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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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LIVE FROM TEXAS: The Monique Rathbun vs. Scientology Temporary Injunction Hearing

ComalCourthouseToday and tomorrow, at the Comal County Courthouse Annex on Seguin Avenue in downtown New Braunfels, Texas, a temporary injunction hearing is scheduled to take place in the lawsuit filed by Monique Rathbun against the Church of Scientology and its leader David Miscavige, who is responsible for a campaign of harassment against her, Monique alleges.

Monique herself is prepared to testify today in a hearing to determine if a temporary restraining order will be converted to a temporary injunction, which will keep Miscavige and the church from surveilling and harassing her throughout the life of the lawsuit.

But will the church pull a fast one and grant the injunction, preventing any testimony today? That might be one outcome, or the church may be in for some of the most damaging testimony since Debbie Cook’s day in court in February 2012.

We were there that day when Cook, under oath, vividly described the abuses she endured while an employee of Scientology. And we’re here today to witness what happens in New Braunfels.

Yesterday afternoon, we snapped that photo of the original Comal County courthouse (built in 1898), but the hearing will be in a more drab annex building next door.

We don’t know yet how much of our equipment we’ll be able to bring in — as we said earlier, cameras have already been prohibited during testimony, but we’re hoping we’ll be able to provide live blog updates during the hearing, as we did in San Antonio last year.

We told you yesterday that Monique’s legal team had subpoenaed David Miscavige, but we have not heard yet how Miscavige’s attorney reacted. We are doubtful that the church leader will be in court today. However, late word last night was that one person who has given notice that he’ll show up is Bert Deixler, one of Scientology’s high-priced California attorneys, and the name behind the church’s petitions to the California Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court in the Laura DeCrescenzo case. That’s a big gun coming in at the last moment, and perhaps gives an indication of how seriously Miscavige takes today’s proceedings.

As we said earlier, however, we can’t help wondering if Scientology will want to prevent the debacle that happened in a very similar situation last year in the Debbie Cook lawsuit. Cook’s day on the witness stand on February 9 was a disaster for the church, as Cook’s compelling words about conditions in “The Hole” became sworn testimony and then front-page news the next day.

In order to prevent a repeat of that nightmare, could Scientology be prepared to grant Monique Rathbun a temporary injunction in order to prevent her from testifying about the harassment that she claims to have experienced?

We’ll be doing our best to find out, and our plan is to provide live-blogging updates throughout the day. For best results, set your comments to “Newest.”

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 12, 2013 at 07:00

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7:57 am

Still a little dark here in New Braunfels this morning, and not quite 70 degrees, but it will get over 90 later today. Last night at the Pour Haus on San Antonio Street the temperature was just right for a beer on the patio.

While trying to figure out what moves the church might make in this case, the Bunker passed on a suggestion we’d heard from an attorney, that this case was so possibly toxic, one option Scientology might actually consider is simply defaulting and walking away. In that case the judge would then assign damages. Perhaps it’s better just to write a check and be done with it, we said. But our drinking companion, a savvy journalist, thought that was unlikely because it would mean giving money to Monique Rathbun and, by extension, Marty Rathbun.

But the church recently wrote big checks to Debbie Cook and the private eyes, Marrick and Arnold. Why not to Rathbun?

Because it’s Rathbun, our friend said. Miscavige couldn’t bring himself to do that. He’ll fight this tooth and nail and make it last years and years.

What do you think, dear readers?

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9:32 am

….AAAAAnd we’re in place! Photo of courtroom coming in a moment. Arrived at the courthouse to see seven Church of Scientology attorneys pile out of a rental van. But now the current church team appears to be TWELVE attorneys.

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9:37 am

Photo from our position…

 
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The gentleman in the front row is John MacCormack of the San Antonio Express-News, who just said hello (we met him at the Debbie Cook hearing). Joe Childs from the Tampa Bay Times is also in town. All of the church’s attorneys are here and ready to go. No sign of the plaintiff’s side yet, but it’s still only 8:37 am here in Texas.

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9:43 am

Bert Deixler

Bert Deixler

Church team now up to FIFTEEN suits. Bert Deixler is definitely here. So is Gary Soter — all 6-foot-6 of him.

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9:48 am

The Rathbuns have arrived, with Mike Rinder. Ray Jeffrey is in place. He was just talking with one of the church’s attorneys, and we want to say that it is George Spencer, one of the local attorneys who was hired for the Debbie Cook matter. We had not heard before this that he’d been hired again for this matter.

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9:50 am

Monique Yingling, Eric Lieberman, Warren McShane — hey the gang’s all heeeere!

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9:51 am

KENDRICK MOXON! Oh, our old pal Kendrick is here. Haven’t seen him in person since around the year 2000. He’s looking healthy.

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9:52 am

Michael Hertzberg is here, and I’m told he goes WAY BACK as a church attorney. He’s sitting next to Yingling.

No question: this is the A-Team, first string, varsity legal crew at the little Comal County courthouse.

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9:56 am

Gary Soter just came over and started dressing down Joe Childs, saying he didn’t want any photographs of him taken. Other reporters politely informed the very tall attorney that he’s in a public courtroom. Drama!

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10:00 am

Team Scientology has a hand truck with four banker’s boxes of documents. They’re loaded for bear! Court clerks getting ready now. Looks like this may actually start on time.

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10:03 am

The bailiff has just asked for one attorney per party to go back and talk with the judge in his chambers. Ray Jeffrey goes in with about four from the Scientology side.

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10:09 am

Still waiting while the attorneys are in chambers with Judge Waldrip. This small courtroom is pretty packed now. A couple of Bunker readers have come over to say hello. Looks like there are a couple of local photo journalists covering this. Three Sheriff’s deputies at the doors. At least four other reporters here, including MacCormack and Childs.

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10:21 am

They’re still in chambers. As for the church’s huge legal team, keep in mind that there are multiple defendants in this case. The Church of Scientology International (CSI), the Religious Technology Center (RTC), David Miscavige, Dave Lubow and Monty Drake (church private investigators), Ed Bryan (Squirrel Buster), and Steven Gregory Sloate. And each of them is entitled to bring an attorney. Still, this is the most impressive collection of Scientology attorneys that we’ve ever seen in one place.

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10:32 am

Wow, here’s an update on that huge team. It turns out, only one of the defendants has made an appearance in this case — the Church of Scientology International (CSI). David Miscavige and RTC have made “special appearances. But none of the other parties has official appeared in this case yet. So that 15-suit team is here for three parties! And the number of banker’s boxes is up to 16. Wow.

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10:34 am

Ray Jeffrey emerges. One of the church attorneys asks for a conference room, and a sheriff’s deputy directs him. The entire church team files out. Ray’s going back in with Monique to judge’s chambers.

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10:38 am

OK, just talked to Marty Rathbun. He says the issue at this point is that the Scientology side is throwing so many different issues at the judge, the judge wants them to figure out some sort of order to handle this. So we’re looking at a procedural nightmare, and Judge Waldrip has asked the church to get its act together. So Scientology is huddling in one conference room, and Ray and Mosey are meeting in another conference room.

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10:43 am

I see questions about “special appearances.” This was the subject of our story on September 1, that David Miscavige and the Religious Technology Center (RTC) had made special appearances, asking to be let out of the lawsuit. It was at that point that Miscavige filed his declaration, saying that he has nothing to do with Texas and should not be a part of Monique’s suit.

So that’s one of the issues today, that RTC and Miscavige (or their representatives) are here under special appearances, and want Judge Waldrip to rule on their request to be dropped. OK?

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10:52 am

The Scientology legal team has filed back into the courtroom.

As for what may be gumming up the works, keep in mind that there are numerous issues being put before the judge today. First, there is Monique’s attempt to get a temporary injunction. The church will be opposing that, we suppose. But two of the defendants — Miscavige and RTC — filed special appearances, objecting to this court having any jurisdiction over them. They want the judge to rule on that, and remember, Miscavige’s special appearance was countered on Monique’s side with Marty’s affidavit. So he’s here if he needs to testify. But then also, just two days ago, the church filed its motion to have Ray Jeffrey and his team disqualified, complaining that Marty, in his affidavit, had improperly violated the church’s privacy by revealing what went on when he worked for Miscavige.

So Waldrip is being asked to deal with all of that, and we can understand that he may be trying to bring some order to that chaos.

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10:54 am

Monique’s team back in the courtroom, but the church’s four-member team now goes back to judge’s chambers.

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11:14 am

Attorneys back in the courtroom. One Scientology attorney (a local one, I think), is explaining to the others what the procedure is going to be. He’s out of our earshot, however. Ray Jeffrey is also back in the courtroom now. It appears that some kind of decision about how we are going to proceed has been reached.

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11:19 am

Here’s what I’m being told: The request for temporary injunction will be heard first. The church’s attempts to put their issues on first were rebuffed. So we may get testimony from Mosey and her other witnesses before the church can put on its own witnesses. That’s big.

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11:22 am

Big Scientology attorney huddle going on right now, with Monique Yingling in the center. Drawing straws to see who has to break the news to Mr. Miscavige that their team goes second?

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11:29 am

ALL RISE! We are in session!

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11:31 am

WALDRIP: Opening statements coming in the temporary injunction hearing. Then testimony. He’s saying no recording devices during testimony.

George Spencer, for CSI, objecting to this going forward before motion to disqualify is heard tomorrow morning.

Waldrip denies. Ray’s ready to proceed.

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11:33 am

RAY: Introduces Monique and Marty.

This case is about the harassment…by the defendants…on Monique Rathbun.

There are a couple of issues the court will be dealing with. Should the TRO be extended into a temp injunction, and are the defendants under the jurisdiction of this court. He says the answer to both is yes.

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11:34 am

RAY: For more than three years, the defendants have shattered the privacy and tranquility of Mrs. Rathbun’s life.

She has endured a complete lack of privacy, nonstop surveillance, photographing, videoing, face-to-face confrontations…nasty, humiliating pranks…and finally an interference with her ability to make a living.

At the end of last year, Monique had reached the breaking point…

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11:37 am

Ray now describing how the Rathbuns left Ingleside and have moved to a place with more privacy here in Comal County.

They were still followed sometimes…but at least they felt secure in the privacy of their new home. That was until recently, when a suspicious stranger showed up on the property behind them.

Steve Sloat. Former deputy US Marshal. Said he was putting an RV on that land. The Rathbuns were suspicious. Then maybe a month ago or so, on this wooded property they found hi-tech, camouflaged surveillance cameras aimed at their home.

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11:39 am

Ray saying that Monique was distraught when she learned about the camera aimed at her house.

We’re here today because she realizes her only option is to stand and fight. That’s why we’re here to seek a temporary injunction.

And Ray points out, with all of these lawyers with the church here today, all Monique is asking in this hearing is that they stop harassing and following here. That’s all.

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11:40 am

Ray making the point that this is not a religious case. She has never been a member of the church.

“We’re not here about their theological or religious beliefs…the court is not going to be asked to make any decisions about any of that stuff.”‘

It’s about a law-abiding Texas citizen’s right to live in peace.

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11:41 am

Ray suggests that the issue in this case will not be that Monique is being harassed, but who is behind it.

We will show that it is one person behind it, Ray says — David Miscavige.

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11:42 am

SciLawyers

What a Scientology lawyer scrum looks like.

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11:44 am

Ray now telling the judge that Scientology is purposefully set up to make things confusing about liability.

Corporate Scientology is a wealthy enterprise with billions of dollars…even the IRS gave up and granted tax exempt status, he pointed out.

It has a disciplined group on the business side that is in charge of scorched-earth legal strategies and dirty-tricks operations…

Scientology lawyer asks to address the bench. Bench conference! Ooh, they didn’t like Ray saying all those things about OSA!

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11:46 am

We just noticed — if you put Colonel Sander’s mustache and goatee on Ricky Gervais, you have Judge Dib Waldrip.

Oh, now that we noticed it we can’t stop seeing it.

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11:50 am

Bench conference over.

RAY: There’s one piece of historical evidence, cited in books, etc., that is absolutely crucial — that when OSA was known as the Guardian’s Office, it committed the largest single infiltration of the US Government. Operation Snow White.

In fact, Ray says, one official who went to federal prison was Mary Sue Hubbard.

Scientology attorney objected. Waldrip saying he understands the web and history is extensive. Ray moves on. Scientology attorney now complaining that Ray is playing to the media.

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11:53 am

RAY: Saying the result of Operation Snow White was how do we come up with a corporate structure to keep doing what we do and reduce liability.

Scientology attorney now objecting saying the only way Ray knows this is through attorney-client privileged information. Say WHAT??

Ray points out that he’s just talking about what is in numerous books, etc. That was a bizarre objection by the church.

The point of this corporate restructuring, Ray is saying, is directly related to this case. (Ray’s setting up an argument against what the church will argue, that RTC is unrelated to OSA and CSI, etc.)

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11:54 am

Ray is saying that the evidence will show that despite the complex corporate structure, David Miscavige actually runs things and oversees the sort of scheme that targeted Monique Rathbun.

He’s saying that Miscavige is not just chairman of the board of one little entity, but that he runs all of Scientology. He’s now introducing the Sea Org.

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11:56 am

Ray is saying that the Sea Org operates with a military structure and discipline, that members sign billion-year contracts. Every significant corporation in this collection are all members of the Sea Org.

Waldrip trying to speed him up. Ray explaining that Miscavige is the commanding officer of the Sea Org, which actually runs Scientology.

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11:59 am

RAY: We will show that in Miscavige’s eyes, there is no bigger enemy than Monique’s husband, Marty Rathbun.

He fled Scientology and came to Texas. Met Monique, got married, living a quiet life. But then Marty began speaking out about the church. And the harassment began.

We will show that there is no one in Scientology who could order such an operation but Captain Miscavige.

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12:02 pm

Ray finishes up, saying that his side wants Miscavige enjoined from continuing to harass Monique.

Waldrip wanting to know attorneys on church side…

Lamont Jefferson — RTC and Miscavige
Les Strieber — CSI
George Spencer — CSI
Jonathan Hull — Sloat
Bert Deixler — CSI

(Those are just the ones at the table) More back in the seats.

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12:04 pm

Lamont Jefferson now speaking for RTC and Miscavige.

Telling the judge we expected to hear about damage suffered. But we heard a diatribe, he calls it. And Mr. Rathbun has been gone from the church since before 2004.

Weird point to make: Yeah, so why are you still harassing him?

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12:05 pm

Lamont Jefferson now making a statement for the special appearance — court must decide if Monique Rathbun can present evidence about what’s happening TODAY in the church.

His argument is that Marty’s evidence is too old. Wow. So apparently, folks, David Miscavige no longer runs Scientology — or at least, the Rathbuns have no way of knowing.

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12:06 pm

Jefferson now saying that Miscavige has a limited role, and he’s quoting an old statement by Marty. Classic tactics.

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12:08 pm

So it’s the usual argument: Miscavige has a limited role, and that was certified by the IRS. And using Marty’s words when he was an employee against him.

Saying that Miscavige is only ecclesiastical leader. Those are the words of Marty Rathbun.

“Your honor, I am not a Scientologist, but I am a disciple of the first amendment, and that’s what’s really at stake in this case.”

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12:11 pm

Jefferson saying that instead of going after the people who may have harassed Monique Rathbun, Ray Jeffrey instead asked to depose David Miscavige.

Saying it’s just for leverage, to get a big settlement. But that it would be a gross violation of the first amendment guarantee of freedom of religion.

Lamont says Monique can proceed against CSI, which has plenty of money to handle a settlement. (Wow, did he really just say that? Pretty close.)

So he’s saying, go ahead, let Monique sue the church, but leave Miscavige out of it because it would just be a violation of his freedom of religion.

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12:12 pm

Lamont Jefferson continues to try to make this a religious case, talking about ecclesiastical role of Miscavige.

Now he’s giving us a slide show of Scientology! Big crowd for a New Year’s Eve celebration. Hip hip hooray!

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12:14 pm

Jefferson now doing basic Scientology PR.

This is a simple case of invasion of privacy, OK I get that. Not Miscavige: “He’s not the person behind this.”

Well, he can say that, but why not let Monique’s team try to prove it? That’s what’s going on here. Jefferson is arguing about even letting Ray’s team put on a case about Miscavige.

Jefferson’s opening statement basically boils down to Scientology PR. Miscavige is an ecclesiastical leader and should be left alone.

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12:16 pm

Jefferson restating what he’s said before. Once again, saying that Marty’s information is too old. Oh, and about Miscavige:

“He doesn’t know Marty Rathbun. He doesn’t care about Marty Rathbun. He’s busy opening churches around the world.”

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12:21 pm

Now he’s making a legal argument. Even if it were true, he says, that Miscavige, from his desk, said go get Mrs. Rathbun, that wouldn’t be enough for jurisdiction in Texas, he claims.

End of Jefferson’s statement. No Strieber rises to say something. Strieber is saying that the church would be so generous as to accept her affidavit in lieu of her testimony.

Oh, what a great guy. Hard to believe Waldrip would accept that.

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12:25 pm

Ray says no, that’s not going to happen. Mosey is going to testify about what she’s seen here in Texas, not about Scientology history.

So now Les Strieber is going to give CSI’s opening statement. Says he’s going to be brief.

Says he was retained a couple of weeks ago, and has been spending the last two weeks understanding what Scientology is.

The Church of Scientology is an established religion…It’s based on the writings and teachings of L. Ron Hubbard…who wrote Dianetics. Churches in 150 different nations. 19 million people have visited the website!

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12:30 pm

Strieber: It is a religious dispute. Marty Rathbun had high office in the church, but was asked to leave.

Raising statute of limitation question — that Monique said she was aware of surveillance four years ago.

Strieber is now quoting from Monique’s affidavit, about how Marty started speaking out in 2009, about 5 years after he’d left the church.

One of the ways he spoke out was by starting a blog. Strieber holds out his hands to show how many binders all of Marty’s blog posts fill out (and that tells us what the Sea Org has been doing) — and it’s “hate-filled” material, and he’s been on TV! He talked to Anderson Cooper! And there are blogs out there that are against the church! Someone needs to get this guy some smelling salts.

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12:33 pm

Strieber is saying that if he went out and started his own “Methodist” church, he couldn’t do so “without a visit from the actual Methodist church.”

There’s nothing wrong with attempting to hold that orthodoxy, hold those scriptures to what they’re intended to be. — this is apparently Strieber’s justification for the Squirrel Busters! He’s saying that this comes down to an orthodoxy fight. Amazing.

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12:36 pm

“The Rathbun cabal” — there’s a group that has teamed up, he says. “You’re going to hear from a Mike Rinder” The three of them are directly or indirectly involved in 15 different legal proceedings against the Church of Scientology.

“It’s become an industry for them,” he says. And every one of them is played to the media. How, he asked, did the St. Petersburg Times know about this lawsuit the day after it was filed?

By reading the Underground Bunker, is the unstated answer. Hey-O.

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12:37 pm

They don’t like the surveillance that’s been done by the church. But you have to understand that when the orthodoxy of the church is being challenged, they have to do something about it.

Wow. Les Strieber basically just admitted that Scientology is surveilling the Rathbuns, and because they are a threat to the church’s “orthodoxy.”

WOW.

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12:39 pm

So the strategy of Scientology is beginning to emerge: CSI is going to fall on its sword, admit that it’s been surveilling the Rathbuns — but because it needed to defend its orthodoxy — so that RTC and Miscavige can wriggle out of it.

And here’s the funny contradiction: RTC/Miscavige (Lamont Jefferson) just said Marty’s evidence is irrelevant because he’s been out so long, but CSI (Les Strieber) is saying Marty is so important, his blog has so much power, he single-handedly threatens the orthodoxy of the church and has to be surveilled.

I sure hope the judge is taking notes.

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12:42 pm

Strieber is saying that if the church was defending its trademarks and orthodoxy, it did so without breaking laws, and without violating Monique’s privacy.

They’re not going to prove that anything was illegal or improper, Strieber claims. He says anyone would recognize that they were just doing what anyone would to protect their religious orthodoxy.

I’m hearing some “wows” said quietly by people in the audience. This is pretty stunning. Scientology’s need to protect its orthodoxy is somehow righteous behavior.

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12:44 pm

Strieber now apparently bringing up the Daniel Montalvo matter?? He says Rathbun, on his blog, had advocated people in the church stealing church property and bring it to him, and someone did that with a hard drive.

End of his statement.

Sloat’s attorney defers giving an opening statement.

Judge Waldrip saying tomorrow morning dealing with disqualification matter. This afternoon we’re going to have testimony from Monique Rathbun.

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12:48 pm

Judge Waldrip and Ray Jeffrey and Les Strieber talking about how to proceed.

Breaking for lunch. Back at 1 pm (2 pm NY time, which the Bunker is still showing.)

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1:04 pm

Having a sandwich across the street. Hey gang, the sheriff’s deputy told us we can’t have my laptop out during Monique’s testimony.

So what we’ll do is take written notes and then start a new post later this afternoon with a summary of what she said.

So we’ll just sum up so far what we’ve seen so far…

1. Ray Jeffrey stood up to a gang of Scientology lawyers to convince Judge Waldrip to make sure his side went first, and to allow the testimony of Monique Rathbun.

2. The church’s strategy is pretty obvious: CSI is getting thrown under the bus in order to protect Strategy One, which is to keep Miscavige out of the lawsuit at all costs. CSI is admitting that it surveilled the Rathbuns, and it was even said in court that CSI has enough money to satisfy any damages or settlement of Monique Rathbun.

What a morning. We hope you’re as entertained as we are!

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1:28 pm

We’re sitting with Joe Childs, talking about Lamont Jefferson’s astounding comment that Monique should sue CSI and leave Miscavige/RTC alone because CSI has plenty of money for her to go after.

We wanted to double check that’s what he said. So we checked Michael Bennitt’s camera, which recorded Jefferson. And here are Jefferson’s exact words:

After saying Monique could go after CSI, he said, “They have sufficient assets to address any damages she claims she has suffered as a result of this supposed investigation.”

Wow. CSI has plenty of money, Mosey, so go after CSI and leave poor Mr. Miscavige alone, who is just an ecclesiastical leader opening churches and should not be bothered with such matters.

See you later this afternoon after Mosey’s testimony!

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  • baddog5623

    LOL, but true

    • Victoria Pandora

      LOLLOLLOL!

    • Graham

      Kitchen sink Tech!

    • Krista

      Awesome!!

    • RMycroft

      They’ve got enough guys for a sports team. They could call themselves the Toom Tabardeers.

    • cicely neville

      I wasn’t going to take up space with any more comments, but BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      Oh my God. I’ve got to quit this…..

  • mbell

    Thanks so much for watching this so closely. Hugely juicy and delightful!

  • Kim

    The image of little davy stomping his feet, turning purple and screaming I won’t I won’t I won’t….while being led away in a straight jacket….makes my heart warm…

    • DamOTclese2

      David’s own lawyers will advise him to be sedated before climbing up to the witness seat if David is forced to appear. At least I would hope that they remind him that he needs to be quiet and calm if he’s ordered to appear to explain his crimes against the plaintiff, and that medication is the only way to ensure against significant outbursts that will certainly result in the Judge inquiring as to David’s mental competency.

  • shasha40

    OMG , we’re over 2100 now ! And we hit the 2000 mark by 4 pm ! Good show of support, can you Feel the Love Tony ?

    • Eclipse-girl

      It was just after 4:00 eastern but hey its close enough. I thinK TO should have to put the update here just to make this a record thread

      • Kitz

        I think we’ve well passed any old thread record, so I have a feeling doing that would completely break both Disqus and The Bunker. :-)

        • Eclipse-girl

          I do not care about Disqus. BUT i care very deeply about the bunker.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      It is kind of awesome. I’m visualizing the thousands of us around the world glued to our computers, just watching this drama unfold!

      • shasha40

        Yes it is , better suspense and drama than Any tv show or movie . I just want Monique to succeed in putting another nail in COS’s coffin . We’re with you a million percent Monique .

    • Jgg2012

      It may exceed the crowd that watches the opening of the SP building next month.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ha…don’t bet on it!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ha…don’t bet on it!

  • Suiram

    AHH!! I’m so curious! Why does DM care enough to have a local officer restrict Tony? He’s only a radical posting on the fringes of the internet about a bitter former apostate… shesh…

    • Robert Eckert

      The restriction on recording and electronic devices during testimony is a matter of local court rules, nothing to do with this individual case.

  • Mrs Libnish

    Where is my email stating a new blog post is up????

    • DeElizabethan

      Sure it will come after court today when Tony will give us one as promised.

  • http://BareFacedMessiah.wordpress.com/ BareFacedMessiah

    Guys, please stop uploading pictures. The server might crash otherwise. There are too many people refreshing this web page.

    • Suiram

      Disqus server admins right now…

      • media_lush

        got worried….but it’s okay now

  • Observer

    I can’t take the waiting! I’m gonna go play Gears of War.

    • Mrs Libnish

      I wanna start drinking, but I’m still at work.

      • Yeppir

        I never let that stop me.

        • Mrs Libnish

          Hahahahahaha…good one!

        • Mrs Libnish

          Hahahahahaha…good one!

      • Minion Gayle

        I’m suddenly longing for the days I worked down the block from a bar instead of across the street from an organic grocery store.

        • dagobarbz

          Since there are no preservatives in organic stuff, buy a bottle of grape juice and put it out in the sun for a while…;)

          • Eclipse-girl

            Have you ever made wine? or are you trying to get Minion sick?

            My dad used to make wine. He liked it. As my palate has become more refined, his was meh. But it takes sugar, and yeast to get get alcohol

      • Krista

        I feel for you, I am on my second glass of wine. I can’t stand the wait!

      • dagobarbz

        I’ll have a beer on your behalf. I earned this!

  • Deeana

    To Tony Ortega: Wonderful, wonderful courtroom coverage!

    Okay. I just made my donation. Something I have been meaning to do. Wish it could be more, but hey, every little bit helps, right?

    This is such a great blog! Sometimes I wish it was a “forum”, which is more what I am used to. Because there is no way I can get through 2132 comments, which is what it is right now. Today will surely be a “most posts” day for this blog. My compliments to the many self-monitoring posters here. The discourse and exchange is with few exceptions “namecalling free”. (I used to participate regularly on a political forum where it started out great and ended up that one was learning some new awful put-down phrase by the minute! It destroyed the place and it eventually closed. Capitol Grilling was the name, by the way.)

    I have been visiting the ex-scientology message board and have now read several threads which post the story of a single person and their involvement in Cof$. The story that really got to me was by a woman who is disconnected from one of her sons. Her guilt and sorrow at having brought her children into the cult are palpable in her writings. Such sadness….and I can relate, even though I am a Never-In.

    I would like people who are separated from a loved one to know that even among us Never-Ins, there are those of us who are experiencing similar circumstances with loved ones. The Cof$ is not the only thing on earth that can separate families. And the pain of separation is the same pain, no matter what the cause.
    Re: Board slowness in loading
    Extraordinary amount of people being signed in all at onetime could possibly crash the site. I’ve been around other places when this has happened. You all need to determine and designate a “meetup place” in advance of this ever happening. esmb?

    Enough. Let’s enjoy today.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Welcome Deeana. Glad you like it here.

      • Deeana

        Thank you for the welcome. I’m a long-time reader of Tony Ortega. Since right after I read the Tom Cruise biography.

        • Eclipse-girl

          TC has a biography? That is a laugh.

          EDIT : Morton, huh. I may read it.

          • DamOTclese2

            The Unauthorized Biography is a good one, it remains polite and professional and attempts to stick only with the testable facts of Tom Cruise. At the very end there is only one highly amusing comment about Cruise’s bizarre attacks against Brooke Shields. :)

    • i-Betty

      Hi Deeana, it’s nice to meet you here :)

      • Deeana

        Hi I-Betty – thnx. Keeping this short in order to not overwhelm the bandwith.
        My initial desire to learn more about Cof$: The Andrew Morton unauthorized biography of Tom Cruise. Do not underestimate the power of this book!
        Had heard of Hubbard and Dianetics way back when – 1970s. Never liked science fiction, so never read it. Plus I live in Pittsburgh.

        • Robert Eckert

          Go Steelers!

          • Nevermore

            Let’s see those Terrible Towels!

          • Deeana

            Thanks Robert! I sure hope the Steelers do well this season, ’cause it is not pretty around here when they don’t. I am not a great sports fan, so have a tendency to do my grocery shopping during the time they play. The store is empty, but with the football game blasting over the loudspeaker.
            You really have to live here to get the full flavor of it. Kind of like living in a very small town out in the middle of nowhere and where the Friday night high school football game is the biggest deal of the week. Like when you were in Junior High School.
            I’m gonna tell you, the Syrians could have just gassed 90% of their population and the headline of the local news broadcast would be that Ben Roesthlesburger (sp?) passed gas. And the next 15 minutes of the broadcast would be devoted to speculation about what MADE him pass gas. (And I kid you not!)
            I think the Cof$ tried to come into town here some years back. I really don’t know if any are still around here or not. But what I do know that a typical Pittsburgh response to COF$ would be:
            “Whadda, yinz guys CRAZY????”

            • Eclipse-girl

              I live in Wis. Packers take over from Aug til Dec. Shopping during the game is so pleasant.

            • Robert Eckert

              I moved to Pittsburgh for a while during Jan. 1980. The Steelers won the Super Bowl for the first time in ages and I was amused to go out in the snowy evening checking out all the noise and celebrations, seeing a housewife in fuzzy bathrobe and slippers banging two garbage can lids together.

        • Larry Moore

          Hi Deeana, sorry to hear about your living in Pittsburgh, but we have room for you out here in the San Francisco area if you ever decide move. smile. Go 49ers.
          Glad you are part of the Underground Bunker Nation (ok, community). Welcome. You are sure to find Tony’s work second to none where exposing Scientology is concerned.
          Enjoy.

    • DamOTclese2

      Greetings, Deeana! It’s great seeing familiar faces — um, familiar names I mean — checking in to The Bunker. Tony’s journalism remains polite and professional, and even extremist idiots such as myself can at times learn from that example. :)

  • nottrue

    This blog on the fringe my ass. Were down town baby

    • kemist

      Ah, yes, the “fringe”.

      Tell that to the guys who are trying to keep this server up today.

      I do hope they were warned that there might be a, erm, slight increase in traffic.

    • kemist

      Ah, yes, the “fringe”.

      Tell that to the guys who are trying to keep this server up today.

      I do hope they were warned that there might be a, erm, slight increase in traffic.

  • Seannie5

    can someone explain to me how scientology can regulate what their members look at on the internet? Do sci’s lie in sec checks when asked if they have read anything bad about it? I was raised Catholic and when I went to confession when asked what sins I committed I made shit up just to get it over with! Do sci’s do this or are they all deadly serious about it? I ask because it seems so bizaare to me that sci’s can’t read blogs like this and have their eyes opened, or at least start to question certain practices and a hell of a lot of them must be sick of giving a good chunk of their $ away to them year after year.

    • Robert Eckert

      They have a thing called the “net nanny”, an app that sits on their computer like the parental-control censors that are supposed to keep your kids away from porno.

      • stateofcircle

        DO we have any confirmation that this is still in existence? I know they gave out those CD’s years and years ago, but how do they implement it now? It must be some sort of download since CD’s are practically ancient now. I also wonder how they deal with smartphones and tablets?

        • Robert Eckert

          That’s an excellent question. Staying up-to-date with the latest technology hasn’t exactly been their strong suit.

          • stateofcircle

            You mean those telexes they just stopped using a few years ago weren’t cutting edge?

            • Semper Phi

              They stopped using them? I think my org was still using them when I left a year and a half ago…

            • HCO Chief

              Oh my word, the fricking telex. I used to use that in the 90’s to send in our stats on Thursdays and they were ancient then. So annoying. The only thing worse was the mimeo machine.

            • Nevermore

              I used to work with someone who could read the punch tape the telex could produce. We had to put legal faxes on to the tape and store it.

            • HCO Chief

              I hated Thursdays, never got to eat, too busy collecting stats from everyone at Saint Hill. Then straight into exec council all night, completing Battle Plan for the next week, getting home at 2 or 3am every week, raiding the kitchen for some cheese and bread.

        • shasha40

          ” CD’s are practically ancient now ..” could I interest you in a set of GAT 2: Electric Boogaloo, it’s all books , no CD’s or Mp3 format available . but we are a Modern church …

        • dagobarbz

          It is no longer in existence and the ‘Scientologists Online’ program is moribund.

          • DamOTclese2

            Right, it went obsolete about the time that the silly dolts tried to spam Google with their cookie-cutter “our house” web pages, over 50,000 duplicate copies of web pages supposedly of “members” with names pulling from the phone book, only a few hundred of which were real people, real customers. The cookie-cutter pages disappeared eventually, around the time the “Scino-Sitter” software was obsoleted.

      • dagobarbz

        Had, dude. That is old, like 1990s old.

    • Eclipse-girl

      They used to have a software blocker that was installed on their computer. Tory Christman had to have that removed when she started going on the the internet in the late 1990s to battle the SPs, and anti – $cientologists. Then she met some really nice people who changed her.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      and they are terrified that if they step off path in any way, they could jeopardize their chance for spiritual immortality forever. Sort of like believing in Hell. It is a big club to keep them in line and not thinking for themselves.

      • Seannie5

        jeez. How do parents with 5 or 6 kids and regular jobs that just about cover bills afford to do these courses and get their kids xenu’d up? When I see the cost of being a Sci I wonder how on earth people can afford it. Not all of them are rich!

        • Nevermore

          Credit cards, second mortgages, use their kids’ college funds, do 2 or 3 jobs…

          • Seannie5

            :(

            • Eclipse-girl

              It is VERY SAD

          • Minion Gayle

            Sign their kids up for Sea Org so they’re no longer spending money that could be better donated to the {church}.

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            I knew a guy in the early ’70s that inherited around $60,000 from his grandma. pffft… gone.

          • Mrs Libnish

            Enter Banktrupcy, Divorce, Suicide and sometimes Murder.

          • Mrs Libnish

            Enter Banktrupcy, Divorce, Suicide and sometimes Murder.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Didn’t you know that children are not encouraged if you are a $ci-lon?

          • Seannie5

            only in the sea org though… right?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Sea Org forces abortions onto its people. But reg $cientologists are supposed to pay for their courses , and find time to study.

              Having had only one child I don’t know how they could do it.

            • Seannie5

              were you in Scientology?

            • Eclipse-girl

              NO NO NO. I am a never in. I have tried to get up to speed by asking questions, watching vids, and reading books.

              As you go up the bridge, it is expensive. If you read the series that Tony has done with Claire Headley ( an ex – sci) a person has spent at least 127,000.00 and they are not even clear.

              Raising a child is expensive. I would never want to be a person who jeopardized their child because they had to pay $ to $cientology.

            • Seannie5

              yeah, I’ve never even met a scientologist (that I know of) but I’m trying to understand it and the more I do the more confused I get. Reading how Jenna Miscavige only saw her parents a couple of times over her childhood was so heartbreaking to me. Any sci who stops me on the street asking me to do a ‘personality test’ will rue the day!
              I do find it hard to understand how people get sucked into it. It just seems SO ludacris.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It is ludicrous when you still have the ability to think critically.

              Read through the (on going) series the that Claire and Tony are doing.

              Auditing is similar to talk therapy. Other parts are hypnotic and train you take orders. Then add the lovebombing that could (does) occur and a vulnerable person and its a perfect shitstorm

              I have empathy for the victims of the cult. Most of these people are really nice and concerned for others. The cult plays on that concern as a trap.

            • Seannie5

              yeah I do have sympathy for them, especially when families are torn apart because of it. I will read that series. I basically think Sci is a bunch of crap from it’s fingers to it’s toes but people can believe what they want as long as it isn’t hurting others. I have so much respect for Leah Remini.

            • Eclipse-girl

              As do I. I am in utter amazement that her extended family all left together.

            • stateofcircle

              Most people find it hard to understand how people get sucked in, and most people also make the mistake of thinking they could never possibly fall for it, or only stupid people are vulnerable. A few things to remember are that a majority of the members are from the 70’s, when they were young and wanted to save the world and found a seemingly cool group of people trying to do just that (and I would imagine the giant boat thing was a pretty big lure as well). They found great camaraderie with each other, it was still new so the amount of atrocities hadn’t been so vast just yet, there was no internet to tell them that Hubbard was a fraud or that his technology was plagiarized, there weren’t nearly as many, more effective and proven methods of self-help/therapy, and they were young and naive and wanted to do something different and find a different way of thinking. Some of those members that stayed had children, which account for most of the other membership. Those who joined in the 80’s and 90’s – and remember, the internet still wasn’t around, and even in the mid-to-late 90’s it wasn’t even close to what it is now in terms of scope and accessibility – also thought they found something that would have a real and positive impact in their lives. You have to realize that, especially back then before everyone knew everything care of google and wikipedia, a person’s introduction to Scientology was usually an incredibly positive and impactful experience: besides the personality test, which, again, was much easier to fall for pre-internet, was really effective at making people feel as thought they NEEDED Scientology. The first few courses a new person takes, such as the communication course, really can and does help people find some of their weaknesses and inspire them to make positive changes. This has been said by countless people who have done it, and even though I was never in, in reading through the materials and hearing people’s experiences, I can definitely see it. So a person takes 2 or 3 courses at pretty reasonable prices, they have several “WOW” moments in terms of making themselves happier and more confident, and they think that if they are getting all these great benefits out of this little bit, there really must be something to this Scientology thing and if they keep going it will only get better. They will only get better, and happier, and more confident, more productive, healthier, successful. You also must realize that a person participating in these introductory courses is slowly being indoctrinated and hypnotized, so their critical thinking ability gets slowly and progressively weaker. On top of that, they are being love-bombed by seemingly (or actually) smart and kind people who really care about them, making them feel like they belong. And who doesn’t want to belong? Everyone craves that feeling, no matter how strong you are. And chances are, if you’re walking into a Scientology org to begin with, you are looking for SOMETHING. I’m not saying they are desperate in any sense, just that they could be seeking something different, something positive, something to be a part of, or any number of things. It is actually a pretty genius system.

              Now, as far as I’m concerned, anyone who joins now is on their own. Unless you live in an extremely under developed country with no internet access, or reside in your own person bunker cut off from the rest of the world, there is no excuse. Anyone who commits to anything without doing their research and fully understand what they are getting themselves into deserve to make a huge mistake with which to learn from, and if a person somehow – God only know how, though – DOES do their research – extensively – and really, truly and fully understand what they are doing and decide it is the right thing for them, well…that’s their choice, I accept that, and they are on their own.

            • Seannie5

              were you in Scientology?

          • stateofcircle

            I’ve said this many time before, but this is one of the biggest things that absolutely baffles me about them. As a relatively new organization with few members to begin with, you have a practically built-in membership with children born to Scientology parents. Their membership numbers could grow exponentially – it is virtually guaranteed! On top of that, the children would be indoctrinated since birth, so they would be a Scientologist to the core! I mean, don’t get me wrong, the less Sciloons the better, and I wouldn’t wish it on any child so I’m glad Miscavige is a foot-bulleted idiotic moron, but the absolute stupidity of this policy is just beyond.

            • Nevermore

              I’ve always believed that’s why the Catholic church preaches against contraception – they want believers to breed the next generation – but then, I’ve never been in a parish where we were used as a slave labour force, which would be reduced by pregnancies..

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know. Most new religions want the next generation. I can only think of the Shakers who did this to themselves.

            • Deeana

              Oh, you know about the Shakers! Their doctrine was NO sex. None, zip, nada!
              Small, weird religious sects are nothing new in this country. Remember, Pennsylvania – founded by William Penn – was the “mecca” for ALL the “off line” religions back in the day. The “day” being the late 1600s and early 1700s.
              The new Colonies were British, meaning the Anglican church predominated. (Henry VIII, anyone?) And “church” meant a whole lot more then than it does now. You know, before radio, TV, internet, facebook, tweeting, etc.? (Imagine if Thomas Jefferson could tweet? Oh, so sorry, today we have Kirstie Alley.)
              William Penn said he would guarantee “religious freedom” to anyone who wanted to come and settle on his land grant from the King. And what he got was everybody who was being persecuted for their beliefs. Quakers. Amish. Mennonites. Moravians. Lutherans. Presbyterians.
              A hundred or so years later – just go read the history – there was a new “religious awakening” movement afoot in the U.S.. The con man Joseph Smith of upper New York state fame (he was a “digger” – look that one up) started his “new religion” of Mormonism a century before L. Ron Hubbard started his. ( I don’t care what Mormonism is actually called and I don’t care that What’s-his-name Romney is one of them. And yes, I know the proper name for the “church” and sometimes I wonder how Ann’s health is nowadays. Hope she is riding her horses in good health.)

              I will not even get into the history of Mormonism other than to suggest that any of you who have not done so, go ahead and start to educate yourself in other “weird religions”. (MY term). I think it might help you to put things into perspective. But, lordy, lordy, I just love reading about Joseph Smith sticking his face down into his hat in order to come up with his “prophesies”. And you think accepting the ramblings of L. Ron was weird? Hah!

              I am going to stop here. Oh, but look up just one more thing. Sidney Rigdon. The right hand man to Joseph Smith. Until Smith tried to seduce Rigdon’s teenage daughter into becoming one of his pleural wives. Sidney got the ass over the whole thing. And he and Brigham Young then fought it out over who was to succeed Smith. Brigham won and became the David Miscavige of his day. He ended up with something like 82 wives!

              Folks, take the break time here to educate yourself about “religion”. It’s a hoot!

            • Eclipse-girl

              L Ron and Joe Smith were both con men. He probably saw the existence of the LDS as one more reason to believe he could start a religion.

              I think you will make a wonderful addition to the bunker.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              There is one major difference between David Miscavige and Brigham Young. Brigham took a smallish band of demoralized co-religionists with limited resources and built up a large, powerful, and financially viable religious movement. Miscavige, on the other hand,… didn’t.

    • HCO Chief

      Most wont read these sites because they’ll get caught on the sec checks, slow their “case gain”, pay money to handle whatever they read and they are basically in fear.

    • Sid_Sn

      There are a LOT of Scientologist lurkers who read these blogs and other sites.

      There are also Scientologists who would not read anything “entheta” for several reasons. 1 – They might believe it actually harms them. 2 – They might get found out somehow – in which case it’s BIG trouble and BIG expense to fix. 3 – They might believe what LRH said about journalists being merchants of chaos and therefore you can’t believe it anyway.

      • Seannie5

        “1 – They might believe it actually harms them.”

        that’s just sad and mind boggling in equal measure. So when they are watching the Golden Globes and Ricky Gervais jokes about gay scientologists what do they think? Is Ricky Gervais films/tv automatically banned from all their homes?
        I noticed that Kathy Griffith who often makes huge fun of Sci is guest starring on Kirstie Alley’s new show. I wonder how on earth that unfolded!

    • Where’s Shelly?

      They have issued web-blocking software, kind of like Scieno-Sitter, to the various clams. This was in the past, it included software for those asinine cookie cutter websites you used to see, with tidbits like “favorite L. Ron Hubbard quote.” I don’t know if it’s still used, that was awhile ago. I think they have to be more on their honor now.

  • Tim Hallinan

    This is phenomenal coverage. What an amazing job you’re doing.

  • Kim
    • i-Betty

      Thanks, Kim :)

    • Graham

      Wow! That judge really does look like Ricky Gervais.

  • Observer

    Oh, and just because I can:

    • http://BareFacedMessiah.wordpress.com/ BareFacedMessiah

      Baron Münchhausen?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Love you Obs!

    • George Layton

      Somehow he looks taller sitting down?

    • media_lush

      I see yours and raise you one I did ages ago….

      • Observer

        Hahaha!

      • Observer

        Hahaha!

      • GlibWog

        hahahahhaah I’m going to call it a draw.. but I’ll tell you Lush.. Will Smith’s ears may just take it..

  • Kevin Tighe

    Tampa Times now:

    • Victoria Pandora

      my god, he really does look like ricky.

    • Artoo45

      They call criticism of the cult “hate-filled and acid.” Pretty much everyone else calls criticism of the cult “facts.”

    • Artoo45

      They call criticism of the cult “hate-filled and acid.” Pretty much everyone else calls criticism of the cult “facts.”

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Judge Waldrip does look a lot like Gervais, but the other hilarious thing is just how puzzled he looks in that photo. Seems like the reaction he SHOULD have to the opening statements he heard.

      • kemist

        How appropriate.

        I’d like to think of this as little Davey’s rickroll.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          lol, right. How can we make that happen? What is a link DM would actually click on

          • Rita Gregory

            This one! He has to know what’s going on and Tony has the scoop!

  • Snippy_X

    A few questions about the banker’s boxes.

    Who ordered the minions to print out all of the pages in Marty’s blog, I wonder.

    What size font did they use? Was it the lawyers, or are these Scientology’s own files?

    Where did they send the receipts for all that printer paper and ink cartridges.

    Was this all done this week for the trial, or had Scientology been building this library over time?

    And another question; if Scientology knows the only Truth there is, can they really copyright it?

    One cannot copyright facts, so how could anyone copyright Truth? How does that work?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      They got the paper from all the trees they killed lately?

      OK, maybe not.

      • i-Betty

        Ha!

        Although I could cry for those beautiful, healthy trees. We have a dozen English oaks at the bottom of my road which were planted 800 years ago to commemorate something to do with the king, and the thought that someone would cut them down because ‘they’re in the way’…

        • Eclipse-girl

          No killing of old growth trees. We have enough fast growing trees that are planted for this stuff.

          • i-Betty

            Exactly, and the thought that they cut them down to make way for that dreadful tent makes me want to kick something :(

            • Nevermore

              Or someone…

            • Eclipse-girl

              i-Betty, you are too nice to people. It makes me want to take one of those damn machines in CW and destroy the silver monstrosity

            • i-Betty

              I’ll help you :)

        • Eclipse-girl

          No killing of old growth trees. We have enough fast growing trees that are planted for this stuff.

      • Victoria Pandora

        well, that does explain the murder of those two oak trees!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Don’t get me started! I just christened my Dali wine glass!

        • Eclipse-girl

          That sounds like a very interesting wine glass

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            So far, I am lovin it!

            http://i40.tinypic.com/j8hzpj.jpg

            • Anonymookme

              ooooh. That’s Purdy! I think I need one.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Dali was a merchandiser. The Dali Museum has an online shop. I have to say, a lot of cool stuff, not the usual.

            • Anonymookme

              thank you! I’m going to the online Dali Museum pronto!

            • Krista

              Oh wow, I bet wine tastes amazing from a glass like that!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Where did you find it?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist
            • Eclipse-girl

              I was at the Dali Museum, in Figueres Spain

              No glass ware way back then

        • Eclipse-girl

          That sounds like a very interesting wine glass

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Are things melting yet?….. Room getting a little off-kilter, hmmmmm? Colors a little too bright maybe?….

          Read this in the “Stewie” voice from Family Guy….

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Not yet, but I swear the wine is smooooooooooooother. Oh wait.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Are things melting yet?….. Room getting a little off-kilter, hmmmmm? Colors a little too bright maybe?….

          Read this in the “Stewie” voice from Family Guy….

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          So did you break a little tiny boat against it? Would that be right. or a tiny champaign bottle?

    • ze moo

      You have to do ‘work’ for ‘billable hours’.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Is that true for Lawyers?

        • ze moo

          I think it applies to everyone. Lawyers just have a different definition of ‘work’.

        • ze moo

          I think it applies to everyone. Lawyers just have a different definition of ‘work’.

      • DamOTclese2

        Some of the non-captive lawyers in this fiasco without a doubt required full payment up front, before actual work began.

      • DamOTclese2

        Some of the non-captive lawyers in this fiasco without a doubt required full payment up front, before actual work began.

    • Victoria Pandora

      oh come on, stop making sense;)

    • DamOTclese2

      Snippy, the Scientology dingbats literally printed out every alt.religion.scientology newsgroup posting to paper, and retained electronic copies which they spread from office to office via their Gilman microwave links. We got some of that on OSCAR sniffers way back when, the clowns were literally shipping copies of a.r.s postings on paper and electronically around the world.

      • Snippy_X

        Honestly, I can’t stop giggling! :)

    • stateofcircle

      This is great, Snippy.

  • Kevin Tighe

    More:

    • DamOTclese2

      Love this. However it makes me worry a bit about tomorrow as news gets out, local citizens will want to flood in to the court room, making it somewhat difficult for observers with cred to find seats, maybe.

      • Victoria

        I’m not so sure about locals flooding in. As a local, I can tell you that most people here are generally nonplussed about Scientology.

        • DamOTclese2

          Humm… Well yeah, you may be right. Tomorrow should be interesting but then it’s a work day for most so maybe yeah, maybe they won’t get flooded. If so, it’ll only be people who take the day off from work or people who don’t have jobs. :)

    • 0tessa

      Brave woman!

    • elar aitch

      Great work on the comments Kevin

  • Narapoid

    I have never posted anywhere at any time on the web, this is the first.

    I was very involved decades ago, and haven’t really researched the CO$ since I went online. Then in June I really started in and OH MY GOD! I have gone through tons out-of-sequence videos on yt and articles (25 people destroying on VV etc.) and was blown away.

    Miscavige’s beatings (NO WAY!), Poor Lisa and Bob Minton, Disconnection and the sickening abuse of SO members. Anonymous and the kickass protests of 2008, And then Leah blew! In the first 3 weeks of my looking!
    Tory magoo, Wise beard Man and of course my morning catch up right here on the Bunker….I cannot stop reading/watching.

    My friends have told me to knock it off with the Scientology crap already.

    Because of the years (and thousands of $) whilst in I get the lingo, concepts.

    What I am most grateful for is that I have missed those years of pain and frustration watching the SOB of RTC wreck with seeming impunity.

    • Johan

      Well congrats on your escape and condolences for tumbling down the rabbit hole….

      • Narapoid

        I got out in time, and dodged a fat bullet.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wow. You picked one helluva day to drop in. Welcome. It is a bit of a shock! That’s understatement.

      • Narapoid

        I have been looking for the last 3 months, but on the Bunker before coffee everyday for the last month. THE DAY is when the little monster is walking into the Texas courtroom. I may have to take vacation time…

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome! :)

      • Narapoid

        Thank you;D

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome! Glad you have decided to speak up. The more the merrier.

      • Narapoid

        I just hope we don’t melt Tony’s server…

    • i-Betty

      A huge welcome, Narapoid, and a *hug* for being brave enough to speak out now :)

      I hope you stick around xxx

    • Krista

      Welcome, this is my first day as a commenter as well, we’re all coming out of the woodwork!

      • Narapoid

        Thank you Krista, this waiting is excruciating! The more the merrier. This is a good day to give Tony some more talking cred.
        Man I hope Mosey gets the cruel little monster on the stand. Though I do not think this scene is what she thought she would see when she made Marty her groom…

    • WildaBeast

      Welcome! Glad to have you here. Also good to know that you’re doing the research into what’s been going on behind the scenes in Scientology for so long. Unfortunately, I can only wish you best of luck in ever getting of the rabbit hole again. But don’t worry, you’ll be in good company!

    • dagobarbz

      “SOB of RTC.” I like that. I am so stealing it! :)

    • Sid_Sn

      Welcome. My wife tells me to knock it off with the Scientology crap every single day. She thinks I’m obsessed. It’s so annoying – I have no-one to talk to about it :-(

      • Narapoid

        Yep, I don’t have anyone to talk about it with either. I KNOW I’m obsessed.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        My wife was kind of alarmed by my interest, until she started binge viewing Tory Magoo’s YouTube videos. Now she is about as gung-ho as I am. Just today she was reading this blog, looked over at me and said, “Are you… Douglas D. Douglas?”

    • DamOTclese2

      Greetings! And welcome. Much of the Robert Minton materials is available once again on line at http://www.nots.org/

      • Narapoid

        Thank you and for your other posts I have Lurked

    • Orglodyte

      Welcome! Scientology-watching is my TV.

      • Narapoid

        You said it! This is the freshest dirt right here!

    • GlibWog

      haha.. Ahhhhhhhhh the Obsession.. We all know all too painfully ( ha) Once it grabs hold of you.. that’s it..
      Welcome Narapoid Glibby

  • Minion Gayle

    Does anyone else have the Bunker open in two windows? One to keep track of the comments here and one to check obsessively for new post from Tony?

    • Ruby

      guilty. :)

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I see you are thoroughly Bunkered In with the latest tech breakthroughs….

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I have the Tampa Bay Times open, checking comments, and a third on florida weather radar.

      • Nevermore

        No sign of a hurricane then?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Not supposed to hit any land mass. However. really weird that there’s not been any hurricanes until now given how excessively hot it is in many areas (hurricanes form to cool things down…nature’s way). Only other time it was like this was Hurricane Andrew. So I keep a close eye out starting now. They can come up very fast.

          • Minion Gayle

            For your sake, I hope it stays far away, but damn wouldn’t I love a strategic strike to take out the Stupor Powers building. Like a bolt from Xenu, BAM! the building was ripped up and carried out to sea.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              The regular summer storms here can be wicked with gusts at tropical storm strength, even Hurr 1, plus end of the world lightning and dumping sideways rain. Also waterspouts. They are very localized though, so that would do it.

            • Mrs Libnish

              Strong enough to knock over that ugly ass tent?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yeppers, if it hits it just right. flimsy vinyl, and lots of metal posts.

      • Minion Gayle

        The comments at the Tampa Bay times are pretty entertaining as well.

      • Sandy

        You guys DO have some weather going on today…

        http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/southeast_loop.php

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Moving to the “other coast”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I have the Tampa Bay Times open, checking comments, and a third on florida weather radar.

    • stateofcircle

      No, but thanks for the sweet tip!

      • Minion Gayle

        You’re welcome! Wouldn’t want anyone to miss out when Tony finally gets a chance to update.

        • Sibs

          I figure somebody on this thread will say something if Tony updates.

          • Minion Gayle

            Yes, but I miss it in all the comments. *reaching for paperbag*

            • Sibs

              True, I keep clicking back and forth whenever Disqus says there are new comments (not even bothering to try to scroll all the way down to the comments before I got on… at this point I think that’s a lost cause) but it’s really hard to keep up today.

    • Miss Tia

      I do!! :)

    • Krista

      Good call! *quickly opens up new window*

  • El Con Blubbard

    Anyone have an update? This has been an exciting day – many of us are tuned in here out in EsPeesville – waiting with baited breath!! I have not been this excited since Katie Holmes kicked Tom Cruise to the curb…and before that – Debbie Cook’s deposition going viral!!

  • Mark

    • DamOTclese2

      Look at all that money Tom Cruise has to shovel out. Amazing.

  • Suppressive Tomato

    Now available from Gold – Quantum Mark VII “Orthodoxy Edition” e-Meter

    • Nevermore

      Those ‘cans’ look a bit,,,,unorthodox…

    • Johan

      Don’t forget the “orthodoxy” edition surveillance cameras. On sale soon!

    • Mark

      Well, I’m not buying one – it’s not colour-co-ordinated.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        You can always Bedazzle it…

        • Minion Gayle

          *wiping Go Girl off keyboard* How am I going to explain that one to IT?

          • Suppressive Tomato

            You mean the energy drink and not the pee-standing-up device, right?

            • Minion Gayle

              LMAO! Yes, I mean the energy drink. Although I could probably use the other (thanks to the former) right about now.

        • Mark

          Good grief, Douglas! Isn’t it vulgar enough already, without added rhinestones? Cerulean blue does not go with burnt umber.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You’re creative. Make it work!

        • elar aitch

          …weeping…..tears….of….laughter

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I’m not sure you are going to be able to clean the ‘dirty needle’ very easily.

        • Suppressive Tomato

          Talk about a rock slam!

  • Steven

    My finger is deformed from hitting “refresh” every few seconds…. :)

    • Mark

      You can get free auto-update/reload add-ons for Chrome & Firefox. Not sure about Snoresplorer, tho’…

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    So… did I miss anything while I’ve been out?

    All kidding aside, I was able to read all the updates and a lot of the 1400+ new posts while sitting in a government office waiting on an appointment. Dopey disqus would NOT let me log on to my account to post from my smart phone, so I had to wait until now to add my murmured “Wow!” to the chorus following the admission that yes, Monique Rathbun has been stalked and harassed, but it’s OK because it was in the interests of protecting the religious freedom of the CoS.

    Haven’t seen what everyone here has had to say today, so this may have already been brought up. I am reminded of a statement made back in 1977, not in a court of law, but certainly in the court of public opinion. Richard Nixon, to David Frost: “If the president does it, that means it’s not illegal.” Wrong then, wrong now; wrong in that context, wrong in this one.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I think you may be the first to bring up that great reference, but my little-ipad-that-could is struggling to browse through every comment. Milestone day for the Bunker, I’m sure.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      no, but I did get in the “I am Not a Crook” line. Like yours better.

  • monkeyknickers

    OMG WHAT’S HAPPENING

    They don’t give these people a bathroom break? Can’t Tony hit the can and type us SOMETHING while hiding in a stall?

    WE NEED TO KNOW.

    :))

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      We need to go lo tech and send in some carrier pigeons. Any of you ex’s from Texas got any?

      • monkeyknickers

        Well, I’m about 22 hours away up north but I DO have a catapult and a 4 year old with a relatively good attention span. Let’s slap a parachute and an iPad on her and see what happens!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          ordinarily I’d say maybe rethink. But this is no ordinary day!

          • monkeyknickers

            I JUST BOUGHT HER SHINY PRINCESS SHOES AT THE DOLLAR STORE SHE OWES ME.

    • loveisakillerandshesback

      Better not let him miss anything.

      • monkeyknickers

        No way! He can whisper annoyingly to that Tobin guy when he comes back to fill him in. Like an irritating date who uses the bathroom in the middle of the movie and comes back to ask you 800 hushed questions. And I KNOW he could totally crib from another journalist-y person. It’s only fifteen minutes! :)

        Oh Anthony, would that you had had a couple beers at lunch.

        :))

  • Martin Padfield

    OK, from an observer who was in the courtroom this afternoon:
    “If I were in a jury I’d be very sympathetic toward Mosey. Although she never broke down and cried, you could see the emotional upset. Made it very real. Wow, this girl has suffered a lot. They really did get into her head. And it has made her life almost unbearable for the last four years.
    “I think she did a very good job. You could tell she’s a very real person. None of it was pretentious, none of it was for show. I could tell she was not looking forward to cross-examination. Ray will jump up if they get too rough with her. She was not looking forward to it, I could tell.”
    2 minutes ago

    • Ruby

      thank you for that, Martin

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Thanks Martin for the update.

    • Rita Gregory

      Thanks Martin!

    • LillyPond LuLu

      Much Love to Mosey-Big Fat Ass Hugs! One Tough Girl.

    • Seannie5

      ” She was not looking forward to it, I could tell.”
      Who would be?! They will just go on a character assasination

    • greendragon

      I can understand her trepidation. It is difficult in any circumstance, but this is far from ordinary. Thankfully, she has an amazing attorney to back her, and all kinds of support from us!

    • WildaBeast

      Heeyyy, checkitout! Either someone had a finger slip, or Debbie Downvoter is here despite the fact that it’s after 2pm Thursday!
      Just in case it’s Debbie: Your doubts are valid. Start reading. Keep reading! Freeloader debt is not legally enforceable, and you can just BLOW! Call 1-800-X-SEA-ORG.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        May I add:

        All your stats are wrong!

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s probably a fat-finger.

    • Gabbyone

      I just don’t know how she was able to sleep last night. I hope that she gets a delicious dinner and some great sleep tonight so she’s ready for what is ahead. Most of all, I hope that she gets justice so that she’ll be able to sleep as soundly as she wants knowing that cameras are no longer outside tracking her every move.

  • Steven

    radaronline dot com has a post today about Tom Cruise’s old friend saying “he’s changed since being in Scientology”…short article but the more articles the better. And I think we should support radaronline for covering the cult. Hopefully they’ll keep it up if they know people are reading the stories, etc….ok, back to hitting “refresh!!!!”

    • media_lush

      it was elsewhere

  • Martin Padfield

    Her testimony included video of the Squirrelbusters, including the cackling woman. The judge is very deadpan, poker-faced. Very focused on this case not messing up his court calendar, which is very full. He is going to get this thing done with all due speed

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You’re there? Cackle woman and Squirrelbusters! oh my
      edit: Was she able to get in the problems with her work and income? Dildo (I’m not being smarty pants, this is important). k, tks

    • Nevermore

      I can only admire a man who can watch the Squirrelbusters and not laugh!

      • WildaBeast

        No kidding. Remind me, if I’m ever in Texas, not to play poker with this guy!

    • BananaSplits8

      “including the cackling woman.”

      Oh dear. If Joanne’s involvement with Squirrel Busters got her daughter out of RPF, I fear she’s going back in as we speak.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    For anyone who may be wondering why the lawyers would willfully throw the CSI under the bus just to protect Missy Miscavige, do bear this in mind. The most credulous, most “in” members of the CoS really believe that the COB IS Scientology. Therefore, protecting Little Miss at any and all cost is the same as KSW.

    It’s just good chicken.

  • Martin Padfield

    Streiber (counsel for CSI) did all the objecting this afternoon. Not a peep from the RTC/Miscavige counsel. Lots of “Hearsay!” objections, which the judge mostly overruled

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Martin,

      Thank you SO MUCH for the updates!

    • Mrs Libnish

      Thank you. I no longer feel the need to drink myself silly. For now.

    • WildaBeast

      AAAAHHH thank you!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This reminds me when I used to smoke and finally getting off a long flight and running to the smoking area and…aaaah

        • Espiando

          I still get that feeling every time I have a flight longer than an hour. You should have seen me after going Chicago -> Tokyo -> Guam. The moment I had that first puff, it was time to break out the cum face.

  • Martin Padfield

    courtesy of “Oaks Seven”

  • Martin Padfield

    they broke and went back in and now (I assume) Mosey’s being cross-examined by Streiber.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wow! wowowowowowowwow. Go Mosey!

      • WildaBeast

        If she’s being cross-examined, I’m going to start expending half my brainpower on thinking calming, courage-inducing thoughts her way.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Great…since you have That covered…i’m grabbing a sammich and a refill.

          • WildaBeast

            Done, and done! We can switch in an hour or so, maybe?

    • 0tessa

      May the force be with her.

      • Walter Mitty

        They force will be with her – always!

    • loveisakillerandshesback

      what do you mean by ‘they broke’?

      • 0tessa

        they had a break

      • WildaBeast

        Took a break, recessed. Now no longer recessed.

      • Eclipse-girl

        someone need to use the bathroom

    • Krista

      Wow, I actually feel nervous. Can’t wait till it’s all over, hope the judge has his head on straight.

    • KNMF

      thanks for chiming in

  • Larry Moore

    This just in……David Miscaviage bursts into the courtroom! Looks right at the judge and says “This trial is over! and you are headed to the RPF you f*cking moron, NOW!

    The court went eerily silent. The judge then screamed BAILIFFS GET THAT LITTLE TINY MAN IN CUFFS! Miscaviage ran into the center of his lawyers and fell to the floor in a fetal position….and then….

    ….oh wait…..damn….dozed off…..my bad. I’m awake now.

    Carry on.

    • loveisakillerandshesback

      Thanks for the update man, lol.

  • Staci

    I’ve been a Bunker lurker for quite some time now, but I felt COMPELLED to comment today. I’ve been glued to my computer, (sorry work!) and dancing in my chair, all the while clapping my hands and chanting, “Hercules!Hercules!Hercules!”. The fact that this injunction hearing is happening at all, is AMAZING. Go Mosey!! I’m not a lawyer, but I do have family in Texas. DM’s presumption that he can bring an army of suits and show this “backwater judge how we do things downtown”, was the…..wait, what do I hear? Oh yes, I heard the gorgeous sound of a nail in the coffin. Because by doing so, he vastly underestimated the Texas judicial system. Time will tell, but apparently, Davey didn’t get the TPS report that you don’t fuck with a Texas judge.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Welcome. we are all hoping for the Texas Justice that you describe.

      • Staci

        All kidding aside, I sincerely do as well. For Mosey and Marty, Mike and Christie, Marc and Claire and the thousands who have and are continuing to have their human rights violated and pockets picked by DM and his flying monkeys.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Yeah, I think you will find this a comfy place

          • GlibWog

            hahahahhaha… Ohhhhhhh Yeah… BRING ‘EM DOWN IN TEXAS..

            Oh I just thought of something..

            Bring ‘em down in Texas.. then Bring ‘em down for Taxes.. ( Get it!)

            • Eclipse-girl

              You are wonderful

            • GlibWog

              I know Eclipse.. Just so quick on the draw.. teeeeeeeeeeeee hhhhhhheeeeeee

    • Krista

      Welcome, long time lurker and first time commenter myself. Once you start, there’s no stopping!

      • GlibWog

        Hi Krista.. You are right.. You can say goodbye to your current life as you see it! ha.. It’s so much fun..

    • New Comment-or @ work

      that is what i wondered. isn’t the texas judicial system unlike the hollywood system here in california.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Welcome. Due to the vast numbers of lurkers coming out today, you will not be required to buy rounds or bushels of popcorn. And your first comment is spectacular and correct!

      • Staci

        I just gave you a virtual high-five!

        • GlibWog

          Oh fabulous.. Staci.. Crazy Crazy day to come on board… Bows to your first post..xo Glibby

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome! Great debut!

    • Sidney18511

      staci…that was a wonderful post and you MUST do moar!

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome! It’s a great day to post!

    • jmh

      Major props for working in an ‘Office Space’ reference into your first comment. Epic.

      • Krista

        I just noticed that myself, it’s awesome!

    • Robert Eckert

      It was never a good idea to mess with Texas judges

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjIc3qLPds

      • GlibWog

        hahahahahhaha Well that is 3:44 of my life that I will never get back…
        Hilaaaaaaaaaariousssssssssssss … ” Beano Loves his Lily Lantree”

  • Valkov

    In scientological terms, doesn’t throwing CSI under the bus put Miscavige and RTC in “Treason”? Kinda like that old saw from Vietnam War days, “We had to destroy the village in order to save it”?

    • InterestedObserver12

      Excellent point, Valkov. We should get out KRs to all EOs and MAAs post haste.

    • Jgg2012

      yes, Scientology makes about as much sense as the Vietnam War.

    • DamOTclese2

      David was already declared in a previous CommEv, so his crimes against Scientology after that incident are irrelevant. :)

    • Miss Tia

      If DM was a good $cientologist he’d go exile himself with his wife!!!

    • Vinay Agarwala

      That reminds me that “Scientology is destroying individuality in order to save it.”

      “They [thetans] are first and foremost themselves. There is evidently no Nirvana. It is the feeling that one will merge and lose his own individuality that restrains the thetan from attempting to remedy his lot.”

      .

    • Espiando

      Damn, it must be an interesting day when the Marty-worshipping section of the Indies shows up here, the home of the Anti-Ron Cult.

  • Qconsilience

    This is my first Bunker post…I have to say, this is the most interesting thing to happen since May 1950. I don’t know why more journalists aren’t covering it!

    • 0tessa

      Well, who knows, after today!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      love that post! what a great first post!

    • monkeyknickers

      Greetings! It’s an especially juicy day to post. Welcome. We’re all weird sci addicts, but you’ll dig it.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome! Always room for one more in the Bunker!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Welcome, Move over MonkeyKnickers so we can make space for one more.

      This is a great place for up to date info on $cientology.

      • Robert Eckert

        Q could sit in MonkeyKnickers lap except that at this stage I don’t think she has one!

        • Eclipse-girl

          not at about 6 months with twins.

          • Robert Eckert

            Closer to 7 months now?

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome! What a great day to post!

    • http://BareFacedMessiah.wordpress.com/ BareFacedMessiah

      Because you must be a guy like Tony Ortega. He is our hero! Unfortunately he is unique like Monique.
      There can be only one … said the highlander ;)

    • Studious Judious

      Welcome!

      • Qconsilience

        Wow, thanks for the greetings, all!

  • Orglodyte

    Does anyone else get the feeling that Miscavige is hiding bigger stuff than any of us knows about? After all, it’s always worse than you think, even when you know it’s worse than you think.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Good thought.

    • Krista

      It’s scary to know that you are probably right.

    • http://BareFacedMessiah.wordpress.com/ BareFacedMessiah

      Maybe …
      Who shot Flo Barnett down?

    • monkeyknickers

      I had that same thought. He’s a sociopathic megalomaniac with a billion dollar war chest. Which in this case prolly translates to: hideous asshole trick up his sleeve, the leathery little coward.

      • Nevermore

        Or sleekit wee bastart, as they say in my land!

        • monkeyknickers

          Or for short . . . . tha’ deck.

          :)

          ooohhhh I want to go to Scotland so badly. Isn’t there some weird useless native american awareness thing I can do in a university somewhere? I’d have a syllabus and everything.

          1) Be prepared for three generations of your family to live in the same house.
          2) Eat government cheese and butter and spam and bitch constantly about how gross it is. BECAUSE IT IS.

          3) Um . . . . . huh. Hmmm.

          Yeah ,so . . . . . I think that’s it. Then you take the whole class to a bar for some practical native american experience training.

          It’s a compact field of study, but surely there must be a niche for it in Scotland SOMEWHERE.

          • Nevermore

            The Government are spoiling our eating habits, trying to get us to eat 5 portions of fruit and veg a day, and stuff like that. We still like cheese, and butter and spam, mind you! Get yourself appointed some kind of nutritional expert, and you’ll be laughing!

            • monkeyknickers

              I’ll have to bring lots of jars of seal fat or something so I can pass myself off as exotic and thus guarantee my employ.

              Vegetables. OH PLEASE.

            • WildaBeast

              Vegetables are best consumed on a pizza. Such as the one I have to go pick up in 10 minutes. Is it sad that I’m seriously considering taking the laptop with so if the food’s not ready, I can keep caught up?

            • monkeyknickers

              God that sounds good. Do you have a good joynt? :)

      • Mark

        He’s leathery? I want him made into a handbag! NOW!

        • monkeyknickers

          Patience, young man. Patience. :)

          EDIT: Handbag??

          • Orglodyte

            Clutch purse.

            • monkeyknickers

              Wallet.

              :)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Coin purse.

          • Mark

            All right, maybe not a handbag, considering most of his over-sunbedded carcase is only fit for resoling boots. But a tiny wee drawstring coin-purse made from his SCROTUM!

    • HCO Chief

      You mean like how LRH’s Last Will changed the day before he died and Miscavige arranged for a quicky cremation before a proper inspection of the body could be done and then seized control of hundreds of millions through a coup d’état and then falsely imprisoned hundreds of execs and ordered countless abortions and broke up thousands of families and and and…

      • Orglodyte

        And that’s the stuff we know about!

  • Jo

    Losing the power of my droopy eyes, night folks

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      We’ll leave the light on for you.

  • Vinay Agarwala

    Miscavige seems to know that he can’t strike a deal with Marty. He will fight until the end.

    • KNMF

      Hope you’re right

    • Eclipse-girl

      remember the suit is brought by Monique. I do not think either of them want to settle. They want to see DM give testimony (or so I hope)

  • anonsparrow

    Monique Yingling and Kendrick Moxon!!

    Reminds of a movie: “The one thing about being in Scientology I could never stomach – all the dam vampires.”

    • VickiStubing

      Sparrow’s here! NOW the party has started!!

      • scnethics

        Agreed!

      • DamOTclese2

        Time for The Bunker to go clothing optional! Woo hoo! We may begin session!

        • Robert Eckert

          You mean it wasn’t before?

          • DamOTclese2

            Not until AnonSparrow showed up, nope! :)

            • Robert Eckert

              I’ve been seriously out-ethics then.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Waving! Sparrow! It’s another sign! Can you Believe this?

      • anonsparrow

        End Times for sure!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          For the record, your honor…

          I do NOT know anonsparrow.

          I do NOT care about anonsparrow.

          I am much too busy hosting the totally unofficial Bunker Southern SP Society beachside “conventions” which as you know has opened up new International headquarters, straight up and vertical expansion.

          • anonsparrow

            Oh you bad. You and your superior sign tech and fancy parties on the beach. (which I well recall and love :)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              :D I was NEVER there.

          • DamOTclese2

            “I am not working in collusion with AnonSparrow…” :) It’s a fucking conspiracy.

    • KNMF

      seems like they’re degrading into mosquitoes the last few years. It takes more and more of them to do a proper suck-job.

    • pronoia

      Yay! {waving}. So happy to see you here!!!!

    • aquaclara

      Hi, anonsparrow!! You must be enjoying every moment of this, too. Thank you for breaking in the lawyers on the other side of the cult fence.- I mean, our side! You are, well, LEGION.
      *waving happily*

    • Mrs Libnish

      Love your videos man.

    • Studious Judious

      glad you’re here sparrow!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      We aren’t worthy ….but we are happy!

  • TheLurkingHorror

    Wow! I can’t keep up with with the comments. Good luck to you, Mosey.

    • monkeyknickers

      Jesus me either and I swear to you I have NO idea how disqus even works to begin with. I just started pushing “post” :)

      • heuristically_inclined

        Me either! I had to work a few hours and now I’m trying to catch up and disqus isn’t cooperating! Damn thing!

        • Eclipse-girl

          It never works well for me

        • monkeyknickers

          I seriously don’t understand the stupid rules and it’s a deplorably icky program anyway.

          Let’s right a letter!! :)

  • Eclipse-girl

    We are almost at 2,500 and the update hasn’t happened.

    EDIT : got to 2500 before 6:00 eastern

  • Victoria Pandora

    oh just checking in. seems there is a pause. that simply means dinner won’t be as burned as i thought.
    but really, 4:56 texas time. any minute now. must…refresh…one…more…time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1595351463 Kirby Van Zandt

    Happy Happy Happy!

  • 0tessa

    I’m in me pyama’s but I cannot get myself to bed …

    • Krista

      I’m in bed clutching my laptop…don’t want to go to sleep yet though…

      • Ruby

        That was me at 4AM this morning, waiting for the party to start!

      • WildaBeast

        Also in bed, laptop in front of me. My bra is totally bugging me and I’m not able to stop looking at the screen long enough to take it off…

    • Jane

      Yep I WAS going to have an early night tonight but the atmosphere is irresistible!

  • heuristically_inclined

    If this goes to actual trial I’m going to have to go to Texas and be in the courtroom. This is just an injunction hearing and the suspense is killing me!! Patience has never been a virtue I have possessed!

  • Miss Tia

    5pm CST, surely the court should be ending around now??

    • DamOTclese2

      Depends upon the Judge. The Judge is said to have a tight schedule and may wish to get in as much testimony and presentation as possible today. Plus others have noted that dragging the dildo in to the mix might very well have captivated the Judge’s attention. :) To the point where he may wish to go overtime on this.

      • Seannie5

        Are they really going to admit to sending a dildo………….. cringing!

        • Nevermore

          I bet it’s a cheap one, not even a ‘rabbit’… ;-)

          • DamOTclese2

            Ah, I see that you are a connoisseur of dildos. :)

            • Nevermore

              Perhaps in my younger days….. :D

          • Seannie5

            I bet it’s the biggest size available. DM has to make up for his own shortcomings!!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Great taste in vibrators! Salute!

      • Miss Tia

        Yeah, you wouldn’t want to end testimony leaving a dildo hanging!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Although not as bad as leaving a participle hanging at the Bunk.

        • DamOTclese2

          ROFL! Leave that dildo dangling I think you meant.

          • Miss Tia

            Well, they ARE in Texas! ;-) but yes, dangling is much better!

        • ThetaBara

          Oh, it can take it.

  • SopranoAscends

    Found this pic on the San Antonio Express site. Marty cleans up good! Here is the link:
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/photo/Marty-Rathbun-second-from-left-talks-with-5177871.php

    • anonsparrow

      Oh hai Gary Soter! Heard you like having your picture taken! Punk.

      • johnny d

        Hey Sparrow ! It’s nice to know you’re still keeping tabs on the CULT and it’s “Legal Team”!!
        Popcorn and Caek !
        Fzappa007. Aka johnnyd. From DC , OSA you punks !!! Choke on this Moxon you fuck !!

  • Noni Mause
    • DamOTclese2

      Some of the comments on that — of which there are 39 — are rather informative. Good to check those comments also.

      • Nevermore

        I just called out someone who had posted the very same comment on the radio station website!

      • Krista

        Some of the comments are baffling, funny to see Scientologists speak up there, but stay away from here. Wonder what that means?

        • DamOTclese2

          I saw that, the denial that Scientology’s lawyer claimed that David does not know Marty — when the court transcript is damn well going to show exactly that.

          • ThetaBara

            Oh man, I can hardly wait for the actual transcript!

            • DamOTclese2

              The transcript is going to be epic, something to use in coming decades. I offered some cash to The Bunker fund to the cost of obtaining copies of the transcripts, the written record is going to be… EPIC.

        • elar aitch

          Popcorn whoever has to be trolling the Scientologists….too lulzy

      • Noni Mause

        You’re right. The comments section is very interesting. A couple of live scilons are defending Co$ and attacking this site. Fully entertaining.

        • DamOTclese2

          We should invite the poor clam to participate in the discussion here in The Bunker. :)

  • jmh

    Two turkey hotdogs, a bag of popcorn, two fruit roll-ups, and a cup of coffee. If Tony doesn’t update soon I fear my house might be bereft of a single crumb of food. On a side note… I really need some ice cream.

    Thank god I’m doing a triathlon on Sunday. It’ll burn this crap off.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Well, I’m lucky to be able to walk to the spa lounge, (back and foot thingy) but I just ordered a pizza. Do Not tell Bury. This is important.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Say wut?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Your honor, I did NOT order that pizza. I do NOT care about pizza. I am too busy at the Bunker blah blah blah

        • coonellie

          A ‘piazza’…you know for the next SP society meeting to spread out a bit, NOT a ‘pizza’. She forgot to word clear it first.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            thank you! (I’m saving a slice just for your defense)

      • WildaBeast

        Trying to talk the wife into ordering one right now…

        • ThetaBara

          Thank Xenu for leftover Mexican from last night!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Aren’t you glad this happened when you were tapering?

      • jmh

        YES!

        • Eclipse-girl

          Don’t worry. They do not hold court on Sunday. Good luck on your triathlon

          • jmh

            Ha. Yes, I’m aware there are no court proceedings held on Sundays. I may eat like a 4 year old and comment like a snarky teenager but I’m actually a 31 year old married mother. (And a former legal assistant) :D

          • jmh

            And thank you for the wish of good luck. I’ll need it. My first Tri!

            • Eclipse-girl

              PACE YOURSELF and good luck.

    • Krista

      Now I feel like food and it’s far too late for that!

  • pluvo

    Imagine how many people are watching here when there are already 2.500 comments.

    • Rita Gregory

      Lots of “guest” up arrows today!

  • Steven

    I can just imagine little Davey reading EVERY SINGLE post here…hello there David! How does it feel to be a laughing stock even more than before? Everyone say hello to Davey!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Too many words with more than 2 syllables. He’s probably still on the first page.

      • Steven

        haha! maybe even the first post…

      • ThetaBara

        Someone reads it to him. You don’t think he can personally view all of this entheta directly, do you?

        • DamOTclese2

          Can you imagine? Who ever reads it even in summary would get slapped for each comment posted here. Looks like today someone’s going to get slapped well over 3,000 times today.

          • ThetaBara

            I have to admit, I actually do feel concern for the underlings, especially those in the direct path of his abuse.
            Which reminds me, has anyone seen Laurisse recently?

      • noseinabk

        Thats ok, he doesnt need to read. Just check out all the great pics we have here Davey.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        That’s DM….he has to word clear vowels!

        • elar aitch

          “Dildo Dave” has four of them

    • WildaBeast

      All together now! Good morning, Davey!
      If you scroll down somewhat, you should encounter a list of descriptive terms that we here at the Bunker have created, just for you! Don’t forget to thank Missionary Kid for taking the trouble to compile them all!
      Please enjoy the rest of your day, and remember to get a good night’s sleep for tomorrow!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      He may not know how to use the Internet, but at least he has SO minions to print out all 2546 comments… and the refreshes…

      • Nevermore

        And all the pics and shoops – they’ll make lovely breakfast reading…

        • jmh

          Wishing Davey boy many many spittled coffee slurps during his delightful breakfast reading.

          • WildaBeast

            I’m picturing him freaking out and throwing his plate at the wall.

            • Steven

              Well…maybe only after he instructs someone to “Touch the wall””…

            • ThetaBara

              “PLATE! SMASH INTO THAT WALL!!!”
              (throws plate)
              “THANK YOU!!!”

            • Steven

              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! OMG…that’s the best post yet. :)

    • Nevermore

      Hello Davey!

  • Mary_McConnell

    This is the best, Tony… thanks for going the extra mile in getting us this information. Looking forward to reading your next update.

    Just in case someone didn’t mention this (and I am not going to read 2500 comments to find out ;p) but it’s too bad Ray Jeffrey didn’t interject and inform the court that former Guardians Office staff member Kendrick Moxon was an unindicted co-conspirator in Operation Snow White, lol

    http://www.kendrickmoxon.com/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Moxon

    • Aslansown

      How was he not disbarred for that??

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        He wasn’t a lawyer then. He went to law school in the early 80s, afterwards.

        • Aslansown

          Hmmm….I thought they also had to have some kind of moral character determination. Not sure he could have passed that.

    • Kim

      I had forgotten about that. Wow things are happening now not like before…. Ah the halcyon days of picketing in Toronto where there were more police officers than picketers! !

    • anonsparrow

      I’ll bet he pooped a little when Ray brought that up..lol.

      • Eclipse-girl

        do lawyers carry an extra pr of BVDs in their brief cases?

        • ThetaBara

          Depends!

      • Mary_McConnell

        :P

    • Ruby

      Fortunately, I am sure that someone will mention it to him if it has not been mentioned already. There is always tomorrow.

    • baddog5623
      • Mary_McConnell

        haha!! yes!

    • http://BareFacedMessiah.wordpress.com/ BareFacedMessiah
      • Mary_McConnell

        Moxon is always in on the big cases… Tory knows her stuff, lol

        • ThetaBara

          It just goes to show (just in case sending FIFTEEN attorneys to a preliminary hearing wasn’t enough to convince you) that Miss Cabbage is taking this all VERY seriously!

          Also, I have said this before and I’ll say it again, but as far as his attempts to dodge the subpoena: “Hiding” is -8 on the Tone Scale! It’s worse than being gay!

      • aquaclara

        Tory has the most beautiful smile.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Yes, she seems so fun. Maybe one day I will get to meet her. Maybe we can have a nationwide party for Mosey’s win, or DM’s imprisonment.

          • ThetaBara

            At least we can gather with our locals. I wish I could have made it to the West Coast SP fest but norcal and socal are farther apart than it seems (plus I found out at the last minute, and we already go away a lot on summer weekends). Maybe next year! Or maybe, for the Victory Party!

            • WildaBeast

              Okay. I has no monies, and my apartment is small, but I hereby propose the foundingof a Northern Chapter of the SP Society. The first meeting is to be held when Mosey wins the case, and the party will be EPIC.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Great! We could use the extra dues for snacks. You DO know about paying the Original chapter, right? Hey, I had to learn Something from my time in that I could use! Now how many memberships will that be and check, cash or charge?

            • WildaBeast

              Licensing fees, is it? What kind of money are we looking at?

    • aquaclara

      My jaw just dropped hearing this one. Can I just say that the memories and facts and knowledge shared by those who KNOW is one of the best things about being here? Every day, this stuff comes out. FACTS. After all those years of secrets.
      *dancing for joy*

    • Mrs Libnish

      He really does deserve an honorable mention for that, doesn’t he.

  • 1subgenius

    In case it hasn’t been posted, Marty and Mosey at court

    • mirele

      Lookin’ good–go #TeamMosey!

    • Seannie5

      Anyone else not seeing the pictures?

      • Sibs

        I’m not either. I wonder if it’s because I haven’t actually refreshed this page in a while (too busy clicking on “___ new comments above/below”)

        • Robert Eckert

          Yeah, yeah, try to get the # of new comments above and below both down to zero before you refresh so you read every single comment, and then refresh and scroll down page by page to load the whole thread so you are sure you see every picture… it’s a challenge today.

      • Eclipse-girl

        refresh the page.

    • aquaclara

      That was a beautiful song he posted on his blog yesterday, for her. Lovely. Mosey, in case you were wondering, there are in fact thousands of cheers here for you! Thousands. Stay strong, have a great night, and know that you did great today. We are with you!

    • ThetaBara

      Cannot upvote enough. Go, Mosey, GO!!!
      Let them try to postulate THIS away!

    • Studious Judious

      this is a beautiful picture of them. Marty, you done good boy!

    • aurora50
    • ze moo

      That is Mike Rinder.

      • 1subgenius

        No, Mike is not a black woman.

  • WildaBeast

    Can someone whose internet is better than mine let me know when the new post from Tony turns up? It’s taking me so long to get back to ‘home’ and then refresh that I don’t want to leave the page…

    • Ruby

      I have a feeling that Tony will probably let us all know.

      • WildaBeast

        Good point! Thank you both :-)

    • noseinabk

      Tony wil post it here if we dont catch it first.

    • ThetaBara

      Sign up for email updates. Then you’ll get an email with the link to the new post.

  • ThetaBara

    I’ve been thinking about the trial watch drinking game. I’m really not trying to give us all alcohol poisoning, I promise! So, no “drink for every footbullet” or every contradiction. You’re all right, it would be too much.

    So, how about this: drink (sip!) every time one of those schmoes perjures himself, every time they say the word “ecclesiastical” and, any time a fellow commenter snorts tea on their keyboard. ;-) You know once the dildo talk starts it is going to make you thirsty! So, also drink every time they say “dildo” (or “sex toy” or whatever they call the thing). When Miss Cabbage takes the stand, you have to drink your whole drink (but we ALL win)! When the judge hands down the verdict in Monique’s favor, drink your whole drink – or, crack the champagne!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am glad you are concerned about my liver. I have resisted drinking and will until the DH comes home.

      But I think we should just choose one option. I do want to survive this and see the demise of Co$, IAS and the imprisonment of DM

      • ThetaBara

        Make up any rules you like! Xenu knows, that’s what they do!
        Someone asked for a drinking game, and, juvenile though it may be, I actually really enjoy making up drinking games. There was a “Xenu’s Clambake” listing in this year’s Burning Man event guide, and one of the offerings was “Staring Contest Drinking Game – You Blink, You Drink!” SOO lulzy, I almost wish I could have been there for it. (I also noticed that Xenu’s Clambake was scheduled for 2pm on Thursday. Har!)

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think I will keep some champagne on hold.

    • http://BareFacedMessiah.wordpress.com/ BareFacedMessiah

      Do you know Bullshit Bingo?
      http://www.bullshitbingo.net/cards/bullshit/
      This is a great alternative!

    • Nevermore

      I’m off the booze for the forseeable future – I’m on Methotrexate for my arthritis. :(

    • DamOTclese2

      When the evidence is presented, I want to see Ray waving that floppy dildo in the Judge’s face. No cameras in the court room? That’s a damn shame, I’d pay $1 to see that whang shoved in the Judge’s face.

  • sizzle8

    If Miscavige’s lawyers are throwing CSI under the bus, then all the execs ‘in the Hole’ should be subpoenaed.

    • Eclipse-girl

      That would be good. Maybe Ray can force a mass subpoena and exodus of those in The Hole?

      • baddog5623

        Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that would be gooooooood

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        could we Please have photographers there to take their pictures for all to see?

        • Eclipse-girl

          Absolutely. we need evidence that they are alive and what treatment they have received over the YEARS.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            and also if they look like they just crawled out of a prison camp, but with makeup.

        • WildaBeast

          This! Hard to imagine more compelling evidence in Mosey’s favour.

        • aquaclara

          Look up top at new comments. I think there’s a troll, a rather obvious one.

      • Krista

        First time I read about The Hole, I had just read The Gulagelago and the similarities are uncanny. It really scared me actually…

        • Eclipse-girl

          It should

    • DamOTclese2

      It would be like a scene right out of Walking Dead.

    • D.Y.G.

      How many would perjure themselves to “protect the church”?

      • sizzle8

        Most. But if1one breaks, them watch out!

      • Eclipse-girl

        after years in the hole, would you perjure yourself?

        • D.Y.G.

          If I was brainwashed and threatened, maybe I would. I can’t say for certain.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I would hope that these poor victims realize they are victims and would accept a chance to leave if they had it.

            • D.Y.G.

              I would like to think they would too but I think many of them wouldn’t go because all they know is CoS, and the rest of the world is alien to them now.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Maybe if we had some old friends of theirs like Karen de la Carriere, or Tory Christman greet these victim>

  • Nick Overmyer

    Lotta new folks today! Awesome!

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    Just for fun, while we await an update, can we rundown the “if-this-were-a-movie” and who plays who?

    So far I have:

    Marty Rathbun: Bill Murray
    Monique Rathbun: Lauren Velez (LaGuerta from Dexter, sexy prison nurse from Oz)
    Mike Rinder: Super Dave Osbourne
    Judge Waldrip: Ricky Gervais
    Bert Deixler: random insurance salesman/realtor
    Monique Yingling: can we get that same glazed-over look on Caroline Kennedy? It’d be close.

    • DamOTclese2

      Anthony Weiner playing David Miscaviage. Somebody super perverted and creepy.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Jack Nicholson!

        • anonsparrow

          You can’t handle the truth!

          • DamOTclese2

            You don’t have the fing RANK! to question my dildo!

    • George Layton

      DM: TC

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        I was thinking that. It might be the first movie that TC doesn’t have to be shot to appear taller.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          even with Cruise, they will have to have him walk in a ditch to appear the right stature.

    • anonsparrow

      Moxon = Gollum (even sound the same)

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        I’ve always thought Moxon looked similar to Ohio senator Sherrod Brown. But I like Senator Brown so I didn’t want to go there

        • sugarplumfairy

          I think he looks like Beelzebub, but that’s just me..

      • Kevin Woolard

        Gollum? Yes, Andy Serkis for Dwarfenführer …

        • elar aitch

          He played a wonderful French baddie in Little Dorrit

    • kemist

      David Miscavidge : Verne Troyer

      • Miss Tia

        LOL!!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Aww c’mon.. Peter Dinklage is more his size..

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Yea, but just not enough EWWWWWW factor.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Peter is a great actor. I do not think DM should be played by anyone with acting ability.

        • kemist

          But I think Troyer’s portfolio is more relevant. He’s held a similar role before – well even if it was not quite as evil.

        • LaLa104

          Come on Peter is way too pretty to play McSlappy.. Verne fits perfectly.. LOL

        • MO Mom

          I do not want to sully my crush on Peter by imagining him in that part!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Gonna sound weird, but I would cast Michael J. Fox as Miscavige. Likable former child stars just eat up the chance to play someone really cruel and evil. Just build slightly overscaled sets and I think it would work…

    • Oopsy Daisy

      Can’t get over how much Waldrip looks like Ricky Gervais in today’s courtroom pic. It’s freaking me out.
      I still like Willem Dafoe (kneeling, bien sur.) for Miscavige. He does sinewy and revolting so well.
      I’m another long time lurker, first time poster. Off to make my debut Bunker donation. I’m at least going to buy Tony a few Texas size beers tonight! And that sandwich he had during the lunch break!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Welcome! Great to have you here!

  • BananaSplits8

    I suspect Tony is locked in the bathroom. Would someone please let him out.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I suspect that the court has not adjourned

      • WildaBeast

        Eeep! They’re running later than usual, then.

        • aquaclara

          Probably because fifteen cult lawyers keep interrupting things with pesky and rude comments.

          • WildaBeast

            Trudat. 15 of them tripping over each other to act like jerks…

            • aquaclara

              That’s it. Mostly out of town lawyers, too. Gee, that looks a little odd when this is a hearing to stop harassing someone. Imagine tomorrow.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Tomorrow they’ll have Bernie Madoff’s attorney show up. whoop

            • BananaSplits8

              Mwahaha, no billable food for you. One hour…

              *dead silence*

            • ze moo

              I thing the judge set up the rules for who could object for each defendant. There should ‘only’ be 5 or 6 who can object. Did you wonder why judges got paid so much?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Sounds like my family at Thanksgiving dinner. Hey wait…

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        And that is probably pissing off the CSI lawyers. They want this to end and regroup. Get smashed, more likely. They know by now this will not end well.

        • Miss Tia

          They might actually LIKE that it’s running late because they know when it ends there’s gonna be a VERY angry little man ranting and raving and screaming at them trying to beat them all up!!!

          • Eclipse-girl

            I would not want to be the person who has to call DM.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      He has to do that pesky typing thing. I wish we could just get a live skype thing.

      • Eclipse-girl

        We would all be talking over ourselves. This is better

  • mmn

    This exciting and on pins and needles waiting for the next update. Love this blog.

  • Sidney18511

    Does anyone have a clue why this judge would not allow filming in his courtroom today? My spidey sence tells me that scamology has to have their hands in there somehow. Do any locals know if this judge normally does this. And to not allow Mr. O to have his laptop open…..smells really clammy to me.

    • Robert Eckert

      The local court rules do not permit video or electronic equipment during testimony at any time. It is not up to the individual judge’s discretion and has nothing to do with this particular case.

    • Eclipse-girl

      it has been stated in the other 2500 comments that it was local rules.

    • DamOTclese2

      Sidney, this is fairly common for a lot of Judges and even for a lot of buildings, cameras, telephones, computers are not permitted as a matter of policy, either established by the building en mass else by the Judge per court room. Every Judge has their own way of doing things, some allow cameras, others do not.

      In this case, cameras were permitted early on, but when actual testimony from plaintiff began, the Judge asked that no cameras be used. So this judge permits cameras for some things, does not for other things.

      Some people have speculated that Scientology managed to get cameras banned, but that seems unlikely, the Judge ordered it himself. The Tampa Bay Tribune, the New York Times, and others are in the house, all of them have been banned with the Judge’s request.

      • anonsparrow

        Okay so I admit I haven’t read all 2500 some odd comments but is the NYT really there?!

        • DamOTclese2

          Yes, in the extensive comments the NYT has been posted in links, complete with an opening photograph showing 6 of the 15 Scientology lawyers huddled around the beleaguered Judge.

          • anonsparrow

            Wow.. that’s amazing. Thanks for that!

      • WildaBeast

        The New York Times is in there? Excellent…

        • DamOTclese2

          Yeah, well the NYT is covering the story with a lead photograph of 6 of the clam lawyers. I guess I assumed that they have a representative there but they may have bought a stringer’s photo.

      • Gerard Plourde

        It’s common in some jurisdictions to forbid cameras and any form of electronics in a courtroom. Here in Pennsylvania cell phones must be turned off and newspapers and other reading material is banned as well.

      • Tory Christman

        Having been in more than one courtroom with Scientology and Top Executives, I know from first hand some of their covert actions they will do to manipulate a courtroom. Of course they have people in their just to “Keep tract of the critics”. Someone sees Tony O typing, reports it back to OSA. They send this on to attorneys, attorneys to Judge. It’s time consuming….but they know *this* game. The one they do not IS the one that is right in their face, and will take them down, and it’s none of us. Tick Tock, “Dave”…care for a cream soda? :) Tory/Magoo~Your local, friendly SP!

        • Tory Christman

          correction: In there~ :)

  • Rachel Heidi

    This wait is torturous!

    • Miss Tia

      It truly is!

    • KNMF

      Just popped the top off a Shiner.
      What a fun day in The Bunker, and with more to come.

      • Nick Overmyer

        Good day for a Texas beer!

    • Krista

      I know, I am so tired! My laptop is running out of battery, so I will check later on my phone.

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  • Steven

    oooh, almost 3,000 comments! About as many as Scientology’s active members!

    • Narapoid

      You said it!

  • LaLa104

    The suspense is killing me!!!!!!!!

  • nottrue

    Mosey the Millionaire. Got a nice ring to it dont it

  • TonyOrtega

    NEW POST IS UP!!

    • KNMF

      Is that thunder, or the sound of 10,000 hitting refresh?

    • New Comment-or @ work

      WHERE

      • Mary_McConnell

        I don’t see it, either..

    • DamOTclese2

      Sweet! Antici… pation!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you Tony!!!

      • Tory Christman

        Me too: Thank you Tony O SO much for doing this. You are DaMan! I’m amazed they let you type in the courtroom. (I know eventually they stopped it—but good grief you got a TON out first :)
        This IS a nail-biter, if there ever was one. The good news is no matter what…there is no *real* “Winning” “in” $cientology. They are designed, by their own actions and policies, to lose….it’s only when. Tick Tock….as I’ve said a few times now. :) Love you ALL :) Tory/Magoo

  • Krista

    Update is here!!!

  • DamOTclese2
  • mmn

    am I missing something??!! i’m seeing comments of a new post but when I refresh I still am not seeing anything since 1:28pm!

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Holy shit balls Batman! On the verge of 2800 posts!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      HUGS!.Jumps up and down…OK…Like once!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Wild OR What?

    • SopranoAscends

      Somewhere yesterday I read up about the metrics for this site.I am greatly paraphrasing (the coffee hasn’t kicked in here in PDT), but the page ranking per Google is 5/10- 5 out of 10 possible points. But Alexa has more details here:

      http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/tonyortega.org#trafficstats

  • Illinoisian

    Regarding this entry from 12:33pm, above: ‘Strieber is saying that if he went out and started his own “Methodist” church, he couldn’t do so “without a visit from the actual Methodist church.”’

    From the web site of The Association of Independent Methodists:

    How are ‘Independent Methodists’ different from other Methodists?

    Technically, we are not a denomination; we are a voluntary association of otherwise-independent congregations that are doctrinally-Methodist.

    Does anybody here think that they got a visit from the Methodist Squirrel Busters?

    • SopranoAscends

      Bingo!

  • Tory Christman

    THANK YOU TONY O!! Thank you, Monique….man-oh-man! CSI Is under the bus….you go, girl :)

  • edge

    This is the best post ever Tony! Great work! It’s fun to see RTC and CSI contradict each other!

  • Theo Sismanides

    Thank you Tony O. This is amazingly presented, it’s like we were there. Now, that’s reporting!

  • Feather

    Scrum-bag Scientology lawyers.

  • Dorothy Gale

    SUPERB blogging by Mr. Ortega!!!

    Is it just me or does Bert Deixler rhyme with Dirk Diggler?

    Judge denials: DM: 1, Monique: 0.

    Ray is going for the “who”: Ray is using scientology against scientology: Yeah!!!

    Re: historical evidence, Ray should have named and implicated Kendrick Moxon, NOT Mary Sue Hubbard in Operation Snow White… but i forgive him :)

    Captain Miscavige… LOL!

  • http://scientology-blogger.com/ Peter

    I wonder how the court case will end. http://scientology-blogger.com/