

      Is he being forced to go to Scientology approved plastic surgeons? No 2 surgeons are the same and plenty of other actors have ended up going to a terrible one. Second theory: he’s just so pushy and agressive that he forces doctors to do things to his face they advise against, or to the point of him looking around for a doctor that will bend to any and all of his demands?
      I doubt Michael Jackson’s first surgeons were his last surgeons…

      • Stephanie Loving

        Great questions. Perhaps as the greatest beings, they are sharing their “greatest plastic surgeon”.
        I do know in a TMZ article about 5 years ago they spoke of his “face” routine. He sleeps in only one position … on back, face & neck supported, no pressing or wrinklage allowed to the moviestar face”.

        • DoveAlexa

          Well, if we can use every other person on earth as a control for his experiement, and looking at him, I think I can say all that effort was pointless.
          Sleep normally, you giant nork!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Yeah!

            Wait…what’s a nork?

            • DoveAlexa

              Boobs! I’m learning about 30 different words for everything, living in the UK. It’s like being 5 all over again!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Man, the Brits have the best slang, truly. Soak it up while you can!

        • Frodis73

          Why does this not surprise me at all? Such a douche.

      • Observer

        Which begs the question “Why can’t a Big Being like Tom control the aging process?” How can he create universes if he can’t do something as simple as keeping his skin young-looking without resorting to wog tech?

        • Stephanie Loving

          Perfect comment Obs. Why must they use “wog” doctors to “tighten” their situation?

        • flyonthewall

          it’s prob that dang Suri making him all PTS

        • Illinoisian

          HA! That’s true. If Tom Cruise were ‘at cause’ over aging, visibly and unmistakably — all the orgs would be filled up with people writing checks and begging to start on course.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Yes, and he lost his smile.

      • beauty for ashes

        Hi Deeeeeeee! havent’s seen you in a while! It’s always nice to see that big smile. 🙂

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Hi back and thanks you most Loving gal. xx

    • Frodis73

      He deserves it…and I think it is funny.

      • beauty for ashes

        That mail carrier really did piss you off. that is the bitchiest thing I ever heard you said and I;m sort of delighting in it 🙂 :):) (insert repaul gif here)

        • Frodis73

          Lol, she fucking did. I would love to smack her. Not really, but FFS. Its funny you say that cos I am a bitch, well I can be, big time. I get it from my mom and grandma!

          • beauty for ashes

            Really, naw. I think you’re sweet as pie Froyo. You got a good heart and you’re not afraid to express it, or be vulnerable. I always liked that about you. Either that or I’m toootally nuts, which could also be true 😉
            Standing up for yourself and not letting stupid people walk all over you so they can be lazy and deceptive and get you in trouble with your landlord, is strength, and standing up for yourself . I’m proud of you. 🙂 f5
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2481ac9f65dbff84b8848dab2c5979d639c47238b69d11d3369d80c3c0342154.jpg

            • Frodis73

              Aw, I love you Beauty! I asked for a complaint form, so that bitch has not heard the last of me. (evil laugh)

            • beauty for ashes

              hee hee hee heeeHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Good for you and that’s NOT being bitchy… Never mess with the rent check! And the whole lying to you thing would grate on my nerves and push my bitch button too!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Yes. It is really odd about his face getting so red and puffy.

    • Illinoisian
    • Cara

      I think I posted it before, but his fillers settled quite a bit. This is the most resent picture https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7de13e81cb0638cbeb0ce9722e5bb2ad4701e60cd5519c853ad5d699190406c2.jpg

      • Stephanie Loving

        Wonder what he pays to have the work done? And to keep it quiet?

        • Cara

          He usually gets fillers then disappears, and then reappears when they settle, so it was weird he showed his face like that. Also at that time he gained tons of weight. Tom’s action movie diets are really extreme that according to the director of MI5 Tom tends to binge eat after finishing a movie. Tom can’t do anything in moderation.

    • Susan black

      Maybe Botox? All over his face? Or has he just gained a little weight and gotten a little older?

      • Stephanie Loving

        Both! Or like Effervescent said … a roaring alcoholic trying to fight the affects with juicing and kale.

    • the effervescent mongoloid

      Why is it so hard for people to get? Tom Cruise, like his buddy David Miscavige, are roaring alcoholics. They both have that same red, puffy, blood-shot-eyed face.

      • Stephanie Loving

        Big excellent point. Alcohol takes its toll … especially in the 50’s!!

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          That’d def explain it!

    • Rasha

      *through rictus grimace* “Vris frukkin hrurts! Vare vree dunn hrere? Shrit!”

      • LongtimeLurker

        I know you said that aloud to get the spelling right. And I applaud you for it.

        • Rasha

          I totally did!! XD

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Yeah I don’t get the perpetual swollen look he has going on! It’s not a good look – ages him more than if he’d just let things be IMHO.

      • Rasha

        Aging, like all of Nature’s maturation processes, can be beautiful, if left to its own ways. If one either staves it off with Botox, etc, or flips it off with substance (ab)use, it can be pretty nasty, but so many of Rasha’s loved ones aged beautifully.

        …Tommy Mapother looks like a muppet, and not a friendly one. Yeesh. I’m off to have a nice old wine and some wonderfully aged cheese….

  • Frodis73

    OT Rant-I f’n hate the USPS. Esp in Cleveland. I know they have to take the civil service test, so they should be able to read at the least. So, I sent my rent out and almost 3 weeks later it comes back. I goofed, I put my zip code where the landlord’s zip should have gone. Ill ignore the fact that any half way awake person could have figured the problem out and fixed the zip code for me. But hey, my mistake. So I get it back, fix the zip code and put a new stamp on it and put it out. Later that afternoon it is gone. Next day it is back with no note or anything. I write a note and point out new stamp, etc. Still they don’t take it. She does it again today. I call the post office to ind out why and she says she will send them back out. She tells me she cannot take it because the stamp is used. To which I point to the new stamp. Then she changes the story and says its because the old stamp went through machine. I said well fucking duh, that is why I put a new one on. Now she says you cant do that. Ah since when? I have done that a bunch of times and have never had a problem. Her reply, no you have not. Ah, yes I fucking have. Not to mention she was a total bitch that changed her damn story. WTF?

    Oh yeah, the other thing she said was she did knock every time she was here. Um, I have a dog. If we don’t jump up to get the door, the dog will let us know somebody is there. There is no way she knocked on my door.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Man, I hate that “I screwed up but can’t admit it do I’ll try to BS my way out of it”.

      I feel your pain.

      • Mooser42001

        That’s too bad. Out here, the PO is cheerful, cooperative, and strives for excellent public service.

        • beauty for ashes

          Canada or Space station?

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’m in Australia. I think our PO is somewhere between yours and Frodis’.

      • Frodis73

        Thank you. Dont you dare tell me I have never done that before when I have done it a bunch of times. I even did it down at the fucking post office once, if it was a problem they would have told me.

        • flyonthewall

          maybe you just dreamed doing it? I have lots of post office dreams where I wait in line, weigh my packages, mail them, buy stamps etc and go home.

          • beauty for ashes

            do you fly home, and are your packages full of dragons?

            • flyonthewall

              no nothing like that, everything is very normal. Once I was mailing cookies, another time a book. Then I just walk back home, I live very close to the post office.

          • Frodis73

            I have never had a dream about the post office. Though this reminded me that I did dream about the Bunker the other night but now I do not remember the details!

            • flyonthewall

              oh ok, so in those other dreams you were at home when you were putting the new stamp over the old one. I get it

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Damn girl! That’s harsh. I’ve never had anyone with our USPS be anything but cool and helpful. You ever considered moving south? 😀 LOL

      • Frodis73

        Every cold day that sucks the soul out of my life honey.

    • RK

      Ask to speak to the Postmaster and tell him/her the problem.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I filed a complaint about our fill in person. Regular guy is great, but fill in lady got caught by myself & 2 neighbors forgetting to drop off one of 3 pkgs tracked together and & similar situation for neighbors. We were outside (at mailbox near entrance) talking about it when I get a notification saying she just came by, “attempted to deliver but no one answered and no room to leave” – uh except I was AT the empty mailbox & no one came in the entrance. Things happen, I get it, but lying? Then I’m pissed. I have read a bunch of stuff though about the poor souls hired as “temp” workers for a max of a year to support all the Amazon prime biz and how 3 years later they’re still temps, working 6-7 days a week, not eligible for overtime, raises and a bunch of other illegal nonsense… So there are likely a lot of over worked and burnt out employees thanks to that mess!

  • nottrue
    • LongtimeLurker

      Down thread someone said it was definitely registered as a business.

    • Observer

      Who is there to blaspheme in Scientology?

  • Shanester

    Tony pulled up some great quotes from this list of cult celebrities. Most of the quotes are cut from the same cloth of diversion woven by L. Ron Hubbard to cover up the unsightly blemishes in his pseudo-religion. (Sorry for the pained metaphor, but it was inspired by L. Ron Hubbard.) Oh, the poor schlubs. So famous, so clueless: the perfect combination for a Scilebrity. There’s a reason Hubbard went after them; he considered them all to be vapid dolts ready to prettify his dingy cult. I imagine he was surprised when so many of those pretty faces disguised the intelligence to suss him out. Notice that the majority of this list consists of old-timers and second-generation kids. Let’s take a look at how at how easy it is to see right through their inspired statements:

    Juliette Lewis: “The thing about Scientology is it is anti-drug in that you’re seeking relationship or communication tools – simple basics on how to live better.” So, does that mean Scientology is just a self-help group? Where’s the religion?

    Giovanni Ribisi: “I have never ever heard of aliens in Scientology, and I’ve been a Scientologist all my life.” Well, Giovanni, first of all, thank you for the quotable quote. (I realize it was in response to a pointed question about aliens in Scientology, but a smart guy like you should have known better than to say “aliens” and “Scientology” in the same sentence.) Secondly, what in Xenu’s name are you talking about? Your statement gets to Bill Clinton levels of word games. What is the definition of “alien”? Since you believe in rebirth, I can only think that your past lives on other planets don’t count as alien experiences, since it was you living them.

    Oh my. I just did a little internet research and found that L. Ron Hubbard’s seminal text on the matter, Have You Lived Before This Life?, which definitely discusses our previous lives as aliens, robot doll bodies, and energy transmissions, is no longer available from the official Church of Scientology. I must say I’m crushed. As far as I’m concerned, it’s the absolutely best book Hubbard ever wrote (or, rather, recorded; it’s case histories of people he audited). Seems about right that David Miscaviage would bury it. I’m telling you that Scientology without the space opera is just too boring for words.

    So, Giovanni, I’ll give you a pass on this one. You poor thing. It’s quite possible that you really have no idea about Scientology’s rich past involving Marcabians, Fifth Invader Forces, and Arslycus. All I can say is: David Miscaviage has the imagination of a mollusk.

    Beck: “I’ve read books, and I’ve learned about it. I mean, what I’m doing — I have a job, raising kids, I have friends, I have my interests, so I think my life is pretty full. I’m not off doing some weirdo stuff.” Standard boilerplate. Except for the “weirdo” part. Your poor raging subconscious just had to spit out “weirdo” when talking about Scientology, didn’t it? Well, rest assured my introverted musical prodigy: we all love you and your music no matter what. We’re also totally cool with you just slipping away from the cult and not telling anyone. Hopefully, that freedom will inspire a musical awakening within you.

    Elisabeth Moss: “There isn’t really any dogma or scripture, yes or no, right or wrong on that particular subject [homosexuality] in my church.” This is a straight-up lie. Both Dianetics The Modern Science of Mental Health and Science of Survival contains “dogma” and “scripture” which is very clear about L. Ron Hubbard’s exact opinions about homosexuals and, in Science of Survival, what should be done to them. Wow, Elisabeth, you are far too talented to be lying for your religion. What’s that all about?

    Kirstie Alley: “It is not true that you cannot [leave the church]…You’re not shunned, you’re not chased. All that stuff’s bullshit.” Kirstie Alley, you are a terrible liar. Your numerous statements and your own Twitter feed prove the exact opposite of that statement.

    Anne Archer: “Do I look brainwashed to you?” Yes.

    Nancy Cartwright: “I believe that there is a power that I am striving for. I think the best way to describe that would be to name that ‘God,’ you know. And ideally I would have to say that I am striving to be that God.” Well, Nancy, thanks for telling us you want to be a God. The internet rumor mill must be hinting at the truth when it says you’re as dumb as a bag of bricks.

    Well, I gotta go now. I might post part two later, although rebutting the statements of the remaining celebrities could probably fill up a book!

    • LongtimeLurker

      I love that the lazy, inept unfocussed mess that was Source would consider others vapid.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      “Anne Archer: ‘Do I look brainwashed to you?’ Yes.”

      **moves on**

      Priceless.

      • Lousy Ratatouille

        John Sweeney doesn’t need words to say yes, his facial expression says enough, doesn’t it?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoA4Y-KqH8k

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I love Sweeney. I mean, Ebner will always be my #1, but John’s right up there.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Can we just agree that Sweeney is a sex symbol? We’ll allow him to keep his status as a fearless journalist but…the truth must come out. LOL

        • Tracy Schmitz

          brainwashed AND in on the scam…

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Yeah that made me laugh… That reply is a true mic drop moment!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Vapid, Kool-Aid addicted dolts just about sums it up…great post!

    • Joe

      Hahaha, the Anne Archer response.

      Seriously, that part always cracks me up because it’s like if you ask someone if they’re brainwashed and their response is to snap at you with wild eyes it’s like yes, bitch. That’s exactly how brainwashed people act. If someone came up to me after church and was like “Hey, are you brainwashed?” I’d be like “Nah, dude. But thanks for playing.”

    • Ella Raitch

      Arslycus? Really?? Is it pronounced like I am thinking?

      • Shanester

        Well, Hubbard pronounced it “ar-SLY-kiss” in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lecture in the 50s.

        I do prefer the pronuncation which would come naturally to British-influenced speakers, however. 😉

  • I would love to see Beck leave Scientology, because I was a fan of his music before I knew anything about the cult, and now listening to it kind of depresses me. I suppose I’ll have to hope that at least he is at enough of a remove that he doesn’t feel obliged to donate $$$ to the IAS.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Tom’s okay everyone.

    He’s just temporarily being played by his first cousin, actor William Mapother from Lost.

    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2add71fe0cfbf374a125ce415401fe02d0b52c49f655b763046d7c0f8aa111f5.jpg

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Wow, he really reminds me of Will Forte.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I never noticed that, but you’re absolutely right.

        • flyonthewall

          he reminds me of a pud whacker

    • Chee Chalker

      The beaks on those two!

      • LongtimeLurker

        I know! That’s the Mapother schnozzola.

      • MarcabExpat

        At least he doesn’t have Tom’s center tooth.

    • MarcabExpat

      Wow, he looks, uh, much more Tom than I’ve ever seen him look. Deliberate? He used to seem to want to set himself apart from his glitzier cousin.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I agree. He did seem to want to be his own man.

        The hair in that pic is very Tom, to be fair there are other recent ones where he looks less like him.

        Maybe they’re just both aging towards some kind of old man ur-Mapother?

        • MarcabExpat

          A thousand upvotes if I could for “ur-Mapother.” Ur-anything, really.

          • LongtimeLurker

            lol. It’s underused.

  • nottrue

    Freewinds has been in Cartagena Colombia for months now…. How Glam…. Cargo Bid Atmosphere https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8837501d079f6cd18e13962629afb62121153b201f25155eb23babaf7e789c5d.jpg

  • Lousy Ratatouille
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ha! 🙂

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Awesome, good for her! Hopefully, she’ll make a pit stop in DC first…

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Ooh, she’s definitely coming to England!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Does this mean I’m going to need to take a trip?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I can’t think of a better reason 😀

  • jane456

    In my book (the book of Kimmey), you know it’s a cult when you can’t just walk away. Name me a religion where you can’t just quit going and say I don’t believe it anymore? In fact in pretty much all the big names, you can come on back if you change your mind. You cannot convince me that there is an authentic reason to hold people as “prisoners” of a belief. Which is sort of what this article describes. A bunch of prisoners, really.

    Dear celebrities, leave, don’t leave. Who cares, except you are contributing to harm. Some part of you knows this. You should listen to that part.

    The harm that has been going on all these years while you dilly, dally, you bear responsibility. You can never undo what has been done. If your humanity means anything to you you need to find some juevos and ask a fucking question or two.

    • Joe

      I <333 Kimmy Schmidt.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hear hear! I also feel like those who have publicly represented scientology, once they learn about the harm they’ve been supporting, have an obligation to denounce it just as publicly. It feels like the appropriate karmic balancing.

      • Joe

        or even just own it, if that’s what you believe. Like Elizabeth’s Moss comment is frustrating because Hubbard’s stance on homosexuality is very clear. So you can either 1) leave because you find their values inconsistent with your own values or 2) own it and say screw you, it’s my religion and I can believe what I want.

        That’s what is so annoying about people like her and Laura Prepon because they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be Scientologists and all that entails but then go to Hollywood and act like these enlightened, tolerant, open-minded individuals.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I agree. So I guess, in a weird way, those like Alley and Elfman and Cartwight at least get points for ownage (although I think they would all still try to publicly talk their way around the CoSs generally hateful stance on homosexuality). That’s why I find Beck’s passive, half-in/half-out bullshit uniquely frustrating. The longer he’s allowed to get away with that, the less incentive he has to either leave or commit. Meanwhile, he continues to tacitly support the abuses perpetrated by the cult. Goddamn, be a man and take a stand one way or the other.

          • Joe

            Yeah, it’s one thing to be dismissive of atrocities committed by a religion in the past, but the vast majority of Scientology’s abuses are still going on to this day. I don’t know how any of them can do it, at least those who seem to have some semblance of original thought still inside them that haven’t been completely brainwashed (shout out, Anne Archer!)

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              “…at least those who seem to have some semblance of original thought still inside them that haven’t been completely brainwashed”

              Hmm….I had to scroll back up and seriously ponder whether any on the list fit this bill. Maybe J. Lewis–although if she mangles a Joplin cover one more time, she and I are done.

            • Joe

              I feel like you can tell those who have some semblance of thought from the others because they either tend to 1) attribute some vague general benefit to Scientology or 2) pull the whole “we’re-not-weirder-than-any-other-religion” angle.

              The ones who are completely gone are the ones who shout it from the rooftops and act like Scientology is the greatest thing ever in the history or things. These are also the people who will jump down the throat of anyone who is critical of it. I would wager that Kirstie Alley’s or Jenna Elfman’s responses to someone criticizing or even questioning their “religion” would differ from someone like Laura Prepon or Juliette Lewis who like to appear balanced and cool-headed.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        I completely agree! Although while I was involved I sincerely believed that I was contributing my time, effort and money toward something good, I now realize that I was doing the exact opposite. So, trying to make up for the unintentional wrong that I did do seems entirely right to me.

        Plus, once you know on a direct experiential basis how life-destroying certain paths can be, you almost have an obligation to speak your truth as clearly as you possibly can…it’s just THAT important!

        I can understand and respect folks who just never want to have anything more to do with $cn ever again in their lives, but that “it’s all good, better to let folks find out for themselves” attitude that you occasionally here voiced by folks over in Marty World, just doesn’t seem right to me at all.

    • pluvo

      “Name me a religion where you can’t just quit going and say I don’t believe it anymore?”

      For example Islam and how it is practiced in certain countries where apostasy is punishable up to the death penalty.
      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/29/which-countries-still-outlaw-apostasy-and-blasphemy/

      • LongtimeLurker

        But Scientology was created in a (theoretically) more “enlightened” era.

        So there’s an argument to be made that they could have been significantly less screwed up than religions founded in Ye olde bad times.

        Except, you know…Hubbard.

        • pluvo

          The argument could be made, sure, but I think that the commensurability should be considered. Saying this having been 15 years in Scn and 13 years of it in the Sea Org. I certainly have experienced the mind-fu@#. Also there are quite a number of new religions/sects that have similar restrictions which include disconnections and harassment.

          I just recently saw a video of an undercover journalist who had infiltrated a (German) group of the the “12 Tribes” (I never heard of it before), who beat their children with sticks from the age of two to get them submissive. The leader of the group was presenting the same PR in public like the Scio PR when questioned about abuse. The slickness and evading, to fool even the authorities, was interesting to see from an Ex-Scio view point.
          Also Ex members telling their stories.

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            One thing that bothers me so much about the perpetual existence of CO$ is that it inspires others and seems to instructive to those who want to emulate El Con… Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like we are hearing about more of them again this past 10 years.

            • pluvo

              I don’t think that Scn inspires others. There are hundreds of religious groups and sects in the US. And I heard only of a few. I think we would be well-advised to keep commensurability in sight.

      • jane456

        I would call that an extreme form of that religion and like extreme forms of Christianity or any number of religions, they have veered into cult territory. But what you describe is not common.

        • pluvo

          If you look at the map of Muslim countries ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_worldwith ) where 90-100 % are Muslims, you can see that most of theses countries are also on the map where apostasy is punishable. It doesn’t look like it is “extreme forms” but rather mainstream.
          I was astonished that even Morocco is on that list as I was several times in that country and was also visiting a European friend who is living there, and I didn’t get that impression.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Well, if the $cn Creation Story was indeed correct, and if Elron had actually mapped out a path to true spiritual freedom, immortality and true super powers of telekinesis and and telepathy, then I guess it WOULD be worthwhile to be pretty involved with the cherch. But, as you rightly point out, you can’t really be totally free unless you’re free to come and go as you please, which is definitely NOT allowed if you wish to remain a $cilon in good standing.

      This is such a basic concept that everyone must know it, at least at some deep level. The cherch-approved cognitive framing for why folks leave such a truly miraculous religion that can save them for all eternity and restore their native state God-like powers is that somewhere along the line their auditing went wrong, which spun their case in. So, the solution is always to get’em back in and get’em handled in order to get moving back up the bridge.

      Either that or you’re one of these damn SPs, who are destroying everything good that $cn is doing. Although no one in the cherch will explicitly admit it, SPs are way more powerful than OTs because they can cause anyone to lose all of their case gain just like that…silly, silly stuff, but absolutely what they believe!

  • J. Swift

    This is an outstanding list; thanks to the Mystery CCI insider for handicapping it. Over time, the celebrity strata of Scientology has proven to be more of a liability to Scientology than anything else. The last real celebrity Scientology recruited was Louis Farrakhan and he ordered the Nation of Islam to follow him into Scientology.

    • Mockingbird

      Louis Farrakhan is a cult leader and notorious anti Semite. His statements on white devils are also noteworthy. Not exactly the celebrity I want to use for public relations. He has been called the black Hitler by several Jewish organizations. Not a compliment in my book.

      Louis Farrakhan in his own words.

      http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/united-states/c/farrakhan-nation-of-islam-noi-in-his-own-words.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#.V-mQQT8pBDs

      • Bob

        Clams don’t seem to have a clue regarding NOI.
        Neither does Davey. Not such strange bedfellows.

        • Mockingbird

          With the internet it’s easy to see.

    • Dave Reams

      I second Mockingbird – Farrakhan has been a consistent vehement anti Semite for many decades, and more recently the schmuck got all verklempt over that dreck spouting putz Trump.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/01/why-the-nation-of-islam-is-praising-donald-trump/

      • Mockingbird

        Farrakhan, Hubbard and now Trump – we are scraping the bottom of the barrel of humanity – actually we are going under the barrel for the stain that seeps into the earth under the barrel.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Speaking of which, it sure would be interesting to get an update on that “NOI discovers the wonders of $cn” story…sooo bizarre! After watching one of Brother Farrakahn’s wackier sermons given to the faithful awhile back, I had to give myself a locational and check to see if I might still be trippin’ on that LSD that I took about 45 years ago 😉

      My goodness, that church leader is every bit as whack-a-woo as Elron! I kept thinking it was a send-up, but he was being completely serious and none of the young guards who were on stage with him showed the slightest hint that they found his sermon funny or bizarre.

      • mikecrosby

        Your comment had me “‘youtube “Louis Farrakhan wacky ideas” ‘. The video that popped up was “Farrakhan on Scientology”. No kidding, try it.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I’m afraid to, my first experience was a little overwhelming;)

          It wasn’t so much that Farrakhan is very clearly mentally ill; it’s that he had the rapt attention of a fairly large audience who appeared to be lapping it like it was the gospel.

          It’s bizarre on several other levels as well. For example, vintage Hubbard is about as clearly a racist as it’s possible to get, so did Farrakhan and crew just never dig deep enough in the subject to discover that or did they just give him a pass because his schtick was just so compelling!?

  • Someone is doing a Minecraft novel. I think the first chapter is the main character punching a tree.

  • Kim O’Brien

    just posted invite to HowdyCon over at ESMB . Hope i did not screw it up

    • flyonthewall

      you invited those freaks!!?? J/k lol

      • Kim O’Brien

        not too sure my comment thread was even posted …kind of confusing posting a new thread 🙁

        • flyonthewall

          that’s the main reason why I don’t post on ESMB, don’t like the format

          eta – format, platform whatever

        • Ella Raitch

          It’s there as a thread but there is no content, and I can’t reply to the thread. I will see if the mods can sort it out

        • Ella Raitch

          Yeah – not working and I can’t flag it for the mods. Maybe Derek or I can create the thread. I think you need to make a number of posts before you can create a thread. There was a thread for the previous HowdyCon so regular posters will know what it’s about

    • flyonthewall

      you should invite Marty and his commenters

    • Ugh I post on there all the time. You should’ve just tasked me with doing it. Are you a n00b there because be prepared for the, “OSA is coming to get us” squad.

      • Kim O’Brien

        well ..i posted my name and email and everything ..said i was a poster here …and others have cut and posted a few of my , shall we say , more ” colorful” comments from here . But please …make sure they know i am not a spaz LOL . ( or at least OSA )

        • I just thought about it this morning, but I feel like Howdycon is for the commenting community in the Bunker. Might be a good idea to keep it exclusive.

  • Mockingbird

    Good Scientology celebrities filled day Bunkeroos.

    I have always had a frustrated impression of celebrities in Scientology. Even when I was a Scientologist I felt Scientology isn’t about actors, musicians and artists. Despite Hubbard’s claims that they are higher beings building new worlds.

    I felt Scientology was about the technology, Hubbard and the group. Now that I have completely rejected Scientology technology, Hubbard himself and don’t support the group in their cult activities my perspective on many things has changed radically.

    My perspective on celebrities however remains extremely similar in several important ways. Celebrity doesn’t bring intelligence, understanding of Scientology or good judgment. The celebrities in Scientology mainly are a distraction from the important issues and add confusion to an already confusing subject.

    But now folks like Leah Remini are doing the hard job of telling the truth about Scientology. It’s complicated and embarrassing to reveal that you fell for Scientology and what the actual practices and beliefs are. I strongly respect the choice of anyone that leaves and wants their privacy respected. They have no obligation to act as I would. I also respect the celebrity that admits to being duped, admits to how bizarre the beliefs they adopted were, admits to continuing in Scientology after strange things became apparent and admits to being foolish. That’s hard and hangs over your reputation the rest of your life.

    I think the main fascination Scientology holds for many never ins is that cult is full of contradictions. It’s obviously a fraud and utter nonsense to millions of people but has a great influence over thousands of people. By actual observation and interaction you can see that many Scientologists are intelligent and competent in other ways, they can be doctors, engineers, writers or just generally bright, but somehow they are oblivious to the red flags regarding Scientology.

    They often are zealots and fanatics that would do almost anything for Scientology or to avoid seeing evidence against it or Hubbard.

    The great mystery to many is why.

    I think figuring that out requires looking at a lot of subjects and going to dozens of experts. It’s not a short road and often eccentric celebrities can give the false impression that Scientology recruits the stupid and insane, which isn’t true at all.

    But the attention celebrities bring to the crimes and abuses in Scientology certainly is far better than the media ignoring it. When incidents like the South Park OT III episode are technically inaccurate ( it portrayed Scientologists as believing in Xenu who about ninety nine to ninety nine percent of Scientologists actually never hear about while in the cult ) they give Scientology a terrible reputation which makes the optimistic trust Hubbard needed potential recruits to hold almost impossible to find. That’s a terrific public service in my opinion. I would prefer a more accurate portrayal of Scientology but take a win wherever I can.

    • Bob Crouch

      Once upon a time, being a scientologist gave a celeb’s public image a boost as being “spiritually deep” or thoughtful, reasoned and therefore, “different.” Of course, it added to the mystique that the fans (and probably often the celebrity) had no idea what this “religion”–especially its more “advanced” features–was all about.

      Thankfully, that ship has sailed.

      • Mockingbird

        Yeah, now it makes a celebrity look crazy or at best foolish.

        • Bob Crouch

          Even more so than they usually manage to appear…

  • Jeb Burton

    I don’t know who is likely to leave, But I bet it isn’t Krusty Alley. She has been spotted in numerous areas here in Clearwater in her pickup truck tooling around town. I guess she must of bought a home here. Local rumor ii is that it is Lisa Marie Presleys old house. Dont know that to be true. But everybody says she is really nice and poses for selfies and is cool. She doesnt seem to be the bitch she is on twitter.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    God, Cruise is turning into an ugly guy. Maybe the soul of L.Ron has taken him over.

    • SciWatcher

      I never thought he was that great looking to begin with, but ee gads, now I cringe when I see him. Someone really needs to tell celebrities that botox is NOT a good look.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I wish Rodney Dangerfield was still around. “Me and Cruise went to the zoo. They thanked me for bringing him back.”

  • I love Juliette Lewis. She is her own person too.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    HI EVERYONE! lordy be, where to begin? cruise: something CATASTROPHIC has to happen in his life or career? because EVERYTHING that has happened already hasn’t been catastrophic enough? (3 failed marriages, no relationship with daughter, punchline joke, his buddy laughing behind his back, and on and on? REALLY?…

    michael pena: seeing jenna elfman saying ANYTHING much less about scientology wowed him so much he just HAD to join???

    ribsi: i’ve been a scientologist forever and never heard of aliens in my religion?” never heard before, during or since ribsi? didn’t know you lived in a cave when not working!

    travolta: hmm, everything good in your life is because of scientology AND i would love to know how IN DETAIL! and what about the bad stuff? like your son dying DOESN’T TRUMP ALL THE “GOOD STUFF”????

    catherine bell: i’m a OT 7, and got a divorce from my husband (guess she skipped the marriage and communication courses?!) and now i’m involved with a woman and my religion sees this as being perverted and i’m a degraded being, but hey it’s all good? HUH? and DOUBLE HUH?!

    this list of MIND BLOWING ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING STUPIDITY AND CLUELESSNESS AND LACK OF SELF REALIZATION AND SELF RESPECT IS OFF THE CHARTS with these people!..

    • Mockingbird

      Nobody’s perfect.

  • Mockingbird

    The bitter enders is a great phrase. As most of you probably already know I was in for twenty five years and realizing Scientology is a harmful fraud and the technology is not beneficial or honest at all and that Ron Hubbard was a pathological liar and cruel conman was truly crushing.

    Talk about a bitter end. There is a reoccurring theme in stories of the disillusioned true believer that loses all faith. It’s especially tough when you learn the beliefs you followed weren’t just mistaken – they actually were designed to promote evil and dishonesty – the reversal from thinking you are supporting good to knowing you helped evil and suppressed good is very tough to swallow.

    I know that lots of people would rather stay in Scientology than face any possibility they are wrong. It’s a very bitter pill. I certainly didn’t enjoy it. Scientology leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

    • mikecrosby

      I can’t even imagine after being exposed to this 24/7 for years on end. And sadly, for someone to never fully recover is completely understandable.

      What is going to happen to some of these hard core oldsters when they become feeble and a detriment to CoS? Does CoS at least try to contact family members to come and get them?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Sure they do. But not very hard.

      • Mockingbird

        ESMB has many stories of abandoned Sea Org members left in terrible situations. It’s tragic.

    • Stephanie Loving

      You are one of my heroes Mockingbird. To come out and through and (like Chris Shelton) become an expert observer of all things CO$ after the crushing psychic blow is not only admirable but it is truly inspiring. So much to work through … you made your OWN path and are walking your OWN road.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. The closest I have come to being an expert is being extremely duped and an “expert” at being gullible. I have to accept being wrong and capable of being deceived as inherent to my nature as the blood in my veins. It’s inescapable.

        The people here certainly have helped me to throw off Hubbard’s influence and continue to do so virtually every day.

    • Interested2

      I suddenly felt like hugging you.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. I am okay.

    • MarcabExpat

      I can’t upvote this enough. Beautifully, but devastatingly, put.

      I’m so glad you didn’t choose the blue pill, MB.

      • Mockingbird

        All they had was pinks and greys !

        • MarcabExpat

          And there is the SENSE OF HUMOR that you won’t find on any Scilon or Indie blog. No wonder you’re still sane!

          • Mockingbird

            Thanks ! Opinions vary on my sanity though !

    • aquaclara

      One of the best parts about being here is seeing exes like you just honestly nail it. What it’s like. Why it’s still around. And what happens after. Cheers, Bird. And hugs. I am not crying, really, I am not. But just hand over the damn tissues, ok?
      🙂

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. No tears necessary. I just wanted to compare my experience so the celebrity Scientologists that stay in or leave silently can be put in perspective. They have a bad situation to deal with.

  • mikecrosby

    In my own particular cult, not anything like Sci., when I went home, I definitely did “as the Romans do”. My holy roller religious BS flew out the window. Pass the bong and someone get me another beer god damnit.

    Thought I was unusual for doing that until years later someone offhandedly mentioned how his brother was very high up in this church. And when he’d come home, he’d do blow like nobody’s business. Turned out to be the same church I was in.

  • Justin Castillo

    Who saw Xenu on Celebrity Name Game today? #FergusonKnowsSP

  • Justin Castillo

    P.S. What about the other Mastersons? #ChristopherKennedy #Alanna #Jordan #MyWatchList

  • Former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder dropped a bit of a bombshell two years ago when he reported at his blog it was well known in Scientology circles that after Catherine Bell’s divorce with actor Adam Beason in 2011 she joined up with party planner Brooke Daniells. Said Rinder: “Whatever their PR statements, someone auditing on OT 7 leaving her husband to have a relationship with another woman does not win you any popularity contest with Dear Leader.” Our source says that since that happened, Catherine has been “kept off lines” and “it’s all kept very quiet.” In other words, Catherine won’t be progressing up the Bridge to reach higher levels of enlightenment. How long before Catherine tires of Scientology’s legendary homophobia and bails?

    What the…? The ranking and the synopsis are a complete and utter contradiction. Catherine Bell is easily a 4 or 3, if she is truly being kept off lines and hooking up with another woman. Ridiculous that she was given an 8/10. She’s closer to leaving than the rest of them! If she’s not out already.

    • flyonthewall

      I wondered the exact same thing re why she was given an 8. Maybe it’s bc she’s still in despite all that stuff, idk

      • I think Tony’s source failed to grasp the concept of the “1-10” relative comparison. Considering half of them were given a 10 and no one rated lower than 6.5.

        There I go again being pedantic.

        • flyonthewall

          Right or maybe it’s a typo? Release the rubric Tony!

          • So many of them are like, “Well I never see this person around, they don’t really talk about Scientology, etc. But fuck it I am going to give them a 10 bc i dk why”

    • Chee Chalker

      I obviously have no inside knowledge on this topic, but I would guess that the ‘inside source’ is erring on the side of caution.

      Five years ago I would have never believed that LIsa Marie would leave and for the reason she did.
      (I don’t know Lisa from Adam, but from everything I have read about her, she appears to be someone who values loyalty). And Priscilla had been in for ages. So a few years ago maybe the source would have put them at an 8 as well.

      Any of these celebs could bolt tomorrow. There are a few who could do enough damage that Dear Leader would near an extra box of Ms. Clariol ‘Amber Waves’ hair dye to cover up all the grey hair that would pop up.

      IMO, with the exception of one puffy cheeked, flushed face, centered toothed individual, I could see any of these celebs bolting.

      I took the article not so much as a definitive ranking, but more of a general discussion on the status of Project Celebrity

      • Listen, I’ve got no insider information and Tony is obviously a much smarter man than me, but my only complaint is that with this one post, I feel like there was truly a missed opportunity.

        • Chee Chalker

          I see where you are coming from where everything was above a 6. I wanted to see some 2s and 3s in there too.
          It’s all a crap shoot in the end. I’m still wondering why Jason Lee opened his eyes. I’ve always liked him but felt he was in the TC orbit.
          Who am I kidding? TC had much bigger fish to pull into the cult, like Will and Jada and the Beckhams.
          Come to think of it, Tom’s stats are not straight up and vertical when it comes to recruiting.
          I expect more from a Big Being

          • Kestrel

            Good point. Their perceived association with Tom Cruise was a stain on the Beckhams’ popularity here in the states.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Weren’t the Mace Kingsley duo a “couple”?

  • order66

    I’ve only seen Avatar once and won’t watch it again, so what else has Giovanni Ribisi done? I’m drawing a complete blank on this guy. And bitter-ender is a great way to describe Cruise.

    • Joe

      I think he was in the unsuccessful remake of the Mod Squad back in the day. He also had some cameos/recurring role on Friends as Lisa Kudrow’s character’s cousin or something.

      • order66

        Thank you. I guess he’s kind of a “Hey, it’s that one guy who was in that one thing” type of actor.

        • MrsLurksALot

          He was incredible in “The Gift,” with Cate Blanchett.

      • flyonthewall

        Saving Private Ryan, the medic. Was good in that. Boiler Room is still my fav

        • order66

          I remember him from that, now that you mention it.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Ooops, didn’t see that you had already posted about his stint on Friends. Sorry for the repeat folks.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Lost in Translation is the first movie of his I always think of. It might also be the only movie of his I’ve seen. (Oh wait, I saw Saving Private Ryan, but I don’t remember him in it). He’s never a leading man–usually a secondary character actor.

      • flyonthewall

        yeah, in a lot of big movies though. I forgot he was in Lost Highway. Looks like he was in Selma too but I can’t remember him. I like him

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      He did a short run on Friends as Phoebe’s little brother Frank. He was hilarious in the handful of episodes he was in.

      • Anion

        MY SISTER’S GONNA HAVE MY BABY!!!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Awww, that’s one of the best scenes. 🙂 So hilarious. Really hoping he’ll follow his daughter out. *fingers crossed*

    • Chee Chalker

      Ribisi was also Phoebe’s brother Frank on ‘Friends’.
      I’ve never seen Avatar, so my memories of Ribisi are fond ones.
      He was great on Friends. Really funny.

      • order66

        I rarely watched Friends. I mean, I was aware of it, since it was everywhere for so long, but it wasn’t my thing. Besides, for a while there were two wrestling shows on at the same time.

    • LongtimeLurker

      A Million Ways To Die In The West.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Oh right. He’s worked with…what’s his face…Seth MacFarlane a few times. I always forget about that.

      • order66

        Seth McFarlane, right?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah. Underrated, imho. I like it.

    • MarcabExpat

      Avatar is great to watch one time on the biggest Real-D screen you can find, marvel at the flora and fauna through those googly glasses, then go home and stumble into things for an hour or so and forget entirely the names and faces of everyone in the film. Seriously, I know what’s-her-name did mo-cap for it, and I think Sigourney Weaver was even there but I might have hallucinated that, and that’s really all I can remember about Avatar except the plant life was pretty great. Giovanni Ribisi isn’t even pinging in my memory of this movie.

      Oh and I covet your avatar.

      • order66

        Thank you!
        I don’t know why, but the visuals in that movie just did nothing for me. Of course, I have no interest in 3D, so there’s that. I thought that movie was just Dances With Wolves Goes to Outer Space, and I ain’t exactly fond of that one either.

        • MarcabExpat

          It is Dances With Wolves Goes To Outer Space, and if I’d known that I wouldn’t have gone to see it. But my husband saw it first with a friend who’s a special effects artist in the industry, and he came home and said “you have to see this,” so I did. I guess I’m not hard to impress, because I was impressed, or more likely it was just the first modern 3-D pic I ever saw, in Real-D as opposed to those awful red-green atrocities. That was definitely all it had going for it, though.

          It also made me reluctant to go see more 3-D movies, because for a while after I take off the glasses, everything looks much closer than it really is, with the result that I can’t walk into a room without instantly stopping to avoid crashing into the opposite wall. This is more entertaining for my husband than it is for me.

          • order66

            My issue with 3D is so many movies suck nowadays, I’m not going to pay extra to wear those goggles, to sit through a movie somebody should have paid me to watch.

            • MarcabExpat

              True that. I rarely go to movies, and seeing “In 3-D” makes me less likely to go, not more.

            • order66

              If Dr. Strange is in 3D, I may have to make an exception.

      • Frodis73

        This is a great description of the movie. While I enjoyed it at the time, I really do not remember much about it at all!

        • MarcabExpat

          Right? Two+ hours of “Ooooh, look at that!” “Look up in the corner there!” “Did you see that thing fly by?” And you get home and have trouble telling anyone what it was about.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    John McGhee says there are less than 40 $cientologists in Ireland.
    Yesterday, we looked at plans to improve the moribund state of $cientology there.

    Here’s the esteemed “Dr.”, Lafaillite Ron Hubbard, nuclear physi-cyst and uncivil engineer
    attempting the same almost 60 years ago.
    Awarding doctorates himself, as easily as he awarded himself medals.
    Antony Phillips was an optician embroiled in $ci by his father in 1954.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/befec371a68726b0a62c7f036dec700611a3e086ed95b1158897a2c41133dbc2.jpg

    • Observer

      What?! No gold star and/or smiley face sticker?

      • grundoon

        Extra charge for those.

    • sizzle8

      Signed by Reg Sharpe for L Ron Hubbard.

    • Bob Crouch

      That’s a fun document! Other than it being a somewhat embarrassing “honor” to be awarded a “PhD” by a guy who couldn’t even achieve passing grades during his freshman year, it’s interesting that Hubbard did not even bother telling Anthony the discipline that this “doctorate” is in. It’s like a high-school graduate Mafia chieftain awarding degrees to his best earners.

      “American College of Personal Efficiency.” That’s another howler. But on a serious note. This makes me wonder whether this is perhaps the source that Hubbard plagiarized for “his” admin “tech?”

  • Here’s a ranking for them relative to each other. In my mind this is a combination of factors that are priming them to leave Scientology and how deep their connections and dependence on the cult run.

    From least likely to leave in the next few years to most likely to leave in the next few years.

    20. Nancy Cartwright
    19. Kirstie Alley
    18. Tom Cruise
    17. Chick Corea
    16. Jenna Elfman
    15. Kelly Preston
    14. John Travolta
    13. Marisol Nichols
    12. Anne Archer
    11. Greta Van Susteren
    10. Juliette Lewis
    9. Beck Hansen
    8. Laura Prepon
    7. Danny Masterson
    6. Giovanni Ribisi
    5. Ethan Suplee
    4. Elisabeth Moss
    3. Erika Christensen
    2. Michael Peña
    1. Catherine Bell

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Bodhi Elfman is calling right now demanding to be put on the list.

      • He’s obviously the submissive partner in his relationship with the domineering nutcase that is Jenna. She can be 16A and he can be 16B since he will only follow her wherever he she goes.

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          I like your list. Makes a lot of sense. I wonder about all the other minor actors/actresses around CC as well.

          • Ranking them relative to each other makes a more meaningful list rather than just taking each person by themselves and holding up a scorecard.

            If I ask you, “How likely is Kirstie Alley to leave Scientology in the next 5 years?” You’re gonna go, “Ahhh fuck no never she’ll never leave. 10 for sure.” But if I ask you, “Who do you think is more likely to leave Scientology in the next 5 years, Tom Cruise, John Travolta, or Kirstie Alley?” You’re gonna have to think about that answer.

            • Cara

              You think Nancy Cartwright and Kirstie Alley are less likely to leave before Tom Cruise? Why?

            • Yes. Because Tom Cruise leaving Scientology would be celebrated by a lot of people and encouraged by anyone that he would open up to outside of Scientology. Even those of us who have loathed him would be happy that he was out because it would be a huge blow to the cult and it would also catapult him back into relevance with his fans.

              If Kirstie left everyone would still think of her as a rude bitch (as she has thoroughly been labeled by the media) and maybe a few people would care. If Nancy left I doubt anyone would even notice besides those of us that stay on top of these things. Plus she completely depends on Scientology to make herself feel like a celebrity and feel relevant. Outside of Scientology most people don’t even know her name, much less that a woman does Bart’s voice.

              See, I can put thought into things sometimes!

            • Cara

              Makes sense actually.

            • Tony’s Headline: “Nancy Cartwright leaves Scientology”

              All the other headlines: “Bart Simpson says ‘Eat my Shorts’ to Scientology”

            • Bob Crouch

              Makes sense to me. Plus, as far as I can tell, Nancy is the most committed to actually showing up and doing things in the cult (she was part of the tiny D-list celebrity contingent at the SMP opening). Tom has become very selective about putting himself on the line and risking his career again as cult poster boy. And, as you pointed out, who cares what Kirstie does? Her celebrity in the cult is all she’s got left.

            • littlefish

              I also think that since he strayed once before (in the 90s) he could stray again, especially if he’s at all self aware of the backlash from his nuttery in the mid 2000s caused.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Makes a lot of sense to me. Plus, some of these folks anchor other family members and/or friends in place, so when and if they go, others are likelier to follow and vice versa.

              Speaking of which, that “escape the cult with your entire family in tow” strategy that Leah Remini and Lisa Marie Presley pioneered seems like the very best way that I can think of to escape that killer cult and never have to look back!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Rank ordering makes sense, especially given the social connections. The one thing that does get lost, though, is “how much more likely” is it that one will leave over another. Because my sense is that at least the back 9 would probably all be pretty close in terms of absolute likelihood of leaving. Same with many of the top 10, especially since they’re linked by a social and family clique.

            • I imagined the list as a sort of line at the exit door of Scientology. With the bottom 5 not even aware they are standing in a line, and the top 5 looking out the window of the door and marveling at how peaceful it seems compared with the rancor behind them.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              OK, I’m down with quintiles.

            • That’s not to say you’re wrong at all. This is purely speculative and a fun topic. You should make a list of your own.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I think the way you’re imagining them as chunked into groups is more or less what I was thinking. I don’t have the rank to rank them. ; ) Seriously, I don’t know enough about half of them to make even an educated guess. But all the speculating is fun and interesting.

            • You surely know at least as much as I do if you have been reading Tony’s blog. I’m not sure if you think I have some kind of access that you don’t, but rest assured I do not have any kind of special access.

    • TonyOrtega

      I love your list. The one I developed with my source was only an approximation. I think yours has as much chance to be correct as his.

      • Thanks, Tony! I’ve been pondering on it all day.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I would have imagined Danny to be a lifer. And I would not have imagined Christensen that high up. But I can only go by what I see in their public life.

      • I put them in the middle only because their identities are heavily dependent on Scientology, but they are also still young and that makes them volatile. Especially as they start to mature they are going to have existential crises which could lead to a break with Scientology.

        I would think that Jenna would stay in for life too, but I think she’s more likely to leave than the rest of the bottom 5 only because she is a powder keg. I honestly think Nancy Cartwright is the most likely to die while still a thetan-blooded Miscavigite.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I agree about Nancy, definitely. She’s heavily invested emotionally as well as…in every other way.

    • Rasha

      Is there a “Fantasy Blow” league?

      • Kestrel

        I don’t know, but I’ll bet there’s a “Fantasy Blow” dealer out there somewhere…

      • I’ll see if I can make one.

    • ReallyMGM

      I would put Erica high on the list the leave after her marriage. I don’t think her new husband was a scientologist at the time of their marriage. I looked round on FB at his family member’s pages father the wedding and none appeared to be members. Of course by now they might either be disconnected or members themselves.

      ETA: Correction. Her husband very possibly has joined CoS. Although he has no Tweets regarding CoS, he follows Ethan Suplee. I’d say he is in.

      • I put her high on the list to leave as well.

        • ReallyMGM

          Derek, I would have put her up higher on the list, when I saw Ethan Suplee as someone her husband follows on Twitter (not a follower), I think he must have joined since their marriage.

          • The fact that she is married to Ethan Suplee makes her more likely to jet in my opinion. His very close friend just bolted from the cult and moved to Texas. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are both having pillow talk about why they think he left.

            • ReallyMGM

              Good point! Mallrats!

            • ReallyMGM

              Derek, I thought Ethan was married to a gal who is considered “will never leave?” Her and his family is really in big. I see the Suplee name in many of the Valley Org minutes that Mike Rinder posts monthly (or there about). I know Ethan is a part of the View Askew crew but will that really be enough to cause him to leave? The only thing I can see swaying him further would be if his wife’s sister left (Juliette Lewis).

              I of course respect your opinion because you know far more about leaving than me (someone who has never been in). Hope you are doing well.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Greta Van Susteren: On social media, I’ve seen several clams posting that they expect Greta will be Trump’s White House Press Secretary. No joke.

    What about Skrillex? He’s probably a bigger celebrity to most 20-somethings that most of these older clams. Is he out or just doesn’t want to acknowledge that he’s still in?

    • Skrillex isn’t that big a deal anymore. Like most Scientologists, he’s faded from relevance.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, but he’s still gotta be more popular than Anne Archer. If you randomly asked people on the street if they have heard of a celebrity named Nancy Cartwright, I bet almost no one could identify her. There are celebrities who are scientologists and scientology celebrities (z-list has-beens/ never-weres/ never-will-bes active in the CO$). Thank Xenu, there are more in that last category.

        • I would have to disagree. There are a lot of people out there who have no idea who Skrillex is.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            For sure, but I’m talking specifically about younger folks. Ask an 17 year old if they know who Skrillex is. Then ask them who Anne Archer is. No competition. The CO$ needs younger celebs, not someone who’s glory days were in the last century. I expect from now on born-ins are their last hope to hitch their cult wagon to a future star.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              That and they’re still getting recruits from countries like Taiwan where, for a variety of inexplicable and probably perverse reasons, $cn is actually expanding.

              About the only good thing about the Sea Orgy’s “no kids allowed” policy is that in one short generation you end up eliminating the biggest source of those born into the cult kids.

              As hyper-connected as kids are nowadays, none of them who haven’t already been inoculated against The Cult of Xenu and his disembodied space alien victims are going to remain clueless for long. They’re going to find out all they need to know and so much more right after their personality test results conference and…whoops, there goes the sale 😉

            • sizzle8

              Skrillex was #6 of the top 10 DJ’s for 2015.
              His career is solid. Old farts may not know who he is but the younger crowd do.
              That he had Scientology parents is irrelevant, specially since he isn’t one.

          • DoveAlexa

            He’s a semi-sapient android they made from a 56k modem from 1995.

      • Bob Crouch

        Must be the hair 😉

    • aquaclara

      She and her husband are good friends of the Clintons.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Then why did they back her short-lived opponent Martin O’Malley? She’s also still good friends of Roger Ailes.

        • Bob Crouch

          O’Malley’s from MD.and therefore pretty close to her husband’s business interests. He’s young enough to where this was probably not his last attempt at the presidency. If nothing else, he managed to raise his national profile quite a bit.

          And then there’s the fact that Hillary doesn’t sit right with a large number of Dem’s (not to mention Rep’s)

    • sizzle8

      He grew up in it but isn’t involved.

  • flyonthewall

    i think there’s something on TV 2nt I’m suppose to watch but I can’t remember what…

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      I don’t know. That’s debatable.

      • Observer

        ISWYDT

      • flyonthewall

        only moderately so

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          I’ve never known you to be so politically correct in your response.

    • Observer

      I’m not watching, because I know my Vicarious Shame Syndrome will kick in and I won’t be able to enjoy the buffoonery because I’ll be feeling all the humiliation that the buffoonish party should feel but won’t and it will be agony.

      • flyonthewall

        that’s what alcohol is for silly! Every time either of them lie, take a shot. Before you start playing, it is imperative that someone in the room stays sober and knows the signs of alcohol poisoning bc you will likely get it within the first 15 minutes

        • Observer

          I’ll just watch something nice and soothing by comparison, like one of the murder shows on ID.

          • flyonthewall

            mmm, good ole cold blooded murder.

          • Rasha

            Air Disasters is another alternative….

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I’ll be there as long as I can stand it. I am too emotionally involved. I find it gut wrenching. There is too much at stake.

      • MarcabExpat

        I’m in the room where hubby is insisting on watching it, but I anticipate lasting another 5 minutes before fleeing to the office.

    • Vaquera

      Falcons vs Saints

      • flyonthewall

        faaaantastic!

  • Bob Crouch

    One thing has become a true rarity: A scientologist (a) under the age of 60 who (b) made the decision to join up (as opposed to being raised and brainwashed into the cult). And that demographic’s a good thing!

  • Observer
    • Mockingbird

      Uh..someone shooped this…somewhere…no need to see it….

      • Observer

        I wouldn’t shoop that if you paid me. Gah!

        • DoveAlexa

          Good, now I don’t have to pay you not to!

          • Observer

            Aw, man…I screwed that up!

        • Mockingbird

          Everything from celebrities gets shooped.

    • flyonthewall

      vag is short for vagina, in case anyone was confused. You’re welcome

      • What’s a vagina

        • flyonthewall

          it’s kinda like a pancake with a strip of bacon on top, it’s weird I don’t really know tbh

          • Does it have something to do with blue waffles

            • flyonthewall

              …yes. Yes it does

            • DoveAlexa

              NO AND DON’T ANYONE GOOGLE THAT!

            • flyonthewall

              blue waffles are not SFW?

            • DoveAlexa

              I was warned about this along with a long list of other things not to google because it’s a trap. I have long since learned to listen to the ‘it’s a trap’ doomsayers.

            • Observer

              Urban Dictionary. It will tell you what it is without pictures. It has saved me many a trauma.

            • DoveAlexa

              I wish I could blindfold my mind’s eye. ._.

            • flyonthewall

              was dragon thingees one of them?

            • DoveAlexa

              That’s a hillarious adult toy store. Probably won’t scar anyone, unless you’re a jahova’s witness or somesuch. Baddragon.

            • flyonthewall

              baddragon that’s it. I told you I didn’t google it when you mentioned it a long time ago but I did. We’ve come a long way in our relationship, I thought it best to come clean now so that there is nothing between us.

            • DoveAlexa

              Hahahaha! Kay. I just get a kick out of how they name individual toys with names like ‘Terra the Amazon Wyvern’ or ‘Spritz the Seadragon’.

            • Rasha

              No, Fly. They are not Star Force Weapons. They are breakfast foods that utilize Blue Food Dye No. 2. Star Force Weapons include such things as the Death Star and the Wave Motion Cannon. Odd breakfast vs.planetary armageddon.

            • iampissed
            • Rasha

              That’s DISGUSTING!!!

            • Ella Raitch

              I don’t want to, but I want to know what all the cool kids know. What to do? What to do?

            • Kestrel

              You don’t want to, but it is early in the day for you, isn’t it? If so, you won’t be going right to bed with that image to deal with.

            • Ella Raitch

              Glad I took Obs’ advice and googled for urban dictionary definition!

            • Frodis73

              That is the safe route! I am one of those people and had to see for myself. Lol. Unfortunately I came across the most horrific video on the net because of that and it haunted me all damn day. Even now I get ill thinking of it. Humans can be sick and evil as hell.

            • DoveAlexa

              Observer said use Urban Dictionary, and she was right. No pictures.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          It’s that gash below the norks.

          Hey, I’m just explaining it like a British teen would. And norks comes courtesy of my new slang master, DoveAlexa. ; )

          • DoveAlexa

            I’ll tell you another one this recess, meet me at the top of the slide.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Cool! I’ll trade you my peanut butter crackers for all the dirty secrets.

            • Princess Squishy

              peanut butter is contraband at some (maybe most?) schools in the states now. All the allergies.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Man, even in the schools, I’m an outlaw. ; )

      • Observer

        *shakes fist*

      • Bob Crouch

        And “pus” is slang for “face.” Good thing it’s all out in the open now…

      • Rasha

        …not “vagetables”??? *scratches head*

    • Bob Crouch

      Yikes! Well, fortunately she doesn’t have to worry about that too much any more. Her last film that achieved any kind of positive recognition was in 1997. Before that in 1987/88. If that’s what OT powers and Celebrity Center connections are doing for her career…

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        She’s filming Scream Queens.

    • Liberated

      Typical, a crass, vulgar, disgusting scientologist, what else is new?
      Guess she’s trying to out do Jenna blowing horses. Yikes.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      That reminds me, I wonder how close she is with her old “Wrath of Khan” costar? 🙂
      (refresh)

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14861b863458923a53c811932bf627a4b3acdcb844aeb743a5d9fe81f993ceb3.png

    • WOG with Attitude

      Isn’t she an OTVII or something. How can she possibly mess up her lines.

      She’s disgusting in every way. And she can’t even see how horrid she is!

    • Rasha

      What lines?

      • Observer

        She’s in Scream Queens

        • Rasha

          …is that something?

          eta: is it something that forgetting the lines for is worth shooting one’s self in the vagina with a weapon? I’m assuming handgun here. Also, how does that improve one’s contract status for what I assume is a TV show?

          • Observer

            No clue on any count.

            • Rasha

              Cool.

            • Rasha

              I’ve learned so much from her. I can see the state of the planet improving, just because of her insights….. Thank you, L. Ron!!! 🙂

          • LongtimeLurker

            Nah, it’s not something. Yes, TV show.

    • Username

      Seems like d-lister Kirstie is feeling irrelevant (because she is irrelevant) and trying to be funny by imitating A-lister Amy Schumer / Chelsea Handler type humor but the joke doesn’t make it (because she isn’t funny) and comes out gross (because she is gross.) ugh… She makes my skin crawl…. And I like everyone 😉

    • MarcabExpat

      Drunk?

    • ReallyMGM

      A pathetic bid to be funny comes off as crude and vulgar.

  • Username

    To turn today’s post around, are there any celebrities / public people that you would like see join Co$ because they would do more damaged then good to the cult?

    I have several but my top pick would be Anthony Weiner aka Carlos Danger. I’d love for him to pubically embrace auditing on his reality show as a way for him to try to overcome his urge to send photos of his genitals to teenage girls… Only to become a Scientologist who is several hundred thousand dollars lighter and is still a pervert.

    Anyone else way to play or is everyone watching the debate?

    • iampissed

      Well I think Andy Dick could be fun…handle that.

      • Username

        Oh he would be good! He’s just the perfect amount of crazy.

    • FredEX2

      I think you mean ‘nortorious’ persons…not celebrity?

      • Username

        Yeah but just tell them they are celebrities and sit back and watch the circus.

        • FredEX2

          Yes, true…many aren’t Scientologists…but plenty of them are still narcissists. LOL

    • FredEX2

      I think Kirstie is already doing a good job of turning people off to Scientology unfortunately. Instead of class, she comes across as very crass. So much swearing and nasty comments. I used to like her when she was younger. Don’t know what happened to her…but her words and actions seem to prove that Scientology isn’t working for her. She seems quite angry and argumentative. Like she’s stuck in ‘antagonism’ on the tone scale.

      F5
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31f13be7bb85b1c22b92387647cd4ff5f6034168a28181fb0703e0d8f0fe3ac4.jpg

      • Username

        Is this really a thing? I know the tone scale, but do they use this?

        • Frodis73

          Oh yeah, it is very real!

          • Username

            Seems so arbitrary and forced to try to quanify your feelings on a numerical scale. Like one has a direct linear relation to the other.

            • Frodis73

              Exactly! It is all kinds of f*cked up imo.

            • FredEX2

            • Username

              Thanks for explaining and no apology necessary. I’m sorry to hear about your son and hope you did find healing, have support around you and find support on this site. I am by no means an expert on any of this and have no room to judge. Debate and different opinions are encouraged. I think what is not welcomed is when someone tries to continually assert the same opinion in ways that are not helpful. It raises a flag that someone in the IAS office is just trying to interrupt flow or just try to insert their agenda. You were completely ok and I think there are others like you on this site that did find some things helpful. My opinion is the LRH observed many techniques already in existence, some reputable, and just repackaged it. So it’s no surprise that some of it could have been beneficial. My comment and opinion was that it may help but at a steep financial cost that could simply be found elsewhere, like with a therapist or life coach, and without all the other stuff like brainwashing, family disconnection, etc. 🙂

            • FredEX2

            • Username

              I clearly didn’t read the situation correctly. I woke very early this morning and wanted to respond to you. I should have taken more time. My head was foggy on my IAS /OAS and yes I’m new like I said commenting but have been reading for about 2 years. Like I said, I am really sorry for your pain and have no personal experience to say “I understand” because I truly don’t. My only connection is I hate bullies and I hate people who take advantage of other people, especially the ones among us that are less able to fight back. I believe in strength in numbers and this fight needs numbers. I have much to learn everyday and always will… Thank you for that reminder. I’m a big believer in therapy and hope a source of help can be found to heal from what you said is unspeakable evil. We may not agree on everything, but I think our hearts are in the right places :). I would like to learn more about your experiences and knowledge to the extent you can talk about them and you find it helpful.

            • FredEX2

              Username, please don’t worry about it. You didn’t say anything wrong. I enjoy the things you have contributed here. Please continue. The points you make are intelligent and valid.

            • Username

              I’m all good FresEx2! Just been a bit busy with a house renovation. Thanks for the vote of confidence 😉 I like your contributions too and look forward to more. Sending you and your son good thoughts.

            • FredEX2

              ~😘

        • FredEX2

          Yes. Actually the ‘tone scale’ can be helpful. Not everything in Scientology is bad or horrific. One of the most fun things I attended was a Conference about communication in Toronto…and one of the things they did was have people acting out the tone scale emotions…they illustrated these various ‘tones’ of emotion in little skits,…It was hilarious…And there was a lot of laughter.

          • Username

            I can see people having fun with it. In the spirit of fun…how much did that nugget of wisdom set you back 😉

          • chukicita

            I find it restricting to assign human emotions to a linear scale in any application beyond a parlor game. Some important emotions are not represented on Hubbard’s scale. And it’s intended use seems manipulative rather than actual help.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, things like love, compassion, empathy and sympathy are all missing iirc.

            • chukicita

              Either missing or assigned to lower linear value.

            • Username

              No wonder many of them come off as sociopaths.

            • FredEX2

              Thank you for the things you said above Frodis…Yes, I’m aware those things are missing in Scientology’s ‘tone scale’…but they were never missing in me.

            • FredEX2

              I get what you are saying Chukicita. And I don’t disagree.

            • Frodis73

              Thanks for explaining more in depth how you felt. Also, don’t feel badly about it either. Unlike what some folks elsewhere on the net believe, we very much understand that many people feel they had “wins” and positive experiences with various aspects of scientology. We all may have some disagreements about how and why you had those wins (it wasn’t LRH or sci that can take the credit imo), but you should always feel welcome to talk about it.

            • chukicita

              FredEx2 I don’t know your story although you have hinted at it here more than once.
              It sounds harrowing.

              Of course there are components of Scientology that appear to “work.” Especially when you’re under great social and financial pressure to accept that it “works” and you’re forbidden to discuss it, improve on it, or explore alternatives. Sure, the Tone Scale is simplistic, but you found value in it — at a time when you seem to have needed some value. And nothing wrong with having fun watching people act out stuff.

              No need to feel guilty, hon.

              Humans have an incredible capacity to make sense out of nonsense. It’s what we do. We compartmentalize and sort stuff out. We’ll confirmation bias with the best of ’em. We will convince ourselves that correlation is cause — if it makes others around us stop trying to hurt us.

              Have you ever seen the movie “Life is Beautiful” with Roberto
              Begnini? A man ends up in a WWII concentration camp with his young
              son. In order to help shelter his son from the horrors of the camp, he
              convinces the boy that their time there is part of a game. There is
              something about that which reminds me of how people can find ways to get through Scientology.

              Hubbard figured out a way to play people off their own hopes and fears, and off each other, and make a buck doing it.

              I guess my point is, you’re not in Scientology anymore, and you know it doesn’t work for everyone the way it claims. My worldview doesn’t accept a linear scale of human emotion. Period. But if you found value in it, then great. I hope you use the Force for good, Luke. 😀

            • FredEX2

              😘 Thank you Chukicita. BTW that movie “Life is Beautiful” is an excellent example of survival and the lengths we will go to try to shield our children from such horrific things.

              Including,…like a mother deer…when confronted with prey who will harm her fawns…she will hide them…and walk out into the clearing and run away to lead the prey to herself to protect them.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Donald Trump?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        If you say that three times he appears. So be careful.

        • coonellie

          Got rain?

      • Username

        He would fit right in

  • FredEX2

    What I would like to see is a list of all the celebrities who are not and never were…and never will become Scientologists. There are so many more actors, actresses, celebrity talk show hosts, musicians, singers, writers, producers, artists, Broadway playwrights and actors, dancers, etc…than there ever were past or present Scientologists.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      interesting isn’t it that “EVERYONE LOVES tom and working with him” and yet NO ONE, i repeat NO ONE he has ever known and worked with has become a scientologist and ever inquired him about it? what does that say tom? i mean if it’s so great, why isn’t everyone your around for decades EVER getting involved or ask you about it? NOT one person! he never ever EVER thinks this with the world’s biggest “HMMM?” “HUH”?..course another HUGE point is that those who “love him” but have to LIVE WITH THE GUY that being 3 wives have come and gone!

      • FredEX2

        That is a VERY good point!

    • Great idea. Great if just regular people came out too.
      I started an “I am NOT a Scientologist” project.
      Was hoping others would pick up on it, and do their own.
      Still a great idea.
      One of the vids I did at a solo raid at the DC org.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6YVLoUP58
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeKZS6gQ0V4

    • LongtimeLurker

      Scientists, engineers, doctors, philanthropists, sports people, astronauts, successful politicians, architects…

      • FredEX2

        Absolutely! Even better!

  • EnthralledObserver

    Hillary is in perpetual defence of herself in the debates. Trump is killing her! lol

    • Captain MustSavage

      The moderater allows him to keep interrupting her. She’s smiling too much.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Her voice is changing with the strain… I don’t think she can physically do it back to him anyway.

        • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

          She got in a few blows about his unreleased tax returns. Now she’s talking about the people he’s stiffed. He just interrupted her when she correctly stated he talked about negotiating the National Debt downward.

          Pass the popcorn, thar he blows!

          https://www.cbc.ca/strombo/content/images/whale-earwax-california-getty.jpg

          • EnthralledObserver

            Clinton Foundation – transparency. Pot calling Kettle black.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              How many fines have the Clintons paid to the IRS over their foundation?

              Zero.

              How many times has Trump had to do so?

              Once.

              When will he release his tax returns?

            • EnthralledObserver

              He said he’ll release them when this round of audits are over. What more do you want?

            • Frodis73

              Please, he keeps coming up with a new excuse when ppl get sick of the old one…and this applies to so many questions about the guy.

            • EnthralledObserver

              As far as I’ve heard the ‘audit’ is the same ‘excuse’ he’s always used. He said he’ll release them… if he never does then he can go in the same basket as Hillary potentially hiding conflicts of interest.

            • Frodis73

              True, you are right and I was wrong about that statement of his. However, I bet he will do that if they announce his audit is over before election. Anyway, kind of beside the point as the IRS said there is reason an audit prevents him from making them public.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Audits are over for many prior years, not yet released. Coward.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Maybe he should release the older ones… I assume he has reasons, but I don’t know what they might be – I’ve never come across any information on this. I actually had assumed they would be available just they weren’t the ones people wanted to see.
              At least we can take heart in the fact that the audits have not turned up any major criminal activity… otherwise it would have resulted in legal action and the media would have been on to that, surely.

            • EnthralledObserver

              The Clintons will not be transparent about their Foundation… the details would reveal corruption plus.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              Trump’s charitable foundation received approximately $2.3 million from companies that owed money to Trump or one of his businesses but were instructed to pay Trump’s tax-exempt foundation instead, according to people familiar with the transactions.

              In cases where he diverted his own income to his foundation, tax experts said, Trump would still likely be required to pay taxes on the income. Trump has refused to release his personal tax returns. His campaign said he paid income tax on one of the donations, but did not respond to questions about the others.

              That gift was a $400,000 payment from Comedy Central, which owed Trump an appearance fee for his 2011 “roast.”

              Then there were payments totaling nearly $1.9 million from a man in New York City who sells sought-after tickets and one-of-a-kind experiences to wealthy clients.

              That man, Richard Ebers, bought goods and services — including tickets — from Trump or his businesses, according to two people familiar with the transactions, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the payments. They said that Ebers was instructed to pay the Donald J. Trump Foundation instead. Ebers did not respond to requests for comment.

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-directed-23-million-owed-to-him-to-his-charity-instead/2016/09/26/7a9e9fac-8352-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html

              Who is it, again, who won’t release their tax returns?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Is Clinton willing to open the books for the Foundation?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Oy.

              They’re open. Here:
              https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

              (And in all fairness, I would offer a link to the Trump Foundation financial reports on line, but they’re not available. Go figure.)

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              I’ll say one thing, you stick to the subject like a good OSA agent.

              The Donald J Trump Foundation and the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation are both “celebrity” organizations, “seeded by money donated by their founders and also serve as a vehicle for members of the public to demonstrate their support of a prominent person,” according to the review issued Wednesday by Jacob Harold, CEO of Guidestar, a leading nonprofit watchdog.

              But the similarities end there.

              Clinton’s foundation is larger, with data from Dec. 31, 2014, showing assets of $354 million compared with $1 million for Trump’s non-profit, the analysis said. Additionally, Clinton family tax returns suggest that their foundation accounts for the majority of their charitable giving, the analysis concluded.

              Trump has not released his tax returns, so “it is difficult to know the scale of his charitable activities outside the Trump Foundation,” the analysis said. The last donation to the foundation by Trump or any of the other trustees was in 2008, the organization’s tax returns show. The review also cited Washington Post reports that were unable to validate that Trump actually donated the money he pledged to charities.

              “A fair argument can be made that the Clinton Foundation should have been more aggressive in dealing with the perception of potential conflict,” the analysis said. However, the review noted that the organization now shares legal and audit documentation, along with information about its donors — who include Donald and Ivanka Trump.

              Clinton’s foundation also provided qualitative metrics about the success of the global agricultural and educational programs it supports, thereby winning a “transparency seal” from Guidestar. Trump’s foundation did not, leaving the watchdog’s analysis to rely on information disclosed in the organization’s annual tax returns.

              “These forms appear to indicate an unfocused generosity,” the analysis said, citing grants of $5,000 to $25,000 issued in 2014 to the Palm Beach Opera, the Police Athletic League and the Ronald McDonald House of New York.

              “There is nothing inherently wrong with sprinkling many small grants in unrelated areas,” the analysis concluded. “But the Trump Foundation’s approach would certainly not meet the standard of focused, proactive grantmaking commonly called ‘strategic philanthropy.'”

              Looks like Trump should up his books of his Foundation as much as the Clinton Foundation did.

              You wanted transparency, little man? Read the whole thing, and then weep.

              http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/09/21/charity-watchdog-calls-trump-foundation-unfocused-clintons-transparent/90775120/

            • EnthralledObserver

              I’m not a man. Certainly not a little man. Would you like me to be condescending to you or attack you personally? If not, do me the courtesy of acting like a grown up and refrain in the future.
              I will certainly take a look. If I weep or not I can report, if you like.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              Oh, grow up already. You’re ignorant about the transparency of the Clinton Foundation, and the possibly illegal shenanigans of the Trump Foundation, aside for the violation of campaign donation laws, for which a fine was paid to the IRS.

              Anyway, be glad you’re not in the Sea Org and have the wherewithall to wipe your ass, but that’s about all you have going for you nowadays.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I don’t know why you have the need to be so nasty.
              I’m having a discussion.
              That’s allowed, right?
              That’s not a crime?
              My opinion is different to yours… I’m willing to look at the evidence that is contrary to what I’ve already seen if it’s relevant and consider it.
              I don’t understand why my differing opinion means you feel you have to hate me.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              OSA agents aren’t known for doing more that paying lip service to our criminal laws, as Hubbard advised his followers to do.

              You’ve got a problem on your hands. I can understand why you feel this way.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Huh?
              *sigh*
              You think I’m OSA? Is this what the hate is about?
              Tony has met me, when in Australia on his book tour. Would you like proof?

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              It wouldn’t be the first time an OSA agent has done so, would it?

              Your inevitable dishonesty gives you away. But, you haven’t failed enough to be put in the RPF

              yet.

            • EnthralledObserver

              So, you want proof. Yes?

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              You’ve provided more than enough proof tonight, OSA. Keep flailing about, as I don’t think your superiors aren’t going to let you meet with Tony a second time.

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol… okay. Knock yourself out. This is me.
              Decidedly not OSA.
              Never-in.
              🙂
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92da53d70b333453c743c0fe119ccd6e851c12bc136f7b7fc36d6ac4fd9e7f25.jpg

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              I’m just another guy on the Internet, it’s not my fault the OSA gets idiots like you to do their bidding for them.

              And of course you have a picture with Tony, what better way to throw off suspicious folks who might otherwise see you for what you are?

              Anyway, blow CoS and join us here in freedom away from the Deadly Dwarf and his minions. You’ll be glad you did!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Just ask around – everyone knows I live too far away from any $cientology establishment to have even met one in person, let alone become involved.
              Look up Cyclone Marcia – that’s where I live – no $cientology here.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              Why do you care what some random chump on the Internet thinks of you?

              Why is your failure to convince me so seemingly important to you?

              Don’t urinate on my shoes and tell me it’s raining.

              And remember https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/737a58992d337ba7c5065e576936f66d968fe3fc4bacf62713c4b028f5b8121c.jpg

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol – yeah, you’re right… I don’t care.
              Int Base is great – you should come on over. I’ll distract the guards at the gate so you can negotiate the spikes over the fence without interception. We’re playing cards tonight… OSA’s day off for the decade. Good timing. It might get cancelled, but maybe not. Bring a torch to signal with. And see the cards.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              Get some sleep, chump.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I would bet good money that EO is not OSA. I’ve been reading her comments for a couple of years and, while I know (some) OSA can (occasionally at least) play the long game I think it’s not the case here.

              Having said that, I can see why one might think it, especially given how different her behaviour is from the other Trump supporters or politically right commenters in The Bunker.

            • EnthralledObserver

              “especially given how different her behaviour is from the other Trump supporters or politically right commenters in The Bunker.”

              How am I different?
              Not cowed by political correctness?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sorry for not being clear, that’s on me trying to avoid typing on an iPad.

              Actually in fact, it’s sort of a compliment. Yes, you often stick around after you comment, that’s the main difference. And I guess it could be seen as one of the indicators of a certain kind of OSA (Elle was like that)?

              But that’s not to say all the other commenters here who share some of your politics are being “cowed by political correctness” I don’t think that’s fair to them.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yes, that’s probably not fair. I agree. It could be so many different reasons, all as valid and reasonable as the next.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I mean, they could also have less guts than you, absolutely. But yeah…reasons…

            • Frodis73

              Bobby, she is not OSA. She has been here for a long time…most of just disagree with her feelings about Trump, etc. I will eat a shoe if she is OSA.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Sorry to have to engage with you, but this is idiotic. The Clinton Foundation has always had open books. The reason there has been so much discussion about it is because the material is readily available.

              Here, go crazy:
              https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              What is Trump hiding by not releasing his tax returns? Hillary made a very good point on that – maybe not giving to charity, maybe owes money, maybe doesn’t pay taxes…

            • Frodis73

              All of the above is my guess.

      • Frodis73

        That is very annoying…and then she started doing it to defend herself. This sucks. She needs to be perfect tonight to do well and that is not going to happen. I hope he has a meltdown of some kind. If she mentions his little fingers maybe he will flip out.

        • Kestrel

          She can’t afford to look petty. There must be something she can say to elevate herself above the muck and get him stuck in it.

          • Kitz

            I just want to know when the actual candidates are going to show up….

        • Captain MustSavage

          Yes. Debates usually benefit the candidate doing less well. She needs to be on top of her game. Good to see the mod correct the Donald on the stop and search thing.

        • pluvo

          Why is Trump grimacing like a clown? His facial expression is quite similar to this guy:

          http://image.excite.it/politica/foto/i-meme-piu-divertenti-su-donald-trump-nei-panni-di-benito-mussolini/2-duce-douche.jpg

    • Tracy Schmitz

      are you kidding me? clinton is presidential and intelligent, trump is doing his usual loudmouth, innuendo, assholish, interrupting her and not answering ANY questions, making sarcastic, outrageous and weird facial expressions and acting basicaly a loon!… he’s BEYOND a bullshitter!..

      • Frodis73

        She likes him.

        • EnthralledObserver

          It’s not that I like him… I like some of his ideas. Specifically immigration and the wall. Build the wall, it’ll be best for everyone.
          As a non American most of his economic policies are irrelevant to me.
          Mostly Trump is the better choice of the two – Hillary is a war-monger, threatening war with Russia. That will be catastrophic for everyone.
          Trump is willing to work with them for harmony – no threats of war – that’s best for everyone.

          • Robert Eckert

            Trump’s deal with Putin will be that Putin can invade Latvia if Eric is given a large chunk of downtown Moscow real estate for a sweetheart price.
            Trump has no “ideas” except a desire for his own personal aggrandizement and enrichment.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Blah, blah, blah…
              This is white noise unless you have evidence, Robert.

            • Robert Eckert

              The entirety of Trump’s life is the evidence.

          • Frodis73

            Wait a minute here. I have to laugh. I am no fan of Hillary…was not going to vote her until freakazoid became a real possibility (I am sick of voting against ppl vs *for* them) of winning the election. I just find it ironic that you say she is more of a war monger than him…he is the one out there threatening to drop nukes all over the place. He honestly thinks he knows more about ISIS than our generals. I bet he doesn’t know the dif between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Again, I do not particularity care for HRC and with her we will just get more of the same establishment politics…I really want serious change and upheaval of the system. Corporate America and the 1% our running the show (they always have, but it has gotten worse)…right into the ground. However, Hillary is at least sane and has experience in foreign policy, negotiations and knows her shit.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Point me to a video where Trump says he’s willing to drop nukes all over the place. I don’t believe he ever said that.
              In return I’ll go hunt down the vids where Hillary does say it.
              Trump is in consultation with ex generals… are they not qualified enough to know what they are talking about?
              Hillary’s ‘foreign policy’ experience caused all the chaos going on around the world. I don’t think she’s particularly sane. You’d be happy with more of the same? It won’t be the same – it will be worse because she’s got the codes – she doesn’t need to run it past someone else first.
              Putin has warned the media to pass on to the American citizens just how much danger they are in allowing their government to act on their behalf the way they have been, placing nuclear weapons within striking distance around other nuclear nations and provoking them, telling lies about war crimes in order to convince people that the US are the good guys and Russia’s, Iran’s, Syria’s, Iraq’s, Libya’s, Egypt’s, etc. secular governments are the bad guys when it isn’t true. Russia is posed to retaliate the moment the US kick off. And they all have nukes. And here is Hillary still threatening Russia. You think this is going to end well for anyone? Trump has stated he wants friendly negotiations.
              I’ll get the vids.

            • Frodis73

              He did not say those exact words, he seems very eager to go to war and he has said no option is off the table, including torture,nukes…even including nuking Europe. Hillary is a hawk too, I know that and I am not a fan. However, Trump gets into Twitter fights with people FFS. He is so thin skinned. I do not want him any where near the nuke codes.
              No, I am not digging video up, its all over the net and easy to find. They play this stuff over here all the time (I forget you are not here in the US at times). Plus, this conversation has gone on way too long. We can take it to the off topic board, but I need to go to bed as it is 1am here and I have to be up early tomorrow.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Okay – as I thought, I know what you are talking about (I’ve watched them all already) and you have taken out of context, as usual, what Trump actually said. He does not say he’s eager for war. He’s commented on specific circumstances if I recall correctly – I’d need to refresh myself on these details about what he said about ‘war’ before I comment further – it was a while ago that I watched the vids about this particular topic.
              As for using nukes – upon responding directly to a question posed to him he said he’d be willing to use them if the situation warranted using them – otherwise why have them? Just like every other country… if they are there and the need arises they will use them. Trump clearly is in favour, by explaining he’d like to have friendly negotiations with Russia, etc, that he’d rather NOT use the nukes – which is the opposite to what you tried to describe.
              If Hillary kicks off military action against Russia for any reason the nukes on both sides WILL be used – I can guarantee that. She’s itching to go to war, her own comments and past actions condemn her of it.
              Good night, have a great sleep – we can end it here… it’s all good. I don’t go to the other site.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Here’s one… I can find more.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4aIIpCDsLU

            • EnthralledObserver
      • Todd Tomorrow

        A sociopath doesn’t think their bullshit is bullshit.

        • coonellie

          Having intimate familiarity with a sociopath, I’d agree. My problem is that they both have symptoms.

      • Frodis73

        Oh, he has one club where everybody is welcome and he acts like he is frickin’ Martin Luther King Jr. I hate Cheeto Jesus with a passion.
        eta-fixed cheeto

        • MCurie

          thank you Frodis…i have been giggling for several solid minutes from the reference to Chetto Jeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssuuuuuuuuuuussssssss

          • Frodis73

            I love hearing that it made you laugh. I would love to take credit for that one, but I cannot. I don’t remember where I first read it, but it makes me giggle too.

        • Mymy88

          OMG too funny (Cheeto Jesus). I have a friend that makes me laugh with the ones she comes up with. My favorite is Screaming Yam. I’ll have to let her know about Cheeto Jesus. I know she’ll love that one!

          • Frodis73

            I have never heard the Screaming Yam one, but that is good too. He is so easy to make fun of. I wish I could remember where I first read Cheeto Jesus.

            • Mymy88

              deleted

            • Frodis73

              I have been trying to figure out who that was!! I had no good guesses at all either. Thanks for letting me know!

      • Harpoona Frittata

        More one-on-one debate air time is not The Donald’s friend here, that’s for sure!

        The bizarre facial tic “best of” reel should be super fun…dude does some very expressive byt extremely weird stuff with his face.

      • Liberated

        Trump needs to sniff some more.

        • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

          If you want to hang out, you’ve gotta take her out, cocaine
          If you want to get down, get down on the ground, cocaine

          She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie,
          Cocaine

          If you got bad news, you want to kick them blues, cocaine
          When your day is done, and you want to run cocaine

          She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie,
          Cocaine

          If your thing is gone, and you want to ride on, cocaine
          Don’t forget this fact, you can’t get it back, cocaine

          She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie,
          Cocaine

          She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie,
          Cocaine

    • Mockingbird

      Um….if you examine different schools of persuasion your opinion might differ…

      • EnthralledObserver

        They’re examined and rejected.

        • Robert Eckert

          I don’t think you know the meaning of the word “examined”

          • EnthralledObserver

            You’d be wrong then.

            • Robert Eckert

              No, I don’t think so.

        • Mockingbird

          Huh ? All schools of persuasion got everything wrong ?

          • EnthralledObserver

            If you have something specific you want to share with me… go ahead.

    • Mockingbird
      • EnthralledObserver

        I’m pretty much giggling at this ridiculous character assassination of Trump.
        Nobody gives a shit if it’s Trump or someone else who takes the helm… it’s his policies and ideas that are popular. Not Trump’s personality or draw.
        Build the wall to protect the poor citizens and retain the jobs, rather than giving them away to foreigners and in lots of cases letting the money leave the country.
        Limit or prevent (temporarily) Islamic immigration – especially from the areas of the world involved in war against the US who might be hostile – to protect the current US citizens.
        Stop the destructive foreign policy that is no more than the US imposing ‘self-assessed superior’ morality upon other countries around the world as a distraction to the US government ensuring the ‘petro-dollar’ remains the currency of resource trade.
        If Hillary stood for this she’d get ALL his followers too.
        It’s simple. Put America and Americans FIRST.

        • Frodis73

          I have a much better idea. These (proud to be American) companies should stop hiring illegals and pay living wages.If there were no jobs there would not be such a demand for illegals. That is why for me this issue is really about racism and not jobs. So much easier to blame a whole group of people, that just so happen to not be white…
          As for that dumb ass wall idea. Have you looked into how much $$ that would cost? Annual upkeep alone would KILL us. That money can be spent much better. Not to mention no matter how high you build it people will find a way around it….they always do.

          • EnthralledObserver

            What about individuals and families hiring illegals? Housekeepers, etc.
            Can’t blame it all on companies.
            How can it be ‘racism’ if the greatest group of poor people the US has are black Americans? They are not white… give them the jobs! Pay your minimum living wage to them. Their standard of living will increase, their crime rates will decrease, the cost to the taxpayer via welfare will decrease and the government can invest more in infrastructure and education and healthcare.
            Shut your borders.
            The wall would save you money as listed above – despite its high build costs and maintenance costs – billions upon billions of dollars are wasted on heathcare, education, crime, social services and lost taxes to illegal immigrants. Maybe a few will get through but nowhere near as many that are now; I think it’s a worthy investment. It’s good for Mexico too because it will keep their workforce at home and will grow their economy. Those illegal immigrants doing ‘cash’ jobs and sending the money back to their families in mexico are not paying tax in America, and neither are they in Mexico. If they work legitimately in Mexico they don’t take from America but contribute to Mexico – win/win.

            • Frodis73

              I mean the individuals too, trust me. They make up a much smaller percentage, but they should do the same too. I cannot force the govt to do this. That is why they are all a bunch of hypocrites in my opinion. They could end this by cracking down on the hiring of illegals, but they don’t because they are beholden to corporate America. Instead they get the racists all wound up by saying look over here, “those” people are stealing your jobs. While many are distracted by that they are running amok doing all kinds of crap to make themselves richer.
              I have to laugh about it being good for Mexico too by keeping their workforce at home..um, there are no jobs there now. How would us building a wall suddenly create the millions of jobs they would need? Also, on the no taxes thing, more taxes that those already (mostly) rich companies get to avoid paying too. There are very few options for work there…unless you consider working for the drug cartels a great opportunity for advancement.

            • EnthralledObserver

              If you keep the citizens in their own country where they are forced to improve conditions then they will. The jobs will follow when the citizens are forced to remain… whilst the brain and labour drain continues improvement in their country will never occur. The US, by continuing to enable the dependency of Mexico on the US, is preventing the country’s citizens improving it themselves. They must have incentive to improve… whilst crossing the US border remains an option to them they will not rise up and conquer their challenges.
              Trump has plans to solve every issue you bring up. I’m no economist, but he’s a proven history showing that he understands business, economics and money… I have to give him a certain amount of trust that he knows his craft.
              Trump is also not beholden to corporate America – he’s the one you should be backing if that is your grievance. Hillary is just the opposite. Not to mention she’s owned by foreign powers too. They won’t advocate American interests over their own, that’s for sure.
              You agree with Trump, but you don’t trust him to deliver. That’s seems pretty evident. I hope he gets in and proves to you he was the man you sought all along.
              You won’t need to ‘force’ the government to do this for you if you vote for Trump – that’s his goal too.

            • Frodis73

              I know all about Clinton and corp America, that is why I voted Bernie in primaries. However, the thought of that racist, misogynist, wanna be dictator that does not even understand how our govt works makes me want to puke.
              As for him being some kind of business genius, sorry we are just going to have to disagree. He has made some money, in ONE area, real estate. Big whoop. Real estate and global economics are two entirely different things. Not to mention the majority of his business dealing have been incredibly shady, if not illegal, morally wrong. If he is so great why is he being sued for bait and switch type business? Filed for bankruptcy so many times? No, sorry, I will pass. With Hillary things will be the same and very establishment…at least she won’t totally mess things up by having a tantrum over a tweet one day.
              I do not ave the time to get into it, but from what I know about Mexico, the issue is so much more complex than you state. I know very little about those complexities and the history, but I know more than Trump does and he is not going to fix it.

            • EnthralledObserver

              As a Bernie supporter what did you think of the email evidence of Hillary stealing the nomination from Bernie?

            • Frodis73

              I was PO! Not surprised, she is establishment as is the DNC imo. They want to keep the status quo just as much as those establishment folks in the GOP. I want change, I am a progressive, lefty type, so Hillary is just more of the same. I feel she wants the job so badly that she will put our needs second to get that job. I am not fond of her, even though our views line up on a lot of the issues. I am holding my nose and voting for her though because Trump is scary for the millions of reason I have talked about. I know that Hillary will not flip out because somebody said something that hurt her feelings and lash out.

        • coonellie

          Here’s the thing…the ideas have some merit. But Trump is a scary liar. The problem is that so is Hilary. Neither chose is good.
          I agree that the US has lost its way in putting its interests first.

          I also appreciate that you’re willing to be a punching bag. Takes balls.

          • EnthralledObserver

            🙂
            The seemingly automatic hate dished out by some for simply having an alternative perspective or opinion is eye-opening, I tell you. Thank you for the support… we don’t have to agree to appreciate one another.

            As for Trump being a liar. I haven’t seen the evidence of that, so all I can go by is my perception of whether he’ll genuinely attempt to achieve what he says he will. I very much hope and trust that he will. All I know for sure is that Hillary won’t… so it’s a gamble worth taking, as far as I can see.

            Cheers, coonellie.

            • Frodis73

              I also think it is great you are willing to speak your opinion, I am of the I may not agree with what you say, but stand for your right to say it. However, you have to be willing to deal with the heat if your opinion is not popular.
              Also, your statement that you have not seen evidence of Trump lying…um, seriously?? Just google Trump lies and you will see example after example after example. I am sorry, I get that you like him, but to be willfully blind to his many faults like that? C’mon, give me break.

            • Molly Meldrum

              I have no probs with the free speech either but she debases her self (& her message) with the ad homs.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I did what you said, I googled Trump lying… found a website that listed the so called lies. Here is the 2nd on the list.
              2. March 29: Trump lies that Wisconsin’s effective unemployment rate is 20%, saying, “”What? Is it 20 percent? Effective or regular? I mean just — effective unemployment rate, 20 percent. Hey, this is out of the big book.” According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, The U-3 official unemployment rate in Wisconsin was 4.6 percent in 2015; Wisconsin’s U-6 rate for 2015 was 8.3 percent.
              Trump is actually correct. The way the government calculates the unemployment rate is not really the unemployment rate. They go by the number of people currently on social benefits… not the actual number of people without employment. So his figure is probably closer to the mark – and that was what he was saying – the ‘effective’ rate is 20%.
              Obviously I don’t have the time to fact check all of them, I knew this one already without needing to check, but here I’m only the 2nd one in and it’s already debunked. Makes one wonder how many other of his supposed ‘lies’ are really lies at all.

              If these are considered examples of his lies that should forfeit his right to be President… shit, Hillary is one billion times more ineligible based on the caliber of her lies *cough emails cough*

            • Frodis73

              Out of all the outrageous lies this man has said, your example is pretty weak imo.
              These should keep you busy. I know we are not going to change each others mind about this, but to say to say you have not seen evidence that he is lying is being willfully blind. It also amazes me that you can not see how Hubbard like he is…the whole Trump University scam could have been run by Co$.
              http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jun/16/10-biggest-falsehoods-year-trump/
              http://www.konbini.com/us/lifestyle/list-of-donald-trump-outrageous-lies/
              http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien#
              http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh… and I should not be willing to accept abuse if I choose to air my opinions. I can handle discussion, I welcome it. Even heated discussion. But abuse of the kind I experienced at the start should never be tolerable. It seems to have ended for the most part now – so it’s a dead issue – but nobody should condone or accept abuse like that simply for speaking ones mind.
              That’s why I persisted, to show the narrow minded lefties who thought abuse was an acceptable way to get me to bend to their will, that they were wrong… they have no power over someone with strong convictions. The fact that they stopped despite my continuation means that actually I have the power – ironic, right?

            • Frodis73

              I bowed out on that thread (and do not remember which post it was on) so I can’t go back and read it. If you have the link, I will check it out. I remember some ppl did not think it was really you. I really can’t comment more unless I read the whole thread again, but people are passionate and do not like racist assholes like Trump. You have said some outrageous things about Muslims (all, not just radical ones, you do not see a difference). You do not know who is at the other end of the computer…you may be talking to a Muslim or somebody who is friends or family with Muslims.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I think, in all seriousness, that there are other possible explanations for the willingness than having balls.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh… do enlighten us?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m not saying you don’t have guts, don’t get me wrong. I wouldn’t be able to do what you’re doing.

              Which is why I (mostly) drop my political comments into either a safe environment (say to commenters I know lean towards my side) or I couch them in glib jokes to deflect a nasty response.

              Although that’s only here, I’m different IRL for whatever that’s worth.

              But anyway, I guess I was trying to say I don’t think ‘guts’ is your primary motivation in starting and then continuing these things.

              Just to be clear though, I absolutely don’t think you’re OSA.

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol – I’m definitely not OSA. It’s funny to be accused of it… the accuser’s OSA-radar needs calibrating.

              No… guts isn’t my primary motivator. It’s discussion. I’m very interested in bouncing this info I’ve come across off others – particularly those who don’t agree. You can’t find the truth if you don’t.
              I’m also very concerned that the truth is not being represented in the mainstream (<<got it right this time) media which is going to lead to very dire results if it turns out the US government has been lying to achieve their political ends, including falsely accusing other nations and their leaders of war crimes whilst committing egregious ones themselves.
              I've normally got a pretty good radar for intuitively knowing when something seems off (not always, but most of the time)… and the US version seems off to me.

            • Molly Meldrum

              Yep. Pressing buttons for entertainment. Embarrassingly transparent.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well now Molly, I didn’t say that.

              I didn’t say it.

          • gtsix

            I agree that the US has lost its way in putting its interests first.

            When has the USA ever not put its interests first?

            • Frodis73

              Lol, yes it is the interests of the people that they don’t give a shit about. They are all about corporate/money interests and military interests. That is about it.

            • gtsix

              That has always been so. The rich white men who created the govt made sure it was set up for rich white men.

            • Frodis73

              Yep, and they are fighting truth and nail to keep it that way.

        • Mockingbird

          The top living cult expert sees Trump as a cult guru. That is incredibly relevant to me.

          • EnthralledObserver

            You got some info or a vid to share with me?

            • Mockingbird

              I posted it.

            • Mockingbird
            • EnthralledObserver

              This was the original video I commented on. I am still laughing at it.
              The people aren’t ‘following’ Trump… they are agreeing with him.
              It’s not a difficult concept to grasp.

            • Mockingbird

              What is your opinion on the works of Robert Jay Lifton, Steven Hassan, Daniel Shaw or Margaret Singer, Eric Hoffer, Robert Cialdini, Janja Lalich, Rick Alan Ross, or Leon Festinger ?

            • EnthralledObserver

              My opinion on their work is that they should stick to evaluating actual cults and use their expertise for good rather than using it to influence political perception of the candidate they do not favour.

            • Mockingbird

              So if they see some political groups as actual cults that is within their expertise.

            • Mockingbird
            • Mockingbird
            • EnthralledObserver

              I read this article and noticed the author implied that narcissists are: The racist, homophobic, deeply deceptive and terrifyingly inflammatory rhetoric these people employ is an assault on rational, ethical people in this country and around the world, and it is happening right now, every day.
              So only right-leaning people can be narcissists?
              Leftys are righteous, so can’t be narcissists?
              What a load of shit.
              It’s an opinion piece with an agenda to smear Trump without naming him.
              You are stooping pretty low to find this garbage.

            • Mockingbird

              He didn’t say that. You are addressing a strawman argument as a red herring.

            • EnthralledObserver

              It’s pretty clear when what I did was cut and paste.
              “The racist, homophobic, deeply deceptive and terrifyingly inflammatory rhetoric these people employ is an assault on rational, ethical people in this country and around the world, and it is happening right now, every day.”
              Word for word.
              The ‘rational, ethical people in this country and around the world’ are NOT the people who employ ‘the racist, homophobic, deeply deceptive and terrifyingly inflammatory rhetoric’ – and who do you accuse of that?
              The conservatives.
              You are transparent in your deceptiveness.

            • Mockingbird

              You can try to copy something, then interpret it. That’s making a false equivalence. That’s the strawman argument you are using.

              You can call me names too but it doesn’t change anything.

            • Mockingbird

              You are using name calling and tu quoque. Your call.

            • Mockingbird

              Steven Hassan is a cult expert and has academic credentials and accomplishments. I have found plenty of doctors, academics and psychologists and psychiatrists that agree on Trump’s narcissism.

              You can use insults to attack the attacker, but it doesn’t change the very real behavior they are observing.

            • Frodis73

              He is not saying that, he is talking about a specific. Of course a “lefty” can be a narcissist. Anybody can.

            • Molly Meldrum

              We had dear prime minister Kevin Rudd.

        • Mymy88

          He supports torture, that’s all I need to know. I’m out. He sucks.

          • EnthralledObserver

            If your daughter is kidnapped and they caught the guy but he wouldn’t tell you where she was… would you change your mind about torture to get the info then?
            I would. Fuck the cunt.

            • Mymy88

              Of course I would change my mind.

              Hypothetically if you lived in a country that did sanction torture and the government of that country had convicted your daughter of a crime she did not commit and then sentenced her to be tortured for info she did not have, because the government, for whatever reason, believed she did have it, would you change you mind?

              We can’t have it both ways.

            • EnthralledObserver

              You misunderstand the terms in which a government would wish to use torture.
              You’ve proven your hypocrisy in that you would be agreeable to use torture if the circumstances met your standard or circumstances.
              Trump merely stated that he would not rule torture out as a method to retrieve information if necessary and it met certain standards or circumstances.
              You agree with Trump… but would rather ride your high moral horse and pretend that your morality would be superior to his.
              He’s never stated he intends to use torture brazenly or carelessly.
              He simply did not rule out that at some point it could be necessary and he would be willing to implement it. Same as you.

            • Mymy88

              What if they caught the wrong guy and on top of that there was another mistake and the guy was actually your adult son they picked up, but somehow the info that he was your son fell through the cracks and did not find its way back to you. So he ends up getting tortured for nothing and you still don’t have your daughter back.

              What I’m saying is once torture is sanctioned even if under the most dire of circumstances, if the person that gets tortured turns out to be innocent, is his torturer going to be able to look in the mirror and ever feel human again?

            • Frodis73

              I would not. Study after study has shown that torture does NOT work. Most of the time the info is wrong and completely made up. Somebody can torture me and I will make shit up and admit to anything (I killed JFK, did 911,etc.) they want just to end the torture. It is just dumb, not to mention cruel.

            • EnthralledObserver

              It’s meant to be cruel… so that’s not an argument against it.
              If it never worked they would never have done it. It may not always work, but official studies aside, I bet it works sometimes. In certain circumstances it might be the right method. i wouldn’t recommend blanket torture of every spy or anything… but the method of information extraction would have it’s place. If only limited.
              Heck… probably just the threat of torture would be enough for the most part.
              And a note worth mentioning – If wanting the torture to stop was the motivation for just giving up any old information, then the threat of continuing the torture unless the information given was confirmed would certainly be motivation enough for good info too, right?

        • Mockingbird

          You’re framing a concept that is not relevant to my original claim. Robert Jay Lifton is one of the top academics ever on thought reform and cultic groups. He wrote the book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism among many other accomplishments.

          He has studied cults and totalitarianism for many decades. If Trump is a genuine malignant narcissist with a cult like hard core following that is relevant. If he has behavior that is similar to cult leaders that is relevant.

          Your statement that nobody cares is obviously false since several people care if a malignant narcissist becomes president. The limited and heavily edited rhetoric from Trump isn’t the full picture from a social psychology perspective. That’s relevant.

          • EnthralledObserver

            YOU are not listening.
            The ideas are what people agree with.
            It makes no matter if it is Trump championing them, or somebody else.
            The voters will vote for the person championing the ideas that they agree with.
            Trump’s personality plays no part in it. Nobody is following Trump because he is Trump. It’s irrelevant if some upstart lefty psychologist/cult expert wants to paint his personality as nefarious. It makes no difference. Nobody is loyal to Trump. They are loyal to their own ideas of how the country should run. Trump just happens to have the same ideas.

            • Mockingbird

              I am listening and disagree. It’s simple.

              You are throwing away entire subjects in psychology, social psychology and neuroscience. And rhetoric, Socratic debate and critical thinking.

              You have a hypothesis. You just repeat it as fact. It’s your own belief. There’s evidence human behavior is more complex than your statement.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Dude – I support Trump’s ideas. I therefore support Trump. As a supporter it’s ME you are talking about. I know my reasons. I’ve talked to and communicated with and heard thousands more state the same as me.
              We know better than your bullshit ‘experts’ why we do something.
              Get it?

            • Mockingbird

              You are using the “I know my own mind” claim. Scientologists make it every day.

              And you are using a false equivalent. Lifton and I both see some hard core Trump followers as having a cultic quality. That’s not all but you are not recognizing that.

            • Mockingbird

              You are long on claims but short on evidence. And using name calling is still the genetic fallacy.

            • Frodis73

              And his ideas are deplorable…and racist. Read the above link.

        • Mockingbird

          A detailed critical analysis of an individual isn’t character assassination. They utilize different methods.

          Actual academics and historians have weighed in with their expertise. Just using the genetic fallacy to stop thought is the equivalent of using a thought stopping cliche.

          Criticism from anyone can be valid. The fact that a critic isn’t perfect or can be called a leftist or some other name is irrelevant.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Your ignorance of why people are supporting and voting for Trump is showing. You cannot possibly fathom that most people are naturally patriotic.
            Trump didn’t convince anybody of anything.
            He said things that most people already agreed with.
            That’s why he’s popular.
            Not some stupid cult leader, thought reform garbage. It’s ludicrous. And it makes you and these two in the video look stupid.

            • Mockingbird

              Insulting my intelligence is irrelevant. It’s the ad hominem fallacy.

              If you think Steven Hassan and Robert Jay Lifton are stupid I wonder what your expertise in undue influence is ? Have you helped hundreds of people leave cults ? Perhaps done studies and had your papers published ?

              Please inform me of your accomplishments. Perhaps you know better than all earlier experts.

              Calling something ludicrous is using the personal incredulity fallacy. You are capable of insulting people and using fallacies but not constructing informative arguments. Perhaps Socratic debate isn’t your strong area. It’s not for everyone.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Bullshit.
              You are full of agenda – and so are they.
              Supporting a political stance is not at all comparable to a cult.
              That is ridiculous.
              I said you ‘look stupid’. You and I both know your psychobabble is merely the excuse you give to legitimise your desire to put Trump supporters into the ‘brainwashed’ basket. Hillary preferred the ‘deplorable’ basket. Either way, your agenda is to discredit your opposition.
              It won’t work.
              Because we aren’t stupid.

            • Mockingbird

              You are using the genetic fallacy. Unless you stop using that you can avoid any claims you don’t like by making unproven counterclaims about the source of the claims you dispute.

            • Frodis73

              If you have the time, read this. It is very good.

              White riot:

              How racism and immigration gave us Trump, Brexit, and a whole new kind of politics
              http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/12933072/far-right-white-riot-trump-brexit

            • EnthralledObserver

              I’ve read some of it… I’ll go back and finish, but I’ve got a good gauge of where it’s going and the tone from what I’ve read so far.
              If you think there is any merit to the argument written here then you don’t understand the concerns at all of the people who vote for the ideas behind these right leaning parties and politics.
              It’s a convenient argument to call it ‘racism’, it suits the purpose to demonise those who support these parties … but it’s simply not true. It’s all about the danger of Islam and the bulk of the current governments of the western world implementing political decisions that benefit foreigners above their own citizens and seemingly working in lock-step with a one world government agenda, protecting and preserving our national cultures and feeling pride in what our ancestors have achieved.
              It’s conceited to think an obvious left-leaning journalist thinks he knows what motivates the right-leaning people more than they do themselves. We’ve told you this is WRONG – INCORRECT – FALSE… but you seem to persist with your unfounded accusations.
              It’s wrong – that’s NOT what motivates us.
              Look deeper. I can provide you some vids and articles that describe what we think if you are interested in pursuing the truth…. but you’ll have to give up the notion that you think you know what’s going on better than we, who believe and support these movements, do. It’s not a guessing game – you don’t need to employ all manner of ‘experts’ to try to work it out… you just have to accept that what I tell you is, in fact, what we believe and why we believe it.

  • Gib

    One will never know, any one of these celebrity’s can turn on a dime, or maybe in a year or so with the right piece of information that goes click, and I thanks many ex’s speaking their mind. I was once a true true believer, and that Debbie Cook email got me to pause and examine, and I did, and now I’m on the other side of the fence.

    What kept me in & also got me in was confirmation bias, or hubbard’s version being Success Stories, why the same confirmation bias or Success Stories of peeps leaving works the same in the opposite direction. Some creative artist out there can do a nice satirical video of Success Stores of leaving scientology.

    Marty’s early, beginning blog, has a boatload of scientologists telling their stories on leaving. What a history and shows the confirmation bias of leaving the current DM lead COS.

    • Ella Raitch

      Good to see you at the Bunker Gib

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Great idea Gib–a video of success stories of those who’ve left $cientology!

      • Kestrel

        Let’s start with Debbie Cook.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Pfft. Kpweew…it’s like, whoa, I’m tellin’ you, the wins in getting out were like, WOW…fump, fump, powww! I’m at a loss for words here, it’s better than, umm, better than anything ever!

        • Gib

          I agree, it should not include hyperbole, as that would be what the Hubbard did. It should be actual, like no having to to worry about 2 pm thurs stats.

          like not having to think about clearing the planet anymore

          like discovering there are no clears or ot’s

        • PerpetualOutflow

          It’s like, whoa, for the first time in years I feel truly FREE. No one is listening to my phone calls or reading my emails. I can read what I want read, watch what I want to watch and associate with whomever I want to associate. I am at cause over what I want to happen in my life, what I want to spend money on, and what I want to do with my time. Such a GREAT feeling.

    • chukicita

      Nobody has to write a success story in wogland. You can if you want, though.

      • Gib

        exactly. If one sells on Ebay or other sites that use feedback likes/dislikes and gets positive feedback, it’s not a requirement or else. Same with yelp, or friends IRL. Same with ESMB and the Tony O’s blog here. Mike Rinder blog, Martys blog, Alanzo’s blog, Geir Isene blog do not use the system of likes or dislikes.

        Hubbards COS demands positive feedback or else.

  • Jo

    Would love Juliette Lewis to leave, always liked her movies. Hoping John Travolta leaves too. Hoping they all leave, maybe not krustie, she can stay.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      She and Masterson can be road dawgs for life, as far as I’m concerned.

      ETA: By “she” I meant Kirstie, not Juliette. I like Juliette. Sorry, I was distracted by the debate and a bottle of sake.

    • Gib

      me too. I saw her at flag when I was a outer org trainee, back in 1990 or so. I got to eat in the Lemon Tree, and I became friends there with a bunch of peeps from all walks of life at the mecca. One was a doctor of some sort, chiro or dentist, one was the husband of DC Org ED,. We all sat at the same dinner table, we were all so gung ho and had lively conversations, it was quite fun to have dinner with these folks, about 6 or 8 of us, every night having a dinner.

      Juliette sat behind our table for several meals. I always made eye contact with her, as I recognized she was a celebrity but I couldn’t my finger on her movies. I always looked at her during our lively conversations. I always wanted to just join her, and just talk. Behind her were a few SO people keeping an eye on her. But, anyways, she looked so sad while we were having at our table a lively conversation.

  • Shanester

    OMG so glad you’re talking about the debate. I had only one take-away: Does Donald Trump ever shut up? He does seem to love the sound of his own voice. The first horror of him as president would be having to listen to him bitch and preen ALL THE TIME!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I think that if we’re going to hold him true to his own ideals, we should not elect him on the basis that English is obviously a second language for him.

      • Frodis73

        *snickersnort*

      • coonellie

        I know. Baby C asked if he was educated past grade school.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Did you respond, “Not very well?”

          • coonellie

            Actually, I think I snorted.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Also appropriate.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    OK, who survived the debate? I did, but not sober!

    • Jimmy3

      My hurts

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Mine, too.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I’m here, but I’m not allowed to talk about it because I scold people who do and I am obviously a lefty.

      • Jimmy3

        Douglas D. Douglas wants to take away all your guns and use them to decorate transgender bathrooms, but he won’t elaborate on that because no politics in the bunker.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Yep. All those years a Republican and since I am not enthralled with the Donald I am declared a lefty by another Bunkeroo. So much for the hive mind aspect of our cozy little cult…!

          • Jimmy3

            Good to have you, buddy

          • LongtimeLurker

            When you’re an actual socialist (not the weird US definition of one) it’s really enraging to see anti-left slurs being hurled at people not actually from the left.

            I want those insults thrown at me, dammit!

    • Frodis73

      I should have been drinking through that.

  • Username

    Read the debate on NPR with the fact checkers making many corrections. Mostly of Trump. It was really hard to follow what Trump was saying. He really is all over the place.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    This debate needs more sniffle.
    (And a lot more truth from the Orange Cheeto
    and less manterruptions)
    Cowbell? Just about right level (sniffle)

    I want to see David Miscavige’s birth certificate.
    I’ll bet he was born in Kenya. (sniffle)
    Or Target 2.
    He probably worships rabbits.(sniffle)
    Alien rabbits.
    But I’ll make Teeeegeeeeack grate again.
    Or something (sniffle)

    Tax returns?
    We’re a religion, we don’t pay no stinkin’ taxes.
    And I’ve never been to Texas.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6146d18705a15368324bf733fc7af39b0eea5ef574991883d2318513dafef5c2.jpg

    • Frodis73

      manterruptions!

      Oh Pan, how I love you! Just like mansplaining! I needed that before heading to bed.

    • coonellie

      Baby C rushed home from school to watch. I could hear her laughing so hard she was in tears. I told her it was a good thing she wasn’t in the audience. Her response, Why? Kids, you gotta love ’em.

      I thought you meant tonight’s debate. Duh. No wonder she thinks I’m daft.

  • April Moonlight

    Michelle Stafford, Stacy Francis, Judy Norton Taylor.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    We’ve seen the leading edge of Celebrity defections. Almost all of them had personal and dramatic experiences with the injustice that Scientology visits upon it’s members when they don’t toe the arbitrary lines of fickle Scientology policy.

    But I think the next wave might be significant. And not gradual.

    Celebrities live and die by their popularity. Popularity directly affects their income potential and opportunities.

    Of course a few sociopaths in the ranks, are going to stick with it until long after popularity and income have evaporated.

    But once they don’t get hired, don’t get roles, lose wog friends and see the looming sunset of a career, they may exit rapidly.

    True, some are so committed, or have committed so many overt acts in service of Scientology, that they cannot bear to leave out of fear, or sunk cost bias that they stay the bitter end.

    But for the others, the increase in popularity and income opportunities evident in the arc of departed Celebrity Scientologists (now ex-scientologists) will speak loudly to them.

  • Commodore H. McCringleberry

    It’s pretty funny to me, as a never-in, to view the miasma of swirling innuendo ™ that’s cropped up lately, with a certain group of people trying to draw contrived lines in the sand with the so called ASC. The fact that this false division has been made and there are a bunch of strange folks coalescing around a “third option” discounts the fact that a lot of us, mainly a big chunk of the readership here, are never-ins without a real dog in the fight. Most of us, at some point or another, wandered over for a variety of reasons to stare at the dumpster fire/trainwreck. We don’t hold allegiances beyond the friendships that developed here, the subject matter being entertaining, and most of us having a high opinion of Tony’s journalistic skills. I suspect that the group I just described makes up a larger percentage than the South Texas Shit Stirrer would like. We make poor followers.

    That said, its fun to throw an old couch or mattress on the dumpster fire from time to time. Can we start calling that group. . . over there. . . the new third way, led by the Gautama of the Gulf himself, the self proclaimed demiurge or logos or whatever the Pro-Scientology Cabal (PSC) or Pro-Scientology Institution (PSI) or something? It’ll drive them nuts. . .

    • What’sup

      I’m just here for the lulz.

      • Absolutely.

        • What’sup

          Tony’s okay…….I guess.

        • What’sup

          I love your disqus bio…. So good.

          • It’s the damn truth. Sci watching is the richest joke-mining vein on the web.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I’m just here for the nekkid men. But It might be a long wait…

    • “a lot of us, mainly a big chunk of the readership here, are never-ins without a real dog in the fight. Most of us, at some point or another, wandered over for a variety of reasons to stare at the dumpster fire/trainwreck. We don’t hold allegiances beyond the friendships that developed here, the subject matter being entertaining, and most of us having a high opinion of Tony’s journalistic skills”
      Seconded.
      http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4601513/dumpster-fire-o.gif

      • Juicer77

        And we want to see the abuses end and families reunited. In any group or religion, not just $ci.

      • richelieu jr

        Were that bin full of every indie in the world O would climb a tower to piss on them from a great height, then pinch it off mid-stream to ask them why they ha ‘pulled in’ such a situation…

    • I’ve been struggling to find the words to describe this exact feeling without offending anyone. In so many ways — I couldn’t care less — is that bad?

      • What’sup

        Sometimes I find myself caring, not so much about the clams, but the fuckery that is here now and again. I snap out of it and remind myself it’s just the internet.

        • I just cling to my friends and my upvotes XD

        • Juicer77

          Just say to your self… it’s just a show… you should really just relax!

      • stanrogers

        Schadensnordt, you mean?

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        Nope. I don’t really care either, I’d just be interested to hear what they’d insist on being called once they get a label they didn’t invent. I guarantee the “proper” term would be at least five words long, two of which would be made up, or used out of context.

    • I do get a good bit of satisfaction from shooping and giffing Scientology. Especially the ones that would piss COB off. I have a nice little collection going by this point: https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I like the slam book revenge ideas page the best. 🙂

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        You do good work.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Why bother? It will make them think they are important and that someone gives a shit about them.
      I cant even work up a semi-hardon about the whole issue anymore.
      People acting like total fucking idiots isn’t exactly a rare occurrence on the ‘net, and I’m sure those involved will try and drag the matter out as long as even a skerrick of attention is paid to their antics.

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        Why bother? Because it’s just fun to needle folks that get WAAAAAYYYY too invested, then like to think that this issue ranks on the same all-encompassing importance level for everyone who might post a comment here or there or anywhere else that this subject gets mentioned. It’s like they’re walking around passing marching orders and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone or a few people are keeping lists. . .
        Would I like to know the solution to the great mystery of what’s going on behind the scenes with all of the strange happenings, inexplicable actions, and myriad accusations being thrown around lately? Sure. Do I lose any sleep over it? Not a wink. Will my life be incomplete if I die never knowing who was really up to what? Not even remotely. However, considering the level of seriousness and that we’re all being shoved into group now whether we signed up for that or not, sometimes its just fun to pull the pin and see what happens. Knowing that somewhere out there, someone is racking their brain or getting super defensive or whatever is funny. Like the anons say, just for the Lulz.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Stirring the pot can be amusing, I know. 🙂

        • DoveAlexa

          Winding up people who are at the same time extremely paranoid and completely ineffectual is super fun. 😀

    • Juicer77

      Michael Leonard Tilse made a perceptive comment the other day. I will try to find the link. But it was a DeadLRon policy about how if you join a group, you are 100% with them or 100% against them, and your actions should reflect this. Personally I don’t believe the theories that certain parties are paid and/or blackmailed to work on behalf of the Co$. Another explanation could be that certain parties are falling back on teachings drilled into them since young adulthood. If satisfaction (however they define it) is not being obtained from one party or the other at any particular time, their actions may swing faster than a needle on an e-meter. Just my two cents.

      • Good point. You can take the man out of Scientology, but sometimes you can never take the Scientology out of the man.

        Meanwhile, the First Independent Church of Scientology goes nowhere http://religiouslibertyleague.org/the-first-independent-church-of-scientology/ I wonder how that failure has influenced the recent desperate publicity-seeking.

        • Juicer77

          A post about the current state of the Independent Church in the US would be terrific. I know we’ve had coverage on the activities in Israel.
          Who is supporting the US movement, how they are trying to get established, what/if any success they have had, what membership numbers look like now. If there is any way to measure these things and/or get people to discuss it.

          • I think the org in Israel is unique because it was run by charismatic people who managed not only to leave, but to take the majority of their membership with them.

            Until they start recruiting from the general public, however, they are more of a curiosity than a movement.

            My take (discussed elsewhere) is that ‘Independent Scientology’ mostly consists of a surprisingly small number of self-indulgent people who are going through the motions (and sometimes posting online) to shore up their self-esteem, but are not prepared to take any action to promote a ‘true church’.

            Admittedly, this opinion is based on YouTube videos of Independent conventions, which are sparsely attended, and the fact that Indies are geographically distributed, making it difficult to achieve the critical mass of people that is required for a functioning org.

            Also, these people have just left a repressive organisation which constantly demanded money. Now they are out, they have the power to interpret their beliefs in their own way, and are likely to ignore anyone telling them what to think, or asking for money to create an organisation which promises to be different but looks a lot like the same old same old.

            In the link above, the cherry-picking of Hubbards writings to support the ICofS promisel that they will end disconnection because it wasn’t what their guru intended is tragically unconvincing.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I know I could probably find out myself, but if you’ve got the time, with “sparsely attended” are we talking dozens, or…

            • Pretty much. Hoydycon probably did better. It also seems to have been more focussed.

              The CofS infrastructure was created during a boom time. Now, when Scientology’s reputation is at an all-time low, a small group of people are trying to do this again, from scratch, watched only by a small number of (uncharacteristically critical) ex-Scientologist keyboard warriors.

              If they went to some kind of ‘remote auditing’ scam, they might attract some interest, but they’re too fixated on ‘the tech’ to change anything significant.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Concise, informative. Lurker appreciative.

            • Fast forward to the 8 minute mark, and you will understand the motives of the people who attend these conferences – this chap is telling everyone that by charging only $10 an hour for auditing, they are cutting each other throats – it ought to be at least $100 per hour – and he elaborately justifies this…

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owiuYu1N1Ss

            • Juicer77

              So the real motivation for this group is the cash… not helping others. Sounds like “real” $cientology to me.

            • Luckily, their customer bases seems to consist entirely of refugees from the ‘official’ CofS – with a lively turnover as many move on to the final stages of their disillusionment. .

              If you wanted to research the Independent sector, you could do worse than contacting all of the Independent auditors in an area, and finding out how many customers they maintained.

            • Frodis73

              Ha, I love it. I have an idea…how about doing it for free? I bet they would look at me in horror.

            • Juicer77

              Blasphemy!! 😉

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thanks O_B, much appreciated.

            • Juicer77

              This agrees with what Tony said yesterday. The Indie step is just a step on the way out…

            • Most of these people will gradually lose the mindset after they have removed themselves from the subculture.

              Self-identified Independent Scientologists are consequently a tiny group of people who can’t quite abandon belief (yet) because this would damage their self-esteem too much. Some may live in this intermediate state for the rest of their lives.

              However, they are predominantly just going through the motions, trying to sound wise in online discussions with the like-minded but doing nothing.

              The people involved in schemes like the ICofS have half an eye on making a living out of the only thing they know, I’m sure. Their business model is deeply flawed, however. Not enough people are going to put their hand in their pocket.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Good to see you Commodore. I agree with everything you just said, but lets leave the poor Gulf of Mexico out of it. She’s had a pretty rough decade. 😀

      • PickAnotherID

        ‘Deepwater Horizon’, on top of everything else, didn’t help.

    • PickAnotherID

      Agreed. I’m also a ‘never in’ that got into this over free speech issues, after being hit with a ‘Kobragram’ back when. Except as their beliefs generate illegal and/or immoral actions agains other, I don’t care what $cientologists, hard core or Indies, believe.

    • gtsix

      Nah. The stated point was to troll. So lol at the trolling and let it be.

      There is of course, more to it than that, but I, personally, focus on Scientology, not any particular person. People come, people go.

    • richelieu jr

      Well, they dud sye le TWiCE, which kinda got my attention, but..

      You know the STSS (your “South Texas Shit Stirrer”) has a word ofr all of us, exes and interested alike, but mostly those of us you describe: “GROUPIES”..

      Because a Warrior like himself would have them, ammirite?

      I think the lack of reality epitomized by that statement has a lot to do wit his disappointment with Louis T’s film, Going Clear, Tony O, et al–

      Why can’t we get it though our thick heads what a badass he is?

      Much as Miscavige is convinced that he ‘won an Emmy’ Because the interview Nightline did with him won one (the first Emmy for proving ‘Piles of noxious deluded shit come in all sizes, heights, and faiths, but one religious pulps it out like Soft Serve Scary Queen”); STSS really sees to think he deserves continued, paid, career celebrity because he was once a thug for the diminutive dictator of a fake religion that ries to impoverish all members before promising to take over the world and kill all non-believers. He doesn’t seem to realize he already got of really easy for his complicity in covering up murder, human trafficking and his abuse of women and children.

      He got by by stringing everyone along with dark hints of dirt on CoB, then fond the well dry (or testicles too whiffle-ball-lite) then by ‘seeing the light’, but found those outside the Scilon Base Star (ot ‘Scilon Freedom Star (swear allegiency to MR and LRH HERE_______) were insufficiently respectful, and now gets by hinting at making Tony’s ‘Kult’ ‘rue the day!’ by revealing the proof of our devious.. whatever…

      He really thinks he deserves better. Probably most of think we do as well.

      But not only was I never duped by a ,paranoid fascist cult that had me beat, blackmail, threaten, follow, cover up for murder, etc.. but I do believe that has I done so, I would have the fucking sense not to brag about it and then pout when I didn’t get enough scooby snacks.

  • Juicer77

    Oh, boy. Google just turned 18. It’s about to get R rated on the internetz! LOL

      • Juicer77

        Great minds and all that… 😉

      • Juicer77

        Well… except when they screw over the Bunker…

        • Ha ha… their motto is “Do no evil” and they are in the pocket of the COS who want to save the world… follow the money and everything will be fine.

        • LongtimeLurker

          And don’t forget their just general support of Scientology.

          I know how paranoid this sounds, but go check how long it takes Google to suggest auto completions for Scientology compared to almost any non porn related word.

          • you have examples of that?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Do you mean something other than my unsubstantiated, anecdotal claim I just wrote? ; )

              Like a screen recording followed by an analysis of elapsed time and a comparison to a wide selection of other words?

              I should get on that.

              I thought about doing it, and combining it with their unexplained withdrawal of advertising from The Bunker and then starting an e-petition “Google, we demand you explain your covert support of Scientology over other religions.”

              …I *thought* about it…

              eta – just to be clear, I doubt that the Google execs are Scientologists or that there’s been a massive bribe or anything. It’s much more likely that it’s because of Scientology’s advertising spend, or simply that someone at Google has a friend.

            • lol… Spending money on Goggle ads could be a parameter in their search algorithm which is kept as a secret… so yeah 🙂

          • Princess Squishy

            Google learns from you though, right?. Not defending them because I haven’t tried it or witnessed it, but if you read about scientology all the time won’t Google be faster to auto-complete a word to Scientology than to something that you don’t use? To really test it you would have to start fresh, from a browser where nobody is logged in to google and nobody has been using google to search for anything. Then see how fast it completes Scientology compared to something else. Best to start from a brand new computer with no accounts logged into… Technology is too smart these days.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You make a good point.

              But that’s what I’m saying, I read about it all the time and it takes ages to offer an autocomplete, like I’ve already typed out “Scientol” before it even starts to suggest anything…and there’s nothing else that could be, right?

              Or have I misunderstood what you’re saying? Sorry if so.

              And the other thing it does (i suspect, need to confirm) is offer far fewer suggestions once you’ve finished the word Scientology.

              I think.

              It’s been a while since i first thought I noticed it and I haven’t thought about it again until just now.

            • Princess Squishy

              I thought you were saying that Scientology was getting autocompleted more often/faster than other words, as proof that Google supports Scientology, or at least supports it more than other things. Or did you mean that their unwillingness to autcomplete to Scientology is helping Scientology by less hits on Anti-Scientology websites?

            • LongtimeLurker

              The second one. Sorry, my original statement did not make that clear at all.

              Yeah, the vast majority of Scientology stuff online is negative and combine that with the fact they think the best way to get converts is face to face.

              But obviously I need to actually work out some solid stats before I go trying to convince people. And also, I could just be completely wrong.

            • Princess Squishy

              well then you make a good point. I just tried it and it made me go all the way to Sciento. Then in a new search I typed Da and it pulled up dancing with the stars, (which I watch often and on Sunday text invited my friend over to watch Monday).
              The more searches I type the less Smart I think Google is though.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah. It could just be some unrelated tech thingy. More study is needed.

              I don’t want to get too paranoid.

            • richelieu jr

              OTOH, I am happy to say my spell-check still doesn’t know what Scientology is… Possibly connected?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay, well my iPad spellcheck while using Safari doesn’t know it either, and I type it dozens of times a week.

              I didn’t mention it because I didn’t want to sound completely crazy.

              Wth? Is something going on?

  • LongtimeLurker

    Need help please.

    Can anyone point me to that short selfie-video of Nancy Cartwright out in public in her homemade ‘Bartman’ costume?

    Apparently I didn’t download it and my google fu is failing.

    iirc it was shared in the comments of one of Tony’s posts about Cartwright’s misuse of The Simpsons to promote Scientology.

    Thx.

    • Anion

      For a second I thought she’d gone out in a homemade Batman costume, and was like, Uh, I’m pretty sure Bruce Wayne would not be into that at all.

      • LongtimeLurker

        That *might* have been slightly less awful than what she was wearing. Possibly.

    • was it the answering machine incident?

      • LongtimeLurker

        R u Sirius? Don’t tell me she was selling answering machine messages as Bart to other Scientologists or something.

        • Thats where it all started and her company (FOX i think) shut her down
          ETA: Noooo She was not selling…. She was promoting (selling) scientology events

      • LongtimeLurker

        Shit. She’s an idiot. You just don’t need to piss off Fox and Groening. She’s out of control.

        I hadn’t heard that. Thank you.

        The thing I was talking about was her going to some massive (for them) Sci event in Mexico City, I think. And she took along a bunch of Simpsons stuff to draw attention to her message.

        • I remember Mexico and Tony wrote about it. Bart must be her last BT to be Audited out of her as she doesn’t seem to get any smarter!

      • What’sup
    • 9001
      • LongtimeLurker

        I’d misremembered a lot of that. But yes, thanks!

        You’re awesome.

  • Anion

    “When I have huge wins in session, and when you really cognite that you are a thetan and you have a mind and body, and that the MEST universe does not control you — it puts things into perspective.”

    Wow, Laura, that is SO TRUE! I’m going to embroider that on a sampler and hang it up in my living room!

    /sarc

    • FredEX2

      LOL

  • LongtimeLurker

    * *ORDERS * * ORDERS * * ORDERS * *
    All ASC soldier-cultists in good standing
    will report immediately to the new article –
    “Horrifying autism ‘cure’ exposed by BBC…”

    Issued ASC Central Command: Ortega
    Division.

    * *ORDERS * * ORDERS * * ORDERS * *

  • richelieu jr

    I have mentioned this before (and it squares totally witht he account given ehre by Tony and his ‘informant’:
    I have known Beck pretty well for 24 years (and saw him very often intimate circumstances for nearly a decade of that (I no longer live in LA, and am too old to try and hang with the groupies to spend with him when I don’t know he is coming ahead of time..), and in all that time I never aad any idea he was a Scientologist.
    I knew his brother was well, who into all kind of kooky religious stuff, so it wouldn’t have stood out, really…

    I’ve met Juliette L a few times, but she was so much younger, I didn’t pay much attention…

  • GhostOfFloBarnette

    Was Tom attacked by a swarm of bees? What happened to his face????

    • Frodis73

      Lol, one can hope!

  • sashiebgood

    I wish Jason Dohring would get out – I have an irrational love of the V Mars/Logan ship.

  • Jgg2012

    When was the last time a celebrity JOINED Scientology?

  • Justin Castillo

    What about Lana Parrilla? #OnceUponATime

  • Canadian

    It seems to me, much like tabloids, everyone has their season in this cult. Until such a time as you are no longer useful to the money machine and then they will turn on each and every one of these “stars”. As for the stars themselves, well people give too much credit to these people, who are mostly uneducated and yes brainwashed. What does a brainwashed person look like anyway, are they supposed to have it tattooed across their foreheads? Most of these people haven’t done anything relevant in a long time, I believe that after their son died that changed the Travolta’s and possibly made them look at what they had been told but due to possible blackmail they cannot exit this garbage. As for Kirstie, she is a delusional nut bar who could find out that she is completely wrong about her “church” and the abuses but she chooses to stay ignorant because she is ignorant! When are the masses going to stop giving these “stars” so much credit? As people they are no better and certainly not smarter than your average bear!!!

  • Aislyn Holdsworth

    Is Michelle Stafford a Scientologist from The Young and the Restless and General Hospital? I’ve heard rumors and was wondering if she is and how long she has been?