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Leah Remini’s Scientology series opens with a gut-wrenching story of ‘disconnection’


[Rinder and Remini, on the case]

Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, the A&E series that begins airing Tuesday night at 10 pm, opens with Leah Remini talking directly to you against a black background.

It’s an unusual start for a show that wants to explain itself as it goes along. Throughout the first hour of the series, Leah narrates almost as much about how and why she’s doing the program as what’s happening on screen. We found this quality of self-awareness to be one of the episode’s strengths.

And in order to explain how we got here, Leah quickly fills in viewers on her background in Scientology, how she became disaffected, and how she left the church and then wrote a book about it, her bestselling 2015 memoir, Troublemaker.

But getting herself out of Scientology (with her family thankfully intact) didn’t end the questions she had about the organization that had treated her as one of its shining celebrities. (Cue fun archival footage of the King of Queens star giving earnest testimonials about Scientology at Celebrity Centre galas from the past.) Going public with her defection only put her in contact with many more people who had suffered from their association with the organization.

Publishing a book wasn’t enough. Even though she had spoken out, as had so many others just in the last seven years since an epic 2009 Tampa Bay Times series had opened a floodgate of coverage about Scientology, nothing has been done about the organization’s well-documented abuses, and the church continues to split apart families and bully former members who dare to speak up.

So Leah hooks up with her sidekick, the mellifluous Australian who was Scientology’s international spokesman, Mike Rinder, and the avenging duo set off to tell the tales of the victims Scientology has left in its wake.

Their first stop: The Pacific Northwest, where they speak with Amy Scobee and Mat Pesch, two former Scientology “Sea Org” members who are now out of the church and married to each other. Leah also has footage of interviews she did of Amy’s mother, Bonny Elliott, who describes the stunning choice Scientology forced her to make.

If you’ve read Amy’s book, Abuse at the Top, you know that she went to work for Scientology in 1978 at only 14 years of age. And that first year, she says she was raped by a 35-year-old married Sea Org member, who admitted it to his superiors — but the church, Amy says, swept the whole thing under the rug, not even informing her mother. Two years later, at 16, Amy joined the Sea Org herself, signing its billion-year contract. She would go on to become a high-ranking official in the organization, and even ran the Hollywood Celebrity Centre. Her duties included staffing Tom Cruise’s home with Scientologist workers to make sure that Tom was kept in the church’s influence as much as possible.

Like many other Sea Org members, Amy was eventually found deficient in some way, and she was then shipped off to the Rehabilitation Project Force, Scientology’s harrowing prison program. It was while in the RPF that she met Pesch, and she credits Mat with finally helping her escape Scientology entirely, in 2005. Four years later, Amy was part of the group of former top officials who spoke to the Tampa Bay Times for its series.

Meanwhile, her mother faced a terrible choice. As a perceived enemy of the church, Amy was declared “suppressive,” and that meant that Bonny would have to “disconnect” from her own daughter if she wanted to stay in the church. And Bonny’s number one motivation for remaining a member was that her husband Mark was still an enthusiastic Scientologist.

Bonny explains in heartbreaking detail how Scientology forced her to make a decision between her husband and her daughter — the two people she loved more than anyone else in the world.

It’s a gut-wrenching segment, and a strong way for Leah to begin her series.

We asked her, for viewers who are as affected by Amy and Bonny’s story as much as we were, what would you like them to take away from that experience? What are you hoping they do about the abuses of Scientology?

“I hope people thinking about leaving Scientology heed Bonny’s advice. And that was, don’t let Scientology or any religion get in the way of your family. I hope people who are considering leaving take the leap. Fight for your family members who are in. Get yourself out,” she told us.

“As for Amy’s story, hers isn’t the first I’ve heard of sexual abuse and the church not doing anything about it. I hope the government agencies get their heads out of their asses and start to look into these allegations of fraud, sexual abuse, and physical abuse. I can only do so much,” she added. “The fact that the church continues to victimize people is diabolical. They, their lawyers, their private investigators, should be ashamed of themselves.”

We think Scientology watchers, whether they’re newbies or oldtimers, will find this to be a surprisingly strong opening episode. We look forward to live-blogging the episode with you on Tuesday night.

(In the interest of full disclosure, we were interviewed on camera for a segment that may or may not be included in the latter part of the series.)


Aaron Smith-Levin talks Scientology with Mike Rinder

They’re back. Rinder and Smith-Levin have put together another video in their “Growing Up in Scientology” series. We asked Aaron for a rundown.

We talked about…

— What were you taught to believe about L. Ron Hubbard’s history that explained why he, and only he, was able to develop Dianetics and Scientology.
— Are Scientologists, as they move up the Bridge, simply being conditioned to be more like Hubbard?
— Did you grow up believing LRH could exteriorize from his body at will, and how did this affect your view of Scientology?
— What was your understanding of “Clearing the Planet” and how such a thing was supposed to happen?
— What were you taught to believe about homosexuality and what Scientology could do about it?
— Why has no one ever been expelled from Scientology for “ethical lapses”?
— What reforms have occurred as a result of former members speaking out about abuses?
— How does Scientology cover up sexual abuse of minors within the organization?
— Does the Church have a legal obligation to report sexual abuse of minors when such abuse is “confessed” in an auditing session?



Chris Shelton on ‘Scientology’


Brian Sheen on the fraud of Scientology

Here’s a second video from Brian Sheen, whom we first wrote about last year




Go here to start making your plans.


3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on November 24, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield


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  • Kim O’Brien

    Aw man . I really wish I was bulemic

  • Phil Jones

    Out hiking in the canyon today with Willie. There were lots of people out walking. At one point there was a guy who called his son, who was wandering a bit too far. The kid’s name was “Marco”. Sure enough, after his dad called his name there were calls of “Polo” echoing down the canyon. Funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time.

  • Mary Smith

    Elle is back with several comments in the Kubrick article comments section–haha

    Paul V. Tupointeau TariAkpodiete β€’ 18 hours ago

    Agreed. Their services cost little to provide, as they are delivered mostly by volunteers. To clarify my point a little, Scientology services have to be paid for “up front” and in full, so if the purchaser backs out, they can be designated “donations” and refund refused. To see what kind of treatment is used, visit tonyortega[dot]org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/ (replace [dot] with a “.” )


    Ortega is not only not an expert, he invents stuff our of whole cloth.

    Paul V. Tupointeau elle β€’ 5 hours ago

    You inspire me, Ellie :-))

    Meanwhile on Teegeeack

    Ms Leah Remini

    Published her book to much glowing acclaim

    Leaving poor Davey to

    Ponder Bulgravia

    Maybe it’s time that he

    Resigned the game

  • Jeb Burton

    Happy Thanksgiving bunkerite hippies! Me and the lady went to Cody’s Roadhouse in Bellaire Bluffs for dinner. We have no family here in Clearwater so we always go out. Our waitress told us she got stiffed on a dinner and we couldn’t believe that. But as she failed to give us several items, horsey sauce, I had to ask for water to go with my martinis three times, she never took the appetizer plates off the table, and it took nearly 20 minutes to get our check, my girl says I think I know why she got stiffed. I still left 20% as I have worked as a server and know that restaurants are slammed on Thanksgiving. She was pissed at me, said she didn’t deserve it. I guess I’m just a bleeding heart.

    • Ella Raitch

      Truth’s out Jeb, ya big softy

      • Jeb Burton

        That hurts.

    • Wait! what about the doggy bag?

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    From: Dr. Ken Delusion, CO Office of Special Affairs International, Funkill and Buzzkill Unit

    Re: Thanksgiving Day Battle Plan

    As you know, wog holidays are an excuse for wogs to be out exchange and not produce. Rather, wogs stuff their meat bodies with more meat, stuffings, vegetables, sauces, cranberries, pies, cakes, pastries, candies, coffee, liqueurs, wines, and alcoholic beverages. Wogs will even smoke marijuana cigarettes in states where marijuana is legal.

    In Scientology, however, we do not dramatize wog holidays nor do we use such holidays as an excuse to slack off on production and gorge our meat bodies with psych-drug-infested turkeys, hams, prime rib, leg of lamb, lobster, or anything from the flesh of pigs who are unclean from tail to snout as are SP’s.

    Therefore, today the menu is rice and beans followed by MEST work on the decks cleaning toilets, floors, and dumpsters.

    We in Scientology cannot be happy today nor can we be lulled into a sense of maudlin sentimentality about “the good ol’ days before we signed up for the Sea Org and life became a nightmare.” Such computations are aberrated and just plain wrong. Your life before the Sea Org was truly awful, meaningless, and was going down the dwindling spiral. Only now that you are Sea Org can you be truly happy.

    Carry on.

    • Phil Jones

      Nudging up to Poe’s law are we? This sounds so close to reality as to be nearly indistinguishable from the actual.

    • Ann B Watson

      Love this Battle Plan! Brilliant & I am so so happy I got out!❀️

  • AntoniaW

    Happy Thanksgiving to darling American cousins and friends, half wishing you hadn’t escaped our shores in those cold 17th Century winters. At least we got the turkey in exchange.

    For those of you who can’t be bothered to follow the minutiae of UK baby-whales’ careers, here is the latest British review on the Mappins’s crumbling Cornish edifice, the Camelot Castle Hotel:-

    β€œIt’s creepy and is spooky ”
    2 of 5 bubblesReviewed yesterday NEW via mobile
    “I stayed here with a work colleague as we where working in the area. My colleague was for more freaked out then I was but this place was still creepy, made worse by the weird owner.

    The place was creepy and I’m shore has plenty of ghost stories about the it and this is what freaked out my colleague the most. For me it was the obsession with celebrities by the owner. Photos in the lobby of various Hollywood “It” people. Thankfully my colleague knew who these people were as I only recognised around half of them but this obsession was creepy. This with the Am-Dram costumes the staff had to wear and film memorabilia (old cameras on tripods) was weird.

    Something Else that freaked us both out was the signs promoting us to ask about “the light box”. We where both freaked out to the point not to ask about this until we where leaving, Both thinking it was some trap for human abduction (yes, this place is freaky and we were that freaked out that this is where our mind was) but it was apparently the art studio in the basement (dungeon) with no natural light. The “art” was all over the hotel and very childish. Something it’d expect from a 10-13 year old, not a “resident artist”.

    The owner “Keeping Up Appearances” wearing a tacky blazer with a crest on the brest and staff having to bow. Out side there was a dodgy helipad cobbled together with paving slabs and an old banger that has been graffitied by the resident “artist” dumped on the lawn.

    Rooms where dirty, shabby (not in a cool way) and dark. Bathrooms are 1960’s plastic pods in the corner of the room. No lock on the window and this is the place you want to be able to lock out the weirdness where ever you can.

    Meals where poor. Boy our starters where terrible, soup was a packet soup and my fried cheese was fried in old dirty oil so this was all I could taste. Main was better but I suspect again a food wholesalers boil in a bag. To finish with was factory bought cakes. I’d rather a poor meal cooked by a chef rather than a “Brake Brothers factory selection”.

    Breakfast was fine and staff where happy to serve early as we had to leave early.

    Well worth a stay for the freak show. But don’t do it alone.

    Stayed November 2016, travelled on business”

  • PickAnotherID
  • Jeb Burton

    I’m really happy that Mike Rinder is the go to ex scientologist rather than the batshit insane warrior. He is really pissed that he is basically not relevant anymore. We are all ASC. Why does he have a burr up his ass about Tony? I really don’t know.

  • Hamtaro

    If you’re about to sit down to dinner with your entire extended family, plus those two older ladies your Mom knows from work who live together that she insists on calling “spinsters” because she can’t bring herself to say the word “lesbian” and that nice Korean family from down the street (Grandpa says they don’t have Thanksgiving in Korea, but Grandma says that’s no reason not to invite them) and your eighth grade girlfriend because your sister is still friends with her and you had to call the guy you know from high school who manages the rental furniture store on his cell phone today to get an extra 8′ table and six additional chairs because late last night your cousin Rick’s hunting buddies were on a USAir flight that got cancelled so now they’re invited (even though they’ve been drinking PBR for 36 hours straight) and all of these people are about to be eating Thanksgiving dinner with you at your Mom’s house?

    Well, then I say “bon appetit” and I’m glad you could join us.

    • Pure poetry. Nice.

    • daisy

      Wait I call myself a spinster, does that mean I am gay ? I cannot wait to tell people . especially the Trump supporters.

      I will be stereotypically fabulous.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        laugh !!!

      • gtsix

        Welcome home sister.

  • This is how a Christmas Card from the Cult looks

    • Frodis73

      Lol, they are so tone deaf. Yeah, we kicked you out and called you an SP but here is your bill. Do you want to come back for more abuse?
      What idiots!

      • πŸ™‚ it really doesn’t compute!

        • Liberated

          I would love to send them a Christmas card back, the first word would start with an ..F…

          • I knew a ex-scio who did just that. OSA kept those cards for like 10 years on their desk, to show how out-ethics SP’s was πŸ™‚

            • Liberated

              That’s great I love it.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      These bloodsuckers will be perfectly happy to half-promise to get your declare reversed so that you can go see your dying _____ (fill in any that apply), but of course that will cost you and it’s just a one-time deal anyhow. Want to see your friends and relatives again without fear of getting sideways with a couple of OSA goons? Of course you do, so pay up regular and keep your mouth shut always and you’ll be fine…got that?

  • Missionary Kid

    For a good list of definitions and acronyms used by $cientology,
    What follows is some of the lists that I have compiled over the years here in the Bunker.

    The first is explanations of catchphrases, memes and shorthand terms used in the Bunker.

    Next, The long list of David Miscavige nicknames

    Next, the list of L. Ron Hubbard nicknames.

    Finally, the list of nicknames and other things said about various $cientologists. I have elected to call it

    • something wrong with the links, it doesn’t show the comments
      ETA: found your other comment downstairs. all good!

      • Missionary Kid
        • got a copy of them all…

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m going back further for the rest of my lists.

            • could i ask you to keep additions or changes separate as i cannot maintain my copy otherwise? as soon as i can, i will give you access to my site so you can have a look and hopefully lure you in to be an Editor on those list. It’s beginning to look real cool on there.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll post my changes just once a month, updating it a couple of weeks after. I was planning on posting on the comments for Jan. 1, but I wouldn’t actually post them until about the 15th.

              If you go back a couple of weeks, find one of my comments and reply to it with your email address, post it, then edit it out, I’ll get a notification with your original post, but someone that comes along later won’t see it. If you’re worried about a web crawler picking it up, write dot instead of putting the period in the address.

            • Got you! Thanks.

      • Missionary Kid

        Fixed them.

    • Bo

      Thank you for these references. It’s good to have these reminders as the bunker family continues to expand.

  • aegerprimo

    Live blogging during Leah’s show! I’m so looking forward to that. ☺

    • Missionary Kid

      How are you feeling these days?

      • aegerprimo

        I’m feeling better and better everyday. Thank you for asking. I had a great Thanksgiving today.

        • Missionary Kid

          Great, good to hear it.

        • Juicer77

          Great πŸ™‚ Keep it up, buttercup! xoxo

    • AntoniaW

      Would some of you US cousins help out UK ignoramuses on how to access / ideally livestream Leah Remini’s show from the UK?

      • aegerprimo

        I’m not the person who could help you with that. Maybe RMycroft would know.

      • Frodis73

        I am in the US but do not have cable. I am hoping it will show up on youtube at some point. Most stuff usually does.

      • iampissed
        This may help, I did this in France and it worked.

      • AntoniaW

        Thanks darling, I’ll give it a shot.

  • Elegant Mess

    Happy Turkey Day, y’all! Busy deep frying a bird here. Hope you are having a wonderful day!

    • that’s bad…you have a plan B?

      • Elegant Mess

        Actually was quite delicious! The burned outer skin is crispy and flavorful. The breasts were perfectly done and juicy! πŸ™‚

        • ahh yes… and that’s true. been there done that.

    • aegerprimo

      Oh my!

      • This is why people need to use sun-blocker

    • beauty for ashes

      Did the Turkey have to go to hell?

      • Elegant Mess

        Just a Cajun rub and about an hour in the deep fryer…

    • daisy

      Tear off the burnt stuff , It probably looks worse than it is. It is probably quite tender and edible inside. I assuming this is deep fried. Mix some rye and bbq sauce baste the bird and broil for 10 min.

      • Elegant Mess

        Oh no! The “burnt” stuff is the skin & has quite the flavorful rub. The breast underneath was perfectly tender & juicier than any roast turkey I’ve done.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          My husband started deep frying turkeys after working in Montana and he’d previously been big on smoking – first time I saw it deep fried, I thought the same thing and then I tasted it and was like OMG – it’s true – nearly everything IS better fried! SO good, especially with the awesome seasoned rubs like yours has above! Aw geez now I’m drooling and I swear it’s not the wine… yet!

          • Elegant Mess

            We started this tradition about 7 years ago & the boyfriend refuses to do turkey any other way. I have no complaints! We even used the oil after frying the bird to make sweet potato fries for the kids.
            ETA: Thank goodness someone else here has some experience with frying! You totally get it! 😘

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Oooh – sweet potato fries is a great idea w/a fried turkey! Yep – I definitely get it. The part that impressed me so much was how much time it saves to deep fry. The first time I had one was because last-minute, everyone decided to accept my aunt’s invitation so it went from 12-15 to an almost 30-people Thanksgiving. So my Uncle brought out his super fryer and added a 26lb bird to the menu with less than 3 hours to go. That alone was impressive to me after years of waking up at crack of dawn to start! Then I tasted the 60-90min bird & was in love! Looked amazing and now I want a turkey sandwich, thank you very much!

        • Juicer77


  • Tony Ortega

    Aussies, we’ll be showing up on your TV boxes on Thursday morning (your time) talking about Leah’s show, apparently.

    • LongtimeLurker

      But…it’s Friday…

      Or are we talking next Thursday?

      • Liberated

        Hey Pilgrim,
        Love your avatar.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I feel fancy!

          How’s your day so far?

          • Liberated

            My day’s ok, I’m all alone and like frodis said cooking for one is the hardest thing in the world.
            I spent my entire life cooking for everyone but now that I only shop for me and my appetite is not that big, it takes awhile to get used to.
            What I really don’t like is throwing food away.

            My life has changed so much and I used to be terrified of change but I’m learning to embrace it. There’s a certain kind of freedom in being on my own.
            I get lonely, but I’ll always have the bunker.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Aww, Libs!

              Sorry, I didn’t realise (or I rudely forgot) you weren’t doing a Thanksgiving thing. I would have not brought it up.

              Cooking / shopping for one sux. I’ve almost always been the primary cook in my relationships, so I get it.

              You’ll always have The Bunker!

            • Liberated

              Don’t apologize silly, there’s nothing wrong in being alone.
              I’m actually sorta loving it.

              Why do ya think I chose the name liberated? ( I actually got it from Paul Haggis)
              He was on the Charlie Rose show promoting a movie, and Charlie asked him all about what happened with he and scientology and he explained everything.
              Then Charlie asked him “well, how you feeling now man?”
              Paul’s asnswer….” liberated.”

              For some reason that name just stuck with me.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m glad you’re loving it.

              Go, you!

              I haven’t seen that interview. That’s a great story.

      • Phil Jones

        I thought Australia was 3 days ahead of us.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yes. But we’re 11 years behind.

          So it gets confusing.

    • Ella Raitch

      Seymour’s channel?

  • Tony Ortega

    Is Rasha around? We sent an email and haven’t received a response.

    • daisy

      Her last post was 5 hrs ago. I will keep an eye out.

    • Frodis73

      She was earlier…iircc she said she was going over to somebody’s house for dinner.

  • I am grateful that Thanksgiving exists. It reminds me to be grateful and kind. I will try to celebrate it every day.

    • OOkpik

      <3 <3 <3

    • MaxSpaceman

      someone once said

      wisdom is kindness.

  • Jimmy3

    When asked if she wanted to share anything she’s thankful for, my 2 year old niece said, “I do!” Then she held it up proudly and said, “My spoon!”

    This may seem like a cute thing a small child would say, but it was actually a well-timed shot at the people who were shoveling food into their mouths with their bare hands.

    Meaning she’s not thankful for the spoon. She’s thankful she possesses the dignity to use a spoon. And we all just ignored her and kept on hand shoveling.

    • noseinabk

      We had a spoon incedent too. We inherited a silver set the kids like to use on holidays that includes the cutest tiny baby spoon. 11 month old Mollie tried her hardest to use it.
      About halfway into her sweet potato she she tossed her spoon, made a shrug jesture, and and put the bowl up to her face. This is why I love kids.

      • Frodis73

        That is the best story…what a metaphor for life.

      • Juicer77


  • Frodis73

    What I am thankful for this year and a confession

    Wow, this is hard. Lol. My awesome dog (not the one in my avi, he went to the Bridge) that I love to pieces and is my BF and defender. Alcohol. I am on my 3rd bottle of wine since the election…it IS helping. Short list, but it is better than nothing. So, my family is either dead or not around. With mom in the hosp this is the first time I have been alone on any holiday. I wanted to try for some sense of normalcy, with little effort. Making T-giving dinner for one is not easy. So this is where the confession comes in….instead of real stuffing I had to go with Stove Top. OH MY THE HORROR. I get it, but I was just not up to the task of chopping celery and onion for just me!! That is just dumb, expensive and wasteful. Stuffing is my fav thing ever too, but I survived. We discussed this in the comments last night…like others here I have memories attached to the making of the stuffing. I did have real mashed taters though…one giant spud is easy to whip up. However, I forgot the pie…specifically the pumpkin pie (my other fav thing). I am desert less. Oops. Again, the wine makes up for this goof. I am a bit tipsy as I (try) to type this out.
    So, I just want to say that I am thankful for this community that not only teaches, but helps keep me (semi) sane as it is my only social outlet. We have all said it before (and will say it again) but this place is special/different/whatever. I am grateful to all of you and to Tony for giving all of us misfits a home. I wish all of you the best…hold your friends, family and pets close to your heart. I hope you all had a good day.
    Happy Thanksgiving!

    Hugs and kisses!

    And lastly, peace and love-Frodis and the furkids

    • You are wonderful. I thank you for meeting you in Cleveland. Happy Thanksgiving, Dear Frodis!

      • Robert Eckert
        • I like Robert Trujillo’s face better when they hired him.
          Love you Robert Eckert. It was great to meet you.

      • Frodis73

        I only wish I could have hung out more!! It sounds horrible, but if only my mom would have been in the hosp/nursing home then vs now!! I would have been able to stick around and talk more. At any rate, Happy Turkey Day and hugs to your and the whole family.

    • noseinabk

      Stove top?! We talked about this! It is easy to chop up a few ribs of celery and half an onion and toss them in a pan with a stick of butter. I can see that the spices would cost a bit much for just one person and one meal though. I wish we could have had you over !
      Cover one eye when you type. Helps the letters stop jumping around. πŸ˜ƒ

      • Frodis73

        LOL about the eye thing. Yeah, I could have but there is no way I could have eaten that much stuffing! I would have ended up throwing most of it and the celery away, so I went with the short cut. I lived…barely. I was drooling last night after the stuffing discussion.

        • noseinabk

          I was just kidding anyway. I can see how it wouldn’t be worth it. Im at the end of a 10 dollar bottle of sauvignon blanc and the effort I took in writing that tells me it’s time to go to bed. Gnite Frodis and bunkerites.

          George L posted this song and my grandaughter and I still love it.

          • daisy

            Night night I loved that video. Kid so cute.That is the basic difference between kids and adults. Kids never want to sleep and adults always want to sleep.

    • dungeon master

      Frodis, you’re almost my psychic twin. My daughter’s in ND (where she’s in college) working thru her holiday. My son and the gkids are having supper with his dad (and she who must not be named and her spawn, but let’s not get into that..). So, I have all these weird feelings about being here by myself – with the dogs. I got to go have supper at my next sister’s and she went all Martha and made a to die for pumpkin cheesecake on a double-stuffed oreo crust. Otherwise, I’d have probably had a sandwich or some toast. And I have left overs for tomorrow. I have all sorts of good things I can do because I’m not overrun with gkids, and I’m plinking away at them (tonite I’m going to sleep in a freshly made bed with the pillows all nice and fluffed, and may get a second night out of it, because the kids are not here to get crumbs and other debris in my bed, but the old mama dog has taken to liking to sleeping under the covers, so probably will have dog hair tomorrow). But, still everything feels.. off. Too quiet. So, I’m having a beer for me and another in your honor tonight, and hopefully tomorrow I’ll get some more stuff done before the Thundering Hoarde is back Saturday. I wish you a pleasant evening, and a good day tomorrow, and will be thinking about you. It kind of makes me feel less isolated, knowing you’re out there and in a similar situation. πŸ™‚

      • Frodis73

        Two things, and yes, we are psychic-pumpkin cheesecake is to die for…omg. Also, one of my other fav things is clean sheets!! There is nothing better than getting into a clean bed, with clean sheets after you get out of the shower and are clean yourself! That is seriously in my top 5 fav things ever.
        I am toasting to you too my dear…cos it is quiet here too…I get it. It is nice knowing that I am not alone. Cheers!!! and Hugs…and kisses to the dog of course.

    • beauty for ashes

      One Thanksgiving I was not up to traveling, and convinced my mom it was okay if she and my dad accepted someone’s invitation. I had worked retail for years and thanksgivings were mostly ruined for me anyway. I had turned it into a day to nurse a hangover and watch the dog show, and rest while I prepared for the worst work day of my life the next day.
      So my mom felt bad and left me a small thing of stuffing and turkey in one of those tin pans. and on the day I opened it. and when I started eating her food, I just started crying. I was standing at the counter eating out of the pan!. It was just so nice of her, and there I was alone like I usually was, but I was eating home.
      It’s hard, sugar.( I didn’t know your mom was in the hospital either. What happened?)
      I commiserate and wish I could give you a big hug! ((((((((((SMOOOOOSHES FROYO))))))))))))))))))))))

      • Frodis73

        Dog show!! I did watch today!
        I totally get it and that was so sweet of your mom to do that for you! I am sending you hugs too! The situation wit mom is a long story….basically because of her stubbornness she is now a double amputee. It is a long drama filled story that I will get into later…I am waiting to see what happens at this point. Again, hugs back to you…you have been in my thoughts lately btw.

        • beauty for ashes

          Wow, I’m so sorry about your Mom. I’ll keep you both in my thoughts and prayers. Sometimes it’s hard to talk about especially when you’re in the middle of the situation.

        • Robert Eckert

          My dad liked the dog show, he always did love dogs. He couldn’t pay attention to the Lions game even though he was a Lions fan all through the decades when they sucked, but he found enough attention to watch the dogs.

    • Vaquera

      You are a sweetheart. Kudos to you for making the solo effort. xoxo

      • Frodis73

        I wanted to try for some bit of normalcy…eating frozen pizza or something just would not have been the same!

        • Vaquera

          Good job!

    • iampissed

      This is how I feel at times because it’s true my family is small and a bit disjointed.

      • Juicer77

        I love Stitch.

    • Chee Chalker

      Here’s a good life hack….frozen chopped onions! I use them in everything. Still have to chop the celery. Can’t get around that unfortunately……

      • Frodis73

        Yeah, I took the lazy route.

    • Ann B Watson

      πŸ·πŸ§€πŸžπŸ·β€οΈThank you Frodis.Happy Thanksgiving Eve.I have known what it is like to be alone on holidays and special days too.At least I am in the sunlight & not locked away to do the conditions as I did in Sea Org.Over & over.I love all here and keep shining on.

      • Frodis73

        Sweetest Ann-The fact that you are out and away from the church just makes me smile…nobody should suffer that…well, I’d love to ship Trump off to the SO, but that is another story. It really was okay today and thank you for the good thoughts.

        • Ann B Watson

          I’m with you.βš“οΈπŸ’–

    • FredEX2

      Awwww Frodis, sending you some Thanksgiving hugs and kisses. Me and my youngest son had a quiet little Thanksgiving this year. It’s been raining & hailing here and snowing up on the hills pretty much nonstop and I really didn’t want to travel in this weather. Made enough traditional food with all the trimmings anyway tho, stayed in pajamas and watched Hallmark movies all day…and would’ve loved to invite you and any other Bunker member who was alone for the holiday to come here to my house to be with us. xo

      • Frodis73

        I have been in my pj’s all day too…best way to go!! I totally would have hung out with you…as long as I can stay in my pj’s. Hugs.

        • Juicer77

          Mr. J and I did Pajama Christmas last year. Normally in the US I have a houseful of guests (to stay!). But we decided to make it low key. Just us in our jammies all day, Woofy and Kitteh and a mini but complete turkey meal. Skyped with family. It was absolutely delightful.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Sounds like a pretty awesome day to me! PJ’a, great food, cozy weather and one-on-one time w/your son! Much better than dealing w/crazies on the road and rushing all over. Quality time!

      • Juicer77

        Sounds absolutely heavenly. πŸ™‚

    • daisy

      Yeah I know Frodis this is not always a great time of year. It is certainly not mine. Please come here when you are lonely and need socializing.We all need company and this as good as it gets . I cut CNN out of my life and my BP thanked me for it. Stovetop can be edible mixed with cranberry sauce but definitley not as good as home made.

      • Frodis73

        Good job on cutting that cord-you don’t need the stress! I don’t have cable or I would have driven myself batshit crazy watching since the election…bad enough just following stuff on the net.

    • PickAnotherID

      The trick with ‘Stove Top’ is to pick up a container of a good ‘turkey stock’ at the same time you buy it. Then use the turkey stock instead of water. A good turkey stock will already have the onion, etc., in it you need for that “real” stuffing flavor. Just don’t ask how I know. Please.

      • Harmless Weirdo

        Also, if chopping celery and onion feels like too much damned work (and hey, sometimes it just does), look in the refrigerated section of the produce department, near the bagged salads, pre-cut fruit, and such like. My shitty neighborhood Safeway, to my surprise and delight, carries little deli containers of pre-chopped onion, celery, and mirepoix. It’s a lot more expensive than chopping your own, but for the lazy, exhausted, or just plain depressed individual who needs to assemble comfort food post haste, it’s a godsend.

        • Juicer77

          ^^^ My holiday sanity-saver. Mirepoix. Plus it sounds so upscale. LOL

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Hugs to you & the furbabies! I’m impressed – to make yourself a Thxgiving dinner for one is impressive and many wouldn’t do it BUT you did because you know you’re worth it and that speaks volumes to your NON-insane-ness! Hope you enjoyed it and glad the wine helped (my fave pastime of late, a little too much wine after the babies are in bed, read something I can’t when they’re awake then come hang at The Bunker until I’m ready to fall asleep. It’s my own grown-up time since alone or grown-up only time is at a premium! Hope you spend the weekend taking care of YOU and enjoying some real relaxation!

    • Juicer77

      Much love to you, Frodis. I would gladly have just homemade mashed taters with you. Delish!! (PS they do sell pre-chopped onions and celery at the grocer’sl. Don’t tell anyone I told you. πŸ˜‰ The furkids know when you need love and they don’t care what day it is. Thank God for them! <3

    • Scream Nevermore

      I made the mistake of telling my mum that any Xmas that she and dad go to the siblings in Australia, I order a Chinese set meal for 2 on Xmas Eve, and eat it for dinner, and the rest of it for Xmas Lunch, and don’t get out of my PJs until Boxing Day. She was horrified! I know this time of year is bad for people who are, for whatever reason, on their own, and don’t want to be. But at least you can come here. And lay off the wine a bit – it’s not really helping!! (OMG, it’s true, you DO turn into your own mum as you get older!) πŸ˜€

  • Dave Reams

    “Gut wrenching” both for viewers not in the cult and for David Miscavige! Though in the latter’s case, he is the one doing the wrenching to some poor soul

  • Mockingbird

    OT for anybody that has missed it I have a series on the Cult of Trump at Mockingbird’s Nest for anyone that is interested running. It has the usual fun stuff on thought reform, the similarities of Trump and his role model, the cult church leader Trump was raised admiring and his ambitions.

    The Cult of Trump part 1 What’s a Cult ? Really ?

    The Cult of Trump part 2 Who Owes Whom What ?

    The Cult of Trump part 3 Thought Reform

    The Cult of Trump part 4 Reason and Resistance

    The Cult of Trump part 5 Most Likely Scenario

    The Cult of Trump part 6 the Con

    The Cult of Trump part 7 Godwin’s Flaw

    The Cult of Trump part 8 Godwin’s Flaw 2

    • Frodis73

      I have been reading this series. Good job btw.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. If there’s anything relevant or important that I have missed or you think I should explore please let me know.

        • jazzlover

          The actual values of the Ivana spawn must be studied carefully. Ivanka’s husband got into Harvard with far less than stellar secondary school grades, and his criminal dad wasn’t even a graduate. Btw, the rotund governor of NJ (with highly questionable integrity) is the one who got him sent up the river. That’s why he no longer heads up the transition team.

          • Mockingbird


            • jazzlover

              Yes, I think little Ivanka is either totally in dad’s thrall, or she’s a stinking phony. I’m already convinced that her brothers are 2 mini-Hitlers. Also, Trump’s little Georgia Peach was bought into UPenn via the old American tradition of “legacy”. This shit needs to stop with higher education here.

            • Scream Nevermore

              My money’s on ‘phony’.

            • jazzlover

              I’m with you, and if that’s the case, it’s a very bad sign.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            They haven’t even installed the BIG Orange One in office yet and already the long knives are coming out! In the Trump family, the highest compliment they can pay someone is to call someone a killer, so that gives you some kind of idea of the fun to come.

            I just hope they will be content to enrich themselves and their friends, while destroying a few civil liberties and the environment, instead of getting us into another war. With Trump plus killer kids in charge, hoping for less bad is as good as it’s going to get.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. I keep thinking of Ira Levin and “Stepford Wives”. I’m still scratching my head over how Trump’s oh so proper daughter could just let that tape with Billy Bush fly by without a peep. It doesn’t make her look good, at all.

            • Robert Eckert
            • jazzlover

              Yeah. One other thing I keep wondering – Is Ivana still being paid for her silence? She’s no peach herself, but she’s well aware of the Donald’s “proclivities”, and she’s a mother watching all this happen around her kids, guilt by association be damned.

    • PickAnotherID

      I want a ‘Do Over’ election. Without Trump or Clinton involved.

      • Mockingbird

        You and me both.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Amen to this idea!!!

    • ReallyMGM

      M’bird, this is a bit off topic, but I know you have the answer. Who (Hassan, Attack.?) talked about a cult didn’t have to be large. That it could be just a family. I am not talking about the close knit religious families depicted on reality tv, but a typical family that would “blend in.”
      I want to do some further reading. Thx in advance.

      • I’ve been in a cult of two. Just as scary. Maybe more so isolation wise.

        • ReallyMGM

          Whoever I remember talking about this said there could be a cult of two. I think it was Steve Hassan and will be going through his website this weekend for articles about it. It might have been said at the conference in Canada this past summer.

          It is not my own family but someone very close to me. It is isolating and abusive. I’m sorry it happened to you.

      • Mockingbird

        Steve Hassan, Margaret Singer and Janja Lalich have all discussed family cults. I believe Rick Alan Ross has too. Janja Lalich has some examples in Take Back Your Life if I remember correctly.

  • Vaquera

    Holy Floor Pie….it happened again! (not kidding)
    This year it was my daughter’s boyfriend who did the dropping and the pie landed upsidedown.
    Luckily we’d all had at least one slice. SMH

  • Mockingbird

    Here’s an article on how when people are biases towards believing something giving them evidence against it can backfire and result in them being MORE certain !

    • jazzlover

      Ah…..this is exactly the same concept that comes into play when you tell your kids not to do something. They’re more likely to rebel and do it anyway. LOL. You’re a parent; you know this.

      • Mockingbird


    • JJ

      Chya, disagrees are non-believers, evil, woggy, misinformed, mentally defective, wrong, from “the other side”, hallucinations, wrong, out ethics, a test, a spy for the enemy, wrong, angry, high, so misled and the best…gonna rot in hell forever.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    hi everyone! having yet again another youtube war against someone defending scientology using the lame tired lazy “other religions are worse” and “if people followed the bible or the koran word for word they would be destroying everyone” and that he can list actual crimes that muslims and christians have committed.. course i replied for him to stop deflecting, that we aren’t talking about a real religion (scientology) and it’s not what scientology beliefs in, but how they are run and act, course that brought up the whole what about other religions and what they do..?!

    that’s a good question: HOW DOES ONE DEFEND THEIR AGAINST SCIENTOLOGY WHEN OTHERS POST THE WHOLE WHAT ABOUT SO AND SO RELIGION doing atrocities and bad stuff in the past or for centuries? in fact, this person ended their last post with “WHAT PROOF DO I HAVE THAT SCIENTOLOGISTS HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES?” i mentioned a few things, but felt it best to have him come on this site (yes, i posted the website) and post that question and see what responses he gets from people who know far more then I!.. also wrote for him to go to chris shelton’s channel on youtube and send him that same question in a email to shelton and see what kind of answer he gets!..

    • jazzlover

      Believe it or not, Tracy, even ex-scientologists still deeply caught in the mind maze use that very same argument regarding other religions.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      Just say, “that may be true about other religions, but I am personally concerned about Scientology for the purposes of this discussion.” Then, refer him to Going Clear, Troublemaker, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, Barefaced Messiah and other books if he cares to read them.

  • FredEX2

    Just checking in with everyone at the Bunker and saying good nite. But before I go to sleep I wanted to add a few more things that I’m very thankful for at the close of this Thanksgiving day.

    1. I am thankful for the real Pilgrims & Pioneers who founded and settled this land, and for the Dr’s, nurses, scientists, teachers, architects, clergy, volunteers, soldiers, counsellors, pharmacists, researchers, farmers, entrepreneurs, and all the white & blue collar workers, builders, brick layers, carpenters…and all whose blood, sweat, tears & hard work built this country. You can be sure there’s hardly a Scientologist among them.

    2. I am thankful for the beautiful and creative souls in the world who share their talents of Art, entertainment, cooking, writing, poetry & music with all of us. They enhance the culture, quality and pleasure of humanity, and without whom the world would perhaps be a little less interesting. The majority aren’t…and never were…and never would even consider being Scientologists.

    And a final thought…

    3. I am thankful that the entire membership of Scientology amounts to so much less than 0.001% of the entire population of this world. Put into that context…the world seems a little safer somehow.

    Here’s a link to a beautiful and deeply soulful rendition of Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah”…it seemed like a perfect song to end this day.

    Good nite to all.


    • ExCult.Jan

      More like 0.001β„…
      1% of the world population is like 74,000,000

      • FredEX2

        Yep….SO much less than 1%.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      LOVE me some Pentatonix! Great list and sweet dreams to you sweet friend!

      • jazzlover

        A sure sign that you’re listening to your kids’ music a tad too much. LOL. I heard them first on some Disney show that my daughter was watching.

        They are good, though. Singing anything a capella as well as they do here is pretty impressive!

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Lol exactly Jazz! My 18yo got into them and showed us a documentary on a capella groups and the current trend bringing them back, on which Pentatonix was featured. I was just so excited my son was a fan of real music!

          • jazzlover

            Ha! I gave up long ago trying to get my kids to at least listen to jazz. When she was about 5, I used to think it was so cute when my daughter would say “your jazz sucks, daddy!”. Kids are so conditioned to believe that any and all music MUST contain vocals. If I happened to sneak in some instrumental music, the first question both of mine would always ask would be “when does the singing start?” or “how long is this song?” (you’d think I were torturing them!). Occasionally, to tease them, I’d put on a 23 minute epic like Genesis’ “Supper’s Ready”. LOL

            • Mooser42001

              “Ha! I gave up long ago trying to get my kids to at least listen to jazz”

              Did you try organ trios? Jimmy Smith “Midnite Special” or “When I Get Too Old To Dream” Richard Groove Holmes'<a href="; "Misty" or "Groove's Groove" or Larry Young's “Backup”
              could or should convince the most obstinate child.
              And if that doesn’t work, beat them, daddy, eight to the bar!

            • jazzlover

              It’s a lost cause at this point. The only way kids come to jazz is if they come to it on their own. I resisted for years, until I heard other progressive music – Larks’ Tongues in Aspic, specifically.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Ok you’re officially an awesome Dad! My dad played in 2 fusion bands locally but also subbed in for some jazz and also Skaa (lead or rhythm guitarist) so I was schooled as a child in all genres. It was funny because while all my friends were into Prince, Wham & Madonna, I was listening to Little Feat, Toto (well… Toto IV anyway when it was Jeff Porcero on drums, Steve P, Bobby Kimball, etc…) & the Windhan Hill compilations… since Jazz was “too old” for me, then. THEN I got to intern (I was a drummer in Jr High & HS) with a jazz ensemble and all of a sudden I had SUCH respect for jazz musicians and understood why he didn’t appreciate a lot of the more modern stuff as “actual music.” Damn it’s not easy to play that stuff!!!

              Dad said his proudest moment was when Kenny G first got super popular promoting himself as the ultimate fusion of modern ballads & jazz and I dismissed him as a “Kenny Loggins/Richard Marx trying to pretend he was the ‘new’ jazz!” LOL – I’ve since come to respect him as a musician but true jazz… um nope! I stand by my 16yo interpretation.

              Thankfully, due to Dad (Gpa), one of my brothers who plays and electronica-fatigue, my older sons actually appreciate jazz. I took them to see Jack Sheldon live (man is a comedian and quite the womanizer – hitting on everyone in the club, but an incredible musician!) in a Fullerton jazz club while they were in Jr High & High School and it blew them away!

            • jazzlover

              Thanks. I’m not so sure that makes me an awesome dad, but I appreciate your saying so! That’s great that you were exposed to so many different genres at such a young age. I was too, bu tI actively rebelled against jazz, Herb Alpert, Brasil 66, Burt Bacharach, Dionne Warwick AND Frank Sinatra. LOL. Your line about Kenny G is pretty funny. I don’t know if you know about the smack down that Pat Metheny gave him some years ago. This is only a small part of it:


  • Mymy88

    Happy Thanksgiving everybody. About the below cartoon – I kid. I kid. I thought it was funny though lol.

    • Liberated

      So do I.

  • Ah, now here’s something I like to see:

    Seattle Org corporation about to expire, just days left on the clock to get the paperwork filed, pay a fee, and then if they don’t do it on time, an expensive legal towing charge to pull it out of the quicksand. Or it sinks.

    I like poking Scientology with a stick now and then, just to see if it still twitches.

    • “Nonprofit” – really?

    • Juicer77

      *poke poke poke* XD

    • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

      They’re so often negligent about paperwork when it comes to the Wog World. That’s kind of elronic, given their obsession with keeping records within the cult.

  • ReallyMGM

    VERY early today (now yesterday), someone suggested time markers for the questions in the “Growing Up in Scientology” video for convenience. While I was watching I jotted down the approximate times for the sections. (Struggling to stay awake all night so I can stand in line at 7 am for a LE Record Store Day album)

    Please do not use this list to skip over parts of the interview. It is an incredible interview/discussion between Mike Rinder and Aaron Smith-Levin. It is a comprehensive interview and items come up are within it that are not in the questions.

    Aaron and Mike, Thank you so much for sharing your time and wealth of information with everyone.

    Times are APPROXIMATE!!!

    #1 1:30 (question at 5:00)
    #2 12:00
    #3. 14:10
    #4. 24:40
    #5. 36:10
    #6 51:20
    #7 54:10
    #8 56:44
    #9 1:01:10

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Agree. Listen to it all. They are entertaining and you might learn something you didn’t know.

      • ReallyMGM

        The format works well for them. I know it is an “interview” but their dynamic is such that it really is more like a discussion. Their experiences cover a number of years in the Sea Org under the leadership of both LRH and DM. Informative with a dash of humor occasionally. I know they have busy schedules but hope to see more of these in the future.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Hope so too. As you said, It is just like a casual sit down discussion and it works well because they are both likeable.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thanks Aaron and Mike. Great talk and you pair always make me laugh.

  • This is how the Placebo Church is getting their “Results”

  • Scream Nevermore

    I love the fact that the number of exes speaking out is growing, and that more and more of them now have a voice and an audience ready to listen to them.

    • WOG with Attitude

      I’m happy Leah is spot lighting people that may have been eclipsed by another Scientologist who had the floor too often. There are many others who can offer their view point, and that’s very valuable. She’s making history here! Great lady! They messed with the wrong person!

    • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

      Fewer and fewer people are being terrorized. You can’t terrorize someone who isn’t afraid of you.

      Thanks to Anonymous, Chanology and Over 9000 protesters worldwide, that fear was greatly reduced.

      Hardly anyone was speaking out in the 90s, but there were few critics, which made them easy targets. (some of us weren’t that easy. Worse, some of us laughed at cult attempts to scare us.)

  • Dyan Shane

    I know that quite a few people are taking interest in Leah show is because of children being raped, people i could never get interested in watching anything about them are now taking note. My mission is to get there tax free status removed, where can i sign?

  • Canadian

    As anyone, who has bothered to look into this farce of a cult, knows, Scientology basically blackmailed the IRS into giving them “tax exempt church/religious status”. So in order to change and confront the atrocities committed by this cult, the government has to pull their heads out of Miscavige’s ass and take away their tax exempt status and investigate the crimes that are being committed on a daily basis. Whether they will do this or not, I don’t know but highly doubt it. Waiting for them to implode internally is taking far too long! meanwhile, people like Leah are making a big difference to those on the outside and hopefully stopping other from joining. As for those in, it won’t make a difference as they aren’t allowed to look into any rumours of bad behaviour or criminal activities of this cult! Kudos to Leah, it was an excellent watch and I will continue to view the other shows and spread the word to as many as I can here in Canada!