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Scientology in Ireland is nearly dead: Here’s how Tom Cruise & the gang plan to bring it back

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Rod Keller keeps an eye on Scientology social media for us, and on Sundays he dives into the latest happenings with the organization’s many front groups. This time, he’s taking us to Ireland, where a new strategy is unfolding. Take it away, Rod…

The Church of Scientology is preparing to open a National Affairs Office at 4 Merrion Square in Dublin, Ireland. The opening is currently scheduled for October 15.

 
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The green door in the photo above has been painted white during renovations. Photographer Killian Raynor has noticed “Masses of furniture have been moved into it for the past few months,” and posted the photos below to the blog Broadstreet.com.

 
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Merrion Square is bounded on three sides by Georgian red brick residences, and on the fourth by Leinster House, the seat of the Irish Parliament. All of the houses on the square are handsome and No. 4 is no exception, but it’s not really the house Scientology wanted.

The house below with the black door is No. 69 Merrion Square, and Scientology’s first choice. In 1956, L. Ron Hubbard established offices there, promoting it as the H.A.S.U.K. Atomic Energy Healing Division Emergency Station. It was intended to provide a base for Scientology should the U.K. – and the main Scientology location at 37 Fitzroy Street in London – come under nuclear attack.

 
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The idea of protecting Scientology during a nuclear war would later lead to the construction of underground vaults at locations in California and New Mexico, where Hubbard’s writings are preserved on steel plates, sealed in titanium containers that are filled with inert gas. In 1956 there was only the above-ground No. 69 Merrion Square, a fall-back position in case of nuclear war rather than a bunker.

 
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The building is revered by Scientologists as the site where Hubbard developed the Personal Efficiency course. From Bare-Faced Messiah, by Russell Miller…

At the end of March 1956, Ray Kemp accompanied Hubbard on a trip to Dublin. “He wanted to see if there was something he could do for Ireland,” Kemp explained. “He felt that Ireland’s troubles were based on the fact that it was a bit like a Third World nation and had never been able to apply the skills of its people. We were there for two or three days and he spent the whole time talking to people. We’d be walking down the street and all of a sudden he wasn’t there. I’d look back and see him deep in conversation with someone, asking them if they had a job, what their skills were, things like that. Believe it or not, he’d actually run a little process on them there and then and they’d feel better and he’d walk away. His idea was to open a Personal Efficiency Foundation in Dublin to teach people how to apply whatever skills they had got, but I don’t think anything ever came of it.”

The Personal Efficiency Course is still delivered in Scientology orgs and missions as an introductory course, covering the ARC Triangle, the eight Dynamics, and other core Scientology principles. But the new course was not enough to save the Merrion Square office, as former Scientologist Anthony Phillips recalls:

One day Jack Parkhouse, the executive director asked me into his office, at the basement at the foot of the stairs. Would I take the job of Director of The American College of Personal Efficiency in Dublin, Ireland. I was flabbergasted, and far below making a self determined decision. If Jack Parkhouse thought I could do it, who was I to say no?

I went to Dublin, and for me it was six months of hell, where when I sent my weekly report to Jack and Ron Hubbard, I pleaded every time for someone to relieve me. I understood there was 25 percent unemployment in Dublin, we were in debt to the newspapers that carried adverts for us. Twice Jack sent an auditor out for a week to audit me, and generally sort the affair out. After 6 months I was relieved (in two senses of the word).

There was one highlight to this period; the running of the Personal Efficiency Course.

No. 69 Merrion Square closed in 1958. But a plan to re-open at the same location was hatched by Scientology leader David Miscavige more than 50 years later. No. 69 was not available for purchase, but for a sale price of 400,000 Euros, No. 4 was the next best thing, as announced by Orange, California-based Scientologist Mary McCrink and Dublin mission Executive Director Ger Collins.

 
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A National Affairs Office is unusual in Scientology. There is only one similar facility – in Washington, DC.

The Frasier Mansion was purchased in 1994 to serve as the Founding Church of Scientology of Washington, D.C.. But the 1890 structure was too small for the Ideal Org program announced in 2004, under which all orgs should have at least 50,000 sq. ft. of space, and Scientology purchased the former American Trucking Association building on 16th St. NW as their new home. Rather than sell the Frasier Mansion, it was repurposed to be the first National Affairs Office.

 
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The National Affairs Office is different from other Scientology orgs and missions, which all share the seven-division, 21 department “org board.” The National Affairs Office has only one department – the Office of Special Affairs, or Department 20, and only one of the main three functions of OSA – public relations. The purpose is to promote Scientology’s “fourth dynamic”, or “4D” campaigns which purport to help mankind through drug education and promoting human rights, but have a secret purpose to recruit opinion leaders in the community as allies to help protect Scientology from attack, a policy known as “safepointing.”

The office hosts politicians, diplomats, activists, religious leaders and other opinion leaders, such as this 2013 event with Scientologist and actress Jenna Elfman, OSA staff member Beth Akiyama and U.S. Congresswoman Corrine Brown.

 
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At this 2012 event held at the office OSA staff member Jesse Morrow hosted local religious leaders for a drug education seminar for the group Foundation for a Drug-Free World.

 
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While the Dublin mission has fallen on hard times and struggles to stay afloat, Scientology has been preparing the city for the opening of their own National Affairs Office by involving Irish officials in Fourth Dynamic events. The honorary mayor of Galway, Ireland, Noel Larkin, participated in this event for the Foundation for a Drug-Free World along with Clearwater-area Scientologists and the Scientology swing band The Jive Aces.

 
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The Mayor of Limerick Kieran O’Hanlon.

 
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Waterford Mayor John Hearne.

 
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The Deputy Mayor of Cork in Ireland, Ken O’Flynn visited Clearwater and the anti-Psychiatry group CCHR (Citizens Commission on Human Rights).

 
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Opera singer Amanda Neri is seen as an opinion leader, and has expressed interest in OSA and the National Affairs Office.

 
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Tuairisc.ie reported in August, 2016 that Scientology is translating materials into Irish. These are materials for the Foundation for a Drug-Free World, one of the front groups that will be promoted by the National Affairs Office. The “Truth About Drugs” pamphlets mix accurate medical information about drugs with false information, such as this claim that all drugs are poisons, and the dosage determines if it is a stimulant or depressant.

 
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The L. Ron Hubbard booklet The Way to Happiness and materials for the Scientology drug rehab system Narconon are also being translated into Irish.

 
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We can expect Irish versions of literature from Youth for Human Rights, Criminon, and Scientology Volunteer Ministers to be produced as well. They are all parts of OSA, and will be run out of the National Affairs Office.

 
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The larger question about the new National Affairs Office is whether this represents a new series of buildings – offices in the capital cities of other countries. Scientology has a tendency towards balance, attempting to place an Ideal Org in each city, an Ideal Advanced Org, a Continental Liaison Office, and a Continental Narconon in each continent. Perhaps we will see new National Affairs Offices in Mexico City, Ottawa, Paris, Moscow, Johannesburg, Canberra, and Tokyo in the years to come.

— Rod Keller

 
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Squeeze Cathy’s cans tonight in LA

There’s one last chance to catch Cathy Schenkelberg’s solo performance of “Squeeze My Cans” in Los Angeles tonight before she heads back out of town for a while. She’ll be at the Lounge Theater at 4:30 pm. Go here for tickets.

 
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  • OOkpik

    Atomic Energy Healing Division Emergency Station??
    Bite me!

    • PickAnotherID

      Considering Blubbard that smoking would, “Run out radiation”, is that a fancy way of saying this place was a tobacco shop???

    • That’s if anyone’s left after the blast. Hubbard never quite dealt with the more obvious drawbacks of nuclear war – like being buried in rubble, or vaporised – just radiation – and he fundamentally misunderstood that.

    • WOG with Attitude

      Second clown from the left has an escaped daughter who exposed her woeful Scientology upbringing. Look up Peter Howell and Jive Aces. He’s the drummer. They are all a-holes. I’ve had dealing with them. Childish Scientologists, like the rest. Pathetic and sad!

    • Mark Foster

      Homo Wankus
      Swing Band? A cadaver swings harder…and smells better, too.

  • PickAnotherID

    After reading that, it’s entirely fitting to point out today is: (f5)

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fDVBRtJPcgs/UkIfD6FtyNI/AAAAAAAAEUM/4PElkUleIow/s1600/NPD+2013.jpg

    Wear turquise in support!

    And we mustn’t forget the minions of our paymasters, it’s also:

    http://epsa-online.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/wpd_logo_cmyk.jpg

  • Jack99

    “At the end of March 1956, Ray Kemp accompanied Hubbard on a trip to Dublin. He wanted to see if there was something he could do for Ireland,”

    Ah, the luck of the Irish.

    • The Irish told him that there was something he could do – “Go away, and stop bothering us”, so he did. Another triumph for ‘the tech’.

  • So, in summary (I can’t say ‘in short’ otherwise people make Miscavige jokes) Scientology has totally failed in Ireland, so they are deploying all of the front groups, in the hope of getting people involved without being aware of what they getting involved in.

    It’s a measure of their desperation that they have to pretend to be some kind of worthy campaigning organisation just to get anyone to pay them any attention.

    I wonder if this tactic will be used more, if it is in the least successful in Ireland.

    • Kestrel

      The actions of $cientology, Inc. have made the brand so toxic that the only way to draw in new people in any meaningful is through their related entities. Perhaps we can expect more Potemkin villages and national affairs offices in the future. How they could fill their ideal orgs out of this effort is a mystery.

      • The new situation in Ireland seems to be a recognition of Scientology’s total collapse there – they don’t even have enough members to be economically viable.

        This doesn’t take much – Plymouth (UK) had about 15 staff and 15 members and (thanks to a scam they run) manage to pay the rent and local taxes not only on the small shop they use as an org, but also the huge (empty and rotting) Ideal org building https://scicrit.wordpress.com/plymouthuk-ideal-org/

        Up to this point, Miscavige has ignored Scientology’s greatest existential threat – the collapse of recruitment – but even he has to recognise that Scientology has failed in Ireland.

        His response seems to be to buy another building (with ‘historical’ associations for Scientologists) and stock it with OSA operatives tasked with the undercover introduction of Scientology ideas.

        That might be feasible if most of the front groups actually did anything other than hand out leaflets. It any idealistic person joined up to (for example) promote human rights, they would quickly see that it was all talk (and all about getting money for head office).

        Besides, Ireland is not a big country. Word gets around. The only danger is Narconon might con some desperate people into one of their rehabs.

        I suspect we can look forward to a proliferation of Irish front groups and photographs of minor dignitaries so that the OSA can record ‘stats’, while the one and only number that is important – new recruits doesn’t budge.

        That said, I wouldn’t want a OSA HQ right next door to my Parliament.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Reminds me of more smoke and mirrors.

  • Edward Whalley

    “Whilst”? Is that like “traipsing”? Does it hurt? Apparently, being exposed to the Queen’s English affected Our Boy. Yes, it is grammatical, and you could get away with throwing it into the middle of a sentence, but to start an article, you might as well write “Hwaet!”

    Also, BE has pathos only in that book is truly pathetic.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Bunker Irish Gaelic Translation Dept.
    Cuir síoda ar ghabhar ach is gabhar i gcónaí é.

    Dress a goat in silk and he still remains a goat
    ( You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.)

    Great report, Rod.
    TY.
    I love these themed researched reports that illuminate areas in detail.
    Presumably COB is financing all this through his IAS war-chest.
    It seemed pretty clear that $cientology in Ireland is hirpling along,
    unable to cover it’s rent and unable to make new members.
    I’ll bet this is part of a broader strategy to boost front-groups since,
    post-Going Clear and other events, the brand name is permanently
    toxic.
    So the dragon in it’s death throes flails about, still capable of wounding
    many. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8449ab987b22c3121ed874285700a06d0f4fea25dabf1a3bde1552504cf25b93.jpg

    • PickAnotherID

      Yep. Sounds like DM is setting things up so he can still claim a presence in Ireland when the org folds.

      Nice pic of the spidey, unlike $cientology, being useful too.

  • Narapoid

    Puffy Tom is getting with the dissemination now in a more direct way. Ireland will be cleared now in the tip of a leprechaun’s hat!

    • Bavarian Rage

      Your whole comment was worthy but you would have gotten my upvote on “puffy Tom” alone – his “new” 2015 face never ceases to astound me. Talk about Botox gone wrong and insecure actors, whose entire sense of self is wrapped up in their looks, chasing after that elusive fountain of youth. Sad.

      ETA: Either that – or he’s lonely and ate too many cookies (‘cuz “making the able more able” hasn’t seemed to work for him.)

      • Narapoid

        There is a whole lot to be sad about with TC.

  • FredEX2

    Yep. Buy another building with a fancy address,…give it an important title,…send in Tom Cruise ( is that Tom Cruise coz it sure barely looks like him? ) …add a local celebrity…a little friendly handshaking & picture taking! …Iontach!!!….That oughtta do it.

    ~tá siad ag dul go mór níos mó ná an ádh an Irish 🍀 (Translation to English; ‘It’s going to take more than the luck of the Irish!’)
    F5
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    • OOkpik

      Fortunately, they are unlikely to be kissing babies.

    • Ciru

      “Tógfaidh sé níos mó ná an t-ádh na hÉirinigh” would be a lot closer.

      You never realise how bad machine translation is until you understand a bit of both languages!

  • Narapoid
    • I hope so. The folk tales about those guys always seem to end with them being tricked out of their treasure by an ‘ordinary’ person whom they had underestimated.

    • chukicita

      Is leprechaun Irish for Ferenghi?

  • Draco

    This article translates to:

    We are opening another useless building in a country that doesn’t want us there. We found the most expensive area in Dublin and paid a fortune for the place. It is unlikely that more than 10 people (other than the staff) will cross the threshold per year.

    So give us your money now so that we can make this happen!!

    • Mark Foster

      Also: gotta spend a few million to keep a hold on the stashed billions…

    • madame duran

      “And the best way to increase membership in Ireland is to create a national centre that houses OSA spies, PR spin doctors to con the public/opinion leaders, and legal hounds to fight off critics (perhaps a few extra Ethics Officers to berate the unproductive, low-stat locals). Improving our product/services to actually work or make them desirable isn’t worthwhile.” — Scientology logic

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Exactly, madame duran.

  • coonellie

    Translating the materials into Irish…that’s funny! When I was at school in Eiré my Irish-speaking friends couldn’t care less about things written in Irish. It was mostly spoken and, then, only to confound the English-speaking people around them (same as my Welsh-speaking comrades).

    I’m not saying that Irish speakers aren’t proud of their language, but translating material into Irish is a total waste of time. What…they’re going to hike the hills and mountains of County Cork and the Dingle peninsula to find farmers that would want their materials? Right.

    • Peter

      Perhaps I’m off base here, but isn’t the basic language of Ireland “GAELIC”? I’ve never heard it called “Irish”.

      • stanrogers

        That’s how I almost always hear it called by its speakers; it’s mostly outsiders who call it Gaelic (and then they have to specify Irish Gaelic so folks understand that they’re not talking about Scots Gaelic).

      • PickAnotherID

        It depends on exactly where in Ireland or Scotland you ask about it. A quick, and superficial, summary from Wiki:

        Goidelic languages or Gaelic languages, a linguistic group that is one of the two branches of the Insular Celtic languages; they include:

        Irish language (Gaeilge), sometimes called Erse in Scots and English
        Manx language (Gaelg or Gailck)
        Old Gaelic or Old Irish, used c. AD 600–900
        Primitive Irish or Archaic Irish, the oldest known form of the Goidelic (Gaёlic) languages.
        Scottish Gaelic (Gàidhlig), sometimes called Erse in Scots and English

      • Jon S

        I like Gaelic Bread

        Mmmmmmmn

      • coonellie

        We certainly weren’t linguists in our exactness. When doing ‘O’ levels, it was listed as “Irish”.
        Maybe in a college language class it’s important, but then you’d have to say WHICH gaelic you’re speaking. Saying, “gaelic” is generic – is it Irish, Scottish, Manx? Saying, “Irish” is accurate.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Fiú i Irish tá sé fós cac.

      • Mark Foster

        translation: Even in Irish still shit.

    • Narapoid

      Cork and Kerry Mountains; Isn’t that where Captain Miscavige counts his money? Whack for my daddy-o! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQ-tScuzwM

    • Jester1137

      My Gran was Irish, and Irish was for swearing and poetry.

  • LongtimeLurker

    For others who momentarily blanked, like I did;

    HASUK = Hubbard Association of Scientologists of the United Kingdom.

    Not to be confused with Wesuck.

    • PickAnotherID

      And here I was thinking it stood for ‘Hubbard After Suckers in the United Kingdom’.

  • madge filpot

    Oi. Me Ma is turnin’ in her grave she be. Her Dublin taken over boi the divil. I certainly hope the SP powers that be are alerting those particular city officials as to what is really going on.

  • WTH is the most appropriate reaction to receiving a dial language Way to Happiness booklet.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Make yourself a strong drink.

    • PickAnotherID

      Find the nearest recycle bin, followed by a strong drink.

    • FredEX2

      Hand it back and go enjoy a few glasses of cold Guinness. That’s a good way to happiness in Ireland.

  • FredEX2

    According to Hello Magazine in a 2013 report…Tom Cruise has traced his family origins to ‘an extraordinary family’ in Ireland. Of course it would be ‘extraordinary’ bc he’s Tom Cruise and he’s a Scientologist. I wonder what will happen when TC has the inevitable ‘cognition’ that he’s actually just a WOG like everyone else? ~Just a regular Homo Sapien and not a Homo Novis with Super Powers after all.
    http://us.hellomagazine.com/film/2013040311895/tom-cruise-visits-dublin-guinness-factory/

    • When he loses all of his money. Wealth is very good at supporting delusions of grandeur.

      • FredEX2

        Very true Once_Born.

      • LongtimeLurker

        To not have put his 100s of millions in carefully selected and widely varied low-risk investments, Cruise would have to be an ignorant, delusional, moro…

        …oh…

    • Edward Whalley

      So he’s got a perfectly good Welsh name, Mapother, and so he’s got to be Irish, since being Welsh isn’t …charismatic enough, seeing as how their fame deals with mining coal, singing in choirs, and writing untranslatable poems. And seaweed. They eat seaweed. Well, the Irish can have him, if he’s going to be so uppish about it.

      • Graham

        Irish according to this database. http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Mapother

        My own surname is Irish but there’s a lot of us in Wales too. I suspect there’s been a lot of to-ing and fro-ing across the Celtic Sea over the centuries.

        • Edward Whalley

          Fair enough. My own name is Welsh/Scots, due to a celebrity wedding in the Elizabethan era. Between a mad scientist and a witch. We’ve been on the decline ever since…

      • LongtimeLurker

        Tom goddam Jones.

        • Edward Whalley

          I try not to think about him very much….

  • It their crappy comic is “upcoming”, it’s been having a bloody long gestation since 2013: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/25/battlefield-earth-by-pruett-and-perkins-for-the-church-of-scientology/

    • Only three years? That’s a knee-jerk reaction for Scientology.

      • OOkpik

        *carefully wipes computer screen and keyboard*

    • LongtimeLurker

      Way to whore it Perkins and Pruett!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    It has been pointed out here before that the Ronbots seen with the mayors are not Irish.
    It’s a travelling propaganda team, mostly the Jive Asses
    Here’s a chilling article from some years ago about the drummer and his treatment of his kid:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/reallife/742869/i-was-put-in-cult-at-seven-after-my-mum-died-i-needed-hugs-but-got-a-childhood-of-misery/

    • Graham

      “Our teachers didn’t seem properly trained and we didn’t take GCSEs. We had to take different courses, like ones in maths, and after we had finished we had to go in front of the class and take the E-meter test. “This means holding a sort of can in each hand while the teacher takes an electronic reading. If we didn’t pass, we had to do the whole course again.”

      First time I’ve heard of auditing being used instead of a conventional end of course test.

      “At the age of eight I had to write a history of my life and answer about 300 questions which included ‘How many boyfriends have you had?’ and ‘How many sexual partners have you had?’ ”

      How is that not child abuse?

      • LongtimeLurker

        It is. That messed up crap they inflict on “Thetans in little bodies” needs to be publicised more.

    • John McGhee

      That’s it, Pan; there are no Irish scilons in those photos with the various mayors; merely jive ace member member their, perhaps, groupies? The only Irish scilon within the article is Ger Collins, husband of Zabrina, and that’s only a screenshot of his facebook posting. I approached Ger on the street in Dublin a fortnight ago and he didn’t look like the uptone dude he makes out to be. Furthermore, the mayor of Waterford has had at least two successors since that photo was taken; the photo is an old one.

      • Hayley Murfin

        The Mission in Dublin is currently running with a deficit of over £170.000- no wonder he looks downtone. Hope any creditors they have at Dublin Mission are aware of the new purchase.

        • John McGhee

          That’d be Mary Johnson who left her stamp on the Mish in 2003, a €2million settlement which has them in the red to this day. She took them to court for psychological damage.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Go Mary! And Irish justice.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      They need to put the Helnweins to work.

    • grundoon

      I was put in cult at seven after my mum died … I needed hugs but got a childhood of misery
      The Sun 7th July 2012

      Shelley Ballantyne became involved with the cult religion when she was just seven — and fled from it ten years later.

      “I have no happy memories of my childhood. All I had was years of misery. You spend your whole time studying Scientology and working for them. It’s not the way a child should be brought up, with no laughter or fun.” …

      Shelley had a normal upbringing until her mum Phyllis died of cancer aged 41 and her daughter was seven. Speaking at her home in Southend-on-Sea, Essex, Shelley, now 23, recalled: “My mum and dad separated when I was about four. He had become a Scientologist but my mum told him that while he was entitled to believe what he wanted, he wasn’t to try to indoctrinate me.”

      But after Shelley’s mum died her dad Peter Howell was given full custody of her and took her to live at Walsh Manor, a Scientology centre in Crowborough, East Sussex. Nearby is Saint Hill Manor, which is the home of Scientology in the UK, and the former home of the religion’s founder, science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard.

      She said: “Even though I was so young I knew as soon as I arrived this wasn’t a normal place. The first thing I had to do was to sign a billion-year contract. It states that every time you die you will reincarnate and rejoin the Scientologists. I was only seven — I had no idea what it meant. I became part of the Cadet Org, the child section of Scientologists. I was put into a dormitory with seven other girls. My dad was in a totally different part of the mansion and I was only allowed to see him on a Saturday. I was a little girl who had just lost her mum but I was never given cuddles or kisses. There wasn’t a caring atmosphere. You don’t get hugs like little children normally do. Parents aren’t encouraged to spend time with their children.” …

      “At eight I was cleaning huge, long drains and scrubbing toilet floors. It was a complete life of drudgery, like something out of Dickens’s day. There were never any treats. We weren’t allowed sweets, ice cream or fizzy drinks.”

      After dinner there would be at least two hours of Scientology study, then bed.

      Shelley said: “For years I cried myself to sleep. I felt like I’d been taken from a perfect world and dumped in this terrible place.”

      “At the age of eight I had to write a history of my life and answer about 300 questions which included ‘How many boyfriends have you had?’ and ‘How many sexual partners have you had?'” …

      “On the rare times I saw my dad I would beg him to let me leave but he refused. He was totally committed to them.” Shelley’s dad is the drummer in the band the Jive Aces — whose members are all Scientologists.

      She added: “I did try running away several times but I was always found and brought back.”

      — By ANTONELLA LAZZERI

      • madame duran

        *gets enraged*

        Cult needs to die.

    • Ella Raitch

      Fucker. I had missed this.

  • FredEX2

    O/T but I think I found the perfect place for the 3rd Annual HowdyCon meetup for 2018 !!!
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54fcbe85257a7a9ce3f3123bf76e75edbf17db9f4c14848c3a75bf9581dd9522.jpg

    • LongtimeLurker

      Holy crap. Because…Irish…and Cathriona…
      …and pub!

      Too perfect.

      • FredEX2

        Lurker, I love how you change your avatar every day to fit the topic!

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thanks Fred. I don’t have many insights to offer, but I can try to make my Bunker friends smile.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Scientology, I’ve stopped trying to make you….make sense to me.

    In a country where your business is drying up like the Sahara, you don’t slink out and take what you can like any sensible business, you buy another building. Well YEAH, that makes perfect sense…..
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/734fefafbb9606de749a50f185b74bf099b2d99e8ba042e2b69926a876645ecf.jpg

    • MrsLurksALot

      They keep thinking “if we build it, they will come.”

      How’s that working out for them? It’s not.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        We need a recent Gold base worker to blow and call Tony. WTF is with all the crazy decisions? Has Miscavige finally gone full crackers or is he up there truly believing this dumb shit will work? I don’t know, maybe it’s just from following all this for so long, but it feels like something is up. Know that this is just my weird feeling, we already know with Co$ this could all be for any number of ridiculous reasons. Miscavige might have had a dream where LRH spoke to him. LOL

        • MrsLurksALot

          I think all the buying of real estate and building is just a smoke screen for the IRS. What are you doing with all that money? Building new “churches”…..yeah, that’s the ticket. Never mind they are all empty shells, we are expanding!

          Also, another way to reallocate their ill gotten gains…..you are so right, someone needs to blow and share with Tony some insight behind this craziness.

          • One of the reasons I believe that Miscavige believes is that they go on accumulating money pointlessly, because they are still following the word of ‘source’.

            They have already accumulated a obscene cash reserve, most of it socked away offshore. If the IRS was going to call them on not using the money they raise for their stated purpose they would surely have done so before now – how is $2 billion in the bank not a profit?

            Still, buying buildings in one way to soak up excess funds in a form that can be liquidated later (and might even have appreciated) especially when Scientologists are paying for it all.

            I think it’s more of a smoke screen for their declining membership than it is for the IRS.

        • Even good reasoning does not come to valid conclusions if your premises are faulty.

          Miscavige operates from some very strange premises indeed, and his ‘reasoning’ is rarely valid either. He grew up inside Scientology, it’s all he’s ever known, and it has given him money and power.

          If it doesn’t work for others, that’s because they are inadequate to ‘command intention’. Yes… in a way he does believe that it will work. He hasn’t thought it out, at all but he manifestly worked for him, because he is COB and a ‘Big Being’. That’s all he needs.

          His actions are also influenced by internal politics, and he is completely out-of-touch with the situation on the ground. Consequently, to understand his actions (let alone his motivations) we have to have a lot more information about the closed social world within a closed social world that he inhabits.

          I agree – more talkative defectors, please.

  • PickAnotherID

    Is this what was being offered at the ‘Atomic Energy Healing Division Emergency Station’? (f5)

    http://s3.amazonaws.com/tobrev/t/69ffe31953ac54978406.jpg

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Irish Flake….I need to Google this.

      I’m guessing it’s not the same “irish flake” I had at a party once. LOL

      • Missionary Kid

        Tobacco.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I Googled. I like the little tin (I’ll pass on its contents). Everything is cool in Ireland. Lucky bastards. 😀

  • moonnfire

    Wouldn’t it be funny if when translated, the last line would be “please avoid, this is a total scam”?

    • stanrogers

      I want it to be clearly understood by all that only that Arsebagger character got an upvote from me. A name like that should have its own book (or trilogy in five or more parts), as well as radio and television series, and perhaps a movie or three.

      • Arsebogger 😉

        • stanrogers

          Bagger, bogger, bugger… they’re all good.

        • Graham

          Silly bogger.

    • Graham

      General Snith looks uncannily like Flubtard and Roof Arsebogger bears more than a passing resemblance to dear Slappy Miscavige.

      • Bavarian Rage

        Jinx!

      • My thoughts exactly! 🙂

    • Bavarian Rage

      Oh, these are rich! Phew…with these character sketches and summary, you’ve saved me from having to read the worst book in history. (Aside: All one has to do is add some liver lips and rotten teeth to General Snith and guess who you’ve got?)

    • LongtimeLurker

      Roof Arsebogger. Well done on the subtlety Hubbard, you maroon.

      Where’d you find these Mark?

      • On Pinterest via Googlehearsay: old promo stuff from the BE website.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Great stuff. Thanks.

    • Rasha
      • Snortle! Brilliant! 🙂

        • Rasha

          #^_^#

    • MarcabExpat

      Thought I was looking at a new, alt-grunge Fellowship of the Ring for a second there.

    • Jon S

      Hubbard chose the dumbest names for his characters…

      Angus McTavish?

      BAHAHAHAHA!

      Roof Arsebogger?

      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!

      *breathes*

      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!

      *breathes*

      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHA!
      BAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

      • Robert Eckert

        Just don’t breathe the breathe-gas!

  • Does anyone know (technically) what TC has had done to his head?
    It now seems out of proportion to the rest of him.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’m going to try this without being a total bitch to the guy.

      1. He’s put on weight and it’s showing. Why someone who can afford a trainer and a chef and the whole line up to keep in shape would, I don’t know? Unless he was asked to put on weight for a role? I don’t watch his movies so I’m unsure there.

      2. He’s taking some sort of steroid. I’ve seen steroid injections (from medication…not anabolic) cause people to puff up like that, it generally passes after awhile. He may have had an injury and they gave him some meds that did that to him.

      3. He’s doing some weird pin-cushion voodoo on himself and he had a bad reaction (this is just my goofy speculation answer).

      The fact is, we’ll probably never know. ETA: My guess is #2. That’s what his face reminds me of.

      • MrsLurksALot

        #1, with a side of fillers. They give that puffy look that we see here. Supposed to fill out the face and reduce the visibility of wrinkles. I’d prefer the wrinkles to the chipmunk look.

        He can run from anything in the movies. Can’t run from age IRL. So much for his OT powers; he can’t stop the clock.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I truly thought that too. I was sure he’d needled up and filled his face with botulism but then I saw a full body shot of him, girl….he had a big barrel chest and stomach. I’ve never seen him look like that. Now, I’m not saying there isn’t any fillers in there, I’m just saying I think it’s more than that. Maybe nothing of huge significance, but it’s something in addition to that.

          • MrsLurksALot

            It is sad, truly. Good looking people making themselves look unrecognizable, thinking it makes them look younger.

            Instead, they become a joke. A walking parody of their former selves.

            Couldn’t have happened to a “nicer” guy.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Yeah, I don’t feel sorry for him but it is sad that he can’t realize that most young good looking men become older good looking men. Men generally age pretty well, some even get better looking. I think if he’d left his face alone he’d have aged beautifully. His face has always been his money, why he would fuck with that is beyond me??

            • MrsLurksALot

              I agree wholeheartedly. Look at Sean Connery, for example, before he became decrepit.

              I may not like TC, but he was a handsome man. If he would have just aged naturally, he still would be.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Paul Newman. *swoon* Now there is a man who aged with grace and dignity and who remained handsome for his entire life. (f5)
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f1d6c5f04fcb93f63dd4bdb122ebd555722f31336485c48d05ed03dc8ec4413f.jpg

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              P.S. Agree with you on Sean Connery btw. 👍

            • MrsLurksALot
            • Missionary Kid

              His brother is bald, but those piercing blue eyes are the same.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Totes right? Leave it alone and age into a silver fox.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Yes gentlemen, please do. I can only speak for myself but I find men more attractive that way and most of the women I know do too.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Still planning on dyeing the grey out of my beard tho’. Because it looks 20 years older than the rest of my head.

            • Interested2

              Agreed

            • Bavarian Rage

              His youth-chasing bro, Travolta, has opted for the stiff alien look.

            • MrsLurksALot

              You know, I think JT is aging rather naturally, despite his toupee game. Kelly, on the other hand, has morphed into 1980s Marie Osmond….weird look, hope it is for a role, but she does not seem to work much anymore. This pic is from last week. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6ad4ec44ed3d71a7160edcf92c138e71e81e18ca7eb6c52580ec2ba7ff77590.jpg F5

            • Bavarian Rage

              Wow! In that pic you’re right. I was referring to his OJ series look …and a few close up photos where he had a short crop that accentuated a fake hairline – almost looked like plugs. I’d wager he’s made a few missteps along the way in his quest for eternal youth.

            • MrsLurksALot

              Yeah, the Shapiro make up did him no favors….

            • LongtimeLurker

              Fwiw, after her new look did the rounds on the snark-sites, she clarified it was for a role.

              I’ve blanked on what it was, and I already have too many tabs open and a shitty broadband connection, so I can’t look it up.

              I’ve failed The Bunker.

            • MrsLurksALot

              You didn’t fail us, no worries. Just went over to IMDB and she has no projects in the works according to them. Maybe she’s filming something at the sooper dooper new Sci film studio…..hahahaha.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I thiiiiiink it was tv? But if it’s not on IMDB, maybe she was BSing.

            • MrsLurksALot

              Last thing she was working on was CSI:Cyber, which was cancelled.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ooops.

          • MarcabExpat

            I’m still not sure it’s not both. The face by itself absolutely looks like the kind of changes that come with fillers. Just plain facial weight gain ought to have resulted a double chin and wider, “fatty” jaw profile, and I don’t see that. Instead I see… chipmunk cheeks.

            There are a lot of medications that cause weight gain as a side effect. It could be that he’s had some sort of illness and was able to keep it on the downlow, except for the side effects. As vain and hyperactive as he is, I really would find it surprising if he’d just let himself go.

            *disclaimer: naturally, all speculation, I KNOW NUFFINK*

        • By ‘fillers’ do you mean some kind of periodic ‘treatment’ – i.e. not implants?

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
            • Thanks.

              All I can say is “Vanity of vanities, sayeth the preacher”…

          • MrsLurksALot

            What Are Facial Fillers?
            Facial fillers are products such as collagen, hyaluronic acid and calcium hydroxyl apatite that rejuvenate facial skin by reducing or eliminating wrinkles, raising scar depressions, enhancing lips and replacing soft-tissue volume loss through facial injections. With age, our skin becomes more susceptible to wrinkles and sagging. Exposure to sun and years of muscle movement ( squinting, chewing, smiling ) contribute to tissue breakdown of the skin.

            https://www.facialesthetics.org/patient-info/facial-esthetics/wrinkle-treatment/facial-fillers-injections/

            • The way I understand it is that your skin naturally becomes less elastic as you get older (pinch the back of your hand to make the point).

              Injecting collagen is unlikely to make it elastic again (is it?) so you’re just bulking out the area to stretch wrinkly skin flat again. That’s going to increase apparent volume.

              Also, once you’ve done it, you can’t go back because you have stretched that wrinkly skin just a bit more.

            • MrsLurksALot

              Yes, like Sisyphus. Keep pushing the rock up the hill…..no turning back now.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I believe Mrs LAL is talking about dermal fillers, non-implant injections done in the chair, that last between 3 and 12 months.

            Edit – clarifying they’re not implants.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
          • MrsLurksALot

            Yeah, that is just weight gain, you are right.

            This is what I was talking about. Ed. to add, the redness is from botox, too, IMO. You can tell by the crows feet he has not yet had a full face lift. I’m sure that is next. F5

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/086d89d3c442bcb1bd9a790e4decac1e647943783b18e9498074e029303abd06.jpg

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Aggghhh….someone get the powder and touch him up!!

            • MrsLurksALot

              Nothing can fix that. I feel mean, but truth is truth.

            • LongtimeLurker

              He looks quite good in the middle one, I think.

              Rightmost image? Nope.

            • MarcabExpat

              LOL his bowtie clearly wants nothing to do with any of this nonsense.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ha!

            • FredEX2

              Steroids is my 1st best guess. Cushings disease and certain thyroid disorders, like hypothyroidism can cause this as well. But it’s the redness of his face that also makes me wonder if he had a ‘laser peel’ or other plastic surgery.

              His appearance change doesn’t seem gradual…but more like it was sudden. Don’t know what to make of it. But unfortunately he doesn’t look like himself.

          • Keeping Scientology Waning

            Remind me, he’s the one in the middle, right?

          • Bavarian Rage

            It can’t be weight gain that’s making his eyes look slitty, can it? I’m no expert – all I can say is – what the heck?! (While zooming in for a closer inspection-for the 6th time in a year)

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              He might just be drunk. LOL Who knows? The way he has morphed is so odd it’s hard to guess.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey, does he drink, do we know?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Who knows? We know Dave does. 😀

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I remember a news article from a year or two ago, showing him coming shit-faced out of a club in London.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well good for him. Thx.

          • Missionary Kid

            The three Chipmunks.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Where’s Alvin? Oh, that’s right…

            • Graham

              And guess which one’s standing on the bottom step.

      • I’m genuinely curious as to why someone whose face is an integral part of his fortune should do this to himself.

        Filling out wrinkles seems to be one possible motive, because his career so far has been based on looking young. However, surely every actor has to acknowledge, sooner or later, that they’re getting on and age gracefully.

        Clint Eastwood, for one, did this quite well…

        I suppose the Scientology mindset tells you that you can have whatever you want, however misguided, and if he wants to try to look 30 years younger than what he is, who’s going to argue with him.

        • Graham

          Perhaps he tried postulating to “Look better” but the postulate fairy mis-heard and made him “look fatter”?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Many people who get fillers and/or plastic surgery don’t see how awful it looks and unfortunately there are some doctors who don’t care, they just want the money that’s going to come from it.

          A good, honest plastic surgeon will tell you when he’s done enough or you’ve had too much or when you may not need something. The actors who stick to touch up fillers and maybe an occasional procedure, you’d never really notice, it’s that good. Some just go too far. With Cruise, I don’t think fillers are the whole story.

    • Mark Foster

      Symptom of some unique STD he got from Chairman of The Wanking Board’s nut sack resting on his forehead for so long…
      ETA Official Source of ASC Ad Hominem
      Signed my trillion year contract
      Awaiting delivery of space suit, super soaker ray gun, snickers bar, and roll of toilet paper

    • kemist

      My guess is that it’s something he did to the rest of his body, not his head.

      He lost weight to try to look younger. My pet narcissist did that too.

      They both apparently don’t understand that it makes them look weird and frail rather that young, and that it will be difficult to gain back their muscle mass at their age.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Isn’t it Enbunker to drop the phrase “pet narcissist” with no further explanation?

        • kemist

          Long story short…

          One of my very good friend has an ex who fulfills the 9 criteria of the DSM for NPD to such perfection that it seems to have been written from observing him.

          Sometimes I can’t help but be fascinated as to how similar his behavior is to Hubbard, his organization, and some of his followers. It’s spooky – like they all have the same cloned personality.

          • LongtimeLurker

            People. Get some therapy ex!

            Send your friend Lurker hugs.

        • kemist

          BTW, as an example that relates with yesterday’s spooky letters :

          He still sends emails to her, even though the only communication she has sent to him in one year is one polite but very clear “Fuck off”.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Wow.

    • aquaclara

      His ego went to his head.

      • MrsLurksALot

        Thanks for the belly laugh!!!

        • aquaclara

          He looks so much like a chipmunk but I can’t keep the squirrels and chipmunks jokes apart. TC really should just be prepared for some funny headlines on the day he does bolt from the cult.

          • MrsLurksALot

            You know, I don’t think he will ever leave the church. He is in too deep, IMO. I hope he does, but I still won’t like him. I mean, who sends their own niece to the RPF for kissing a boy? An asshole, that’s who. The 3rd biggest being in CoS, that’s who. The one who is waited on hand and foot by Sea Org slaves, that’s who.

            I dislike him very much, can you tell?

            • Third biggest after a dead man and idiot bully, too.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Half-assed business as usual for the Church.

    “It’s near the building of historical importance to us!”

    You’ve got huge cash reserves. Just keep offering the current owners of 69 Merrion Square more money until they say yes.

    It’s not exploding rocket science, Scientology!

    • aquaclara

      I Lolled at the “near” comment, too. Just imagining how much the owners at 69 might have been through for the Most Relentless Church on the Planet to concede failure.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Rod Keller is such an asset to the Bunker; this report is stellar! Thank you so much, Rod. Good luck, lovely Cathy. May your house be full and your leg be broken 🙂

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I have every faith that the Irish SPs can handle any attempts to widen Scientology’s reach in Ireland. In fact, I pity the fools.

    • PickAnotherID

      With Miscavige in charge, all they need to do is sit back and watch…(f5)

      http://orig05.deviantart.net/5b55/f/2011/362/f/d/plane_fail_by_adtxshadowx-d4kifkd.jpg

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        They won’t though. Irish SPs have always been super-proactive critics and are the reason for Scientology’s destitution in Ireland 🙂

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Me too, on both counts.

    • MarcabExpat

      Truth. There really is nothing like Irish sideeye.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Cruisey still looking chipmonky, I see.
    I’m not sure it’s the draw card it once was to have a selfie done with Tom these days.

  • Sunny

    BY THE WAY…..
    It was July 2002, and the Valencia Org, on av de Bolivar, in Venezuela had just been declared Saint Hill Size! This meant that the org was as big and busy as Old Saint Hill from the 60’s. It meant the org was stable, had lots of public, and a large area of control in their city, and even the country.
    Part of attaining Saint Hill size is that the staff of orgs that make it are GIVEN (for free) the OT Levels. All the staff have to do is make it to Clear in their org, and a team of Sea Org members come out and deliver the OT Levels to them.
    Getting through customs and immigration in Caracas was easy. They just asked the purpose of our visit (with a tone more like “what the hell kind of idiot from America would be coming into the country at a time like this?”). We said that we were tourists. We showed that we had $200 in US cash, which was more than enough, back then, to live on for a month or more.
    Soon after arriving, the protests and civil unrest in the country started. Venezuelans were being oppressed by Chavez (Their President). Chavez had already just nationalized the banks, and he was working on getting the oil companies nationalized, which was causing massive protests.
    In Venezuela, there were only 3 TV stations. One was run by Chavez’ office, and the other two, though not run by him, were heavily monitored by him (one got canned while I was there). Chavez said on one of his weekly Sunday talks that there were just a few people protesting against him, not many. To prove this as false, all those against what he was doing had devised a plan to all stop working at the same time.
    For a week (or more), all the shops were closed, all businesses were shut down. There were peaceful marches in the streets, with police in full riot gear right along with them. Several times my Universe Corp co-worker and I, while trying to get somewhere, would end up walking between the protests. In most cases, it was pretty uneventful, but several times the protesters would get up in the faces of the police, who would, in turn, pull down their masks and began macing the crowd. When we saw them begin to pull down their masks, we knew we had to make a run for it. Even mace from a block away is heavy on your eyes and throat, and difficult to breathe. Several times we got hit, just being near the crossfire.
    Meanwhile, we continued our busy Universe Corps work… I was mostly supervising the Clears through the Solo I course during this. One night, the ED and the Senior C/S came up to me, and let me know there was a 9pm curfew, and we had to leave before that. I asked what would happen if anyone was out after curfew? The police were authorized to shoot. So for months our 9pm curfew was enforced, in the entire (empty, not Saint Hill size at all) Org.
    We ran out of funds several times. I am not sure why, but our funding was coming from an office at Flag, not in LA. We asked them to wire the money through MoneyGram instead of Western Union, because MoneyGram office was close to the org, and Western union was downtown, where the Chavistas were (this is what the pro-Chavist Colombians were locally called). On the other end of the phone we heard “Its going to Western Union, make it go right!” And so, the next morning right when it opened, we were there to pick up the money. Unfortunately, they told us the office was closed. They were only able to service 8 people per day, because they ran out of US dollars daily. They suggested we camp out overnight to get the money the next morning. In the middle of this conversation, we could see and hear the Chavistas coming down the street (these were not the peaceful protesters… these ones had been daily becoming more and more violent). We knew we had to get out of there fast. Somehow we managed to hide out overnight and get the money quickly the next morning without incident. But calling back to Flag, to get these people to send money through MoneyGram, and they STILL didn’t get it!
    During all this, the protests were getting more and more, and heavier and heavier, with more people joining in against Chavez (even his own wife spoke out about him, risking her life by doing so).
    The protesters (not the Chavistas) decided to show Chavez that he could not do without them. They took the Pilin Leon (oil tanker) and blocked the entrance to Lago de Marcaibo, making it impossible to transport any oil out of the country. Chavez told them he did not need them and sent some Cubans to move the tanker. He also sent Cubans in to the oil refineries (which had been idle for weeks) and they managed to blow one of them up.
    Meanwhile, a story came out in the paper about a man who was sitting outside a government office on hunger strike until Chavez removed himself from office. In the photo, you could see that the man was wearing a Clear bracelet. For a brief period right after that hunger strike and photo, Chavez had thought the Scientologists were behind the strike in Venezuela. Things got even heavier after that.
    Then an announcement from the US embassy: All Americans are advised to leave the country. The US Embassy was closing indefinitely. (I stayed another 4 or 5 months after that).
    My non-Scn family was calling me constantly begging me to get out of the country. I laughed it off.
    So with Chavistas, protesters, police with riot gear, curfews, American embassy closing down and lots of restrictions on everyone, things were pretty shady for a country that supposedly had a Saint Hill Size org, in control of its environment.
    I final sweet piece to this, in the middle of everything else, an ad came on the TV, the Red Hot Chili Peppers were coming to do a concert (in Valencia). The ad had their new song “By the Way” in it.
    And so, when I hear the song, it brings back memories……

    • Er… wow.
      At least your time in wasn’t boring.

      • Jester1137

        When you know someone dedicated much of their life to deceit, lies, and exploitation of the gullible…you should probably take their tales with a large grain of salt.

        • Lady Squash

          Good Lord. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? I can tell you the overall gist is exactly how the Church operates.

    • LongtimeLurker

      “Part of attaining Saint Hill size is that the staff of orgs that make it are GIVEN (for free) the OT Levels.”

      I never knew that.

      • MarcabExpat

        Me neither. Wonder how often that actually happened.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Good point.

      • Lady Squash

        The system is rigged against anyone getting that far because first you have to go Clear. In theory getting that “free” auditing is supposed to be part of your “Pay” or “exchange” as they say in the gulag. Considering what is on the OT Levels, it’s a blessing.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Harrowing. What’s the title of your upcoming book…cuz it seems you have some riveting tales to tell. To all of its other stellar attributes, we can add:

      Scientology-the religion that protects its own. (Snort)

      • Lady Squash

        Like the marines, we never leave anyone behind.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Wow, thanks Sunny for your story. It is so interesting and glad you got through it.

    • Jester1137

      Leaving Scientology doesn’t mean a person ever really gains the ability to categorically see through patent nonsense.

      The plain truth is that Chavez was repeatedly re-elected by wide margins in internationally monitored elections. “The Working Class” (as commonly defined by English speakers) were his base. Of course, Northern right-wingers often redefine that term to exclude real workers and only include those with white-collars who can afford Scientology courses.

      Rather than taking this unhinged Fox News level distortion as gospel I’d strongly recommending seeking out impartial reports from the time from newspapers like The Guardian or reviewing relevant history using sources like Wikipedia.

      This is Sarah Palin version of events.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I don’t want to contribute to a whole thing, but since someone else already opened the door, I’d like to confess that when I read “…Chavez had already just nationalized the banks, and he was working on getting the oil companies nationalised…”

        I thought. ‘Well…that doesn’t seem very oppressive to the working class’.

        • Sunny

          It was difficult for me to understand what the protesting was about. I did not speak the language, and relied on two or three staff members to explain some parts of it to me. But in my story, the THINGS that happened, happened. (Not because I read them on some cushy desk in a private office, far away from Venezuela. The Guardian and Fox news were not available in Venezuela in the area that I was at during this time period, that I am aware of).
          I guess Chavez trying to nationalize was upsetting to the ones making the most money, but to the average employee, maybe was looked upon to be a good thing to level the playing field. I don’t know.

      • richelieu jr

        I was present for much of this (admittedly no for as many months, and I was not privy to Mr Chavez’ political goals, outside of his bombastic speeches and TV ‘interviews’)..

        Why I cannot speak to the truth of this person’s subjective experience, I can say it in no way squares with my own.

    • Baby
  • Rasha

    Seriously the Coolest Religion on Earth. Do any other religions have sci-fi comic books? Jack Chick Tracts don’t even come close!!

    • Missionary Kid

      But aren’t Jack Chick tracts, chick magnets?
      Dumb joke.

      • LongtimeLurker

        You’ve been warned about this kind of thing.

        • Missionary Kid

          Obviously, the warnings didn’t take.

    • MrsLurksALot

      When I attended vacation bible school as a child, we had bible comic books.

      • MarcabExpat

        Me too, but we all preferred the ones featuring Archie and the Riverdale gang.

        • MrsLurksALot

          Archie ruled!

      • LongtimeLurker

        This story…should I feel…?

        I confuse.

        • MarcabExpat

          They… weren’t very good. I trust you are not injured by the shock of this news.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I’ll be okay, thx.
            I also found the phrase “vacation bible school”confounding.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s what they called it. It was held during summer vacations. Parents who were working could dump their kids off at the church, and the kids were kept busy learning about the bible and playing games.

            • MarcabExpat

              Eh, VBS wasn’t anything nefarious. Just a week of “church day care” with activities, games, songs, lessons, arts & crafts, snacks and so forth. Kind of like going away to summer camp, but coming home every night. It was called “vacation bible school” because it was held during summer vacation, when the kids are out of school and the parents could use a break.

              My two main memories of VBS are those comics, and learning to make s’mores in the parking lot.

            • Missionary Kid

              We never had s’mores. 🙁

            • MarcabExpat

              Oh geez. Were your congregation some kind of carrot stick fundamentalists???

            • Missionary Kid

              No, I just think nobody wanted to have a fire for the marshmallows.

        • MrsLurksALot

          Feel humor.

  • cdub

    So what happens after Miscavige dies a natural death? Does he go to Target 2 also? These are religious questions by the way. Maybe he goes to Target 2-1/2 because it’ll be crowded up there with both these big thetans. Will the two of them ever return to rule the world? There would be a crisis of faith I think if no dear leader ever returned. Or what if a few dear leaders returned at the same time? Does policy cover this? Theologians will ponder these questions in future years so I’m just sayin’ … you know. Is this the real reason Miscavige dislikes pregnancies in the Sea Org so much — because he’s afraid little Ronnie will pop out of someone’s belly? If so then perhaps he’s already prevented mankind’s only hope from returning to a meat body. That’s his big overt. Ha that reads! Give it up David!

    • Chewkacca

      A natural death for DM is increasingly unlikely. Probably will die in Federal custody at the hands (or weenie) of another prisoner. And if Elwrong were to come back and give DM the secret code word, DM would throw him into the cell next to Shelly, and only allow deaf/mutes near them so they couldn’t tell anyone what they saw. WAANNH!

      • cdub

        That’s a possibility. Ronnie returned and Davey has him locked up somewhere. Ponder that Sea Ogres!

  • What’sup
    • Graham

      Watch to the end of this clip to see a certain Irish Spike make a very brief attempt to start a religion, but having no followers wandered off into the desert: https://youtu.be/Ym-k5viJ7tA

      • What’sup

        Seen it at least a dozen times. I think I’ve seen The Meaning of Life about 50 times.

        • Rasha

          Who hasn’t?

      • What’sup
    • MarcabExpat

      Eh, they could just weave some barbed wire in and out through there and make it go right.

  • kemist

    Oh goody.

    They have now realized that graphic novels are in – never mind that this was years ago for the rest of us.

    Listen guys… That dreck won’t be any better as a graphic novel than it was as a book or as a movie.

    It’s the story itself that sucks ass.

  • EnthralledObserver

    OT

    The main stream media seems to be a bit silent on this… so thought maybe I could get an eyes on the ground perspective from US peeps… have you admitted publicly yet that the shootings in the mall in Washington state by Islamist, Arcan Cetin, was Islamic terrorism yet? Or are we still keeping that swept beneath the carpet?
    Just curious…

    • LongtimeLurker

      Mainstream should be one word.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I prefer MSM… would that be acceptable?

        In any case… you aren’t ‘merican… so your eyes aren’t on the ground. Nevertheless… what have you heard?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Sure it would.

          Although personally I think the use of that kind of jargon (from any side of politics) has the potential to make the user sound like they have an agenda from word go, which makes me much less inclined to take them seriously.

          Unfortunately I’ve heard nothing on this matter that would in any way add to your quality of life.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i have such a crush on you LOL

        • LongtimeLurker

          xoxo

      • EnthralledObserver

        Better correct Kimmy on her failure to capitalise her ‘I’. Quick.

    • just another guy out there

      You made me curious too. Look what I found!
      Christian terrorism is very frightening as well. since this is from 3 years ago, there have been some pretty awful examples since then.

      http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/

      • EnthralledObserver

        “White men” aren’t necessarily Christians… that’s ‘racist’ to assert… remember your lefty dogma.

        The rest of it is bullshit… most of these crimes the religion of the criminal isn’t even mentioned or a factor except where asserted falsely by the author of this piece.

        • just another guy out there

          I didn’t say anything about white men. If you want to accuse me of being a religious bigot go ahead, you are correct. There are only a few I can stomach.

          • EnthralledObserver

            You provided a link that equated ‘white men’ to ‘christian men’… unless you didn’t read it properly before providing it to me and didn’t realise? It made your point invalid because whilst these crimes were committed by ‘white men’, they weren’t necessarily done in the name of Christianity… unlike an Islamic attack, of which all are specifically done in the name of Allah.

            • just another guy out there

              “Far-right white male radicals and extreme Christianists are every bit as capable of acts of terrorism as radical Islamists, and to pretend that such terrorists don’t exist does the public a huge disservice.” as stated in the first paragraph does not imply your take on the article. While I will readily admit that some of the examples are stretching a christian influence, for instance Wade Michael Page was probably more satanist than christian, the point of my sharing this article was to suggest that there are religious and non religious terrorists of all kinds. So far,the information coming out of Washington suggests that this was one dangerously messed up kid who has been fascinated by violence for a long time. Yes, it was reported that there may be islamic connections but we don’t know the full story. Your original post seemed like you were rooting for it to be Islamic terrorism, I hope I am misunderstanding your intention.

            • EnthralledObserver

              You definitely misunderstand.
              The intention of my original post was to highlight how your mainstream media is now deliberately hiding any link to Islam from the public and sweeping any obvious incident of Islamic terrorism under the carpet by failing to report it honestly and objectively. Terms such as ‘lone wolf’, ‘mentally ill’, ‘fascinated by violence’ (to use one of yours), calling the perpetrator ‘Hispanic’ when it turned out he was Turkish instead of just giving a description, and dismissing the evidence of Islamic connection such as crying out “Allahu Ackbah”, obfuscating by pointing to ‘Christian terrorism’, speculating about every other possible motive before Islam, stating the motive is a mystery, “Islam is a religion of peace and this violence isn’t Islam” despite the word for word evidence directly quoted in the Quran and other texts, etc, is dishonest and smacks of agenda.
              Four obvious terrorist attacks on US soil in one week and your media is acting like it’s not happening. And consequently so are its citizens. You are case in point.
              This is the new norm and you are accepting like the good little minion for the left that you are… hopefully you personally aren’t caught up in the next one. Because there will definitely be a next one.

            • just another guy out there

              Ok, I tried to be civil but you keep inserting jabs at my politics while I have tried to discuss this with you in a civilized manner. It feels like I’m debating with a Scientologist. Goodbye.

            • EnthralledObserver

              It’s okay to criticise your politics. They are ideas. Ideas are ok to question. That’s a legitimate way to advance society, you know.

            • just another guy out there

              You’ve called me “racist”, accused me of “lefty dogma” and a “good little minion”. I find those insulting and I have not made any personal attack on your politics. Goodbye.

            • EnthralledObserver

              You can attack my politics all you like – why would I be offended – that doesn’t even make sense.
              I didn’t call you racist – I was making fun of the lefty knee-jerk reaction to do so. It’s been used on me numerous times. I was taking the piss.
              You’re a little sensitive, aren’t you?
              Probably best you don’t engage with anyone you don’t agree with again – your feelings are way too delicate. The safe spaces are this way >>>
              🙂

            • just another guy out there

              You make a lot of assumptions about my politics that are incorrect. Not worth my time to explain.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Well if it’s not worth your time, then I guess you had better be happy with the assumptions made. No point whining about it unless you intend to counter it, right?

    • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

      FBI says it wasn’t terrorism, but, more importantly, what do the nuts at Breitbart think?

      If you look it up, more Americans have died at the hands of children with guns than have died at the hands of Islamacist terrorists this year.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Good question. What does the Breitbart community think?

        F5 for their perspective.
        https://media.giphy.com/media/7HNFW4kMPkc12/giphy.gif

      • EnthralledObserver

        So…?
        Five people died in this covered up Islamic (terrorist) attack. That should concern you.
        Five people, one a 16 year old girl.
        The culprit was a Turkish muslim who targeted non-muslim women/girls.
        But… ‘mericans don’t care… preferring to protect Islam over American lives.
        Nothing to see here.

        • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

          If it was an Islamicist attack, why no notes or mention of
          ISIL or any other jihadi group, before, during, or after the attack?

          And, if you want to look it up, we have had more Americas die at the hands of children who found a gun and played with it this year than have died at the hands of Islamicist terrorists.

          Would you like a rug to cower under?

          • EnthralledObserver

            An Islamic attack is an attack done in the name of Allah, at his command via the Islamic texts, by a follower of Islam. No other link to ISIS or any other jihadi group is required. A lone wolf can, and do, carry out Islamic terrorist attacks. Islamic attacks happen daily (sometimes multiple times daily) around the world.
            I’m not American… instead of living your life by terms of only what happens in America look beyond the end of your nose and consider what is happening all over the world in relation to the spread of Islam. It’s your future unless you first recognise it, then fight against it.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              There is no evidence, no claim of responsibility, so qui bono?

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Do you own any other records? Because it gets a bit boring hearing you play the same tune over and over again.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Five people dying is a bit dreary to hear, isn’t it.
        One a 16 year old girl.
        But hey… we don’t want you to be bored, right?

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Dont pretend you really give a shit about any of those killed. Ever.
          This is ALL about you and your problems, and it might happen to fit into your anti-muslim rhetoric But hey… your gonna use it for all you can, right?

          • EnthralledObserver

            Why would I need to pretend? It is concerning… it is happening… all over the western world! You leftists are the ones in denial.
            I want something done to prevent further deaths – any deaths – not just those close to me.
            What about you?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And this has to do with anything we come here to discuss… how?

      • EnthralledObserver

        I did preface with “OT” – but I guess only OT topics by your like-minded lefty mates are the only ones acceptable, right?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Name calling, too. Nice.

          (And I was a registered Republican since I was 18. But not a stupid one. So there’s that.)

          • EnthralledObserver

            Lefty? That’s what you’re objecting to?
            I don’t see anything else that could remotely be considered ‘name calling’… not that ‘lefty’ is, it’s more of a description of your position than a ‘name’.
            I think we can stop sucking our thumbs, don’t you think? You’re an adult, right?
            As for being a registered republican… doesn’t mean you weren’t a lefty… they’ve been infiltrated too with ‘regressive’ thinking for decades… just not as severely.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Go away.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Stop responding to me then… it’s YOUR choice, buddy. I’m not going anywhere.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Enthrall” is one of my favorite words, but I use it mainly to describe those who are hypnotized by group think and ready to mindlessly carry out the bidding of their malevolent masters, like the cherch’s current leader, David Miscavige, for example.

      You wouldn’t happen to know anything about that kind of enthrallment, would you? Just curious 😉

      • LongtimeLurker
      • EnthralledObserver

        I’m a never-in $cientology… must have more sense.
        Can’t think of any other cults I’ve fallen for.
        Well… there was “Cultega”, but I think maybe my mindset isn’t quite so malleable… so I don’t get the love-bombing anymore.
        I’m getting used to the hating.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          “Cultega,” I like that one! I also like, ” The Cult of Tony O”

          I think you might be getting taken for a troll as a result posting off-topic and random stuff in the midst of $cn-related conversations. And, although there’s no hard and fast rule about it, most folks here steer clear of political issues, such as whether or not some crazed killer was am islamist jihadi or just a regular crazed killer.

  • chukicita

    It is becoming increasingly harder for Scientology, Inc. to dissociate itself from its own “4th Dynamic” tentacles. It used to be so adorable when they’d say the front groups had ‘nothing to do with Scientology.’

    CCHR, TAD, WTH and Youth for Human Rights in an office shared by Sea Org staff and Office of Special Affairs intelligence operatives. Because every church needs undercover intelligence operatives to safepoint for it.

    It’s also cute how they managed to get WTH translated into Irish by a “top Irish scholar” and yet a couple months later are basically asking for volunteers to use Google translate on the Narconon materials for the new Irish Narconon *that COB announced in July.*

    What’s that again about Narconon not being Scientology?

    • kemist

      Maybe they found some wog to do that and dealt so badly with them the person quit. Perhaps they tried to pay them in scientology courses.

      • More likely they just declined to pay him for what he’d done so far.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Perhaps even threw in a free IAS status upgrade and a half off coupon for his next service on the Fleecewinds (accommodations, meals and airfare extra)

    • The Narconon materials don’t make a lot of sense (and are often ungrammatical) as they stand. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/narconon-scientology/

      Google Translate is good, but ‘garbage in, garbage out’ – it’s difficult to imagine the mess that would emerge from that effort.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      ” Because every church needs undercover intelligence operatives to safepoint for it.”…while other operatives in the same office work night and day to Fair Game the cherch’s many perceived enemies.

      George Dubya said, “If you’re not with us, then you’re against us,” but $cn pioneered that absolutist social orientation long before he made that announcement.

      Fortunately for the planet, almost everyone has realized by now that we’re against it!

      You can’t safepoint the internet!

  • ze moo

    Me thinks that old Erie needs a quick education on the clam front groups. This operation is total loss leader. No way they can make enough money off these scams to keep them profitable. The ‘National Affairs’ part of the scam can’t work either, Google is every where. Sometimes that is a good thing.

    So the clams want to put a NarCONon in Ireland. I do hope the Irish authorities can put the Shillelagh down on that scam. Thanks Rod, some interesting news there.

    Ireland is never going to be a profit center for Miscavage. How much money will he spend in this attempt to look like a real ‘ecclesiastical’ leader? The Irish will not put up with any comparison with the real Pope. That is one certain way to piss Ireland off. So I expect that to happen. Some feet just attract footbullets.

  • pollywog

    i see they broke out the tom cruise cob hybrid for a photo op with an opera singer

    • ze moo

      They only got the Jowlyness version of TC. It is not a good version.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Alright you degraded wog SPs, you asked for it!

    Another fair use excerpt from Battlefield Earth: A Saga of yada yada.

    Part III. Chapter 6.

    Terl reached up and made sure the leash was secure; he had wrapped it around the roll bar and welded the end to the rear bumper. It didn’t leave much room for Jonnie to move. His instructions had gone unheard by the small crowd. Now Terl approached them and turned, stood with his huge feet apart, seemed to swell, and yelled, “Start it up!”

    Jonnie started it up. He felt uneasy; a sixth sense was biting him, like when you had a puma behind you that you hadn’t seen. It wasn’t Terl’s threats. It was something else. He looked over the crowd.

    “Raise the blade!” roared Terl, through the horn.

    Jonnie did.

    “Lower the blade!”

    Jonnie did.

    “Roll it ahead.”

    Jonnie did.

    “Back it up.”

    Jonnie did.

    “Put it in a circle.”

    Jonnie did.

    “Now build a mound of snow from all angles!”

    • Rasha

      *vacant stare* ….continue…..

    • SciWatcher

      “Now touch the wall.”

      Jonnie did.

      “Thank you.”

      • Mockingbird

        Now empty the wallet, now max out the credit cards, now empty the college funds, now sign over the children to the Sea Org, now sell the cars and house, now sell your business, now declare bankruptcy.

    • Chee Chalker

      ‘……a sixth sense was biting him, like when there is a scientologist’s hand on your wallet, but you haven’t felt it yet….’

      • LongtimeLurker

        Ha!

    • stanrogers

      It was at that point that Jonnie had to call Terl out on a matter of simple geometry. “All angles? Do you even know what that means in a three-dimensional space?!”

      • LongtimeLurker

        Three-dimensional space? I’m barely a two-dimensional character you stinking man-animal!” raged Terl.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Lil davey the savage felt uneasy; a sixth sense was biting him in his shortarse, like when you have a puma behind you that you hadn’t seen.” There…fixed it!

      Lil davey the savage is having trouble discerning exactly what it is that’s stalking him because Elron, for all his idiot savant abilities to peer into the very distant (imaginary) past, had almost no prescience whatsoever.

      Elron coined the very descriptive phrase, “stuck in an incident” to describe how the past can keep us from accurately perceiving the present, but he was “stuck in an era,” the post WW11 period of the 50’s, when the highest technological achievement for manned space flight that he could imagine were DC-8s, capable of intergalactic journeys at, what we now know, would have had to achieve faster than light speed velocities to get them to Teegeack and back to even the closest, potentially habitable solar system.

      Worse still, Elron failed to anticipate the rise of the internet and, as a result, lil davey the savage can run, but he can not hide from its super puma power that is stalking his piddly, furtive and conniving ass 24/7/365.

      There’s no going back to the 50’s, Kool-Aid lovers, and the only organizations that are going to survive and thrive are those that have learned to surf that enormous wave of digital age transformation, rather than being taken down by it from behind, then mauled and eaten by it 😉

      The SuMP project is $cn’s digital age Alamo – too little, too late, and about to be overrun by the vast forces arrayed against it!

  • This reminds me of the (temporary) legal difficulties which delayed the broadcast of “Going Clear” in the UK.

    This was orchestrated by an Irish lawyer, who was personally retained by David Miscavige. At that time he had powerful contacts in the Northern Irish government whom he seems to have been instrumental in persuading them to retain the old, more repressive UK libel laws – something which works to the advantage of Scientology. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/05/05/private-eye-going-clear-and-the-uks-new-libel-tourism-centre/

    Scientology in the North seems to be no more prosperous than it is in the Republic.

    • Chee Chalker

      Fewer Catholics in the North……

  • MrsLurksALot

    Anyone else’s upvotes disappearing? Lots of comments I know I already upvoted showing nada.WTF, Disqus? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a0b75249ff05ca541612608962b5f712b26ca68e7a987c8db9b2e0c8946caab.jpg

    • Rasha

      Not recently, but I do agree with the sentiment.

      • MrsLurksALot

        A point on which we can all agree, I’m sure. Ed.

        • Elizabeth Lavet

          A day or two ago, my rather long comment was rearranged just a little, a section of one sentence moved to another sentence where it did not make sense. I had earlier edited it and put in paragraphs so this might have caused problems. After getting it like I wanted it and then later seeing it rearranged, I decided to delete all but the first couple of sentences, as I did not want to leave a completely deleted spot.

          • LongtimeLurker

            You gotta pre-type them in a Note program or app and then cut and paste.

            I’ve done it since losing a couple of long comments. Worth the slight extra effort imho.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Hadnt noticed until you said that, and yes. Grrrr.

  • Ritterritter

    I remember watching this live discussion in 1995, it was on Irelands most watched TV show, I was never tempted to do a free personality test after watching it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYy0QWuuKCE

  • ScnMonkeyNuts

    monkey feeling bitchy today…It probably shows…Tom—In the name of all that is holy step AWAY from the plastic surgeon (unless you really want to look like a chipmunk). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61de92cd47281d0170c3dd5f1025d54da3c9a481feba9c77b2f809cff220201d.jpg

  • Chee Chalker

    Why do I get the feeling that there are ‘Beware’ posters being made of certain Irish Underground Bunker dwellers being made at this very moment?

    ‘If you see this person (Peter, John D. i-Betty, etc) do NOT use your OT skills (after all, it’s not a party trick) to confront and shatter! Run away and let OSA know so we can go their homes early in the morning’

  • As another much more worthy inhabitant of Merrion Square once said: “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.” They’re only doing this because Ireland’s already deployed the ignore-tech… (Refresh with a pint of plain): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d8681d1eabd6d57af2310d3ed33e6a553b5e2b75e1e39ef39958507abef4c06.jpg

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I think they should dress up like pirates and ride around the islands in a boat, drunk, loudly singing Irish songs and screeching LRH quotes from the bow.

      It would give the Navy’s of both countries on duty that day a good laugh and it would be less of a waste of time than what they’re actually doing. 🙂

      • Ashore it’s wine, women and song; afloat it’s rum, bum and concertina. 😉

        • Graham

          I’m not gonna ask what they do with the concertina.

          • It’s the barrel with the extra-large bung-hole they should be worrying about!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          According to Churchill it was rum, buggery, and the lash.

          • Well… sodomy and the lash – and he was trying to put senior Admirals in the their place at the time.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Years ago I pitched a book about pirates to a publisher. They turned me down.

          I’ve often wondered if it was because my preferred title was ‘Tales of Thuggery and Buggery’.

        • Chee Chalker

          And LRH did enjoy the naval life
          Hmmmm

          • iampissed

            Ok I know I shouldn’t,
            But how about naval tail.

        • niçoise

          Oh, we have concertinas on shore as well.

          https://youtu.be/tJxjltBdeXg

      • Baby

        Oh I don’t know No’Leans.. I think they should do something different than they usually do..

    • Graham

      A Flann O’Brien quote. Classy.

      • Well, a bit classier than your man Myles na gCopaleen…

        • GARRY PAGE

          Sure he can’t be classier than himself,sure he can’t.

          • As he himself said: “When I want to read anything, however, I usually write it meself.” You can’t say fairer than that, now 🙂

  • What’sup
    • Newiga

      WHY!? T_T

    • Mockingbird

      She will never escape that one.

  • Meepthorp

    OMG is that a Leprechaun standing next to Amanda?!

  • Dave Reams

    Oh Tom! Don’t you know the space opera is about to end when the fatuous lady starts singing?

  • Typo: He spells it Antony Phillips, not Anthony Phillips.

  • aquaclara

    Giving a big shout out to the Irish Anons who have put up with all this BS in their country. I’m convinced the ONLY reason why the Angry Elf bought the property was in an attempt (however useless) to ward off the blows from the Anons. Included in that bunch are the fun loving now-known Anons, of course!

    Time to celebrate all the good things Irish today!

  • the effervescent mongoloid

    By the looks of puffy-faced Tom Cruise, his support of scientology’s drug-free world campaign is on the condition that alcohol not be considered a drug. And what would Sea Org members do if they couldn’t have their favorite drug, nicotine? I’m just kidding, we all know scientology’s lip service about drugs is just a PR strategy to insinuate itself into the warm-blooded populations.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Bwahahaha….”warm-blooded populations”. That’s $cn for you in a nutshell, relentlessly employing the reverse “Tin Man” strategy since the early 50’s

  • A National Affairs Office in Ottawa? Perhaps if they take over one of the tattoo joints…
    ..
    http://www.seemytravels.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/rideau-st.jpg

    • I wonder who owns that hideously huge security camera in the upper right?

    • LongtimeLurker

      For almost 30 years I’ve (mostly) lived in or near the Australian equivalent of places that look like that, by choice (mostly).

      But to the innately reactionary Church, that’s gotta hack them off, yeah?

    • MaxSpaceman

      (( If Drumpf wins, intend to move the Spacemans to Canada. I heard Ottawa might be, for many reasons, a more “go-to” place than maybe Toronto or Montreal. Suggestions dude? (if one would remain east of, say, the Mississippi River, relative to you’all up there.) ))

      • kemist

        Depends what you like.

        If like yourself a good nightlife, I would not choose Ottawa. It’s nice if you like a quiet life, and it has nice parks, museums, embassies and an outdoor market (By Market).

        Toronto and Montreal might have a better offer re.: city life. If you don’t mind having to acquire a bit of french, at least to understand people on the eastern side of the island and in suburbs like Laval and Longueuil, Montreal is both cheaper to live in and has lower criminality than Toronto.

        If you’re ready to commit yourself to learning french, Quebec City (where I live) is great. It has been seeing a lot of economical development (especially if you are in a tech sector) in the last few years and still manages to be relatively cheap to live in, and has almost non-existent criminality.

    • Kestrel

      Three storefronts where one could find themselves marked for life.

  • gtsix

    Oh the OSA building in DC. Such a lovely building, and no one goes in it, or near it. A huge empty building for spies… yeah, that’s religious.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I really do love that building. What it houses, not so much,

  • Graham

    So for their first National Affairs Office outside the USA they’ve chosen a country which…

    a) is small enough for information to spread like wild-fire
    b) has a strong but beleaguered Catholic Church determined to defend its territory
    c) countering b above: a tide of opinion questioning the power and role of religion
    d) virtually zero in-country support or membership
    e) a well prepared, battle hardened and determined group of critics

    Well, nothing like meeting trouble head-on.

    • Graham

      Perhaps they think they can be big fish in a small pond? Unwittingly echoing Flubtard’s fantasies of being big in Rhodesia.

    • f) a DSA with a recent court conviction for smearing a protester. Ooops.

  • Username

    I can’t help feel sorry and overwhelming saddness for all the people in Ireland that will fall prey to this scam. The direction of their lives will be forever altered because a wolf in sheep’s clothing came to their door. They will be financially abused, loose their homes, loose their children to the sea org so they can come to the states on a visa never to hear from them again, etc, etc,… Big sigh 🙁

    • Elizabeth Lavet

      It has been an eye opener for me to see they do not readily get the same movies and books in Europe that we do in the US. Thank goodness for YouTube and the internet, since people from many countries see the same thing, unless you are a Scientologist with computer screening software placed on your machine.

      • Username

        Yes that was interesting for me to learn too. Thank God for the Internet.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      It’s truly sad to contemplate, but with $cn dying off in a straight down and vertical manner, there’s every reason to be optimistic about the possibility of an $cn-free world in the not-so distant future! Everyone just needs to stay the course and KSW (Keep $cn Withering) for those abuses and tragedies perpetrated by the cherch to continue to diminish in number.

      • Username

        Thanks! I needed that. I think their days are numbered too and am optimistic. I just know there will be causualties along the way until the CO$ goes away. It’s unavoidable. I guess I was just thinking about how the actions of one then bounces off another like a molecule, setting it off in another direction. If Co$ never decided to try to infiltrate Ireland, their lives would be different.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I agree, injured and cornered animals are the most dangerous kind.

          ” If Co$ never decided to try to infiltrate Ireland, their lives would be different.”

          That’s a very good point and a lesson that $cn just never seems to be able to learn. Australia is another excellent case in point. Screwing up there early on has continued to come back to haunt the cherch for six decades now. And with the publication of Cannane’s new book, Fair Game, we now have a very detailed account of all its atrocities and human rights abuses that occurred there, some of which were pioneered there and continue to be employed to this day by this vicious and criminal cult.

      • Kestrel

        As long as Scientology technology is available there will be someone out there trying to use it to benefit themselves. I don’t have a problem with that, and if they are able to use something to improve themselves, I think that’s just great. The wild card is, how long will it take $cientology, Inc. to implode? If they really do have billions of dollars in liquid assets and minimal liabilities, it could take a long time. Or documentary evidence of felonious financial improprieties.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I don’t have a problem with it either. In fact, Elron “borrowed” some very effective counseling techniques from others that, to me, form the basis of any efficacy that it has, so it could hardly be “all bad” because it was never “all his” to begin with 😉

          Let folks make their own decisions on “The Tech” for themselves, just get rid of all the criminal conduct, human rights abuses and authoritarian mind control aspects of it and it can find it own level of value on an even playing field with every other counseling model out there.

    • MarcabExpat

      Scientology has a bad rep there though, and the Kult has had such a rough time there so far. There’s definitely already awareness — they’re both disapproved of and laughed at. It was made known there that Cat White was entangled in Scientology, and then there was the flap over leaked footage of DM bragging about their exploits in Ireland. Tony reported on that, though I can’t find the entry now. A local radio show exposed how ridiculous they were. (I hope I’m remembering that right. It was… entertaining.)

  • BosonStark

    Maybe they need a national affairs office in Ireland because Tom Cruise is planning to have an affair with an Irish national. Taking over the country would be a logical next step.

  • Beth

    As I recall, there were many photos like this taken with Tom in front of this staircase. *cough cough* .
    I would love to know what, if anything, Tom says to the person he’s being photographed with when he stands on the step(s) behind them to try to match their height. Does he mutter “apple box staircase tech – just go with it – don’t laugh or I’ll kill you” ?

    • Graham

      Ha ha! Well spotted. I’d not noticed that.

      • Beth

        My guess is that Tom just stands on the step and handlers whisk the VIP’s in and out for their photo op so fast that they never have a chance to think or say anything. They are told – “stand to his left, shake his hand and smile, move on”.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT
    Just saw Bruce on Colbert. I never knew about his depression.

    He suffers from clinical depression and he still turned out Bruce Springsteen?

    wth.

    • outraged

      hey! many many of us suffer from depression. We are as functional as anyone else sometimes. Very high functioning depressives in the world. Bruce rocks!!! Best line from a news article:

      “[W]hoever you’ve been and wherever you’ve been, it never leaves you,” he said. “I always picture it as a car. All your selves are in it. And a new self can get in, but the old selves can’t ever get out. The important thing is, who’s got their hands on the wheel at any given moment?” Word❤️

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah, it’s the ‘sometimes’ I can do (I have MDD).

        I’ve been very high functioning off and on.

        But Bruce is nailing it, right?

        • Juicer77

          It’s great that he’s being public about it. Good on ya, Bruce!

          • LongtimeLurker

            I agree. He talks about it in his new book, apparently. Which I haven’t read yet, but will.

      • MarcabExpat

        Wow what a great quote.

      • Username

        Really great. Thanks for sharing.

    • LHS (Nasty Woman)

      I’ve heard things about his depression before (I’ve read a great deal about him because I’m a serious Springsteen fan, maybe verging on obsessional, but in my defense, he seems to inspire that in a lot of people!). I have moderate depression and multiple anxiety disorders, and it’s his music that I turn to when I’m in an especially dark place. When I think that someone with depression could still get into the mindset to create something like this that is so full of joy, that really helps me cope with my issues.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGbUe9-kAR0

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’m a pretty big fan too, particularly as I get older.

        Sorry to hear about your illnesses. I have an anxiety disorder too.

        It’s amazing what he (and other creatives with similar conditions) has created.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Redacted.

        • LHS (Nasty Woman)

          Fixed. Merci beaucoup. 🙂

          • LongtimeLurker

            Nice!

  • Corrine Brown must have been a spectacularly bad congresswomen crook: Incumbent since 1993 and she lost in the Democratic party primary. Buh-bye!

    HuffPo:

    Brown’s re-election bid was dogged by her federal indictment on 22 charges that include conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax violations. The 54-page indictment accuses the 69-year-old congresswoman and her chief of staff of setting up an unregistered charity to raise $800,000 for a fake scholarship that was actually a personal slush fund used for car repairs, air travel and even Beyonce tickets. If convicted, Brown faces a maximum of 357 years in prison and a fine of $4 million.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Was it supposed to read ‘recumbent’ instead? That would explain it.

      • Juicer77

        XD

      • There must be a lurking davenport. Behind the gazebo?

        • Susan black

          Extra point for use of “davenport.”

        • LongtimeLurker

          “Oh look, a gazebo.”

          “Where?! Kill it!”

          Man, I wish I could remember what that’s from.

    • Jimmy3

      There was some gerrymandering nonsense in those districts tho. That’s why she lost a primary.

      • MarcabExpat

        Either that, or the thing about being indicted on 24 counts 🙁

        • No one likes a clumsy crook in Congress.

          • MarcabExpat

            Getting caught with your hand in the till is so gauche.

            • ze moo

              New York’s governor, Andy Cuomo just had 2 of ‘formerly’ closest aids indicted on corruption charges. Somehow, Andy’s hands are ‘clean’. I call bullshit….

            • Persons of Congress are expected to have some standards for kick-backs and lining their nests.

        • Jimmy3

          They just playa hatin

    • MarcabExpat

      She’s currently embroiled in a massive corruption scandal and facing a couple dozen felony charges.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      She seems like a perfect fit for $cientology!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        My thoughts exactly.

  • The [Washington] office hosts politicians, diplomats, activists, religious leaders and other opinion leaders

    Perhaps, having failed with the people, the Irish operation is going to lobby instead and try to counter the terrible image that Scientology had made for itself, over the years.

    • Graham

      Watch out for them trying to get their crap into schools.

  • MarcabExpat

    Anybody whose Irish is good enough to translate these pamphlets properly is going to proffer a result different from what they are expecting. F5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6511b5288294682ca56f8e0057e761562af3dfdf5233454a09f359975c5fb64f.png

  • flyonthewall

    if I just hide in the Bunker long enough the getting ready for the day screaming in the rest of the house will go away eventually

    • Jimmy3

      Your family game strong, bro.

      • flyonthewall

        I have to go to the bathroom…there has to be some way out of this, think man, think! *sigh* I have to go 🙁

        • Jimmy3

          The right move Depends on your options

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Is this your “happy place” as well?

      • flyonthewall

        mm-hm *wipes tear*

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Come here, little guy *pats fly on shouder*. You want a juice box?

    • LongtimeLurker

      Isn’t it Sunday there?

      What the heck? Getting ready for Sunday doesn’t need to be screaming, surely?

      I mean, I’m single and childless, so what do I know…

      • flyonthewall

        idk. Leftovers have been stolen, messes to be cleaned, I think I heard a gunshot…

        • LongtimeLurker

          Damn dude. Just open the window and sneak out.

          Me and Jimmy will get the van and meet you in back of that burnt out White Castle round the corner in 15.

          Wish I had leftovers, tho’…

  • nottrue
  • LHS (Nasty Woman)

    “We’d be walking down the street and all of a sudden he wasn’t there. I’d look back and see him deep in conversation with someone, asking them if they had a job, what their skills were, things like that. Believe it or not, he’d actually run a little process on them there and then and they’d feel better and he’d walk away.”

    If someone did that to me, I would not feel better and walk away. I’d feel very unsettled, run home, and possibly reach for the benzos.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Yeah, I’m calling BS on him running an actual working ‘process’ on someone on the street and them feeling better.

      More likely they were just responding positively to someone showing an interest in them.

      Or maybe he was just being normal-person charming, which apparently he could be occasionally.

      • kemist

        Narcissists have that weird ability to turn on the charm when they need it. Often people who surround them (but not those who live day-to-day life with them) will tell you they’re very good and helpful people.

        It does not work with everybody – I never liked my friend’s ex for some reason. I felt like my arse was getting kissed for some purpose, and that he was probing for certain feelings and reactions.

        That’s when I started experimenting.

      • Or, perhaps they all told him to bugger off, and the guy who looking back didn’t hear that.

    • Hard to imagine someone not noticing Hubbard vanishing into thin chubby air. Too bad there wasn’t some way of improving their perceptics…

  • Mockingbird

    Good non Scientology filled morning Bunkeroos. It seems despite GAT I and II and the ideal org scam and all his super powers David Miscavige still has a massive shrinkage problem. No man likes to admit he can’t measure up but the Scientology cult leader clearly can’t get up or keep up certain measurable results.

    No matter how many feat of buildings he attains for packaging and how nice the facades are it’s what he’s packing inside that really counts and what he does with it. And there he has failed to man up.

    The puny, even diminutive, nature of Scientology is obvious if you look at each individual area and the struggle they have to go through to get any new Scientologists made or retained, the very tiny percentage of people that are Scientologists and the tendency of ex Scientologists to never return once they begin learning the truth about the cult, David Miscavige and of course Hubbard himself.

    The best news about Scientology may be the lack of results it has in persuading most people. Most people don’t get recruited into Scientology and Hubbard never figured out how to overcome the high rejection rate his cons faced.

    The con had the peculiar feature of not persuading people in general but on some of the people it did persuade it would be extraordinarily effective in influencing them. It affected their memories, beliefs, imaginations, loyalties, emotions, core identities and behavior. It got people to set aside their skepticism, judgment and common sense. It got them to believe in mystical experiences and abilities that claim to provide demonstrable abilities like telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, perfect memory, perfect health, reflexes and stable exteriorization with full perception.

    It got people of all levels of intelligence to believe in these experiences and abilities as part of Scientology and the results it routinely attained despite not one bit of scientific evidence or validation ever being produced. It got otherwise sensible and moderate individuals to become fanatics and zealots in submission to Hubbard himself.

    Plainly, if a con man starts with a trusting mark to fool as long as the trust doesn’t fade he has a chance. That Hubbard relied on hypnosis and his understanding of rhetoric came with certain liabilities. Hypnosis as Hubbard himself remarked worked on some people on others it didn’t, it worked sometimes and it didn’t sometimes. The rhetoric he used was never perfect and it truly relied on people being open to the possibility he knew what he was talking about, was honest and his technology might actually work.

    Many contradictions in his work and many inconsistencies if compared to reality on the subjects he discussed could expose Hubbard and end any possibility of his influence being effective.

    It’s clear that for a very small percentage, possibly below one percent, a great degree of influence occurs and Scientology and Hubbard comes to rule over their lives and minds in a profound way. He effectively persuades them to set aside their own critical faculties and independent judgment regarding his doctrine and they ignore the contradictions in his words.

    They come to believe in past events he suggested and accept his definitions for thousands of terms as being the fundamental underlying nature of reality. They are effectively duped. They accept his definitions for all mental and emotional phenomena. In indoctrination they accept their confusion and blankness as stemming from his fictional MUs, even when they know they don’t have any. They follow his idea that what they are confused about stems from something else, something he describes and never an error or problem with his methods. They interpret blind trust without doubt as desirable. That gives them deep euphoric trances. In indoctrination they interpret that as beneficial and learning while in auditing they interpret that as attaining mental and spiritual freedom.

    It’s a true reversal of truth as having absolutely no independence or doubt regarding another person isn’t freedom, it’s dependency.

    So Scientology has the peculiar trait of influencing very, very few people effectively. But on a tiny number of those people it is so effective and so insidious it boggles the mind.

    Now it has been so thoroughly ridiculed and exposed by the media and online that it has almost no effective recruitment efforts. It starts with people that don’t believe it could be true or even not absurd.

    It’s secrets, crimes and absurd hidden upper level materials are exposed to people before they are recruited by the cult.

    The cult shrinks and every story of Ireland or Russia or Germany that includes the details on its size helps to counter the fake expansion Scientology claims. The millions wasted to put up shiny facades is rendered worthless for fooling people outside the cult.

    It’s a bubble world with an ever increasing difference between the delusional reality believed in Scientology and the actuality of life.

    Scientology never persuaded millions at any one time. It’s had perhaps a hundred thousand members at its peak. It has maybe a fifth of that now.

    It has no one left to fool now, besides the last few desperate members it abuses and loses with each passing day.

    • Username

      Great insight. My concern is their money at this point. With so many desperate people in the world, they know they can manipulate people to their advantage. Bull crap or not, if someone offers them a chance to come to the states and pay a little money to escape a dead end world, many would jump at it. I just pray that the whale gravy train stops and it all comes to a trickling end.

      • Mockingbird

        That’s their one remaining recruitment pool. They can find people in far off countries that never get warned about Scientology and are poor. They can have them join the Sea Org to escape poverty and then try to make Scientologists out of them. Those poor people are caught in a terrible trap.

        If they realize Scientology is a fraud they dare not leave as they would be sent back to their homeland and starvation. If they stay they have to cooperate or expect to be sent to the RPF.

        Not great options.

  • Wog

    Scientology puts up “Dog and Pony Shows” so people think they do humanitarian programs…

    It is only a SHOW they keep on the road….

    Meanwhile – Inside Scientology – they are cruel and inhumane to everyone.

  • Wog

    The only thing missing in Scientology’s Ideal Org’s are PEOPLE

  • LongtimeLurker

    ^^^ The heart…

    Click it.

  • Mockingbird

    The national affairs office sounds like the National Enquirer and is less honest. The espionage and fair game tactics by OSA make the fictions of the Enquirer seem innocent by comparison.

    The Enquirer spreads absurd stories while Scientology creates horror stories in real life.

  • Newiga

    In how many more formats can they push Battlefield Earth to the world? Jeeeeeez.. I suppose a remake of the movie is on its way? Maybe they should start by translating the master piece of Crap Nebula into Irish….

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Next up: Broadway!

      • Newiga

        Nooooooooooooo! Can Krusty sing?

      • ze moo

        Only if Parker and Stone write it!

    • LongtimeLurker

      S**thouse video game?

      edit – OMG! I could put my game dev experience to use.

      • Newiga

        Send your CV to DM. 😀

      • Newiga

        Battlefield EarthGO?

    • Rasha

      Web comics, opera, Happy Meal boxes… (there are 44 others, but I just can’t…I just… can’t..)

      • Newiga

        LMAO at the thought of Battlefield Earth Opera. x’D

        • iampissed

          It’s so tragic, it might just work.

          • Newiga

            It couldn’t be worse than the movie…

        • stanrogers

          For those who thought the Ring Cycle was long and ponderous…

      • stanrogers

        The Album of the Soundtrack of the Trailer of the Film…

    • iampissed

      I’m voting for a View Master version.
      I’m thinking that will make Fly happy.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Choose Your Own Adventure interactive gamebook!

      All the options are bad.

      • Newiga

        You end up paying through the nose for courses you don’t want or need? Sounds like Scientology, alright.

  • Andrew Robertson

    It has come to my attention, (if that’s the appropriate opening phrase) that Mr Rathbun has a bee in his bonnet.about something that is eating away at his thetan,

    “ASC”, “blackmail”, “pre-school level cognitive-coordination challenge” ………..

    What on earth is he on about in his latest missive? Is he okay?

    Andrew

    • Frodis73

      Yes, who sent out a blackmail letter w/out pre-approval? And he has some nerve to say we have pre-school level cognitive skills.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Seriously. I can recite my ABCs just fine…80% of the time.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Whoever sent the letter was, apparently, royalty.

        WHICH OF YOU QUEENS HAS BEEN POKING THE HORNET’S NEST?!?

      • kemist

        Mmmm… I’m starting to think our cult has a leadership problem.

    • Jimmy3

      I can touch my belly button with the best of them

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Meh. Can’t be arsed with the Mark Side of the Interwebz anymore. Whiny butthurt gets repetitive, and the waahmbulance is on overtime. ETA: Yaaaawn–boring!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Without even looking at his latest “post”…

      No. He’s not okay.

      What he’s on about doesn’t make sense. Not even to him.

      There was no blackmail. He’s a liar.

      • George Layton

        Don’t ask for Docs or he’ll flunk you.

    • kemist

      Yes, he’s ok.

      He just needs to apply this and go on with his life : https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c1e9f812a5c604b48e59f91e11c8296210c9a4b63be92050a4b965d642bb48a.jpg

    • Rasha

      Who?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I see Jeff Hawkins got called out in this one. It’s like somebody is just going down their bucket list.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      In a related story, Frankenstein says, “Fire bad!”

      • LongtimeLurker

        Delightful!

    • Qbird

      Hello there, Kiwi Love ~ I do not think he IS okay. He’s mad.
      He’s cleaning house, says he, getting rid of all the garbage. I just don’t go over there any more.
      I got no call to pick on that guy & his adherents… got no reason whatsoever to bug ‘im.
      I find this helps me to keep my peace of mind.
      It is not a hard thing to do, to leave a person alone.
      leave ‘im bee ~ don’t get stung ~ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/029c29766eefcf58ea871e3b1584c97b9b75e36966aaa3d5a4e1914b5459f0dd.png

    • Is he okay? Questionable.
      Maybe it’s time to stand back and not make him worse.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I take it that Irish should not be confused with Scottish Gaelic AND
    Scottish whiskey is not the same as Irish whiskey:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A5CHEmTT5s

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Opera singer as well as CROSSOVER artist??
    I want my favorit artist, Dolly Parton, to stick to Country music:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUWJeoSoios

  • nottrue

    All i did was google The Bunker. They could have at least let me keep my uniform https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33a0903317a8c6a3c7b82eec7527c962edce695b099e0006648b705c89810a8d.jpg

    • Rasha

      “What the hell did I just sign???”

  • cdub

    So 30 years after Ron Hubbard wrote and talked like gazillions of words about the super human abilities people can receive from his “tech” they’re going to scrap all that auditing and training nonsense in Ireland and instead lobby the government to adopt Hubbard’s weird ideas about drugs and such.

  • Jon S

    This is great and shit all at the same time… http://battlefieldearth.com/characters/

    • Jon S

      Anyone teaching a course on design or media studies could run a brilliant class on “cliche and how to avoid it…” using this dross

  • Techie

    For those who are puzzled by the phrase: “MONOPOLY of radiation healing”, here is the abridged version: Early on, in the early 50s Hubbard observed that consumption of niacin makes the skin flush. In the 50s all kinds of wild speculations were going around about vitamins. The true causes of deficiency diseases like scurvy, kwashiorkor, rickets and the like were a recent discovery. So Hubbard, very impressed as we all were with the threat of nuclear annihilation, got caught up in the craze. He “invented” something called Dianazene and went around claiming it could handle radiation sickness. Read all about it in the book “All About Radiation” except oops you can’t, somehow it is not in the Basics and not sold by Scientology anymore. Anyway, Dianazene is mostly niacin, just like the earlier “GUK” formula. Why did Hubbard think it solves radiation sickness? You have to go back to the basic concept of Dianetics. In auditing you are supposed to recall or “re-experience” traumatic moments. During the process, attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains that were part of the original traumatic moment will re-appear. Auditing a broken arm, years later, suddenly you feel a pain in your arm. They call this “running out” the pain. You “run in” (turn on) the pain or whatever by recalling the moment of pain. You “run out” or relieve the pain by continuing to remember the moment until it no longer affects you. So, when Hubbard saw that your skin turns red when you take niacin, did he think: “Better look this up and learn about capillaries and the effects of niacin..”? Nope. Did he think “Here is a phenomenon that I don’t understand.”? Nope. He immediately just knew that the red skin was sunburn or radiation “running out”. Quite an irrational leap of faith but we are talking about Hubbard here. The same guy that thought you could give someone a toothache by reminding him of his prior lifetime as a clam. So now we have the idea that niacin can “run out” or cure radiation damage, sunburn, you name it. The sauna also turns your skin red, maybe that is in the mix too. Complete bollocks but he came to London and did a whole lecture series on it, the 1957 London Congress on Nuclear Radiation, Control and Health. While the book compiled from this congress is no longer available, you can buy the actual lectures for a mere $175 in most major languages. To be fair the congress is not exclusively about niacin, some of it is about various other woo-woo procedures he thought could handle radiation sickness. For his whole life he never backed down from this ridiculous logic. When the Purification Rundown came out he said it “proofs one up” against radiation and that Scientologists who have done Purification would be more likely to survive a nuclear exchange. All because of the “niacin flush”. But it gets even stupider. In the 50s there was a confusion between the words “nicotonic acid” (niacin) and nicotine, the active component in cigarette smoke. Some even said that you could absorb niacin by smoking. This is why Hubbard said that smoking could cure cancer, and that the main reason for cancer was not enough smoking. Who knows, maybe Hubbard was getting red in the face from so much smoking and decided he was “running out” a sunburn or something. So it is that niacin became part of the Purification Rundown. You take enough to get a red skin, then when the effect starts to fade you take more until you are taking 5,000 mg a day with no reaction. Why 5,000, not 10,000 or 3,000? Not explained. Would it be less for children? Also not something Hubbard thought about. This is a practice that is not based on any actual study. It has been “tested” by getting lots of people to try it. The criterion for success of the test is that the person is willing to say they benefited. I was in one of the original pilots. There was no “group of participants taking 3,000 mg” and “other group taking no niacin”. There were none of the controls and safeguards that would go with even the most cowboy style “clinical test”. There were just a bunch of people trying it and a bunch saying it was great. Since the only way to get out of doing it forever was to say it was great, I don’t think the “Success Stories” prove anything. But that is why Hubbard thought he was the only one who could “solve radiation”. From the chance conflation of the niacin flush with radiation burns.

    • stanrogers

      Just like homeopathy, but with more woo. By that logic, the best cure for a gunshot wound is being shot again.

      • LongtimeLurker

        brb

      • Are_sics

        … with a highly diluted bullet

        • Draco

          At least 99.9% water. The .1% is just the memory of a bullet.

          • What I never understood is, if Homoeopathy works why doesn’t spring or river water (which has just had just about everything dissolved in it) contain a cure for every ill?

        • what gets me is homeopathic pills…

    • Baby
      • GARRY PAGE

        As LRH says
        ‘Not enough smoking will cause lung cancer’.

        • Baby

          Yep and that’s why I have LRH as a baby smoking.. Garry.. ; D

    • sizzle8

      Love your posts Techie! You know so much back story.
      Could you make them available somewhere? Hate to see them disappear into the ether.

  • Jon S

    Best way to spend Sunday: listen to Chris Shelton on the YouTube while reading the Bunker on the laptop. Double the fun.

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    I think next that Scientology should open a National Affairs Office within earshot of the bells of St Mary le Bow church in London. Then they could translate the Way to Happiness booklet into Cockney.

    “Do Not Murder” Lor’ luv a duck! do not murder. Know what I mean?

    “Don’t do anything illegal” Gawdon Bennet! Don’t Do nuffin Illegal. OK?

    • Graham

      Ey up lad “Don’t do owt” is Yorkshire. Cockney would be more like “Don’t do nuffin”.

      And it wouldn’t be Cockney without a bit of Cockney rhyming slang. “Did you know? If you’re a Scientologist and you have a J Arthur, then you after confess it and hand over a monkey. Strewth, even a swift Jodrell’s likely ta cost yer a pony, and then some”.

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        My cockney translation skills are way too rusty. If you can give me the proper translation on the ones I posted I’ll change them up.

        • Graham

          All’s fine apart from the segue into Yorkshire.

          Try “Gawdon Bennet! Don’t Do nuffin Illegal. Know what I mean mate?”

      • Would that be Jodrell bank?

        • Graham

          Yes indeed. When built it was the world’s largest fully dirigible radio telescope. But to a cockney it’s just something which rhymes with wank. What is the world coming to?

          • Quite – it’s full of merchant bankers…

  • Baby

    Thank you Rod! We appreciate you.. You are a Great Stand in for Tony! f5

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  • Mockingbird

    So Marty Rathbun has decided to use ad hominem, propaganda by redefinition of the term cult and Hubbard’s beloved method of getting all your enemies in one broad category.

    Marty Rathbun doesn’t address the points in the critical analysis of how Chris Shelton uses critical thinking skills and how Marty Rathbun doesn’t. He never deals with facts just insults.

    Can Marty Rathbun ever write without using ad hominem ? History says nope.

    • kemist

      Marty is trying to sell the only thing he’s been taught to sell by Hubbard’s dreck : a mystery sandwich.

      Problem is, mystery sandwiches are perishable, and his smells very moldy.

      • Mockingbird

        What mystery is left ? How the guy that writes in the same weak fallacies as Hubbard is pissed that people are looking at the fallacies for what they are ?

        Marty Rathbun uses as hominem and the genetic fallacy. He tries to paint all his critics as cult members.

        Got anything else ?

        • kemist

          Exactly. Mystery has evaporated.

          Sandwich has gone bad and tastes like shit.

          Customers have complained.

          What you’re witnessing is Marty trying to divert attention from the fact that what he’s sold them was bullshit.

          • Mockingbird

            But he can not address that and call other people hypocrites and dummies !

      • Mockingbird

        Like Pimento Loaf and tuna that was left in the sun for a month, with Mayo ?

    • the effervescent mongoloid

      This will account for his anger. When you have logic on your side you can let the logic do all the fighting and heavy lifting while you sit back whistling a happy tune.

      • Mockingbird

        He is mad, real mad.

    • LongtimeLurker

      So has Monty done a second Chris Shelton rage spaz out gibberish explosion post?

      Wow, he really got to you didn’t he, Manky?

      • No – he’s set up a linguistic heads-I-win-tails-you-lose challenge that is best completely ignored – not least because we don’t want to be responsible for feeding what appears to be growing paranioa.

        • Graham

          We either ignore it or it we’ll all end up in some kind of mass debate.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Please let’s f**king ignore it.

            He’s beneath the notice of everyone here, even the small number of people I have no time for.

          • Marty’s a spent force . His blog is either being written by someone else, or he starting to lose it. There’s little point in winding him up up even tighter unless he actually says anything of consequence. “Above all do no harm”?

        • LongtimeLurker
      • Mockingbird

        He did a post using insults against the intelligence of everyone that doesn’t agree with him.

        • LongtimeLurker

          So 7.5 billion people (minus 4) are dumber than him?

          Wow. He’s awesome.

          • Mockingbird

            Uh…

    • Qbird
      • Mockingbird

        Catnap ?

        • Qbird

          Oh my dear Mockingbird, MR stuff just wipes me out, man.
          I guess I just don’t care enough — I’m shallow like that.

          • Mockingbird

            You are probably in the majority.

            • Qbird

              apparently not.

  • What’sup

    Take a stand Marty.

    The witness stand.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Difficult to determine which colour (pink or grey) to use in what amount as a stimulant:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma7Xxy_7kF0

  • Baby

    ” This poll is going to be a test of their attention span, self-discipline, and motor-skills faculties. That is, they can weigh in with one word, either “cave” which means stfu (and every other unkind thought they feel compelled to hurl my way) or they can say “stand” which means “go ahead and express yourself.” You must go by your regular cyber cult handle.” Marty Rathbun
    ………………………………………

    I’m NOT playin by your rules Marty. Oh wow..so you will ALLOW me to post on your blog if I use one word.. Gee Thanks. I’ll Pass..

    Just so you know.. OSA..DM..Marty..Alanzo.. etc. it’s still not working. Critics will bicker until the end of time. That’s why we are called Critics DUH.. ?

    But We’re NOT backing down. We are NOT going away.. Scientology still sux. It leads to financial ruin.. mind control.. disconnection ..abuse etc.

    I will NOT believe you have been blackmailed until I see the email Marty.. DOX OR STFU.. Baby a committed BunkerRue f5

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    • TonyOrtega

      How about just ignoring him?

      • Baby

        Jeeze.. don’t you ever take a day off Dad.

        • Mymy88

          Like a quick summer storm out of the clear blue sky… blam! A lightening bolt out of nowhere. I think your dad was being mean, even though I bet he said that in all affection (well his way of affection). This one is for your dad (F5)! I’m not afraid of him or anybody else at all. Personally, (and I’m just speaking for myself because I’m me and you’re you) if he doesn’t like something I say, I could care less. It’s a free country. If he doesn’t want to hear it. Fine with me. A ban is always welcome! It’s a free internet also. So there! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/62c216452a63b688218a10a902cd9e8df657481112d63d32c91dcdb3fa503ee3.jpg

          • Baby

            hahahha.. I think Tony forgets I’m a very OLD FRAIL WOMAN.

            • Mymy88

              I can’t say anything else. I’ve said everything I needed to say. I’m moving on to the next thread and I’m taking my stink eye (not for you Smoking Baby) with me.

            • Kestrel

              You are not old and you are definitely not frail, woman.

            • Baby

              Eh? Speak up son..

            • Kestrel

              Eh? Seat up hon? Am I married again?

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Nice try Baby. 🙂

            • Baby

              xo .. trust me today I feel like I’m 105 … Night Pookes .. love seeing you..and I always tell you that..xo f5

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/664a32d64e0ce8b29b8ab5db5e351d2ee24775f8eea7b0f19e573df1b87cb77e.gif

          • LongtimeLurker

            It was worded as a suggestion.

            • Mymy88

              Oh shut up! I KNOW THAT. Anyway, you knew what I meant, in my strong but humble opinion! I’m not saying anything else about this.

            • Mymy88

              Also, I KNEW his comment to Baby didn’t have ANYTHING to do with banning. Did I say that I thought it did have something or anything to do with banning? NO.

              Did I say I thought he was doing anything other than making a suggestion? NO.

              Have I EVER said I didn’t agree with the reason TO banned anybody? NO. I try to mind my own business and not judge people.

              I did not appreciate the way you were inferring (imo) that I was NOT smart enough to understand what he said was a suggestion.

              The point of my post was, and I think you knew this but just wanted to be whatever… but the point of my post was to let anybody and everybody know, I’m not afraid of speaking my opinion here, just because TO might ban me or say something rude to me.

              YOU seem to be the one that made such a connection to my sentiment since you felt the need to advise me he was “suggesting” versus what? Commanding?

              Where in my post did I say anything about I took his comment to be a command or whatever?

              You have pissed me off and upset me because I have always liked you very much and you have given me so much laughter and not only that, you stood up for me in the past when I was a newbie and didn’t really understand the dynamics here that much.

              I’ll probably get over it though. I have flares like these sometimes. I’ll cool off eventually. I think you owe me an apology. And if you don’t agree, I’d like to know why (oh and that’s not a command, it’s just an expressed wish).

            • LongtimeLurker

              First, I’m sorry you feel that someone you used to like is picking on you. That sucks.

              But, if I seemed nice in the past and have stood up for you, why would I suddenly turn on you?

              I think this is a communication issue.

              I thought your original comment *possibly* read as if you were concerned that Tony was being harsh with Baby.

              And I guess that was the point I was trying to address. But I may have been too brief and flippant.

              I didn’t think that you’re too stupid to realise it was just a suggestion. I just thought it looked like you had possibly made some assumptions (which isn’t an insult, we all do it) and it was worth a reminder that his statement was a pretty casual, throw-away comment, phrased as a suggestion.

              You say the point of your post was to let everybody know you’re not afraid to speak your mind, even in the face of a ban or rudeness.

              I get that.

              But that’s exactly why I replied. I think that’s a laudable attitude, but once again, given the casualness of Tony’s remark, your statement seemed like a surprisingly strong reaction (imho). Which is why I thought it was worth a reminder that Tony’s comment was worded as a suggestion.

              So yes, I guess you could say that I was “advising you he was “suggesting” versus commanding”.

              Because it seems like you’d possibly lost sight of that.

              But that’s not intended as an insult, everyone can lose sight of things in a comment thread, or make assumptions, or misstate themselves. I do it all the time.

              I think part of the issue here is how short my comment was.

              I could have written “Well, he was just making a suggestion. He can be a lot harsher, and I think it’s possible he thinks Baby is dwelling on it and she’d be better off not” etc etc.

              And that might have hurt you less than what I did actually write? I’m sorry for not taking more time to expand on my comment.

              I feel like there’s probably a good way to end this reply, but I don’t know what it is.

            • Mymy88

              Yeah, I’ve seen plenty of TO’s “causal” comments. If those comments are so “casual” then why have I seen people reply back to him and say things like he is in a bad mood and joke about it or something to that effect, but I personally don’t think it is funny. I think it’s rude.

              Look, I don’t have anything against Tony other than to say in my opinion he seems rude sometimes in the way he replies to people on his blog. Otherwise, I think his contributions over the years have been an integral and monumentally important part of shedding the light on the the absurdly huge amount of abuses that scientology commits.

              I’ve have seen a few instances where people bitch back to him when he makes one of his more edgy comments, but usually people just make light of it, and that’s fine, but I’m not going to make light of it when it comes to Baby because she deserves more respect than that in my book.

            • pluvo

              “How about just ignoring him?”

              A short and appropriate answer, IMO. I agree with it. Why play his game and take the bait? I think also that the excessive analyzing of him is counter-productive, grist to his mill, is just not right and can get quite assumptions and has reached a ridiculous level. This is not pointed at Baby but at the general trend.

            • Mymy88

              I think what’s going over there is ridiculous too and gave up on analyzing him too. I did it for a little while (inside my own head). I have not posted anything about him here in a long time. For God’s sake, the last time I posted about “he who shall not be named” and put a quote from “My Scientology Movie” about something he had said, someone that was an ex-scientologist sounded like what I said made her suicidal. Yeah, THAT was scary. And I was not the only one that was scared.

              That’s my point. Sometimes you don’t think anybody is going to get upset about how you say something or what you say, but they can. So why be rude if you can help it?

              When that happened to me about the person that got really upset, I learned my lesson to keep my mouth shut about anything to do with that craziness going on over there. I think I did comment here that it’s so ridiculous what’s going on over there that it’s hard to believe it’s not someone trolling and and another post saying something that Tory said about it. If I said anything else I don’t remember but I really don’t think I did.

      • Baby

        I will take it over to the Nattering blog.. sigh..

        • lol

        • Qbird

          good idea.

        • Cedilla

          Oops. Too much Wrathburn.

          • iampissed

            I hear Prilosec will take care of that.

            • Cedilla

              Ha

            • Cedilla

              Prilosec check.

            • iampissed

              Prilosec Tech

          • Baby

            hahahha..Sup Ced? Miss you..

      • LongtimeLurker

        Burn! Boy I’m glad I don’t bitch about Marty all the…

        …oh…

      • iampissed

        Who

      • You are making so much sense right now. I need to write this down 🙂

        • iampissed

          Yea post it note on monitor.

        • Cedilla

          “How about just ignoring him?”

          Liberated posted something like that a couple months ago and many jumped all over her
          I didn’t up vote on her comment and I should have.
          Yours truly, A. Chicken

          Remember what your comment was, Nat? I do.

          • No.

            • Cedilla

              To the tune of you can’t keep someone from making a comment if they want.

            • Which is also true.

      • Juicer77

        If one wants to drive him absolutely batsh*t, that will do it. XD

        • kemist

          Oh yeah.

          We should do that just to see what level of batshit insanity his posts can reach.

          I don’t know why, I’m curious.

          • Juicer77

            I was hoping he’d just tire himself out and fall asleep in the car on the way home.

      • MarcabExpat
      • FredEX2

        Him who? 🙊🙉🙈

      • Mymy88

        Mr. Ortega, I think you could have and I wish you would have, expressed your thought more diplomatically and/or even more respectfully, even though I don’t think Smoking Baby took offense at all. If you want “him” to be ignored, that’s completely fine with me. I rarely bring him up here or anywhere else. I happen to agree with you about that except sometimes I just can’t help it. I’m not complaining about your opinion, I’m complaining about the way you expressed it to Smoking Baby.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Baby and Tony are good friends. I really don’t think this will have offended her 🙂

          • Mymy88

            I know that but I still don’t like it. Not everybody knows they are good friends.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yes, please.

    • Graham

      “they can weigh in with one word, either “cave” which means stfu”

      No Marty, as a faux intellectual I’m sure you know that ‘cave’ is the Latin for ‘beware’ or ‘watch out’. Watch out Marty, your paranoia is showing.

      • Baby

        SSSSSSHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh Graham you will get me in trouble again!

    • He is obnoxious though — ain’t he?

    • Mockingbird

      The test is obey or labeled dumb by Marty Rathbun.

    • kemist

      Why wrestle with a pig you get all dirty and the pig likes it.

      … but it’s kind of entertaining, too.

      Just wear appropriate clothes – don’t let the dirt touch you.

      Take a step back from Marty’s behavior and analyze it. You’ll see it for what it is : meaningless posturing and childish tantrums. What he says is not important, it’s what’s behind it, and that’s both hilarious and sad.

    • Bob Crouch

      Oh no, it’s your damn fault that I just found out that Marty Mark has released yet another heap of funky bunch! OK, just kidding. I’m sure I would have found out eventually anyway 😉

      Regardless, his little experiment will not go very far anyway. Because it’s based on a false premise. And imagine my shock that said false premise is based on Marty possessing a highly over-developed sense of the magnitude of his place in the scheme of things.

      He claims: “I have attracted scores of ASC trolls in the past couple of months, and discussion of my posts have dominated ASC comment-message threads.”

      Really! A more realistic assessment would be: “I have taken anyone challenging me, censored their post and assigned them to a grand monolithic ASC conspiracy. And of course, they are trolls. The dared to disagree with the grand pontificator–criminals that they are! In their place, I have surrounded myself with a handful of mindless sycophants–people as misled and fanatical as ANY squirrel buster–who are obediently dancing the Marty circle dance (I know, a less charitable expression involving “circle” would probably be more accurate!)”

      So, back to ignoring the guy–other than said sycophants talking to themselves, mostly everyone else does…

  • ScnMonkeyNuts

    After being nasty about Tom Cruise earlier… monkey has now decided to be nasty about the nearly right Irish building (why not just throw money at the owners of the correct building. Idiots.) Particularly the ghostly front door shot… because nothing says ‘religious’ like…F5/Refresh https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4c8380e9d7ab3bb4c0965a614fd7ff4868b56b049a90c731074128dfb05b17e.jpg

  • Jimmy3

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY NAT
    not to rush but let’s hurry up and eat this before Madeline’s parents realize i stole her cake

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5eb04a1bee73a8ce71d927aa0263320b10d6f08b3c55e1feb183001a4a5e8037.jpg

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    Marty, stop reading The Bunker man.

    Truly.

  • Juicer77

    Happy Birthday, Natleficent! But I will not let you win Fantasy Football this week. Jus’ sayin’. 😉

    • I’m closing in! And Drew Brees is my cleaner on Monday — not worried XD

      • Jimmy3

        Drew FeBrees

      • Vaquera

        Happy birthday, shoop mama!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Happy birthday, beautiful Nat! According to Facebook Nat is 99 years old. She must keep her portrait in the attic 🙂

        • DoveAlexa

          High five for epic literary reference!

      • MrsLurksALot

        Happy, happy birthday, Nat. Hope your day is filled with laughter.

  • ExCult.Jan
    • Observer

      Gee, he’s descended from people who actually did something, while he makes a living pretending to be other people and thinks he’s on the fast track to godhood.

      • kemist

        But.. But…

        His job is harder than that of soldiers serving in Afghanistan.

        … and he does his own stunts.

        • Observer

          Thank Xenu those soldiers in Afghanistan have stunt doubles so they don’t have to!

    • Graham

      It will be interesting to see if they manage to drag Cruise into this farce. He managed to avoid the SMP opening. Surely he’ll put in appearance here in his ancestral home? Or is he totally distancing himself from the train-wreck that is $cientology?

      • Juicer77

        He’ll probably attend the IAS thing and that will make Mismanage happy. Gotta keep those whales star-struck.

  • Mockingbird

    Marty Rathbun absolutely loves to use tu quoque. The appeal to hypocrisy. It is a kind of red herring. It’s saying someone cannot make a claim because they contradict it.

    If a scientist says increasing pollution will make the environment less inhabitable for humans his claim warrants examination and critical analysis.

    If an opponent says “you drive a car, that makes pollution !” They may feel smug, but they have not addressed his claim. A car driving polluter can tell the truth.

    So it functions as incredibly poor reason for Marty Rathbun or anyone else to attack the attacker. It’s actually a habit of malignant narcissists like Ron Hubbard.

    It dismisses criticism based on feelings, not facts. It’s the habit of a petulant and belligerent mind. It’s the habit of the deeply flawed and emotionally atrophied vulnerable narcissist.

    So when Marty Rathbun goes on and on and says people are hypocrites and “pot meet kettle” and he feels so smug, remember he is just fishing for herring.

    He doesn’t use detailed critical analysis of details. He doesn’t compare people point by point for traits, he doesn’t use good examples and clear definitionsfor terms, and he doesn’t face claims against himself or Scientology or his master David Miscavige head on.

    Just insults, “you are bad too !” and fallacies. He knows he has lost everyone that would dare to look at him through a skeptical or critical lens so he doesn’t even try anymore.

    • iampissed

      Who

      • LongtimeLurker

        I see what ur doin. I approves.

        • iampissed

          And I’ve decided that is exactly what I going to do!

      • Mockingbird

        Wow. He made a lasting impression.

    • Juicer77

      Who?

      • Graham

        Monty Rayburn or summat. I don’t know.

      • Mockingbird

        That is the most infuriating thing people can do – ignore him.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Girl’s got no shame, walkin’ around with her quoque hangin’ out.

      • Mockingbird

        Like on Jerry Springer ?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Speaking of quoque, this was placed in Trafalgar Square a few years back, and is the biggest cock I have ever seen (F5): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c18182bab98072ed0873d27711f6c681238688a805a2452c3bc5e70337dab2d.jpg

      • Mockingbird

        Um…okay…that is a little different…

      • Draco

        Makes a nice change from blue balls ;P

      • Mockingbird

        Odd, if I Google biggest cock ever some other images appear.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I try to see every new sculpture on the fourth plinth if I can. The blue cockerel was mum’s favourite, the ship in a bottle was mine 🙂

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Thank you. Good analysis. Insults, flaming against a person using false personal histories and confidential information is an intense form of ad hominem attacks, and it is used when the accuser has nothing else to offer.

      • Mockingbird

        Bingo. Marty Rathbun can only attack the attacker. He can’t stand on his own two feet so he tries to stand on his critics throats. He tries to undermine their credibility. But if he uses fallacies and insults my credibility is irrelevant. I can refer people to longstanding definitions on fallacies, critical thinking, rhetoric and propaganda techniques and anyone can do their own critical analysis of Marty Rathbun and the methods he uses.

  • Observer
    • Baby

      I am so jealous.. absolutely gorgeous Obs.. beautiful shots..

    • Juicer77

      Morning glories 🙂

    • LHS (Nasty Woman)

      It sounds so simplistic to say, “Go outside and look at nature if you want to feel better.” But I was desperate to improve my mood a few days ago and I found out this was really good advice. Spending time on the Kingston waterfront is very calming, and at this time of year there are still plenty of flowers to look at.

      • Observer

        Nature heals. Don’t know how, but it does.

    • Sarcasmo

      Big fan of bokeh.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    I’m gonna go watch the MacGyver reboot.

    It’s almost guaranteed to be awful.

    I don’t even like the original.

    See you all soon.

    • Juicer77

      Don’t dis the original! That was some clean family TV, goldarnit! PS How quick did George Eads go from hunky to older-but-wiser mentor? Yikes.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Sorry. I’m sure it had its place.

        I can’t even remember what I watching at the time.

        • Juicer77

          I’m tugging on your shamrock. 😉 Get some rest!

          • LongtimeLurker

            xoxo

            • Juicer77

              Back atcha, babycakes.

        • TheLurkingHorror

          Anything but MacGyver? 🙂

          Sorry, couldn’t help it. I’ve never seen MacGyver, so I don’t know if it was any good or not, but I do know it had quite a following.

  • Juicer77

    The National Affairs Offices are a farce. If $camatology is truly interested in safepointing higher-ups in government, they are not going to succeed by creating a physical location for it. The old tactics of front groups and smarmy sucking up were more effective. But I won’t complain if it becomes much easier to spot their efforts. At this point only the most ignorant or desperate of politicos would welcome association with the Co$. Shame on you, mayors of Ireland cities! You’ve been used, but good.

  • rom661

    The Truth about Drugs meme is just incredibly stupid. I mean stupid beyond description. SMH

    • ExCult.Jan

      The writer and editor both missed the pesky error that undoes the entire meme.
      There. Fixed it for them.

      The “Truth* ” about Drugs

      *according to $cientology

  • iampissed

    I will defend your right to comment…if you will defend my right to say
    Who!

  • TC’s puffy face is serving as early inspiration for seasonal gifs XD
    https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sq6sH1FkqNEYU4E/giphy.gif

    • Juicer77

      LOL and Gah!!

  • nottrue
  • Cara

    lol how are you guys allowed to make fun of Tom’s weight and face, but not Kirstie Alley’s weight? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/107c4a4462515d4a28b3ddd5d1dd3fbc4f1189da1ace5720f7da5494c879678c.gif

    • Juicer77

      He has mangled his face with some sort of “improvements” that have nothing to do with recovery from injury or disfigurement. I consider that that in a different category than fighting a weight issue. Just my two cents.

      • Also, it’s just a joke XD

      • Cara

        Fair enough.

    • LongtimeLurker

      “You guys” ?
      “Allowed” ?
      “lol” ?

      But yeah. Cool story!

    • Jon S

      fair point. well made.

    • You want me to be banned like Media Lush for a gif of TC? Well, you go ahead and campaign for that. I’d be honored to be kicked out for mocking some sanctimonious ignorant spoiled brat millionaire over something that is so absurd (and not actually a problem he has).

      • Cara

        You are taking this way personal. Half of the comments here are about Tom’s face, and weight. I am not targeting you at all. Just curious why Kirstie Alley was off limits. Chill

      • Mooser42001

        “You want me to be banned like Media Lush for a gif of TC?”

        That happened? I always, to be frank, thought his taste was not beyond question. But I’m pretty much a fuddy-duddy.

        • Robert Eckert

          It was not just that his Kirstie shoop was hideous to look at and beyond his usual rudeness but that he started drunk-posting abusively at everyone who didn’t like it, and in view of a long history, Tony just had enough that night.

        • He was. For shooping Kirstie Alley unnattractively one too many times

    • Mrs. V.

      There is nothing quiet about your judgment.

    • kemist

      I don’t know, perhaps because Kirstie Alley is a pretty low hanging target ?

      She also gets mocked pretty harshly too at times, especially about the stuff she tweets.

    • Chee Chalker

      I’ll give Kirstie some credit…..I don’t think she has had any work done. Or if she has, she had a much better doctor than Tom.
      There’s the difference…..why does Big Being #3 need to use fillers?

  • nottrue
    • ha ha! you can always count on OSA

  • sizzle8

    Sounds like under Davey’s Golden Age of Admin, the Scn org board consists of DM – OSA – Whales – Slaves and Sheep.
    Nothing else. Standard Admin!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hahaha…there’s also a huge branch that arrows off to the side from DM/OSA to a “Criminal $cn Law Firms” category heading. Under that heading, you have, PI’s, hired thugs, criminal hackers, bribe/hush money couriers and quite a few other duties that the cult farms out to their high-dollar criminal attorneys in order to create cut-outs (just like the mafia) and enable plausible deniability.

  • Kay

    I just finished watching the documentary “We are legion” about Anonymous. ( Its on Netflix) There is a fascinating section about the attack on CoS that’s worth watching. It starts at 28 minutes in if you want to just watch just the Scientology part. It’s worth watching IMO, There was stuff that happened that I hadn’t heard about. Enjoy.

    • Rasha

      Just watched that the day before yesterday. Good overall story and history, too. I like how it describes the way that global communication has enabled social change. I would have like to see more on Scientology’s reaction to Anonymous (Deer in Headlight Tech), but it did summarize the effect in Egypt pretty well.

      • Kay

        I agree…the historical framework was fascinating …that ridiculous war over Tom Cruises video ends up inadvertently changing Anonymous’s nature from prankters to activists so that they go on to affecting global politics in Tunisia and Egypt? Amazing.