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66 years ago, L. Ron Hubbard transubstantiated from pulp writer to god among men

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Sixty-six years ago today, L. Ron Hubbard published his surprise bestseller, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health.

In 2013, we read Dianetics from cover to cover with the help of former church member Vance Woodward, and we produced a blog series that we hope you will use as a companion as you slog through the book yourself. Or spare yourself the trouble and just read our summaries.

Dianetics is truly a vile book. We’re not even going to pretend that L. Ron Hubbard had something useful or true to say in it. He was clearly a crank — announcing that his nonexistent “research” had led him to discoveries that rivaled man’s taming of fire, for example — and then he proceeded to describe a “science” of the mind which has no science in it of any kind. But it’s not just that he was catastrophically wrong when he applied a Reader’s Digest understanding of early computers to an occult fantasy about how the human mind works. Even worse, this book is one of the most misogynistic we’ve read, even taking into account the era during which it was published.

Dianetics has you trying to “remember” experiences that happened to you when you were egg, sperm, or fetus (they’re actually “recovered” memories that have been invented during a hypnotic state Hubbard called a “reverie”) and Hubbard prepares you for the shocking truth that your mother was a right murderous whore. As a result of rough sex with dad, misadventures on the toilet, multiple abortion attempts, and other horrors that she put you through when you were gestating in her womb, she set you up for an adulthood haunted by memories you never knew you had — until Hubbard figured out how to help you excavate them from your “reactive mind.” (Do we even need to explain further that no evidence for the existence of a reactive mind has turned up in the 66 years since?)

Post-war self-importance combined with America’s everpresent anti-intellectualism proved fertile ground for this contemptible package of delusions, and Hubbard had a hit on his hands. And years later, after Hubbard had upped the ante and was charging marks exorbitant hourly rates (up to $1,000 an hour today) to “remember” what foul deeds had been done to them millions of years ago on other planets, Dianetics and its hateful treatment of women is still pushed on the public as an introduction to Hubbard’s “applied philosophy.”

You can imagine why we’re pretty skeptical when we ask a Scientologist (current or former) what first got them into the organization and they tell us that Dianetics swept them off their feet. We usually figure that they feel obliged to say that, and we suspect that most Scientologists have never actually read the book in its entirety and they’re unfamiliar with how nasty this thing really is.

Anyway, on this anniversary, we wanted to admit to having let you all down. During our blog series on Dianetics, we managed to pull out a lot of amazing material with Vance, but somehow, we glossed over one passage that really does deserve to get some attention. It comes later in the book when, we will admit, we were pretty sick of what we were reading and were maybe not so careful to pick up every disgusting thing Hubbard was foisting on his readers. So, we regret to say, we failed to highlight the following passage, which occurs on page 336 of our 1950 first edition hardback of the book, in the chapter “Mechanisms and Aspects of Therapy”…

There are two axioms about mind function with which the auditor should be familiar…The first axiom is of interest to the auditor in his work because with it he can clearly
establish whether or not he is confronting a rational reaction. The seven-year-old girl who shudders because a man kisses her is not computing; she is reacting to an engram since at seven she should see nothing wrong in a kiss, not even a passionate one. There must have been an earlier experience, possibly prenatal, which made men or kissing very bad.

 
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Let that sink in for a moment. Hubbard is saying that a seven-year-old who doesn’t enjoy a grown man kissing her passionately has something wrong with her mentally.

And some people worship this noxious creep as a god.

(Even today, this is a major date on the calendar for Scientologists. In 1987 on this day, for example, Scientologists Mimi Rogers and Tom Cruise got married. Cute.)

Please, if you haven’t done so before, we invite you on this anniversary to experience our chapter-by-chapter adventure through Dianetics as we lived it three years ago. May it forever inoculate you from the thing itself…

Blogging Dianetics, Part 1: Vance Woodward Helps Us Parse L. Ron Hubbard’s Masterpiece (1/4/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 2: The State of Clear! (1/11/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 3: The Meaning of Life! (1/18/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 4: Dynamically Speaking (1/25/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 5: Your Mind is a 1950s Computer (2/1/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 6: Reactive Mind Games (2/8/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 7: The Hard Cell (2/15/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 8: The Demon Seed (2/22/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 9: Hubbard and Perversion! (2/28/13)
Blogging Dianetics, Part 10: Killing the Grizzly (3/7/13)
Your Life as Sperm or Egg: L. Ron Hubbard’s Mad Genius
(3/14/13)
The Mother and Child Reunion: Another Dianetics Nightmare (3/21/13)
In Dianetics, the Uterus is a Frightening Place (3/28/13)
The Secret to Scientology’s “Wins” Revealed? (4/4/13)
Dianetics: Your Life Was Ruined Before Birth by Your Parents and Their Dumb Culture (4/11/13)
Hysterical Hyper-Sight, and Other Lost Concepts of Dianetics (4/18/13)
Dianetics is Not Hypnosis — Well, Except For That “You Are Feeling Sleepy” Part (4/26/13)
Dianetics: Super Colon Blow For Your Mind (5/2/13)
Babylon Surmising: Dianetics Rights an Ancient Wrong (5/16/13)
A Womb With a View: More Dianetics Just-So Stories (5/23/13)
Word To Your Mother: Dianetics And Its Lack of Boundaries (5/30/13)
Dianetics Has No Patience for ESP or Telepathy — That’s Pseudoscience! (6/6/13)
This is Your Dianetics on Drugs: The Nitrous Engram (6/13/13)
Dianetics Noir: Dangerous Women Hiding Their Womb-Secrets (6/20/13)
Blogging Scientology’s Bible: Vance, We’ve Reached the Finish Line! (6/28/13)

 
PS: For those wondering what happened to Vance, he is still an attorney in Los Angeles. Some of you will remember that he produced a book and a blog on Scientology which were screamingly funny and some of the best written material about the subject. But he later took all that material out of circulation, and then he sued the church, unsuccessfully. He appealed the dismissal of his lawsuit, and oral arguments for the appeal are coming in June. We’ll keep an eye on it.

 
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That’s no ordinary sunspot

Off topic alert: This morning we have an opportunity to witness a fairly rare sight — a transit of Mercury.

Transits of Mercury happen when we see the small planet cross in front of the sun. It’s a phenomenon that happens about 13 times a century. The last was in 2006, the next will be in 2019 and then not again until 2032. The orbit of the earth and the orbit of Mercury are tilted to each other, and our orbits line up with the sun only a couple of times a year, and once every several years when we’re in that position Mercury also happens to be there. When that happens, we see Mercury slowly cross the disc of the sun as a tiny perfectly round dot. (Phil Plait at Slate has a nice writeup on it.)

Of course, you shouldn’t actually observe it directly without special equipment, and the safest thing is to watch it streamed live online, which is probably what we’re going to do this time.

We’ve seen transits of Mercury in the past with our own equipment, and in 2004 we also observed the much, much rarer occasion of a transit of Venus. Transits of Venus come in pairs separated by centuries. After the duo of 2004 and 2012, the next won’t be until 2117 and 2125.

For the 2004 transit of Venus, we had to catch the sun just above the horizon from a farm in Missouri with our camera mounted on a telescope. We were worried about clouds on the horizon, but it turned out to create a dramatic photo…

 
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Venus is much larger than Mercury not only in actual size but also because it’s much closer to us during a transit. So if you look for Mercury today, please keep in mind that it’s a much tinier disc on the Sun than you see in this photo. And send us your own photo if you manage to snag it!

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 9, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    Dianetics: the prose of cons

    $cientology: overboarding, the spiritual path to overhoarding.

    Asterix, Obelix and Dianetix – an adventure filled with
    magic potions, elixirs and a feast with wild spoiled bores.
    Starring Vistaril, Cacophonix, Miscavix and 4,747 Sea Ogres.
    No body thetans were hurt in the filming of this extravacanza.

    I believe DM is a big fan of Freddie Mercury,
    especially when playing musical chairs.
    “We Will Crock You” probably.
    There’s at least something you have in common, Tony.
    His dad prefers something more mercurial, the Floyd –
    “Set the controls for the heart of the son”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zuEfmmCA5s

    • Juicer77

      …spoiled bores… XD

    • jazzlover

      Somewhere, Syd Barrett smiles and laughs uncontrollably, while Roger Waters thinks about Sheep and scrambles desperately to find a suitable word that rhymes with “hitchhiking” 🙂

  • Mark

    How many more trees must be needlessly sacrificed before this odious rubbish is consigned to the papier-mâché bucket of history? (Redouble efforts to recycle):

    • Newiga

      Misread: “The papier-mâché bucket of misery” :::D

      • Mark

        A much better reading! Papier-mâché DOES tend to look like solidified misery (F5):

        • Dice ✓

          perfect for word salad!

        • Newiga

          Looks like what they might serve on the RPF. :S

          • Dice ✓

            Now they can eat the Source!

            • Newiga

              They should save some books and use it as TP

          • Mark

            It reminds me of certain servings of porridge I’ve had to endure…

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Have I ever told you that I love you, Mark?

  • Newiga

    Dianetic Haiku (I hope it’s a haiku. Syllables work differently in my native language.)

    Narcissistic loon,
    Misogynistic brain diarrhea,
    Diabolics book one

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Everything works differently in Finnish. 🙂
      Taxi was the only word I learned there.

      • Newiga

        😀 Lesson two: Yksi kalja, kiitos!

        • salin

          Not that I can read to understand Norwegian – but I can read it aloud and be pretty close. My Mom always said Finnish was the most distinct of the Nordic languages – and indeed I think I could only take a stab at pronouncing the second word (guessing sounds like cahlyah?) 😀

          • Newiga

            Cahlyah is pretty close. You’d get a beer for sure. 😉

            Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and Icelandic are Scandinavian languages. Finnish is not. It is a Finno-Ugric language. 😛

            • salin

              That would explain how it is so distinct from the others. 😀

            • Newiga

              Yeah, we are the odd balls between Sweden and Russia. 😉

            • salin

              🙂

            • Juicer77
            • Graham

              Let’s not forget our old friend the Kvikk Lunsj 😉 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvikk_Lunsj

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I see what you did there.

            • Juicer77

              Mmmm…. my favorite kind of lunsj!

            • salin

              Thank you so much! Bookmarked!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You’re forgetting Sami, Newi. Sami people live in Norway, Sweden, Finland and the Kola peninsula. Their language is not at all like Norwegian, Swedish or Russian. I don’t know how it compares to Finnish though.

              Icelandic is probably more like what the Vikings spoke, I would imagine. Norwegians today can grasp some of what is written in Icelandic, but they have some letters/sounds that aren’t in modern Norwegian, so it’s not straight forward to understand.

            • According to the Wiki, they’re a Finno-Urgric people, which makes sense.

            • Ella Raitch

              Fascinating stuff.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      L. Ron Hubbard is
      the bitter dregs left behind
      when sanity leaves

      • Panopea Abrupta

        $cientology:
        There is no sanity clause,
        Just bitter dark dregs

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          False lives remembered
          present lives crushed, dismembered
          dianetics condemned

          • salin

            Induced delusions,
            with implanted intentions,
            erased is self will

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              cast into false past
              present veiled with false presentment
              our souls wintered still

            • salin

              Voices in the head
              all the past incarnations
              Ron’s gift: pyschosis

            • jazzlover

              Cat’s in the cradle
              Driving the last spike inward
              With a silver spoon

              🙂

            • salin

              Colonel Mustard sleighed

              candlestick or revolver?
              In the Library!

              😉

            • jazzlover

              Mean Mister Mustard
              slayed Polythene Pam quickly
              along Abbey Road

            • salin

              You Win!

            • jazzlover

              Naw. We all do! It’s kinda fun and enlightening to allow our minds to take us where they will 🙂 Truth be told, the cat’s in the cradle one happened by accident after a co-worker was telling me about some of the odd behaviors of her cat. For some reason, I came away from the discussion with that song stuck in my head, and voila, a poet was born 🙂 The Mustard one was riffed off of your reference because I’m a huge fan of Abbey Road (I will go to my grave saying that it was their best album, dammit!).

            • Sherbet

              I thought I wandered into a poetry slam and was about to wander out.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              rain, leaves proclaim spring
              windows to, the world beyond
              we rue the guru’s reign

            • jazzlover

              With apologies to Lennon:

              When the reign happens
              we’d do better to fight back
              than to await rain

    • salin

      Maybe the syllables don’t quite work – but the verse form and content are great!

  • scnethics

    Be skeptical, but I was swept off my feet when I read Dianetics and that’s what got me into scientology. Here’s a guy saying confidently that I could use the techniques in his book with a friend, and without spending a dime, increase my I.Q. and become a highly driven, life-lovin’ super-person. I thought: “I’m skeptical, but I’d be crazy not to check this out.” When I went to an Org, I was impressed with the people I met – a dentist, an entrepreneur, a guy who was working for IBM. I thought: “If this was bullshit, these older, smarter people wouldn’t be doing it!”, and at that point, I felt like I had checked it out. I was determined that I would do it, too. I was a drop-out, partying way too much, depressed and anxious, and once I believed this was my ticket to a better life, I was ready to explain away and make excuses for anything Hubbard said and anything I experienced in scientology that didn’t make sense. That’s just how it works.

    I don’t remember the sick passage in this article, but in my state of mind, racing through the book so that I could start putting it to use, I wasn’t looking for how Hubbard might be crazy. I’d have blown through that passage without so much as a hmmm.

    Once I got into scientology, I was surprised to find that so many people had never gotten through the Dianetics book. Maybe 20% of scientologists I spoke to said they had read it, and I’m sure of those, there were many who didn’t but were just saying they did.

    If you’ve read any part of Dianetics, you probably think I was stupid. You’re right. I think I was purposefully stupid, willfully stupid, because I was searching for something and really wanted that search to be over. Again, that’s just how it works.

    • Simon Tology

      We’ve all said, done and believed stupid things. All of us. I’m quite a skeptic, and my motto is “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is”, and my wife gets annoyed that I won’t buy anything until I’m triple sure I’m not being duped somehow. But that’s the result of a lifetime of mistakes, I don’t think anyone is born a skeptic.

      Out of interest – did you read Dianetics on someone’s recommendation? Or did you read it just because you saw it on a bookshelf?

      • scnethics

        It was on a bookshelf at party. I thought, “Self help? 500 pages? What does it take so long to say?” I went up to the host and asked him and he told me that Dianetics was a cult, and I was welcome to have the book 🙂

        • richelieu jr

          File under: ‘Nothing Free is Worth the Price”

    • Dice ✓

      Wow! we might share the same approach on this!

    • Sherbet

      It’s very honest of you to say this, scnethics.

    • Juicer77

      Very honest post. Thank you.

    • If we are honest, everyone here (including the never-ins like me) have fallen for something (or someone) because they wanted believe.

      Emotion and, sometimes, social pressure distract you from the things that don’t add up… and leave you sadder but wiser.

      Scientologists have a worse time of it because their mistake just won’t let go, once it has you.

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    Are you sure it’s Mercury? It could be Ron circling the sun for his Cause Resurgence Rundown.

    • Mark

      Virtually spherical, badly pockmarked, liable to unpleasant surface eruptions of internal matter… could be 😉

    • Newiga

      This must be one of the funnies things I’ve read today. xD I wish I could give you more upvotes.

      • Dice ✓

        i can help you with that F5

    • Ben Franklin

      It would surprise me a great deal if Ron was even able to run for 20 meters before stopping to catch his breath

  • A bird in the chimney

    $cientology & Hubturd: It can always get worse! How vile indeed.

    But I am swooning over today’s off-topic alert! What a gorgeous and yes, dramatic picture. Well done. I watched the transit of Venus a few years ago off Pier I in Riverside Park South–glorious. =]

    • richelieu jr

      Close: “It is always worse than you think!”

      Subtle, but very important difference.

      • A bird in the chimney

        Sure. And also, maybe we can agree it’s always both.

  • Bob Crouch

    This “kissing” passage in an already disgusting book is truly sick! Hubbard’s eldest son, Ron DeWolf did indeed mention that his father was a pederast preying on both boys and girls. Of course, one needs to consider that Ron Jr often was not much more credible than his old man.

    However, what is not disputable is the Commodore’s Messenger Organization. Here, Hubbard surrounded himself with very young girls (and a few boys) who wore hot pants and halter tops and whose job it was to service their master’s needs and whims in all ways and always, in public and behind closed doors. What kind of mentally healthy grown man would require such attentions?

    One wishes that the parents would have read this passage in “dianetics” BEFORE putting their own children into such a perilous environment with the Kinky Kommodore!

    • Dave Reams

      I have been wondering that very same thing for decades! What kind of man would uniform children in highly sexualized costumes and moreover, what kind of parents would pimp out their prebubescent children like that?

      Whether Ron felt or acted sexually towards these children I don’t know. What is abundantly clear from Dianetics alone, is that Ron was an over the top deviant. Passages of Dianetics read like a Bill O’Reilly* porn novel with vivid descriptions of engrams being created by women “masturbating vigorously with fingers” and having lovers with Penis Maximus Erectus “thrusting violently”.

      * Yes, that Bill O’Reilly did/does write porn novels, as told by Al Franken

      • Bob Crouch

        Even if he never touched a single one of them inappropriately, the fact that he was getting his jollies in this manner speaks volumes–whether it’s about sick sexual gratification or simply power over–what–12 year olds?

      • richelieu jr

        Elvis used to watch pre-pubescent girls wrestle in white underpants and never laid a finger on them, but I would hardly call that “normal”, not even the ‘never laying a finger’ part…

      • I read in “Bare Faced Messiah” that the ‘messengers’ devised their own uniforms.

        I suppose that these were, inevitably based on the fashions or the time . Thing is, Instead of someone saying (as parents of daughters have all said at some point in their lives) “you aren’t going out dressed like that“) their costume was accepted because Hubbard had approved it.

        Paternalistic high-control groups typically indulge their guru. It’s strange (almost unique) that are no accusations of sexual misconduct made against Hubbard during this period.

        It’s my opinion that Hubbard was impotent by the time he created the Sea Org. He had abused his body with a lot of powerful drugs, and was terrified of doctors, so any damage he had done to himself would go untreated.

        Rape, it is said, is not about sex, but an assertion of power from a frustrated inadequate. Perhaps Hubbard’s frustration at his impotence explains the casual cruelty he revelled in (e.g. imprisoning children in the chain locker, ‘overboarding’, making a man push a peanut around the deck with his nose). These exercises of power were, perhaps, his substitute for sex.

        Later on, of course, the previously permissive attitude within Scientology changed to a very sexually repressive one, and it’s tempting to think that Hubbard decided, “if I’m not capable, nobody else is getting any”.

    • Sherbet

      I’m guessing the Messengers’ parents were mighty proud their girls had been chosen for such a prestigious position. Blech.

      • It’s not like they were making informed choices. But, yeah, what they did was wrong.

        • Sherbet

          Back then, when hot pants were in style, I don’t think a parent would even blink an eye. It was a costume/uniform, Ron was top dog, and the girls were in for a great opportunity. That’s what their parents would think.

          • April

            Check out any US public high school yearbook from the early 70’s. My god their skirts were short! Shorter than the mini skirts I barely got away with wearing to high school in the 80’s. And now in the 10’s they’ve reverted to a 50’s era of minimum dress lengths. It’s bizarre.

            • Sherbet

              Very true, April.

            • Kestrel

              I have fond memories of the fashions of the early 70’s.

            • April

              Ha! I was a baby in the early 70’s, but I do remember looking at my aunt’s yearbook from ’73 or ’74 when I was a teenager and thinking how damned short their skirts were. And this was in a conservative rural town in the south, not LA or NYC.

            • Kestrel

              I was in my late teens in the early 70’s. I thought the skirts were just fine.

    • Dice ✓

      and don’t forget DM was one of the “young” boys. he!

  • ze moo

    Clams say that selling Dianetics is THE WAY to ‘boom’ the business. Sell 25 books and you get one person to come in for ‘services’. The clams will try to charge you 20 dollars or more for something that you can buy at any book store for 8 dollars. Markup is the mantra of the clampire. That and getting your name and address so they can ‘check’ on you in 30 years.

    Anyone who can swallow ‘engrams’ and past lives stuff and your sperm remembers what happened is ripe to believe in the wit and wisdom of the Blubbard Hubbtard. Dianetics may sound ‘sciency’ but if you exam it you run away laughing and gagging. Word salad with all arugula just isn’t tasty.

    Good ‘body routers’ and ‘case supervisors’ learned how to sell the con, but they are very rare these days. A video kiosk can’t complete with skills of a practiced, commission earning, $cieno. Miscavage has had to deal with the exodus of trained, successful ‘salesmen’ for his entire ‘professional’ life. His fix for not getting enough good new meat that could be trained to sell the tech is to eliminate the personal touch? Wrong way to sell a piece of blue sky schmuck.

    Jon Snow hangs his killers and then walks away??? WTF???

    • SarahDB

      I predict he’s going to Winterfell

      • Ella Raitch

        Ramsay Snow will rue the day

    • richelieu jr

      “Anyone who can swallow ‘engrams’ and past lives stuff and your sperm remembers what happened…”

      Especially that last part.. Too good to forget?

      • villagedianne

        “past lives stuff”

        Millions of Buddhists and Hindus believe in past lives.

    • Absolutely! Replacing the human recruiter with video presentations was one of the dumbest things Miscavige ever did (and there’s a lot of competition)

      It demonstrates beyond a doubt that he does not understand his own con, and it so out of touch with reality that he actually believes that those presentations are actually convincing.

      They aren’t – but their failure to recruit is blamed on the staff who have to put people in front of them and hope for the best.

  • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

    Assuming Dianetics had the mental answers was the height of
    irresponsibility and basically ruined my entire life.
    When I see a rare video of LRH giving a lecture, I realize how
    insane he was/is.

    • Juicer77

      For newbies, this one is entertaining! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9reLONOJ7U

      • Spackle Motion

        He sounds like some tweakers I used to know. LRH sounds so completely high in this clip.

        He also sounds like Jim Jones in that final, sad audio clip of everyone drinking the poison.

      • JaxNGold

        Oh. My. Lawd. What a lunatic.

  • WOG with Attitude

    Possible lead, this character alleges that Apple is teaming up with Drug Free World

    https://twitter.com/maurithus1/status/729649373366247429

    So, there’s an app that is so badly done, only Apple can host it. WTF?!?!

    This is worth a follow up.

    • jazzlover

      Was Jobs really this much of a “free spirit”?

      • WOG with Attitude

        No, not at all. Someone has been duped by their name again, not realizing what it’s really about!!!

        • jazzlover

          Ughhhhh. I thought that large corporations such as Apple were immune to giving away time and money without looking into things closely. I can understand individuals falling for it to some degree, but these companies worry about their reputation, which is everything to them.

          • WOG with Attitude

            Apparently this has been in the App Store for years. Partnering with Apple is a bit of a stretch.

            Many real people complain about the ridiculous misinformation and scare tactics used by the app. It wouldn’t d/l to my iPad, so much for their brags, but I had to get it (it’s free) to write a review.

            • jazzlover

              This (from the Facebook post link in the tweet) gives me great pause and reason for calling BS:

              My favorite part is the educator section, were you can get trained as a drug educator on line for free or give a drug lesson to a class of students online with videos and lesson plans, and so much more.

              There is no way that Apple would sanction this. Getting trained as a drug educator for free? I think this person is a scientology shill with nothing more to back him up than a dollar and a dream 🙂

            • WOG with Attitude

              He appears to be another koolaid drinker, believing and perpetrating the lies. He’s also spouting off about a “historic” castle in Johannesburg that Scientology purchased in 2008. Opening soon. Yeah, right! The castle was built in1992. Nothing says Africa like an authorian castle! Thanks for looking!

              It pays to keep an eye on them, nevertheless.

            • WOG with Attitude

              https://twitter.com/avidmiskaridge/status/729739619550547968

              He misspelled the name of the castle. They’ve been sitting on this “castle” since 2008. It is unlikely it will be opening soon.

            • jazzlover

              Such delusions of grandeur!

          • StudiusJudius

            Legoland anyone?

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, I guess. Not quite Apple though. Companies like that depend wholly on an image of trust. Same with Microsoft, for instance.

      • gtsix

        Well, he could rival hubbs on how to be the world worst father.

  • For a couple of years after university, I managed a bookstore in the Castro district. Having already had my weird run-in with Scientology’s homophobia a few years earlier, and read Dianetics, I would always have anyone who brought the book to the counter to buy read this passage about what it would take to create the engram to make someone gay . . .

    “…something on the order of kicking a baby’s head in, running over him with a steam roller, cutting him in half with a rusty knife, boiling him in lysol and all the while with crazy people screaming the most horrifying and unprintable things at him.”

    Aside from the Mission Earth books, nobody ever bought a single copy of Hubbard’s work at the store in those years (’82-’84). Never censor Hubbard. Give them all of Hubbard in his full glory if you really want to dissuade them.

    • richelieu jr

      I’m surprised you didn’t get a couple of extra customers… UN-usual ones, if you get my drift…

    • Ella Raitch

      Jeebus!

  • sizzle8

    Thanks Tony…

    • flyonthewall

      *sniff* what smells like eyeball bacon?

    • Dice ✓

      Lol! Use a magnifier glass and get it over with!

  • Science Doc

    O/T. I just scored tickets to Dylan, The Stones, Neil Young, Paul McCartney, Roger Waters, and The Who. Geezerchella in October.

    • jazzlover

      Congrats! I assume that’s over a 2 or 3 day period?

      • Science Doc

        3 days. They added a second weekend 10 minutes before tickets went on sale. Even so,we had a team of pepole on computers, and one got through after 20 minutes for the score.

        • jazzlover

          Having a team of people to do this speaks to how crazy things have gotten with scalping and such. Glad you ended up snagging some tickets. Should be fun!

          • Science Doc

            This thing went viral with the usual Coachella crowd of 20 somethings competing with people from the 60s and 70s. I’m sure the whole thing sold out in the first hour.

            • jazzlover

              No doubt! Just do yourself a favor and remember the sun screen 🙂

      • Juicer77

        Includes nap breaks 😉

        • Science Doc

          Naps are for … Old people.

          • Supper Powers

            I’m just waking from a nap.

        • jazzlover

          For who? The Rolling Stones? 😉 I can see the commercial now:

          “The Dinosaurs of Classic Rock Tour. Sponsored by Metamucil”

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Jealous. 🙂

    • StudiusJudius

      Holy crap what a festival. And I was excited about the Super Deluxe Edition of The Wall which should arrive in a week or two.

    • Sherbet

      The Who? The What? Speak louder, boy, I can’t hear ya. And get off my lawn.

      • Science Doc

        Pete can’t help it that Keith blew out his eardrums with that bomb in the drum kit.

        • Sherbet

          Oh, so that’s what happened to Keith.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      You’re going to Oldchella?! You oldster. ; )

      • Science Doc

        Yep. Bet most of the audience is in their 20s. Most people my age are trying to telephone “the ticket office”.

    • richelieu jr

      I saw the Stones in ’79 and thought they were too old..
      I saw them a couple of years back, in private concert for 120 people, and they seemed old, yes, but lean and hungry– They played 1000x better, like they had something to prove.

      • Science Doc

        I’m not a big Stones fan, but Mrs. Science Doc likes them. I’ve seen The Who some, but I’m mostly excited about Neil Young and Roger Waters. When I saw Pink Floyd in ca. 1988, Waters had already split. I sold the deal on McCartney as a one day deal, but it just made more sense to go in on the three day ticket with reserved seating,

    • flyonthewall

      such a cool lineup, I’d totally geezer it up for that

      • Science Doc

        If you’re not a geezer yet, stick around.

        • flyonthewall

          I have exactly one grey hair in my beard. I plucked it but it grows back grey. Dum-dum-duuummmm. I like it though, think it’s great

          • Science Doc

            It will bring friends. I try to dye my hair grey.

    • Phil McKraken

      Is Roger Waters doing The Wall? I saw that a few years ago, and it was pretty cool. He had a David Gilmore impersonator who was almost, but not quite, able to fill the bill.

      • Science Doc

        He almost has to do some of it. Full set. If he does a few tracks fro Radio Waves, the rest will be Floyd. He doesn’t have to cover Comfortably Numb.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Scientology is an inflamed pimple on humanity’s ass.

    • jazzlover

      You have taken the high road. I would’ve thought more of a bleeding hemorrhoid in humanity’s ass 🙂

    • Dice ✓

      He was a Zit in the history, ready to be squeezed!

    • richelieu jr

      Not a zit– You squeeze the zit, it gives something back… Pimples are disgusting, but generously so, by nature…

    • Captain MustSavage

      Scientology is a self help group that has metastasised.

  • funnybroad

    When journalists interview celebrity Scientologists like Tom Cruise and John Travolta about what Scientology is all about, and they respond “read Dianetics”, why don’t they read these quotes out of the book to them and ask them what they think about it?

    • funnybroad

      I keep a Bible in my house with bookmarked sections just in case the Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons come calling. For example, I’m ready to read II Kings Chapter 2 to them. That’s the story about how God had 42 children savagely ripped apart by 2 female bears as punishment for making fun of the prophet Elijah’s servant’s (Elisha’s) bald head. I’ve got about 10 crazy stories ready to read for them… straight out of their holy book. They leave pretty quick after a couple of them.

      • Elegant Mess

        A woman after my own heart! Keep it up, love. 🙂

      • richelieu jr

        Well, I think we’d all be a lot worse off in a world where we weren’t allowed to mock the bald, it is true.

        I high school I had a friend who claimed to have welcomed the JWs by jumping off his roof to greet them in beard and sheets calling out, “I”l Baaaaa-aaack!”

      • Illinoisian

        You have developed an admirable and practical system.

      • When I was much younger, I once asked a priest why the psalmist commended those who revenged the wrongs done to the Old Testament Israelites by bashing their children to death against stones. https://rarebible.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/happy-are-those-who-dash-children-against-rocks/

        I was told that they were a tribal people, and that was the vengeful way things were back then. Besides, the Old Testament gave way to the New, which had a more compassionate message.

        I thought that God can’t change his mind because, being omnipotent, he can never be wrong. Once he has approved such an action, it stands for ever.

        I didn’t bother to raise that point because it was obvious that it would be rationalised away in the same manner. Theology, it seemed to me, was little more than a way of justifying something you had already arbitrary decided to be true.

    • Qbird

      yeah! and not only that — answer in full scientologese too. Just put it all out there.

    • Because, if they persist, those celebs can respond, “you haven’t read it, have you”? 99 times out of 100 they won’t have. The interviewer knows that too, so they don’t persist.

      It would be wonderful if just one journalist pulled out a copy, full of bookmarks, said “actually, I have and I’m puzzled about this passage…” Of course, the celeb would not engage (and might even walk out) and the journalist would be blacklisted by them for ever.

      Whatever happens, TC and JT are never going to give answers, even when they understand the question.

      • Captain MustSavage

        Still, it would be nice to see them pressed about their views by a bookmarked dianetics toting journalist. At the very least I’d like a journalist to read out the fair game and fair game ‘cancellation’ policies and ask them why they think it’s alright to promote an organisation that advocates ‘destroying’ other human beings.

        • funnybroad

          I’d love to see a protester walk up to a table full of Dianetics books, look up passages and then challenge the clams giving the personality tests.

  • Mark

    Thanks to Sid (Phil Jones) for the idea. 🙂 (Refresh chromatic-aberration coating on lenses):

    • Juicer77

      ROFL!!

    • jazzlover

      Enough to cause people to heave their telescopes off of cliffs en masse 🙂

    • A real reason that you shouldn’t look at the Sun without protection!

    • Sherbet

      I’m really resisting posting The Police’s “King of Pain” today.

    • Dice ✓

      I smell bacon

    • Newiga

      Brilliant! Hubs is getting in shape. Soon they’ll need to put a treadmill into all of his offices in ideal borgs.

      • Mark

        Or a bottle of amphetamines on each desk 😉

        • Newiga

          That’s more likely. xD

  • Nat-leficent

    Dianetics is truly a vile book
    Best sentence in a Tony Ortega post EVER.

    • Science Doc

      Simple and to the point.

      • Nat-leficent

        In a world of bullshit, I am going to carry this post around in my heart today. It made me sooo happy 😀

  • Nat-leficent

    I give today’s post 5 out of 5 furry TCS
    F5

    • Ben Franklin

      Looks like a giant Ostrich took a crap all over Mr. TC

    • Ella Raitch

      That’s just glorious. Now I’ll want to see a furry TC rating on all Bunker stories. Where the hell did that costume come from? His private collection?

  • cdub

    Get one of your minds erased using Dianetics. The bad mind, of course.

  • Linda Clement

    “Noxious creep.” Best epithet for Hubbard yet.

  • Linda Clement

    You all are probably tired of hearing about Hubbard and Crowley, but the more I learn about Hubbard, the more I see Crowley’s influence. What strikes me about this passage is that Crowley sexually used little boys in his private “magick” rituals, and after reading that paragraph, it would not surprise me to find that Hubbard did the same.

    The thing is that Crowley’s rituals produce a trance state followed by some extraordinarily evil messages intended to bring out every selfish, evil tendency the user might already have, and to induce evil where it might not have existed before. To put it another way, Hubbard himself was brainwashed by Crowley’s methodology before he invented $cientology. Without Crowley’s influence, Hubbard might never have invented scientology.

    • Dice ✓

      “Crowley sexually used little boys in his private “magick” rituals” -Now where have you read that?

      • Linda Clement

        I’ll hunt through my library when I can. I have all of Crowley’s hermetic works, his autobiography and a number of books by people who knew him. I don’t have his novel entitled “White Stains” and have no interest in reading it.

        • Dice ✓

          Well it wouldn’t surprise me, but i doubt that he would write about it in his books?

        • Mark

          It’s not a novel, but a collection of pornographic poems.

    • chukicita

      In more than 25 years of researching and watching Scientology, I have never come across anything that suggested Hubbard was using little boys.

      I don’t think it helps to throw around conjecture. There is certainly enough wrong with Scientology that we can articulate and back up without making accusations that are at best unprovable.

      • Dice ✓

        ^^^

      • Eileen

        Actually, there was something… It might have been in “a piece of blue sky” or “going clear”. I’ll try to look it up, but it involved Arthur or Quentin. It was not a direct accusation, but rather an implication. I remember reading the scene and getting a little sick to my stomach.

    • Mark

      Sorry Linda, but you’re wrong. Crowley was certainly bisexual (or polymorphously perverse, if you prefer) but not a pederast: his nearest approach to that was hiring the occasional teenage rent-boy in Algiers when he tired of Victor Neuberg’s charms during the homosexual rites that produced The Vision and the Voice in 1909. You may be remembering the notorious phrase from Magick in Theory & Practice: “For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.” In that case Crowley was referring to the OTO’s 9th degree ‘secret’: magical masturbation.

      Crowley was unequivocal about pedophilia in a commentary on his ‘revelation’ The Book of the Law: “Such acts as rape, and the assault or seduction of infants, may therefore be justly regarded as offences against the Law of Liberty, and repressed in the interests of that Law.”

      • Eileen

        You are overlooking the lies that are inherent in the practice of OTO. Some of those Algerian rent-boys were 10 years old. Sounds like pederast to me.

        • Mark

          No: I’m going on the evidence. Where’s your proof for either of your wild assertions?

          • Eileen

            “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” – Crowley
            Men who use sex and violence as tools to control people do not only use those tools against women.
            Not trying to prove anything, just discussing.

            • Mark

              Don’t forget the second part of Crowley’s credo: “Love is the law, love under will”.
              Of course anyone using sex and violence to control anyone else is utterly repugnant, I quite agree. But maybe you need to do a little more primary-source research on AC and the OTO? 😉

      • flyonthewall

        a spiritual working that requires a “victim”? What kind of spirituality is that?

        • Mark

          Christian, for starters…?

          • flyonthewall

            you mean Jesus? If so, he went willingly (according to the myth of course) and cannot be considered a victim

            • Mark

              Thomas Aquinas wouldn’t agree:

              O salutaris Hostia,
              Quæ cæli pandis ostium:
              Bella premunt hostilia,
              Da robur, fer auxilium.

              O saving Victim, opening wide
              The gate of Heaven to us below;
              Our foes press hard on every side;
              Thine aid supply; thy strength bestow.

            • flyonthewall

              You know I enjoy some Aquinas as much as the next guy but strictly speaking, according to Christian dogma Jesus willingly sacrificed himself to redeem man. He wasn’t an unwillingly participant in the whole crucifixion thing. Sure he expressed some doubts and reservations from time to time but at the end of the day he took the bullet for mankind bc he’s a champ like that 😉

              FTR, I’m not a christian or adherent of any faith, just relaying what I’ve learned as i grew up in it.

            • Mark

              Depends on what sort of Christianity you’re brought up in, of course. Cynically viewed, Christianity (and a lot of other religions) can sometimes come across as little more than a series of threats and bribes.

              Reverting to your original point, “victim” is just Crowley’s unfortunate choice of word—any sensible magician would have used “sacrifice” instead, in the sense of giving up something one values. But AC did so enjoy being provocative…

            • flyonthewall

              pft, I grew up Roman Catholic, the one true Church. The RC’s commanded armies, raised empires and spilled blood across many continents! Of course Christianity and other religions come across as threats/bribes, how else are you suppose to keep sheep in line??

              I don’t know enough about Crowley/magic to discuss him/it intelligently with you but I’ve read a few books on Parsons and from those I get the distinct impression that Crowley was a very cruel man. It doesn’t seem out of character at all for him to call on others to be victims.

            • Mark

              “…how else are you suppose to keep sheep in line?” Treat them like adults? 😉

              AC was certainly “mad, bad, and dangerous to know”, but nowhere near as horrible as Hubbard, as far as I can tell.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Ahem.

              Crowley chose the word “victim.” Aquinas did not. “Hostia” can be translated as victim, but it is just as commonly translated “sacrifice” or “offering.” Practicing Christians identify Christ’s death as a sacrifice, not as a consequence of victimhood.

            • Mark

              Ahem. See my answer to flyonthewall below. 😉

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Believe me, I saw that. Only reason I decided to weigh in on this whole thing. While a discussion of Crowley is somewhat on topic, I would really prefer we keep the discussion to Scientology.

            • Mark

              Quite so. And now I really must go and have my much-delayed dinner, recondite theological byways notwithstanding…

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You take time away from the Bunker to eat? Where are your priorities…?

            • Sine qua non

              “recondite”? That’s nearly as good as” cavils”, but not so good as “farrago”. Enjoy dinner! 😉

      • villagedianne

        “In that case Crowley was referring to the OTO’s 9th degree ‘secret’: magical masturbation.”

        If masturbation was magical then teenage boys would rule the world.

        • Mark

          Snortle! 🙂

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Never heard that Crowley (or Hubbard) were diddling little boys. Crowley was a notorious libertine, whether it was just p.r. or the real thing. He did propose complete civil rights for children, which some have interpreted as advocating breaking down parental authority. He also wrote the following (in context):

      Moreover, the Beast 666 adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act, as also the process of birth, lest falsehood fog, and mystery stupefy, their minds,
      whose error else might thwart and misdirect the growth of their
      subconscious system of soul-symbolism.
      (This is from the Commentary on the Book of the Law.)

  • Liberated

    I did the DMSMH book course long ago, I actually had to read every word, no skimming over just to get thru it. I thought it was a convoluted mess of words designed to confuse the reader with ” this new science “. I always hated the misogyny and found it truly disturbing that every example of demonstration to prove it’s accuracy, was directed at a women. “Let’s have this stupid women go into “reverie” so we men can laugh at her and prove once again that all our aberrations stem from her” says mankind’s greatest friend. I also found it disturbing that I alone was the only one who felt that way. Whenever I attempted to “bring up the sexism” I was looked at like I was crazy. Thank you Tony for addressing this.

    Now, as I watch the news, Trump is doing the exact same thing, blaming Hillary for her husband’s affairs, then 5 seconds later they show a viagra ad, oh man!

    • Dice ✓

      ha ha good observation! He did actually, always use females to “prove” his points and in his examples, all over the place. Yet another weird thing is, most executives are females in local orgs. hmm i could be wrong! just my observation.

      • Liberated

        I wondered the same thing, dump the job that no one else really wants (E D) of an org, on her then proceed to treat her like a dog, blame everything on her and eventually throw her out, I. e. Debbie Cook.

        • Dice ✓

          hmm.. That’s deep 🙂 Some of them are really “good” at what they are doing, like Debbie. But i guess there is a chauvinistic order around the whole thing. Like Int management was over represented by males, and high “tech” positions was always represented by a male wuss! he he.

          • Liberated

            Doesn’t matter if they’re good at their job, most women are, it’s the power and control enforced by the male that counts. He is the authority.

      • Eileen

        Disposables.

    • villagedianne

      Hubbard was contradictory about women. The Dianetics book was misogynist, but on the other hand Hubbard promoted women to high positions. For instance he made Hana Eltringham the captain of one of his ships. She had no qualifications for the job but he said she was qualified because she had been a sea captain in a former life. Probably he meant in a former life as a man.

  • outraged

    Scientology – let them learn how to swim by being alone, unheard, uneducated. We’ll document everything that happened to show how great the teachings. Stalk but not step in to save of course, that would be cowardly. Hopefully the young ones will make it along for the ride. Aren’t we wonderful?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tij88YP_g

    edit: uh…..the link does not work here for some reason. :-{

    • Dice ✓

      a wonderful broken link 🙂

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    1950:
    Dianetics promises people they can achieve the amazing and wonderful state of clear by teaming up and co-auditing eachother for a few hundred hours. Sure to succeed!

    1954 and later:
    Those who buy the book Dianetics at a Scientology organisation or mission give their names, addresses, telephone numbers and eventually possibly their credit card numbers, their slave labour, etc.

    2016:
    The active Scientologists still in good standing who WERE clear have their Status of Clear taken away from them and they have to restart the Bridge from the bottom with the Purification Rundown and the Survival Rundown,

    Active Scientologists who may have heard about the con of selling the Brooklyn Bridge would think it’s scandal or maybe even mock the victims of the con.
    At least the Brooklyn Bridge exists in reality (in the MEST universe) and the Bridge to Total Freedom does NOT exist.

    Here’s an episode of the David Packman Show with Chris Shelton I find very interesting. They talk about the state of Clear and other subjects.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJXXBm8rQFg

  • Snippy_X

    The sky cleared up and we had a great view of Mercury with the little scope. One of my neighbors thought Mercury was falling into the sun. He was relieved to find out it isn’t because he thought that would be bad for us.
    Sadly, though, none of the cameras could focus on the image, at any magnification, because they are all junk and have no manual focus. This is the only surviving picture taken at the lower magnification. Mercury is the little dot at the top. At the bottom is a pair of sun spots. IRL, Mercury was a perfect little disk and you could see a lot of detail on two pairs of sunspots. Very fun! Thanks for the push, Tony. I might have skipped this one because of a few clouds early on. Now these images will be in my head a long time.

    • Science Doc

      You’ve got a Meade. What do recommend for astrophotography? I’m not in the market right now due to other priorities, but I go back and forth between Celestron and Meade. Thinking 14″ reflector.

      • Snippy_X

        Cool. I don’t know enough about what’s out there, but I’d say go to space.com and find their latest reviews. They also go through the specs, so you know exactly what the the scope can do. Maybe see if you can get with your local astronomy club and look through their scopes. The only thing about the big ones is they get heavy fast and it seems people with really big scopes are very cranky. I haven’t done any astrophotography until today’s debacle. That’s a whole nuther can of worms.

        • Science Doc

          My country house has exceptional conditions, so it wouldn’t need to travel much. Looking at the cost breakdowns, once I buy the mount and drive, guiding system and camera, I might as well get a big tube.

          • Snippy_X

            That’s ideal. I wish I knew more about astrophotography, but my impression is it is a very deep and expensive rabbit hole. 😀

            • Science Doc

              Yes. This is the problem. I read about deep field imaging using observations captured over several nights and the sheer amount of image processing, and it sounds like an expensive way to not have fun. Maybe I should just get an 8 in with GoTo and either an eyepiece or some video camera connected to a display.

            • Snippy_X

              There is something indescribably immediate about looking at the objects directly. They feel 3 dimensional. Like today, Mercury appeared so round and the color was such an amazing gray. When is gray amazing like that? Maybe never. So even if I had had a decent camera, (kicking self there), the photo would still be flat.

  • seriouslyWTF

    I just stumbled across the following article about South Africa. Quite a few higher-ups in the cult were declared last year and a couple of them are suing. One of the names was Shelly Ashurst Jackson, the woman who took Duggan’s kid for a fee. Excerpt from article: (they didn’t bring up the kid)
    ——————-
    Shelly Ashurst Jackson, who was also ousted late last year after being born into the church, said she watched as 120 friends unfriended her on Facebook. Far worse are the tales of parents who have been cut off from their children.

    “My daughter had been a staff member in the Sea Org since the age of 15 or 16,” related Dr Lawrence Retief, who was in the church for 28 years and was declared a “suppressive person” in January this year.

    “Within 12 hours of my receiving that email telling me I was excommunicated they made sure her cellphone, Facebook and emails were shut down. That her mother, father, sisters and grandparents couldn’t get to her in any way. They made her disconnect from us totally.”
    ———————
    Did Tony cover this? I don’t recall seeing anything about her being declared. Where’s Shelly’s kid?

    http://mg.co.za/article/2014-11-01-scientology-down-the-rabbit-hole-and-into-a-curious-court-case/

    Edited to add: Now I’m really confused. The article is from 2014.

    • Couch_Incident
      • seriouslyWTF

        Thanks. I skimmed through the article and saw Shelly’s name. Thought it was her. Makes sense now.

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes, we mentioned the Corbetts when they sued. They are not fans of the Bunker.

    • Science Doc

      There was a South African Back in Comm Indie blog that was really active for awhile, but it went dark about 6 months or more ago.

      • seriouslyWTF

        Hopefully they woke up and are living Scientology free lives.

    • Draco

      Shelley broke the story about the Duggan kids. Her sister has the kid, not Shelley. Tony covered that story as did Mike Rinder and the South African backincomm blog.

      • seriouslyWTF

        See that now. Thanks.

      • chukicita

        Is the KSWLions blog still active?

        • Frodis73

          No, they haven’t posted anything in over a year either.

        • Draco

          No idea – I hardly ever went there; it was really bad for my blood pressure 🙂

  • Signed confessions in the Sea Org?

    Sleep Deprivation Can Result in False Confessions – Quirks and Quarks

    A new study has revealed that people will confess to a crime they did not commit, as long as they are kept awake.

    The research looking at the relationship between false confession and sleep deprivation was conducted by Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, a Distinguished Professor of Psychology and Social Behaviour, and Professor of Law at the University of California, Irvine and her colleagues.

    • Captain MustSavage

      I’ve heard Elizabeth Loftus speak, she’s brilliant. And had some very scary things to say about implanting false memories. Scientology in its latter stages is all about the development and maintenance of false memories, and I think the false memories are some of the kings that keep people stuck inside – because if you can remember captaining a Glibglobian spaceship off Orion’s Belt, well, the tech must be true.

  • nottrue
    • Tony Ortega

      One thing to keep in mind when you see a story like this. In July 2012 when Tom and Katie split up, Ron Miscavige was living with his son Ron Jr in Virginia, having escaped from Int Base that March. And for the 20 years before that, Ron had little interaction with or knowledge of Tom Cruise and his personal life.

      I think Ron is right in saying that Katie left at least in part because she wanted to keep Suri out of Scientology, but that’s a consensus view among many ex-Scientologists, many of whom talk to Ron.

      What I’m getting at is that Daily Mail is pretending here that Ron is revealing something that he had special knowledge of, when it’s more likely that Ron is telling them what he heard from the same ex-Scientologists we talk to.

      And that’s the same with his book. It alternates between what Ron witnessed, what he heard at the time, what he’s heard since, and what Dan Koon added from his indie agenda (that silliness about the Hole being a direct result of his awesome work in marketing, or whatever obscure point “Ron” was trying to make at that point in his book, for example). Ron has really interesting things to say, but it’s not all based on what he saw with his own eyes. That’s just something to keep in mind, and something the Daily Mail, if it were a more legitimate news outfit, would make more plain.

      • flyonthewall

        Regarding the Hole, I think “Ron” was trying to say that it was Miscavige misapplying Hubbard’s tech in dealing with management. Miscavige didn’t do as Hubbard said and reform management after dissolving it.

        How did you like that bit about the investigating officer of his rape case being connected to the CIA and the whole thing being part of a big conspiracy to hurt the CoS? Smh

        On the whole I enjoyed it but I wish he would of talked more about his own experiences rather than what other people told him and already talked publicly about. I think he was most likely trying to bring scientologists who’ve kept their head in the sand so far up to speed on how things deteriorated at the top.

        eta – The parts about playing on the Freewinds, the struggle sessions at Gold, the Lisa Marie part and details of the surveillance and how he came to be disconnected from were great.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          How did you like that bit about the investigating officer of his rape case being connected to the CIA and the whole thing being part of a big conspiracy to hurt the CoS? Smh

          This passage had me SMH as well. I guess when you believe in Hubbard’s crap, then you will also believe the cospiracy theories that OSA will throw at you.

          • flyonthewall

            Yep. I think that shaking off that conspiracy mindset and being afraid of psychiatrists are probably the last and hardest things to throw off for ex’s.

      • I was somewhat disappointed by the book for those reasons and the way that Ron’s acceptance of Scientology was based on such absurdly poor evidence – for example, he describes how looking into a mirror supposedly made a headache go away and presents this as his reason for joining.

        He’s not particularly consistent either. Near the beginning of the book, he claims that DM was effectively cured of his Asthma. A few chapters later, he casually mentions that an older DM was rushed to hospital to treat a serious asthma attack, years after that condition was supposedly cured. He does not even seem to have the self-awareness to see this contradiction.

        I hope Scientologists do read it, and it plants a seed of doubt, but it was an exasperating read for a ‘never-in’ and its confused attitude towards Scientology will probably frustrate exes, too.

        • scottmercer

          Classic cognitive bias.

        • flyonthewall

          Exactly. It really is better for still in’s as a gateway book out of the cult. I hope that those who do pick it up don’t stop there though. Any never-in who is totally unfamiliar with the cult who reads this is not going to view Hubbard as some great philosopher with a mean streak. I suspect that’s what he and Koon were at least in part hoping for, to rehabilitate Hubbard’s image.

          • It’s significant that, at this stage of the game, “great philosopher with a mean streak” is still aiming very high indeed.

            Also annoying it Ron’s admiration of the writings of the positively ancient ‘New Thought’ movement – particularly those which describe the ancestor of ‘postulation’ – various prescriptions for getting what you want by wishing for it very hard.

            • flyonthewall

              they need to just settle for science fiction author and be happy with that, cuz nothing good (PR wise) comes if people look any deeper than that and no gibberish BS Fundamentals of Thought or Diarretics is going to change that.

              Yeah that bit was pretty hilarious. Didn’t bother me so much really cuz people are going to be into what they’re into but it fit into that magical thinking mindset he seems to have.

  • Scream Nevermore

    Dianetics. The most boring book I ever read.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    I always thought that Jeff Hawkins’ ad campaign in the 80’s for Dianetics was the best thing about that book. All that stuff about it being “the owner’s manual for the human mind” — what a great come-on. It got me to buy the book back in high school Of course, once I cracked it open and tried to read it, I realized what a bunch of utter bullshit it was. But I was fascinated anyway, obviously. The immense balls it took for Hubbard to step up and offer that bundle of garbage as some kind of breakthrough that would advance science and psychology, advance humankind itself. And people not only bought it, they embraced him as some kind of father-guru figure. Wow. That is some fucking moxie, for sure — Ron put the “con” in “con man”.

    But seriously, don’t waste your time on that book, it is a sack of crap that only grows more disturbing with the passage of time.

    • edge

      I remember in the early-mid 90s Dianetics was a sponsor of the Goodwill Games.

      • Liberated

        I remember in 1988 Dianetics was a sponsor of the Indianapolis 500 Race, talk about embarrassing.

    • That kind of campaign must gather a very small number of recruits but buyers of the book were::

      a) Self-selected as good marks for Scientology because they didn’t call BS
      b) Taken for a whole lot of money during the career as Scientologists (they didn’t need many recruits)
      c) Contributing to Scientology (and offsetting the cost of the campaign) by just buying just one copy

      The mystery is why clever, capable people like Jeff put up with all the difficulties and produced such a successful campaign.

    • ze moo

      I think everyone should read the preface and maybe one random chapter. The circular logic and straight out lying should be apparent to anyone.

      • scottmercer

        Better off reading Tony’s blog series on it…he provides many quotes from the book itself within the context of explaining how rank and useless it is.

    • Juicer77

      Said some prayers for your family yesterday during morning service. xoxo

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Thank you. <3

    • scottmercer

      He took big time advantage of people who were seeking spiritual advancement or fulfillment in an open and sincere manner. There was in the 20th Century some idea that the functions of spirituality could be taken over somehow by science. Now we’re better off realizing that the two things are incompatible and science provides so many more actual and observable benefits. My opinion.

    • JaxNGold

      Great post. I find it really comical that most people who had read that rubbish didn’t know the volcano on the cover was representative of OT3. Lol! If people knew that some of them would eventually get to that absurd level and read about the ridiculous Xenu story, I wonder if they would have tossed the book in the garbage where it belongs.

  • nottrue

    Needs alittle work first….Ideal Fundraiser…Scientology bought it in 2008…..Each Scientologist in Africa gets their own room

    • Mymy88

      Glorified dungeon.

    • Draco

      They were supposed to open last September … or was it the previous September?
      Never going to happen.

      • Science Doc

        Sounds like a great place to send the last hundred Sea Org in four years or so.

        • scottmercer

          Sure. For the last stand to save humanity. With 25 execs and 100 Sea Argh.

      • Like the Canadian AOSH, as soon as they open it, revenue goes down at the existing AOs, plus they have to spend money and Sea Org to operate it.

        Category:Kyalami Castle
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Kyalami

  • Science Doc

    O/T. The birthday girl is 16 today. That is a big number in puppy years. She had a special meal of aged cheddar. F5

    • Juicer77

      Happy birthday!! What a nice birthday treat! (PS double check she’ not backed up tomorrow, happens with older dogs and hard cheeses 🙂

      • Science Doc

        Yep. That’s why she got a smallish serving. Burger patties are the worst.

        • Juicer77

          Figured you were way ahead of me. 😉

      • Baby

        OH Yay.. and on that FUR baby.. eeeeeeeeeek.. Been there.

    • Beth

      awwwww. Happy Birthday Science Dog 🙂 looking’ good girl!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Like Baby says, Happy Birthday to Science Dog!

    • nommables

      So cute! Nutmeg, Opal, Stella and Lily say Happy Birthday! (refresh)

      • beauty for ashes

        You’re seriously rich with doggies. <3 <3 <3

      • Baby

        Alright.. this is just too much.. I want to open a dog sanctuary .. maybe when I’m old.. ( Ha)

        Absolutely beautiful! Someone Hold me back.. cause I WANT THEM ALL! Everyone..all of them..

        Every dog on the Bunker. Send them to me ASAP

        • nommables

          I’ve always thought it’d be cool to have a nursing home for old dogs. We have four now, but are always talking about more… 🙂

          • Baby

            Oh nom.. what a wonderful idea.. absolutely. I have rescued older dogs.. but the nursing home would be so perfect..

            Good for you for being so compassionate and caring.. smooches..

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      She is a cutie pie. Happy birthday, fair lady!

    • Ella Raitch

      What a gorgeous fur ball

    • Baby

      OMG.. That could be one of mine..hahahah.. What a darling little baby Doc.. She reminds me of my oldest at 14..

      You would laugh you ass at Lulu.. She just growls slowly under her breath when the other 3 are getting too noisy playing..hahhaha

      Happy Birthday sweet puppy… ; D

  • Scientific American, January 1951 By Nobel Prize Winner Isaac Isidor Rabi
    “This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page than has any publication since the invention of printing.”

    California Institute of Technology, a review of Dianetics “Counting noses of adherents is not evidence”
    American Scientist October 1950 Hubbard: like a “child stamping his foot”
    Dr Oscar Sachs from Mt Sinai Hospital in NY “old psychoanalytical concepts”
    Journal of Clinical Medicine 1951- Editorial – Dianetics
    Milton Sapirstein: Hubbard – “the leader of the inner manipulative clique”
    JAMA: nonsensical tomfoolery
    AmJournal of Psychiatry: Hubbard’s own paranoid delusions
    Fails Clinical Test of Dianetics
    http://www.lermanet.com/scientific.htm

    Where Dianetics was stolen from: https://arnielerma.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/one-method-of-covert-hypnosis/ (see 1st Comment by Arnie Lerma…. for the rest of the story)

    • Science Doc

      There were several peer reviewed journal studies in the 50s as well. Not sure any of these are available on line. I’ve thought about dredging them out of the stacks.

    • A bird in the chimney

      “Milton Sapirstein: Hubbard – “the leader of the inner manipulative clique” Wow. He couldn’t know just how very right he was. And not like all the rest were wrong. Of course Hubbard was always more from the school of Barnum than Science, so these withering critiques wouldn’t slow him or dazzled adherents down.

      • PT Barnum’s “The Art of Money Getting” is basically $cientology’s Finance Series…
        Scientology’s HCOPL’s in general may have been lifted out of the descriptions by Psychiatrist Joost Meerloo, from his book Rape of the Mind, where he describes the operating policies of the Nazi occupiers in Holland during WWII… Sucess at any cost, make it go right, and Ubermensch is much like “OT”… and WOGS are GOYIM.

        • Kim O’Brien

          scientologists are the nazi’s . Thank you for making that clear point . Often times when i see some exes talk about their experience with scientology …they cast DM/LRH as Hitler, but themselves as the Jews . I always find that interesting . And a little creepy

          • Analogy and metaphor are limited by the creator’s understanding of what the truth really is AND by the audience. On Lermanet I have pages I wrote 22 years ago. My views have changed drastically as my understanding increased. It is easy for my enemies to take something I said 20 years ago and say “that’s kooky”… but it documents one mind’s understandings as they change with increasing field of view and depth of perception.

            A bit better aim would be to say that the ‘creepiest’ part of scientology is that the real ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY behind scientology is the same as being used to create TERRORISTS by various intelligence agencies.

            And there is an even creepier truth.. but it is verboten

        • ze moo

          While I like the $cientology = nazism meme, the current clampire is much more Stalinist and resembles the Soviet Union much more.

          1. Big show places to impress the masses
          2. Big meetings where the COB (or General Secretary) is lauded continuously.
          3. Not so secret police to keep everyone in line.
          4. Ritual denunciations of slackers, apostates and enemies.
          5. Nice buildings, but no toilet paper.
          6. ‘Knowledge Reports’ to keep everyone guessing who is ratting on whom.

          During the 1950’s the US under took U2 flyovers of Soviet airfields and somehow deduced a ‘bomber gap’. In reality, the Soviets just stuck wooden mockups on the airfields and kept trying to build a real intercontinental bomber. All Soviet bombers of the era lacked the ability to do mid air refueling. Any bombing mission to the US was a one way job.

          The bomb meme can be compared to CO$ legal strategy, lots of bluster, but little show these days.

          • yes, Pavlov was favored by Stalin while Bechterev was murdered. Bechterev’s ideas trace to Salter’s “Conditioned Reflex Therapy” which are what Hubbard used in his books to hook us…hypnotically into belief in the reactive mind.

    • Dice ✓

      So how did hubbard get his hands on Dr Sargant’s papers before 1955?

      • , 20th February 2015 at 10:30 PM (880 Views)

        “I invented Dianetics” said Hubbard to cure me from being blinded and crippled in WWII..

        Madmen have a strange way of lying, as if a little bit of truth, turned
        inside out and blown out of proportion and out of context becomes
        reality for them…

        There was research done, research done on Abreactive Therapy, which is
        most similar to Dianetics, with a few huge differences… In abreactive
        therapy the patient is encouraged to INVENT an incident and then
        describe THAT, to relieve a trauma they could not deal with. Also there
        is no rote, repetitive hypnotic patter used to create a trance state.

        And then Hubbard told us all that stuff was REAL, and called it SPACE
        OPERA and PAST LIVES… actually quite a deviously clever idea…which
        allowed him to sell us tons of space opera stories in his hypnotic tapes
        – after all he was a science fiction writer!

        And there was considerable [I]research[/I] into Abreactive Therapy… (geddit?)

        Now, the man that did that research, Dr William Sargant, the head of
        PSYCHIATRY in the UK during WWII stated about ABREACTIVE THERAPY:

        (I’m paraphrasing from memory) The technique fails to be useful
        clinically because it takes too long to train people to use this
        technique well and was too difficult to use, requiring too much training
        and familiarity with psychological concepts…

        My proof that that is what Dianetics really is:

        Shortly after all that media I got in
        [URL=”http://www.lermanet.com/cos/lerma.html”]Dec 94[/URL], and
        [URL=”http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/arnaldo-lerma-newsday-101095.htm”]Summer
        95,[/URL] I received a telephone call from a very old man,. An articulate and intelligent man who asked me if I’d like to know where
        Hubbard stole the ideas that became Dianetics…

        I said, “Why of course I’d like to know!”

        And he told me that when Hubbard was in a Navy Hospital there was a visiting
        clinician who was passing out copies of his unfinished paper – and Mr
        Hubbard did not return his copy, he kept it. He used that for Dianetics.

        I asked this fellow if he would give me his name and he apologized that
        he was too old to take on those crazy bastards (Scientology)… but
        wished me luck.

        Turns out Dr William Sargant published his book Battle for the Mind in
        1955… the first HALF of Battle for the Mind leaves EVERY EX
        $cientologist MEMBER WHO HAS READ IT with the impression – OH my gawd,
        this is like the first half of Dianetics! (Only certain topics are stood
        upon their heads, turned inside out to suit Hubbard’s SHORE STORY he
        wrote for us to get use to do his repetitive routine called
        Dianetics…and he HAD to say he INVENTED it because otherwise he would
        have to say he STOLE an unworkable system, perverted it for his own
        ends, from the frigging HEAD of psychiatry in the UK!

        Incidentally, Dr Sargant describes himself as a “clinician” in His book
        “Battle for the Mind” and was a visiting professor at a US University a
        hundred miles from Norfolk/Hampton roads Naval station and Naval
        Hospital…just after WWII.

        ==

        16 years after this incident, I learned of a Dr Mosel who was the head
        of the psychology Department when Hubbard was there. Dr Mosel died 1
        year after that telephone call. It is my informed belief that this was
        the same man who called me that day:

        Dr. James N. Mosel, Emeritus Professor and Chairman of the Department of
        Psychology at the George Washington University, Retired…

        So There was research but it wasn’t by Hubbard, it was done by the head of PSYCHIATRY in the UK..

        Arnie Lerma

        See Amazon:

        http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Mind-Brainwashing-Evangelists-Psychiatrists/dp/1883536065/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424461196&sr=8-1&keywords=battle+for+the+mind++Sargant
        William
        Sargant
        “Battle for the Mind: A Physiology of Conversion and
        Brainwashing – How Evangelists, Psychiatrists, Politicians, and Medicine
        Men Can Change Your Beliefs”

        Gizmo said: “Arnie, Thank you. Sincerely thank you !

        That is a HUGE GIANT MONSTER piece of the puzzle !

        I’d heard about Abreactive Therapy ( & guided imagery ) but could
        not ever make any sense out of Hubbard’s hatred of psychiatry &
        psychology.

        Hubbard was a proven hack writer of sci-fi but everything else in his
        life was bumbling around bouncing here & there – all in a sudden
        while blind & crippled he pulls out of his hat dianetics? Hmm.

        I do appreciate what you have made public !”

        You are welcome.. ^^^ this ^^^ is why he demonized Psychiatry, so that
        you would never, ever, DARE to read a book by the head of Psychiatry in
        the UK, Battle for the Mind… My mentor,
        [URL=”https://www.google.com/search?q=lermanet.com+ida+camburn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8″]Ida
        Maye Camburn[/URL], gave me her copy and say “Arnie you need to read
        this” It was the first book by a psychiatrist I had ever read.. it
        totally blew my mind, the similarities to Dianetics were
        unmistakable…. but i had been out of scientology 15 years before I
        recovered from the demonization of the evil PSYCHS…

        PS: He was the developer of Shock Therapy… they had to have a way to
        get solders back to their units, who would flip out under Rommel’s
        incredible bombardments in North Africa… Abreactive Therapy took too
        long… and so he developed shock therapy… NOTE Not necessarily
        electro shock, ANY kind of shock… for me, that incident regarding
        Suzette Hubbard described
        [URL=”http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lermanet.com%2Fscientologynews%2Farnie-lerma-toldeo-blade.html&ei=SZPnVK_UKZKDNuD3g_gO&usg=AFQjCNGa1krLm94v4SvhzGuF8h-5vnftxQ&bvm=bv.86475890,d.eXY”]HERE[/URL]
        was sufficent a SHOCK to allow me to wake from Hubbard’s trance and
        leave the Sea Org. And for THAT I will be forever grateful to Suzette
        Hubbard.

        Even the Chapter and Index style and sub header titling style was the
        same in the first half of Dianetics to the first half (The portion that
        sargant had written in the late 40’s that Hubbard kept)..

        THIS kind of stuff is also WHY I have been demonized so viciously for
        two
        decades…(Recently[URL=”http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37824-The-Ukraine&p=1008046#post1008046″]
        Here[/URL])So you would never dare read ARNIE LERMA.

        Shock Therapy also is my writing style.. because when all you have is a hammer, everything becomes a nail…

        Arnie Lerma

        PS: Please print out and pass to others who might benefit. There is more about this coming out soon..

        PPS: His Naval. discharge papers say only that he had bad eyesight 20/50
        or 20/80 I don’t recall, and I DO recall that he had a [I]urethra[/I]l
        discharge…

        Edit:

        PPPS: Did it occur to anyone that his
        [URL=”http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC2218242%2F&ei=FZvnVIjRF8HMgwSqqYOIBw&usg=AFQjCNF56bo6RMOY2SgeT9t-_iLH5fAOow”]urethral
        discharge[/URL] might have been what he meant by “crippled” and the
        “wounds received in WWII” would have been from a hooker?

        [QUOTE=Gizmo;1008073]Arnie, you remain standing while the remaining scn’gists scurry to find a rock to hid under.

        They’ll remember you long after they have been forgotten.[/QUOTE]

        • Dice ✓

          copy that! I know 95% of your writings and history and i have read Battle for the Mind etc. So please don’t dump a wall of text on me.

          My question was: How did LRH historically got his hands on Sargant’s papers? There could have been a peer review or as you say, others was using Ab-reactive therapy before hubbard. There a re even books on this before hubbard was even born.

          Here is, what i suppose, is the current status on Sargant’s “papers” as they are under lock & barrel into the future: http://archives.wellcome.ac.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28AltRefNo==%27PP/WWS%27%29

          So when you say: Hubbard had read Sargant’s papers- i ask again; How, where , when and – what papers? Do you have any information on this?
          -Dice

          • please read the wall of text, it answered your question…

            • Dice ✓

              Found it 🙂 Gosh.. you could just have copy pasted that part with the strange phone call. No offence! And it is a valid piece of information that change the whole sequence of events.
              Thanks!

          • the post you felt was tl:dr answered all your questions

          • see prior tl:dr post all the answers are already there

    • Baby

      Arnie.. I met you at Flag Down in Clearwater and really respected you as an Ex. and an Activist. I had a beer with you and enjoyed talking to you. You may not remember me.

      Was it necessary for you to call us Nitwits fawning about Ortega’s coolness over at Marty’s
      ……………………….
      ” I don’t trust “lawyers” -or- Judges any more than I might trust a man in general.

      The nitwits fawning about Ortega’s coolness – more likely than not, not ONE of them has looked down the double barrel shotgun of scientology litigation… Tony’s supposed lawyer/partner/adviser has never tried a case… the blind leading the blind…. for a $3 subscription?”
      ………………………..

      All of us care about exposing the ” Chirch ” of Scientology. I do NOT fawn over Tony. We have become a close knit community because we have one thing in common. Many have spent years on the Bunker because Tony has up to date factual reports to give us.

      Do we J&D.. Hell yes we do.. and Tony has given a forum for us to do so. We cry over disconnection and the horror stories behind it. We cry over the financial ruin of members who have lost everything. The suicides..the deaths..

      We laugh about the absurdity of this evil evil cult. We are friends. This is our Water Cooler. We do NOT speak in one voice. We bicker among us. The Underground is a Self Monitoring forum. We are a Rag tag bunch of Exes, Under the Radar, Never Ins..

      Tony has many lurkers. I can’t imagine how many have left Scientology because of this Blog.

      TexasLawyer.. Is a forum member who gives opinions to Tony and the Bunker. He surmises. He discusses. Many of us are not knowledgeable about how Courts work and he informs us.

      If you define ” Fawning ” as respecting, liking and laughing with Tony we are guilty. And yes we have called him out at times. He works his ass off round the clock. We appreciate it. We have many tipsters and we appreciate them.

      This is an unusual Blog. We have bonded. It is organic and fluid. To refer to us as Nitwits was uncalled for. ” Blind leading the Blind? ” None of us including Tony and TexasLawyer knows exactly what goes behind closed doors. Thank you for reading. Baby

      • flyonthewall

        what you said. And Arnie, I’m taking back my upvote

      • Davka

        Baby, I only comment to surmise that perhaps the shot was taken against Scott P., not TX Lawyer.

        • Baby

          Davka.. There were many comments directed toward TexasLawyer.

          Your comment was plausible also. Thank you..I know you will agree with me when I say.. ” Either one of those gentleman were disrespected by Arnie. “

          • Davka

            Clearly a shot taken across the bow…..

            • Baby

              yep!

      • Thoughts in reply in no particular order, hope this helps

        Not one of us ex-LITIGANTS of scientology, people who have actually
        been deposed under oath in $cientology litigation, engaged in attacks upon Mr Robert Minton,
        however the core of supposed self described mostly keyboard critics that
        did are amongst the key “fawners” and love bombers that I was referring
        to… who I believe have steered Mr Ortega towards popular and acceptable waters…through no fault of his own other than being human.

        I have said what I think for decades, with little regard for what anyone thinks is proper.
        I don’t know texas lawyer and was referring to an advisor, but if the shoe fits, wear it.
        The mechanics of the cult experience exist whether it has a little paper label ‘cult’ stuck to it or not.
        If my comment made one person think, I believe that is a good thing, and understand I believe thinking is the opposite of being entranced….
        If self reflection resulted then it is all good.
        I savor every opportunity for reflection. thank you for your comment.

        Without truth there is delusion.
        Arnie Lerma
        Further comments or questions? use arnaldolerma@lermanet2.com
        What the hell is this guy going on about? http://theapolloseries.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-betrayal-of-mr-robert-minton.html

        When you’re one step ahead crowd you’re genius When you’re two steps ahead you’re crackpot –Rabbi Shlomo Riskin Lincoln Square

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Lord Hubris: Dianetics 1950
    A clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything which has ever happened to him
    or anything he has ever studied. He does mental computations, such as those of chess, for
    example, which a normal would do in half an hour, in ten or fifteen seconds.

    He does not think “vocally” but spontaneously.
    There are no demon circuits in his mind except those which it might amuse him to set up —
    and break down again — to care for various approaches to living. He is entirely self-determined.
    And his creative imagination is high. He can do a swift study of anything within his intellectual capacity,
    which is inherent, and the study would be the equivalent to him of a year or two of training when he was “normal.” His vigor, persistence and tenacity to life are very much higher than anyone has thought possible.”

    Funny how that’s worked out, eh, DM?
    Strange how there has never been even one $cientologist chess champion or one $cientologist
    Nobel prize. Other than Chick Corea and Neil Gaiman, $cientology artists have been generally meh.
    I guess arguments could be made for Beck’s early stuff and for Geoffrey Lewis.
    Mostly, it seems to stunt creativity and genius.
    The whales seem to largely have made money on stocks or dubious MLM schemes and the entire movement is of an intellectual rigor mortis that makes the Norwegian Blue look positively in the peak of good health.

    And Lord Hubris’ own efforts – two lps of total and unerring dross and a sci-fi decalogue so stupefyingly bad
    there should be laws against it, serve only to underline the paucity of evidence for anything other than
    chutzpah and fraud.

    Tick Tock

    • Kestrel

      They’ve had 66 years to produce a Clear and it hasn’t happened. There are no scientists who credit scientology for their abilities and no spiritual leaders who look to scientology for answers. In 66 years, there is no evidence of even one person who “came back” to the Sea Org.

      • edge

        As a man who takes the public perception of his “ecclesiastical-ness” so seriously (he compares himself to the Pope and Dalai Lama), I’m surprised DM hasn’t told the remaining cult members that he is Hubbard re-incarnated.

        • ze moo

          Davy was in his twenties when Lron shit the bed. DM could claim to have ‘captured’ Lron’s ‘thetan’ and then glued it to himself. But who would believe that? Oh….me bad….

          • Observer

            The BT to end all BTs.

    • scottmercer

      If you’re talking about Mission:Earth, Hubbard didn’t write that. I believe he wrote a short outline of each book and the actual heavy lifting was done by Robert Vaughn Young (I think? Am I remembering that incorrectly? Silly me, must be my reactive mind getting in the way.)

      • I understood that Hubbard did write the whole of “Mission: Earth”himself, as one massive story.

        David Miscavige handed Robert Vaughn Young the job of not only of dividing it up into 10 volumes, but also finding some way of introducing each one, and reminding readers of what had gone before.

        It was a poisoned chalice. Incredibly, RVY found a way to do this which proved acceptable to Hubbard. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/l-ron-hubbards-ghost-writer/

        Hubbard seems to have been genuinely obsessed with proving himself to be an SF writer of the ‘golden age’ of the 50s. Scientology was supposedly scientific, and this was the only genre which has escaped the pulps and become respectable so I suppose he didn’t have much choice.

        The incredibly poor quality of the book, and its sheer size (1.2 million words) suggests a man who was losing his mind. Miscavige was happy with him being distracted in this way, as it allowed him to position himself to seize power when the guru died.

        RVY did write material which was published under Hubbard’s name, to promote “Mission: Earth”, but not the books.

        This included:

        An article in a newspaper https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/the-rocky-mountain-news/
        A postal interview for a book https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/dream-makers-an-interview-with-l-ron-hubbard-in-exile/

        RVY was so good that he managed to both capture Hubbard’s ‘voice’ and express himself coherently. Nobody realised that these were literary forgeries until their real author admitted writing them.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Literary forgeries or written with the help of a ghost writer?

          • Hubbard wrote the whole of “Mission: Earth”. RVY only divided the huge story into 10 volumes and wrote short introductions for each.

            RVY also wrote two postal ‘interviews’ for Hubbard while presenting himself as Hubbard.

            A ghost writer helps someone tell their story by listening to them and writing it down for them. It’s still their story. RVY wrote the two interviews which purported to have been written by Hubbard but were, in fact, written by him with no input from Hubbard. I think those were forgeries, even though Hubbard ordered him to write them, and approved of the result.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Thanks for the clarification. So RVY wrote the interview responses but not the works themselves. When you’re talking about answers to media inquiries and sometimes even articles, it’s pretty common practice for hired hands to write those, with or without much direction or input from the hired principals. Not sayin it’s right, but I wouldn’t call it forgery or a literary forgery.

            • I didn’t know that. Whatever you call it, I think we can agree it isn’t honest.
              The fascinating thing is to me is that RVY did a much better Ron than Ron did.

      • grundoon

        Who else but Hubbard could write that crap?

  • Captain MustSavage

    A pair of female book review bloggers did an hilarious podcast of their review of dianetics. I can’t remember where to find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

    • No. No one. You’re on your own.

    • Observer

      This one, maybe? It looks pretty good even though they aren’t women.

      http://read-weep.com/#!/episode.php/dianetics

      • Captain MustSavage

        Thanks Obs, but this one is a bunch of guys talking about it. The one I’m thinking of has two women amused and horrified in equal parts as they howl about all of the abortion references. It was hilarious.

  • beauty for ashes

    Just found a newish interview with classy teddy bear Mark Bunker. Might help refresh the stink of Hubbard out of your brain. 🙂
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsUoAKuPtNo

    • Juicer77

      It’s a good interview, but she’s got all kinds of woo language interspersed in it. Mark does a good job of staying on point.

      • beauty for ashes

        I know I would have got sidetracked too. Especially after she said control over mest is possible, and astral projection, is totally easy just believe in God. **scratches head**
        Mark also gives a great shout out to Tony and the Bunker.:)

  • Julian

    The man.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0T9UvxBg5g&feature=youtu.be&a=
    I’m not sure why that video didn’t post properly.

    • flyonthewall

      That’s bc you suck at everything and life. You are also a racist xenophobe. Do you come here to take a break from your disgusting islamophobia?

  • scottmercer

    Dianetics enters Public Domain in 29 years…if anyone even still wants it by then, anyone will be able to sell it, or more likely, distribute it for free on the internet. TICK TOCK…

    • Thanks.
      I’ve set my alarm clock.

      • scottmercer

        And obviously all of his fiction works that predate Dianetics go into Public Domain prior to that. I believe the first one is in seven years…

    • Juicer77

      Is that true? Or can copyrights to the newer versions be renewed?

      • ze moo

        The newer versions will retain the copyright and the original will remain the property of Author Services. You can always do a parody version though.

  • Mymy88

    Just in case anybody missed this yesterday, I thought it was too good not to be posted again. If you want to give nottrue a like for it, it’s from yesterday (Sunday’s blog dated 5/8/16). You can get there by file by newest and scroll down till you see the big pic of two great big white ghosts against a black background (you can’t miss that – observer posted it) then scroll back up about two threads and you should see nottrue’s post about Kirstie’s tweet.

    • Mockingbird

      Ouch. I wouldn’t have used the B word, but do like disconnection being pointed out.

      • Kirstie is as petty and vulgar as they come so I think it’s “fair game” pardon the pun.

        • Mockingbird

          Derek ! I object to fair game as I was fair gamed ! But a woman calling another woman that is way more ethical than Scientology.

          • I think everyone here, me included objects to fair game. I was making a pun, in the sense that the word “bitch” is “fair game” with Kirstie because she uses it herself. No one is talking about fair gaming anyone in the Scientology sense.

            • Mockingbird

              Ha ha ! We should make a board game of fair game to sell ! Scientology would be stuck – if they admit our game steals their methods they are admitting to murder, perjury, conspiracy, Brainwashing, unlawful imprisonment, human trafficking, etc.

              But if they don’t sue us the gamecan teach people what Scientology really offers. No win situation.

        • Mockingbird

          You sir are speaking of “Classy” Kristie Alley ! Why, how dare anyone impugn her integrity !

      • Roger Hornaday

        I wouldn’t have used the B word either but I approve of it vicariously.

        • daisy

          The only reason I would not use the word bitch is because it is insulting to bitches.

      • Mymy88

        Judgement call 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Is it still up? It was still there for a while… XD

      • Dice ✓

        It’s embedded in the bunker and soon to be carved in stone!

        • Roger Hornaday

          And suitable for framing.

      • She’s too busy fighting off the ferrets.
        They’re quite like BT’s.

      • Mymy88

        I don’t do Twitter because I don’t understand twitter though I have tried lol. I’m sure nottrue can look it up for ya.

        • Juicer77

          Thx. I can try to find it. I have chosen not to be a Tweeter, it’s another time suck and more time I don’t need to spend with my face glued to a screen. 😉

          • Mymy88

            That too lol.

    • Always speak truth to power.

    • OOkpik

      Mymy, here’s a little trick you might appreciate when you want to redirect votes to the original poster.

      Right click on the time to the right of their name on the original post.
      Select “copy link location” from the drop-down box.
      Paste it into your comment. (ctrl+V)

      Here is the link to nottrue’s original comment:
      http://tonyortega.org/2016/05/08/giant-certificates-and-other-weirdness-from-scientology-in-our-weekly-review/#comment-2665377319

      • Mymy88

        That’s awesome. Thanks so much 🙂

  • Hubbard wrote The Affirmations just a few years before the sequel – Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Affirmations.

    • History is good.
      I like to make new mistakes.

  • Sir Derf

    Here we have Scientology bastards trying to steal money from people under the guise of “drug treatment:”

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/no-convention-welcome-to-hollywood-tour#/story

    Anybody know how to alert IndieGoGo to frauds?

    • Juicer77

      You can report them at the bottom of the page under “Contains Prohibited Content.” The are not stating that the money will go to the Church of Scientology, which we know it directly will.

      • Always Amazed

        Their TOS is so loose, they would not care.

        • Perhaps they would, once they understood that there was a potential for bad PR. It’s always worth a try.

          The main thing is not to sound like a zealot – just present the facts that Foundation for a Drug Free World is a Scientology front group that does not do substantial work in that field, but recruits for Scientology instead.

      • Sir Derf

        I reported them, but as was pointed out, the IndieGoGo web site don’t care as long as they get their cut. I can’t believe #Scientology customers gave these people money. It’s as if some people do not do Google searches before they click on SEND MONEY.

        It should be automatic. Every time someone asks for money for some charitable works everyone should Google them every time.

        • Juicer77

          Thankfully they seem to be getting very little donor response…

        • Juicer77

          I’ve gotten that way with Change.org petitions (sadly). The few truly worthwhile ones are drowned in a sea of greedy scams or personal issues.

    • WOG with Attitude

      No worries. They’ve had that up awhile. They’re not too close to their $40,000 goal. $255.00 Wooo!

      I suspect their pie in the sky amount would go right to Scientology anyway.

      Chill Eb was asking for $15,000 to promote his new single, which may be out by now. I’m not a music industry person, but that all sounds fishy to me. Where is Scientology when he needs them!? Same for the indie go go kids.

      Idjets all!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Thank you for the link. I reported them too.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology?
    If you had the misfortune to fall in a septic tank or a slurry pit at a pig farm,
    $cientology is worse than you stink.

    Monique blink-a-blink Yingling on 20/20 –
    was she opining for the frauds?

    When DM finally got sent away to the big house for a dime to ten for inurement,
    fraud and human trafficking, he found himself sharing a cell with Bubba.
    He petitioned to be transferred and to work on the farm detail.

    Well, you know what they say, …”If at first you don’t suck, seed.”

    • You’re an asshole.
      So much better than being a creep.
      “Creeps and Assholes: Character is Destiny”
      Find it. Susan Shapiro changed my life.

    • Baby

      Hahahha ” Mack ” ( from now on my hubby’s name is Mack ) laughed his Ass off Pan.. ” Suck, seed ” brilliant.

    • MarcabExpat

      “No, no, your Honor, she wasn’t opining for the frauds! She was just pining for the fjords! She blinks a lot when she does that.”

  • Satansthetan

    Thank you Tony! Here’s a message for all you Indies out there,

  • Observer

    That’s what happens when you’re a hypocrite, Kirstie.

    https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/728038039956688897

    • Roger Hornaday

      Poor Kirstie, born to complain.

      • JaxNGold

        ..and be highly hypocritical…

      • MaxSpaceman

        born to whine

    • “@kirstiealley kill em with kindness and debunk their stupidity!”

      yes, please. do that.

    • Nat-leficent

      Postulate harder you Oatee you!

      • flyonthewall

        i’m givin’ her all she’s got sir! I canna postulate no more!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          She ate all the Dilithium crystals.

          • flyonthewall

            that’s gonna hurt on the way out…real bad like

            • Kestrel

              That will definitely involve a warp factor.

            • flyonthewall

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not to worry, I’m sure she’s got quite the intestinal fortitude.

            • OOkpik

              She must have; she apparently passed TRs and that’s no laughing matter.

    • SNAFU

      One thing all totalitarian regimes and their adherents have in common is that they can’t stand being questioned, nor do they stand up well to questioning.

      • Mockingbird

        How dare you question me !!!

    • Dice ✓

      the bitch is bitching – someone should follow her on twitter!

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        I wonder if she ever realized that some people just simply hate her? Or does she think that the internet created rudeness?! Puh-leez.

    • Mymy88

      Hahahahahahahahaha! Eat it bitch! However, should you ever leave scientology, I probably would be able to find it in my heart to forgive you. But for now… Guuurl, you’re a BITCH!

    • Mockingbird

      Pure tragicomedy gold. I hate cults, no matter how nice people are, they get abused and have their rights violated.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Yeah, fuck those jackasses. And fuck those SP’s who gave birth to good scientologists too, they don’t deserve to be honoured on Mothers Day no matter how RUDE Twitter is about it.

  • beauty for ashes

    If this guy said he had power over MEST, I might be more convinced than by some who parade around like super heroes only showing their super fundraising capabilities.
    Also he makes some pretty orbits.:)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseWXpkaGTY

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    COB RTC David Miscavige Announces Dianetics II OT Edition

    http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/sadhu77/Dianetics.png

    “Even after COB personally and extensively edited and corrected the manifold errors, mistakes, and problems in Dianetics, the 1950 book remains unreadable, ponderous, and unbelievable in every way,” declared Church spokesman Ken Delusion.

    “For this reason, COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige has completely rewritten the Founder’s hopeless 1950’s tome and is issuing it anew as Dianetics II, the David Miscavige OT Edition. Whereupon, it is mandatory that every Scientologist purchase two copies in case one copy breaks.

    And of course it goes without saying that the big IAS fundraise begins now to place Dianetics II into all 111,290,454,819 libraries in the world.”

    • beauty for ashes

      Does it come with a pink turban study hat?

      • OOkpik

        Nothin’ but dis-turban!

      • Snippy_X

        More genie turbans, please. Mecca lecca hi.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Is there a survey card included?

      • beauty for ashes

        Did you remember after reading this book that your mother attempted to abort you several times, and if so how did that make you feel?

      • flyonthewall

        no but there is a scurvy scar included

    • Introduction: Can We Ever Be Friends Again?

      Chapter One: “Talking to RTC about your Feelings, Traumas and Problems and the State of Release.”

      Chapter Two: “From Dianetics to Infinity Porch of New Clear and OT.”

      Chapter Three: “Advanced Clearing Tech for IAS Members.”

      Simplified Glossary. This time for real.

      Free bonded leather bookmark with David Miscavige’s message of love and wisdom printed in Gold included.

    • Mockingbird

      Leather bound editions are only two thousand dollars and every Scientologist in good standing must buy two copies for their collection and one copy for every library in the world. Cash or credit ?

  • flyonthewall

    I have a question for the ex’s here – Did you ever fart from postulating too hard? Serious question. My sister involuntarily farts when she sneezes, I thought maybe it might be the same thing.

    • Dice ✓

      when you sneeze you make a postulate or a wish! no farting involved 🙂

      • flyonthewall

        nu-uh

    • After you pass the TR’s and all, farting is no longer part of your case.
      Even when you turn SP and become Ex, it’s simply does not happen, postulates or otherwise.
      Exes don’t fart. This is true. I hope it answers your question, Mr. Fly.

      • flyonthewall

        wow! I’m going to join scientology and then quit and become an SP so I never have to fart again either.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          The trick is to get your own goldenrod…and shove it.

          • flyonthewall

            do they even give those things anymore? I heard they’re like collectors items. It’s all whisper campaigns and fb unfriending now

            • edge

              So they’ve moved into the 21st century? They don’t issue paper declares anymore and it’s just social media disconnection? The form matters not. It’s still a cold, heartless policy and I’m glad the MSM is increasingly unafraid to call out the church of BS

            • flyonthewall

              does this mean we can stop referring to them as the LSM?

            • edge

              I will vow to refer to them as the LSM only if I’m killing a turkey and drinking a Double Big Gulp at the same time, all while raising a son who beat his girlfriend and a daughter with two kids out of wedlock while also proclaiming to be an abstinence advocate. I can not stand the Palins.

          • Mockingbird

            Shoop or it didn’t happen.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Practicing your TR-L, Dodo?

        • You are just being jelly, L. Wrong.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Are you kidding me? I’d take TR-F if it existed. Teach me how to fart better, with more control.

            • With avatar like that, you can teach me.

            • Cedilla

              3 Steps.

              TR-F #1: Remove Malware (POS).

    • And if so, has anyone accidentally postulated after farting – for example, letting one off in the street and then noticing a parking space?

      • let’s also say, for example, one were to fart-stulate and Clear the entire room… could that person (not me… fo’cereal guyz… i’m only asking for a friend) then skip a few classes and go straight to OT levels?

        • I helped a friend out yesterday. When we finished, he fed me a curry containing an unaccustomed amount of meat (he’s a butcher).

          After I ate it, I leaned forward to pick up my cup of tea and did something that motivated their dog to leave (and she’s not innocent of flatulence).

          If you could skip classes for clearing a room, I would be OT 10 right now.

          • that’s what i’d call Orders Of Magnitude! (i can relate … heh heh, i mean my friend … had punjab eggplant and chana masala last night and it has been a bit of a challenge to not OTIX my himself today)

      • flyonthewall

        that be some OT tootin’ right there. Not as OT as moving clouds but still pretty damn OT

      • Mockingbird

        Wow. That’s Scientological.

    • Ella Raitch

      Please do tell your sister that someone in Australia knows she farts when she sneezes

      • Roger Hornaday

        LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Tell her two people in Australia know she farts when she sneezes. 🙂

  • nottrue

    …Dianetics recent reviews… Also good take down of CCHR …http://www.auburnjournal.com/article/5/09/16/reader-input-millions-helped-psychiatric-meds

    • flyonthewall

      yes, i found that very helpful

      • i’m mouse clicking like a maniac & keyboard mashing to Report Abuse (not for these reviews, which i also found to be very helpful) … *sigh* one of these days …

        • flyonthewall

          *pats on back* s’ok duckman, s’ok

    • Mockingbird

      Hilarious and stolen.

    • Roger Hornaday

      I blew so much mass reading the scathing reviews.

  • nottrue
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Mike’s post and resulting comments are very, very good again today.

    • Mockingbird

      Stolen. Scientology Mother’s Day disconnection. Perfect for Kristie Alley.

  • worstcultever

    Re Dianetics – I’ll have what Tony’s having, straight-up revulsion with a side of withering contempt.

    Vile book and noxious creep indeed. The sickness of that sick old fuck’s brain was just bottomless.

  • Dice ✓

    Remember when your parents told you, not to play with the bad boys?
    Imagine local officials came to your door and told you, not to talk to your neighbors because they where bad people!

    Ha ha! Fezz off

    • my new favorite move, when the JWs and Mormons come knocking, is to ask them if they have a moment to discuss the teachings of L Ron and Scientology. i only got to do it once, it’s that good 🙁

  • Flying High

    Our friends, Oh No, Ross and Carrie! The Podcast, put up their photo collection regarding The Way to Happiness: Ross and Carrie Audit Scientology (Part 7). The main thing you will notice is that this building is entirely empty and completely devoid of life. It truly shows how the ‘church’ is now in a complete downfall.

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1025990814143929.1073741874.105045406238479&type=3

    • Steve Bazemore

      Thats been up a little while. I listened to. Few episodes that i hadnt seen anything about them being up… Figured wed see them posted on the bunker, but glad i found them myself

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I hope you enjoy the quiz at the end–Who said it: Hubbard or Manson?

      • Flying High

        No I didn’t see that and thanks for pointing that out. As a result you had me scroll down their page and amazing how “Carrie just finished this [Leah Remini’s] book in 2.5 days, and recommends it to all!” and they even posted a video of Spike singing a song and dedicating it to them!

        • Juicer77

          At the end of Episode 7 podcast. It’s hilarious!

  • Saw no Mercury, Venus or even Sun today.
    Lots of Earth though. We good.

  • MaxSpaceman

    The awful narratives Hubbard writes in Dianetics — by some readers with whom the book resonated (How many copies did Jefferson’s brilliant ‘volcano cover’ re-marketing the Dianetics book sell?, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of copies) — become dissociative in the mind of the reader.

    That is, glossed over; sped-read past; ignored, as the individual searches for their “beef” — the promises that ‘they’ are looking for. Their need is large. There are large promises made about those needs.

    Therefore, from the point of view of this kind of reader, who reads thru Dianetics to the end: What is their experience? That’s important to consider. Solely because of the reality of the millions of copies sold across 6 decades.

    “My present problems are screwed up like this; Dianetics is saying you’re screwed up because it goes like this in life— And Here Is How You Fix It.

    One of these biggies is: healing physical ills.

    Another biggie is: turning your feelings of ‘ineffectiveness’ into ‘effectiveness’

    I’m not an apologist. Any regular here would know that. But I am a realist (always striving, anyway:), and Jefferson’s success in the 1990s really shone a light on the fact that the 2 biggies I mentioned are near-universal human desires, across millennia. For ‘some’ people. Across decades.

    That’s why the awfulness is somehow dismissed disassicaitvely or however. Because there were and are people who want to affect a cure to a physical ill they may have. Or to millions, who wish to be more effectively ‘them’, each one of them, to the tune of a few thousand globally, at least, per year..

    Sorry to say. That’s how it happens.

  • I am incensed, rather than in census. I guess I’ll have to redefine “complete it by May 10” to mean by the end of May 10.

    High volume of requests
    The online questionnaire is currently experiencing a high volume of requests. Please try again in a few minutes.

    For hours now. Can’t wait for the religion question.

    • Translate please.

      • It’s the Canadian 2016 Census day.

        (Finally got through) I must have got the short-short form. No religion question, so they’ll statistically extrapolate the number of Scientologists in Canada from people who filled out the long form rather than the exact number of people who said they were.

        Harper ditched the long form (reinstated by Trudeau), so now there’s a hole in the statistics.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Pete Griffiths. Posted SPs ‘r’ Us. http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/live/2016/may/05/louis-theroux-webchat-bbc#block-57307912e4b002f4e7ed85d2

    “Will ‘My Scientology Movie’ ever be getting a UK wide release?” A dialog with Louis via Webchat.

    “Yes it will. It’s coming later this year to cinemas near you. We made a deal with a company called Altitude who released Amy, so it’s all very exciting.

    “For me it’s a big departure, because it’s the first theatrical released documentary I’ve ever made. It was conceived and shot as a cinematic movie, it’s 100 minutes, and it investigates and attempts to get under the skin of what for me is the Holy Grail of stories: America’s homegrown religion created by a science fiction writer, and structured like a corporation. With Tom Cruise.”

    • MaxSpaceman

      F5 refresh for Louis in the Guardian

  • Roger Hornaday

    After reading Dianetics I had vivid memories of how my mother tried to abort me while I was in her womb. I knew it didn’t make sense because she was 27 and had been trying like crazy to get pregnant for several years but that didn’t matter to me. I was too excited about having mystical powers of recall.

    • salin

      Thank you, Roger, for sharing your response – including both the irrational aspect (as you describe) – and also the context of avid enthusiasm for the promised outcomes. It can be so hard to understand how strong the pull of the fervor of the excitement/hopefulness that can separate people from their critical thoughts. Comments from those who have lived it – and come through it – are very powerful.

  • salin

    Consider clicking Recommend (the ‘heart’ below the comments count) to ‘upvote’ today’s UB installment.

    Guess the planetary transit kicked up some amazing aurora energy – as a reminder to click the Recommend I share some aurora shots from around the globe. This time of year in the northern hemisphere the length of day light makes the auros harder to see. It is rare to find photographic evidence of active, visible aurora’s in so many different places. NASA has a sight for people around the globe to share their photos. Enjoy!

    Sebago Lake, Maine (US) http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=125447&PHPSESSID=a7c1tg7gvpsl7tlhlu0nnr41q4

    Hindas, Sweden http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=125423&PHPSESSID=a7c1tg7gvpsl7tlhlu0nnr41q4

    Plavinas, Latvia http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=125420&PHPSESSID=a7c1tg7gvpsl7tlhlu0nnr41q4

    Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=125323&PHPSESSID=a7c1tg7gvpsl7tlhlu0nnr41q4

    Southern Finland http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=125321&PHPSESSID=a7c1tg7gvpsl7tlhlu0nnr41q4

    Nykøbing Mors, Denmark http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=125317&PHPSESSID=a7c1tg7gvpsl7tlhlu0nnr41q4

    • TheMirrorThetan

      The purple and gold coloured ones are really beautiful.

    • Baby

      Hi Piglet.. I was thinking of you all day yesterday.. First one was the hardest as I remember.. sigh.. I know your heart hurt.. love baby..

      • salin

        ((Baby)) Thank you.

  • 9001

    O/T $cientology named entity is mentioned in the Panama Papers!
    Nesta Investments Limited registered themselves in the British Virgin Islands through an intermediary in Jersey. Maybe someone has contacts in the media organisations with access to the complete data that could confirm.

    https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/10069773

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Tell me it’s somehow connected to Wiseman and Burke…

      • 9001

        I don’t know. It seems to be UK based. East Grinstead and the Isle of Jersey.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Darn. Still interesting, though. I wondered if any scientologists were going to turn up in those documents.

    • salin

      Not off topic at all. Extremely interesting.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Not OT at all! Paging Mr. Ortega to the white courtesy phone.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts
      • Juicer77

        Oh, crap, there’s Nesta!!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      If it is scientology or cat related, it is never off-topic. 🙂

    • Juicer77

      (f5)

      • 9001

        Morning Juicer!. Not got much else at the moment. They haven’t done a Wikileaks and put everything online, just basic info. Awaiting confirmation…

  • flyonthewall

    My daughter just turned 8 a few wks ago and she confirmed that it is NOT ok for a grown man to kiss a 7 yr old passionately and there is nothing wrong with her if she doesn’t like it. Just throwing that out there in case there were any lingering doubts about Hubbard’s assertions in Dianetics.

    • Supper Powers

      Kinda doubt her father would let that fly, either. Pun intended.

    • I remember as a kid not liking to be kissed in any way, unless it was my Mom or Dad giving me a kiss on a forehead while tacking my blanket to make me feel safe and loved. Grandma and Auntie were suspects with their enthusiastic kisses.

      • Juicer77

        F5

    • pat k

      Fly your child has standards I like!

    • Mockingbird

      I think it’s gotta be close to a felony.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    What have I missed? I just saw Ross & Carrie’s comment that the Way to Happiness is now a 70-page tome? Wha? When I last saw it many years ago, I recall an insipid little pamphlet that couldn’t have been more than 30 pages long if that and was in sore need of a substance infusion and a style overhaul. Has that been done?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Really large printing?

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Ah, that could maybe splain it, but I recall it seeming pretty large to begin with.

    • Nat-leficent

      So is Scientology all these Ross and Carrie people do now?

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Alas, I think they are nearing the end of their series on the great cult of our era.

        • Nat-leficent

          They should do updates. I’m sure they will.

        • Anony-Lurker

          One of the Great cults of our era.

      • Jimmy3

        What happened to Rachel? What’d Carrie do???

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        How can you top it? Go full on pagan? FLDS?

      • Flying High

        Initially their objective was covering other religions and ‘therapies’ including the use of the Ouija board – LOL. But after they did their Part 1 coverage of the ‘church,’ here they are releasing their Part 7 segment yesterday. And there is more coming and I can’t wait for them to reveal how in the end they were ‘discovered’ and as a result were banished, dead filed, excommunicated, shunned or whatever term you want to use! – https://www.facebook.com/ONRAC/

    • Juicer77

      They said the copy they were given was a tiny book, but there was a copy the org was trying to sell them that was way bigger. They speculated that maybe it had exercises or some other supplemental material in it.

  • Anony-Lurker

    Sometimes I buy courses from the “Great Courses-Teaching Company” and I therefore receive their catalogs.
    Today, I received one and noticed that one of the courses was: “Meet Religion’s Great Spiritual Teachers – Confucius, Buddha, Jesus, and Mohammad”.

    There was no mention of Hubbard!

    Am I missing something???

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You won’t encounter Hubbard until you sign up for the “Histories Greatest Crooks” course.

      • Anony-Lurker

        Ok, my mistake.

      • outraged

        Hubbard is in a category of his own.
        The Greatest Con Ever Dumped on Mankind.

        • Anony-Lurker

          You don’t think Kim Jong Un might have that one lockd in?

          • outraged

            Kim has no one fooled except those people that run around taking notes wherever he goes.

            • Anony-Lurker

              Maybe…but I see them as pretty similar and Kim, his father and grandfather have certainly damaged more people and families. Kind of like Scientology but on a much larger scale.

            • outraged

              Of course. It is hard to top Kim for mass servitude and starvation.

              But still, LRH is in a category of his own.
              And DM stepped right in and topped it off with his own unique form of criminality.

            • Anony-Lurker

              I suppose it’s just a matter of scale i.e. Stalin, Hitler etc

            • outraged

              YES!!!

              People are people are people.
              Assholes are assholes are assholes.
              simple.
              Well, not really simple. People ARE com;plicated.
              My father was an asshole. Also narcissistic and arrogant. Unurturing. But he showed his heart at rare times unlike my mother who has never found her heart.

            • Anony-Lurker

              And people can be very malleable and very often manipulated to another person’s wishes.

            • outraged

              Exactly. This is often called emotional abuse.

            • Anony-Lurker

              Would you say it is and always has been pretty rampant?

            • outraged

              Absolutely. I’m one of those who believes that we cannot have good without evil.
              If there is peace, there is war.

              The world is expanding in wonderful ways at the same time is contracting with awful results.

              I do think there are major pockets of mankind that are good, and are nurturing and do care. However, at the same time, there are groups of people in the world who are thinking up even more ways of hurting and terrorizing. Think of ISIS. Who the fuck cuts someone’s head of in front of the world?

              We are ALL people, t he good the bad and the ugly.
              All I can do is affect those around me. Add to the well of life and not take.
              Have courage, do the right thing, and remember that love conquers all.

            • Anony-Lurker

              Good point

              I wonder if evil is something conditioned into people (There are exceptions like a DM…Sociopaths), but along with your ISIS analogy, I can also think of our Soldiers being conditioned to do some horrible things during Vietnam (LT Calley) and WW 2 (Americans also perpetuated some awful horrible things).

              I’m not asking for answers, just these are interesting things to think about. ISIS militants are or have been conditioned to believe they are doing god’s work..thus the horrific violence. (I’m not condoning it).

              Again, very interesting things to muse over.

    • Liberated

      Hubbard was the Buddha in a past life, so if his name was mentioned it would be redundant.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      You received an offer for the “Great Spiritual Teachers Who Were Not Clears” package. Please ask for the OT Great Courses package.

  • Jimmy3

    I was a seven-year-old girl once. (This was years ago). Some creep tried to kiss me, but I kicked him right in the engram-makers.

  • Mockingbird

    I thought of a great thing to ask “Classy” Kristie Alley. When she out her Mother’s day tweet we should have asked if the Young girls in the Sea Org who were forced to have abortions so they could keep the cult going for her benefit should have a happy mother’s day too ? They lost their children because of Scientology ? Is that forced abortions and no birth control the greatest good ?

    • Anony-Lurker

      I’d ask her: How does it feel to be an aging has-been. I know it’s cruel, but she has no problems with cruelty towards others.

      • Mockingbird

        I don’t mind her career or aging. I mind her supporting a harmful cult.

  • Nat-leficent

    Gifs
    F5

    • Baby

      Nat.. I laugh everytime I see you Avi Texas got ya..hahaha

    • Mockingbird

      That shit is funny as hell.

  • Supper Powers

    I is broke down on the side of the road waiting for rescue. Someone say something funny, please.

    • Jimmy3

      Just drove past some dumbass broke down on the side of the road. That was pretty funny.

      • Supper Powers

        Always reliable. Thank you.

        • Mockingbird

          He is consistent.

          • Supper Powers

            A Bunker treasure.

        • Snippy_X

          omg, I literally (as in never really did this before, but just really truly did) snarf coffee on the keyboard. Wasn’t expecting that. 😀

          • Supper Powers

            Jimmy3 is a Bunker treasure.

      • Mockingbird

        What a Cardone.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Hope a Scientologist shows up. Cause, you know…..that whole helping thing.

      • Supper Powers

        Yes. My drive shaft needs a touch assist.

        • Jimmy3

          Yeah my shaft could use an assist too.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Whoa. TMI!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Are you a DIYer?

        • Mockingbird

          Whoa

      • Mockingbird

        Tom Cruise to the rescue !

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          For some reason the A Team theme popped into my head.

          • Mockingbird

            Totally appropriate.

    • Nat-leficent

      F5

      • Supper Powers

        Aw! I love it!

        • Nat-leficent

          “its nice that you bought your croissant a bed”
          XD

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Love the croissant quip.

        • There was laughter around the table upon sharing that.

      • Rasha

        KITTEH!!!! <3

      • Flying High

        Nat, I just hovered over your stellar new avatar and saw you have exactly 10,000 comments posted. VWD! LOL And keep up the great work! 🙂

        • Rasha

          VWD FTW NAT!!!

      • Linda Clement

        What kind of lizard is he?

        • Snippy_X

          Prime boneless

    • Mockingbird

      You could be going BACK to the RPF !

      • Supper Powers

        Yikes! No thanks!

        • Mockingbird

          Well, then it’s good to be waiting by the side of the road.

          • Supper Powers

            Agreed.

    • Supper Powers

      This lil guy showed up right before my human support team. Thanks y’all. Talk tomorrow!

      • Baby

        oh sweetie.. take care.. xox love baby.. darling kitteh..

        • Supper Powers

          Woo hoo! I’m home safely in bed! An axle broke and it will be fixed in a jiffy.

          • Baby

            OH good.. Ugh.. I hate car trouble!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You better have taken that kitteh home or you’re in Bunker timeout for the rest of the week.

        • Supper Powers

          Ha! He had a collar with a bell and ran to house after he said hello. He is well loved despite being allowed outdoors.

    • Baby

      When I was in College Jude ( twin) was going to Ohio University in Athens Ohio.

      My roommate’s ( Joyce) Mother came to visit and introduced me to her.

      “Mom meet Trudy her twin sister Judy goes to OHIO STATE. ”

      I said.. ” Ohio U. ”

      and her mom answered.. ” Just fine thank you.”

      That was in 1965 and I still laugh.. ( Yes real name used..don’t give a shit anymore)

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You’ll always be Baby to us! Mwah!

        • Baby

          Awwwwwwww Buddy.. Mwah back and I can’t myself when I hug you..You are so squeeeeeeeeeeezable.

      • Baby

        Thank you Rashie for your pity vote..hahaha

        • Rasha

          Not so! Stealing pun! ^_^

          • Baby

            Oh steal away darlin..

      • Supper Powers

        I like this!

        • Baby

          Good.. I wrote down a funny memory for you Supper..

    • Mockingbird

      I hope this doesn’t happen to you either !

      Trump supporter refuses tow truck service to stranded and disabled woman because she had Bernie bumper sticker.

      http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/tow-truck-driver-refuses-to-help-bernie-supporter_us_572a75b4e4b096e9f090403f

      • Liberated

        That’s fucked up.

        • Anony-Lurker

          It’s horrifying!!!

        • Mockingbird

          Uh, yep.

      • Anony-Lurker

        Welcome to the 21st Century. A time where Higher Education is not valued and people are glued to the TV watching reality shows.
        Just like Fahrenheit 451by Bradbury.

        • Mockingbird

          He could still be a decent human being.

      • Supper Powers

        I don’t care who the bastard votes for. The bastard is a bastard.

        • Mockingbird

          No arguments here.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      If you are ever in need of assistance IRL, please remember the Bunker secret signal so we will know to send help.

      • Supper Powers

        I’m good! Thank you. Broke an axle. Which I guess is a necessary piece to go forward. 🙂

        • Juicer77

          changed comment, I see your Human Support and Feline Accompaniment team made it. 🙂

    • 🙁
      Range Rover or Mini?

      • Supper Powers

        Neither. I good cross country vehicle usually. Turns out an axle broke. Oops.

  • Rasha

    Just a browse-by “Hi”. Just got back from an Odyssey cruise in Boston Harbor. Some dancin’, some drinkin’. Very need sleep. Quite Monday. *shnuggle*

    • Flying High

      Great and sounds like you had a great time! Weather is finally getting nicer up North.

      • Rasha

        Perfect weather and a gorgeous sunset over the Boston skyline….. om nom nom nom…..

    • Juicer77

      Much snooze. Very rest.

  • Jimmy3

    Nat now has a pristine 10,000 comment count and she would like to preserve it. From now on, I will be making all comments on her behalf. Thank you.

    • Rasha

      So, Nat. Explain your views on the decline in support for the Saturnalia….

      • Jimmy3

        Nat: I am too much of a poopyhead to know what you mean. Plus I am busy making Jimmy a sammich.

        • Rasha

          …so you think Aristotelian logic is, when applied to modern stoicism, merely a zwischenzug, designed to forestall the inevitable collapse of Laurentian peristalsis?

          • Jimmy3

            Nat: I like green crayons but not blue ones. Blue taste funny like.

            • Rasha

              Thank you, Nat. Jimmy Tres could learn a thing or two from you. You are wise and stuff. Rasha is going to sleep now, with one foot on the floor to keep it from moving. Silly boats.

            • Jimmy3

              Nat: Boats are like cars for water

            • Nat-leficent

              Stop making me sound studip! Dammnit! 10,001!

            • Flying High

              LOL, I knew that one was coming or shall I say erupting!

            • Jimmy3

              Hah. Now you look even studiper!

            • Rasha

              (stops… looks left… then right… sways….. laughs hysterically….. )

              ..”night, Bunksh…..”

            • Juicer77

              XD

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Boat?

            • Rasha

              Dinner cruise on Boston Harbor. Drink, food, dance, drink, friends, drink, and drink.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sweet!

            • Rasha

              Yup. (collapses…. zzzzzzzzzz)

            • Juicer77

              *leaves a big bottle of water and three Tylenol on the bedside table*

            • Nat-leficent

              Oh, I thought maybe you were Simone Giertz
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27wnFWAfh8

            • Rasha

              +47 for the lamp. Just sayin’.

            • Nat-leficent

              She also builds robots 😀 She is my hero

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcW70-6eQcY

            • Rasha

              I will look her up. Tomorrow. When the font is in focus. I will collapse now. <3

            • Rasha

              Boat plus wood-burning stove. I love this girl.

            • So not a boat. More like a bottle.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Perhaps a boat in a bottle?

          • Whenever I get the Larrys, I try a glass of Galeffi antacid. Peristalsis is gone in a flash.

    • Baby

      I think you and Nat.. should just end it all and get married and have 4 leaf clovers.. You have been flirting with each other for years.. Jeeze..

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Pffft, don’t get Nat started.

        • Baby

          hahahhaa

      • Jimmy3

        We should end it all and get married? Worst reception ever.

        • Rasha

          Yeah, but you save on flowers…

          • Jimmy3

            That was good. Costanza worthy, even.

            • Rasha

              *blush*

        • Baby

          Oh you are wrong.. BEST RECEPTION EVAH..

          Worst Marriages .. Yes..

      • Nat-leficent

        He flirts with EVERYTHING.

      • Supper Powers

        ^^^^^^^

  • Baby

    WTF It wasn’t working now it is.. It’s good.

    • Baby

      I have no idea what’s going on. disqus is loosing it.

      • Rasha

        Vuja de. XD

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You suck at this.

        • Baby

          haha.. I was going to say something vulgar, but I’m trying to clean up my image.. xo

          WTH is going on around here.. Damn .. Do I have to do everything myself?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            “Was it your plan to be defeated by an orange mannequin?”

            • Baby

              What in God’s name are you talkin bout Willis?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Did you watch the video you posted? It’s a line in there.

            • Baby

              Half of it..hahaha

          • Flying High

            Do I have to do everything myself? – LOL – This was indeed the theme of last Friday’s Regraded Being post by Mike. Totally funny!

          • I’ll help. I have extra electrons now.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    In Ross & Carrie’s latest podcast, in the last few minutes, Carrie quizzes Ross about various quotes and whether they were said by Hubbard or by Charles Manson. One of the ones Ross gets wrong is: whatever (or maybe it was whomever) you shun has won.” Ross guesses Manson, but it was authored by Hubbard. May it be so!

  • I am Captain President. Ask me anything.

    • Snippy_X

      Who’s going to win the Belmont?

      • Good question. Answer is pending.

        • pat k

          Eddie O!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Dear Captain President,

      We in RTC have a friend whose father has written a horrible and untrue book about him. Our friend is the world’s greatest humanitarian and this is all so unfair.

      What should our friend do?

      ML,

      RTC

      • noseinabk

        Please excuse my impertinence in making a suggestion before Captain President has answered. I would suggest that this “friend” may want to set up a gofundme page and entice his millions of followers to contribute to a billboard fund and ad campaign that is sure to only take 5 or ten years to complete.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Our friend has absolutely no understanding of what the internet is or how it works.

          We have told him that the internet is a television set connected to a typewriter.

          But then he said television-typewriters are illegal because LRH said we have to use telexes.

          He has therefore ordered us to raise money in a GoFundMe Telex campaign.

      • Your friend should jump in a lake while fully dressed or otherwise, to show them.

      • Baby

        Dear RTC

        Allow me to suggest with just one word.

        COUP..All of you.. He’s 5’1″ .. That is all.

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        Oh really? Someone in the RTC has a friend. You need to get over that rubbish right now buster.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Where’s Shelly?

    • Nat-leficent

      How do you get a marriage proposal from ground cover?

    • Excuse my interruption, Your Magnificence, but are you Captiain President-for-Life, or is this an elected post with a term limit?

      • Nat-leficent

        He has ten more minutes XD

    • Newiga

      How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Good morning! Up early?

        What does the fox say?

        • Newiga

          Yup. I was getting ready for work.

      • Baby

        Hi weigie..

        • Newiga

          Hi Baby! I seemed to have missed you this morning. I was already late for work and yet I had to pop in and joke around. 😀 😛

    • edge

      If you’re Captain, is Tom Cruise your first mate?

  • MaxSpaceman

    Posted on Alternet .org

    Originally on Salon .com

    A hard rain’s gonna fall.

  • Strangely, no one seemed too excited about maxing credit cards to buy property, leaving everything to Scientology on their “passport”, dying, and picking it up in the next life.

    From: “PETER WAEGER”
    To:
    Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:27 AM
    Subject: [itheta-talk] “You can’t take it with you….”

    Hello Everybody,

    Boy, Doug Crowder really started something. It goes to show how much charge people still have on the subject.

    Over the weekend I talked to my reg at CCI, that’s Celebrity Center International in Hollywood, California. She was totally flat on the subject as SO people on the OT levels usually are.

    All that any Scientologist needs to do is get their passport with their passport number. Next time around, a meter interview will discover your passport number, and whatever you had left on account is yours for the services. It’s all been worked out, so what’s the problem?

    I can see a rather beneficial viewpoint emerging from this arrangement. First of all, it is ok to flourish and prosper even to the point of having something left over when it’s time to check out, because we can get the
    benefit of it the next time around.

    I sometimes get this viewpoint from Scientologists that there is something wrong with owning and acquiring MEST. If this pursuit takes up all of ones energy to where there is none left for enhancements, then yes, we could even apply the admonition from the Good Book, “For what doth it profit a man who gains the whole world, but loses his own soul.” Something like this, anyway.

    The irony is that just about anyone could have some investments going on the side that will grow substantially with time, and when the time comes, they could be converted into money to put on account. These investments could be started with very little money and would pay for themselves with just a little handling.

    For instance, with $1,000 charged to a credit card, someone could acquire $250,000 worth of real estate that would pay for itself, give the owner a free place to live, and still increase at the rate of 12.5% a year. That means that in 5.75 years the real estate would have doubled in value. I’ll stop here, and not take it any further, as to most people all of this seems too incredible.

    In the will it can be specified that when the owner drops his/her body the real estate will be sold and the proceeds will be put on the owner’s account at the church. Depending on how long the owner kept the real estate, he/she could have a sizable account, i.e. in 5.75 years $250,000 in about 12 years $500,000, etc. Even with rather moderate market appreciation I have seen $80,000 worth of real estate appreciate to $800,000 in twenty years. And if you don’t believe me, I can show you the real estate.

    Conclusion, if you want to have your upper OT levels paid for the next time around, and who knows what levels will be released by that time, start something on the side now. Time will work in your favor for a change. Since the cost of services are likely to increase over time to keep up with inflation, your money on account will not lose in value, but stay right in step with the prevailing inflation.

    So, if you “really” want to plan ahead, you know who to get in comm with.

    May your future bridge be paid for.

    ARC Peter Waeger

    itheta-talk was a private Scientologist discussion group.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I love it let me start a special invest house for trans lifttime investing.

      Also, what a great way to get money into the COS. Oh, hey bill the new be your last lifetime was Jack NeverSpend. Since your an SO you don’t need any of that money right?? How about a big donation to CoS!

      • The Whole Track Collection Agency wants to talk to you about those credit card debts.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          What are words that make clams shit bricks?

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        If I invest in trans lifetime investments, which toilet do I use? I’m so confused.

    • Supper Powers

      I found my new personal investment banker! Woo hoo!

    • Juicer77

      What the what?!?

    • Scream Nevermore

      As they say in my city: ‘Getyerseltaefuck!’

    • OOkpik

      I can’t…this is tooo much!

    • FredEX2

      Unbelievable! What utter scam. That people are brainwashed to give everything to CoS, including sign over their own real estate…is unreal. For the future use when they come back in the next lifetime. Wow! Puts a whole other spin on the Pyramid scheme.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Amazing photo Tony. Am in awe that your technical photographic prowess.

  • Sarah James

    Today I needed medical help, at a hospital, and that’s just what I got. No ” Dr. Hubbard” BS. Somehow this day of all days seems fitting.
    Oh and I might have become a fan of the drugs Versed and fentanyl. Dianetics, you can shove your supplements and vit. C.

    • Baby

      Sarah I’m sorry to hear that.. Are you OK?

      • Sarah James

        No worries, I feel great! They ( real Dr. And real nurse) took very good care of me.:-)

        • Baby

          Good honey..

    • Juicer77

      Ouch! I hope you’re doing better now! Those are some serious meds.

      • Sarah James

        I feel great. I thanked the nurse for taking such good care of me.

  • Scream Nevermore

    Chaps, Louis Theroux did a webchat yesterday and was asked if his Scientology film will ever go on release in cinemas in the UK. His answer: ‘ It’s coming later this year to cinemas near you. We made a deal with a
    company called Altitude who released Amy, so it’s all very exciting.’ Woot!

  • 9001

    It seems that Farrakan has had the Diahretics “recovered” memories too. He says his mother tried to abort him 3 times with a coathanger! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkxFqhSLYaU

    • Can’t wait to see the power struggle when he passes away.
      And cool channel.

  • “The common practice of Hubbard is to change the names of hypnotic
    phenomena to names of his own invention, purporting thereby to change the nature
    and significance of such phenomena. Thus, a form of unconsciousness experienced
    in hypnosis he has renamed variously ” anaten “, ” boil-off”, and ” dope-off ” ;
    hypnotic hallucinations he has called ” mental image pictures” ; and ”
    dissociation ” he has called ” exteriorization “”
    The Anderson Report
    http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist1.htm

  • Ruidozo

    I just want to say Thank God there is Tony, you got balls KID!!! I wonder how it was for you years before the internet, because it occur to me that you are one of the very few journalists that have reported the abuse that this church has executed over the years,

    • salin

      Welcome to the commenting side of the Underground Bunker. Hope you will continue to join the conversation.

  • Lighthouse

    I’m shocked and don’t know what to say about the Dianetics passage. I can’t say that I remember reading this but then I didn’t finish the book, stopped reading about two thirds of the way through. Or was it a matter of “none so blind as those who do not wish to see!”

    Tony, your description of him being a noxious creep is spot on. Thanks for sharing this. I’ve got a couple of people who need to see it and surely it’ll remove all doubt from their minds as to just how noxious he was.

    This passage should go public, I mean, it should be given to the media, with page number. Give it to Lisa Presley. I’m sure she’ll know how to make it work! Minimally, it should go viral.

    • Dave Reams

      I can’t find my English paperback copy of Dianetics, but roughly translating from a ©1986 Danish version:

      Chapter 8 – some types of engrams […] Pre-survival Engram … The mother says “Ohhhh! It’s wonderful. Ohhhhh! So wonderful! Do it again! ” And the father says “Ohhhhhhhh! you are so beautiful! You are so wonderful! A-a-a-ah!” The mother’s orgasm shakes the baby’s uncounsciousness. The mother says “you’re wonderful” and the father answers “get up now!” which means she should douche her vagina (she doesn’t know she’s pregnant)”

      Chapter 9 – types of chains …
      Intercourse … 2 types, father sober, father drunk.
      Passionate lover … pain due to lovers passion
      Constipation
      Douching
      Masturbation … Mother masturbates with fingers violently and shakes fetus with orgasm

      • salin

        So bizarre – have to assume that few have read the book closely. Appreciate the ‘finds’ of the extreme absurd situations Long Ron Con wrote as being ‘common’ situations.

      • Lighthouse

        Yip, it was all there for all of us to see. None so blind as those who do not wish to see?

        He comes across as a pervert.

        • Dave Reams

          Funny, in every copy of Dianetics I have ever browsed in an org the books fell open to those very pages … lucky thing too because they were stuck together and you didn’t want to touch them!

  • Little David

    I think this days blog is one of the best and most damaging to Scientology that Tony has written. I think S. I. Hayakawa if he were still alive would be pleased to read it:

    “The lure of the pseudoscientific vocabulary and promises of dianetics cannot but condemn thousands who are beginning to emerge from scientific illiteracy to a continuation of their susceptibility to word-magic and semantic hash.”

    S.I. HAYAKAWA 1951

  • What it look like

    Pretty soon (if now already) the anti-Scientology anthology will be bigger than all the work ever done by Hubbard.