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Scientology’s 2015 in review: Our July travels, and the day care story we can’t forget

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We want to thank everyone who’s been sending us warm holiday wishes. We apologize that we’ve been slow to respond to messages. Like everyone else, we have a lot going on in our subterranean lair during these final days of the year. But in the meantime, we continue to look back at the stories that made this such an exceptional year. In this post, we’re looking at the stories of July.

We started out the month with a question. We know that Marty Rathbun has said that L. Ron Hubbard never wrote any “OT” levels above OT 8, which is the highest that Scientologists can currently achieve. (At an incredible price. Marc Headley estimated that it costs between $500,000 and $2 million to become an OT 8, considering all of the course prices, accommodation costs, and donations that a typical member pays.) Hubbard claimed that the “Bridge” would go up to OT 15, eventually. But even if he never wrote anything above OT 8, what, we wondered, would actually stop Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige, from inventing OT 9 and OT 10?

Those two levels are supposed to be released together, and more and more we’d seen rumors and hints from inside the church that Miscavige was preparing to release them. (And since then, he’s made the actual announcement.) In July, we asked Claire Headley for her thoughts. She agreed with us that nothing is stopping Miscavige from releasing his own versions of OT 9 & 10. And charging huge amounts for them, of course.

The next day, we decided we couldn’t let well enough alone and expressed our doubts over Sun magazine’s announcement (yet again) that Tom Cruise was leaving Scientology. We pointed out that the magazine had not a shred of evidence that it was true, but we knew our efforts were mostly pointless. Many other outlets, even some semi-legitimate, took the Sun announcement as gospel. Well, at least our readers had some chance of remaining more skeptical.

On July 5, David Miscavige was in BogotΓ‘ to open Colombia’s Ideal Org. We were fortunate to have a correspondent on the scene who did his best to get us photographs and live updates while being intimidated and harassed by Scientology’s operatives.

Three days later, we published a story we’ve been hoping to tell for a long time. It was about the horrific experience of a Scientologist mother who learned that the church was actively covering up a terrible crime — the molestation of children who had been cared for at a Scientologist day care. We hope some day to reveal who the players in this saga were. For now, we managed to tell a story that we never expect other media to attempt.

The next day, we provided the first full telling of Brian Sheen’s story, including his extensive background in Scientology and his daughter’s forced disconnection from him. Expect to hear a lot more from Mr. Sheen in the new year.

On July 14, Mark Bunker made a visit to Scientology’s new Potemkin Village in Clearwater, and he sent us his impressions of the storefronts, one of which is in the space where the Lisa McPherson Trust had been.

Our book tour resumed in July, with stops in Washington DC and at the Mark Twain House in Hartford, Connecticut. Then we headed west for a stop in Denver. What great fun it was to hang out with the Headleys, be introduced by Chris Shelton, and have a drink with Kim O’Brien and Chocolate Velvet.

We then flew down to Dallas and spent some time with Steve Hall, who told us a great story about David Miscavige’s speechwriter, the bemulleted Dan Sherman. Our rental car also took us to stops in Houston, San Antonio, and Austin before flying home and then, the next day, on to Paris to see Jonny Jacobsen. What a month for the tour!

 
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While we were on the road, we relied on the help of our correspondents, and Aaron Smith-Levin really came through. He interviewed fellow former church member Nick Lister as part of their “Growing up in Scientology” series. Nick revealed that Tom Cruise had put ethics ruthlessly on his own family, banishing a teenage niece for committing the “crime” of kissing a boy. What a tool.

On July 24, another person who had grown up in Scientology, Derek Bloch, gave us a piece that ruffled some feathers. Piecing together the wacky information in numerous L. Ron Hubbard lectures and books, Derek put together an overview of Scientology’s cosmology. It was ludicrous, as you could imagine. And we heard from some former Scientologists who didn’t appreciate it. Well, blame Hubbard.

And a few days later, we turned once again to the subject of Scientology’s bizarre underground vaults, where they store Hubbard’s writings and lectures to survive a nuclear holocaust. Scientology had published a new piece about the vaults, giving us some new looks at what’s in them. Also, our own Observer had visited another of the Church of Spiritual Technology sites: Creston Ranch, where L. Ron Hubbard left this planet for Target Two.

A LOOK BACK AT JULY 2014: Our Independence Day special, when Jeremy Powers defied disconnection and came home. We said goodbye to John Joseph, a man who cared. Camilla Andersson went public after 29 years in Scientology. And we live-blogged ID network’s show on Elli Perkins (which featured your proprietor).

A LOOK BACK AT JULY 2013: Leah Remini defects, Shelly Miscavige speaks, Jim Lynch exteriorizes, and Christian Stolte rocks.

 
BEST OF 2015: Our personal picks for stories we’re most glad we got to write this year:

January: Being on the scene to write about the Going Clear Sundance premiere
February: A shocking tale of Scientology mistreatment of the mentally ill in Tennessee and Arkansas
March: Sylvia DeWall is declared and faces the loss of her family, and we get to hear it on audio
April: We dig up the true story of Tom Cruise and Mimi Rogers
May: Paulette Cooper appears in Hollywood two blocks from Big Blue
June: Scientology illegally hacks Mike Rinder and your proprietor with a PI who takes the fall
July: Scientology’s little day care of horrors

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 27, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    I’m still not finished with Chris’s book – so don’t tell me who dunnit!

    • Psst!! Colonel Mustard in the Living Room but I won’t give away with what! πŸ˜‰

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        D’oh! I told you not to!

        • Sorry!!! At least I didn’t tell you about the plot twist when you discover that when Agent Boyles goes undercover to infiltrate a gang he finds his own son is a member of high ranking in it!!

    • Juicer77

      I did it! I ate all the fruzen gladje! I killed that fat bar keep!! XD

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        “Hey, Moon. How was you killing spree?”

        ‘Beatniks’ – Love that one XD

  • seriouslyWTF

    There was a post awhile back about a young lady still in college that went to visit her scientolologist father in Clearwater and ended up joining the sea org. Her mother had reached out for help. Does anyone know if there are updates for that case?
    Edited. Stupid spell check

  • Missionary Kid

    Don’t forget to click on the heart that’s just under the number of comments.

  • PickAnotherID

    It’s been a wild year and an “interesting” one, in the sense of the Chinese curse, for $cientology. May they have more of the same in 2016. And with elections coming up next year, we’ll have to keep a sharp eye out for any $cientology chicanery.

    • Margie8

      Do they lean right or left… Officially?

      • Draco

        They straddle the middle, so that the can jump either way as needed!
        (Kidding…I have no idea, but I would imagine they lean to the right)

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I would imagine that religions and charities have to remain independent from politics, officially. Perhaps someone can confirm. Having said that, am I right in thinking that Scientology has courted more Right-leaning politicians than Left? I thought I read that somewhere but my sleepy head won’t let me remember where.

        • Peter

          I would suspect they court any pol who can be of value, damn which side of the aisle they might live on.

      • PickAnotherID

        Officially they don’t lean either way, they just bend over…

  • what’sup

    Wish you were here.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      So do I. F5 for view from my window. First proper snow of the season – it will be gone again in a few days, as the forecast says warmer weather.

      • what’sup

        Thanks Tank, just seeing that has cooled me off a little.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Is that Faxe I see on your table? Danish beer..?

          • what’sup

            You bet. Good stuff!

      • That’s really pretty!! It’s December 27th in NE Ohio and we’re having a THUNDERSTORM!!! o_O It’s rained all night long too and it’s around 60F out! Oh, wait, it’s suppose to get to 24F tonight. Weird weird weather!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I don’t mind weird, as long as I don’t have to shovel snow in the friggin driveway.

          • Juicer77

            I’ll send the dog over to “help.” By which he thinks we mean “bite the shovel”!

            • what’sup

              Lulz.

            • Juicer77

              He’s gotten knocked in the chops more than once. Stupid dawg.

          • Well, I guess I am somewhat grateful we don’t have snow yet, as I am STILL waiting on Eddie’s son to get over here to clean out my back gutters to try to prevent yet ANOTHER ice dam on my ‘Ideal Pantry’ since I didn’t get heated gutters this year. But it is still very weird weather.

            Good point about shoveling the driveway.

            • Juicer77

              Protect that Pantry! You just had all that work done!

            • I know!!! I had a damn ice dam LAST year and it started to drip in there—just a very faint water mark on the ceiling no damage. But I had to pay out the wazoo to have them out and put about 500#s (not joking) of calcium chloride on the roof a couple different times to break up the ice!!!

              Once Eddie’s son cleans out the gutters, I’ll have him leave the ladder up against the back porch and I’ll get a couple bags of calcium chloride. If snow starts to build up on the roof, I’ll climb the ladder and pour the stuff in the gutter so it doesn’t freeze over. I’ll also bring a bucket of it upstairs so I can toss it on the roof from a window in here that’s right above it. Damn Ideal Pantry!!!!

              I’m gonna see if the gutters can be rerouted next summer. The thought of heat tape in the gutters REALLY makes me nervous—I have extreme paranoia of electrical things. I’d be a nervous wreck if I had heat tape in the gutters, so I wanna avoid that if possible!

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              You might want to talk to an expert on insulation to see if it makes sense to better insulate the snow from the warm ceiling.

              This should give you a primer. http://homerepair.about.com/od/exteriorhomerepair/ss/Ice-Dam.htm

            • Thanks!! The problem with the back porch/pantry is that the roof is basically flat (slight downward slope) and underneath the roof it’s basically split in 2. One part is my open back porch, with obviously no insulation cuz it’s open. The second part is my pantry which FINALLY got insulation put into it when it was rebuilt 2 winters ago—it had NONE prior. They insulated it ALL: under the new floor, the walls and the ceiling too.

              Because the ALL the back of the house downspouts drain onto that mostly flat roof, and only 1/2 of it underneath is ‘inside’ (meaning the pantry and it’s warm in the house) and warm, the other 1/2 remains cold (above the back porch part) and that creates a perfect little storm for an ice dam to form. They DID put insulation under the new roof too; BUT that doesn’t help much with the porch being ‘open’. It leaves me with 2 options:

              1. Heat tape in the back of the house gutters to ensure there is zero ice/snow build up and the gutters can remain ‘open’ all winter. This would involve basically my whole house having to get rewired. $$$$

              2. Try to divert some of the downspouts from draining onto the back porch roof, though of course there’ll still, obviously, be an issue of ice/snow build up in the gutter.

              While these 2 options are considered, this winter I am doing option 3. Getting the gutters cleared of debris and stocking up on calcium chloride.

              Other houses around here have almost flat roofs too; BUT they don’t have the open back porch on 1/2 of it, so they don’t have the problem I have. How/why mine even started this in the first place I have no idea as the pantry was original and not added on later.

            • pat k

              Wish I could send my sons over- they have cleaned the gutters on four houses on our block this week. Their contributions to loving where they live. Yes traveling abroad gave them renewed purpose. Now we all know why we loved them through the difficult years. Hold that ladder for eddies son!

            • I plan on staying IN when he’s out cleaning the gutters!! He doesn’t need to really stand on the ladder, only in one spot—that’s when he has to put 1/2 the ladder on the back porch roof to reach the gutter above one of the windows in this room. I’m not getting up on that roof with my current luck and continual rib cage dysfunctions! πŸ˜€ JT’s never really needed/wanted the ladder held EXCEPT when he brings over his 30′ ladder and that’s a GIVEN it’d be held though I never feel confident holding that and round up someone to help me! This job is being done via my 16′ ladder though! πŸ™‚

            • Juicer77

              There are heat “pads” you can put on certain areas of the roof instead of in the gutters. But I hear ya. When we had our roof redone, the Ice Dam Area got a double layer of waterproofing an extra 3 feet beyond each side! We had the most lovely waterfall in our garage before that!

        • Observer

          We’re supposed to have highs in the mid-30s by the end of the week here. It’s been nice not having had to burn through half our propane already.

        • pat k

          Portland Oregon :here our first day in December without rain was the 26th. Life in the mold valley always provides pine needles & mud.

      • Juicer77

        Ah – just what I needed! Nothing but rain here. And more rain. And guess what, rain! LOL I will miss my Mid-Atlantic winters, which get more snow than we will here. πŸ™‚

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Hasn’t really been much rain here lately – however we do get lots and LOTS of rain in the summer, like in June and July. May is nice though πŸ˜‰

          • Juicer77

            Goody!

        • Margie8

          Here, here. Damn rain. All the damn time.

          • Juicer77

            I saw the sun the other day, but by the time I got outside it was gone again. Harumph.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Was that because you were “just going to check the Bunker” – and suddenly 5 hours had passed? That’s what ususally happens to me :-/

            • Peter

              We had Christmas dinner on the beach, 82 degrees. Many friends visited and a good tan was acquired. And while it’s nice to see the white xmas pics, if I never experience snow again in my life, it will be far too soon.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              We had 2 (YES, TWO) friggin days with 77F this summer, and the rest was just cold and wet >:-|

            • Peter

              I offer my condolences. πŸ™‚

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          You’re not missing much winter this winter, J. Right now, our area’s trapped in a dreary 2-week stretch of rain and fog, and temps that go from mid-70s one day to 50 the next and back again. It’s like we skipped over winter and went right to April. At least we don’t have the tornadoes to worry about.

          • Juicer77

            I heard shorts and tees were the preferred attire on Christmas Eve. Weird!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          It’s been so horribly rainy for your first English Christmas. Usually we have really cold, crisp Winters, but this year has been dreadful. One of my friends in Northern England has been flooded out of her home, and my brother (and family) are trapped in their Welsh holiday cottage in Snowdonia by a flooded bridge on the only road out! Lucky things πŸ˜€

        • gtsix

          It was 70 degrees (F) and rainy for 4 days straight. You missed nothing on this side of the pond.

      • Margie8

        Lucky!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          It’s OK when you don’t have to go outside. Didn’t have a white Xmas though :-/

      • Kim O’Brien

        are you in Colorado ? Looks like you are !

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          No, but close. Just outside Oslo in Norway.

          • Kim O’Brien

            LOL …we are the only 2 ppl here who had a white xmas πŸ˜‰ Looks beautiful

            • Allie

              Add me (in Utah) to the list of those having a white Xmas. We’ve had snowstorms
              every few days and it’s damn heavy because of the “lake effect”. Too heavy to use
              a snowblower so lots of shoveling. I left Wisc. decades ago. When I moved here, my ex
              said only snow in mts. Damn, did he lie big time. It is pretty tho.
              Edited spelling

            • Madison KinSmed

              Gotta laugh about the “left Wisc.”; We saw robins on Christmas Day. No snow other than a few flakes a few days ago. We’re sleeping with windows open ’cause it’s so warm.

              OTOH, one of my siblings went to Chile to go kayaking over Christmas and got snowed on!

            • Allie

              I know, it’s so bizarre. Talked to my family in Green Bay on Christmas
              and green grass everywhere and warm.
              Wow, kayaking in Chile–I’m so jelly (‘cept for the snow). Lucky them!

          • jazzlover

            As a tried and true hockey fan, this is currently my favorite Norwegian:

            http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/z/zuccama01.html

            If he doesn’t start scoring more goals, you might just move up into the number 1 spot πŸ˜‰

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Number 1 by default – Yay!

            • jazzlover

              LOL. What can I say? I don’t get out much πŸ˜‰

            • John P.

              These are my favorite Norwegians, along with the guys who wear them: https://www.facebook.com/NOCTP

            • jazzlover

              Well, all I can say is that I have a decidedly “American” view of what the major sports are. Sadly, most Americans don’t even consider hockey a worthwhile sport πŸ™‚ I guess it just doesn’t generate enough gambling income.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              The images were kinda small, is it possible to have your SuperModels provide some larger fresh ones?

      • chukicita

        It’s been so freakishly hot here – this looks really refreshing! I haven’t seen snow in 25 years.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          We haven’t had a good summer in 25 years. We had two days with 77F here this summer – mostly it was around 72F.

          • chukicita

            We’ve had summer for 25 years.

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            Maybe you could make your middle name ‘Good Summer’ cause is sounds like yes, you are having a Forever Autumn

          • Observer

            To me that’s perfect! If I never had to endure temps of over 75ΒΊF again I’d be ecstatic.

    • Perfect temp with low humidity!! πŸ™‚

      • what’sup

        I really wish you were here Misty.

      • Margie8

        Reading the “WA”/88Β° and being a resident of the Pacific Northwest, I was very, very confused as to 1. How the hell? 2. There’s obviously a part of Washington that I’ve missed. 3. Why am I snuggling up to my fluffy husband and shivering when paradise is oh so close? It TRUTHFULLY took me almost an entire minute before I caught on. I believe I woke up a bit too early because my brain has not yet engaged.

        • Margie8

          Oops, meant that for what’s up!

          • what’sup

            One of the things that puzzles me about America. Not only do you not use the metric system, when you do, you insist on fucking up the spelling.. I’ll take it the double T was a typo, but it’s litre, not liter.

            Just playin’

            • Metrix are hard!! πŸ˜‰

            • madame duran

              Don’t even speak of The Matrix!

            • Never saw that movie(s). Can I speak of The Reflex though?

            • what’sup

              IT’S. SO . MUCH. EASIER!

            • nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              how about a greenboard? And if it is virtual there is no scratching.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              EXACTLY! You just add or take away zeros, or move commas. Theres no 5/32 or 7/8 or 3/16 and all that stuff.

            • Well, as know from Scientology and their semicolons, such a thing as a comma in math can make things easily misunderstood. πŸ™‚

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I will agree to that – it can make a big difference. But we don’t send you to the bottom of the bridge if a mistake is made.

            • True!!! But we could be made to stay after school and do math problems on the blackboard!! πŸ˜€

            • stillgrace2

              I took a job earlier this year that requires thinking in metrics. I’m getting very comfortable with my nanometers, my microns, and my millimeters. It IS easier for some things.

            • Draco

              Much easier to multiply or divide by 10 in your head. We changed to metric money here in the early 60s, although it took much longer to change measurements etc.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              except it is all the same at -40

            • Juicer77

              It’s a liter πŸ˜‰ And we buy gas by the gallon, not petrol by the litre. And the speed limit here is in MPH. And they drive on the left. When in Rome!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              But they use kilograms and centimetres and most of the metric now, or am I mistaken?

            • Juicer77

              In England, yes. In ‘Murica we, strangely, use the English systems of inches, feet, pounds, gallons. I am switching so fast between systems I can’t keep any of it straight!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
            • “Go fuck yourself” is my level of math and basically what I think of the metric system! πŸ˜€

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You’re just jealous XD

            • Naps4All

              Yes. Jealous. Freely admitted. I showed the above passage to my daughter (college senior, chemical engineering major). She had a good laugh (has often claimed she has nightmares about conversions). So, thank you.

              P.S. Very O/T, but I hear this when I see your avi:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsxfvwuCqxo

              Hope you are having a very good day.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I’ve heard the song, but didn’t actually know it was about VvG.

              I’ve seen a lot of his paintings, and he is by far the most brilliant artist I know of. I have also been to his grave in Auvers twice, and the picture below is from this summer. It was the exact day of his passing 125 years ago. Randomly enough it was also the day Tony had his book tour in Paris, July 29.

            • Naps4All

              Thanks for sharing. I love the sunflowers there (left by visitors?). I am a VvG fan also. I have been to the Rijksmuseum and the Jeu de Paume museum (only once, way back in 1984), so I’ve seen some of his works. I still have posters of Starry Night and Almond Blossoms from college days.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              When I travel I always try to make a point of visiting museums that house his works.

              Yes, the sunflowers are left by visitors – only ivy grows on his and Theo’s grave (Theo, his brother is buried right beside Vincent). The painting ‘Wheatfield with crows’ was painted less than a hundred yards from this cemetery, and a lot of other famous paintings by him were also painted in this small village outside Paris. A magical place, if you ever have the possibility to visit.

            • Naps4All

              On the “To Do” List (pending winning of lottery). I would love to see more. Have you seen the “Vincent and the Doctor” episode of “Doctor Who”? (Minimum 2 boxes of tissues required):

              http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1591786/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Seen it a bunch of times, and yes, tissues were needed.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              yah me too. Anonymous says you can’t divide by zero degrees, but when I do it in Fahrenheit I always end up with one half of a pint which is a lot better to drink than an ice cube.

            • ze moo

              Fahrenheit is a much better way to describe the weather. I could care about liters/ounces, kilometers/miles.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              So the logic of water freezing at 0 degrees, and boiling at 100 degrees doesn’t appeal to you?

            • pluvo

              I had the same thought but restrained to comment. And … don’t tell him what is happening at 50 degrees πŸ˜‰ .

            • Robert Eckert

              It really doesn’t, because boiling temperature is so far outside our weather range, and that is the purpose we use temperatures for. In Fahrenheit the range from 0 to 100 is from bitter cold to beastly hot.

            • MM

              “In Fahrenheit the range from 0 to 100 is from bitter cold to beastly hot.”

              Ever thought of the possibility that even this ‘Fahrenheit’ thing might be just another part of our long-term plan to eventually trick you into adopting the metric system? πŸ˜€

            • 1. The train left the station at 5:45pm traveling at 35mph making 2 stops of 10 minutes each before reaching it’s final destination at 8pm. Using this information, answer the following math questions:

              How many miles were traveled?
              What was the name of the city at the second stop?
              How many suitcases were on the train?

              2. Sally is learning to knit from her mother. They are using orange and white yarn to make a scarf. It takes 12 hours total to make the scarf. Using this information, answer the following math questions:

              How many days did it take to make the scarf?
              How many skeins of yarn did they use?
              Who did they give the scarf too?

              3. The high school football team goes to the state finals. The quarterback throws 3 touchdown passes and 1 incomplete. He is tackled twice. Using this information, answer the following math questions:

              What team won the game?
              What was the final score?
              What color were the cheerleader’s pom poms?

              Extra Credit: Doreen eats an apple a day to stay healthy. Cathy eats an orange a day to stay healthy. Using this information, answer the following math questions:

              What one of them breaks their leg skiing?
              What kind of apples does Doreen like?
              What kind of oranges does Cathy like?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              35mph? What kind of crappy train is that???

            • That’s the questions on the make up quiz!! “What kind of train is it?” “Why is it going 35mph?” πŸ˜€

            • Robert Eckert

              And “Just how ugly-ass is that orange and white scarf, anyhow?”

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              I’ll get back to you once I have word cleared ‘math’ and ‘illogics’ and then figured out how a train can leave at 35 miles per hour unless it was a Venus train with infinite acceleration and could come to a stop in a little less than 70 miles…lol. Meanwhile the scarf I knitted just didn’t make it ever and I don’t like football nor eat fruit except the coconuts which fall upon my roof waking me in the middle of the night….so where is my home? Hugs Tia

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              a Gallon has 128 ounces? Frankly I think it is all a conspiracy by the Rockerfellows to confuse the Queen of England, with a Rothchild’s fractional reserve bullion. It has something to do with the dollar never weighing the same as a pound.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              But the Brittish nobilitie have been vanquished and the made a sortee long ago from Ameerica. Mostly just playin to0

            • Robert Eckert

              Our ancestors gave their lives to put the e and r in the correct order!

        • Juicer77

          XD
          Coffee, stat!

          • Margie8

            It’s 5:18am and I’m Mormon! No coffee! Having a cigarette and my first 2 litter of Coke for the day. Seriously.
            My husband said to add, MINO. Mormon In Name Only, LOL!

            • wait, what….no coffee but Coke is okay? and cigarettes? maybe that’s a joke…..

            • Margie8

              All against the Word of Wisdom. Not as big a deal with younger members but they still frown on it. Cigs and Coke are not OK either but, that’s my poison. Really, they don’t bat an eye on soda anymore I suppose. It’s all pretty stupid. I understand what the intent was but have to call bullshit on it being doctrine.

            • Of course blacks were banned until what, ’78 or ’79 and gee, they got threatened with having their tax exempt status pulled and oh look, we can welcome blacks!! I’m simplifying that and you might not be old enough to remember that.

            • Margie8

              I remember it well. That was kind of my first glimpse of, “Ut oh.” Everyone was super happy and talking at BBQs, etc. but we were hushed at church itself. We were in a fairly diverse area and had several black members in our ward which was pretty unusual. So we had a lot of “It’s about time,” comments. I know at least four families left the church over it. Like most, they were very skeptical about the sudden “Revelation from Heavenly Father.”
              So yeah, my ten years long semi-apostateness is newly rooted in some new and bullshit doctrine regarding the children of gay marriage. They had recently taken steps to try and ensure families stopped disowning their gay children. THAT was awesome as it directly affected my son’s partner. Then, just weeks ago, they come out with this crap that they won’t baptize (etc.) the children of gay marriage! Everyone was floored.
              I’m not foolish enough to believe another sudden Revelation will happen, at least anytime soon, but this was bullshit. Nothing new for me since I think the Joseph Smith story is a lie and I despise Brigham Young but I like the structure of the church, etc. Not enough to attend regularly and pay full tithe. I’ve recently started taking steps to fully pull away but it’s very hard. In 2015, I’ve only attended Easter and Christmas services and General Conference.
              Sorry for the long reply!

            • I bet they baptize ’em after they die, like they baptize everyone else!! But wait!! People can say ‘no’ during the after death mass baptisms so it’s okay!! SMH I can’t recall the Jewish group’s name, but they came to an agreement with a Jewish group to STOP baptizing Holocaust survivors after death–Anne Frank has been baptized at least 3 times—but I think I read they still do it. My neighbors who were Mormon had no idea about this, but some of the church elders who were visiting them one day DID know and whereas I make it a habit to respect people’s beliefs in their homes, I did ask them some uncomfortable questions they couldn’t answer (the church elders, not my neighbors). They kept saying “You can say ‘no'” Yet no one has! I told them it was very disrespectful of their religion to do that. It actually made my neighbors start to question things—-he was raised Mormon, she turned Mormon when they married.

              They moved to California under false promises of his parents. They didn’t know if Mormonism after his parents or they were just horrible people (I think the latter but I’m unsure why the church allowed something….). His brother was a registered sex offender, yet he was at the temple every Sunday TEACHING SUNDAY SCHOOL unsupervised!!!! He lied to his probation officer about that, as did his parents. The church knew his status. When his brother refused to let his children be in his sunday school class (they wouldn’t let their kids be around him AT ALL) THEY were kicked out of the church—the parents, not the kids. Of course they didn’t let the kids go again. I mean DAFUQ?! He ended up raping one of his nieces and went back to jail for not long enough. Back out and BACK AT CHURCH teaching Sunday school!! Registered for life sex offender teaching Sunday school. Apparently they claim it’s “forgiveness”. Never mind his severely psychologically damaged niece or his first victim—-HIS OWN DAUGHTER.

              So yeah, I give Mormons a side eye due to their baptizing people after death and of one particular temple’s sickening blind spot of having a registered sex offender teach sunday school and no one best not complain. If they let him attend church only? That’d be totally different.

              I think I topped your long reply! πŸ™‚

            • Margie8

              Your neighbor was full of shit to claim she didn’t know about it! The thing is, family members baptize their dead relatives (or have someone do it for them) so while the baptism of groups like Holocaust victims isn’t happening anymore, if victim 4362 was so and so’s great-great aunt, she gets baptized.
              I’m surprised about the sex offender. They’re SO hyper-vigilant about that. Oh just fyi, There is no teaching or Sunday school at the Temples at all, just at the ward, which is where we go on Sundays.
              He must of had male victims, too. He wouldn’t be teaching females and if he was under age, he wouldn’t be teaching anyone. It had to be some other activity or something because there’s nothing where a man or boy would be teaching kids or even supervising, visiting, etc. Boys and girls are only together in Nursery and only women (I think I recall couples when I was a kid) teach Nursery. Oh! My husband said maybe he was babysitting during an activity. Sometimes they have babysitting during stuff. Molesters often target both sexes. Sorry I’m thinking out loud here. Anyway, they always find a way.
              I asked my husband about it (us lowly women don’t make those decisions) and he said they are strictly forbidden from placing sex offenders in ANY calling so the entire Bishopric should be held responsible. Who knows, if they were willing to break such a huge rule, God knows they wouldn’t give a crap who’s allowed to teach what and who.
              ! I know of a case here where it was a church Scout Leader who molested several boys and they covered it up for MANY years. One of his victims (now an adult) was in our ward. Churches seem to have a knack for that. I will never understand the “handle it internally” mentality. Just from the child’s side, what about counseling? What about the damage done by the child seeing their abuser not getting punished? Seeing them period? Everyone involved should be punished. Personally I don’t believe offending pedophiles can be rehabilitated. I wrote news for many years and after investigating cases time and time again, I just don’t buy it. The recidivism rate is astronomical.

            • Whatever passes for Sunday school—-the kids went elsewhere in the temple, he was in charge. He had no male victims, just girls, young girls. Good thing he’s on the other side of the country or I’d be in jail—and i’d have smiled in my mug shot!!! Maybe it was babysitting? I dunno. His dad was a bishop in the church, he kept telling everyone the charges were false—–though he spent 10 years in jail for sodomizing his daughter; then another 3 for raping his niece!! Some one MARRIED HIM in the meantime and she was told by CPS when she was pregnant if she had a baby girl and she did NOT leave him they would immediately remove the child from their custody. They only had boys and she had abortions when pregnant with girls. She eventually divorced him after he raped his niece and moved to the other side of the country. He still attends church every week, yet his brother—who’s daughter he raped—was kicked out by the bishops because HE TURNED IN HIS BROTHER TO THE POLICE. Twisted shit. Since this involves a young girl whom I love very much, I obviously don’t want to say the city/temple location/or the POS’ name as it’s always her last name. But it’s on the sex offender registry for life in California and if you were in that city, you could go to that Mormon temple and see him there.

              I don’t believe pedos can be rehabilitated either. If you rape a child, I think you should be in jail for life or executed. Look how the catholic church did that too with molestation—tried to handle it internally. TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY!!! which i think they’re finally trying to do……

            • Margie8

              Ah ha, daddy’s the Bishop, why doesn’t that surprise me? Since you said it was at a temple, it was probably when the youth come in to do baptisms for the dead. That’s the only time children are in the Temple (aside from parents being Sealed but that’s a one time thing). But, like I said, if they were willing to allow the pig around kids at all who knows what else they allowed? I’m so sorry she, and others, went through that. Bastard should be killed… and his parents, WTF? I hope she does come to stay with you, if only to get out of the same area. We moved to another state to give our child peace of mind. It actually worked wonders combined with intensive therapy. Anyway, I get angry even writing it twenty some years later. Onward.
              I hope she finds peace. It’s that damn nagging in their brain telling them, “I should have done this, I should have done that,” that gets them. So heartbreaking.

            • She’s in therapy and her parents are too. Her parents, obviously, have now totally cut off his family. But I’m sure she’ll come out here next year, so we can just get away from it all and she knows I had a horrible childhood and when they lived here I always babysat them and when their parents fought I’d get ’em out of the house. She knows I would have probably castrated that POS myself if I was there too. I would have. When she’s 18 I’ll tell her it was me who got him sent back to jail for 6 months for violating his probation for having a FACEBOOK ACCOUNT! You can report CA probation violators online, I did. Then I reported him AGAIN when she told him he was staying with his parents who LIVE ACROSS FROM A SCHOOL and was lying to his probation officer and told them he lived in the apartment his parents rented. BUSTED!!! He’s on an electronic leash now. I want him BACK in jail and I know he’ll end up back there. THAT is where he needs to go and STAY THERE. He deserves all the beatings and brutality that would be meted out to him!

              She KNOWS it’s not her fault!!! I drilled that into her from day one and told her parents to KEEP THAT UP!!! Her ‘grandparents’ TRIED to say it was her fault!!! They went to court for him and claimed it was HER fault!!! Oh hell no!!! They got told off for that, especially when his past conviction against his own daughter was brought up. I hope there’s a hell for those people to go too!!!

            • Margie8

              Crap! My husband says my reply reads like I was trying to defend the church or claim it wasn’t true. I don’t want to erase it and make it worse but I don’t want it to seem like that either. I was writing while thinking and I should know better. One of our children is a abuse survivor and I have no room in my heart for forgiveness, justification or excuses. I’m not trying to belittle what happened in any way and I’m sorry if it reads like I was!

            • no no, i didn’t pick up on that!!! i’m sorry i can’t give you the name or city but that would violate the girl’s privacy and she’s been thru enough!! she turns 18 next year and i told her she can come back to ohio and live with me……

              i ‘got’ what you said!! πŸ™‚

            • Juicer77

              Ok, that made me giggle. I’ve never heard of no coffee for Mormons! As a Lutheran it’s considered a blessed sacrament! πŸ˜‰

            • They avoid caffeine, I can’t recall why. I once had Mormon neighbors.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It’s in the “Word of Wisdom,” found in Doctrines and Covenants 89. The actual proscription is “hot drinks,” specifically coffee and tea. Modern day Mormons have extrapolated that to any drink with caffeine.

            • Thanks!! Doesn’t make sense, but most of those things do not to me! πŸ™‚

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              So they can drink iced coffee..?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Only Jack Mormons do that.

              Some legalistic ones won’t even drink hot cocoa.

            • Hot cocoa?! o_O Every evening when I have my cup of cocoa I’m gonna relish it a little more while thinking of it as blasphemy to Mormons! πŸ˜€

            • Apparently so. Amazing the wiggle room eh? Hot is bad, cold is okay.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Maybe it’s to avoid lawsuits – like the McDonald’s hot coffee case some years back.

            • LOL!!!!!

            • ze moo

              I am a reformed Mormon, I drink decaf….

            • stillgrace2

              Two liters of Coke contains mucho caffeine, and lots of yucky high fructose corn syrup.
              Just saying’. I think one would be better off with a cup of joe.

            • HFCS is the DEBIL!!!!!

            • Draco

              Love coffee, but very seldom drink coke or any fizzy drinks for that matter. Nothing beats the smell of freshly ground coffee. It all adds to the pleasure of drinking it. No such pleasure in popping a can of coke.

            • pat k

              Unles u r hungover

            • Draco

              Coffee wakes you up. Not a good thing for cult membership numbers ;P

            • I see what you did there! πŸ™‚

            • VickiStubing

              Another Lutheran in the bunker? It’s time for a potluck!

            • Juicer77

              πŸ˜‰

            • ze moo

              What is your favorite jello dish to bring to the potluck? Any thing with little marshmallows is always a favorite.

            • Juicer77

              I am loath to admit that I detest any jello that has stuff in it! I know, revoke my membership card! XD My grandma used to make “seafoam salad” out of whipped lime jello, bits of fruit and cool whip. *shudder* One of the very few things she made that I wouldn’t eat.

            • beauty for ashes

              This reminds me of something from Edward Scissorhands πŸ™‚ Very visually strange and sort of 50’s American.

            • pat k

              Here in the 503 I have a Routine: check the bunker headline-let the dogs out- coffee on – sit down & my journey down the hole begins. Was watching Blazers last night. They all had their shoulders covered. I asked my son (the former Mormon- I a former catholic)if it had anything to do with magic underwear- he got away with ignoring me. But this one remains curious. When Jordan & Pippenplayed the wore short shorts & sweat all over the court. Just thought you might have a lead on that.

            • Margie8

              Ah, fellow 503er! As one that tucks her protective garments, er…tucked, they burn me now, I wouldn’t hazard a guess about our Blazers. Well, Crabbe may have been packing. πŸ€
              Geez, all this talk about tucking and packing might disturb my very conservative gay son. Hope he doesn’t see this.

            • pat k

              Oh pashaw! i have a gay post Mormon rugby player friend who is not alone! As a woman it has been a wild ride coaching the gents….every tuck has its day. Anyway it was great to see the Blazers win. Hope you had a grand holiday.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Me too, but then again I realized I had only woken up_side_down

    • Juicer77

      Canonbaaaaaaaaalllllllllll!

    • Kim O’Brien

      we on on our way !! why is that pool empty ??

      • Cuz we’re not there to fill it?

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        ’cause some anonymous yelled ‘the pools closed’ ?

  • madame duran

    STILL ANGRY!

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/07/10/scientologys-day-care-from-hell-the-scandal-the-church-managed-to-keep-hidden-until-now/

    On July 24, another person who had grown up in Scientology, Derek Bloch, gave us a piece that ruffled some feathers. Piecing together the wacky information in numerous L. Ron Hubbard lectures and books, Derek put together an overview of Scientology’s cosmology. It was ludicrous, as you could imagine. And we heard from some former Scientologists who didn’t appreciate it. Well, blame Hubbard.

    “Ruffled feathers”? Over the “sacred” ramblings of a loon, full of malarkey and having no real world effect (other than to entrap Scientologists with the instilled fear of pneumonia)? WELL, THAT’S TOO EFFING BAD!!!

    • what’sup

      IKR, getting all butthurt over the perception of a wife beating, con artist blagger like LRH. Seriously, these Indies shit me to tears.

      PS: My favourite DD song is Rio, but as a young man in the 80’s I’ve a deep seeded fondness for the video to “Girls of Film”

      • Rio is my ringtone! πŸ™‚

      • chukicita

        I think “blagger” is my new favorite word.

    • Margie8

      Thank you for the link! Wow!

      • madame duran

        You know that whenever Tony refers to a previous story (indicated by the blue text), it’s a direct link to that particular blog entry, right? Click on any blue hyperlinked text to see for yourself. I just re-posted the same link he did (it was worth it because I feel the story deserved more attention).

        • Yeah, I was gonna comment telling her that too. Thank you. I even scrolled up to ensure the link was included, as I was sure it was.

          • Margie8

            Thanks! I only saw the link that went directly to the old article at the paper’s website. I’ll know where to look next time. I tried Googling but after six unrelated things I decided to cheat and ask!

  • Newiga

    If either OT 9 or 10 doesn’t include copper rods, I’m going to be gravely disappointed!

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Shall we start taking bets on how long after their release the contents will be on the Bunker?

      I think it might take a while – maybe three months…

      • Juicer77

        Pfffffft…. I say TO scoops them. Heh heh.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          It wouldn’t surprise me. That guy’s got some great connections.

    • MissCandle

      You may actually be “gravely” when they are released.

  • Margie8

    INFO PLEASE!
    In my effort to read all of Tony’s back stuff, I linked to an old article in the Phoniex New Times regarding Moxon, lawyer Graham Berry and a suit against Berry by a former lover that was suing him. Can anyone update me or direct me to more info regarding the article, Double Crossed, and the other stories in it? Thanks!
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/double-crossed-6431852

    • If you want to find other articles connected to the people involved:

      Double Crossed – 1999-12-23

      • Margie8

        Thank you!

      • Margie8

        My God, that’s the Scientology info jackpot! Thanks again! πŸ’°πŸŽ°

    • You can also google the names of people in articles to get more info/links. There is also a search bar on this site if you wanted to search for a particular person and bunker stories.

      • Margie8

        I was cheating and trying to save time!

        • Well saving your time means that someone else is taking their time to google/look things up for you. It’s not like asking a question someone can answer off the cuff, you were asking for links.

          • Margie8

            OK, sorry.
            Edit: I’m editing my “OK, sorry” because it seems snotty and that’s not my intent.
            I tried for over an hour to find the resolution to the Hutardo vs. Berry case. I’m not at my office and I’m using my tablet and having trouble finding things. Research is a major part of my job and I understand the effort that goes into it and I didn’t mean to be dismissive by saying I was “cheating.” I certainly wasn’t expecting someone to take up time searching for me but hoped that someone would know offhand or where to direct me.
            I apologize for not specifying that I could search further tomorrow and for any time I took from anyone’s morning.

            • I did not consider you could be a on tablet and i apologize for that. I know how frustrating doing internet based things are on a tablet!! I really get online for mine and when I do, I usually just use google voice to search for something so i can avoid typing on it!

          • Robert Eckert

            Well it turns out that Mycroft (Sherlock Holmes’ smarter brother) knows every answer right off the cuff, or at least where he stashed the answer.

  • Interested2

    Tony, if you and lovely family,pets, etc reading this, have a great NewYear. And thank you for your amazing blog, I cannot wait until mid day every day, and when you are late I go into Withdrawal. (Purif does it work on Tony addiction?) come back and get more biscuits…

  • John P.

    But even if he never wrote anything above OT 8, what, we wondered, would actually stop Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige, from inventing OT 9 and OT 10?

    OK, I’ll take a stab at this one. In a word, fear.

    Miscavige knows that his hold on the “throne” of Scientology is most strongly rooted in political means. He’s finished off all his opponents and all those close to him are basically the biggest zombies among the true believers, with every spark of initiative and independent thought beaten out of them over the course of years of sec checks and 20-hour days. And he’s not above bribing, suing or using any amount of money to investigate and harrass any external threats like Marty Rathbun, Pat Broeker or any of the hundreds of ex’s and activists who’ve been victims of dirty tricks. On this avenue of retaining power among the faithful, Miscavige holds all the cards — over $1.5 billion in cash to fund a near-infinite list of dirty tricks and litigation and the control over true believers’ “eternity” through the mechanism of disconnection.

    But when it comes to actually delivering “product,” Miscavige is weak and his opponents are strong. There are so many former auditors and ex-Gold Base personnel who can say authoritatively that there were no LRH notes on any higher levels. Despite the cult’s attempts to keep people away from anything “entheta” on the Internet, many people in the cult who are wavering still read sources like this one, like Mike Rinder’s blog and so many others.

    There are so many still-in-the-cult experts in the “tech,” such as auditors, who have spent literally years studying the minutiae of Hubbard’s “products” that they would instantly be able to tell that the writing style and the subtle details of how things worked wasn’t Hubbard’s work that they would know something was off, even if they weren’t sure exactly what it was. Eventually, that realization would blossom into the full-fledged realization that it was all made up, and they’d leave. And auditors and “tech experts” would have the ears of many older long-time members and would have the credibility to tell them it’s all a sham. And that would have a snowball effect on the demographic Miscavige most needs to court — members with money (after all, the 20-somethings in the cult, kids of existing members, don’t typically have much money of their own).

    Remember that Miscavige is all about seeing incompetence in others and punishing them for it (never about owning his own numerous mistakes), so he’s tried to replace fallible humans with other ways to deliver “product.” Like how staff aren’t allowed to talk to people who wander in looking for information about Scientology (“fresh meat,” in the vernacular). Instead, they’re plopped in front of a video and nobody actually talks to them afterwards to try to “close the deal” or even to find out what they thought.

    So one alternative to the idea of having auditors to delivering classic “tech” is to have some sort of mechanized delivery system that’s mistake-proof. Of course, the best example of an attempt to do this is the creation of the Super Power building, with its acre of contraptions to test the “57 perceptics” including the famed oiliness table. And since this was “on source” because it was briefly mentioned as a way to try to rehab burned-out staff members, it was marked as “da bomb” to everyone in the cult. $30,000 or $40,000 to allow you super-observation powers that don’t last very long at all, probably disappearing before you’ve actually left the building.

    The Super Power rundown actually pales next to the “Cause Resurgence Rundown,” which involves running around a pole in a semi-dark room on the top floor of the Super Power building. Imagine how disappointed and disaffected even the most loyal member will be to discover that they’re paying tons of money to run around a pole for days at a time! That’s why they go to such lengths to avoid mentioning exactly what you do in this program until you’re there doing it, and they already got your money.

    And don’t forget that Miscavige is the ultimate perfectionist, spending years spinning his wheels on minutiae while letting huge moneymaking opportunities sink into the swamp. If he were actually trying to write OT IX-OT XV, it will take more years than he has left on this mortal coil to make it happen. He’ll never be able to overcome his own ineptitude to release anything at all.

    So while Claire Headley says that nothing is stopping Miscavige from releasing upper levels, I think this is true only in a political and organizational sense. At this point, Hubbard’s been dead for nearly 30 years and to many current cult members, Miscavige is Scientology, and there are certainly no political opponents inside the cult who are strong enough to stop him.

    But I believe that other factors, the result of all the strategic errors he’s made in the last 30 years, mean that Miscavige can’t release anything truly new because it will be a steaming pile of swine turds and will be a bigger disaster than anything he’s tried to do. I’m extremely confident that he will continue to tease the upper levels with even more hackneyed promises, events, “prep” classes, and all sorts of other distractions that mean he doesn’t actually have to launch anything new.

    My take is that ultimately, he’s trapped and there is simply no way out.

    • Juicer77

      I protest, good sir. Steaming swine turds make a lovely compost given time and some organic matter. Nothing better for the garden!
      Honestly, I think and sincerely hope you are right on this one. You probably are, given past history. πŸ™‚

      • ze moo

        Steaming turds from herbivores make nice compost. Dog and cat poop do not make good fertilizer.

        • pat k

          Unless they are fed vegetarian food I am told

        • Juicer77

          Yes, indeedy. No carnivores or ominivores, please.

    • Rasha

      Okay, fine! I guess Rasha has to do everything……

      OT XI: (Breakfast Rundown) Put a slice of bread in a toaster. Take it out. Repeat 400x: $28,000
      OT XII: (Slim Jim Restim) Circle a locked car for days until you don’t want to escape: $52,000
      OT XIII: (Bank Balance Rundown) Sign a blank check. Turn it in. Repeat. If checks run out, get more at your own expense. $47,000
      OT XIIII: (Obedience Rundown) Repeat the Sacred Phrases until you are unable to say anything else: “You are a bigot.” “We can help with that.” “Let’s go to the ATM now.” $322,666
      OT XIIIII: (Comm Sec Break ARC Messed BLARGH Rundown): Confidetially Write and speak the names of everyone you know who is not a Scientologist, and their addresses, phone numbers and workplaces. This includes immediate family. Also, their occupations and incomes. Then monitor them. Everything will be fine. If caught, revert to OT XIII training. $834,277 (no bail provided)

      …geeze, this stuff is easy. I can almost feel the Total Freedom!!!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I am so more “me” after reading that!

        • Rasha

          Soon, you will be at cause over more now able being havingness, at least three feet behind your head. Lemme make sure those checks go through before you’re allowed to leave…..

          • Uh, excuse me Rasha, I believe you have forgotten a main part of the exclusive upper OT levels. They must be paid for in gold bullion only. No checks, no credit cards, only gold bullion. You wanna word clear that again.

            • Rasha

              WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES???

            • DO YOU RAPE BABIES?!?!?!

            • Rasha

              (falls backward dramatically) Ah! I am shattered! Very well met, my friend. Now, I extranormali– extramerchal– exteriorsidingi— I go!…

              Wow, we have next year’s drama pageant already to go! If only we can get ChiliBeans to do the musical numbers for Winter Wonderwhy…..

            • Spur of the moment Chill EB rap:

              Gotta give us the time
              To tell us your crimes
              Get your ass sec checked
              Or COB, allegedly, will deck

              Who’s got the dramz?!
              Scientology!!!
              Who’s got the dramz?!
              Scientology!!!
              Say it again in tone 40!
              SCIENTOLOGY!!!

              Do you rape babies
              Jenna Elfman thinks maybe
              You’re gonna pay for this now
              Confront shatter ka-pow!

              Who brings the dramz?!
              Scientology!!!
              Who’s the got the dramz?!
              Scientology!!!
              Say it again in tone 40!
              SCIENTOLOGY!!!

              Here the guards to come get you
              Fess up now or you are through
              No refunds no satisfaction guaranteed
              Sign over your house deed

              Who’s best at dramz?!
              Scientology!!!
              Who’s best at dramz?!
              Scientology!!!
              Say it again in tone 40!
              SCIENTOLOGY

              So glad you sold your kidney
              Can you can hang with Chill EB
              Paying for status is how we work
              Don’t ask a question or you’re a jerk

              Who’s got your cash?!
              Scientology!!!
              Who’s got your cash?!
              Scientology!!!
              Say it again in tone 40!
              SCIENTOLOGY

      • jazzlover

        LOL. Has little Davey forgotten the lesson on Roman numerals? πŸ˜‰

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Forgotten?!? He invented them! It’s those damn Romans who screwed it up!

          • jazzlover

            Ha! XIV YOU πŸ™‚

      • John P.

        I thought the “slim jim” rundown was another tool to enhance your perceptics, this time of artificially processed individually packaged smoked meat snacks. At the end, you’ll be able to tell your chili cheese flavor from pepperoni, tangy barbecue and something called “savage salsa.” And you’ll be able to distinguish a monster meat stick from a merely giant one.

        You can just imagine the Miscavige-written instructions for the “processing” on this rundown:

        * Step 1: Feel the meat. Perceive its size and rigidity. Start with the meat in its packaging, then open the package to feel the meat in its natural, exposed state.
        * Step 2: Beat the meat. At first gently, then faster as necessary to appreciate the rigid yet yielding flexibility of the meat.
        * Step 3: Lick the meat, slowly at first, to taste its flavor then faster to absorb the richer tastes that the meat emanates.

        Repeat as necessary until a “cognition” is achieved.

        The higher levels, are, of course, using the new bacon jerky, which is a concept of multi-layered ironic junk food coolness far beyond what I could have ever imagined.

        By the way, we in Global Capitalism HQ have high hopes for the new bacon jerky, which we think has the potential to be a smash hit that will move the profit needle at ConAgra, a giant midwestern food conglomerate that we of course happen to own the largest chunk of.

        • MissCandle

          Sounds like you have vast experiences in the slim jim rundown . . .

          • John P.

            I was more imagining some of the overtones the “bromance” between David Miscavige and Tom Cruise when I wrote that, given that Miscavige would have to be writing all the material himself.

            • MissCandle

              Now you’ve made me barf. And I know that you were writing from a super model perspective in the first place.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Locally, that is already sold next to the Scientology Cult Office. It is in the $200 range. Competition will be… stiff.

        • kemist

          Mmmmmm… Bacon jerky.

        • edge

          Do they have the “I can tell the difference between butter and I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter” Rundown? The cognition from that might be worth the trip to Clearwater.

          • Jake Hamby

            I bet the two feel slightly different on the oiliness table in the Super Powers building.

          • Van Torrance

            Do you know why you can’t believe it’s not butter? BECAUSE IT’S BUTTER. Look on the label. Butter is one of it’s ingredients.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I’m sold! I’m also hungry, so can we get going with OT XI now, please?

      • Fink Jonas

        OT XIIIII? lol I’m assuming that’s how Miscavige is going to write it too.

      • Fink Jonas

        OT XV (if he dies he dies)

    • BeezleBobby

      Well that all sounds plausible, but didn’t one of the whales – possibly Duggar – actually get a preview of OT IX and announce it awesome? True, he’s not steeped in the technology like Claire or Marty, but if Duggan can buy it, that may be the only test new levels would have to pass. It’s not like the rank and file would ever see the contents, and only the most loyal auditors would be able to deliver it. Furthermore, even if one of the whales smelled something fishy, what are they going to do about it? Sure, Miscavige needs the money, but the whale need to protect his investment, his eternity, and his trophies.

      • John P.

        Good point.

        I don’t recall whether Duggar got a preview of OT IX or not. But I think that a historical precedent for that was that at least one of the Feshbach brothers got a preview of the Super Power rundown… at least 20 years before the official version was announced. IIRC, nobody else got a preview of Super Power.

        And given that it’s gonna be 100x as hard for Miscavige to put together the higher levels as it was to build a building to implement something that Hubbard had already outlined, Duggar (and nearly everyone else in the cult) will be long dead before anything actually gets released.

        • BeezleBobby

          I think you’re probably right.

        • villagedianne

          John P, both you and BeezleBobby wrote Duggar instead of Duggan. You’ve got your religious-fanatics-with-strange-ideas-about-child-rearing mixed up.

      • villagedianne

        Duggar?

    • chukicita

      How …karmic. The ecclesiastical captain of a nonexistent toy navy, fighting a war against the rest of the world so we can have a world without war;

      Selling everyone the secret that they are “trapped” in a MESTy hell (instead of blessed with this beautiful planet)– but only an MEST-based “exchange” is good enough to buy the secret!

      Yes, everyone else is “trapped” – but it’s really DM who is trapped.

      If DM were to ask WWHD, maybe he could brush off any glaring differences from Hubbard’s awful cadence and writing to a shhh-secret Hub getting used to existing as a new star in another gaLAXy (you see they needed him there to take care of some problem with the locals, but in order to talk with these light-beings he had to reincarnate as a star, which makes the whole typing on butcher paper thing really awkward). Hubbard, who hasn’t forgotten his Earthbound children he left in the care of Cap’n COB despite his altered consciousness and sparkly new physical form, is currently beaming thoughts into Shelly, which is why you haven’t seen her because she’s busy. These beamed thoughts form the core of OT IX – XV, but we’ll be sure to re-edit the Starshine Lectures at least twice after selling them to you the first time, and before insisting everyone go back to the Student Hat and start all over again.

      • John P.

        Utterly. Fucking. Brilliant.

        Especially the part about “The ecclesiastical captain of a nonexistent toy navy, fighting a war against the rest of the world so we can have a world without war.”

        • chukicita

          A long time ago I tried to sell DM my concept of a the next step up (because everything is a gradient) from the ARC triangle: Something like, connectedness + rootedness + awe = peace. The CRAP quadrangle!

          I thought a quarter million for that would be a fair exchange. And it took six seconds, before coffee! DM just doesn’t have the creative imagination to keep the story going.

          • Illinoisian

            “DM just doesn’t have the creative imagination . . .”
            That’s it in a nutshell.

            (I also think that DM would never want to have a “living” and “talking” LRH — even as a star being — in the picture. An LRH who is essentially out of the picture is his preference.)

        • Alex De Valera

          I entirely agree. I am going to save that phrase in the “Dark Lord” file of my computer.

      • scottmercer

        Exactly. It’s all made up horse crap anyway, so what’s to prevent more made up horse crap about this coming from Hubbard at Target Two? As you rightly note, the real thing preventing it is Miscavige’s lack of creativity. He might be a smart guy, smart enough to con people out of a billion dollars and maintain his dictatorial power, but unlike Hubbard, he has no creative or artistic abilities. (The quality of Hubbard’s creativity may be debatable, but there’s no arguing that he was creative enough to write hundreds of stories, hundreds of lectures and thousands of bulletins. The ultimate worth of all this product is questionable, but it does exist. Miscavige can’t churn out product like that. Everything he says is scripted by Dan Sherman or other lackeys.)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Most of those few left are families of 2nd and 3rd generations. They’ve seen and experienced enough to know that it’s garbage. The tech is not why they are still there. It’s their families being held hostage. It’s emotional blackmail. Then there’s other types of blackmail for anything inside their folders and on the videos. As far as the veteran Sea Org members, they are on their last breath and are mentally ill to various degrees, but ill they all are at this point. Logic has nothing to do with it anymore.

      Miscavige knows this. That’s why he continues to go full force with all the wrong moves – he knows there is no scientology except for the shells, the buildings. All that matters is free money to the IAS – everything else is just a pavlog bell ringing to get them to the fundraisers, to the ships, to the ethics torture Room 101.

      He doesn’t Need them anymore. He has enough now and a few Cruise’s, Duggans, he just doesn’t need to bother with any real work to live a life of extreme luxury.

      • BosonStark

        You really think that? I believe most Scientologists venerate the tech quite a lot. Aren’t Scientologists trained to believe quite strongly that it’s probably something they are doing wrong when it doesn’t work — they pulled it in? And don’t OTs sometimes think other OTs may have the real powerz, or that Hubbard had real powerz at least? And many OTs go around thinking their real OT powerz may manifest themselves at any moment, especially at the next level?

        It’s like faith in Christianity. You’re supposed to struggle with it, but be firmly convinced that continually trying to strengthen it is a noble effort. In Scientology, it’s worse because you’re supposed to be so damn certain all the time, and not really allowed to question it.

        Instead of struggle and questioning, the Scientologist is expected to proceed up the bridge to total freedom, repeating courses as needed.

        Even with people like Tory, being stuck on OT7 for years was not enough, nor the pull of her husband, who seems like a pretty nice clam, but it was when she was confronting critics on the Web that it finally fell apart for her.

        There are definitely other factors, such as fear of disconnection and that may be the most important for some, but a lot of clams seem to revere the tech quite a bit. I think Tom Cruise believes it has all the answers, just as when he was Catholic he believed in a loving God that is keeping track of every sparrow that falls, and has his Son sitting at his right-hand side in heaven.

        Finally, there’s the sunk cost and time, and both are extreme in Scientology compared to other groups. People find that hard to leave behind.

        • aquaclara

          “The sunk cost and time, and both are extreme in Scientology…” This is a significant point. I hadn’t really considered the extreme part before. All that time, all that money–it’s the kind of grip that isn’t easy to let go of. Maybe tenfold or greater….

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I mentioned those still in now. Disconnection, holding families ransom, all the same thing. And it’s not about what I think, it’s about what all those under the radars are reporting. I also personally know thousands of these veterans, the heads of the families. Of course they see a hundred one “out tech” pieces every year. We’re only talking about a very tiny group left now.

      • Observer

        A life of extreme MEST luxury while the thetan is constantly enturbulated, surrounded by PTSs, CICSs and undetected SPs, beseiged by ever-increasing numbers of Merchants of Chaos who can no longer be shuddered into silence, haunted by fears of public buggery, his grandiose self-image tarnished by legions of J&Ders who are a lot better at shooping than his own supposedly most-able-on-the-planet minions … I’ll stick with my peaceful lower-middle-class life, thanks.

    • BosonStark

      But when Hubbard was churning it out, weren’t there other sources of the Source besides the Source? David Mayo wrote part or most of solo NOTs and NED for OTs, and Captain Bill spun new OT levels out by the dozens for Ron’s Org.

      Hubbard may have jotted down a few notes for the upper levels. They probably had to create a lot for the Super Power Rundown to make it more comprehensive too.

      I think if you can make them run around a pole and pay a hefty sum for it, they’ll do just about anything without questioning, including the OT levels. For the more curious, the big difference now is the Internet. How easy, comparatively, was it to keep Xenu a secret in the pre-Internet days, for example.

    • ze moo

      OT 9 and 10 is a double edged sword. The moving target part of the scam needs some work. All of GAT 2 and the new releases ‘in checksheet time’ are part of that 3 card monte. I always thought that any release above OT8 was doomed. If Lroon didn’t write it, it doesn’t exist in the catechism of clamtown.

      Is DM ready to step into the guru’s shoes {there’s a John Loeb joke in there somewhere}? DM has corrected punctuation and re-re-written so much that he may be ready to don the loincloth of the master. F5

      DM gets off on large donations and fealty. Any OT 9 and 10 will be DM’s crowning achievement, getting the clam poloi to swallow it is not a problem for him. Swallow or be declared an SP, what to continue to see your Sea bOrg children? I don’t see any real attempt to bring SP’s or those who have hopped the fence back into the clam bed. Individual mOrgs may try to get the disaffected back, but no mass forgiveness of past sins has been seen.

      In years past, some highly placed clam stated that only 5% of those who start any clam ‘course’ ever get to OT3, the Xenu story. How many have actually reached OT8?

      If income is stagnant, what is a snake oil salesman to do? DM has re-re-released all that he can, he needs some new carrot to dangle in front of the mule.

      The only real question is, will 9 and 10 generate enough income to offset any escapes from the real Lroon minions? And is that income more important than demonstrating fealty to the Niblet? Throwing those dice is something no snake oil salesman would do, unless things are really about to go to shit.

    • flying baby

      You’re forgetting where processes came from to begin with – they were derived, at least in concept, by ripping off the great thinkers. Of course, Hubbard slanted things to facilitate domination and control.

      What is a ‘process’ to begin with? Free association? The Rorschach Test? These things tease out our ‘first reactions’ – the things that come to mind automatically. Most of auditing is like that. Even when you’re auditing ‘body thetans,’ which one gets audited first? What is this body thetan’s story? It’s what ever comes to mind, and Ron is listening. This causes ‘transference’ – the transference of childhood feelings for your parents into feelings of love for Hubbard and the church – making you a true believer.

      Hubbard ripped off so many things from so many places. Does MisCavige even read? Does he ever study anything other than scientology? Psychology has advanced in leaps and bounds since Hubbard’s time. There are many ideas that haven’t yet ‘trickled down’ into common knowledge. I’m sure there are concepts that could be twisted and turned into scientology, assuming you had a deep enough understanding of both subjects.

    • Very well said. I agree. Plus, look at how long he can continue to sucker people out of their money by keeping the carrot just out of reach, just like was done with the Super Power building and is still being dine with the Scientology Media Productions. This is the #1 thing Miscavige has left to tease people with and he’s it going to give it up so fast.

    • Sid

      Actually there was one leaked photo of the “Cause Resurgence Rundown”. (F5)

      And if Miscavige does release something for OT IX and X, it would likely be something taken out of Creation of Human Ability. If people do the level and don’t get the gains, he’ll just tell them they didn’t get the lower level of Clear and they would need to re-do it again (12th time) before they can do OT IX Expanded.

    • Peter

      Well, John, he’s a criminal mentality who saw an opportunity and seized it successfully. Having a huge fortune at his command and having corrupted more than a few cohorts below/around him via either money or fear – perhaps both – he will continue onward, creating still more crimes. I frankly don’t have the slightest idea – other than death – how he will be stopped. The Feds, many States, and others do not seem to be willing to take him on.

    • I’ve often thought that new OT levels could miraculously appear, neatly typed, in an LRH office, a gift from the ascended Ron. Scientologists are asked to believe dafter things and do. A good author could reproduce his style, and the ‘technical experts’ could be required to ‘interpret’ it. They might even enjoy this role enough to overlook their doubts

      The problem for Miscavige is obtaining a plausible manuscript. He can’t trust anyone else to do it and can’t do it himself – he can’t even judge if it is any good himself. He would micro-manage the project for years, and it would probably leak before it came anywhere near completion . Even if it didn’t, he would still have to plan the introduction of Ron’s revelation to the faithful.

      You’re right. It’s never going to happen because Miscavige simply does not the ability to complete the job, let alone make it work.

    • Leigh Andrews

      In “Troublemaker” by Leah Remini, she recounts that a friend of Shelly Miscavige’s said that Shelly believed that when you reach the top of Scientology, you have forfeited your ability to escape it. This is probably no less true for David Miscavige. Where would he go from here? To keep the plates spinning, he needs to show continuity, not something that contradicts what has been put forward already.

      He can open all the Ideal Orgs that he wants, but the problem is the people to run the facilities. Though it would mean admitting failure, or at least stepping back from the 47X growth paradigm, it would not be bad to pull back and close and sell a lot of properties, leaving perhaps six or seven main facilities, to include the Celebrity Center, Clearwater, Int Base, and a few other support facilities to support the existing congregations. They already have a structure in place that forces people to go to Clearwater for higher-level training.

      As a never-in, I believe that the biggest mistake that Miscavige made was the never-ending fundraising that provided no accountability to donors concerning how the money was spent. This, more than anything else. produced disaffected members who stay only because they fear losing their family members. If “The War Is Over”, the fundraising should also end.

    • richelieu jr

      Excellently reasoned and argued, Jhno P..

      One argument agains tthis would be that he has already arguably done it once before– Whenthe OTVII “Christ was paedophile’ that was actually given to quite a few people on Tubby’s Rub-a-Dub Luv Boat who have the certificates and stories to prove it…

      Presumably the ‘new’ version was cobbled together from existing stuff and whatever was salvageable from PRH’s ill-advised first go.

      I imagine any grumbling could be put off with statements that it was difficult to decipher the old man’s intentions and handwriting, etc… Strangely, this would probably play better to the more skeptical, as they already pretty much know that their Great Source was quivering wreck in the saddest, loneliest trailer park in America, kept up on an oily cloud of menthol Kools and Vistaril, as he breathed in Miscavige’s misinformation (a true Scilon to the end?), used it to fuel his own free-ranging paranoia (I hear his paranoia and Lyndon Larouche’s used to go scamper about in the high chaparral together, whilst their towering egos made brutal, sickening love as Ayn Rand’s out-of proportion self-esteem sat on a wooden chair, only the cherry of its bitter, Soviet-smelling, cigarette visible in the doorway… But I digress…)

      The rest, as you so rightly point out, are far from the sharpest knives in the cult-lery drawer, and they’ll keep doing what they have done for decades– Suspect they just aren’t smart enough to get it and avoid redoing OTVII for another decade and fortune or two, whilst getting their jollies by walking around smirking like they know something we don’t because they suspect they are changing up to 15% more lights green than when they were lowly OTVIIs,, and did you see that parking space in front of Canters?!!

  • Victoria Pandora

    Just re read Derek’s write up on $cn. Cosmology.
    See, Hubbard really did write the superpower processes.
    “There were various methods used to trap a thetan, but the common denominator was curiosity. The thetan would be attracted to a pole that gave off a kind of energy and he would get stuck to it.”

    • chukicita

      I just did the same thing – went back and re-read Derek’s explanation. If Hubbard had laid out his story with the same clarity Derek has…. there would be no such thing as a scientologist.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And then there’s the brass dog story…

      • Margie8

        ❓❔❓

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          One of El Con’s science fixation incidents of greatttttt historical importance. Well, not as important as hubbard being Al cola the inventor of music, but still…ummm as true as the ‘bridge to total freedom’ . Read all about it, read all about it. Apparently scientology is new NEWS……..ha ha ha…

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_%28Scientology%29

        • Robert Eckert
          • Margie8

            That was the biggest cluster of WHAT THE FUCK I’ve ever seen and it was GLORIOUS!
            And, damn! It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the “Negro” Bugs Bunny. I can’t believe they still showed those when I was a kid.

    • madame duran

      Thetans…alleged to have superhuman ability (which Scientologists strive to gain) but also incredibly dumb as bricks. Attracted to a pole that gives off energy then becoming stuck to it? At what point do Scientologists feel any sense of gullibility or disillusionment? At any time, do they feel that Hubbard was pejoratively referring to his followers as being equally stupid as the childish thetans?

      • BraveBloggers

        Your description of the powerful but dumb theatan reminds me of an old cartoon…I think it was called Baby Huey (but I could be wrong on the name.)

        In any case, it was a large and strong carton baby that could destroy cars and houses when mad etc.

        • Draco

          Yep – Baby Huey.

    • Sejanus

      They could use a Festivus pole…or a stripper one…..lol

  • I went out to get the paper, and there was a bedraggled wet Woolly Bear caterpillar on the front steps. I hope the warm weather hasn’t fooled it into thinking spring is here, because it’s going to be cold tonight (12F).

    • A lot of plants have been fooled into spring. If they’re still out there, you might want to put them under a pile of leaves if you have one.

      • Woolly is making slow progress and will probably find itself a nook to hunker up in.
        ..

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Go, Woolly, go!

        • Oh good!!!

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          thermal heat sinks are always good on cold days especially when the sun is a shin’in

    • BraveBloggers

      Yes, your Wooly Bear and my mosquitoes may need to hunker tonight. But, I hope that the Wooly makes it and the skeeters freeze!

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      wow, we are going to be a bit warmer at minus 10

  • Margie8

    I watched an older video from Marty and Mike that made a fantastic point. With the money Scn has, they could feasibly complete the hundred ideal orgs TODAY.

  • BraveBloggers

    The childcare coverup story, I must admit, hit me very hard. It remains on the top of four or five
    Bunker reporting that’s moved me the most.

    I still get so damn angry when I think about.

    Sadly, it appears that in the relatively small percentage of provable scios, there is a large number of alleged crimes/abuses. Why?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Because scientology protects criminals and the criminals even get tax exemptions for their trouble.

    • Peter

      Back in the late 70s, I ran across an old friend at AOLA, Arlyn Hobel. She was, along with her husband, Gene, one very tough lady. She told me that she’d looked down a corridor and saw a door open and a guy in his 20s, looking some furtive, came out, followed by a very young girl. (The door was to a broom closet.) The guy walked away quickly but Arlyn was able to corner the girl. After a short while, it came out that the girl was 10 yo and had been having sex with the guy, her “school bus driver”, for several months. Arlyn was outraged and immediately wrote up a knowledge report and turned it in to the Ethics Officer. Result? The guy was immediately transferred to a different city and no actions were taken. Arlyn was furious, but could do nothing as she was a “good” scn and wouldn’t go to the cops. I don’t know what happened to the girl.

      • MissCandle

        Oh no. Wait … oh, yes. I am so sad.

      • BraveBloggers

        My God! How? Why? Ethical my ass!

        This is so heart wrenching. I’m mortified and further mortified knowing that you speak of one incident with who knows how many just like it.

        That poor girl. SMH. I want to cry.

      • Sejanus

        I just threw up in my mouth a little.

        • Peter

          Sejanus, this sort of thing happens today, all over the world, every single day. That’s the general level of awareness which currently permeates the planet.

          • perhaps, but it takes a criminal organisation to cover it up so as to minimise negative PR exposure.

            • Peter

              Which tells you the level of actual awareness at the upper levels of scio. For that matter, this sort of crime is particularly endemic worldwide. Ugly thought, but it’s essentially true. And it hardly takes any kind of organization to “cover it up”. Individuals, couples, families, companies, corporations, politicians, police, armed forces, individual churches, religions, colleges, etc, all have been recorded as “covering up” sexual crimes.

            • Peter

              And I don’t believe it’s going to end anytime soon. πŸ™

      • Sunny Sands

        Thanks for posting this, difficult as it is to read.

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        Again, said many times here in disgust, “the most ethical people on the planet”…sigh

    • Peter

      A single individual can cause one hell of a lot of mayhem. How many crimes, for instance, has Miscavige himself caused?

  • Supper Powers
    • OT: you see my xmas eve vid? I used you as an example of ‘powers’ πŸ™‚

      • Supper Powers

        No! I’m sorry I missed that.

        • Dec. 24, sort oldest. Or wait, I can post a link here….

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NUW_PZT9gs

          • Supper Powers

            Wow! What gift to the Bunker. You are so talented! Thanks for posting it again.

            • Wanted to make sure you saw you were repped! πŸ™‚

          • BraveBloggers

            Miss Tia dropped the Mic after that one! I was standing and clapping! Encore! AMAZING Ty, Miss Tia.

          • JaxNGold

            That was brilliant! Loved it.

          • Allie

            Love seeing this again, Tia. Very.Well.Done πŸ™‚

  • Supper Powers

    Pan, where are you? I miss your word smithing.

    • Remember he’s off awaiting his baby? So basically he’s on paternity leave.

      • Supper Powers

        Babies and mammas need attention first. Another reason to like him.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Pan is doing well. Enjoying the downtime before the baby comes. He’ll be back. ; )

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Every time, every single time, there’s a story anywhere about scientology’s ecclesiastical activities of covering up child molestation, a long line of ghosts slowly, painfully emerge behind scientology’s wall of silence to tell Their tale of horror. And every time, I am horrified by how long that line keeps growing.

    Scientology is a criminal for profit organization that protects the criminals that are under their wing. That is the Reason why criminals flock to scientology. The child molestation cover ups are part and parcel of scientology’s 60 year history of child abuse.

    So when I hear any excuses from Any of the authorities about how it’s too hard, takes too long, and there’s not an adequate quantity to bother with, well, you know I tend to explode when I hear such cowardly whining.

    My question to FBI and Child and Family Welfare authorities: How many children exactly have to be molested before it’s “enough” for you to end these children’s nightmares? How many 4 years old must be utterly destroyed before it’s worth all the time and resources you’re reluctant to spend? How long is it okay for these kids to cry themselves to sleep at night because it takes too long to give them hope again?

    PS: THIS, Alex Gibney, is your Documentary #2. It’s time the children of scientology had THEIR story told. THIS, if anything will, will get the public hammering on the IRS’s door for change. This is what the public’s tax dollars is going to – paying the lawyers and the PI’s to commit the crime of obstruction of justice – covering up child molestation and child abuse in scientology. THIS is the story that needs to be told and heard.

    • ^^^THIS

      And I know you’re just referring to the article today in the recap; but we know there’s still child labor too.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yes, that’s part of the child abuse.

        • And it’s also child abuse to disconnect them from loving grandparents and other family members. What long term affects do things like that have on kids? I mean, one day you’re with Grandma and the next day you’re told you can’t ever see/speak to her again. In some kids that would/could manifest into abandonment issues; feelings of guilt—children often internalize and think things are their fault; and how that would affect them later in life could come out in many ways. Could affect future relationships, turn to substance abuse, etc.

          Basically having a child AROUND scientology is abuse.

          • Margie8

            I think I would die if someone stopped me from seeing my grandchildren.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Truth. The police would need an “abuse chart” for Scientology. The same way they will lay out the hierarchy of a crime family on a big board because of the amount of people. They’d need one of those to map out all the abuse in Co$ and yet what do we get…..crickets.

        • BraveBloggers

          Let us please remember that it’s not just the police (they are not adjudicators, but merely a reporting and fact gathering authority which mainly act in a reactive way…they need a call and reports and probable cause and cooperation from someone.

          The courts, the DA needs to press that there is a crime that has occurred or all the charges that an officer gathered (if ever notified) amounts to nothing if they won’t actually press further. Most police/social workers are equally horrified (when they are notified and can respond) and see victims going right back to being victims.

          The whole system is faulty, but the pressure should be brought to bear on our court system. Police are the waiters who bring you drink. The courts are the ones who present the bill, if you will

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            You’re right, of course. Today I just feel like laying the blame at all their feet. I do understand though, it’s not just one person who must take action, it will have to be certain agencies who lead the way. Your totally rational statement did make it through my wall of “AAAGGGGGHHHHHHH” πŸ˜‰

            • BraveBloggers

              We all have a wall of AAAGGGGGHHHH here. It’s what makes us connect and stand up for the wrongs being done.

              I knew what you meant and understand. (HUGS).

              I only hope, one day, the blame is laid at the feet of the abusers, and they can reap the fruits of their behavior by being in a cell with hardened criminals who treat child abusers as the lowest rung on the criminal ladder. Perhaps that would give some perspective.

          • chukicita

            It doesn’t help that the current Florida State’s Attorney had a fundraiser at the Fort Homicide.

            • BraveBloggers

              Sing it! You’re absolutely correct. Talk about the lamb with the lion.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yeah, Miss Puppet. gahhh. Time for a federal raid, dammit.

            • Sunny Sands

              I think Pam Bondi had her fundraiser at the condo of scientologists Michael and Liz Bayback. If there was another fundraiser at the FH, I’d be interested about it.

            • chukicita

              Oh, you’re right – I’m confusing that with David Jolly’s appearance there.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yeah, try reporting it to the Clearwater Police Dept, or LAPD. This would have to be addressed and investigated by higher powers.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Two departments I have lost complete faith in. It’s sad to know that if anything is ever done about this, it won’t come from either of those departments. I can only hope their slimy actions come out in the wash as well.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’m pretty damn sick of the excuses too. It shouldn’t take more than one and that there are multiple cases is just sickening. There are a massive amount of ‘F’ words welling up in me.

      http://i.imgur.com/vdLE8dJ.gif?noredirect

      • BraveBloggers

        That cat clip was placed at exactly the right time when I needed a smile, so thank you.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          You’re welcome BB. We have to laugh so we don’t cry. Plus, I love a cat with an attitude. πŸ˜€

          • BraveBloggers

            I kinda want to steal that cat though I’m allergic.

            • Draco

              Ah Nooooo! That’s awful!

          • Draco

            It’s known as Cattitude πŸ™‚
            My fur baby has oodles of it!

      • Scientology, ushering in the Fuckpocalypse since 1950.

      • JaxNGold

        Hysterical!

      • beauty for ashes

        I’ve tried to stop watching this three times.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i am looking for a Valium …gotta be one around here somewhere …abused children put me over the top and it’s only 7:15 . Waking up my kid to give her a hug …she always asks me if i have been reading about scientology again .

      kidding about the valium πŸ˜‰

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        KNow what you mean there, Kim. As far as I’m concerned, every single person who helped cover up this crime needs to do the time. Every single one of them.

      • pat k

        Tears. Sadness & tears are here. Please pass over a cookie

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      PS. If you do make it, don’t forget to include the fact that instead of handing out declares, scientology is now using all their billions to bribe those at the top who Know to keep quiet.

    • Margie8

      This is where I didn’t want to go. I assume there are (edit: more) glaring coverups? Guess I better Google again, God help me stay sane.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Oh, if someone like Gibney would take this on…!! Today’s trip down 2015’s memory lane makes me wanna spit piss and vinegar, so I need a little hope to hold onto.

    • aegerprimo

      Jenna Miscavige’s book “Beyond Belief” was excellent and eye opening, even for an ex and ex So member like me. Yes, more stories like hers need to be told.

      THDNE, don’t think criminals “flock to Scientology” but are often harbored by it, as the founder himself committed many crimes (i.e. fraud, tax evasion, robbery, physical assault, bigamy). Long time scientologists tend to emulate L Ron Hubbard, and become criminals or scientology brings out their innate criminal behavior. There are many good people who joined scientology and many who left who are still good people.

  • Interested2

    Just found and listened to this. Graham berry. Wow. Please take the time to listen. http://youtu.be/qvMoSsuRVW8

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Graham’s points ought lead to an authoritative book laying out Scientology’s history of carrying out Hubbard’s “Special Zone Plan” and the “Department of Government” policies of Hubbard’s.

      Graham hits the nail on the head repeatedly in this excellent talk.

      The evidence is so disheartening to absorb, what Graham details, it is hard to hear that volume of bad news infiltration that truly will always be “on the books” for the OSA branch of Scientology to carry out as their future responsibilities.

      My only ex member feeble response is encourage the OSA staffers still in OSA to defect, and go to the FBI, and let US Justice Dept people see what ongoing behaviors that OSA is engaging in which can be prosecuted.

      This is so disheartening to listen to this talk, it’s overwhelming to think of this problem that Scientology institutionally presents to society, and L. Ron Hubbard’s policies that he’s left on the books for official Scientology to carry out, still, are truly an important ongoing story.

      OSA simply has to be disbanded, as the problems they present society are just so obnoxious.

      I wonder if Scientology’s policies that Graham touches upon could be taken up in courts in some way.

      Dead Hubbard’s policiies indeed are ordering OSA staff today to oversee “Special Zone Plan” policy tactics of this infiltration.

      Very important material, so disheartening though to absorb

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Just a note before I get busy: for everyone who accepted Miscavige’s bribes to keep quiet. Those who engage in accepting bribes to keep their mouths shut are criminals. Their crime, just for starters, is obstruction of justice. Just remember at this point, use that money to hire a lawyer for your legal defense when it all catches up to you, Or talk to one about turning state/federal evidence and use the remainder of your blood money for those extra special treats while under the federal witness program. Sooner or later you are All going to be thrown under the bus by DM – if you are counting on a sociopath to keep their word to protect your ass, you Really need to hire a lawyer to explain it all to you. You can get by with a lot of crap, but when the crime involves children, you better have a very, very expensive lawyer. Scientology’s criminal actitivies are coming to light. Act now before that line shines in your rat hole.

    Most of those still hanging on are criminals like yourselves, or they have family being held hostage. I don’t think you or DM has thought this plan through. Eventually, someone is going to talk if it means having their son, their mother, their family back in their arms and no amount of blood money is going to tempt them otherwise.

    Other than that, have a good new year! I’m not going to wish you a happy one.

    • aquaclara

      I want to echo Hole’s message here. If you did take the money to keep quiet, there is a way out. See a good attorney, one not affiliated with Scientology. It is a crime to aid criminal activity. Get yourself the protection you need while getting the crimes on record. Please do not let child abusers hide. We have a responsibility toro text children, and keeping abusers and abuse hidden virtually ensures many more will be harmed for life. Please act now.

    • *Cough* Neil Gaiman *cough* . . .

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Amen. I say it all the time that those who stand by and watch evil being done and do nothing are worse than the actual perpetrator.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “Here is The Way to Happiness float in this year’s Hollywood Christmas Parade. With celebrity guest Michelle Stafford.”

    I really hate the fact that they are treated with such legitimacy here. Unsure whether you’ll need a Facebook account to watch the video.

    https://www.facebook.com/100006851028323/videos/1681060672132284/

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Not to worry, my dear. The only thing those parade fans think is legit about scientology is it’s a legitimate cult. With Going Clear and Leah Remini’s book out and Katie Holme’s Still out, more and more are realizing it’s also a legitimate criminal organization.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Hi, love πŸ™‚ Do you think the MCs are given crib notes to read from, provided by the groups behind the floats? That can be the only reason they sound like a Scientology mouthpiece, right?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I have participated in community parades here in the States. Yes, the organizer of each unit provides the spiel to be delivered by the emcees. I have watched some rather pathetic units go by as the announcers tried to keep a straight face reading the hyperbole in the the supplied text.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            That sounds like my kind of entertainment, Doug πŸ™‚

          • jazzlover

            Makes you wonder. With all we are told about how important an education is for freeing the mind to think creatively, why are we still encouraged to be followers, rather than leaders?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          If there isn’t a script, it isn’t scientology! Maybe if enough people complain this year, this float will get the boot finally! It’s like the KKK floating on down Sunset Blvd.!

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Never a truer word…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Sorry to see that poor CriCri is still imprisoned by his cruel Scientology masters. Some day, Cricri, you will be free to sing and play again!

      (refresh)

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Poor Cri-Cri, enslaved by the Cray-Cray.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      I thought Scientologist children wanted Jettero Heller and Countess Krak doll sets for Christmas.

      Danny Sherman ought to get to work rewriting and editing down L. Ron Hubbard’s “Mission Earth” into a chiildren’s book series, and edit out the adult content out of “Mission Earth” and turn it into a children’s palatable reading experience.

      Hubbard was just so backfiring in what Hubbard came out with, his final fiction writings are a huge untold embarrassment of ideas if the “Mission Earth” books of Hubbard were reviewed in detail.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Edit the most perfectly written science fiction series of all time? I’m reporting you to Ethics for suggesting squirreling of such magnitude! Hubbard used just as many words as were needed to convey his amazing complex thoughts. It only seems wordy due to your limited vocabulary and ability to comprehend him.

      • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

        Simplifying stories and tales for the little ones has a long and honorable history. My favorite title, which I found many years ago at an old used book store:

        http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Publication/v4/a9/eb/8d/a9eb8d1d-0544-cd57-12e6-bc1deb07de50/cover225x225.jpeg

      • ze moo

        I read the first one, loaned from my local library. I will never, willingly, read another book in that series. And I read Battlefield Earth cover to cover. There is only so much literary torture one should have endure.

        I place Ayn Rand in that basket too……

    • jazzlover

      No FB account needed. And I completely agree with you. That is kind of sleazy and disgusting, especially considering how the on-site hosts seem so blatantly clueless to the whole thing.

      • Kestrel

        Maybe they’re not clueless. Maybe they know they can’t reject the float without getting into a drawn-out legal battle if they do.

        • jazzlover

          I understand that SciFi is exceedingly litigious. Although I don’t know who sponsors the Hollywood Christmas parade, I’m pretty sure that whoever does has the right to accept or reject an application for inclusion in the parade without having to explain its reasoning. Since any holiday parade is usually privately funded, it isn’t really seen as a god-given right. If these were government affairs (which they never are here), it might be a different story.

    • Sid

      Amazingly, my version of the Hubbard Declaration of Peace is still up on the Galaxy Press Facebook page if anyone wants to head over and throw in a few ‘ Likes’ or comments of support.

      Edit to add: Well, it’s been taken down. It lasted one full day. I hope someone read it and maybe felt the need to contact family, although in Scientology that might be a stretch.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Amazing, indeed!

        Declaration of Peace (Variation)
        HEAR ME!!

        Out of the hell of life’s pell mell,
        Out of this chaos of contention,
        Let us bring peace to pointless fight.
        Why do we court the whore disconnection?
        Why make of family a shattered night?
        There is no ecstasy in family chilling.
        Love alone can make one willing.

        So hear me sons, hear me mothers.
        There is no pay in disconnected brothers.
        Attention, if your sense is fair,
        heed that which we now declare.

        PEACE! Your families far and wide. PEACE!
        Abandon your false and specious chide
        and now abide in peace!

        Echo me!
        As in your hearts you yearn for love, not disconnection!
        PEACE, we have declared it.

        Snarls and strife must be at end!
        In peace alone can this Family mend.
        And now find ecstasy in love, love for Family, for all.

        The gods of peace have now spoken.
        LISTEN!

        A variation on:
        β€”L. Ron Hubbard

        (β€œDeclaration of Peace” from the soundtrack album to the book Battlefield Earth)

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      That needs a shoop containing the many steps to happiness as carried out in the Cherch of scientology.
      1) disconnection 2) extortion 3) fraud 4) solitary confinement 5) 3rd mortages decked out with maxed out credit cards 6) coerced abortions 7) the anti-christ 8) slavery 9) toxic amounts of vitamins and more like LOVE AND HELP CHILDREN to live in chain lockers and work 18 hour days at the age of 8.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Pobre Cri-Cri!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    That’s right, Dan Sherman was the actual author of the opening lines of Genesis, from the Bible πŸ˜€

    • Well he does have a silver mullet from the Gods!

      • jazzlover

        Amazingly, that comes in pretty handy for deflecting random foot-bullets πŸ˜‰

        • like tin foil, but 47X stronger!!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Like Samson? Hand me my scissors!

    • Therefore, in full-scope, utterly, and in total, we therefore reach levels of wordiness never before achieved on the entire whole track, and beyond, making this, the freshest OT Word Salad, saturated with the purest LRH dressing that you’ve ever been forced to eat. But that’s not even the full story, for in 2016 Scientologists will be on their way to new Ideal Word Salad Barsβ„’ in 40,000 locations worldwide, absolutely on Source and lemony fresh for the first time since the late Marcab Empire (audience rises to feet as Price is Right theme plays and shiny, shiny 3D graphics fly)

      • salin

        Bravo on the grandiose verbosity, happy word-clearing Scieno World!

    • Alice Graves

      That explains everything – it would have had to be someone just as long winded.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Was Dan Sherman a past-life Charles Dickens? Because that might also explain the opening of a Tale of Two Cities. (Full disclosure: this past-life English major has always identified Dickens as a personal nemesis.)

      • beauty for ashes

        O/t~ I saw a brilliant movie of “Little Dorrit” by Charles Dickens, and got a used copy of it on Amazon. When it arrived, it was giant heavy and intimidating. Have you read it?
        **can you give me a plausible excuse to never read it?**** πŸ™‚

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          It’s Dickens. That alone qualifies as your plausible excuse. ; )

          I’ve never read Little Dorrit, no. I only read Dickens when forced. Little Dorrit was originally published as a serial, which may explain its encyclopedic length. Well, that and the fact that Dickens never met a sentence he couldn’t turn into a paragraph.

          Sorry, I’m a bad person to ask because I’m thoroughly biased. I never understood his appeal. I’m not a big fan of Victorian writers in general, though–too mannered, too much fluff.

          • beauty for ashes

            I thoroughly enjoyed your explanation of your dislike. πŸ™‚
            ” Well, that and the fact that Dickens never met a sentence he couldn’t turn into a paragraph.” I think I have found my excuse!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I’m glad I could be of service!

              If you’re still looking for a mid-late 19th century writer of epic tomes who is worth the time and effort, I vote Tolstoy–War & Peace, specifically. It’s got a little bit of everything on the surface–part romance, part historical fiction, part philosophical treatise–and more beneath the surface. Tolstoy was also one of the first novelists to really internalize and illustrate aspects of the burgeoning study of psychology to his characters and their motivations and behaviors. The epilogues (yes, plural, because epilogues are like potato chips apparently) are tedious and probably not necessary, but stretches of the novel are just brilliant. Sometimes the classics are considered classics for good reason.

            • beauty for ashes

              Is it okay if I just go back to reading Amy Pohler’s book “Yes Please”? She has long stretches of funny complaining, and awesome NY improv theatre history?

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Sounds like an excellent choice!

            • beauty for ashes

              You know, it really is!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Dan Sherman contributed the line “amber waves of grain” to ‘America The Beautiful’ in an ode to COB’s hair. πŸ˜€

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    A friend has said that Going Clear will finally appear on Australian television. She doesn’t say when.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Keep working on her – she’ll crack and tell you in the end πŸ˜‰

    • ze moo

      Going Clear has been repeated on HBO in the last month. It should pop up at seemingly random times for the next few years.

    • noseinabk

      It is also available at the Google play store for $4.99. If someone already has an account they can get 75% off 1 movie before the 6th.

      https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Going_Clear_Scientology_and_the_Prison_of_Belief?id=awNWfIKKIBo&hl=en

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Will probably air on the ABC. It’s the public broadcasters that usually carry HBO programs overseas. So sophisticated is HBO.

      People seem to forget that HBO was synonymous with uncut movies and softcore-porn-disguised-as-reality-shows just twenty years ago.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Oooo I’ll bet the viewing party at Senator Xenophon’s house is going to be off the hook. πŸ™‚

    • Juicer77

      Someone posted here (yesterday?) to say it was airing that night. Or I could be drunk again. Blame the Skittles.

    • Eleventy

      It aired on the 26th of December. And is now streaming on Presto.

  • what’sup

    I’m out for a few weeks bunkeroos, it’s seems I’ve come down with a bad case of giving a shit about the general fuckery that’s occurring here. Happy New Year and I’ll see you all in 2016.

    This made me crack up, so I’m sharing. Please spare me the “you UN-PC Aussie shithead” spiel, I already know all about it. F5

    • Qbird

      You go have you some fun, ‘Sup OZ-man ~ and we’ll c ya in the new year.

    • Draco

      Enjoy your break ‘Sup. I am thinking of doing the same thing, however, I’ll probably lurk πŸ™‚

    • Juicer77

      Will miss you, Sup. Have a good break!

  • Sejanus

    Dan Sherman, what a nutsack.

    • Sid

      So random. So funny.

  • aquaclara

    If you’re on the fence, under the radar or generally lurking, consider that the ONLY person in Scientology who has not had to pay a single penny for anything is David Miscavige.

    He will NEVER be sent to the RPF, the RPF’s RPF, or have to scrub a toilet with a toothbrush.
    He will NEVER experience the conditions of having far too little sleep, far too little money and far too little toilet paper.
    He will NEVER face thousands of hours of sec checks, or pole-running or risk his health with overdoses of niacin.
    He will NEVER be raked over the coals for his Thursday at 2 stats.

    And he will NEVER be forced to disconnect from his family. Of course, that’s because he banished them (Shelly) or for many, they left the church.

    Hmmm, what does that tell you? Make 2016 your year. Call for help if you need it.

    • Newiga

      Lurker-lees and lurker-loos, blow today and you don’t have to sit through the bore-fest that is DM’s New Year’s “Shermon”.

  • Pamela M.

    I came across some online petitions aimed at revocation of the tax exemption of CofS. One is at whitehouse.gov (we the people) and the site says that the petition has been archived due to not meeting signature requirements. There is also one at change.org that “has been closed”. The site states it had eight (8!!!) supporters and that 5,000 signatures had been required…..What is going on? All of the videos on YouTube and ex-Scientologists rabid about the damage done and yet there is next to no support for revocation?This seems so pathetic.

  • nottrue
    • ze moo

      Modern psychiatry has many heroes. Robert L. Spitzer was one of them.

      β€œHe saw how important it was, and his whole career led to assessment being taken seriously.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/us/robert-spitzer-psychiatrist-who-set-rigorous-standards-for-diagnosis-dies-at-83.html

      • MissCandle

        Thank you for posting Spitzer’s obit. I read it this a.m. and was truly impressed with him and his lifelong work to develop objective and consistent diagnostic tools for mental illness.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      “Voted-on behaviors?” Are they trying to construe medical consensus as a popularity contest?

    • Juicer77

      Seething.
      Tell that to my brain chemistry, you IDIOTS.
      Hooray for Mr. O’Toolbox!

  • villagedianne

    I just re-read the story about Brian Sheen. I’m glad we’ll be hearing more from him in the next year.

  • Observer

    Hey, anyone have someone they want to restimulate on the Wall of Fire?

    Refresh

    EDIT: curse you, Disqus!

    • Sherbet

      Yowza!

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I was thinking of making wallpaper with flames on it, and calling it “Wall Of Fire”.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Paint a layer of rocket fuel on your living room wall and light a match. Works every time.

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    I can only think of video with Nibs saying that he and Daddy Dearest wrote up courses and lectures on the fly and delivered them days later to packed rooms with top dollar paid by those in attendance. Think of the difference between those events and TUML events, also packed venues. We only bought margaritas and a truly researched book!

    • Juicer77

      On the fly, while Daddy Dearest fed Junior lots of hallucinogenic drugs!

  • Totally off-topic, but was looking at the original post of the Scientology Day Care story, was looking at the comments, and saw Tony’s comment about Brian Sheen. So I went to Brian’s website, and…. F5

    Anyone know what’s going on?

    • His briansheen.com website is still up, and it looks remarkably like he’s competing with his former cult in the quantum quackery department.

      • Science Doc

        I concur:

        I have been involved with alternative and complementary medicine since 1970 when I experienced first hand the ability of the mind to cure my migraine headaches, cure a phobia of swimming, remove problems with drug usage and resolve lifelong anxiety and shyness. After experiencing these personal levels of healing, I then spent the better part of the next 34 years learning the most advanced principles for healing the spirit-mind connection to help others cure their unwanted mental and physical conditions. I have helped many cure their addiction to drugs, alcohol and medications to eradicate depression, colitus, migraine headaches, hypo and hyper thyroid conditions, ulcers, heart disease, cancer, anxiety-panic disorders, endocrine imbalances, unwanted habits such as smoking, overeating and eating disorders as well as immune deficiencies. I often works with medical doctors, chiropractors, acupuncturists, physical therapists, nutritionists and other modalities of profession healers to take a multi-faceted approach to the whole person. About Brian

        – See more at: http://www.briansheen.com/#sthash.wV42sphb.dpuf

        • pat k

          Thanks for taking that hit Sci Doc…I am surrounded by woo and cannot seek out more. I do believe the mind has power over our body. I know real western medicine can be life saving. Some universities are using MRI & other ways to access the brain’s activity n certain controlled situations and changing long held thoughts on the brain. But I just cannot do that site.

          • To the best of our knowledge, the mind is an epiphenomenon of the body (brain). That said, I’ve experienced the placebo effect in powerful, almost magical-seeming ways. But, now I know better than to believe there’s some dualistic phenomenon happening. We are making huge progress in neurology and the studies of the human brain, but the going is slow and methodical. Our brains are the most complicated systems in the known universe.

        • villagedianne

          Good words, ScienceDoc. The mind can cure the body. Otherwise there would be no placebo effect.

          • He was quoting Sheen’s site. Those aren’t his words.

            • Science Doc

              I hope those aren’t my words. Usually in the beginning of dementia, language skills merely erode rather than enter another dimension of time, space, and self importance. I’d go with merely erode every time.

      • salin

        I remember reading that. Interesting.

        But that doesn’t change his situation and the abusive practice of disconnection that he now is subjected to.

      • Supper Powers

        Yeah it’s frustrating. We hold in common our disdain for CoS and the disconnection brought down on him and his daughter. But when I read his website, I get the impression he’s just another con man looking for a greasy buck at the expense of people looking for genuine peace. Sad. I suspect he has a list of people who have fell victim to his charade, too. None the less, I hope that he and and his daughter will reunite and she will come out from behind the wall. Nobody deserves that. Not even another charlatan.

      • Yeah, but his business website has nothing on the disconnection issue.

        • It does make one wonder if he’s settled or changed tactics.

  • Re-read the daycare story and was filled with dread once again. It’s utterly frustrating that this red hot story was posted and nobody, not even a tabloid would pick it up. In the end, it sounded like Ellen just wanted it to be over at that point, her daughter was older and the memories fading. But do memories of abuse ever actually fade? I don’t think so, not to mention the issue of disconnection from Ellen’s parents.

    And DayCareMom and Son are still out there. I’m guessing that Son was “treated” by Scientology, which means absolutely nothing was done to deal with his illness. That’s perhaps the most frightening part of this story. Even with the best treatment psychology has to deal with pedophiles, the likelihood of re-offending is sadly, pretty high. With Scientology as the treatment, well, you do the math.

    • pat k

      I had my children in a private school. It was great. Then there was a change of guard an it became abusive ( mental & physical). My county would not take the case & I removed my children from the situation & withheld further payment. The sued for remaining tuition. I allowed my children to testify in mediation and face their abusers with a third party present. They now tell me that was more critical than therapy. The abuse was control & deprivation (bathroom privileges for second graders withheld!) but wrong. They were told to keep quiet. When the info got to this momma bear they watched their world change. Now my daughter wants to put grand baby in daycare …..I’m always watching! In the end only our kindness matters. My children KNOW that.

    • Even with the best treatment psychology has to deal with pedophiles, the likelihood of re-offending is sadly, pretty high.

      This is debatable. Why is it debatable?

      1) It assumes the boy is a pedophile, i.e. someone whose primary sexual attraction is children. He might be, or he might not be. We don’t know. He could just be confused (I gather that the messages you get about sexuality in Scientology aren’t, well, normal for the 21st Century).

      2) It assumes that pedophiles don’t learn. Some do, and stop offending before they get caught. I know of one case where that is apparently what happened. A victim came forward. Heavy investigation by the police did not turn up any further victims. Of course they may have missed someone, or the other victims may not have wanted to come forward. But based on the supposed figures (as gathered by researchers) as to average number of victims, odds are that another victim would have come forward, unless the offender had stopped offending. And no, he wasn’t in jail for another crime.

      3) It assumes that the pedophile’s sexuality is totally fixed, and cannot change. Sexuality in most people is fluid, changing their views on what is sexy as they age, and as things happen. At one point my view of what was super sexy was a fourteen year old girl. When I hit fifteen, it was a fifteen year old girl. Now I find sixty year old women sexy… I have a friend who was only interested in men. Then she got interested in women. Now she’s bisexual. You could argue that she was bisexual all along, but she says her interests only swung to ‘Both’ about ten years back, and she’s the one who would know.

      None of which makes what happened to Ellen and her child any less nasty. I just wanted to point out that we still know very little about Pedophilia. What little we know is from the small number of pedophiles who’ve been caught, and most often convicted of the crime. We know nothing about the ones who haven’t been caught.

      FYI, I have strong interest in the subject. I was sexually abused by an older male relative, and I’ve been researching the subject for a long time.

      For any men who have been abused, the book, Rebuilding Your House of Self Respect: Men Recovering in Group from Childhood Sexual Abuse was recommended to me by my therapist. I’ve been trying to read it, but having a really hard time doing so. Reading about other people’s problems is easy. Reading about my own causes my mind to shut down.

      But I’m still working on it.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’m with you, Artoo. Reading this story for the second time is making me no less angry than the first. I was so hoping at the time that other media outlets would pick it up, especially since we were just a few months post-Going Clear, scientology abuses had become a hot topic, there was a celebrity connection (though unnamed), and we’re talking about the safety of children here. And yet, a mere 5 months later, Legoland has Jenna Elfman lighting its Xmas tree in the name of children and human rights. It’s enough to make me wonder if justice isn’t just a fiction.

  • Jimmy3

    Hah, people were mad about Derek’s post? U mad, thetan? Ur meat body is all upset and bothered?

    U gotta find Xenu, bro. Stop smoking that hubb and find Xenu.

    • seriouslyWTF

      Which post?

      • Jimmy3

        The bunker article on July 24. Tony mentions that some former scientologists were upset about it.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Off-Topic: Okay, sorry to pepper Tony and the gang with more HowdyCon questions. (I’ve been working all month on finishing a comic, so I haven’t been here often.) I know the logo contest will be resolved on New Year’s Day. Anybody have more details on what’s going down with HowdyCon? Any guests we would wanna know about but wouldn’t because the surprise would be ruined?

    • Jimmy3

      Not confirmed, but rumor has it that ALF will be there.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Never seen a single episode of that show.

        • How fortunate you are.

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            My only personal experience with ALF is when I was in elementary school and threw up all over myself in the middle of class. I was given an ALF t-shirt from the lost and found at the nurse’s office.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        So, what’s he up to now?

        • salin

          Rumor has it he might have a report from Ron from Target 2.

        • Jimmy3

          Last I talked to him, he was on a cat bender. Ate like 47 cats before he passed out.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Yup, yup ,yup – been there, done that, lol. I had to stop though – cats go straight to my thighs.

      • Sid

        Alf aka Xenu?

      • seriouslyWTF

        Seriously? Thee Gordon Shumway? For reals?

      • Supper Powers

        Sweet. That lil fucker owes me $5.

    • pat k

      I made my reservation. Who else?

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Where do you make a reservation, or other arrangements? I’m saving my money for a comic convention artist’s alley, either in Baltimore or maybe Vancouver. I have heard people offering to carpool to Cleveland.

        • pat k

          Try howdy con dot com

  • 9001

    OT. Inspired by the kiwi laser flag. For Dodo, and the Bunker. (F5)

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    How come 2015 is almost over and we haven’t has nineteen Jaws movies, hoverboards, or Evangelions? I feel cheated.

    • salin

      What is an Evangelion?

    • B4you

      It’s all a Scam! Everything is real!

    • Robert Eckert

      We’ve had bad imitations of hoverboards which blow up, and Biff is still the leading candidate for President, so obviously Marty didn’t quite fix the time-line right.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Correction: Hillary is the leading candidate for president. I’m going to pretend Biff doesn’t exist until the primaries are over.

  • Wuh-woh, Lil Tommy Crude is selling his St. Hill-ish estate. Maybe he’s joining the Sea Ogres? (He’s been selling a good bit of real estate lately.) http://variety.com/2015/dirt/real-estalker/tom-cruise-lists-estate-near-london-1201668039/

    • Juicer77

      He’s been unloading real estate like Noah before the flood. I think he’s exorcising the thetans (bad memories) in his old hangouts.

      • villagedianne

        I was thinking that too. Maybe these places are all a reminder that he has no one to share them with.

        On the other hand, perhaps he is expecting an upcoming global mayhem/apocalypse in the highly unlikely (sarcasm) event that Scientology doesn’t succeed in clearing the planet. He might be preparing an underground bunker for real.

      • And memories of Sea Orgers working for him for free, perhaps.

        • Juicer77

          Nah, he’ll just have them slaving away on his new place, wherever it is.

    • Supper Powers

      Maybe he’s selling it to DM.

      • salin

        Or just to get more liquid revenue to give to the IAS – he’s way behind Big Being Duggan in status.

        • Supper Powers

          Yeah, I’m suspicious. Why would DM allow this prized property near St Hill go when it could be in his portfolio and further capitalized on?

    • Liberated

      Maybe TC is selling off his real estate cause he’s finally going to move in with Uncle Davey. Dave will be his financial adviser, his career agent, and most importantly his no. 1 best bud. I mean he already is his personal pimp. Ah, the future is bright!

      • Allie

        And just think how much fun they’d have playing Tom’s favs -hide & seek and baking cookies.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    TOP SECRET FREEWINDS ONLY OTIX — OTXV LEVELS

    OTIX: Cause Over Entropy. On this level OTIX’s sand and refinish the teak decks of the MV Freewinds to demonstrate in the MEST universe this secret: The thetan alone controls entropy. He or she cancels entropy in their area by refinishing the “walkways and paths of life” by handling MEST from a causation point of sanding, refinishing, and varnishing to a glossy sheen as needed.

    OTX EP: The glistening teak decks of the MV Freewinds become a metaphor for the glistening sheen of the OT who is cause over entropy.

    OTX: The The Overt of Forgetting. On this level, the OT is asked how they could have been so out ethics as to have mocked up the MEST universe and then promptly forgot that they did so. How does a being forget mocking up something as big as the MEST universe?

    The answer is on OTX and it this: The being forgot to write it down, and, per the Founder, if it is not in writing it is not true. Therefore, the thetan himself or herself has come to believe that the MEST universe is not true because there exists no written references for it. Thus, on OTX the true references of the universe are read in the top secret OTX water closet aboard the Freewinds. The primary secret reference of the MEST universe is to, “flow power to COB via the IAS.”

    OTX EP:The OTX cognites that the secret of OT POWER is to write things down on a to do list in order to not forget to fully handle what they themselves have created. The “To Do” list is the biggest breakthrough in this sector of the universe in 250 billion years.

    OTXI -OTXV and involves a massive handling of Scientology’s prime planetary MEST so that one never forgets again that one mocked up MEST. These levels are group processes done by groups of OTX completions.

    OTXI: Cause Over MEST Machinery. On this level one realizes that while the MEST universe is highly automated, the MEST machinery is actually run by OT’s. One drills this level by working in the engine and boiler rooms of The Freewinds for at least three months on 20 hour shifts. This to give a person a reality on machinery and automata. One cognites that their body and mind are machines as is all of MEST.

    The EP is a cognition to the effect that, “MEST is a giant machine that has to be operated and maintenanced and regular intervals by OT’s to work properly.”

    Proficiency on OTXI is demonstrated by showing the case supervisor that one can remove the rocker arm covers on The Freewinds engines in order to oil and clean the rocker arm assemblies, including adjusting the tappets and spring assemblies on the upper rocker arms to eliminate the noises which bother COB when he is onboard. The engine tech manual needs to consulted and a torque wrench and other tools, purchased at the student’s cost, are needed. Torque the spring assemblies to 30 foot pounds or until the “tatatatatatatatatata” sound goes away. Lubricate as needed. Replace rocker arm covers — take care to properly apply the gaskets first.

    OTXII: MEST has moving parts that need maintenance and repair to ensure that the Games Condition of Theta survives across all Dynamics. On this level, one understands that, having mocked up the MEST, one must fix and maintain it as needed,”Including overhauling the engines of The Freewinds at scheduled intervals.”

    The student travels to Curacao when the Freewinds is in port for a scheduled overhaul and demonstrates proficiency of OTXII by working with others OTXII’s on a group process called, “Fix Planets by Intention.”

    The students create a reality by agreement and mock up that the engines of The Freewinds are planets that need OT’s to fix them. The students tear down the engines of the ship to their crankshafts, which they then remove with the overhead crane in the drydock. The crankshafts are then taken to a local machine shop and milled as needed to .01 tolerances at the expense of the group.

    The OTXII’s then rebuild the engines of The Freewinds as needed, including replacing pistons, piston seals, oil pumps, hydraulic parts and other wear and tear parts per the, “OTXII Marine Engine Tech Manual.” There is no pain, only joy, in rebuilding the engines on SO ships,” per HCOB 10572.

    EP: Students mutually cognite and attest on the EP that, “MEST has moving parts that need maintenance and repair to ensure that the Games Condition of Theta survives across all Dynamics.”

    OTXIII: The MEST Universe is Savagely Encrusted With BT’s. On this level students learn just how “really fixedly attached are BT’s” by doing a demo on the thousands of barnacles attached to the hull of The Freewinds.

    “The Barnacle Process” is run by chipping off barnacles to get a reality on how savagely BT’s have clustered to the “hulls and pilings of the universe over the last 47 billion billion billion years.” The endless twenty hour days spent scraping barnacles of The Freewinds shows, “Just how savagely the countless BT’s in this universe persist when not handled by OT XIII’s,” per an HCOB so confidential that no one is allowed to read it except for COB and Ted Delusion over in the Comps Unit.

    When the hull of the MV Freewinds is barnacle-free, the group of OTXIII’s cognite on what the “basic BT free universe looks like.”

    EP: The MEST universe can, in an ultimate and final sense, only be handled by OT’s working in a group for no pay and at their own expense. This is the essence of Scientology.

    DANGER ZONE: OTXIV MUST BE RUN immediately following OTXIII! The EP of OTXIV is to, “Cognite on what the universe will look like when 100% Standard Tech is applied.” The students demo on the hull of The Freewinds by applying high gloss blue marine enamel paint to the hull of The Freewinds, “At and below the waterline where barnacles have been removed.” White marine enamel is applied to the rest of the ship after it too has been sanded, prepped, and undercoated. The paint is to be, per the exact tech of this level, “Applied evenly to all exposed surfaces,” and the process is repeated until there are, “Seven coats of paint on the hull of The Freewinds and it is ready to sail again” per “How to Paint Ship Hulls Study Tech ” published by BPI and compiled from Source writings.

    The students cognite that The Freewinds is Scientology: One of the few entheta free places in the universe in addition to Flag and the Model Ideal Orgs. As such, Scientology’s MEST must be cared for in every way.” Students realize that it is a honor to serve the Scientology’s MEST they mocked up so that the universe — which they mocked up but overtedly forgot about but then remembered on OTX — can be cleared on all Dynamics on OTXIV.

    OTXV: The Secret Midnight Exteriorization Process. OTXV’s confront and accept the need to fully exteriorize to help Source on T2. Accordingly, in a secret ceremony at midnight far offshore and in international waters, the OTXV’s sign a contract that, “releases CST, CSI, RTC, and all other Scientology organizations and corporations, from the effects of the 100% Standard OT XV Rundown.”

    In the highly confidential “Sack Rundown” OTXV’s are placed in weighted burlap sacks which are sewn shut with heavy-gauge nylon sail repair thread. The OT’s are then overboarded from the stern of The Freewinds and fully exteriorize within 30-90 seconds at depths from 100 to 300 feet.

    Just before full and irreversible exteriorization in total watery darkness, the EP is realized: “The body does not survive, but I do.” Tone 40.0 is immediately attained as the student enters the “T2 Org” where Source
    personally greets them with a hearty, “Well Done” and then puts them to work handling T2.

    OTXV is an awesome level to say the least.

    Note: SO and Staff over 50 years of age or in bad health automatically qualify for the Sack Rundown. The Sack Rundown is guaranteed to fix all problems across all Dynamics. The Sack Rundown will crack the hardest cases and shatter all suppression.

    The Church of Scientology is, in its final sense, then, all about permanent exteriorization after the being has been completely depleted of all work units and money units in the service of the Church. There is no higher calling anywhere in this universe.

    Splurge.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      So basically, the Fleecewinds needs some work done and COB doesn’t pay for things, he charges for them. I am totally duplicating you Sir.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Stephanie, you are soooo OT with your perfect duplication.

    • salin

      Does COB have plans to pilot each of these levels?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Salin, COB had others do the pilots because he was too busy accepting five Nobel prizes, rewriting the UN Charter, and bringing peace to the Middle East and other global hotspots with his TWTH campaigns. However, COB and Ted Delusion in the Comps Units did the compiling. Well, actually, COB had to fix Ted’s endless mistakes, but then again COB has to do everything himself doesn’t he?

        • Mockingbird

          COB does everything good everywhere and simultaneously isn’t around when anything goes wrong and knew nothing about it. He has absolute authority over Scientology and the Sea Org and runs it like a well oiled machine. One which doesn’t exist at all when facing any legal liability.

        • salin

          Let’s see, he’s up for the Nobel in Ecclesiastical Editing; for Chemical Displacement, Psychological Eradication, and the one for Big Beingness. What the fifth one be?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            COB won his fifth Nobel for Legal Fuckery Papal Leadership.

            • salin

              aside – the first comment cracked me up; rereading the strike out – cracked up even harder.

        • OOkpik

          Just like Tom Cruise…he does all his own tricks.

    • Mockingbird

      Geez, I am feeling rundown just reading all this. I think I am all through with Scientology. Thanks.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Mockingbird, you’re so close to having a massive and epochal breakthrough of magnitudes to OT if you can just push through overwhelm, boredom, and antagonism towards COB. The way out is the way through. Please see the reg.

        • beauty for ashes

          Bunker word of the day
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          Wait~ that wasn’t helpful what is an epoch? ..just let me copy/ paste….
          Epoch.com – Credit Card Processing and Customer Billing …
          http://www.epoch.com
          Toooootally makes sense!

    • Mockingbird

      This reminds me of the Heaven’s Gate rundown and the Jim Jones exteriorization process.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Shouldn’t participants of the Sack Rundown who have worldly goods (Sea Org members are obviously exempt) be required to name RTC as the sole beneficiary in their last will and testament before hand?

      • salin

        How did COB miss that fine step when completing the Ecclesiastical Editing?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        By the time Sack Rundown particpants reach this level they have no worldly goods. This is why “Abandonment of All Worldly Goods” is a mandatory OTXV prep step.

        Abandoning all worldly goods includes surrendering all gold fillings, wedding rings, and even having one’s head shaved as COB can sell the hair.

        • Dr_Orpheus

          I feel foolish for asking that question.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            There are no foolish questions. There are only foolish OT’s who are unwilling to sell a kidney or a lung to move up to their next highest IAS status.

    • Sid

      “How does a being forget mocking up something as big as the MEST universe? The answer is on OTX and it this: The being forgot to write it down, and, per the Founder, if it is not in writing it is not true. Therefore, the thetan himself or herself has come to believe that the MEST universe is not true because there exists no written references for it.”

      F#$%king Brilliant!

      In the beginning there was a pen, and it was a burlwood pen, and it was full of ink, and it wrote upon low acidic long lasting archival parchment. But there was acid on the paper, and the paper didn’t last, and the thetan got stoned because of the acid, and forgot he created the universe.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Sid, you are clearly a past life OTXV.

        • Sid

          I know right? But I did the old OT XV. You know, we didn’t have burlap back then. I’m just waiting for GAT 14 and will redo all of it.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            ROFL!!

            Sid, I think an interview of you by J. Swift would be ‘must-hear’ listening. Just a thought.

            • Sid

              That would be fun.

    • Jgg2012

      OT XVI: You must repeat OT 1-15 to confront an shatter an unexpected galactic incident.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        And on OTXVI the preclear must repeat OTXV-OT1 in reverse order all the way back to doing GAT II Reverse Life Repair at which point they become a wog, a homo sap. Whereupon, the game begins anew and Scientology offers the only way out of the trap.

        • Jgg2012

          And, when you get all the way back, you learn that the universe is actually a hamster wheel.

  • Jimmy3

    I don’t give a shit if it’s an unpopular opinion: I think we as a society should castrate convicted pedophiles.

    • Liberated

      Start with Jared.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Or, retroactively, Jimmy Savile.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
        • Liberated

          Jared always did bring in the big bucks.

        • Mockingbird

          Under the guidance of Bill Cosby and Jerry Sandusky.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            β€œWe are the experts on Public Relations,” declared Church of Scientology spokesman Ken Delusion during his press conference at the Church’s “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death” museum in Hollywood.

            β€œScientology’s approach to PR is simple: Always attack, never defend. And so Bill Cosby needs to savagely attack his attackers and find their hidden crimes. This tactic works very well for we in the Church of Scientology,” Delusion remarked.

            β€œScientology’s ecclesiastical leader Mr. David Miscavige is a leading figure of our age β€” and yet he has had to endure negative PR from haters. Thus, Mr. Miscavige highly recommends that Bill Cosby use the following proven Scientology PR lines to respond to his attackers:

            * These women were hired by Big Pharma to attack Bill Cosby due to his outspoken opposition to the wholesale psychiatric drugging of children in our schools.

            * Only criminals looking for a payday would attack the beloved Bill Cosby.

            * The people on Bill Cosby’s staff responsible for past misbehavior were terminated long ago. These unfounded and hateful allegations are old news.

            * Desperate for ratings and on the verge of bankruptcy, CNN is making sensational claims about disproven allegations that are old news.

            * Those making the allegations are bitter defrocked apostates.

            * If Humanitarian Bill Cosby were a criminal then why is he distributing millions of copies of The Way to Happiness in lands racked by the scourge of violence and drugs?

            * Bill Cosby has nothing to do with managing the daily affairs of his production company and so cannot respond to these allegations.

            * Aside from making brief appearances to dedicate orphanages and hospitals, Mr. Cosby has never been in any of the states in which his accusers live. Indeed, none of the states in which his accusers live has any jurisdiction over Mr. Cosby.

        • While some would consider Niacin-Sauna treatment as fitting punishment for pedophiles, even though considered by COB to be “treatment” (heh, heh), it would likely be found to be unconstitutional for being cruel and unusual.
          Of course it would still be available for those in society who wish to undergo it “voluntarily” (heh, heh).
          I would love to hear a testimonial by COB about his wins after doing it. Would be inspiring.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      I know that there is a chemical called Lupron that is used to chemically castrate sex offenders. I know this because a father-and-son team of yahoos in Maryland use that same chemical to treat autistic children and have lost all of their medical licenses in eight states.

      • salin

        *gasp*

      • Ach! The Geiers! Quacks and charlatans!

        • Zeruel (Sebastian)

          This guy knows what I’m talkin’ ’bout.

    • Mockingbird

      And if it turns out one is wrongfully convicted ? Got a staplegun and a hotdog ?

      • jazzlover

        Given that this is an issue that cuts a wide swath over things like mental illness, criminality and even politics, this is probably not something that should be discussed here. It’s easy to want to hurt people that hurt others, but automatically doing so renders all issues involving the field of psychology virtually meaningless and, if you think about it, feeds right into SciFi’s mantra. For whatever reason, pedophilia seems to be a problem in many cults, not just this one. THAT’S something that needs to be studied.

        • pat k

          True thing said. It really is a control issue. When I had to study this crap back n the Stone Age they knew it. Can we call an anthropological truce?

          • jazzlover

            OCD is also a control issue. I bet most here think it’s always benign.

            • pat k

              don’t make me jump on this couch and inform you about mental health jazzy!πŸ’•

            • jazzlover

              Not sure what you mean, but ok πŸ™‚

            • pat k

              Just a jab at TC ( way too many MI movies on in the background this week). I was at university in the seventies and could not believe sci was really taken on by some. lucky I had a Jesuit education and was encouraged to read about other religions. In the school of education I started to see the mind manipulation tactics that can be used and should not be abused. In the classroom there were babies with f***ed up parents. Survival skills caused me to get educated in the signs of child abuse. Finally it was required other educators no longer turn a blind eye. We have come far in understanding – the justice system has not caught up.

            • jazzlover

              You are right, but I’d say it’s more that governments in general haven’t caught up. Here where I live, everybody who is a parent in the local school district is notified whenever a convicted sex offender comes here to live post-rehabilitation. I can live with knowing who to keep my kids away from just in case, but there are 2 things I can’t live with – (a) outing them publicly in such a way gives them very little chance to turn their lives around AND (b) outing them in such a way is a direct admission by the government that it has done absolutely nothing to eliminate the cause at the root.

            • pat k

              I look back & find I was a children’s advocate early in my life. For some being the victim has been role modeled. It Is what they do in their family. Been told that it takes three generations to extinguish abuse. My children learned that open communication is never bad and they are all over 21. I am generation three btw.

            • jazzlover

              If I’m following you correctly (and I’m not sure that I am), what you seem to be saying is that no matter what is done with the sex offenders, there’s very little chance they will stop doing what they do?

            • pat k

              Yes they should be given justice when convicted. I tend to focus on prevention of any future occurrence. Teaching children to say no…fight back & speak up. Some people wear their abuse on their sleeve. Other people use it as fuel for moving forward. I hope karma finds an equilibrium for the fools.

            • pat k

              My friend has a son who did his time…how do we love him & let him live? It is a big a quandry just as how do I love my niece who won’t accept her gay son? There’s just shit in this world and how we deal with is our choice. Where I live the info on the creeps is available but not publicized to the point of outright incrimination. But the personal shame tells me the most. Is the crime of holding cocaine equal to sexually offending a child….not in my mind but it is so in the world i live in today.

            • Doc M

              No way, it can be dangerous to the patient or to others!

            • jazzlover

              Exactly my point, but not well known.

            • Doc M

              Shows how little we know about mental illness in 2015. No so different from a century ago. And I’m not talking about depression either.

        • Mockingbird

          My initial point is any extreme punishment carries responsibility for carrying it out on individuals who are later fully exonerated. If you want to dish it out to innocent people, which inevitability happens, you better be ready to face that.

          • jazzlover

            I’m just saying that nobody here is eminently qualified to pass judgment regarding this issue in an effective way. It is more societal (as Jimmy points out) than anything else. And I just don’t have the faith required to give society a final say where there are so many implications that come with such a thing. I know that we have to protect ourselves from the criminally insane. I get that. However, doing so with a “catch all” solution carries with it more bad than good. IMHO, of course.

            • Mockingbird

              I disagree. My point that ANY irreversible punishment carries responsibility for inevitability carrying it out on innocent people which cannot be ignored is valid.

              I meet people quite regularly who smugly talk about torturing or murdering suspects. Well if you do that you will do it to innocent people.

              That is unavoidable. Numerous studies on the death penalty support this. We execute innocent men and later discover our error. We also bomb and drone assassinate innocent people, nearly every day .

              So, who are we really ? What are our values ?

            • jazzlover

              I’m having trouble seeing where our disagreement is. Maybe that’s because I didn’t really address your original point directly. In other words, I agree with your disagreement πŸ™‚

            • Mockingbird

              That’s…almost Hubbardian.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. I assure you that was purely accidental. I’m as offended as the next person by crimes of this nature (or any nature). But, if we want to evolve at all, we have to be willing to accept that pure evil doesn’t just appear out of nowhere and that we don’t arbitrarily get to pick which “pure evil” is the most “punishable” without first admitting that those who dish it out may have been victimized themselves. Without that compassion, mental illness will always be stigmatized and minimized. Without that empathy, all ex’s present here would be similarly judged based on their pasts. THAT is the point as it applies here, and frankly, if I couldn’t see that, there would be little reason for me to be here.

        • Doc M

          Why not just send them to a Scientology Org, that solves all problems…right?

          • jazzlover

            Wasn’t that virtually the same thing Penn State did with Sandusky? πŸ˜‰

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Not going to happen given that coalition forces work to put them in charge of a whole country. Also, castration doesn’t stop all pedos they just use other objects which I think proves that it’s a mental illness. Rape type crimes are not usually about sexual gratification they are about control or some other psychological reasoning.

      • Jimmy3

        But is that really true for pedophiles? They don’t target kids because they’re easy to control and have power over. They’re sexually aroused by them. It is very much a sexual thing and it’s disgusting.

        • pat k

          It goes so deep into their psyche Jimmy. It would be great if we turn on a black light and see the scum like in a hotel room undercover. But it is so often family and victims of opportunity. Is the arousal due to sexual stimulation or the opportunity for control? Quite frankly I am not in a position to delve into the difference. If I can eliminate one more scarred child entering society I have a victory.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I’m going to let you brew on this:
          “The serial killer has the same personality characteristics as the sex offender against children”
          -Dr. Mace Knapp, Nevada State Prison Psychologist

          • Jimmy3

            So why are you opposed to castrating them?

            • jazzlover

              Because it is the equivalent of blaming everybody for the mental illnesses they may suffer from. It would almost be like lobotomizing everyone who suffers from depression or bipolar disorder, and is hugely indicative of why mental illness is not only widely misunderstood, but is almost always stigmatized.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s not like that at all. You prey on children, you lose your balls. It has nothing to do with bipolar disorder or depression.

            • jazzlover

              You state that with way so much casualness, that it pretty much proves my point. What I’m saying is that mentally healthy people don’t usually just decide to prey on children or commit any crime, for that matter. It takes a certain sense of “delusion” to be that brash.

            • Jimmy3

              I say it with malice. Anger. Not casualness. You’re trying to lump pedo scum in with people who struggle with depression? Wake the fuck up.

            • jazzlover

              See? I knew you’d think that. That’s why I said it would be a bad idea to have this kind of discussion here. You now think it’s ok to talk to me or anyone like that. It isn’t. I’m wide awake to the fact that not everything is alike. I’m also wide awake to the fact that neither you nor I is qualified enough to decide how to properly rank society’s ills.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Why have them out on the street at all? If we can’t cure them then why should be risking kids around them and castration hasn’t been proven to cure them.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              hasn’t been been proven

            • Jimmy3

              Why is it always about rehabilitation and cures? Whatever happened to justice? Punishment. Like some sick fucks can prey on kids and it’s okay, because we’re going to try to fix you and make you better. Fuck that. I say fix them.

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              When it comes to those who harm others (pedophiles, murderers, rapists, etc.) people tend towards rehabilitation/cures/prevention because it allows them to think the cause can be controlled. Predators commit harm due to true evil or as a result of mental illness. Notice that anytime there is a case of violence in the news the discussion always mentions mental illness because then we feel better knowing that it could possibly be prevented. Whereas with evil you cannot prevent it but you can punish it. It is agreed upon by psychiatry and psychology that pedophilia stems from mental illness and not evil.

            • Doc M

              They should be hospitalized for life to protect others as there is no treatment or cure. Isn’t that what we do do hard core criminals except they wind up in prisons.

              Opps I forgot about Criminon.

            • Doc M

              It wouldn’t help nor has it ever really helped because the problem is not originating in the gonads.

          • jazzlover

            I’m not sure that proves anything. The study of the mind is not an exact science by any stretch. I have been told by a few people with some knowledge and who I respect that the overwhelming majority of us have characteristics associated with at least 5 of the 10 personality disorders. Brew on that.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Judging from myself and the people I’ve met that’s probably right.

            • jazzlover

              So then, how would you feel about being judged or casually cast aside?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I’m not against trying to help them but unless we can come up with a proven solution to the problem it’s best not allow them the opportunity to hurt others because their mental illness. Same with people who have violent psychotic breaks and refuse to take their medicine.

            • jazzlover

              Let me know when governments worldwide come up with a solution that puts universal care into state-run mental institutions. It’s not a coincidence that our impression of them are as if they exist in a creepy Alfred Hitchcock movie.

        • Davka

          Jimmy, once upon a time when I was a practicing lawyer, I did guardianship and commitment work, among other things, and one of our court appointed clients was an alleged pedophile. Nicest most harmless guy you could meet on the surface, looked like he wouldn’t hurt a fly. And mentally ill. And committed in a mental hospital.

          While I certainly understand the sentiment, I truly don’t think it would solve the problem. It might make us collectively feel better for a moment or two to avenge the awful cruelty committed upon children by a predator, but then what?

          Edit to add: it is about power and control – that is often what causes the arousal, I think.

          Blech. I want to take little miss D and go live in a bubble.

    • Draco

      Fuck castration – take the entire tackle.

    • Rick (“fReSh”)

      Agree with Jim. Child molesters and rapists should be sent to Syberia.. Stalin style no sympathy no exceptions!
      *Rick in Indy*

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Siberia.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          maybe, rick is polish?

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            Is he?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I don’t know but Syberia is the correct spelling in polish.

        • Rick (“fReSh”)

          Yeah that place too..

    • Liberated

      See what you started.

    • And will you keep us updated on your efforts in real life to bring this about, or are you just blowing off steam?

    • Doc M

      Why, it wouldn’t stop their behavior.

      Why not remove the pituitary so the process of sex hormone creation stops,

      And while we’re at it, lets lobotomize all schizophrenics and other psychotics.

      And since some forms of cervical cancer might be caused by some forms of herpes viruses, lets remove all penises and vaginas. And there are irresponsible HIV positive people having sex without protection, let’s kill them.

      The point. Pedophilia is an illness and if necessary they should be locked away in a hospital for their life as there really isn’t a good treatment.

      Oh hell, why not kill all people who are sick. Make life easier.

      Okay, I know pedophilia is morally repugnant, but it’s still an illness of which the pedophile has no control. Lets think rationally and not emotionally.

    • Robert Eckert

      Child molestation has a higher rate of false convictions than any other crime. A friend of mine died in prison over a false accusation. The hell of it was, the judge and DA knew perfectly well who was really abusing that boy.

      • stillgrace2

        Sadly, I know what you wrote is true.

    • noseinabk

      You are being far too kind. I see the posts from people below who want to point out all the innocent. I know 2 people who have been falsely accused by previously abused children and I still don’t understand why we as a society are supposed to try to fix these people.

  • OOkpik

    Scientology is but a maggot in a rotting corps. It has killed it’s host and, now being barred from seeking sustenance elsewhere or reproducing, has sealed its fate. Nothing will remain but the stink.

    Aging and ill Sea Ogres will eventually pass away leaving their SO kids and grand-kids to their fate.
    Those who don’t escape are forbidden to interact meaningfully with the outside world or to have children.
    Regular staff will increasingly be replaced by or converted to Sea Ogres.
    With the exception of whales, new public are not being serenaded effectively. They are becoming educated about the scam of Scientology and no longer provide a target-rich environment.
    Escapees and dissenters are being hunted down and rendered impotent or turned into active opponents.
    The Scientology corps is festooned with lawyers waging endless battles.

    Stick a fork in it. It’s done! It will not rise again.
    Hail Xenu!

    • Liberated

      The older escapees aren’t even eligible for social security. They’ve worked their entire adult lives —-for What?—-It really is sad.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I saw two older SO on Hollywood blvd. It was pretty sad.

        • Liberated

          You mean Elron didn’t offer a pension plan?

          • MostEthicalPimp

            no, because in he’s own words what he was selling was more valuable than gold and any price was unfair exchange!

            • Liberated

              Oh Sure—-guess I forgot.

          • MostEthicalPimp

            Seriously,If I see them on the street and I’m walking not driving. I’m going to ask them if they plan on retiring soon. And how wonderful their retirement must be given that their working for such a ethical organisation and all the hard work they must have put in. The church must have a very nice home ready for them. etc.

            • Liberated

              The reason isolation and eventually disconnection are so important to the survival of the cult is because an outside family member would naturally try and talk some “common sense” into their heads. Can’t have that.

          • MostEthicalPimp

            The real sad part is that these two in their 50+ years had to look around to make sure no was watching when they started holding hands. Truly a sick group.

            • Liberated

              That’s really fucked -up.

      • OOkpik

        I agree. They are sucked dry and left twisting in the wind. If they are to be rescued or helped, it won’t be by their “church”. Sad indeed.

      • OOkpik

        I agree. They are sucked dry and left twisting in the wind. If they are to be rescued or helped, it won’t be by their “church”. Sad indeed.

      • ze moo

        They can get SSI, about 750/month currently.

        • Liberated

          I had no idea.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          So if they leave the sea org, they can make $500 more a month by doing nothing more than leaving?

  • Rick (“fReSh”)

    How the hell did the east coast go from 69-ish degrees to 37 degrees in 12 hours!?!?
    Brrrrrrrrrrr!

    • Jgg2012

      Global warming?

      • Rick (“fReSh”)

        Exactly!

    • BraveBloggers

      Wish it was 37 on my part of the East Coast (where it should be that temp or lower.). I received another damn mosquito bite today. A matched pair! And I killed 2.

      Perhaps Santa though I said a pair mosquito bites instead of a pair of maroon tights for Christmas? He does after all wear glasses, and the elves can be awfully playful!

      Edit: added to — to the word day.

      • Rick (“fReSh”)

        Damn.. it was really warm last nigjt in Indy noe its freezing rain.. I’m sure santa would look ‘fresh’ in sum red shorts in white trim lol

  • Hamtaro

    Breaking News: Jared Fogle, former Subway spokesperson and convicted pedophile, found dead in his prison cell with a machete and a shamrock wearing a Christmas hat. Details at 11.

    • OOkpik

      Hey Pinocchio, pull up your britches…your J&D is hanging out. πŸ™‚
      It’s a hoax, folks.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Your comment is giving me cognitive dissidence. So I’m going to ignore it and believe hamitaro even more. So there!

  • nottrue

    Hmmm…..http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/12/27/tom-cruise-cherly-burke-dating-rumors Tom makes Tango joke…Cheryl offers private lessons….Tom’s people say it is nottrue and so does Cheryl. Oh well

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Speaking of sex offenders, looks like James Barbour still has a career. And the support of the scilon elite, too.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_UiCXsM2sc/

    • pat k

      Kittey and bunny are the best

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “Be great, nothing else pays”
    The true meaning of Christmas according to Grant Cardone. What a guy. GAG!
    (refresh)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/_uLBNtCen3/

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      This pony only has one trick, doesn’t he?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        That reminds me of that story of the kid who gets a pile of horse manure. He starts shoveling and says, β€œThere’s got to be a pony in here somewhere.”

        With Cardone, they are gonna find out that there’s no pony, just manure.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Heh heh. So true.

          But hey, if you don’t find your pony on one OT level, there’s always the next one, right? Or the one after that, or…

          And btw, now I’ll be singing the Beatles “I Dig a Pony” for the rest of the evening. Which is perfectly fine by me.

  • MY TEN THOUSANDTH COMMENT… THAT IS ALL

    PIC

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      IT’S OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Congats!
      BTW – I think this photo might be related to the new OT9. It seems to involve tiny Miscavige clones and the remake of Top Gun. If so, I think I might have to sign up! πŸ˜‰

      • actually I had thousands more when Tony was at Village Voice and we all used LiveFyre [or whatever it was called]

      • beauty for ashes

        Holy crap that is adorable!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Congratulations! Or should I say, “maybe you should find another hobby?”

      I kid, I kid. I need my kitty gif fix. ; )

    • And a couple of them were worthwhile.
      I kid because I love.

    • Ella Raitch

      Mazel

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    PHOTO CAPTION – “I’m excited to get home and get this every year β™₯ #IAS”

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_DPQN9Rkwm/?taken-by=zugavidia

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Gotta have that updated IAS ID to prove to security at the door that you haven’t been declared since last New Years Eve. Hours of Shermanspeak and vulture regs hovering everywhere. What a shitty way to spend the evening.

      • chukicita

        They’d raise a lot more actual funds if they weren’t spending so much on cards to restrict admission and meaningless certificates.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          What about those “All Are Welcome” signs on all of their “churches”? What a joke! It reminds me of this Instagram which was posted earlier today…

          PHOTO CAPTION – “All I wanted to do is check out the #architecture inside, but the #scientology security wouldn’t let me in because I’m not a member!”

          https://www.instagram.com/p/_zY8AGvcFG/?tagged=scientology

          • nice find, and yeah, what about that scientology?

        • Robert Eckert

          The crayons and gold stars to spiff up those certificates don’t come cheap!

      • beauty for ashes

        I wonder if there’s an underground network of IAS counterfeiters? **smiles slyly**

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Since they are still playing Christmas commercials on TV, I guess it’s not to late to share this as my own unofficial present for everyone: http://www.hulu.com/watch/440786

    • seriouslyWTF

      I don’t have Hulu.

  • Fink Jonas

    Aren’t the OT levels supposed to stick you with more responsibility to KSW the higher you go on the false bridge? so you get your little thrills by doing the drills called for on each level but then you get pressured to be more responsible for scientology, if that is what you wanna do all your life, fine with me, drug addicts do the same they get their little thrills while they enslave themselves with drugs, scientologist enslave themselves with more scientology poison, sick.

    • Supper Powers

      I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison.

      • seriouslyWTF

        I do. It seems he is saying scientolology is like a drug that people get addicted to. Seems reasonable to me.

        • Sid

          And once addicted the druggie has to become a dealer?

        • Supper Powers

          I just don’t see it. Maybe there’s research that proves the same types of hormones are released when the reward comes. It’s possible. I don’t see it. Scientology seems to be more comprehensive in behavior and addiction seems to have a stronger biological component so I don’t see the comparison. I’m open to the idea though.

  • Liberated

    Some idiot has just accused Peyton Manning of using steroids when he played for the Colts. That’s complete total bulllshit. Peyton is pissed. It’s on a documentary tonight on Al-Jazeera tv.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      When I heard this on CNN, I wondered what NFL fan watches Al-Jazeera TV in the US? I haven’t watched it since Al Gore sold out to them. The ratings have got to be almost zero, maybe this is a ploy to get someone to tune in.

      • beauty for ashes

        I’m not an NFL fan, but I occasionally check out what’s on Al-Jazeera. I’m a fan of docs πŸ™‚

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I guess I’m just leery of their sources and integrity, same with the RT (Russian) channel. I miss the Documentary Channel.

          • chukicita

            I trust Al-Jazeera a lot more than I trust some other media sources. And I love me some NFL.

            • Al Jazeera has proven to be an excellent news source, so far. Vice is also doing some great reporting.

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              I like Vice and their reporting style. I discovered recently that one of my friends has a familial connection to one of the Vice producers. I’m still skeptical about Al Jazeera but willing to give it further consideration.

      • Liberated

        I heard this on NBC news. I haven’t watched that station since it was called current-tv either. Of course the creep smeared his wife’s name too. Peyton is seriously pissed, and rightfully so.

  • Observer

    OT: remember the screenshot of my Fallout 4 game I posted a few days ago with the glitched dead cat at Abernathy Farm? Well, it’s still there, still dead, and …

    refresh

    • beauty for ashes

      I’d be worried about that, what if I becomes sentient and takes over the whole program?

      • Observer

        It’ll be interesting to see how big it gets.

        • beauty for ashes

          This could be the beginning of a horror film.

    • fyi

      pic

      • Observer

        *facepalm*

      • Send the poor guy a few decks of Magic: The Gathering as a distraction.

      • JaxNGold

        This kind of shit really ticks me off. What the hell is with people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions? This dipshit wants to act as if a video game had some kind of secret power over him and made him neglect his responsibilities. I mean, are you kidding me?? I’ve heard of some utterly absurd lawsuits, but this one is definitely at the top of the loser list.

  • seriouslyWTF

    Watching Two Broke Girls. Heard a scientolology reference that I was able to find on Twitter. Refresh.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      They’ve had a few hilarious jabs at Co$ on that show. All pointing out the obvious: It’s a creepy, money-grubbing cult. It makes me happy to see them becoming the butt of jokes more often.

  • Random thought: I want to create more than I consume. Meaning – putting out something beneficial for others.
    I feel it’s good for anyone to create a bit more than they consume and in this day and age we consume a lot.
    My early New Year’s resolution thought.

    • Observer

      Keep posting your beautiful pics, please. I really enjoy seeing the world through your eyes (and those of everyone else who posts photos they take). I love seeing other perspectives.

    • OOkpik

      You’re a good man, Mr. Laser. I would bet my middle finger that you have already put out much more than you ever consumed. <3

      • Thank you, OOkpik. Not enough. <3

        • OOkpik

          If seven maids with seven mops
          Swept it for half a year,
          Do you suppose,’ the Walrus said,
          That they could get it clear?’
          I doubt it,’ said the Carpenter,
          And shed a bitter tear.

          (Lewis Carroll)

          ETA: A bit obtuse, ya?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I like sentiment…any idea how you’ll proceed?

      • I am not telling you. Oh wait, I just proceeded with this post.

        • stillgrace2

          Try home brewing your own beer.

          • Yeah, that way I will never get out of my house. Thanks though.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Son. Of. A. Bitch. Got a major delayed flight tonight. Won’t get home until 330am. And I never got to see Kim, which I have time for now. Think she’ll drive to DIA if I show her my sarong collection?

    • Supper Powers

      Yes!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        If it’s at the airport, can I count it on the mile high club?

        • Supper Powers

          No!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Is Denver. I get by on a technicality.

            • Supper Powers

              That’s hard to argue with! πŸ˜‰

              Hope you as doing ok, friend. Long trips are tough.

  • Chris Shelton’s new Critical Q&A was already linked before, but I just finished watching it and I think it’s his best:
    (And not because of the book release, I didn’t read it yet.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnmQC3UPucg

    • Ruby

      I did read it. Highly recommend!
      He added a line to the hamster wheel analogy that still has me laughing… About being on post in the SO, the hamster wheel, and how you are berated for not arriving to the destination!! And so you are told you need to go faster to get there! While I was on staff, not SO, this struck home to me too! The book is a great read!

      • Thanks, Ruby!

        There is only two divisions in any scientology org:
        1. Hamster wheel
        2. Monkey house.

        • Ruby

          haha! Thanks for the laugh, Dodo! That is very funny! (And so true)

    • beauty for ashes

      Hey I miss Wogsy! If you see her tell her Beauty misses her terribly, and could she do a drive by? Thanks Dodo, and Btw you recommended Fargo too? I love it but have been saving the last two episodes, so don’t say anything. πŸ™‚ Did anyone tell you you are the best today? πŸ™‚

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Fascinating. So Chris essentially says that $cienos (and maybe others) who have been exposed to the upper levels of $ceintology via illegitimate sources (i.e. internetz) will never be allowed to do the OT levels. How do they think their cherch can continue to grow if most people on Teegeeack have now been exposed to the inner, upper secrets of the chult via living a normal life and seeing all of the news on tv and in magazines and are therefore to be excluded?

      • Dunno. Some villages with no Internet still have a chance, I guess.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Well, that certainly limits their dissemination universe, which is a great thing. Am just puzzled by what they must be thinking, especially with respect to those they keep contacting and pestering. Surely the poor sea org callers hear an ear full of entheta with each outreach attempt and for what dubious result? Those doing the calling then need corrective auditing depending on what they heard and those they called would ultimately be determined to be ineligible anyway. Makes no sense

          • 2016 will make every scientologist contemplate hard about their “religion”.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              I hope you have some inside knowledge because if 2015 didn’t do it, what will?

            • No inside knowledge, just educated guess. 2015 did it too, btw. Tony is reviewing it right now.

          • madame duran

            I don’t believe Miscavige’s goal is planetary dissemination anymore (but it’s a nice line to use with the Scientologists who aren’t minding the details of their religion’s membership stats). He’s given up on most people. He has alienated or sabotaged every personal relationship he has–be it with a spouse, friend, colleagues, family member, underling, fellow believer. His only focus is on MONEY so the only people that matter to him are lawyers, private investigators, security guards, realtors and wealthy Scientologists (“whales”)…and maybe a few politicians that may do favours for him in terms of influencing legislation. This is how Miscavige is still able to maintain power despite Scientology’s membership drain. My hope for 2016 is that he continues to put himself into a tighter corner, he or someone else will mess up, then the authorities and/or media will move in.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Then why oh why does he still have all the outflow going on to those who so much as bought a book or did an intro course? Is that just to keep all of those well meaning sea org members busy and believing?

            • madame duran

              In a word…yes. I don’t expect it to make any sense. This is the same organization that’s willing to abort a generation of future Scientologists because caring for them as little people is deemed a “burden”.
              As long as the Scientologists keep adhering to KSW and “producing” whatever (the higher the volume, the better), their distracted minds will be too busy to think about, observe, or criticize what’s truly going on in management (it’s a form of self-hypnosis; some have likened it to running in a hamster wheel…which is an apt description of lots of energy spent on achieving nothing substantial). Sea Org/staff Scientologists are pushing for the next weekly STAT and regular Scientologists are pushing for the next DONATION. But where is the “BOOM” of new adherents for all their work? Miscavige may talk of expansion but the type of expansion happening isn’t related to people. Planetary dissemination was Hubbard’s focus but it isn’t so now with Miscavige. It’s MONEY. People are expendable. People are only briefly of value due to their performance…and according to Miscavige’s rants, nobody seems to be ever “good enough” for him. Nobody is constantly “excellent”. Everyone has failed miserably at some point. Money and/or property value are a lot more reliable.
              If people really mattered, don’t you think Miscavige would’ve publicly defended Scientologists against media attacks? Don’t you think he would’ve taken a personal interest in protecting their reputation rather than throwing them under the bus (as he’s done) to save himself from indictment?
              The arrival of one or two newcomers to the Scientology fold may be celebrated on the local level but I doubt Miscavige really hinges his ecclesiastical hopes on such events. He must be thinking of “Plan B” as the negative reports stream in. His mistake is in believing that money solves every problem; that he can spend his way out of difficult situation. Let him continue to think that. It will lead to his downfall.

  • Judith Sylvester

    I propose that the blogowner announce an annual award, The Tony Ortega Hemingway award, to the contributor who said the most with the least. To that good end, for 2015, I nominate Dave Touretsky, for his recent,

    “When Brinkema returned, she vacated the order. Xenu was back on the street.”

    • OOkpik

      Yes, the Bunker is packed with potential nominees!

    • beauty for ashes

      I used to write some of these down. My favorite was Mooser, “I’d like my sang-froid shaken not stirred.”
      Also, Sherbs, oh too many too many! I’m sure Lucille had something to do with this convo, “Luckily, I’m wearing my Teflon undies! Wheeee!”

      • Judith Sylvester

        I thought the first one was fantastic, then I read the second, the I read the third. I’m beginning to get the problem.

        • beauty for ashes

          Yeah I have a quote box. Its funny to go through because some are right next to Iyanla Vanzant like

          “β€œUnworthiness always puts you in debt to anyone and everyone who shows you the slightest degree of attention or love or energy. Eventually, in this form of bankrupt relationship, your benefactors will demand or expect more than you are able or willing to give. This is the precise moment they will choose to call in the loan.”
          ― Iyanla Vanzant, Peace from Broken Pieces

          • Judith Sylvester

            “Unworthiness always puts you in debt to anyone and everyone who shows you the slightest degree of attention or love or energy”

            Funny you should say that. I’ve only just recently started thinking about that. Great quote.

    • ..

      • Judith Sylvester

        Worth a thousand words.

  • Supper Powers

    Has anyone heard of Synanon or how it may have influenced Narconon? Seems like lots of cross pollination. Thanks for any insight.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon

    • 9001

      Rick Ross has some of their history at http://culteducation.com/group/1179-synanon.html
      Sorry that I can’t remember any similarities at the moment. I blame Jack Daniels.

      • Supper Powers

        I’m about to hang out with him, too!

        • 9001

          Cheers.

          • Supper Powers
    • Ivan Mapother

      Instead of using lawyers and PIs to intimidate, they put rattlesnakes in your mail box.

  • Random funny. About a year ago, I bought a Caterpillar winter jacket. Got this email today:

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Meet, this is our wonderful security guard” (Google translated from Russian)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_rbHmYNlJs/?taken-by=narconon_standard

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Continuing airport saga. 3 further delays, pushing my flight departure to midnight. Set to arrive home at 6am now. I’m expecting an email fully canceling the flight any moment….which would be preferable except for the checked bag in United’s possession.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Been there…not pleasant. So sorry L Wrong. Hope your flight departs at midnight or there’s a mini hotel in the terminal where you can catch some z’s for a few hours.

    • Supper Powers

      Aw, man. I’m sorry. That stinks.

    • salin

      Argh! Hang in there L. Wrong. Done a few crazy delay/missed connections due to the crazy delays – your frustration and travel fatigue must be spiking to crazy levels. Work through the craziness – and get home safely.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I’m told there is a 50/50 chance we will be cancelled. That ought to be fun. Won’t know for a while yet.

        • Nat-leficent

          Any cute ladies there to talk to or is everyone travel-zilla by now?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Ha! I need you here as my wing woman. Honestly I’m in no mood except to maybe stare and drool.

            • Nat-leficent

              Sounds like you need a drink!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yes! I keep seeing the video wall in front of me run an ad for Tuaca. Ever heard if it? Some kind of Italian, orange vanilla liquor.

            • Nat-leficent

              No, but now I want some. Someone tell Nolagirl to stark stocking it at the bar XD

            • Tuaca = Nasty.

            • Nat-leficent

              Thanks for saving us the trouble — too sweet?

            • Medicinally sweet.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I did not want to hear that. I’m in a fragile state of mind. Is it syrupy sweet? Or just bad flavor?

            • Baby

              Any of the uh Asian Persuasion?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Of course!

            • Baby

              Be careful with you Chop Stick!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You’re not right.

            • Baby

              I have issues..

              I am right cause it is my LEFT hand that hurts silly..

    • Baby

      WAH WAH WAH.. Ooops..

      I’m sorry sweetie..

    • aquaclara

      That’s lousy. Sorry you’re stuck somewhere. Any updates by now?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        The departure time has now changed 7 times since my first post. Twice it got earlier, only to go later again. Worse tease than Baby. We are currently at 1145, but looking for last two crew members.

  • Nat-leficent

    Working on my resolutions — can’t think of any yet πŸ˜‰

    • Nat-leficent

      1. Stop oversharing on the bunker XD

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You don’t overshare. I mean, you haven’t sent any topless photos yet, right?

        • Nat-leficent

          Of course not! How could I when such photos don’t even er . . . exist . . like . . . at all!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Hey, modern woman, modern times….not judging.

            • Baby

              Old Woman Old times..

              For ME NOT Nat..hahaa

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Hey baby! Stuck in the airport losing my mind. How’s the hand? Can you slap with it yet?

            • Baby

              Awww Poor Hubs.. been there.. awful..

              Hurts.. healing.. I got my right hand Mr. xo

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Good, slap yourself for me, you big meanie.

            • Baby

              Wow we are in the mood together eh.. I would rather be at the airport than my whole hand ripped to shreds by a tiger..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Aaaaand, the best supporting actress award goes to Baby, for jumping out of a cake with a small dog attached to her hand!

            • Baby

              THAT WAS NOT A SMALL DOG.. ( OMG I couldn’t)

            • Baby

              I wrote something so vulgar I edited it out..hahahha

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Uh huh. Tease again…

            • Baby

              Do you want me to stay up with you or can I go to bed?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Go to bed. Rest your hand. Thx.

      • Qbird

        I resolve to not make resolutions. ;-D

  • JanInThePan

    The day care story is one that makes me angry beyond my ability to articulate. At what point to the feds step in? Jesus.

  • Lazy comfy socks from Leah

  • just found a gift from a friend under a bunch of coats [feel guilty as it was from before Christmas and I had no idea]… anyway, taste buds haven’t lived until they’ve tasted fresh truffle chocolates from Fortnum & Mason…. IMO truly the best choccy treat ever!

    a few pics demonstrating the taste sensation

    • Gertrudis

      Gotta love that Quokka!

      • Baby

        I had no idea what you were talking about Gertrudis.. ( What would you like your nickname to be?)

        Gert? Quok.. Trude.. ? You name it..

        • Gertrudis

          Ha ha! You decide!

          • Baby

            I like Nat’s furry one.. That’s cute.. ( Unless you are going to change your avi..) I love the one you have now..

            I wish I had one of those Q things.. Adorable!

            I have to give it some thought.. I love your name..but we gotta shorten it..

            We could call you GQ.. hahaha that’s cute.. OK that’s it..I can’t be entertaining you guys all night..a girl’s got to get her beauty rest.. xo

            Glad you are here GQ.. ( unless you want to choose.. xo)

            • Gertrudis

              Perfect! Also, if you’re a Scrabble player, “Quokka” could be a great high-scoring word!

            • Baby

              Great..then GQ it is.. I will have to remember Quokka for scrabble ..thanks.. xo zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzznight

            • Gertrudis

              Goodnight, Baby.

            • Baby

              Night GQ.. come here for NY eve we have so much fun..xo

            • Gertrudis

              Thanks, Baby, will do! I’ll look for you there …

            • Baby

              I’ll be the one Vaping with my Hookah.. and picking on L Wrong Hubs.. He’s do for my monthly slap.. ha..

  • Baby

    Decided it was too squeamish.. does anyone know how to take a picture down.. I tried to edit it, but it won’t go away..thanks baby

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I had an infection in my hand not too long ago and remember how painful it was. The good news is that antibiotics resolved it very fast. Hope that will be true for you, too!

      • Baby

        I’m sorry Outflow.. sigh.. It does hurt so bad.. I hope to God those antibiotics kick in soon.. Well, they are kicking in..Just NOT fast enough for me. Thanks

  • wonder if this is Krustie’s house

    http://i.imgur.com/zS1knjd.gifv

    • Baby

      Hahahhahaa.. OMG funny.. He’s looking for Krustie’s Stash of Chocolates..

    • “Monkey see, monkey do.” What has this monkey seen?

      • Kay

        Boy I don’t know but that’s pretty impressive.

      • OOkpik

        Parkour!

  • Gertrudis

    Hi Bunker . . . I am Gertrudis.

    Got Lawrence Wright’s book “Going Clear” for myself as a Christmas present, and am at the part where Hubs is overboarding everyone and putting little children in the chain locker and up in the crow’s nest for days/weeks at a time. What a lovely, lovely man. Could anyone tell me whether any of the people who were thrown overboard or any of the children who experienced that torture ever wrote about it? Would really like to read their accounts if they exist but don’t know where to start. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

    • Baby

      Welcome little chipmunk .. I don’t know off the top of my head.. hmmmm… I do know that there have been several that witnessed it and wrote about it.

      • Gertrudis

        Thank you, Baby … In the book “Going Clear,” Hana Eltringham’s account of those incidents is just heartbreaking. I was thinking, though, that some of those little children from the ship would probably be in their fifties and sixties now, and may have come forward with their stories. Am really curious whether any have.

        By the way, I’m not a Chipmunk, I’m a Quokka! :o)

        • Supper Powers

          For the record, I’m a chip monk.

        • Baby

          hahahhaha.. OMG I never hear of a Quokka.. absolutely adorable..awwwwww…( Off to google..)

          Yes Hana was the one I was thinking of..

    • Supper Powers

      Welcome. Glad to have you here. If Nola were here, she’d pour you a cocktail.

      Suggestions will come in due time.

      • Gertrudis

        Thank you, Supper; would certainly enjoy a cocktail right about now. Will keep an eye out for Nola!

        • Nat-leficent

          CΓ³mo te gusta el libro?

          • Baby

            Si

            • Nat-leficent

              πŸ˜‰

            • Kay

              Ole !! That’s all the spanish I know…oh wait I remember one sentence from high school…..”Donde esta la biblioteca?” I am pathetic…

            • Nat-leficent

              You can get Going clear at the library — so good thing to remember

            • Kay

              LOL !!!! I am so bad at languages that to fill the four semester requirement for foreign language for my bachelor’s degree I took the 101 classes in four languages..French, Latin, German, and Italian. I could never make past 101 to 201 in any of them. Hilarious.

            • Baby

              RUB IT IN!

            • Robert Eckert

              Most important Spanish sentence; repeat after me: “No tengo dinero!”

          • Baby

            I LOVE THE BOOK..

            • Nat-leficent

              I know that! I’m asking the furry one XD

            • Baby

              Hahahhahaa.. Hey girl.. I just Hearsayed that.. and on top of that I made a pitcher of Mango Margaritas for you..Hmmmmmph..

              Pfffffffffft ( I’m sorry I couldn’t resist..hahahaha)

            • Nat-leficent

              LIBRARIAN!

            • Baby

              I ain’t sceeered on no Librarian.. It’s the PO PO that sceers me..

            • Nat-leficent

              Mwah! Night Babes. I’m off to bed

            • Baby

              Me too baby girl.. You and I are ready for New Years..ha..cute avi..xo sweet dreams..

            • Kay

              Nitey-nite Nat. (Thought you would enjoy a little alliteration)

          • Gertrudis

            Nat-leficent, have to admit . . . Am a huge “Like Water For Chocolate” fan, but had to read the subtitles! Sussed it out, though, and it looks like you’re asking what I’d like to drink?

        • Baby

          I am going to bed.. May I serve you a Mango Margarita..?

          Pitchers on the ledge..help yourself you guys.. xoxoox night all..

    • Missionary Kid

      What I would guess is that many of the people who left in the early days don’t want to talk about their treatment, or have moved on. Now, with the internet, people are coming out of the woodwork who witnessed the overboarding and putting kids in the chain locker, but I don’t know if any of the kids, who would be grown up by now, have come forward.

      • Gertrudis

        Thank you, MK. Wondered earlier whether any of the people who were kids on the ship, who would probably be in their fifties or sixties now, had come forward with their story. I agree with you, though, about not wanting to talk about their treatment–they are probably working hard to forget that time!

        • Missionary Kid

          Someone else may be able to point you to a specific person. I’m a critic, but maybe someone in ex-scientology kids or one of the other message boards might be able to answer your question. Hana Whitfield might know.

          The problem is that once people leave, they often lose contact with people. That is not as true as it used to be, but with the internet, people are reconnecting.

          The knowledge of the dastardly deeds is out there. The problem is that $cientology isolates people so that they’re like a group of blind people trying to describe an elephant by only touching a part of it.

          If you read the bunker, there are often people who were in at a particular time that connect with people who they used to know when they were in, or they have people that they know in common, while they never actually met each other. $cientology seems to shift staff and sea org around, so that one person may have a lot of other clams that they have met, but they may not have spent much time with one individual.

          • Gertrudis

            Thank you, MK–will definitely check that out. Appreciate the tip.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I think about Derek Green, the chain locker boy. I’d imagine he doesn’t even realize those memories; if he hasn’t suppressed them are real and not some hellish nightmare he recalls from time to time.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome (belatedly) Gertrudis. (Love your avatar!) You might want to check the Ex Scientologist Message Board online. There may be some personal recollections there about overboarding.

      • Gertrudis

        Thank you, Juicer; will definitely check that out.

  • a few outlets are running with tiny tommy selling his UK clam house… the picture editor at The Mail used one of my all time favourite pics of our favourite fat-cheeks big being….[NOT PHOTOSHOPPED!!]

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3375842/Tom-Cruise-puts-4-95million-UK-property-sale-Jack-Reacher-star-looks-sell-luxurious-West-Sussex-estate.html

    pic

    • PerpetualOutflow

      OMG, that cannot possibly be true to scale.

      • Baby

        I don’t care..I love, love it! hahhahaha..

        • Kay

          Me too !! It looks like she put him through the dryer !! hahahaha

          • Kay

            Or, like she plays for the Lakers….

            • Baby

              Yawn.. night boo

            • Kay

              Sleep well Ms. Baby !!

            • Qbird

              Baby – you gently soak your hand in warm water with Epsom salts, yes?
              @ every two hours if you can. Can’t use it niether, gotta let it heal!

            • Kay

              What’s wrong with Baby’s hand? I just logged on and I think she’s gone to bed.

            • Nat-leficent

              Dog bite. Tooth broke off inside.

            • Kay

              To Nat and Qbird: Thats terrible !! I hope she’s OK and that she got some antibiotics and pain medication for sure !

            • Kay

              AND…a tetanus shot

            • Qbird

              She got dog bit a while back…

            • Baby

              go to top of page Kay

            • Baby

              really Q..? I swear I haven’t been using it either.. NOT one bit..( Ask my hubby he’s been fillin my Hookah..getting diet coke..

              CUTTING MY MEAT.. opening the door.. etc. He is going nuts..

              I will call my Dr. tomorrow and ask.. He prescribed SilverSorb..and I’ve been applying that.. Thank you..I will call first thing in the morning.

              Miss you xoxo baby

            • Qbird

              Dog bite infections take a very long time to heal, Baby doll.

              You watch that infection real careful like – if the swelling is getting worse, you should have it checked out again… for sure. Pain will let you know.

              For me, bit by pitbull at sea, my ankle, took all of 3 months to heal.
              bc I kept walking on it, gd it, I am bipedal!
              Not using it AT ALL (good man, Mr. Baby) is key to a faster recovery.
              & soak soak soak in warm salty water… serious now.
              After soaking, use that topical SilverSorb.

            • Baby

              Ouch pit bull.. OUCH OUCH.. I go to the Dr. daily.. and have been beyond careful..As an **cough** older woman..I know it will take longer to heal..

              I just bought a scooter 2 weeks before the bite..errrrrrrrrgh.. and can’t use for a long time.. thanks honey.. soak..

      • Missionary Kid

        I think it is.I believe it was shot with a wide angle lens, and, since he’s behind her, he looks much smaller. Notice how much smaller the person at the door looks, and they’re not that far behind Tommy and Katie, who is also wearing heels. Tommy’s heels are on the inside of his shoes.

    • When Brooke Shields offered to send two tickets to her show to Tom Cruise “One adult, one child”, some people thought the child ticket was for Katie.

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      That is one ugly house. That hideous massive bay window atop the front door is an assault to my eyes!

      • Kay

        This is like the 3rd or 4th house he has put up for sale in the past year including his primary residence. I think there is an underlying theme going on here that hasn’t been disclosed. I think it’s odd to suddenly sell every house you own all at once. hmmmmmmm……

        • Nat-leficent

          Maybe he’s joining the sea org lololololool!

          • Kay

            Giggle…wouldn’t that be the weirdest thing ever ?? He would want to be the Admiral of the Sea Org, however, no scrubbing things out or making his own cookie dough for him….just waving to the proletariat from the bridge of the ship I imagine.

        • …. PREVIEW OF MY NEXT BLOG HEADLINE EXPLAINS

    • madame duran

      That hand grip and the leading arm guiding the show pony…oy!
      Cruise DOES NOT know how to treat women.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I’m on the plane!
    (Bunker cheers, “he’s on the plane!”)

    • Baby

      OMG and I was waiting up for you..YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • Supper Powers

      He’s on the plane!!! Yeah! Safe flight, friend!

    • Nat-leficent

      Buttplug’s on a plane!

      Wait . . .

      • Always remove the batteries from toys when packing. Because no one likes happy jumping luggage.

        • Nat-leficent

          I think waiting around in the airport for hours drained his power source XD

    • Baby

      DP PLANE DA PLANE..

      That’s what little DM would say..

      • Kay

        OMGosh !!! You made me laugh out loud with that one, baby !!!! I snorted and everything….hilarious!

        • Baby

          Then my job here is done Kay ..

          I had a visual of him in his little sailor suit wavin his arms and getting all excited like a big boy..

          • Kay

            You are hysterical !! I asked down thread what the problem was with your hand and was horrified to hear you have a dog bite issue. I hope you got antibiotics and some pain pills and a tetanus shot and lots of sympathy for that !!! Owie !!

            • Baby

              It was a real bitch of a bite Kay.. OUCH.. and Yes tetanus, antibiotics.. IV drips.. and I gave away my doggie to a Shi Tsu Shelter..It was horrible.

              Bunker gave me sympathy.. It’s wearing off for Hubby..hahaha xo OK computer off..xo

            • Kay

              Oh that’s just awful !!! (((hugs)))

            • Baby

              heartbreaking. OK crying now.. thanks .. I really love my little Coco.. sigh..

            • Missionary Kid

              Wow. I didn’t know about a tooth broken off inside the wound. That would make it much more difficult to get the infection taken care of. Please, heal well, and soon.

              It could have been worse – you could have been bitten by Ratcavige.

            • Baby

              Yeah do you believe that? It worked it’s way to the surface with all the pressure underneath..and the spot was so sore..

              and when I went to peel off the bandage it was laying in YUCKY stuff..on the bandage..It left a little inflamed hole.

              I need a touch assist..hahaha…

              RATCAVIGE.. UGH, UGH.. He is VERMIN alright!

            • Missionary Kid

              The discharge is a part of your body fighting the infection. A splinter is bad enough, but a dog’s tooth would be a veritable petri dish of germs. The old wives tale about a dog’s mouth being cleaner than a human’s is a total lie. They lick and probe stuff with their noses that we wouldn’t go close to, then they lick their noses. If we contact something gross, we wash our hands very thoroughly, if we’re smart.

              Our skin is great protection against germs, but once the skin is broken, or germs into mucus membranes, that’s a whole different ball game. It’s only my opinion, but anyone who lets a dog lick their nose or mouth is just asking for problems.

              I’m not a germophobe, but I don’t like dogs licking me, even though it’s possibly a way for them to show that they like me.

            • Baby

              You are spot on Kid..100% .. OK..I swear I’m done..I could be on all night but typing with one hand is exhausting..xox tomorrow..

            • Missionary Kid

              Are you sure you’re not reading pornography? (That’s an old joke).

            • Baby

              hahahhaha

            • MrsLurksALot

              Aw, Baby. That sucks, really. Keeping you in my thoughts. Take care of yourself. :/

            • Baby

              Thanks Holly.. You are looking lovely as usual..xo It does suck

            • MrsLurksALot

              Just saw your reply. And, you’re sweet. I’m so in and out at the Bunker lately, I can’t always keep up. But, I’m gonna check in with you, sweet lady. Again, take care. Ed.

            • Baby

              I CAN be sweet.. when I’m talkin bout the cult.. I always love seeing you..but lurking is good too darlin..

              all you have to do is upvote me and I know you are thinking about me! xo

        • Nat-leficent

          F5

          • Kay

            Bwa hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa !! That’s perfect !! The scale on his suit is just perfect ! You are so fast, you always amaze me, truly !

            • Nat-leficent

              Old one. Lol.

            • Kay

              It’s great !!

          • Baby

            OMG.. I almost peed my pants..hahahhaha.. Good girl.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      I’ve had it with these motherfucking clams on this motherfucking plane!

  • Baby

    ***Not for squeamish**** go to newest..

    I deleted this earlier..but since I can’t take the picture down..I might as well share with my friends. This is 12 days after the dog bite.sigh

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/12/24/release-the-hounds-scientology-suddenly-getting-more-aggressive-with-the-media-report/#disqus_thread

    • Juicer77

      Wow, that’s a lot of skin missing. Poor Baby! πŸ™ Has the doctor suggested a soaking it in MILD salt water a couple times a day? It will probably help the antibiotics do their work, and keep the area soft while it heals.

      • Baby

        She Just RIPPED that skin off.. ugh..He didn’t direct me to soak it..but to rinse with Salin..Juice.. thanks sweetie pie.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      It still looks pretty nasty, Baby. Hope it heals soon.

      • Baby

        I know.. Ugh.. It certainly will be a conversation piece ..ha..thanks Kitteh..

  • Newiga

    Finally got the chance to dig into and finish Leah’s book. What an intriguing read. So happy she got out of the Viper’s nest and is not afraid to speak out. Next up: Chris Shelton’s book.

    • Baby

      WWWWWWWigie.. xoxox.. I just brushed my teeth.. glad you came in just in time.. zzzzzzzz and goodnight..

      • Newiga

        Good night, Baby! xxoo Getting back to real life and work after a short xmas break. We finally have snow and the sun is shining. Finding it hard not to dream about going outside and playing in the snow. πŸ˜‰

        • Baby

          Oh make snow angels Wigie.. xo

  • OOkpik

    Cuteness to start or finish your day gently.
    pic

    Thinking of Panopea Abrupta and Mrs. Pan.

    • Juicer77

      We need updates! πŸ™‚