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Scientology Grudge Match: Tommy Davis Gets Called Out By Mike Rinder

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Back in 2007, when John Sweeney of the BBC (right) came to Los Angeles to film an episode of Panorama entitled “Scientology and Me,” he was treated rather roughly by the church’s two top media handlers, Tommy Davis (left) and a gaunt-looking Mike Rinder, who had just been plucked out of “The Hole” for assignment after more than a year on thin slop and sleeping under desks at the church’s bizarre ecclesiastical office-prison.

Now, for the first time, Rinder, who left Scientology not too long after this photo was taken, has fired a broadside directly at his former colleague, telling Davis that it’s time he started spilling his guts about abuse he witnessed in the church.

At his blog, Rinder takes aim at Davis and his wife, Jessica Feshbach, who also worked as a top media handler for the church — it was Feshbach who was often seen herding Katie Holmes around through interviews and otherwise shadowing the actress to within an inch of her life.

 

Katie and her best bud

Katie and her best bud

 
Rinder suggests that the couple got together when Davis “blew” from the church after the Sweeney encounter and Feshbach became his “sec-checker” — the person who was assigned to interrogate him.

Ah, Scientology love. Nothing like an e-meter and a brutal inquisition to warm the heart.

After they became a couple, Tommy and Jessica learned to have fun together, like the time they intimidated a young church member about the consequences of working for someone the church didn’t like. As can be heard in this secretly-recorded tape, Tommy and Jessica tell Shane Clark that if he doesn’t quit his job working for excommunicated member Marc Headley, he risks losing the rest of his family to “disconnection.”

Rinder runs through a list of other highlights in Tommy’s career as a mouthpiece for Scientology leader David Miscavige, and Rinder does have a point — it sure would be fun to hear from Tommy about walking out on Martin Bashir, or telling John Roberts of CNN that disconnection doesn’t exist.

But Rinder also provides a couple of new nuggets that are kind of amazing:

Tommy told me he was physically assaulted by Tom [Cruise] (“I deserved it”) who followed in the footsteps of his mentor Dave. Tommy was subservient to “Mr. Cruise” as was everyone else in the Sea Org by order of “COB.”

Rinder was among several former executives who came forward in 2009 to claim that Miscavige had physically assaulted his employees. (The church — through Davis — vehemently denied the allegation.) And here he’s saying that Tom Cruise, aping his friend Miscavige, did the same to Davis. Ouch.

Rinder then wonders why the couple is staying silent now that they’ve left the Sea Org. He gives the Underground Bunker a tip of the hat for revealing that the couple now lives in Austin and Tommy has gone to work for a giant Los Angeles-based private equity real estate fund.

We asked Rinder about one sentence that was a little unclear — was he saying that Tommy and Jessica have taken a large sum from the church to keep their mouths shut? Yes, Rinder told us, he does believe that’s the case. But both Davis and Feshbach come from wealthy families (Tommy is famously the son of Scientology actress Anne Archer) and Rinder doesn’t believe it’s only money that keeps them quiet.

Can Rinder shame Davis into talking about what he knows? One can only hope.

 
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Nightmare on the Freewinds: Scott and Karry Campbell

Karen de la Carriere has part two of her interview with Scott Campbell about his treatment aboard Scientology’s private cruise ship, the Freewinds

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 3, 2013 at 06:00

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  • Whiningmachine

    I think Tommy’s testimony would be the most interesting one I’ve heard so far, not that I’m much of a fan.

  • Sidney18511

    When I saw Mike Rinders blog, the first thing that came to my mind was a pot and kettle.

    • 1subgenius

      There is a glaring difference between the two. (See the story above)
      Let the pissing match begin.

      • Sidney18511

        Just my opinion subby.

        • 1subgenius

          Mine too. No problem.

    • BosonStark

      I like the part where RInder lights into Tommy Davis for having said, “There’s no such thing as disconnection, the way you’ve characterized it.” This, after John Roberts has characterized disconnection pretty much the way it is.

      Come on, the “Church” spokeshole’s job is to pretty much lie, distract, and then turn everything into a Scientology promotional as much as they can. How would Rinder have handled it any differently when he was spokeshole and asked about disconnection?

      I can see how Mike Rinder feels bitter knowing Tommy Davis is a spoiled trust fund kid, who indeed probably got paid off to shut up, when all they wanted to do with Rinder is disconnect him and kick him to the curb. But, in the basics of how a spokeshole operates for this “Church,” Rinder and Davis were pretty much the same — they lie.

  • 1subgenius

    Tommy will not talk. He is a weasel. He has no discernible backbone.

    • richelieu jr

      All tongue and floppy hair and teeth, that one, sliding around on his belly, sucking alternately at his mother and Davey’s teats then spitting his privileged venom on anyone he’s told to.

      The exact profile of the rich German holding cocktail parties in a house he inherited when the Jews who used to live there were removed… Then desperately barking the Party Line in fear he’ll be next because he knows secretly he’s the one who deserves it.

      Cowardice, cruelty and privilege make a nasty cocktail, one that deserved to get severely shaken by a smirking Tom Cruise, and then served to DM who’ll allow him to swim through his veins for a few cycles before returning hi to his natural environment- The men’s room floor.

      • ThetaBara

        Let’s hope he’s not actually Suri’s dad.

    • FistOfXenu

      sub, I never thought of you as the kind of guy that insults weasels. Weasels have backbones. And there’s things they won’t do.

      • 1subgenius

        You are correct, sir. I regretted it after I posted. I apologize to the entire animal kingdom.

        And I won’t even call him a jellyfish. They are absolutely amazing fascinating creatures.

        I really can’t think of an animal to compare him to without denigrating the animal.

        Something inanimate?

        Phlegm, comes to mind. Maybe smegma. It has a nice ring to it.

        • FistOfXenu

          Toe-butter? Toe-butter Davis?

        • Observer

          I think he could be reasonably compared to a lamprey, as lampreys have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I love the Bunker.

            I would have went through my whole life and never known what a lamprey was without this place.

          • 1subgenius

            Lampreys have long been used as food for humans. They were highly appreciated by ancient Romans. During the Middle Ages, they were widely eaten by the upper classes throughout Europe, especially during fasting periods, since their taste is much meatier than that of most true fish. King Henry I of England is said to have died from eating “a surfeit of lampreys.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamprey#As_food

            Yum.

            • richelieu jr

              This is true, but ‘lampreys’ back then weren’t quite the same as today.. ‘Eels’ might be a better translation…

              Also: Isn’t is strange how many Kings and princes died from eating Eels?

        • Jgg2012

          Jellyfish can live 100 years. Scientology, founded 59 years ago, is on life support.

        • q-bird

          eelpout?! Perhaps an Eelpout, also known as a Burbot, also known as a Lawyer Fish, This fish is a true bottom-dwelling scum-sucking oddball strange & weird fish. A generally shy fishie {unless hungry} it does have itty-bitty pointed teeth. A by-catch fish really, not a target species, usually; it is sometimes caught by accident while fishing for Lake Trout. True, it has a backbone, but it is hardly recognizable… when you go to get the hook out of its silently screaming maw, grabbing it by the throat, it wraps its body/tail around your arm, very much like an eel even tho it’s a fish! wtf?!!! They squirm monstrously and, I chit you not, they SLIME you with a megaton of thick snot-like ickiness — more often than not, they escape your first grasp, the line parts, and they dive back down to the dark deep from whence they came -or- they drop to the bottom of the boat and it’s a damn circus tryin’ to pick them up again… you & your fishing buddies screamin’ & yellin’ & everyone near it gettin’ slimed with fish/eel goo. I don’t even touch them anymore, if I can at all help it. I just snip the line, lose the hook, and retie.

          oh, their flesh is also known as ‘poor man’s lobster’ it is good to eat.

          you’ll have to filet it yourself however – I just … won’t.

          • Captain Howdy

            it’s kinda cute.

            • Sandy

              Naturally… It’s a Minnesota fish!!!

              They have a huge festival up north every winter to catch/honor the buggers

            • q-bird

              okay – I agree, this fish, like Thomas Davis, is kinda cute… but slimy Captain, very ‘beyond belief’ slimy… we are agreed yes?!

  • Observer

    This story has so many despicable events and characters in it that I’m just sitting here sputtering, unable to use my words. I’ve been sitting here for several minutes, utterly unable to articulate my feelings about this.

    • richelieu jr

      That’s what he called ‘pie face ‘in the hole. A sort of vacant stare and neutral expression to avoid attracting the violent attention of the little giant.

  • mook
  • Truthiwant

    This story reminds me of a personal experience I had. It is also a reminder of how
    the “Church” react to people that criticize it or one of it’s members.

    Hubbard has always been known for his double talk but there is another aspect to
    Scientology that can literally drive you crazy and it almost did to me.

    We all know that in Scientology, everyone is responsible for their own actions. This, as a
    generalization, is not an incorrect thing to say, but I think most people would
    agree that it is not always true and sometimes it is completely false.

    Well, in Scientology it is completely and totally true. Period. And no arguing about it.

    So often in Scientology incidents are looked at in a reverse way to what one would normally
    think and accept.

    I’ll give you an example that comes from the State of Man Congress. It goes something
    like this:

    Mr. A is accusing Mrs. B of some bad thing that Mrs. B has done. When this happens, you
    should always ask “What has Mr. A done against Mrs. B?”

    Do you understand? It is the opposite to what one would normally think. Obviously Mr.
    A might have done something against Mrs. B, but in this case, it is Mr. A that
    obviously has some bone to pick with Mrs. B and whatever the outcome, I believe
    that Mr. A. has a right to speak his mind.

    But in Scientology, if a situation like this does arise in real life then a Scientologist
    will ALWAYS ask “What has Mr. A done against Mrs. B?”

    It drives you nuts and I will now tell you why it almost drove me insane. Interestingly,
    it is for the same reason as the example I have just given.

    For many years I was having problems with my wife and in many circumstances I had very
    good reason to criticize her for what she was doing. She was being audited at
    that time in the Org, but at the same time she was making my life literally
    intolerable.

    At that moment I made the biggest Scientologist mistake of my life. I began to talk to
    various people in the Org about what was happening and I quite rightly told
    these Sea Org members the unbearable way that I was being treated by my wife.

    The ONLY reply I got was “What have you done against your wife?”

    Time and again this happened. Some people were more sympathetic and some were
    as cold as ice about my criticism. But in the end it was ME that was chiding my wife and
    hence it was ME that had all the Overts.

    I tell you, this went on for a long, long time and it NEVER got cleared up. It almost drove
    me cuckoo.

    However, in the end it was, in a sort of a way, my saviour. I eventually realized that
    Scientology has no concern for resolving problems and the only thing they want
    is for you to pay for your next level on the Bridge.

    “Just go up the Bridge and these problems will cease” was basically the answer I was given
    to all that torture I was experiencing.

    • 1subgenius

      Very insightful story.

      • Truthiwant

        The continuation to the story is interesting and in fact shows why Scientology just
        does not work.

        My situation with my wife was bad and a great part of these problems were being
        created by Scientology itself.

        Not that I had any desire to continue with auditing or study anymore but it was proposed to me to do an auditing cycle and this is the sort of Catch 22 situation that Scientology creates for a lot of people.

        In Scientology, it is not possible to continue with auditing if you have a “Present
        Time Problem”.

        Well, my present time problem was none other than Scientology itself, because it was not
        doing what it promised.

        So, as you can see, any auditing cycle would not have been possible to run in any case until
        the present time problem was cleared up. But It wasn’t possible to clear up the
        present time problem because it was Scientology itself that was creating all
        the problems!

        Do you understand? How do you clear up a problem with that same problem?!

        In the end, when this sort of situation arises in Scientology, the Org really don’t care a
        dam about you anymore. And in fact they try to get rid of you.

        I ended up with a PTS decare which I think, if I am not wrong, is just one step before an SP decare.

        Maybe this will help some other people to realize that Scientology is a criminal organization and is none other than brain washing.

        • 1subgenius

          This is true.

        • ze moo

          Your problem with scientology was you still had money or credit and Thursday at 2pm was always approaching.

          • Truthiwant

            I could write a saga about them asking for money.

            • Minion Gayle

              Please do.

            • Truthiwant

              I wrote a spoof short story that although satirical and a bit over the top, it gives an idea how IAS fundraisers are.

              You can get it here

              http://wp.me/p3a0JR-aw

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          It’s one of the distinguishing features of a closed-system cult.

          Rule #1: The method never fails, unless it is applied incorrectly.

          In the event of failure while applying the method, see Rule #1.

    • Captain Howdy

      That was doubleplusgood, TIW

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I have been curious as to how the “Third Party” rule applies here. Everything is always your own fault– except in a conflict? There’s “always” a Third Party?

      I’ve always assumed that all of this was just LRH’s way of making it very clear that NOTHING was ever HIS OWN fault. It was always those scheming women, incompetent minions, or nefarious “third parties.”

      • Truthiwant

        Well done. This is another example of Hubbard’s doubletalk.

        “Third party” is something that has existed forever and they are called rumourmongers or the like.

        PTS (Potential Trouble Source) and SP (Suppressive person) are inventions of Hubbard and in most cases are very unrealistic to fact. It’s your own fault, but at the same time you are PTS if you are making mistakes and hence you are connected to an SP, but that SP cannot be Hubbard!

        Put it like this, if the Org asked me “Who are you PTS to?” I would reply

        “I am PTS to creatures that show up when they want something and don’t give a toss about me when they have gotten what they came for……..yes, I am PTS to my cats!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Thank you.

    • richelieu jr

      There is one exception to the ‘Mr A’ paradigm– Miscavige (and, well Hubbard) are never in question. If littel Davey is angry it is someone else’s fault not something he has ‘pulled in’– it is the weight of all those SPs attacking him.. compressing DM into a short, stunted, angry little dwarf

    • aquaclara

      You just showed how the {{church }} of scamatology is not in fact a church. It’s painful to hear, too, that it went on for a long time. It wasn’t you. Sometimes marriages fail, despite a lot of hard work. It is sad, but you cannot blame yourself. I’m sorry for your pain. Repeat after me Eric Oreo’s best line. F*ck the cult.

      When my first marriage failed, I had a sympathetic ear from the pastor of my Catholic church, who are expected to be a little tough on marital break-ups. They weren’t. It helped to hear then that it wasn’t my fault.

      Hope things are better now.

      • Truthiwant

        If a Scientologist could just forget all the LRH mindfuck and sit down with the parishioner and talk to him earnestly, through his own experiences in life, so many problems would be settled.

        For every problem that Scientology tries to resolve, it creates a thousand more problems.

        Don’t worry about me. I’m fine!

  • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

    I’m less interested in Mike shaming Tommy into sharing anything. Based on interviews and written media responses, I’m not Tommy possesses the level of moral awareness to be moved by standard definitions of shame; unless there’s a new definition of shame that I’m otherwise unaware of.

    I’d be more interested in Mike and Marty having a bull-baiting encounter with Tommy (perhaps caught on papal video) where they provoke him into sharing. The one benefit for Tommy is that he’d be able to spill his guts in the onslaught and then claim he was overwhelmed and not to blame.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I would bring chips and dip for that one.

      • Captain Howdy

        Did ya know there’s suppose to be a throw down between Marty and Gerry Armstrong?

        http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/773

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Well, well…that certainly added some density to my already throbbing headache!

          • Captain Howdy

            I was smart and passed out early last nite. So was “Valkyries” the Riddler?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yep. The Marcabian flew by and I missed it!

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              I was having fun. I’ve never been told to STFU before.

            • Mark

              At least the little t*rd said “sorry” to me, which was unexpected.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              At least she didn’t call you a “meanie”.

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              No … But that was my parting response to him/her/TBD.

            • FistOfXenu

              BTN you mean she called you a meanie? Not a blue meanie though, or did she? Because that would call for serious consequences.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              She has called me a meanie under at least six different sox!

              In all fairness, I was a real meanie a couple of times.
              But she was equally busting my chops at that particular point in Bunker history.

            • FistOfXenu

              We’ll all have to look out for you next time but as long as she didn’t call you a Blue Meanie.

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually “Valkyries” is a known playful troll I dubbed “The riddler”. Their original moniker was macarbian “sometin somethin” (ask BTN). Very smart, very crafty.

            • richelieu jr

              OK? you have all officially lost me completely. What language are you speaking?

            • FistOfXenu

              French? 😛

            • Captain Howdy

              Ask BTN. I gotta run.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I was doing a critical science experiment last night.

              (The bunker has to suffer for these exciting discoveries)

              http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-alcohol-space-methanol-quantum-tunneling-physics-cheat-20130701,0,2366673.story

            • Mark

              Methanol?! No wonder you get throbbing headaches. 😉

            • Espiando

              Very doubtful. Valk wasn’t too smart or crafty. When he ended the “spree” by coming to me for advice on how to troll in order to get a reaction here…yeah, I couldn’t help but tell him that it wouldn’t work here like he thought it would. And then someone had to go and compare me to Mr. Miyagi.

            • Captain Howdy

              The riddler is very adept at playing dumb.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I think I read that in a fortune cookie…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yep. It was her.

            • richelieu jr

              OK, are these Bob Dylan lyrics…?

          • cicely neville

            Dang it girl, you’re not listening. You send me ALL the Moscato, no more headaches. See? Simple.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am immune to white wine.
              It was the Port.
              White is good.
              Red is ebil!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              So we’ve got an admission that the port DOES do nasty things to you. I knew it. Love ya anyway.

            • cicely neville

              12 hours ago – you’ll never see this. Oh well.
              If this happens again, any name I pick will be some historic but obscure type.
              Cicely Neville was Richard III’s mother and Elizabeth I’s great-great grandmother.

            • richelieu jr

              ..and one hell of a dancer!

        • ze moo

          “in his first book, Rathbun once again feels compelled to tell us that
          the genius of L. Ron Hubbard’s notion of a “clear” is a human being who
          simply knows his or her “basic personality.”

          To quote Bill Cosby, “what if you’re an asshole?”

          • sugarplumfairy

            I know I’m an impatient, judgmental b*tch with a fierce sense of right and wrong and a big, fat mouth.. Sooooo.. I’m also clear? Cool.. And I never paid a dime to frking co$..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You paid $20 for Dianetics!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Nope.. Never paid for a course.. Did read some of bf’s materiials, but that was enough for me to know scientology was bs..

              I did buy a book much later..first edition, fifth printing.. . But that was for entertainment purposes.. To burn, when co$ finally falls.. And the money went to an antique bookstore guy, not co$..

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              They’ve only ever gotten money from me if they owned the thrift shop…

            • richelieu jr

              The one in front of the Celb Centre? And the café/Bookshop? I have it on good authority they do.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Never shopped there. Never plan to. I’ll stick to the Junior League, Chabad, and Out of the Closet, thank you.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ok then. I thought you and the BF both bought books.

              I don’t know why I think I am the Dianetic’s police anyway.

              I want a badge though.

            • Kim O’Brien

              OMG ….i am a bigger bitch than you …i must be like uber clear or something

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Funny, isn’t it, that according to the person in charge, an individual who has no sense of guilt is either a soulless potential psychopath or the only truly free person in the room.

            • richelieu jr

              Psychopaths and butterflies are free… (and they are both pretty nasty when you look at ’em up close)

            • FistOfXenu

              Sure, but can psychopaths cause a hurricane by flapping its wings?

            • richelieu jr

              No, but they make Jesus cry by fapping their things..

          • richelieu jr

            I love how his genius involved having a notion of a ‘clear’ that is nearly 100% different from Marty’s version 27.0

        • Kim O’Brien

          I thought Marty bailed on that

          • FistOfXenu

            I thought he tried to make it all about Gerry by telling he should by his (Marty’s) book. And then Anonymous bought a copy for Gerry. So is it on or off?

            • Kim O’Brien

              i don’t know …i am just gonna guess that Marty’s ass puckered up and there is no way that conversation is going to happen . Man i hope i am wrong …

            • FistOfXenu

              Personally I think you hit the nail on the head. But I’m hoping for better.

      • FistOfXenu

        I’ll bring the Guinness.

    • richelieu jr

      You’d be more likely to catch Tommy out by getting him to brag about how he inflicted some intentional cruelty on someone (the way racists and fascists talk when no one’s looking), or to talk about hos hard he had it, yet how noble and faithful he remained on the RPF, and all for what?

      Poor, poor Tommy and the harpy he was told to marry.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, remember how proud he was that “he could drive Sweeney psychotic”?

        • richelieu jr

          He’s about to snap, Sir COB! Just lemme at ’em! Maybe he’ll kill himself you’ll see, Aren’t I a good Tommy? Aren’t I? Who’s a good Tommy? I am aren’t I?

          (Davey refuses Scooby, erm Tommy Snack– Tommy loves him all the more for it)

  • Poison Ivy

    “Rinder suggests that the couple got together when Davis “blew” from the church after the Sweeney encounter and Feshbach became his “sec-checker” — the person who was assigned to interrogate him.
    Ah, Scientology love. Nothing like an e-meter and a brutal inquisition to warm the heart.”

    You are so funny, Tony. So this is Scientology’s version of a “Meet-Cute.”

    • Captain Howdy

      Scientology’s version of “Christian Mingles” re-dubbed “Scientology Shingles”.

      • Kim O’Brien

        “We can have a relationship based entirely on sec ”

        “I wanna sec you up ”

        “Sec with you is so hot ”

        ” you are the best sec i have ever had ”

        Scientology dirty talk ….does nothing for me

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          And all that secting on the cell phone…

          • FistOfXenu

            The weird stuff starts when they have to write it all down and put in each other’s folders. And if it’s on video as well for Davey’s private enjoyment.

          • richelieu jr

            ‘Secte’ in French is how we say ‘cult’ (‘Culte’ is a false-friend- It means any religion, like La culte Catholique)

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            my fav phone sec line. For thetan massage press 1, for a good stern ethics handling press 2, for JT press 3, for naval cosplay press 4…..oh I’m sorry for the LRH memorial exteriorization out of this guhLAXee please add more credits.

        • HeatherGraceful

          Practise safe sec.

        • Jgg2012

          Lets not get into “same-sec” romance or “sec as I define it.”

          • Kim O’Brien

            “anal sec” ….there …i said it 😉

            • q-bird

              oh!! i just lol’d – & now must go to work – cheers Kim. 😀

              p.s. you Bunkerites are wicked smart & funny. yep. yep.

            • Jgg2012

              There is a new org in Prague, hence sec Czechs and Czech secs.

            • villagedianne

              Oww!!!

        • richelieu jr

          It’s gettin’ hot in here
          So go pick up yo’ cans
          It is gettin’ so hot,

          I wanna picck dem cans up…

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Hey baby, your Org is ideal for me! Just the right size. As big as Saint Hill.

    • Observer

      I can’t even imagine the level of dysfunction in a relationship between sec checker and sec checkee that began during a sec check cycle. I’m sure it fits Hubbard’s criteria for an ethical 2D though, and that’s really all that matters.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ YES!

        WTF

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Mmmmmm. Imagine the chit chat during foreplay.

        Or don’t.

        • Espiando

          To hell with the chit-chat. I want to know what they did with the cans.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Made me laugh.

        • Vistaril

          “Oh, go on . . . you can squeeze a bit harder”

          “You don’t know what that’ll do to my needle”

          “Will it help release the overt?”

          “I guess . . . especially if there’s a rythmic swing”

          “Are you planning to blow?”

          . . . Rule 34 and all that.

        • FistOfXenu

          “Have you ever despoiled a planet of its resources?”

          “Mmmmm I love it when you talk dirty!”

          “Have you ever caused a planet to disappear?”

          “oooo, yes, yes, YES!”

          “Have you ever pretended to a power you did not possess?”

          “Oh baby, you know how I like it”

          And now I wish I didn’t.

        • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

          I’m thinking it would make certain aspects of the pre-first coitus experience more efficient.

          Jessica: After reviewing your latest session, and sneaking a peek at your pc folders, here are the -things- I will do for you in the 2D and here are the things that you’ll need to do yourself.

      • FistOfXenu

        It’s all about what they do with the cans.

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        She had the upper hands knowing all of Tommy’s secrets. It gave her leverage when she had to crack the whip on him.

        • Imagine the secrets she could share should she blow.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Noting touching that with a 10ft pole…

            Where’s Derek?

            • OMG no double entendre meant when I posted that one. Well lets just wait. Derek owes me one.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Actually, there are precedents. One of Hitler’s private secretaries ended up marrying her British interrogator after the war.

      • Poison Ivy

        Fascinating. Is there a book on that?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I read this detail in “The Bunker” by James O’Donnell.

    • Teeny derail here but so funny. There is a sheet at a place I work that goes through 3 people. Their initials are S E and C before I input the document I have to put a check mark to ensure I have verified S E and C have done their share. I do 12 SEC checks per day out here in the wog world.

      • i-Betty

        Lol, ARGH! Is there no escaping it?! 😀

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Ha! OKStupid instead of OKCupid perhaps?

    • villagedianne

      I read somewhere, years ago, someone said Jessica Feshback was the one who was assigned to sec-check Tom Cruise’s children, Bella and Connor. Maybe Feshback was a sec-checker for VIPs in Scientology, and maybe she gave them a sec-check lite. That could explain the bizarre circumstance of falling in love with one’s sec-checker.
      What do you think, any ex-Scientologists think this may be a possibility?

  • Captain Howdy

    I wanna see Tommy and Mike in the Octagon. Give them weapons and throw in three rabid Honey Badgers and two very hungry Caucasian Mountain dogs. Who or whatever wins gets to face Marty.

    • Truthiwant

      Gladiator II. The Sequel.

      • Captain Howdy

        “Two men enter..One man leaves”

        Mad Marty vs Masterblaster

        • Observer

          Hahaha, nice!

        • Imelda Marcos

          Bwaaa!!

        • InTheNameOfXenu

          MasterBlaster?! You guys are killing me, LOL!

        • richelieu jr

          Dude you are so reading my mind..

          I almost made the same joke but I was afraid no one would get it!

  • Bird88

    Wow that admition from Rinder about Cruise’s brutality is startling, and really shows how deep he is into the culture. Get the picture that Tom’s like Anakin , And COB(Palpatine) is trying to or has turned him into Darth Vader. ( the endpoint of scientology)

    • Captain Howdy

      Tony reported awhile back that Cruise had supposedly physically abused his staff, including a woman.

      • Bird88

        Thanks i hadn’t read that really thats terrible, but something about him beating on Tommy Davis, who was the then public P.R face of the church, someone who was supposably in power, and also a fellow parishioner. So just to me Cruise striking Tommy seems particularly bizarre. We’ve all seen Tommy on the news and he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who takes shit. And to have him getting socked by cruise

        And why Cruise would beat on him , i dunno, for probably stupid paranoid (KSW) reasons, and delusions that he is mightier then all, enforcing the law of scn like misscabbage. Is this what scientology does to people? But Regardless one can only speculate on his reasons and motives were for this act. But isn’t just the the act of physical abuse, itself abhorent, And to have it coming from our celebrities. Yep what a great influence Scientology is to people. A culture of abuse.

        • FistOfXenu

          “And why Cruise would beat on him” We’ve all see how he acted when he thought he was the golden boy. If he tried that with TC after TC’d been given the speech about Big Beanz by DM, Davis is lucky he didn’t get it worse.

  • BosonStark

    “Tommy told me he was physically assaulted by Tom [Cruise] (“I deserved it”) who followed in the footsteps of his mentor Dave.”

    Maybe Miscavige told Tommy to tell this to Mike to mess with his head? Like anyone, I’m game for a good Tom Cruise (or Tommy Davis) story, but it’s too bad Rinder couldn’t get a few more details, such as WHY Tom Cruise physically assaulted Tommy Davis.

    No, that he was following “in the footsteps of his mentor Dave” does not explain everything.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Actually, this thing about Tom Cruise abusing Tommy Davis has been out there for a while.
      It was in Rathbun’s book: The Scientology Reformation.
      But there was no explanation of when, where, why and how.

      • BosonStark

        So, I would assume Rathbun got that story from Rinder? Can we assume that?

        Rinder provides no context for this story. He could say, “I don’t remember when it was but…” or he could say when it was and in what context Tommy told this story. He could mention his response or thoughts, or say, “I don’t remember what I was thinking at the time when he told me this.”

        Given that Rinder and Davis were both spokesholes, Sciloontology puppets, and probably a lot under the control of Miscavige, you would think that even though they were kind of in competition with each other. Rinder might think to ask Davis, “Why did Tom Cruise assault you? Gee, how could this happen? Was it a misunderstanding? Did it have to do with pleasing COB? Was there sex involved?”

        Just out of self-preservation, with Mike Rinder’s head buried as far up Cruise’s ass as it was, you would think he would want to know what Tommy Davis did just to make sure he didn’t piss off Cruise in a similar manner.

        I guess this kind of blogging by Rinder beats the posts where he’s spraying whipped cream on the Scientology shit cake, about how Sciloons COULD be showing the rest of the world how ethical they are but all because of David Miscavige…

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I love your way with words.

          makes note of:

          “he’s spraying whipped cream on the Scientology shit cake”

          • Captain Howdy

            B.S definitely has a way with words.

            • Espiando

              He does. Sometimes I wish that he’d use another parodic reference for Book One other than “Dianutty”, but that’s sort of his signature, and I’m not going to deny him it.

            • FistOfXenu

              And $cientology definitely has a way with BS

        • pronoia

          Don’t forget JB. A lot of the Nazanin Boniadi details came from him as he was kind of attached to the cruise household at that point.

          • BosonStark

            But Rinder is writing on his blog, “Tommy told me…” Why would that mean JB told him? Granted, JB was a huge Source for information on Tom Cruise, and Cruise and the cult made a big mistake by not paying that man off with big hush money when he left.

            • pronoia

              Sorry. I was referring to other stories of abuse in the Cruise compounds that neither Rinder or Rathbun could have first hand knowledge of. JB would be an excellent source, I would imagine. As he was never hired directly by Cruise, but rather worked for him on the church dime, he is probably not bound by a confidentiality agreement. Same might also be true about Tommy Davis.

        • FistOfXenu

          “The midget beats on me all the time and it would make a refreshing change”
          From DM to TC? that’s not much change.

        • Lady Squash

          It may or may not have happened, but if it did happen Rinder would not have asked Tommy Davis about it. For one thing, you see enough that’s illogical, you go a bit numb. For another thing, you never get a straight answer, so why bother. For another thing, it’s dangerous to ask questions, it’s too easy for it to become about you.

      • pronoia

        What was the time period that this was happening? Did it coincide with the couch jumping era? Makes one wonder if he ever hit Katie Holmes. Even being exposed to that kind of behavior is a form of abuse and intimidation.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Workplace violence and domestic abuse often go hand in hand. If Cruise’s temper is that bad, it begs the question of whether his violence is one of Hollywood’s best kept secrets.

  • media_lush

    Incidentally it’s Tommy Girl’s 51st birthday today and there are loads of stories of him writing a ‘heartfelt’ letter to Katie …. have most of them here http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/

    • Sherbet

      Wouldn’t it be funny to send TC a cake from all of us at The Bunker?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Can we put laxatives in the frosting?

        • Sherbet

          Now, now, Bury. Just because TC is full of “it,” we shouldn’t stoop to his level.

          • Captain Howdy

            But he said he’s carrying a load. It’s the least we could do.

            • Sherbet

              You’re clickin’ on all cylinders today, Howdy.

            • Captain Howdy

              I know. Better quit while I’m ahead.

            • Sherbet

              I’m leaving the Bunker for awhile, so I can get some work done. Yesterday was a lost cause. See y’all later on.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Hear that. It’s sad and lonely out there, but stuff gets done…

            • Espiando

              If Tom Cruise was fed laxatives, there wouldn’t be enough of him left to put into a dime bag.

            • FistOfXenu

              For sure – helping him to be less full. That’s gotta be uncomfortable after a while.

            • Robert Eckert

              We’re the only ones who can help!

        • Observer

          Maybe it would help him pass the stick that’s lodged up in there.

          • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

            That’s not a stick ….

        • Minion Gayle

          I find mixing melted chocolate ex-lax right in with the brownies to be fairly effective.

          Not that I ever did that to any of college roommates or anything. *clearing throat*

          • BuryTheNuts2

            There is a reason “Minion” is in your screen name girl!!!

            Now, I was too mature to do something like that in college!

            However…high school…cupcakes……..

            OK, so I really hated my Home Economics teacher!!!!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You flunked pillow cases? Now there’s a confession if ever I heard one.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. That’s gonna be in the new version of the Jo’burg.

            • Minion Gayle

              In all fairness, I did warn the roommate in question not to eat the brownies. Perhaps if she’d stopped stealing food from her roommates she wouldn’t have found herself in a midterm with explosive bowel syndrome.

              Of course, if she hadn’t been stealing food from her roommates, we probably wouldn’t have spent the afternoon before her midterm trying to melt chocolate Ex-Lax in the microwave.

              Editted to add: Did we have the same HomeEc teacher? I flunked denim bag (which was really just a pillowcase with a draw string.)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I think we are sisters.

            • stanrogers

              You really, really shouldn’t do that, you know. It kills the temper. You should use a double boiler.

      • mook
        • Sherbet

          Oh, my, mook! That’s hysterically funny!!!

      • 0tessa

        Space cake?

        • Sidney18511

          Marcabian muffins?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      51.

      That’s 200 trillion in Scientology years…

    • Robert Eckert

      Seems like an excuse to repost my favorite TC clip for those who missed it yesterday:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjGmZJu8OnY

  • aquaclara

    Scott and Karry’s story is riveting. Drugging Scott’s food and subjecting them both to torment adds to the evidence that the COS has been rotten to the core for a long time. Karry’s description of Scott, who had not been eating, sadly matches up to the photo posted above of an underweight Mike Rinder. Karen and AGP, thank you for cueing us in to the happy ending that will come, before we hear of more cult atrocities.
    And thanks, Scott and Karry for speaking out.

  • Sherbet

    Every time I read about another abuse committed in the name of this phony church, I want to, well, I don’t know what I want to do. Just scream, maybe. Some members just deny this stuff goes on, but others must know. People see and people gossip. If they’d step away, mentally, from the “gotta save the planet” rhetoric, maybe they’d see that this is no church, no spiritual assembly, no positive way to happiness. One doesn’t beat people and call it righteous or holy.

    • Captain Howdy

      “One doesn’t beat people and call it righteous or holy.”

      The CC “beat” people and called it righteous for at least a millennium. Sharia loving muslims are beating people and worse all over the planet. You just opened a can of proverbial worms, Sherb.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Perhaps “doesn’t” should have been “shouldn’t”….

        • Sherbet

          Thanks. I made the edit, B.

      • Sherbet

        Howdy, I knew someone would come up with the abusive history of other religions, but I didn’t expect it to be you. I KNOW other religions have done it and continue to do it, but it’s dead wrong when they do. scientology is supposed to be better than all that, more spiritual, because it encourages a person to develop his/her highest, purest self.

        • Captain Howdy

          “but I didn’t expect it to be you.”

          Nobody expects the Howdy Inquisition!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Sometimes you are such a literalist!

            😉

            • Captain Howdy

              Don’t be maligning me with your highfalutin ten dollar words, Missy.

          • Sherbet

            Ha!

          • richelieu jr

            Gods, I was just listening to that on a Python record (and Ive never listened the records before) today!

            Where is Cardinal Fang?

            • Captain Howdy

              Hah! I gotta go park the car in Harvard Yard i.e I gotta go to the bank to get the rent or my slumlord is going to take it out in trade..later.

            • stanrogers

              Fetching the comfy chair, your Eminence.

        • Vistaril

          Patterson’s Law: “All public Internet discussions about Scientology will include a post claiming that all religions are equally bad

          • FistOfXenu

            FOX’s corollary: Claims that all religions are equally bad will be made either by angry atheists or OSA trolls”

          • Minion Gayle

            *snort* That would be funny if it wasn’t so true.

      • ThetaBara

        Two wrongs don’t make a right, Cap’n.

        • richelieu jr

          No, but if you rub you’re wrong up against mine we may make it a night…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It’s what happens when Power becomes more important than Righteousness (and not self righteousness, a whole different thing). And when a religion– any religion– gains absolute power, things get truly ugly. The idea of a world filled with Scientologists– committed to the Tech and carrying out LRH’s Word is horrific to contemplate.

      • Sidney18511

        DDD….just the thought of a world under the thumb of Scientologests send shivers down my spine.

  • koki

    Here ,you have two people that are already out and they still have to choose words….
    That is a sad story.
    Now,Tommy , leave him alone…
    There are a plenty of people who are out of cult for years now ,and they are still quiet…Marty,mike,even Karen…
    So let’s give him another year of cult two…

    Big hello from LRH Bulgravia.

    • Sherbet

      “Cult two” — says it all, koki.

      • koki

        I think you get ,what I was trying to explain…..
        Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

    • Sidney18511

      koki….tommy and Jessica are still surrounded by family members who are mouthpieces for the “church” ……they will not EVER leave the LRH bubble of fantasyland.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    and in other news:

    [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/fcqv75.jpg[/IMG]

    • BuryTheNuts2

      It hurts to laugh this hard!

    • Espiando

      THDNE: Just put the URL to the link in your post without any tags. You don’t need to add forum tags here. Diksuq doesn’t recognize them. That will also put the photo in-line so we don’t have to click ling (again, if Diksuq cooperates).

    • sugarplumfairy

      Sarah Palin calling ANYBODY an airhead diva is pretty darn funny..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        So is “clearly in over her head”

        • pronoia

          So sez’ the former Miss Wasilla!

      • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

        If the shoe fits … put the other one on …

      • richelieu jr

        Pot, meet Kettle…

    • stanrogers

      I really hate to spoil this fun, but it seems that was a hoax. A very, very credible hoax, mind you — except for my inexplicable cynicism even about my own cynicism, I wouldn’t have bothered checking. See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/09/us-weekly-fake-sarah-palin-_n_821116.html

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hoax?
        I thought it was a parody!

        • stanrogers

          As Tina Fey demonstrated, you don’t actually have to parody her — parroting does the same thing with more laughs.

    • FistOfXenu

      Hell no! I hoped I’d never have to see Palin again. She always looks like her face is gonna open out in segments and I’ll see the robot under it, like she’s a Stepford Wife or some thing.

      I’d really laugh if Aquilera found a way to sue her.

      • Missionary Kid

        Remember, she’s good buds with Greta Van Sustern.

  • Sherbet

    Davis’s statement that he “deserved it” is equally shocking. Battered spouse syndrome.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      BSS=Battered Scientologist Syndrome

    • the wrong cranberry

      This. The one thing I hate most about Scientology – not the Church, but the belief system itself – is that “pulling it in” victim-blaming bullshit. It’s awful and it’s infuriating. Nobody deserves to be assaulted, or disconnected from, or to get cancer, or whatever else Scientology blames on its followers. Statements like that one just break my heart and make me see red.

    • richelieu jr

      I believe him.

  • pronoia

    The bit about Tom Cruise pounding on Tommy (who was Tom not Tommy before he met TC) is astounding. Not that it happened but that Rinder actually wrote it in his blog. One would think that he wld be somewhat concerned about being noticed by Bert Fields. And yet, it almost seems like he wants Fileds to notice….or someone else? A few some bodies are going to be upset that Davis complained, I would think.

    Wonder what Rinder is really up to? Are we going to be seeing more of this sort of thing now that he finally has his divorce and has bee free to remarry?

    Boy oh boy. I wonder what Katie Holmes knows and saw.

  • Espiando

    The question, of course, becomes why would Mike call out Footbullet Man now. Does Mike know something we don’t about Tommy’s status vis-a-vis in or out? If there was a goldenrod on Mike and Jessica, one of Mike’s sources would have revealed it to him, but Mike would have crowed about it to hell and back. Mike is working on his book, though. I wonder how much of it will deal with Mike training Tommy to become the Maul to his Sidious.

    I don’t expect anything to happen. I’ve said it any number of times: Tommy and Jessica will do nothing to halt the money spout from the Davises, the Archers, and the Feshbachs. There’s too much in the pile there, even after the Scinos have taken their cut. If Tommy spoke out, he’d be betting everything on The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy taking the “celebrity tech” route and not requiring Disconnection. When you’re dealing with DM, you can’t bet on anything as a certainty if it doesn’t directly involve DM’s ego. Hell, even Lisa Marie Presley, heiress to one of the biggest fortunes in music, isn’t taking risks like that. I don’t expect a ball-less wonder like Tommy to do so.

    I get these flashes about what the Tommy/Jessica relationship is like. I have zero doubt that it’s primarily dom/sub, with Jessica as the dom. Mike’s line about her sec-checking him cemented that. If Observer can do something with Tommy and a ball gag…

    • BuryTheNuts2

      OH, Oh, Oh………………..Someone confiscate this keyboard form me….quick!!!!

      • Minion Gayle

        No way! Let it out, let it all out!!!!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Howdy and E already ran with it…..and there is no way I am topping: “Anne and the dead rabbit”

          • Minion Gayle

            I thought Jessica was the one doing the “topping.”

            *whistling innocently*

            • BuryTheNuts2

              RimShot!

          • richelieu jr

            “Anne and the Dead Rabbit” was my favourite kids book…

    • Captain Howdy

      I have a vision of a shoop by O of Anne & Jessica in dominatrix duds dealing out some domination to Tommy, who’s down on all fours on the floor.

      Please make it so, O

      • Espiando

        And if you can work it into the shoop, please have Anne do something with a dead rabbit.

        • Captain Howdy

          Ooooh yes! She’s spanking Tommy with a dead rabbit.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Time for this one to take a shower…

      • MO Mom

        Bad mental image, bad mental image!!!!

    • villagedianne

      Tommy’s parents are divorced, and Tommy’s dough comes from his father, who is not a Scientologist. Hopefully the trust fund was set up so that COS can’t get their hands on it.

      • richelieu jr

        Hopefully the church got it all (and will lose it in a series of burtal lawsuits) and Tommy ends up SCOHB like his master always said…

    • richelieu jr

      Tommy’s a sub alright.. He’s had little Davey riding him around Hemet like “My Pretty Tommy”…

      Neigh! Neigh! COB! OH god, call me an acronym my Broney Master!

      • Bella Legosi

        Or
        “Thank you, Sir! May I have another?!”

  • Sunny Sands

    Why I believe Tommy and Jessica will never speak out is because they will never suffer like Laura D., the Headleys, the Hole detainees, and many others have. Mike R. only blew when the tables were turned on him, and his picture above attests to his poor treatment
    .
    I think Tommy is easily cowed, by his mother, Tom Cruise, DM, and Jessica. He only gets brash when he is on assignment by one of the above.

    • Sidney18511

      I agree with you Sunny. Having grown up wealthy and with unlimited personal funds always available, tommy and Jessica both have lived in the bubble of wealth. Everyday problems that would effect 99% of the population is something that they have never experienced and would know nothing about. Empathy for others would not be something that would concern them I would think.
      Of course, there are many wealthy people who do and can feel sympathy for others, who are appaled at injustice and will try to correct it. Unfortunatly, I don’t believe that Tommy and Jessica are one of those people. Of course people can change. Their hearts can open and they can correct the wrongs that they were involved in. Maybe one day this will happen to the Davis family.

      • richelieu jr

        I agree with you totally except for “Everyday problems that would effect 99% of the population is something
        that they have never experienced and would know nothing about.”

        This is where they are truly nasty, IMHO– They DO know. First hand in some cases. And they still dealt it out… This isn’t millionaires not knowing how much a litre of milk costs, or George Bush Sr being impressed by a supermarket scanner. This is rich people, for believe, fanaticism, curiousity, or cruelly knowingly trying to : Drive people insane, harass and stalk people, lie to police,media and regular folks, imprison people and lie about it, break up families and lie about it.. Brag to their boss about how quickly they can force someone to have psychotic break.

        They knew; They know; And they get to just carry on living their comfortable lives. That is serious war criminal type behaviour…

        Tommy and Fleshcrawls are torture tourists.

  • Truthiwant

    Rinder’s post finishes off with a very fine quotation from Reverend Shuttlesworth.

    Scientology have never and could never finish off or even contemplate a quote by anybody except His Holiness Hubbard.

    How sad and absurd to believe in just one person.

    • richelieu jr

      Besides, me, you mean…

      • Truthiwant

        Are you thinking of starting a religion?

  • koki

    This is funny….
    So Tommy is a liar ,because he did it on TV,
    Buy Mike is not ,because he did it on TV also, but Mike was first one to put it on blog!!??!!!!!
    Come on people,leave your anger behind,and be more like Tony…check story one more,and one more and then few times more…
    There is my truth,yours truth….and there are facts….
    Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

    • Espiando

      So who’s saying that Mike isn’t a liar? No one here, and, for that matter, Mike’s admitted, many times, that he lied in the name of Scientology, and he’s come clean on a lot of what he did (as a proportion of crimes, more than Marty has). Mike is also making amends in his own way, by exposing lies for the benefit of the under-the-radars. Mike also knows that there are a lot of people with long memories who won’t let him off the hook for what he did when he was in, and he accepts that as one of the rules of the game (again, unlike Marty).

      What exactly have you got against Rinder? What does he have to do to satisfy your Balkan needs?

      The fact is that the person with the most right and the most clout to tell Tommy Davis to come clean is his old boss and mentor. I don’t begrudge Mike for doing so.

      • koki

        I don’t have opinion about mike,which makes you and me on opposite side…
        I just want to point out,that it is easy to make other one more darker or scared, but that is how I see it….
        About Balkan….
        Would you be so kind and write me ,how many countries you have been,beside Google maps,then later if you have time write me how many languages you speak….
        And most important, you are here few months… where were you couple years ago… or is it you mike…:-)
        After WWP you are lost….

        • koki

          I almost forgot…..
          Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

          • FistOfXenu

            FLUNK!

            • koki

              Ooo,….
              …….
              .-………
              C to tha o to tha m,to tha m,to tha o……and n.
              Common
              Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

        • Espiando

          Other than the United States: Germany (lived there for three years), France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain, Switzerland, Italy, Canada, Mexico, and Japan. I only speak two languages, English and German, with a smattering of a number of others.

          As for “where I was”, I was a 2008-era Anon. Had to stop in 2009 due to jobs/movement. Started lurking at the Voice more than a year ago. Decided to start posting when Tony moved to his blog since I hated the Voice’s comment system.

          Piss off.

          • koki

            Oh , tnx….
            Now my Balkan osa brothers will track you down.
            But after a while,you will understand what I am writing about…
            Wish you all ,that I wish to my self….in life….
            Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

            • Espiando

              OSA already knows who I am. I name-fagged myself in 2008 to get some press for Anon. They’ve never gone after me.

              And I know what you’re writing about. You’re considering Mike and Tommy as twins, and you believe that we’re giving Mike a free pass about his “crimes” while laying into Tommy (you also don’t realize that we’re laying into Tommy because five years ago, he turned himself into a lulzcow and deserves every bit of ridicule we can dish out). We’re not giving Mike a free pass. If he does something we disagree with, the knives will come out (we did it with Marty). At this point, he hasn’t.

              He seems utterly sincere about striking blows at his old masters. Yeah, he’s doing it out of revenge and not altruism. So what? The key is that someone with the weapons that will do the most damage is using those weapons and causing damage. Thanks to Mike’s position and name, he’s done more than most to show what a joke the Idle Morgue program is, and he’s targeted the same group of people that Debbie Cook’s letter did: the wavering still-ins.

              The point is, do not charge us with hypocrisy because every single post here isn’t drooling with venom toward Mike Rinder. We know what Rinder’s done. But for now, we’re willing to give him provisional status as pretty cool guy and doesn’t afraid of anything.

            • koki

              OK,tnx.
              I am glad ,that you took my advice and just take a few minutes to think about this silly situation…..
              You try to attack me ,without real reason…
              But now….we are getting there.
              Wish you all best in your life.
              Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

            • Espiando

              I tried to attack you? In what way? It appears that you tried to attack all of us for not calling Rinder out on charges of hypocrisy, and you got huffy when I defended the stance that most people were taking here. And then there was the “you’re an American, what do you know about foreign countries?” cliche that you directed against me, not to mention my so-called “inexperience” here.

              The butthurt you experienced when we didn’t all just bow down before you and start the meas culpa for being such naughty, naughty hypocrites is not my responsibility.

            • koki

              Is this misdirection?
              When did I,or even you mention america or Americans?
              My Balkan osa, is paging me that you are making big lie!!
              So now….
              Cut it of!!!!
              Tony hate this as a rest of the world!
              OK ,u are the man.
              Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

            • Espiando

              What part of “Would you be so kind and write me ,how many countries you have been,beside Google maps,then later if you have time write me how many languages you speak….” isn’t mean to imply that since I’m American, I haven’t been to any countries outside of the US?

            • koki

              Why did not you say that you are 10 year old…
              Now I am out!
              Stop this ….
              But anyway …..big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.
              Do you know that LRH was a con man?

            • stillgrace

              Just a friendly, cat-meme-free observation: you have reverted to your habit of using “us” and “we” while you flex your muscles here in the Bunker.

              Unless I missed an announcement by Tony or one of his voting thingies, you are not a spokesperson for the Bunker.

              You have ample believability and authority all on your own. You can employ the words “I” and “me” during discussions to make your points. Or if you are speaking as part of another group or message board while you are here in the Bunker (and you have their permission to speak for them), you could say ‘Those of us in Anonymous (or the Boy Scouts or whatever) say and think …whatever.’

              Obviously, I can’t speak for the rest of the Bunkerites. I don’t like your use of “us” and “we”. It bugs “me”.

            • Espiando

              The use of “we” in this case was based on koki’s OP, which appeared to be calling everyone here out on not condemning Mike for hypocrisy. I believe my post above makes that clear. You just have a reflexive reaction whenever I use the word “we”, and ignore context.

            • stillgrace

              Correction: I do not ignore context. I object to your use of “us” and “we”. C’mon Espiando, you can speak for yourself. You do not need to rely on specious references to groups. You can stand on your own.

            • Espiando

              But you did ignore context in this case. The OP wondered why there seemed to be a group amnesia regarding Rinder’s crimes. It was necessary to address it in the plural. Nowhere did I say I was speaking for all of us. Please read my post below, specifically the quote about “It appears you that you tried to attack all of us”.

              I don’t feel like getting into another pissfight with you about this issue. If you notice, I haven’t been using the Royal We here very much. You don’t have to call me out on every single instance.

            • stillgrace

              NO! It doesn’t matter what justification you put on it. You don’t speak for me.

            • Espiando

              Then I expect you to say the same thing to everyone on here who uses the first-person plural vis-a-vis the Bunker. Do that, and I’m fine with it.

            • stillgrace

              If I notice it, I surely will. Sometimes, your use of the plural is impossible NOT to notice. The ironic thing is: you don’t need to implicitly include the rest of us. Your opinion and voice easily stand on its own.

            • the wrong cranberry

              omg, did someone down arrow you just to balance out my up arrow?

            • stillgrace

              Thanks! Down arrows are welcome. Won’t change my mind, though.

            • stillgrace

              Once is too often.

            • koki

              That is…….
              Tnx.
              Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia…

              Now,they will say we are a pair of osa workers…

            • stillgrace

              Politely: I wasn’t speaking to you.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Oh bother. When it’s time to get out the measuring tape, everybody else clears the room. Don’t you know that’s the way it works?

          • FistOfXenu

            And then there’s washing the walls and repainting them and replacing the rugs. And you still won’t get that smell to go away.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Yay, Mike Rinder! I hope he keeps exposing the abuses and I hope he finally convinces tommy to talk.. While he’s at it, I hope he convinces Marty to tell everything he knows too..

  • Phil McKraken

    Anyone ever read Great Expectations? The Prison Ship Freewinds reminds me of that prison ship that Magwitch escapes from, but worse because they drug your food too.

    • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

      No … but this love story with Tommy reminds me of Mad TV’s “Lowered Expectations” …

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Man I miss that show!

  • richelieu jr

    Look, Anne just sold one of Tommy’s $cilon kids books at a garage sale!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Heck, I’d love to hear Tommy Davis’ take on this:
    “We can’t help thinking about a fellow journalist, who told us that his publication had decided that getting a response from the church had become pretty much superfluous. “We decided that the Church of Scientology is simply not a reliable source of information about itself,” he said.

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/06/18/what-scientologists-at-war-left-out-some-annotations-on-channel-4s-documentary/

  • Xique

    Karry and Scott Campbell’s story is powerful. Disturbing, stunning, inspiring, you name it. I’m staying tuned for the rest of their story.

  • 0tessa

    The physical ‘reality adjustment’ is an old phenomenon in the Sea Org. I saw it happening already in the 1970’s. A new appointed Commanding Officer from the Sea Org and his wife as deputy took control of a small organization in Europe. Especially the wife ‘liked’ to literally shake people up to get them in line. I remember a woman staffmember being so shocked for days about it.

    I think it was rationalized by explaining that the physical treatment was meant to get people out of their ‘bank’ (their reactive mind). ‘No harm done’.

  • Ian

    Could I suggest that, if he’s going by the name Thomas now, to avoid being googled, it might be worth referring to him in headlines and copy as Thomas Davis, to build up the google-juice for his new name? I know it sounds odd, but it wouldn’t for long. The guy has the right to leave his old life behind, of course, but folks have the equal right not to forget.

    • richelieu jr

      Excellent point! Also on Key Words for Google searches…

      Does this haircut have a Wikipedia page?

  • Marc Headley

    Slow clap for Mike.

    It is often joked that Tommy was the best member Anonymous ever had.

    He arguably was the one that consistently brought home the bacon in terms of hollow-point foot bullets.
    He was the one that could tell the best and most outlandish lies and keep a straight face.
    He was the the one that drove a shiny BMW SUV and wore a 15K watch and was in the Sea Org – where most members would make less in a year than he spent on that watch or on gas in his car. And how he was a dedicated member.

    He was the one that went around and told my friends and employees that I was evil and “like Hitler” all becuase I left the organization that he worked for. That I was an “enemy of the group.”

    He was the one who would ultimately do exactly what I did, but because of the climate that ex-members had created, he was able to leave without issue. Mainly because that is what he had been telling people for years. Anyone can leave and there are “no consequences.”

    Before I left, Tommy & Jessica would have been tracked down, black bagged, brought back and made to confess for weeks or months on the E-Meter, sleep in a bed bug infested shit hole, eating leftover rainbow beef and sweaty cheese. Only after it could be seen that they would never talk and had signed enough documents to kill a small forest, they could maybe go work for some douche bag Scilon that would keep an eye on them for a few years.

    Guess what Tommy. Stories about you will keep coming out until you talk. You can change your name all you want. You can move wherever you want. The interwebs will find you and smoke you out. You know all those people you talked to? They are starting to talk. More will come forward as they leave and tell people what you told them. Until you tell your story, others will continue doing so for years to come. Guess what Tommy. There ARE consequences to what you did. You will continue to experience them until you make them right.

    Dave Miscavige will continue spinning stories as well. If you think his “medical” cover was a doozy, wait until you hear the others that come out. You know what he is capable of. You know how you got really pissed when I used to tell people how you were a “drug revert” because you smoked pot after you did the Purif? Well, when you were galavanting around with Tom Cruise, Shelly Miscavige said that, “It was not a ‘drug revert’ because you had not done drugs prior to the Purif!” But who’s kidding who? It is YOUR handwriting on YOUR life history that says you smoked pot after you did the Purif. Hey – I am not judging you for this – you could move near me and smoke it all day long outside the police station and no one would look sideways at you. But the lies? They must be made right. Only you can make them right. Who says Dave Miscavige doesn’t just let that Life History leak out and then blame it on me. Or it gets leaked “anonymously” and gets blamed on Dave? You know how this game goes…We played for so many years.

    You know how much it cost to make it okay for Sea Org members to have kids again? You know how much it cost to make it so people could leave the Sea Org with minimal B.S.? You know how much it cost to make it so people could start going and seeing their families again? A lot of work and about 200K. Some of that was spent by the people reading this blog! The money part is not a stretch for you, the work I could see you trying to get out of.

    Maybe you could do some good with that lilly ass of yours for once in your life. At least try.

    • SandiCorrena

      Thank goodness his name wasn’t something like Owen or Sean cause he’d have nothing to work with…

    • Truthiwant

      Great one Marc.I LOVE IT!!

    • Vistaril

      Yeah . . . it was a sad day in Xenu’s cave when we lost Tommy Davis. At least he sent his ID card back.

    • sugarplumfairy

      jeeeez.. I have this urge to stand and applaud.. Amen, Marc.. It’s time to do the right thing..

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Yeah, Tommy is such a sock-puppet of Miscavige. He gets the worst spokesperson of the century award. Just goes to show you that money doesn’t buy you any class.

      Get out of the cult Tommy and when your has-been actress mom disconnects from you, then you’ll know the suffering Hubbard’s creation and your denial has caused. Wake up and smell Miscavige’s stench.

    • 1subgenius

      U mad?
      “Let fury have its hour
      Anger can be power.
      You know that you can use it.”
      (The Clash)

    • Synthia Fagen

      Wow. Marc Headley pulls no punches and never should. Thanks for being real and calling a spade a spade — you have, with your integrity intact, very much earned the right to speak as you do.

    • richelieu jr

      Hear, hear Marc!

      It was your book that first it the fire of real anger under me about this $cilon nonsense, and every time you really tel it like it is, I can see where I got this clear eyed anger from…

      Tommy is really the worst of what Scientology can be,because not only doe she give in to the worst fanaticism, he always wants to be exempt, and feels he should be as noblesse oblige…

      What a slimy, vicious coward.

    • Truthiwant

      I don’t know if Tommy Davis is a Scientologist anymore but let me generalize and talk about all
      those “Bad Guys”.

      Some of these people are still somehow connected to Scientology, maybe as an Independent.

      These people consider themselves as “pure Scientologists” and hence they take literally the
      writings of LRH.

      One of the things that all these “bad guys” would have do is Ethics handling, but maybe without the
      sec-checks.

      Basically one has to place oneself in one of the Ethics conditions and go through that condition and on to the next one.

      The conditions are these from the highest level to the lowest level.

      Power

      Power Change

      Affluence

      Normal Operation

      Emergency

      Danger

      Nonexistence

      Liability

      Doubt

      Enemy

      Treason

      Confusion

      This whole thing is complicated but I thought I would give you a small insight in to one of the
      conditions that somebody would have to go through which is the “Danger” condition.

      I don’t know, but this might be one of the reasons that these “bad guys” just cannot come clean. Admittedly, I can imagine that a “bad guy” is not going to give a dam about these things but in the
      possibility that these people are trying to adhere to Hubbard’s writings, then they would have to go through these grades.

      Hubbard’s Ethics conditions are doubletalk and they also leave a lot of space to
      interpretation. In particular, the “Danger” condition, which is one of the conditions that these people would have to go through.

      Hubbard says in the Danger condition:

      1. Bypass habits or normal routines.

      2. Handle the situation and any danger in it.

      Basically, “Bypass habits or normal routines” means as per Hubbard “Don’t do what you have been
      doing in the past.”

      “Handle the situation” means, as per Hubbard, to confess to one’s wrong doings. But here, Hubbard gives you a sort of an escape route. He tells you that you don’t have to openly admit to your wrong doings because it could be dangerous to do that! He tells you to confess in a way that you don’t lose out on anything but at the same time to try and sway things your way to avoid putting yourself in Danger!

      It’s mind boggling stuff and can have dozens of interpretations.

      I thought this might be useful to some readers.

      • Mark

        Complicated in its application, but surely quite simple in summary: $cientology “ethics” is sophistry.

        • Truthiwant

          Well said!

      • richelieu jr

        This is certainly what I think Marty is doing. But whatever the process and rationalization it still comes out as: Not coming clean and accepting responsibility.

        We don’t accept it in 87 year-olds and we shouldn’t accept it in admitted criminals and cult leaders.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I think you hit the mark!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Marc, you don’t know the history of Tommy Davis and we in RTC do.

      Here are the dramatic facts of Tommy and Jessica’s departure from the Church of Scientology, facts taken directly from OSA’s SP Master Index Files:

      OSA discovered that Tommy Davis had been sent in by the Psychs at a critical period in the Church’s history.

      In a Marcab plot more sinister, fiendish, and disgusting than anything that could be written by Stephen King, Lawrence Wright, or even you Marc Headley, Tommy’s job as a Psych undercover operative was to sabotage COB RTC David Miscavige.

      Look at the evidence Marc because you too were sent in and, as far as OSA is concerned, you were the Godfather and Kingpin behind Anonymous.

      You were online Black PR’ing COB and seeding the internet with all kinds of crazy tales about musical chairs and COB being a veritable, reeling, insane alcoholic like his sister.

      And then just as Tommy Davis was rising to prominence as the Church’s spokesman, Anonymous “suddenly” burst on the scene with anthrax, AIDS, terrorism, longcats, harpoons, hacking, BFG stories and those other bitter defrocked apostates.

      Tommy Davis and hollow point footbullets?

      HOW ABOUT TOMMY DAVIS AND NUCLEAR BOMB FOOTBULLET!!!!!

      Tommy Davis nuked we in the Church of Scientology over and over with gaffes, embarrassments, and idiotic footbullets so big that COB bounced off the walls of his office like a crazed weasel on meth.

      Tommy’s Rampage of Suppression had to be ended.

      COB literally had to wrest Tommy to the ground and slap, hit, kick, punch, and choke Tommy in order to wring out a confession.

      Tommy Davis confessed to being a wholetrack Psych implanter sent into to destroy COB and the Church.

      Jessica likewise confessed to aiding and abetting the Master of Disaster Tommy Davis and the two criminals were ordered to leave the Church and never speak of work about Scientology to anyone ever or else!

      After he wrote up his crimes, COB busted everyone in OSA for not having seen Tommy’s outpoints years earlier, then when he left that briefcase in the trunk of his shiny BMW.

      That briefcase contained confidential data on homosexual activities related to John Travolta and it was stolen from Tommy’s BMW!

      After the Psychs copied the salacious data, Tommy “conveniently” found a “homeless person” with the briefcase and retrieved it.

      • Truthiwant

        You are the best!!

      • Bella Legosi

        Sometimes your posts make my day! Thank you you in the RTC! Cant wait for the TV station to come online!

      • cicely neville

        “Crazed weasel on meth” !!!!! ^^^^^^^

        Now, OTVIII, please apologize to the entire muscalid family.

        And then sit down.

        Thank you.

    • Thank you Marc thank you. I was going to add my .02 but you have said it so much better.

    • Sherbet

      Marc’s post is why a never-in like I am can joke and criticize scientology and pretend to know what I’m talking about, but only an ex has this kind of perspective, history, and experience. Marc speaks from the heart, and it’s a heart that scientology broke. I’m so grateful — as we all are — that Marc and Claire survived and thrived after scientology.

      • richelieu jr

        Exactly, Sherbet. My feelings exactly.

    • Gus_Cox

      Well, good God damn, Marc, tell it like it is!

      Thanks, I always appreciate your posts.

      -Gus

  • HeatherGraceful

    Thanks and kudos to Scott and Karry for speaking up. This is another horrific story. It corroborates the stories of others. Their methods just don’t change.

  • Sidney18511

    Thank goodness Scott and Karry got out, but you can see the haunted rements of their scion experience in their eyes. It’s chilling.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I just now got a chance to listen to it.. I’m so glad there was a happy ending.. It’s just soooo frking amazing that co$ is still in business.. still has tax exempt status.. still is able to do the harmful, underhanded, despicable things they do..

      On a lighter note.. I lovvvve AGP’s editing and musical choices.. He makes it really fun to watch.. if you can call hearing horrific stories fun..

      • 1subgenius

        Actually I find the music distracting. And the ones where they use Benny Hill-like music, I feel it diminishes the seriousness of the subject matter.

        • sugarplumfairy

          And that’s why we have chocolate and vanilla.. And it would take a heck of a lot more to diminish the seriousness of frking co$ than music..

  • richelieu jr

    Pot calling Kettle, come in Kettle…

    In all honesty though, he does make some extremely good points; An dit is jsut stunng how much les Tommy risked by ‘giving it all up’ for the SeaOrg and Hubbard, etc, than did everyone else. He leaves his 50 dollar a week gig and buys a million-and-a-half dollar house IN CASH.

    God bless him for paying that 50 bucks or whatever he borrowed n the RPF, huh? That guy’s a saint. They should pin his floppy hair up in a church somewhere…

    He wasn’t ‘giving’ he was ‘slumming’… at no point could he not make it top with a call to mummy..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swWYEXLa_lI

  • SP ‘Onage

    Thomas Davis is as superficial as an Armani suit and a pair of wing tips. His right foot is so self-inflicted it looks like swiss cheese. I think he’s too much of a wussie to come clean.

    I wonder if he regrets his (hardcore) sea org tattoo? lmao

  • Brainslugged

    It still really wouldn’t surprise me if Tommy was Suri’s real father. I was looking for some pictures of her I’d seen when she was younger, but she still looks the spit of him as she’s getting older.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I am completely with you on this little conspiracy theory!

    • grundoon

      Tommy wasn’t joking when he said he deserved to get a pounding from TC.

    • Minion Gayle

      Poor kid loses out, either way.

    • Karen715

      People keep saying this, and it rubs me the wrong way, just a wee bit. Of course in Scientology, anything twisted is possible. But to me, Suri just looks like Katie, who herself looks a bit like Tommy Davis.

      • Brainslugged

        I understand. There’s enough shocking and unbelievable (but true) stuff that goes on within $cientology without undermining that message with idle speculation and conspiracy theories. I’ve just never heard anyone (other than me) point out the resemblance before. I have seen people saying Chris Klein could be the father though. I just remember seeing a picture of Suri a few years back and thinking “OMG – that’s Tommy Davis in a wig!”

    • Jon Hendry

      Suri also resembles TC’s first cousin William Mapother, so it could be TC’s genes in there.

    • richelieu jr

      Neither the fact that Floppy looks like TC or a little girl are news to me.

  • TonyOrtega

    New post up! Will Smith’s Scientology school has closed down!

    • The Dakini

      Yay!

    • Mark

      Good: producing the irksome Jaden and ‘After Earth’ was bad enough, but that school was unforgivable.

      • MissCandle

        And they lied about it.

  • aquaclara

    Tommy and Davey must be squirming and anxious right now with this trifecta of a challenge from MIke Rinder, Tony O and Marc Headley all commenting today. I guess that means the family and friends picnic for the 4th of July is now off, eh, Tommy? It’s ok…we would love to hear your stories.

    There is always something going on,LIVE all day, here at the Bunker. Thanks for the excellent reporting.

  • Roger Larsson

    Victims of
    crime have paid to make comments. Criminals can only pretend to be the owner of
    what victims of crime are the real owners of. When this axiom hits the ones
    wandering in the grey zone they goes clear and OT for real. Pat Broeker has
    maybe several million reasons to shut up and Heber Jentzsch might have
    something good to say when he makes it out of the hole. Tommy Davis is more a brat.

  • media_lush

    Ha, ha, ha – happy birthday tiny Tom…. Radar have just picked up on you beating up your buddy Tommy, call me Thomas now…. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/tom-cruise-alleged-assault-scientolgy/

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      linky not working for me… Page Not Found

      • media_lush

        took screengrabs – pics are on my bollocks site… link above

  • Gordon Freeman

    Evil battles evil.

    The high-profile so-called “Independent” Scientologists are merely waiting for the fall of Miscavige et al, and they’ll then step into the power vacuum. Whatever means it takes, including exposing the human rights violations and abuse, they’ll do it. All the while they’ll say “That was Davis. That was Miscavige. That was NEVER US.” I promise you if Rinder and Rathbun got a phone call tomorrow that Miscavige had dropped dead and would they step in as church leaders, once the pogrom was finished they’d be just as spit-and-polish (by which I mean they’d spit on parishioners and make them polish the floor) as DM and the rest of them. Don’t think for a minute more white-knuckled little Hitlers lurk behind the “free, open, independent” types: they still drink the L.Ron Koolaid, they still buy the lies, they still defend the old psychotic who at the height of his career was creating and implementing the Fair Game policy that led to the destruction of Paulette Cooper, Operation Snow White, a spying operation against the US Government which would’ve made the Soviets envious, and creating shit like trapping eight year old kids in rope lockers on that leaky scow that pollutes Tampa Bay currently.

    Rathbun, Rinder and the rest of them have never ever shown an inkling of remorse for the horrible things they’ve done, and if you watch the former talk about it he’s fucking proud of most of it. If ever there’s a grand criminal trial involving Scn, those two goons should be in the dock shoulder to shoulder with Miscavige and Davis.

    Personally, I won’t be happy until Scn is driven into the ground and nobody but nobody “uses the Tech” or “gets on the bridge” or “receives the Comms” anymore.

    • dagobarbz

      Some of those indies will be in for a huge surprise if they try to step into the gap filled by DM’s high-rise sneakers.

      Rinder, Rathbun, etc. forget about it. You will never ever take the helm. There are some very bright, very wicked exes out there, and they have a plan. When DM goes, Scientology Inc. is dead. Count on it.

      • richelieu jr

        Gods I hope so. A lot pf people seem to have blinders on around here on this subject.

  • dagobarbz

    TommyDavis TommyDavis quit being the face of Scn when his wife became seriously ill.

    His situation is nothing like Rinder’s. Rinder’s mommy isn’t a clam. Rinder’s wife isn’t part of Scientology “royalty.”

    It’s easy to sit there and say shit from over there, ain’t it Mikee? If you were Tommy Davis, you might have a different perspective on what you can, what you should, and what you must do.

    Rinder hasn’t come clean, so he should probably not tell others what to do.

    • Karen715

      Except she wasn’t actually ill. Check out Tony’s story from a couple of weeks ago: http://tonyortega.org/2013/06/12/tommy-davis-and-jessica-feshbach-new-jobs-and-new-lives-for-scientologys-former-mouthpieces/

      • dagobarbz

        Thanks, I don’t know how I missed that.

        So Tommy is in the biz of snapping up foreclosed homes, is it? Lovely, just lovely. Still part of society’s problem I see…

    • pronoia

      And Rinder’s mommy is a clam. Rinder was born into scientology. He never knew a life outside of it. Every single member of his family is still in. Which makes it all the more amazing that he managed to blow.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Actually, Rinder hails from Scientology parents and Tommy’s wife was not ill, it was a shore story.
      I’m certainly not saying Rinder was a angel, but he has put himself on the front line and jabs the little one in the eye every day on his blog. He’s been fair gamed himself. He intimately knows the scene. And, he has a platform from which to speak. I don’t begrudge him from needling Tommy.

    • TonyOrtega

      There’s definitely more we’d like to hear from Rinder, and he and I have talked about some upcoming stories to address that. But as for his background, you might want to look at this piece that briefly sums up his growing up in the church….

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/29/mike-rinder-on-the-hole-and-how-he-escaped-scientology/

      And as was previously pointed out, Jessica’s sickness was a shore story…

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/06/12/tommy-davis-and-jessica-feshbach-new-jobs-and-new-lives-for-scientologys-former-mouthpieces/

      • Tory Christman

        Good to know, Tony! (Re more stories coming up 🙂
        I cannot believe (in the top secret recording above)

        that Tommy Davis Compared we ex-Scios and critics

        to NEO-NAZI’S??? REALLY? Woof! That is one serious
        stretch, Tommy. I think it IS time you come out of “retirement”
        (so to speak) and tell ALL. Save your Mom for Gawd’s sakes, too.
        They are no doubt bilking her for whatever they can. Tory/Magoo
        (Proud to be an SP!) 🙂

  • media_lush

    Radar have taken down the Cruise beating up Tommy Davis story….. lucky I took screengrabs…. lulz http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/cruise-beating-scientology-staff-rears.html

  • richelieu jr

    I find it hilarious if Tommy and Fleshcrawls took a payout to shut up..

    The ‘church’ just gave him a little bit of his mom’s money back…

  • j238

    Now that there are public accusations that Tom Cruise engaged in physical violence, he’s no longer a bystander.

    Time for another “Letter to Tom Cruise”

  • WhatWouldXenuDo?

    Tommy Davis is a good for nothing scab on the ass of humanity…such a typical punk ass kid with rich parents, who has/will never accomplish anything of value on his own, and lives life with his entitlement complex firmly in place…of all the despicable characters swarming in and around TheSciCult, he personally offends me the most.

    • Rebecca Howell

      I agree. He is a horrible person. His mother also gives me the creeps. Her nose is in the air like some entitled elitist.

  • Mick Hamblen