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Scientology’s richest couple buys ‘Holy City,’ a California ghost town and former cult site

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Bob and Trish Duggan are the proud new owners of a pretty spectacular 142-acre parcel in California near Los Gatos, and we can’t wait to find out what they plan to do with it.

The Duggans are Scientology’s richest couple, and our readers are very familiar with them. In January, we wrote about the Duggans receiving their latest trophy for their donations to the International Association of Scientologists. A new “status” had to be invented for them because they’ve given so much more than anyone else in church history. This time, they were dubbed “Diamond Invictus,” and we estimated that it was for donating about $70 million — and that’s not counting the millions more the couple has given for numerous Scientology building projects around the world.

But Bob and Trish can afford it. According to Forbes, Bob is worth $3.2 billion and is the 638th richest man in the world. He built that fortune largely on the spectacular stock market success of a cancer drug he helped bring to market.

And now, he’s making news in California for buying a somewhat legendary tract of land that had been on the market for a decade. Ten years ago, the Holy City parcel was put up for sale at $10 million. But the Duggans got a steal, paying about $6 million for a great spread of land just off Highway 17, the road between Santa Cruz and Los Gatos.

 
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It’s land that has a storied history. In the 1920s, it was the site of a religious commune run by William E. Riker, a religious charlatan and white supremacist who fleeced his flock with the best of them.

“He bilked his people to fund his shangri-la,” said one local who was interviewed by the San Francisco CBS station about the sale.

Hey, Scientology would feel right at home!

We can’t help wondering if Duggan will end up carving out at least part of the parcel for a Scientology drug rehab, or a retreat for stashing away church wives, or maybe just a place for raising wayward boys.

Of course, the Duggans may just carve up Holy City for expensive homes and a golf course or something. But we’d love to hear your ideas for how David Miscavige and Scientology might benefit from taking over “Holy City.”

Here’s the CBS station’s report on the sale…

 

 
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GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

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  • flyonthewall

    how many sound f/x will the audio version have and will it be avail on wax cylinders?

    • Jimmy3

      I’m expecting the slide whistle to be prominently featured.

      • flyonthewall

        this audiobook needs more tuba! toooobabababaaaaaa

        • April

          And cowbells. Always need more cowbells.

          • $cnmonkeyrob$

            Duck quack… don’t forget the duck quack–can’t do anything without it…

  • villagedianne

    I’ve heard actors who do audio books say that it is much harder than people think. Hang in there Tony.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I give good phone but reading a book into a machine seems so different.

    • flyonthewall

      your mom gives good phone

      • beauty for ashes

        My mom does too, oh wait.

        • flyonthewall

          *high five*

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Wow, that really hurts Fly, not. My Mum never has time to talk on the phone. It’s like she’ll call and she starts a five min. stopwatch. “Must Go. love you” click.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    The Duggan-purchased Holy City will be donated to the Church of Spiritual Technology. The land will be used to build a nuclear proof vault to store the Scientology Policy Directives, speeches, and private COB Advices on stainless steel plates inside of titanium safes.

    This new COB-CST Vault is needed, once again, to address the Founder’s shortsighted ways. It is not enough to store the Founder’s words in nuclear proof vaults. Seriously, what do the Founder’s words alone give you in a post-nuclear dystopia? Where is the money? Thus, the COB-CST vault will provide COB’s Tech of:

    1. Linking OT Eligibility to ever-increasing IAS Statuses.

    2. The specifications necessary to make trophies and framed certificates using rudimentary materials such as tree bark and rocks.

    3. The specifications necessary to manufacture festive and highly overstylized podia, stage sets, confetti, and confetti cannon.

    4. The full hat of how to fundraise for Ideal Orgs. After all, a nuclear apocalypse is hardly a reason to stop the goal to make all Orgs ideal.

    5. Ecclesiastical Pompadour Tech: How to use natural unguents such as beaver fat to give your hair the body, sheen, and uplift needed for true ecclesiastical pompadourness.

    There are many other COB instructions. Essentially, dramatizing a nuclear Armageddon is no reason to stop the straight up and vertical expansion of Scientology.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Also: Secret insider wife disappearance technology, with various adaptation and decision trees for different eras of technological advancement.

      “Selling your wife and offspring for fun and profit in a post-apocalyptic society.”

      “Musical chairs ecclesiastical technology when there is no music and no chairs.”

      “Podium construction for dummies.”

      “Dowsing for engrams: How to use found objects as emeter talismans.”

      “The demon haunted world: Getting back to the real body thetan basics.”

      “Purification after the end of the world: Why we grow tobacco.”

    • Draco

      No worries, 8. Considering that there are by now at least 100,000,000 scientologists scattered across the planet, and they will all certainly survive the Nuclear Armageddon because they did their Purification Rundowns numerous times (number of times over = certainty), and guess what? Every scientologist worthy of the name has at least 20 sets of the basics locked up in their garages.
      The teck will NEVER be lost. CoB be praised!!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      One can only hope that someone with foresight throws in some flint and steel, along with some freeze-dried rations, before the door slams for good…after all, you can’t eat a stainless steel CoB salad 😉

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’ve missed you, you drunk SOB. 😀

    • Michelle

      They will need permits from the city to do all this work. They will need to submit a master plan to the building department and I have no idea which county Holy City is in but this is not going to be an easy or over night task…and major safety concern as well if everything you have mentioned is true. What about an environmental study and earthquake fault study etc etc. The Santa Cruz Mtns. have faults running through them so …. idk the Duggans must have considered all these issues before buying such a massive piece of land.

  • Lucille Austero

    There is a much better William Riker. And he is not infested with body thetans! Bonus! 👽👽👽

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Yea, but there is that annoying tilt to the head.

      • DoveAlexa
        • Graham

          Never noticed that before!

          • DoveAlexa

            AND NOW YOU NEVER WON’T AGAIN! MWAHAHAHAA!

        • gtsix

          The actor has a back injury, and this is one way he deals with it. It is also why he is constantly seen with one leg propped up, or leaning against something. He can’t stand for long periods, so these positions allowed him to continue filming on schedule.

          • DoveAlexa

            At least all the chairs are about as high as the ones I had in Kindergarten. Seriously, who are those for? The future is made for Peter Dinklage.

        • I do that (when it isn’t a crowded place). Never noticed it in the series though…

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        I have that annoying head tilt too. Back in the ’70s I worked in an office on a phone for years. There were no headsets then so I had the thing held in between my cheek and shoulder while I wrote in the files. No computers either. This went on for so many years I still have a slight tilt.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      With my Star Trek modern weapons on the shelf you can see I had my sheleighly and elephant prod handy. (F5)

      • LOL Oh my god. Post this on Facebook

      • Ella Raitch

        This is pure gold! Thank you for listening sharing

        …oh…and – hey, girl!

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          ,, hey Klingon girl.

      • April

        Dayum! That’s hot….and I don’t mean the elephant prod.

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          Yeah, that sheleighly is pretty cool. When I was in England years ago I knew an Irish girl who had her brother, who was back in Ireland, make it for me. It’s a real Irish made weapon. The elephant prod I bought off an elephant boy while we rode the elephant up the mountain. By the time we’d reached the top I was the proud owner of an ornately designed artifact.

      • Me, freshman year of high school on Halloween
        F5

        • daisy

          Dora !!!

      • daisy

        I had no idea there were so many sci-fi nerds, let alone in one place. You do look fine in the outfit though.

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          Many years ago, but thanks.

  • Ninara Poll

    Who owns the water rights for the land? Any juicy mineral rights? Graveyard rights? Methinks, given this is Cal-ee-forn-I-ay, it’s more about rights than the actual land? {Edited to include non-water rights}

    • Robert Eckert

      I believe it’s in the watershed of the Lexington Reservoir, which ran so low during the late drought that the drowned ghost town of Lexington started to become visible again. The state is very strict about any interference with flow into that reservoir which limits development around there (my archenemy from my time there, whom I generally referred to as Psycho Bitch from Hell, finally got her comeuppance for water theft).

  • jazzlover

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/trump-tower-climber/

    roflmao. I wonder if this is a Hillary supporter.

  • Jeb Burton

    My dream is to buy a ghost town. And I always wanted to be a religious charlatan and white supremacist who bilks people out of their hard earned money. But DM already has that job, and I’m nothing but a bleeding heart liberal. Maybe in my next life.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    ‘Holy City’? That name! Is it just me and my R6 implant or ……….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jXxagNjvU

    • flyonthewall

      in arabic Jerusalem is called al-Quds.

  • Kim O’Brien

    So far …this is my favorite audio book …. but i am willing to rethink ( refresh )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDGKK6y8OtQ

  • Asillem4

    One way to make an eBook a best seller is to either give it away or only charge $0.99 for it.

    • flyonthewall

      how can it be a best”seller” if instead of “selling” it you give it away for free? If you give it away wouldn’t it be a best giveawayer or something

      • aegerprimo

        Good point!

      • Asillem4

        Amazon secret! When I get a free Kindle book, I have to BUY it for $0.00.
        Shows up as a purchase.

    • $cnmonkeyrob$

      I wouldn’t download it if they paid me $10.

    • Kestrel

      “Pulse-pounding mile-a-minute Sci-Fi action that does not stop.”

      Unless I’m on roller skates, 60 miles an hour is not going to pound my pulse.

  • FredEX2

    I was just thinkin. What if they’re planning to build a REAL ‘Wayward Pines’. 😳

    • flyonthewall

      they already did, it’s called Cleveland.

  • flyonthewall

    and now some asshole named Steve is climbing Trump Tower with suction cups. God bless that stupid stupid asshole

    https://www.rt.com/usa/355452-trump-tower-man-climbs/

    • Kim O’Brien

      because there is a god ….the guys name is actually ( this is true )

      Leven Thumps

      • flyonthewall

        Important question – is he autistic?

        • Kim O’Brien

          I am not sure , but i hope he has some support around him …he seems a bit troubled in the video ..and he seems like just a kid . My chest hurts
          ( refresh )

          http://www.mediaite.com/online/this-why-i-climbed-your-tower-video-message-to-trump-appeared-online-yesterday/

          • flyonthewall

            Thanks for that. Well, he’s encouraging people to vote for Trump so he must be somewhere on the spectrum or at least have some kind of mild organic brain damage

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              *ahemonkey’sonthespectrumahem*

            • daisy

              Anybody on the autism spectrum still probably know not to support Trump. Not sure what spectrum red neck or Trump admirers fall on..

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              I sincerely hope so–I can tell you from experience that trying to understand the world of the neurotypical can be a confusing, stressful, discombobulating and anxiety inducing experience for the average autistic person (it’s a spectrum, so different people react very differently in any given situation). My personal bêtes noires are [loud high] ambient noise [levels] and large groups… I go and hide somewhere quiet for an hour![Edit &TA]

            • daisy

              You must of disappeared on occasion at Howdycon. Good for you challenging yourself. I dislike big groups too. Noise I am used to.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              During the drinks do on Friday evening, I disappeared into my room for an hour (during which time everyone else transferred from the HC BaseCamp Suite to a conference room!), to get a bit of space… don’t get me wrong, everyone was really nice and friendly, but the numbers and noise level just got a little too much… and… disappearing monkey!

            • flyonthewall

              If you hadn’t told me you had autism I would never had known. My nephew is autistic and is not high functioning at all. Kind of like a 2yr old in an 8yr old body.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              I wasn’t diagnosed until I was 34 (6 years ago) and it was a kind of “Ohhhh!” moment because it did explain a lot of my traits, and yes I’m fortunate in that I don’t exhibit some of the more challenging behaviours that might have led to an earlier diagnosis. Thing is, when I was a child, ‘high functioning autism’ was just a bunch of syllables and the teachers branded me as lazy… I also went to one of the kinds of English Boarding schools–where the motto tends to be “Conform or Die” (or variations therof in Latin) which did help me a great deal with social skills (for all that I hated my stuck-up, cliquey, bullying fellow inmates). I’m very sorry to hear about your nephew–it must be very difficult for the parents, particularly when an 8-year-old body has a 2-year-old tantrum. I hope they have all the support they need. It was the thought of the large Father’s Day crowds that kept me away from Cedar Point on the Sunday during HC.

            • daisy

              Many autistic diagnoses are newly diagnosed today because of advancements in genetic and medical science. My niece has fragile x syndrome which was diagnosed as a vague learning disability. When she had children , 2 of her kids were diagnosed with it. That is when she was diagnosed at just about your age. Luckily there has been advancement in the early treatment of autism . It is frustrating living with any kind of neurotypical challenges so a big high five to those who navigate their waters . A big hug for how you handle it with such grace.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              Sorry to hear about your neice and hope she and her children are doing ok. Thank you daisy 🙂 ((hugs)) back

            • daisy

              They are doing great. She found a pretty great hubby to help her. I get the occasional trip to the water park when they are in town.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              Good. Glad she and her son have the support they need (and you get the occasional water-park trip 🙂 )

            • flyonthewall

              I’m very grateful you muscled through and posted these thoughtful responses. Thank you Monkey, you’re a gentleman.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              No probs fly-glad you were able to put up with the (dare I say it… ) comm lag ;). It helps me hugely to explain to others the issues that face someone on the spectrum, day-to-day–as I want to be an autism awareness trainer for the workplace, and this is excellent practice-thank you. It was also great to meet you and the X-chromosome (your good self excluded, naturally {because you have a Y} 🙂 ) contingent of the Clan Fly at HowdyCon, however briefly, and you and Fly Lady can be very proud of your wonderful {monkeyspeak for quiet and well-behaved!… at least when I was around… } larvae :)PS monkey shaving Friday… pics to follow…

            • lynn

              “autism awareness trainer for the workplace”..good luck in that endeavor, it is one that is sorely needed…especially now when so many are/will be working age. My daughter is lucky, she works for a chain of drugstores with local managers that take great steps in accommodating her. I’m positive that if it wasn’t for their understanding & ability to recognize her strengths and weaknesses, she wouldn’t have been able to work the years she has.

            • Kestrel

              You hid it well at HowdyCon.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              Thanks, Kestrel–I came to HowdyCon as a personal challenge, first time I’ve ever travelled on my own (and organised flights and hotels myself too–which is why I didn’t know until six weeks before the event that I was even coming!). And there were definitely some autistic moments, too! (see my respose to daisy)

            • Kestrel

              I never would have known had you not just revealed that. Congratulations on how you responded to your personal challenge!

            • flyonthewall

              ” understand the world of the neurotypical can be a confusing, stressful, discombobulating and anxiety inducing experience ”

              Maybe I’m autistic too bc I feel this way often 😉 That’s why I prefer interacting w/people online over real life

            • Kestrel

              I have problems talking with people, too. Too bad there’s not a reasonably-priced communication course out there…

            • daisy

              lol

            • flyonthewall

              or at least an over priced staring contest

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              It’s entirely possible… many people are undiagnosed (and estimates potentially put the numbers at about 1 in every 100 people are on the spectrum to some degree), so there are huge swathes that might be on the spectrum, but have coping strategies that enable them to operate (for want of a better word) ‘normally’. I am more communicative on here too (and I very much regret not being able to chat with you at any great length at HC) than I am IRL, but find the actual process of creating the post quite wearing and very laborious (because I keep redrafting–and at least 50% of my responses to people never even see the light of day at all, for fear of striking the wrong tone). This particular message has taken about 15 minutes to write!

            • Ella Raitch

              Well now that you’ve got this out there I look forward to hearing more from you – bugger the tone!

            • OOkpik

              I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Throw in a little dyslexia and you are describing me to a T. It never occurred to me that others here have these same challenges, and certainly not you. ((hugs))
              P.S. This simple comment has taken me almost 1/2 hour and I’m not sure if I will post it.
              *deep breath*
              Post as OOkpik . . . *poke*

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              I understand–sometimes just knowing that others have similar experiences can be a relief ((hugs)) (that feeling of “Oh good! It’s not just me then.” 🙂 ) In terms of communication, I find face-to-face is easiest (although I tend to avoid eye contact, looking around someone’s face and the surroundings, and if it’s noisy will lip-read), then skype/phone and finally text-based. Text has the least amount of emotional ‘context’, which means I have to spend more time ‘decoding’ it into monkey and back!PS I had difficulty spelling for a long while, too… until I learned to cheat and break the words up into syllables, which seemed to work 🙂

            • OOkpik

              Thanks for taking the time to reply.

              (Edited here to remove personal stuff.)

              The Bunker has allowed me to “speak” and interact with a great selection of diverse personalities; to laugh, cry, learn and participate. For that I am most grateful. Thanks for being an important part of the Bunker experience, Monkey. <3 <3

              PS: No need to respond. An up-vote (or down-vote­­­­­­) will let me know you heard me. 🙂

            • jazzlover

              How did you handle Howdy Con?

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              With great care and planning! 🙂 it was why I arrived on the Wednesday evening, so I’d have plenty of time to ‘get used to’ the surroundings and spy out the quickest monkey-runs back to my suite 🙂 (it was also how I was able to be waiting for TexasBroad in the lobby when she arrived on Thurday morning!) There were several occasions where it did get too much, but because I had my escape routes planned, I was able to disappear for an hour or so. Originally, I hadn’t planned on my flight leaving on the day of the victory parade(!) so had to walk nearly 15 blocks to finally catch a cab near the West Side Market (from 9th E to 6th W). Also had to walk through a crowd of many thousands of ecstatic Cavs fans–which was challenging, but I made it and had a great time–which was the important part 🙂

            • jazzlover

              I am happy to hear it. Some of these issues can be navigated with some work. My mother used to have a saying: “everybody’s got their own cross to bear”. If you can get past the religious undertones, it makes a lot of sense.

            • Kim O’Brien

              you were wonderful and i can’t wait to see you next year ;)…a friend of mine has a son who was just diagnosed a couple of years ago ( he is 17 ) and meditation helps . If you meditate …there is a great Buddhist temple , right downtown …and they have a bunch of block out times for small group meditations …

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              Thanks Kim 🙂 It was great meeting you (and all the bunkerites) too–I had a fantastic time in Cleveland and am going to have to save hard to make it to Denver! I’m glad your friend’s son got his diagnosis relatively early (there is much more early-years testing now that psychologists know what to look for), it can help a great deal in being able to develop coping strategies early. For meditation (and a bit of solitude) I tend to go for 30-40 mile cycle rides into the countryside around where I live 🙂

            • Kim O’Brien

              cycle rides in the countryside ….that sounds wonderful

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              It is–next time I’m out and about, I’ll take some pics (here’s one taken from a recent ride at the top of a hill looking towards Brighton {about 10 miles away})F5/Refresh

            • Kim O’Brien

              beautiful..

            • My friend’s lad (now 14) is autistic, and has the same sensitivity to crowds and noise (although he loves arcades – go figure).

              The way I understand this has to do with ‘the cocktail party effect’. The neurotypical can be in a room full of people, all talking, and suddenly hear your own name mentioned.

              You have somehow been automatically filtering out the irrelevant stuff so that you can concentrate on the conversation that you are having… but some unconscious part of you is still ‘monitoring’ and recognises a personal reference.

              I’m told that Autistic people don’t have that filter, so In crowds, everything is in your face all the time. It must be a completely different, and overwhelming, experience than it is for people like me.

              You seem to have some pretty good coping strategies in place, though.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              Thank you, Once_Born–that is a far better description than I could manage… yes, it’s like having no filter, so groups of people talking becomes quite intrusive white noise (and I have to resort to partially lip-reading, which can unnerve some people). Autistic people can also get tired more easily because their ability to ‘process’ sensory inputs can be restricted… and overwhelmed, in the case of ‘meltdown’s’ (I go and hide somewhere quieter for a while when it gets a bit much for me!) The anxiety of an uncomfortable environment (a pub, for example 🙂 ) is also reduced when I’m with people I know–so that helps. (When I’ve done something like last week, I need a few days to recover, after HowdyCon, it was about ten days… )

            • Thanks for you candour.

              Details like this help me understand the experience of my mate’s lad, as he grows up and becomes more independent.

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              No problems–I’m just happy to help increase the understanding in neurodiversity issues.
              Your mate should look into having his son signed up to a mentoring programme with an adult on the spectrum, if that’s possible (and I would imagine there’ll be some provision {usually through a charity} at your location) it can be very useful. There is a plan for something similar where I live, and it’s being encouraged by the council. Let me know if you need any more info.

            • Thank you.

            • flyonthewall

              I’m sorry Monkey, I got carried away and that was tasteless

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              No worries mate 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              thnx bud

            • $cnmonkeyrob$

              (it will be poo next time… be warned 😉 )

            • jazzlover

              Everybody’s a shrink from afar these days.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Leven Thumps is a fictional character: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leven_Thumps. After watching his video, I’d venture to say he has some mental health issues.

        • flyonthewall

          he looks like a paint huffer to me

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            They grabbed him. At least he’s safe. I was afraid he was going to kill himself. Whew!

        • Kim O’Brien

          holy shit batman

      • Lucille Austero

        Priceless!!

    • daisy

      Trumps going to be mad that his building is getting publicity without him.

  • Interesting and sordid history, I’d never heard of that particular cult. A little history here~ http://www.mobileranger.com/losgatos/holy-city-father-rikers-cult-in-the-santa-cruz-mountains/ There are some pics too.
    What the Duggans have in mind is open to much conjecture I’m sure, most likely in my opinion is that they’ll flip it into a CoS investment, wise investments of tax-free dollars, for it to somehow end up in the fetid pond of Lron’s creation *shrugz* Or~ Possibly a new California theme park, something to rival Disney Land? They could call it ‘Dismal Land’, park it out with a noice razor-wire fence surrounding it, and some trailers, then move the latest RPF’rs there to dig some nice waterslides and such. Who the hell knows?
    On the whole, its a beautiful looking spot. In reality it is likely merely a secure investment, though given how well oiled the Duggans are, kinda of a low-end investment; which is why I am thinking that DM has his little fingers in the pie somewhere along the line given that these folks are his very bestest milk-cowz… OMG, think of their status they’ll receive! *gag*
    Don’t mind me good-peoples-o’-the-Bunker, just my usual blathering musing-type thingy-thing 🙂 I go now.

    • They will turn the whole thing into parking spots. They have a Thing with spots

      • daisy

        My theory is they need somewhere to store the ashtrays.

        • and turn California into a no smoking zone

          • daisy

            I thought smoking was a requirement in scientology. I believe it is in one of Hubbard*s more sacred texts. Smoke so we will always have ashtrays.

            • yes, but not all the other wogs! They don’t have the tech.
              ETA: and if you notice that they don’t use ashtrays when smoking. They just yell at them!

  • Tony Ortega

    I’ll be on KABC 790 at just after the hour (4 pm Pacific/7 pm Eastern) with John and Jillian, talking about the Duggans and their new purchase!

    • Eivol Ekdal
      • It’s on. Almost. Took them 8 minutes.

        • It won’t stream on my computer 🙁

          • Talking about Duggans, Kirstie, OT 8 and how it cost millions.

            • Ugh and I love Jillian Barberie. She’s always great on Howard Stern. How annoying that I can’t stream it

            • Talking about body thetans and how they are not upfront about it.

            • Thank you! That did end up working for me!

    • aegerprimo

      Good interview Tony!

      I really look forward to your audiobook of “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely”. You have an excellent speaking voice.

  • Dear Jillian, it’s dot org.

  • OOH! Tony’s going to do a story on politicians! 🙂

    • Vaquera

      I missed it. What’s the skinny?

      • He just mentioned he’s working on a story about politicians for publication soon, when John and Jillian asked him about whether the cherch had any political clout.

        • Vaquera

          Ahhhh. Thanks.

        • aegerprimo

          Ooooohhhhhz! I missed that!

  • Fink Jonas

    Nobody validates them for being rich, Scientology does! and they keep coming for more, some people need to be validated for what they BE DO or Have and they found it in Scientology even if they are doing well in life that’s not enough somebody has to tell them so the little man on the picture does it for them, and that is part of the con game.

    • jazzlover

      Having all the money in the world is never enough if all you have is money.

      • Kestrel

        How many times in history has this lesson been learned too late…

        • jazzlover

          No doubt, countless times.

    • Social Darwinism is flourishing in the cherch

    • outraged

      hahahahah

  • aegerprimo
    • OOkpik

      What a great archive you have created and maintained. Thank you so much for all your time and effort.
      I know where to go when I need a smile. ((hugs))

      • aegerprimo

        ((((HUGS)))) to you too sweet stuff. ♥

      • agreed…

    • aegerprimo
    • TheMirrorThetan

      AWW. I see Snuggly in his little chair hammock.
      Snuggly Ugly 29 is my favourite. How can sleeping twisted like that be comfortable? 🙂

    • Juicer77

      LOL #39 with the stuck-out tongue. XD

  • nottrue

    Old Riker and Hubby were birds of a feather…http://www.coastnews.com/history/holy_city.htm Riker bought the first 30 acres for ten dollars

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Classic! Trump seems to be channeling this clown in a big way 😉

    • Missionary Kid

      My inner grammar Nazi took over when I saw this sign. He definitely was a predecessor to $cientology by his use of the wrong word in the phrase, “GOING PLUM TO HELL”.
      The actual expression is “Going plumb to hell.” (Plumb, in this usage, meaning straight.)
      Full Definition of plumb (adverb)
      1: straight down or up : vertically
      2 chiefly dialect : to a complete degree : absolutely
      3: in a direct manner : exactly; also : without interval of time : immediately

  • Enturbulated Masterbator

    I am taking an indefinite leave from the Underground Bunker. I love open and free discussions but some of the recent conversations have been brutal. I’m talking about the crude name calling and hateful dialogue by a few(most notably Kim O’Brien) towards other UB posters. It’s not the subject matter of the posts but the manner in which we treat one another. However controversial someone’s view point may be, it does no one good to be so hateful and vile. I’ve read this blog since its inception and posted for a few years but it’s time for me to move along. Thanks to many other that made me laugh.

    • Supper Powers

      Understood. Pop back in if you change your mind and thanks for some good chats.

    • Kay

      I will miss your comments. I haven’t been here a lot lately because of RL demands so I’m not sure what convos you are referring to, but if you feel you need a break, I understand. Take care of yourself.

    • iampissed

      Thank you for your contributions. It’s an interesting place and can be difficult. A lot like IRC
      in the late 90’s. I for one have enjoyed your posts and where you go from here will be a better
      place for it. Blessings to you and yours

    • daisy

      I am sorry to hear that. I hope you reconsider in the near future, also thanks for the chats and insights. If you decide to come back I rage quit every couple of days and end up posting 2 hrs. later and no one has shamed me yet. If I have been part of the problem I apologize .

      • Liberated

        Admitting it is the 1st step.
        Say it along with me—–I am a bunker whore. I am a bunker whore. I am a bunker whore.
        There is no shame in being one.
        I am a bunker whore–and I’m proud!
        Say it again and again.
        Think I’ll have have T-shirts made up.
        You know I’ve always got your back, girlfriend.

        • daisy

          I try to save the venom for the scientologists but the election is making me sensitive to racists. I called her on it . Now it is over. I resent being called a bunker whore. I am a whore. period.

          • Liberated

            I take time outs too. I don’t even know who you’re talking about, you mean the stuff from yesterday?
            No big deal to me. Some people just ask for it.
            Remember, even we whores have integrity.

    • $cnmonkeyrob$

      Sorry to hear this, I’ll miss upvoting your comments. There’s always a spot on the couch here 🙂 All the best.

    • flyonthewall

      some of us prefer to fight fire with fire. f5

      • Ben Franklin

        These two never listened to their mothers. Don’t play with fire.

    • Jimmy3

      The masterbator is right. I’m taking an indefinite absence of leave too.

      • flyonthewall

        you sit the fuck down

        • Jimmy3

          Fine. I wasn’t going to stand for this anyway.

          • daisy

            You and Fly rehearsed this , right ?

            • Jimmy3

              (line please)

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Fair enough. Our door is always open…If you make a large donation and hand out our Way to Bunkerness pamphlets to the general public. 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Well, darn it, the interwebz are brutal. I will miss you but if and when you come back, I’ll move over and make room on the couch.

    • Juicer77

      Sorry you are leaving. I get that it can get to be too much sometimes. Hope you stop in sometimes.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I’m sorry that you feel the need to leave because of the skirmish… spectator or combatant, some people stand up and walk out, others dig their heels in… either are acceptable responses – I’m afraid I’m a digger and since the first instance have deliberately provoked them… I don’t like, nor condone, their methods of trying to handle me, but wear some of the responsibility for where it went/is going and regret that it has impacted you.
      That said, it hasn’t finished… they are currently circle jerking themselves under the new post… it could be a while before they learn their lesson that I’ll damned well say what I want to say regardless of how they feel about it, irrespective of their abuse.
      🙂 Happy commenting wherever you land instead.

  • Supper Powers

    In other cult news….I have recently been entertaining myself with YouTube videos of Bill Schnoeblen. This crank claims he was, in his lifetime, a witch, a mason, a Mormon, a vampire, a satanist and that for the last several decades, a born again Christian with his own ministry. In recent years, he’s taken to wearing a yamaka and talking Hebrew. I wish he was once a Scientologist, because this ol coot is hilarious to listen to. I recommend it for kicks.

    • Rasha

      …was he also a Blurgh brother of the Blacktooth tribe?

    • daisy

      Sorry post meant for someone else.

  • $cnmonkeyrob$

    O/T (what else would it be!) Well–here it is… monkey’s 2,500th comment and… true to form… it won’t be quite germane to the issue under discussion, but will provide some light fluffy relief (hopefully).It is the moment that monkey’s heart was stolen by his kittehs (and the conditions that, at the time, he didn’t realise came attached!). Also, as it is 03:55 in the monkeyhouse, this comment will be a ‘drop-and-run’. I beg your forbearance, good denizens of The Bunker. Thank you, friends–it’s been an interesting journey… long may the kittehs, puppehs, j&d and Tony exposing the injustices reign supreme (and here’s to another 2,500, if you’ll have me–I promise not to fling too much poo 😉 )F5/Refresh

    • Moar Monkeh!

    • Ella Raitch

      Happy Bunkerversary my simian cat-loving friend.

      • Liberated

        You had a pen-pal from Indiana–was it me?

        • Ella Raitch

          Ever been to Japan?

          • Liberated

            No

            • Ella Raitch

              I met my Indiana penpal in Japan in 1985

            • Liberated

              I was just joking around. It’s very rare you hear the word Indiana, especially from a person who lives in Aus. so I guess I got excited.
              You know what’s kinda strange, you and I look somewhat alike, only I’m a bit older?
              Also, my son had a penpal from Japan, he met him from the scien. school in Oregon.

            • Ella Raitch

              Well my penpal shared the same my first name so only fitting that I meet someone else from Indiana similar looking. She was a hoot! Were you involved in Scientology in Indiana? Also, laughing at the idea of someone doing an international student exchange and ending up at a Scientology school – should’t be laughing though – that sounds like a scary sea org recruiting technique

            • Liberated

              Yes, I was involved in Scientology in Indiana. I did a summer gig in Delphi school in ’88, my son went with me, he happen to meet a kid from Japan.
              They kept in touch for a few years after, he was a character. Neither he nor I did an international student exchange, but it was certainly educational!
              That was actually my last attempt at the cult, I realized it was truly crazy and completely disconnected and am the better for it.

            • Ella Raitch

              Good for you for getting out and seeing the crazy. I too kept up with penpals for a couple of years – how different if we’d had facebook back in the day!

      • $cnmonkeyrob$

        Thank you Ella 🙂

    • Juicer77

      THEM THUMBS!!!

      • $cnmonkeyrob$

        I know… cute overload… here have some freshly picked kitteh pics :)F5/Refresh

        • Juicer77

          <3
          You are a brave (and possibly foolish 😉 man to take on *three* kittens at one time!! They have obviously thrived with you. xoxo

          • $cnmonkeyrob$

            Thank you, Juicer–I’m plumping for foolish for now :)Sorry you couldn’t make the London shindig–there is still a (now very limited supply!) of Sherbet’s HowdyCon popcorn available this side of the pond, I’ll keep some aside for when next we meet 🙂 xoxo

            • Juicer77

              Aww, thanks!

  • I Like Ham

    The “Battlefield Earth” part at the bottom reminded me that I hadn’t posted my pictures of their booth at the San Diego Comic Con last month. I wanted to try to go by covertly or nonchalantly take some pictures but I’m about as covert as a rhino and I’m terrible at playing nonchalant so while the booth was manned I didn’t try through most of the show. One time while I was walking by I noticed that they had Terl at the booth which gave me a perfect opportunity to try and take pictures under cover of photographing the costume. I saw who I believe to be Emily and her husband there so I was hoping to get some pictures of them for Phil & Willie but at the time I took the third picture Emily had ducked out of sight for something and the lady in the red jacket came out from behind the table and tried to sell me a copy of the book.

    It’s one thing to read about being regged (sp?) and Scientology hard-sell, but another thing to be on the end of it. She asked me if I was familiar with the book and I told her I remembered it from when I was a child when it was originally released. She proceeded to pick up a copy of the book and started reading the copy on the flaps of the dust jacket to me. She was very precise and even toned and stopped every few sentences to underline a point and make sure I was following along. In the back of my head I was thinking that this must be somewhat akin to Word Clearing…it seemed very Hubbardesque. She pointed out that it had a formerly unpublished interview with Hubbard, was completely revised, and the new cover by Frank Frazetta, which had been commissioned when the book was originally written, but had been deemed to be too frightening and dark so had gone unused. If I bought the book at the booth I’d get a free exclusive poster of said cover as well. I said that all sounded interesting but I didn’t really have the money for it.

    She then placed her hands on my shoulders firmly but gently, looked me straight in the eyes and asked if I liked Westerns. Not particularly, I said. Nothing against them, but I never really read them much. Detective novels? Nope. Romance novels? Not really. Gangster stories? Sorry. A look of consternation and resolve passed across her face every so slightly, as if she was confounded by my obstinance but would lick me yet. Was she postulating a win over me by finding my ruin? Was I enturbulating her?

    Leading my by my shoulder to the main table she showed me a selection of paperback reprints of old LRH novels & story collections. She picked one up and, as she’d done with BE, started reading the back cover text to me in a very deliberate way. She’d read the synopsis of one story, stop and ask, “Doesn’t that sound interesting?” not as if trying to elicit an answer, but as if to tell me that, yes, it sounded interesting. She did that with two or three of the books and I’d just nod and agree with her. Placing her hands back on my shoulders she told me that in addition to the poster, I’d get my pick of two of these books free as well (although my memory may be clouding, as at some point she’d mentioned the enormous audio edition and all the work that went into that and it may have been buying that that would give me the free books). I told her again that I didn’t think I had the money for the book and she then mentioned that they were also giving away free t-shirts and I’d get one of those.

    I finally had to thank her and say that I was really sorry I couldn’t buy a book, but I’d certainly make sure to look it up on Amazon when I got home. That seemed to, if not satisfy her, at least mollify her, and she let go of my shoulders and let me go on my way.

    I know I was being a bit flippant, especially with my (probable mis-)use of Scientology jargon, but the whole thing was a bit unreal. Let me first say that she was never anything but polite and never, even when talking about Hubbard, mentioned Scientology. It was in the way she talked – firm, but almost politely affectionate, almost maternal, and her body language – always looking straight in my eyes, the gentle firmness of her grip on my shoulders and arms. It was very, well, hypnotic. Quite honestly I almost felt guilty for not buying a book.

    Sorry if I rambled on a bit, and even sorrier I didn’t have any pictures for Phil & Willie.

    • randomity

      Sounds like a close encounter of the large number variety.

    • Ella Raitch

      Woah….lots of body contact there. I felt uncomfortable reading about it. Don’t remember ever being touched by someone trying to sell me a book

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      That reminds me of the clam who tried to sell a squirrel a copy of Battlefield Earth. He didn’t buy it but… well, let’s just say that the cover was ruined…
      (refresh)

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Wow, with all that free swag on offer and the very pointed body contact, it sounds like you were getting the hard sell. You know, they’re trained to hear “I have no money on me” as a lie that puts you at effect, so that’s when they really put it to you;)

      You’re lucky you made it out with all your body parts…you DID check after you got a safe distance away to see, right? RIGHT!?

      If you walked away feeling very relieved to get away and like you needed a shower, then you just met a real $cilon, not one of those know-nothing punk kids they recruit into the Sea Org by the bushel who are gone in a week or two. So, be careful she probably hypnotized you without you being aware of that fact and implanted a suggestion to make you feel like coming back the the booth, but WITH MONEY 😉

      Don’t do it!

    • OOkpik

      I like I Like Ham like I like ham, like, yeh!
      Good story, Ham. Thanks.
      The lady was a little too touchy-feely (and desperate) for comfort, yes?.

      Look at that crap! . . . Thank you
      Walk over to that crap! . . . Thank you
      Listen to that crap! . . . Thank you
      Buy that crap! . . . Cheap bastard! 🙂

    • Don’t apologise. That’s a fascinating description of the Scientology hard sell as applied to the general public – ‘degraded beings’ whom they are trying to help

      Before someone says “why don’t they just give you the book, then”, Hubbard thought of that at an early stage and invented the doctrine of ‘exchange’ to insure that Scientology always gets paid.

      Giving things away, he assured us, degrades both the donor and the recipient (there’s a switch for a ‘religion’). What’s more, since Scientology is supposedly the most valuable commodity you can possibly encounter, (it’s saving your eternity) money should always flow in the direction of the ‘Church’.

      I can only imagine the equivalent encounter behind closed doors in the socially isolated environment of an org -especially when the sales-person is desperate to get their ‘stats’ up and avoid ‘ethics’ &/or stands to earn a commission.

    • flyonthewall

      great write up, thank you

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03
      • I Like Ham

        Looking at the picture on the ASI site I’m not sure that’s her. I wish I had a better picture, but as soon as she saw me taking pictures of Terl she must have thought easy pickings and snuck up on me like a ninja. The lady I remember isn’t as old as the one in the ASI picture and had dark brown hair. I think she was maybe in her mid-late 30’s or early 40’s.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Thanks then maybe she is a different Galaxy or Bridge staffer.

  • JaxNGold

    The Duggans purchased a property that used to be the site of another cult? How incredibly appropriate.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Have you committed an overt in an earlier-similar cult compound?

      • JaxNGold

        Lol…oh, but of course. Excuse me while I go consult my body thetans now…

  • InterestedObserver12

    Just to put the Duggan’s $70,000,000 donation in perspective. The Duggans have $3,200,000,000. Reduce the amounts by a factor of 1,000,000. The Duggans gave Scientology $7 of $3200. Does it pay to have rich parishioners? Well, as LRH says, Scientology makes the successful more successful. The corollary of that is Scientology makes the average person a failure.

    If you were being hounded by $cientology’s famously relentless sales people, wouldn’t it be worth it to you to drop $7 into their wicker collection basket out of every $3200 you earned?

    • DoveAlexa

      What do you think they make in interest per year? I’m guessing since they’d be top-tier in any bank, they must get way more % than us plebs.

    • chukicita

      I thought the 70 grand was just to the IAS.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        70 million…!

        • chukicita

          Yes, you’re right.

  • ze moo

    Last winter the Sy-Fy channel did a series on people from the early 1960’s being on what they thought was a spaceship going to another star. It was actually a psychological test of many things, but was at heart a scam.

    Anyone want to buy a ticket to Marcab?

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      On the Holy City, this blog article is foreboding.

      Holy City is a perfect earlier-similar cult founder’s dream compound.

      I wonder what the big real estate investor people think, and if like the high priced lawyers who see Scientology’s money and start salivating, I wonder it longer longer range this Duggan purchase causes some happiness somewhere in investors’ minds.

    • richelieu jr

      In my neck of Teegeeack, Marcabs won’t even slow down for a single guy late at night.

  • Todd Tomorrow