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Scientology’s gateway drug: The personality test and what it’s actually telling you

 
Rod Keller examines Scientology’s gateway drug — the personality test!

Recent articles in the New Statesman, in Australia, and The Tab join the dozens of articles over the years that describe the experience of completing Scientology’s free personality test, the Oxford Capacity Analysis. None yet discuss the “correct” answers, although they have been available on the Internet for years.

The test consists of 200 questions, the answer to each being yes, no, or maybe. Each answer is awarded from 1 to 7 points which are assigned to one of 10 categories: Stability, Happiness, Composure, Certainty, Active, Aggression, Responsibility, Correct estimation, Appreciation or Communication level. The answer “maybe” never has more points assigned than either “yes” or “no,” so each question has a “correct” answer that will lead to a higher score.

The test is available in person or online, although the results are only available in person at a Scientology org or mission. The Oxford Capacity Analysis, or OCA, is unrelated to Oxford University. It was copied and modified by L. Ron Hubbard in the 1950s from the Johnson Temperament Analysis (JTA), a test developed in 1941 by eugenics professor Dr. Roswell H. Johnson.

 

[sample JTA test results]

[sample OCA test results]

The OCA is one of Scientology’s primary recruiting tools. A former staff member says, “The person is told what the test says about them (bearing in mind that this is what they think of themselves – not what others think of them) and whatever the issues are, they’re then told ‘Scientology can help with that.’ The person is shown whatever Div 6 service would be best to handle their ‘issues’ (like the Communication Course, one of the Life Improvement courses or Dianetic Auditing).”

Test results may have a flower symbol on one of the data points to indicate there is an inconsistency in the results. “It’s a false state and is not actually what is depicted on the graph. Or it’s a serious situation needing addressing urgently (like suicide risk). The person is saying they can communicate easily, or they work well and are really busy and operate at a high level of activity. But the points next to it or traits that correlate with it don’t add up or match it. Often it indicates a manic way of operating. So the person thinks they’re very busy, but in actual fact they aren’t. Something may be forcing this person to be active but it’s not their normal level of operation and they’re fudging it to get through and prone to outbursts of severe anger because of the stress.”

However, the test is outdated, with questions about train timetables and the “modern ‘prisons without bars’ system.” It can never be updated because of Scientology’s prohibition on altering the writings of Hubbard. A low literacy level can also be a problem. “There are specific instructions that under no circumstances may anyone explain a question to the testee. Unless you are pretty well educated those questions are hard to grapple with. Even the English and sentence structure would be alien to a lot of people these days. I used to just go through the motions of letting a person fill in the test but then I generally ignored the results as they were useless. I would get the graph, show it to the person and then ask them questions and let them tell me what they thought. Ninety percent of people know what is needed and if you offer them a solution to that problem, they will jump at it.”

The former member now feels the test contradicts one of the fundamental instructions of Scientology. “It was absolutely forbidden to ‘evaluate’ for a person (tell them what is wrong with them). LRH went on and on about this and how this was where the field of Psychology and Psychiatry went wrong, telling the person what was wrong with them. It was supposed to be through auditing and training that the person themselves has the ‘cognition’ of what the problem was. For me, the OCA test belied everything Scientology was supposed to do – get the person to originate what the problem is as opposed to telling them what their problem is.”

Scientologists continue to take the test as they progress up Scientology’s Bridge to Total Freedom. “You take this test numerous times. It’s supposed to be done before and after every major auditing action or level – the idea being that the graph will show improvement and a raising of the various characteristic levels to ‘desirable levels.’ Throughout my Scientology life I probably did in excess of 50 OCA tests. I got so good at it that all my readings were always on the top of the graph. Of course I knew what the ‘desirable’ answers were because I’d marked so many. Anyone who’s done the test more than 10 times is no longer being truthful and the test is not an accurate measure of the state of the mind of the person.”

Scientology uses the test in other settings as well with people who are not considering becoming a member. The Narconon drug rehab program administers the test as a before/after confirmation that the patient improved during their stay. The World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE) administers the test to prospective employees to identify those with high “outflow.” Performia (formerly known as U-MAN) is a WISE consulting company that administers the test, which they call the “Exec-U-Test.” They sell software that scores the test, and have a customized vertical bar chart instead of the traditional line graph usually associated with the test.

 

 
The company claims “You should avoid candidates who could become a liability right from the start. You can know all of this and more with Performia’s online candidate screening system. The system is so accurate that our clients make it a policy not to hire anyone internally without having them screened through Performia first.”

In a 2005 article Performia claimed “The test reveals if your salesperson will allow unreasonable discounts or if he or she will sell at the highest price. You will know for a certainty if your purchasing director overprices. You will realise why people at one company are always nervous and drowning in tears while employees of another company come to the office an hour late and stop for a smoke a hundred times a day.”

They also claim to be able to identify troublemakers, known in Scientology as Suppressive Persons. “In fact, only one or two workers are muddying the waters and the skies will clear as soon as you fire them. But how can you track down these people? Usually you are suspicious of people who create a clamour. However, the real saboteurs stay in the background. The EXEC-U-TEST Personality helps to find the actual troublemakers.”

Regardless of the setting, Scientology’s personality test cannot be considered scientific. Like Scientology itself, there is no testing for accuracy, no debate or experimentation. The writings of L. Ron Hubbard are followed unquestioningly. The Oxford Capacity Analysis is used as a recruiting tool, and to prove that a person has received benefit from their Scientology courses. It also serves as a product for sale by Scientology’s many business consultants.

 
— Rod Keller

 
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Reza Aslan and Scientology

Tonight, Reza Aslan will pretend that independent Scientology is actually more than a few old Scientologists pining for what once was. In his Believer episode on CNN at 10 pm, he’ll try to convince viewers that L. Ron Hubbard gets a bad rap, and that indie Scientology is the next great world religion. CNN has not let us see the episode ahead of time, but on Tuesday we looked at some of the things that Aslan has been saying about it in interviews. And we asked a couple of experts we admire the most to give us their thoughts as well…

Jefferson Hawkins, author of Counterfeit Dreams

I read your piece, yes. I thought it was a good breakdown. I don’t know much about Aslan and haven’t paid much attention to his series. I’m familiar with the mindset, though – “all religions are good, they are just different takes on the same spiritual truth” and so on. When I lived in Santa Barbara, I had dinner with Gordon Melton who has a similar viewpoint. He was doing “religious studies” on Scientology and just by nature of granting them that much seriousness, it tended to skew his coverage. He was always looking for parallels with other religions and looking how to justify and explain Scientology in scholarly, religious terms. I rubbed his nose in the abuses and he pretty much said flat-out that he didn’t want to antagonize Scientology because then he would “lose his access.”

Aslan is making way too much of “Indie Scientology.” Yes, pretty much everyone who comes out goes through an “Indie” phase where they still “believe in the tech.” Mine lasted for about two weeks. Some people stay in that phase for a year or two, and a few hard-liners just never move beyond it. There was a big and vocal Indie movement in 2010 or so, but then it pretty much disappeared except for a dozen or so hard liners. An Indie movement is hard to maintain, because Scientology at its core is very authoritarian and strict. You have to follow Hubbard’s writings “100 percent.” But any Indie inevitably starts picking and choosing which bits they want to follow, and they get into disagreements and battles about “who is more on-Source.” So any group tends to splinter and fall apart and become just a bunch of individuals, each doing their own thing. To hold together, they would have to become exactly like the Church of Scientology, with Ethics “tech,” Disconnection, penalties, and all the rest of it, which no Indie is going to do.

Professor Stephen Kent…

Yes, I did read your article about Reza. He also had spoken with me a long time ago, and I seem to remember that he wanted someone who was more focused on the ‘experience’ of Scientology rather than a critical view of it (which is kinda what you said, too). Looking at Scientology amidst all the publicity that the group has gotten over the last few years, may not have been the wisest choice, and then focusing on a small number of independents seems misplaced.

Although he has a PhD in the sociology of religions from UC Santa Barbara (which I understand to be a very good program), its location in a religious studies (as opposed to a straight sociology department) may explain his approach to the groups he is examining. Here’s the key quote form the program’s website:

“comparative analysis is strongly encouraged—between groups, individuals, localities, societies or nations, religions, and/or historical periods. The goal is to understand not just particular religious episodes in human history but also what is common and what varies across traditions and cultures”

Now, I too, came out of religious studies PhD (at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario), but that program was within the social sciences faculty (as far as I can remember), and my connection was with a professor in the sociology department (and some of my publications as a grad student were in sociology journals).

Religious studies programs with Arts faculties may be more humanities oriented. Now I don’t know where Santa Barbara’s religious studies program is located, or how it relates to a sociology department, but his approach seems very ‘humanities’ oriented (as you pointed out).

Sunday night approaches quickly. Sigh.

Best Regards,
Steve.

 
——————–

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,701 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,804 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,298 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,338 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,050 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 517 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,635 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,805 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,125 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,100 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 456 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,758 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 865 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,267 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,140 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 721 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,226 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,470 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,579 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 26, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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  • chelleinchicago
    • chelleinchicago

      I swear to God I’m ready to hit something.

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        *presses the button and hands my new switchblade to chelle* (i KNEW there was a reason i bought that today)

        • Phoebequeen

          Ha!

        • Rasha

          *cautiously laughing, puts on whole-body chainmail suit, lowers armored visor and backs away…..*

    • Phoebequeen

      Oh fuck

    • EmmaDaoust

      Yeah, you’re up something.

    • Welcome to hypnotic euphoria.

  • Mick Roberts

    Wait, thetans can go to OTHER planets? This isn’t a “prison” planet? I’m going to have so many damn questions tonight….so I apologize in advance….

    • Only OTees can do that 🙂 not really though

  • Bob Crouch

    Hubbard “GIFTED scientology to us?”

    • Rasha

      Yes. YOU’RE WELCOME, YOUNG MAN!!!

    • Qbird

      well, that’s a load of crap right there.
      It’ll cost you — Scn. will always cost you.

      • Bob Crouch

        Precisely why the great “gifter” spent years of his later life spiraling into madness while dodging dozens of process servers. Certainly, the IRS wanted to talk to him about his “gift.” His gift of millions to himself, that is!

  • Phoebequeen

    What the hell? Take a little bit from this religion and little bit from that one? Why is he not saying they are the isis of fucking religion?

  • Jimmy3

    Here we go. Super power run downs…

    • Jimmy3

      I didn’t think indies did this.

  • Hypnosis.

  • Jimmy3

    Reza’s first power is the ability to make a douchey face.

  • MaxLuvsDaBunk

    this will so feed reza’s imbalanced ego – right nicely – yes indeed

    • Bob Crouch

      That ego explains his affinity to scn and his apologetics for LRH

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    A potential problem, for sure, but I’m actually more concerned about viewers coming away with the idea that the people on Leah’s show really were just disgruntled and not reflective of what actually happens in scientology. I’m concerned this will cause people to just shrug and look away, letting the CoS off the hook for decades of abuse. Again. (F5)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e2c01043f05affec43180d02b139c9b97f93503362baac6e3fb0b098513a473.png

    • nateht

      So someone somewhere is sitting on his couch watching CNN and wakes up suddenly and says to no one in particular, “Wow, I think I’ll become a Scientologist now.” Like that? Because I can’t see that happening.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Are you responding to my comment or the tweet?

  • Macycarew

    Do these independent scientologists charge for their auditing?

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      yes

    • Yes. Most long term Indies make money off of it. Might be one reason they stay in it.

    • Jimmy3

      Free Scientology is only a dream…
      Or a nightmare.

    • nateht

      Of course they do. Free means the think they’re free from the Sea Org’s tentacles. Ha!

  • Transended,, but can’t yet move things with his mind I bet.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    What did he say? All we have to do is clear Target 1 and we’ll be free of L Ron and $cientology?

  • Mick Roberts

    Still remembering how “wacky” I thought the whole Scientology thing was just a few short months ago, instead of just focusing on the abuses of the church, this show might not be viewed by most viewers as showing the “good side” of the religion by highlighting the independent movement. Some of this stuff so far is coming across even to me as stranger than fiction (or even “science fiction”).

  • MaxLuvsDaBunk

    that commercial for the next show also points out how he is so terribly irresponsible with such important subjects

  • MaxLuvsDaBunk

    yay it’s almost over

  • Because the abuses are written in the policies.

  • Phoebequeen

    Bill board!

    • Phoebequeen

      That should be bill board sighting. Or at least I thought it was Phil’s. Maybe I didn’t see it right. Never mind!

  • PerpetualOutflow

    The Dror people seem happy, uptone, caring and open. $cientologists are none of those IMHO.

    • Phoebequeen

      They seem like they are in a cult to me. Same difference.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        That’s a fair enough, but different point.

  • Qbird

    Are you guys live blogging this?

    • chelleinchicago

      I’m live-surviving it because I’m having trouble tweeting while screaming.

      • EmmaDaoust

        LOL sorry! LOL

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        i so want to read your tweets

        • chelleinchicago

          You might be disappointed. I was mostly just reacting to him which is probably what the asshole wanted! Here’s my profile page. I think this should take you to my replies. https://twitter.com/chelleinchicago/with_replies

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Sadly, painfully, yes.

      • Qbird

        Oh goodie goodie gumdrops!

        Thank you guys!
        and Hiya Sir!

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          Hello QB. 🙂
          Thankfully it is liver. I meant over. And liver.

  • Vaquera

    I’m weary of his forced sighs and over used thoughtful pauses

    • EmmaDaoust

      Don’t be so critical. The writers were on strike. He had to fill in somehow.

      • Vaquera

        //sigh//

  • Bob Crouch

    Why is it so different to distinguish between the “church” and aberrations in its practices?

    In the Catholic church–as poorly as they dealt with it–child molestation is an egregious sin. In scn, the abuse is built in. Not just condoned, but COMMANDED! It’s NOT an aberration. It’s a FEATURE!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      ^^^^^^^^^

  • Mick Roberts

    Cue dramatic music. Cue dramatic walk in front of Celebrity Centre. Cue the scripted bullshit to attempt to make the host look intellectual. Cue the attempts to show happy people believing in LRH. And fade out…..

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • stanrogers

      You’re being awfully hard on the cereal there, Pan.

      • Rasha

        got a point there.

  • Jimmy3

    “A religion can only expand and grow if individuals feel free to make it their own…”

    And these *individuals* are straight up and vertical idiots. I’m sorry. It’s not going anywhere.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    So have most of these independent $cientologists read about Hubbard’s many lies, motivations, affirmations, occult history? If so, how can they think that anything that came from such corrupt roots could bear good fruit so to speak?

    • scottmercer

      Yes, both of them have.

  • Bob Crouch

    Show’s over. Why do I still feel like I’ve been slimed? Call Ghostbusters!

  • Gabbyone

    That was even worse than I thought that it was going to be.

  • Phoebequeen

    Going to watch The Talking Dead. So much more enjoyable . Nite kids.

    • Rasha

      Nite!!!

  • Rasha

    “Fun and gusto”

    …did I just hear that? “People should practice Scientology with fun and gusto?” And, “maybe Scientology is not so different after all”? Let me look for my comment about Ass-whatever being an incompetent enabler and poor researcher and doof-head idiot…

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      He actually said that?! (I’m not watching live, I’m just watching the live blogging.) What a numb-nuts.

      • Rasha

        One of the unnamed faces at the end said it during the end credits. One of those last moment sound bites used to make the point that you can’t respond to before the commercials….

        • Rasha

          …but he did say that, maybe Scientology isn’t so different from other religions…

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Ugh.

  • Basic premise is the Clear. None of these people or groups seem to grasp that this has not been achieved, by any one of them.

  • Mick Roberts

    Well, I have some questions, but that was so confusing that I’m even confused on what the actual questions are that I have. Lost a whole damn hour of my life watching that. #ThanksAlotScientology

    I’m going to go lay down and read some more of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely so I can actually get intellectually stimulated again and get out of this Condition of Confusion I’ve just entered. Good night Bunker!

  • Liberated

    Hey Reza go fuck yourself.

    • Sherbet

      With fun and gusto.

      • Liberated

        No, with pain and suffering.

        • stanrogers

          Fun and gusto are two new brands of particularly sharp and spiky “marital aids”.

          • Sherbet

            I think the term is a new Bunker meme. Thanks, Reza, for that, anyway.

    • Robert Ramsay

      nothing better than a talking head on a mission. i know I’ve seen it many times before. sad.

  • chelleinchicago
    • chelleinchicago

      There you go.

    • chelleinchicago

      And there’s nothing fucking pleasurable about it, you asshole.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      56 seconds by no means brings forth what could be learned about ‘the ashtray’ / tr8

  • Bob Crouch

    So the conclusion is that scn is a “religion” that works best if people turn their back on it and make up their own “religions of one.”

    Scientology works best if you abandon it. I knew that!

  • Liberated

    Too bad you didn’t hear about the new borns that died at the Ft. Harrison and were disposed of, you POS.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Wait… WHAT??? Did that happen?? I thought I knew everything about Scamology!! That’s awful!! WTF happened to these babies??

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s always worse than you think.

      • Liberated

        Yes it did happen, and I’ve been trying to find the testimony from Hana Whitfield, that was posted here at the bunker but I’m having a hard time.
        During the late 70’s women gave birth at flag and the births were never reported or issued certificates.
        Babies were left in the nursery and neglected, and of course died. The reason I know this is because I went to the ft. Harrison around that time just because I happened to be in Florida visiting grandma and I had a new baby.
        There was no way in the world I was gonna join we just went out of obligation, and I remember seeing the nursery and it was empty, how odd I thought, and a girl who was trying to get me to join up said ” yeah, a baby died but it was screwed up at birth.”
        Then when I read Hana’s account I realized it was true.

        I’m gonna keep looking for the link.

        • Liberated

          Hi Taffy, I found the video about the babies….I’m not very good at this so bear with me.

          Google Hana Whitfield…..videos.
          Then a list of utube videos will show up…go down to the one:

          Ritual child abuse scientology….it’s 7:32 min.
          It’s not on the first list that appears, hit next and you’ll see it.

  • Sherbet

    I’m going to pipe Valium into the Bunker water supply until everyone calms down.

    • chelleinchicago

      In the opening sequence when he said he often finds himself defending Scientology I thought ……BIG RED FLAG, just turn it off now! Why did I bother? It was WORSE than I thought it would be!

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        the reason was so you could breath truth into that rot via your twitter (of which i so want to read)

        • chelleinchicago
          • MaxLuvsDaBunk

            oh thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • MaxLuvsDaBunk

            oh my gosh you’re brilliant and so very articulate / thank you again for giving me entrance into your strong and valuable commenting ///// champions like you are so important and valuable

            • chelleinchicago

              It took everything I had in me to tweet calmly so that I got my point across.

      • Sherbet

        I was trying to find a comments section in CNN but didn’t.

        • chelleinchicago

          Most commenting is happening on Twitter, I think.

          • Sherbet

            I’m sure you’re right.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      hook me up to an IV drip on wheels please

    • stanrogers

      Gimme gimme shock treatment.

      • Sherbet

        Nix on that (CCHR).

        • stanrogers

          Ah, poop.

          • daisy

            Speaking of – Will you please flush !

            • MaxLuvsDaBunk

              AND put the seat and cover down / that flush splashes microscopically (sp?) six feet!

    • Robert Eckert
    • ExCult.Jan

      No ice for me, thanks. Don’t want to dilute the water.

  • TexasBroad

    Up to my neck in receipts/taxes so I didn’t watch, and only scrolled through last 30 minutes of comments, but reading them-I hope tomorrow’s post just shreds the show! Get’em Tony!

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      on my agenda is going over to read tony’s tweets – i caught a few before the broadcast //// thank goodness we all have one another and our brilliant and articulate tony

  • Well, if people really want to go back to the “true L Ron Hubbard” . . .

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a5542656285b9ff78597d23279a2191efb75fff8a3d27feaf61f3ed95e79bc13.jpg

  • Jimmy3

    I am going to circumvent the Bunker water supply until just a moment.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Ooohhh, Reza’s trying to take on C-Shel. You are out of your element, Donny! (F5)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa8efe60c4d8babbfddf4c9faf790d4dea6f8c351e719af991ca40a0c2081495.png

    • Sherbet

      Do not mess with Chris Shelton, you fraud.

    • Jimmy3

      Shut the fuck up, Donnie!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I feel like we could respond to Reza entirely in Big Lebowski quotes, and it would still make as much sense as the premise of his show.

        • Liberated

          Hello, I’m Maude I’m right here.
          I would like to send Reza to my doctor…he’s a good man, and thorough.

        • TexasBroad

          “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.” — The Dude

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            “Mark it zero!” is what I want all the reviews to say about this episode.

    • JaxNGold

      Dying! You guys are killing me with the Lebowski quotes. John Goodman is too f’ing funny in that film.

  • Macycarew

    I feel like this show was weirdly an ad for the COS itself. In a roundabout sort of way. All of these indipendant folks seem to have been kicked out and declared to be SP and disconnected from others and they act like it was nothing. Or not that big of a deal. The show somehow legitimized SCN as an actual religion. I feel like Miscaviage is sitting in his big boy high chair somewhere saying, “See, i told you we were legit… now someone go and sue them for stealing our shit.”

    • Bob Crouch

      And apparently these folks can’t figure out that they are SP’s NOT because of Miscavige himself but because of the powers vested in the little man by no one other than LRH himself!

      And if Miscavige comes after them in addition to their declare, these super-pure scn fundamentalists also fail to get that he’s following LRH’s command intention with every little totalitarian stunt that he pulls.

  • Bob Crouch

    How credible would the Bunker be if Tony’s reporting were such that he had to remind us with every blog that he is a “qualified journalist!”

    Either you can figure out that someone’s credible from reading/listening or they ain’t got shit!

  • Qbird

    How many independent folks were interviewed, pls.?
    And, wouldn’t corporate Scn be pissed over this advertizment?
    Indies cut into their shit, don’t they?

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
    • Bob Crouch

      Here he goes again with that “academic” pretense. A train wreck of credulity is a far more apt description!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        By “academic,” I assume he really means, “pseudo-intellectual shill desperately seeking tenure.”

        • stanrogers

          No, he just means hangin’ out with the olive trees. The original meaning…
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn8YubD01sk

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Funny, I feel like this song could’ve soundtracked Johnny Tank’s earlier photo shoot.

          • And talk to the chair too.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Reza, you insufferable putz, It’s the anti-Buddhism!

  • scottmercer

    I just came here right now for the Reza Aslan fallout. *munches popcorn*

    • KimP

      I should approach CNN about them giving me a show about nuclear physics. What do I know about such? Nothing, but apparently you don’t have to have a clue about what you’re talking about to get a show on cnn.

      • stanrogers

        Make sure you say nuke-you-lar, or they’ll think you’re a real expert and say no.

  • Is this over yet?

    • Qbird

      the TV show is, but not the ire.

      • Oh good. Going to check out some non elastic socks on Amazon and finish watching the cop show episode.

  • OSA#1 to OSA#2: You’r a fucking Idiot! – OSA#2: Hey! That’s an insult!?! – OSA#1: I was talking to your body – OSA#2: Ohh…

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Show hasn’t aired here yet, so all I have to go on are the comments. Sounds like Reza dropped another load…

    • Bob Crouch

      Sorry about that spoiler. But in a word: Yes!

  • Sherbet

    My opinion is Aslan’s little star turn isn’t going to affect many people at all, any more than watching “The Curse of Oak Island” inspires anyone to pick up a shovel and look for treasure. I can’t see the Clearwater City Council or the judge in Laura DeCrescenzo’s case thinking, “Hmmm…maybe scientology really is a force for good.”

    • PeaceMaker

      Aslan seems about as hapless and uninformed as the “The Curse of Oak Island” guys – but his show also seems like reality television. I have followed Oak Island for years though I have seen only bits and pieces of the show, but the current crew seem oblivious of the fact that the causeway was built by a geologist to bring in a huge bucket and use modern open-pit mining techniques to take the whole money pit area down to bedrock (including, apparently, the openings of some of the caves in the underlying limestone), so they are probably just digging through the mixed-up fill put back after nothing could be found half a century ago.

  • Ben Franklin

    Reza’s show will likely go down as one of the poorly researched Scientology shows ever aired on television to date.

    • Rage_Nosebleed

      There were a lot of positive tweets, which made me heave a gusty, exasperated sigh. The breakdown seemed to be maybe half and half between fans and critics. The negative responses were perhaps a bit higher, but that may have been due to Chris Shelton and Tony. 😉

  • Vaquera

    I wish I hadn’t watched it.

    • stanrogers

      Have you tried Hare Krishna?

      • Vaquera

        Does it come with a twist off or do I need a corkscrew?

    • Sherbet

      You know what I watched earlier on PBS? A 1990 Highwaymen concert with Waylon, Kris, Johnny, and Willie. It was a good antidote for what was coming next.

      • Vaquera

        I love the shows they air during fundraising week.

        • Sherbet

          Good music, and the guys were obviously having a ball.

          • Vaquera

            Kris kissed me on the cheek in 1978. I haven’t washed it since.

            • Sherbet

              Maybe you helped him make it through the night. But I digress. Reza Aslan.

            • Vaquera

              John Norman Howard.

            • stanrogers

              Edna St. Vincent Millay.

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      This is good to know since I’ve only recorded it… Perhaps I’ll just hit ‘Delete’!

    • You did it for science. Thank you.

  • nateht

    At CNN’s website: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/us/believer-what-is-scientology/index.html
    I can live with this story. Sample quote: “Advanced Scientologists confront body thetans through more auditing.” I can’t understand where this Reza Aslan guy gets his story from. It’s impossible for me to wrap my head around folks like Aslan.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/364d48c7f535515bfe30983a91e4217ebd60be73571af420ca21962bf0b5a375.png

    Oh, Reza? I suggest you apply some of the “Tech” of your new-found friends and Word Clear “successful” and “religion.”

    If by “successful” you mean “salted away a pile of money” and “religion” you mean “a system designed to trap the vulnerable and exploit them mercilessly,” then your tweet is arguably accurate.

    • Sherbet

      People who use “arguably” are really saying the subject is up for debate. He used it wrong, like just about everyone else who uses it.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Whereas I was using it ironically to mock the officiousness of the original Tweet.

        • Sherbet

          Of course!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Obviously, Reza, you’re not a golfer.

      (Hashtag see, Lebowski works!)

      • Liberated

        I swear to god I was gonna say that….gee I go to the bathroom for 1 sec…

    • PeaceMaker

      Reza didn’t didn’t seem to define “success” in terms of financial wealth, the only factor that makes Scientology stand out, so his claim is a stretch.

      The Nation of Islam can be regarded as a new religion with its own cosmology distinct from the rest of Islam, and it’s certainly larger and more successful than Scientology. Aslan might even be accused of overlooking them because they’re African American, and not the sort of people he rubs elbows with at cocktail parties and coffee houses.

      The pagan Church of All Worlds has more adherents than independent Scientology, and if paganism is viewed as a religion with its own sects or schisms then it is certainly larger than Scientology.

      Jediism certainly outstripped Scientology in terms of census responses, and is a sci-fi religion that probably gives Scientology, or at least independent Scientology, a run for its money in terms of serious members.
      Can anyone think of any other examples?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Modern Rosicrucianism was founded in America in 1909. Other more successful religious movements from the United States in the 20th Century: “New Age” (1936), Wicca (1954), and Eckankar (1965). None of these are as wealthy as Scientology, but they have more members.

        • PeaceMaker

          Douglas, I’m familiar with all of those – and have some experience with several – but don’t think that they quite fully qualify as religious movements due to the lack of even as much of a “church” with defined and regularly participating membership as Scientology has, and are also too small currently to be considered “successful.” I did overlook Eckankar (which Scientology accuses of being a “squirrel” because its founder had been a staff member in the late 1950s) because I thought it was too small to be regarded as successful, but I see that the 2008 ARIS (American Religious Identification Survey) data actually has it continuing to grow and close to overtaking Scientology.
          The issue with including the other movements is that they are not originally American, and also lack a formal “church” and membership structure. Though Wicca in America is much larger than Scientology, Druids and Rastafarians (which ARIS counts) are also slightly larger.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Not successful, per se, but more successful than Scientology.

            Rastafarianism was not founded in the United States, so I did not include it.

      • Tarvu.

        • PeaceMaker

          I think that Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is much more successful than Tarvu, and the Church of the Subgenius (J. R. “Bob” Dobbs ) at least used to be.
          Reza was talking about American NRMs in the 20th century, but I’ve noticed that Scientology has now shifted to claiming to being the fastest growing religion in the 21st century (perhaps because so obviously weren’t in the 20th century, despite having claimed it) and Tarvu would certainly give them a run for their money based on that criteria.

          • But, Tarvu’s so easy, though it does lack slack.

      • Graham

        Last UK Census: for every Scientologist there were 71 Jedi.

        • John Prince

          “You don’t need to see his ID” ..”these aren’t the Droids you’re looking for”..”there’s millions of indie-scibots”..

    • Yeah, and you could arguably say that the Earth was flat.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I would arguably say that we are all living on the inside of the earth.

  • Tony Ortega

    Louis Theroux’s bullbaiting was more interesting than Reza’s. Louis Theroux’s yelling at an ashtray was more interesting than Reza’s (bonus online footage).

    And did that Trey Lotz auditing just confirm that Scientology auditing is endlessly repetitive and boring? Sorry, but I didn’t need to sit with the cans to know that. I heard it from enough former Scientologists.

    Wow, that was weaker than I expected.

  • Mockingbird

    Jesus Christ, that thing Reza Aslan presented was an absolute abortion if it was meant to be honest and fair journalism. It cherry picks a handful of facts about Scientology and mixes in lots of generalities and fallacies.

    It’s missing the relevant information on the harm Scientology does. It’s missing the relevant information on the freezoners and independent Scientologists who get no beneficial results. They have certainty but lose their members rapidly. The freezoner group that moved to live near each other had about seven members. I have heard of freezoner conventions getting a couple dozen people to attend. They promote these meetings for months and get every person they possibly can.

    Reza Aslan ignores everyone that doesn’t agree with him that was willing to talk to him. He didn’t let ex Scientologists represent their experiences or cult experts that disagree with him represent their beliefs. It’s important to say he ignored the overwhelming majority of evidence that Hubbard was a pathological liar and criminal. And that Scientology is harmful to people. The literature on this is immense and consistent.

    He frames the show as genuinely trying to present every view but it’s a con. He won’t dare let Jon Atack or Steven Hassan or Daniel Shaw or Rick Alan Ross explain the evidence against Scientology. They would crush his lies with facts about the crimes and abuses of Scientology. Attorneys and judges can unpack case after case of Scientology committing crimes.

    He may not realize it but he denies the abuse of Scientology to its victims with his tacit approval and pretending that Scientology is a religion like any other.

    There are differences. I wish he could see the actual experience of being on the RPF for himself.

    • Liberated

      Where have you been?

      • Mockingbird

        Uh, busy but I wanted to pop in to comment on the show.

  • Joe

    Sherlock Holmes put it best: “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

    • Sherlock was also proud that he didn’t have any astronomy cluttering up his brain – unless the position of the stars and planets on a particular night at 3am was key to solving a case, then he’d just happen to know that.

  • Harpoona Frittata

    I kept waiting for Reza to tell us how many of these $cn true believer “Reformers” that there are in the world, but the importance of establishing that basic fact never seemed to occur to him, despite making the direct analogy to the Protestant Reformation. Are there more Indie groups outside of the L.A. area on the West Coast, like that Reno coven, or what? How about on the East Coast, in Europe and elsewhere?. We really don’t get any idea at all whether there are just a few hundred aging Indie $cilons left in the wild, or are there tens of thousands of these Indie true believers? Reza provides us with no help at all in answering that basic question.

    Loved the Roy Robles character…”yep, I’m just here for a couple of earth lifetimes to pick up the Holy Tech and then skedaddle.”. If there’s anyone who can channel Elron for us, it’s definitely Roy. How did he put it? Was it, “I’m definitely transcended” or something like that?

    • Ron Schmidt

      its the fasted growing new religious movement……..NOT

    • Rage_Nosebleed

      I kept waiting for Reza to tell us how many of these $cn true believer
      “Reformers” that there are in the world, but the importance of
      establishing that basic fact never seemed to occur to him.

      Oh, it occurred to him but he no intention of doing any real investigative reporting. Like all participatory filmmakers (hi, Anthony Bourdain), Reza’s just there to eat the local food and pretend it’s all tasty.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Great summary!

  • Robert Ramsay

    Reza the … oh well time to party and move on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk

  • Liberated

    Well, I hope you guys are happy, you’ve destroyed disqus.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Disqus is a delicate flower.

  • He could have asked any of these Indies to demonstrate the abilities of a Clear as defined by Hubbard in Dianetics.

    • Mockingbird

      He is a religious studies guy. They think all religions are equally valid (meaning either they see them as bullshit or all leading to something spiritual somehow – either way no evidence required).

      He won’t ask the Pope to cure the sick or prove heaven exists and he won’t ask Scientology to prove anything either.

  • Eileen

    It was interesting to see how “free zone” scientologists practice, I’ve always wondered where/how they survive outside the church. Trey Lotz is a familiar name. They all looked like good people, I wish them well in navigating their beliefs. It doesn’t look like there are many left.
    As a narrow view of just a small sect, this was well done.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Did anyone watch Bob’s Burger’s tonite? If you did, you’d know why I’m asking……

    • Joe

      I didn’t, but I’m OBSESSED with that show.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I’m referring to the new one that was on tonite on Fox. Basically, the local aquarium was going outta bizness, so they decided to make it a 501c-3 and make it a place of worship.

        Aquaticism, Church of!!!

    • Really? Yes, definitely someone who needs to steer well away from Scientology.

      Teams are standing by.
      http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5742b89ab09f956c84a8d3f9/57451ff77c65e4c17df074ff/57453d86b6aa60c825343198/1469081729977/Team+Kitten.jpg

      • JaxNGold

        Seriously. If he’s this traumatized by being in the cult a few months, suffering their love-bombing and cancellation of his bday/event/whatever, then lord have mercy. Does he even know of the actual, real suffering of people who have gone through disconnection, Fair Game, constant harassment, the forced abortions, etc?

        Please someone tweet this guy to tell him to watch Leah’s first season to learn about those who have been truly traumatized by the CO$.

        • anonsparrow

          Agreed. My empathy button is really being tested by these bits and pieces of news.

          Reminds me of Eddie Murphy joking about one poor rich kids’ trouble about how Wham broke up. Meanwhile another kid has no father and no food to eat. Hard to compare.

          • anonsparrow

            Love that picture of the kittens though.. Full of amazement and wonder.

            Just like human beings should be..

      • Taffy Sinclair

        beautiful babies!!!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hope the cult hasn’t been harassing our recently escaped young god.

  • TexasBroad

    Was the Religious Liberty League mentioned? Trying to decide whether to DVR the rerun. I’m interested, but the comments make me wonder. Was there anything to learn from it at all?

    • Eileen

      Only interesting if you have wondered about the Indie scene. It only focused on the beliefs in practice of indies. Personally, I’ve never heard their perspective so found it interesting. They all seemed sad to me.

      • TexasBroad

        Thank you for your reply. I used to be a daily MilestoneTwo blog reader. I am interested in the sustainability of the beliefs and practices outside the structure of COS. I will probably watch later.

    • PeaceMaker

      I missed a couple of segments, but didn’t hear the RLL or FICOS mentioned. I don’t think Aslan even covered the indie movement very well, other than to do vignettes of a couple of the indies who he could find and who were willing to be filmed.

  • Douglas D. Douglas
  • Tony Ortega

    Oh, and did you notice? Your proprietor is in the episode. And they use us in a completely dishonest way.

    • More material for Leah’s Season 2 perhaps?
      I sure hope.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Or being talked about by an insufferable putz.”
      –OSCAR WILDE

    • Mockingbird

      You literally say one word. That’s balance for you. Ugh.

      • Robert Eckert

        There was a Monty Python where the guest on the talk show was the bare-bum guy sitting at the piano who says “It’s…” at the beginning of the musical credits. “We’re talking today to a man best known as Mr. It’s. You’ve been on the show for many years, and yet you have only been allowed to say one word in all that time. What is that like?” He says “It’s…” and of course it immediately breaks into the Liberty Bell March (doo-DOO-du-du-du-du-DOOT-doo-doot…)

        • Mockingbird

          They were brilliant. I didn’t get a lot of their ideas as a kid but as a teenager realized they are probably the greatest comedy show I have ever seen.

          The fact that Reza Aslan showed four critics we all know giving literally one word on CNN and then he gives them nothing else is a kind of slap in the face.

          If CNN had not done the better series with Anderson Cooper I would be critical of the network, but in fairness the series Anderson Cooper did was much better.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b30025aadc1c2402ebe9e33a78adce6935a50a7d3c2cb7c9b055b5747bb2f17a.jpg

    I thought I put ethics in ruthlessly on myself,,, but COB is ruthlessly-ier. You will read about it in history books, just like you will read about SP’s.

    • Liberated

      Or Caligula.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Are you Kuba’s wifey? Cuz your avatar looks like his GGTA (gorgeous gold twitter avatar)

        Seriously, check it out.

        • Liberated

          No dear, my avatar is Maude Lebowski from the movie..”The Big Lebowski.”

          • Taffy Sinclair

            D’oh!!! (smacks head) never seen that movie. Sorry, I hope you understand my misunderstanding 🙂

            • Liberated

              What….you’ve never seen the dude?
              You have to..pronto.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Wait… The Big Lebowski movie or a dude? Cuz I like looking at BOTH!

            • Liberated

              The Big Lebowski is the name of the movie, dude is the main character.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              LOL! Clearly, I have no idea what I’m even asking!! 🙂

    • anonsparrow

      Lol at ruthlessly-ier.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Thanx!! I thought that was clever…

  • Well his Hashtag #believer was held up by a small bunch of ppl…Nothing to compare on #ScientologyTheAftermath’s >4000 tweets per hour when Leah was on https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/89259b6c63909cb4e7c6c42156db369706ff566e74c828f6a67369eab986c1ed.png .

  • Here are some other numbers. How to read them is up to you, but 24mill impressions is not bad :-O https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/747b21a8e739cd5f99e0ccbafa377ec3d7d824cda5052cb8deec650fd13dafc6.png

  • Looks like Alanzo has lost his Ashtray?

    • anonsparrow

      Did he try yelling at it? Usually they will come back.

      Seriously though, what the fuck are you talking about?

      • his blog

        • anonsparrow

          He has a blog about his lost ashtray? It’s probably the best way to get the word out and hopefully find it though.

    • anonsparrow

      Back in the day Alanzo was my arch-enemy. I was still supportive of “Scientology” but had left the “official” Church. Alanzo and I duked it out daily for awhile.

      We called a temporary truce and agreed that if our bosses walked in we could pretend we were busy doing real work by pretending to furiously “type” while looking disgusted that we have to take care of someone else’s unfinished business.

      Genius.

  • anonsparrow

    Ok maybe I’m wrong but…

    I think Scientology is just a big scam to promote smoking cigarettes.

    Seriously, think about it. Ashtrays? Noone ever questions the ash trays. They are too busy ffighting about the legitimacy of Scientology – all the while smoking cigarettes.

    And then yelling at the ash tray? Wrong target anyone?

    It’s all there for anyone who cares to see.. 🙂

  • Taffy Sinclair

    I really hope that one day Greg Wilhere will realize that he & I are finally broken up.
    He may continue his antics, but I AM my own woman. Temptations of this weird “SP hole” he speaks of do not appeal to me. I want the old Greg back, not the Sleaz-Org member…. 🙁

    Greg, Taff-Taff misses you. immensely.

    • anonsparrow

      So are you saying that you are Greg Wilhere’s past girlfriend?

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I’m not sayin’ nothin!!! Who are, Btdubs? Then I can tell you……

        • anonsparrow

          Ok then. Just wanted to make sure I don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Nobody knows what the fuck I’m talking about. (Part of the reason me and my Bae are not together anymore) 🙁

            • anonsparrow

              Good answer. So Greg Wilhere is your old fling and you would like to reach out to him?

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Yes!! love that man. But thers no hope.

              So, are you really in anoymous?? I love that group!! And they were in my town!! shut down a mission!! Nice.

            • anonsparrow

              Anonymous is really in me. Transparent is when a grease soaked piece of paper can be seen right through. Just so you know – but tell your boss I said hi. (and also that we’re coming for him)

            • Taffy Sinclair

              most Definately!!! I love y’all’s groups, BTdubs, as well as Days of our Lives, The Real Housewives,,,, oh, I could go on & on!! I’m a typical housewife.

            • anonsparrow

              Tommy Davis? I thought you bailed bro..

            • anonsparrow

              All quiet now..

            • anonsparrow

              Quick! Say somehting! Anything!

            • Hmmmm . . . not sure if it was Tommy Davis or Sylvia Stannard.

            • anonsparrow

              NIce. I’m sure Sylvia is still running out her days watching these boards.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              He’s fucking hilarious!!!! And I’d,,, nevermind…. I must go sleep w/ my current man now . Sorry ’bout the “all Quiet!!”

              BTW, what’s yr deal? I don’t know you!! You reached out to ME!

            • anonsparrow

              Night night.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              aThanks!! You are a good conversationalist 😉
              BTW, go see “Get Out”, the movie. So good!!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              That wasn’t a put down, btw.

            • anonsparrow

              I’ll stick around for a conversation..

            • anonsparrow

              Would you like to speak with me riight now in front of the world?

            • anonsparrow

              Waiting for a reply from your boss i suppose..

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Seriously? I am a boss.

              Who do you think I am, anywayz? I’m super-confused!!! I’m just a kid from the east who likes to make fun of scientology! Did I offend you?

            • anonsparrow

              Yes I’m very offended. I’m trying to figure out how to move forward with my life.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Cuz of Me????

            • anonsparrow

              Did you clear that last response with your boss.. i mean you.. i mean..

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Babe, your’re acting weird. I…. have no words…. my quesadilla is getting cold. Tell me, what do you wanna know. I’ll tell you.

            • anonsparrow

              What’s you relation to Greg Wilhere?

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Honestly? Not a godamn thing! It’s a running joke! Are you related to him? Cuz if you are, I’ll shut the fuck up!

            • anonsparrow

              No I’m good. Thanks.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Good to hear! He’s a scum-bag!

            • anonsparrow

              grease soaked paper

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I used to work at a fast food restaurant, lol, I know grease-soaked paper very well, lol!!!

            • anonsparrow

              Have the last word you scuzzy bastard..

            • anonsparrow

              Oh and tell Dave I said hi..

            • anonsparrow

              What’s the problem? Is David Miscavige’s orders hard to follow?

              Post that shit!

            • anonsparrow

              Awww.. withdrawing now? I smell pussy..

            • anonsparrow

              Oh.. one other person is typing! This should be good.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Where???

  • anonsparrow

    Goto bed Miscavige. I’ll still be watching when you wake up.

  • John Prince

    How were the reviews for CNN’s fake-news expert, “toast” aslan & his scio-commercial ?

  • Newiga

    Good morning, early birds! ^_^

    • Marshall

      I always smile when I see your morning greeting!

      • Newiga

        Great! I always smile when I get replies. 🙂

  • Deleted by me.

  • Faux Gibbler

    True Story.
    I clicked on the personality test link when checking out the hate site, and these a***holes email every day now.

  • Mockingbird

    I read Alanzo’s blog. Okay. This guy uses weak propaganda techniques like namecalling. He just uses negative generalities to not just insult but in particular to diminish the authority and credibility of people he doesn’t agree with. That’s a way to put all his opponents or critics in one broad category and then put down the whole category at once. Hubbard described it in Propaganda by Redefinition of Terms. Hitler also described it in his writings.

    Alanzo unfortunately is writing very much like Marty Rathbun in several ways in his most recent blog post. He hasn’t taken on Marty Rathbun’s habits in every way but he is using loaded language to put out emotional descriptions of people that are so unsupported as to be mere opinion stated as fact. He also uses reason with giant gaping holes in it.

    He acts like because Tony Ortega has been posting for seven years and David Miscavige has avoided arrest that the blog is a failure. Um, what if Tony Ortega didn’t set out to end David Miscavige or Scientology ? What if he had other goals ?

    And Alanzo didn’t acknowledge the hundreds of people that have read the Underground Bunker and realized that they needed to either leave Scientology or question it or work on recovery from Scientology ? He oddly doesn’t comment on the results that don’t support his claims. How about the people that read the Bunker and will never join Scientology since they were warned ?

    Alanzo has become more self-referential. He asserts ideas from him are true and bright and ideas from other people are dim and wrong. I have seen this act too many times already.

  • Mockingbird

    Here’s the kind of person I wish Reza Aslan would give equal time on his show.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P2HAgRUCXrI

  • Yes Deleted by me.

  • Jgg2012

    The OCA tells you if you would make a good recruit. Period. I wouldn’t because I sympathize with conscientious objectors and don’t have strong opinions on things I know little about, both of which are “wrong” answers on this test. I also would be too skeptical to join any specific religion, for the same reasons.