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You tell us: What’s the current condition of the Church of Scientology?

 
For this Saturday morning, we’re going to take things easy and let you do the work.

We’d like to get your thoughts on a question that’s come up a few times lately. It’s a question that comes up on occasion, and perhaps it’s getting talked about more now because of David Miscavige’s apocalyptic recent moves in Clearwater.

That question we’re talking about: Is the Church of Scientology imploding or isn’t it?

We were very interested to see how this question was handled at Mike Rinder’s blog a week ago. Rinder had printed another essay from “Terra Cognita” in which the writer made the point that the church was here to stay, whatever critics think of it. Terra was skeptical that the church would ever be dismantled, even if Miscavige were out of the picture.

“Scientology has banked so much cash and amassed so much real estate that taking apart the organization would be a Herculean task, if not impossible. Undoing Scientology would be akin to dismantling General Motors or the Catholic Church. The court battles alone could take decades.”

But Rinder disagreed, and added an interesting counterpoint to the end of the piece.

The IRS can administratively change their determination that Scientology does not satisfy its criteria for religious organization exemption. To do so would make the future revenue stream dry up, but it would also change the perception of courts that Scientology must be afforded 1st Amendment protection to hide their immoral and fraudulent practices

The church lives in the US, the most litigious society on earth. It has a lot of money. There are a lot of lawyers. Should the IRS change their view, it would become a feeding frenzy to tear flesh off that beast. Even if the IRS doesn’t change their view, there are still a lot of lawyers and $3 billion reasons why they would be interested. It will happen sooner or later. As the PR climate changes, it becomes a more and more attractive target. Once that dam bursts, the end will surely be nigh.

We tend to be sympathetic to that view, that the church’s fortunes are getting rather precarious. But over at Facebook, the feisty Anon who calls herself Heidi Macavoy, citing David Miscavige’s offer of $15 million for a $4.5 million parcel of land, harshly criticized the idea that the church was on the ropes, and said it was foolish to say so.

She certainly has a point. Time and again, the Church of Scientology has survived what would have proved catastrophic for another group. Eleven of its top executives went to prison after a 1977 FBI raid turned up voluminous evidence of Scientology’s subterfuge and spying, but the church survived it. In our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, we pointed out that Paulette Cooper, in a newsletter she was mailing around in the late 1970s, felt sure that the church was about to collapse.

It’s good to keep that in mind.

When it comes down to it, we really don’t know what’s going to happen — and that’s part of what keeps us reporting, day after day.

So tell us, how do you see things going? Is the church imploding? Or does it have the cash to weather any storm, even if it continues to lose membership?

 
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Bijou Phillips finds a match close to home

Yesterday, at his Instagram account Scientologist and That 70’s Show actor Danny Masterson shared a photo of his wife Bijou Phillips with the man who provided her a new kidney.

 

 
That man is Chris Wadhams, who turned out to be perfect match for the transplant, and he was already a close family friend. Wadhams and Masterson are in a band together with Scientologist actor Michael Peña that calls itself “Grandpa Vs Prowler.”

 

 
And sure, a kidney is just MEST (that’s Scientology talk for matter, energy, space, and time, all of which is less important than mind and spirit), but it can’t hurt that Wadhams, like Masterson and Phillips, is a Scientologist himself.

We sincerely hope that Phillips enjoys a speedy recovery.

 
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Send Cathy Schenkelberg to Edinbergh

There’s still time to help send Cathy Schenkelberg to Edinburgh for the Fringe Festival. We have a feeling that performing her one-woman show “Squeeze My Cans” there might launch it into a higher orbit. Visit her “Hatch Fund” site to learn how you can help.

 

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Graduation night in Mexico City! This place will be cleared in no time!

 

 
Ahoy, matey! On board the Freewinds with the Commodore.

 

 
Emily Jones, daughter to Phil and Willie Jones of “Call Me” billboard fame, poses with her husband John Goodwin. The Galaxy Press pair enjoy the stage setup for this past weekend’s Writers of the Future ceremony. That backdrop is a great reminder of how much money Scientology spends on this contest and its award ceremony.

 

 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,714 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,817 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,311 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,351 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,063 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 589 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,678 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,818 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,138 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,113 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 469 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,771 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 878 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,280 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,153 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 734 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,239 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,483 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,592 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on April 8, 2017 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • nottrue

    As long as you got Billions in the bank who cares about empty buildings …EDIT. People like Aaron are the ones to take them down.. . .. https://youtu.be/c6njMttampI

  • Jgg2012

    How’s the Church doing? Well, they aren’t going to clear the planet. Davey has enough money to live on for the next 10 lifetimes. He also has a few thousand cheering fans for his Ideal Org openings and IAS events, and, in 30 years, that number may be around 50. After he dies, things will evaporate fast. 1000 people claiming to be LRH’s reincarnation be suing the church.

  • Probably the most amazing thing about Scn’s decline, to DM, is that he hasn’t killed the whole thing off by now. Let’s consider that he changed the LRH definition of an F/N, and he confused the definition of an Instant Read beyond all recognition, which are the two signature aspects of e-meter use. Let’s look at the way he implemented the Golden Age of Tech, which was clearly designed to squash the thousands of auditors who had been successfully auditing since Christ was a corporal. He is probably shit-faced that these three things didn’t do the job. Like the Terminator, Scners keep coming back, which amazes him no end. And let’s consider the dozens of other actions he has taken over his now 30 year reign as lord and master of Scn. He must tear his hair out on most days at the fact Scn is still alive and kicking. And he is still pulling in money. I think the only reason he has not bailed yet is because he has not finished the job of killing off Scn entirely and he wants to be 100% certain that it won’t be around in some future life to provide him his day of reckoning. When he has accomplished his aim he can take off with whatever bank accounts are under his exclusive control to live out the rest of his days in the luxury to which he has become accustomed.

    • Jgg2012

      Yes, in 2011 he admitted that the tech was unintelligible. That should have led to a deluge of lawsuits and destroyed it.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        I must have missed the announcement then. What are you speaking of specifically?

        • Jgg2012

          It was uploaded in 2011, but it was actually given in 2007 at Ruth Eckerd Hall. He said the tech had been “garbled” and “unintelligible”.

          From their own site: http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige/basic-books-and-lectures.html
          My favorite line is: “Deviations from the original manuscripts were immediately discovered to be far more extensive than imagined”. Sounds a little imperfect.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Thanks for the reference!

          • Robert Eckert

            Is that the “march of the semicolons” speech?

            • Jgg2012

              I’m not sure. I thought that the semicolons speech was 2011. I listened to it in full, but it is not there now. I did find the 2007 speech, but it was only about 35 seconds long, and was uploaded in 2011.

            • Robert Eckert

              The video of the semicolons speech that I enjoyed got taken down and I don’t know if it is mirrored anywhere else.

    • Tracydeanne

      I’ve wondered that too, if at some point DM will just take off with a huge amount of cash for parts unknown.

      • No. He has invested too much or his own identity in his ‘status’ as COB, the ‘Big Being’. He would cease to exist to his own mind if he wasn’t surrounded by sycophants and possessed of power. He could certainly not interact with ‘ordinary’ people in ‘wog’ society and neither would be ever want to .

        Besides, he couldn’t organise a bug-out and would be decisive enough to do it in a timely manner. Most con artists are caught because they can’t resist going back to the well one last time. If they weren’t so greedy, almost none of them would ever get caught.

        • stanrogers

          That makes him Tinker Bell. Whatever you do, kids, don’t clap.

    • Jimmy3

      Why do you think he is so hellbent on killing Scientology? He has his fortune. If he really wanted to, he could go into isolation the same way LRH did. Find a nice beach property or two or three to retire to, and not involve himself in the day-to-day operations, and not even appear at all these phony galas.

      Personally, I don’t think he’s a dedicated Scientologist or really cares about what LRH preached. But everything we’ve seen lately suggests he’s trying to keep the con afloat, however limp it may be. The Super Bowl ads, the PI’s, the new hate wing front STAAD, the new SCNTV. Why order and pay for all that all that if his goal is to kill Scientology off? I don’t get it.

      • Juicer77

        Question seconded. Sigh… He’s gone again.

      • I think his game is to keep up appearances while killing it slowly. It’s more painful that way.

    • E-meter usage consists of selecting meaningless patterns out of needle movements in the same way as we see faces in clouds and ascribing spurious meanings to them. It can’t measure anything meaningful because the assertions that Hubbard made about it are nonsensical (e.g. ‘thought has mass’ – which can be measured through a conveniently unexplained mechanism.

      The e-meter does not do anything except measure the changing resistance of the surface of your skin, and is so skittish (deliberately – to give the operator lots to ‘read’) that it isn’t even very good at that.

      Changing such things was just a act of possession – a way for Miscavige to assert his authority. It identified those would argue so that they could be purged, and replaced by those who would comply. That’s all.

      • Mark Foster

        THANK YOU.
        Much ado about doo doo. Thanks for bringing your shovel, OB.

        • That’s just the way I see it…

      • I’ll bet that your experience with a meter and mine are quite different.

        • Well… evidently… since we disagree so so much.

          I also observe that the circuitry inside the e-meeter the circuitry is identical in principle that inside my Ohm meter (i.e. a Wheatstone Bridge). Both will measure skin resistance when used like the e-meter.

          If you believe that the e-meter can do more than my Ohm meter the onus is on you to explain what the difference is, and what mechanism is at work.

          Because there is no reasonable explanation, even if I felt that something had happened during auditing with an e-meter, I would have to conclude that is must be due to something else because the e-meter cannot possibly work as advertised.

          This all suggests to me that ‘experience’ of the e-meter producing remarkable results must be subjective and generated by unjustified claims made with confidence by Scientologists who have never examined them critically, and belief in those claims.

          A combination of con trick and placebo effect, in other words.

          (PS: Sorry it took me so long to reply. Life has intervened and made me work during the day, for a change).

          • Uh, yeah. What I meant by my “experience” crack is that things often happen very rapidly on an e-meter which cannot be accounted for by hands sweating or unsweating. A rise or a fall, sure, that could happen. Body reactions, sure. But a rock slam or theta bop, no freaking way. Not possible. Of course you’d have to look up those definitions to see what I was talking about or else watch the e-meter film done by Jonathan Burke at the Advanced Org of the Great Plains to see what they looked like. I take it that you have zero actual experience with a meter. and that your argument is based strictly on what you have read that others have written, am I correct?

            • No- my argument is based on the fact that, as far as I can see, there is no mechanism by which a device which is functionally equivalent to my multimeter can do anything other then read skin resistance.

              Other people here have reported being able to fake the required needle movements to pass a ‘sec check’ so I can’t see how those other movement could not be produced by manipulation, deliberate or unconscious.

              Things happen rapidly because (unlike my multimeter) the e-meter mechanism is undamped, and bounces about like a car without dampers. It should be possible to face a ‘trigger event’ that makes the needle ‘bounce’ rapidly without the manipulation having to be equally quick.

              Besides – what does a ‘theta bop’ actually mean – it can’t really be defined outside of Scientology.

              Before I can take the claims made for the e-meter seriously, someone will have to:

              a) Tell what those claims are, without reference to Scientology – what is the e-meter supposed to be indicating
              b)Explain how the meter actually achieves what is claimed – if it doesn’t read skin resistance what does it do?
              c) Propose an objective, falsifiable. test of those claims
              d) Explain why my multimeter (which is based on exactly the same circuit) does not display the same properties.

              I have no ‘experience’ with e-meters, or healing crystals, or pyramid power because life’s too short to try out every device which lacks any kind of coherent rationale.

            • For someone with no experience you sure know a lot.

            • For someone with such ‘certainty’ you certainly fail to present evidence.

              I’m afraid I simply decline to take your word (or the word of them man who wrote the book you mention elsewhere) on faith, as I would if buying a used car.

              Tell me how the e-meter does what you claim it does, and make some definite statement about those claims which can be put to a fair test, and promise I will try it out.

              Again, I have no experience of Orgone boxes or the Hieronymus machine (a ‘radionics’ device which, like Dianetics, was supported by John W Campbell, the editor of “Astounding Science Fiction”). However, life’s too short to examine them all on the off-chance that there might be something that works in among all the incoherent hand-waving which passes for theory.

              If the e-meter ‘works’ in some way, it’s had 60 years for independent researchers to examine it and try to find out why. If it worked, it would revolutionise the world outside Scientology. This has not happened because

              a) It doesn’t work
              b) What it is supposed to do is only comprehensible to people who have accepted Scientology

              Show me independent evidence that the e-meter can do something interesting (e.g. not from Scientologists or Scientology fronts) and I promise I will examine it.

            • By the way, to answer your point b), go on the ‘net and find a copy of Understanding the E-meter (not written by Hubbard, by the way).

            • If I can find it, I will read it and publish it online.

              However, I doubt that a book written by a committed Scientologist will answer my concerns about objectivity and evidence, but rather just provide more unsubstantiated claims.

              Explain clearly what it is that the meter does, and show some independent experimental evidence that it does, in fact, do that and will take that seriously.

            • Oh, you’ll find it alright. All of Scn is on the web.

    • Mark Foster

      Pfft, you are assuming that Demented Muppet has a level of self-awareness that I doubt he actually has…
      The Golden Age of Tech and changing the definition of those e-meter reads easily qualify as basic, b flat money grabs. I don´t think he gives a Hollywood Boulevard blow job about scientology beyond the money it makes him and the daily opportunities to abuse and degrade others it affords him…

  • scnethics

    LRH may not have stamped his name in history for all time, but this enormous pile of shit he dropped is going to be stinking up the place for a long time to come.

  • Groot
    • Jimmy3

      No, Groot. We’re not doing that today.

      • Groot

        I am Groot?

        • Jimmy3

          No, the baby pictures were just a one time thing. We did that yesterday. It’s over now.

          • Groot

            i am groot

            • Hello. Who are you, then?

            • Juicer77

              If you’re Jimmy4, stop clogging up comments when I have so much to catch up on. 😉

              If you’re new, welcome!

  • How can a crowdfunding site NOT have Sharing buttons? This is 2017 ?

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    “….Graduation night in Mexico City! This place will be cleared in no time!….”

    The few there look like one or two might be “Flag” selectees! (Future dupes for Flag Clearwater that is, for Flag income purposes.)

    Money’s what is keeping Scientology going.

    This photo at least shows the how of how Scientology is keeping afloat.

    Getting people to even show up to be patted on the head with the Hubbard pitiful rewards ceremonies (“Graduations” which happen Friday, weekly), is a routine part of Scientology, as small as it is, they always have their Graduations, and those that come, will be the ones who paid for “minor” and “major” services, and those with the bucks will be easily picked off by the regs, who come to Graduations also, and it’s that extra built in opportunity to nab the followers who have the bucks to move them “up the Bridge” to Advanced Orgs and to Flag, for more bilking for more of the upper level services.

    The photo has a lot more meaning than just empty chairs and the pitiful follower participation.

    It’s always thus, if anyone’s moved up the whole Scientology ladder system. Graduations even when I came up the line (but I didn’t have bucks, I quickly jumped into the Sea Org and became a poor communal Sea Orger participant my 27 year career in the cult).

    The pattern, even having Graduations, is what is the same, year in year out.

    Graduations which are not even held due to NO completions at all, that would be more interesting to know of.

    For example, if the Mexico org has to cancel graduations altogether, since there are NO graduates, for a particular week, if some former Scientologist staffers can add their experiences of how many times their org or mission failed to even hold the weekly graduation, due to there being NO graduates at all, that would be good to hear of.

    In 1975, at the Phoenix Org, our graduations were some weeks more dismal than this Mexican one.

  • Mick Roberts

    Just going to copy what I wrote in Terra’s post over at Mike’s last week and add/modify a few things:

    I don’t think there’s any one thing that’s going to “topple Scientology” and cause this so-called “church” to implode. However, I do believe that the daily drips of information detailing the horrendous abuses that are occurring will continue to grow and will ultimately cause the POWER of the “church” to collapse. I’ll concede that perhaps I might be a bit delusional in my optimism (I’ve only been passionate about this topic for a few months so my level of knowledge is extremely limited compared to most people here), but I believe there is cause for quite a bit of optimism that we’re witnessing the final days of the abusive practices and ripping apart of families that this “church” engages in.

    While I believe that the current power that this organization currently wields is going to drastically diminish in the very near future thanks to the massive exposure that is occurring, I do believe that if the IRS acts and removes their designation as a religious organization, that would greatly expedite what I believe is the coming implosion of the totalitarian nature of the official Church of Scientology.

    The IRS taking away tax exempt status won’t cause it to collapse the next day (the IRS can’t demand “back taxes”). But if they take that exemption away, then that will cause future funds to dry up even more. That can cut drastically into the funds they use for their Fair Game tactics and their litigation threats, which is important to them so they can continue to have the ability to “tamp down” on the criticism, both internally and even externally to a certain degree. Cutting those funds off could lead to even greater criticism, especially from former members who could continue to add to the already large mountains of evidence of the destructive nature of CofS to the lives of individuals.

    The taxation of their income can also serve to chip away at the dishonest illusion of massive expansion they perpetrate on their members since they will have less funds to purchase and renovate their empty buildings. Yes, they have a decent reserve built up, but it can’t last forever. Preventing this illusion to continue could lead to more disillusionment within the current ranks, and thus, more people leaving the organization altogether.

    On top of all of that, the “donations” made to them will not likely be as high since the wealthy Scientologists will no longer be able to write them off here in the US. Taking away that exemption (for both the “church” and their “donors”) would be a double-edged sword that will slice them both ways. I believe that will eventually (and quickly) bleed them dry……..of their money first, and as a result of that, eventually their power as well.

    All of this taken together would potentially cause a financial “death spiral” which they will never be able to fully recover. The “power” they currently hold over the lives of so many is actually bought with the funds they obtain, which are paid for by the very Scientologists that they currently hold so much power over. Stopping this revolving door of the “church’s” power to get money to obtain more power to get more money….and on and on, can be achieved fairly quickly if the IRS would act.

    If the FBI were to barge in and find evidence of human trafficking or gross violations of human rights or other criminal acts, that wouldn’t cause the organization to immediately collapse either. The litigation would take forever, especially in the US legal system. However, that could potentially assist in providing enough evidence to the IRS that might cause them to act and take away their religious status even more quickly.

    And if their “religious status” is taken away, the courts would likely no longer feel as compelled to be so “hands off” when dealing with this organization during litigation. This would be yet an even wider chasm in the “death spiral” that will crush the power they currently possess. That’s the end game that so many wish to see, the end of the abusive, manipulative, and controlling practices they currently implement and carry out.

    They will never change their ways of their own accord, especially under the current leadership and with the inflexible policies that the founder put in place. The only way they will change is through external forces……which is why all of us continuing to speak out, without fear, is so important in order to raise awareness and to continue to put pressure on those agencies who truly can bring about a fairly swift and decisive end to the totalitarian culture of this so-called “church”.

    • Mick Roberts

      Err, that was longer than I thought it was going to be. Here’s the TL;DR version:

      I believe the church is imploding and the IRS can bring that about even quicker if they take away their tax-exempt status in the US.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        It would have to be the courts first to issue a ruling that exposes a valuable soft spot that would pave the way for more legal cases and more (and bigger) payouts. If the courts open a wound, you bet people will try to bleed it. And the CoS can’t function the way it does without the money and the legal cover. That said, the courts can only go so far because of the status bestowed on the cult by the IRS. But I think they IRS would be more likely to act if the CoS were basically reduced to a carcass they could swoop in and pick off without a lot of risk. It’s why Laura DeCrescenzo’s case is so important–and also why we were all angry and flummoxed at the withdrawal of the Rathbuns’ suit when it had just scored a major milestone victory.

    • If they lost their religious status, the first thing that would happen is that the religious worker visa pipeline would close, and the Sea Org available to keep Flag operating would fall rapidly. Below a critical number and they couldn’t keep the Scientology hotels and the rest running, then their Tragic Kingdom in Clearwater would crumble fast.

  • Science Doc

    O/T. I just read through the comments on a pharmaceutical research story in today’s Wall Street Journal, and they are worse in tone and insight than the most heavily trolled thread I’ve ever seen on The Bunker. There must be thousands of full time internet trolls who concentrate on major newspapers.

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    “….The Galaxy Press pair enjoy the stage setup for this past weekend’s Writers of the Future ceremony. That backdrop is a great reminder of how much money Scientology spends on this contest and its award ceremony…..”

    Author Services Inc (Galaxy is new organization between ASI and Bridge, made up mostly of Bridge staff who moved “up” to form Galaxy) in the years I was there, the ASI income of foreign publishing of Hubbard’s fiction, ALL of the foreign fiction publishing all total provided the weekly “royalties” and “license” agreement income that ASI at that time collected.

    I’m not sure if Galaxy’s weekly income, through the royalties, isn’t still collected by ASI treasury personnel, I wonder if anyone’s given recent staff duties breakdown on the “treasury” income lines at both Galaxy and ASI, how that income collecting of the royalties’ payements weekly are in terms of amounts.

    In amounts, in 1992-1995, when I was the computer guy at ASI, and I weekly printed out the statistics for the ASI staff meeting, I looked at and understood these amounts of money “we” in ASI were collecting, from all sources, that added up to the weekly ASI income produced.

    “We” at ASI were making upwards of a 100 Gs per week. (Royalties I think was in the 10-20 Gs a week range, and the “license agreements” total was roughly another 10-30 Gs a week, and then the ASI salespeople would flog special edition Hubbard fiction works bound in leather, and all gilded up, for the bulk of the weekly ASI income flogging of Hubbard’s crap fiction.)

    50 Gs a week was paid out of the ASI income, straight to RTC, and then wherever the rest of the money went, the bulk would go to CST accounts, of what ASI took in weekly.

    ASI used to flog the LRH fiction titles, and Galaxy now does that flogging. ASI might still do the royalties collection.

    That’s pretty decent money, enough to put on these Writers of the Future and Illustrators stuff, yearly, no problem.

    A few times I recall when Norman Starkey would come up with harebrained ideas, like the time he dreamt up selling a few of the CST titanium capsules to the richest of Scientology followers, the Feshbachs bought a few and other rich rollers bought a capsule or two, and they paid 250Gs a pop for their capsules and full Hubbard archival paper specially bound copies of the Hubbard red and green volumes and a few basic “archival” paper/binding books.

    ASI has dreamt up ways over the decades to flog really gilded sets of Hubbard’s crap writings which the rich Scientology dupes get their super select editions of.

    That pays their ASI/Galaxy bills, and renos, and the Writers/Illustrators contest galas put on yearly etc.

  • Jgg2012

    Look up “Fordlandia” and you will get an idea of what the empty orgs will look like in 70 years (Fordlandia was a Henry Ford boondoggle in the Amazon that lasted 10 years. The buildings are still there, and they are full of bats).

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      They are already bats in the belfry. Bet you knew that was coming.

      • stanrogers

        And toys in the attic.

        • EmmaDaoust

          And rats in the cellar.

      • Jgg2012

        It wouldn’t be a church if it didn’t have a belfry.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “10,000 people, maybe more”: No, but at least in Mexico City there’s a small audience for graduation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MCQIOCem2I

    • salin

      I enjoyed seeing/hearing that. Thanks.

    • stanrogers

      The Disturbed cover is really worth a listen. There’s a bite to it that Paul Simon could never manage with his voice:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

      • salin

        Wow.

        • stanrogers

          That’s pretty much exactly what I thought when I first heard it, and I’m a big S&G fan.

      • pluvo

        It’s one of the few cover songs which I love. His raspy voice with the soft and then the crescendo gives the song some very special soul.

      • GfldedKim

        Always gives me chills.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    The Mexico City graduation made me wonder what happens if a clam doesn’t want his or her picture taken with their “diploma” after they’ve finished a $ci course. Is that optional, or would the person get sent to ethics if they told them they don’t want a photo taken?

    • salin

      Hard to think of a scenario for when one would finish a course (presumably they are into it when they are taking courses and writing up their attests) who would be want to avoid taking a picture, unless the person had a general aversion to being photographed in general. In that case I would imagine the response would be something like “We can help you with that” and hard-selling more courses.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        I would think at least some would be embarrassed to be shown to be associated with the cult.

    • chukicita

      Isn’t it a course requirement to write your success? You’ve probably signed all your rights away by the time you “graduate,” anyway.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      What happens? Well, “It rubs lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again,” that’s what happens! (from the Spanish translation of the “Silence of the Clams”)

  • I tell you what will close down this SCAM – Angry! People…

  • WhiteCentauress

    Hubbard returns. Hubbard checks out one of his new offices. Unable to communicate his newfound “identity of higher beingness”…..he meets with resistance from the few remaining Scientologists.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f09dd83fad556d5e539ac9731b86001660e9fd8ef4a3b33ccdfc7ab178642e3b.png

    ( Only a dream, but a fun dream, nonetheless ….)

    • I love it when there’s a Gary Larson cartoon that I haven’t seen!

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I love these Gary Larson interludes.

  • nottrue
    • GfldedKim

      I will be reading it next..after I finish A Piece of Blue Sky…having a hard time getting through it though…

      • Juicer77

        I found Blue Sky a bit tough as well. It is so jam packed with information and philosophical questions relating to $ci beliefs. But it is well worth sticking through to the end.

        • GfldedKim

          That is my thought also. However, I will finish! 👍

          • Juicer77

            Try reading two books at once on different subjects, if you’re not already doing that. Helps a lot to process each bit and let it sink in.

  • Jeb Burton

    Have you people ever heard of google? I have. I googled Sceintology and found out they are just doing just fine. They are the fastest growing religion in the universe, with more than 15 million members and churches in just about every country. So there, skeptics. (Drop the mic, walk off stage.)

  • Harmless Weirdo

    I think that ultimately the CoS is going to go the way of Christian Science (another religion that used to be hotly controversial).

    In my own neighborhood, the Christian Scientists sold off their huge, empty church (built in the 1910s and increasingly expensive to maintain). But before they did so, they built a new, smaller church and reading room just a few blocks away. It’s a very attractive, well-constructed, modern building, on a high-traffic street, easy to get to by car, transit, or on foot, with its own off-street parking–and it’s empty. Some days, I walk by and the reading room is open, staffed by a lone, elderly person, but more often than not it appears to be closed. I haven’t gone by on a Sunday morning, but I expect their church crowd is very small, and very elderly.

    They have several reading rooms scattered across the city, and all of the ones I’ve seen are very nice, pleasant spaces; obviously there is enough money on hand to make them so. But no amount of money is enough to get people in the door. There is too much information about Christian Science and its controversies online–who would want to join, now?

    To look at the Church of Christ, Scientist these days, you’d never know just how huge it was in its heyday. And if its membership hadn’t embarked on a massive church-building and real-estate buying spree during its boom years, there probably wouldn’t even be reading rooms, any more. It’d be a few old people meeting in each others’ homes.

    The Christian Science church is essentially a real estate holding company, now. They have a very small, dying-off membership, but plenty of money to keep up the appearances that they’re a going religious concern. And when I look at Scientology’s future, that’s what I see. Hell, it’s already here–the vast, empty Ideal Orgs, the huge real estate portfolio and cash reserves, the aging membership, the lack of new converts.

    The one big difference is that Scientology still needs to be able to deliver services to paying members, so declining staff will eventually hit a crisis point. I expect some services provided at Ideal Orgs will get shifted to LA and Flag, then eventually just to Flag, as membership continues to dwindle. And the CoS will have to fully subsidize empty Ideal Orgs, if they don’t want them falling into decay.

    • stanrogers

      This one should go faster, though – Mark Twain’s book came out 110 years ago, and it wasn’t even available as an ePub.

      • Harmless Weirdo

        I don’t think Mark Twain’s book had much to do with Christian Science’s decline. What really hurt Christian Science was letting children die of treatable ailments because their parents sought help from CS practitioners rather than physicians.

        CS’s most rapid membership decline, not coincidentally, came post-WWII–or, rather, post-penicillin, post-sulfanilamide, post-all the major medical and surgical advaces that came about during the war. Christian Scientists and their children had been killed or disabled all along by various injuries and ailments, despite all attempts at faith-healing, but given the state of medicine at the time, who could really say whether doctors could have saved them? All of that changed rapidly during the 1940s and ’50s.

        So Mark Twain didn’t ring the death knell for Christian Science; rather (to oversimplify it a bit), antibiotics did.

  • J. Swift

    To John P. Capitalist’s mention of my post on Fortress Scientology, I have also called it “Monastery Scientology” to relate the same concept. Here is my March 11, 2008 post at xenu.net http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26106&p=302831&hilit=Monastery#p302831

    1. The US economy is in tough shape and so discretionary consumer spending has plunged.

    2. In real economic terms, Scientology can be easily seen as a high priced luxury consumer item. As spending has tightened at the consumer level, Scientology has seen a downturn in sales of its overpriced luxuries along with companies such as Sharper Image, which just filed for bankruptcy.

    3. Based on what all of us are hearing from our various sources, it appears that Scientology has experienced a heavy downturn in sales to its middle class parishioners. Factor in a tidal wave of bad PR, and the Cult is on the ropes. What I have seen is that Flag and the CC’s have callously reacted to the downturn by restructuring their delivery of services around wealthy Scientology consumers who can afford their Scientology addiction even in a bad economy. I see this as the inevitable future of Scientology at the Org level.

    This is Scientology in PT. If I were DM, I would use the following strategy to handle my many problems:

    4. I entrench Scientology as a religion focused exclusively on the super-wealthy and the famous. This customer base is Scientology’s strength. What are the things that the insecure wealthy and the insecure famous covet? They covet their privacy and huge amounts of exclusive attention that is all about them. Scientology excels at offering such services. Scientology’s wealthy members are willing to pay for Premium Mind Control while the masses must settle for the mediocre fear dished out for free by the media. Seriously, politicians and the capitalistic media have kept their finger on the panic button for far too long. Either get the goddamned Apocalypse over with or drop the subject.

    5. Scientology is radioactive in its present state. The Cult had a core meltdown on Feb 29, 2008 or thereabout.

    5A. Scientology is now the religious equivalent of radioactive waste.

    6. Assuming that I am DM, I am now living in a radioactive religious wasteland where the only protection is offered is by money. Therefore, I make two key decisions:

    6A. I decide to take Scientology off the radar for at least three years in order for the radioactive slag heap to cool down. Talk about prophecy come true: Scientology just went through Incident II in PR terms. The Cult has been laid to waste. It is that dire.

    6A. As DM, I have built a resort-based religion that caters to the egos of the wealthy. My resorts and steaming ship are paid for, so all I need to do is to let my interest and services delivered pay my overhead for a few years while I let things cool down on the PR front. This is a tactical retreat, because I cannot win the war right now. My group cannot take any more exposure to truth. For the sake of my group and its members, we must, in effect, go underground in this time of internet persecution. By becoming victims, we win. An Underground movement is inherently chic in this media age.

    6B. I immediately end all European operations and cede the Continent to the Psychs. I retreat to the Big Island and let Europe be run out of Saint Hill. This is part of my larger plan to put Scientology into isolation.

    6C. I reverse Scientology’s historic course and stop all PR. I get off the internet big time. I go to a secure website for general dissem. All other data is delivered by US phones or US mail. In the US, phones and mail are federally protected. The critics can’t hack my phones or my mail or they get to go to the assrape prison they all want to see me in, i.e. assuming I am DM.

    6D. Low Tech suddenly looks very good as I revert to OT Phone Trees and the use of snail mail.

    7. I open my resorts only to those who can afford my asking prices, and I will not lower those prices. I create the first Scientology Diaspora by turning away from Scientology Orgs all those who cannot pay.

    7A. For those who cannot pay for my ultra-exclusive Orgs, I go to a home-based and mission-based system to delivery of Scientology. Yes, I know that I, assuming I am DM, ruined this in 1982, but now I see its gentle wisdom and its ability to compete directly with the Free Zone groups.

    7B. People who need advanced services and cannot afford my Orgs, do not get to become OT’s. You heard that right: Being OT is now a privilege reserved only for the able, where ability is defined as money. If you want to become an OT, go find a way to get wealthy, or, join the SO at my resort Orgs. If you join my SO, you will get a special level called SO OT.

    As SOOT, you get special privileges that are essentially equivalent to more work. No one ever said being SOOT was easy. It is dirty work.

    *****
    If DM can get 1,000 wealthy Scientologists per year to spend $50,000 USD each on Scientology, he has made $50,000,000 in tax free money.

    If DM can get 4,000 middle class Scientologists to spend $25,000 USD each on Scientology, he has made $100,000,000 in tax free money.

    That is the simple way for DM to make $150,000,000 in tax free cash. That is a boatload of money. DM’s overhead is what? Maybe $50,000,000 a year for global operations? DM pay his slaves in Sea Org and Staff
    maybe $40 a week plus a bunk and meals?

    If I am DM and can keep 5,000 people per year engaged in my new Monastery Scientology, I will survive forever. I will have also cogged on behalf of the group that the internet is a scary place and I will therefore keep Scientology off it forever. After all, the internet critics cannot attack that which they cannot find online.

    1950 has never looked so beautiful.

    • Juicer77

      Wow, interesting post from nearly a decade ago. And quite prescient!

    • Keeping Scientology open in places like Germany is useful. It’ll never go anywhere, but it can always be used for US campaigns to fund the IAS war chest.

    • J. Swift

      While I agree with John P. Capitalist’s analysis in the main, the only place I differ is that I rank Scientology as having a very high potential for a ruinous quantum event occurring. This is because Scientology is inherently self-destructive. Scientology is reactionary as opposed to being strategic. As a reactionary group, Scientology makes extremely bad decisions.

      What passes for strategy in Scientology is a pointless program of real estate acquisition and the renovation of acquired real estate. Example, while the Cult paid $45,000,000 for the old KCET lot + ~$10,000,000 in improvements, Scientology did not get KCET’s broadcast license; this was a critical failure in terms of strategy. A better negotiator would have seen KCET was on the ropes and threw in some more money to get the broadcast license. However, Miscavige was afraid to actually go after the license as he knows that the burden of actually broadcasting at that level, i.e. meeting the FCC requirements for a license to broadcast in the public interest, is something Scientology simply is not up to and cannot deliver. For this reason, Miscavige acquired SMP, sunk money into it, and then waited almost two years to announce what? That his ~$55,000,000 SMP investment resulted in purchasing time on Spectrum cable? Miscavige didn’t need to spend ~$55,000,000 to buy time on cable when he has a world class production studio at Gold Base. Miscavige’s petty politics of punishing Gold Base drove him to sink ~$55,000,000 into the non-performing SMP lot.

      Scientology’s eminent mediocrity on social media shows the discontinuity between Scientology and Culture. Specifically, for Scientology to pay for ads on Twitter and FB promoting its hate websites is a horrible decision. The ads scream, “We in Scientology are a Cult and are every bit as horrible, hateful, spiteful, and vindictive as they say we are and here is the proof: Our hate websites on Leah, Mike, Karen, Amy, Tom De Vocht, Chris Shelton, Jefferson Hawkins, Marc and Claire, and many other people.”

      The Church of Scientology does not see that these attack websites are purely reactionary and vile. Scientology does not see how these self-incriminating cesspools of hatred are damning evidence against the Church. These hate websites are nothing more than the digital version of the Squirrel Busters and we saw how well the Squirrel Busters worked out in Texas.

      Scientology keeps digging its own grave deeper.

      A few final points:

      1. Three billion dollars is not that much money. When the IRS moves, and it will, the Cult can spend as much as it wants but that misses the point. There will be very narrow questions that Scientology cannot spend its way out of.

      2. Scientology is not a bulwark of anything except David Miscavige’s incredible viciousness, bad judgment, and incompetence. And yes, Miscavige is following Hubbard whose management policies are horrible.

      3. The IAS fiddles while Rome burns. Scientology can spend money on PR and IAS galas, but the Cult still refuses to own up to Fair Game, Disconnection, breaking up families, using Sea Org slave labor, using child labor, and engaging in the systematic financial destruction of its public rank and file.

      4. Scientology is so bad that Mr. Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam refuse to identify as Scientologists. Mr. Farrakhan knows how to read the tea leaves. The Nation of Islam keeps David Miscavige and Scientology at arms length. This is why there is no known photo of Mr. Farrakhan and Mr. Miscavige together. Mr. Farrakhan does not wish to be seen with David Miscavige.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “By becoming victims, we win.” $cn captures the pure essence of Orwell’s “doublespeak” concept better than any contemporary group that I’m aware of.

      My current fave is the “death is life” scam, in which aging $cilons who can no longer contribute to the group and are becoming a drag on the family resources (which could be better spent on $cn) are encouraged to “drop the body” and pick up a new one, thus doing themselves and their $cilon family members a big favor.

      If these damned Thetanists weren’t so dangerous and depraved, the whole thing would just be screamingly funny!

    • Really great. Thanks for reposting that. I don’t know if he could show any kind of retreat however and still keep the whales in thrall.

  • mockingbird

    Way way OT completely off the Scientology spectrum entirely

    I just saw a group of thirteen Trump supporters holding signs in the parking lot of Home Depot on Elmwood Avenue across from channel 4. In Buffalo New York.

    They almost got into fights with several groups of black folks.

    A couple groups of two or three black folks had words with a half dozen trump supporters. A lone black men kept holding people back and trying to de-escalate the situation. He almost certainly prevented violence.

    He was walking away and I asked him what happened. He started to tell me and was interrupted. He went back over to engage them and things got heated. I walked closer and LOOKED closely at the half dozen Trump supporters that kept having words with black folks.

    I saw these guys are white supremacists. One had a white power T shirt. Others have shaved heads and white power symbols on their jackets and white power slogans on their T shirts.

    I walked over and tried to be sure this lone black man did not get into a six on one fight.

    I waited for a calmer moment and walked to the side with him and explained to him that I have seen these guys my whole life. They are not moderate republicans. They are white supremacists and he shouldn’t be there alone. They are the 88 and 14 as the alt-right say. Real old school white power and KKK guys.

    If you engage Trump supporters be careful. Some are the most violent racists out there. A few minutes later two police cars arrived and the white supremacists instantly packed up and hopped into their pick-up trucks.

    They knew to avoid the police as these guys often have already been in prison and have records and want to avoid the police who can look up their records and see who is on parole.

    The other Trump supporters actually waited and answered the questions the police asked. They were not with the white supremacists.

    • Jeb Burton

      Trump supporters go to Home Depot because there are always Mexican construction workers going there to get supplies and it makes them feel good when they yell, “Build that wall.”

      • Mark Foster

        I can´t make myself upvote your comment, but you are absolutely right…That kind of attitude has been extant for decades…The insulting phrases morph, the racism and ignorance persists…

    • Juicer77

      I’m glad you got involved in a positive way, and there was no violence. Also very glad for the reminder that there are all sorts of positions on the political spectrum. Assuming every person is an extremist is dangerous and foolish. Ask questions. Have a conversation. Learn more. Thanks.

      • mockingbird

        The shaved heads and white power slogans on their clones and white lives literature are familiar enough to me.

        These were serious individuals ready for violence.

    • Mark Foster

      Good job, MB.
      I have lived that shit, as early as 7th grade, when my sister and I were the first black kids in an all-white school in an almost totally white suburb of Dayton, Ohio. I got in a few fights(the first one was on my first day of school and I still remember the kid´s name).Definitely had some encounters with those kinds of super racist, super crazy, ¨let´s-kill-us-some-niggers¨ kinds of folks. They are NOT to be trifled with or underestimated, as killing and/or torturing a ¨nigger¨ is a feat that elicits respect and admiration from their cohorts.
      Bannon and Sessions and Trump are totally down with that agenda, too. Scary times…

      • Robert Eckert

        I can’t believe that kind of shit is coming back into “fashion”. When I was young I really believed all the idealistic hopes that that kind of thinking would just disappear.

        • Mark Foster

          Hey, it never went out of fashion, at least for me…But, yeah, we gotta keep pushin´…

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. I am a two hundred fifty pound guy and all the white supremacists were at least two fifteen to three hundred pound guys and the guy they were messing with was smaller than any of us. it would have not been good if they jumped him. If other people were not around I am sure they would have jumped him.

        Unfortunately, I must agree that for them violence including murder of a black man would be a bonding and status building activity. These are times when bigotry and hatred are in ascension, I know gun violence statistics show people are in danger from having guns in their home, but could not object to any vulnerable citizens seeking to carry guns or keeping them at home (locked away from children) to protect themselves. White supremacists have been very visible in recruitment in Western New York lately. And across the nation.

        • Mark Foster

          Southern Poverty Law Center is one of many organizations that track that kind of information: https://www.splcenter.org/

  • outraged

    Current state of Scientology is very similar to the current state of the Trump White House.
    Imploding from within and exploding from without. In other words, a shit storm.

    • Jeb Burton

      I see a lot of Rathbun in Bannon. But both could use a change at the top.

      • Mark Foster

        And enemas…

  • Juicer77

    Very late to the party, my apologies. Was in the States last week dealing with some family business.

    I am hoping that the Laura DeCrescenzo case hands a very large weapon to the hordes of attorneys waiting to sue the Co$. As far as the “cherch’s” future, I can’t even guess. There are those here, at Rinders and ESMB that can predict scenarios with far more accuracy. And even then things are likely to be convoluted with old Twisty Dave at the helm.

    • Mark Foster

      Twisty Dave
      A Psychotic Knave
      A Piss-Ant Pope
      A Billionaire Dope
      Manipulative and Mean,
      Hoarding The Green
      Intelligence is Minimal
      In this Stone Cold Criminal

      By the way, did you know that…for insisting scientology is a crime syndicate,
      Alonzo issued me my hysterical ASC member certificate?(yup!)

      Hi Juicer 🙂

      • Juicer77

        Hi Mark! Now I’m all kinds of jealous. Xoxo

  • mockingbird

    An unfortunate parallel to Scientology that I have some familiarity with is the KKK. Like Scientology they are a closed group that has enemies they attack and want exterminated.

    The history of the KKK is full of incidents that are made widely known of lynchings and terror and murder At times when high profile cases of murders of children have been covered in the national press with serious prosecution by law enforcement the KKK has had their membership decline possibly by ninety percent.

    They are unfortunately part of a resurgence of hatred that is inspired by Trump and his administration and supporters.

    Scientology similarly has gotten a poor reputation as their crimes are very widely exposed now. Perhaps more than at an time in history. Their membership is already so incredibly miniscule that they are almost entirely irrelevant as a major social or political group, but they ruinand harm thousands of lives every day and through their wealth and highly experienced conspiracy of unethical attorneys, criminal operatives and experienced and seasoned cult management have established a niche that’s hard to dislodge and effective at operating without being prosecuted.

    They are unlikely to get bigger but unlikely to be knocked out eithe, unless the tax exemption is removed or seen as inappropriate because Scientology is a criminal enterprise and conspiracy. Then it might fall hard.

    • MarcabExpat

      Yeah, but the ultimate cause of the decimation of the KKK was a lawsuit in which the organization as a whole was held responsible for one of their murders, and literally all their assets were sold to pay a settlement to the victim’s mother. We haven’t seen the equivalent of that sort of judgment on Scientology as of yet.

      It always comes down to the money. In the end, what will finish them will be not their mistreatment of human beings, but their money.

      • mockingbird

        Sad. Lots of white supremacy groups lost their nerve after financial losses.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    HowdyCon 47

    held at the site of the former Flag, now a cult information and education
    center known as The Overground Bunker under the aegis of the Dept.
    of Social Studies, University of Tampa.

    Since the demise of David Miscavige who choked on his own bile,
    the “Church” of $cientology imploded in a series of coups, law-suits
    and ecclesiastical squabblings.
    It was the combination of fearless reporters, courageous exes and
    justice-seeking lawyers that finally toppled the multi-headed beast.

    In the Jon Atack Auditorium, eats, meets and greets and serious
    partying occurred.
    Some liver transplants were required.
    We were as happy as Fly in a Lego factory, or a sparrow in a bakery.
    We had us a swinging good time though we were unable
    to make head nor tail of it after.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a996df15298ae75fea373922a9b9591b81e9cfdbc521111f0cd77b24f0365737.jpg

    • Rasha

      ….whose aircar keys are these…?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    The CO$ should be fine because according to Source, they just need to keep the show on the road… Yeesh!
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4887ddb5ea92bf5270e7d3822aa428e17d27e69c038b22a3caedbe987de28bea.png

    • Rasha

      So, by seeing how the show is not on the road, I should realize that keeping the show on the road is to know that, although the show is not on the road, the show is on the road, due to the fact that, and this is factual, the show being on the road is proven by not seeing that the show is on the road and….

      … hold on, the circus just arrived…. back in a bit…..

      • Mark Foster

        Whereby, having fully comprehended that the road to the show is not being traveled on even though it has been postulated and the postulate to create a show has not been fully actualized and that the dialectical, triangular tension between postulates, actions, and physical universe loci is about to blow, one resolves to travel the road of commitment to postulates, thereby manifesting sufficient energy to postulate a show to put on the road, a road that will be postulated concurrently with the show postulate, thereby manifesting a show and a road, and then…

        • Rasha

          …and that’s all very interesting, and so forth….

        • That still makes a kind of sense and is consequently not true Hubbard style. His speciality was statments that looked as if they ought to make sense but, upon examination, left you thinking “what does that even mean“.

          Congratulations on staying coherent even when you were trying to talk nonsense.

          • Mark Foster

            Damn, need more pinks and greys…and Macallans…and Kools…:)

            • I think those only helped him along.

              What you need is a utter disregard for the truth, born out of a sincere belief that reality is what you say it is, and changes whenever you want it to – that and being such an incredibly woolly thinker and lazy writer that you don’t even realise what you have written made no sense.

              I would embrace your ability to talk sense. You may never make it as a guru, but you will probably be a better human being for it.

      • Sherbet

        Don’t you see? DON’T YOU SEE? Please tell me YOU SEE!

        Mr. Hubbard, we’re ready with your Vistaril dose.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Well, NO I don’t see, Ron; that circular logic of yours makes NO damn sense at all!

      You crazy old coot, didn’t you just say that what is true for me – if it’s arrived at through my own experience – is true for me? If the $cn clown car is off the road and in a ditch, based on my own direct observation, then that’s what’s true for me…it’s in a ditch!

    • Qbird
  • Vaquera

    Joy @ Trump Grill is live on Facebook. It just started a minute ago.
    https://www.facebook.com/joyvilla/videos/vb.550793261/10154582299808262/?type=3&theater

    I can’t watch because iPads don’t have flash player

    • Juicer77

      I can’t watch because I won’t abuse my eyes that way. 😉

      • Rasha

        I can’t watch because…. I’m not gonna. Got a nailgun, compressor and telescope that need maintenance, and, I’ll be honest, these mean much more to Rasha. Hoping for a clear night tonight…..

        • Juicer77

          Have fun!

          • Rasha

            …always do! ^_^

            • Juicer77

              That’s my girl. xoxo

    • Kestrel

      Did more than 10 people ever show up?

  • Juicer77

    Obs, we are going to get a special 70’s Tony shoop at some point, right? 😉

    I missed the Old Photo day, but geeky me from 25 years ago wants to know if SuperHot Fly will go out with me? LOL f5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea5230b6606d4428f1f434ef01ab2c21a3fa8eb08f55eb872552799d828b01b1.jpg

    • Vaquera

      Missed you yesterday

      • Juicer77

        Thanks. Nice to be back. xoxo

    • Rasha

      swish that hoverskirt! ^_^

    • flyonthewall

      step into my time machine of love and strap in for the ride of your life

      • Juicer77

        OH BOY!!

        • Juicer77

          I mean, yeah that’s cool, whatevs… 😉

      • Rasha

        *returns to nailgun fieldstripping, whistling*

        Let’s see… retainer clip… retainer cli — OH! There you are!

        *whistles*

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        If that photo of Young Fly could talk, I feel like this is exactly what it would say.

        • Juicer77

          XD
          Those lips! *swoon*

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Yeah, but those eyes say trickster. I’m terrible, I don’t trust anybody. Probably why the boys in college told me I was unapproachable.

            • Juicer77

              Uh huh… which is why the first time I met you we spent an hour talking after the book event. 😉
              You were too luminous for them… idiots.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Oh, I’ve gotten a lot nicer in my old age. Plus, I automatically trust a hometown girl. ; )

              Being 19 is hard. I felt like I always had to be on my guard. Who knew that two decades later, I’d be a crazy cat lady who freely talks to strangers on the internet about scientology.

            • Juicer77

              XD

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Nonsense. You’re cute as!

      • Juicer77

        Aw, shucks. Thank God for laser eye surgery, is all I’ll say!!

    • Jimmy3

      Juicy

      • Juicer77

        LOL

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    First: Emily’s dress is beautiful. I covet it, but don’t covet where she is in life. I hope something causes her to have an epiphany and leave this group. I keep hoping…

    Second: I don’t think Scientology will ever completely disappear, even if their money and assets are taken from them and their leader is removed or put in jail. Unless cults practice mass suicide, like Heaven’s Gate, or Jim Jone’s group, they will still persist in one form or another, or split into differing groups that are smaller and wield much less power. The best course of action is to keep discrediting them, exposing their crimes, and hopefully someone or many someones will go after their assets removing most of their financial power to protect themselves.

    • Liberated

      I was thinking the same thing about Emily.
      She’s the only scion. that has good taste, her dress is pretty and she looks great in it and photographs beautifully. That’s usually not the case.

      I wish she would realize how many people love her out here in the “real world .”

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Yes, she always looks classy. I also wish she really knew how many people truly care about her and what happens to her.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        How do they afford these frocks on a 50$ a week (hopefully) salary? Just wondering if she or other’s have time for Wog work?

        • Liberated

          I know what you mean.
          I think her hubby has a publishing business, so they both live better than your average clam.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I thought all Sea Arghh are paid the same.

            • Liberated

              A person is allowed to make money outside the SO; e.g. have your own business or a career especially if he/she had it before joining SO.

              It’s ok just as long as you give money to the cult on a regular basis and understand the cult owns you.
              KSW…is always the most important thing.

              I’m pretty sure this is correct cause I’ve known some people who actually lived off base and had cars and everything just like real humans, but scientology still owned them….and that was ok.
              They told themselves they were free to do as they pleased…but really?

  • Vaquera
    • Torquewrench Ubergaaaard is working overtime to keep up with the overwhelming demand! Give him a break!

      • Sherbet

        Torquemada Uberdriver? He dresses funny. But not as funny as Joy does.

        • Grrrranimals for Hipsters™.

    • Juicer77

      I see she’s following DeadLRon’s business model!

      • Sherbet

        I, too, would pay if Joy Villa wouldn’t send me anything.

        • Juicer77

          Snortle

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Better write that one off, Paul. Joy has already spent the cash on exorcising a few of the thousands of disembodied space alien spirits that infest her.

      Just be content in the knowledge that every time Joy scams someone like you a poor trapped space alien spirit gets its freedom!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Things are going great in Scientology. Why just last night Penny Atwell Jones threw a party after the SFV Ideal Org sold its first copy of Dianetics a scant three weeks after its grand opening.

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/cafe-5.jpg?w=476&h=476

    • Sherbet

      I see creepy Jim Mathers couldn’t make it, so cob had to come by and do the groping himself.

      • Juicer77

        He’s wearing a simply lovely skirt, though.

        • Sherbet

          He’s embracing his feminine side. It’s the best thing he’s ever done, come to think of it.

          • Jimmy3

            He’s used to embracing the feminine side. Their back side.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Jim was busy across town in Bellflower at the Golden Corral’s all you can shrimp and spaghetti night.

        http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Jim_Mathers.jpg

        • Sherbet

          Hands where we can see ’em, Jim. Come on.

          • salin

            Now we know how to be safe from his wandering hands – keep handing him different phones and ask him to shoot selfies with you.

            • Sherbet

              Brilliant!

        • WhiteCentauress

          Frightening images should contain a warning! I’m both sickened and shocked. 🤢😳

          • Liberated

            Even though I’m given a heads up…I still freak out a little every time I see a pic of Mathers.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          The money Jim had budgeted for dental work went to the IAS.

          • Sherbet

            I hope he had fun gumming his spaghetti and shrimp.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          He looks like a shark to me.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Shivers……..

    • Roger Hornaday

      I think it’s very brave of David Miscavige to come out as a transperson. He, I mean, she seems a lot happier but she really needs to do something with her hair.

  • Juicer77

    Seriously, I hope Bijou Phillips has a smooth recovery and no complications. Very well done, Mr. Wadhams.

    • I concur. All criticism of the Scilon Cool Kids aside, that’s an epic act of love ad caring. May they all wake from Hubbard’s thrall.

      • Juicer77

        ^^^

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    FYI – Here are 3 examples of The Atlanta Org trying to keep “the show on the road” and lure new people in…
    (refresh)

    1. Targeting Hispanics with a “Dianetics Foundation” store in the local Plaza Fiesta mall: http://www.plazafiesta.net/store/dianetics-foundation/20dccd75-b3ee-425c-bf9a-3dc708370048?category=all

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4002bf4d0799b48dd0df4b1ea03af8999a247f82da6e5f62b295d551e65d7394.png

    2. Sneakily calling themselves “Marriage Counseling of Atlanta”: https://www.facebook.com/marriagecounselingofATL/?fref=nf And no surprise that guest speaker Dexter Manuel is a “singer” whose wife Natasha is “Executive Director, Foundation at Church of Scientology of Georgia”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61d01e9823c304eda04f2e5b89479d823547eba7a812ddbe9ebdc323eb3ac157.png

    3. Posting their unwanted anti-drug crap on people’s cars –
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8f7b5bc0e1afa408b88ea2b58492cb2d55ad0651872ab7df8664aeea6e513306.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64c763e2ecd942f2449a6602128762149e971565a23672af604ba965d9c89de8.jpg

    • WhiteCentauress

      Hey, Parents! Grab those five beautiful children and RUN!!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Date 8 April 2017

    From: Bart Dixslurper, Esq
    To: The Underground Bunker
    Re: Cease and Desist

    My client, the Religious Technology Center (RTC), finds the comments on the Underground Bunker to be harsh, exceedingly speculative, unfair, unfounded, enturbulative, dangerous, hostile, and harmful to my client
    Fleet Admiral David Miscavige, Lord High Ruler of the Espinol Star System and all churches, missions, and social betterment groups in the Scientology ecclesiastical hierarchy, except for Narconon which he has never heard of and with whom he has only a very distant corporate licensing relationship that was grandfathered in back in 1982 because the Founder hobbyhorsed on Narconon.

    As Bunkerites you should be ashamed, but that’s not all. Your comments are not Free Speech in any meaningful way. Free Speech ends and religious persecution begins when Scientology is attacked. Essentially, Scientology may attack, impugn, malign, slander, and libel others in its own defense but you may not respond because you don’t know what it’s like to be a Scientologist, have never done a course, don’t know what Scientology is, and thus you are all stupid, ill-informed, generality-infested SP’s who should all be immediately hanged in the town square at noonday because you have no shame and attack Mankind’s only hope of salvation.

    And make no mistake about it: This would be a grand hanging with balloons; a barbecue; clowns; games of chance; a three-legged race; festive ethnic foods; and the 127 piece Golden Era band accompanying the
    musical stylings of American Idol finalist Stacy Francis and international rap star Chill EB. Jim Mathers would also be there taking selfies.

    But that’s not all. Freedom of Speech is not the freedom to attack the Scientology religion or its leader David Miscavige. If any of you Bunkerites realized that David Miscavige is a leading figure of our age whose heroic contributions have saved billions from the scourge of drugs, illiteracy, and crime you would be ashamed for joking & degrading about him.

    But that’s not all. You should also be ashamed of mocking the Ideal Orgs, these oases of sanity in a world gone mad. Your disgraceful acts, and those of your co-conspirators prove, however, that you are not capable of being ashamed.

    Let me make it clear and present your options in simple terms. If you do not immediately cease and desist in your efforts to Joke & Degrade about Scientology and my client Fleet Admiral David Miscavige with your idiotic and juvenile antics, we shall proceed with swift and sure legal action preventing your egregious misconduct and seeking the sum of ONE HUNDRED TRILLION TRILLION dollars in compensatory and punitive damages for the humiliation and intentional infliction of emotional distress your tortious acts have caused and will cause Fleet Admiral David Miscavige and all of Scientology.

    Please confirm to my office no later than 2 PM PST on March 13, 2017 that you will cease and desist from your lawless behavior.

    All rights are reserved.

    Sincerely,

    Bart Dixslurper, Esq.

    • Sherbet

      Nah, I’m not stopping, Bart.

    • Juicer77

      Whiney hiney says what?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      To paraphrase that nice actress lady who’s got your client’s nuts in a vice grip: I’ll stop when your client and his evil minions stop harming families!

    • Ann B Watson

      What a great gem for the weekend. Thank you OT8 Bart Dixsluper may now proceed to take that long walk off a short pier….dm fade to black.🖤💛

    • Kestrel

      Dear Bart Dixslurper, Esq., I apologize for my feeble efforts to Joke and Degrade about Scientology and your client, Fleet Enema David Miscavige. I promise to do a better job of it in the future.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Sounds like your client will be needing a lot of this: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8fe044eb116fc76a842d0d295fe113fb262aa0fde2c5a423cba0ceac541bc398.jpg … PS The answer’s still no to the cease and desist 🙂

  • Sherbet

    Fly, were you just in Detroit at the Tigers-Red Sox game? The camera panned by a bearded and capped guy in the upper deck who looked a lot like you.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • WhiteCentauress

      Word really is getting around, but Tony’s right, they just don’t give up.

    • Joe

      At least they were polite? I wonder if they realize that most people feel pity for them.

    • Ann B Watson

      At least Miss Ann did not grab an arm in a death grip and say Come with me, I can show you the secret of life in One Book.I used to do that on Hollywood Blvd in blue polyester shirt dark blue pants and of course sparkly blue eye shadow circa 1974. I did Route a few bodies Lol.Thank you I. Walrus, love this too😘

  • Ann B Watson

    Where to start! Alot of amazing news to savor. Cathy will get her triumphant show to Scotland, hugs to her. Old Ron looks dapper as ever to be trotted out once again to view the ruins of the twisted bridge via The Writers of the Future pr event. And Emily’s dress is gorgeous, too bad Phil and Willie can’t be by her side & have their daughter away from the cult. I have enjoyed Terra’s comments on Mike’s and think the way they are written and expressed is interesting and useful. To answer the question about what will happen with the cult, just my thoughts on this. I believe with all my heart the Cult that is the Church of Scientology will implode under the crushing weight of their high crimes, lies, money grubbing 24/7 via the IAS & shifty doings up in the RTC mountains. All of this will implode. However dm,tc,& the group of celebs,& whales may continue to dance slower and slower with each other in the vacant Clearwater condos last of the OTs forging on to clear this prison planet as darkness descends on their playground. They may linger in the shadows but their power will disapate as early morning mist in the sunshine. Soon they will be elderly & chasing the Glitter OT Ball still,if only in their nightmares.All their real estate lies cold and empty a group with no heart and soul can never inspire hope and renewal in anything or anyone.Thank you Tony.💛

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • WhiteCentauress

      What an unfortunate name, especially in England. Funny, funny find. 😂💦 I predict that she will not receive many “sincere” questions, and will be hiding that glowing acclamation (or blocking people) real soon.

    • Roger Hornaday

      I have a question for Sally: Why are so many scientologists bankrupt from purchasing certificates of status?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      UTRs getting pressured to prove their fealty?

    • Jimmy3

      Being afraid of an ethics violation is a violation itself. Bring this Nutter in for a sec check or two.

    • “Sincere’ in this context means, don’t ask about any of the things I’m not allowed to even talk about (e.g. disconnectio, other mandated abuses, Xenu et al). In other words, pretend it’s all wonderful, just like I have to, or I’ll block you.

  • downtherabbithole

    Happy Spring Time to All…..

    Loving this time of year…. new gardens to be planted are so exciting.

    My first year planting veggies. Hopeful my gardening skills will prove to be more fruitful than my baking skills!!!

    Did have success with one (yes only one) delicious cake.

    Wish me well in my newest task….

    • iampissed

      Just had a bunch of fire fighters in my house, heater thing no big deal. I hear they might like your
      baking rejects…just a thought.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They are always across the street at some electrical fire. Many of them are pretty podgey and you wonder how they’d ever slide down a pole. One would think they’d get charged for not fixing their electrical system. Scares me that it’ll go up one day and burn my house down.

        • iampissed

          Hum…well I had five or six in my house today. They were all over it and they did not leave
          untill they understood what was going on. They showed up in 5 mins and the police were there in less then 2 ……what can I say….my tax dollars at work….and I’m happily.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I love them it’s the house across the street that won’t fix their electrical system. The fire house is 5 mins. from my house. They even take unwanted infants 24/7.

      • downtherabbithole

        It was a flook. I am a non-baker but managed to bake a very good chocolate expresso cake. Will never happen again as I do not like to test fate or my non existent skills

  • downtherabbithole

    Enjoy this bit of happiness. Nothing better than watching our nations symbol from birth http://www.dceaglecam.org/

    • GfldedKim

      E9 in swfl is huge!

      • downtherabbithole

        Love watching these birds and so value what they represent to me.

        • GfldedKim

          It has been so amazing watching her grow! The Mom and Dad are fantastic too.

          • downtherabbithole

            In these freaking crazy times we live in today, it is refreshing to take the time to enjoy the simple things that the world has to offer. Enjoy your day Gflded

            • GfldedKim

              You too! And yes, it is very peaceful to watch them

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’ve been hooked on them again this year. I even got to see DC5 hatch in real time! Mr. President and The First Lady are excellent parents.

      • downtherabbithole

        Sadly I missed the hatching of DC5 in real time.Enjoyed my vacation time with my bestie though, Such choices!!!

    • Jimmy3

      Eagle club on rye. Crispy bacon. No tomato please.

      • iampissed

        No tomato….your high.

      • downtherabbithole

        Jimmy you crack me up & I so love crispy bacon

  • Roger Hornaday

    Let us do some simple math. The church of sci-fi-dollargy has a rather huge overhead. Virtually nobody new is coming in and certainly not for the high-dollar services. The loyal few are in various stages of bankruptcy. The very few rich ones are shouldering a great big financial burden that isn’t going away, isn’t going to get lighter and isn’t making any difference in the dwindling and crashing stats. The church is sliding down an oil slick toward a cliff. I’m calling it ‘finished’ when the church starts selling off its holdings, downsizing and letting staff go.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    OT, but is Mark Bunker OK?. Seems like the last info on him was a release “rough cut” of his film is due out in May of 2016. I realize he’s a one man show, however, I donated a couple of times and it looks like he has some interesting footage. I remember a buddy of mine opened a bar around a bunch of other bars because it would bring in more business. He ended up getting foreclosed on. Isn’t it wise to “strike while the iron is hot” and get it out there before everyone has seen one too many $cion movies? Hope all is ok with you, wise bearded one. Even if he has shit canned the idea as a donor i’d be happy with an update.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    EGADS! Graduation at the Celebrity Centre last night. Do these poor folks look worn out or what? :O
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e086da87ed137396868d7fdfe506e0f8a0bcef18647262dfe987f74576aa7270.png

    • iampissed

      D-Beaner with keys, leatherman on side, pouch for cell phone and what not.
      I’m tired look…yep.
      ETA: Cargo pants…..my look in 1986, when I was 26. Dude what are you going to
      do when you are 55? Go find a good financial planner.
      EETA. You are 55… I really appreciate your black backstage tech look…no really.
      You are giving your retirement money to folks who don’t deserve you. I hate to think
      what you have given in free tech time…this is for Techie and Marc.

    • Noesis

      That’s what one looks like after they’ve been through their 7th Purif and 4th Survival Rundown.

      It’s not really a Golden Age.

    • WhiteCentauress

      They look like prisoners of war. Not kidding this time. 😳

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      This photo looks like a hostage photo where the hostages are holding up signs in English for the world to see. They look exhausted, and the man in particular looks disoriented. Also, what is with the clothes? Aren’t graduations in Scio land at the Celebrity Center affairs where people dress up or at least have nice everyday clothes on? Their clothes look like they just got off a work detail of some kind. Creepy.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, and remember this is the “Celebrity” Centre! SMH

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Higher, HIGHER…fer chrissakes, act like your thetan has some life left in it!”

    • Missionary Kid

      I know it’s the lighting, but those people look like they’re turning into ghosts and fading.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Judging by those “uptone” expressions, they probably wish they were!

    • PRenaud

      “..Come one, we haven’t got all day, photo time, get ready, show your certificates, yeah way up and show us how proud you are…OK and(shooop….) OK next…”

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Those poor people look like zombies.

  • Mick Roberts

    Guys, this is off-topic, but I just finished Tony’s The Unbreakable Miss Lovely. If you haven’t read it yet, you HAVE to get this book and read it, even if you’re not really much of a reader (I’m not either). It was absolutely fascinating (and disturbing). Helluva good book. And he even gives a shout-out to us Bunkerites at the end!

    So now I need some ideas on what to buy next to read. As of now, I’ve read the following:

    Troublemaker
    Ruthless
    Blown for Good
    Beyond Belief
    Inside Scientology
    Going Clear
    The Unbreakable Miss Lovely

    Any ideas on what I need to get next?

    • Todd Tomorrow
      • Noesis

        That’s hilarious.

      • Mick Roberts

        I’m good. Thanks though Todd. :p

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I know but the lulz will make you great! He beats up 3 guys in the first chapter.
          edit: secret hint. If you play the audio version backward you’ll find out where all the bodies are buried. Why Monique dropped her case…

    • Lousy Ratatouille
    • Noesis

      Bare-Faced Messiah provides a foundational understanding of personalities and machinations behind the original hoax.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I would actually read this one next to be honest.

    • iampissed

      I would go for “Blown for Good” but that was my drop down the rabbit hole.

      • Mick Roberts

        Already read that one. Great book.

    • GfldedKim

      Blown for Good or Beyond Belief

      • Mick Roberts

        Already read both of those. Really good look at the Sea Org from the inside

        • GfldedKim

          Oh. Sorry. Misread it…

    • downtherabbithole

      Blown for Good was a really good read. Nancy Many’s book, My Billion Year Contract was good as well. Tony’s Miss Lovely was excellent too.

      I think all the books I have read are very good, as each person has their own interesting & compelling story to share. Thankful they choose to share it with all of us.

      • Mick Roberts

        Haven’t read Nancy Mandy’s yet

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Yes indeed! You absolutely have to read Steve Cannane’s, Fair Game. Excellent writing and a unique look at $cn in its early formative years, through the lens of the Australian $cn movement.

    • Missionary Kid

      Bare-Faced Messiah gives the real history of LRH. A Piece of Blue Sky is good, and Blown for Good is a fun read.

      What you’re dealing with is being like a blind man trying to describe an elephant. All of the books cover different aspects of $cientology. Miss Lovely gives insight into the extent that the evil process of fair game is used, and how LRH started it out.

    • Liberated

      I’m agreeing with MK…Bare-Faced Messiah is an in-depth account of LRon’s early years, his childhood, education, family life and military career.
      When you read this, you see what a liar he was….the guy lied about everything.
      This book will also “enlighten” the reader into his pathological personality.
      After all, LRon was source….so it’s best to go to the source.
      Oh yeah…it really goes into his “black magic” years.

      • Mick Roberts

        Bare-Faced Messiah is available on my Nook, so I’ll get that. Thanks for the suggestion to you and everyone else.

        • chukicita

          Leah’s book is almost fun to read, despite the seriousness of the issue, because you can hear her voice in your head as you read it. Jon Atack’s book is excellent. And Paulette Coopers “Scandal of Scientology,” which I first read in the late 70s.

    • pluvo

      Counterfeit Dreams by Jeffrey Hawkins
      Abuse at the Top by Amy Scobee

      • Mick Roberts

        Counterfeit Dreams I really want to read. Not available on Nook, but will just get an Amazon account and read it online.

    • “Bare Faced Messiah” is still pretty much the essential (and very readable) text about the life of Hubbard, and the story of how Scientology doctrine was little more than a long series of ad hoc responses to internal and external challanges to his absolute power

    • bixntram2

      Absolutely essential:
      Savage Messiah by Russell Miller.
      Let’s Sell Them a Piece of Blue Sky, Jon Atak. Make sure you that specific title, not just “A Piece of Blue Sky”
      I’m reading Leah Remini’s autobiography. In addition to her personal story, she provides great insight into the tech, and deceptiive the audition and the e-meter are.

      One thing more, Mick. I keep thinking ‘I’ve read enough about scientology; I understand it now.’ Well, every book I pick up contains new information. It seems the horror story never ends. Best wishes.

      • Mick Roberts

        Absolutely. Every book I read provides even more insight. It’s amazing.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • onicampioni

    I was recently on staff at an org that I’d rather not name. Stats were in the dirt. In a city of about two million, they had less than 50 people technically on course, a staff that was struggling to recruit people for even a fraction of the org board, and on any given night there were only about ten people in the course room. It was shocking to see how behind the glitz and glam and shiny pamphlets, essentially nothing was happening in this org. I got the distinct feeling that if this is the state of things, only the truest of the true believers will stick around for a group who can’t even get people to show up for courses they already paid for. From where I’m standing, any org that’s not in la or Florida will soon be a ghost town .

    • Thank you for your report and welcome to The Bunker.

    • downtherabbithole

      Best wishes to you. Hoping you find much joy and happiness outside of COS.

      ETA: It really is a wonderful place outside of the COS bubble. It is challenging at times but, there really is good in this world.

      • onicampioni

        Thanks for your kind words. And I agree. Fortunately I already know though. I’ve never been a believer, I’m just a weirdo that joined staff cause I wanted to see how it all worked. Funny how they didn’t catch that on the meter.

        • The meter doesn’t work 🙂

    • iampissed

      Welcome.

    • how long did you last?

      • onicampioni

        I was planning on staying longer but the tech was so boring and time consuming I lasted less than a week. I had been taking a few courses and hanging around a lot before that and when they asked me to be on staff I said fuck it why not? Not the best decision but no harm done

        • Yeah… i have seen many do that… actually a lot 🙂

          • onicampioni

            Haha, good to know I’m not the only one with a somewhat ill advised sense of curiosity

            • It’s common sense. The recruiters will promise you their “Ideal Scene” and everything look cool and for all the right reasons. After a few weeks, reality kicks in and people just leave! Those who stay for years, has been (self ) prepping with LRH books or friends or family , before they sign anything. I remember this dude, came fresh in from the street, signed up for work until he got his first paycheck. Next day he was roaming around the staff trying to convince them to join a workers-union to get the pay up. The next day it was announced at Roll-Call, that he was kicked out because they had sec-checked him and found out that he was a “Plant” or infiltrator, installed by the Evil psychs and he was on drugs 🙂 *lol* they all bought that one!

    • Juicer77

      Welcome! I hope you are able to avoid any Co$ harassment (financial or personal). Thank you for sharing.

      • onicampioni

        I get the feeling things are more intense in some orgs over others. I definitely got sales tactics thrown at me but besides that everyone was basically at least surface level nice.

    • bixntram2

      Welcome, oni, I’m looking forward to reading what you have to say about your recent experiences.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      “LOVE people and understand them????????” LOL

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      He’s a writer who has been criticising Scientology since 1992? It’s Tony, isn’t it 😀

    • WhiteCentauress

      Reposting stories he wrote “years ago” is all he’s got? FAIL!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        He is the same clam that yesterday posted something about wanting to drop his body, but then miraculously he read that SMP-TV is about to start broadcasting, which is a reason to stick around. SMH

        • WhiteCentauress

          I’d like to ask him if that journalist is a Scientologist today. When he sees the SMP programming, he may want to drop his body for sure. I feel sorry for them, because they have nothing left…..probably drained of everything but that last little glimmer of hope.

    • Observer

      What a godforsaken liar.

    • GrangerFX

      “he is in the top 5 major critics of our religion”
      We have rankings? How is that determined exactly?
      Personally, I would love to do a Scientology course if it did not cost me anything. I once went to one of those time share meetings just to see how it worked having first prepared myself by looking at how much “used” timeshares cost. It is fun to ask questions (I was very polite). I still can’t understand how people can be so uninformed that they would overpay three times the going value for what amounts to a contract to pay them maintenance fees endlessly for a vacation rental.

      • chukicita

        Rankings! Who is the top seed in this season’s Critic Bowl?

    • chukicita

      I wonder what this critic wrote between 1992 and his Elronic conversion, where we can read it, and how on Teegeeack a journalist is not an illegal PC.

  • downtherabbithole

    So sad that when the fair skinned northern girl travels to sunny San Diego and uses SPF 50 and still comes home with a sun burn that only highlights her “age spots” – heavy sigh…..

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Kestrel

      Nothing says, “You’re always at my beck and call” like your employer handing you a pager. So much for freedom, much less spiritual freedom.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        What are the chances that the real reason they wear those ugly-ass unfashionable scarves is to cover up electric dog collars around their necks? A little zap here, a little zap there…can work wonders 😉

    • A cell phone might give someone outside access. A pager is just one way and always their way.

      • I’m sure that’s why the Sea Org of Saint Hill Manor use compact cameras to video and ‘intimidate’ protestors instead of cellphones (which almost everyone uses for casual imaging these days).

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Those are the buzzing things they use to let them know it’s their turn on the toilet. I doubt they have change for pay phones. Remember those?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hzDtw1bF6Y

  • Bob

    I get to watch from the inside. And what I see.
    The diehards dying off or becoming invalids. The new people mostly young don’t have a clue and don’t have the intense programming the old timers possess. So they won’t stay in.
    The second generation Scnr is more prone to be exposed to the net and so may be in but is not as insulated and so may be a part time believer when they are around their clam parents or parent.
    There is no doubt that all the media is taking its toll. That combined with the fact that Scientology cannot deliver what it promises pretty much guarantees that the attrition rate will increase at a rapid rate.
    They can have all the money in the world. Lies are lies. And the fact that Hubbard was such a psychopath and now that’s out in the open, doesn’t help.

    • chukicita

      Well said. Thanks for your insight.

      • Bob

        Thank you. Watching Scn implode is a slow painful process. Specially when one has close friends in it.

        • chukicita

          I hope your friends emerge intact. Nobody makes an informed decision to be a Scientologist.

    • I think Scientology is self-limiting in membership, but very persistant at a certain, relatively low, level. This is because Hubbard was so greedy it developed to completely fleece recruits and then either discard them, or use them for very cheap (essentially free) labour.

      Its extreme profitabilty depended on a high turnover, constantly getting rid of people who had had no money left &/or were burnt out, and replacing them with new blood and new money.

      At about the time of Project Chanology, recruitment began to collapse, and they couldn’t do that any more. Miscavige, who had learned at the feet of the master, was unthinkingly wedded to the idea that monetary income is indicator of success (and still is). Consequently, he has pointlesly accumulated so much money as to shatter IRS rules about spending what you make on your charitable purpose – Scientology’s financial reserve is absurdly excessive.

      To keep the money coming in, Miscavge was forced to put even more extreme finaicial pressure on existing members (e.g. all those sales drives for the ‘The Basics’) and to cultivate the ‘whales’.

      Hubbard’s ‘high turnover’ tactic ceased to be sustainable when the advent of the Internet made it impossible for the CofS to suppress the truth about its SOP. Hubbard also left a legacy of ‘bitter apsotates’ who could now organise anonymously, via the Inernet. Micavige’s replacement tactic never was sustainable – it kept the gold coming in by alienating and bankrupting the shrinking numbers of golden geese.

      For some time now, the CofS has depended by its cash reserves. It’s still able to buy, intimidate and deter its way out of legal and tax liability (with increasing use of mercenaries). How long they will be able to keep this up when they they enter their ‘religious organisation without members’ phase (which will be soon) is crucial.

      • Bob

        I agree. The phase of dwindling membership is rapidly escalating. How long Miscavige can keep up the facade without cracking will be interesting.

  • downtherabbithole

    Good night everyone. Wishing you all a wonderful evening (or morning if on the other side of the globe). I am off to eat the cheese cake from the local bakery. Oh can it get any better than this, yum, yum , yummy.

    • PRenaud

      manum manum cheese cake…

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Hi everyone.. This is BABY .. Guess who I am visiting..? First time I’ve driven since Xmas ..got Dr’s OK .. Had slumber party and stayed up with Rev. Mama Dee until 6am … So much fun ..and finally a drink or two..

    first time since Christmas other than the Drs and surgery I have left the house.. . Woo Hoo I have my freedom back. Still the energy of a gnat, but Meh.. considering what the Dr.’s thought I had
    and what I ended up having ..

    I will take being tired. So life is finally coming together and I can start really living again.. I will just take a pillow with me.. ha.. Love you guys.

    Just want to let you know that I out of time and don’t have access to my computer.. xoxo baby

    • PRenaud

      Gee Dee don’t know you but I sure wish you well.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        It’s Baby PRenaud.. I’m staying with Dee and using her computer.. xo

    • Kestrel

      I’m so glad you – Baby – are well enough to drive and be out and about. And not a little jealous you can spend time with Rev. Mama Dee.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Thanks Kes… I feel so much better .. between the Cipro, Gall Bladder And other issues that would be too much TMI it is a new lease on life. I was getting such cabin fever I was getting bitchy.. I know that comes as a surprise..hahhahaa

        Mac was ready for me to visit Rev. Mama.. You should be jealous.. She’s cooking pork chops now.. and waiting on me hand and foot.. What’s not to love.. xo

        • Kestrel

          Jealousy level now pegging eleven…

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            hahahhahahaha and Ice Cream CONE for dessert.. Color me spoiled.. I was ready to be babied.. Mac was wearing thin. ha

            I yelled at him the other day to ” STAY IN PRESENT TIME! ” He’s like.. “Is that an Ortega expression? Cause I don’t like it..”

            Bawhhhahahahhahahhahahahhahahaah I laugh every time I think of his face as he flounced out of the room.

    • salin

      (((Baby))) glad your are pushing the boundaries between what I you couldn’t, and what you can now test out and try out and then do. Also glad that you are visiting with Dee – bet the conversations are a blend of deep reflection and outbursts of ongoing laughter. Dr. couldn’t prescribe better medicine.

      Sending Love – guessing by the time you see this I will be back off line – but doesn’t matter the delayed intervals of communication – that we connect (even if at disjointed times) is what is important. Sending hugs, and appreciation. xoxo.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Oh sweetie.. I saw that you upvoted and hoping you would post.. So good to see my piglet. Yes, you are right I am testing now.

        We haven’t gotten to the deep reflection yet..hahhahaha but laughing yes.. she is the best medicine in the world. Nurturing mother’s love is what I need. She is so nurturing.

        I wish I could post a picture of Piglet and Pooh to you, but alas I don’t know Dee’s computer.. but close your eyes and you’ll see one.

        Hugs and appreciation to you too sweet salin. You post when you want .. and we always pick up where we left.. love baby ..xoxoxoxox

        • Lots of love to you, Dee and Salin. That’s a threefer greeting.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            threefer fer shur xo love to you R2D2..xo

    • Ann B Watson

      What a Joy to see this BABY. Love Hugs Laughter & Light to two Stars. 💛💛⭐️⭐️

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Well hello there sweet Annie fannie..💛💛⭐️⭐️ Rev Mama is a star.. I’m just a comet..hahhhahahhahahaha ..I’m getting ready for my ice cream.

        • Ann B Watson

          Ice Cream with a Comet! Heavenly!! 💛💛

        • Ann B Watson

          Ice cream with a Comet! Heavenly!💛

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      It’s Baby! Love you and Mama. I hope you two are behaving!

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Hi sweet Blondie..We love you too honey.. Rev. Mama is doing dishes while I sit watching her..hahhahahha She won’t let me do a thing.

        I felt guilty for a nano second, but am getting quite used to it. ha xo love me

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Yes, we are, haha

    • chukicita

      BAYBEH! I am sorry you are tired but you on cruise control is probably like everyone else’s normal metabolic state. Love you, and keep Rev Dee out of trouble, oh, wait…

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Love you too sweet Chuck.. REV Dee and I together spell trouble.. Come meet us tomorrow.. xo

        • chukicita

          Aw! I wish I could, but I can’t play today. And I know…pffffft!

    • You shouldn’t be inside Dee Dee, Baby! please come out now!

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        OMG hahhhaa.. Dice you are so silly..

        • Is that you Tony?

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Yess.. I am Tony.. haha

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      xoxo

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        aww thanks Kay.. xoxoxo

    • Rasha

      BABEH!!!! …… on Dee’s computer!

      very drink so slumber party!!!!!1

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Hahhaha… Rashie.. last night yes..Tonight.. NO! Recovering.. Plus I did too much.. which was fun.. but I overdid it.. ( Not drinking) but just driving and keeping up with Rev. Mama..

        That woman can move.. Jeeze.. energy level low, but it was so worth it!

        • Rasha

          ^_^ #shnuggles#

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hello, Baby Dee! ; )

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        HI 5 …smooches

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Double smooches back to Mama B and Mama Dee!

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Awwwww 5 .. xo

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I wanted to add.. as Baby .. Phil and Willie..it must cause you pangs in your heart to see a photo of Emily.. she really is beautiful.. sigh.. One day.. xo

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    The difference between 2017 and 1977 is this… the Internet. The light of day has finally been shining on this evil soul destroying organization. The collapse of the evil thing called scientology is inevitable and assured.

    We are living in the times of the death throes of the sick fantasy hatched out of the mind of paranoid, second-rate pulp fiction writer.

    To all those still in it, its probably best to pack in and distance yourself. Despite his money and position, I would never, ever want to be in the shoes of David Miscavige right now. His walls are closing in, and history will judge him and his actions harshly.

    • Kestrel

      One can only hope.

  • nottrue

    Leah having a little fun…..https://youtu.be/Bmei_V4AuNM

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Uh-oh, I just checked out the new CO$ website WhoisBillyJoel and according to spokeswoman Karin Pouw – Billy Joel DID Start the Fire! 😉

      • WhiteCentauress

        What? When? Where?

        • April

          Gathering information to write a knowledge report? ;D

          • WhiteCentauress

            Just trying to find out about Billy Joel, a fire, and a hate site.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Sorry, that was just a little J&D on my part. Every time someone ticked off the CO$ they would create a hate website with the WhoIs (fill in the blank with an SP name – MikeRinder, MartyRathbun, PaulHaggis, etc).com URL, filled with over-the-top, made up accusations. Just like the Leah Aftermath CO$ hatesite that they have now. Because of Joel’s the concert appearance with the evil SP Leah…
              And the fire bit is a take-off on his song “We Didn’t Start The Fire”.

              https://youtu.be/eFTLKWw542g

          • WhiteCentauress

            Never wrote one, never will. 😉 Just wanted to find out if Billy Joel is a Scientologist or an SP, or what’s going on, and why they have a hate site up. Nothing they do makes sense to me. They just don’t think like normal people.

            • April

              I’m pretty sure IG was making a joke and there’s no hate website. “We didn’t start the fire” is a line from one of Billy Joel’s songs.

    • This interpretive dance is much more fun than Writers of The Future ones.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      So much fun!

    • gtsix

      I loved that song… and this vid. Laughing at the office on a monday morn. Thanks nottrue.

  • Observer

    OT: a 70s song that holds up well today, imo, and which I love just as much as I did when it came out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9nkzaOPP6g

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I love ELO! I takes me immediately back to long, long journeys across Europe, mum and my sister fast asleep, dad and I singing along quietly to ELO. Wonderful memories 🙂

      • My post about George Harrison led to a long convo with a houseguest about how much we loved The Traveling Willburrys as a gathering of equals who just wanted to have fun. Jeff Lynn is an underappreciated musical genius.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Another great (super) band, Artoo!

    • Robert Ramsay

      Still waiting for this to come around again. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n3yf4

  • outraged

    Speaking of the long term effects of emotional abuse by cults, there are words I still have a hard time using.
    To this day. After decades away from the cult that captured/enraptured me. (Lifespring)

    The ridicule the yelling the repetitive down grading of words like “try” or “can’t” has made it impossible for me to use them. As if there is a force field slowing me down to molasses and my brain has to find another path.

    It’s scary. Similar to PTSD residues from war or childhood.

    • chukicita

      I was never even in, but I read so much Hubbard that I take great pains to avoid words he abused, such as “fully.”

      • WhiteCentauress

        Or anything ending in “-ness”

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Fullyness.

          • WhiteCentauress

            Beingness 😜

      • outraged

        Oh yeah. Be. Here. Now.

        And there was:

        Know what you don’t know. or something like that. 🙂

    • These words were victims too. They existed before and exist now. While the cults vanish.

      • ExCult.Jan

        That’s a powerful perspective, Dodo.

        • How I feel from living it.

          • ExCult.Jan

            And how I experience you sharing your pure insight. Thanks!

      • outraged

        I dont’ understand, you’re joking right? lol.

        I was traumatized. Words cannot feel, we give them meaning.

        • I think dodo means something like “The truth is the first victim of a war”

        • Words and humans can be manipulated and redefined.
          Yet they can stay original.

    • My biggest problem has always been to slow down. Not physically but in my head. I keep telling myself to slow down and one thing at the time and there is a day tomorrow etc. I can sit in a chair, doing nothing and feel the stress of all the things i supposedly have to do. It get’s better and i don’t have to save the world.

      One thing might still spook around and that is his definition of Overt’s of Omission – Don’t even go there!

      • outraged

        I have lectured myself on that forever. THe critical voice in my head says “it’s never good enuf.” I call that voice Phyllis, my mothers middle name.

        I always loved this song. Even in my early youth I sensed the destruction of self abuse.
        tbh: it still makes me cry. FOr the young outraged, alone in nyc, under the thumb of a cult.

        https://youtu.be/oZdiXvDU4P0

        • I talk to my Cat all the time 🙂 and now it knows everything about BitCoins!
          Yes the Perfection and “by the book” etc.. can drive me nutz and everyone around me!
          Just stop analyzing people and the Ruin-finding can be a challenge

          • outraged

            Ruminating creates grooves in the brain, jumping out and off always works. Makes new patterns.

            I believe expressing emotions is very healthy as long as not directed against someone. Crying, laughing, anger. It’s the brain that always gets in the way and makes things up.

            • Yeah.. i been reading some stuff about this. The brain is not a “static” It can change and learn new things.. Just takes time and that’s basically all i have left. Time!

  • Liberated

    Anyone heard from Frodis73 ?

    • Mick Roberts

      Haven’t in the past few days. Either in the Bunker or on Twitter for that matter.

    • i have seen her on twitter a few days ago

      • Liberated

        Speaking of twitter…I had no idea you were a ” pastafarian ”

        Spaghetti monster….ha ha !

        • Ha ha!… It’s my new Belief “System” Now i can call Scientologist for Bigots and Haters 🙂

          • Liberated

            I respect your religion.
            I do like pasta.

    • Robert Eckert

      Some RL difficulties, but I have pledged to get her to HowdyCon

  • WhiteCentauress

    Any news on how Joy Villa’s Free Signing went? I’m very nosy.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Downlines there is a complaint from someone that sent in his money but never got his Joy wristband. I’d love to have gone and heckled her.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Where would one look for an unbiased report?

        Edited: to report that by their own count, 47 people showed up.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      She served food from “Trump Grill.”

      How do YOU think it went after that?

  • Rasha

    …okay… just back from an evening with the next-door neighbors… tummy full of happy, head full of wine, and a hand full of scratches from sparring with the cat. Seriously, there are so many red lines on my hand, but it’s all about play – she’s really sweet and very cat.

    You guys haven’t been commenting while I was gon — oh… apparently so. Okay, lemme start reading……

    • Now don’t try that at the Zoo?

      • Rasha

        …good advice…. -_^

      • Rasha

        I have found that, when sparring with a cat, the worst thing to do is pull away out of fear. They don’t mean damage – oh, you’ll get some stripes, holes, and adrenaline moving, but really you just need to match their rhythm. They’re raw experience.

        • What kind of Cat are we talking about here?

          • Taffy Sinclair
            • The Scio Cat! It needs a touchassist – i can tell

            • Taffy Sinclair

              He really does! My allergies have gotten worser over the yearses, so I cannot pet him like I could before. I must be pulling it it….

            • You do know there is a “Tech” for pulling things out? – Dentist knows about this.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Yes. Dental extraction. But that’z just MEST. What are your crimes, Dicey McGee???

            • All the crimes i omitted to do?

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Overts/withholds/&omittz!!! Spill it all, Dicey!!!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Oh, nothing to say?? CLEARly, you raped a baby w/ Jenna Elf-thing.

              Turrible, just turrible…. lolz!!

            • Liberated

              Who is Jenna to judge ?
              She blows horses !

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Are you implying horses are not thetans?? Are they not capable of out 2-D???

            • Liberated

              Well…yeah but they’re equine wogs.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Then they’re out 2-H 🙂 Sorry,,, 4-H!!

            • Liberated

              Ha !

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I’m watching!!! 😉

            • Liberated

              New SNL is on….Louis CK.

            • On Twitter Scientologist calls me a Rapist! Then i call them Idiots, then they call me Bigots! Then i block them!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I’d consider that a compliment!! 😉

            • Yes… my Religion is bigger than theirs! Even in Ireland 🙂

            • Taffy Sinclair

              You a Pastafarian? A Jedi? Or a straight-up catholic?

            • a straight-up pasta guy

            • Taffy Sinclair

              NICE!!!

            • Liberated

              Which sect are you ?

              There’s ziti..tortellini…penne..macaroni….angel hair….corkscrew…fettuccine….linguine..

              Make up your mind man !

            • ahh! good question. More like a noodle i think

            • Liberated

              Ha ..give it some thought and get back to me.

            • Okie Dokey… you put the kettle on then!

            • Liberated

              Now that sounds like fun… hygge fun ?

            • it is very cozy on twitter and there are many BT’s we are trying to cool down! Scientology abuses Body Thetan’s and been torturing them with Vulcan’s you know

            • thetastic

              I tried that tech as a teen. The pill is more reliable.

            • Rasha

              He needs TUMMEH RASPBERREH ASSIST!!! PBBBRRBBPPPTT!!!!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              We gotta get this cat converted to Judaism, STAT!! A word Dr. Joan doesn’t know due to her way of treating Lisa McP!!! Piece of shit that she is.

            • Thanks! Now i need a Nerve assist

            • JJ

              I’ve done that to a cat…I don’t recommend it… they are easily offended and they have long memories…

        • Liberated

          My own cat bit me so bad once I had to go to the emergency and have intravenous antibiotics.

          I found him when he was about a year old, brought him in and gave him a good home, but someone had treated him badly and he would occasionally flip out and go crazy.

          For some reason it would only happen when we were outside at the same time.
          I still have scars.
          I’ve realized how an animal is treated when they’re young is the most important thing.

          His name was Bob….he was still a good boy. He died in 2013.

          • Rasha

            …actually, Leila was not treated well, either, but has adjusted. She still has a few quirks but I luv her.

            So happy that you gave Bob love and that he had a warm home. He was lucky. =^_^=

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Thats normal. Bless you for loving him!!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          My solution has always been to have at least two cats so they can go raw on each other.

          Wait, before anyone gets any weird ideas, that is so not what I meant.

          • Rasha

            =^_^=

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Kitty!!

          • hmm?

    • Jimmy3

      Cats are violent. Proof.

      • Rasha

        Yesssss…… LUV ‘EM!!!

        • Jimmy3

          They should all be locked up in animal prison

          • Rasha

            *pupils dilate*

            • Jimmy3

              Don’t go cat on me

            • Rasha

              #^_^# ….mew

          • thetastic

            Word. How does Alfred Hitchcock do a movie about birds and not cats? Opportunity missed.

            • Jimmy3

              Cats actually funded that as a propaganda piece in order to allow them to eat birds without fear of repercussion or justice. Trufax.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Did I ever tell you the story of how a bunch of catbirds organized a coordinated divebomb of one of my cats who used to terrorize them in their own trees? It was epic. And though I loved her dearly, she 100% deserved it.

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah when my dog was bit by a carpenter bee I laughed at him and said it was his fault. You really have to go out of your way for those things to screw with you. They’re not aggressive at all.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Crap, my dog eats bees, too. And every time, he regrets it. And every time thereafter, he forgets it.

        • You know where those claws have been, right?

          • Rasha

            …she should be aware of where mine have been….

            • You don’t poop in a box.

              That I’m aware of.

            • Rasha

              No, but I do cook with hot peppers…..

            • XD

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Rashafarianism dictates you MUST poop in a box, lest you be out-ethics. Read a book, yo!

            • Rasha

              Must… Pay… Attention!!!!!!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Yes, Sir!!! I also have a KR for you! Jenna Elf-thing raped 3 babies!!! Send that slut to the RPF’s RPF!!

            • Rasha

              …I meant me, but…. YEAH!!!!

            • JJ

              But did the babies pull it in?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        You know all the cats heard that, right? You sure you wanna go to sleep tonight?

        • Jimmy3

          Time to inflate Decoy Jimmy. Don’t ask why I have him.

        • thetastic

          I knew it! I knew there were no sincere cat lovers, just those that fear them.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            We call it “revere.”

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Don’t get me started on Scientology Cat.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Phsshhhaww!!! Yr pulling it in. what r yr crimes?

  • Ahmed Alsheiki

    I always think it’s the end but it never is. First there was Katie leaving Tom, then The Master, Leah Remini’s series and of course, all the endless defections. I guess they’ll survive because they have so much money but I don’t see them recruiting new members or growing. Anyone ignorant enough to join the cult deserves it as there is just far too much accessible information for this religion to seem like a good idea. I give it 10 years.

    • Good points. Welcome.

    • I take issue with the issue of deserving. Nobody “deserves” the dark side of Scientology. How much information is available about smoking? Do people who get lung cancer “deserve” it? That reflects a rather cruel, Calvinistic viewpoint.

      • Jimmy3

        That’s never been proven to me. And I don’t even believe there is such a person as “surgeon general” either. You mean to tell me there’s some doctor out there walking around with a George Washington hat? And if there is, why should anyone trust him?

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Davy Misscarriage deserves the worst. How Bow Dat?? Cash me ouhside!

    • JJ

      It probably can’t ever “end” but it sure as hell is gonna have a hard time building it self up to anywhere near the inflated numbers it claims it has. There is a place for Scientology in the world but not the place they had in 1960,70, or even 90.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Guess who’s going on vacation in 2 weeks??? Miss Taffeta St. Claire!!!! You know it!!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Vegas, correct? Did you decide you where you are staying? I work there a few days a month.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Wow, good memory Todd!! Are you OSA, lolz!!!

        But yes, we picked a place. Vegas, indeed!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I meant a place to stay in Vegas?

          • Taffy Sinclair

            I know!! Sorry if it sounded otherwise. I like you, Todd.

      • Jimmy3

        How’s the hookin’ biz?

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Sassy!!

          • Jimmy3

            TT knows I’m just fuckin with him.

            But not like that.

            • Jimmy3

              Can’t afford his rate

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Our work( gambling related) apartment is just a few blocks off the strip. Our last place wasn’t very safe so I suggested we move into a more secure location. My first day I was in the new place I walked by the pool and to my amazement it was all full of both male and female strippers. Must have been only 50 degrees and these creatures of the night were still trying to naturally tan their leathery skin. Most all have killer bodies but it goes to show what you can cover up with makeup. The rent isn’t high and the flats are mediocre but security is very high. Management says prostitution or drug use will not be tolerated according to my business partner who signed the lease. Many of the guys are from Australia and dance with a group called, Thunder from Down Under. Went to one of their barbies once, https://www.thunderfromdownunder.com/

  • itsIBBy

    Do I think the church is imploding? Unfortunately no. Dismantling the money stores is almost impossible. So I fight for the scientologists themselves. To end disconnection, to get people their money back, to reunite families, etc. I believe the majority of scientologists are decent people believing they’re doing good. Expose the underbelly and hope people see the truth

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFp9Y8IvEpo
    Joy, stealin’ people’s money who sent it in to buy her insipid wristband.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Am I allowed to say the “C” word here??? Tell me if it is off-limitz

      • Jimmy3

        Woooo boy. That’s a can of worms that’s been opened several times.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Oh my, I best not then!!!

          • Todd Tomorrow

            No we were not allowed to curse for a bit but then $cientology called us a “hate group” and google dropped our asst. in funding. Now we can call Joy a cunt.

            • Jimmy3

              It was actually Google that dropped the bunker from AdSense. Several pages were reported as violations of their policy. And we can all guess who was behind that.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I didn’t proof read and just changed it. Google Assholes.

            • Jimmy3

              I mean you were mostly right.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              The birds, obviously.

            • OOkpik

              I said I was sorry!

            • Rasha

              …you said “Joy”

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I lived in Brazil for many years. A hotel is what it sounds like. A Motel is a place you rent by the hour with hidden parking. “Joy Villa, sounds like one of the names of one of the sleazier motels.

            • Rasha

              I knew there was something about that name that made me giggle…..

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Then I will. CUNT!!! JOY VILLA IZ A CUNT!!!

        • Rasha

          Dammit. I said “cat” like 5 times today…. So sorry…..

          • Jimmy3

            Violence isn’t tolerated here, Rasha. You should know better.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Um, in Rashafarianism, Rasha is THE “David Miscavige” figure. Rasha can say, do, and violate ANYTIME to ANYONE!!!

              I, personally, practice Freezone Rashafarianism, a sect of a sect. I’m an apostate. But Rasha IZ source!!

            • Jimmy3

              I’m indie Rasha, remember? I can practice Rasha without her totalitarian oppression.

            • Rasha

              …strong legal threats to follow….

            • Rasha

              …it’s called “religious freedom.”

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Until you send them chipmunk busta’s!!!

            • Liberated

              I’m total cause over MEST

              Matter ..Energy…Space..and Tabbies

              bad joke…bad joke.
              sorry

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Um, GOOD joke! Cat joke!!

              I’m a blue terrorist. Russian Blue!!! get it? lol cheezy, I know

            • Rasha

              TABBEHS!!!

            • Rasha

              There is that ecclesiastical privilege…

            • Taffy Sinclair

              My mistake. RPF, here I’m comes!!!!

            • Rasha

              =^_^=

            • Rasha

              Then I’d better break out the catnip and throw sardine-flavored pellets all over the pla apologize…

      • Mick Roberts

        “Clam”?

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Close, but no Kool ciggarette…..

          • Taffy Sinclair

            unless you wanna bum one from me..

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Of course. Everyone here loves cookies.

      • JJ

        Lord and Lady Cuntington see nothing wrong with being announced in respectful tones when entering the grounds…

        I think it may be a free speech thing. When i am po.d i say Jesus H Fucking Christ, I imagine that pisses a lot of people off. What of it. It is part of being in the “public” sphere, you don’t get everything your way and you meet a lot of different kinds of people. When you are offend you ca say so but really, it is your own issue. I feel offended about one thing or another pretty much all my life, it’s no ones problem but mine.
        S’a interesting topic, the things not protected are sedition and overt threats, and yelling fire in crowded spaces and all, I even wonder at those. Why should ANY set of words, syllables breathed out into the air be “illegal”. I know the safety reasons for it but it sounds crazy…
        like it is making something undone a crime, the potential of a crime is illegal. That sounds weird, there are so many thing you have to have actually done before you get arrested but some things to even speak about can do the trick.

      • OOkpik

        At the risk of being tarred and re-feathered…

        Why would you want to use a word that is so highly offensive to most people on a blog that is as widely read and respected as the Bunker?

        For me personally it’s a loaded term that crosses the line, just as the “N” word does — and I could make a mechanic blush. 🙂 Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. When all is said and done, I guess it comes down to a personal choice.

    • If she want her followers to join her, we should send her with the next shuttle to the Moon

      • Todd Tomorrow

        OT, but are her and her husband actually uber wealthy clams or is that her just sneaking into pictures again?

        • John Prince

          I don’t get her motives either. .if she’s already given six-figure amounts to co$, why is she begging wogs to invite her for a “meet&greet” at their homes on social media? something smells very clammy here. .

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Don’t forget the complaint below about her taking someone’s cash and didn’t get his Joy wristband.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I hope the wealthy clams get their minds right!!! And decide to NOT DONATE for awhile…

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I’m laughing my ass off!!! That is insane!!

        • Not sure.. but i was told, this Torsten is somewhat providing her with the cash and i really don’t believe it is much. Like most WISE Scientologist they have so many projects going on at the same time so it’s impossible to get a clear shot at where and how he is paying for all this PR. She just attested Clear some weeks ago. She do not cash in on the Chirch that’s for sure! So my take on this, is that they are financially struggling and running some PR business like JAW & GEM. This couple is however way more good at this than JAW & GEM.. (I hope JAW see this) *Giggle*

    • John Prince

      “Bring cash” she says, eh? a real micro-elron, isn’t she? Banking on the stupidity of the Commonfolk (Wogs)

      • Todd Tomorrow

        trump supporting wogs/$cions.

  • thetastic

    My god, phil, she looks just like you. She’s beautiful, your girl.

    • Ann B Watson

      She is beautitul, Emily be the same on the Inside, Call your Parents & break one chain around you.💔

  • lori banister

    All of you disconnected parents, children, brothers, sisters, friends aaaaaccckkkk. I am so sorry. Phil and Willie, seeing the pictures of Emily must be so nice, but so hard. She is lovely. I am so sorry this is happening to all of you. I am a parent missing a child, and I want to kick their asses for keeping families in fake, non-existent conflict over bullshit written by a hack. I am so sorry and I send you all my best.
    (Obs, the Howdycon shoops are fab. )

  • Taffy Sinclair
    • JJ

      I’m just agreeing, and it is more than skin deep…

    • TheKremlinCandidate

      Let’s clear the planet with cruise missiles…

      Do you think Hubbard would risk WWIII with Russia, communist or not?

    • Snippy_X

      Neither of them are wearing their wedding rings. Hmm.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Mystery solved! Despite promising to come on back to Teegeeack to finish clearing these poor Earth people, Elron’s reincarnation as a little Buddha has just not occurred, causing many true believer $cilons to wonder, “WTF, Elron, where are you!?”

      It’s now clear that upon dropping his body in the early 80’s, instead of wasting all those years in a child’s body, he just chucked Twump’s thetan out of his and really kicked things into high gear after that!

      So, you just watch, when the time is right Elwrong Twump is going to make $cientology great again…and this time he’s got a real nuclear-armed navy to do it with !

      • Ann B Watson

        🌋🥀💰💸💣🌩❤️💛❤️🌅 Thank you Harpoona.Thrills, Chills & No Nuclear spills, wait I wonder if that darn Volcano will awaken but instead of kicking All us Thetans out lol it will suck all the ones stuck to dm and dm back in! Karmic Vacuuming in reverse.

    • bixntram2

      Nope. I see arrogance and maybe a touch of spite in the face on the left. In the face on the right I see pure smirking evil – in the eyes asnd the mouth.

    • Jgg2012

      LRH said that he would return to Earth as a politician.

  • John Prince

    I’d wager that the Internet is a crucial factor in the downfall and inevitable implosion of elron’s evil con known as scientology..if some scilon in Buttfuckistan steps in shit ,there’s a Bunker tipster right there to document it and expose to the World what’s really happening in the Clampire. They simply CAN’T cover their tracks anymore. Let the wrong Son or Daughter of some highly influential Federal Judge or Politician fall prey to their shell game and see if the Feds don’t get stung into Action! I,myself, am still hoping that a Woman’s Scorn is what does them in..(where’s Shelly ,huh? Why DID you make Laura De Abort her Child? what about Amy’s suprising e-mail? )

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpNIuNk0CFA Masterson makes trashy internet lists.

  • OOkpik

    Good morning, Monkey.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There’s a monkey?

      • OOkpik

        Good morning, DDD.
        Yes, with Nut$ !

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        *waves*Hi there! 🙂

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Yoo hoo!

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Morning, OOk 🙂

      • Kestrel

        Good morning, MonkeyNut$.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Hi Kestrel 🙂

  • John Prince

    Mike Rinder knows what he’s talking about all right! ..scio’s Mountain of Cash is looking more and more appetizing to a New Generation of Hungry Lawyers who have much less respect for the clampire. .the Vultures are circling the Carcass, I say. .the louder the Critics get, the weaker their response seems to be.
    Tick-tock captain pissypants 😎

    • OOkpik

      “Don’t call me Captain.”
      eta: “And it’s Pissypants, SIR!!!!”

  • LittleRedSongbird

    Christian Science amassed tons of wealth and they still have it, but as a church they’re effectively dead. Same with the Christadelphians. So while Scientology may not disappear entirely, it will disappear effectively. There will be so few members that it will eventually get rolled into some other organization.

  • Florville

    It depends on what you mean by “survive.” The Shiloh Fellowship survives in Iowa long after the death of its founder, John Robert Stevens, but in drastically diminished form. Mother Divine recently died – she lasted 52 years after the death of Father Divine, living in a mansion and maintaining her lifestyle by selling commercial properties. Both of these groups have something in common – assets that will keep them going. In the case of Shiloh, farmland – in the case of the Divine Ministry, an eclectic array of businesses. David Miscavage is now investing Scientology money in Orlando real estate. Bad idea? Or – a great game of “long ball?”

  • tammi oh tammi

    In terms of survival of Scientology Miscavige has done exactly the right thing, which is to say amass a huge pile of cash and real estate. At this point in the game wealth is way more important than dissemination. Miscavige has secured the future of Scientology and will go down in its history as a great leader. As for the tax exempt status, it would take a miracle for it to be revoked.

  • ithilien

    not going anywhere. too much money too much ego too brainwashed slaves. until they all die or the religious recognition is changed, will linger on like a wasting disease

  • ADs

    I posted a couple of days ago that I was recently in Clearwater and took some photos of the Scientology buildings on Ft. Harrison street. I hope it’s ok that I share them here. If not, please let me know and I will remove them. I thought readers here might find them interesting. The dead street shown below is where their Criminon, Narconon, The Way to Happiness, etc. offices are housed. We were in that area three different times, two of which were during the middle of a work day (11:00 am) and it was dead. Second photo is said offices, third photo is very likely where T.C. is supposed to be building/ buying a penthouse.

    The Flag center never looked particularly busy either. The largest group of people we saw at any time was a group of three walking down the street. A few other individuals here and there, but nothing that looked like a large group spending any time availing themselves of their services.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1bc4cb6da1d87a01678e95a52053a10a14ebc39c8f449b868127a864dec98900.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8cced51481a08d3bc9bb9dc77bd5327d395cf6ce5077e831943a8471c75c8a7e.jpg
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  • Want to know how the Church is doing? Why not visit their Inglewood Ideal Org as I did? The IRS would not be pleased with what we found!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aPAV_JWtok

    • Jgg2012

      Very spacious and quiet.

  • Park58

    So the highest priority, to dismantle CoS, is to pursuade the IRS to remove its tax-exempt status. That’s a hell of a tall order. I’m not sure how it works, but I presume merely having a system of belief and way of worship/practicing is enough to qualify as a “religion” legally?

  • Rebecca Estep

    After weighing all the evidence I’ve seen and read, I would say that if Scientology survives the 21st century, it would be very surprising. I get the impression that it is somewhat behind the curve. I mean, just now getting their own TV network on cable? Seriously? That is so 1990’s.