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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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MONIQUE RATHBUN VS SCIENTOLOGY, DAY 2: Texas Showdown Shifts Gears

RathbunsTVGood morning from New Braunfels, Texas, where we will be providing a second consecutive morning of live-blogging from the Comal County courthouse.

Yesterday, Judge Dib Waldrip allowed opening statements and testimony in Monique Rathbun’s request to convert a temporary restraining order into a temporary injunction in her harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology.

But today, the temporary injunction hearing is being put on hold as the church’s motion to disqualify Monique’s attorney, Ray Jeffrey, becomes the focus.

Things are supposed to get going at 10 am local time today (11 am New York, 4 pm London, 8 am Los Angeles, 1 am Sydney), and as with yesterday’s session, we’ll be live from our laptop in the courtroom until testimony is put on, when Judge Waldrip requires no recording devices and we have to switch over to pen and paper.

We know that some folks are still a little unclear on the disqualify motion, so we’ll quickly recap how we got here today.

On August 16, Monique Rathbun filed her lawsuit against Scientology, and specifically against five defendants: the Church of Scientology International (CSI), the Religious Technology Center (RTC, the nominally controlling entity of Scientology), David Miscavige (RTC’s chairman of the board), Monty Drake (a Dallas private investigator), and Steven Gregory Sloat (a former deputy US Marshal).

Four days later, we got wind that the lawsuit had been filed, and we then broke the news about it. (We mention that because in court yesterday, CSI attorney Les Strieber accused Monique Rathbun of telling us about the suit so that we had a story up about it the day after it was filed. That didn’t happen, but we’re flattered that Strieber at least was under the impression that we were so lightning fast.)

Monique alleged in her lawsuit that because her husband, Mark “Marty” Rathbun, had begun in 2009 to criticize publicly his former boss, Miscavige, the church had then spent the last four years harassing the both of them, even though Monique, unlike her husband, had never been a member of the Church of Scientology.

When she filed the lawsuit, Monique was granted a temporary restraining order, which prevented the defendants from doing any further surveillance or harassment of her for the next 14 days, until a hearing could determine whether to replace the TRO with a temporary injunction. That TRO was extended, and a hearing for September 12th was set.

But then, David Miscavige and RTC filed “special appeareances,” arguing that the Texas court didn’t have jurisdiction over them, and requested to be dropped from the lawsuit. Miscavige attached to his special appearance a declaration in which he claimed that he had only a limited role in Scientology, and he had never done any business in Texas.

Monique’s side, however, was prepared for this, and soon fired back with an amended complaint. She added two more defendants — Dave Lubow (Scientology’s chief private investigator) and Ed Bryan (one of the “Squirrel Busters”) — and she attached an affidavit from her husband, Marty Rathbun, that was designed to impeach the testimony in Miscavige’s declaration. Miscavige, Marty alleged, did not have a limited role but in fact ruled every aspect of Scientology with an iron fist from his position as “captain” of the “Sea Org,” and had overseen and micromanaged numerous activities in Texas, contrary to what Miscavige had said in his declaration.

And it was clear from Ray Jeffrey’s opening statement yesterday that the crux of Monique’s argument in this case is that only David Miscavige has the authority in Scientology to have ordered and managed the four years of harassment that she has endured.

After Marty Rathbun’s affidavit was entered into the court record, on Monday CSI filed a motion to disqualify Monique’s attorneys, blaming them for filing Marty’s affidavit, which CSI says violates the church’s attorney-client privilege.

Marty Rathbun was a member of Scientology for 27 years, and for 17 of those years worked as Miscavige’s top lieutenant, overseeing the church’s legal strategies. It’s improper, the church says, for Marty to now reveal what he did in that role for the church, and by knowingly revealing that material, Ray Jeffrey and his team should be punished.

With the help of Manhattan attorney Scott Pilutik, we’ve already explained why we think this motion is fatally flawed. CSI cites previous cases involving attorneys switching firms and then divulging secret information of their previous employers. But Marty Rathbun is neither an attorney nor an employee of Ray Jeffrey — he’s a witness.

This morning, Judge Waldrip will be allowing the church’s attorneys to put on opening statements and testimony in their attempt to boot Jeffrey from the case. It should be entertaining, if nothing else.

But it does mean that the church has successfully derailed the temporary injunction hearing itself, and Ray Jeffrey may not get back to putting on more testimony about the harassment of his client for a week or even several more weeks. (In the meantime, however, the temporary restraining order does remain in place, so at least the church is under court order not to surveil Monique until a decision on the temporary injunction can be made.)

We hope this helps you understand where we are this morning. We’ll start live-blogging once we’re in place in the courtroom.

 
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LIVE-BLOGGING UPDATES WILL APPEAR HERE….

10:47 am

We’re back in place here in Judge Waldrip’s courtroom. He’s still wrapping up some other matters. Mike Bennitt has been here for a while, and he came up to us and said he was amazed watching Waldrip handle drug cases this morning. “He’s the most compassionate judge I’ve ever seen,” Mike said, and added, “Scientology is screwed.”

Well, that remains to be seen. So far only three members of Scientology’s team in the courtroom with us.

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10:52 am

Yesterday, Judge Waldrip indicated that he wanted to be done today by 3:30 pm, 4 pm at the latest, because he has some other matters he has to get to this afternoon. We got the feeling, particularly from Lamont Jefferson, the attorney for RTC/David Miscavige, that today’s entire session will be taken up by the disqualify motion.

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11:26 am

Obviously, we’re running a little late. The last drug case was finally concluded a moment ago. The parties for both sides are now getting into place. The judge has gone out of the courtroom. We should be proceeding fairly soon.

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11:32 am

Here we go… George Spencer, San Antonio attorney for CSI starting his opening statement.

Yesterday, George says, Ray Jeffrey made it clear that his purpose is to attack David Miscavige.

Now just two weeks ago, Aug 28, Miscavige’s attorney, Lamont Jefferson, filed special appearance for Miscavige, in that, Jefferson urged that while the plaintiff, Mrs. Rathbun, is of course entitled to her day in court…she must do so in California.

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11:36 am

Spencer now says that because Lamont Jefferson’s special appearance for Miscavige was such a fine piece of lawyering, Monique Rathbun and her attorney Ray Jeffrey were desperate and filed an affidavit by Marty Rathbun.

It was a desperate move, Spencer says…In their zeal to do whatever it takes to go after Miscavige, they jumped over an ethical line.

In his affidavit, Marty Rathbun sets out under oath how intimately involved he was with my client, CSI, and our co-defendant, RTC. For 20 years, Marty said, no legal matters occurred without his knowledge.

In an attempt to keep this case in Texas, Marty described the hiring of attorneys and described the supposed substance between himself as a legal affairs employee and attorneys.

Spencer now pauses to indicate that what Marty occurred between him and the attorneys was false. But that’s not the point here.

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11:39 am

It was impossible for Ray Jeffrey not to know that publishing that material was an unethical breach, Spencer is saying.

The course of action is clear, Spencer says — Monique’s attorneys should be dismissed.

Because of the length of his employment, Rathbun is considered to have been privy to confidential information. We would be here in a totally different situation if Monique’s attorneys had prevented Rathbun from revealing the confidential information that he had.

Spencer is well spoken, and he’s laying out this statement with strong emphasis in the right places. Judge Waldrip has his hand on his chin, and seems to be paying good attention.

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11:42 am

Texas Supreme Court case law requires disqualification, Spencer says. Waldrip just indicated that he has read the state supreme court case that they’re referring to.

“I take no joy in bringing this motion” — Spencer, quoting the standard Scientology playbook.

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11:45 am

Spencer just said this is the second time that he’s had to bring a motion like this against “these lawyers.”

Spencer, in other words, is trying to paint a picture that Ray Jeffrey is some kind of clown. Hey, Spence, then why did Ray clean the floor with you the last time?

Ray: “a highly offensive, dilatory tactic.”

Ooh. Ray’s got a very strong tone in his voice today. Not like yesterday.

“There’s no amusement here.” After a 30-year career, never having any accusation like this…it’s not amusing. “This motion is outrageous.”

We do intend to file a motion for sanctions, to punish them for this dilatory tactic.

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11:48 am

Motions to disqualify attorneys are the perfect tool for someone seeking a dilatory tactic.

The single most infamous client in the country for disqualify, dilatory motions is the Church of Scientology.

You notice they never get really very specific about the confidential material supposedly released in this unethical report.

Every fact in Marty Rathbun’s affidavit — which we were forced to file — did I receive, your honor, some confidential, privileged inforation that went into that affidavit? Everything in that affidavit I already knew. Your honor, it is all already in the public record. Every single word. And what is so disrespectful is that the church side…has 27 boxes of everything Marty Rathbun has ever written.

Ray just held up Going Clear by Lawrence Wright, Inside Scientology by Janet Reitman, books by Marty Rathbun — all of the information in Marty’s affidavit was already out there.

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11:51 am

Kendrick Moxon just scooted out of the courtroom. No idea.

Ray is saying that the crucial paragraphs in his affidavit — about the hiring of the Jenkins & Gilchrist firm — was already detailed in an affidavit that Marty gave in Ken Dandar’s case in Florida last year. The material was already on the record.

It is THEIR burden to show that this information is privileged and confidential.

All of this information was public when it came to “little old me,” Ray said. And he knew it. “I’d read Janet Reitman’s book. I’d read Lawrence Wright’s book.”

The evidence that they’re crying about is not privileged or confidential. It’s in the public domain.

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11:54 am

Mr. Rathbun spoke out for the first time in 2009. He has spoken out in television and print interviews. He’s written three books. He was the subject of a documentary. He has been involved in other cases — including those involving George Spencer.

And not once — and they have a dozen lawyers in this courtroom, that’s how lawyered-up they are — and not once have they sued Mr. Rathbun. Not once have they tried to stop him from getting this information out into the public.

They know that Mr. Rathbun is one of the most knowledgeable people in the world about what has happened in the Church of Scientology. And they know he’s going to be a witness in cases, and yet they don’t go to courts and say, you can’t let him be a witness. They know that’s ridiculous.

They watch him like a hawk — that’s why they have 27 binders of everything he’s ever written. And that’s why they’ve never once tried to shut him up. All they have is this, this one dilatory tactic.

They have filed motions to disqualify over and over and over again. That’s the situation we’re in. And that’s why we’re going to come back and seek punishment.

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11:58 am

Now slamming Spencer’s sweet-talking of Jefferson’s special appearance. Sue them in California? What it actually does is call the lawsuit extortion.

Ray: I am an ethical, upstanding attorney. Nothing privileged, confidential information came to me…this is information that was already public.

I knew all this stuff, your honor, he says.

For the last five years, they have made zero attempt to keep this stuff secret. Why? Because they know they can’t….So instead, their tactic is always attack the lawyer.

Spencer cites three white-horse cases that he tells you means you must throw these lawyers out of the court. You know what these cases are? A paralegal works for one firm and then goes to work for another firm on the other side of the lawsuit…That’s not the case here, Ray says.

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12:02 pm

The material is not privileged, they know it’s not privileged. If it were privileged they would have to make an effort to protect it — they have never attempted to protect it.

Your honor, this is a despicable motion. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

As for Spencer’s previous time of trying to disqualify Ray, Ray says that he was about to destroy it, and Spencer ASKED RAY not to file it! Did he tell you that, judge?

So twice now, I have been called immoral and unethical…and this is absolutely wrong.

Spencer wants to respond, Waldrip says “I think it was tit for tat.” Spencer sits down.

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12:02 pm

OK, folks, the judge is asking for recording devices to go off. So we’ll be taking notes on paper and get them to you as soon as we can…

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1:11 pm

….AND WE’RE BACK.

We have copious notes of the uphill push that George Spencer just made with the judge, and we’ll get those spelled out a little more complete soon. But for now, we can tell you this…

Judge Waldrip is very, very skeptical of this motion. But it’s worse than that. Waldrip, near the end of the session, raised a question that should scare the crap out of the Scientology side.

In typically shortsighted fashion, George Spencer’s arguments for why the Judge should disqualify Ray Jeffrey and his co-counsel rests on the idea that while Marty Rathbun was an officer in RTC, he oversaw matters in CSI and OSA.

The judge asked, “Does that mean that CSI and RTC are the same thing?”

No, your honor, it doesn’t, Spencer said.

OH CRAP — this is what had to have been going through the minds on the Scientology side.

Judge Waldrip just stepped on the other, more important matter that Scientology is pushing here — to keep Miscavige out. THAT strategy is based on convincing the court that RTC, CSI, and the rest are all separate, and that Miscavige’s role is limited.

Oh, that was something. Scientology’s strategy in this motion might have just ruined what they are trying to do to keep Miscavige out.

We perceived it as a crucial, crucial error by Scientology. And at the end, Judge Waldrip seemed no more convinced to disqualify Monique’s attroneys than when George Spencer began his long, repetitive dissertation.

OK, heading to lunch!

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2:33 pm

Back in the courtroom. We have a few minutes before things get going. We’ll try to type up a few more notes about George Spencer’s performance on the disqualify motion, which we said earlier was a long push uphill and didn’t seem to get a lot of traction with Judge Waldrip.

Spencer started out restating what he’d said earlier in his opening statement. (And come to think of it, how is George Spencer talking for an hour about this motion “testimony” anyway? There didn’t seem to be much of a reason for us to be kept from using the laptop. Oh well.)

Spencer specifically pointed to paragraphs 25 and 26 of Marty Rathbun’s affidavit, in which Rathbun said that he oversaw every aspect of Scientology’s legal affairs under David Miscavige, and for more than 20 years, the Office of Special Affairs, a part of CSI (Spencer’s client), answered to him.

When even a non-lawyer has been directly involved in legal matters, that person has confidential information, Spencer asserted.

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2:39 pm

Spencer’s argument here is complex. He’s saying that because Marty oversaw Scientology’s legal matters, he had to keep that information confidential, and it was wrong of Ray Jeffrey to make use of it in an affidavit. But Spencer also says that to prove its case, CSI does NOT have to detail what the confidential material actually is. But he also says that what Marty said in his affidavit was false.

So: Marty’s a liar. But when he lied, he violated the church’s privacy. So therefore Ray Jeffrey should be fired from the case.

Almost right away, however, Judge Waldrip was interrupting, asking Spencer with what we could only characterize as common sense.

The case law Spencer was relying on, for example, wasn’t it really about attorneys switching sides and giving the new firm information about the old firm?

And if it were not about attorneys, but about anyone who had left a job, how would their spouse (as in this case) or their child someday ever have the right to sue that employer if they were harmed?

Spencer did his best to deal with questions like that, but it was pretty obvious that Waldrip was seeing through this motion for the exact same reasons our friend Scott Pilutik told us it was a loser.

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2:43 pm

So Spencer dug in. He referred to even more cases, saying that the Texas Supreme Court had dealt with confidentiality problems involving non-attorney employees. In one case, a CEO’s personal assistant had stolen four confidential documents and had delivered them to her new employer…

But she took some form of communique, Waldrip interrupted. Oops. Another dead end.

Spencer digs in again. He brings up another case involving someone who was not an attorney who had used confidential information. We watched Waldrip move his head from side to side, as if he were thinking, “Well, yes and no…”

One more time Spencer brought up that in this case, Marty Rathbun had said false things in his affidavit, and had violated the confidentiality of the church.

And then, the best interruption so far…

“How is something that is false confidential?” Judge Waldrip asked.

BINGO, JUDGE.

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2:45 pm

Oh, it gets better. Because it’s at about this point when George Spencer took a shot at Monique Rathbun for having so many attorneys in the courtroom.

We are not kidding.

At one point, during his opening statement, Ray Jeffrey had pointed out that Scientology had 12 attorneys in the courtroom. (This morning’s full team was 16 people in suits, but a few of them may have been witnesses — like Warren McShane — or legal assistants.)

Now, the issue of a new attorney for Monique came up (if Waldrip granted the church’s disqualify motion), and Spencer said, and we’re paraphrasing, that since Monique could afford THREE attorneys in the courtroom, then…

Oh, he did not go there.

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3:41 pm

Sorry about that. We got shut down again as Monique’s request to depose Miscavige was argued. We’re not sure why. But now Judge Waldrip is back in his chambers, reading some cases, and implied that he’s going to come back to us and announce a decision on that soon.

So we’ll go back to where we were and continue the tale.

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4:03 pm

Getting back to the disqualify motion we were talking about earlier. After George Spencer had been pushing uphill for about an hour, trying to convince Judge Waldrip that Ray Jeffrey and Elliott Cappuccio and Marc Wiegand (Monique’s attorneys) should essentially be called immoral and be fired because of some rather arcane notion about Marty Rathbun’s relationship to Scientology.

Said Waldrip: “I’m having a hard time getting as far as you want me to go.”

But Spencer kept trying, even though his arguments sounded less and less likely. You could feel the air going out of his balloon. And when he said, “This is a serious issue, judge,” it was a dead giveaway that very few people in the courtroom agreed with him.

Waldrip, for example, pointed out that the case law on this issue — confidential information — invariably was about an attorney or paralegal sharing information on a particular case, not about their general knowledge.

Spencer disagreed. “Judge, I know you are reluctant to disqualify any counsel. But it really needs to be done in this case.”

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4:06 pm

Then came the biggest gaffe of the morning, which we hinted at earlier. As Spencer continued to harp on Marty Rathbun’s affidavit, and his assertion that he had overseen CSI’s legal matters, Judge Waldrip interrupted…

If Rathbun was working for RTC, but overseeing CSI’s legal matters, are they all the same?

“No, your honor,” Spencer quickly responded, but we figured his colleagues had to be worried. Because Waldrip was now clearly seeing that there didn’t seem to be much difference between the entities, when their separate nature is the essence of Scientology’s strategy to keep David Miscavige out of this lawsuit.

UH OH.

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4:11 pm

So by the end of the morning session, it appeared from the back benches like George Spencer’s arguments about disqualifying Ray Jeffrey and his team was basically in tatters, and had actually harmed Scientology’s other major strategy.

And now, in the afternoon session, it was time to take up that argument. Now it was Elliott Cappuccio, Ray Jeffrey’s colleague, explaining why Monique’s side was entitled to depose David Miscavige to establish jurisdiction over him.

Cappuccio cited case law to suggest that Scientology was pulling another fast one, referring to cases that really would not justify keeping Miscavige out. He was brief and well spoken.

Now it was Lamont Jefferson’s turn, representing David Miscavige and RTC.

This is the guy whose job it is to throw CSI under the bus in order to keep Miscavige out of the lawsuit. He said that Monique’s reasons for including Miscavige in the lawsuit was only a form of “leverage” to get a bigger settlement, and not because there was any actual evidence that Miscavige had anything to do with her alleged harassment.

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4:14 pm

Lamont Jefferson is an excellent speaker, and an impressive looking person. He actually looks good in his expensive suit, unlike some of the other attorneys. But his major fault seems to be that he’s talking to Waldrip like the guy is a naive yokel.

He quotes something Marty Rathbun said in his affidavit, for example — about how when he was in the church, they basically lied to the public about Miscavige’s true role — and acts as if it were the only thing he needed to say. Rathbun himself, Jefferson said, impeaches himself, and there’s no other evidence about Miscavige in this lawsuit.

“That statement can be read two different ways,” Waldrip then said, and Jefferson seemed thrown for a loop.

But he kept pushing. “There’s no competent, plausible pleading or evidence” about Miscavige that would justify subjecting him to a deposition, Jefferson said.

And then it was time to throw CSI under the bus again.

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4:17 pm

Let Monique sue CSI and you won’t run afoul of the First Amendment, Jefferson told the judge.

This is a religious dispute, and Marty Rathbun was setting up his own knock-off version of Scientology, Jefferson complained.

But what about the Squirrel Busters, Waldrip asked — is he saying that CSI sent them?

My suspicion is that those were people faithful to CSI who were exercising their religious freedoms, Jefferson answered.

Jefferson cited case law about church members who had sued over the way they were treated by a church, but it was held that the church’s behavior was protected by the first amendment.

“But would that be true of a former member of the church? And forevermore?” Waldrip asked. And he appeared to be losing some patience.

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4:19 pm

One more time Jefferson said that CSI had submitted to jurisdiction in the case and should be the aim of the lawsuit.

“The last thing this court should do is subject an ecclesiastical leader to a deposition,” Jefferson said.

The court shouldn’t be relying on old information from Marty Rathbun.

“Mr. Rathbun has no knowledge of what’s happened inside the church since he left it in 2004.”

At this point, Les Strieber had the brilliant idea of standing up to clarify a few things.

Oh, Les. Bad idea.

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4:23 pm

First, Les explained that the Squirrel Busters were not agents of CSI or any church entity.

But as for the surveillance of the Rathbuns, “The church is concerned when their orthodoxy has been challenged or corrupted.”

So CSI is admitting to the surveillance, and that it was done by its division the Office of Special Affairs. As Jefferson had said, “I think CSI is going to admit to a connection to the private investigators.”

But now Strieber makes things as clear as mud as to CSI’s actual role. When Waldrip asks him, just what does CSI do, Strieber says that it is “an administrative, business entity.”

“So it’s not really a church?” Waldrip asks.

“They call it the mother church,” Strieber answered.

So what does RTC do?

“If I may, your honor. RTC holds the intellectual property,” Jefferson interjected.

Oh, this was going south, fast.

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4:29 pm

“So someone else holds the licenses that you do business with?” Waldrip asked.

Clearly, it was making no sense to Waldrip, and Scientology had somehow managed to make a hash of things.

So the judge said he wanted to go back and read several cases that had been cited, and would be back to us with some sort of decision soon.

In the meantime, we had a couple of Texas sheriff’s deputies come over to us, and they were not happy.

It seems that after the break, the morning’s “testimony” was over, and we were onto the new subject — the deposition. So we pulled out our laptop and started typing away. A deputy came over to us and asked us to put it away. We said we hadn’t heard anything from the judge, could we ask him?

“If you have the guts, ask him yourself,” the deputy said.

OK. So we stood up, and said, “Your honor, the morning’s testimony is over. Can we use a laptop now? We didn’t hear an instruction?” He said not now, he’d address it later. OK. So we put the laptop away and took out the note pad again.

Well, at recess, two deputies came over to us, and they were not happy. Apparently, “If you have the guts, ask him yourself” was Texan for “You disobey my authority and you’re going to spend the night in jail hog-tied,” or something.

Whew. These guys were shaking. And we were stupid enough to keep arguing with them.

Well, fair readers, after trying to explain that we had just done what we were told — ask the judge if we had the guts, which we did, we put it away. OK, judge back.

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4:32 pm

Judge Waldrip said he wasn’t able to get through everything. He said he’s leaning toward granting a continuance on the hearing, but wanted to see if there’s a middle road on discovery.

Ray Jeffrey and Lamont Jefferson are now sparring a little, politely, and the Judge seems stymied. Is he going to decide nothing today?

“I want to completely read these affidavits…It would probably be Monday before I could rule on this deposition of Mr. Miscavige. Would written questions work, or does it have to be oral?” Judge Waldrip asked.

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4:34 pm

Waldrip is trying to talk Ray into allowing Miscavige to submit written responses. Ray is trying to say that it wouldn’t be satisfactory. Now Ray is offering maybe to depose someone else first.

Waldrip is going to let the two parties try to work out a reasonable plan. (Yeah, right.) Now he’s talking calendar.

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4:42 pm

So the special appearance issue (whether RTC/David Miscavige should be part of the lawsuit) has been continued to October 18.

Meanwhile, he’s made no decision yet on the motion to disqualify.

Neither side really got anything at all today. And Waldrip made one utterance that suggests he is concerned about appeals.

It appears that he’s being very careful, and wants to think things over before making decisions. Good for him. Not so good for us. OK, heading to the bar.

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  • Robert Eckert

    We’ve cracked 3000 on a single thread!

    It was a bit unfair, Ray against a dozen Scilon lawyers, but it worked out OK…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvTR012Dmg

    • Eclipse-girl

      Now can we get past 4300+ ?

      I have been watching. We cleared a one thread record a while ago and 3 000 is not going to be beaten unless DM is in front of cameras.

      • Claude

        Depends on if the lurkers come out and make a post! Come on in, the water is fine! And, if there are scientologists reading, you don’t need to use your real name, so there is no reason to fear reprisal from Miscavige

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Who? Oh, you mean the guy who doesn’t run Scientology?
          Because today in court we learned that the Leader of the MOTHER CHURCH IS CSI?
          So that means Heber is in charge of the entire shee bang?

          hmmm curious paradox eh?

          • DeElizabethan

            That was a good one, so maybe he’ll just have to show up too.

            • kickingit101

              LOL, you know that would never happen. Could you imagine his testimony and the ramifications. I have been held against my will for the last X years, David runs everything with an iron fist. I have no idea what has been going on.

            • DeElizabethan

              Nah, he’s a complete robot and knows he’d get killed if said anything wrong since he’s as bad as they get. He’s hopeless to come out IMO.

            • NeverIn

              Wouldn’t people have said that about Rathbun and Rinder?

            • WhereIsSHE

              Heber is a heck of a lot older that they were when they escaped.
              Heber is 77 (soon to be 78) years old.
              Try escaping from a cult prison when you are only 2 yrs shy of 80 YEARS OLD.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              IMO…no.
              They didn’t spend as much time in the hole.
              The MR’s worked more directly with Miscavige than Heber did.
              The MR’s were younger.

              These seem like small things individually. But collectively…

          • NeverIn

            Ooooh could they subpoena Heber????

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              If they did, Heber would be a good Scientologist right to the very end.
              Sad.

              Edit: it wont happen.

            • kickingit101

              Considering the claim they made today I would think it would be completely plausible that they could subpoena him.

            • kickingit101

              Too bad they could not find a reason to need to depose Shelly. That would have McMental Midget Idget shitting sail boats for sure.

            • DeElizabethan

              Good idea and that’s a better possibility than Herber.
              Edit: Shit balls for sure! haha
              Edit: correction: Shit boats! Hey it’s late for me.

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t see why not. He is the President of CSI which is not contesting jurisdiction. Ray does not need to tag him personally, just serve the lawyer who represents CSI. What can Heber say about who actually makes decisions for CSI? Is he going to pretend he hired the Squirrel Busters himself?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Um, yeah…He probably would fall on that sword.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Add Heber to the lawsuit, he acted ‘with’ David… and see who throws who under the bus first – that’s the guilty party.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Heber is totally broken. No contest.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Kind of my point, really… Heber is brainwashed and broken – he’s Makemerich’s puppet.

            • Narapoid

              Sad but true. If Phil Donahue could interview him now, it would devastate DM and well meaning parishioners.

        • MadMaxi

          If Heber got to the stand and the judge, after hearing background from Shark with frickin’ Laser Beams Ray and other witnesses, demanded a “wellness check” on Heber, well…. that would be mighty fine! For the courts must protect the elderly, regardless of a religion’s mumbo-jumbo. Given all the mental, emotional hell Heber’s been through I doubt he could cogently follow or testify in a live-fire court trail. THAT would be a disaster for Tiny Pr*ck who does not have the power to heal in a few months the torture Heber endured from DM’s hate.

          Sorry, I get really pissed when I think of the torture these people go through for years, especially the ones DM really hates.

          • Claude

            Great post!

          • Narapoid

            Amen. Where’s Heber? I’m afraid he’ll “expire” before he could take the stand. The little monster could then shunt the blame onto him. He could never let Heber take the stand. EVER

      • DeElizabethan

        Wouldn’t that be just splendid? Even if they allow no camera, well, plenty coming and going, with all his guard dogs around him and him slumpin’ in the middle.

    • DeElizabethan

      Thanks for posting that again, it was fabulous!

    • Unex Skcus

      ^^^ “It was a bit unfair….” OK, so how many Scilon lawyers does it take to beat a Ray?

      • Robert Eckert

        We may never know

    • Captain Howdy

      YAY! …Mosin Nagant ..FTW!

  • Eclipse-girl

    I gotta go. Its late. I am old and need my sleep. I am so glad i found the BUNKER.

    Sleep well

    • Aslansown

      You too.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Have a great night.

  • Tone

    I cannot help but wonder *who* set those courtroom deputies off against Ortega & Co? The cult and its operatives rarely miss an opportunity to behave like perfect assholes.

    • DeElizabethan

      Oh yes, as soon as I read that one just knows they said something to the guards. Sig ‘em.

      • MadMaxi

        Maybe when Moxon was outside the room he said something to the guards about those Big City reporters?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          That could have happened!…as he was getting yelled at by Dave……………

          • MadMaxi

            *snicker* wonderful mental image

        • DeElizabethan

          Only someone there who would have seen some guy go to the guards ear to remind him, would really know for sure. Otherwise the guards were on good alert and didn’t need prompting.

        • LemonLemon

          I was wondering where Moxon was and if he would show up. He’s such a fuckin’ toolbox.

    • Aslansown

      That’s exactly what I thought too.

    • WhereIsSHE

      Please allow me to clear this one up, for once and for all, fellow Bunkerites.

      The courtroom deputies were doing their job.
      The judge had made a ruling about when laptops could be used.
      The deputies were doing their best to enforce the judge’s ruling.
      It is as simple as that.
      No conspiracy here.
      Just typical courtroom control procedures.

      Let it go.
      This is not an issue.

      • MadMaxi

        Thank you WIS, your wisdom is great. I’ll drop it :)

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yes ma’am.
        Especially in Tejas!

        • WhereIsSHE

          Especially in EVERYWHERE!
          I know a few judges here in Philadelphia who would have ENJOYED making an example out of Tony today.
          On the one hand, I think it’s imperative that he stand up for his 1st Amendment rights, and particulary where his 1st Amendment rights (as a journalist) are so imperative to the checks and balances that help to keep us living in a free democracy (idealistically speaking, of course, since we can see the everyday corporate influence on just about everything now).
          (It’s only a matter of time before the year 2020 is a/k/a the Year of the Adult Depends Undergarments. ….
          The lawyer in me cringes.
          I don’t want there to be ANY reason — ANY unwarranted distraction– for the judge to (even subconsciously) get a bad taste in his mouth for Monique Rathbun.
          If you are sitting by her– and supporting her side of the case– you had better follow the court’s rules about proper ettiquette to a T, IMO, FWIW.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I got the undergarments. I lived in UTAH FFS!

            Edit: but more importantly…what the heck is my prize?

            (big grin)

          • Robert Eckert

            I don’t think you followed the story. Tony was following the rules as the judge set them. The rules changed without notice or explanation.

            • WhereIsSHE

              I did follow, Robert.
              Trust me.
              I got it.

              But the deputies came over and made the request– and it is not as though he was stopped from attending and reporting on the events as they occurred.

              I understand that the judge said X, and then this seemed to deviate… but… this is not a case about the right to BLOG about a case from a laptop.

              I’ll give Tony the BIG CAJONES award for standing up and addressing the judge as he did… but…ultimately…

              This CASE is about a woman who was tortiously HARASSED, THREATENED, INITIMIDATED, HARMED.

              THAT is what the judge should be focused on, and not whether a member of the public audience –who also happens to be a member of the press–can tap on laptop keys (vs. scribble in ink or graphite on paper, and then later, tap it all out on the keys).

              I love Tony’s reporting, and I wanted to read the blow-by-blow with as much interest as everyone else here today.

              But I will not pretend that the deputies were somehow thugs or in some conspiracy to thwart his reporting… or that the defense lawyers were somehow in control of the courtroom personnel, ALL of which have been suggested here in the posts (not by Tony).

              The judge has made an exception here in allowing ANY recording devices in his courtroom.

              I posted the Local Court Rule on this very issue on a previous thread.

              I would never advise a journalist to give in to intimidation when it concerned his actual rights to attend a public hearing and to report on what he observed, but if there are local court rules about when certain types of equipment may be used in open court– and when the judge in a particular courtroom permits publc participants to go ahead and utilize the proscribed equipment for ANY part of the proceedings, I would advise said member of the public (even if a journalist) to honor the court’s rulings (and to honor the requests and/or directives of courtroom personnel, so long as said request or directive did not hamper his/her ability to cover the story.)

              PLUS, the idea of Tony spending the night in a jail cell contemplating the wisdom of challenging courtroom deputies vs. spending the evening having a few pints of his choice in a cool drinking establishment is a no-brainer.

              I know you stopped practicing law a couple decades ago– and I don’t recall you saying whether or not you ever tried cases in court–

              But the banning of laptops and/or cell phones, etc in courtrooms is not uncommon, and violations (or perceived violations) are taken with the utmost of seriousness.

              Even attorneys are sometimes REQUIRED to CHECK such devices with courthouse personnel when they go through security stations, unless they have approval to use said devices as part of their case presentation.

              No one was banning him from being there to observe and record his observations.

              It was just a matter of HOW he was able to record his observations.

            • Aslansown

              Yeah — we can’t even enter the courthouse with a cell phone. We have to take it back to the car.

            • Robert Eckert

              Yes, yes, I know that each court has its own rules, but the judge set the rules and Tony was following them. A change in the rules should also have come from the judge.

            • WhereIsSHE

              For goodness’ sake, Robert!
              I GOT THAT (the deputies orders appeared to deviate from what the judge communicated to courtroom observers)!
              I think everyone here who read Tony’s account of requesting the court to clarify the issue understands that there was an apparent deviation from the court’s ruling on this issue (and understands that the apparent deviation was what prompted Tony to stand up and ask the judge for clarification).
              I just wanted to put out the fires on the conspiracy theories about the deputies.

            • Robert Eckert

              OK, I thought you were chastising Tony for asking the judge what was going on. The story does sound to me as if the deputies acted without instruction from the judge, but the judge felt he had to side with the deputies.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Nononono.
              I gave Tony the BIG CAJONES award!

              As for suggesting that the judge “FELT HE HAD TO SIDE WITH THE DEPUTIES”…
              My head is about to crack open on that one=(!

              And on that note, I am off to take some Advil and get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs.

              Good night, Irene, Good night.
              I’ll see you in my dreams….

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s how I see Texas operating: you don’t argue back against anything the deputies say, even if they’re in the wrong, and if the judge sees that the deputies have misinterpreted his rules, he is still going to stand for the principle that you never argue with the deputies about anything.

      • Robert Eckert

        The judge had originally said no devices during testimony although it was fine during lawyers’ arguments. The change of rule was not clear.

      • Tone

        Perhaps, perhaps not. I wasn’t there and unless you were, your observation is as cromulent as mine. Lighten up a little… smile! :D
        BTW if you care to reply (and somehow I just *know* you do!) you get the last word, I’m going out dancing.

        • WhereIsSHE

          Oh, I’m smiling, Tone;) In fact, your [mis-]use of “cromulent” is pretty fucking amusing;)

          So amusing, in fact, that it is IRONIC (or WOULD be ironic… except.. ironically, the word “cromulent” is not.. welll… CROMULENT!)

          (See what I did there, Tone?!)

          Hope you have a splendid night on the dance floor!!
          =)

  • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

    This has GOT to be a record for posts…… 3062…… Now 3063…….

    • Claude

      Yes. it is a record!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Buzz Lightyear reporting for duty sir! *refresh*

      • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

        Nice :-D

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Straight up and vertical ??

  • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

    Fark a duck. It’s on fire!

  • theoracle

    Oh,I forgot to mention it before. The Judge in this Texas trial is a graduate of the FBI National Law Enforcement Academy, And, He tweets on twitter:

    Dib Waldrip ‏@DibWaldrip 5 Jun
    If Susan Rice could headup NSA & IRS @ the same time, Obama could centralize both foreign and domestic coverups.

    https://twitter.com/DibWaldrip

    He is NOT out of the loop and is savvy and aware in social intercourse. He is also David’s senior for as long as he is assigned to this case.

    • theoracle

      P.S. Dib Waldrip ‏@DibWaldrip

      19 Aug 12

      Romney & Ryan moving positively toward Reagan-styled Right-handed Federalism. Good Texas rain last night–God is good.

      • theoracle

        And I think I know why God placed this matter in his hands. :)

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          To bolster the Romney campaign? Err wait..

          • theoracle

            According to his Facebook Page, he listens to contemporary Christian Music and reads the Bible. He’s a good looking man too! Whew!

    • BigMcLargeHuge

      Wow, he comes off as a real right-wing asshat. Not surprising for an judge in Texas as they elect them down there.

      • Aslansown

        So far, I think he’s doing a great job with the trial. We may have to agree to disagree on the rest of it.

      • EnthralledObserver

        What do ‘right-wing asshats’ stand for?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          yeah, I need to know the Day-ta?

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Well they’re against whatever is bad for America, and by extension, whatever Obama thinks or does or speaks out loud. It’s his fault.

          • EnthralledObserver

            *shakes head* Man, your country is messed up… your President is for the ‘bad’?… *facepalm*

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I know, it’s rough.

            • Captain Howdy
            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I left a song for you somewhere around here. Enjoy.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              The song is North!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              In your world, maybe not Howdys. ;-)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Point taken!
              You still got a job???????????????

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Unfortunately. I rather prefer “gentleman of leisure” status.

        • BigMcLargeHuge

          It’s just the sloganeering nonsense that seems straight out of Mark Levin or something. Doesn’t speak well for him.

          It’s also just weird to see as in most places judges are very apolitical and would never say anything remotely close to those sorts of things. It’s Texas though.

          I hope he does keep up what appears to be a perceptive ability to see through Co$ nonsense, but that twitter feed dampened my opinion of him.

          • DeElizabethan

            A good judge should not be biased.

          • EnthralledObserver

            You’re going to have to be a wee bit more specific with me, I’m an Aussie, what was it he wrote that makes you think he’ll be sympathetic to the $cilons?

            • BigMcLargeHuge

              I didn’t say he would be sympathetic. Just that he is clearly very right wing in his politics.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ok, I guess it’s me being Aussie, but why should that matter… law is law, he has to follow it to the letter, else the ‘appeals’ will nix him anyway?

            • BigMcLargeHuge

              Supposed to be how it works, but judges are human and their viewpoints inform their judgments.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yep, we’re all human and react to the data we are presented in our own unique way, I hear you.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              This is true. All of this crap has a layer of Subjectivity we cannot control.

            • Captain Howdy

              “Corporations are people too”

              Does that ring a bell? That became a reality thanks to some judges.

              “Off with their heads!”

            • EnthralledObserver

              David Makemerich IS $cientology – WE GOT HIM! :p

            • Captain Howdy

              Workers of the World Unite!…Where’s my potato juice?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You still have some…look to your left!

            • Captain Howdy

              Hah huH! Tanks

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You are welcome!

            • Robert Eckert

              Most judges try to avoid openly displaying their prejudices. It does not create a reassuring feeling that you will be treated fairly, if you happen not to be the judge’s favorite kind of person, to know that he has no hesitation about expressing his bias.

            • Poison Ivy

              I hope CO$ does not use the judge’s open political ideology against him. They will use anything.

            • Robert Eckert

              Of course they will use it. He gives them a road-map for how to portray him as part of a conspiracy against them.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              The thing about politics is it is circular. if you go far enough left or right…guess where you end up?

            • DeElizabethan

              Hahahahaha

            • EnthralledObserver

              Indeed… *chuckle*

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Been waiting a half hour and you haven’t said the answer. I had to finally ask

            • Whoknew

              BTN meant that if you are extremely left, you end up being right. And if you’re extremely right you end up left. That still sounds muddy, doesn’t it?

            • Robert Eckert

              In the 30’s Stalin was considered far left, and Hitler was considered far right, but they both ended up killing lots of people so were they so different? In 1939 they shocked the world by making a treaty:

              http://tonyortega.org/2013/09/13/monique-rathbun-vs-scientology-day-2-texas-showdown-shifts-gears/#comment-1042453520

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yeah I understood what BTN meant, I was just kidding around with a silly reply. Sorry to respond to a 2 day old reply

            • Whoknew

              Right-leaning people often sympathize with corporations, and left-leaning people often side with individuals. Generalization, but with truth in it.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ah, okay… but how does he feel about corporations that masquerade as religions… whole different ballgame, right? ;)

            • Whoknew

              You would think. And if he’s a southern Christian conservative, he def. won’t have much appreciation for *that* kind of church.

            • Aslansown

              Exactly!

            • Poison Ivy

              Well, he’ll have a healthy respect for religious exceptions and first amendment rights.
              But I don’t think he’ll take kindly to a dirty tricks corporation (i.e. crime syndicate) masquerading as a religion. That’ll hit him where it hurts.

            • Whoknew

              Yes, that’s what I meant. Good wording.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Conservative leaning people tend to be Capitalists. (but not always)
              Liberals tend to lean more toward socialism.
              Guess what, that is what consensus is for.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m a socialist but I’m not a liberal. I agree with Stalin’s assessment of “liberals” generally speaking. I also agree with the Mao maxim “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” but I’m not a communist either.

              Goodnight everybody!

            • Poison Ivy

              Don’t really agree – wanting regulated Capitalism is nowhere near the same thing as agreeing with socialism. I lean pretty librul myself, by both upbringing and by innate nature (humanistic, like things to be fair, too empathetic and idealistic for my own good, etc.) but I don’t think Socialism has ever proven to be a workable ideology. At least I don’t think it could ever be workable in America, given so many of this nation’s quirks. I sure like the idea of those guaranteed social safety nets of places like France and Sweden, though! There’s something very, very wrong with someone working an entire lifetime – 30-50 years on a job – retiring with a basic pension, and suddenly going from middle class to poverty line overnight because of health care and other unexpected costs. Unregulated Capitalism doesn’t work because it only benefits the aggressively wealth-seeking minority. You have to give people fair rules to play by – we’re not all cut out for the shark tank. And even in the shark tank, someone’s going to be the last to the chum.For the majority, playing by the rules isn’t enough. One life catastrophe for you and it’s all over.

              IMHO we in the USA are WAY too caught up in labeling which “Team” we’re playing for. It encourages “cultic” thinking on both sides of the political spectrum. If people were able to think point by point for themselves, I think you’d see less hard line ideology, like that spouted by ol’ Drib. This is a highly intelligent guy and by all indications, a genuinely good salt of the earth human, trained in his profession to look carefully at both sides of an issue and rule fairly – but he clearly forgets all of that when he talks politics. I think labeling encourages that kind of fixed tribal identity and it doesn’t help anyone.

              Off soapbox and going to bed.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I rather liked your soapbox!

            • Poison Ivy

              Awww, love you Bury! <3

            • heuristically_inclined

              Well said!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Great sign-off PI. Good night.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Republicans in this country believe there was a massive cover-up by the Obama administration after the attack on our embassy in Benghazi. Four good men died, and it was a tragedy, but they constantly try to turn it into a political scandal, which its not. You can google it and find out a whole lot more. The judge mentioning Susan Rice is a tell-tale sign of where he stands on the issue, and its not a good one, but i still believe hes been a fair judge. You can google the Benghazi 9/11 anniversary if you want to read more.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ok, cheers.

            • Robert Eckert

              He also ties it into a pseudo-scandal about the IRS not wanting to give tax-exempt status to political groups. The IRS is not supposed to give exemption to anything but charitable groups, but religious and political groups have been getting away with it for years. A recent attempt to crackdown on newly formed political groups (in the wake of a Supreme Court decision killing most regulation of election spending) led to accusations that Obama was using the IRS to attack his political enemies. Actually, Obama had nothing to do with the IRS move, by a Republican official in the IRS left over from the Bush administration, which investigated left-wing and right-wing groups alike, but that is not how the story is told by Fox News.

        • media_lush

          whatever Glenn Beck does [top 'asshat' hit]

          • media_lush

            although IMO King of the [right wing] Asshats is this guy

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              thank you. I hate this stupid fucking fucK!

            • media_lush

              i’ve actually met the douche…. a vile human specimen…. if you haven’t seen them you should track down the first Obama press correspondents dinner thing they do…. had that Seth guy from SNL hosting it… it was when Trump was possibly running for office and was the main ‘truther’ protagonist [Obams's birth certificate]…. Obama’s Trump diss on the podium ripped him a new one…. his face was a sight to behold.

              Also track down the video of Bill Maher comparing him to an Orangutan and Trumps threat to sue…. stuff you just can’t make up

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Seth Meyers did about 10 minutes on Trump while Trump was in the room.. The look on Trump’s face is priceless.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              Maybe its the misanthrope in me perhaps im not “attached” to the issues but GB is helluva entertaining … and great study material how the fuck can someone get so fucked up ….

              but then i have been caught watching televangalists for the comedic relief

            • EnthralledObserver

              I’ve barely watched anything on him, and I already know I can’t stand him… a horrible human being.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              All ya need to know!

            • Nevermore

              I particularly hate his fucking stupid hair/toupee/random small furry animal glued to his napper!

        • Gregory Nietsky

          always seems in the end they stand for nothing and fall for anything …

      • EejitGirl

        Yes we do elect judges and he’s an Aggie. That’s important. The Malignant Dwarf would be smart not to mess with him – but then he’s never smart. Sociopaths only think that they’re smart.

        • Aslansown

          Yeah — you don’t mess with Texas and you really don’t mess with an Aggie! (I learned that from my rapid Aggie cousins!)

          • Nevermore

            I’m an Aggie (by name!) in RL. A former boss (who is Texan) bought me an Aggies shirt as an Xmas present – I wore it until it fell apart in its old age!

            • Aslansown

              I’m sure he’d keep you supplied for life if you wanted! I’ve never seen anything like the Texas Aggie phenomenon.

        • Nevermore

          Yeah, that’s the Diminutive Moron’s only saving grace!

      • Narapoid

        Just what we want for Mosey. He won’t take kindly to a nice lady being mistreated. Especially by a godless heathen.

        • Kitz

          Hey now… Heathens aren’t godless – they have 12 of them. ;-P

          • Narapoid

            Point taken ;D

    • Aslansown
  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    This song is how I feel after two crazy, amazing days here. Plus, the whole song, video, hair, special effects are sooooo bad. Double plus, I hope Howdy sees it. I just KNOW he’ll love it!

    http://youtu.be/LI8khooPyJk

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Ah shit…………..Great link!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I think ole’ Gordon looks like Brad Dourif as Billy in One Flew Over…..with that hair. NOT a good look.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh man…Now I am thinking of his character. Whacks you!

    • DeElizabethan

      That was Neat!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Hi Dee!

  • Whoknew

    So I was toying with the idea of driving to the courthouse today and canceling my date…it turns out I had a flat tire and had to deal with that…and my date had a flat tire today too (what??). So God or David or someone decided neither treat for me. I’m taking it as a positive that I avoided OSA on Friday the 13th.

    • DeElizabethan

      Like the glass half full way of thinking too. Makes life easier. Hoping you’ll make it when they continue.

      • Whoknew

        :) Yes, I figure I’ll wait until the main show happens…if there will be one.

        • DeElizabethan

          Ya, when some shit hits a fan. Wish I could be there with you.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            That’s what roadtrips are for. Ask BTN, she LOVES to drive insane distances for less than these fireworks.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Well yeah!

            • heuristically_inclined

              I’m in Northern California but if this thing makes it to trial I guarantee my ass will be in Texas for some of it

            • Whoknew

              We might have to have picnics on the courthouse lawn. With our laptops for Tony’s updates.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Meet you there. Wanna share a hotel room?

            • heuristically_inclined

              Abso-fucking-lutely BTN! You make me laugh every damn day. We would have a blast!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              thumbs up. I am a happy road warrior! Cool.
              I so wanna go!

              Of course now I am about to go face down into the Tempurpedic!!!

            • heuristically_inclined

              Me too! To be there and actually watch those slimy bastards getting their asses handed to them would be well worth the trip. I’m absolutely giddy just thinking about it.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Thank you NASA. I love mine too!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Wow, you’re easy!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Well Yah!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Mr. Nuts on the first date: “Come with me woman!”
              BTN on the first date: “Sure. Whatever you want.”

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You totally nailed it!

            • Aslansown

              If it goes to trial I may try to get down there too. It’s probably a two day drive and I’m out of work right now, so I’d have to stay on the cheap. But I would love to be there and join other Bunkerites (ettes?) and Tony.

            • heuristically_inclined

              The more the merrier! How cool would it be to have a Bunker contingent at the courthouse? Since the sci lawyers are so interested in the bunker and probably read the comments we should wear name tags with our screen names for them. Hahaha

          • Whoknew

            Wish I had you to go with me! No one I know cares about this stuff.

            • DeElizabethan

              Shame. But you can be our eyes there, then tell us what you saw or heard. A VIP!

            • Whoknew

              Omg. Idk if I can handle all that. I will want anonymous masks all over my body.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I am taking it you and your date need to get hitched!

      • Whoknew

        Haha! That would make it easier to cancel dates. ;)

    • EnthralledObserver

      You assume you ‘avoided OSA’, yet you both had flat tyres… hmmmm.

      • Whoknew

        It sounds bad, doesn’t it? Haha…I’m a nobody anyone has heard of. I’d love to give them credit but it’s not possible.

  • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

    Does that include people in the RPF Kirstie?

    • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

      Someone? Anyone? Tony, could you delete the post and I’ll re-embed it without my toolbar showing…..

      • media_lush

        aaah, I think I know what you want to do….. hover your cursor to the far right of your avatar at the same level and the delete options should appear on the screen

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Because there’s comments threading off of it, the post will remain as a “Guest” posting. He needs Tony or a moderator to remove it. But I don’t know of any moderators. Tony should probably assign the two longest active Bunkerites as moderators.

          • media_lush

            definitely something disqus should look into

      • Oopsy Daisy

        You could ask everyone here now to flag it; maybe that will catch Tony’s attention? He might notice it if he gets a bunch of flags reported on one image. I don’t know if he reads all of these comments, especially on a day with thousands. I’ll flag it now.

        • EnthralledObserver

          I flagged it too… hope that does it for now.

        • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

          Thanks Oopsie, I’ve flagged it 4 times or so myself ;-)

    • Aslansown

      Can’t you just hit “edit” and then delete the picture?

      • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

        Nope. It’ll only let me edit the text…… And enlarge the photo itself…….

        • Aslansown

          Oh dear. Well, you’ve reached the level of my technical powers.

          • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

            Usually I’m more careful. I was making coffee to awaken my brain more. Should have waited……..

      • media_lush

        on a mac you have command shift 3 for the whole screen and command shift 4 which gives you cross hairs so you can choose what to grab…. I don’t know the PC equivalents but I do know they exist

      • media_lush

        I’m always championing mac but had no idea how far behind windows was when it comes to just grabbing a pic on the screen…..

        • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

          I don’t use Windows…… I’m an Ubuntu guy……… Should make it easier for me to do stuff, but I learn something new about it every day……………..

          • media_lush

            yeah, I said elsewhere that it’s something Disqus should look into

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              They really, really should…………….. Thanks for trying to help anyways……

          • Gregory Nietsky

            one option is to capture just the window for a browser F11 first Gimp has a cool screen cap function and easy to crop and cut ….. im working on “software” at the moment that needs to run on win/lin/mac was originally done with java now using C/C++ have to keep banging head on windows mac/linux builds are a pleasure …. any friend of bill is not a friend of mine …

            ps saucy salamander is bit slicker and has some bugs fixed well worth it ….

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              I hate Windows with a passion. I’m trying to convert my friends to Ubuntu, it’s much easier and much free-er :-D

            • Gregory Nietsky

              Let them use Win8 for 5min …… that is all

            • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

              They have…… They want out…………

    • media_lush

      aaah, I think I know what you want to do….. hover your cursor to the far right of your avatar at the same level and the delete options should appear on the screen

      • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

        Nope, that just collapses it. Even deleting it from my Disqus account has only made it appear as a Guest comment………..

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Just delete all your posts in this thread that refer to the original post. No one will know who “Guest” is, and its not censorship, it’s accounting for a flaw in Disqus.

          • Unit G-Xenu’s Other Fist

            Will do, cheers Jimmy ;-)

  • Aslansown

    I was curious so I googled (hearsay) and found out the Dib is short for Dibrell. Poor guy.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I googled Hearsay too.
      I just found Google!

      • EnthralledObserver

        lol

      • DeElizabethan

        Me too and found these interesting

        Hearsay evidence – ‎Hearsay rule – ‎Disambiguation – ‎Hearsay Exceptions
        Edit: so Google may be the exception?

      • Minion Gayle

        Bwahahahaha!

    • EnthralledObserver

      Hey, it could have been worse, it could have been Dribell…

    • parent

      Googled Hearasay.? Report to ethics!!

      • DeElizabethan

        We should all report to ethics because we’re having just too much fun.
        Meanwhile Ta, ta and off to bed.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Nightees…

    • Strelnikov

      Beats Dick Trickle, who was a NASCAR driver.

    • Larry Moore

      Sometimes that which wounds us in the beginning, makes us stronger in the end.

  • Nightshade09

    If there is true Hollywood director/writer/screenplay writer out there reading this. They should take all the testimony of former Scientology spokespersons and heads, all the escapees and do single movie how hard core Scientology escape this cult. A Dozen or so personal stories wrapped into it.. Marc Headley’s own escape on motorcycle from “International bases (or should we call it Nazi headquarters) would make a very compelling drama.

    • EnthralledObserver

      This would be the most hysterical sequel to The TomKat Project, right?

      • EnthralledObserver

        Oh, Xenu… I should have read the entire post first, I meant this court case, or court cases in general involving Co$’s audacity and lameness in the court room.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Did my mess of a communication get underkerstumbled?

    • Bella Legosi

      Dude you could make a full on HBO series with the legal material and stories. Many angles and perspectives too. From the kid who took a stress test and joined staff, to second generation org kids, celebrities and of course the legal battles………full of material. Give it 10 more years (or less depending on just how fast this cult sinks to deep six)

    • Gregory Nietsky

      how will xenu be handled ….

  • media_lush

    Okay…. here’s a little shoop I did before I hit the sack….

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      After drugging the COB’s scotch, could you ever get out of the hole? You might be buried underneath the hole.

    • media_lush

      it’s late and I think my caption is weak…. if a good one gets posted I’ll put it up on my blog

      • media_lush

        thought I’d juxtapose my last pic with this one

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I have to leave when people start involving Ewoks. My emotions run wild and it gets too intense. Goodnight, ML.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            Remember ewoks are on endor and wookies are on endor ….. think the only defence the $ciloons have is the chewbacca defence

        • media_lush

          …. and as she hasn’t blocked me yet I sent them to Melinda Brownstone

        • Room 101

          Oh shit…..I’m dying

    • Narapoid

      God I love that! XD

  • media_lush

    this seems such an anti-climax…… if only they knew, lulz

    http://herald-zeitung.com/news/local_news/article_d2fc5d56-1ce4-11e3-954b-0019bb2963f4.html

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Breaking News: no news is reportable in the case of…

      Excellent journalism.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Oh dear lord, why did they even bother?

    • Tory Christman

      There may be no ruling (YET)….but there sure was some awesome material that came out of it!
      We went picketing tonight to Celebrity Center and the Complex (For the Kirsty Shill of the Year Award/trash can :) I started telling Sea Org members that their leader has now officially claimed he’s not *really* a Scientologist…just their “Ecclesiastical leader”. ROTFLOL! You go, Davey boy…..keep pitching um all under the bus! And don’t forget what I’ve told you for years now: You can RUN…but you CANNOT HIDE!
      To those lurking and still “in”: Bail While U still CAN! <<< I am NOT kidding. Love to ALL :) Thanks to Tony and gang, and certainly to Monique! Tory/Magoo

      • Narapoid

        Take it to em Baby! Most won’t even know about the Texas showdown unless injected from outside, or anything else for that matter…

  • deselby

    A friendship that like love is warm.

    • Oopsy Daisy

      Probably exactly how he sees himself. Chilling in the plush fortress, rocking his arch-villain signature look. Except, in real life, or whatever you call the bizarro role-playing world he lives in, the junior villains have fake smiles and dead eyes.

      • Narapoid

        Fake smiles and dead eyes ;-D

  • media_lush
    • Whoknew

      Look at the pic of Rathbuns compared to the pic of Miscavige. Hahaha!

      • media_lush

        knowing his pathological hatred of Marty I reckon this particular photo [when he sees it] will result him in physically attacking someone

    • Narapoid

      This is the dreaded Black PR.

      This compelling and revealing story is gonna siphon a river of the bane of Scientology: negative press.

      And little lord Fauntleroy did it himself.

    • Nevermore

      I am deeply envious of Mosey – she is EXTREMELY photogenic! I tend to look like Ursula the Sea Witch in my pictures!

      • EnthralledObserver

        I agree, she’s very nice looking, and the camera is very, very kind to her.

  • Larry Moore

    Thank God Hubbard wrote more than one million words for our intellectual dissection and emotional consideration (at our leisure). As the time between now and 5 weeks from now seems like an eternity to me. Lol.

    In the absence of a fabricated context (of ‘Being Truth’), Hubbard’s words reveal the presence of an insanity that is simply and truly astonishing to behold. His ‘WE (scientology) must take over the world! for the worlds sake, nay, for the sake of the entire universe!!!” is a classic example of riviting reading for one that is conscious when reading it. That is not being susceptible to the speech of a politician or a con man, for lack of intellectual or emotional maturity. So to speak.

    Thank you Tony for The Underground Bunker. You rock. We rock. The Bunker rocks.

    And Truth rocks.

  • media_lush

    …. on my second large Hine and double espresso and a really stupid scenario entered my head that is making me giggle…. it goes something like this:

    “Due to ever increasing Plaintiff costs and Scientology’s unwillingness to settle a compromise was reached where both parties agreed to settlement as ordained by Judge Judy. The televised event is expected to break all records for Jury Reality TV”

    to be contd

    • media_lush

      re Kirstie The Hutt’s tweets tonight….. she’s being handled! [lulz]

      • Tory Christman

        Kirstie…while you were busy tweeting tonight, a few of us actually had a picket in your name, trying to find you to give you the award you were awarded at the West Coast SP Party, Aug 24th for Scientology SHILL of the Year. We’ll keep trying, just as you keep tweeting. You are doing a *great* job of showing why you got this very award!

        • Nevermore

          Hahahahahahahaha – she’ll swell up like a poisoned toad when she hears that!

          • Gregory Nietsky

            Can she swell any further ??

            • Nevermore

              With all that yoyo dieting, there must be plenty of loose skin hanging around!

    • 1subgenius

      Although it’s hearsay I googled “Hine”. Cognac. Nice. Enjoy.

    • Nevermore

      I’d watch it – especially if JT gets his big dance number!

  • Bella Legosi

    “My suspicion is that those were people faithful to CSI who were exercising their religious freedoms, Jefferson answered.”
    My mouth dropped in absolute wonderment when I read that! Ummmm its called crazy stalking and I THOUGHT it was illegal, but no apparently it has a religious side so its totally protected by the Constitution!

    Kudos to Tony for being such a good journalist and citizen! I would have definitely have had an “outburst” by that diddy! I haven’t read it all yet. As that statement just amazed me for the sheer arrogance!

  • Bella Legosi

    *”First, Les explained that the Squirrel Busters were not agents of CSI or any church entity. But as for the surveillance of the Rathbuns, “The church is concerned when their orthodoxy has been challenged or corrupted.”—Ok so…..SB totally had nothing to do with CSI they were just crazy members exercising their religious freedoms? lol huh? And since they were on their own and CSI totally had nothing to do with them, why on earth add “The church is concerned when their orthodoxy has been challenged or corrupted.” That to me shows that CSI knew exactly what SB were doing and more then likely “supported” it. WOW lol this Judge must be having fun with this!

    ““The church is concerned when their orthodoxy has been challenged or corrupted.” could that open the door to connecting RTC? If this is so ecclesiastical and orthodoxy is being challenged or corrupted the LEADER ecclesiastically WOULD know about this and deal with it right???? See where I am going?

    • Sunny Sands

      I’d like to see the receipt for the Squirrel Busters’ plane tickets to Texas. I think I know who paid for them.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      indeed follow the money ….

    • Narapoid

      They have been stomping and tripping over their peckers yesterday and especially today. This is lining up to have implications way beyond this case. If the separation of corporations is blown out, the pig is gonna roast.

      I may be ahead of myself, considering CO$ survived Snow White, but I think it is time to start considering what this organization is gonna look like without the little monster.

      • Zana

        I hope hope hope.

    • Room 101

      It’s so very very easily proven that the Squirrel Busters were run DIRECTLY by CSI and Miscavige. Dave Lebow orchestrated and ran the Squirrel Busters. Bert Leahy – who came out publicly after a brief stint as a Squirrel Buster – can testify that Dave Lebow was in charge. Dave Lebow is a PI who regularly takes orders from Kathy True in OSA – and has taken orders from Tommy Davis and the entire OSA network. That is CSI – and it can be proven that RTC directly oversees and operates CSI.

      The statement that they were not agents of CSI is vapid and so easily refuted that it’s ridiculous.

      • Bella Legosi

        I know! That is what makes it so damn frustrating!

        By the language used by Co$ lawyers I am really wondering how big a foot bullet this will become. I am honestly curious as to the statement about “orthodoxy”. That right there says defacto that RTC would have been involved and if RTC was involved Little Boots had to have known about it or condoned it (I believe he knew, but I am not so sure the Judge in question believes this yet).

        I love how they are still playing the “religious” card. That card is sooooo used up it isn’t even funny anymore and may become a liability in the future if they don’t watch it.

  • Bella Legosi

    LOL

    “So it’s not really a church?” Waldrip asks. “They call it the mother church,” Strieber answered.

    Well……jeeez you know who runs MOTHER CHURCHS??? Ecclesiastical LEADERS!!!! wow

    • Zana

      I LOVE that quote. :-)

      • Bella Legosi

        :D lol I am still having a good chuckle! Good thing I wasn’t in that court room!

      • Bella Legosi

        My favorite still is:
        OBJECTION! GOOGLE IS HERESAY!

    • 1subgenius

      “THEY CALL IT the mother church” says their own attorney.
      He did not answer the question.
      He actually spoke the truth. No, it’s not a church, they just call it that.

      • Bella Legosi

        great point!

        • 1subgenius

          Actually a great question by the judge. Questions are often more interesting than any answer. “So” in this context, means that everything the lawyer had said up to that point led to the logical conclusion that it wasn’t a church. Nice lawyering there Lou.
          I would have said, “Certainly it’s a church!”

          That wasn’t so hard.
          It really reflects the lawyer’s ambivalence about it. He sure as shit ain’t convinced it’s a church.

  • DodoTheLaser

    “It appears that he’s being very careful, and wants to think things over before making decisions.”

    That and I bet Judge Waldrip decided to read a book or two and it’s not Dianetics.

  • Bella Legosi

    So……has anyone heard of Heber possibly being deposed or involved? I just thought of that when I read my earlier comment about ecclesiastical leaders…………Heber is still president of CSI is he not? That would be very interesting if the judge wanted to know about Heber.

    • Zana

      Wow. That would throw a new plot-point into this amazing drama. A total spin.

      • Bella Legosi

        Yes it would. I am surprised he has been kept out of it. I haven’t been in the loop much lately but I haven’t come across him being named for anything. I reserve the right to be wrong. But that did come to mind.

        I wonder what will pop up when ol Judge googles Heber’s name! Oh boy o boy…….Have fun reading Waldrip! I hope he finds some good information!

        • Zana

          I agree. ! This gets better and better every day! Here it is the middle of the night and I’m reading the whole thing over again. We’re watching the Titanic go over the iceberg.

          • Bella Legosi

            It’s starting to crack that is for sure. The question is will the herd finally realize that their Captain is leading them into an ice berg or straight up mutiny and make the little Captain Bligh walk the plank to save themselves and what very little credibility anything L Ron has?

    • EnthralledObserver

      It strikes me that neither David Makemerich, nor the multitude of legal representatives, have looked past getting DM and RTC off the hook… what then? Can Heber be trusted with chucking himself under the bus? I can’t imagine, should Ray Jefferey have to concede letting DM and RTC go, that they wouldn’t do everything in their power to then talk to Heber, at least.

      • Zana

        I’m hoping that judge is doing some serious reading and thinking this weekend to see how he can connect the dots and legally hang them all up on the line so that everyone sees everything. All the underwear on the clothesline in the front yard.

      • Narapoid

        You said it! I double dog dare them to put Heber on the stand and out into the public.

        Miscavige wouldn’t dare tempt what that poor old soul might do or say.

        The little monster wouldn’t dare.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Nothing yet, but I’m sure COB “who has nothing to do with it and is too busy opening ideal orgs everywhere”, would not think twice about throwing Heber under the bus in order for the whole thing to go away. If there’s a flap/problem in scientology, there always an escape goat appointed to take the hit, whether they are actually guilty of it or not (most of the time they are not guilty). It sucks to be scientologist.

      • Bella Legosi

        It is total close rank and say “it was for the good of the many” type mentality that I simply can not abide! It does indeed suck being a $cientologist!

        But at least the mention or possible deposition of Heber would make the church release him into the world. It wouldn’t be much surrounded by Little Boot goons but it has to beat The Hole. The man in well into his 70’s! See my comment to Zana below

        • 0tessa

          Hopefully he seizes then the opportunity to escape.

    • Bella Legosi

      “During the 1970s, Jentzsch became the public relations director of the Church’s later-notorious Guardian’s Office, serving as the Church’s chief press spokesman.” ==THis was taken from wikipedia. So here we have CSI involved in a case of harassment. The $cilon lawyers have already discussed GO and Snow White. I really really wonder now if anyone is going to jump on this Heber thing.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Who would be Davey Makemerich’s legal successor should he be able to be toppled?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Not going to happen, imo.
      All the farce and facade is really a camouflaged swan song of the whole entire shindig.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Maybe… I’m not sure $cientology can survive anyway, its psychosis is all Makemerich, and without that psychosis there can be NO $cientology (services or organisations), but I was just curious about just WHO would be the legal successor, should it ever matter.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Hubbard, when he comes back from Target 2.

          • EnthralledObserver

            hahaha… thanks for being {helpful}, bud.
            Are those two just going to keep taking turns…???? :p

            • DodoTheLaser

              Yep :)

            • EnthralledObserver

              {Brilliant}

            • DodoTheLaser

              LOL Ok, Tom Cruise is the 3rd in command and as a Big Being has a chance to inherit the whole mess. Somehow I doubt he will go for it.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Despite his claims of being ‘Big Being’ number 3, I doubt that it is in the legal sense. I’m imagining it is Heber, or that guy who is head of RTC… er, I forget his name for the moment… or would be someone else entirely. Which entity, and who currently heads it up, is supposed to have that role? Or is it meant to be a board of representatives from every org and they need to vote on every issue?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Heber is/was a President of CoS, which is a phony PR/facade post.
              Guillaume is/was ED Int of CoS, which used to be less phony post.
              Both of the above were declared SPs and spent years in the Hole.
              Still there probably.

              COB is RTC, is CoS, is IAS – the whole thing.
              I reserve the right to be wrong or underinformed.

            • EnthralledObserver

              So what you are saying is that despite those ‘missing’ few that ‘might’ have legally been in the successor position, and are even still on the books as being in those positions, that Davey Makemerich hasn’t replaced anyone in those roles, even behind the scenes, and literally DOES everything himself – so there’s literally no one to step up, even if he suddenly had a stroke from the stress Monique is inflicting upon him????
              Hmmm…

            • DodoTheLaser

              Yes, that is the existing scene, I think.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Well, fuck me… how do we make a bid for this thing then? I wanna have a crack.

            • DodoTheLaser

              It’s no one’s business and a bunch of beautiful PR, you see.

              COB has tons of money and nothing to worry about, sort of.
              He’s got top lawyers, IRS agreement, his little empire and what not.

              Too bad there is a little thing called the Internet.

              Also, more and more people leaving scientology.
              And speaking out about abuses and false promises, etc.

              That’s all.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I still reckon the guy will stroke out within the next few years… he’s high strung anyway, and this constant pressure on him can’t be helping…
              I’m happy to go partnerships with some others… can’t do all that Ideal org reopening again, and again, ALL by myself. Have to give Makemerich props for that. ;)

            • DodoTheLaser

              Now you just speaking as a good Mom. With a wicked sense of humor. :)

            • EnthralledObserver

              :)
              I’d love to take this empire and divide it all up and give it back to those who have been harmed or have wasted years in it. I’ll only keep a million or two for myself, promise. ;)

            • DodoTheLaser

              :)

            • Robert Eckert

              Like Putin and Medvedev.

  • Jo
  • Gregory Nietsky

    shoop idea …. Chuck AKA texas ranger “Are you picking a fight with Texas law” ….

    kudos for TO dealing with the fascist mentality in the deputies

  • marti

    Will Judge Waldrip be fair gamed?

    • DodoTheLaser

      It depends.

    • Nevermore

      Part of me thinks ‘nah, they’re not THAT stupid’, part of me KNOWS they are, and there’s a little bit of me that feels guilty for hoping they try something…

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Never under estimate the power of stupid …

        energy cannot be created or destroyed but stupidity is a perpetual motion machine

      • Michael Hobson

        It doesn’t matter at all whether “they” are THAT stupid. It only matters whether Darth Midget is THAT stupid.

    • 1subgenius

      In my opinion, no.
      But I bet they know more about him than he does.

      • DodoTheLaser

        The profound irony goes deep.

    • Room 101

      I think they’ve been forced to pull back on their harassment due to the insane amount of media and public backlash they’ve received over the last 2 years. I highly doubt they’d be so stupid as to fair game such a crucial person as a judge in this case, but who knows? They surprise me every day.

  • Nevermore

    Well, I wonder if Tony spent the evening in the bar, or in a cell?? We’ll find out in a couple of hours, I suppose! ;-)

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Do they serve burbon in the cells ??

      • Nevermore

        I doubt it!

        • 1subgenius

          Pretty sure that was rhetorical.

          • Nevermore

            I know. I let my joy at not having any methotrexate side effects today go to my head!

    • 0tessa

      As long as he has his laptop!

      • 1subgenius

        That wouldn’t happen.

      • Nevermore

        He wouldn’t even have a belt. Or shoelaces!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Ray Jeffrey cutting it down to the Sea Org before a judge was a smart move.
    Every scientologist knows that the Sea Org is the elite of scientology.
    COB happened to be in charge of the Sea Org.

    That cuts straight through the web of corporate entities and confusing lies.

    Will it work in legal arena? I don’t know.

    Is it obvious who is who and what is what to everyone else with a half a brain?

    I sure hope so.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      analogy is perhaps the catholics they a “splintered” bunch on the surface but all report to cardinals [SO] and they in turn report to pope [Davey Mc Midget]

      • Sputnik

        The more accurate analogy would be when the New York Mafia split into the Five Families who each report to The Commission.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Is that not where RICO originated could it be used on the church ?? if not now if there tax exempt status is revoked ??

          im accross the pond and “Boardwalk empire”/Sopranos is my knowledge of this

          • 1subgenius

            Could.
            Coulda shoulda woulda.
            There’s also a federal statute that makes it a crime to conspire to harass someone for exercising a constitutional right, gathering dust.

          • Robert Eckert

            Yes, the classic Five Families of the Mafia is the organization RICO was drafted to fight (and they are a shadow of their formal selves), and yes, there has been talk that the statute’s language could be very useful here.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Thank you, Sputnik.

        • 1subgenius

          Nah. The Families are pretty autonomous. Not so in CoS.

      • 1subgenius

        Nah.

    • 1subgenius

      As someone previously pointed out (Michael T. methinks) every Scientologist KNOWS that McSavage runs everything.
      So if and when they seem them in court denying that, it’s gonna fuck with what’s left of their brains.
      inb4″if”isthebigthinghere

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes. It’s just a matter of time. And the clock is ticking.

        • shasha40

          Tick, Tock , Davey ! :-D ( that’s not laughter , it’s a shit eating grin !)

      • Robert Eckert

        “If” is the big thing here.

        • 1subgenius

          I’m not so sure. See what I did there?

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Suggestion – Let’s be extra nice to Davey as this is probably a very trying time for him. We don’t want to him to ‘perceive’ any ill will.
    http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/11/scientology-asks-for-judges-help-because-you-were-so-mean-to-brian-culkin/

    • shasha40

      Speak for yourself , I want him to perceive massive amounts of ill will that he has earned by treating so many with ill will. It will at least make some of us feel a Whole lot better ! Besides , who do you think we learned from ? Hint : Tiny dick

  • 1subgenius

    Put on your high heeled sneakers Leah, cause you’re blown for good.
    Check out the kicks.

  • Gregory Nietsky

    for a few atto seconds lets forget about this case [win , loose or push] look at the “fringe” there is not much win here for $sciloons if they win and even get awarded costs [exceptionally unlikely] they will strut like peacocks but …

    1)it will be on record that they have the right to harass stalk you and prank you if you leave some will think 2 before taking a personality test
    2)its brought out the “riff raff” who were/are unaffiliated like myself found a new flow of entertainment from the churches perspective anon has just got bigger and more active

    3)google is showing more and more black PR from the “fringes” bloggers are reporters but without the shackles MSM has where worried about blowback from a story that has small reach. the result is more and more MSM and worse still the broadsheets report not directly on Co$ but on the bloggers rehashing TO/UB/….. is less liability to them.

    it just gets a crap load worse if they do not come away clean even a permanant injunction with no award will be a big PR blunder for the faithfull i suspect this is the absolute min outcome that the judge makes the order perm with no payout ….

    not much to look forward to as a $ciloon where is the win the OT planet clearing powers ….

    expect a bunch of Idle Morgues to shoot up in obscure places arround the globe china india …. any where someone will forget …

    more popcorn in our futures ….

    • Room 101

      Good points, but I actually think they have a remarkably high chance of winning after trial – monetary plus costs covered.

      The amount of bad PR and rankings for these “fringe” blogs has inundated the search engines. The Church will never be able to clean it up.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        i agree they have a high chance playing devils advocate should they “loose” they stil win and a bag of fail for Co$ no win here

  • EnthralledObserver

    Okay, Tony… can we get this new story up pronto… three of my girls have gymnastics competition tomorrow starting at 8am, and there is hair to do, etc, etc, etc… I have to have an earlier night for once. Cheers, bud. :)

    • EnthralledObserver

      Ooohh… I got burned… I should have said “please”.

      • i-Betty

        Lol! It MUST have been an accident, surely? :D

        And good luck to the girls!

  • DodoTheLaser

    If I were a judge, I would wonder why the defendant is represented with 15 lawyers and if it’s supposed to impress and possibly intimidate me, as a judge.

    • Bella Legosi

      If I was the judge I would have been thrown out of the case due to my bias. lol I wouldn’t wonder why a “church” has 15 lawyers. I would know that 1. The “church” obviously can seriously afford attorneys 2. The “church” must have something to hide or “protect” with that many lawyers 3. Seeing that many lawyers would really turn me off as a judge. I would wonder why something so simple as a restraining order necessitates 15 highly paid attorneys. And when they opened their mouths? Oh boy! I am very glad this judge seems to have some common sense (“How can something that is false be confidential?” or “So it isn’t really a church?” LOL). Boy is this guy getting a crash course in $cientology. I am happy that Co$ was so polite in introducing the Bunker into court record.

      Welcome Judge or Clerk! Have fun with the information Mr. Ortega has so graciously provided to the world thru this blog! Many of us do not like $cientology theology, but all of us are against the Church of $cientology’s disregard of the law of the land, human rights, and obscene legal stalking and litigation! Please please please weigh this case objectively! Do not succumb to harassment or intimidation! Should you experience any harassment and intimidation I hope one question comes to mind, “If this ‘church’ is totally innocent of the charges in question, as well as the named Defendants; why am I being watched, followed, or investigated?” Your doubt is VALID!!!!

  • Peter C Hoffman

    Tony gets to have all the fun.

  • DodoTheLaser

    It’s pretty educational to watch lawyers talking in front of the judge, but whatever law says we can’t see Monique and her testimony is not right, imo. How is it even fair?

  • Room 101

    The daughter of David Miscavige’s twin sister – Denise Gentile(whom was found with weed and driving drunk early this year, along with dealing in drugs with shady tenants) – has quite the arrest record, too. She’s on probation right now for felony grand theft and dealing in stolen property. DM’s family is all types of messed up it seems.
    http://pcsoweb.com/InmateBooking/Inquiry.aspx

  • Don Lastname

    Does David Miscavage punch lawyers?