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Jon Atack quizzes Mike Rinder: Scientology’s former spy chief on L. Ron Hubbard’s paranoia

 
Hey, this is fun. Jon Atack, the legendary author of ‘A Piece of Blue Sky’ and a major presence here at the Underground Bunker, has a conversation with former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder about the formerly secret documents that underlie Scientology’s spying and dirty tricks operations.

Mike is right to emphasize these documents. Sometimes we find that people don’t fully grasp that the way Scientology viciously and persistently attacks people it considers enemies is at the heart of this organization and is an unchangeable central part of its nature.

Here’s the video, and below we’ll include the text of a document that Mike refers to.

 

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Confidential

28 March 1972

CS-G Hat
GOWW Hat
D/G Hats
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Bu of Info

COUNTER ATTACK TACTICS

PRINCIPLE: When PR and Legal find themselves engaged in handling attacks, Intelligence has failed.

SITUATION: Those who attack Scientology as proven by Oxford Capacity Analysis graphs, criminal or shady record, personal lives etc., are provenly suppressive. When such people, as is currently common, ascend into the heights of governments or public or private organizations, or the press, they are able to exert the fullest dramatization against anything which might benefit others and usually do. Being suppressive (a kind word for insane) their aims are
destructive.

This is not limited to their fancied enemies. They are destructive to themselves and their own government or institution.

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This is well known to us. But there IS a situation in it which has not been solved.

WHEN YOU THREATEN TO UPSET THINGS WITH A COUNTERATTACK THIS IS PLEASING TO SUCH PEOPLE AND THEY GO ON ATTACKING AS THEY WANT THEIR OWN GOVT OR INSTITUTION ACTIVITY ATTACKED.

In other words, one plays into their hands. They WANT riot and civil commotion.

Also, by the laws of insanity (see HCO B 29 Nov 70, C/S Series 22, PSYCHOSIS) they also want themselves destroyed.

This is also known as “being selected as somebody’s executioner.”

The more you attack, the more such people goad one.

This is the true principle behind Clausewitz’s “laws of war” in which attack gets counterattack.

Such people are suicidal.

Investigation discloses, for instance, that certain persons in the US govt continually alienate OPINION LEADERS so they attack the govt. Upward of 2000 army sergeants in Defense Intelligence were engaged in just this in recent years.

IRS picks a celebrity a year to attack and degrade “as an example”.

The powers that be sometimes remove such persons. Robinson, Minister of Health, Goodrich, former FDA chief amongst others were removed by other seniors at Scientology insistence but they themselves left on post would have gone on attacking harder and harder until the resulting counter-commotion had practically destroyed their agencies.

WHY: An attacker who is attacking out of his own dramatization will go on attacking until his government or agency is destroyed by the counterattack because he is generally destructive.

STATS: The UK attacks tapered off and successful recovery was begun when Robinson was removed. The FDA agency attack began to cool down when Goodrich was forced to resign. The AMA attack apparently continues via various channels and nobody has been removed.

IDEAL SCENE: (For Information Bureau) Attackers against Scientology located and removed from their positions of power so that Scientology can get on with it. And any threat of attack restrained, leaving Scientology a clear field.

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HANDLING:

BRIGHT IDEA:

1. These persons can always lose their jobs. These jobs, permitting them power to destroy, are valuable to them. This is A POINT OF VULNERABILITY.

2. If the person’s job is also not valuable to him or if he cannot be made to cost his job, something can be found which he is seeking to protect and it can be threatened.

EVOLVED OPERATING PRINCIPLES:

A. COUNTER ATTACK TO OBTAIN THE REMOVAL OF THE PERSON with a product of DISMISSED ATTACKER.

B. If on test, A is not feasible, SURVEY TO FIND WHAT THE PERSON CONSIDERS VALUABLE AND USE IT FOR RESTRAINT.

C. AVOID WHERE POSSIBLE THE COMMOTION AND WASTED ENERGY OF PARALLELING AN ATTACKER’S OWN EVIL PURPOSE OF DESTROYING HIS OWN GOVT, AGENCY OR INSTITUTION AND INSTEAD DISCOVER THE ATTACKER AND OPERATE TO COST HIM HIS JOB.

D. Where A and C fail, use B.

PLAN:

(a) Wherever an attack is in progress (and even when being held off by counter-propaganda from PR or actions from Legal) at once swiftly draw up a precise program using Intelligence principles and cross filing to isolate the attacker.

(b) Identify the instigator.

(c) When identified or even suspected as the instigator, draw up a project which includes at least three channels to cost him his job.

(d) Draw up a second project at once to survey and discover what the person really is defending and threaten it effectively.

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(e) Execute the projects rapidly.

(f) On achieving success inform PR so that PR can call off the PR counterattack and capitalize on any information gained if it does not expose Intelligence.

(g) Inform legal so Legal can replan and utilize the information also gained to mop up.

NOTE: Intelligence in these regards is not feeding PR and Legal as the only fruit of its endeavors. It is OPERATING INDEPENDENTLY of these two functions with ITS OWN PRODUCT: I.E. A DISMISSED ATTACKER or its secondary product: a totally restrained and muzzled attacker.

Note: A small unit operating with superior technology can triumph over the most gigantic but vulnerable enemy and render him pleasant.

 
Oh, and for the record, when Atack asked us for a suggestion of what to ask Mike, we did suggest something and since he didn’t ask it, we’ll wait for an opportunity to ask Mike himself. (Funny joke though, Jon!)

 
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Source Code

“We understand God because of the Devil; we understand this, we understand that. These are double data. The basic unit of the universe is two, not one. And we suddenly announce, ‘Theta has as its potentiality the location of matter and energy in space and time, and can, as well, create space and time.’ Well, once we say that, and the same time we say it has no wavelength, it — boy, we’re really describing a beast here. This thing couldn’t possibly have any position in the real universe. And sure enough, it doesn’t.” — L. Ron Hubbard, November 14, 1956

 
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Overheard in the FreeZone

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“I’ve been out of prison now for a week and it’s good to be back! The time I did was good too. I got to sleep in nearly every day and I read and watched a lot of things. It was quite an interesting holiday of sorts. I even got to have some scary experiences around crims which is great character and confidence building. Victoria’s lefty prisons are like summer camps. The powers that be like the crims because they make money off ‘punishing them and use their bad behaviour as an excuse to expand the police state’s power. The sentence I got was an absolute joke. The lefty justice system and Vic police just wanted an excuse to lock me up because I dared challenge their communist feminist agenda.”

 
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Past is Prologue

1997: Ray Randolph received email from Cartoonist Jim Berry, who was a target of Scientology for some of his cartoons about Scientology. “The subject of Scientology brought back upsetting memories. Years ago a reader sent me an article about Scientology that appeared in a northern Florida newspaper (Tallahassee?). It was about how the ‘church’ operated with respect to dealing with the people on their ‘enemies list.’ It seems I did one or two cartoons that they didn’t like. In the piece there was reference to ‘Operation Berry’s World,’ or some such title. It told about the leader of the church of Scientology urging all of its members to write and call newspapers across the country and complain about my feature — telling editors and publishers to drop ‘Berry’s World.’ This was an organized effort to kill my career and I had no idea that it was happening. It’s a wonder my feature survived the onslaught. I decline to write anything further about this subject.”

 
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Random Howdy

“Hubbard had it wrong from the very beginning. Man is an animal and nothing more. Detachment from the material world is one of the main reasons humanity is destroying the material world. Spiritualism is our get out of jail free card.”

 
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Full Court Press: What we’re watching at the Underground Bunker

Criminal prosecutions:
Danny Masterson charged for raping three women: Masterson’s demurrer denied Oct 19, arraignment delayed to Jan 6.
Jay and Jeff Spina, Medicare fraud: Jay’s sentencing delayed for ‘Fatico’ hearing in January.
Hanan and Rizza Islam and other family members, Medi-Cal fraud: Next pretrial conference set for Jan 12 in Los Angeles

Civil litigation:
Luis and Rocio Garcia v. Scientology: Oral arguments were heard on July 30 at the Eleventh Circuit
Valerie Haney v. Scientology: Forced to ‘religious arbitration.’ Petition for writ of mandate denied Oct 22 by Cal 2nd Appellate District. Petition for review by state supreme court filed Oct 30.
Chrissie Bixler et al. v. Scientology and Danny Masterson: Nov 6, motions to compel arbitration, awaiting ruling; Jan 29, Masterson’s request to stay discovery pending the criminal case
Matt and Kathy Feschbach tax debt: Eleventh Circuit ruled on Sept 9 that Feshbachs can’t discharge IRS debt in bankruptcy. Oct 19: Feshbachs still considering further appellate relief.
Brian Statler Sr v. City of Inglewood: Second amended complaint filed, trial set for Nov 9, 2021.
Author Steve Cannane defamation trial: Trial concluded, awaiting verdict.

Concluded litigation:
Dennis Nobbe, Medicare fraud, PPP loan fraud: Charged July 29. Bond revoked Sep 14. Nobbe dead, Sep 14.
Jane Doe v. Scientology (in Miami): Jane Doe dismissed the lawsuit on May 15 after the Clearwater Police dropped their criminal investigation of her allegations.

 
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SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Tom Cruise and dirty tricks

The Australian Seven News network cancelled a 10-part investigation of Scientology and its history of dirty tricks. Read the transcripts of the episodes and judge for yourself why Tom Cruise and Tommy Davis might not have wanted viewers to see this hard-hitting series by journalist Bryan Seymour.

SCIENTOLOGY: FAIR GAME

After the success of their double-Emmy-winning, three-season A&E series ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Leah Remini and Mike Rinder continue the conversation on their podcast, ‘Scientology: Fair Game.’ We’ve created a landing page where you can hear all of the episodes so far.

LEAH REMINI: SCIENTOLOGY AND THE AFTERMATH

An episode-by-episode guide to Leah Remini’s three-season, double-Emmy winning series that changed everything for Scientology watching. Originally aired from 2016 to 2019 on the A&E network, and coming November 1 to Netflix.

SCIENTOLOGY’S CELEBRITIES, from A to Z

Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!

 
Other links: Scientology’s Ideal Orgs, from one end of the planet to the other. Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society. Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in a weekly series. How many have you read?

 
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THE WHOLE TRACK

[ONE year ago] Scientology’s David Miscavige served again: This time in a sick case alleging child abuse
[TWO years ago] Records of Scientology leader David Miscavige’s speeding tickets contain a small surprise
[THREE years ago] Tonight on ‘Leah Remini’: L. Ron Hubbard gets the Russell Miller treatment
[FOUR years ago] At an early age, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard learned how to captivate the press
[FIVE years ago] Jeffrey Augustine: Just a friendly reminder — Scientology prices are outrageous
[SIX years ago] Classic Scientology shenanigans as class action lawsuit is filed against legal opponent NAFC
[SEVEN years ago] Jefferson Hawkins Drops In To See What Condition Our Scientology Condition Is In
[EIGHT years ago] Lawrence Wright’s Book on Scientology — Going Clear — Hits Bookstores January 17
[NINE years ago] Scientology’s Sales Pitch: “Pure and Simple Blackmail”

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley (1952-2019) did not see his daughter Stephanie in his final 5,667 days.
Valerie Haney has not seen her mother Lynne in 2,120 days.
Katrina Reyes has not seen her mother Yelena in 2,624 days
Sylvia Wagner DeWall has not seen her brother Randy in 2,144 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his grandson Leo in 1,164 days.
Geoff Levin has not seen his son Collin and daughter Savannah in 1,055 days.
Christie Collbran has not seen her mother Liz King in 4,362 days.
Clarissa Adams has not seen her parents Walter and Irmin Huber in 2,230 days.
Carol Nyburg has not seen her daughter Nancy in 3,004 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 3,808 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 3,124 days.
Dylan Gill has not seen his father Russell in 11,690 days.
Melissa Paris has not seen her father Jean-Francois in 7,609 days.
Valeska Paris has not seen her brother Raphael in 3,777 days.
Mirriam Francis has not seen her brother Ben in 3,358 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 3,619 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 2,657 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy and daughter Jessica in 2,370 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 1,895 days.
Julian Wain has not seen his brother Joseph or mother Susan in 250 days.
Charley Updegrove has not seen his son Toby in 1,425 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 5,976 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 3,125 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 3,445 days.
Roger Weller has not seen his daughter Alyssa in 8,300 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 3,419 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 1,775 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin and daughter Taryn in 6,078 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 2,184 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis in 2,586 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 2,458 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 2,041 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike and daughter Emily in 2,536 days.
Mary Jane Barry has not seen her daughter Samantha in 2,790 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 13,899 days.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 14, 2020 at 07:00

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