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Paul Haggis spoils movie night for Scientology, shows what a real humanitarian does

[Paul Haggis and Nancy Cartwright]

Last week our man at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre let us know that Nancy Cartwright’s movie, In Search of Fellini, had screened, and he wanted us to understand that it was a movie with more Scientologists involved than maybe any other ever. From Nancy, who wrote it, to its director, to many of its actors, and plenty of other people on the crew, this is a film that Scientology is hoping will do well.

Well, since then, we learned from Roger Friedman that there was a bit of a surprise about that first screening, which happened on the closing night of the 12th annual Los Angeles Italia film festival on February 24…

“Fellini” stars Maria Bello…When the festival wanted to honor her at the movie’s premiere on February 24th who did they call? Why Paul Haggis, famous former Scientologist, Oscar winner, and great friend of Bello.

Oh my. So let’s do the math. You have a 20-year project by Nancy Cartwright, who first developed “Fellini” as a one-woman show at the Hollywood Celebrity Center and has finally managed to turn this labor of love into a film, and with the use of many of her fellow Scientologists. Here’s the whole gang on the red carpet that night, playfully hoisting Nancy sideways…

 

 
One of the film’s crew is producer Michael Doven, who we outed as a Scientology spy some five years ago. But the film stars a non-Scientologist actress, Maria Bello, and the film was shown at the LA-Italia festival, which isn’t controlled by Scientology.

So Paul Haggis, good friend to Bello, is invited by the festival organizers to the screening to give Bello an award. Here are the two of them, captured that night by photographers…

 

 
And Haggis is not just the winner of multiple Oscars; he was the subject of “The Apostate,” a huge 2011 profile in the New Yorker by Lawrence Wright which Larry later turned into his epic 2013 history of the church which also featured Haggis, Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief, which in turn Alex Gibney turned into his 2015 HBO documentary, Going Clear, also starring Paul Haggis.

In other words, Haggis is kryptonite to Scientologists, particularly such hard core enforcers like Nancy Cartwright and Michael Doven. And Haggis was invited to show up at the big screening of their movie? Oh, was there enough popcorn in the place for this showdown?

So what happened? We asked Haggis how this awkward scene went down, and he sent us the following account…

I didn’t actually notice anyone other than the Dovens that evening. I was sitting at a table with my friend David Belle, who runs Artists for Peace and Justice, during the cocktail hour prior to the event, when I noticed Michael and Andrea walking toward me, then abruptly diverting into the crowd. I don’t think they’d been told that I would be there that night, as the day prior Mr. Doven had nixed me from presenting to Maria, telling the event organizer that I was “too controversial.” However David told me that a large huddle of red-faced people kept staring at me during cocktails and talking angrily to each other.

Well, sure, we can imagine that Paul making the scene must have produced quite a few red faces. And we’ll interrupt him just long enough to point out that not only was Michael Doven the spy Scientology used to keep tabs on Tom Cruise, but that his wife Andrea Doven is also an interesting figure herself. She’s the daughter of actor Robert Morse, and back in 2013 we managed to catch her giving a speech at the Celebrity Centre that was deliciously full of Scientology nuttiness.

Wow, so Michael Doven found out Haggis had been invited, and he put the kibosh on Paul giving Maria her award. The nerve! OK, but that wasn’t all that happened. Back to Paul’s account…

David and I were there to receive a humanitarian award for our work in Haiti. When he heard that I wouldn’t be presenting to Maria, and why, he was very upset and wanted to cancel our appearance, but it was such a petty move on Doven’s part that I easily convinced David to just laugh it off. The organizer of the event is a great and wonderful friend, and kindly scheduled our presentation before Maria’s. David and I accepted our award, gave a shout-out to Maria for her work with us in Haiti, and left, as we had another engagement that night. I only later mentioned it to my friend Roger Friedman in passing, not actually thinking it was interesting enough to write about. Looking back, it must have been uncomfortable for my former acquaintances to have to sit through the video about our organization’s accomplishments in Haiti, and then have to sit through our acceptance speech. Scientology so often boasts about its great humanitarian work, and its members are truly convinced they are saving the world. In fact they did send volunteers and supplies to Port au Prince after the earthquake in 2010, on Travolta’s jet, but left very soon afterwards. I seriously doubt that the church itself gave any of the money for earthquake relief; it is my experience they ask their members to donate it all — this despite the fact the church reportedly has $2 billion in cash reserves. APJ, our organization, has been doing massive relief work in Haiti since 2008. We not only trucked in tons of supplies, we supported a beautiful pediatric hospital and built major schools for thousands of the poorest children. In partnership with our incredible Haitian colleagues, we have put over $20 million to work on the ground. In fact, the night before this event, David and I had just done a fundraiser in LA and raised another $800,000. It was an incredible evening of song created by our board member Jackson Browne, and featured friends like Jeff Bridges, Rita Wilson, Moby and Jack Black — check it out. Our next major fundraiser is our annual Toronto Film Festival gala. Spread the word, we need all the help we can get. People can check us out at APJnow.org.

We sure will, Paul. There’s a page here where you can see a lot of photos from the fundraiser with Jackson Browne, Jeff Bridges, Rita Wilson, Jack Black, Nazanin Boniadi, and Paul. Looks like it was a great party.

 

 
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Will Clearwater ever grow a spine?

Hey, it was just a few weeks ago that our man Rod Keller was discussing recent developments in downtown Clearwater, Florida, and reminded us that back in the year 2000, a Church of Scientology publication revealed David Miscavige’s long term goal — that Clearwater would come to be known as the first “Scientology city.”

Well, now Tampa Bay Times reporter Tracey McManus has an excellent new piece about how, to the city’s horror, Miscavige really means to make that idea become a reality.

“The Church of Scientology is maneuvering to control all downtown real estate to create a master retail district that will operate under its management and oversight,” she writes. And now it makes more sense why Miscavige has asked to meet individually with Clearwater city council members today and tomorrow to, apparently, try and dissuade them from purchasing a 1.4-acre parcel next to Scientology’s Fort Harrison Hotel that is supposedly a done deal.

Hey, Clearwater dumbasses, are you never going to learn? As a service to the spineless city government, we’re going to, once again, reprint this 1979 editorial from the defunct Clearwater Sun in the hopes that it might inspire some backbone…

 

Now It’s Time for Action

Clearwater Sun, Nov 27, 1979

There comes a time in the history of a community when the talking has to stop and direct action has to start.

It seems to the Sun such a time has arrived for Clearwater, in its relation to the Church of Scientology.

The cult has been here four years. For a time, the possibility might have existed that a form of detente could be worked out between the Scientologists and the people of Clearwater. But the recent release of thousands of Scientology documents in Washington, D.C. has put such a possibility forever behind us.

These documents have indelibly stamped Scientology as an agency of vengeance and wrongdoing, of malice and mischief.

For years the Sun’s editorial position has been that the cult of Scientology is bad for Clearwater and should leave this city.

Now it is time to act. Here is what we are doing:

— As of today, the Clearwater Sun is ceasing all business contact with the Scientology organization. We have removed our vending machines from all cult-owned property, and we henceforth will refuse any advertising from the Scientologists.

— We are urging all Clearwater-area businesses to cut off trade with the Scientology organization. We do NOT advocate that businesses refuse to deal with individual members of the cult nor fail to honor contractual obligations, but we do encourage vendors and tradesmen to stop supplying goods and services to the cult’s buildings and property.

— Beginning today the Sun will not publish the name and address of any person who writes to us with criticism or adverse comments on Scientology. Letters still must be signed, but we will not reveal the writers’ identities, to protect them from harassment by the Scientologists.

Some of these measures are distasteful to us, but the cult on Fort Harrison has shown it is more than deserving of distasteful actions. We particularly are concerned that we must allow our letter writers to resort to secrecy, but the documents in Washington show that Scientologists don’t want our readers to have their say. They have compiled intelligence files on those who criticized the organization, even branding them as enemies to be investigated.

Normally the Sun requires proper identification to appear with any letter we print on our editorial pages. However, we are persuaded that continuation of this policy will prevent the full use of our pages as a forum on Scientology because some would-be writers will fear retaliation by the cult.

These above steps are for openers. There will be others. It is our passionate belief that Clearwater must rid itself of the offices of Scientology. Action must be taken, not merely by the Sun, and not on a short-term basis. But a start has to be made by someone.

The Sun is doing this because of our conviction that the following things are true:

1. Scientology is not a religion, as it claims to be, but rather a for-profit group that uses religion as a guise to escape taxes and separate credulous men and women of large sums of money in exchange for superficial training in mental and emotional disciplines.

2. Scientologists of both high and low rank have in behalf of the cult, engaged in lying, theft, burglary, breaking and entering, conspiracy, and illegal harassment of private citizens.

3. The presence of Scientology in Clearwater constitutes a clear and present danger to the continued prosperity of the community and its citizens.

4. Despite the revelations found in the Washington documents and the recent adjudications of guilt of conspiracy by Scientology leaders, not one local Scientologist has publicly repudiated the wrongdoing evidenced in the cult’s documents or the admissions of those leaders.

5. Individual Scientologists have repeatedly and over several years lied about their activities.

6. The weight of what has happened in the past four years is evidence too strong to ignore, that Scientologists will resort to whatever means are required for them to survive and prosper. The Sun does not and cannot believe that Scientology will change. Therefore, it is a blight upon Clearwater.

Our actions in connection with Scientology are not taken lightly.

We are especially concerned that our opposition to the cult not be taken as malice toward individual members. These men and women deserve pity, not hostility. And we exhort the citizens of Clearwater to behave legally and with moderation toward each cult member.

But the organization itself is large, rich and well able to defend its position. For that reason we cannot undertake these actions with a faint heart or while sounding an uncertain trumpet.

And we do not.

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,683 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,786 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,280 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,320 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,032 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 499 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,617 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,787 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,107 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,082 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 438 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,740 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 847 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,249 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,122 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 703 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,208 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,452 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,561 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 7, 2017 at 07:00

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  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Checking out photos for the “Artists for Peace and Justice” shindig, I see that Tom Cruise’s Mission Impossible co-star Jeremy Renner was there. Cruise’s “arrangement” victim Nazanin Boniadi was there too. Meanwhile I can’t help but wonder that fun little Tommy was up to that night. Probably holding the cans, trying to shake off those pesky body thetans…
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  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Roger Hornaday

      “The educated call me a sociopath.”

    • Kestrel

      I’m thinking the number of successful calling him for advice is dwarfed by the successful who think of him as pretentious douchecanoe.

    • Observer

      Great. Now I need to go take a shower.

    • kemist

      I call him a douchenozzle.

      That’s what normal people do when they see just how obnoxious he is in every conceivable way.

    • Elegant Mess

      Blech!

    • Harmless Weirdo

      I don’t get it. Why would successful people need to call Grant Cardone for advice? They’re already succesful! Why would they need to ask this walking bag of douche anything?

      And Bob Duggan–wow. The horrors of chronic Botox abuse is the next cause the Foundation for a Drug-Free World should take up….

      • Noesis

        Nobody successful calls Grant Cardone for anything…he’s the Amway of business advisors.

        Crappy offering, huge markups, mostly stored in the garage (next to the multiple boxes of “The Basics” the same suckers were also sold.)

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “We want all Seattle Scientologists in attendance, and your family and friends there too.”

    Well, that was one hell of a turnout they got there. Just 4 lonely clams in all of Seattle. That sounds IDEAL to me!
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    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Good find!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      4 OT’s = 4,000,000,0000,0000,000000000000 Light year kilotons per microsecond of POWER. 4 OT’s are greater than nine billion wogs.

      • Ben Franklin

        That is until someone brings out the “Call me” sign and the 4 OT’s kiloton power drops to zero.

        • Missionary Kid

          You should see the ignore, avoid, and hide tech that the $cientologists apply if you walk around with a CALL ME sign. I felt like a cross between typhoid Mary, a beggar in the streets of a third world country and a leper in their minds.

          I had people cross the street or go out in the street and walk between the parked cars and traffic so they wouldn’t have to share a sidewalk with me or walk past me. Others would make it a point to avert their eyes.

          They don’t have power over shit, let alone MEST.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          That is until someone brings out the “Call me” sign and the 4 OT’s kiloton power drops to zero.

          As the Founder wrote, “Scientology cannot thrive in an atmosphere of suppression.” And so yes. When the “call me” signs appear Scientology falls down and can’t get up.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ad73f0857de7edbd57165132d513d736cf34ccbd90f48ca61eeddc0d933067d.png

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      you know, its hard out there for a pimp. …. I mean a clam.

    • Ben Franklin

      I am curious to know what happened to the other millions who did not attend this event.

      • Kestrel

        They were there in spirit.

    • ExCult.Jan

      “4 went. 0 interested.”

      Fastest growing religion on the planet.

      Hahahaha hahahahaahahaha hahahaaaa!

      • Noesis

        One could read that as… that even the four that went…weren’t interested.

        They were all under the radar and “went” just to stay on the down low.

  • Frodis73

    Totally off topic and weird…have you guys heard the story about Richard Simmons allegedly being held under the control of or against his will by his housekeeper? That story just will not die and he is still no where to be seen.. Very odd.

    • Kestrel

      I’d heard about nobody seeing him for a few years, but this is the first I’ve heard about the housekeeper. Maybe he’s just done with people.

      • Frodis73

        He gave this weird interview over the phone like 6mos or so ago when the rumors first surfaced and said he’d be back soon…nothing. Now the person that insists this is going on is saying it again. Something’s up.

        • jayla197145

          This is kind of neither here nor there, but years ago we had a big fitness fundraiser put on by my work, and he was the special guest. He lead us all in a workout, and then sat down on the stage and gave this talk all about loving yourself, being good to yourself, etc. He seemed like such a sweet, gentle, caring soul. I heard about that story too, I hope he is OK.

          • Frodis73

            Me too. He does seem like a nice guy. I hope this isn’t true.

    • Ella Raitch

      Just heard recently that people were concerned for him

    • ReallyMGM

      Just a bit of RS trivia related to Fellini: Richard Simmons was in “Felinni Satyricon” as an uncredited actor (the lyre player.) I think it was the orgy scene.

      I do hope he ok. He hasn’t been seen or heard from in a while now.

    • Juicer77

      Not sure what the story is, but this has been circulating for a while. I hope he’s ok and not being abused.

  • Mick Roberts

    Sorry if this has been answered, but regarding the Danny Masterson story that Tony broke, does anyone know if the LAPD has been asked whether or not they’re also investigating the church of Scientology for the alleged cover-up? Or do they have to first investigate DM (the actor, not that COB fella) to make sure there was even a crime to cover up in the first place?

    • Missionary Kid

      No body has said, but I’m willing to bet that if there is an investigation, that it will be of individuals. Going into the operation of the cult will entail a much larger budget.

      Besides, there will be a raft of $cientologists who will have been briefed on exactly what to say. First, they’ll try to save Danny Masterson, but, above all, to keep the cops away from $cientology.

      • Noesis

        “…First, they’ll try to save Danny Masterson..”

        I’d suggest that first they’ll try to save senior Scientology management (especially DM.) That’s always the priority and has been for 60+ years.

        The they’ll make a pass at salvaging the public reputation of Masterson, but if it’s an either / or deal, Masterson will be thrown under the Bluebird bus that Scientology senior management uses to drive away in…so they can “keep the show on the road” …literally if necessary.

        • Missionary Kid

          I wasn’t talking about the priority. Of course, the top priority is ALWAYS DM. Next comes $cientology, then any executives/management.

          I was looking at how they’ll handle things. Masterson will be first defended, but there will always be a series of cutouts to protect each level. It’s like a series of walls and barriers to protect a castle, where the king lives: Ratcavige.

    • Noesis

      Not sure what anybody was “asked” but the headline of the article that Tony wrote breaking the story was:

      “LAPD PROBING SCIENTOLOGY AND DANNY MASTERSON FOR MULTIPLE RAPES, COVER-UP”

      http://tonyortega.org/2017/03/03/lapd-probing-scientology-and-danny-masterston-for-multiple-rapes-cover-up/

      • Mick Roberts

        Good point. Just heard that they only made a statement about the rapes (DM), not the cover-up (CoS).

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
  • Quick empathy

    A 1977 FBI raid on Scientology headquarters uncovered internal Church of Scientology documents marked “Top Secret” that referred to their secret operation to take over Clearwater as “Project Normandy.” The document itself states its purpose is “to obtain enough data on the Clearwater area to be able to determine what groups and individuals will need to penetrate and handle in order to establish area control.” The document says its “Major Target” is “To fully investigate the Clearwater city and county area so we can distinguish our friends from our enemies and handle as needed.” – copied from Wikipedia. Tony also has information about Project Normandy.

    So easy to find on the internet….. So hard for some people to understand. People we aren’t making this stuff up.

  • Frodis73

    Check out this gossipy but excellent twitter accnt. Looks like DMasterson transferred his property into somebody name…right after he was reported for rape. Guess he transferred it to Michael Pena’s wife.
    Sorry if re-post, I just saw it.
    https://twitter.com/Aintdatsumshizz

    • Kestrel

      ain’t dat sum…

    • Chee Chalker

      I wonder if the name ‘DJ SerialRapist’ was already taken when Danny thought of MomJeans

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      So the cop investing these rapes, sits everyday under a photo of the husband of the woman that the Perp transferred his property over to. WTF?

      • Taffy Sinclair

        You are so fucking correct, that is sick af.

  • nunyabidnes

    Kinda OT, but what ideas do people here have about inoculating our young adult children against cults? I have two sons that I kind of worry about them getting sucked into one of these cults, and I’ve wondered about how you can help your children grow up with a resistance to them. My younger son is watching “The Path” on Hulu which is about a cult. He told me it’s crazy and scary how they operate, so I was very happy to hear him tell me that. Do we need to watch shows like that with our young teens? Just telling our kids as they are growing up about the dangers of these individuals is not enough, I don’t think. How many of us listened to our parents’ words of wisdom? Many of us not until we got burned. If our children get burned in the form of getting into one of these cults, it may be too late, and we’ll never see them again.

    • Kristen

      I’d say get them started on critical thinking and logic.

      • Frodis73

        This.

    • Kristen

      (Chris Shelton is a good resource)

      • Quick empathy

        Love Chris Shelton! He does have some very good pod casts and I’m sure he has something that will help you with that. Oh and check out culteducation.com

        • Taffy Sinclair

          He’s also very easy on the eyes… Ladies? Are you with me?

    • Missionary Kid

      If you know any exes, have them talk to you about it. You can also use ex Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and former fundamentalist Christians (that’s what I am).

    • Missionary Kid

      To add, Leah’s series is pretty good. The love bombing is something that sucks people in. I forget who talked about how they got sucked in. All the people who weren’t born in got sucked in.

    • chukicita

      Scientology and other high-control organizations depend on people’s vulnerability, including a complete understanding of critical thinking. There are several ‘baloney detection kits’ available – and there are age-appropriate ways to teach important warning signs to empower kids to make informed decisions. Here’s one http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

    • Jimmy3

      Make them join a cult early so they can see how bad it sucks. Like how some parents catch their kid smoking and make them chain smoke an entire pack

      • Joe

        “You like Scientology, huh?! Well, here’s a whole carton of Dianetics!”

      • nunyabidnes

        Right? Make them yell at an ashtray for 5 hours and read the dictionary for another 12 – with no breaks.

    • Noesis

      “…I’ve wondered about how you can help your children grow up with a resistance to [cults.]…”

      My advice would be to show them this picture:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e808588fc657c0dc03ccb7aada4d941137371ecfea00d3254f5a5347ba33ee57.jpg

      • Joe

        Dude, you can’t show me this picture at night before I go to bed. It’s like asking for nightmares.

    • Joe

      Teach them to think for themselves, to think critically, that getting more information from multiple sources is a good thing, foster high self-esteem so that no one can convince them of a “ruin” that doesn’t exist, and finally, just love them as unconditionally as possible.

  • exccla

    andrea morse [doven] was working with tom c. Closely in 1990-1991 or longer. I guess she was in the cherch then or he got her in.

  • Chee Chalker

    This Clearwater deal must be important to the little madman. There are an inordinate amounts of Scilons upvoting and commenting over at the TBT. They are easy to spot as they usually begin with ‘I am not a Scientologist, but….’.
    Someone is risking a whole bunch of entheta being read just for upvotes!

    • GrangerFX

      I am not a Scientologist’s butt …

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I see what you did there, lolz!

    • Qbird

      Standard Operating Procedure, right? I’ve been noodling around and came on this, dox on OSA handlings of entheta – worksheets, drills, senerios etc. — the whole crap shebang on how to train
      to handle dumbass db wogs, from Frank Oliver:

      http://mirror.wikileaks.info/leak/scientology-frank-oliver-osa.pdf

      Don’t know if that helps anything at all but, hey, good to know how they operate.
      Did you know, Chee, that the scions who attack get points on their stats for a week?

      7. Section: 1. GENERAL PUBLIC TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC

      8. DEMO: Why the only way to defend is to attack.

      1 point if the attack is local

      2 points if regional

      4 points if national

      • Chee Chalker

        Thank you for the attached! Interesting stuff. Frightening too. This is a new rabbit hole I am going down…!

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Not to sound dumb, but.. what’s TBT?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    At least Nancy got her film made. That other clam production “In Search of Liberty” is back crowd-sourcing: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/in-search-of-liberty-educate-entertain-movie-film–2#/updates
    It seems that even with Trump in the White House and ignoring labor laws this thing is still floundering. Maybe they ought to cast alt-right flavor of the month Princess Joy Villa as Betsy Ross!
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    • Kestrel

      http://deadline.com/2016/12/in-search-of-liberty-movie-release-date-norm-novitsky-bobby-deen-1201877221/

      EXCLUSIVE: Tea Party activist Norm Novitsky’s In Search Of Liberty, a crowdfunded feature film about the U.S. Constitution that ran into labor problems earlier this year in Georgia, has completed production in South Carolina and will be heading straight to DVD early next year, according to a recent posting on the film’s website.

      “Principal photography is complete,” the site says, “and it is going to be an outstanding movie! The next stage is post-production. We are targeting to have the movie completed before the end of the year with distribution and marketing beginning in the first quarter 2017.”

      The world awaits with bated breath.

      • Frodis73

        Oh goodie.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      With two months to go, it looks like they’re going to fall a little short of their goal…how sad 😉

  • flyonthewall
    • iampissed

      Yea no big deal, I met a president when I was about 9 or so. I shook the hand of Nixon
      and then said the immortal words as only a 9 yo can. “I thought I was meeting the governor”.
      I’m not to sure if my grandmother was mortified or had a side smirk.
      It’s my story and I’m sticky to it.

      • Liberated

        I saw Nixon too….I wasn’t driving and had no control over the situation….don’t judge me.

        My impression was surprise at how small he looked.

        • TexasBroad

          When I was in college and too poor to replace my broken glasses, I saw Gerald Ford all over the place!

          • Liberated

            lol

    • Frodis73

      What a dick. I hate that man. He should have stayed on People’s Court.

  • We’ve seen what happens when someone is invited to a non-Scientologist wedding at the Fort Harrison, but Scientology doesn’t like them: They get dis-invited.

    Imagine what would happen to a store owner in Scientology’s retail zone if they didn’t conform to Scientology’s policies and whims, like not allowing critics and SP inside their store?

    • Noesis

      Not only that…but if you do enter one of the Scientology Ideal Outdoor Mall stores…you will be held captive until you max out your credit cards buying a bunch of crap you don’t want.

      Scientology shop owners will be out on the sidewalk yelling at passers-by, commanding them to come inside and buy something…because prices will be rising 10% each month until infinity…or something.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      We already know what happens.They won’t get any pizza. Just ask Mark Bunker.

  • TexasBroad

    OT, but after watching Andrea Doven earlier, I thought of Black Rob’s “I-have-a-Thetan-who-does-things -to-my-mirror” and went over there for the first time in ages. He hasn’t posted since last Aug of last year. I enjoyed that thread and hope all is well with him.
    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/i-have-a-thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-its-annoying-what-should-i-do.105033

  • outraged

    Speaking of films, Rotten Tomatoes has their 91% My Scientology Movie reviews out now…because of UK opening(?).

    Great blurbs, the rocks are overturned and the grubs can’t hide anymore.
    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/my_scientology_movie

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7cff724aae20c04b3f1726c9ddcdce8fe31be91e99499f17adff9b0b48e768d.png

  • Kim O’Brien

    Al Frakan for President !

    • Liberated

      Don’t ya just love him?

    • Jimmy3

      He’s good enough, he’s smart enough and, doggone it, people like him.

    • Ben Franklin

      It is hard to believe that he used to be a comedian. At first some people thought it was a joke for him to be elected but he has been one most effective people in the senate.

    • Liberated

      I know you’re 2 hrs. behind me, but Al is on L. O’Donnell at 10.

  • Dear friend just reminded me of this song.

    A Perfect Circle-Fiddle And The Drum
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHub8SQmngk

    • Jimmy3

      Only squares listen to perfect circle

      • And Puscifer Tools.

      • Ben Franklin

        The triangles and the rectangles thinks it’s kind of weird for squares to do that.

    • outraged

      LOVE this song. Forgot all about it.
      The words get only stronger as the years go on.
      https://youtu.be/u6z79WMOPtk

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        That takes a lot of guts to sing a cappella, especially on TV. That’s a high wire act that you rarely see anymore.

        • outraged

          Classy classy lady. She poured her soul in her songs. Not only her poetry.

  • Observer
    • chukicita

      Sweet dreams!

    • Rofl! Good night and thank you.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I go away for a few hours and come back to find this:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d75ed78f35527bf10adaf2cb8ce58cbc0d913b7908114bc206f6e64383215273.png

    It’s a sign! It’s what you get when Paul Haggis is allowed in a story!

    • It’s me. Don’t think of it!

    • Jimmy3

      And he cause all, both minnow and whale, wog and squirrel, public and ogre slave, to receive a marty in their right meat hand, or in their meatheads. And that it would be out-exchange for any thetan to reg or to donate, save the thetan that had the marty, or the name of the psych beast, or the number of its name times forty-seven. Here is theta: Let him that hath cognitions clay demo the number of the psych beast, for it is the number of a suppressive person, and its number is six hundred threescore and six.

      The Book of Ronelation

      • daisy

        ramen brother acorn

    • Missionary Kid

      Remember that an earlier scripture that was recently uncovered had the number as 616. “While 666 is called the “number of the beast” in most manuscripts of Revelation 13:18, a fragment of papyrus 115 gives the number as 616.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_(number)

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    What an excellent editorial from the Clearwater Sun. I am extremely impressed with the content and how concisely that was written. I’m sorry they are no longer in business, but then again I’m sorry that so many print newspapers have gone bankrupt. Thanks for reprinting that. I also think it took no small amount of courage to print that…good for them !!

  • Jimmy3

    I see you. I know what you’re up to!

  • Jack99
    • Juicer77

      If you’re not into Sci watching and Louis Theroux’s style, this is pretty accurate. I still found it really interesting for 2 reasons. 1) Andrew Perez as Miscavige is really intensely scary at times. It’s a great performance. 2) Rathbun’s interactions with Theroux and the actors. He berates the actors for not getting the benefit of the TR levels he’s been teaching them, despite the fact that they are actors. Acting. He also gets angry at Theroux at one point without much provocation. I got the feeling Rathbun was playing up to the cameras to make a “climax” scene, but Theroux did touch a nerve. Most interestingly, listen to the way Rathbun expresses himself. The word choices and reactions are fascinating.

      • That feeling of Rathburn “playing up for the camera” and “getting angry” might be explained by Rathburn applying Scientology to Louis – ‘confronting’ him (unsuccessfully) or some such.

        • Juicer77

          Yes. That is supported by the reaction he gave when the actors didn’t get “amazing” powers from his training. A true Tech believer confronted by a room full of people on whom it didn’t work.

  • Khalil

    very interesting story

    • pluvo

      I’ve a question, Khalil:

      In the article “Man denied security clearance at work for being a Scientologist” https://www.thelocal.de/20160713/man-denied-security-clearance-at-work-for-being-a-scientologist, you have commented: “Scientology is a good religion. I have been a scientologist since ten years now and everything is fine.”

      In the comments at the Underground Bunker you have said: “Although I am not a scientologist, I must say that I am facinated with scientology… .” http://tonyortega.org/2016/07/11/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-caretaker-and-friend-steve-sarge-pfauth-1945-2016/

      So what is it: Trolling, lying – both?

      • Khalil

        I’am not a scientologist but I defend their right to believe what they want.

        • pluvo

          This is in discrepancy with your “I have been a scientologist since ten years now and everything is fine.”

          “I’m not a Scientologist, but …” is just a Scio tactic to deceive.

          • Khalil

            Believe me I’m not a scientologist, but I think scientology is a modern and tolerant religion. I don’t understand why it is attacked in the West.

            • HTC

              Why are you on this blog then?

            • Khalil

              to defend the freedom of religion

            • We’re here to defend the victims of abuse by an organisation that first presented itself as “The Modern Science of Mental Health” then cynically adopted religious trappings in order to evade tax.

              Those who defend the human right to hold religious beliefs (like myself) should also condemn organisations like Scientology which:

              a) Pretend to religious status in order to accumulate billions of dollars
              b) Abuse, discard and sometimes persecute its own members

              It gives genuine Churches a bad name.

              Besides – how does criticism of an organisation damage religious freedom? We are just as entitled to our beliefs as Scientologists are to theirs.

              It’s just a pity that nobody in the organisation has the courage to defend their ‘religion’ in detail. The best we get here is irrelevant one-liners from people like yourself.

            • Qbird

              All right then. Make Action: Go buy some scientology, see how that works out for you.
              Report back
              if you are able
              enough.

            • TheKremlinCandidate

              In the ‘West’? Where is it not attacked?

            • pluvo

              Believe me, it is not a tolerant religion. The tolerance is a front and pretended for PR reasons. Their internal policies are anything else than tolerant. I should know, I was a member for many years.

              Former members who have spoken out: http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out

              About abuses: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25271-David-Miscavige-s-abuses-and-violence

              Which country are you from?

            • pluvo

              PS: F5/refresh page (I’ve corrected the link to “Former members who have spoken out”.)

            • Missionary Kid

              In my opinion, Scinetology is only a modern religion because it is only 60 years old. It is not a tolerant religion. Scientologists say that they are tolerant, but as one progresses in it, no other religions are tolerated. Lying, or “acceptable truths” to people outside of Scientology is actually taught as a part of the Training Routines.

              The personality test that Scientology gives was never developed by any academics. It’s purpose is to find the things that concern a person, and to point out their deficiencies. Once those are determined, the sales pitch is started. “Scientology can help you with that” is the standard phrase, then one is pushed to buy Dianetics, with its miraculous claims, or to take a course. Money is the goal.

            • Not a Scientologist Butt

              Only liars say “Believe me”. Only scientologists say “I’m not a scientologist, but…”
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAiv83yU9_8

            • Qbird

              because of people’s modern & tolerant real life stories, Khalil.
              not just Lisa McPherson.

              Greg Bashaw

              Nancy Many

              Rex Flowler

              Noah Antrim

              Susan Meister

              John Colletto

              Bob Schaffner

              Quentin Hubbard

              Mary Florence Barnett

              Patrice Vic

              James Stewart

              Steve Brackett

              Philip Chandler Gale

              Jeremy Perkins

              Gary Don Beals

              Bo Jonsson

              Karin Hommeberg

              Göran Andersson

              Jorge Arroyo

              Remy Petit

              Biggi Reichert

              Cathriona White

              Evgeny Zharkin

              There are more. Too many. Research for yourself.
              There are also many former members who do survive.
              Vic A.
              Vic B.
              Vic C.
              More stories for you to listen to; they speak out.
              Thousands, from all over the world. north south east west.
              This modern “religion” sells certainty… you must buy into it.
              This tolerant “church” dangles the idea of clearing yourself
              of the heritage of woe
              by paying money.
              This doesn’t work. They sell lies.
              The Church of Scientology sells L. Ron Hubbard’s fiction.

        • Juicer77

          In previous comments you said you were a Scientologist. Have you left the group? If so, congratulations. There is a lot of support out here in the wider world.

    • Missionary Kid

      Is English a second language for you?

      • Khalil

        yes.

        • Missionary Kid

          Tenses are difficult in English. If you were in Scientology for 10 years, that is what you say.

          When you say, “I have been a Scientologist since 10 years now…” That means that you are still a Scientologist.

          The question is, are you still a member of the Church of Scientology, or are you an independent Scientologist? [I see that you answered it below].

          You can believe anything that you want. That isn’t the problem. If you are still a member of the Church of Scientology, headed up by David Miscavige, then this place is considered entheta by that body, and your are acting as a PTS, since there are many critics expressing negative opinions about Scientology.

          I know that many people consider that they have had “wins” using the methods taught by Scientology. I have to believe them, but I also want to point out that a part of auditing is the insistence on declaring a “win” at the end of an auditing session.

          The problem with those “wins”, in my opinion, is that much of those wins could well be attained with conventional psychotherapy that is client directed, instead of directed by the person doing the auditing. I happen to have been involved with auditing that was derived from Dianetics, but with at least 2 degrees of separation.

          In the auditing I was involved with, there was almost no cost, and it was done somewhat along the lines that LRH originally conceived, where two people take turns auditing each other. The only cost was a small donation towards the administrative cost of keeping a list of people who were willing to audit each other. (This was before email and computers).

          Nothing was written down, and the rules were that unless a previous relationship existed outside of the person who one was auditing, that one should not be established. Auditing between friends and relatives was discouraged.

          The ethics that were taught were about privacy. The only guidance that the auditor would provide was to keep the person talking about their feelings. If a person avoided talking about something, the auditor would ask the person talking if they wanted to talk about it. If they didn’t, that was it.

          I found it helpful, but I believe that I made more progress from “psychs” that I used. On the other hand, I also used it in conjunction with a conventional therapist, and because I could use the auditing more often, I used it.

          I am 72, and my first contact with Dianetics was probably in the late 50’s, when my sister was involved with it. A.E. Van Voght was another science fiction writer who started out with LRH, but didn’t follow him into Scientology. I was a young teenager, and I found it interesting, but when I finally read Dianetics, I found it filled with claims that are simply untrue, as well as with concepts that are outmoded.

          I agree that anyone can believe anything they wish. My objections to the so called Church of Scientology is the treatment of its members, especially in regards to demands for obedience (especially disconnection) and the extreme financial obligations, as well as the fair game policy, which I have witnessed.

          Scientology, to me, is an outmoded, secretive belief system that has no science behind it.

          I’m going to bed right now, but I will get notification if you answer.

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, newbies and lurkers and under-the-radars. Today’s coffee is Costa Rica medium and the tea is Lady Grey. f5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b42e0a85e19fbd67bca876a3e7d56ab278a57615f2671b9e2773fc0c28075181.jpg

    • califa007

      It looks like one of my cats has been moonlighting at your place. I’ll have to have a word with him. Funny, he never drinks tea for me.

      • Ann B Watson

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      • Juicer77

        You found out!!! LOL