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DRONE FLYOVER: Scientology’s secret ranch where L. Ron Hubbard departed this Earth

MV4Hubbard

 
Two weeks ago, an anonymous drone pilot gave us a view of Scientology’s secretive international management base (“Int Base”) that we’d never seen before. Then, last week, he flew us over the even more secret “CST” headquarters compound in the mountains above Los Angeles, where we believe Scientology leader David Miscavige stashed away his wife Shelly eleven years ago.

Today, we’re getting yet another video vantage point that’s never been seen before. It’s a drone flyover of L. Ron Hubbard’s last earthly coordinates before he left his body and this planet to continue, Scientologists say, his research into creation’s ultimate secrets, unimpeded by a physical body.

Today’s amazing drone footage takes us over the Whispering Winds ranch near Creston, California, where Hubbard spent his final few years in total seclusion before he departed this planet at 8 pm on January 24, 1986.

We’re going to take you to the exact spot where that occurred, something even most Scientologists — church members or independents — have never seen.

So we’ll try to keep the J&D at a minimum today as we get a close look at what should be one of the holiest sites in the Scientology universe — and yet is not marked with a monument or any other marker that we can see.

The ranch is located about 20 miles south and east of Paso Robles. We’ve put together this map to orient you, showing the other locations we’ve visited with the help of the anonymous drone pilot over the last couple of weeks…

 
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Now take a look at these flyovers. We found the second one to be particularly striking. If Hubbard means a lot to you, this can’t help but impact you in a big way, we figure.

Remember to go full screen to soak up the incredible detail of the 4k camera.

 

 
From 1986 to 1987, former Sea Org worker and LRH chef Sinar Parman lived at the ranch. He provided some signposts for us to help orient us and explain what we’re looking at.

In this first screenshot from the second flyover, the drone is approaching the ranch from the east, and coming up is the oval horse track with the CST logo carved into it — two interlocking rings, with smaller diamonds inside.

 
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Those symbols weren’t there when Sinar lived there. They came later, at least after 1994, according to the most recent photo of the horse track we could find that didn’t feature the symbol.

 
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What are the symbols for? In 2012, former CST employee Dylan Gill explained to us that the symbols are meant to help guide Hubbard back home when he returns to earth.

“That’s where LRH is supposed to go when he returns,” Gill says. Once Hubbard adopts a new body, he’s expected to make his way to one of the CST bases. “That’s where he’s supposed to be raised and be taken care of,” Gill says. “So the symbol is a way for a spirit to find its way back to where it belongs.”

And he added that of all the secret CST locations, it was the ranch at Creston that they believed was the most likely place where LRH would return, since he had “died” there in 1986. (Like other CST locations, the ranch’s location is kept secret from Scientologists who aren’t part of the small CST staff. But unlike the other CST compounds, this one doesn’t have an underground vault.)

There’s also a belief in the Sea Org (though not all former members agree) that Hubbard would be given the standard 21-year break between lives. By that reckoning, he’d be a 9-year-old child by now. Anyone seen a little red-headed kid hanging around the ranch these days? (Sunny Pereira says the 21-year break refers to coming back to the Sea Org, so the new Hubbard would be 30 years old, but a 9-year Sea Org member in his new body. How many 9-year veterans are there in the Sea Org? And is David Miscavige having them all sec-checked constantly just in case? Fascinating.)

When Sinar lived there in the year after Hubbard died, he says the place was greener, and it was the home to many animals. “Bison, cattle, a Black Angus bull for breeding, llamas, ducks, geese, and swan (white and black), all in the various pastures around the property,” he says.

The drone heads over to the west end of the property, and then circles back until it’s directly over the horse stables and bunkhouse, a U-shaped structure…

 
crestondrone2

 
The circular shape on the left is an exercise pen for the horses, Sinar says. The stables, with bunkhouse and kitchen, is the U-shaped building at the top. At the bottom of the picture, you see two of the three outbuildings that Sinar says were double-wide trailers for crew quarters and dining.

And now, the drone takes us in for a closer view…

 
crestondrone3

 
According to the San Luis Obispo County sheriff’s official report, deputies found the Bluebird motor home that Hubbard used as quarters parked next to the stables. They entered it along with Hubbard’s personal physician, Dr. Gene Denk.

We entered the motorhome, which was in immaculate condition and observed the deceased laying in a bed in the back of the motorhome. The air conditioner was running in the
motorhome. We then went to the back of the motorhome where the deceased was lying and made a visual observation of him. We did not detect any evidence of foul play. Dr. Denk advised us that Mr. Hubbard had a stroke approximately one week prior to his death, and that the cause of death was from the stroke.

The drone hovers over this spot for a moment. Sinar confirms that the parking area, to the right side of the U-shaped stables, was where the Bluebird was parked. That bare patch of earth, with no marker, is where L. Ron Hubbard breathed his last.

And Sinar told us it wasn’t the only vehicle parked in that spot. There was a 5th wheel trailer that Pat and Annie Broeker called home.

“There was also another Airstream trailer parked in a row. It was the music trailer, with organ, synths, drums, etc. In it, I believe, that’s where he recorded ‘Thank you for Listening’.”

Sinar described the situation in Hubbard’s last days, when Pat Broeker was generally away, Denk had come to stay, and the ranch caretaker was Steve “Sarge” Pfauth, who recently died. “Sarge lived in the bunkhouse. Then Gene came and he lived in the 5th wheel, and Annie moved to the bunkhouse. Sarge slept on the [bunkhouse] couch.”

After this look at Hubbard’s final rodeo, the drone passes over to the LRH House itself, where it’s hoped that the Commodore will return some day to live and prepare to take over the Church of Scientology again…

 
crestondrone4

 
And then the drone gives us a pretty thrilling look at the horse track, the CST logo, and the observation tower in the middle.

 
crestondrone5

 
Wow, that’s some view. Thank you again, anonymous drone pilot.

 
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Scientology talk in the wee hours tonight

After last week’s technical snafu, we’re going to try again tonight with some late-night radio hijinks. At midnight tonight on the west coast — and yes, that translates to three in the morning where we are — we’ll be going on the radio to talk with none other than Richard C. Hoagland. The former fixture at Coast to Coast radio has his own show he calls “The Other Side of Midnight.”

We’ve done several radio shows that are of a, shall we say, speculative nature, and we find that the hosts are always very fascinated to get some real information about Scientology. While we may not ascribe to Hoagland’s astronomical notions, we have a feeling it’s going to be fun to talk Hubbard and Miscavige with him. Please tune in, if you’ve had like a dozen cups of coffee or something.

 
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About that ‘My Scientology Movie’ cancellation

Last night alarm bells went off around the various forums about Louis Theroux’s My Scientology Movie being pulled from the Port Townsend Film Festival. The festival organizers themselves said the film was pulled by Magnolia Pictures, the movie’s American distributor. Naturally, that caused some worry — was the film under a legal onslaught from Scientology?

Well, we heard back from the Theroux camp that the film being pulled was an unfortunate result of a contract glitch between the BBC (which produced the film) and Magnolia, and that it had nothing to do with outside forces (i.e. Scientology lawyers, etc.).

So we will hope this was just an unfortunate event that won’t affect the film’s opening in the UK next month and the US in January.

If we hear differently, we’ll let you know.

 
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Ebner and the Upright Citizens Brigade moon the Hollywood Celebrity Centre

Our old friend Mark Ebner recently had fun talking about Scientology with the Upright Citizens Brigade in Hollywood — and right across the street from the Hollywood Celebrity Centre itself.

The result has been uploaded to Nerdist.com as the Hound Tall podcast, and you might get a chuckle or two from it.

Next time, let Ebner finish a sentence, you comedians!

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on September 21, 2016 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Vault Digger

    Operation Snowflake?

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Noooo, he did not just claim that technical glitches happen when he talks about controversial things???!!!

    • Frodis73

      lol, these people are everywhere!! help me, please…i cannot take it.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Just breathe, Frodis, and enjoy the sound stylings of Gordon Lightfoot.

      • stanrogers

        You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Frod.

    • LongtimeLurker

      !ELPEEHS PU EKAW .hturt eht eldnah t’nac uoY

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Stop it or I’ll spray vinegar on you!

        Wait, I think I’m getting my conspiracies confused.

  • What’sup

    lulz

  • PappeKak

    Only show on main stream media with loose telephone in background for ambience.

    • What’sup

      I think it”s just a guy sitting in a tree fort, can and twine in hand.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I would believe that.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Did he say that Scientology put a rattlesnake in a mailbox? That was Synanon not CO$. ERG!

  • LongtimeLurker

    Preparing for massive influx of regular Hoagland listeners to The Bunker in 3…2…1…

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Well, don’t summon them, thank you.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’m part of the anti-NWO/NWO/Lizard People conspiracy you fools!

        I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN!

    • Vault Digger

      Leave the tinfoil hats by the door

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    OK, what is he trying to get at by continually saying he doesn’t understand how such a small organization could have such pull? Is he trying to say they’re on to something?

    • LongtimeLurker

      He’s saying they’re part of “the conspiracy” I suspect.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Well, he just said that NASA has validated Hubbard’s claims about past lives, so clearly he was onto something. Poor TO.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Oh. My mistake. He’s crazier than I thought.

  • Vault Digger

    Ancient ruins? SMH

  • PappeKak

    Now the weird begins. Ancient civilizations on mars, etc.

  • What’sup

    WHAT A DOLT!

    • LongtimeLurker

      What? Tell me.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Tony, I dare you to ask him about chemtrails and spraying vinegar to disperse them.:D

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Noooooo!!!

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Yessss!!!! This guy is hilarious.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Oh man. It’s so painful, though.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Nice. That’s my favorite.

  • What’sup

    hearing a little annoyance in our mans voice

    • YellowSubmarine

      you’re just cherry-picking 🙂

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      He handled it well, but yeah.

  • OOkpik

    Hoagland changes subject to ??? again.
    Tony: “Aaaah… ” Nudges him back on topic.

    • PappeKak

      It’s a hard row to hoe. Go TonyO!

      • OOkpik

        Hmmm, poetic.. 🙂

  • Jack99

    “Belgium! Did you know a Belgian telescope has shown ruins on Venus?”

    • LongtimeLurker

      What else are the Belgians hiding?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Elvis, probably.

  • Vault Digger

    How do you call a guy a kook with out him being offended?

  • Frodis73

    Poor Tony…smh. He kicked ass though and handled this guy well.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Tony, Ask Hoagland if the moon landing was faked or not. 😀

    • Vault Digger

      Please no.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Actually, iirc, he thinks it wasn’t and people who believe that are stupid.

      How’s that for…irony?…something…

      • TheMirrorThetan

        That makes him even funnier. LOL.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Ikr?

  • YellowSubmarine

    SCOOP!! Audiobook of Miss Lovely available for pre order *and the crowd goes wild*

    • Vault Digger

      “Buy two get a free roll of tin foil for your listeners. Enter the code ALIENRUINS on checkout”

  • OOkpik

    News about the audio version of Miss Lovely!
    Will be available in one week.
    JOY

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Audible Miss Lovely about to be released!

  • Jack99

    Roswell?!?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Yeah, how did we get to that?

    • YellowSubmarine

      _Identical_ situation! 🙂

  • What’sup

    If you shut up you might get some answers.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      But not the ones he wants.

      • PappeKak

        Yes. TonyO won’t go there without a fight. And TonyO would not lose.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Shout out to Len Z!

  • What’sup

    SLAP……….WORLDSTAR!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Lol.

  • OOkpik

    TO speaks of Ron Miscavige Jr.’s book and that Scientologists actually ESCAPE Scientology’s prison-like environments.
    Hoagland is incredulous.

    • Robert Eckert

      I mean, there’s some things that he finds too hard to believe!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Oh gods, coming back from the break with questions from listeners. I don’t know if I can hold on…

    • Frodis73

      I was thinking the same thing…Law and Order rerun is very tempting. lol

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I would like to know what epic quips Det. Briscoe would have about this guy.

  • Frodis73

    Oh I bet these questions from this dude’s audience will be…um, interesting.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I can’t. Even. Imagine.

    • Jack99

      Is Tom Cruise gay?

    • Vault Digger

      How many thetans can fit on the tip of a needle?

    • PappeKak

      I’ve only hears the show a couple of times but it gets pretty weird. And it’s embarrassing to listen to.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I hope Marty rings in.

      • Frodis73

        Or Oracle or the mmc…however they spell their name. They can ask about sheep dipped records!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Yeah, I don’t know if I can handle more Tin Hatters. Especially sober.

  • Vault Digger

    I am heading into the show archives to gain some more insights…only joking, I’m not a masochist.

  • PappeKak

    Now I need some pink juice. Explecsis or something.

    • OOkpik

      Will Pepto Bismol be OK?

      • PappeKak

        Neat.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Question about SMP…I feel like we’re going to start with the softballs (read: normal questions) and then work our way up to the crazy.

  • What’sup

    Trematina, decent question

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Don’t get used to it.

  • OOkpik

    Now, Tony talks about CST.

  • PappeKak

    OH OH. Tony gave out a link. Expect them.

  • OOkpik

    Oooh. More drone footage coming up soon on the Bunker.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Why doesn’t scientology create its own space program? That one came from Hoagland.

    EDIT:: TO’s answer was hilarious, though.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I think we can all agree that Kirstie should be the first clam to go! AMIRITE

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I nominate Masterson as her co-pilot.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Jenna Elfman & Tommy Davis as navigators!

          ETA: Make that both Elfmans. It would be cruel to leave Bodhi behind. Cruel to us wog earthlings, that is!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I feel our next Go Fund Me campaign happening…

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Neighhhhh!

      • What’sup

        Now Jason Lee’s gone, sure why not.

    • PappeKak

      Answer: It’s pretty difficult to get any real lift with flatulence.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Tells me!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I forget the verbatim but it something like, “Well, they get to fly around space in their minds.” And Hoagland basically responded, “Fair enough.”

        • LongtimeLurker

          Gold. Thank you, sorry for distracting you.

  • OOkpik

    TO speaks of abortions, Laura, slave labor.
    Tony really packs a lot of info in a short time.

  • Frodis73

    NOOO!!! Not Stanley!!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Yeah, what the hell??!! What was that business about Kubrick being murdered and Eyes Wide Shut and…whaaaat???

      • Frodis73

        I thought he was going to bring up the thing I read below that LL posted about him and Stanley both having heart attacks and SK dying 666 days before the new year or that shit. LOL. What a LOON!!!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          No. NOOOOOO!! He really…?? Never mind, why am I surprised.

      • LongtimeLurker

        He had a cardiac event on the same day Kubrick died.

    • YellowSubmarine

      Was Hoagland angling at a conspiracy theory around his death and the release of Eyes Wide Shut?

      • Frodis73

        see my reply to 5 ft.

      • What’sup

        He helped fake the moon landings.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Carelessly, apparently. Despite being one of the most notorious perfectionists in history.

  • OOkpik

    Now disconnection.
    Homophobia too.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Tony hung up?!?
      .
      .
      I see what I did there.

      • OOkpik

        Groan
        😉

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Hoagland says Helen Mirren as Paulette if there’s every a movie version of her life. Sanest thing he’s said all night.

    • stanrogers

      Sanest thing he’s said all night decade. FTFY.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        After hearing him these last 2 hours, I believe that.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Lurker love Dame Helen.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Lurker have good taste. She’s a fucking babe.

  • PappeKak

    TonyO is a very kind man. I like that. Great interview despite the crazy.

  • What’sup

    I really hope TUML gets a movie treatment…..Screenplay by Skip Press?

    • YellowSubmarine

      It’s a thrilling story, I bet it would be a huge success

    • LongtimeLurker

      Seconded.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Screenplay by Paul Haggis.

      • What’sup

        Oh yeah ,that’s much better.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Oh lawd, Hoagland left it wondering what ancient knowledge is really in those CST vaults. I’m spent.

    • YellowSubmarine

      That was a weird ending

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        And yet, perfectly fitting.

        • PappeKak

          In a weird way. Not good weird, just weird.

          • YellowSubmarine

            Well that was my first and last time listening to Hoaxland

    • Frodis73

      I have an idea…are there any female consp theorists? Is there a female David Icke out there that I am not aware of? If not, we could start our own YT channel and write a book and make some money off these idjits. We can make any claims we want because facts and logic just dont enter the pic for these folks. I mean they already believe there are aliens living on the moon, Mars, Europa, etc. It could be fun too!

      • stanrogers

        Plenty, unfortunately. You could start with Nancy Leider and work your way out from there.

        • Frodis73

          Bummer. I have never heard any of those names…they are just not as well known as Icke and Jones. I bet they could still use some competition and I bet 5 ft and I would kick ass. LOL. Id probably be certifiable after a few months but hey…for the lulz and the cash it might be worth it.

          • stanrogers

            You might remember her as the woman who told people to kill their pets in preparation for the 2003 Planet X encounter. (Many did.)

            • Frodis73

              Holy shit, I missed that. I am heading to bed, but I am going to google that in the am. SMH…in horror!!

      • PappeKak

        Kerry Cassidy. Google and look on youtube.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Girl, ain’t no way I’d ever have the patience for those special snowflakes!

        • Frodis73

          Yes, I just said below I’d prob be certifiable after a few months.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Not even sure it would take me that long to crack!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, there were females on that Conspira-Sea Cruise: http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/a21919/conspiracy-theory-cruise/

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Wait, let me ask my e-meter what is in those vaults…
      (refresh)
      https://noadventure.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/bullshit.jpg

      • LongtimeLurker

        Off the scale!

  • PappeKak

    I wonder how Hoagland would react if OSA paid him a little visit. Would he fold? Or would he be bold?

    • Frodis73

      It would just feel all his paranoid delusions about the world even further. OSA–do it!!

  • Tony Ortega

    That was interesting.

    • PappeKak

      Good job, TonyO.

    • YellowSubmarine

      Well done though 🙂

    • What’sup

      Well played mate.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Aliens!

    • YellowSubmarine

      Please find out what ancient knowledge Scientology is hiding 🙂

    • Just got here… someone has a link to the podcast? i guess this was live.

      • Frodis73

        You have to be a subscriber to listen to past broadcasts.

    • OOkpik

      Sure was!

    • LongtimeLurker

      hahahaha.

      Man, your life…

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Courtesy of LongtimeLurker, posting higher upthread for those like me who are new to the alien crazy Hoagland: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Hoagland

    In the list of claims he’s made, though, this one’s my personal fave:
    “I coined the phrase “On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog”” (actually New Yorker cartoonist Peter Steiner did.)

    • stanrogers

      There’s a lot more at http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com if you’re interested. (Edited to fix link. The site is Exposing Pseudoastronomy by Stuart Robbbins.)

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I don’t know if I can handle it right now.

      • Frodis73

        That link is dead…I think this might be the one you were looking for…
        https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/

        • stanrogers

          Got in there ahead of you, but thanks, you’re right.

    • Frodis73

      Worth reposting…these folks will totally believe anything you say to them!!

      • stanrogers

        Even (to borrow a Flandersism) if it contradicts the other stuff.

  • Vault Digger

    An apt Wikipedia article: Apophenia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

    • Mockingbird

      For Scientology

  • OOkpik

    Tony handled this interview masterfully, as usual, and did a pretty fine job of tempering Hoagland’s inclination to seek woo at every turn.

    TO is so much fun to listen to, which bodes well for the audio version of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, being released very soon. (Read about it in this morning’s post.)

    Thank you, Tony. I enjoyed the sheezit out of it.

    • Frodis73

      I am glad I woke up for it. Tony rocks at this stuff, and this one was extra tricky!

  • Frodis73

    I am off back to bed Bunkeroos. Maybe I will dream of faces on the moon or our alien/lizard overlords tonight. Smooches to all of you!! G’night!

  • LongtimeLurker

    I pre-typed a bunch of angry, insulting comments that called out everyone here for being so dismissive of Richard and his listeners.

    I was going to register a new Disqus account as one of the ‘Hoaglanders’ and take us all on a tinfoil-hatted thrill ride.

    I went and got pizza instead. You all owe me.

    • OOkpik

      Pffftt!
      We OWN you.
      <3

      • LongtimeLurker

        It’s true. It’s true.

    • I wonder of those people are vulnerable to the appeal of Scientology, or immune.

      They certainly believe strange things without apparent effort – but I suspect they would draw the line at being told what to think. Argument and invention (however invalid) is so much a part of this sub-culture I think they would hate Scientology because it is so controlling.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I would never have considered that, but I think you’re spot on.

        It’s one thing to peruse a photo and decide that you agree there’s some kind of alien base on the moon, it’s entirely another for someone to tell you the secret is XYZ, it’s always XYZ, and there’s no room for your input thanks.

        • Yes… a large part of the appeal seems to be arguing over whether it’s run by the Greys (who are trying to help us) or the Lizard people (who secretly control us) or exiled Nazis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky or… whatever.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Do I have to pick just one?

            • No. You can do a remix and work in some of your own themes. Some of your fellows will commend you for original thinking and ‘debate’ the questions raised. That’s another part of the appeal.

    • OOkpik

      “Even
      after
      all this time
      The sun never says to the earth,

      “You owe me.”

      Look what happens
      with a love like that –
      it lights the whole
      world.
      — Hafiz (Sufi poet – 1300 AD)
      🙂

  • JaxNGold

    Can’t sleep well. The worst!
    T – 90 minutes til next post…
    😍

  • LongtimeLurker

    To everyone still up, I can’t recommend RationalWiki highly enough as a starting point for exploring Hoagland and his fellow travellers.

    Its pithy, funny and informative.

    In fact I recommend RationalWiki for…pretty much everything…

    It started as a Conservapedia watchdog site (you know, those guys who are retranslating The Bible because it’s too ‘liberal’).

    • Vault Digger

      The article on BS is particularly helpful:

      The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.

      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bullshit

      • LongtimeLurker

        Oooooh.

        That’s so true, isn’t it?

  • Dave Reams

    Miss Lovely, Ruthless, Fair Game, Blue Sky, Bare Faced Messiah, Scandal of Scientology, A to Xenu, … One day Amazon will package all of these and market them agressively as “The Basics”

  • ToadallyBoss

    I would hope that law enforcement is making good use of these videos. I’d love to see Federal SWAT and FBI kicking in doors, ordering the shitting kidnapping criminals to the ground at gunpoint, and taking every one of these shitting crooks in to custody.

  • MrDobalina242

    Sorry if already mentioned but when watching the vids look for the gear in lower right corner and make sure it has the 4k symbol. A lot of time YT defaults to 1080 (HD) at full screen and you aren’t getting the super detail. Make sure the gear is set to 2160, then it will reload the 4k version. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/393291f9178ad01e48db7c78b7de24c2f413c20aaed465aee434c038de5f8fa6.jpg