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Tonight on ‘Leah Remini’: Marc & Claire Headley on forced abortions and Sea Org escapes

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Watching tonight’s fifth episode of A&E network’s Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, we kept thinking about how it’s really about time we re-read Marc Headley’s great 2009 escape narrative, Blown for Good.

In the second half of tonight’s episode, you’ll get a good sense of how Marc and his wife Claire Headley made their escapes from Scientology’s “Gold Base” near Hemet, California in January 2005, but for the full craziness of their lives at the base and how they managed to get away, you really should get a copy of Marc’s book. It’s the most fun to read of all the books that came out in a small wave by former Scientologists around that time, and part of that is because Marc is such a great storyteller.

But Claire really steals the spotlight when she brings up a subject Leah has been angling toward through the first half of her eight-episode special series: Forced abortions in the Sea Org. Now, Claire brings that subject into the open in a way that should shock viewers and crank up the outrage among an audience that, judging by their reactions on social media, has already been besides themselves with rage.

Claire featured prominently in a previous film about forced abortions in the Sea Org that was put together six years ago by the Tampa Bay Times. And the subject of the first half of tonight’s episode — about the propaganda spewed by Scientology at its own members at its annual events — has also been examined before. But once again, there’s something about the way Leah Remini brings the subject to the screen that makes it feel as compelling as if it were being revealed for the first time.

We do want to point out one thing to keep people from getting the wrong impression. It’s repeatedly mentioned in the episode that Marc and Claire sued the Church of Scientology over their treatment in the Sea Org, and lost. It’s said in a way as if they were actually apologizing for not having won, and the church itself certainly wants to give the impression that their loss in court is somehow a statement about their credibility.

But someone ought to point out — and we’ll go ahead and be the ones to do it — that if you read the actual appeals court decision that upheld the lawsuit’s dismissal, Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain of the Ninth Circuit says quite clearly that the Headleys did endure hardships that were almost hard to believe — but that their attorneys had sued under a law that perhaps wasn’t the best for the abuses the Headleys experienced. In other words, the Headleys lost purely for legal reasons, and not for factual ones. We think that’s pretty important to point out, and the Headleys certainly don’t have anything to apologize for.

Also new in this episode is Leah coming under surveillance herself. This is the episode when she went to Denver and was stalked by private investigators, one of whom we actually outed as a former disgraced Denver cop named Daril Cinquanta.

Now we get to see the private eyes scrambling as Mike Rinder gets in their faces and tries to get them to admit what they’re doing. It’s fun television. And Mike does all his own stunts!

Please join us in the comments section as the show airs tonight on A&E, and let’s live blog this thing like crazy.

 
PS: After watching the episode, we wanted to add one thing. One of the heroes of tonight’s dramatic story never actually appears onscreen. And so we’ll do it here.

 
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Bernie Headley, you are one of our personal heroes, and we’re damn glad we got to spend time with you last year when we visited Denver.

 
PPS: Here’s YouTube video of the superb Tampa Bay Times video about forced abortion in the Sea Org.

 

 
And here’s Mark Bunker’s interview of Gary “Jackson” Morehead, who said it was his job, as Scientology security, to coerce young Sea Org women into having abortions…

 

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on December 27, 2016 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • chukicita

    Don’t forget to click the heart.

  • Bernie’s post is a top one. I can go to bed now. Thank you all.

    • Newiga

      Good night, Dodo! xoxo

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      g’nite dodo!

  • DoveAlexa

    Right, some BS going down (I hope this embeds right)

    @SherryVanHoot @FreedomEthics @LeahRemini watch the show asshole that's why #ScientologyTheAftermath— Diane Carol (@DianeCarol2) 28 December 2016

  • madame duran
  • TickTockDave

    Good night to all the Bunkeroos. I didn’t get a chance to view the live blogging cuz a miracle happened. Mr. TTD actually watched tonite’s episode with me! (He tolerates my angry obsession.) Turns out he totally related to Marc’s experience with A/V Production nightmares for major events. Mr. TTD used to be responsible for similar events for a cult-like organization back in the 80s.

    I cried when Claire told her story. Mr. TTD got very quiet. I think the room got dusty on him.

    The Headleys are a wonderful family and they show that in the face of adversity…Love does persevere. Bless Marc’s dad, too.

    So thanks for the warm (and nekkid) welcome I received from everyone. I love the Bunker and I especially love Tony (but don’t tell him I said so). I’ll try and join in the comments whenever I can.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Don’t be a stranger. We hate one night stands around here.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Come on back when you can. The water’s always warm and the bar is always open.

  • DoveAlexa

    Hehehe! https://twitter.com/GrowingupinSCN/status/813975105869139968
    Someone new has entered the fight!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Go Aaron!

    • jazzlover

      It would appear that Ms. Hootenanny is quite the canuckleheaded tool. And she’s a trumpie too.

      • pluvo

        Ms. Hootenanny aka FreedomEthics is just OSA. One of the main catchwords (especially re Leah) are “hatred” and “$”.

        edit: oh, she is for real. is she a scio or just sympathizing with scio?

        • jazzlover

          That would explain it I guess. But does it explain the other stuff? My daughter actually asked me today how any female could possibly be on board with a Trump America. I honestly didn’t have an answer for her. I’m still trying to wrap my head around his daughter as the first lady.

          • JJ

            Some how those two go together in a really really sicko way. We have had pervs and bullies and morons in office before, but certifiable lunatics?

            • jazzlover

              Buckle up – we may be in the Twilight Zone ๐Ÿ™‚

            • JJ

              When I mention nuclear war and NSA taking him out before anything really bad happens people get nervous. WHAT are we supposed to think! THIS IS INSANE The whole planet thinks it is insane!

            • jazzlover

              It truly is. I keep hoping that it’s all just a bad dream. This neo-nazi undercurrent in the White House is the biggest joke of all. WTF. In all my life, scum or not, every President has at least tried to act in a way that made the office proud. It’s clear Trump is incapable of that. Somebody needs to take his dumb phone away pronto.

            • JJ

              Maybe it has all been simmering on the back burner. People who just lost their nut over Obama and the general more tolerant, open minded American society of the last 20 years… We are NOT going back to 1953 people, The Good Old Days were not that great for whole segments of our country.
              You know if they want a close minded, reactionary, ultra conservative, religion based society with truly barbaric practices in response to those who dare step out of line, Iran is an option. Wonder what the immigration status is for there..

            • jazzlover

              Amen. You’re absolutely right. Hopefully, enough people speak up, and there remains enough sensible politicians in the senate and house who are willing to be effective watchdogs.

            • JJ

              I don’t know if I have hope, we don’t turn on the news anymore. We used to watch Rachel Maddow every night, but have been sick and heart sore since the “election” we just don’t…

            • jazzlover

              “Abandon all hope ye who enter here” ๐Ÿ™‚ But seriously, we Americans have always been taught to believe that if we do our best, things will work out. Perhaps a little naive, but it may be all we got.

          • Frodis73

            This (nasty) woman does not have an answer either.

            • jazzlover

              My daughter told me she heard a few females explain it all away with “All guys talk like that about women”. Yikes.

            • JJ

              I’ve heard that one, and it isn’t enough. And would these same women allow that kind of male banter in say a black candidate for president?… Me thinks not.

            • jazzlover

              You’re probably right. The one semi-good thing about this is that it’s shown how far we haven’t come in terms of tolerance and civil rights.

            • JJ

              So much is tied up with a stagnant economy (for those of us not billionaires). That is one of the things they kept saying. So if Trump bring jobs to America and sprays Rustoleum on the rust belt and the unemployment rate drops to nil and people have good paying jobs with pensions and bennies… the bigotry goes away…right?

            • jazzlover

              LOL. “Money keeps me warm and makes me feel safe at night” said no one ever. I think that the less intelligent among us have found an easy target to blame for all their misfortunes. Lazy thinking is easy thinking.

            • JJ

              Blames easy. Getting up the next day and facing the shit storm and standing up for what is right is hard. But better to stand up where it is hard, then when it is impossible. Like after they have chopped us off at the knees, literally, figuratively….

          • pluvo

            The women have their priorities which fit into their mind set; I guess some incline to white supremacy stuff.

            • jazzlover

              Somehow that’s scarier to me. I tend to see women as possessing more maturity and sense than the average alpha male neanderthal.

            • JJ

              We do, generally, but there were female prison guards in the holocaust too. Maybe women have fewer options for violence based on size, physical strength and testosterone. Course look at Dm, he is a tiny toerag and he is an absolute bully.

            • pluvo

              The women in the Sea Org in the top positions are no less fierce than the men.

            • jazzlover

              True, but I am not equating fierce with stupid or “alpha maleness”. Smart and strong don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

    • pluvo
      • jazzlover

        So maybe OSA after all. I guess Aaron’s tweet makes more sense now.

        • pluvo

          OTVII and re-tweeting Scn’s site on her twitter account, and a full blown Trumpy.

          • jazzlover

            Do her insignificant darts earn her extra credit towards oatey 8?

        • Sunny

          Van Hootegem is maiden name of Nadine too (Tommy Davis’ first wife). The lady Sherry looks familiar. I am pretty sure it is Nadines mom, who is definitely a clam.

          • jazzlover

            I suppose it’s becoming more difficult for certain people to hide their true allegiances. Proof that Leah’s show is having a massive effect. Thanks for the explanation, Sunny.

  • madame duran
    • JJ

      The lavatory not an option?

  • PickAnotherID

    Note for A&E: How about a show on how the IRS is giving $cientology tax breaks no other religion in the US gets, and how they ignored the 1989 Supreme Court ‘Hernandez vs Commissioner’ decision https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/490/680/case.html when they came up with the 1993 ‘Closing Agreement’.

  • mockingbird

    Just finished tonight’s episode of Scientology and the Aftermath.

    I have always felt Marc Headley and Claire Headley have a truly remarkable and extreme ability to communicate ideas with clarity in a succinct manner to all audience members. In particular am referring to both the Scientology audience of Scientologists, independent Scientologists, freezoners and ex Scientologists AND the entire never in community from laymen that have never heard about Scientology or cults or abusive relationships or totalitarian mass movements to any degree to journalists that do their homework to academic experts, historians and therapists that specialize in cults.

    They both somehow endured the near absolute isolation of not just the Sea Org but the inner core of RTC and GOLD and were in for many years. That they came out with so much capacity for normal communication and easily demonstrated abilities like linear, rational, critical and independent thinking is truly astounding.

    It’s one thing to live through Scientology, but to be able to tell almost anyone else about it well is very unusual. I wish a larger project or ongoing one like a longer ongoing series or podcast could utilize their talents.

    Regarding David Miscavige, his PR nightmare escalates to affluence highest ever levels. He may be in worse shape than he even was when facing the IRS or Anonymous.

    More and more people learn the terrible truth about the crimes and abuses Scientology routinely commits. The situation is becoming more dire with each new episode of the show.

    It’s having a stronger effect than many earlier projects. I know a woman that read Going Clear and was aghast. She since seeing the first five episodes of the show has learned to accept the extreme abuse and fraud Scientology is made of. With each episode the boundaries of disgust and acceptance of the reality of evil in Scientology are expanded.

    By having the show air weekly it gives the audience time to be outraged, research if it fits their desire and then accept the dark reality. Then a week later do it again and again.

    For long time dedicated critics we often know the story that will appear on the show but also know millions of new people will see it for the first time. Think about a couple million new people learning every week. Think about some of them being cops, lawyers, judges, politicians and the creeping paranoia David Miscavige experiences should also be in affluence highest ever.

    OSA members my advice is leave Scientology as quickly as possible.

    • JJ

      It won’t be paranoia much longer. They really are coming to get you David. But it is your own fault.
      Getting the IRS boon was a big big deal, losing it would be, well, literally exponentially damaging to Scientology. “Done Sir!” You said it.

    • TrishRan

      When I think of people like Marc & Claire Headley, or TomDeVogt, or Mike RInder, I see so much brain power, talent and willingness to work, and years of life, that is misdirected away from being a contribution to their families and to the larger community.

      That these people, and others I haven’t named, are working not just to free individuals from COS, but helping us learn how such organizations divert/pervert the efforts and intentions of good people, is a credit to them, and a contribution to society in its own right.

  • JaxNGold

    Just got my son to bed and rushed to watch tonight’s episode — thank you DVR! Five minutes in and I’m in stitches watching Leah mock the $cientology propaganda event videos:

    “..The horses…galloping!” (waving hands in galloping fashion…LOL)
    “Look at this shit!…like, we’re doing some shit, man!”
    “We’re slaying the dragons…look at us!”

    The way she said it had me on the floor. I literally had to remind it five times. Funny as all hell!

  • JJ

    If absolute power corrupts absolutely, what is responsible for the endlessly tacky, aesthetically un pleasing showmanship of the parades, balloon fests, parties, showcases and extravaganzas that look like a cross between a cocaine fueled bachelor party at Caesars and a Tupperware party?

    • Ella Raitch

      Lots of $ + no taste ?

      • JJ

        I know… but I want to blame somebody….

    • TrishRan

      absolute tastelessness debauches absolutely

  • Newiga

    Off to work. Thank you for hanging out and live-blogging. x

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Stay awake, sweet pea!

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Okay people, I have two dogs under the blanket with me and they’re taking me down with them. LOL See you in the AM. ๐Ÿ˜Š

    Geaux Leah, Mike & team.

  • DoveAlexa

    https://twitter.com/chely_arte85/status/813978459831562240
    This reminds me of how they’ve been targeting the spanish speaking community in LA, since they have less information about the cult in their language, making them easier targets. Also people in Russia and other eastern european countries, etc etc.
    I hope for at least subtitles versions, soon?

    • JJ

      At least as Scientology is a global scam… They may not need it in Hungarian however.

      • DoveAlexa

        Just for fun then ๐Ÿ˜›

    • madame duran

      I’ve requested A&E to add subtitles/captions. I’ve seen other people tweet the same thing. I hope they do it for all the episodes of the second season (don’t question it…I believe THERE WILL BE A SECOND SEASON). A guaranteed ratings hit is in its hands.

    • Ella Raitch

      Then Russian, then whatever brand of Chinese they speak in Taiwan

  • madame duran
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      DM could come hide out in this bunker, heh heh heh.

  • Frodis73

    The good news is that I did not see the usual lame tweets from JAW, his Twit or any of the hate accounts.
    I cannot wait to watch this tomorrow. I finally got to watch all of the earlier episodes yesterday and they are great. This series is doing so much damage. Off to try and get some sleep, g’night Bunker.
    eta-Companies advertising on twitter are adding the scientologytheaftermath hashtag to tweets to get more eyes on their products. lol

  • TexasBroad

    You don’t have the f’ng rank…pppfffffttttt. Leah has all the rank!

    DM’s ‘rank’ is a pretense, a charade, an illusion, a con. Anywhere outside the bubble of Scientology, he is not a leader, but a fraud. Outside of Scientology, he is not respected, but disdained.

    DM has no rank in the world outside Scientology. DM’s mighty rank is fragile and becoming more and more so every day.

    • EmmaDaoust

      rank
      1: luxuriantly or excessively vigorous in growth
      2: offensively gross or coarse : foul
      3 obsolete : grown too large
      4a : shockingly conspicuous <must lecture him on his rank disloyalty
      b : outright โ€”used as an intensive <rank beginners
      5 archaic : lustful, ruttish
      6: offensive in odor or flavor; especially : rancid
      7: putrid, festering

      • DoveAlexa

        Laughing so much now!

      • TexasBroad

        #2 & #3 – I stand corrected. He ranks.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Oh yes indeed.

        • Missionary Kid

          When you say that someone ranks, that means that they have status, but if you say they are rank, it means definition #2.

          In the first example, rank is a verb. In the second, it is an adjective. That’s all off the top of my head, so if I’m wrong, someone please correct me.

    • JJ

      He also has a 9th grade education, no employable skills and a chip on his shoulder. When he gets out of prison, who is gonna be his job source helping him make his way back into society ( 2038)?

      • DoveAlexa

        His liver won’t last that long.

      • PickAnotherID

        “…gets out of prison…”, Bubba ain’t gonna let that happen.

        • Chewkacca

          He’ll earn some new nicknames: Bubba’s bitch, Leroy’s lay, Mohammed’s momma. AAAROOOUGH!

    • Missionary Kid

      Lil Davy is rank, as in stinky.

      • Juicer77

        Worse than a dumpster full of crab shells in a Baltimore summer.

  • littlefish

    Leah is great, but I think Mike might be the hidden gem of this whole program. His totally Australian no-nonsense approach is so genuine and I think will get through to any UTR.

    Also it’s very surreal seeing them in my home town.

    And this PI shit is stressing me out.

    • littlefish

      Also – they were staying at an amazing hotel. I hope that Mike & Leah got to eat at some good restaurants in Denver.

    • littlefish

      Also – Colorado would be much richer to have Mike & Christine as residents.

    • pluvo

      Leah and Mike compliment each other perfectly and together are a 1000 volt power-duo.

      I hope DM is rueing the day he treated them badly.

    • TrishRan

      I really admire Mike because he is facing head-on the very real harm that no one would blame him for fleeing. When he was crying with Mary Kahn, it was obvious he was crying for her and her family’s hurt.

  • Marc Headley

    Oh well, looks like I am still in Twitter Jail for too many tweets and likes. Will catch up in AM. Thanks to all those that watched. I think we might be scratching the surface of the beast. Little by little we will get there.
    Ok Bunker – I am out.

    • TexasBroad

      Thank you Marc and Claire for your strong voices. I hope sales for Blown For Good goes crazy. It was special that you were here tonight.

      • Juicer77

        ^^^

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ridiculous, especially given all the crazy shit Twitter lets through on a regular basis. So glad you and Claire got to tell your story on Leah’s show. It deserved to be heard far and wide. Thanks for everything you guys do. Come back and hang out with us again!

  • Dave Reams

    I don’t understand Scientology’s policy of “discouraging” Sea Org members from building strong families and having lots and lots of children. If this had started in the ’60’s, we would now be in the 3rd generation of exponential growth of thouroughly indoctrinated Hubbardnaughts. While true, the 3 or 4 days of work leave for childbirth would impact productivity in the short term – this is truly a short sided strategy.

    Scientology’s policies contrast sharply with most other groups of super humans and godly devined races throughout history who have sought global domination not only through violence but also through breeding. Among the most colorful of these were the Nazis. Their elite spiritual fellowship, the SS, had breeding centers and encouraged and facilitated their members to, uhhm, use their “members” to spread their super human seed widely into their wives and also their SS provided Aryan mistresses in Germany and the conquered lands. In general German women were exhorted to fulfil their supreme duty to the master race and produce many children. Mothers were even awarded medals for their efforts.

    • Dave Reams
      • TrishRan

        I think it was meant to mimic the Iron Cross (a military honor that predates the National Socialists), to create an association in the minds of the German public between service via the military and service via motherhood.

        Perhaps SmellRon decided to mimic the Iron Cross as well.

    • Draco

      The problem was not just “lost productivity” for parents. The children of the Sea Org were neglected and weren’t considered important enough to be looked after properly. This became a public relations problem. I agree it was most certainly very short sighted of them NOT to make this an important part of their expansion. But those at the top – LRH and DM, just saw them as a nuisance that cost money. Money which should be going to the top. I don’t think either of them were concerned about what happened after their life times to scientology.

      • Dave Reams

        Perhaps this is more evidence that Ron did not believe his own BS and that he was content to exploit the “natives” who “worshipped the man like a god and followed his orders no matter how ridiculous”?

        • Draco

          I think so.

        • scottmercer

          Apocalypse Now. Just watched the Blu Ray a few days ago.

        • Rita G

          I think Ron was an expert at his own “doublethink”.

          douยทbleยทthink
          หˆdษ™bษ™lหŒTHiNGk/
          noun
          noun: doublethink; noun: double-think
          the
          acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs
          at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

          • Dave Reams

            Oh, so you are saying that two Rons make a right?

            • Rita G

              LOL!

        • TrishRan

          Or maybe he thought his “church” would be as big as the Catholic church and could also afford to throw away the fertility of the most dedicated members.

          • Dave Reams

            It must have been intoxicating to have gone from disgraceful navy officer to hapless flim flam man to owning a mansion in England, a fleet of large ships, a vast loon base with film studios in California – surrounded all the while by adulation and rapt attention by adherents round the globe … and a little boy dressed in hot pants, a halter top and fฮผยฉ#-you pumps at his feet.

            • TrishRan

              indeed

  • madame duran
  • Ella Raitch

    ThDNE/Moxie Magee all over twitter – like a boss

    https://twitter.com/MoxieMagee/status/814000600757243904

    • Newiga

      THDNE <3 Sending her love and virtual hugs! Hope you are doing well, girl and enjoying the holiday.

    • Juicer77

      So many Ex’s lending a hand to testify in the court of public opinion. Facts. Well done.

    • Rita G

      I just re-read ‘1984’. Scientology certainly has many things in common with it.

  • madame duran
    • Draco

      I don’t think it began it, by any measure, but it certainly has accelerated it.

      The fall of scientology was begun by those early posters who were brave enough to speak out with no visible support system in place. Everything else has been built on that. We owe much to them and they should not be forgotten.

  • Mat Pesch

    Fantastic job!!! The show really covered a lot of important issues.

  • Missionary Kid

    It could be said that I am not in favor or against abortions because I am a man. I believe in a woman’s right to choose, freely and un-coerced.

    I also would be more charitable towards the “right to life” crowd, except that too many of them are against any birth control except for the rhythm method.

    What do you call couples that use the rhythm method? Parents.

    • TrishRan

      Glad to see your nuanced view. I don’t think men should be excluded from the conversation because men live with the results of pregnancy, too. For many years, I’ve believed that there should be an opportunity for a man to choose to not participate in raising a child, to parallel a woman’s right to choose to not gestate/raise a child, and that there’s something not right about a woman saying at first “I want to raise the kid on my own” and then after a year or two slam the guy for “back child support” and turn him into a criminal.

      Other complications of the issue of abortion/birth control: no birth control has a 100% success rate (even for “perfect use”, unlikely for 40+ years of fertility) even those who use birth control without mistakes would have statistically 1-2 conceptions while using birth control per woman; some medications like antibiotics can block birth control pills; sometimes a woman is able to conceive but not carry a pregnancy to term perhaps due to damage or deformity of the uterus. And when you consider the huge number of fertilized eggs that don’t implant, don’t stick long enough to be noticed or miscarry later, it seems the most common outcome of fertilization is not a baby, which undermines the religious arguments against abortion, at least to me.

  • madame duran

    Kirstie Alley has been BUSY blocking a ton of people on Twitter since the Aftermath docuseries began. Everyone is either disgusted with her cult enabling or mocking her lack of confront against criticism of Scientology. She might not be watching Leah Remini on TV but she can’t say she never heard about it!! Entheta tsunami!! LOL!!

    https://twitter.com/CanWillhite/status/814016548528652288

    • Juicer77

      Good. If you believe in it, stand up for it. Don’t run like a coward.

      • Newiga

        Exactly. The truth needs no defending. If Scientology is so great, why does she run and hide?

    • Newiga

      #confrontandshatter #scientologyworksandhelpspeople

    • TrishRan

      Whose body is her face pasted onto?

  • Juicer77

    Greetings to all. More family doings today. ๐Ÿ™‚ Hope all are well and happy.
    PS Sending love to Carrie Fisher’s family. An amazing woman gone too soon.

  • /r/ rutube ๐Ÿ˜›

  • GrangerFX

    After reading today’s episode (you guys are awesome) I have to say that Scientology bears a much closer resemblance to an organized crime syndicate than a religion. The California Attorney General should have a close look at this organization. This kind of activity should not be permitted in the state of California.

    • Mark Foster

      ALERT: THERE WILL BE A DELAY IN THE DELIVERY OF YOUR BIG PHARMA/ SMERSH / CRUSH WANKER DAVE AND big thetan ASSOCIATES, LLC paychecks this week, but ALL OF YOU PROFESSIONAL ANTI-SCIENTOLOGISTS WILL RECEIVE A BIG CASH BONUS AND A BAG OF WEED FOR YOUR STRAIGHT-UP-AND-VERTICAL STATS in 2016!
      Thank you. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming…

  • Jack99

    When the church crumbles, hopefully next year, Leah and Mike should continue the show.
    As private detectives or antique dealers, something, doesn’t matter.

    • scottmercer

      Private detectives who hunt down stolen antiques!

      • Jack99

        I’d watch that!

    • TrishRan

      I would love to see them investigate Islamic political ideology

  • Good Morning Bunker.

    • Shamwari

      Just finished catching up on this live blogging – and must say thank you for your posts. Awesome.

  • Juicer77

    Belated CONGRATULATIONS to Bunkerball champion Natleficent! ๐Ÿ™‚
    Btw, in my family league I lost the championship to my BIL. First time I got so far, so still chuffed. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Newiga

      Is this the football thinggy? ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Yep

        • Newiga

          ๐Ÿ˜€ Thought so. I heard about it in Amsterdam. *coughsoccerwhichisactuallyfootballrulescough*

      • Juicer77

        Yes ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Mark Foster

      Love the UK slang: chuffed, knobhead, tosser, wanker, tip, barmy, arsed, bodge, bollocks, cock up, cracking, drop a clanger, duffer…
      And so on and so forth…

      • Newiga

        I adore the UK slang. <3 You listed many of my favorites. ๐Ÿ˜› Also: pillock, cheeky monkey, lush, etc. I know many others but my mind working in Finnish at the moment. My ex-boss (who is a Londoner) used to say: "Toss off you bloody Muppets" when he got angry. :'D

        • UK slang really is the Mutt’s Nuts!

        • Mark Foster

          And Finnish! Itยดs a pixie language! Love it:)

          • Newiga

            Kiitos! ๐Ÿ˜‰ Suomi on kaunis kieli.

        • Newiga

          “Lovely jubbly”, “BEJESUS” *sigh* I miss my ex-boss.

        • Robert Eckert

          You can work your way up to Scottish: Awa’ wi’ ye, gae bile yer eed!

          • Newiga

            I love Scottish! The singer of my favorite band is Scottish.

  • DexterSka

    I’m amazed, I found out what they do when a girl gets pregnant but still have no idea what the Sea Org does when someone dies.

    • ha ha…. sorry ๐Ÿ™

    • StudentOfLife

      I suspect we are all going to find out that this aspect of LieIntology alone will cause a public outroar. The current human trafficking of immigrants to the USA that is going on is bad enough but the abuse of what happens to those who have “accidents” or become ill or age beyond being able to work 100 hour work weeks, or whatever reason that makes stats go down, is simply horrific from what I have learned as a never-in. In my nearly two years tracking the Bunker, I’ve learned why so many always say “it’s always worse than you think.” I’ve come to learn that the more you dig in this evil cult, the more skeletons you find.

      • Draco

        He SOL – how was your CW adventure?

        • StudentOfLife

          I am driving down there today as I picked up some tennis students in Georgia as word spreads I moved here and many players are on vacation from school.. I have a 7 hour drive to Clearwater today and will go to visit the bulidings on Friday more than likely if not tomorrow. Will report back with pics.

  • DexterSka

    Jimminy, wouldn’t it be nice if judges didnt throw out lawsuits if the lawyers make mistakes? Wouldn’t it be nice if they helped serve justice?

    • Draco

      Crazy, isn’t it? The most senior person in the room has to just go along with the mistakes of the others.

      • DexterSka

        Ooh, you missed a period. Case dismissed!

  • Mark Foster

    Dice posted this earlier, but I am re-posting here and will do so again on the new blog for Wednesday:
    http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/exclusives/aftermath-letters

  • Whitney

    I just did a search for recaps of last night’s show and I only found one. That’s pretty odd really considering the number of people watching. The press seems to be backing away from reporting about the show

  • Sejanus

    This is compellling stuff and Leah and Mike have made the series a must have and watch.
    Hoping it gets released on home media.
    The information is done in a way to make the entire subject accessible even to those with no knowledge of the myriad ins and outs of the cul…er…organization.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Oh Dave. It must be torture, huh?

    All those years of sucking up to that old fart Ron. The years of lying, cheating and conning people to try and cover up your inadequacies. Years of never having an actual friend….not one.

    Here’s the thing: Exposure is a bitch. It’s clear to me Leah intends on getting this conversation into political circles. This weekly ass-pounding you guys are taking is going to cause some politician somewhere, to make a statement. Why? Because that saucy little bitch is going to be sitting in front of them asking, “How can you let this happen on your watch”?

  • UhLasare

    Such a good, but heartbreaking episode. Thank you for speaking out, Headleys.

  • aurora50

    ‘But once again, thereโ€™s something about the way Leah Remini brings the
    subject to the screen that makes it feel as compelling as if it were
    being revealed for the first time.’

    It seemed, according to some of Mike Rinder’s comments, that she was understanding the depth of the depravity of her ‘cherch’ for the first time…and it was reflected in her face and demeanor.

    This series is going to be studied as an exemplar of its type in journalism school!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    If Miscavige gloats over winning on a technicality in the Headley case, I am sure he will not mind if we remind the world that he has lost “bigly” in the Laura DeCrescenzo litigation, at the trial court, both Caifornia courts of appeal, and at the Supreme Court. He also lost on multiple matters in the Monique Rathbun case before it was withdrawn. There is only one description that accurately defines Miscavige in 2016, “My, how the un-mighty have fallen.”

  • Just in case the “church” tries to defend its Sea Org abortion policy I’ll throw this in. I dated Mary Sue Hubbard’s former “communicator” (secretary) and best friend, Nikki Merwin, for a good while. Nikki was a beautiful and gracious woman, a little older than me, that I might have married except I wanted to have kids. When she was on the Apollo married to Rick Merwin, who ran Estates for Elwrong and bought the old Cedars of Lebananon (now “the Complex”) for the cult, Nikki had three abortions. She and Rick had dinner with the Hubbards most nights on the ship. So if anyone ever tells you Elwrong was against abortions because of what he wrote in Dianetics, that’s bullshit. I was horrified that Nikki had so many abortions.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

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  • TrishRan

    The Headleys’ case is one that illustrates a problem I have with how our courts & federal government interpret the first amendment. It seems to me that it was intended to protect the individual from being forced to cooperate with/give lip service to any religion that person didn’t want to associate with. Fine. But now we have churches – organizations, not individuals – claiming “first amendment rights”, which end up with the government siding with a church against an individual, as happened in the Headleys’ case. Where are the “constitutional originalists” and why aren’t they decrying decisions such as this?

  • Well golly, guess the cult wanted to share the spotlight with another evil oppressive organizaiton of bigots and not be all alone in the hot glare of vicious public opinion. http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/church-of-scientology-slams-ae-network-escaping-the-kkk-leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath-1201949243/

    • TrishRan

      Quick, look over there!

  • Gus_Cox

    Bernie Headley, Fuck Yeah!