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After Steve Cannane’s big year writing about Scientology, we hit him up for a look back

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Earlier this year, London-based Australian journalist Steve Cannane published a terrific new book on Scientology titled Fair Game. We asked him for a year-end message and he sent us this…

Tony has asked me to write about my experience of having a book come out in 2016, but I’m ignoring the editor, and instead of focusing on myself, I want to pay tribute to the people who allow journalists to report on Scientology – the whistleblowers.

The cult of Scientology relies on secrets to maintain its control. Every time a former member speaks out or an insider leaks information it’s a hammer blow to the organization. Scientology relies on a combination of deception and ignorance to hoodwink newcomers. Each time an ex-member speaks out they help inoculate the next generation from being recruited into Scientology.

I doubt I would ever have reported on Scientology if it were not for two brave women I was introduced to in 2010 – Scarlett Hanna and Carmen Rainer. Scarlett told me what it was like to grow up as a child in the Sea Org. Carmen told her story about Scientology officials covering up the sexual abuse she suffered as a child at the hands of her Scientologist stepfather. The courage of these two women opened my eyes to what was going on inside a secret organization I knew little about. They did so at great personal risk. Scarlett is the daughter of the head of Scientology in Australia, Vicki Dunstan. She risked never speaking to her parents again. Carmen was taking on some very powerful people by exposing her story.

It takes incredible courage for ex-members to speak out about Scientology. Firstly, it takes great courage to leave, to risk disconnection, to walk away from what has been drummed into you is the key to your immortality. To then speak out is a further leap into the unknown. Many ex-Sea Org members suffer from post-traumatic stress and to speak out is to relive those traumatic events. Others feel shame for not leaving earlier or for what they might have done inside. Then there is the risk that you are making yourself a target by telling your story. As we all know those risks can be real.

One of the great thrills for me this year was helping to tell the stories of Terri Gamboa, Janis Grady, Eric Kleitsch and Jose Navarro – former Sea Org members who had not gone public with their stories previously. Jose had been transported from the Freewinds to the RPF in Sydney for the “crime” of falling in love with woman he was told he could not have a relationship with. It was an example of Scientology treating Australia like a penal colony. Eric was on the RPF in Sydney for extraordinary 12 years. Most of you know of Terri and Janis – the daughters of Yvonne Gillham, the founder of the Celebrity Centre. The sisters had been two of Hubbard’s original messengers and rose to very senior positions in Scientology.

So as we head into 2017, I’m raising a glass to Jose, Eric, Terri, and Janis and all the other whistleblowers who have over the years had the courage to stand up to an authoritarian organization no matter the consequences. Let’s hope we hear more from others like them in 2017.

 
— Steve Cannane

 
And how. We obviously couldn’t keep this website going without the bravery of whistleblowers and researchers and tipsters. In the comments, let us know which of the people who brought Scientology’s secrets into the open are the ones you admire most.

 
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Our Scientology year-in-review: August

We’re continuing our look back at the year of 2016 here in the Underground Bunker, and today we’re looking at the stories we published in August.

The month started out with our account of what it was like trying to cover the opening of Scientology’s newest “Ideal Org” — in Harlem. The church did its best to keep us far away from the festivities, but we managed to find a local business that had defied Scientology’s request to shut down for the day, and they let us use their lobby as a refuge. Oh, how that seemed to drive Scientology’s security force into a tizzy! It’s almost as if Scientology had a lot to hide from reporters.

The next day, we had a great surprise for our readers, thanks to hard work by our researchers — we’d tracked down Scientology’s most notorious former dirty tricks private investigator, Eugene Ingram. These days, Gene is running a bar in Cabo San Lucas, where he appears to be the life of the party. Doing Scientology’s dirty work must pay very, very well.

Thanks to one of our tipsters in Italy, we got a mid-year update on which of Scientology’s “whales” was turning in the biggest donations. And we also reported on the latest vanity purchase from the biggest Scientology donors of them all, California couple Bob and Trish Duggan, who spent several million to buy a tract of land known as “Holy City.” The site of a former white supremacist cult, Holy City today is mostly a ghost town. But what are the Duggans going to do with it, and will it somehow benefit their pal David Miscavige?

On August 11, we posted a previously unpublished photo of L. Ron Hubbard’s daughter Diana that was taken in Amsterdam in 1982. Scientology has done its best to erase all of Hubbard’s wives and children from church publications and history, but we were happy to find this record of Diana, who remains the last Hubbard family member still in Scientology.

A few days later we had another update on an Underground Bunker favorite — former Scientology mouthpiece Tommy Davis. Earlier, we’d broken the news that Tommy’s new job is working for Australian billionaire James Packer, who spent some time in Scientology, where he and Tommy got to know each other. Packer made Tommy the general manager of his family business in the US, which includes helping to run RatPac Entertainment funding movie projects in Hollywood. Now, some photos had surfaced of Tommy enjoying himself as a new player in Hollywood.

One of our researchers helps us by sifting through old newspaper archives, looking for items that others have missed. In this case, he found a really significant 1968 Daily Mail investigation that tracked down L. Ron Hubbard in Tunisia. For our purposes, it was the first confirmation we had that Hubbard publicly acknowledged that he’d written about his claims to have visited “heaven” some 43 trillion years ago, and then a second time 42 trillion years ago. He found it rather shabby.

On August 19 the website Gawker was shuttered, and we wanted to make sure its passing didn’t happen without reciting its role in the online squabble over a 2004 video of a Tom Cruise interview that was meant only for internal consumption in the Church of Scientology. That 2004 tape surfaced four years later, in January 2008, and Gawker helped to assure that it wouldn’t be pulled down despite the best efforts of Scientology’s attorneys.

It was also in August that the dust had settled from the summer’s two political conventions, and the ticket for US president was set for a battle between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. For months we’d been seeing comparisons between Trump and L. Ron Hubbard, and between Trump’s followers and members of the Church of Scientology. But we pointed out that Trump really had no connection to Scientology that mattered, and the one with the heavy Scientology baggage was really Clinton. It was her husband, Bill, whose time in the White House was the friendliest to the church of any U.S. president. It was Bill Clinton who signed off on the IRS granting tax-exempt status to Scientology in 1993, and Clinton’s State Department went to bat for Scientology in Germany, where a government crackdown was happening. Would Hillary prove to be as friendly to the church? Well, she never got the chance. Hell, who knows, maybe a Trump administration will actually be interested in taking a hard look at Scientology.

Normally, we don’t pay a lot of attention to what the National Enquirer says about Scientology, but this time we made an exception. The paper took a bizarre shot at David Miscavige’s older brother, and the story appeared to have been cribbed from Scientology’s own attack website that tries to harm the reputation of David’s father, Ron Miscavige, and his 2016 memoir, Ruthless. Had David Miscavige fed the paper the story? If so, it was another Miscavige foot-bullet, as the newspaper referred to a “hooker orgy” and made it look like David was as involved as his brother. Bizarre.

As the election neared, we got another tip about it, this time about a Scientologist who had quietly put himself on the ballot to run for city councilman in Orange County. A little digging showed that he was not only a church member, but he had actually worked as a Scientology goon and enforcer. He ended up losing his race.

And finally, we finished August with some bad news for Vance Woodward, who lost a court appeal and now owes the church $90,000 in fees. It was Woodward who had helped us with one of our favorite projects — blogging ‘Dianetics’ from cover to cover — and we’ll be rooting for him as he looks for another way to turn his legal fortunes around.

A LOOK BACK AT AUGUST 2015: Steve Fishman, of the famous Fishman Papers, is doing serious time for a bizarre crime. Tom Cruise gave a speech in Spanish, and turned up at a Scientology org in Colombia. And Paulette Cooper had an amazing encounter in Europe.

A LOOK BACK AT AUGUST 2014: We remembered Denise Brennan on the occasion of her passing. Mary Sue Hubbard’s house finally went up for sale, as we had predicted. And Kim Poff and Michael DeLong filed lawsuits over the troubling behavior of Oklahoma state officials who were too afraid to take on Scientology.

A LOOK BACK AT AUGUST 2013: Leah Remini filed a missing-person report on Shelly Miscavige, PZ Myers read A History of Man with us, Gerry Armstrong helped us tell his tale, and Monique Rathbun filed her harassment lawsuit.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

A tweet from last night that should reverberate around Hollywood. Hey, Judd, looking for movie material? We know about a certain woman named Paulette you ought to hear about…

 
Newlyweds Joy and Thorsten with their “minister,” Monica Agami and her husband David. It’s another member of the Agami family, Moises, who is building the super double penthouse for Tom Cruise in Clearwater. Are Joy and Thorsten, the ultimate Scientology climbers, angling to become part of Tom’s entourage? Of course they are.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on December 28, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Jimmy3

    Yuilya Keaton and all the good people at the Tamcam Corporation

    • Sherbet

      You nut!

      • Jimmy3

        Sometimes you feel like a nut

    • flyonthewall

      first I thought this was some kind of Family Ties reference

    • Ben Franklin

      Something had to be done about it as per OTVIIIGrrr8

      https://otviiiisgrrr8.com/tag/yulia-keaton/

    • daisy

      LOL – seriously you are not hooked up right and that is ME saying that.

      • Jimmy3

        My parents lost the struction book and did the best they could ok

        • daisy

          They must have been drunk circus clowns.

          • Jimmy3

            They didn’t work at the circus you jerk

            • I worked in a circus once. They used to shoot me out of one of those canons. After I left they could never find another man of my caliber.

            • daisy

              You are so gun-ho about your puns.

            • What poor Willie has to put up with daily.

            • daisy

              Oh now I know why that failed the term is * gung * ho and oh it was just not that funny.

            • Sherbet

              Don’t worry. I think rasha is teaching a seminar in comedy.

            • daisy

              Oh thank Rabbit , I get cocky every now and then and think I can hang out with the bunker JD . I hope she covers italics too.

            • Sherbet

              She leaves me in the dust.

            • gtsix

              No no, it was. I chuckled.

              (that’ll be 12 thetabux please)

            • daisy

              In the mail.

            • Ella Raitch

              I bet she has a perfect eyeroll!

            • Before I’m halfway through a sentence. She knows it’s coming.

            • Sherbet

              Is it possible to groan and laugh at the same time?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Did you quit, or were you fired?

            • Sherbet

              HAHAHA!

            • daisy

              genius joke

            • Best comeback,,, ever.

            • TheLurkingHorror

              Comedy gold! When are y’all going to take your show on the road. 🙂

            • What’sup

              Dad jokes with Sid……..i love it!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    “In the comments, let us know which of the people who brought Scientology’s secrets into the open are the ones you admire most.”. Tony Ortega, Paulette Cooper, Mike Rinder, Marc Headley, Laura DeCrescenzo, and every single person, including those who were never in, who had the courage to speak out.

    Edit: I am adding Monique Rathbun. Regardless of her decision to end her litigation, it took tremendous courage for a person who was never a member of scientology to endure the overwhelming harrassment by the “church,” and to file a lawsuit against Miascavige et al.

  • nottrue
    • Frodis73

      I feel bad for laughing at this. Anybody know where Sally Field is? She okay?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        How’s the puppy?

      • Liberated

        I saw her on Chelsea Handler a few weeks ago…I think she’s fine, but that was a few weeks ago.

  • Richard

    This must make DM very jealous:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38454307

  • chukicita

    OT: Compare and contrast information gleaned today from sitegur. Talk amongst yourselves; I’m veklempt.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc46bcd7589a08c2363f39ca581fdff8304827beb82b34b075e01e0ffae3a7ee.jpg

    Edit: If you can’t see it, it shows the estimated value of Scientology dot org based on traffic: $23,472
    Estimated value of the Bunker: $23,976

    The fringes of the Intertubes are worth more than the fastest-cooling religion in the galAXy!

  • Username

    Love Judd Apatow. He was one of the first people to speak out against Bill Cosby. Hollywood needs more people like him. Bravo!

  • chukicita

    Our own Rod Keller has been around enturbulatin’ since at at least the Third Invasion Force.

  • Vaquera

    Joy’s pic…. “I’ve gotta use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her him.”

    • kemist

      I thought the same, except substitute “Tic Tacs” with “Xanax”

  • https://www.yahoo.com/movies/british-doc-maker-talks-scientologys-roaming-eye-sauron-135000150.html

    There was, however, one strange incident that occurred toward the start of 2016.

    “I was contacted by the police who said they had received a warning from the Church in the U.K. claiming that one of its members had seen the film, didn’t like it and wanted to harm me in some way,” he says, adding that the Church was “apparently worried I’d get hurt.”

    Nothing ever happened, although Theroux wonders why any Scientologist who wanted to take matters into their own hands wouldn’t just go straight to the intended target, and suggests it was simply the Church trying to “unsettle” him.

    Maybe it was JAW? 😛

    They’ve tried it that in Toronto to request pickets not be in front of the org, because “they couldn’t control some of their members.” The KKK should try that tactic.

    • Jimmy3

      Didn’t that twit just say yesterday that you never confront what you’re attacking?
      Mystery solved.

      • Sherbet

        Didn’t Gemma say that? Not that it matters. It’s pretty nonsensical statement, anyway.

        • Jimmy3

          I said “that twit” because her Twitter name

          • Sherbet

            OH. I’m dense. Twit = JAW and Twit = Gemma

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. I should’ve been more clear. From now on I’ll say creepy janitor twit and 1950s yearbook twit.

            • A=A=A

  • TooDangerous2

    Bruce Hines too.

  • itsIBBy

    “In the comments, let us know which of the people who brought Scientology’s secrets into the open are the ones you admire most.”

    All of them? Every person who has blogged, spoken out, or commented. From Tony O to the comment section here. Never in’s and ex- Scientologists. Rinder to Remini. Anonymous to WWP.

    • Jimmy3

      Woot woot. I was waiting for a shout out. Thank you

      • itsIBBy

        Especially you J3

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ^^^Well said. This sums up how I feel too. Every person who has spoken out has added another piece of the puzzle, some have added multiple pieces, and I’m grateful to every one of them. ❤️

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        My thoughts as well.

        Cos accuses its critics of coordinating their “stories”. But each is so unique, and how they tell their experience is unique, yet through them all powerfully consistent.

        Cos insists on tripping itself on the carpet flowers by attacking individuals, but to this day still hasn’t understood how credible the big picture is. And that’s one of the reasons why people are leaving.

    • Liberated

      Lisa Marie Presley used her media savvy to help Ron Miscavage with his book…..I was surprised and very impressed.

    • TrishRan

      Anyone mention Operation Clambake?

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Daily Mail:

    ” ‘Inside I’m dying’: Leah Remini breaks down in tears as she hears couple’s tale of ‘forced abortion’ in Scientology And The Aftermath”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4071438/Leah-Remini-hears-couple-s-heart-rending-tale-forced-abortion-abuse-Scientology-Aftermath.html

  • TheLurkingHorror

    I didn’t know Joy was so tall. She looks huge in that picture. She’ll never be allowed in Tom’s entourage being that tall.

    • Observer

      All of his ex-wives are taller than he is.

      • TheLurkingHorror

        True, but I think they used to kind of hunch over a little to make it seem like they didn’t tower over him. It just doesn’t look good when someone towers over a big being.

        • Observer

          It isn’t seemly for someone to think he’s a Big Being.

  • What’sup

    Are all dudes named Thor immortal beings from another dimension, or is it just the two of them?

    • flyonthewall

      there can be only one!

    • Observer

      Hahahaha!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Bad, old joke alert:

      A striking man in flowing robes rode a horse bareback into town and proclaimed, “I’M THOR!”

      A vagrant called out to him, “Nekth time try thittin’ in a thaddle.”

      • What’sup

        That’s great…..thanks D.

      • Good one.

      • Glen

        “The plot is thickening.”

        “It thirtenly ith,”

  • downtherabbithole

    Debbie Reynolds rushed to hospital having had a stroke

    • Liberated

      Oh no.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      Poor Debbie. What a rough time for her.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The single source for this story so far is TMZ.

      • downtherabbithole

        People and some Washington paper have it also

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          They each say “according to TMZ.”

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            And it’s the Washington Times, for pity’s sake.

            • Observer

              Isn’t that the Moonie rag?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You betcha.

            • Supper Powers

              Yes and I will forever remember so because I made the mistake of labeling it a source here at the Bunker. I was quickly corrected.

            • Yeah, they’re still a thing.
              I’ve told the story before about running into Moonie fishing boats in Norfolk, Virginia.
              They were not happy that I was informing the mariners about their legal rights.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yes. Much as they like being occasionally confused with the city’s actual paper of record, The Washington Post, they are not legit.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Not saying this isn’t true. But after 30 minutes no other news outlets have verified this. TMZ trades in sensationalism.

    • Kestrel

      BBC has it. Crap.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        They are repeating “media reports.” That means they have not verified it themselves.

        If Debbie Reynolds had gone to the hospital with a stroke 45 minutes ago (as alluded to by TMZ), it seems likely it would be blowing up all over by now. Unless the family has managed to keep the lid on everybody connected, I call BS. She may have gone to the hospital for some distress, but if it was a stroke we’d know by now.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          And bear in mind, I get local TV from LA. Every reporter in town has sources in every hospital. So far, not a thing on any local channel. This would be breaking news.

          • MarcabExpat

            Yeah I hope it’s not true, but if it’s bogus, I wonder what that footage is TMZ is rolling of an ambulance pulling out of some Hollywood-style mansion. That would be extra-skeezy of them.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It seems likely that someone was taken from Todd Fisher’s house in an ambulance– and it is not unreasonable that it was Debbie Reynolds. The press has the family staked out. The reports that she has had a stroke are unconfirmed, and it’s been over an hour now. More likely that Reynolds was overcome, her blood pressure went haywire, or some other less life-threatening development. I just hope that’s the case.

            • MarcabExpat

              Excellent and reasonable summation, and I very much hope you’re correct.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Sorry to say I was not, after all. This year remains as brutal as ever.

          • Kestrel

            Well, that beats me. I’m perched on a telephone pole in Texas.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              With Lisa Douglas’ telephone?

              Just saying that the local news channels in Los Angeles are like hawks when it comes to entertainment news. I heard that Carrie Fisher had died from the entertainment reporter on KTLA before it broke on the internet or on national broadcasts.

            • Kestrel

              I don’t have Lisa Douglas’ telephone. KTLA? Is Megan Henderson still there? She was popular in Dallas.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              The name is familiar.

            • MarieSue

              Yes she is! Mornings, well, early mornings 4am to 7am.

  • TrishRan

    Worst wedding dress of ALL Matter Energy Space or Time.

    • itsIBBy

      I thought the tongue piercing was super class as well.

      • TrishRan

        No one with teeth that big should wear a necklace like that.

        • daisy

          ?? That is an interesting fashion tip , I have never heard of.

          • TrishRan

            What can I say? This woman’s photo has proved an inspiration on that issue.

          • Liberated

            Coco Channel actually said that, I saw it on tv.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Daisy was reacting to “No one with teeth that big should wear a necklace like that.”

            • Liberated

              I think she meant after one gets dressed and puts on jewelry check it out then remove 1 item.

            • daisy

              Nope DD right , I knew the take off one item rule. I never heard the big teeth , big necklace rule, but in this case it seemed reasonable.

            • Liberated

              Whoops, my mistake.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Blame Disqus. We all do!

        • itsIBBy

          i quite like the necklace, but I just cant with the piercing, its not 1999 and it looks like shes got sparkly food in her mouth

          • TrishRan

            The necklace could work on somebody else.

            The whole ensemble reminds me of Chanel’s advice to get dressed then remove one accessory. Maybe times 2 in this case.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      No it’s not. Be fair. The head-dress may not be to your taste but it was hers. At least it wasn’t fluorescent lime-green or hot-pink.

      • TrishRan

        Head dress? I thought she was trying to smuggle out a table centerpiece.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Just five candles short of St. Lucy…

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          OK, that made me LOL.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The crown of Dollar Store silk flowers really sets off the ensemble…

      • TrishRan

        sick burn!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Meee-yow.

      • Liberated

        I thought she was going to perform in a midsummer’s night dream later in the evening.

      • Supper Powers

        I think she looks nice. I just dislike that massive tattoo on her back.
        ETA I can’t figure out if it’s suppose to be angel wings or a giant cat head.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        I bet you wouldn’t be so mean-spirited to trash a bride if she was a Bunker regular.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Oy. If anybody posted this photo and then there was a bit of free-wheeling commentary, I would say the same. Silk flowers in wedding bouquets are tacky. Kill me for saying so.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            I think it’s dogpiling.

            Princess Joy Villa gives us plenty of ammo for our criticism. But bashing her for her (very acceptable) appearance on her wedding day is petty and cruel.

            • flyonthewall

              why be nice to cult enablers?

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Because she’s also a human being.

            • flyonthewall

              no, she’s a homo novis

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              No fly, she’s a person.

            • flyonthewall

              she’s clear and everything! According to her own beliefs she is a homo novis and therefore not even the same species as us.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Yes, she’s a person, and a person who invites attention through outrageous dress and behavior. She gets a pass on her wedding day…? Okay.

              I am a bad person.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              “She gets a pass on her wedding day…?”

              She gets a pass on gratuitously bashing her for her appearance and acceptable choice of wedding apparel. Yes.

            • daisy

              I am fairly certain she does not read the bunker.

            • Kestrel

              Her mother might. Where else is she going to get news about her daughter?

            • flyonthewall

              she’s disconnected from her mom?

            • Kestrel

              I didn’t say that.

            • flyonthewall

              Ok, when you said “where else is she going to get news about her daughter”, I took it as she doesn’t talk to her daughter or vice versa and only gets news of her via the internet

            • Harmless Weirdo

              I strongly doubt she does. She may not even be aware that it exists. She’s in deep, fully invested, a true believer, and whatever small fame she has depends upon her good standing as a Scieno. And she doesn’t strike me as bright enough to start asking hard questions, or seeking out entheta. So no, I don’t believe she reads here at all.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I think it’s relatively harmless J&D. Joy Villa invites attention, and gets it in spades. Not all of it is terribly nice, and for that I am guilty.

        • Harmless Weirdo

          Joy Villa is, in however small a way, a public figure. She desperately wants public attention, and to be a celebrity–and, at least within Scieno circles, she is.

          Any time there’s a celebrity wedding, the bride’s dress, hair, and flowers all get raked over the coals by the internet commentariat. That’s part of being a celebrity–people who don’t know you judge the shit out of you. If you’ve let pictures leak,* that means you’ve meant for them to be seen and commented on, and you know not all the comments will be nice. You know you have no control over where they end up or what gets said. It’s no different than being on the red carpet, really.

          And if you’re a celebrity with any sense at all, you just go ahead and live your life and do your thing, and it’s okay if random people on the internet make shitty remarks because you have the sense not to read any of it. It can only affect you if you bother to seek it out, take it seriously, and feel bad about it. And you don’t need anybody to play white knight for you, or get handslappy for making critical remarks.

          As for Joy, she doesn’t read here because she’s so marinated in the Kool-Aid that she’s not going to seek out entheta–which includes anything on the Bunker. She may know the Bunker exists, or maybe she’s so far in that she doesn’t, but either way, she’s not sitting somewhere, feeling hurt, because the ASC/Bunkerues/wogs are once again making rude comments about her regrettable lack of style on her Big Day (and it is regrettable; she’s a very pretty woman who can’t dress herself for shit).

          *For never letting so much as a single photo of her wedding to Guy Ritchie leak, even after all these years, Madonna will forever be queen, imo. Nobody’s ever been able to cat on Madge’s dress.

    • Observer

      This is by far the most tasteful, sedate outfit I have ever seen her wear. I’m giving her a pass.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        By Joy Villa standards this is haute couture. By any other… oy.

        Lose the dime-store flowers, get rid of the big paste necklace, and shorten up the earrings. A simple bouquet and a simple veil (if desired) and she would be just fine. But she wouldn’t be our Princess Joy, now would she?

        • flyonthewall

          you been reading bridal magazines in the check out line again?

          • Kestrel

            Who doesn’t?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Anything to avoid the Enquirer.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Way too plain for a celeb, don’t you think?

      • DoveAlexa

        To be honest, when someone’s not litterally wearing fencing and near-nudity, I tend to want to let them be. I find telling people that they must only wear what is absolutely as unoffensive as possible, or only what’s vetted by fashion experts to be really conformist.

      • Harmless Weirdo

        I don’t hate the dress. It would look at least 47x better, however, without the headdress and bouquet. Both look exactly like the tacky fake-poinsettia wreaths my grandmother would put around the bases of fat pillar candles at Christmastime–and that’s more than likely exactly what they started out as.

        When your wedding accessories look like the leftovers from an old lady’s estate sale, that’s a problem. (And yes, I loved my grandma, but her taste too often ran to “trying really hard to be classy and elegant, only to be cheesy, and not in a fun way.”)

        • Observer

          That’s what irks me about Joy’s efforts at free-spiritedness. Stevie Nicks pulled it off effortlessly. Joy tries very, very hard, and it shows.

          I was expecting something a whole lot more…spectacular…for her wedding. I do think she looks lovely in spite of the accessories.

          • Harmless Weirdo

            She just doesn’t have an eye for combining clothes in interesting, creative ways that actually work. She’s like a lot of amateur artists I know who have been making art and taking lessons for years, but they still draw lollipop trees, or their colors are always garish, or they can’t draw a portrait from a photo without putting the eyes too close together. And even when they are aware that something is wrong, they still can’t see it, even when it’s pointed out to them. They just don’t have the eye, and their perception is permanently off.

            • TrishRan

              Great observations. I run into art/artists like you describe all the time.

      • TrishRan

        wow

    • Vaquera

      Taking her other more inventive costumes into consideration, s https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/adf4541966199f8bdbd579afb7dd3ff2c10bb9521a1af4c472d4eef43dc63e4e.jpg he did a good job of staying true to her fashion sense, yet, for her, in a reserved manner. Other than the barbell pierced tongue I think she looks quite nice. (f5)

      • Vaquera
        • daisy

          …. and just like that my faith in their bad taste restored. This is the first I have seen of the seaweed hemline too.

          • Vaquera

            🙂

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Good grief…did they get their wedding attire at Goodwill Industries? Is the guy on the right a barber? The girls look OK but the guys?…

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            He’s “shabby sheik”.

            • daisy

              You are on fire today.

            • Liberated

              Bravo.

          • Vaquera
            • EmmaDaoust

              oh god, now that I see that “gown” in its entirety, ugh.

              We’re so judgmental.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Ooba dooba. The arm bands and two-toned handkerchief points around the hem are… more lovely additions to the ensemble.

              (There. I said something nice.)

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Those gold arm bands are those temporary tattoos that you press onto your skin. They sell them at the 99 cent stores – no kidding.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It’s a theme…

            • Vaquera

              From the size of the spread, how many people do you estimate attended the Marry Christmas Wedding?

            • daisy

              Where is the LRH photo ?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Tattooed on Joy’s back, under the eagle.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              An LRH tramp stamp? ACK!

            • Kestrel

              Honestly? There’s only about thirty plates stacked.

            • Vaquera

              Guess that’s what happens when you post an open invite via social media and the majority of your followers were purchased from Indonesia.

            • daisy

              LOL – stop it. Just stick to posting music . I am already jealous of you.

            • Vaquera
            • Liberated

              I’ve been trying all day to clean up xmas stuff and vacuum, watch the “breaking bad”
              marathon and read the bunker.
              It’s hard!

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              19… including the chef.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          The theme was “A Wedding in Whoville.”

        • Harmless Weirdo

          The women at least tried (and most look pretty good). The guys? Dudes, it’s a wedding, not a Monday Night Football viewing party. There’s a difference, trust me.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i think she looks beautiful too

      • Observer

        Yep.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I agree. She might have turned up with a costume made of fruit and veggies or a few strategically placed teacups and saucers, going by her bad taste in previous costumes, so I think this is nice enough. Pierced tongues are ugly to me no matter who has ’em.

      • madame duran

        I don’t think that’s such a bad picture of Joy (even with the headpiece). Not my cuppa tea but, hey, it’s not my wedding. Her hipster husband looks nice in the tux but the beard…oy. I’m tempted to cut it off. Whelp…we’ll see how long the marriage will last.

    • Xique

      Not to mention the rest of her look….I’m sorry but eckkk.

  • Kudos to Michelle Sterling aka Emma and ESMB community from me as well.

  • just realized that this is comment 2112 for me, so obviously:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZm1_jtY1SQ

  • downtherabbithole

    Feeding time for the baby eagles – nefleaglecam.org

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      If Daddy Eagle shows up with a house cat I’m sending you the bill for the therapy session.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Aargh. I am coming off as so catty today. Something in the air…

      Thank you for sharing this. And I need to get out of the house. See you all later!

    • Kestrel

      They’re so cute when they’re babies. Brings a tear…

    • flyonthewall

      the horses *hand gestures* look at us! lol

      • She is very sexy when determined.

        • flyonthewall

          sexy and hilarious

          • daisy

            I hate that. Stay in your own lane.

    • DoveAlexa

      It’s a parody of itself!

  • Jeb Burton

    Leah says the cop who is investigating the Shelly thing is speaking at a Scientology sponsored event. Shocking. Hey lady with the thing on your tongue, whats up?

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Jeb Burton

      They are probably just as racist and homophobic as the KKK.

    • Glen

      This is the link for the story in the Hollywood Reporter:

      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/church-scientology-calls-a-e-hypocritical-pulling-kkk-series-959639

      This is my comment:

      The hypocrisy lies not with A&E or Leah Remini but rather with $cientology and their hired guns (lawyers, private investigators, Office of Special Affairs, et al). These $ci guys try to equate themselves as the target of hate by bigots but they are more like the KKK with their documented practices of Fair Game and worse. Such unremitting gall by the cult with a spy wing and a policy to destroy enemies utterly. $ci says to attack the attackers, that “acceptable truths” (lies) are necessary and that every single critic of $ci is completely wrong and none of these awful stories about them is remotely true. Leah’s series is proof that sunshine is the best disinfectant.

    • Nice from your link:
      “An official at A&E tells us there’s a difference in the 2 shows because Remini is an executive producer on her show and she’s “not the member of a hate group.””

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Leah is rubber and the CO$ is glue… 😉

    • Ben Franklin

      They must be mad because they wanted to use the KKK show to trash A&E and also bring down Leah’s show just because they would be on the same network. CoS is now trying to use Leah’s support for Scientology when she was still a member against her.

  • scnethics

    Bruce Hines is my favorite. He put himself out there early (2005?), before the media realized it was open season on scientology, and his calm, even-handed delivery made it hard to doubt him. If you haven’t watched the talk he gave at the Hamburg Symposium in 2010, it’s definitely worth checking out on YouTube!

  • scnethics

    Great bonus items (thanks tipsters!) – Judd Apatow – wow! And Joy looks positively T-Rexian.

  • EmmaDaoust

    Competitive cyclist Ellen Waters killed in New Brunswick, hit by a car. She was 28.

    • daisy

      I do not follow cycling , I didn*t know of her . It is a tragedy when someone that young goes. So many of us do not take good care of ourselves and are rewarded with long life , it seems unfair

      • EmmaDaoust

        No point thinking like that. There’s no rhyme or reason, and nobody is worth any more than anyone else. This is one of the most evil things about “religious” belief – that we’ll get sick, or give birth to children with infirmities, or live in poverty, because we didn’t pray enough, or believe enough, or give enough money to the snake oil salesman.

        • daisy

          Totally agree. This young girl was involved in trying to change legislature regarding bike safety as well. Makes me sad when someone is doing good in the world dies so young and rank assholes run around for years. That is more in line with what I was feeling.

  • Jimmy3

    I saw Judd Apatow’s standup routine at the Comedy Store in L.A. A lot of family-related humor, but it was good, and he was good, and funny. Made me wonder why he’s not in more of his own movies.

  • EDN/laineybin

    Which of the people who brought Scientology’s secrets into the open are the ones I admire most? Hmm…

    Everyone – all of them – but a special shout out to Jason “show me a motherf-ing clear” Beghe!

  • What’sup
    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      That was fantastic!

      • April

        I’ve seen it a few times. Hysterically funny.
        Bill Shatner (of Star Trek) speaks at this event and his is funny also.

    • daisy

      I hadn*t seen this one. I absolutely loved her.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “…[George Lucas] provided us with a small merry band of stalkers…”

      Lost it laughing.

  • daisy

    Canadian TV local news says Debbie Reynolds taken to hospital in what * appears * to be a stroke. No sources sited. They are having a tribute memorial in London Ont. for her tonight.

    • flyonthewall

      money making jerks, oh that’s funny

    • DoveAlexa

      $ci keeps trying to bully wikipedia like anyone there gives a shit. Also:Oh no! They removed my favourite factoid!
      “Removed blow-job vandalism

      I removed this, as amusing as it is:

      When not humiliating people, Miscavige fellates space aliens.[1][2]

      Thanks. Damotclese (talk) 15:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)”

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Derp. I missed your post. I repeated the same thing. 🙂

    • Observer

      Oh, this is rich–it’s even got a variation on “I’m not a Scientologist but”. The Wikipedians sound so world-weary in responding to it.

    • daisy

      … pink tie with burgandy socks not notable . I beg to differ, I fall on Scientology*s side on this one .LOL

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Possibly has done business in Texas. Ooh, I like it.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I like the edit below that one ” I removed this, as amusing as it is:
      When not humiliating people, Miscavige fellates space aliens.” LOL.

    • Ella Raitch

      deleted – TMT got there first

      • TheMirrorThetan

        And DoveAlexa got there before me. 😀

  • Sherbet

    Does anybody have a link to Leah’s show from last night? A&E is telling me I need to register to see it.

    Thanks, all of you helpful people.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    I moved across country in the mid-1970s and within the first month, my bike and then my wallet were stolen. I got so depressed, with no one I knew, and even the bits of anchors for my life disappearing, that I went to see a counselor. At the very first counseling session, it came out that my sadness and grief was not over moving and being robbed of possessions, but because I had lost a very close family member to scientology. So my next step was to find a deprogrammer to get my family member out. (This was when deprogramming was still the thing, long before Steve Hassan and his Freedom of Mind approach which I try to use now.) However, the deprogrammer refused to get involved because he said that Co$ is such a paranoid group that they go after and attack anyone who tries to stop them or get a loved one out. Sad to say my family member is still at Int Base.

    • Supper Powers

      Aw, man. I’m so sorry.

    • FredEX2

      Sorry FMFH. Let’s hope this new year brings your family member in Scientology some clarity and willingness to look outside the box he/she is caught up in…Better yet…time for DM to topple off his throne and this cult to finally fall.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I think if DM goes, maybe… But he thinks DM is the best thing since sliced bread. When Leah was talking last night about how she believed all the statistics at the big events- cutting crime in Colombia is something my family member brings up a lot – Leah believed them and concluded that even if she had doubts, her church was doing good work and being successful. Those worker bees at Int Base have no way of fact checking, nor would they want to.

        • FredEX2

          I completely understand what you’re saying FMFH. I think this is exactly why it’s so hard for someone ‘in’ to even be interested in looking. As the documentary ‘Going Clear’s subtitle…members are stuck in their ‘prison of belief’. It seems to take a very long time for them to wake up.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I always listen closely to the exes when they describe their doubts and how they began to question, what were the trigger points. But I know from an eyewitness who since blew that my family member was subjected to emotional and verbal brutality in the Hole for something that was not at all his fault. His doubts were beaten out of him, not physically, but mentally.

    • Was it a free counselor?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yes because it was through my school’s health services.

    • Ella Raitch

      (((hugs))) sweetheart xxx

  • Supper Powers

    Sister update. She and her husband watched all the Leah shows and she just texted me to tell me they are now watching Going Clear. I predict sister will be in the Bunker in the next week! She’s prolly stalking me here right now! *waves* Hi sis, it’s ok for thinking I’m weird for the last 4 years. Welcome to your new obsession!

    • flyonthewall

      gooba gabba one of us

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • Hey! Nice stretch limo in front of ABLE in May of this year, but I can’t imagine the Sea Org inside being able to rent one. Perhaps it’s for someone at Author Services/Galaxy Press next door, or maybe the apartments behind?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9264bf2a0e603a98290865f5608d9ac69318763022678dd91d8b5150eb47877f.jpg

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Street parking is scarce in Hollywood. Chances are the limo has nothing to do with the CO$.

      • And Dave has his secure indoor parking around the side.

    • Oh right, now I remember why I was looking.

      It looks like Criminon, like Narconon is now being “held from above” because ABLE is their current registered address. (Narconon International hasn’t updated their California data since 2014. Clark Carr is still the CEO.)

      • chukicita

        Has anyone seen Clark Carr? I thought he took off for Mexico awhile back when things started heating up with all the Narcoocoo lawsuits.

  • Stinky Wizzleteets

    Dodo, here’s the video I told you about. https://vimeo.com/170556470

    • Lol. Good one! Haven’t seen this one before.

      • scottmercer

        The only thing they left out was “Bob” Dobbs.

  • flyonthewall
    • Intergalactic Walrus
    • EmmaDaoust

      Lafayette. Huh.

    • GrangerFX

      He makes an excellent point. Thanks to Leah’s series and all the other press coverage of the abuses of CoS, being a member of this evil organization will now carry some serious social stigma. The type of stigma that is hard to survive as a celebrity.

      On the other hand, announcing that you have left the CoS and denounce it would be a pretty decent reputation boost. Just saying.

      • EmmaDaoust

        ^^^^^

  • flyonthewall

    ever notice how time stands still when you have to poop real bad but can’t leave your desk?

  • It’s a good thing that Scientology isn’t in a position to gamify their Ethics system like this with their remaining members:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

    Can you imagine?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad36d1d7110a157d6062f05155a2a6313df3d0466fe50ea3de17e7f88147b2b5.jpg

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    WTF? Was Jonathan Winters ever a clam or did he just perform for them? I think everyone else mentioned is in the cult. He sure doesn’t seem like a fit for the CO$.
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da29fedce51baafaa45a248407d530e9f4a93c407cb613751c323b9930d5d9ba.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/936e63b70cba31a47a6b90ddd9ed761aa9ed54a7de4a4c26460f5f74f5856b4c.png

    • daisy

      Oh say it isn*t so.

    • Ella Raitch

      Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis also appeared in something at Celebrity Centre, so it ain’t necessrily so…

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Do you mean Edgar Winter? If so, yes.

      ETA: so I see below that you didn’t mean Edgar. Apologies. Don’t know about Jonathan.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        They had Edgar Winter, who is an albino, sing White Christmas! SMH

  • Ben Franklin

    Wow. Leah’s show seem to be captivating so many people, even those who had similar experiences with other cults. In this clip two former Jehovah witnesses are just amazed how similar Scientology and the watchtower organizations are. I have always wondered for quite sometime how the connection come about. Did Scientology borrow from Jehovah’s witness or did Jehovah’s witness borrow from Scientology. It is hard for me to believe that it is just coincidence or just because the two are cults therefore the share the same type of practices.
    This is the clip I am referring to:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsobVgvW9ds

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I don’t think any purposeful borrowing, it’s just the way cults function.

      • Ben Franklin

        The reason why sometimes I think that there might be some connection is because there is evidence that Hubbard was not always the author/originator of all Scientology policies. Were there any influential Scientologists who had Jehovah’s witness background who could have influenced or contributed to some of the policies?

    • Ben Thank you for posting this 🙂

    • MarcabExpat

      I’m a survivor of a different, unrelated cult and I feel right at home among Scientology exes. I think it’s just how cults work; they offer a different lure, but they share the same mechanisms for controlling people.

  • chukicita

    If anyone hasn’t mentioned Keith Henson, who has a harrowing story for a never-in, please let his name ring out here today.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Debbie Reynolds has died 🙁

    • EmmaDaoust

      Aww.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I mentioned this already but the night before Carrie collapsed, I was watching her and Debbie’s interview on Oprah (2011). They were talking about Carrie’s battle with mental illness and Debbie got emotional saying something like she worried about what would happen to Carrie after Debbie was gone – who would protect her. I was afraid after Carrie died, that Debbie would soon follow. They both had hard times but never gave up. I believe they are both at peace.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I just saw that too, A broken heart.

      • daisy

        Yes she died of a broken heart. That poor family.

    • Liberated

      I just saw that this is too much.

    • gtsix

      Horrible. She had to experience the sadness of losing her daughter, and then passed the next day. May her granddaughter have a very good support system around her. I cannot imagine the grief that young woman is dealing with.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Or Todd Fisher. Making arrangements to bury both your mom and sister. So sad.

        • gtsix

          Ok, now I’m tearing up. What a devastating reality they are living through.

          • JJ

            I like to think sappy things even though I am an atheist, like, they wanted to be together.

        • Kim O’Brien

          and the other sister …Jolie ? she just must be heart broken …i just can’t even

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Her step-sisters’ mom Connie Stevens is still alive.

    • daisy

      I think it is silly to blame a year, but I am now a believer. We were too busy guarding Betty. It would have been cruel fate to comprehend Debbie. I am so sad for her family. I hope they can take comfort in thinking they are together.

      • JJ

        I know and in other countries it isn’t 2016 anyway, and it is just a thing we made up with the calendars thousand years back, a year isn’t a sentient being it is just a collection of days and 2016 is one 365 collection that seemed to take more than it’s “fair share” of celebrities.

    • Observer

      Omg, poor Todd

    • JJ

      This is the year we stopped saying ‘celebrity deaths came in threes’, they are coming in dozens. Wonderful gifted actress who stared in many of my favorite films. It sounds narcissistic but I feel like I missed the chance to meet some of these talented wonderful inspiring people. Do what you have to do today, tomorrow isn’t a guarantee.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *tears*

      This year is just too much. : /

      • Username

        Ditto

    • Harmless Weirdo

      Holy crap. I am so heartbroken for Todd Fisher and Billie Lourd right now. That’s just horrible.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        KABC just reported that Todd told them Debbie had been very sad and under a lot of stress since Carrie’s incident and she told him that she wanted to go be with Carrie to take care of her again.
        ETA: Debbie had a massive stroke while at his house making funeral arrangements.

  • Username

    Just needed to post my tribute to Carrie Fisher here at The Bunker for all she did to open up the conversation about bi-polar disorder. My family is on its 5th generation of known members with this condition and we live in a better world because of her heroic efforts. She shared her experience with ECT, medication and therapy that enabled her to manage her life so her daughter could depend on her, among many other things.

    Shame on Scientology for denying and deterring people with mental health conditions to seek out help from medical professionals who have done their homework, hard research, studies and, developed new and improved medication, to steadily improve mental health. Their beef with psychiatry is based on a foundless grudge by deluded LRH.

    I think Carrie is over my shoulder helping me write this and she says “Wake the hell up Scientology… you have no idea what you are talking about. Just focus on your travels to the next world and leave this one alone. You’ve done enough damage. And by the way… where I am… no one wants you either.”

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Now you have me crying again, Username.

      • Username

        I can’t stop. Hugs.

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • Username

        Awesome quote. Thank you.

      • Ella Raitch

        She also did a lot to criticise society’s expectations that women should be slim and pretty (and young). This perimenopausal woman loves that!

    • MarcabExpat

      Fantastic tribute. Here, of all places, she deserves special praise for standing up for the truth about mental health, and for the dignity of mentally ill human beings!

  • Kim O’Brien

    Debbie Reynolds had died ????!!!!

    i just wanna go to sleep for like 3 months

    • JJ

      ten

    • Liberated

      What the hell is going on?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Grab some extra pillows, I’m coming join you.

      • Kim O’Brien

        this is insane ….

        i just need to scream/cry into the void ………

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Seconded.

          • Kim O’Brien

            christ …i have felt like i was getting the shit kicked out of me , starting nov 7th . 2016 ended in soul violation . I’m exhausted

        • Liberated

          I have completely lost it.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i cry ugly ….like snot and gasps and slobbering . I look like shit right now and feel worse . Ugh

            • Liberated

              You!!!!! You oughta see me.

        • JJ

          It’s freak my mom out if I screamed, so I go and shovel the snow in a really pissed manner.

    • gtsix

      Scooch over please.

      • Kim O’Brien

        down comforter

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      or 4 years

      • Kim O’Brien

        he has unleashed misery . i hate him

  • daisy

    CBC DOING A MEMORIAL FOR THE LIVES LOST THIS YEAR. NOW .

    • MarcabExpat

      They better wait a few days.

  • Kim O’Brien

    where is Longtime Lurker ??! I need his funny skills right now 🙁 sent him an email … i hope he did not go on walkabout again .

    • Liberated

      This is one time I don’t know what I’d do without the bunker…who else would feel exactly like I do?

      You guys….get it. I love you guys!

    • Supper Powers

      He’s doing life stuff.

    • MarcabExpat

      Yeah I’m feeling a distinct lack of wombats in this emergency situation that calls for wombats.

  • daisy

    Where*s Johnny T. ? Canadian , Dick Assman was memorialized because he was on the David Letterman show for his silly name. It made him famous up here.

  • Baby
  • Jack99
    • Todd Tomorrow

      No!!!!!!!!!!!! My assistant sings or hums this every god damn morning and I’m not a morning person!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      “Kelly later admitted that he had not been kind to Reynolds and was surprised that she was still willing to talk to him afterwards. After shooting the Good Morning routine, which had taken from 8:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m. to shoot, Reynolds’ feet were bleeding.”

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    I think all these deaths and the mention of my “non-friend” is enough for me today. I’m going to go lay down. See you all in the AM. ❤️

  • EmmaDaoust

    Just to put it in a bit of perspective, about 150,000 people died today worldwide, and 60 million to date this year. On the other hand, 356,000 births today, and 142 million year to date.

    http://www.worldometers.info

    • gtsix

      Ahh yes. Statistics are comforting.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Didn’t say it was comforting.

        • gtsix

          Then what “perspective” are you advocating for?

    • gtsix

      Oh, nice edit to add a happy stat about births. Perspective…. fascinating. Thanks. (No snark, I’m done.)

  • Len Zinberg

    Leah Remini piece on Fox News Channel coming up right now; Sandra Smith is substituting for Megyn Kelly

  • nunyabidnes

    In the stories and comments, I often hear that ex-members feel embarrassed that they fell for Scientology. As a never in, I think that ex-Scientologists should not feel shame at being duped. Who wouldn’t want what they claim with such certainty that they can give? The answers to life is what everyone wishes to know. They are very good at manipulation, and they lie so easily and readily. Most people are not prepared to sort through that. With the internet, I think it will be easier for people to find out what they’re really about before they get trapped.

    • scottmercer

      The “Frog in the boiling water” concept is an important one to never-ins (which I am). Scientology doesn’t start out super crazy…they rope you in then lower the boom. By the time you realize how messed up it is, you’re stuck.

  • Supper Powers

    FYI, last night’s show is going to repeat on A&E in about 35 minutes for those in the States.

  • Len Zinberg

    Trace Gallagher reported that Leah is publicly questioning why the FBI hasn’t investigated Scientology. Then showed a clip of the Headley’s and mentioned forced abortions and other abuses.
    FOX said they put a call in to the FBI and have not heard back. Closed the piece with a comment about Leah’s series, “a lot of people are watching it.”

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      wow.

  • Supper Powers

    Leah is on Match Game on ABC according to Supper Powers Mom

    • Liberated

      Jan. 4

      • Supper Powers

        No, now. I’m watching it.

        • Liberated

          What? What channel?

          • Supper Powers

            ABC.

            • Liberated

              They lied to me.

            • Supper Powers

              But they’re sorry.

            • Liberated

              I doubt it.

            • Liberated

              This is hard….there is also a breaking bad marathon on AMC.

            • scottmercer

              Australian Broadcasting or American Broadcasting?

            • Supper Powers

              American

    • Todd Tomorrow

      That show is still on? I remember it when I was 4 my nanny watched it.

      • Supper Powers

        Alex Baldwin is hosting a new iteration. I turned it on to verify It has Leah on tonight. It does. And she’s delightful. ETA: the other people are presumably stars but I don’t know who they are.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Where does he find the time? When not calling his little daughter a “little pig” or diving into airline bathrooms with his electronic devices on during landing? Oh and when not calling people”fags”. What a guy..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0-ZatDHug

          • TrishRan

            I have a friend who went to high school with Alec Baldwin & says he was awful to anyone not part of his clique. He refers to him as a “yard ape”.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Here is Debbie & Carrie singing a duet. This is sweet and a nice way to remember them both…

    https://youtu.be/bGpzv5-MLfg

    • April

      This made me smile and cry at the same time. :((

  • Frodis73

    Omfg, and now Debbie Reynolds passed. I just cannot deal with this year.. How sad…and unbelievable! I want to go to bed and wake up in like May of 2017, maybe things will be okay by then.

    • Supper Powers

      Kim amd Nola are already tucked in under a down comforter. I think there’s room for you, too.

      • Frodis73

        Found ’em! We are *never* coming out either.

        • Supper Powers

          We’ll revisit that in the morning. We need y’all.

          • Frodis73

            lol

    • MarcabExpat

      She was a wonderful, adorable dancer. One of those that didn’t have to choose between charm and technical proficiency. She kept up with Gene Kelly AND Donald O’Connor and made you look at her while she did so. She was just good at everything she did.

      https://media.giphy.com/media/3nyBDL4qzRXu8/giphy.gif

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      No they won’t, the orange bully with small fingers will be in the midst of destroying everything we value in America.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    It looks like Rosie O’Donnell is watching Aftermath and is not a fan of the CO$…
    https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/814186992481210368

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      Ruh-roh…

  • Todd Tomorrow

    All this bad news and now a fire.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh7UgAprdpM

  • Gib

    just thought I’d throw this in here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65nU9YIizPM

    • JJ

      Shakedown Tech?

    • PerpetualOutflow

      So David Miscavige somehow has the time and resources to do bow and arrow practice, karate, etc.while his colleagues in the sea org slave away with no time to themselves to exercise or see loved ones. And he somehow can’t seem to fit in $cientology courses or auditing anymore. What a scam artist.

  • Frodis73

    Christian Stolte was just on Chicago PD…very good scene! I am going to bed…today was a rough day.
    Oh, after thinking about Tony’s question all day I came up with Paulette and the women that started the ex-sci kids site. That site really drove home how wrong and off the cult was.

  • GhostOfFloBarnette

    Tony, can you please find out why TMZ moderators delete any mention of Heber Jentzsch in their comments section?

    • gtsix

      Because safe pointing and $$$$$$

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      This is hilarious! “If I convert how can I be first in line to meet Tom Cruise?”

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    This has absolutely nothing to do with today’s article, but I’ve been thinking about it all day since watching the latest episode of Leah Remini’s series on A&E. It was heartwrenching, watching Claire talk about her coerced abortion.

    I was thinking: if Scientologists believe that reincarnation happens, and that thetans choose the body of the baby to inhabit, and assuming that a Scientologist would a) want to be reborn into a Scientology family and b) that the best, most ethical Scientologists are Sea Org members, wouldn’t that Scientologist want to be reborn as a Sea Org family baby? Wouldn’t LRH want to be reborn to a Scientologist Sea Org person?

    Has the Sea Org been pressuring its women into aborting L. Ron Hubbard?

    If it weren’t a policy established by LRH himself, I’d suspect that Miscavaige started in to kill (literally) the competition.

    • Tony Ortega

      “Reincarnation” isn’t really accurate when you’re talking about Scientology. According to L. Ron Hubbard’s cosmology, you are a thetan, an immortal spiritual being. And after the meat body that you’re walking around in wears out and you “die,” you will eventually go jump into a newborn down at the local maternity ward and start a new lifetime.

      So abortion doesn’t really come into it if you see it that way. You’re only going to jump into a newborn down at the hospital, and not a fetus that might be aborted.

      • Sherbet

        Voila! Zero Population Growth achieved.

        • Anonymous Confused Person

          Yeah, the math doesn’t work at all, unless some of these babies are being inhabited by body thetans released by Scientology. So, are they responsible for overpopulation? Or are they claiming that most bodies don’t have actual thetan thetans?

          • Sherbet

            Hey, don’t complicate this scientology truism by the addition of common sense.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Damn straight.

      • Anonymous Confused Person

        Ah! Okay, I had it wrong. I seem to remember this, actually, but had just forgotten it at the time. Thank you!

        Soulless babies. Creepy. Sounds like it might be the basis for a cool ragdoll game, though.

      • Liberated

        In “preventive dianetics ” in DMSMH, Hubbard considers any woman who evens thinks about having an abortion evil incarnate.
        She is 1.1 on the tone scale and responsible for mandkind’s ills.

        I’m pretty sure some of this coercion to have an abortion was done during Hubbard’s years, just not to the degree DM has.

        • daisy

          It is too bad DM*s mom wasn*t forced to abort.

      • Gib

        when I was a member, I didn’t know about abortions at the Sea Org level, I was just a public paying member. Everything in scientology, as I have come to know is compartmentalized, it’s a need to know basis, if you will. This is true for many staff and public at the local org and mission level.

        Everything at the Sea Org level is secret from regular members.

        Because I was persuaded by Hubbard in past lives, why I used many a times to get out of paying dono’s to front groups and even the ideal org scam, I would say next life time I will make it up the bridge, and saying that would put staff trying to reg me at a standstill, LOL

        I always had doubts. One can’t assume we were all brainwashed completely, but enough to continue. I was just a regular Joe trying to make a living and improve that. Little did I know it was all a scam, really, although I did get something out of my involvement. But, overall, it’s bullshit.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Cass Warner’s clam daughter Tao Gaines and her husband are advertising for a baby to adopt. I saw their adoption profile page and they don’t come right out and admit to being $cientologists but they have their daughter wearing an IAS shirt, holding up her Delphi Academy cert and at Youth for Human Right event. It made me wonder how adoptions are viewed in the CO$ since the thetan is supposed to pick the mom. I also fear for someone giving their baby up to a family and later finding out that your baby is going to be raised by anti-vax clams. What a nightmare.

    • if your thinking like what the Romans did in the history books or the Bible, it’s not like that at all. It’s about money and production.

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    Jeff Hawkin’s website, Marc Headley’s BFG, Marty Rathbun’s book and Tory Christman’s YT channel helped take the lid off for me early 2014. Omg, but Leah you are just a frigging angel. I have no frigging words to explain how grateful I am that you are doing this.

  • Sherbet

    Not trying to be a wiseguy, but while reading in Variety about Debbie Reynolds’s death, I noticed a condolence message from Rip Taylor. Rip Taylor is still alive?

    • Liberated

      I thought that guy died a long time ago, but I’ve been wrong before.

      • Sherbet

        I did, too. Well, at least he’s not a 2016 statistic (so far).

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I thought he was dead too but Wikipedia says he’s 81. This cheers me up somehow 🙂

      • Sherbet

        And probably still tossing confetti and doing shtick with his toupee.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Remember the $1.98 Beauty Pageant show that he hosted? Yeesh! One of the channels airs old Merv Griffin shows and I saw one recently with a young Rip Taylor doing his comedy act as a hippie wearing a long haired wig, etc. Same voice but he looked so different. He wasn’t bad looking actually.

          • Sherbet

            I do remember that show. My main memories of him are from the old Match Game show and probably on the Dean Martin show.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Still alive and Debbie’s opening act for many, many years.

      • Liberated

        I had forgotten she was on “Will and Grace” as Grace’s mother.
        She was so funny.

  • thetastic

    Admire most? So tough to choose, but the name floating to the top for me right now is Len Zinberg.

  • Good Thursday to all.

    • Sherbet

      May we have a good Thursday? With cheerfulness, rainbows, and nobody dying?

    • Juicer77

      Greetings!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Yes, they are selling a lot of ads. That’s because the show is a ratings winner and everyone is watching it. And you just admitted it! HA!
    https://twitter.com/johnalexwood/status/814311417692176384

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    FFS! Another new CO$ Aftermath: After Money page is claiming that Leah’s fans are terrorists! http://www.leahreminiaftermath.com/articles/the-hate-leah-remini-inspires.html

    “Indeed, since promotion began for Remini’s anti-Scientology reality TV show, threats against Scientologists on social media, through emails and in phone calls have dramatically increased. The Los Angeles Police
    Department and other law enforcement agencies are actively investigating the threats, which include violent references…

    The hate mail directed at the Church is based solely on the lies in Remini’s show, as evidenced by the fact that the same lies are repeated in the tweets, emails and postings, usually with the hashtag for Remini’s show.

    The most recent threat, from an anonymous poster praised A&E and stated, “Come to my house to meet my 9mm glock.”

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Meskimen immediately blamed the psychs for Robin Williams’ death and now it’s Carrie Fisher & ECT. Gawd, I detest this guy!
    https://twitter.com/jimrossmeskimen/status/813846912755347456

    • TheLurkingHorror

      geez, what an ass.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – he is a vile POS.

        • Please don’t insult vile pieces of sh*t.

    • Liberated

      I hate him for saying that.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Carrie Fisher would beg to differ. According to Scientology, what is true for her is… true.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Jim, shut the fuck up. Did a couple of your BTs run off with your human decency?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        All human decency was audited out of him a long time ago.

    • Glen

      Tony’s great reply:

      “When a Scientologist covers himself in glory. What class.”

    • Newiga

      Disgusting. Shame on you, Jim Meskimen. People are in mourning and your opinion and clam views are not needed at the moment.

  • FredEX2

    I couldn’t choose one favorite Hero among the bunch of all the Heroes who have stood up to this evil cult when times were even more perilous to do so. I think of Tory and Karen, Mike, Jon Atack, Steve Cannane, Senator Xenophone of Australia…so many now… and everyone…including Tony who has devoted his career and done so much to inform people of the facts about Scientology. Those that were the 1st to carry the torch of Truth… had little support from an unknowing public…until now. I love everyone who has bravely risked so much to help so many who’ve been devastated by this evil empire and their insane ‘leader’…in the name of ‘religion’. I am eternally grateful to each one…from Anonymous…to Leah ( love her! )…I never thought there’d be a time where people would stand up to this terroristic entity and that everyone would begin to learn of the horrible things this organization will do to people they decide are ‘enemie’s’.

    Anyway …Good nite everyone still on the Bunker. I’ve been lurking here today…but pretty much been down for the count. Thought I was dying yesterday for sure. It’s a miracle I lived thru another day ( LOL ) bc I’ve never been so sick in my life. Do not get this god-awful flu! It’s like the plague or something. Tomorrow is day #5 and Google says I should feel a bit better by then…hope so. Coz whatever strain this is its trying to kill me. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy…with one exception…

    • Gib

      When I received the Debbie Cook email, that got me to look further, and further and further. What an eye opener.

      • FredEX2

        Yes Gib, what Debbie Cook did was very brave and her email made many really ‘look’ and finally leave the cult. She risked everything to tell the truth and went thru utter Hell at the hands of McSavage and Scientology…an organization she had once devoted so many years of her life to.

    • Username

      Feel better!

  • Cool definition on Entheta seen on the Internet…

    “Although entheta is commonly associated with falsehoods, it can be anything which causes agitation, including upsetting truths. Since Scientologists spend a lot of time, money, and effort to remove upsets from their lives, they tend to stay away from things which they feel will cause upset. Whether the upset might be based on truth or falsehood is a secondary issue.”

  • scottmercer

    Didn’t realize Joy Villa was so tall.

    • her legs still reaches the ground

  • Douglas D. Douglas
    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Security BREACH????? Oy Vey!!

  • Newiga

    I cannot deal with this year any more.

    • Where I live it’s the morning of the 29th, so three more days.

      • Newiga

        Same here. A few days ago I said “There are only a few days of 2016 left, what could happen?” Not gonna ask that question again. Just gonna hide under a rock and wait for 2017.

  • Qbird

    late today. busy.
    Sort by Best.
    Impressive lists.
    So many to admire and for so many reasons too.

    Holy Mackeral… I can’t choose, too many & all key.
    Outstanding people!
    Your stories, truly amazing in their breath & scope.

    I will say this tho, I would never have ‘known’ any of these folks
    were it not for a reporter & this underground bunker.
    I’m grateful.
    The whole of it. yes. whistle-blowers, the lot of you! 😉 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5ec8dd5e59e73ccb638db1b303d0e6ee720a5623d10fc968a8453d179443f52.png

    • Juicer77

      ^^^ Amazing strength and courage, at great cost.

    • What’sup

      Any proof of alleged acts of vandalism?

      • Newiga

        I was just about to ask the same question. What type of acts of vandalism, where did they take place and when?

        • scnethics

          Apparently, there were two journalists working on that article, and neither of them thought to ask that question. Of course, no one responded by phone so they would have had to wait who-knows-how-long for an answer.

      • it probably means that they are scared to “death” because of the rhetoric used by Normal people on social medias against those “people”.

    • Newiga

      Look at Scientology defending media’s integrity. -_-

  • Newiga

    *Dances in middle of the empty Bunker* Anyone here? Who wants to dance with me?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1NrQYXjLU

    • I am crap and the girls always laugh at me. But that is what I get from using David Gahan as a role model…
      https://youtu.be/nWvDCNki6YI?t=81

      • Newiga

        I won’t laugh. 🙂 We can just rock out and listen to awesome tunes while we wait for the new post.

        • Bless you …. shall we wait for Johnny to do the Norwegian Wet Sock Dance?

          • Newiga

            LOL! Don’t encourage him! 😀

          • Newiga

            Ps. Next up: The Cure?

            • hmmm

            • Newiga

              NO WAY!? 😀 What a small world. I’m speechless.

            • Newiga

              Maybe we’ll go with New Order…

            • Newiga

              Or with some “newer” like The Killers. 😀

            • your turn next

            • Newiga

              One of my dearest friends used to sing this to me. We went to see The Killers together and had a ball.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qok9Ialei4c

            • Working today?

            • Newiga

              I am… But it’s SOOOO quiet. Hardly anyone here. I’m trying to finish some projects while there’s no commotion around me.

            • Maybe they will let you go early for the day.

            • Newiga

              I’m hoping to finish early tomorrow. 🙂 Long weekend ahead! ^_ ^

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Hej, Newi!

              “finish early tomorrow” – I thought you were Finnish all day long. (I know – that was a lame joke)

            • Newiga

              Hahahahahaa! I’m Finnish pretty much 24/7/365

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Do you have any plans for your Feb/March vacation? Last time it was Thailand, wasn’t it?

            • Newiga

              Not yet. Last year it was Thailand. Still planning for the next one.

            • What’sup

              I’ve seen The Killers like a half dozen times….luuuurrrrvvve them.

            • Newiga

              Me too. <3 I'm a HUUUUUUUGE fan.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Did someone call my name..?

            • Good day Sir!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Hello, my friend. I thought I would stop by and see if there was any action here.

            • We are here and if you listen closely you can hear cats and a wrinkley dog snoring.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              The quiet before a new post is up – nice and tranquil.

            • Newiga

              Me and EE were rock on to some tunes earlier. Far from nice, tranquil and quiet. 😀

            • Newiga

              You got the right idea! Turn up the volume!

            • Unfortunately lots of the dance music I like is filled with shots of women polishing the camera lens with their asses – for that I apologise…
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4PRkF3aZN8

            • Newiga

              Tell me about it.. That’s why I usually share lyric videos on Social Media… 😀 We could also chill on the West Coast just with volume turned up. 😉

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKxuiw3iMBE

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Oh, I had pressed the mute-button on my keyboard. I like me some vintage synth pop.

            • Newiga

              You are listening to Vikingarna! Admit it! “Tiotusen röööööööda rosor vill jag sänka dig!”

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Aaaaargh! No effing way! Stop with the Vikingarna! I think you actually secretly like them XD

            • Newiga

              xD My mom does and she traumatized me as a kid by listening to them on repeat!

            • what do you think of this?…
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPTTlIS8_g0

            • Newiga

              Sounds vaguely familiar but I don’t think I’ve heard this before. It was a Beach Boy-ish/surf musicish vibe, doesn’t it? I like it!

            • The whole album is good “Lives Of Angels Elevator To Eden 1986 Full Album”
              Some challenging eclectic tracks though.

            • Newiga

              I need to give it a listen. ^_^ Thanks for the tip.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I lived in the UK until mid-1984, so I may have heard this before. The guitar brings a lighter tone to a somewhat somber song. Nice tune.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        He is so young here. Didn’t recognize him. But you can’t mistake that voice.

        • The earlier vids of them on TOTP with Vince Clark before he left are a trip too.

  • Dave Reams

    Déja vu? Suspended in air watching special 3d motion pictures?

    “For those who live in Los Angeles and have $145-a-month to spare, you can get a membership at Beverly Hills’ new Dream Reality Cinema where, for 45 minutes, you’ll recline in a zero gravity chair while watching a 3-D film”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/29/could-hygge-help-cure-your-trump-anxiety-the-calming-lifestyle-trends-for-2017.html

    http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/dream_meditation_is_a_bit_of_a_snore

  • FredEX2
  • See you on the flipside!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    It’s one minute past, and no new post 🙁

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Oh, there we go.