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The disturbing detail other media missed about TMZ’s Scientology scoop yesterday

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[TMZ’s Harvey Levin and David Miscavige]

This week, Leah Remini hit the Church of Scientology with one of the biggest weapons in her arsenal: Forced abortions.

For those of you who read this website regularly, you already knew that from about 1982 to 2010, Scientology somehow considered it acceptable to motivate young women in its “Sea Org” to work around the clock for pennies an hour by forcibly sending them down to the nearest free clinic for an abortion if they happened to get pregnant. (It only stopped because the Tampa Bay Times exposed the practice that year with a terrific short film. Now, women who get pregnant in the Sea Org merely get kicked out.)

If you’ve seen Claire Headley talk about this subject before, you knew that she was going to deliver a serious shock to the system for viewers Tuesday night, and she did not disappoint. So what could David Miscavige possibly do to counter what was sure to be a wave of stunned press reactions describing Scientology’s barely believable reliance on forced abortion to keep its workers childless?

Well, what else could Miscavige do but turn, once again, to Harvey Levin?

We’ve pointed out numerous times that when David Miscavige wants a story published that serves his purposes, more often than not it shows up at TMZ. And it always sticks out like a sore thumb because unless Miscavige is feeding him, Harvey shows no interest in Scientology stories whatsoever*.

Take Leah’s series, for example. Media organizations from the Washington Post to Rolling Stone to the Hollywood Reporter have been following every new twist in the A&E series as a major revelation. But at TMZ? Not a single word. Nothing. Nada.

Until yesterday. And then, suddenly, TMZ had a Scientology story! And would you believe it, Scientology was getting a raw deal!

You’ve probably seen the story by now. TMZ had obtained (wink, wink) a letter by Scientology attorney Gary Soter complaining that A&E was being hypocritical by canceling a show, originally titled Generation KKK, when Leah Remini’s show was guilty of the same ethical lapses.

After Remini’s show premiered on November 29 as the most-watched A&E series debut in two years, and to mostly glowing reviews, the network began airing promos for an upcoming docu-series about life in today’s Ku Klux Klan. Those ads were met with a huge backlash on social media as the promos gave the impression that a bunch of white supremacists were about to be shown in a somewhat positive light. A&E reacted by changing the title to Escaping the KKK to indicate that the show was not a positive portrayal, but then, just a day later, the network cancelled the show altogether.

A&E’s excuse was that it had learned that some KKK participants had been paid for their appearances, against the explicit instructions of the network. Well, maybe that’s true and maybe it isn’t. The point is, A&E dumped a show that was clearly a miscalculation of public sentiment.

So what does that have to do with Remini’s show? Nothing, really. But Soter, in his letter, strains mightily in order to make the claim that Leah’s series is guilty of the same offense that cancelled KKK. Specifically, that Remini and former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder were being paid for appearing in the series, just like those unnamed KKK scumbags.

And in case you missed that parallel, TMZ did its best to hammer it home…

 
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Subtle.

Anyway, other news organizations jumped on the story because TMZ’s scoop sounded significant, but they generally dismissed Soter’s argument as an example of false equivalence. “We’re talking about payments made to hate group members versus payment to Leah, the [executive producer] of the show,” an industry insider told Variety’s Elizabeth Wagmeister, who did more than just repeat Scientology’s “outrage” and took the time to explain that Soter’s comparison was like comparing “apples and oranges.”

In other words, because TMZ had covered the story, other outlets felt obliged to follow, but Miscavige’s gambit fizzled, while reports of Claire Headley and her forced abortion carried the day.

Still, we were disappointed that our fellow scribes had not done a little further Googling about Gary Soter, A&E, and Leah’s show.

Not a single outlet mentioned, for example, that just a few weeks earlier, we reported that Soter had sent a very different kind of complaint to the producers of Scientology and the Aftermath.

On December 5 we published Soter’s earlier letter, and it’s pretty disturbing. In the series premiere, Leah Remini interviewed Amy Scobee, who explains on camera that as a Scientology staffer at 14, she had been raped by a co-worker, an older man, and part of the incident had happened on the premises of the local Scientology mission. The church kept the incident not only from the police but also from Amy’s parents, and the attacker was never punished.

Soter, however, tried to derail Leah’s program by claiming that Amy had not been 14 but was in fact 16, which was the age of consent in Washington State at the time. And, that Amy had been the “sexual aggressor” during the encounter. He also claimed that the staff at the mission hadn’t done more because they never learned the details of what had happened to Amy.

Amy, however, gave us enough detail to demonstrate that the incident could not have occurred after she had turned 16, and that her memory was quite strong about when it did occur — during the summer when she was 14. As for her superiors being aware of what happened, Amy pointed out that she was forced to write a report that detailed the rape, and then she had been forced to show it to every worker in the mission — and get their signatures on it. (And that’s standard Scientology procedure.)

Now, call us old-fashioned, but we have this nagging feeling that before you promote a story about a letter written by a Scientology attorney pretending that he speaks from a position of moral authority in order to condemn unethical behavior by A&E, wouldn’t it perhaps be helpful to know that just a few weeks earlier, that same attorney was threatening A&E by claiming that a 14-year-old was the “sexual aggressor” in a statutory rape?

Are we the only ones who think this kind of big-picture contextualizing might be sort of important to reporting on anything the Church of Scientology tries to sell the public, especially through a friendly outlet like Harvey Levin’s TMZ?

 
[*The one exception to this trend — TMZ’s reporting last year on Ron Miscavige being stalked by private investigators hired by his own son, David Miscavige — was a story based on stunning court documents that were dropped in the lap of the Los Angeles Times and TMZ by Lisa Marie Presley, via her attorney. The documents were so juicy, even TMZ and the LA Times, another outlet that has shown little interest in reporting on Scientology, couldn’t ignore them.]

 
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Our Scientology year-in-review: September

We’re continuing our look back at the year of 2016 here in the Underground Bunker, and today we’re looking at the stories we published in September

The month began with another strange twist in the Marty Rathbun saga. After months of keeping us guessing about why his wife Monique had dropped her lawsuit against the Church of Scientology earlier in the year, Rathbun suddenly went on the attack again at his website. But this time, the target of his ire wasn’t Scientology leader David Miscavige, but David’s father, Ron Miscavige. In an unusually polished piece that was designed to undercut the most basic assertions in Ron’s memoir, Ruthless, Rathbun put himself in the surprising position of defending David Miscavige. Rathbun said David was being unfairly characterized by his father as unhinged, when actually it was David who had kept his father out of trouble repeatedly. If you were familiar with how Rathbun’s blog had teed off on David Miscavige between 2009 and 2014, it was hard to reconcile with what Rathbun was writing now, particularly the way Rathbun went for the jugular at the end of the essay, trying to undercut the very premise of Ron’s book (that David was personally involved in supervising the private investigators who were caught following Ron). In other words, Rathbun’s piece was pretty obviously an attempt to sabotage the credibility of Ron’s memoir. And, what the hell was Marty thinking?

The next day, thankfully, we had something lighter and more comical. We can never get enough of Scientology’s testimonials videos that feature dozens of Scientologists talking gibberish about how stoked they are to be forking over tons of money to be drilled endlessly on L. Ron Hubbard’s midcentury brain farts.

September also marked the opening of David Miscavige’s latest white elephant, a massive new facility in Australia that is the new “Ideal Advanced Org” for that part of the world. Thankfully for us, our man Down Under Bryan Seymour was on the scene to cut Miscavige’s wild claims down to size.

And then, on September 6, just five days after he had taken aim at Ron Miscavige’s book, Marty Rathbun posted another suspiciously polished essay at his blog, this time an attempted evisceration of Louis Theroux’s My Scientology Movie, which was due to open in Australian theaters in just a couple of days. Rathbun, who plays the most important role in the movie after Theroux himself, said the movie’s filmmakers had deceived him about the purpose of the project. And once again Rathbun was defending David Miscavige, this time making the rather stunning claim that his statements in the movie about Miscavige’s terrible temper were misplaced. He now realized that his statements about Miscavige in the film were really just a matter of projection — it was Rathbun himself that Marty had been channeling during shooting, not Miscavige. However, Steven Mango, who was also in those late scenes in the movie, denied Marty’s claim that Rathbun had not really written or directed the scene depicting Miscavige’s rages in “The Hole,” and he said that Marty was now practicing a pretty blatant form of revisionism. And once again, as with Ron’s book, Rathbun’s screed seemed calculated to deal as much damage as possible in an act of sabotage. Again, what gives?

We didn’t have too much time to dwell on it, because the next day we had one of the year’s big surprises. An anonymous drone pilot had chosen to let us premiere his incredible footage of various secretive Scientology sites that not only showed the organization’s private properties in stunning 4K detail, but also for free use by documentarians or anyone else who wanted to download the footage. We posted the flyovers of Scientology’s various places every Wednesday, and they included a close look at the CST Twin Peaks compound where we believe Shelly Miscavige has been held out of sight since 2005, and a look at the ranch where L. Ron Hubbard had spent his last three years in seclusion.

This was also the month when we learned that Jason Lee had dared to say something public about quitting Scientology. We had heard for some time that the actor’s move to Texas was in part an attempt to distance himself from the church. And now we wondered what his defection might mean for the extended Ribisi clan that had brought Jason into the fold.

On September 19, Steve Cannane’s highly anticipated book about Scientology in Australia hit bookshelves, and we posted a short interview with him. Make sure and pick up a copy of his Fair Game if you haven’t already.

And we finished the month strong with a piece about how Tom Cruise and the church are planning to retake Ireland after Scientology has shrunk down to nearly nothing there. We asked our inside source at Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre to handicap which of the celebrities might be most likely to defect. A story we did about a couple of Hungarian quacks selling Scientology in England as an autism cure exploded to become one of our most-read pieces of all time. And finally, we ended September with a great passage from Steve Cannane’s book, about the late-night conversation L. Ron Hubbard had with a filmmaker in 1968, when he admitted that Scientology was all a con that worked so well, Hubbard was now a prisoner of it. You really have to read this anecdote if you haven’t already. It’s really something.

A LOOK BACK AT SEPTEMBER 2015: We marked a full decade since Shelly Miscavige first vanished. Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear took home three Emmy awards. And we broke the news that Jim Carrey’s girlfriend, Cat White, was a Scientologist on the SRD when she killed herself.

A LOOK BACK AT SEPTEMBER 2014: Nancy Cartwright makes perhaps the creepiest Scientology ad ever. Jim Jackson remembers Lyman Spurlock. And Scientology crows about getting money from Google.

A LOOK BACK AT SEPTEMBER 2013: Scientology’s private dancer, live-blogging at the Monique Rathbun temporary restraining order hearing, and day two’s live-blog which set a then-record number of comments for a single blog post at the Bunker (3,442).

 
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Chris Shelton on ‘Scientology’

 
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Talking ‘Scientology and the Aftermath’ with Lori & Julia

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on December 29, 2016 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • nottrue
    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      BAM!

    • DoveAlexa

      I’m not condoning it, but if someone were to, say, fill a cement truck full of cheese graters and throw him in and I were to walk by, I would just keep on walkin’.

    • Observer

      I knew that idiot would chime in. I KNEW it.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I say it’s about time one of our lovely bunkerettes tries to top Johnny Tank McNaked Pants. Who’s with me?

    • DoveAlexa

      Nonono, you’re suppose to use reverse psychology!

    • grundoon
      • JJ

        Blue foot boobies, cool! Where do they live?

        • grundoon

          “The natural breeding habitats of the blue-footed booby are the tropical and subtropical islands of the Pacific Ocean. It can be found from the Gulf of California down along the western coasts of Central and South America down to Peru. Approximately one half of all breeding pairs nest on the Galápagos Islands.” – Wikipedia

          • JJ

            And what makes the blue blue? know with Flamingos it is shrimp for pink…

            • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

              Caretenoids from their diet of fish, so it’s Mother Nature being a parsinomous bitch.

      • ze moo

        Are those Boobies Goosestepping? Don’t you have to be goose or have paid for the rights to goosestep to someone?

        • JJ

          Could be the cake walk, depends on the music….

          • ze moo

            I suspect a polka was actually playing….

            • JJ

              You can have her. I don’t want her. She’s to blue for me…?

            • JJ

              No it is Barry White, the Wikipedia sight says the males do this in courtship/competition so… I am thinking slow, sultry music…

        • Qbird

          There are other boobies besides the blue-footed boobie.
          There is the red-footed boobie and the masked boobie.
          I went to war with a Masked Boobie once. There are big birds. It won.

          Also, fyi: the design of the football helmet is, in part, based on the boobie’s skull.
          Serious diving bird. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f72d48cee20717b355a10ace90cad87cc5a4df4d6f85901e2c9e24b89bf9623.png

          • JJ

            That looks like a big bird, and not a big friendly yellow bird in NY. I like birds but some can be very hostile, Geese for instance.

        • grundoon

          “Males display their feet in an elaborate mating ritual by lifting them up and down while strutting before the female.”

      • iampissed

        That’s one nice pair.

        • Sherbet

          Hey, now…

    • flyonthewall

      i have mardi gras beads

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Good idea, Fly! I’ll get a King cake.

        • Sherbet

          Didn’t we just celebrate Christmas? Slow down.

    • Nat-leficent

      Um, you know about THE WHOLE REST of the internet, right?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Plans foiled by the “Voice of Reason”.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      If you want. My arse is as wide as Iam tall ( 4ft 13 and a half ) so I can top Johnny on square footage.
      And it is fluorescent white from lack of sun so you may go snow-blind too. Beat THAT Assman!!

      Forgot to add that my local beach has great whites, so you may get the chance to see a pasty white seal ,formerly known as the mirror thetan, get eaten as a bonus.

  • ze moo

    Some great comments on the Rawstory recap of the KKK vs Leah Remini story. F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d2f61a02923e0ac0795fea9b88277b8cf5664f3ef365d6261b547d8984f84521.png

    • flyonthewall

      the okie dokie bit made me lol

      • ze moo

        So many great comments from the Bunkeroos. Mark Foster is hilarious.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      One of the downsides to being able to accurately describe and relate the bat-shit crazy details of a long term belief in scientology and what it does to your mindset is that it begins to appear to others that you are still batshit crazy wth a belief in scientology.

      The sensible mind of un-indoctrinated wogs goes to “tl:dr” mode and out comes “Okie Dokie.”

      • Noesis

        I was writing essentially the same thing at the same time as you.

        See above.

        Okie Dokie.

    • Noesis

      One of the best “defenses” that still-in Scientologists have against ridicule is that the actual truth contained on OT III (and the church’s expensive related “solution”) is so incredibly stupid that it is hard for a non-participant to conceive that the Xenu story is real.

      It has to be a joke.

      And in fact it is a joke…but the joke is on Scientologists, because OT III is in fact Xenu and a gaggle of disembodied spooks that one must telepathically audit away on a Solo basis.

      This, while paying for the privilege of being C/S’d by other folks who are already in on the “secret.”

      Lol.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        But wait, there is an upside here! Once you’re an OaTy you can join your local OaTy committee and hang out with other folks who’ve spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, just like you, and have also attested to having gained abilities that they can’t demonstrate either.

        As long as you don’t spill beans, or quit making donations, you can lord it over the pre-OaTys in your coven and enjoy their respect and admiration while you rege the shit out of them for cash in exchange for totally useless IAS paper statuses.

        “Sound like fun? I know it does! Now, sign right here, k? Hey, btw, your kids are 12 and 14 right? Uh, huh that’s what I thought. We’ll take them too, just sign your rights away and the $ea Org will be their new home the day they hit 16!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Bill T. can’t handle the Chuck. ; )

  • JJ

    God Damn it I have spent the whole day thinking it is Wednesday…
    There is tech for that isn’t there? I’ll take the EST.

    • Mark Foster

      No, write a success story! You are cause over time! Go to the examiner, then see the reg!
      On the next level, you´ll become cause over matter!
      Well done, JJ!
      Will that be Master, Visa, Amex, your 401K, or cash?

      • JJ

        Lemme go get my Mom’s wallet….

      • JJ

        The semantics fall under the okie dokie argument. But if you live your life in Scientology or any religion really, you live the language, walk the walk etc. You really “have to be there.” it is like another language. How many of us speak Klingon fluently…

    • Techie

      Nowadays they call it the “Landmark Forum” but it’s just Scientology Lite. But they don’t promise you can bend time, takes a quantum physicist or a senior citizen to do that.

      • JJ

        Love Physics. Wish I had the math for it.

  • Observer

    Playing Destiny with Mr Observer. Our randomly matched teammate is Br0s3fStalin.

    • iampissed

      Tell my kid it’s time to come home.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    “Retake Ireland”. with one big Sp there. Me don’t think so. Mr Griffith.

    • JJ

      Seriously.

    • ithilien

      ireland is already run by a cult

  • Noesis

    One last comment for tonight:

    It is important to remember that the “Source” of Scientology is this guy:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/620bd4520106d47ffe89ef3957f18eb258db71a5cd8386cfb4591270bfdbec67.jpg

    and that if something goes horribly non-standard and you are at risk of losing your eternity you have to work with the guy below (Scientology International Justice Chief Mike Ellis) as your “sole terminal” for a solution.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44e7209f86934dc1a037122f7dace73253f4528fefa9ee671ecf5da348e4e877.jpg

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Note to lurking Scientologists: If those two pictures above don’t “put you off your feed” – then you sorta deserve what’s coming your way…eternally.

    Run…do not walk…to the Org exit door.

    Never go back.

    Lol.

    • StudentOfLife

      I always thought it funny that the Int Justice Chief was too fat to fly to testify when subpoened in a case against Miscavige….so much for cause over matter, energy, space and time. He doesn’t even have cause over what goes into his mouth. I remember I sent this pic of him riding the bike to pre-clear to ask how could the Int Justice Chief be so fat he was unhealthy if he was a powerful figure in her religion.

      On another note, I got a lot of recorded data today that blew my sister’s mind given this was her first experience speaking with the lyingest liars on earth at the mecca of this cult up close and personal and she’s lived in Clearwater since 1995. I took names and countries of origin. Will report Thursday what I observed. Unsure if I want to post the recordings so might transcribe parts of them.

      • Noesis

        It is true almost across the board that when one meets the “senior executives” of Scientology a deflation of perceptions about the nature of the organization is inevitable.

        In the modern era especially, virtually all of the real talent has already fled or is imprisoned.

  • What’sup

    WTF SP’s ‘r’ us? Removing posts from Mark Ebner. SMH

    • flyonthewall

      what’d they remove?

      • What’sup

        I didn’t see the original post but i saw his post asking why they removed his post. They removed that one too. They keep the AGP posts up and they’re just harassment.

        • JJ

          Gonna lose my nut on that one, have they removed the post that commented on the removed post from the removed post?

          • What’sup

            Watch this space.

            • flyonthewall

              Weird. I can’t find any of it. I been mostly only here for awhile now anyway. I see that weirdo Andy Nolch is all over the place over there. Why doesn’t he come here? Prob scared of being raped

            • What’sup

              I love you, man.

            • flyonthewall

              yes he sure has. They’re lucky to have him posting there. *shrug* idk man

            • What’sup

              It’s Mark fucking Ebner! He’s earned the right to post Knock Knock jokes at a page for SP’s

            • Qbird

              That poor kid. I have listened to every one of his rants. [omg – I have]
              Commented to him once.
              Watching this neophyte’s progression is to see up close & personal what Hubbard’s dreck does to a young person. Sad as fuck.

            • flyonthewall

              meh, I haven’t bothered. Seems like a troll to me.

            • Qbird

              Not so much a troll as just a dumb, young & full of…. LRH… ignorant kid.
              He says doing Scn. is fun and has helped him in the most amazing ways.
              Now, I don’t see him having fun ranting, why, the boy can barely complete a sentence much less try and make a cogent argument for Hubbard. And he has never explained exactly how it is that he has been helped. XD
              Andy doesn’t seem to be able to even get dressed & his eyes have massive dark circles around them.
              Scn is sucking his brain & soul right out of him, in real time.
              I get what you’re saying here tho, Fly, one person commented, “Andy currently has his head way up Hubbard’s ass. He thinks he’ll find enlightenment there.”
              and this is true.

          • iampissed

            What post?

            • JJ

              I am not sure I have high enough rank to know, let me check. I can’t find it, I see a mess of deleted post by my posts and wonder what the hell happened and do i want to know? It was posts from another site I think. I can’t find the convo.

      • JJ

        Will they hand out pasties at the door? And what pray tell will Mr. Baio be performing? Selections from The Turner Diaries?

        • Sherbet

          Scenes from “Joanie Loves Chachi.” He’ll be playing both parts.

          • JJ

            Duude….

      • What’sup

        Don’t think so, but it did mention Ivanka and Shelley. Ebner’s a guy who really knows how to use social media. He doesn’t take it, nor himself, too seriously.

        • some people do take social media’s way too serious. This is also why they get Trolled

      • Sherbet

        Funny faux poster. Now, if only “you’re” had been spelled correctly.

        • kemist

          I don’t know, it makes it seem more genuine somehow…

          • What’sup

            Yep.

        • ithilien

          thats trump spelling

      • ithilien

        forgot to mention little jackie evancho, the little girl singer with the transgendered sibling who is fighting to use the obvious bathroom at school.(and who jackie is supporting) evancho should be ashamed of herself for supporting this homophobe and appearing in DC

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Great video with Tony, Lori and Julia. thank you so very much.

  • iampissed

    ..

    • Michael Leonard Tilse
      • iampissed

        Xnay the replynay.

        • Sherbet

          Regardless of the deleted posts, one doesn’t have to be OTVIII to figure out what was said downthread. My good wishes go to…well, you know.

      • how did you make a completely empty comment? Are you a magician!

        • JJ

          Maybe copy and paste a blank space?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Not sure I should reveal my secret…

          • nothing like Taboos

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Psst…. “edit” and replace with spaces, at least two.

            • Ohh dear! now you done it.

            • JJ

              Didn’t work for me. no worries….

            • i just did… and will do it again he he

            • JJ

              What if you accidentally end up on the dark web and order a bomb shelter or some Korean teenagers for slave labour?

            • they all know me there, so i am not afraid

            • JJ

              tried dots.

        • ithilien

          can you see the dots? according to the inter web, thats a putdown of the previous post.

        • iampissed

          I still trying to figure out how to delete.

          • pluvo

            see below

    • iampissed

      I’m a little slow.

  • madge filpot

    OT: Just saw Tuesday’s episode of A&E. Man.. that was STRONG! SO well done.. Mike you are doing incredible! Leah.. you are a FORCE….and I bet the Producer is having the ride of his life! lolol

    • JJ

      And getting a lot of huffy, legalistic mail from CoS sympathizers….

  • Mooser42001

    Did the full story about Rathbun’s suit-stopping and in-and-outing ever come to light?

    • Qbird

      nope.

    • flyonthewall

      No time for the old in and out love, I’ve just come to read the meter

    • ithilien

      obvious he took a payoff. and possibly he’s around the bend

      • Nat-leficent

        Gosh, it really seems like a payoff, but that is sooo illegal and risky and downright wrong. Can you imagine he did it for nothing but Miscavige’s word that the harassment would stop?

        • Libertylover

          I think he was threatened by David. He probably came up with some scheme to expose his crimes. His real crimes, not the Scientology kind. They agreed to a truce, jmo.

          • Nat-leficent

            Solid theory.

          • StudentOfLife

            I’ve wondered about that possibility and think it is the most likely. Miscavige knows where Marty buried all the bodies (and I realize that today members don’t likely commit outright first degree murder given their preferred M.O. is to drive them to suicide….a subject waiting for A&E to cover in Season 2….hint). Given we know Hubbard and then Miscavige would order certain people taken care of regardless of how they were taken care of, the miscreant Miscavige probably found one potential death that could be linked back to Marty without Miscavige being hauled in. Curious to see what Tony thinks given what our proprietor knows that none of us yet know. Tony doesn’t give up the goods until they are fully vetted.

            • Libertylover

              Sounds like you have some inside info, perhaps?
              Marty threatened David with spilling the goods at least once IIRC.
              I wondered, what’s stopping him? I thought back then , Marty would have to implicate himself, to nail DM.
              David probably sees it as a big win, called his bluff and upped the ante

            • StudentOfLife

              I don’t have any inside info, but meant Tony likely does. , I do seem to have good instincts normally regarding such matters as how murders are committed given I was a court reporter in the Air Force for eight years active duty and 7 additional years in the AF Reserves and I traveled a lot as I was used for a majority of the (not to many) murder cases involving military members because of my knowledge of chemistry and science when DNA and forensics started being used in court cases. I once was asked to speak in front of 700 black men on their way to the Million Man March and state my “how OJ murdered Ron and Nicole” theory (as their guest) and nearly everyone wondered why I was the only one who apparently had what appeared to be the best theory. Nearly half the crowd said my theory convinced them OJ did it (I think the other half knew he did) and I always thought Marcia Clark didn’t have a clue as to how the murders occurred in sequence. It was my experience as a court reporter that gave me insights into how the murder likely unfolded.

            • Libertylover

              That’s fascinating.
              I follow court reporting myself and occasionally attend court for the big cases. Most murders seem to be messy and hectic, the rest end up in a trial.
              I’m sure OSA/Marty planned well but likely DM knew or investigated what Marty did later, with his orders. It’s the LRH thing when he talks about members doing the crime but protecting the leader. I think it’s the Simon Bolivar story, but I could be mistaken.

            • Libertylover

              Was your theory similar to this guy? He’s an ex trial lawyer/prosecutor turned talk radio host. This pretty much summed up what I thought about OJ and how he did it.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0pZbz854S4

            • StudentOfLife

              I will watch this and let you know what my theory was and how it differed. I actually visited the crime scene within two weeks of the murders so I could at least check out the scene as best I could given they kept everyone back a certain distance. I was able to get close enough to look down the famous driveway. My theory was formed before the closing arguments. I laughed at Marcia Clark during her closing arguments and realized she didn’t have a clue as to how Ron Goldman got grass stains on his knees with no blood on the bottom of his shoes. Her argument would have made me acquit him even though I had no doubt he murdered both alone.

            • StudentOfLife

              uh oh, this guy got a lot wrong. Will type out what likely happened as soon as I finish seeing what else he got wrong. I applied Ocham’s Razor to the details and my experience in understanding how murderers think which began in college with Dostoevsky’s fascinating book “Crime and Punishment” still a classic for the ages.

            • Libertylover

              If you have time, I’d love to hear your critique on what he said. My interest was piqued again when the mini series aired. I remember watching it then and liking it, I’ll watch it again.
              Humans are imo not so unique, so you learn about human nature in general too as well as the specific case.
              OJ later wrote a book called something like, If I Did It.
              Apparently he basically confesses and says how he would have boastfully done it.
              It’s on my list to read quickly when I see it at the library.
              Dostoevsky’s “Crime and Punishment” is on my list too, maybe I’ll read it over New Years?

        • Qbird

          ya wanna pancake or a waffle, Nat? XD

  • JJ

    It’s five fifty two, do you know where David Miscavige is…?

    • What’sup

      CoB of RTC can’t take your call right now, he’s busy kickin the shit outta some poor sap. Can I take a message?

      • JJ

        I don’t know what to say. Tell him to knock it off. Everyone knows about it, it is only gonna get worse, grab a clue and a Powerbar and go lie down.

        • What’sup

          Oh…um…ah. Did I say kickin’ the shit outta someone? Ahhh..I meant saving the planet.

          Yes, CoB is busy saving the planet.

          • flyonthewall
            • What’sup

              I do now. That’s a jam, kinda like a cross between The Roots and P-Funk.

              Sweet.

            • flyonthewall

              they’re tight. Socially conscious, positive hip-hop. Their sound from the 90’s is way different, more traditional old school hip hop, it has really evolved over the years.

            • What’sup

              I’m definitely gonna check ’em out? Recommend a starting album ?

            • chukicita

              “Steal This Album”

            • What’sup

              Fa realz?

            • chukicita

              Contains the song “Me and Jesus the Pimp in a ’79 Granada” if I’m not mistaken.

            • What’sup

              Thanks Chucky.

            • beauty for ashes

              best comment of the day 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              i like kill my landlord

              ETA – it’s a much different sound than this one though

          • JJ

            Oh O.K. I wasn’t sure I read that right.

  • kemist

    They’re showing Mission Impossible III (dubbed in french for extra lulz) right now.

    I wonder if Tom Cruise does anything else than running from things in there. I don’t know why, I know I’ve seen it before, I just don’t remember anything of what happens in it.

    Maybe I slept through it.

    • JJ

      I saw one and two and six?…

      • kemist

        It has Phillip Seymour Hoffman as a villain. At least there’s one good actor in it.

        • JJ

          Mhn can they dub it into Hungarian maybe….

  • ithilien

    inside edition also missed the tommy davis mariah carey scientology connection. according to their story, the breakup was caused by Mariahs indiscriminate spending. theres a lawsuit coming, with mariah claiming she went to expense and travail, moving her family based on her boyfriends promise of marriage.

  • JJ

    .

  • JJ

    Can’t do it, gonna go watch the Zags.

  • nottrue

    Everyone wanted to talk about Leah…Block block block.. She can not talk freely … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b6e712f390200872f5e0230e843173491297c7febffbb70771f42287fa14bea.jpg

    • That’s one shitty Ask Me Anything attempt.

      • What’sup

        Ask Me Anything! Please, don’t mention the huge elephant in the room.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Ask Me Anything…But That. Or That.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      What is the right forum for talking about scientology’s abuses, Kirstie? Besides a courtroom, I mean.

    • stillgrace2

      It appears that Kirstie is going to set up a new forum that has a membership requirement. You must kiss her butt and wear big blinders. Maybe the new forum will have an automatic block function.
      This could be interesting.

      • Liberated

        I think the only requirement is ” bring donuts”….and lots of them.

        • stillgrace2

          Leah’s success and popularity must be a real burn for Kirstie.

          • Liberated

            Oh hell yes!

            • stillgrace2

              She’s been blocking people like crazy. My favorite tweets are the ones where people announce that they are unfollowing her!

            • Liberated

              Sounds like the girl needs to do some TR’s.

            • stillgrace2

              Get out your wallet, Kirstie.

            • Kestrel

              Isn’t she OT8?

            • Liberated

              Maybe….if she is, she’s not “handling ” this situation very well.

            • stillgrace2

              Yeah, but she only made it up the bridge once. Remember Mary from The Aftermath?
              She had to do it twice. Why not Kirstie?

            • DoveAlexa

              Her fans are actually jumping ship on her now? Wow, I didn’t think that was even possible.

            • Libertylover

              She will still have her paid followers from India though, but she might have to pay extra for them to post adoring comments now the real ones are thinning out.

          • MarcabExpat

            I’m having fun imagining Kirstie being jealous of Leah the way Marty is (I imagine) jealous of Mike Rinder.

        • beauty for ashes
          • Liberated

            I think the girl is partial to Krispy Kreme.

            • beauty for ashes

              She is missing out. except for the bald one, these are far superior. Krispy kremes go by so fast, if you dunk it in your coffee, it’s gone. But the real Kirstie is not here to argue with me, unless she wants to…

            • Liberated

              People made such a big deal when KK’s arrived on the scene, but I was never a fan either.
              When I did eat a donut I liked entenmann’s too.

              They’re at the end of the aisle, you know.

            • beauty for ashes

              They were also buy one get one free last week too!! I put one in the freezer. It didn’t stay long. 🙂

        • ITYM:

          “bring muffins”

      • DoveAlexa

        If she hires people from outside of $ci to do it, she could have a normalish looking forum, but she herself would still have no clue how to run it.
        She’ll either end up drowning in spambots, or being queen of a ghost town because the 3 people she allows to post will get bored.

  • Another punch in the gut to the freewheelers http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-placebo-effect/

    • Kestrel

      These are good articles.

      • yes..totally down to earth without the whooo

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Once again, scientology is utterly tone-deaf in their own defense. This is what the AV Club had to say about their complaint:
    “In a rare case of an organization actually asking to be given similar treatment to a high-profile racist hate group, the Church Of Scientology has denounced executives at A&E as hypocrites for continuing to air Leah Remini’s Scientology And The Aftermath while canceling the KKK docu-series Escaping The KKK.”

    And concerning the possibility of someone being paid for Leah’s show:
    “Of course, those writers and speakers aren’t spending their profits from the show—if they’re actually getting any—on white hoods or cross-burning supplies, suggesting a certain moral gap between the payments made during Escaping The KKK, and whatever money was doled out for Remini’s show.”

    Total PR fail. Poor David Miscavige! He really is in over his head and totally incompetent at his job. Sad.

    http://www.avclub.com/article/scientologists-want-their-e-show-canceled-too-247790

    • scnethics

      Gotta love the AV Club 🙂

    • iampissed

      Thats going to leave a mark.

    • MarcabExpat

      *snicker* he really is too “clever” for his own good.

    • Illinoisian

      The link above went to “Page not found”. I found the article by googling part of the text, here:

      http://www.avclub.com/article/scientologists-want-their-e-show-canceled-too-247790

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Thanks for the heads up. I will edit my comment.

  • sizzle8

    This letter and comparison to the KKK has caused a flood of Google news alerts.
    Thanks Gary Soter!
    Gotta hand it to Miscavige and pals, they are A and E’s best marketing partners.

  • Rasha

    Just got home. Think I might have missed some stuff. Just done unpacking, and recovering from the celebrations, despite the ongoing malevolent scourge that is 2016.

    Ah, there’s the wine. Rasha’s gonna throw everything into the washing machine and go to bed. Anyone who can best sum up the last 5 days in 14 words wins….. I don’t know… a customized picture of something. Imma let you…. um, let…. yaawwwnnn…. *collapses*

    • iampissed

      Night

      • Rasha

        =^_^=

    • Kestrel

      Just a suggestion: Throw everything BUT the wine into the washing machine.

      • Rasha

        Oh! DAMMIT!

        THAT was close! Thanks, birdie!!! *_*

    • Kestrel

      Leah is kicking ass. Scientology is shooting their foot. The world is watching.

    • beauty for ashes

      “don’t worry ..about a thing.. every little thing.. gonna be alright”
      how bout that? Night night Rasha pants

    • Robert Eckert

      “Some mothers will not let even death separate them from their beloved children”

      • beauty for ashes

        Ha ha, but that also leaves poor Todd, Debbie’s son. I said to my mom I guess this confirms who the favorite always was. 😉

  • Shivani33

    The New Yorker had an article by Nicholas Schmidle ( Feb. 22, 2016, The Digital Dirt) about Harvey Levin, “How TMZ gets the videos and photos that celebrities want to hide.”

    Here’s a quote: “Levin also disapproved of the way that publicists leveraged access to celebrities in order to control the media coverage of their clients. ‘The stories that were being told weren’t real,’ he said in a 2009 interview. ‘Producers knew that they weren’t real, but they played ball to get interviews with the stars.’ Most journalism about stars, he said, ‘was built on a lie.’ ” Levin also mentions decisions made by him, for different reasons, to withhold stories. That’s sometimes a kind of leverage, in and of itself, always has been.

    Levin is discussed by former employees, often reluctantly. The article reveals a few similarities between the way that Levin and Miscavige operate and behave with staff. It does beg the question, which hyena greases which hyena’s palm? Or is it a matter of each holding mutual dirt, a two-fisted one-up-manship game? Both D.M. and Levin have plenty of money, so methinks that their “collusion” has other roots. Usually peoples’ buttons aren’t very deep – sex, power, drugs, blah-blah – under the carpet, but the dirt has a way of accumulating and rising of its own accord.

    • Tony Ortega

      Maybe the weakest New Yorker “takedown” in a decade. That was a highly, highly anticipated piece, and it was an utter failure. Read more like one long puff piece by an admiring media groupie than what it was touted as being, Harvey’s comeuppance. A total disappointment and a shocking failure for a publication as reliable as the New Yorker.

      • JJ

        And the line…”stealing manure” has got to have some resonance… that and someone saying “Oh yeah, well you should see the stuff we don’t print…”

      • What’sup

        You want screen shots of Krustie’s tweets?

      • Shivani33

        What was missing from this article by Schmidle was the article itself! In April, 2015, Schmidle was working on his Levin/TMZ piece for The New Yorker and attended a UC Santa Barbara lecture given by Levin, titled “The New Journalistic Environment.” (LMAO…) Schmidle introduced himself to Levin after this talk and comments about the way in which Levin received him: “Arms crossed, he expressed displeasure over the fact that I had contacted current and former TMZ employees, and referred me to his publicist.” His publicist, you see, ’cause Levin is a celebrity with his very own publicist. You can read between the lines and see that Levin’s takedown of the Digital Dirt long prededed the article’s publication. Sounds so familiar, yes? The dude runs his own widdle cult now.

  • Observer
  • nose

    I’m not sure how I feel about this video my youngest kid showed me. She doesn’t realize how sad it is to see some of these people gone and referred to in this way as she doesn’t know much about them.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z04M6NhkIKk

    • Tony Ortega

      I like it.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      This is well done. And 2016 IS a serial killer. Too many deaths of good people this year.

      • nose

        I felt that way even as I got that little tightened chest feeling at seeing Bowie and Wilder. My second thought was how many people are going to be offended since some of it was going for humor. My third thought was 2016 has sucked so hard and this video describes exactly how I feel about that.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Last month was the 25th anniversary of Freddie Mercury’s death. Still can’t listen to The show must go on or who wants to live forever without that tightened chest feeling.
          This whole year has really sucked donkey balls.
          Let’s hope 2017 is an improvement. It has gotta be for Xenu’s sake.

    • coonellie

      I swear the liberals take the cake with conspiracy theories. This trailer was great. Unfortunately it makes me sad. Do I like what’s going on politically? No!
      Do I fear for workers in America? We need our Unions! They’re being decimated.
      But I don’t see the end of the world. Yet.
      Unless I count President Obama giving the finger to Russia (finally…thanks for waiting seven years) or to Israel (our last stable ally in the Middle East). Again, this will not make me popular. Again I did not vote for Trump or HRC.
      I wish we could turn back the clock and have Truman or Lincoln or Washington.

      • nose

        I don’t see the end of the world either. My kids are 14 years apart and my youngest is by far the most shrewd when it comes to seeing fake news and propaganda for what it is.
        Many of us thought we could trust what was being reported as fact and unfortunately still do. FB and twitter are great for getting the truth sometimes but so many repost bs stories without bothering to check sources . As an example I’ve had people post on my fb about a missing kid who was found years ago. As soon as I see this kind of thing I google and see if I should share the report. 99% of the time it is a resolved event that is still being dramatized and shared.

    • Robert Eckert
  • Safe Friday.

    • coonellie

      Shabbat Shalom to you too dear Dodo! So proud of Dodo’s Jr.’s paper.

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    O/T: My baby kitten is starting to look like an old man with a beard. Oh, how they grow up so fast! F5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/df0a92c327603ecdb91f2ced96f43ac01ecbace3a81ecbf6ab4f67f26a16e655.jpg

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Pretty kittycat.

    • Ella Raitch

      Nooooooooooo she looks pretty pretty

  • FredEX2

    Tony, or anyone who might know…O/T but I was wondering who took Marty and Mike’s place in CoS? If it was mentioned before can someone post the link?

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Didn’t that creep Tommy Davis become the CO$ spokesman after Rinder?

      • FredEX2

        Yes, but Mike was more than that. They both worked with OSA etc. Marty was DM’s ‘right hand man’ and an ‘enforcer’. Who does this now?

        • Frodis73

          I don’t think they have been replaced…Tony will know for sure though.

          • FredEX2

            Ok. Hope he sees this question. It would be interesting to know.

          • nose

            They have all been replaced by rubber stamped signatures and the last few desperate souls who abide to stay out of the hole.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Isn’t that what Davey’s wife was working on when she disappeared – the CO$ executive Org Board?

          • FredEX2

            Well if that’s the case, and it specifically involved replacing Marty & Mike…it makes it even more interesting.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Rinder was still in but according to Vanity Fair: http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2014/03/shelly-miscavige-scientology-queen-de-throned

              “In late 2006, according to multiple sources, Shelly was tasked with a Sisyphean project. Already various Sea Org officers had tried and failed to satisfy Miscavige’s wishes for a new and improved “Org Board”—a corporate reshuffling, basically. Shelly, despite months of round-the-clock drafting and re-drafting, fared no better. Miscavige rejected everything.

              At this point they were communicating from afar. Rather uncharacteristically, Miscavige had felt a strong and sudden need to spend time in Los Angeles, which housed the church’s publishing unit, about to peddle its latest book of Hubbardisms. In the meantime, at Int Base, Shelly went back to the Org Board. Then, for reasons known only to her, she made two executive decisions. Without Miscavige’s O.K., she disseminated the chart and informed people of their new titles and duties. Additionally, in order to facilitate renovations on Miscavige’s living quarters, she had some of his belongings boxed up and moved to a temporary housing unit, according to John Brousseau. Within days, former colleagues say, Shelly seemed to know she was living on borrowed time….

              [7 years after she disappeared]
              … during which time Shelly’s whereabouts was largely unknown by the outside world and not spoken of by her husband. Now in the head office it was just Miscavige and Lou Stuckenbrock.”

            • FredEX2

              Wow Walrus, thanks for this detailed account of the situation that led up to Shelly being banished / disappeared to CST… Very interesting.

    • Dave Reams

      What do you mean “Marty and Mike’s place in ©o$” ? They never had a place – they were just lowly parisheners who were expelled for unethical conduct. : )

  • coonellie

    OT. Any link for the Leah Remini special with Paulette Cooper?

  • Tim Hallinan

    Harvel Levin is the lowest form of animal life, well below the slime molds.

  • Nat-leficent

    What does T.M.Z. stand for in terms of an acronym anyway?

    • Libertylover

      “The name TMZ stands for thirty-mile zone, the historic ” studio zone ” within a 30-mile (50 km) radius centered at the intersection of West Beverly Boulevard and North La Cienega Boulevard in Los Angeles, California.”

      • What’sup

        That’s what’s written on their restraining orders.

    • nose

      Terminal mecurial Zealousness? I know. I’ll show myself out. Sorry Nat.

  • FredEX2

    O/T : Tinker, Tailor, OSA, PI or spy?…or does he work for TMZ LOL! Never saw so many cameras on one guy.

    2 weeks ago this fella came into the store right after me and he seemed skittish or something. It wasn’t just his appearance ( and all those cameras he was wearing ) that seemed so out of place…but he acted like he was shopping…he was in the store for about 20 min…looking up and down the aisles without a cart and never getting anything. He was conspicuous …while seeming to not want to be noticed at the same time. Weird vibe. Weirder still when he later went to the self check out with two bagels in hand with no price or package with a code to tell how much to pay. Then about an hour later he was at two other places I went in town…not even near the store. Got a couple of pics of him just for ‘fun’.

    Today, even tho I still have the flu and look quite hideous…I had to go to the store and the pharmacy…and there he was again..came in after me…this time wearing only 1 camera…I got a pic bc I found him kinda interesting and I was curious.

    PI’s use all sorts of ruses and props. I once had a case where I had to get pics and verify the ID of a subject up close. So I carried a leash with a collar attached and walked around the neighborhood whistling and calling out for my pretend lost puppy ‘Buster’. I walked rt up to the subject and secretly got some good pics as I asked if they had seen my cute little puppy. Sometimes a good ruse is to ‘hide in plain sight’…and tho I’ve never seen a PI do this…it would be a great disguise to be blatant and wear cameras and take photos…as if you’re a photographer….hmmm. I know timing is a factor…and the rule of 3 that if you see them twice in one day it’s ‘interesting’ but 3 times in 3 different spots…then you’ve ‘made’ them.

    What I’ve never seen before too is that thingie in his ear. Is it some kind of new finagled Bluetooth or what is that thing? 🤓 Pics are from different days ( today he was wearing a black jacket and only had 1 camera. He looks like a Papparazzi to me LOL …Maybe he works with TMZ Ha! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ab566595d25dfdb9e04432a7c434777006dc587f0850ee03176d2538e34266dd.png
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a183f756343268624760d165273b56ea478eeefb6cf53ba431cc254e52d2dfb0.jpg F5

    • What’sup

      Take care of yourself, Fred.

      • FredEX2

        What up What’sup? ! 🙂
        Can you tell what that thing is in his ear? Today it was raining out. Not exactly a good day for someone to be going around taking photos. He had only 1 camera on him today. He seems to always dress completely in black.

        I’ve been taking care of myself, but this flu is like the bubonic plague or something. 😷Never felt so sick.

        Or did you say ‘take care of yourself Fred’~ bc he looks like OSA or an assassin or something? LOL ( maybe that’s not funny )

        BTW, don’t ever take a double dose of Mucinex Extra Strength by accident. It will dry up your innards so much it’s like you’ve been crawling thru the Mojave desert in 120’ weather for 3 days. It’ll suck all the moisture right outta you just like that.
        Halp! …

        • What’sup

          I said “take care” bc I know they hassle you and I and other peeps here really do care about you.

          Yeah, that fuckers suss for sure.

          • FredEX2

            I’m ok. Glad you guys care. I care about you too. I’m worried tonight tho that the cult goons are messing with my daughter now…as they promised to do next if I ‘talk’. ~Just found out tonight that the creep that held her up at gun point and took only her ID and passport 4 months ago ( but not the $400 cash she had ) is now coming blatantly to the restaurant/bar where she works and just stares at her as scary as possible as if to intimidate or threaten her. Her boss and friends spotted him & got photos and ran him off & law enforcement is running a comprehensive background on him. If there’s any connection to CoS they’ll hopefully find it. Even if this creep is stalking her on his own…everyone is watching out for her. She doesn’t know him at all. He held her up at gunpoint when she left work one night about 4 months ago. It’s unusual for a criminal to openly be blatant and boldly come in to someone’s workplace. I remember what I learned about OSA…if they let you see them it’s to intimidate…I also remember what an OSA said to me “We can do anything to ya…and there’s nothing you can do about it. We can pay anyone a nickle to get rid of you without a trace.” When they said that I got mad and said “Oh yeah?!!! I’m worth more than a nickle.”
            That’s before I really knew the full scope of what I was dealing with. These people that participate in fair game are corrupt and dangerous. I know their capabilities now. It’s always worse than you know. When they say they’ll destroy someone utterly…and do anything to ruin them…they definitely will.

            BTW, the night that creep came into her workplace and stared at her in a threatening way…coincides with the day I posted on the Bunker for people to call Adult Protective Services and give them info about Shelly. I think that several did just that. I also contacted my cousin…a retired Sheriff who happens to be friends and past colleagues of Sheriff Lee Baca ( who has been seen at Scientology events and obviously ‘friendly’ with CoS ). If my name was mentioned…these cult bastards would threaten my daughter to intimidate me. ( or pay a criminal to do it so it doesn’t seem connected )

            • What’sup

              I admire your courage and fortitude.

            • EmmaDaoust

              That’s awful, Fred. Bastards.

            • Refresh my recollection of your history and why they want to do this to you.
              Briefly.

            • FredEX2

              Can’t find it Shorpy. Where did your recollection go?

            • chukicita

              I don’t understand. If someone held your daughter up at gunpoint and then shows up at her workplace, why weren’t the police called and why wasn’t he arrested?

            • FredEX2

              He left before they could get there. They haven’t caught him yet. Plus she is in Los Angeles right down the street from ‘Big Blue’ and in the heart of one of the most ‘safe pointed’ and Scientology friendly police depts. They have a name that he gave to open a tab at the bar, but I’m sure it’s going to prove to be a false name or alias with fake ID. If he was that bold…he’s there to intimidate and make her feel threatened.

              When I was being fair gamed…these guys would follow me right into the grocery store, and on more than one occasion go into Starbucks and sit at a table rt across from me as I was having coffee…and just ugly stare me down. Several times there was one of them who wore a cowboy hat and pointed toe Cowboy boots. There are a couple of OSA who dress like this. At the time I had no idea who they were. The police told me to carry a camera and get pics. But they would vanish before the police arrived. They would come around and give me threatening stares and tail me in vehicles and on foot…just like you saw in Leah’s last program this week when PI’s were chasing her and Mike around in Denver.

        • ReallyMGM

          So sorry you are sick and it hang on so long. Get well soon, Fred.

          • FredEX2

            Tks ReallyMGM. Hope you got your flu shot. This isn’t much fun. I’m not usually one to whine, but this year’s strain is awful.

            • ReallyMGM

              I did. I have to get it every year because my husband has cardiomyopathy and he has to be incredibly careful who he around during flu season. We have pneumonia shots onboard too.

        • chukicita

          I hope you went up to Papa Razzi Earstick and sneezed on him.

      • Scratch that – it is close but not the same device.

        • FredEX2

          Could it be an accessorie for a smartphone of some type. It’s obviously some sort of communication device.

          • Those small bluetooth headsets have been around for years. Where have you been, living in some kind of bubble?

            • FredEX2

              Yes. They create new stuff all the time…I’m an old lady and can’t keep up with it. That thing looked like something worn in Star Trek…back when things like that didn’t actually exist. Now they do. Life is cool like that 🤓

            • I was just joking 😉

            • FredEX2

              Me too.

            • ReallyMGM

              I’ve used one for years. My hair hangs over it and you can’t even see it. It cancels out background noise amazingly well. Unfortunately the brand (Jawbone) no longer makes them and only makes fitness trackers now. Bummer. 😭

          • It is a bluetooth headset. So yes, it is an accessory. Instead of wires it transmits and receives wirelessly with a phone.
            The “communication device” is the phone in his pocket.
            I believe you have an iPhone, right? If you don’t want to hold it up to your ear, you can get a headset, wired or wireless (bluetooth).
            They are cheap. Get one. You can then avoid arm strain, and do things with your hands. You will wonder why and how you did without it.

      • FredEX2

        Tks Eivol! Incredible the new technology that’s being created all the time. Looks so futuristic. But wouldn’t it be uncomfortable walking around with that thing stuck to your ear all day?

  • Good Morning Bunker.

    • FredEX2

      I was just gonna say good nite. It’s 1:32 am here. Have a great day Eivol. 😘

    • Ella Raitch

      Good morning (afternoon here)

      • What’s for dinner? down under?

        • Ella Raitch

          Popcorn (at Star Wars Rogue One)
          Film and nibblies both delicious

  • What’sup

    Ignore me im drunk.

    • Supper Powers

      Good lord…..

    • FredEX2

      What? Please hurry 2017 before we lose anyone else!

    • Supper Powers

      Wait. The Google says he died in 2005.

      • What’sup

        Yeah…..i was misled…..Sorry!

        • Supper Powers

          You were reading fake news on FB, huh?

          • What’sup

            No, Mrs What’sup was……….bitch.

            • Supper Powers

              Sure, blame her…. 😉

            • What’sup

              Go with what ya know.

    • Newiga

      I’ll have what you’re having.

    • I’m ignoring you. Can you tell?

  • GhostOfFloBarnette

    Tony Ortega is gScientology Kryptonite! Thank you do much for posting this story. In a previous comment I posted a few days ago, I mentioned that TMZ will delete ANY comment that mentions the missing President of Scientology Heber Jentzsch. The very next day, Tony posts this article. I truly believe that this cult will be taken down and Tony Ortega will be recognized in the history books as a man that helped bring them down.