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LAPD to Leah Remini on her records request about missing Scientology leader’s wife: ‘Go fish’

[LAPD Chief Charlie Beck and Leah Remini]

Despite taking extra time to come up with a response, and then blowing the deadline they set for themselves, the Los Angeles Police Department finally answered Leah Remini’s request for specific information about Shelly Miscavige yesterday by telling her they weren’t going to answer any of her questions.

The letter from the police department, which we have below, did offer to send Remini responses on two of her more general questions about LAPD policy on missing persons reports.

But specific information that Leah wanted in regards to her 2013 missing person report about Shelly Miscavige and how it was resolved? She’s getting nothing.

Leah’s attorney Doug Mirell filed her records request on December 12, referring the LAPD to the missing person report Leah filed on Shelly Miscavige on August 5, 2013. Three days after Leah filed her report, we broke the news about it here at the Underground Bunker on the morning of August 8. By that afternoon, however, the LAPD was leaking to other reporters that it had checked on Shelly and had closed the case as “unfounded.”

The LAPD never responded to Leah herself, who had actually made the report.

So in her December 12 letter, she made 12 specific records requests that would explain what the LAPD actually did with her report, and how they checked on Shelly’s welfare.

Michele “Shelly” Barnett grew up in Scientology and married fellow Sea Org member David Miscavige on December 30, 1982. David became Scientology’s dictatorial ruler after the death of L. Ron Hubbard in 1986, and Shelly became a top church executive in her own right. They lived at the secretive 500-acre “Int Base” near Hemet, California. But after the two were seen to argue over responsibilities at the base in the summer of 2005, Shelly vanished. The only time she’s been seen in public since then was to attend her father’s funeral in the summer of 2007 in the presence of a Scientology handler. Leah Remini had gotten to know Shelly before her 2005 disappearance, and first realized that Shelly was no longer attending public events when her husband David showed up without her at the 2006 wedding of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. Leah left Scientology in July 2013, and then filed her missing person report the next month.

In her records request of December, Leah had wanted to know such specific information as which detectives had checked on Shelly and how long the process had taken. But the LAPD tells her she won’t be getting any of that information.

“I am unable to respond to your requests for answers to questions 1-12, as your request does not reasonably describe an identifiable record or records as described” by the state records law, LAPD analyst Martin Bland writes in the letter, which is signed under the name of chief Charlie Beck.

The last two requests Leah made were more general:

13. Is it consistent with the LAPD’s standard operating procedures to allow its personnel to anonymously convey the results of [a missing person report] investigation to members of the media?
14. Is it consistent with the LAPD’s standard operating procedure to never directly inform the person filing [a missing person report] of the results of the ensuing investigation?

Bland’s response was to list numerous audits and reports that the department could send to Remini which are responsive to those questions if she just pays a copying fee of $2.80.

“Of course I’m going to get them,” Leah says, but like us, she’s anticipating that the reports will be more statistical in nature and won’t shed light on how the department handled her request about Shelly.

At this point, it appears the LAPD is not going to shed any light on how it determined that Shelly Miscavige is not in any danger.

In 2013, after the news came out that Leah’s report had been closed, we spoke with LAPD Lt. Andre Dawson, who told us that two of his detectives had made contact with Shelly, and that she had told them she didn’t want to make a public statement. When we asked Dawson whether this conversation with his detectives had occurred in the presence of other church officials, he quickly responded, “That’s classified.” Since then, Lt. Dawson, who retired in 2015, has repeatedly appeared in Church of Scientology fliers as a featured speaker at its events.

From multiple lines of evidence, we are convinced that since her disappearance in 2005, Shelly Miscavige has been held at a super-secret California mountain compound operated by a Scientology subsidiary known as the Church of Spiritual Technology. CST has a strange mission — to build underground vaults where L. Ron Hubbard’s writings can be stored to survive for tens of thousands of years. CST has several vaults in California and New Mexico, and its headquarters is a compound east of Los Angeles near a place called Lake Arrowhead. In September, we released the first drone footage of that headquarters compound, and with the help of a former CST employee, got a good idea of where Shelly today lives and works.

Then, in December, we were stunned to learn that a couple who lives near the CST compound say they spotted Shelly Miscavige twice in the nearby town. Each time — in December 2015 and April 2016 — Shelly, 55, was being escorted by two younger male handlers, and she looked frail and disheveled. We’ve checked out the couple thoroughly and we’re taking their sightings seriously.

So did a member of Shelly’s family. We learned that shortly after our story appeared, a member of Shelly’s non-Scientology family called the Big Bear station of the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department to ask about having deputies make a welfare check on Shelly at the CST compound.

They were told that the Sheriff’s Department would require evidence that Shelly was at that location, and the department did nothing.

After we learned that, we sent a lengthy message to San Bernardino Sheriff John McMahon, giving extensive background on the situation, specific information about Shelly, and mentioning the response that a member of her family received from his department.

“That response really surprises me. There’s good evidence that for 11 years, Shelly Miscavige has been held at the CST compound, and now we have two sightings when she was allowed to make a visit to town with her handlers, and she looked very bad. This woman may be dying. I would like a response from your department about whether the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department is interested in investigating the welfare of Shelly Miscavige,” we wrote.

Here’s the response we received:

Hello Tony,

Concerning the welfare of someone within the jurisdiction of the Sheriff’s department, any call for service we receive will be appropriately addressed and handled accordingly.

We encourage anyone with information regarding a crime, or potential crime, to contact Sheriff’s Dispatch or their local Sheriffs station to report it so the matter can be investigated and resolved.

Thank you,

Adam Cervantes, Deputy Sheriff
San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Dept.
Public Affairs Division

In other words, we got the big blow-off from the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department, and now Leah Remini has received the same from the Los Angeles Police Department.

And in the meantime, the CEO of a multibillion-dollar international corporation that claims to be a charitable religious organization has gotten away with banishing his wife to a tiny mountain compound where, for the last eleven years, she has not been allowed to see her own family, and she now may be in an alarming state.

David Miscavige’s many years of “safe pointing” law enforcement agencies with Scientology propaganda appears to have been time well spent.

Here are the documents…

LAPD response:

LAPD response to Leah Remini by Tony Ortega on Scribd

 
Leah’s Dec. 12 records request, with her original 2013 missing person report attached:

Leah Remini records request with LAPD by Tony Ortega on Scribd

 
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The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

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  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Jillian asking about the CoS trying to smear Leah–TO talking about the attack websites, the videos that look like “POW videos…” Jillian says it makes them look “so petty and mean.”

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    TO talking about the disconnection from his brother as impetus for Brandon R’s actions, yet CoS charged him for a hate crime.

    • Ella Raitch

      Nicely done 5FLAL – ha your acronym kinda looks like felafel – that’s my new nickname for you xxx

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Sounds delicious. I’ll take it!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Paraphrasing John: “The creepier they act and the more they attack their critics, the more it causes people to question them.”

    TO: They’re just fulfilling everything that their critics have said about them.

    • Joe

      It’s so true. The one thing they could do to stop or at least reduce the negative PR is turn the other cheek and go “Wow, I’m really sad those people had bad experiences but I hope they find happiness.” But they can’t do that, because if they did they wouldn’t be practicing Scientology anymore.

      • Glen

        I mean, isn’t it possible that one person out of the thousands who speak critically might be a little right about some little thing.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Ruined by their own tech, ha ha!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Shelly, Shelly, Shelly…Quick recap of her situation and Leah’s missing persons report, which TO broke. Three years later, Leah had to file official records request for info, LAPD extended deadline, missed it, the fuck you letter, Jillian shrieks: “Are they getting paid by the church of scientology?!”

    • Qbird

      Thx 5′ ~ pls keep going as I canna hear the broadcast from the link you so kindly provided.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        My pleasure! I haven’t been able to hang out today so I felt like I should do my part. ; )

  • I’m waiting for the update. “Leah Remini files lawsuit to force the LAPD to answer her request.”

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    John on Greta van S…TO says she’s very much a scientologist but never talks about it publicly. Differences with Megyn Kelly because the latter had Rinder on her show three times. TO says scientology thing “was a part of it.” Greta leaving? I kinda missed that point…

  • Jimmy3

    I love you Megyn
    But not in a desperate internet loser way. Just normal

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Normal loser. Yep, that should do it for her.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    TO on the specials…question of whether they’re going to renew for a second season. Many people who aren’t as well known as first season guests could be covered.

    • chukicita

      Is that the sound of files rustling wildly over at RTC?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Like a sweet sweet breeze… ; )

    • The reason for the unprecedented success of the series to date is that each episode started with a compelling human story and filled in the Scientology background as it went along. Also, Leah the spectacle of Leah herself taking in the depth of the deception that had been presented to her for years holds the attention.

      Future episodes, if they are to keep the ball rolling, must bear that in mind and tell a story first. I suspect that the producers are more aware of that than I am and, with any luck, this approach will retain an audience which will learn the Scientology back-story by osmosis.

      If you want to try to predict who might appear in future episodes (which I hope will happen) I suppose you have to ask whose story, when presented to the general public, will make jaws drop, and whose will strike home at vulnerabilities which everyone shares. It’s not for nothing that this series opened with disconnection.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        TO did give props to the editing, as well as to Leah’s je ne sais quois.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Leah a professional scientology whistleblower? TO says she’ll be able to do whatever she wants to do. She took a huge risk to do this show but it should open doors for her.

    C’est tout.

    • Qbird
    • chukicita

      Leah didn’t have to do squat. She could have just melted away, done something else, or continued to get acting jobs. There are certainly easier ways to make a living. She chose to do something that will ultimately help a lot of people. She chose to put herself aside, really, and lift the voices of those who have experiences that need to be heard.

      Professional? You bet. She is getting paid because she is excellent in front of a camera, and good at making others feel comfortable to tell their stories in their own words. And she lets us hear and see what she and her team are being put through for those important stories to be heard. This does not happen for free, and there is clearly a demand and need for what she is doing.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        A round of applause for that, Chuki. TO did a nice job of noting, more than once, that Leah is able to make people feel comfortable in front of the camera and elicit their stories in ways even we watchers haven’t really heard them before. It’s a special and unique skill–one she didn’t have to spend on exposing scientology, as you said. But she chose to stay and fight fresh for the people who have been fighting for so long. Woman’s a goddamn hero. And she’s gonna need a little extra cash for the lawsuits. ; )

      • Kestrel

        Well stated, chukicita.

  • flyonthewall

    SOB HE ALWAYS SAYS .COM!!

    • Jimmy3

      See. Never trust people with alliterative names.

      • Ella Raitch

        I never believed it until now, but you speak sooth Jimmy3

  • Jimmy3

    When do we stop saying happy new year? Does it get later and later each year or am i just imagining that?

    • Sherbet

      Andy Rooney lives.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Perfect.

    • Rasha

      January 29.

    • flyonthewall

      when the year stops being happy. So prob about 20Jan I’m guessing

      • Kitz

        That’s today then….

    • Liberated

      Exactly noon..January 20 2017.

  • Glen

    I always enjoy the banter and informality when Tony is on the radio program with Jillian and John from Los Angeles.

    When John directs people to check the Underground Bunker, he most often says tonyortega dot com rather than tonyortega dot org. I wish he would get that right.

    • EVERY time. Annoys the hell out of me. Eta: Tony, they are obviously don’t read our comments here,
      so can you please tell them nicely that it’s fucking DOT ORG!?

  • daisy

    The show Extra had Krustie on. She was talking about her Grandson, you know her tiny thetan. It is her 66 birthday today, Add another 6 and you have her true nature.

    • Sherbet

      The kid is going to need therapy when Nana Kirstie starts telling him bedtime stories that involve her libido and vagina.

      • Rasha

        …and about punching and shooting it. Classy role model.

      • Glen

        If he’s not too badly traumatized, perhaps the purif. If he’s really fucked up then on to the Introspection Rundown.

    • Ann B Watson

      daisy,I really like the way you think.Krusty makes my vision blur and that is just for starters.❣

    • salin

      How many years are added when counting her ‘thetan’ life? 2.9 billion?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      For a split second there I added six more years to her current age, then quickly got the real picture…Krustie, The Beast 666

      On a related note, all these aging OaTy Ates who’ve already paid for OaTy 9&10 can’t be happy about having their Eternity barred to them after doing right by $cn all these years and donating millions. Krustie is prime example there and, Xenu only knows, she sure needs some super powerz!

  • Rasha

    …the dot com address is currently under maintenance, apparently. Can we just put a redirect in?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hey, I just went there, too! How do you get a redirect on that?

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    (In reference to a post downthread)

    *whispering*

    “Gently take your hand off the antenna base now.”

  • Joe

    Everyone, to learn more please go to tommyartego.net.

    • Qbird

      ha!

  • Jimmy3

    Commenter: Here is a topical thing we can discuss in real time! Let me just—

    Disqus: —Hi!

    Commenter: Let me jus—

    Disqus: —Hello!

    Commenter [sighs]: …What do you want Disqus? I’m trying to type words on you and you—

    Disqus: —Brought a random off-topic comment from 3 hours ago! I just found it for you!

    Commenter: Well… That’s great I guess, but let me finish posting this comment…

    Disqus: Don’t bother! I’m not going to display any of that. Maybe in a few hours. I dunno. If I feel up to it.

    Commenter: *???* Well then what the f—

    Disqus: —Stop! You must authenticate the user or provide author_name and author_email! Scumbag!

    Commenter: Did you just call me–

    Disqus: —Oops! We’re having trouble posting your comment, scumbag! Please check your internet connection and try again later!

    • Sherbet

      You left out the part where Commenter gets booted after each post.

      This is the first time I’ve had problems with Disqus. I feel special.

      • Jimmy3

        Guest: This post has been removed.

      • Franklin Adams

        You’re just supremely lucky. I have problems with Disqus all the time, whether its here, National Interest, on DailyNK, or one of the gaming sites I use.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Comments? Upvotes? Nope don’t see any–Oh yeah, here, have 20 of them at once.

    • chukicita

      Discus is drunk. Or a toddler.

      • Franklin Adams

        Somebody said they got into the good stuff earlier. Carbona not Glue.

        • grundoon

          I wanna be sedated

  • flyonthewall

    NASA live stream of earf for the science nerds

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc

    • Rasha

      I totally saw the ISS zip by whilst gazing through my telescope last year. Thing moves fast…..

      • flyonthewall

        Yeah I remember that! I didn’t have a telescope though so it just looked like a shiny thing.

      • Franklin Adams

        See it all the time here, one of their high bandwidth downlinks is at White Sands, same with a SAR satellite that I unfortunately can’t say the name of (but it may be named after an American Indian sport, or maybe not). Pretty sure its the same downlink actually.

        • chukicita

          Hoka hey

        • grundoon

          The name, at least, is no longer classified.
          NASA
          Wikipedia
          Its replacement

          • Franklin Adams

            Huh, Didn’t know they’d declassified information about it. Imagery isn’t my discipline so I don’t stay updated with what is and isn’t still in the dark.
            I know some of the amateurs in Europe noticed the fifth satellite’s reflectivity trick, but that was the last I’d heard of it.

    • chukicita

      Hey I can see my house

      • Franklin Adams

        You live in Antarctica? Lucky!

  • Sherbet

    OK, Leah Remini just tipped slightly off the pedestal: She’s going to do some project with Charlie Sheen? I’m sorry he’s HIV positive, I really am; but his drug- and alcohol-fueled sexual escapades, marriage wreckage, and public crackup put me off Sheen forever. Maybe they can replace Charlie with Emilio Estevez?

    • Charlie and I peed next to each other at an Echo & The Bunnymen show a few years ago. he seemed nice.

      • Kestrel

        Did you cross streams?

      • Glen

        Perhaps not the perfect venue for a character assessment.

      • jazzlover

        Was there any crossing of the swords? 😉

        • wasn’t that kind of party

          hey wait a minute … why are the GUYS so curious about this?

          • jazzlover

            LOL. I was just making reference to a line he blurted out to Jon Cryer in Two and a Half Men when they were discussing doing Brooke Shields. “NEVER cross the swords!!!” 🙂

      • salin

        I can’t wait for our (sometime in the future) visit over tacos. You have the 6 degrees of Separation in all directions. So many stories. 😀

        • jazzlover

          Shhhhhhh. Succulent Duck is really Ozzy Osborne.

          • salin

            His comments are far to cogent for Ozzy. Maybe a relative?

            • jazzlover

              Ha! Ya got me there. “Would you believe Ozzy’s second cousin twice removed?”

            • salin

              Or just living life in an area where the 6 degrees of separation are more frequently in motion. Was certainly more likely to run across interesting people/anecdotes when I was living in metro DC or the SFBay area than since coming back to my home region in the middle of the Indiana.

            • jazzlover

              That’s LA for you. Cult of personality day in, day out.

          • ya, shhhhh … and you’re Chick Corea ;P

            • jazzlover

              Barf

        • we’re gonna need a lot of tacos

          (psst, i’m not Ozzy but my wife is in this video)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk6Ldj8LB7M

          • jazzlover

            Nice! I was expecting a Bowie cover. Psssst – needs a little more Iommi 😉

          • salin

            XD

      • Sherbet

        Did he wash his hands?

        • Kestrel

          He doesn’t need to if he finishes first and wipes his hands on SucculentDuck’s shirt.

          • Sherbet

            Ah, makes sense.

        • i finished first, did wash my hands, and overheard some dude yell, “CHARLIE!” as i was walking out. i’m sorry i don’t have more info 🙁

          • Sherbet

            😀

        • Young man [after seeing Winston Churchill leave the bathroom without washing his
          hands]: “At Eton, they taught us to wash our hands after using the
          toilet”.

          Churchill: “At Harrow, they taught us not to piss on our hands”.

          • Sherbet

            LOL here. Very funny!

    • flyonthewall

      i suspect his public crack up was bc he knew he was HIV positive.

      • Sherbet

        Maybe.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      I think that anyone like Charlie Sheen who feels the incessant need to do drugs, alcohol, have unprotected sex with multiple parties and do so many self-destructive and life-endangering acts in his life must be doing so to fill up a great emptiness inside. I feel sorry for him. These things are symptoms of much deeper problems. We all screw up, but he’s screwed up colossally and in public view. The shame attached to that would have to be hard to handle and would probably lead to more substance abuse. I have a lot of respect for his ex-wife, Denise Richards, because she has taken in his two children by Brooke Mueller (who has addiction issues as well) and is caring for them. Kudos for her.

      • jazzlover

        Any mention of Denise Richards has me sweating thinking of that movie scene (Wild Things?) with Neve Campbell 😉

      • Observer

        Isn’t he bipolar?

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Not sure….there has been speculation as to what is really going on with him. There’s something certainly awry.

          • jazzlover

            His dad has struggled with addiction – he was drunk during the entirety of Apocalypse Now, and Charlie was a huge part of that Hollywood brat pack crowd. None of them ended up choir boys/girls either.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Very true. Addiction is so complicated….it’s a combination of genetic predisposition, concurrent mental health issues, situational issues. Whatever is going on with him is really severe as he has almost died a couple of times and that didn’t slow him down. I’m surprised he’s still alive.

            • jazzlover

              That risk taking is also a huge part of BPD. I actually feel sorry for the guy – despite his having hurt many in his life. He coulda been a contenda. Underneath it all, he is a great actor – both dramatic and comedic. That’s pretty rare.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              I feel really sorry for him as well. Underneath all that bravura I suspect that there is a lot of pain.

            • jazzlover

              That seems to always be the case, unfortunately. He may be just another case of someone who didn’t get the help he needed when he needed it 🙁

        • jazzlover

          Could be that or borderline personality disorder.

        • daisy

          I do not believe there is an official public diagnosis , but it has been speculated . The other theory drug induced mania. From m lofty stance as a know it all , I think he is bi – polar exacerbated by drugs.

          • Sine qua non

            I’m almost certain I read he’s bipolar.

      • Sherbet

        You’re right, and you’re very compassionate, and, I, too, feel sorry for him. But it doesn’t mean I want to see him on my screen.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Actually I don’t like watching him either to be honest. The last time I liked him in anything was that baseball movie he did years ago with Bob Uecker. (sp?)

          • Sherbet

            Major League?

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Yes that’s the movie….I blanked on the title. I thought it was pretty funny.

            • April

              I love that movie! Even the sequel isn’t that bad.

    • Observer

      Look at it this way–he’s earning money with which to support his children.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Agree….and if an actress in Hollywood restricted their gigs by employing perceived standards of the personal character of the person they are starring with, well there would be a lot less work for them.

        • Sherbet

          On the other hand, maybe his behavior has been enabled by people willing to look the other way, during Two and a Half Men, for example.

          Anyway, I didn’t mean to make a big megillah over this. I was just stating that I’m no fan of Sheen and his shenanigans, regardless of whether they were addictions or cries for help or just jerkiness.

          • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

            Yeah when he acts like he has it is really hard to be a fan of his. I also agree that he was totally enabled during two and a half men from what I’ve read in statements from his co-stars. Somebody should have pulled the plug on his role in that way before they fired him. Frankly, I never liked that show anyway and couldn’t believe he was the highest paid actor in TV for doing that role, when people like Hugh Laurie on House had to do a full one-hour drama with really difficult dialogue. That used to bug me.

            • Sherbet

              Very well said, Kay.

      • Sherbet

        Oh, Crackle. We have that.

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    So…a copy of the Missing Person’s report, with an actual document number, is not sufficient information to locate records, in this day and age of computerized databases? Seems legit.

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    I was tweeting the LAPD today and saw this posted on their twitter feed: ironic, to say the least: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8bffafd18f68334c42e3db8994f823225ef381bbdf7a09ba37edbc1ca8b033a6.png

    • chukicita

      Someone at LAPD social media and community relations has a sick sense of humor.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Oh, eat my butt, LAPD.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      I tweeted in response to this: “Then where is Shelly Miscavage? Is she OK? Being held against her will?”

      Maybe we should all tweet in response to this idiotic post.

      • Frodis73

        Lol, I am doing just that as soon as I finish here.

  • chukicita

    In the letter to LAPD from team Leah, there are specific things asked for. I wonder which o f those items is causing LAPD to become informationally constipated.

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    I have noticed parallels between destructive cults and the Anonymous Corp. (AA, NA, etc.). Does anyone else think parallels exist? There are vids on youtube made by former members of 12-step programs and they really lay out convincing arguments that AA and other 12-step programs of Anonymous are cults. What do Bunkerites think?

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      12 step programs are still considered to be the most effective tool in combatting substance abuse. There has been a lot of research done on this. Rehab programs that do not utilize 12 step programs just are not as successful in long-term success. AA/ NA are voluntary programs (unless court ordered as part of a plea agreement) People are free to leave the meetings if they don’t like it, and free not to have a sponsor. they don’t even give their whole name, just their first names. I have seen lives change because of these programs and they don’t really fit the common guidelines of being a cult. (They don’t charge money, don’t take away your physical or mental freedom, don’t impinge upon your civil rights, don’t traffic or abuse people) There has been some disagreement re: referring to a “higher power” as part of the 12 steps, but they have AA and NA chapters that specifically are for atheists or agnostics that just take that step out.

      • Kestrel

        If tearing apart families is an indicator of a cult, I would say 12-step programs are just the opposite. I’ve seen families reunite because someone successfully participated in a 12-step program.

        • Franklin Adams

          So have I. I’ve also seen people get away from people that they really needed to get away from because of them. I have nothing bad to say, except that I don’t believe that you stay an addict forever (I have no desire to snort a Roxicodone anymore, nor have I for almost ten years) nor do I believe that everyone has the same path in regard to treatment.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Absolutely !

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        Thanks. Looking at everything I can.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          I was the Director of Nursing of a psych facility for five years that specialized in dual diagnosis patients. (substance abuse and a psych issue) and I can tell you that I have never seen anything harmful in a 12 step program. Some patients didn’t want to participate…we didn’t make them. I have nothing but good to say about them. I don’t mean to throw my credentials around, but I want you to know that this is something that I really do know about in depth so that I may allay any anxiety you may have. I wouldn’t have any hesitation or fear about it. NA groups are each different depending on who is attending them, so the person involved can try more than one group until finding one that is comfortable for them.

          • daisy

            This ( arrows up thingy alot of times )

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              🙂

            • Liberated

              You said thingy…he he!

          • Sine qua non

            An AA group meets in my church community room. I’ve watched a bit from a distance a couple of times, and it kind of seems like free group therapy to me, only not as mean! I don’t think AA would hurt anyone (essentially) though I can imagine some folks might need more help than the meetings alone provided to achieve sobriety, especially in the detox phase. Anyway, I’m not an expert on this area. Chocolate, not alcohol is my drug of choice. But I’ve certainly advised more than one alcohol-addicted person to attend AA. Some people do sort of turn it almost into a “religion” if you will, which might be going too far, but then if you feel it saved your life, I can see why a person would find the divine in the program.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              I agree with you. One of the reasons it is so effective is the support from the group, and the fact that everyone is considered equal…that’s why they use only first names and rotate as far as who is opening and closing the group for that session. It is a comfort for those involved to know that others are going through the same thing. They are able to talk abut their struggles in a non-judgmental setting. The fact that Narconon does not have a 12 step program in it is one of the big red flags that they know zero about treating addiction.

          • OTD:OutTheDoor

            Thanks. Appreciate it!

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              My pleasure.

            • OTD:OutTheDoor

              Your credentials mean a lot in this case.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              I’m glad if that’s helpful to you. 🙂

          • Frodis73

            I respect your opinion and a lot of what you say is true…I just want to say my info is coming from the other side as somebody who has sat in those rooms and seen a lot of negatives. What it comes down to is what kind of person it is that is seeking help. It does work for some. For others, it is a disaster. I also do not like the whole you are *only* sober because of AA/NA…and they and they alone get the credit. Then the whole guilt trip involved if you relapse…sound familiar? AA books and thoughts about mental health were also written in the 50’s. The info is outdated, sexist and flat out wrong in a lot of cases. Like scientology they will not change it either. The worship of Bill W is obnoxious too. As a psych nurse, omg, I cannot express how important you are…please take some time and check out the orange papers site. I am really going to try and find the story in The Atlantic.

          • Frodis73
        • Frodis73

          I was personally involved with NA for aprox 3 years, but had been around 12 steps since my teen years. The best thing I got out of it was some friends who were not using. However, there are a lot of drawbacks…esp for somebody that is not religious or is naturally skeptical. They use lots of thought stopping stuff too. It really depends on the person and the kind of group they find. There are some amazing and wonderful people in those rooms…but there are also tons of very damaged people that love power and will absolutely take advantage of people…esp newcomers. Just like with any other group, you get good and bad. For me, a die hard atheist, I couldn’t stand the “don’t think” or question things, just do what we tell you attitude…from people who may be sober, but were still totally fucked up in other ways. Plus, my cult obsession made it hard to ignore the cult like ways.
          Whatever the objections your friend may have, be it religious or whatever, there are other non -religious and science based groups. Again, old computer so I cannot give you links. but if you google alternatives to AA you will get a list. Off the top of my heard there is Rational Recovery and SMART recovery. If you friend would like to talk to somebody who has been there (heroin addict) message me here and I will give you my email addy.

        • Frodis73
      • Frodis73

        Actually that is not true. AA and all other 12 step groups are anonymous and will not subit info to be peer reviewed, etc. Studies have shown that AA, etc. is no more effective than any other program or no program at all.
        As for the don’t abuse people, I disagree. There have been tons of horror stories coming out of the rooms and they can be very cult like. One of the biggest problems is old timers encouraging peopple to stop taking any and all meds, while sucking down coffee and smoking.
        Now, it works for some people. It also does not work for a lot, if not most people.
        Please google the orange papers and AA/Cult for more info. Awhile back The Atlantic did a great story about evidence based recovery vs AA. Id get the link, but I am on a crappy pc and cannot open more than one tab at a time.

    • daisy

      AA free – goal to maintain sobriety. Still the most effective way to do so

      • Mark Foster

        Not necessarily. Lots of interesting research has been conducted regarding addiction in the last 15 years…

        • daisy

          I know all of the parts of a 12 step program is not for everybody. I also know that is not the only way to stay sober. A lot of what they teach is disputed. However the statistics show that it is still the most effective way to stay sober. Kay has made a lot of my argument downthread. I see Frodis also agrees with your statement , I may have to do some more research. It is entirely possible I am wrong .

    • Franklin Adams

      I’m not a fan of the 12 step process, but it does work for some people. It didn’t work for my dad, but one on one therapy did. I quit doing a a highly addictive drug through my own willpower and I’ve been clean for almost 10 years. Not everyone can do that.

      Basically, every individual is different, as is every addiction, and I really don’t believe in a one size fits all approach, but it does work for some people.

      • Sherbet

        It’s not a matter of its “not working” for someone, because the addict is the one who has to do the work. Either the addict sticks to the program, or s/he doesn’t.

        Edit: I just realized this sounds like scientology, too, and I’m laughing. Hmmm…maybe AA is a cult in that respect.

        • Mark Foster

          Yes, it´s a cult. My opinion. ETA Just google: brain research related to addiction…also cognitive behavioral therapy and addiction…among other possibilities
          Also posted this below: https://www.orange-papers.org/

    • Mockingbird

      The cult test creator A Orange has written quite a bit on it. You can check out his stuff.

      • Mark Foster
        • Mockingbird

          Yep. That’s the guy. I have not personally evaluated AA. A Orange has put a lot of information together.

  • salin

    Reminder – if you appreciate Tony’s UB work (wtf LA PD), + the Chris Shelton video (TY Chris, very insightful) remember to click Recommend. Upvote the day’s Underground Bunker. There are 166 votes, surely there are more than 166 readers who appreciate today’s content, and the ensuing commentary.

    For newbies – my next reference may or may not be familiar. If it isn’t search “Space Opera” on this site – or on google or another search engine search “Scientology Space Opera” : Forget LRH’s Space Opera – when nature delivers such beauty in RT ‘space opera’ in a literal sense. Several days ago in Norway – the Aurora’s created this beautiful skyscape. http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=132275&PHPSESSID=akai2etrcs3a6mv5u07tfdgi76

    • Kestrel

      Stunning.

    • Sine qua non

      Thanks. I was never sure if I was supposed to touch that little button or not. I guess I needed permission. Hah!

      • salin

        😀

  • flyonthewall

    If Scientology is always going on about orgs needing to achieve St. Hill size, isn’t that an admission that Scientology has never been as big as it was in the 60’s in St. Hill? They’re basically admitting the orgs haven’t grown in 50+ yrs.

    Can you imagine a real corporation like Coca-Cola or Sony having a board meeting and deciding that the strategy going forward will be to make sales like they did in 1962? LOL

    • Franklin Adams

      Sometimes I wonder about IBM and HP, but for the most part you’re right.

      • flyonthewall

        in January of 1963 IBM stock was trading at $5.42. It closed today at about $168

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Someone close to me may have to attend a group like NA, court-ordered. I am trying to get info from all directions.

    • Many of these court-ordered programs can be done on-line now. Check your area with google if it turns out to be needed.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        I had no clue about on-line options. Will definitely look into that.

    • April

      The Narcotics Anonymous official find a meeting search page: http://www.naws.org/meetingsearch/

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        April, thanks! I am asking questions and doing research. This helps.

    • Frodis73

      Is the person objecting this for religious reasons? If so, there are legal precedents about this as the govt cannot force religion on people. Google has tons of info about that.
      If you are worried that NA is NarCONon though, rest assured it is not. However all 12 step programs have cult like tendencies and come are really messed up in that regard. For more on that check out the orange papers (google it with the words AA or cult).

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        Frodis, thanks for sharing so much. I am dealing with a very young person and it is opioids, the latest plague. I dealt with people in AA years ago and I thought they were completely nuts. I told my friend to wait and not send this kid to NA until we do some research and ask a lot of questions.

        • Frodis73

          Always a good idea! With your background I know you will recognize the cult like stuff that is there. Do you know if the kid is on Suboxone? That drug is amazing and it saved my life. If not, they can do some research into that too. Again, feel free to reach out if you need any additional help. I am very open about it. Hugs and best wishes to all of you.

    • salin

      *fist pump of appreciation for this post*

    • flyonthewall

      she’ll never get a man changing tires

      • Kestrel

        She will if that’s her Jeep.

      • She’ll definitely get a man (if that’s what she wants) changing tires.

        • flyonthewall

          you’ll never get a man…doin’…stuff…

          swish

      • dungeon master

        My sister used to get all sorts of men to change her tires. She’d bend over and try to put the lug wrench under the bumper. Never had to change her own tires.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      ^^^^^^ this

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      *mom spoiling*

      Honey, I’m very proud of you, but please use something other than your legs to keep a wheel from spinning when a two-ton vehicle is only being held up by a portable jack.

    • Gib

      and what about Sinar P (a man) as his chef, oh, and that picture of a man serving Hubbard a coke.

      LOL

    • Mockingbird

      She’s a keeper.

  • Glen

    O/T:

    It looks like the river has finally gone below flood stage and that should mean that the water will be receding from the impassable access road. I’ll now be able to exit my neighborhood for the first time in 5 days. I’m not going to try it tonight in the dark but I will early tomorrow in the light of day.

    Thanks, Bunkmates, for keeping me company.

    • daisy

      Thank goodness for that. Sleep well.

      • Glen

        Thanks, Daisy.

    • Franklin Adams

      I’m amazed that Governors Moonbeam and Sandoval haven’t made declaration requests. Ive been waiting on deployment orders for CA and NV all week.

      • Glen

        That is surprising that Jerry hasn’t acted. I didn’t know that. In an area prone to flooding, this was the worst in a decade.

        • Franklin Adams

          Governor Brown is actually pretty good about not requesting until CA’s assets are overwhelmed, he isn’t like some Governors who immediately put in a request, even before the State can’t meet survivor’s needs.

          California has a very strong Emergency Management capability though. Hell, CALFIRE literally wrote the Incident command system that’s standard nowadays in the NIMS. Plus the National Guard and CA State Defense Forces are good at emergency response.

          • Glen

            As I recall, you are in Emergency Management as well. I have had really good experiences with Calfire in terms of versatile high competence, from accidents to fires to flooding and more. And as a bonus, they seemed really keyed in to environmental issues.

            • Franklin Adams

              Yep sure am. And yeah, CALFIRE’s quite cognizant of Environmental impacts from what they’re doing.

              Last thing anyone wants to do is make a bad situation worse later, especially in a State with a crazy hazard profile. Something that does help is CSU-Monterey Bay’s Environmental Emergency Preparedness and Response program, its one of two that I know of in the country and the only one on the West Coast. They’ve quite literally written the book on how we minimize damage to the environment during response and recovery especially regarding HAZMAT incidents, and since I deal with Radiological/Nuclear as my specialization its an important consideration that gets overlooked by Emergency Support Functions #8 and #10 way too much.

            • Glen

              When you say that you deal with Radiological/Nuclear it reminds me that one of the modern salvos of northern California environmentalism that spread all over the place was the campaign against a nuclear reactor at Bodega Bay. I know they didn’t understand plate teutonics so well back then, but yeesh, they wanted to build a reactor right on the fault line..

  • Before I go a googling, has the LAPD/Leah thing been picked up by any news sites?
    This here’s a story. In their laps.

    • Sherbet

      And perfect timing, too, for the news sites that have been talking about Leah’s successful new series.

    • TexasBroad

      I haven’t seen anything.
      Sometimes the cover-up is as big a story as the underlying story. This one stinks to high heaven.

  • chukicita
    • Sherbet

      You’re younger-looking than I imagined.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        He looks so serious…..hard to believe he is the Dodo we know.

        • Sherbet

          The one with the compassionate heart.

          • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

            🙂

      • salin

        We all have that reaction when we first see a Dodo pic. Just a testament to how much wisdom he has picked up along the way, and that he is willing to share with us. The old cliche ‘wise beyond his years’ seems fitting.

        • Sherbet

          Nicely put.

    • Observer
      • Sherbet

        No! Dancing cats, too?

        • Observer

          Dramatically dancing cats.

          • Sherbet

            One has a little “Saturday Night Fever” thing going on.

            Does the name “Myron Floren” mean anything to you?

            • Observer

              Nope

            • Sherbet

              Accordionist on the Lawrence Welk Show.

              Were you the keyboardist, too, or did that person duck out of the picture?

            • Observer

              I should know, then, because my dad watched the Saturday afternoon lineup faithfully every week: Buck Owens, Hee Haw, and Lawrence Welk. It’s amazing I’m not a serial killer.

            • daisy

              giggle

            • Sherbet

              I think your dad was my dad.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Laugh !!

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Myron Floren…..Wow that’s a blast from the past……
              I read on CNN last night that there was only one accordion repair guy left in the whole USA. I guess few people in the US play them anymore.

            • Sherbet

              That’s gonna make Weird Al Yankovic very sad.

            • chukicita

              I kind of doubt there is only one. I think others are doing organ repair under the table.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Laugh !! I thought it was such a weird factoid……there has to be, I dunno, at least TWO of them. I bet Fly secretly fixes accordions and that his Lego biz is just a front.

            • TexasBroad

              How on earth could you even tell one was broken?
              ETA: I kid!
              P.S. love you Obs!

            • Sherbet

              I’d laugh, but I don’t want to hurt Observer’s feelings.

            • TexasBroad

              Ooops – I don’t either! And I was only kidding…I LOVE to polka (and I’m good at it)

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              LOL !!

            • Franklin Adams

              That’s gotta be a mistake. I’m sure there are plenty in the US near the Mexican Border, Norteños is basically Polka after all.

      • That is awesome. Lol

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        That is hilarious !

      • richelieu jr

        The Accordianist Who Loved Cat Dancing

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      I am bored as well, so I feel your…..boredom. I am snowbound, still getting over pneumonia so stuck in bed and as a last resort to allay middle of the night boredom last night, watched a bunch of Bigfoot documentaries….LOL. That’s a new-time low for me, although I now know how to try to “stalk” them in the wild. (Make whooping sounds, hit trees with sticks, leave food treats, use an infrared camera and night vision goggles….of course NO ONE has seen one by employing this methods, but hey looks like they were having fun scaring themselves in the woods. It was hilarious to me) Since I live in the mountains, I opened the door and let out a “Bigfoot scream” for fun…….and got nothing in return except a dog bark. I need more hobbies.

      • Haha! Feel better soon Kay!

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Thx !!

    • chukicita

      Feeling the drama.

    • chukicita
      • You won. Beautiful.

        • chukicita

          I don’t have a cool hat, though.

      • daisy

        you are hot ( channeling my inner Paris Hilton ).

        • chukicita

          Lonnnnnng time ago. I might still be room temp now.

          • daisy

            I have been in the freezer since the 50*s

      • TexasBroad

        Beautiful

      • Joe

        You’re not an actual black panther? Wow, this is awkward. . .

        • chukicita

          I am a panther. This might just be my new avatar, though. It’s hard to type without opposable thumbs.

          • Joe

            Okay, good. I felt dumb there for a second.

            • chukicita

              I picture you hitting keys one at a time. Really hard. I hope that’s not wrong.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Not sure why that cracked me up…

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Gawgeous!

        • Truly. Such a great photo.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            You’re not a bad-looking mofo yourself, my dear. ; )

            • chukicita

              Troo dat! Dappah swag, Dodo got.

          • chukicita

            It’s just a headshot from a million years ago. Yours has more personality and a cool hat.

      • Rasha
        • chukicita

          Aw LOL!

        • daisy

          nut

      • Ella Raitch

        You’re gorgeous xx

      • Ella Raitch

        My most recent ‘don’t actually hate it even though I’m starting to look like someone’s grandmother’ photo. Coffee in Fitzroy, Melbourne with my truly gorgeous daughter
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/94927965a5076ccb062becd46578d26026374faf1bf64a3243c5cf5522fc8880.jpg .

        • I love this photo. And your smile. And your scarf. Hug and kiss.

          • Ella Raitch

            Back to you sweetheart xxx

        • TexasBroad

          Great picture…makes me wish i was across the table from you!

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Cute !!

        • chukicita

          Que Linda!

    • FredEX2

      Dodo ! You look like you play in the band U2 with Bono…or something. Like are you a celebrity?

      My selfie’s be like~

      see below…

    • Mark Foster

      I show this photo to my enemies and say, ¨ If you fuck with me, my Bulgravian hit man will come after you.¨Chills ´em out every time 🙂

    • Robert Eckert
  • Glibby

    I’ve told this story before, but it fits the topic. When Susan Talbot came to the US to try to see her daughter Mandy Kember whom she hadn’t seen in 11 years, the guards at HGB refused to let Susan see her daughter. So we started protesting with signs etc, then went to the Hollywood PD to have them do a welfare check. As soon as we said “Scientology” the cop at the desk said, “Wait, we have to get so-and-so (can’t remember his name).” So out comes the special cop who they let handle all Scientology affairs, and he was a TOTAL JERK. He said Mandy had already been to the PD, and didn’t want to see her mother. “Did she come alone, or with handlers?” we asked. Didn’t matter. So we went back to the protesters, and this jerk cop shows up there and tells us we can’t protest! Um, who says? He insisted we had to get off the sidewalk in front of HGB. Totally crooked, as we had protested there many many times.

    Second part of the story is later when we met with the FBI (me, Susan Lentsch, Graham Berry, and Astra Woodcraft) the FBI agents at the end of the meeting specifically said not to talk to other law enforcement, like sheriff or LAPD. We all knew why.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95dd2d2d860a6006678d36a5f433486a968c1bbbf1085b4cccae8a789ae99f8e.jpg

    • Tony Ortega

      Very interesting.

    • Sherbet

      Very interesting.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      A “special cop” that handles Scientology complaints? Wow what a red flag that is.

      • Glibby

        Yes, it was very obvious this cop had been “safepointed” by Scientology. We were all crying our eyes out, but he just sat there in judgement, and said he thought Susan should have done this or that differently, can’t remember now exactly, but really heartless. This was Hollywood PD, which is very close to HGB.

        I think the Sheriff is just as bad if not worse. Maybe I am too suspicious, but I always thought it was weird that when Daniel Montalvo got arrested when he left the church (for allegedly taking stuff with him) that it was the Sheriff’s Dept who arrested him. I mean, who calls the sheriff if you have a so-called theft?–unless you’re Scientology and think that the Sheriff (Lee Baca at the time, who always showed up at Scn event) will be on your side. Poor kid lost a FINGER as a juvenile when he worked making books for the church, and the sheriff arrests the kid for taking some minor things like a thumb drive or something! Ugh.

      • FredEX2

        It’s quite likely there’s a ‘special’ IRS agent that ‘handles’ Scientology complaints too…which explains why the hundreds of complaints seem to go no where whatsoever…

    • TexasBroad

      Disheartening.

    • Franklin Adams

      Not surprising. The SAIC at the field office likely knows exactly what happens when people go to the locals and was trying to avoid it. They didn’t say a word about other federal agencies, did they?

      • Glibby

        They just said don’t go to other law enforcement. Actually, first they said, “Have you talked to other law enforcement?” and we said “NO” and they said “Good, don’t.” The whole angle was Human Trafficking and we had a big binder of stuff, but they seemed to have been looking into it already. California had just passed a new human trafficking law, and Susan Lentsch really hoped this would help free her daughter, whom she also hasn’t seen in too many years. (There are a lot of Susans, including myself!)

    • richelieu jr

      Badge number and name, please?

  • Tony Ortega

    Wow. I put up that vile passage from Dianetics on Twitter again, and this time Patricia Arquette retweeted it to her 149,000 followers.

    Score.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      Epic score, to be more accurate. 🙂

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Wow. I put up that vile passage from Dianetics”

      I’m sorry. Which one?

      • Observer

        The 7-year-old girl being weirded out by a passionate kiss

      • Tony Ortega

        Maybe check my Twitter feed? It’s on this page.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Sherbet

          Hillie makes a good point. There are so many vile passages from dianetics and other lrh scripture.

          Sherbet gets me.

          • Sherbet

            I “heard” the sarcasm loud and clear.

      • Helen Van Patterson Patton
        • Sherbet

          Hillie makes a good point. There are so many vile passages from dianetics and other lrh scripture.

          • Franklin Adams

            I’d say the whole damned thing is vile, but that’s just me.

        • JJ

          Jesus WHY do they keep trying to make it OK for grown men to have sex with five year old girls?! So many world wide cultures, religions, familial groups histories are filled with men having sex with underage females. WHAT is it exactly that they need from a prepubescent girl or fear from a woman their own age? And I don’t buy the young healthy breeding stock thing, not when were are discussing a child under the age of ten!

          This is not an offside, I watch TV commercials and keep a running tally of how many times you see a woman or young girls back side (clothed or semi) as opposed to a man or boys. Across the board, regardless of the product involved, a woman or a girls ass is show at a rate of ten to one I estimate, whatever they are sell everything, while men and boys back sides are often obscured or not used at all. Why?

          Yes, why should a little girl be icked out by a big old man grabbing her and trying to put his lips on her face, she should welcome the attention. How do we know it is sexist. Imagine it with the genders reversed. Older woman accosting young boy for favors. Still cute? Still “o.k.”. Are only men and boys allowed to have boundaries? Be there own person, say NO to unwanted contact? Apparently even Xenu agrees.

          • richelieu jr

            You act as if it isn’t common knowledge that raping a preteen virgin doesn’t cure HIV/AIDES.

            I mean seriously, SCIENCE MUCH, people?

            • JJ

              I know. Just never ends…

      • April

        The whole fucking thing is vile, isn’t it? I believe it was the passage about men passionately kissing 7 year old girls and that the girls shouldn’t have any problem with that.

        • Franklin Adams

          Beat me to saying it. The whole book is vile, as is what it enabled and continues to enable.

    • TexasBroad

      That’s great Tony, but have you ever peed with Charlie Sheen?

      • Sherbet

        You’re naughty.

      • FredEX2

        Ha! I see you’ve survived your shrimp poisoning /allergy sickness and you’re up off the bathroom floor today and back in good form. 😘

      • richelieu jr

        “Peeing with Charlie Sheen” is Hollywood-speak for rehab.

        Much like Getting Pally with KIrstie Alley” means slagging off mutual friends, or “Cruising with Tommy C” means dressing up the same as you BFF and posing on expensive motorcycles with him, then waving sadly goodbye as drives off to a nearly slave-free outside life while you have to return ro the compound, drink expensive whiskey you have lost the taste for and threaten your ‘mouthpiece’ with the RPF (again!) if she EVER suggests you might be thinking of Tom, just because you can only get it up to the Mission Impossible Theme and froth at the mouth and scream “The boyfriend-stealing BITCH!” any time Katie Holmes is mentioned.

        You know, short-hand forr everyday shit.

    • salin

      Fist pump!

    • scnethics

      BOOM!

    • Newiga

      You are on fire on Twitter. Making 140 characters pack a whole lot of punch.

    • Jack99

      On her episode of the WTF podcast, she talked about studying acting under Milton Katselas. They must have tried to bring her in.

    • madame duran
  • Forest Bird

    Does LAPD have some stellar reputation for unswerving, impeccable service or something? They’re already widely known as incompetent and corrupt. Just release the damn documents. It won’t be embarrassing because everyone already knows their habit of getting involved in sleazy issues.

    • Sherbet

      Ah, but maybe it WILL be embarrassing, and that’s the delicious part.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Celebrity scilon alert: Giovanni Ribisi’s on James Corden’s show tonight. His sister Gina is there doing his hair/makeup/wardrobe. (F5 x 2)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9f43ef71a4a483d2bbb3fe7f2b1f5dd0ff7ad9d6a4aa8839fc8e17f083c7373.png

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    • Sherbet

      I’m confident Corden will ask Ribisi some pointed questions about scientology.

      I kid! I kid!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Oh, I totally expect those questions to come. Right after he asks, “Hey, so how’s your daughter doing these days?” and “Watch anything good on TV lately?”

        • Sherbet

          Right-o!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Maybe Twitter people can tweet some good questions at Corden to ask Vonni…

    • FredEX2

      Yep, and Kirstie Ally was on the Today Show with Kathylee Gifford and Hoda Kotbe this morning. Not a word about Scientology on the show tho.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Ahhh, so we’ve got a mini celeb charm offensive under way. I say “mini” because there aren’t enough celebs left to make it anything substantial. It’ll be interesting to see who gets trotted out next.

        • JJ

          I think right now, the less book that Scientology makes the better off they will be. The noting that any publicity is good publicity died a hard death in this realm.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Like the CoS understands PR…

  • daisy

    Colbert just made a scientology joke. Picture of Leah graphic.. Late show sponsored by L. Ron Cupboards – so you will have a place to hide , when you escape

  • Liberated

    Colbert just did CO$ joke….shows a photo of L Ron Cupboard and a picture of Leah…

    “The Perfect Place to hide when you’re escaping Scientology ”

    I didn’t display this very well, but you get the idea.

    • daisy

      look down

      • Liberated

        Nothing is working for me tonite.
        Internet is screwed up and disqus.
        What to do????
        Bottoms up girl.

        • daisy

          off to bed sweetie, discus a pain all day. good night

          • Liberated

            Plus, I sat on my reading glasses again….super glue do your thing.

  • littlefish

    A few questions for other roads that people with LE background might know. Would state patrol look into something like this? Or Hemet PD (if there is such a thing)? Or could the CBI (CA bureau of investigation) do an investigation, esp if she is being held “against her will?”

    I know “against her will” is a touchy phrasing because of the mindfuck of the cult, but you’d think they would be interested if a “religious” group was holding people hostage and making them wander about with minders.

  • TexasBroad

    Good night Shelly. So many people out here are concerned about you. I wish you knew
    Good night good people of the Bunker. Be well.

  • outraged

    This breaks my heart:
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lois-reisdorf-the-aftermath/

    And blows my mind the lengths Scientology will go to in order to destroy a family.

    Monique Yingling, you are a LIAR!!!!!!!!
    20/20 – cowards. YOu put a blatant liar on your program. I hope you are sued.

    To Lois I give my heart. You are amazing. Your family is blessed to have you. Fuck Scientology.

    • 0tessa

      Like any extremist group they will go at any length to destroy their enemies.
      Extremism is different from radicalism in three aspects:
      the creation of an ideal society is the highest goal; the ‘other’ is evil, the devil or in Scientologese, the suppressive person; and for the extremist a(ny) form of violence is allowed. And so we see Scientology labeling persons as suppressive and breaking up familiies and harassing, blackmailing, intimidating and in some cases destroying and/or killing people.
      Would it help the FBI and CIA when they finally would decide that Scientology is an extremist organization? According to these aspects (and six others pertaining to radicalism), it is.
      (Based on work of political scientist Jean Tillie.)

    • YellowSubmarine

      Are you outraged?

  • FredEX2
  • Dave Reams

    Has anyone filed a missing person report on Kirstie Alley’s career?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      No point… it’s been presumed dead these past ten years, at least!

    • richelieu jr

      Missing Person Reports have to concern the living.

      Zombies are also off-topic, it seems, as are demands to find LRH’s heart, David MIscavige’s Heart, and Justice in the LAPD.

      • Dave Reams

        I don’t know about LRH”s heart, but I heard a rumor that David Miscavige keeps LRH’s head in a pickle jar

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, newbies and lurkers and under-the-radar. Take the comfy chair and we’ll make a pot of tea. Nice to have you here.

  • Oh Canada.
    “Scientology-Backed ‘Anti-Psychiatry’ Scholarship Raises Fears at University of Toronto”
    “We don’t have an anti-neurology scholarship or an anti-hepatology scholarship. Psychiatry is the only specialty that has people trying to abolish it,” Dr. Joel Paris, a psychiatrist at McGill University, told the Post. “This doesn’t make sense.”
    https://heatst.com/culture-wars/scientology-backed-anti-psychiatry-scholarship-raises-fears-at-university-of-toronto/

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    *crawls in & lays down*

    Someone promise me it’s Friday.

    P.S. Is Disqus still sauced?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Yup–Friday… checkDisqus still sauced?… seems better, but upvotes still have a tendency to be slightly ‘unsticky’, but it’s been like that for years!Here… have some coffee… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/78d05ef84a122eefb90a6f974d41defd280f25709f70a36ddb4cc972788ebf3d.jpg

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Thank you Monkey, you’re so cool. *smooches*

        I don’t have to look at any receipts today!! YAY! 😀

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          *blushes* Thanks NOLA :)A day without receipts sounds like a day with great prospects!

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Yes, definitely a good day. We’re close to having everything together our accountant will need for tax time though so, that’s a bonus. ; )

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Definitely–never fun when it’s a frantic race to file before the deadline! Planning ftw 🙂

    • What’sup

      It’s Friday night here, hon. I’m in a happy place.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        😘😘

  • jane456

    I felt like I woke up in Russia yesterday, for this and other reasons. You could say it’s a big FU to LR and Shelly and all vulnerable people everywhere by law enforcement. I mean it was completely dismissive and disrespectful.

    My opinion is that the LAPD really spent those weeks looking into LR to see what her net worth is and if there is anything that she can do for them. They decided that the corrupt and criminial organization with billions in assets has more to offer them, so that is who they will protect and serve.

    And maybe from their point of view Shelly Miscavige is a throw away person. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if one day she was able to regain her “self” and turn this all around on all of them? I know it is extremely unlikely but that would be my wish.

    I hope the people in Crestline continue to look out for her. They may be her only hope at this stage.

  • What’sup

    I miss Sunday funnies. Especially on Fridays.

  • Dave Reams

    Why does Monique Yingling get to be the Ivory Soap Girl for Scientology – their snow white girl public face on the massive media? She isn’t even a Scientologist! Why isn’t Helena Kobrin gracing the airwaves instead?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e81500eef134b0cfa2183cf1c1920c1762cd74b99e3a54823c4f1e16e12b44c4.jpg

  • Phoebequeen

    If her own family members are asking the police to do a welfare check and they didn’t, this is outrageous. I just don’t know what it will take.

    • JJ

      An agency outside of Los Angeles ?

      • Phoebequeen

        But would they have jurisdiction? If the FBI isn’t willing, I don’t know who else to ask.

        • JJ

          There’s that. But at some point if the local bobbies won’t do their job where do you go over their heads to the next step for assistance?

        • Bert Allen

          The FBI would have to manufacture jurisdiction, which they are not inclined to do. Other potential agencies are the District Attorney’s office that normally has it’s own investigators or the California Bureau of Investigation.

  • denise

    Leah can take some solace, and I hope she reads this…that she did not give up on Shelly. When and I mean “when” NOT if the lid is blown off Scientology and Miscavage goes down. Shelly will be free to thank Leah for trying to find her and rescue her OR she will publicly declare WITHOUT handlers, that she was in control of her situation and at no time was she interested or willing to leave her location. Then and only then will the matter rest. I applaud Leah for taking her personal funds to try and help the thousands of people who are speaking out INSTEAD of writing another check to $cientology. I would guess the numerous dollars she gave to them is being used against her today.How ironic…How many churches have “wired security” , spy on their members, chase them down physically force them back into a compound,take away their passports, cut them off from the outside world, family members, spouses and children and that is just a start…WHAT government agency can clearly call those actions “religious”…even the Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have tales that can match the horrors of Scientology.
    The BIGGER question is How to get it stopped. I suggest this website spearhead a national campaign to force state Governors and legislators to FACE THE TRUTH and not bow down to Scientology pressure tactics or those that have infiltrated the local police departments. That would give more fuel to Leah’s campaign

  • Aimee

    This just reinforces my belief that California is the “stupid state”. Where is Governor Moonbeam on this issue? Hello?

  • IHC

    Leah’s attorney should also file a FOIA request via the applicable court to receive internal documents from the PD to gain somewhat about the efforts or non-efforts they took following Leah’s prior requests.

  • Deanna

    I Think that David Miscavage is a sociopath and I think he got rid of his wife. Ido not believe that she is up in the mountains at the compound. Whether he did it himself or he had someone do it I think Shelley Miscavage is no longer on the planet. This is my opinion. I pray for the safety of Leah,Tony, Mike and all the rest of the team that is exposing the church for what they are and the children,for the abuse that’s going on In the church. These revelations of exposing this church, I believe, was sent from heaven above and it is way past due. This church from the top reminds me of the Obama administration/Clintons swamp. It is now time to drain the swamp at the church of Scientology. This includes the IRS investigating and collecting The taxes that they are due from this crooked organization. I pray that the LAPDwould be exposed for mishandling and hiding trying to find this missing person. If they honestly saw her they would t be hiding….it doesn’t help that some of those LAPD officers belong to the church of Scientology. They shouldn’t be allowed to investigate if they belong to the church, that’s a conflict of interest.God is bigger than everyone of these entities so it is my prayer He expose everybody for the swamp that is taken over by these brainwashed humans/ David Miscavage followers. I encourage the team to continue trying to find Shelley, I emailed A&E and ask them to allow this program to continue and that I will be watching every single episode. Tony I see this is your website of which I ended up on trying to find out the fate of Shelly missed garbage and the LAPD. Please make sure Leah it’s a copy of my letter to you tonight. God bless you all and keep you safe.