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That time when Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard didn’t invent surfing in California

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[L. Ron Hubbard, circa 1934]

On Saturday, Scientology leader David Miscavige blessed the newest “Ideal Org” with another grand opening ceremony, this time in San Diego, California. After the ceremony we heard from local journalist Ken Stone, who told us he found it very odd that Scientology had held an event with what they claimed was a crowd of 3,500, and had done so without notifying the local press.

Ken decided to look into things a little further and managed to get an interview with Scientology’s public relations B-team, Erin and Nick Banks. The result was a nice piece by Ken that included the usual howlers from Erin about how the new org was a gleaming example of Scientology expansion — even though it was really just a renovation of the building they’d been in for years and years and didn’t represent any “expansion” at all. (And as for the size of the crowd, we’ve found that if you divide by about seven, you get closer to actual truth, which suggests that the event probably had closer to 800 people in attendance, many of whom would have been bused down from Los Angeles.)

Ken attached to his story the press release Scientology put out about Miscavige’s appearance, and several people pointed out to us that it included this rather astounding claim…

 

“Even after forty years LRH would fondly recall this ‘never-never land,’ where he spun his first tales for the pulps, in a cottage on the bluff,” said Mr. Miscavige. “This was also his first point of departure for Asia — boarding a naval transport with a well-worn suit, a thin topcoat and two pennies. While in the wake of Waikiki, he tells of importing a board from Honolulu, and so became the first to catch a wave at Encinitas. So, yes, this is the crossroads of your history with LRH — and your future with his legacy.”

 
This really surprised us because in recent years Scientology has finally started to tamp down some of its more outrageous mythmaking about Hubbard after being caught time after time making up stuff about the man. (Which, to be fair, Hubbard himself had started.)

Miscavige’s claim sent us digging into Russell Miller’s excellent 1987 biography of Hubbard, Bare-Faced Messiah, to check up on what the church leader might be referring to.

Hubbard made a couple of trips to Asia as a youth. The first was a 1927 voyage that left and returned from Washington state. His second voyage, to Guam and China in 1928, did leave from San Diego, but he quickly headed back to Montana after the return leg of his voyage and wouldn’t have spent much time in San Diego, if at all. But as for Miscavige’s statement, that San Diego was Hubbard’s “first point of departure for Asia” — it’s somewhat true, if he meant that it was Hubbard’s “first point of departure on his second trip to Asia.”

Anyway, it’s the next claim that really got our attention. Several years after his two trips to Asia, both of which would have included stops in Hawaii (thus “in the wake of Waikiki” in the tortured syntax of Miscavige speechwriter Dan Sherman), Hubbard returned to the San Diego area in 1934.

He was 23 years old and had with him his pregnant first wife, Polly Grubb, and his situation was rather dicey. The Great Depression was at its depths, and Hubbard had mouths to feed and not very good prospects. He had tried to be a writer, but it was difficult to make a living at it. Miller tells us that out of desperation, Hubbard tried his hand at the pulps, writing adventure stories.

 

In 1934, more than 150 pulp magazines were published in New York alone. Black Mask was considered the best of the bunch by writers, largely because it paid its top contributors as much as a nickel a word, but Argosy, Adventure, Dime Detective and Dime Western were all said to offer more than the basic rate of a cent a word to the best writers. As the average 128-page pulp magazine contained around 65,000 words and as many of them were published weekly, the market for freelance writers was both enormous and potentially lucrative. Of all this L. Ron Hubbard knew virtually nothing until he began to cast around for new outlets as a matter of urgency after his first disastrous year as a writer. ‘He told me’, said his Aunt Marnie, ‘that he went into a bookstall and picked up all the pulp books from the rack. He took a big pile home to see what it was that people wanted to read. He thought a lot of it was junk and he knew he could do better. That’s how he started writing mystery stories.’

 
Soon enough, Ron was having success placing stories that he churned out at a prodigious rate, and his income began to rise.

 

By the end of April Ron had earned enough money to take Polly on a short holiday to California. They took a cheap hotel room at Encinitas, a resort a few miles north of San Diego, but Polly, now seven months into her pregnancy, found the unaccustomed heat somewhat debilitating. On 7 May 1934, she decided to take a dip in the ocean to cool off and got caught in a rip tide. She was a strong swimmer but only just managed to get back to the beach and the exertion brought on labor. Later that day she gave birth to a son. The baby weighed only 2lb 2oz and clung to life by the most gossamer of threads. Praying he would survive, they named him Lafayette Ronald Hubbard Junior.

 
Now see, that’s a great story. But because Miscavige and the Church of Scientology are in the habit of pretending that Hubbard didn’t have seven children by three different wives (and that one of his marriages was bigamous), Miscavige can’t tell his audience the charming story of how the California surf was responsible for L. Ron Hubbard Jr.’s premature birth.

Instead, he says that Hubbard had a surfboard imported from Hawaii and that he became, in 1934, the first person in history to surf a wave in Encinitas.

Well, it didn’t take long to debunk this Hubbard myth. A website specifically aimed at surfing in North San Diego County suggests that anyone surfing in 1934 was ridiculously late to claim to be a pioneer.

 

George Freeth introduced surfing to the California coastline in 1907 and he died in San Diego during the flu epidemic of 1919. He may have surfed in the Encinitas area, but it is likely that we will never know. There may not have been many active surfers in those early days in Encinitas and Cardiff, but they did exist.

 
Just up the coast, Duke Kahanamoku began popularizing surfing in the Los Angeles area in 1912. Another website, maintained by the University of California, points out that there was already competitive surfing happening in the San Diego area by 1928, six years before Ron supposedly “imported” his surfboard while living hand to mouth as a pulp writer in an Encinitas cottage.

Is it possible that Hubbard, if he actually did paddle out for a session in 1934, was unaware that California’s surf pioneer George Freeth had not only preceded him by decades, but had already been dead for 15 years, and so the pulp fiction writer simply assumed he was the first man to carve up a wave on that stretch of beach? Sure, it’s possible. But that doesn’t explain Miscavige making the claim that Hubbard was first when it’s so easy to check that he was not.

But such is the precarious state of any information put out by the Church of Scientology.

After his interview with Nick and Erin Banks, Ken Stone shared with us what they had said. We told Ken we wish we’d known it was the Banks JV squad that he’d be talking to. (Erin and Nick are sent out to Ideal Org openings and other situations where a Scientology spokesperson is needed for handling the local press. Scientology’s top mouthpiece, Los Angeles-based international spokeswoman Karin Pouw, is never seen by reporters.)

To explain what we meant, allow us a quick digression. Last year, we published The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, a book about the horrendous (and legendary) abuse that Scientology put Paulette Cooper through from 1969 to 1985. She was one of the first journalists to expose Hubbard and Scientology, and she nearly paid for it with her life. One of the things the church’s spy wing, the Guardian’s Office (today known as the Office of Special Affairs), did was to have spies befriend Paulette and move into her apartment building to be close to her. One of them was a woman named Paula Tyler, who spent months pretending to be one of Paulette’s best friends in 1973, the year Paulette had been framed by Scientology for a crime she didn’t commit and was facing 15 years in federal prison. Paula Tyler visited Paulette almost every day, and reported back to the church what she was saying as Paulette awaited trial. Eventually, Paulette managed to get out of the prosecution, but a legal cloud still hung over her until 1977, when the FBI raided the church and documents were found that spelled out the scheme to frame her. The FBI then contacted Paulette to get her help with a case they were building against the members of the Guardian’s Office.

Here’s what happened next, from the book…

 

Finally, after eight years of harassment, an indictment, the lawsuits, the expense, the harm to her career – finally, she was going to be publicly exonerated. When, she didn’t know. But now that the FBI was on her side, things were going to be very different…

Even as agents began coming over to her apartment at the Churchill to talk to her about Scientology, they were careful not to show her the Operation Freakout documents or anything else referring to her. It was disappointing, and she had no idea how long she’d have to wait before she could see what they had found. But they did show her photographs. And what they showed her stunned her.

One showed Paula Tyler. She was the young woman from California Paulette had helped get an apartment in her building. The young woman who had been introduced to Paulette by Margie Shepherd after Margie had showed up at her door canvassing for Cesar Chavez. The woman who, after moving into the Churchill, had come over constantly to talk with Paulette about her troubles. The woman who had introduced her to Jerry Levin

The woman who suddenly had to go to Europe after Paulette had spotted a photograph of someone who looked like her in a Scientology magazine.

That Paula Tyler.

The FBI showed Paulette photographs they had taken of Scientologists in their investigations, and she spotted Paula. She told them about her. And about Margie Shepherd. And about Jerry Levin. All of them, she now began to realize, were working for Scientology.

She thought of her teenage diary, tucked way back in her coat closet. It was Jerry, she suspected, who had taken it out and copied pages of it for the church so they could be dropped off at her father’s office three years ago. It was Jerry who always wanted her to come up to the roof. To look at the view from the ledge, where she always felt nervous.

It was Paula and Jerry she had confided in, telling them her fears as she was at her absolute lowest, while awaiting trial in 1973. And everything she had told them, she knew, had gone right to Scientology.

She wanted to throw up.

 
And then, much later in the book…

 

The other person who infiltrated Paulette’s life, Paula Tyler, is less of a mystery. She’s still a church member, and lives in Clearwater, Florida. She didn’t respond to questions about her role in the operation against Paulette. Like other former GO operatives, Tyler has remained a church member but hasn’t played a visible role in the church’s management.

Her daughter is a different story. Erin Banks rose through Scientology’s public relations ranks, and by 2013 had made it to the national media office. Her comments to newspapers show up when a new building opens in the Midwest, for example. On Scientology’s web page describing its PR team, she’s listed on the second rank along with her husband, Nick Banks.

 
It would have been interesting to tip off Ken about Erin and Nick to see what she might say about her connection to Scientology’s legendary spy operations. However, he did ask her about the criticism that Scientology eternally suffers, that’s it’s really a mind-control cult.

“I don’t hear that at all,” she responded. “That’s something we used to run across, say, in the ’70s.”

Well, the truth is Scientology has never suffered from worse press than it has in the last decade. But still, Erin did have a point. Scientology did get a certain reputation in the 1970s.

And she ought to know all about it.

 
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  • Panopea Abrupta

    Breaking News Reuters
    11/25/2016

    OT Powers Proven – The Black Friday Miracle
    Thanksgiving Breakthrough – Anti-gravity Device Demonstrated

    with our tech correspondents, Rene Lafayette and Artless “Dodger” Maren
    Reporting From A Secret Location

    A remarkable discovery emerged purely by happenstance yesterday.
    While most North Americans gorged on turkey, cranberry sauce, stuffing and
    football and studiously avoided discussing politics, an Underground Bunker regular
    has revolutionized science.
    This discovery is more important than the discovery of fire or the wheel.
    Researchers are calling it the “Holy Floor Pie Effect.”
    It will have profound consequences for interplanetary travel, lunar landings, footless
    dwarves and retirement homes.

    A practical demonstration of the tech can be easily created in the comfort of your own home.
    Open one bottle of bourbon.
    Take one finger measure of aforementioned bourbon
    (the finger should be vertical, not horizontal – YOU will be horizontal)
    and pour into a glass.
    Drink the bourbon.

    Now, attach one Vaquera bourbon chocolate pecan pie securely onto a cat’s back, right side up.
    Drop the cat/pie combination from a comfortable height of 4 or 5 feet (1.35M).
    As has been repeatedly proven over the years, Vaquera’s pie will always attempt to fall upside
    down on the floor.
    Everyone knows that cats always land on their feet.
    These opposing forces will cause the cat/pie combination to hover approximately 47 cm. above
    the floor in a state of dynamic equilibrium.

    As of this writing, a herd of cats is being rounded up to see how this discovery will behave if the
    principle is extended to incorporate a raft of cats and two score attached pies.

    The US President-Erect has ordered that all bourbon warehouses be guarded by his allies, the FBI,
    as he considers this a matter of national security.
    He is a well-known proponent of science and he likes cats.
    Experiments are also underway at a secret desert location in California with The Macallan although
    supplies are rumoured to be being depleted at an alarming rate.
    It is thought that more will be required following an upcoming A&E series.
    We are not at liberty to disclose the experimenter’s name at this moment in time.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9b1ec23c551481b200ba443d76f875ba429fce75aac6e813d1e74cdd5995961.jpg

    • Scream Nevermore

      How could we ever have doubted that OT powers exist? I am ashamed!

    • Scott H

      Was going to attempt this with my kitties but the vicious “we know where you sleep and the barefooted path you take at 3am to the loo” look gave me pause.

      • Draco

        Wise decision…

    • kemist

      Finally, a discovery that will help those poor footless dwarves. Perhaps it will increase worldwide stocks of Macallan.

    • Vaquera

      The cats are quite curious to find out if this phenomenon can be replicated any day of the year or exclusively on the third Thursday in November.
      Inquiring felines want to know.
      Wrinkly dogs could care less.

    • PickAnotherID

      Good luck with that herd of cats. You might ask “MythBusters” how they made out giving it a try.

      And it’s been established for years that cats can levitate quite nicely without pies. How else could they get from the floor to the top of the fridge in the time it takes to blink? (f5)

      http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2010/01/2f2d38378b9934e9733ce2a9ad78dda9-1264607667.gif

    • iampissed

      Not going to let the pie thing go…are ya?

    • John Prince

      ..You leave Cats out of this! The ancient Egyptians didn’t revere Cats as Gods for nothing,you know! !!!

  • madame duran
    • Missionary Kid

      TICK, FUCKING TOCK, DAVY!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    So much time is devoted to curating and massaging the ever-evolving monument to Ron Hubbard with new factoids pulled from the arse of fiction in readiness for each new opening. Is Dan Sherman paid a penny a word, though?

    It’s so quiet in here. I want to shout at the top of my voice: HAPPY MORNING-AFTER, BUNKEROOS!! But that would be mean. I hope you all had a fabulous day 🙂

    • Newiga

      Have a fabulous day, sweetie! xxoo

      • daisy

        I am not sure if it was you or not, but if it was would you post – singing We stand Tall in emoji*s. I think you posted it one day while you were at work. It may have been Rasha too. I t was the funniest thing I had ever seen and i was always sorry i didn*t save it. Only if it isn*t to much trouble. You look so sweet in the pictures , which makes me think you are at the center of all the trouble.

        • Newiga

          I think it was Rasha…I haven’t seen this post…
          I wish I had come up with that because it sounds hilarious and genius!

    • Robert Eckert
    • dungeon master

      ‘factoids pulled from the arse of fiction’.. Such a lovely turn of phrase! ^^^^ this.

    • Draco

      Ah! That’s what’s going on…I forgot about all the festivities yesterday.

  • Observer

    Is that why COB’s pompadours are beginning to resemble winter waves on the North Shore–a subtle homage to Teegeeack’s only surfing Big Being? The thought of Lafayette on a surfboard gives me the giggles.

    Also, I am happy to report a Thanksgiving miracle: there was not a single word about politics. Not one.

    • TonyOrtega

      “Lafayette on a surfboard.” Please make it so, Observer.

      • kemist

        ^^^^^^^

      • Observer

        I’m working today, so after work. Ooo, the possibilities…

        • Asillem4

          Please Sir, can you make him jump the shark?

          • PickAnotherID

            Or a “whale”?

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Or have him riding tandem with TC and jumping the couch!

              Just when you think that the corporate cherch under lil davey’s malign administration had finally learned its lesson about touting Elron’s completely fabricated personal history in public, this new claim comes along.

              You really can’t care about credibility at all when you make such easily debunked claims as this one, can you? Or maybe lil davey is just picking up where Elron left off in seeing how bizarre of claims that he can make and still have people buy into that bullshit. Lil davey is nowhere near as clever as Elron was, but he’s every bit as sadistic, if not more so.

    • kemist

      Makes me think of the aftermath of the second referendum for the independance of Québec.

      “No” won by not quite 1% IIRC. It was quite tense, even in high school. It was weird to be scolded for how you would have voted when none of those arguing even had the right to vote.

    • Dave is Chairman of the Board, after all.

      • Peter

        Chairman of the Bored?

    • flyonthewall

      re politics, us neither. Thank Xenu

  • Ella Raitch

    Ironic that Dinky Dave is telling tall tales…

  • Jack99

    Maybe he was talking about Hubbard surfing a gravitational wave. You know, ripples in the fabric of space and time and so on and so forth.

  • Newiga

    OH THAT RON! He may have not invented surfing but surf music is an entirely different matter. He was Arp Cola after all, the inventor of music.

    I never heard “cottage on the bluff” before. So I word cleared googled “bluff”. F5 MissCabbage might be on to something here. 😛

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d8610fdbee530ce1eac0f4517195b6cc14364e57d2344e1a662ab34ca68d32c.jpg

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      One day we will have a Bunker Quiz and I’m telling you guys, Newiga will win the music round. What she doesn’t know about The Great Scientology Songbook isn’t worth knowing. She’s learned all the words and everything!

      • Newiga

        Aaaaw! I’m blushing here! xx

        Ps. I’m still remembering our Bohemian Rhapsody sing-a-long fondly. What a way to start the morning. 😀

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Sunday morning on the boat, everyone getting ready to go out for the day; hunting for gloves, finishing up their coffee, re-packing their bags. A lone voice (Rob or Johnny? I can’t remember) from one end of the boat starts singing Bohemian Rhapsody under their breath. One or two join in quietly from different corners of the boat, a couple more join in a little louder, until by the chorus we’re all singing at the top of our lungs – with harmonies! – and grinning from ear to ear 😀

          • Draco

            SP Flash Mob!

          • Vaquera

            Glorious

          • Newiga

            I remember starting the song due to my hangover. “Is this the real life or is this just fantasy..” 😉

          • daisy

            I think bunkerfest East might be the funnest sect of our little cult. Thank you for all the pictures and stories. Weegy looks so sweet and innocent but I sense a little instigator in her. i have already noted your trouble making skills

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              She is a beautiful cross between a flower fairy and a cheeky monkey!

    • RandomSP
  • Draco

    Said Erin: “We’ve experienced more growth (worldwide) in the past 10 years than in the previous 50 years combined.”

    The truth: Said Erin: “We’ve experienced more bad or negative press (worldwide) in the past 10 years than in the previous 50 years combined.”

    “They oversee a volunteer staff of 165, who work to cover daytime, evening and weekend shifts from 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily.”
    Are they really claiming 165 staff at SD Org? I do hope the journalist pops in unexpectedly, during the “daytime, evening and weekend shifts” so see if he can spot the 165 staff… I suspects the crickets outside will make more noise than the “165” staff.

    • OOkpik

      Bad press about Scientology is increasing exponentially, unlike Scientology’s stats.

      (Go, Leah!)

    • Missionary Kid

      When I went in there (just to the small reception area – the rest of the first floor was taken up with the parking garage), it was claimed that 100 people worked there at the time. I was there maybe 20 minutes, and saw about several people come and go, but all were dressed like staff, except for one lady that arrived when I was leaving.

      Next time I go to SD, I’ll observe the org a little longer and report back.

      • Draco

        Oh goody. From what I hear from my friend in SD, the org is pretty dead, with very few staff and hardly any public. They probably shanghaied some people onto staff, but these will leave as soon as hunger suggest a paying job just might be the way to go. I also expect that they have put in some Sea Org as staff to boost numbers and ‘Boom the org”, but they will either take the opportunity to blow, or they will be recalled and RPFd for NOT booming the org.

        Scientology – there is no boom left to be had. (Haha – in Afrikaans, “boom” means tree, but is also slang for marijuana). Either way – no boom to be had.

    • Ben Franklin

      Maybe the church is counting all their 165 San Diego Org members as volunteer staff.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s what I figured, but $ciontolomath is a dodgy and ethereal thing.

        • Ben Franklin

          I would be surprised if many of the Church’s Ideal Orgs even have active 1000 members / users

    • chukicita

      Tampa Org just claimed more than 200 staff, and boasts ‘packed’ courserooms. Although I never see anyone go in there.

      What the hell do they DO all day? What is “work” for a Scientology staffer?

  • Draco

    Times of San Diego posted this link to a video “Ron’s personal message to San Diego”. You have to watch this. Hubbard claims very directly and emphatically to have brought surfing to the area. He also praises the Guardian’s Office and its stellar work (this is 1978).
    The video starts with some music which sounds like it was performed by ElRon hisself:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4yDU6MbkM8

    • Draco

      Hee hee – quite a few SPs’ pics are in this…including David Mayo sitting there with auditing folders while Hubbard blathers on about standard tech! Oh, the irony…

    • Robert Eckert

      This was worse than Miscavige narrating the Life of Pie-Eye. I could barely get past the Thus-farted-Zarathustra.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      “You know, San Diego and I are no strangers…did you know that I brought surf-boarding from Hawaii down to that San Diego beach? I did.” (08:19)

      • Draco

        IKR? So Miscavige didn’t just pull this out his arse. It comes from the guru’s mouth directly. Therefore it must be true. Just like the rest of his history…

    • dungeon master

      Why is there a large breasted woman’s swimsuit between two lions butts on the GO symbol? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43bbc6757fcd1f8942aec4a97cb31f6c6bf0ff697b24e8289ae9ff9a26b8fd15.png

      • Draco

        To commemorate the beach and surfing?

        That is weird though. Wonder what it’s supposed to mean?

    • dungeon master

      I was very disappointed there were no boo hoos and alien monolith at the end of that tinny recording of ‘A Space Odessey’.

  • FredEX2

    When journalist Ken Stone asks about the criticism that Scientology has been known as a ‘mind control cult’ and Ms. Banks replies with “I don’t hear that at all. That’s something we used to run across, say, in the ’70s.”

    Erin dear, come to present time. Hang on to your hat! I promise you won’t faint. It’s November 2016…( not the 70’s when you couldn’t have heard or ‘run across’ anything…bc you weren’t even born yet ). And nearly everyday…since before the 70’s…thru currently…Scientology is STILL known as a mind control cult.

    • dungeon master

      Was that her giving a tour of AOSHNZ (or whatever the hell they call the enormous building in Oz)? They described the grounds as ‘garden of Eden’, and she said the same BS about it being so 70s (being called a mind control cult). And she wore GoGo boots! All the while Steve Cannane reported from outside the gate. What a farse!

  • Robert Ramsay

    The photo of the event where they are pulling the ribbon off the building looks optically strange in that the people’s heads in the foreground are all angled in such way that the background is really closer than shown.Making more with less I suspect.

    • Draco

      “The Scilon Egghead” – a rare phenomenon that only emerges at scilon events.

    • Typically, they use extreme wide-angle lenses which distort perspective in just the way you describe (making things seem closer together).

      They also crowd people into a small area and fill the frame with it. The camera is pointed down from above so that you can’t see that the area around that ‘crowd’ is empty, and you are supposed to ‘fill in the blank’ and imagine a much bigger crowd than actually exists.

      Unfortunately for them, using an extreme wide-angle too close and tilting it results in some strange distortions of the subject. Consequently, even Scientology crowd shots that have been not been photoshopped look somehow unreal.

      • Missionary Kid

        Exactly. Next time I’m in San Diego, I’m going to measure out the area they herded people into.

        What made the density rather low is that there were folding chairs set up for everyone.

    • Missionary Kid

      Knowing the location of the San Diego ideal org, and looking at the photos, I quite generously estimated 1,200 people there. The pictures taken make the street look far wider than it was, and people weren’t on the sidewalks. From memory, the street was probably about 56 feet wide, and the building is about 100′ long. The photos make things look as if the area was about 100′ wide and 200′ long. That’s nearly a factor of 4.

      If you want someone to look ugly, take a wide angle picture of them up close. That’s how bad the distortion is.

  • FredEX2

    Oh! I so hope that Obs and Marc will post shoops of Hubbard on a surfboard! ( and Miscavige on a cracker ) Better yet! Add a great white shark in there somewhere too 😆

    • What’sup
      • dungeon master

        THAT is an awesome photo!

      • FredEX2

        WOW! I will never go surfing again!

        • Missionary Kid

          It depends on where you are, IMO. Sharks are everywhere, but don’t usually attack, or else the human toll would be thousands of times higher.

          I’ll take my chances in the ocean any day over driving. You’re far more likely to be injured or killed driving than swimming in the ocean here in the U.S.

      • ReallyMGM

        FYI If y’all are into the shark stuff there is a great site to track the ones that have been tagged at http://www.ocearch.org

    • dungeon master

      Do we have LRH jumping the shark in any shoops? My favorite expression for a story gone insanely impossible. His whole history is a series of shark jumps. And I like the idea of Miscavige on a cracker – perhaps stuck some cheese whiz?

  • What’sup

    “….and all the people on the beach were totally frothin’ and super stoked to see Ron ripping, getting shacked and spending hella time in the green room, brah”

    • Missionary Kid

      He was, to use an anachronistic term, a hodad.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology sandwich?
    Smoked clams with niacin dressing on wry dread.

    Hubbard, with his pseudoscientific past lives and BTs,
    was in no doubt that there is life after death.
    His loyal followers, given the appalling conditions in
    which they frequently find themselves, would be better
    off asking if there is life before death and life after debt.

    Erin Banks and Ken Stone?
    Let he who is without BTs cast the first stone.
    How appropriately she is surnamed for a $cientology spokesperson.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a8b78d4b582d9f8473254531c73f4d8841174339c4590622d9f70ba95ab991a.jpg

  • FredEX2

    LRH wasn’t just the very first surfer on the west coast…braving tsunamis and fending off great white sharks just to show us all how it’s done…he ALSO singlehandedly discovered fire and invented the
    wheel.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae9a2aa891a889a41effc21ede6423d55133f3b9cf5004245e91d46b2a13f5bd.png

    • kemist

      When faced with complaints from the first users of the wheel, LRH defended his invention by arguing that “it’s workable”.

    • Scientology works and it rolls people.

      https://youtu.be/jvvL16rVxyQ?t=6m45s

      (Those shapes only work across the diameter, not the radius, so that’s going to be a nasty bumpy ride.)

  • RandomSP

    ‘He told me’, said his Uncle Arnie, ‘that he went into a bookstall and picked up all the self-help and religion books from the rack. He took a big pile home to see what it was that people wanted to read. He thought a lot of it was junk and he knew he could do better. That’s how he started writing Dianetics.’

  • PickAnotherID

    How surfing really got invented: (f5)

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/of2eMkciYGE/hqdefault.jpg

    • chukicita

      Not sure what happened to ‘slumstoschool.com’ — it’s currently available. The Twitter account pointing to it was active for about a month or two in 2009, though.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c8dd79b10ca5d02c0b37a7d269520b3873abc6e720d3f1a8628780eaab89331.jpg

      • BosonStark

        You can tell how serious their mission was, in the expedition to find an iced latte, and then it was off to do word clearing on the instructors. It’s hard to decide which activity transformed civilization more.

      • kemist

        From personal experience, I would advise any westerner against seeking any non-bottled cold drink in Kolkata, unless :

        1) All their vaccinations are up to date

        2) They’ve got fast and easy access to good antibiotics

        • For stuff like the Volunteer Ministers off to places like Haiti, I never see anything about making sure that their shots are up to date before going.

          I have a horrible feeling that they (a) tend to be anti-vax, (b) depend on the Tech to protect them.

          • kemist

            If they did not destroy their liver with niacin overdoses, Hep A will do that nicely for them.

            That is, if the 20L / day bacterial diarrhea doesn’t kill them first. Touch assists won’t help with that, I’m afraid.

            • Good thing they couldn’t possibly get tetanus scrambling through earthquake rubble. They have postulates against that.

        • chukicita

          Maybe that’s why the mission seemed to change from “let’s build an orphanage” to “let’s build benches for an existing school where some orphans go.” They were in and out of Kolkata in just over a month. The last tweet on the account was April 1 2009.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5312192a05b1a124c55ea886a17361b3e84baa1ba63b4b4c22b9d18bb23b3f25.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d1e8e296027d03ce9b407167ac787b60509434966ca10a6b2b5693dd016ae89.jpg

          • kemist

            “Stomach flu”. Lmao.

            What a cute name for evacuating all the water content of your body via your asshole. If this person is still alive, there’s a nice Kolkotan with way more sense that they who helped them.

            Would not surprise me at all, Kolkotans are excessively kind people.

        • Missionary Kid

          I was born there when it was a British colony, and I still have the smallpox vaccination scar on my thigh, probably administered close to birth.

          I hope the Indians slap the colonial $cientology shit right out of their minds. They’re idiots.

    • BosonStark

      That’s probably where Karin Pouw is. She’s helping to set up orphanages around the world. Or maybe she’s working on a way to happiness farm, where they’re spreading happiness on the crops, which will feed all the people on the planet who are starving for Hubbard’s spiritual technology.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    OT. Literally hours of post-Thanksgiving fun for all the family.

    http://trumpdonald.org/

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Deleted cause: pre-coffee dumbness. 🙂

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Never mind…page wasn’t loaded all the way. Got it. Hahahaha!!

    • PickAnotherID

      Or, if you’re completely sick of anything related to Trump, Clinton, or “Black Friday”, today is ‘National Day of Listening’. A great way to save your famiy’s history while the stuffing leftovers have itheir way with you. (f5)

      http://carrollhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nationalday-of-listening-slider3.jpg

      https://storycorps.me/

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        What a fantastic idea!

      • Scott H

        ^^this^^ Awesome idea, consider it done.

    • Newiga

      We need this with MissCabbage!! Pompadour flying the in the wind of a trumpet.

    • lol – hours of fun

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Even his lies are a f**king snooze-fest. 😴💤

    LRH – The tryptophan of cult leaders.

  • ze moo

    When did Lron join the Marine Corps? If he was pulping from ’34 to ’41, why did he join the Marines in the late ’30’s? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Trying to get the truth out of any Clam and from Lron himself, is an impossible task. He told so many tall tales that even Lron didn’t know the truth anymore. Not that telling the truth about anything was ever in Lron character.

    • Missionary Kid

      He was in some sort of ROTC, IIRC.

      • ze moo

        No, he joined the Marine Corp Reserve in the late 30’s. I can’t tie down any dates though. The ROTC is for college people only, something Lron stopped being in ’34. Lron was a grunt in the Marines and got himself into the Navy Officer Corp just before Pearl Harbor.

        • Missionary Kid

          IMO, being in that unit wouldn’t even qualify him to be called a grunt. It was, in essence, an ROTC Marine Reserve unit. See Grundoon’s post, quoting form “Ron the War Hero.”

    • chukicita

      Ron was not a Marine.

      • Missionary Kid

        He was briefly in some sort of ROTC in the USMC Reserves. It was some sort of Mickey Mouse outfit, but he, of course, claimed to be a Marine.

      • Missionary Kid

        See Grundoon’s post. That clears up the story somewhat. As a Marine, I would never consider him one. I think the outfit he was in was almost akin to a Young Marines camp for kids.

    • grundoon

      Chris Owen writes in Ron the “War Hero”…

      On May 1, 1930, [L. Ron Hubbard] enlisted with the 20th Marine Corps Reserve, a Reserve training unit connected to George Washington University in Washington, D.C. His duties were light in the extreme: on the day that he joined he was transferred to an inactive state and over the next 18 months performed only about five weeks’ active duty (all for training) . On October 22, 1931, Hubbard received an honourable discharge from the Marine Reserve. In another hand beneath this is written, “Not to be re-enlisted.” There is no explanation of either statement.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e731575849dfa726bdfbcd7d2b2f69c23fd5ce14d27d33fe0b298953bdb434d.gif

  • BosonStark

    Ron, being of modest means, and not yet having made his fortune in pulp fiction, used his wife Polly as a surfboard.

    • ze moo

      That being the best job a pregnant woman could get during the Depression.

      • BosonStark

        It was also the type of research which led to Dianutty.

        • ze moo

          Holy engrams bat man.

  • Richard
    • jazzlover

      Bravo! That Italian air agrees with you. How’s the lire doing? 😉

    • PickAnotherID

      “Don’t worry, you can use my sock…”. Hee!

      Wonder how many “Guests” there’ll be??

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Totally hilarious…comic genius at work!

  • Hamtaro

    If LRH had really invented California surfing, wouldn’t that big Beach Boys hit be titled “Surfin’ OSA”?

    • The Dude

      Now I am going to be singing that all day

    • Newiga

      LOL

    • jazzlover

      Wouldn’t it be nice to ride out to Kokomo on a sloop john b this time of year? 😉

  • chukicita

    I was under the impression that surfing had its origins in Inca culture. There is archaeological evidence in Peru of surfing more than 2,000 years old.

    Maybe Elron was thinking of a previous life as an Inca. Sure, that’s it.

    • Until Elron showed them how, no one was doing surfing properly, you see. It’s all very interesting.

    • Juicer77

      “If everybody had a Sec Check….”

  • SarahDB

    Doin’ the Happy Regraded Being Friday snoopy dance! And the So glad I’m not shopping today dance! http://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-73/

  • Why can’t you believe Lil Davey? Is this not Elwrong standing on his really longboard? C’mon! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/93efc82cbdcec6959436338a720bb458cd905d67cf56c8f60c6a9563e3d06ef4.jpg

  • BosonStark

    Scientology is always claiming to impart a “whole new meaning” to something. It’s part of their fifty shades of fraud Shermanspeak boilerplate. This time it’s California Dreaming.

    Stopped in to an org I passed along the way.
    Browsed a copy of Dianutty, and pretended I was going to play.
    You know the reg liked the cold;
    He thinks I’m gonna to pay.
    Scientology dreamin’ on L. Ron Hubbard Way.

  • Robert Eckert
    • ze moo

      The NY Times has a great article on Trumpys Scottish golf course. I love one quote:

      ” while Ruth Davidson, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, described him (Trump) as a “clay-brained guts, a knotty-pated fool.”

      Such a nice turn of phrase.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/donald-trump-scotland-wall.html

      • chukicita

        Another Scot described him as ‘great orange hellbeast.’ Everything sounds better in a brogue.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Tom Tomorrow, tellin’ it like it is with wry wit and dry humor for many years! Love to see him do a strip on Elron or lil davey the savage!

      • MarcabExpat

        What a great idea — wonder if Tony can get him to do that? They’re friends, right?

    • MarcabExpat

      LOVE Tom Tomorrow!

  • The Dude

    A big Post-Thanksgiving hug to all my Bunker Peeps!!!!!!!
    Turkey Day was busy but I am relaxing for the weekend.
    Cheers!

    • Juicer77

      Hey, dude!

    • grundoon

      Don’t be a stranger!

    • daisy

      I hope the bunny and the boy are well.

  • gtsix

    Well then. Happy day after everybody! Grand day yesterday. Feasted on phenomenal foods, gabbed with many friends. And watched the Vikings demonstrate how they have mastered the art of losing from the winning position.

    Erin Banks, call your mother. And tell her I said she should go fuck herself.

  • PickAnotherID

    Totally O/T – Just a reminder today is the hearing in David Love’s suit against narCONon in Canada. Media is supposed to be in he courtroom. Can we get an update here later today Tony??

  • Dave Reams

    I wonder how much the L Ron Naughts pay Google to auto complete “ortega.xxx” when I start to type “tony” in my browser?

    • TonyOrtega

      That’s not Scientology. It’s another billionaire I pissed off. Bruce McMahan.

      • LongtimeLurker

        You can always judge a man by the quality of his enemies.

      • grundoon

        eeeewwww

        The rarified world of hedge-fund millionaires was stunned yesterday by the bizarre saga of 67-year-old Bruce McMahan and his long-lost love child, Linda – who were reunited after two decades, allegedly carried on a steamy off-and-on affair for seven years and then got “married” in a hush-hush ceremony in Westminster Abbey.
        – Paul Tharp, New York Post, September 28, 2006

      • Bob Crouch

        Ouch. Quite a story, that one!

      • Dave Reams

        Friends, don’t make the mistake I did of Googling Bruce McMahan! The putrid stench will make you want to wretch.

  • PickAnotherID

    Crap! Just heard Florence Henderson, “The Brady Bunch” mom, has died at age 82.

    • The Dude

      I know. Another piece of my childhood gone.

    • lori banister

      Kind of broke my heart. RIP, Mrs. Brady!

    • “2016, eat a Snickers Bar!”
      “Why?”
      “Because you act all 1346 when you get hungry.”

    • iampissed

      Kind of feels like the mom you never had is gone.

  • chukicita

    It’s a poor and hopefully temporary substitute, but because Obs and Mark seem to be preoccupied or “working” or just have messed up priorities…

    f5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0bc75fea7e9d35530670bbea4ac7622ad9a11efeba6e36de5b32bf1ee1f811f6.jpg

    • jazzlover

      roflmao

    • Spoiler alert: I have seen that movie and he doesn’t make it. The other one is just cracking up!

      • jazzlover

        “Better get a bigger boat”

    • Newiga

      HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! This is awesome! MissCabbage.. xD

    • FredEX2

      You did it! Hubs on a board, McSavage on a cracker AND a great white shark! 😘

    • Juicer77

      LOLOLOLOL

  • iampissed

    This was inspired by a down tread. Sorry I couldn’t find the posters name.

    Lyrics
    All the Regg’s in brown and their skin is kind of gray
    I’ve been for a walk on LRH way
    I’d be safe and warm if the Regg would just stay away
    Scientology dreading’ on such a winter’s day

    All the leaves are down and the RPF blows them away
    I’ve been for a walk on LRH way
    They’d be safe and warm if family could come and stay
    Scientology dreading’ on such a winter’s day

    I stopped into a ORG I was ordered into today
    Well The cans are in my hands and I pretended to Pay
    You know the Regg’s liked the cold, they know I’m gonna Pay
    Scientology dreading’ on such a winter’s day

    I’d be safe and warm
    I’d be safe and warm
    I’d be safe and warm
    I’d be safe and warm

    All the leaves are brown and the sky is gray
    I’ve been for a walk on LRH way
    If I didn’t go, Couldn’t see my family today
    Scientology dreading’ on such a winter’s day
    Oh such a dismal day
    On such a dismal day

  • lori banister

    OT- just browsing the Daily Mail. There is a relatively bland article about Leah and the Ellen DeGeneres show appearance (yay!-it’s getting good coverage), but the interesting part is in the reader comments. Some people are loving on Leah (loving on her myself) of course, but almost all have a nasty, in your face opinion on Scamatology. I love seeing how informed the public is becoming thanks to all of the brave people who are and have been speaking out.

  • Phil Jones

    Network Disclaimer: Any views or opinions expressed by Leah Remini’s show are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of,,,, oh hell, what are we talking about, we all know how Scientology is viewed by the world. It’s an abusive cult and may contain nuts. Also, please drink responsibly.

    • jazzlover

      Those with peanut allergies consult your physicians prior to consuming.

    • iampissed

      May contain nuts…snort.

    • Personal Disclaimer

      Any views or opinions expressed by me are mine for as long as I can remember what I said (which is not very long) or until I change my mind – unless I’ve said anything stupid, in which case we should all forget about it.

      My views and opinions do not typically represent the opinion or policy of anyone or anything else, but someone else should almost always be held responsible for my errors, omissions or missing shoelaces.

      I take full responsibility for the occasions when I’m right. When there is money in it, I will also acknowledge the times when I’m wrong. Sometimes I’m not sure. In such a case the umpire is obliged to give me the benefit of the doubt and provide new balls.

      I take every reasonable effort to occasionally make sense, but no liability can be accepted for anything that happens to anyone who takes me seriously, particularly surreal consequences. In the case of surreal events remember – the giraffe’s hat has the answer to porridge.

      Anyone who accepts the conditions of participation in conversation with the party of the first part and has accepted the sanity clause (yes, party of the second part, there is a sanity clause) should remind me that I went in for milk if they find me in a supermarket, looking puzzled.

      • daisy

        Ditto for daisy,who can not find her up arrows key – Very very funny because in my case it is true.

  • nottrue
  • nottrue
  • Edward Whalley

    Well, it sure beats what he DID say about China, and how he got there. Here again, I’m forced to compare and contrast SF’s real Old China Hand, Paul Linebarger, whose feeling for that country was both respectful and warm. (He also knew the language, for one thing. And his father knew the real-life counterpart of Fu Manchu.)

    No contest who I’d eat a New Year’s banquet with!

  • I think you ought to cut the Bankses some slack, Tony—after all, Tubbo Tublard told so very, very many porkies it must be awfully hard for poor Erin and Nick to keep up with them all. That lying sod Dan Sherman, on the other hand, deserves no mercy when he mixes things up… (rewax board with ‘Auditor’s Choice’ hand-cream?): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f65e84d842fcc419fe8d4e4132c18999f47930fe60296c38fe1d805cf7d0fbec.jpg

    • jazzlover

      My leftover turkey coma was quickly making me surf bored, but I woke up upon seeing this.

      • Pepto-Bismol can be a powerful soporific under certain circumstances, I believe.

        • jazzlover

          LOL. I think you may have just given me an idea for pink turkey soup 😉

          • I find Euthymol Original works better for that 😉

            • jazzlover

              Ha! Makes MSG seem downright fluid by comparison 😉

      • Chewkacca

        After thanksgiving, I can only say one thing: BUUURRP!

    • The need for speed

    • Suzy

      Pass the eye bleach

    • Ella Raitch

      Hang ten x 4.7

  • Phil Jones

    “In May 2008, the San Diego Church of Scientology bought a former Coleman College property in La Mesa for $9.3 million. After languishing without development, the church sold it off in 2013 — for $9.3 million.”

    And then they just renovated the old building? So did they return the donations for a new building? I didn’t think so.

    • jazzlover

      Wow. 0% interest over 5 years. I know Madoff must be laughing his ass off.

      • Phil Jones

        Except that Miscavige pocketed the entire $9.3 million, then did additional fund raising for the renovations, and nobody caught on to the scam.

        • jazzlover

          Ahhhh. Now I get it. I had too much gobble gobble yesterday 😉 In this case, Madoff is laughing at Duggan and Cardone.

        • do you know what legal entity owns the buildings?

          • Phil Jones

            I think it’s the Int Landlord office. Definitely not the local Org though.

  • nottrue
    • Thanks.
      7:58 “Its like they’re all brainwashed.”

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    They forgot to mention L. Ron Hubbard taught the other surfers to do sky-diving with him that same week. Also LRH composed the music score for the movie Point Break:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWI7R-UmlGM

  • edge

    Did Hubbard audit the surfboard like he audited the tomato plant? Because if he wiped out, the board was out ethics and if he put his ears to the board really closely, he could hear it laughing at him. Totally not cool.

  • MagicMan

    Can someone please explain this? I don’t understand how ex-scientologists like Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Tory Christman, etc, escape prosecution for the things they did while in the cult. Surely, there must be ex-members who were beaten or held against their will; wouldn’t they have a legal argument for either civil or criminal charges against the former execs? Thanks for any help on that.

    • nope!

      • MagicMan

        What does “nope” mean; it can’t be explained, or there is no legal recourse for victims?

        • why do you ask?

          • MagicMan

            Because it seems like an obvious question. If the former execs committed crimes while in the cult, can they be prosecuted by the victims? The whole cult seems rotten through and through, but does leaving it mean the acts committed by former members are simply excused because it was a “church”?

            • “beaten or held against their will” by “Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Tory Christman”
              Where do you get this from?

            • MagicMan

              Hey, don’t get bogged down by any specifics, OK. This isn’t a trick question. If you can’t answer it, please quit replying. My general question is very clear: Can former members be prosecuted for ANY crime they may have committed? If someone on the board will answer that simple question, thanks.

            • you come here with a new account and serious accusations! i smell a rat

            • MagicMan

              You won’t answer a simple question about whether or not former execs can be held accountable for crimes they committed while in the cult. It has nothing to do with anything other than an honest inquiry into whether the fact CoS is a “church” protects ex-members from any crimes they may have committed.

            • of course they can and they do, but only where there is a case. I don’t know any case about those people you mention.

            • Kim O’Brien

              the church hates it’s ex members . protecting them does not really go with the ” let’s create a web site and tell everyone how horrible these ex members are ” . So ..i think your question ….is just kind of a stupid one . They flat out call them criminals . what is this ” protection” that you speak of ??

            • MagicMan

              OK. Let’s try this. There have been many prosecutions of clergy in other religions. Many times leaders of churches do things that harm members and the harmed member files a law suit. That’s all I’m asking about with regard to former members of CoS. Why is that such a dark, dangerous thing to discuss? I would think it would be very relevant given that there really ARE horrible things going on in the name of CoS…right now…today. So, can those people be prosecuted today? And, wouldn’t that be a logical question to ask about the legality of ex leaders who may have done things while in positions of CoS power?

            • since it’s apparently your first time here *cough* maybe you should read Tony Ortega’s blog from the beginning! Why do you think we are here in the first place? Your question Is not exactly a taboo as you keep referring too!

            • Kim O’Brien

              it is not ” dark and dangerous ” thing to discuss you drama queen . You are not here as some sort of scientology warrior …asking questions no one else ever has . It’s a cult . You think someone can have Marty arrested 20 years later cuz he slapped them and promised super powers ? Or have him arrested for being a lying sack of shit and then sue him for wearing a fake uniform and saluting a dog ? Or better yet …who does someone sue for turning a child against a parent ??

              How about YOU give people here some suggestions ?? I mean ..ya just got here , so what do YOU think the reason is ??

            • If Scientology organisations (e.g. Narconon) and the Scientologists who run them (up to including David Miscavige) are not being prosecuted for actions which have led to the death of people in the care, nobody is going to be chasing ex-members who have typically done nothing but illegal.

              I don’t understand your emphasis on ex-members (who are presently critics of Scientology) instead of the people who are committing crimes and abuse right now.

              There is, of course the ongoing legal action in which Laura DeCrescenzo is accusing Scientology of have a fixed policy of forcing Sea Org members to have abortions that may soon come to trial http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/15/scientology-denied-california-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/ However, that’s an accusation against Scientology leadership, including people who are still in power.

              Yes. It’s possible to prosecute crimes committed by Scientology in the past. However official bodies hesitate to do so because Scientology’s fixed policy is to explore every legal avenue in order to delay proceedings and cost their opponent money. Many official organisations would use up all their resources fighting an organisation which has a fortune in the bank and it prepared to use it to frustrate the intent of the law.

            • jazzlover

              The issue of criminal prosecution is not one totally decided by the victims of said crimes. That being said, the agencies that have been charged with protecting the citizens of this (or any other) country have plenty on their hands to worry about. It’s a matter of priority. For instance, the FBI claims that there are around 20 serial killers operating in the US at any given minute. Those who have studied this “phenomena” claim it’s more like 300! Then there are the not so minor issues of child and sex trafficking, not to mention terrorist groups like ISIS.

              Of course, victimized ex’s could go the civil suit route, but that’s a whole different can of worms than criminal prosecution.

            • Bob Crouch

              There have been some instances when it has come close to that, or where this is still under litigation. However, these lawsuits are generally directed against the “church,” not individual former (or present) executives. This is because (a) those functionaries acted on behest of the “church” at the time, and (b) good luck trying to extract any damage award from one of those impoverished executives. And “no award” (and a potential plaintiff of little or no financial means) makes that it close to impossible to interest an attorney in taking up the cause.

              Also, there is the issue of statute of limitation. While it is readily apparent that the “church”–certainly its Hemet gulag–was/is an extremely abusive environment, it would be a lot more difficult to prosecute individuals, quite a few years after the fact.

              So, in theory it would be possible to prosecute individual executives for abuses they meted out. In practice, it’s not very likely.

              EDIT: I was assuming your question referred to a civil suit, as it would be near impossible to get an overworked prosecutor’s office interested in dedicating the resources (and risking their statistics) to such a long-shot. After writing this, I saw that Tony answered the question with respect to criminal suits. So, nothing to add here…

            • Robert Eckert

              “It has nothing to do with anything other than an honest inquiry” I say bullshit. You don’t have any record, so we have no reason to presume you are in good faith. The alternate hypothesis that your motive is just to provoke quarrels looks more probable on the face of it, given the long history of such behavior.

            • Kim O’Brien

              you think Tory beat ppl up and held them against their will ??

            • MagicMan

              It has nothing to do with her. I’m very glad that high-level execs have left and are exposing the crimes of Miscavige. But it’s weird that no one here will just discuss the issue about whether ANY ex-member (no matter who it is) could be prosecuted for things done while in the cult. Why is that such a forbidden topic?

            • Kim O’Brien

              the only ppl abusing scientologists ….are other scientologists . It’s a cult . They don’t really narc on each other . And there are statute of limitations . Ya know …logical stuff . It’s a freaking cult ….weird shit goes on …

            • lotsa weird shit 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              “It has nothing to do with her” Why did you name her then?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Don’t get bogged down by specifics?

              That’s a really odd thing to say, when asking an entire online community for an opinion on a complex subject.

            • MagicMan

              Look at this tread. Not a single person is even coming close to answering a simple question about the aftermath of a person leaving the CoS. I couldn’t care less who it would apply to. Why is it so hard to just answer whether or not ex-members can be prosecuted. How is that some trick question?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I did look at the thread, before I wrote my comment.

              I wasn’t really locked into an opinion about you at first..

              But seeing how your last round of responses have escalated and how quickly you went to throwing around pejorative terms like “trick question” and “forbidden topic”…

              …now I am.

              Btw, say I’m wrong? Maybe consider changing how you communicate.

              When several people all have a similar negative reaction, odds are they’re NOT the source of the issue.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Yes, they could be prosecuted for alleged crimes, IF the statute of limitations regarding those alleged crimes has not run out; and if the District Attorneys in the various jurisdictions in which the alleged crimes took place believed that there was sufficient evidence to ensure a conviction…both of which are pretty big “ifs”.

              Regarding the possibility of bringing civil suit against the cherch or specific individuals within it. It’s completely possible, and indeed, there’s a whole history of civil litigation that has been brought against the cherch, stretching back for decades. However, unless the plaintiff is independently wealthy or fortunate enough to have an experienced and deep-pocket law firm take up his/her cause either pro bono or on a contingency basis, actually prevailing in a civil suit against the cherch can be very difficult and take a very long time. That’s because, within the cherch’s most sacred scriptures, is the very clear injunction by the founder to fight such efforts tooth and nail, regardless of the costs, which is exactly what the cherch has done over many years and many court cases.

              Indeed, the cherch is perhaps the most aggressively litigious “religion” that’s ever existed on the face of the earth throughout all of history. And even if they know that they’re very likely to lose if a particular civil case against them were to go to a jury, they will postpone, delay and muck about with procedural points for as long as they can (thus costing plaintiffs money and years of their lives) and then settle, when forced to, at the very last moment in order to avoid going to trial and risk, for example, having Miscavige forced to testify under oath. And even then, those who’ve endured that gauntlet and wrestled the cherch into making a settlement offer, that offer always has very strict non-disclosure clauses preventing the plaintiffs from saying anything about the terms of settlement, and even forbidding them from continuing to speak out publicly about the specific incidents involving the cherch that caused them to sue in the first place.

              Hope that helps. There are a lot of very detailed blog posts here on the UB concerning many of the most famous past and present litigation efforts that should be searchable under the sub-category heading of “legal cases” or something similar. Taking on the cherch in the courts has never been easy and the reason for that goes back directly to founder whose command to the faithful has always been, “Always attack, never defend”

            • Because, by banging away at a loaded question you appear to be trying to associate ex-scientologists turned critics with criminal acts (which they have typically not committed).

              This is odd, considering that Scientology is doing unconscionable things right now (eg the way people are treated by Narconon). People who committed crimes can be prosecuted. That includes some ex and lots or present members of the CofS.

              Who are you thinking of, and what are their crimes… (that sounds familiar, somehow).

    • madame duran

      Explain this to me: how is it possible for a criminal cult to gain and maintain U.S. tax exemption despite having prior convictions and a shady past (including a founder who wrote policies to undermine democratic governments, law & order, truth and people of good will)?

      • Juicer77

        Another compelling question.

    • flyonthewall

      1. he said/she said over events that happened years ago, there’s not going to be any proof.
      2. ex’s will want help when they get out and if they start suing people, no one will help them
      3. chances are that they themselves could be sued for stuff they did while in as well. Very few people’s hands are going to be clean when you’re in deep with a criminal cult for years

    • Juicer77

      Hello, MagicMan. It’s a reasonable question how members of the “church” of $camatology continue to evade prosecution for crimes. The most reasonable answer is that people inside the church believe that it is *right* and *just* that they deserve such treatment. It’s all part of the mind-screw that makes a person think $camatology is the only good thing about them. Mike Rinder and Aaron Smith Levin talk about this in the video posted yesterday (around the 56 minute mark).

      Another point to consider is that the statute of limitations (meaning how long the government has to criminally prosecute people for crimes) has long passed in many of these instances.

      I’m not sure about calling people out specifically by name, because I am a never-in and have no personal knowledge of crimes. It’s dangerous to accuse people without firsthand knowledge. Just my two cents.

      • MagicMan

        Thank you! You’re about the only person who’s bothered to give a reasoned answer. I hadn’t thought about the statute of limitations…that really is a major road block. The more I learn about CoS, the more horrifying it is. It’s staggering to see that Miscavige gets away with his con game and criminal enterprise, all because he hides behind “religion”. It’s hard to believe someone hasn’t relieved DM from his earthly body, if you know what I mean. Anyway, thanks for the reply.

        • Juicer77

          No problem. Finally the tide has turned where the media is no longer afraid of lawsuits to print the facts against the Co$. Perhaps the government will some day take the hint!! Starting with denying that ridiculous tax exemption.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          “It’s staggering to see that Miscavige gets away with his con game and
          criminal enterprise, all because he hides behind ‘religion’. ”

          It’s astonishing AND disgusting! Another reason that the cherch, with lil davey the savage at the helm, has not been been brought to justice yet is that the cherch has spent tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars on the best legal defense teams that money can buy who’ve used every imaginable procedural maneuver, delaying tactic and, when all else failed, carefully crafted non-disclosure settlement agreements to postpone the cherch’s comeuppance for all the evil that it has wrought.

          However, it’s completely possible to win almost every one of these legal battles, but still lose the much wider war. And that’s because $cn, and the cherch’s sadistic, authoritarian leader, are not just on trial in formal justice settings, but also in the much wider court of public opinion, where no high-dollar legal weasel can do them any good and the consistent pattern of cult’s actions over a half century becomes the basis for the verdict that many informed individuals have already come to long ago. And it is also the judgement that many more will also come to as television, film and print journalism efforts, such Leah’s upcoming series, reach those who hadn’t previously been reached.

          • Juicer77

            When it all comes down to it, the ONLY person to benefit from the delay tactics and legal bullsh*tting is Mismanage. He is the only one who controls the big pile of cash and couldn’t care less if not another new victim walks in the door.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              It’s an excellent point, I’d just add the following conditioning remark. The ONLY reason that he’s even concerned about giving the appearance that new victims are coming through the doors is that the longer he can keep the con going, the longer he can stay in power and the more cash he can salt away for his future retirement/exile.

              My bet is that he’s been paying himself a fat salary for years and, perhaps, enhancing it with bonuses and commissions for his whale milking successes. So that by now, some three decades after usurping power in a palace coup, he’s legally amassed a tidy fortune that’s his golden parachute, regardless of whether or not the corporate cherch goes down in flames tomorrow or in a decade from now. He’s just enjoying the opportunity to practice sadism and dictatorial control over his underlings for as long as he can.

    • pluvo

      I’m one of the people who was held against their will. But not by those named above but by Miscavige’s lackeys CMO and Security.
      Why are you specifying “ex-Scientologists” and excluding “Scientologists”?

    • kemist

      A lot of people in a cult setting will be both victims as well as abusers.

      That’s because of the nature of both cults and humans. When humans are put in a situation where they are pushed to unethical behavior by authority (and threatened / punished when they refuse), very few will object, and cults are an environment where authority is unchecked.

      Some have confessed about doing such things and apologized to their victims. If the victims still feel like pressing charges, then they are free to do so, keeping in mind statutes of limitation. Often though, they have done similar things themselves, because of the cult milieu.

      I guess not coming back on those things, when they happened in such a fucked up setting is a way to get some peace at last.

    • grundoon

      An explanation by our host, Tony Ortega

    • FredEX2

      MagicMan, I’m not sure of anything Mike Rinder or Tory did that are crimes at all. As far as ‘Ex’s’ being prosecuted for things they did while ‘in’ Scientology…for instance if Marty Rathbun in his executive position committed crimes or planned & aided them being carried out…it was on the behalf of COB and CoS…so I would think it would be both COB & CoS that would be named as the main conspirators & criminals…and the Ex would be better subpoenaed as a witness.

      I am not sure, but if the statute of limitations in specific cases has passed for things like ‘stalking, harrassment, intentional infliction of emotional distress, burglary, uttering death threats, putting in fear…destruction of property,…and so forth…as are the tactics of Fair Game…and many other things that could be considered crimes or violations of personal rights…then if someone chose to, they could file a Civil suit to try to recoup the financial loss caused by all the crimes committed against them and have some sense of validation and compensation. If they don’t wish to deal with Scientology by suing them for damages…they could always tell their story…complete with names, dates, and evidence…to the media or by writing a book…All of the Ex’s you mentioned and so many others have been caused suffering themselves by this Cult..

  • Sejanus

    Did the Crimson Cyst come up with jet skiing too?

    • FredEX2

      Why, yes! Yes of course. What didn’t he invent? 😆

  • Rasha

    OMX, just a quick breather in preparation for today’s big dinner…. aw, jeeze. Gotta run….

  • Tony Ortega

    Answer for MagicMan: Marty Rathbun has admitted to destroying evidence in the Lisa McPherson matter while he was a top-ranked Scientology executive. He might have been prosecuted for that back in the day, but the statute of limitations has run out on such a thing, which happened nearly 20 years ago. Marty himself has also admitted to being a fearsome boss in the Sea Org, and Marc Headley, in Louis Theroux’s film, describes being slugged by Marty. But again, I don’t see a county prosecutor filing simple battery charges on an incident from two decades ago. As for Mike Rinder and Tory Christman, I can’t think of anything they did, or other people say they did, while they were in the church that could turn into charges. I guess the simplest answer to your question is that yes, certainly a prosecutor might charge an ex-Scientologist with a crime for something they did while they were in Scientology. But it’s a matter of what they are accused of, when it happened, and who might press charges. So, in that sense it’s such an open question it’s kind of useless, which is why you were probably getting some snarky answers. But can you suggest anything specific that an ex-Scientologist might get charged for? I can’t really think of any.

    • MarcabExpat

      Thanks for typing that up, it’s a genuinely useful answer.

      I think what got under my skin was that a brand new account holder asked exclusively about crimes committed by EXES while they were still in, while almost pointedly ignoring crimes committed against other members or exes by people who are still in. I think the chances are far higher of an ex suffering a miscarriage of justice (either getting trumped-up charges for something they didn’t do, or being unable to get justice for a crime committed against them by Scientologists) than of their escaping justice for crimes they did commit while still in. The whole question felt skewed. There was a faint whiff of “what are your crimes?”

      That, and dragging Tory’s name into in a way that implied she was guilty of crimes. That seemed dirty to me. The whole post just didn’t smell right.

  • Bob Crouch

    L Ron Hubbard, who could be equal to thee?

    Bill & Ted for their scholarship, philosophical wisdom and time travelling? Buckeroo Banzai for his versatility and leadership at whatever he touches? Zelig for having been present anywhere it ever mattered (Not to mention, like LRH, Zelig was quite the accomplished masturbator in his own right). Or Forrest Gump (although let’s not try to imagine Tubby running) where wisdom meets idiocy; and who’s to say which is which?

    Of course, they are all fantasy figures, made up from whole cloth! But then again, so is
    “LRH” (TM)!

  • daisy

    Sad to say Florence Henderson died. at 82. She in a small way influenced my early decision to be a nurse. My mom thought she was buying a book about Florence Henderson because I liked the Brady Bunch as a girl. It was a book about Florence Nightingale. I thought it might be something i would like.I got a part-time job at the local nursing home and put myself through school with that job. My mother thought a 15yr. old would enjoy a book about a show I watched as a girl LOL and smh

    • MarcabExpat

      This is a great story and you should be proud of it 🙂

  • chukicita

    The Freewinds is currently visible here:

    http://www.portarubawebcam.com/

  • aegerprimo

    I wanted to make a shoop of Ron on a surfboard, but I could not get Adobe Photoshop CS2 or CS3 to install on my new laptop running with Windows 10. Darn. Any suggestions anyone for a good shooping program that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg or is free?

    • kemist
      • flyonthewall

        why the nasty name calling? smh

        • kemist

          Gimp : GNU Image Manipulation Program

          (open source developers are rude people, just ask anyone who has worked with Linus Torvalds)

          • Scott H

            The f-bomb king of Open Source. Glad I’m not a kernel developer.

      • aegerprimo

        Thanx! I’ll give it a whirl!

        • The interface is eccentric and initially difficult to get your head around. However, it’s worth sticking with because:

          a) It works
          b) There are a lot of plug-ons
          c) It’s free

    • i use gimp, but it’s a steep learning curve and not as intuitive as photoshop, but when you start to follow the logic behind “layers” and the tools, it can do what ever photoshop can do!

      • kemist

        Plus experimental stuff if you play with the betas.

        They were supposed to have seamless cloning some time ago, don’t know if they did it finally.

        • it’s a rabbit hole of it’s own, and i am a total nOOb when it comes down to these guys

          • kemist

            Seamless cloning is a weird image calculation (uses one of them Poisson integration thingamabobs) that allow you to take an element from an image and “graft” it into another by modifying its colors so that it fits as if it was part of that image.

            I did some image manipulation stuff for a lab at my Uni, and one step was a very manual version of seamless cloning. I’ve been wanting it ever since. If they’ve not done it yet, I might fork them for a little pet project.

            • interesting somehow, i will try google it. What i so need and can’t find is a tool to morph 2 faces, like mom+dad = expected kid, should be trivial to find, but haven’t seen anything useful on linux

            • kemist

              Hey, I did that as homework once.

              Unfortunately, it’s Matlab code though

          • kemist
    • Serif Photoplus.

      • aegerprimo

        I try that one too. I downloaded and installed GIMP, but have not had time to fool around with it yet.

        • Serif are also developing a new set of programs called ‘Affinity’ to succeed the ‘Plus’ range for both PC & Mac: a free PC beta version of Affinity Photo is available here: https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/windows/

          • aegerprimo

            Thank you Mark!

    • chukicita

      I don’t have photoshop. I just use windows snipping tool and Publisher.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    The Founder surfed. Meh. The real fun was Beach Blanket Scientology Safari with COB and Tom Cruise.

    http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/1Valk.jpg

    • daisy

      You are such a goof , mien Fhurer. with all due respect.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Daisy, back in the day Scientology was really happening. It was all Kools and Cokes and F/N’s. And then Ron goofed the floof and wrote KSW.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsjcyKQpMKk

        • Harpoona Frittata

          The beach is still there and the beach bunnies are just as hot, but even though $cilon Central is only a few miles away, the chances of seeing a Sea Orgyist there is about as low as winning the lottery!

          Remember that great PETA bumper sticker, “Lab animals NEVER have a good day”? Well, Sea Orgy staff members never do either!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            That’s not true. Sea Org members have a good day everyday clearing the planet. Why just today the IJC declared 122 people SP’s for their crimes against COB and Scientology. What could be a better time than ridding the Church of SP’s?

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8fGbznIIAAFsJQ.png

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Ummm, let me think…burning them at the stake, blowing them up in volcanoes? Oh, I KNOW, convincing declared SPs who have family members still in the cherch who’ve disconnected from them that they stand a chance of having their declare rescinded if they just pay enough money! That way, DM can have his sadistic fun and the torturees can pay for it!

    • flyonthewall

      it’s like the movie Surf Nazis Must Die! but with a Scientology twist

  • flyonthewall

    Am finishing The Looming Tower and am starting to get burned out by Middle East and mod Islamic extremism. Am ready for a new subject and want to learn about the The Troubles but am a bit overwhelmed by all the books on it. If you’re knowledgeable in this field and can recommend some essential books I’d appreciate it.

    • Tony Ortega

      Forget the modern world, Fly. It’s hopeless. Embrace the ancient. Dive into Adrian Goldsworthy or Tom Holland.

      • flyonthewall

        The ancients are fun but as Hemingway said, ” The world is a fine place and worth the fighting for and I hate very much to leave it.”

        • gtsix

          And then Ernest said “Sip… sip… glug, glug. Burp.”

      • DoveAlexa

        So will we be seeing you at the next Nihilism potluck? Bring whatever you like, it doesn’t matter.
        ps.♥♥♥

    • Kim O’Brien
      • flyonthewall

        thnx Kim

        • Kim O’Brien

          try the first book on the list ….or Uris . Another great one …just for history sake ..is ” How the Irish Saved Civilization ” . Nothing to do with the Troubles …but a great book

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas – clam-style!
    (refresh)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNOl0O2gsCh/

    • chukicita

      Because nothing says Christmas like a lit-up empty building with a Scientology cross on the front.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        But for caroling, the acoustics of the empty hallways give a nice echo effect!

        • gtsix

          We* stand tall!!!!!!!

          *apple boxes extra

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Donate now to secure your Eternity and save on taxes too!”

  • Observer
  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • chukicita

      I have a feeling once his parents’ credit cards are maxed he’ll be put on a bus back to Mars or wherever.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      The Celebrity Center must feel fortunate indeed to have such a chart-topping pop god endorse $cn as his religion! This is going to boom $cn like never before, I just know it will!

      • maybe he will boom Joy Vila

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Exercising my OaTy powers of prescience, I see romance for the two together in the near future! Joyka Kubavilla, or something like that 😉

          What about Joy’s garishly dressed, but diminutive current paramour, you ask? He’d make a perfect ring-bearer troll, wouldn’t he?

          • Gus_Cox

            Well, he could photograph the wedding with his collection of Leicas!

  • Tony Ortega

    He’s pretty perfect for Scientology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8zvhNO9U1I

    • chukicita

      Sweet muscular Xenu.

      Has Princess Joy seen this yet?

      Is he borrowing a set from one of DM’s openings?

      • flyonthewall

        like a Sacha Baron Cohen character but in real life

        • chukicita

          Wow. There is absolutely nothing “real” about that one at all.

          • flyonthewall

            well, he is a real nightmare

            • BosonStark

              He said he wasn’t a singer-singer. He’s not a singer period. But the chest of fire could take him far in the Scientology entertainment world. He could become a new OT level. Move over Chilly Bee, Kakabu is here.

    • If you want to be a Singer-Singer, an Actor-Actor, or a Singer-Actor, it helps if you can sing and act.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      A natural clear?

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I have to admit that if this guy joined my church, attendance would probably skyrocket. We Methodists just don’t seem to be able to pull in his kind of “talent” 🙁

      • Juicer77

        Start serving wine. 😉 I kid, I kid.

      • Scott H

        Ditto for Episcopalians but we have a helluva doughnut buffet. Spread the word.

    • DoveAlexa
    • Observer

      Look out, Thorsten Overgaard! Kuba will steal Joy’s heart away!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Or…
        Look out, Joy Villa! Kuba will steal Thorsten Overgaard away!

    • Scott H

      John Wayne meets Elvira

    • Mymy88

      Bad, just really bad.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    D’oh! Apparently the Moldovan clams are postulating that child mannequins wearing zany wigs add an air of authenticity to LRon’s tech…
    (refresh)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BM62CriAFl1/

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Either that or this is their Moldovan fantasia on what BTs look like. Imagine having a bunch of those scary characters stuck all over you…you’d want some auditing PDQ if you thought it could rid you of them 😉

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        These creepy mannequins are more lifelike than those Ronbot clams who stand out on Hollywood Blvd trying to lure wogs into the Info Center.

    • daisy

      I thought Trump had only 4 kids oh and Tiffany. I see he has been hiding this beauty. I guess she is not pretty enough for Daddy to date.

  • Phil Jones
    • Observer

      Oh, that’s priceless!

      • it’s really really scary… i will dream about it

  • nottrue

    Boy needs new shoes…Mom is loaded.. .The Reggers dream.. He’s not a singer, not a dancer, he’s a God with lots of money.. .. . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae9b0e8ed5b309ee01be9fde938a1b8e256778e685db399383072546c83e43b1.jpg

    • Phil Jones

      If she’s buying him those shoes, they totally don’t go with his outfit.

      • Scott H

        Remember: basic black and pearls, you can’t go wrong.

    • chukicita

      Mama. You need to throw that chancleta at ya boi’s head and tell him to get a damn job and stop throwing all your money at cults.

  • Phil Jones
    • as the sociopath he was i was wondering if he invented couch surfing too!

    • Unex Skcus

      I’m not sure if that’s a DC8?

  • Observer
    • Observer

      For those who haven’t seen it, this is the pic I used for the Silver Surfer. He doesn’t look too awful, until you take into account the kinds of things he was already doing to people.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf42dbe08ea1cea356fdb2f9f76e1109046dc33fb72af8bd1dfba8e45e25b584.jpg

      • He looks like a Thunderbirds puppet.

        • he actually does 🙂

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Same lips too! :O

          • daisy

            Same dead eyes.

            • it must be him

            • It was the hands, actually – the characters always held their arms out in front of them because that’s the only way the strings would reach.

            • daisy

              Yes i remember them and the jerky movements. He really does look like early Ron.except much more attractive.

            • lol

          • Man, I happened to see that show recently.
            Weird as hell.

          • chukicita

            Same lips, too. I have never seen this before.

        • LongtimeLurker

          OMG! He soooo does!

      • MarcabExpat

        He was really proud of his hair in this pic, you can tell.

        • daisy

          He at no time ever in his whole life should be proud of his appearance, and certainly hygiene issues didn*t help him.. He is passable on his best day. Personality lowered his grade considerably . I am channeling Trump.

    • He was Galaaxica’s Herald?

      • Observer

        According to Scientology lore, he made the Herald look like a poindexter!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      LRH didn’t realize that the surfboard’s leash was supposed to loop around his ankle and not his neck. This tragic mistake and the resulting loss of oxygen to his brain led directly to the masterpiece Dianetics.

      • Scott H

        I knew it had to be something similar to brain death

    • I see you came across Jimbo Pellegrine as well, Obs! 😉

      • Observer

        How could I not? The dude can surf!

        • He is pretty amazing, especially since he lost an arm in a road accident.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Joe Satriani wants royalties from this Danny Sherman claim.

      Joe was first to surf with aliens, and below, Joe flying in a blue dream.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoERl34Ld00

    • beauty for ashes

      Did you pee your pants making the bottom corner? Cause i’m about to! or roll over and die from high pitched giggling! OWWW!
      That face!!!!!!and the tiny hands, and the moobs are so funny! Lron looks seriously into his rum with pinks and greys!

    • jazzlover
      • you just broke my stereo for the next 3 weeks! What is that?

      • Scott H

        Jazz……you vixen you. Knowing my love of Frippertronics in all it’s glory I am now destined to spend the rest of the evening with a glass of bourbon* and a pair of headphones.

        *edit: a very large glass of bourbon

        • jazzlover

          Crimson is my fave band. Fripp got me over the hump into jazz. Blame him. LOL

          • Scott H

            Couldn’t come at a better time, inlaws are – God bless ’em, stellar folk – making me itch.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Scare ’em away with this – headphones be damned:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p-lIgt4E2U

            • Scott H

              Would love to but we’re having the doghouse redecorated and I hate sleeping in the barn.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. How dare your wife cut you off at the crims in favor of her parents! 😉

    • Just remember what nearly happened to Hansel and Gretel when they went into a place built out of gingerbread, Gemma…

      • lol i knew there was something i had forgot in all this sweetness

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I read that tweet from our fave twit as “Scummy,” instead of “Scrummy” for a second there.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Oh my God, this is hysterical!

    • noseinabk

      Did someone attempt to give androgynous man extra bits? COB would not approve Gemma. Good thing you live in lala land and are far out of reach of sanity and celebrity to be called to flag.

      • someone should flush her out, she must be stuck in there somewhere!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Gemma is … mental…

  • Jimmy3

    First Ham from The Sandlot and now Kuba Ka??? They’re taking all my childhood heroes :/

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      2016 is a heartless a**hole.

      • beauty for ashes

        it suuuuuure is. i’d like to take thor’s hammer to it.

  • Jenny Griffith

    Hey, I don’t know if this is something new or if it is from last year, but tomorrow (7:00am PT), on the id channel, there is a one hour segment ” After Scientology: Mark Rathbun’s Escape”. I had not heard of this one.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      The “id” channel, which one is that?

      • flyonthewall

        Super Ego Channel’s main competitor

      • Jenny Griffith

        285 on the directv guide.

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s Investigation Discovery that has crime and mysteries. I found it at 7:00 am Saturday.

    • FredEX2

      Thanks for the tip Jenny. I just looked it up and read the info. It’s a ‘special’ program made this year but was shown before, and the only showing is Saturday morning at 7am it seems. I’ll be up by then, but going to record it to make sure I don’t miss it. Looks interesting. Could be it was kept under raps so the cable channel wouldn’t have to deal with letters from Mr Soter, Scientology’s lawyer….trying to get them not to show it.

      • Missionary Kid

        I found it at 7:00 am on Saturday.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s Investigation Discovery channel that has crime stories. I found it listed at 7:00 am, Pacific time.

      It may be listed as 10 am Eastern time.

    • Robert Eckert

      That’s the third Scientology story ID (a true-crime-story channel: I guess Scientology counts as a True Crime) has done, the first on Nancy Many (Guardian’s Office agent who tracked Paulette Cooper at one point, eventually RPF’d to the point of mental breakdown) and the second on Ellie Perkins (tragic story about refusing to treat a mentally ill boy until he snapped murderously).

      • Missionary Kid

        They have a thread called Dangerous Persuasions that they also feature.

    • Robert Eckert

      We live-blogged it when it first ran, over a year ago but I can’t find it.

      • beauty for ashes

        I read, “as we ran over it a year ago” 🙂

    • Missionary Kid

      For those of you that have cable, you can find out where Investigation Discovery is found by going to http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/channel-finder/

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Forgive my O/T post but I saw this and wanted to share because The Bunker embodies these things and I am tremendously grateful to know that this community is here. ❤️
    https://twitter.com/kriszensufi/status/786001378707668992

    • chukicita

      LOVE this.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I really do too. I haven’t had time to look and see if it’s for sale somewhere. I plan to though.

    • iampissed

      Yes

    • jazzlover

      There’s gotta be a song in there somewhere 😉

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n3OepDn5GU

    • So simple and yet so perfect.

    • FredEX2

      Yes. ❤️

  • flyonthewall

    Death Race 2000 + Supermarket Sweep = Black Friday

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’ve found everything I was looking for, at the same sale prices, online….where I will be later, in my pajamas, laptop & cocktail in hand, doing all my shopping from the comfort of my pillow mountain (and most likely a doggy under the blanket). I will also be enjoying all the free shipping offers that online companies are giving.

      In short: Why do it the hard why? 🙂

      • flyonthewall

        you will need to be battle hardened for the End Times and/or Zombie Apocalypse?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          My family was broke when I was growing up. I can go full “fried-Spam & spliced cable”‘ if need be. 😀

          • flyonthewall

            very good

          • beauty for ashes

            Can you eat canned beets? That’s what i want to know!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Hell yes! Loved them when I was a kid. 😀

            • beauty for ashes

              Canned beets were what was always left on the table even though we were still hungry. We all disliked them immensely.
              I love beets now, I bake them though!

        • FredEX2

          Bring em on. I’m already battle hardened, sufficiently jaded and ready for it. 😄

      • beauty for ashes

        Pillow mountain and doggy under the blanket. Soon they will have to offer that too! Sounds heavenly!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    It was the summer of 1931 when twenty year old L. Ron Hubbard strapped on his backpack and canteen and hopped a freight train from Idaho to San Diego. There in San Diego Ron would meet the tramp steamer that would take him to China.

    Two days into his adventure, Ron was awakened from a dead sleep in the middle of the night in the boxcar in which he was riding. A group of Mexican bandits seized and bound Ron hand and foot. Whereupon, they proceeded to violate him in the same manner in which Arabian bandits had violated Lawrence of Arabia. And like Lawrence of Arabia, Ron would later admit to having experienced a sense of “warm deliciousness.”

    After the bandits had spent themselves on Ron, they threw him from the moving boxcar. As he tumbled headlong into the night, he was knocked out. When he awakened to the morning light, Ron was alone in an orange grove in what was then rural Anaheim, California.

    Alone under the blazing summer sun, Ron got the idea to squeeze juice from oranges into his canteen. And so it was that L. Ron Hubbard invented orange juice.

    • jazzlover

      I can’t say or do much more than laugh with the same utter glee that the Mexican bandits must’ve laughed with 🙂

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        After drinking his orange juice, Ron felt matted blood on the side of his head. Inspecting the wounds with his small hand mirror, the explorer saw that he had been injured when he had been so unceremoniously thrown from the train. Worse, the wounds were infected and becoming gangrenous. If the infection worsened, Ron’s head would surely need to be amputated.

        Looking in his backpack at his meager rations, Ron took a few scraps of moldy bread and mixed it with orange juice to form a poultice which he spread on his infected wounds.

        Within one day Ron’s wounds had healed and the infection was gone. Ron had invented penicillin and the entire field of antibiotics — the miracle drugs that would save hundreds of millions of lives in the decades and centuries ahead.

        • daisy

          Of course that is for the wogs. Scientologists do not need medication.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Quite true. Ron also invented the telephone to help wogs. Scientologists do not need phones as they have telepathy.

            • FredEX2

              He created that too.

        • jazzlover

          No doubt that if he’d been a diabetic, he would’ve discovered insulin too.

        • FredEX2

          After running out of orange juice…and moldy bread…adventurer Ron was famished and his athletically honed body needed nourishment, so he sat in the secret garden of Eden and pondered his next meal…when along came a interesting bug that looked like a slug with a shell…and being prepared for everything…as he always was…Ron whipped out the Coleman stove and stick of butter from his backpack and cooked the little sucker and 10 of his friends…added a clove of garlic…and voila! The famous delicacy… Escargot… was created and Ron became the first Master Chef in the world ! …

    • And then, on the tramp steamer he found some boards and beanbags, and to relieve the boredom of the long sea voyage, he invented the game of cornhole.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Some fifteen years later, a much-decorated and miraculously self-healed World War II hero, L. Ron Hubbard, found himself once again in Southern California, contemplating his future, while fondly recalling that place of orange goodness from so long ago.

      Get the real story here http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/23/before-leah-remini-burns-it-to-the-ground-heres-scientologys-own-side-of-the-story/#more-35536 Parts 1-4 are Xenu’s solemn truth!

  • jayla197145

    Hi there! I’ve been reading Tony’s blog and reading the comments for a year or so and this community is so loving, and inclusive…I just wanted to say hello to all of you lovelies…I’m a long time lurker…I am sending lots of love and best wishes to you all. XO

    • jazzlover

      Welcome! You have just entered the deepest rabbit hole on Earth 🙂

      • jayla197145

        Thank you Sweetie! 🙂 There is so much information here…XO

        • jazzlover

          You’re welcome. Thankfully, there is so much info everywhere. Ask and ye shall receive your assignments. Be careful though – we’re tough graders 😉

          • jayla197145

            Uh, Oh, jazzlover, please don’t grade me, I’m not stupid I don’t think, but I am definiitey not the smartest bee in the hive…XOXO

            • jayla197145

              jazzlover, I have to tell you I am really loaded right now…on vodka..

            • daisy

              Oh and the bathroom is on the right.

            • jazzlover

              Believe it or not, that may help 😉

            • jayla197145

              I am so sorry you guys, I am very bad with the computer, I Thought I answered

            • jayla197145

              Sweetie, can you tell me, are you an ex-scientologist, or are you a never-in, like me, or someone who wants justice…

            • jazzlover

              Never-in seeking justice AND pissed off that this cult is using my money to use and abuse people while claiming to be “all in” on human rights. My wish is that Miscavige and Jeffs end up sharing a cell so they can have the ultimate match to the death.

            • jazzlover

              Just teasing 🙂 Plenty to keep you busy at your own leisure. Books, youtube videos and tons of info buried deep inside this very site. Of course, if it’s available to you, you could watch “Going Clear” just for kicks.

    • daisy

      Welcome lovely back. If you have been lurking you know where the bar, couch, and kitchen are. Make yourself at home and comment whenever you feel like it.

    • noseinabk

      Welcome jay. I’m sorry that some of our regulars must be sleeping so it is left to me to subject you to the ring of fire.
      … = refresh
      http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ygnp53ZK1qejjp6o4_250.gif

      WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?
      How did you find yourself interested in the topic and find the bunker?

      Edited: are, our.

    • Fred G. Haseney

      Hi, jayla197145, JennyAtLAX and I welcome you to our little group. I’m an ex-scientologist (1977-2014) who lurked here in August 2014, trying to figure how to communicate with the outside world, the world outside of the scientology bubble I lived in for 37-years. I know it takes considerable balls to start that very first conversation at the Bunker after all the lurking. Welcome to our world.

      • jayla197145

        Thank you so much!! I really appreciate the warm welcome! 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Well I just got back to my computer which was inaccessible when my study was being used as a guest room over Thanksgiving… So – welcome jayla!!

      • jayla197145

        Aw…thank you so much Hon! I look forward to chatting more with this most excellent group! XO

      • jayla197145

        Hi There Free Minds!! Thank you so much for the warm welcome! I could have sworn I replied earlier, but the comment is no longer here, so I’m posting it again. I’ve heard you guys say that Disqus is weird sometimes…but anyway thank you again! XO

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Now I see both your replies and also the rest of the wonderful welcomes you received! Hold on a minute while I set my wine glass down and make space on the couch, and what shall I get you to imbibe? We have a full bar, although it may have been somewhat depleted by some of the more rowdy bunkerites…

          • jayla197145

            It is so weird, I can only see one of my replies, and before I restarted my computer I didn’t see either one. What doesn’t help matters is that I’m not very good with computers at all. The only thing that saves me at my job is that I have a great memory so I can do what I’ve been shown. Anywayyyyy….enough about that!!

            Ooooh!! I love the way you think!! Can I please have a vodka and cranberry? Thank you!! XO

            • jayla197145

              And P.S. I love to hear about the bunkerites getting rowdy!! 🙂

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Okay coming right up!

            • jayla197145

              …….Thank you so much, this is perfect! Just the right amount of vodka (lots…lol) *Cheers*! XO

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident, it’s not like anyone else, it’s, you drive past, you know you have to do something about it. You know you are the only one who can really help.” ~ Tom Cruise, you are sooooo wrong…
    (refresh)
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    • Chee Chalker

      The sheer arrogance and ignorance of that statement by Tom Cruise is astounding.
      Of course he prefaced (or followed) that gem with his ‘We are the authorities’ speech.

      The black 🐢neck video sent me down the rabbit hole of Scientology.
      It fascinated me that Tom Cruise was so naive! Did it ever occur to him to seek outside proof of all these claims before spouting off?

      TC will be an interesting case study when the entire scam falls apart. Because, for Tom Cruise, this only lasts as long as there exist lesser beings who will jump when Tom and his tiny friend say jump.

      I hope COB and Tom are learning foreign languages, like Russian and Taiwanese, because when the majority of the current staff wakes up, Tom and COB are going to need someone new to push around.

  • beauty for ashes

    I have to share this. A lot of the mothers can imagine the warmth and satisfaction of seeing their feuding children finally sleeping side by side.
    Well for the first time my parents are both dozed off in front of the tv in their bed together. My father started sleeping on the couch, a while after Mom’s dx. I have yelled at him, plied him with reason. And then finally my mom got so mad she felt rejected and angry. Then he was not allowed back!
    I hope this is a sign of peace between them. And not fighting so much, taking care of each other . <3 <3 <3.

    • LongtimeLurker
      • beauty for ashes

        Awww! they’re on a King, so they have their space! LOOKIT THOSE PUPPEH PAWS! Sorry this is soooooooo cute! That is love.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Ikr?

    • daisy

      Oh my sweet Beauty I am heart sick for you. The unfortunate thing about family is , well , they are people Sickness often brings out the worst in us. Falling asleep together in front of the TV is one of those transcendent moments. My hope for you is more of those, and a peaceful mind.(((( hugs ))) and sleep for yourself. The bunker is great for showing us how normal we are , even in our own craziness.

      • beauty for ashes

        I slept 12 hours today! it was good. i had a lot of interesting dreams that are too weird to recount. But they heavily featured a really good friend. And of course, lots of randomness.
        My father was definitely on his worst behavior. until two weeks before the stroke, he had almost what felt like a come to Jesus moment and was on his best behavior. I’m sure neurologically it is all involved, just like chemo is involved in my Mom’s super bitchiness too. Dad is seeing a Neuro surgeon on Monday and we will find out what our options are for Dad, and my neighbor who is helping out gave my Mom an ultimatum, that she must go, and she must go in the Dr’s room with him and she can’t rely on him to do it for her. My poor Mom seriously never gets a break!
        Like My sister’s boss said to her, when it rains, it tsunamis!

        • daisy

          You are your mothers break. They are so lucky to have you.

          • beauty for ashes

            No you are!

            • daisy

              My computer has switched nationalities again so I will type heart emojis

            • beauty for ashes

              I still <3 you. just in case you thought I'd never come back.
              I'm to busy disassociating right now.

            • daisy

              That is fine , take all the time you need . Still holding you in my prayers . I hope you are doing ok. Be good to yourself.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • beauty for ashes

      Eff You RIZZA ISLAM!!!!!!! GET YOUR CRAZY OUT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM! AAAAAGH!!!!

    • Someone had too much Cal Mag.

    • daisy

      I do not know how conspiracy nuts function, it sounds exhausting making all those illogical leaps. I need sleep just reading their theories.

    • noseinabk

      How does this idiot come to these conclusions without drugs?
      Both of my paternal grandparents were german and they never let me in on this secret info? Did the irish side of my family plot to hide this info from me?
      Who the f cares about about what nationality you are more than bigots? Bigots who believe in conspiracy theories.

    • pluvo

      He is preaching the Scio conspiracy. He just doesn’t get that the 88-HH-types (= white supremacists) got a power boost through Trump and are in fact constituting his government. What an idiot!

    • jazzlover

      Yikes!

      On yet another note of idiocy, did you happen the catch the vid of white privilege that occurred the other day on a flight from Hot Lanta to Allentown?

      Scroll down a little more than halfway:

      https://twitter.com/ShaunKing

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I’d rather watch the new OK Go music video 🙂

        https://youtu.be/QvW61K2s0tA

        • jazzlover

          Agreed. Music always better 🙂

    • kemist

      Someone hasn’t been taking their meds.

      Rizza dear, those white supremacists ? They sort of don’t like people like you. And they elected Trump.

      • pluvo

        He is taking Kool-Aid what is clouding his mind. You can’t think straight with that stuff.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          He is not just drinking the Kool-Aid.He is snorting it.

    • noseinabk

      Did Rizza get his information on international bankers from NOI or LRH? I’m starting to see why these two groups fit so well together.

      • beauty for ashes

        a vision, most definitely a vision.

      • One of Trump’s ads spouted the “international banker” theme.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Someone is drunk and or supremely stupid. He thinks White Supremacists are on HIS side?
      Blacks/Non Whites were killed also during the holocaust.
      Someone might want to mention that little factoid to him.

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    O/T: out of all the people in the world, I respect my sisters opinion above all, but she did not like my candied yams…

    that bitch.

    • jazzlover

      LOL

    • daisy

      Who needs that bitch. She cannot tell a candied yam from a turnip, Drop her and never speak to her again.

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        Well, she can tell the difference between fresh green beans and canned green beans, too. She’s my little Philip Andrew ( the name mom would have given her if she was a boy) so I’ll keep her around. She hates it when I remind her – I love it 😈

        • daisy

          I am the little sister in our family, My sister is 9 years older then me. She was and still is more of a parent than a sister. She is fond of telling me they should have stopped after her.

        • dungeon master

          My sister says she figures they were thinking their second child would be a boy, so they gave all the boob genes to me. Poor (choke) dear! Dad used to call her chest 2 raisins on a cutting board.

    • kemist

      She’s just PTS to yams.

      • Observer

        I know I am. *shudder*

    • jazzlover

      Shoulda given her the frozen margaritas first. Everything tastes better after a few of those 😉

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        Ikr?

    • dungeon master

      My next sister, whom I love dearly, is a fruitcake with nuts. She had to drag out the story where I poured a cup of milk over her as a teenage, because she was being a twit, only she embellished it so it was a gallon of milk. This is how we show love in our family – by pushing each others’ buttons. The gallons of dirty dishwater I poured over her out of pure frustration get no mention, just the milk. We had to do dishes together growing up. I washed and she dried. And she would sing, slurring her notes and generally driving me mad. I would beg her ‘Becky, please stop stop singing’ and she’d sing louder and worse. Then I’d dump a cup of dishwater over her, and she’d drench the drying towel and snap it at me. Eventually we’d have to clean the whole kitchen because it had water all over the place. I’d probably make candied yams every year for the rest of your lives, just to spite her.. But then I have a long memory and there are many opportunities for revenge.

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        …many opportunities, lol.

        • jazzlover

          I can hear your brain working from here 😉

      • jazzlover

        I hear ya. This, unfortunately, can be a sign of how we were raised – that inability to let things go, or as I like to call it – “The Suffer No Fools Syndrome” 🙂

        • dungeon master

          My youngest sister bought our kids toys that have small pieces, made noise, needed batteries or stained carpeting. Becky still is the master of the revenge present. She has an uncanny knack for buying the most annoying presents for the niece and nephew. Mary just rolls with it. We are bound by our shared history and great love for one another. But there are more eye rolls at one of our family dinners, than at a reading of LRH’s history!

          • jazzlover

            Love trumps all, but in my family, no pound of flesh will go un-exacted 🙂 It’s almost a learned way of being. It is also proof positive that undue influence isn’t just for destructive cults anymore.

          • JJ

            I have given new parents rhythm bands and stickers and craft stuff, cause I am going to hell and it is too late already…

      • beauty for ashes

        Can you start a blog with stories? LOL!!!!! I’m serious. I’ll be your first subscriber.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      My ice cream volcanoes were a big hit!
      Apart from a few implant restimulations, everyone loved them 🙂
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      • beauty for ashes

        Do they erupt??????

      • Juicer77

        Nothin’ like a holiday when you dust off the 60’s and 70’s cookbooks!! XD

    • beauty for ashes
    • TheMirrorThetan

      LOL. I thought Xmas was the only official day of the year where you bring up long forgotten grudges and get revenge against friends and family.

    • LongtimeLurker

      What a colossal skank.

      • LongtimeLurker

        This was an attempted joke, btw.

  • I just want to thank Chuck Beatty for bringing up Joe Satriani.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Fire sale!
    Apparently nobody told him that you should “be committed” if you’d want to walk around in a Grant Cardone University t-shirt! HA!

    This got to be the worst t-shirt idea since the “I just stepped in dog sh#t” t-shirt line went bust in 1986!
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    • daisy

      Finally a scientologist admitting he needs to be committed. ( and not those 72 hr. hold crap )

    • jazzlover

      I’m laying odds that this self-important, clever idiot saw using the word “committed” as yet another swipe against psychiatry. Talk about an epic backfire 🙂

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I don’t think he’s that smart. He also is selling a “BOBA” hat. Around these parts, boba is known to be Spanish for imbecile/crazy. He really is an idiot. SMH
        (refresh)

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fea885a496e5aa75ce985dded0377d90f2bec2c87b13ec13475f7b7d299c57dd.png

        • Boba Flat, the bounty hunter?

        • jazzlover

          “Buy Our Bullshit, Asshole”

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            He claims it is “Be Obsessed or Be Average” (BOOBA?) but yeah, you are closer to the truth.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. “BOOBALA” – “Be Obsessed or Be Average Like ASHO”

            • kemist

              I see a theme here. Obsessed, committed…

              I’ll take “average” and mentally healthy, thank you very much. WTF would I drive myself insane for some stupid boob’s idea of “success”.

        • JJ

          Fett?

        • Juicer77

          What a cardouche.

    • daisy

      Lets hope it goes the way of Trump U.

  • Based on Tony’s comment that he heard there was some progress on the Detroit Ideal Org, I went down to look.
    There is something new!
    A Blight Violation Notice.
    Reads: “Failure to remove illegal/obsolete signage”
    Not much, but maybe its a start.
    I didn’t think to look at the roof to see if the Raymond James sign is still there, but according to Google satellite view it is.
    That would cost a bit to remove.
    Interesting, because a while ago there were news reports about Scientology requesting a sign permit for the building.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/57a842ffdaddb339af35914bc3d3f0eb6393ba21a8c74e0da2e2c9ca9bd45550.jpg
    A window had the curtains open, so I got a peek through the filthy glass.
    There appears to be a schematic, and some renderings. The one on the right appears to be the future Hubbard office.
    The furniture was covered in dust. No signs of action.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b61a3d8590c275304414b7d25daf80b785deee8a74a874fc5c7e63a62958be9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cbd5952254a5e6b58b7361ec2ebb6e7420254a0758aaae338ed97e3114a7d01b.jpg

    • Watch Dave making it ideal just to piss you off.

      • Yeah, Dave. Do it.

      • JJ

        Ideal urination?

      • Juicer77

        It’s fun to make him spend money! Heh heh Now that’s an OatTee Power!!

    • And the notice is dated 10/17/16, and no one has come by to get it.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        If there are copies of Dianetics laying around, wouldn’t they legally be allowed to check off “Solid Waste” on that blight violation notice, too? Hehe

        • Juicer77

          xD

    • JJ

      I see evidence of floor cleaning tech…

      • Bucket, no mop.

        • JJ

          Tongue dude! RPF style.

  • JJ
    • jazzlover

      It’s PR. Lie through your teeth, and hope people buy your con. Almost as old as prostitution itself 😉

  • Scientology claims the San Diego org was founded in 1954. Perhaps, but not under the current company. (Probably as a branch of the Church of Scientology of California.)

    Entity Name:CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF SAN DIEGO
    Entity Number:C1918719
    Date Filed:12/20/1994

  • Observer

    Completely OT: this is what it’s like to walk through a room in which The Velociraptor is present. Most of the time she sails harmlessly by, but occasionally she lands one.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EUamWmkjzhs

    Her previous owners didn’t do much in the way of training. She is also the most energetic dachshund I have ever encountered. She’s not a yapper though.

    • daisy

      The other day Fat beagle was whining to come with to do chores. It never goes well , but maybe this time it will. I was coming from the library to see a small crowd gathering around my car. I had left a very small window open and she had lodged herself in it. It was accompanied by the most blood curdling howls I have ever heard, I thought about walking home and leaving the scene but realized I needed to endure the shame. I just needed to get the hell out of there before our one intrepid reporter came to film the crime scene. I was able to extricate her from her jailor window. She used her doe eyed limpid , teary eyes to make sure I understood how bad it was to leave her alone for 10 min. She is being extra cold and only allowing me to pet her for short periods only. She is one passive – aggressive bitch. I think I would enjoy a flying monkey dog.. And right on cue she is here beside me being cute, which she will no doubt withdrawl once I pet her for 3 min. Sorry for the long story. I miss Baby*s stories

      • ReallyMGM

        Ok…this is a pic of my baby beagle after her bath the day my daughter found her abandoned on the road. What sort of monster would dump THIS!
        RIP Daphne. You were so special. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03f24d8217be3d079b1e375a8321ccdb29665f7d35513a4628da9dab4fc969cb.jpg

        • Juicer77

          Awwww…. I’m sure she had the best home with you.

          • ReallyMGM

            My daughter, who had raised in dog show home, happened to be taking a shortcut that day on the way home from college. Sudden deluge of a rain, flooded ditches on sides of road. What are odds that the puppy was was dumped before her guardian angel? She ran out in front of my daughter, who slammed on the brakes and got her out of the flooded ditch. She looked for any home she could have come from….none. Even as covered in ticks and fleas as she was, my daughter wrapped her in her good clothing and brought her home. She went straight to the vet with her, then we put her in the puppy pen with my show puppies. Guess who got to stay along with our pick of the litter? I’d say Daphne was definitely the most lucky beagle in the world. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/188c72970bab86b9f2f57894d3b50bcce5ae71017e37f2bb30e000043c50f3e5.jpg

            • Juicer77

              Amazing story. That face!!!!!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • daisy

      I always get a chuckle at the *all are welcome

      • JJ

        Well everything sounds nice except the Scientology part….

    • Newiga

      Ready for another photo bomb? 😉

    • Draco

      Heh heh… I dare you…and Pete ;P

      • ReallyMGM

        I would love to go to a party with Andrea and Pete!

        • Juicer77

          It rocks.

          • ReallyMGM

            I need to correct that statement to include YOU and the rest of the U.K. Bunker crew! My bucket list still has my month-long trip to Ireland, Scotland and England on it.

            • Juicer77

              Oh, no, really. I’m just another person in the background!

  • daisy

    I have a documentary on about the Watergate scandals. Oh for the good old days of kinder , gentler politics.

    • JJ

      This year was one for the books, it is our nightmare, but one day it will be somebody else’s history….

      • daisy

        When Trump was elected I said that night * this is the day future time travellers will come back and try to prevent *

        • JJ

          Before he was elected, I told everyone he was not going to BE elected and if he was NSA and MOSSAD would take him out before the first three weeks in office… Way things are going they won’t have to, I don’t think he will be there much. Looks like we have a cartel of “President” Pence and Donald’s kids running the show.

          Hey, if there was ever a time when you wanted that conspiracy to be true. You know, the one about an all powerful, global, secret society running the world, this is it! Even if they are a badly mannered, alien lizard people who eat live hamsters and wear the ugliest clothes from 1974…

          • Peter

            And I think Trump is going to provide a lot of unexpected and positive results. That, of course, won’t satisfy those who would have preferred a known criminal in the office. Sheesh!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      BTW – CNN has been advertising that they are going to air the doc “Enlighten Us: The Rise And Fall Of James Arthur Ray”, about that sweat lodge kook, next Thursday.

      • daisy

        Oh thank you for the info. I have quit watching CNN but I like their special programming. The day to day coverage of Trump just pisses me off. I am leaving it up to the bunker to let me know when Trump or his pal plan a Canadian takeover or a nuclear war heads up

      • Draco

        From WikiP:
        “According to Grant Cardone, in 2000 Ray consulted him for methods to increase sales at business seminars, and was warned to teach only sound business practices. After this time, Ray began incorporating sleep deprivation, fasting, fire and glass walking, and his invented versions of sweat lodge ceremonies.”
        So not surprised…

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Ha, Cardone wouldn’t know sound business practices if he saw them!

      • Juicer77

        Thanks, will make a note to watch. What a horrendous creep.

    • ReallyMGM

      Ah…the summer of the Watergate trials. GREAT MEMORIES for me! I tried out for a summer musical since there was nothing on tv to watch except it. My husband took a summer school theater elective class and was recruited for the play. We met and the rest is history. The night the play opened Nixon resigned.

  • Tony Ortega

    Castro died.

    • daisy

      I hope it wasn*t foul play

      • Tony Ortega

        He was 90. And he said like yesterday that he was dying.

        • daisy

          Sorry forgot my sarcasm brackets

        • daisy

          Last year my mom was in a ward hospital with 3 old gals in various stages of age related illness. I got a laugh when one of her mates not a hint of sarcasm pointing at a woman who was really sick whispered that she was ONLY 86.

        • Juicer77

          I expected it a couple years ago when Raul started wielding power.

    • Observer

      Castro and Florence Henderson on the same day…go home, 2016. You’re drunk and nobody likes you.

      ETA: not that I’m a Castro fan, but if someone had asked me what two famous people I thought would die consecutively, those two would not have been it.

    • Mockingbird

      When will America’s dictator elect die ?

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        • Peter

          Pretty sick comments, Mock/Dice. I’m rather surprised at you both.

  • daisy

    Fidel Castro has died I scooped you !! I am going to tell everybody I know. I think I wIll start a blog. Oh yeah too much work

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      JFK Jr would have turned 56 today, Castro died on his birthday.

      • Robert Ramsay

        Batista would be 115 today ! 🙂

        • hubbard would have been 75.000.000.234,5 years today

          • Robert Ramsay

            ! funeee 🙂

    • coonellie

      There is nothing good to say about Castro. Nada.

    • kemist

      I’ve been to Cuba in 2009. It’s a very nice place, super safe. You can go pretty much everywhere without fear for your life, as opposed to Dominican Republic. People are poor, but not starving. Most of them are very well educated. Artists are very valued, whether they are painters, dancers or singers. They’ve got a superb healthcare system. You don’t see any adult with glasses, they all get correction surgery when their vision stabilizes.

      Complaints of people concern mainly two things : the stuff they can’t get because of the embargo, and the fact that they have to apply to the government to get an appartement or a car (the only cars you can personally own in Cuba are those sold before the revolution, that is 1958 and older). They voice these complaints very freely. The people I’ve talked to say that some things are worse since the revolution, but generally poor people are better off.

      One funny thing : when you enter Cuba, they stamp your tourist visa on a separate card so as not to leave any trace of you entering the country in your passport.

  • JJ

    Told ya 16, it is The Year… Crazy.

  • John Prince

    ..just finished scio’s “side of the story” as told by LR, the H [Leah Remini, the Hero] . My comment : Excuse me captain pissy-pants missmanage, that’s not the story OF l.ron hubbard. .that’s the story BY l.ron hubbard!
    the story OF l.ron hubbard reads quite a bit different (and far less dramatic)still, it’s amusing to hear ALL of elron’s biggest Whoppers in one pile of shit!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Here is a photo of a young Fidel Castro from his 1955 Florida visit…

    “They first visited the Vicente Martinez Ybor Cigar Factory on the corner of 14th Street and Ninth Avenue that in the late 1800s was the site of one of Jose Marti’s famous speeches rallying Tampa Cubans to his cause. Today, that building houses the Church of Scientology.” http://www.tbo.com/news/cuba/fidel-castro-delivered-pivotal-speech-in-ybor-city-60-years-ago-20151126/
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cc6e99dd7118f995c1902ab202a054a9a118aab96188848b9cb258e7f6e0039.png

  • you just have to love the logic from flat earthers
    https://twitter.com/jeranism/status/801623278053793793

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    CO$’s “hot potato” story about LRH & Fidel Castro…
    https://www.facebook.com/Seaktrueme/videos/vb.1312746097/10207592233146568/?type=2&theater

  • Some scio is collecting LRH lies here: https://openquotes.github.io/authors/l-ron-hubbard-quotes/
    and btw… he is also found on eBay, i thought they disposed him in the ocean!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d6422316e6a63c7f111904f1358c809d98cf3a351ea89af8e77fea12e1ae5d2.png

  • 9001

    Castro dead but the struggle goes on. Viva Fidel!
    https://haileerustad.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/img_2276.jpg

  • richelieu jr

    Lafayette Ron Hubbard: Goofyfoot

  • Jgg2012

    Didn’t he invent surfing in a previous life? Wasn’t he also one of the Sumerians who invented the wheel 5,000 years ago? And the inventor of music 10,000 years ago?