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Former Scientology mouthpiece Tommy Davis is settling into his new role as Hollywood exec

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[Tommy Davis as Scientology mouthpiece; his new BFFs in Hollywood, James Packer and Mariah Carey]

In May, we broke the startling news that former Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis had started a new job: He’s working for Australian billionaire James Packer, who at one time was Scientology’s richest customer. According to his LinkedIn profile, Tommy started his new job in February as “general manager North America” for Packer’s investment firm, Consolidated Press Holdings. That position comes with a role helping to run Packer’s partnership with filmmaker Brett Ratner in their movie-funding business, RatPac Entertainment. After our story came out, we heard that Ratner was surprised to learn that Davis may still have some connection to Scientology. But new photos suggest that things have been smoothed over, and Davis is fitting in as a mover and shaker in Hollywood.

Researcher Garry Scarff spotted a photo of Tommy and his wife Jessica Feshbach taken Wednesday at Ratner’s home, and that sent us looking for more. Getty Images photographer Lester Cohen had a large collection of them posted that he took Wednesday night, and we’ve cropped and embedded a few images for you in the name of Fair Use.

Tommy Davis is still a fan favorite here at the Underground Bunker. He’s the handsome son of Academy Award-nominated actress and Scientologist Anne Archer, but he gave up his start at Columbia University to become a hard core “Sea Org” member and then spent the mid-2000s running errands for Tom Cruise and the rich Australian who Cruise had brought into the fold, Packer. All three of them were tight enough that tabloid photos of them emerged on Packer’s yacht showing Tommy (with his Sea Org tattoo) and Cruise with his new girlfriend, Katie Holmes.

 
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According to Steve Cannane’s amazing upcoming book about Scientology and Australia, Fair Game, Packer left the church in the middle of a course in 2006. Davis, meanwhile, lost his job as Scientology’s mouthpiece after a devastating profile of Paul Haggis by Lawrence Wright was published in The New Yorker in February 2011. Davis then moved to Austin with Feshbach, who not only was also a Sea Org member but had at one time been an aggressive handler for Katie Holmes.

Banished from the Sea Org, Tommy and Jessica settled into their new life. Jessica took out a realtor’s license and went to work for a local firm, while Tommy became majordomo to the wealthy Thomas Barrack Jr. at his real estate private equity firm headquartered in Santa Monica, Colony Capital. (Tommy’s father, the late William Davis, was a wealthy real estate investor.) Tommy and Jessica had their first child, a daughter, in October 2013. Tommy, in a deposition he gave in January 2014, claimed that he was just “on leave” from the Sea Org and was still a member of the Church of Scientology.

More recently, we got the big update. In 2014, Tommy and Jessica moved back to Los Angeles, they’ve now had a second daughter, and Davis dropped his Colony Capital job to go to work for Packer in February. Their new life appears to be agreeing with them; the good-looking couple were captured Wednesday night by Cohen at the Ratner shindig.

 
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Adding to the intrigue about Tommy’s new job funding movies on behalf of Packer and Packer’s partner, Ratner, was the news that Tommy had been introducing his new movie pals to a man named Michael Doven, even calling Doven his “best friend.”

“You are shitting me,” former Scientology figure Marc Headley said when we told him the news. He reminded us that Doven is a notorious Scientology spy who was used by church leader David Miscavige for years to keep tabs on Tom Cruise. Doven had been Cruise’s personal assistant, and is a minor figure in filmmaking today. (A recent project, for example, was a movie about golf hustling, 2015’s The Squeeze, that was produced by Scientologists Anne Archer and her husband Terry Jastrow — who wrote and directed the film –and featured Scientologist actor Jason Dohring. Variety panned it as a “heavy handed morality play.”)

We confirmed with our sources inside the church that Doven is very much still the gung-ho church member he always was. And Headley is convinced that the only way Tommy Davis is palling around with Doven, introducing him to his new friends in Hollywood, is that Davis is on a mission from David Miscavige to convince Packer to come back into the fold.

It’s wealthy donors that have been propping up Scientology as the organization loses members, and Miscavige needs all the billionaires he can get. The church’s richest current member is Silicon Valley investor Bob Duggan, who is worth about $3.2 billion and has given at least $70 million in donations to the church. Convincing Packer, who is worth $4.4 billion, to come back to Scientology would instantly make him the church’s richest member, and would be a major accomplishment for Davis — perhaps enough to get him back in the good graces of Miscavige.

But after our story in May came out, we heard rumblings that Ratner wasn’t happy, and that he didn’t want Scientology anywhere near RatPac Entertainment. Since then, however, things have apparently been smoothed over, judging by the photos taken Wednesday night at Ratner’s Benedict Canyon home, Hilhaven Lodge.

The occasion was a celebration of an upcoming RatPac-funded television series, In Harm’s Way, that Deadline.com described this way:

Brett Ratner and James Packer’s RatPac Entertainment last night announced In Harm’s Way, a scripted multi-platform project inspired by the United Nations’ work around the world. Created by emerging British filmmaker David Raymond, the event-driven anthology mini-series will dramatize true stories of UN staff who risk their lives working to ensure that the organization fulfills its mandate. Each season will focus on a specific crisis in a different country with the first season, written by Raymond, to be set during the 1999 East Timor crisis. Future seasons will be directed by different sets of filmmakers and cover new topics.

 
At the event celebrating the new series, Ratner was photographed by Cohen with United Nations secretary-general Ban Ki-moon and, can you believe it, Tommy Davis!

 

 
Wouldn’t Miscavige be proud! In another shot by Cohen, Tommy and Jessica can be seen in the background relaxing with Ban Ki-moon and others…

 

 
Other figures who celebrated the new film at Ratner’s place were Larry King, Stevie Wonder, Dakota Johnson, Naomi Campbell, Sharon Stone, Courtney Love, and fashion designer Hedi Slimane. We also found it significant that the star of the party was Mariah Carey, who looked pretty fabulous. Here she is with Ban Ki-moon and Brett Ratner.

 
We say this is significant, because there has been some doubt expressed in the Australian press about Carey’s relationship with Packer. They had announced their engagement, but then in March they said that a wedding had been put on hold indefinitely. So is Mariah’s appearance to support a RatPac project some indication that things are still good between her and the Australian billionaire, who these days is actually based in Israel? We don’t know.

But it is interesting to see Tommy Davis in this exalted company. Do you think anyone bothered to ask him about his antics as Scientology’s mouthpiece?

 
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Scientology on the syllabus

Posters over at WWP and here in the comments have pointed to a college course being offered about Scientology at Cal State University San Bernardino this fall that will use the church’s propaganda book, “What is Scientology?” as its coursebook.

We spoke to its instructor, Dr. Arlette Poland, and she explained that this was a brief, three-week course offered through Osher Lifelong Learning, not a regular CSUSB class, and that appearances to the contrary, she’s well aware of Scientology’s controversies and will be discussing them during the course. She was a pleasure to speak with, and we hope this will tamp down some of the speculation about the course.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on August 15, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Observer

    Seriously, the Shirtless Toms gross me out as much as the Preggo Feshbach. Blech

    • Jimmy3

      Preggo Fishbach? What you talking bout, Obs?

      • Observer

        Feshbach. See how grossed out I am?

        • Jimmy3

          Ohhhh. Now I understand. You mean this. (F5)

          • Observer

            I am not refreshing.

            • Jimmy3

              Just a wee bitty thumbnail refresh?

            • Observer

              Nope.

            • Kestrel

              Oh, come on. You know you want to.

            • Observer

              Nuh-uh

            • OOkpik

              I protest!
              You are very refreshing. πŸ˜‰

          • Vaquera

            As opposed to Mathers’ portrait de pregnancy. f5

            • Jimmy3

              WTF

            • Vaquera

              Scary, huh?

            • Jimmy3

              Did they have a groupon to get these done? Do all the clamwhales have these Ron forsaken portraits?

            • thetastic

              I don’t think it’s very nice to call them whales. Oh, wait. Sorry. Carry on.

            • Vaquera

              Compare the two. Very similar. Bet they used the same photographer. My money is on Denice Duff.

            • flyonthewall

              I say Anne Leibovitz!

            • Vaquera

              Not. Even. Close.

            • Draco

              She would not touch that with a barge pole.

            • gtsix

              She did the suri cruise baby photo for vanity fair, so you never know.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              The photographer/artist is Dick Zimmerman: http://www.dickzimmerman.com/museum.html

            • Vaquera

              Whelp, there goes another pair of shoes. I know better than to bet shoe money. πŸ™‚
              Thx.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              An easy mistake to make. Clam photographers are a dime a dozen and most have about 5 cents worth of talent – just like LRH.

            • Kim O’Brien

              jesus christ ..is this a THING now ?!

            • Vaquera

              The Mathers photo was taken 12 years ago, so maybe it was a then thing.

            • Kim O’Brien

              she just looks like a vessel ….like there is almost no intentional connection photographically ….between her and the stomach . This creeps me the hell out …and the other one of the other people …makes my skin crawl . Just , eeewwww

              ( check your email )

            • Vaquera

              (ok)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Nay.

              Nay nay.

            • thetastic

              The idea that you need to bare belly that far along in order to get anyone to notice it is ridiculous in the extreme. Can’t everyone wear clothes?

            • Kim O’Brien

              what i find strange is that she is draped like formal dining room table setting ..except for the belly . I mean …wha ? and the tux ?! Is it ” fetus prom ” or something ?

            • thetastic

              Oh, word. It’s like she and her own stomach are two separate entities.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              That look on Mathers’ face! Oy Vey! And this is the only time can I remember him not flashing that creepy pterodactyl grin of his. This “serious” look is even creepier!

            • Such a conehead expression on Mather’s puss. Hilarious!

            • Ella Raitch

              Wah wah wah, huh? Is his real? Photoshopped? Why?

          • Fleshblech.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          It’s the cal-mag running out of his nipples that grosses me out.

          • Observer

            You, sir, live up to your screen name. Good day.

            • I said good day sir!

            • Eivol Ekdal

              sorry

            • Observer

              That was melodramatic huff, not actual offense. πŸ™‚

              But still…ewww

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Tommy Davis…!

    How dare the Proprietor of this blog even mention that name — let alone write an entire article about this person. First, we in RTC insist upon setting the record straight: Tommy Davis was a low-ranking Sea Org member whose “PR duties” were limited to body routing at Pac Base, and specifically only on the corner of Sunset and Vermont because he could not be trusted with more important locations such as the testing center on Hollywood Blvd.

    When COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige was away opening 10,127 Ideal Orgs on nineteen continents in 15,902 countries, Tommy Davis exceeded his authority by engaging in a slick con game whereby he convinced others that he was the “International Spokesman.” And yet that post had been vacant since the previous International Spokesman blew due to his overt acts and withholds. There was no “International Spokesman.” On the odd occasion, COB would have Karin Pouw issue charming PR releases. Alternately, Mr. Norman Starkey would sometimes be trotted out of the SP Hole make public appearances in which he huffed and puffed in righteous indignation that wog media would dare to importune Mr. Miscavige for interviews! But how can this happen in any universe? COB is too busy for idiot wog reporters and journalists and their wild-eyed mad dog allegations that COB beat people. This is absurd.

    It was always Mr. Miscavige who was, and remains, the true and only International Spokesman. However, when COB was away, Tommy Davis usurped COB’s role and flew about enturbulating Scientology organizations and engaging in unseemly and rude contretemps with the aforementioned idiotic wog journalists in order to make himself seem important. When COB returned from years of opening the great Imperial legions of Ideal Organizations, he stopped Tommy Davis’ rampage of self importance and ordered him to relocate to the worst place in the world, and here we refer to the wildly suppressive Nation of Texas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ShE3Kb2UUc

    • Jgg2012

      I bet that COB does not have the nerve to put Anne Archer’s son in the hole.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Anne who?

        • Jgg2012

          The woman in the Celebrity Centre who looks brainwashed.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Everyone in the Celebrity Centre looks brainwashed; you need to be more specific.

      • richelieu jr

        He’s still ,working up the nerve to put something in Anne Archer’s son’s hole.

    • Draco

      And despite all the beatings that “Marty” supposedly inflicted on 22 people, repeatedly, none of the “inch wives” ever saw a single bruise or mark on their bodies. Which they knew every inch of. Wow. It’s the OT Powaz. I tells ya – that shit works!!

      • Susan black

        Excellent point about the inch wives never seeing bruises or marks of violence.

        • Draco

          That’s the problem with lies – trying to keep the “facts” aligned.

          • jazzlover

            It seems like it’s easier to keep universes aligned.

          • richelieu jr

            Scientology In a nut-job, warm, ‘nutshell’ there, @draco!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        As Mr. Miscavige informs us in COB Directive 992-A: Ecclesiastical Beatings, Denial of All Evidence Thereof, any inch wife who sees bruising or other evidence of beatings on her husband’s body during their nightly inspection of his body is to “not is” the evidence. The PR line “I know every square inch of his body and saw no bruises” is to be used.

      • That would have been such a fun moment in the 360 interview, if Anderson Cooper had either confronted Tommy or the inchwives with this: “So, according to Davis, three of you had husbands that were victimized by Rathbun, and should have had bruises, and should have talked about it… so if there were no injuries and no stories, was Davis lying?”
        Or, “According to the spouses of the four, there were no injuries on the bodies of their husbands. So, Mr. Davis, your allegations are confusing– they are adamant that there were no contusions, abrasions, bruises, etc, yet you say Rathbun was violent with Rinder, DeVocht, and Hawkins. Why would those three wives lie to protect Rathbun?”
        It would have been an unassailable game set and match, with either party. Shame that neither the producers nor Cooper caught it.

    • Susan black

      The more tommy goes on about the many beatings, all supposedly at the hands of Marty, the worse he looks. And the I AM REALLY RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY NOW character he plays is just fake and weird.

      • richelieu jr

        Has Marty ever publicly denied having beaten the little shit?

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Funny that per Truth Rundown pre-liminary action called “Roll Back”, this whole statement of Tommy listing out Marty Rathbun’s supposed/alleged violence, is all something never firsthand witnessed.

      This former spokesperson long statement is not by someone who witnessed the events. All something that when “Rolled Back” would be grounds for Tommy’s statements to be run as Black PR, per the L. Ron Hubbard “Truth Rundown.”

      Hubbard’s absurd Truth Rundown procedures ought to be dissected.

      This is Scientology technical hypocrisy.

      A worthless subject.

      People caught up in it are worsened by it.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    REAL ANGRY??
    Here’s a more relaxed way of looking at life and all things beautiful:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mxc9v8DnN8

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    I think Mariah Carey is keeping some of her body thetans in her tits.

    • April

      Gotta keep ’em under control somehow.
      The BT’s that is, not the tits.

    • Ella Raitch

      Well,that’s the least subtle remark about Mariah Carey’s attributes so far – made me spit my cereal, lol!

    • Robert Eckert

      Booby thetans

  • Outlook

    “Researcher Garry Scarff…”
    Garry Scarff???… “researcher???…..Really? ….LOL

    • Tony Ortega

      Marcotai! Where have you been!

      Man, it’s good to see you back.

      • Outlook

        Damn…I forgot my VSP.

        • flyonthewall

          haha! f5

          • Outlook

            Shave your beard, fly. Your family will be happy!

            • flyonthewall

              well that’s where you’re wrong. Last time I shaved my kids were disgusted by my appearance and told me to never shave again. So there!

            • Draco

              Ignore him – it’s beard envy.

            • flyonthewall

              πŸ™‚

            • Vaquera

              He’s envious of Kelly Preston?

            • Zing!

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks for the laugh, O beautiful one.

            • Vaquera

              You’re welcome, honey.

            • Outlook

              Sorry I didn’t know. So if you are disgusting without a beard, just keep it.

            • flyonthewall

              it was really quite traumatic and I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t mention it again. Thank you

            • did you shave your kids?

            • flyonthewall

              *shame*

            • you should grow a beard. ever thought of that? he he

        • Eivol Ekdal

          How’s it going?

          • Outlook

            Do you really care?

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Sorry, I will leave you alone.

        • Lucille Austero

          Marco! So do you think that just by mentioning Tommy’s BT’s they could somehow jump over here and cause trouble for us? I want to be prepared! πŸ‘½πŸ‘½πŸ‘½

      • pluvo

        Marcotai, really?

        He was staff on the Freewinds. His name is Marco B. He was working in the course room with Patricia. I still can hear Patricia’s irritate, chiding “Maaarrrrrcoooooo!?!?!” in Italian accent.

        • Potato!

        • Jimmy3

          “Marco!”

          “Intellectual Polio.”

          “Marco!”

          “Intellectual Polio.”

        • Outlook

          Really? Do you mean Patrizia Pellzzari? She was a great lady.

          • pluvo

            Yes. I really liked her.
            (Disqus threw me out when I was about to reply to you down-thread.)

            • Outlook

              So, why you scare to show who you really are?

            • pluvo

              Well, why do you use an avatar with nickname?

              Did you rout-out from the Ship directly or were you somewhere else? I don’t remember – jeeze, so many people just disappeared.

              PS: you realized that I didn’t write your full last name.

            • Outlook

              Well, I did several “undercover” missions before routing out. i would like to get in comm with you in private if you wish to. I really miss all of the people I worked with.

            • flyonthewall

              Don’t do it Pluvo!! f5

            • Outlook

              thank you legoland!

            • flyonthewall

              is that where you did your “undercover” missions?

            • Juicer77

              That’s funny! XD

            • pluvo

              I won’t. He is working for OSA.

            • Juicer77

              Congratulations on routing out successfully. I hope you have found happiness in whatever your life holds now.

            • pluvo

              “Undercover” missions!?! lol, how exiting.
              Private? With sombody who is commenting on the Underground Bunker? You are kidding.
              If you are commenting here, you are working for OSA, otherwise you wouldn’t comment here when you are still in ‘good standing’ – because of ‘entheta’ and so.

              There are many who were on the Ship and are out now with who you could go in comm. You could pick someone from the Big List: http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out
              But of course, they are ‘SP’ now.

            • Outlook

              “f you are commenting here, you are working for OSA, otherwise you
              wouldn’t comment here when you are still in ‘good standing’ – because of
              ‘entheta’ and so”

              That’s one of the usual stupid lie that anti-scientology propaganda is feeding you all the times. In fact Scientologits are allowed to comment or look any sites they wish to.

            • Juicer77

              That’s good to hear. How about books?

            • Outlook

              It’s ok to read any books you wish to read as well. If your personal integrity is strong there would be nothing you can’t confront! But if your ethics is weak it’s just make sense to avoid entheta or porno if that matter.

            • Juicer77

              I obtained and read a copy of Dianetics last year. Would you be willing to read Barefaced Messiah by Russell Miller?

            • Outlook

              I’m not interested about LRH life. But I did watch “Going Clear”.

            • Juicer77

              I watched it, too. What did you think?

            • Outlook

              One sided!

            • Outlook

              and boring too.

            • Juicer77

              Ok, so if you were to make a rebuttal, what would you include?

            • Juicer77

              I thought of another thing… on Mike Rinder’s website, have you seen the posts written by Terra Incognita? Another one is up today and they are really, really interesting.

            • Sid (Phil Jones)

              Mission Earth books have a lot of porno in them. Are they to be avoided by the weak minded?

            • Outlook

              if you read it in three or five days it doesn’t matter to be week minded.

            • Sid (Phil Jones)

              Phone auto correct.

            • thetastic

              Can you watch Dancing with the Stars?

            • pluvo

              Well, if that is so, I’m glad for you. I remember when I was still in it was a big no-no to look up ‘entheta’. People got declared for commenting on ‘entheta’ sites like Mike Rinder’s and Marty Rathbun’s.

            • Outlook


              People got declared for commenting on ‘entheta’ sites like Mike Rinder’s and Marty Rathbun’s.”

              Cmoonnn….people can’t be declared for just commenting!! They would be declared if they agree or somewhat allies with SPs.

            • pluvo

              Yeah, that’s right.

            • Jimmy3

              You realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? “No, no, no. People aren’t declared for something so trivial as reading entheta… As long as they don’t agree with the entheta.”

              They read critical information, find one thing they agree with, then they have to cut ties with anything and everyone they know. Why do you support this, again?

            • Outlook

              Well if you agree with terrorism,some people may avoid your company. And “terrorism’ IS “entheta”.

            • Jimmy3

              What the hell does that even mean? That has nothing to do with what I asked. I thought you Scientologists pride yourself on excellent communication skills.

            • pluvo

              It does not sound ridiculous to a Scio, Jimmy. This is the view and ‘logic’ through the indoctrinated mind-set. The ‘logic’ is part of the cognitive dissonance and with that go along the justifications. Just be aware that reciprocally critics are seen like that (like “That’s one of the usual stupid lie that anti-scientology propaganda is feeding you all the times.”).

              There was a time another ex told me about what DM did, how he mistreated his staff. I heard the words but couldn’t process it, the info was bouncing off of my mind (same with Hubbard) – despite that I was subjected to abuse by DM’s enfocers – and till he showed me the story about The Hole (I was not much on the Internet and didn’t know about all the Scio Info from the critics). This shocked me out of the indoctrination and (subconscious) self-censoring of thoughts (about DM). It is difficult to explain and to carry back my mind to that mind-set. Did you read Orwell’s “1984”? It is like that. I had to rewind my mind and to process all the new information and to ‘de-indoctrinate’ myself. It was an arduous process with several decompressing phases and years of being in a mental turmoil sorting it all out step by step with lots of communication with other exes.

              But again, by the Scios the critics are seen as being manipulated and they (Scios) have the correct perspective and the ‘wogs’ just don’t know what’s going on and they live in a kind of matrix. They get also told different stories and explanations and told that the exes are telling lies and the (‘wog’-) critics are manipulated.

            • OOkpik

              OK, I have to up-vote this;;
              It’s hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!

              eta: Of course you can any make unsanctioned decision you wish – and suffer the consequences.

            • Outlook

              Nope, there are just few. And I believe that you know what really happened with Scott Cambpell and his wife on the ship. Not the bullshit you read here or listened on Keren’s video.

            • pluvo

              What happened?

            • Outlook

              if you were there you should know!

            • pluvo

              I just know that he was in isolation under ‘baby watch’ because he had a breakdown and what he and his wife told.

            • Outlook

              Of course we tried to kept him in isolation. When he found out why his wife went to RPF her life could have been ended right away. Do you remember the non-scientologist Dutch guy who was a Curacao restaurateur working aboard the ship?

            • pluvo

              Restaurateur or from a restaurant?? Nico was from a restaurant.

              What do you mean by “her life could have been ended right away” ??

            • Outlook

              Nico owned two restaurants on the island.

            • pluvo

              Oh Nico, yes I remember him.

              What do you mean by “her life could have been ended right away” ??

            • Outlook

              Don’t you know? What job did you hold on the ship?

            • pluvo

              Don’t know what? I was in the Hotel Division.

            • Outlook

              Holy shit! I worked a few years in the hotel division. I know almost all the staff there under Vince.

            • pluvo

              Yes.

              PS: Like Giorgio S. He is also out btw. There are many more out than are on the Big List. But I don’t know if Jeannine S. is still in.

            • OOkpik

              Pluvo, come quick, the shed is on fire!

            • pluvo

              Where? I thought I’m safe in the Underground Bunker. πŸ™‚

            • OOkpik

              You’ll be OK if you keep the door closed.
              We do have the odd flare-up that needs dousing. πŸ™‚

        • Outlook

          Do you mean Patrizia P. She was a great lady. She is still there, btw.

        • Outlook

          Campbell…Is that you???

          • pluvo

            No.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        We hardly ever see that tasteful, tasteful avatar around here any more…

    • pluvo

      Marco, are you public now? I asked you some time ago, but you didn’t answer. Did you leave the Sea Org or did you get kicked out? What happened?

      Have you read “Bare-faced Messiah” already? All the lies Hubbard told …. . Of course it needs some confront.
      http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/books/bare-faced-messiah.pdf

      • Outlook

        I just left the SO in a standard way and not like a coward. Did you work on the Freewinds too?

        • Supper Powers

          Is there a dignified way to escape a burning building?

          • Outlook

            of course

            • Lucille Austero

              Did the BT’s come with you or stay behind? Asking for planning purposes.

            • flyonthewall

              he takes all his BT’s on the bus! You.cannot.fuck.with.this.clam!

            • Lucille Austero

              I was thinking of a sort of small metal box trap. In case they try to slime us. And hazmat suits.

            • flyonthewall
            • Supper Powers

              “He died attempting to escape the burning building with a quick-walk pace so as to be dignified upon his exit.”

            • Outlook

              I saved a boy while escaping! That’s what dignified me!

            • Outlook

              I saved a boy while escaping! That’s what dignified me!

            • flyonthewall

              f5

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Hey, how’s that pizza in Clearwater? We can’t seem to get a slice.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          And now, the second part of that answer…?

        • pluvo

          Yeah, you were talking with me about it a while ago. So you are public now?

          Hope you are doing well. But what is this showing up here with the weird – surely meant to provoke – avatar? Can’t you get something nice, Italian or so?

          • Outlook

            It (avatar) may look weird, but it looks funny to me.Anyway I don’t remember having talked to you.

  • flyonthewall

    ok who forgot to lock the gimp’s cage again?

  • Royce Harlow

    Wow. Tommy has aged a lot…. A LOT …in just a few short years.

    • Lucille Austero

      His BT’s have stolen his youthful good looks. πŸ‘½πŸ‘½πŸ‘½

      • jazzlover

        I hear that having 2 toddlers does that too πŸ˜‰

  • Juicer77

    O/T SQUEEEEEEEE ALERT! Just saw my first hedgehog in our garden! So cute. I picked him up with oven gloves (he’s really sharp!) and he was curled up with only his nose and one little foot sticking out. <3 <3 <3 Put him gently back in the grass and left him a bowl of water and some cat food since it's been very, very dry here lately. He walked a little ways and seems in fine shape. Cross another item off the bucket list!!

    • flyonthewall

      pix!

      • i agree

      • Juicer77

        Mr. J was on camera duty. I will get them from him tomorrow. Basically me making ridiculous happy faces at a Brillo pad. XD

        • flyonthewall

          mucho excellente seniorrrrrrita!

      • Juicer77

        Aha! f5 He was a good sized one!

        • gtsix

          Boop Itty bitty nose. Boop.

    • jazzlover

      What’s next? A skunk? πŸ˜‰

      • Juicer77

        f5

        • jazzlover

          LOL. Yard critters are unpredictable. By me, I’ve seen raccoons that had to weigh at least 30 pounds. Needless to say, I don’t go near them. Be careful.

          • Juicer77

            I hear ya. Back home we had possums and BOY are they mean. I disturbed a big one rooting through my compost pail one day. He just looked over his shoulder and kept tossing out bits until I got the broom and chased him off. Thankfully WoofyJuicer keeps most critters at bay. He was stymied by this prickly critter, though. LOL

            • Missionary Kid

              Maybe the possum was Tommy Davis in disguise.

            • jazzlover

              I’ve seen coyote out and about occasionally too πŸ™‚

            • Juicer77

              Yikes! Keep your small pets indoors, folks!

            • jazzlover

              There have been instances of young children who are left outside for a few minutes getting snatched. Pretty scary. Also, it’s sometimes difficult to tell the difference between a coyote and a dog.

            • Juicer77

              That’s exactly why my extremely lanky GSD has a bright orange harness when we’re out in the countryside! Don’t want some farmer mistaking him for a wolf or coyote. He’s definitely a throwback to his canis lupus ancestors.

            • Missionary Kid

              There was a child killed by a coyote in Los Angeles a few years ago. It turned ot that some idiot was feeding coyotes, so this one lost its fear of humans.

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, this has happened in the NYC ‘burbs more times than I’d care to remember. I suppose it’s a result of over-development. Another domino effect of NYC gentrification.

            • Missionary Kid

              Mostly, it’s the ignorant assholes that don’t understand that feeding coyotes is what teaches them that humans are not to be avoided.

              There is also real concern about coywolfs, crosses between coyotes and wolves, documented in eastern Canada. They are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than coyotes.

            • jazzlover

              Yikes! I hadn’t heard of those. There’s an ignorant asshole not far from me who insists on feeding geese, giving them ample reason to stick around and shit on everything year round. The town turns a blind eye and claims it can’t do anything about it.

            • Missionary Kid

              You might write the paper and cite a few articles on bird flu being carried by migratory birds.

              For those of you in Canada and the USA, there may be laws about feeding wild birds. If there aren’t, contacting wildlife management authorities or academics might be in order to get their opinion.

              We have a lot of golf courses here in the Coachella Valley, and it’s bad enough that migratory ducks make the water hazards home, and waddle and shit all over people’s patios and yards. If it wasn’t for the water hazards, the ducks wouldn’t be there.

              It’s become a tradition for the winners of the (formerly known as Dinah Shore) ANA Golf tournament to jump into the pond at the 18th green. Yuck!

            • Libertylover

              We have coydogs here right outside Syracuse. Dogs run around free on the Onondaga Indian Nation land and breed with them. They look just like regular dogs and come in all colors, but definitely aren’t dogs. They don’t bother you and they run with the Coyotes.
              I’m actually surprised that they run with wolves. I thought the wolves killed a lot of Coyotes when they get reintroduced.
              Definitely too many around here. I hear them in the valley when I walk at night. Sounds like there’s dozens of them, but they never come too close or bother me.
              One day I recorded them around Tully and uploaded it to You tube and got thousands of views.Best things in life are free. A day in the woods by myself is restorative and puts things in perspective. Fav time is a still winters day around some of the falls. I don’t see another human all day, best mind clear ever!
              People don’t think NY is like that but we have so much State forest wilderness up here

            • Missionary Kid

              Dogs and wolves are much closer biologically than coyotes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote#Hybridization

              New York state has a lot of areas that are rural. I used to visit relatives in Jamestown, N.Y., which is a little over 200 miles away.

            • Libertylover

              New research that just came out is suggesting that they are not and DNA indicates they are all one Species and coyotes are more like wolves than previously believed..
              http://www.livescience.com/55586-wolves-only-one-species.html

            • Missionary Kid

              I had read that, but the research only shows that the wolf and coyote are closer than previously thought. There’s no comparison to the closeness of dogs and wolves. It is thought, and the taxonomy charts still have dogs diverging from wolves, while both dog/wolf and coyote ancestors diverged from each other much earlier.

              In any event, they all are capable of mating, however, they don’t normally do so. The time of estrus of coyotes is different than that of wolves and dogs, but there’s always horny wolves and dogs and coyotes that will interbreed, given the right circumstances.

            • Libertylover

              Well get out and look , they do all time. Seen them mating myself and coydogs are all over. It’s not settled science. DNA studies show the grey wolf a coyote wolf hybrid emerging 50 thousand years ago.
              Others think domestic dogs were around 100,000 years ago and co evolved with humans. Wolves don’t bark either. It’s far from conclusive but hey i should just ignore my own eyes an read wiki.

            • Missionary Kid

              Out here, the coyotes are pretty much coyotes, in my opinion. You’ll rarely see them during the day, and only occasionally at night, when human activity is very low. I live in a desert town that has little surrounding urban or suburban habitation, so observation is rare, but I’m sure that they’re around nearly every night. Perhaps the coyotes, like the wolves, have been intermingled much further in the East and North of the continent than in the West, particularly the desert regions, so you see the hybrids much more often than we do. I have no evidence to back it up because the same type of research hasn’t been done here.

              To hear coyotes howling, in my limited experience, living here for 27 years, I’ve had to be well out of town, or in places like Joshua Tree.

              I’m waiting to see what a similar study shows for the West and, particularly, the Southwest. Coyotes are very adaptable, but I haven’t heard (that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen) of cross-species mating here in the desert.

              I had read the article that you cited a while ago, but I was basing some of my opinion on previous reading, as well as what is taught at the Living Desert at their exhibit. I am interested to know if my belief has any basis.

            • Libertylover

              Well Maybe it’s different out there but coyotes are quite close to us here and maybe slightly different than there.
              I often see them in the evening and hear them at night. Also most domestic dogs are kept close to there owners. We have a reservation just south of Syracuse where there completely different rules than everywhere else. The Onondagas are a sovereign nation inside the US and have their own passports and rules.Dogs run wild and always have so maybe they have become more wild and feral and reverted but dog coyote mating is perhaps much more frequent than anywhere else in the US. I’ve seen quite a few weird looking Coyotes running with the other regular Coyotes. By weird I mean coat colors and patterns.We probably have a unique situation here that’s not typical, but there are definitely many coydogs.

            • Libertylover

              discus is acting weird my comments are disappearing and reappearing so sorry if I’m repeating myself.

            • Missionary Kid

              No problem. I respect your comments. They’re well crafted, with intelligent observations.

            • Libertylover

              Grey wolves are coyote wolf hybrids from very recently and coyotes diverged around 50 thousand years ago not millions as once thought.
              Archaeology has turned up ancient dog remains in Europe and pushed back the estimates of dogs diverging to plus 30 thousand years. Some think as much as 100 thousand years.Some think that ancient dogs co evolved with humans and later Asian versions came along much later, it’s far from settled. DNA evidence has rewrote much accepted taxonomy.
              Coyotes don’t breed very often with dogs Is that right? Well I’ve seen it myself with feral dogs on the nation and they are all over Nedrow but hey l should just ignore what I see with my eyes and just stay home and read Wiki then.
              Wolves don’t bark either but Coyotes do. but thanks for setting me straight I’ll brush up on my wiki coyote estrus and stay indoors.

            • Vaquera

              Coyotes killed my two cats the day my ex left the family. There’s got to be a country song in there somewhere.

            • Juicer77

              πŸ™ So sorry!! Poor kittehs… And you’re right. Throw in your awesome boots and you’ve got a #1 hit.

            • Vaquera

              Most perfect country song evah, especially starting at 2:10. The whole dang thing is a classic.
              add: ….and I covet DAC’s fringed shirt.
              https://youtu.be/WheR269FKBo

            • Juicer77

              “… the day my mom got out of prison…” LOL

            • Vaquera

              My trail ride group has belted that song while on horseback until, well, we were horse. πŸ™‚

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s one of my songs to belt out too, would have sung it for you in Cleveland if I’d known.

            • Missionary Kid

              A coyote is a much better animal than TD.

            • Juicer77

              He has infiltrated my garden in a disguise of brazeness! But I am not exactly an Ideal target. Not sure why he would bother. πŸ™‚ ETA: derp, corrected for misreading hedgehog for possum. Slight difference. LOL

            • jazzlover

              I don’t blame him. And remember, stay away from porcupine πŸ™‚ I’ve heard the yelps of raccoons fighting skunks trying to horn in on their garbage supply. By the sound of things, they could rip someone to shreds if properly inspired.

          • Robert Eckert
          • Yeah, the trash pandas are not to be trifled with. They don’t know the meaning of the term “give up.”

            • jazzlover

              Seriously. When skunks start to fight with them, it literally sounds as if someone is being murdered.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Are you sure that wasn’t a stray body thetan looking for a new host?

    • I used to have a hedgehog in my back garden. He was great. Once, he got into the kitchen when I left the door open. It took me an hour to gently evict him.

      You evidently know the right way to feed them (water and cat food) but, for anyone else who might encounter one of these wonderful animals, don’t ever give them milk. For some reason their digestion just can’t handle it.

      • Juicer77

        He just wanted to see where the food came from. LOL I’ve been doing a lot of reading. Going to set up a feeding station now and overwintering habitat later this year.

        • Excellent πŸ™‚ I love the way that they snuffle as they go along – and eat slugs and snails before they eat anything you’re growing.

          • Juicer77

            I’m going to set up a weatherproof video cam, too. πŸ™‚ *notes to self: include microphone to catch snuffing*

    • Make sure you haven’t brought any unwanted passengers back indoors after picking Mr. Tiggywinkle up, Juicer: even if perfectly healthy otherwise, they’re often jumping with fleas. I’m pretty sure it was hedgehogs in our garden that led to an invasion of the house via the cat (whose flea-collar needed replacing, I admit) earlier this summerβ€”though there were also some foxes about at the time. Had to wreak stern vengeance by spraying everywhere with expensive flea-lifecycle-interrupting insecticide πŸ™

      • jazzlover

        Nice. “Lifecycle-interrupting”. I like it. “I will interrupt your lifecycle if you ever do that again” πŸ™‚

        • The little buggers lay hundreds of eggs otherwise.

          • jazzlover

            Of course. I was just complimenting you on your eloquent way with the language πŸ™‚

      • Juicer77

        Good advice. I washed well and left the oven gloves to be laundered. Many years of animal rescue work has taught me to be wary!

    • Kat

      I’ve got a couple of them living across the road with a colony of stray cats, so cute!!! They only come out at night, f5

      • Juicer77

        Awwwww!

    • Graham

      In some areas English hedgehogs are dwindling in numbers. They are finding it more difficult to forage for food or even find a mate due to modern ways of fencing gardens which put insurmountable barriers in their way: http://nurturing-nature.co.uk/gardening-for-wildlife/hedgehogs-and-garden-fences-a-possible-solution/

      • Juicer77

        Thanks for the link! I’ve been reading up on the little hedgies and will probably put up a shelter this winter. Feeding station will be installed shortly. Yeah, I am a sucker! LOL

      • richelieu jr

        And the poor this cannot ever seem to find Dinsdale, either!

  • Angela Schaffner

    Ann Archer is not an Oscar winner. She was nominated for Fatal Attraction but didn’t win.

    • Tony Ortega

      Thanks. Fixed.

  • Jeb Burton

    I’ve always admired Tommy for his degree of assholeness. Let’s face it, Marty and Mike never could hold a candle to Tommy. And Ms. Pouw is no match. He is missed.

  • Tommy Davis, on National TV looks the host in the eye and says “There is no such thing as DISCONNECTION” and that David Miscavige never laid a hand on *anyone*
    Laugh with me..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krky3vx61gM

    • Juicer77

      You have to give him credit for getting a lot of people out of $cientology, though. Who was it (Paul Haggis?) that said watching this very interview made him question what the “church” had been doing vs. what it was saying.

      • jazzlover

        That’s called “the unintended consequence of brash stupidity” πŸ™‚

      • gtsix

        Jenna Hill as well, as ole Tommy had been involved in trying to break apart her husband’s family.

      • pluvo

        IIRC, also Jenna Miscavige got active after she heard his blatant lies.

      • Yes, good point.

    • Outlook

      Nope Karen, he said ‘there in not such a thing as disconnection AS YOU ARE CHARACTERIZING IT” !

      Listen it again! Anyway you seem to know how easily people here can be fooled. Well done.

      • daisy

        YUP that is his LAME ASS out. He only technically lied. He totally lied in intent and you know it. Thankfully anyone listening knew that. Scientology the only religion that has to trick people with the truth.

    • madame duran

      I remember that news segment at the time it aired. Tommy looked beat up, either due to fatigue or he was the recipient of actual pummelling by DM. It was an early morning interview (early for him/L.A. time) so perhaps he spent all night being drilled in preparation for it. How the lies slip so easily from his lips! I feel so bad for his daughters. It would be nice if Suri was able to rescue them sometime in the future.

    • richelieu jr

      To be fair: It is not so much that Tommy Davis was a terrible spokesperson, but that it was a thankless, impossible and a hopeless job that got worse every day– and that is without even considering Miscavige’s constant micro-managing and tiny little pointy pointer finger jabbing him in his chest (or shine if TD didn’t lean down far enough.) the creators of Battlefield Earth certainly couldn’t deal with that alone.

      And what can you say? The thing is, as so many overworked spokesmen before him, he made a classic ‘Kinsley Gaffe’, wherein they actually tell the truth they are supposed to be hiding… How can you sell Scientology to an informed public in this age? Heber Jentzch could bark his noxious bullshit out, and say things Ina Nazi accent with Hitler salutes when discussing Modern Germany, insist stridently to Phil Donahue that Pschology had a sick obsession with Scuentology, a sweet, innocent religion that simply wanted to be alone, et and get away with it (for a while me anyway– how’s that hole feeling these days? Lucky there aren’t any psychiatrists in there to ruin things (OR ARE THERE??!!!)

      Tommy did OK for boot licking slave to a micro-managing midget who sent him to provoke nervous breakdowns in BBC journalists (ask poor John Sweeney how that felt, or if Tommyj was ‘failing’at his mission), go on TV and deny the truth and insist that Scientology was doing the exact opposite of what it was clearly publicly trying to do, and I am sure he didn’t come up with the idea of denyin disconnection all by his little momma’ boy self.

      The problem was not that Floppy Haired Fuckwit,, but ziti the fact that he learnt his Bel LArre bearing and Anne Archered good-looks to the slavish service of a totalitarian mafia using slavery, espionage, hypnotism, human-trafficking, kidnapping, torture, and terrorist mind-control tactics I the service of scooping up money and “clearing the planet” so that the only “law” would be Hubbard’s red-faced paranoid nightmare.

      A difficult job. Impossible, even.

      And evil, inexcusable and not only not worth doing my ut worthy of all our efforts to stomp out like poisonous spider trying to slip into your sock.

      Nice job, Tommyp. You get a bad rap, you serpent a bid spokesperson- you may ah e event been one of those best. You are joust a truly nasty piece of work, a sleazy, slimy being that crawled from between your mothers black-veined and margarine thighs like that specter the Red Wolan birthed in Game of Thrones, only to slink around like that snickering sycophantic muppet in Jabba’s palace, licking boots (and worse) until you were thrown from the limelight for angering the tallest midget in ShortsVille, for who, you
      Arrived and divorced at will, feigning cancer problems to skink off to find some balls to borrow long enough to pass for a man before finding your way back in. Like Syndey Falco in Sweet Smell, only the Don whose ring you kiss is a wannabe Hitler still pissed he.can’t squeeze out better than a Prince mustache.

      Not an awful spokesman so much as an awful man, without the spine to even arrive at third rate evil In an organization of sleep-deprived fake sailors giving each other lie-detector tests with a machine so crappy it can’t expose the biggest lie of all.

      Personally, I wouldn’t think such a Life was worth living. But his spokesman skills were fine.

      He should do well inHollywood, if he can spit CoB’s l’il dick out long enough.

      • You make some excellent points.

        • richelieu jr

          Dear Karen, thank you. You polite, measured response am,Es me feel bad for going at poor Heber so hard. I apologize. It is truly nothing personal, and I in no way think he deserves the treatment he is being given (nor does anyone, form that matter)

          It is probably not too clear in my little tirade, but what get sup my nose is keys,s anything he or Tommy or Mike did (though I came across that Donahue thing yesterday shortly before posting and it did drive me up a tree) , but more the way this stuff is held out as having been ‘better’ or “more personable” or whatever…

          It always looks better from within the bubble, and with the the rosy gaze of youth, but to the extent that is was superior in quality and effectiveness, it is just so much worse to me for the poor victims and continuing survival of this finding life. Reputation, fortunes, family and coherent and thought crushing machine.

          I am eternally horrified by what that that infernal machine did to you and yours, Karen. Inexcusable and heart-breaking, and yet you (and Jeffrey) carry on without seeming consumed buy bitterness, ilncivility and hate.

          • Thank you kindly. It is always a bitter pill for me to swallow that none of my life events would have occurred had I not joined a Cult.
            You are very kind. Bright blessings to you.

  • order66

    Welcome back Tommy, you arrogant little piss ant. I hope you give us some more unintentional hilarity.

  • Observer

    This is OT but worthwhile. A few years back I signed on with Operation Photo Rescue, but since life got nutty and one computer died and the next could only run an old version of Photoshop I got away from it. Since I have a new computer and the latest version of Photoshop I’m going to start up again. I’m sure they’ll be heading to Louisiana once things settle down there.

    http://www.operationphotorescue.org/

    If anyone, active posters or lurkers, is proficient with Photoshop, check OPR out. It’s incredibly satisfying and worthwhile work. Throw them a couple of bucks if you are so inclined. The photos are restored for free; the money is used for the photo runs, where members of OPR set up in the affected area and take extremely high-res photos of the damaged pics (they can’t be scanned). The pics are then uploaded to the hosting site, and volunteers choose ones to restore based on our skill levels. They are reviewed by the site mods to make sure they’re good enough quality, then either returned to the volunteer for touchups, or printed and sent to the owners.

    I restored some photos damaged in the Joplin tornado outbreak.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPiZr-Ww9PY

    • flyonthewall

      never heard of it but that is an awesome concept

      • Observer

        That’s why I posted this. I found out about them completely by accident.

        Restoring these is a weirdly emotional experience. I feel sorrow for the family, but at the same time it’s an indescribably amazing feeling to be able to give them back a pic they thought was ruined and gone.

        • flyonthewall

          right!

    • Observer

      Also, you can go into the forums on the OPR site and look at some of the work in progress. You don’t have to be signed in.

    • Jimmy3

      I’m willing to do MS Paint replications. Sign me up.

      • Bavarian Rage

        ((Chuckle!!)) πŸ˜‚ Oh you big hearted soul!!! On second thought, I’d LOVE to see one of your MS Paint renderings. You should “shoop” us a few here from time to time.

    • daisy

      That is a lovely and worthwhile charity Obs. I am so sorry it is way above my skill level. Thank you for mentioning it here.

    • I love doing that kind of work. I’ve done photo archive restoration for a couple of documentaries and I’m working on a lot of family photos now. I’d love to help! I did this image of my grandfather in his doughboy uniform for her last week.

      • Observer

        That is gorgeous

        • Thanks. I think if he showed up at any coffee shop in Williamsburg or Portland, he’d fit right in. That haircut is totally back in fashion. I added the color at my mom’s request.

  • Sejanus

    Aww always nice to see Carey letting her two puppies out for a stroll.

    • flyonthewall

      what knockers!

    • “Don’t point those things at me, young ladyβ€”they might go off!”

  • Jon S

    Archer “Is this film we’re making going to be any good?”
    Jastrow “Nope. Total shite. Rotten Tomatoes only gives it 17%”

    • Jon S

      ” derivative, clunky, haphazardly written and visually dull” (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-squeeze-2015)

      • noseinabk

        Jason Dohring as Aaron Bolt
        Katherine LaNasa as Jessie
        Michael Nouri as Jimmy Diamonds
        Christopher McDonald as Riverboat
        Director
        Terry Jastrow
        Writer
        Terry Jastrow
        Comedy, Drama

        Rated PG-13 for some sexuality, language, drug material and thematic elements

        “Here’s a movie that would benefit from being broken up by late-night television commercials. ”
        Ha, what a recommendation.
        http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-squeeze-2015

  • flyonthewall

    I think that new commenters should be subjected to an extreme vetting process. You know, just to ensure they share our values

    • Ella Raitch

      I see potential here…do you have in mind, say, a list of challenges?

      • flyonthewall

        As a matter of fact I do. You see…hey what a sec! Have you been vetted yet??

        • Ella Raitch

          I’ve met Tony, What’sup and Bryan Seymour – does that go in the plus column? I never finished Bare Foot Messiah tho πŸ™

          This job needs a checksheet and maybe some kind of device that we can use to tell if people are lying or not…..hmm

          • Missionary Kid

            Ah hah! You’re a sock. It’s Bare Faced Messiah. [Kidding] Never mind. I finally got the joke.
            Maybe it should be Bare Ass Faced Messiah.

          • flyonthewall

            Bare Foot Messiah! Lol

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Do our values include pizza and beer?

      • flyonthewall

        yes, those and J&D are pretty much our only values.

      • scottmercer

        Only if there are coupons. πŸ˜‰

      • thetastic

        If I can include ginger beer, then yes.

      • gtsix

        If not I’m outta here.

      • Robert Eckert

        FLUNK! Popcorn and tacos

      • Supper Powers

        I’d feel very devalued if I did not have pizza on a weekly basis. Honestly.

    • excellent idea!

      • flyonthewall

        cool. f5

    • kemist

      Ikr ?

      We might even get one of those weirdoes who don’t like bacon and stuff.

      • flyonthewall

        ….

        • Kim O’Brien

          turkey bacon . See …peace is easy

          • noseinabk

            Blasphemy! Are you all seeing this? Who vetted Kim?
            What are your crimes?!?!?!

          • stanrogers

            I understand both of those words, but when you put them together like that, they make no sense at all. Is that a thing? Can it be stopped? If it’s too late, will it become compulsory? If so, when is the next large impact event most likely to occur?

    • Kim O’Brien

      bigly. have to share our values bigly

    • Fly Lady

      That sounds fun, can I start over as a new commenter?

      • flyonthewall

        f5

        • Fly Lady

          Hey, it’s the exact look you give me when I want hugs!

      • noseinabk

        Sorry, fly ruined it for you since we already know you are a master chef of our beloved popcorn.

    • noseinabk
  • Robert Eckert

    Mariah on world hunger: ‘The singer once expressed her heartfelt sympathy for starving children around the world like so: “I mean I’d love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff.”‘ ETA: Scott is correct. The quote is funny but not genuine.
    http://stars.topix.com/slideshow/17511/slide16

  • HTC

    I think Mariah Carrey get grosser as she ages. She almost seems like a caricature of her old self. Not that I judge by appearances, but she strikes me as the whole media whore whackadoodle thing these days and seeing on the fringes of shitology explains a lot.

    • “Not that I judge by appearances” – Ha ha!

    • ze moo

      “Hello Girls, did you miss me!” Governor William J. Lepetomane
      F5

      • Justmeteehee

        Mimi really puts them all out there, she’s always struck me as classless but her singing range (except for the overdone riffs) is good.

      • HTC

        Heehee

    • Ella Raitch

      I watched the movie Precious for the first time on the weekend and was stunned by her performance in it. Very subtle – I didn’t recognise her as Mariah Carey. although she looked familiar.

  • UhLasare

    OT. Does anyone know anything about “Myofascial Release”? A young friend of mine is participating in an externship to learn this technique to treat horses (and she claims it’s good for people, too). Her description of it sounds a LOT like touch assists. πŸ™

    • MaxSpaceman

      Trigger point injections for myofascial pain syndrome.

      Very helpful imo.

      • UhLasare

        She claims that when anything bad happens to a person/horse, the body stores “it”. Not sure what the “it” is. The bad thing? “It” puts an incredible amount of pressure on the fascia. She lightly rests her hands on you, and bam! Pressure released, “it” gone.

        Is that the same thing you’re talking about?

        • noseinabk

          I don’t know the terminology for the massage I received but what your friend describes sounds a little off. The lady who worked with me had also worked on horses. She would apply sustained hard pressure to a painful spot and would continue to do so until it “released”. I had a hard time relaxing through the pain, this was no lala feel good massage, and I could feel the muscle jumping a bit in response before it let go and was no longer painful. The worst spot took at least 30 to 45 minutes of sometimes painful pressure to feel relief.
          I can’t imagine any light touch procedure being the same.

        • MaxSpaceman

          no

          a neurologist administers Trigger Point Injections for Myofascial Pain Syndrome. an in-office medical procedure billed-out by the neurologist to one’s insurance.

      • Vaquera

        Trigger -> horses πŸ™‚

    • Jimmy3

      I don’t know much about it, but I’ve heard Professor Elfman teaches a class on this at the Delphian Academy.

      • UhLasare

        Took me a long time to get this one. I’ve got some health related brain fog going on right now. I had to use google. Sad.

      • Lucille Austero

        No Jimmy. Just no. 🐎🐎🐎

  • ze moo

    ‘In Harms Way’ was a great WW2 navy movie with an incredible cast. I understand that movie names can be re-used, but don’t mess with the Duke. F5

    • Missionary Kid

      I don’t think much about John Wayne, and I’ll probably get flamed for saying it. As a person I knew who was at one time a head of the costumer’s union, and worked with him, put it, he was the only guy he knew who, in spite of being 6′ 4″ tall, wore lifts in his boots to make himself look taller.

      I don’t confuse his roles with the person, who was as right wing as one could be.

      • Libertylover

        I love some of his movies but he was a douche IRL and flame away I don’t care!

      • Ever work with George Peppard?

        • Missionary Kid

          As far as I know, he never mentioned George.

      • noseinabk

        I am not a John Wayne fan but thanks to Howdy ( shakes fist) I tend to curb my enthusiasm about people I admire. When I wrote that Yuhl Brynner was sexy in The King And I , Howdy proceeded to school me on what an ass he was known to be. Burst my bubble and I never mentioned any stars but Jimmy Stewart after that. PLEASE , don’t tell me any disparaging stories about Jimmy Stewart so I won’t need to block you.

        • Missionary Kid

          Jimmy Stewart was a very humble, down to earth, nice guy. Reading about his wartime service, you can see that he was truly modest, and flew when he didn’t have to. He was a good friend (and roommate) to Henry Fonda when they were both struggling actors.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stewart

        • Frodis73

          i hate finding out somebody you admire is a total ass. I have never heard anything bad about Jimmy Stewert either. πŸ™‚

        • It’s interesting that, although John Wayne was an ‘Action Hero’ who played many roles as military men, he spent his war playing them. He didn’t fight.

          Diffident Jimmy Stewart temporarily abandoned a promising film career to join the US Air Force, and served on bombers, rising to a high rank.

          Appearances are often very misleading indeed.

  • Here Tommy Davis throws a hissy fit at the host and stalks out of Nightline Interview after using name calling at host.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPixKqGy1uo

    • That just never gets old.

      • Yes and ABC has followed Cult shenanigans for a while, wonder why FOX and CBS do nothing

    • noseinabk

      This interview made me aware of Martin Bashir and I had huge respect for him asking honest questions even though he knew TD may walk out. He did the interview without being abrasive and maybe didn’t realize that Tommy could never honestly answer those questions.

  • Kim O’Brien

    I really hope they come out with a Glitter 2 . That woman was robbed i tell ya …robbed

    • Jimmy3

      Yeah she was robed, and that’s the problem.

      • Observer

        When I look at Mariah all I can think of is overripe figs. Why figs, I don’t know.

        • Jimmy3

          The forbidden fruit. My man Ki-Moon knows what up.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i thought the forbidden fruit was the quince . do figs get THAT big in nature ?

            • Jimmy3

              The forbidden fruit is a metaphor, and also what you meet her for.

            • Kim O’Brien

              you are a poet ….and you know it

            • Jimmy3

              I’m not a poet, but I have a poet’s spirit. I’m watching world class athletes run hurdles in the rain and waiting for someone to slip.

            • Kim O’Brien

              Carlin would be proud of you my son …proud

            • Jimmy3

              Their shoes are incredible. I stumbled twice just getting another beer from the fridge. I haven’t seen one person fall on the TV.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Vaquera

              Me, too. Bachelor in Paradise.

            • flyonthewall

              some scholars of fake stuff believe the forbidden fruit was a pomegrante

            • Kim O’Brien

              that would be messy and look like blood running down your face . Great visual …makes sense

            • beauty for ashes

              that’s funny, I always take selfies with pomegranates! F5

            • That’s the Persephone tale. It’s just another story to make women look bad. At least the Greek gods were a lot more fun and a lot less sociopathic than Yaweh.

            • Vaquera

              I thought it was a persimmon.

            • noseinabk
            • Kim O’Brien

              LOL …i like this bumper sticker too

            • noseinabk

              Yes! The poor woman made eye contact when eating a banana and they all lied that it was the apple in order to make her look bad instead of making Adam look like a dirty old man.

            • villagedianne

              Alfred Hitchcock’s father ate a banana with a knife and fork. I think that explains a lot.

            • noseinabk

              Funneeeee! I love Hitchcock and can imagine him enjoying telling people that.

        • OOkpik

          Mellons, perhaps, and the only thing missing to complete the picture are tassels and a stripper pole.

          • beauty for ashes

            F5 πŸ˜‰

  • Heard a song on the radio and misheard the lyrics as “Now you’re just some body that I used to know”. I thought of Dave.

  • Seems to be a parody page, but of whom?

    https://www.facebook.com/RantCardon

    • What’sup

      Buy my new book “If you go the extra mile, you’ll miss the exit”

      Lulz

      • Juicer77

        ROFL

    • Observer

      OMX, that’s hilarious!

    • I’m in love.

    • Lucille Austero

      Sweet!

    • Libertylover

      Love it! Gotta be someone from the bunker. I like the links to his page.He deletes anything critical or questioning, I’ve tried.
      God his sales crap is so vacuous and his followers are such wallies. Real entrepreneurs don’t follow like that. He makes all his money selling books you buy from him, so you’ll never be like him that way losers. LOL

    • Kim O’Brien

      my new imaginary boyfriend is ever so dreamy

      • Juicer77

        Get that man a sarong, STAT!

    • Juicer77

      Hilarious!!

  • MaxSpaceman

    All in all, it’s a smart play by Thommy Davies.

    If he’s not forced to proselytize by Dave and can simply be a movie production financing player with RatPac, he, actually, could shine with those guys. They should do well; they have all the elements assembled and might have a very good run.

    • noseinabk

      I don’t know Max. Part of me remembers how Jason Beghe spoke of him.

      Davis, however, looked terrible as he tried to spin Roberts. “He’s lying, and it shows. “What really saddened me, this was one of the most handsome, beautiful kids I’d seen in my life. And he’s starting to look like a hardcore Scientologist. He’s no longer beautiful. You see the eyes, the lying that he’s doing. Anybody can see that this guy is not clean. It’s clear as day,” Beghe says.”
      http://www.villagevoice.com/news/jason-beghe-to-scientology-mouthpiece-tommy-davis-youre-losing-your-soul-6706765

      The other part of me thinks that only the slimey would appriciate the slime that he has become.

      • MaxSpaceman

        on the other hand, nose, his Hollywood/Beverly Hills pedigree is really “up there.”

        and I doubt that not even 5% of people at that party ever saw any of Thommy’s crap work for the Cherch.

        they’ll know him as Anne’s son; and he still carries some of the ol’ panache. He should do well.

        • noseinabk

          As obsessed with image that his kind of people are I am amazed that any of them would allow him to represent them or even be seen with him. He may have connections but our social media society marks him as a plague on public relations. If they are so stupid as to forget to google search him like they do themselves almost daily they deserve what they get.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I wonder if he will be able to get old bunny boilin’ mama a job.

  • randomity

    Remember, piracy is not a victimless crime. You could be hurting Tommy Davis, Brett Ratner, and that Australian guy (I forgot his name already and am too lazy to scroll up.)

  • John Prince

    It’s discouraging for me to know that there are Billionaires who are STOOPID enough to give Millions to $co. ..MOST People who control such Wealth at least have the Smarts to Know where their money is going! If rich
    asswipes like Duggan & Packer are really THAT Stupid then they have TOO much money and SHOULD be penalized for it.. just a shame the money has to go to a vile snake like david miscaridge.

    • Sine qua non

      Yes, it’s discouraging. Fortunately, though, very, very few rich(or poor) people are getting swindled into Scientology these days.

      • John Prince

        Fortunately indeed ! It’s also fortunate that a vast majority of rich Folks tend to Downplay their Wealth, for obvious reasons, rather than brag about it and wave it in people’s faces on the Internet but there’s always been assholes like cardone who just can’t resist ..

  • Kim O’Brien

    you tube suggested that i watch this video . I wonder why …..( refresh ) the title is ” Kitten Academy Live Stream ”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o74BnFSr8g

    • Juicer77

      I don’t think they have provided those kittehs with enough toys! LOL Looks like my living room, for gawd’s sake. XD

    • Qbird

      I keep checking in & watching these kitties — so, so sweet, Kim.

  • Jimmy3

    Goodnight boobs, Davis and Mariah’s
    Goodnight Bent Shatner
    Goodnight Ki-Moon

    • Qbird

      Goodnight socks by the fire. ;P

  • Somewhere Kerry Packer is rolling in his grave! With a new Casino opening here Packer is ripe for the picking.

  • Linda Clement

    Is it just me, or is Mariah Carey in love with her own tits?

    • Susan black

      yup, she loves those balloons stuck on her chest. They look like they would hurt.

  • Rebecca Howell

    This makes perfect sense to me. I’ll bet that Tommy is on a mission for Miscavige to bring back Packer into the fold. I knew this guy was trouble. He and Jessica were handlers before and they are again. Lying and deceit are accepted practices in this “faith” and it’s amazing how far they will go to extract money from wealthy celebrities. I hope Packer catches on and runs away from Tommy.