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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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SCIENTOLOGY CELEBRITY REBELLION: Leah Remini Dared to Ask, “Where’s Shelly?”

Leah, her mother Vicki, and daughter Sofia

Leah, her mother Vicki, and daughter Sofia

On Friday, we reported that we’d received a tip King of Queens actress Leah Remini had left the Church of Scientology in an angry fit. We asked our tipsters for more information, and we got it.

Over the weekend, we were contacted by several sources with detailed inside knowledge who tell us Remini is breaking away because of the way leader David Miscavige is treating church members, Sea Org workers, and Scientology itself.

According to our sources, Remini has been distancing herself from what she refers to as the church’s “corrupt management” for a few years. And it started with a dramatic scene.

In November 2006, Remini was one of numerous celebrity guests at the wedding of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes at a castle outside Rome. Cruise’s best man was David Miscavige, who has been the church’s leader since the death of its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, in 1986.

Notably absent, however, was Miscavige’s wife, Shelly. Remini dared to ask about it — and loudly.

We’ve written about Shelly Miscavige several times before, and in our most thorough story yet about her vanishing, we provided details about her deteriorating relationship with her husband, and explained why we believe she’s being kept out of sight at a secretive Scientology facility near Lake Arrowhead in the mountains above Los Angeles. Shelly has not been seen by the rest of the membership of the church since 2006, except for one sighting when she was allowed to attend the funeral of her father in August 2007.

Shelly Miscavige, several years before she vanished

Shelly Miscavige, several years before she vanished — Photo never before published, courtesy of Claudio and Renata Lugli.

 
In November 2006, when the Cruise-Holmes wedding occurred, it was still surprising for Remini to see Miscavige at such a major event without his wife. When she asked about it she was told to shut up, as if the question itself was out of line. That did not sit well with the actress, who is known for speaking her mind.

When she returned from Italy, she did what Scientologists are told to do when they see something that they consider against the church’s rules — she wrote a “Knowledge Report.”

Remini’s report, we’re told, included criticisms of Miscavige, his personal “communicator” Laurisse Stuckenbrock, Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes, and other members of Scientology’s upper management. She also “had it out” with Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw, church execs Mike Sutter and Hansueli Stahli (who, with another executive, Marion Pouw, have been used as a kind of barnstorming committee, traveling around the country to quiet ex-members with large payments and confidentiality agreements), as well as media handlers Tommy Davis and Jessica Feshbach, accusing them of lying to the press about Scientology’s toxic “disconnection” policy and the excessive interrogations of church members. Remini then filed her report.

Let that sink in: Leah Remini wrote up David Miscavige, the leader of Scientology, and submitted it for action.

After she made her complaints, Remini was ordered to go to Scientology’s spiritual headquarters — the “Flag Land Base” in Clearwater, Florida — for “thought modification,” which consisted of extensive “sec-checking” and what the church calls the “Truth Rundown.”

“Security checking” is Scientology’s version of interrogation using an “e-meter.” During “auditing,” Scientology’s form of counseling, a church member holds the sensors of the machine, which measures skin galvanism and is reflected in the motion of a needle indicator. Scientologists believe that the machine can actually read the “mass” of thoughts, and therefore it can tell when they are holding back information. In “sec-checking,” this process becomes more brutal as the questioner bores into the church member’s private life, trying to determine whether a subject is holding negative thoughts about Miscavige or the church itself.

In this recent video interview made by filmmaker Mark Bunker, former Scientologist Bruce Hines explains what happens in the “Truth Rundown.” It’s a process, he explains, that is intended to convince a subject that whatever unethical or bad behavior he witnessed was only a delusional product of his own evil intentions. In other words, Leah Remini would have been under intense pressure to confess that it was her own evil intent which caused her to say something negative about David Miscavige.

 

 
We are told Remini was forced to rescind her reports while being “modified” at Flag.

Despite that experience, Remini continued to be an outspoken advocate of Scientology for at least a few more years, as we outlined in Friday’s story. But according to numerous sources, Remini has also long been considered a troublemaker inside the church for asking questions about reports that members of Scientology’s “Sea Org” suffer abuse, and for refusing to “disconnect” from family and friends who were “declared” by the church. (Declaring someone a “suppressive person” or SP is Scientology’s version of excommunication.)

We’re told that Miscavige and his minions made multiple attempts to convince Remini that she was out of line, but their heavy-handed efforts only convinced her that her questions were valid, and that the church had no right to tell her who she could talk to and what questions she could ask.

Some of Remini’s own friends in the church reportedly deserted her when she reached out to them for support, further causing her to distance herself.

We’re also told that Remini’s mother Vicki Marshall, who is an Operating Thetan Level Eight (the highest level of Scientology spiritual advancement) and Class Six Auditor, her stepfather, who is Operating Thetan Level Seven, and her sisters are standing by her and have promised not to let Miscavige split the family apart with the disconnection policy.

Remini raised eyebrows back in 2011 when she tweeted support for Paul Haggis after he had publicly criticized Tommy Davis for lying about the disconnection policy and the church’s anti-gay political stance. Sources tell us Remini was the only person from the church who e-mailed Paul Haggis support.

Although our sources have asked to remain nameless, they tell us they think it’s inevitable that Remini will eventually make a statement of her own. As they describe her, she is a daughter of Brooklyn who speaks her mind and isn’t inclined to turn the other cheek when anyone messes with her or her family.

We hope they are right. Leah, drop us a line!

 
[Don’t miss our post from last night with more news involving Tom Cruise — the Underground Bunker teamed with Australia’s Woman’s Day magazine for an interview of Alanna Masterson’s father, Joe Reaiche, and his thoughts about her dating Tom’s son, Connor Cruise.]
 
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LUIS GARCIA CASE: CHURCH INTENDS TO DEPOSE BRIAN CULKIN, GARCIA ASKS TO DELAY EVIDENTIARY HEARING

As expected, Luis and Rocio Garcia, through their attorneys, have asked to delay an evidentiary hearing in their federal fraud lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, which was set by Judge James Whittemore for July 24.

At issue is the church’s motion to disqualify the Garcias’ attorneys, Ted Babbitt and Ron Weil, which rested largely on a declaration by former Scientologist Brian Culkin — a declaration which he produced for the church in return for a refund of $350,000 he had given to Scientology in only about a year as an active member.

Culkin lives in the Boston area, and in this motion for a continuance, Babbitt writes that the church intends to depose Culkin, which will take some time. Also, he says that he and Weil will be out of town on the 24th, and suggests several dates in September and October for the hearing.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 8, 2013 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser

    Buckle up, everyone. I don’t care about popcorn, but I like the smell of it.

    This is the bomb and it’s ticking, real fucking loud.

    Dear Leah, tell us how you really feel.

    • BosonStark

      And Leah, while you’re at it, why don’t you read Pulitzer Prize winning author Lawrence Wright’s recent book about Scientology, Hubbard, Miscavige and Paul Haggis and other celebrities, entitled GOING CLEAR?

      Luv ya, you go girl!

      • DodoTheLaser

        And this, by Jenna Miscavige:

        [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/5n9cav.jpg[/IMG]

        Just for starters.

  • Lilaeth

    I’d never heard of her until her name appeared on this site, but I have to say, she must have balls!

    • DodoTheLaser

      The King Of Queens is the show that almost every American watched or heard of.
      [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2hpt75k.jpg[/IMG]
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165581/

      • Lilaeth

        It was on TV here (the UK), but in a slot that meant I missed it cos I was at work!

        • DodoTheLaser

          I am not blaming you, just informing:

          [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/juuxpt.png[/IMG]

          This is Leah Remini:

          http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0718957/

          • Lilaeth

            Yeah, I know. :-)

        • media_lush

          It’s still on everyday at 3am, 2 episodes, on Comedy Central.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Dodo, I’d never heard of her, either. But I sure know who she is now!

        • DodoTheLaser

          Are you Canadian too? No offense, I actually like everything Canada.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I. AM. AN. AMERICAN.

            And don’t you forget it! We just don’t spend a lot of time watching sitcoms. We only watch PBS and high-toned documentaries on HBO. Yeah, that’s what we watch.

            • aquaclara

              Happy belated Canada Day.

            • stanrogers

              We up here like the PBS, and would appreciate it greatly if you could more carefully filter the other stuff before sending it across the border. Thank-you.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Hey, we were never able to do anything about The Kids in the Hall. Deal.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Copy that.

      • Racnad

        I’ve heard of the show, but I’ve never seen it, and I don’t think I’ve seen Remini in anything. Being a West Coast person, loud people worth Brooklyn accents don’t appeal to me, but I give her credit for asking questions and not allowing anyone to tell her who she can & can’t talk to or what information she can read. I was in that position myself once.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Cool. It appears that Russians watch more American tv than some Americans.
          Seriously, it’s a good, funny show.

        • ParticleMom

          Loud Brooklyn accents aren’t popular in Boston either. But all of a sudden, I am a big fan of at least one of them.

  • Missionary Kid

    I hope that the whole family sticks together on this one. If a whole family blows, the Co$ loses a lot of the threat of disconnection, because she leaves with her support group.

    Hopefully, once they leave, they will also start to see the lies of LRH as well as those of Miss Cabbage.

    • FLUNK_101

      It’s awesome that they’re determined not to let Miscavige split them apart.

      • Poison Ivy

        I hope they stand strong. Of course knowing Brooklynites, I wouldn’t expect anything less.

  • FLUNK_101

    I don’t see how anyone can be in Scientology. As bad as it was back in the 70s, it seems to be much worse now, if that’s even possible!
    Good for Leah. My kind of gal. Scientology has been known to attract some intelligent people, and I’ve known some very cool women that were in Scientology. I am inclined to put Leah in that category … I hope she keeps speaking her mind, and that she and her beautiful family leave this evil and exploitive cult.

    • Missionary Kid

      Amen.

    • Bob

      Flunk, I assure it is much worse now. The buildings are all plusher and the church has now fully graduated into a full blown cult, with all the sick zealousness of psychotic hyenas lusting over a lions kill.

      • richelieu jr

        It was always a full-blown cult.

        • Missionary Kid

          I was going to point that out, but I didn’t want to detract from the rant.

        • FLUNK_101

          It changed. Think of of it as a giant machine that you don’t want to get drawn into. The deeper you get drawn in, the worse it gets … only now with now, with DM, he makes it as horrible as he can from the very start … like going to prison for a parking ticket.

          • Missionary Kid

            Again, well put.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Brian Culkin is probably wishes he was beaten by a phone book instead of ever getting involved in scientology.
    I feel sorry for Brian, but more so for Garcias and really everyone who had a misfortune of buying into this cult.
    Let this case be a great lesson for all.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Can’t really bring myself to feel sorry for Mr. Culkin. He made his own choices all the way through this. But I do have a certain empathy. Wouldn’t be, you know, human not to.

    • ze moo

      If Culkin did not commit perjury in his statement/deposition he has nothing to worry about. He got his money and he can skate away from the whole thing. The addition of another issue in the Garcia’s case just means more time and money. Lrooons legal tactics are running a muck again…..This issue has the ability to boomerang, judges do get tired of time wasting….

  • Observer

    I suddenly have a whole lot of respect for Leah Remini. Props to her family, too, for making it known that they will not disconnect from her. And it must be a huge relief to Tom Cruise that he’s not the only one ruthlessly putting ethics in on him. *snicker*

    Enjoy that deposition, Brian. Something tells me that $350,000 might not be worth the consequences.

  • Sidney18511

    The most biggest, delish, mistake that the cos could make against Leah now would be to leak out some black pr or dead agent her. That just might be the thing she would need to pop.

    • DodoTheLaser

      From what I’ve heard from people who met Leah – she is a hardball.

      I hope it means she has a very low bullshit tolerance.

      Perhaps it’s a perfect time for her to team up with Lisa Marie Presley.

      • Kimberly D Davis

        Is Lisa Marie Presley out too?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Her songs indicate she is. Youtube her last album.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      You probably nailed it. Dear Leader has zero learning curve, and will almost certainly go to Handling 101: Smear the Lady. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear her name in some negative context within the next week.

      • Missionary Kid

        I call it a flat learning curve.

  • Bob

    Tony, great scoop. Leah has a new series and has been one of the few actresses that had a big hit that had staying power. Right now I don’t think any of the clam-orous Sciebot actresses are doing much. Anne Archer, Jenna Elfman and Marisol Nichols don’t seem to be making any creative waves. They are all major kool-aid drinkers. And have become less and less attractive the more they keep pushing Clamatology.
    Leah always seemed to be on top of things when I would see her; and her family all seemed very tight.
    I hope that she has seenthrough the emperors new cloth.
    Leah, just know that there are more and more of us who support you for having the courage to speak your mind.

    • Poison Ivy

      What this means is, her inner ethics trumped her Scientology “Ethics.” Please come talk to Tony, Leah – you have no idea the groundswell of support you will ignite here and elsewhere on the SciWatcher web.

      Maybe, just maybe, you will force COB to produce Shelley – if he can.

      • Snuzey

        “If” is the thing I worry about the most….

        • Poison Ivy

          That’s what’s so scary.

      • DodoTheLaser

        “What this means is, her inner ethics trumped her Scientology “Ethics.”

        So worth repeating.

    • ParticleMom

      It would be so amazing if Leah spoke out. She would be in the national, maybe even international, spotlight. I can’t even imagine how much good she could do for the people still in. DM would have to produce Shelly (if, as PI said, he still can.)

      Just as celebrities are so important for bringing people into Scientology, they can also be the fastest route to bring it down.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow.. In a million years, I’d have never thought Carrie Heffernan would be my hero..

    Yay, Leah!!! I’m your new biggest fan.. I’m so glad to know that Shelley had at least one friend who won’t sit back quietly and let the big being do whatever he wants.. The co$ celebrities have sooo very much more power than they realize.. I hope Leah continues to use hers for good..

    • ParticleMom

      No, I’m her new biggest fan!

      • N. Graham

        No, me!

  • aquaclara

    Inside Scientology, the internal buzz while Leah was being sec-checked must have been tremendous. i hope that helps a few in the Sea Org observe and question things a bit more. This alone could cause a few departures, even from those who don’t know anything about Shelley.

    Nice that Leah reached out to Paul Haggis, too. Davey must be going crazy trying to keep the lids on all these fires at the same time.

    If Leah blows or is kicked out, this will definitely increase the pressure on Miscabby to produce Shelley. Wouldn’t that be something?

    • MarionDee

      She’s a brave, brave woman.

    • Poison Ivy

      The fact that Miscavige did NOT produce Shelley for Leah after all this is telling. Why won’t he just take her out as a token, like he’s done with Heber?
      Gives me chills.

      • FLUNK_101

        He doesn’t answer to us, PI. We wogs are so self-defeating. All we do is run around in circles, making the same mistakes, over and over again. To him, we’re the wackos who need to “snap out if it.”

    • Spackle Motion

      What would be “something” is if Remini puts public pressure on him to produce his wife. While I am impressed with this story, I still don’t think she has the balls to do this publicly.

      • Poison Ivy

        She may have the balls, but she may be advised against it legally

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Doing it publicly would be legal suicide, with the armies of litigators the church has.

        • Spackle Motion

          Really? Then why wasn’t Haggis touched?

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            From Remini’s reps’ point of view, I meant to say.

  • Anonymookme

    After some of the disparaging remarks made by some commenters about Remini a couple of days ago, all I’ve got to say is thank God for foul mouthed bitches!
    This foul mouthed Remini bitch has big, brass ones.

    • FLUNK_101

      I want to hear this foul mouth of hers!

      • Bella Legosi

        Try to find E!’s behind the scenes of her planning her wedding. I watched it when they broadcast it and that is when I heard that wonderful mouth of hers!

        Not sure what it was called, but I do know E! or Bravo put it on their network. Happy hunting!

      • noseinabk
        • BuryTheNuts2

          I got to 1:49 and got bored because there wasn’t enough swearing!

          • Phil McKraken

            A reality show about a celebrity planning her wedding… What on Earth could be more boring than that? She could cuss like a sailor in every sing sentence from start to finish and it would still put me to sleep.

            But then, I’ve never seen the entertainment value in reality tv.

            • Missionary Kid

              Remember, reality TV is an oxymoron, because it’s edited and repackaged.

            • Guest

              Thank you. It’s also mostly scripted by non-writers (you can’t call them writers or pay them like writers, but that’s what they do.)

            • Missionary Kid

              On reality show credits, often writers credits are listed at the end.

          • sugarplumfairy

            The profanity heats up somewhere around 5:00.. but I’ve heard worse at my mom’s Sunday dinner..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Thanks for the fast forward tip!

          • FLUNK_101

            Oh, you should have watched to the end, BTN. She swears. Even “mf.” And, if you’re intereted, when her husband gets into bed with her, you can see his tuchas.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              LOL, the dog just lays there on the bed….too funny.

              They blurred his butt crack….Imma disappoint!

  • 0tessa

    This is Miscavige’s Summer of Discontent (& Disconnection)!

  • DodoTheLaser

    It’s refreshing to see scientologists (Leah Remini) to actually care about their missing friends (Shelly Miscavige).
    And Leah was punished for that?! So very telling. Good luck cult.

  • aquaclara

    Take a look at the number of Scilon entities and representing attorneys involved in the Garcia case-coordinating anything must be just about impossible.
    The cult has 3 law firms and 6 lawyers on this case, each of whom rack up some nice billable hours each month.
    4 lawyers alone are needed for the Church of Scientology Religious Trust.

    I wonder how they all keep their stories straight?

    • DodoTheLaser

      “I wonder how they all keep their stories straight?”

      They will probably try something like this:

      [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/1ghax5.jpg[/IMG]

  • Phil McKraken

    I would dearly love to see an entire family depart rather than submit to the disconnection ritual.

    • wontons

      Yeah. Wouldn’t it be great if they just continued to do whatever they want to do–in the cult, out of the cult (preferably out)–but refused to disconnect and then, when challenged, said “But I’ve heard that there is no policy of disconnection!”

      I feel for these people. I really do. I’m new here. I have no connection to the cult at all–I don’t even think I know anyone who is/was in it. But it’s so amazingly, glaringly wrong that I can’t believe it keeps getting away with things.

      Reading about you folks who have gotten away and who are so funny and smart and compassionate gives me hope for the world. And the news about Leah is the best news I’ve seen in a while.

      • Poison Ivy

        Welcome! Great post!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    “Let that sink in: Leah Remini wrote up David Miscavige, the leader of Scientology, and submitted it for action.”

    Well this blew me 50 feet outta my head!
    Go Leah!!!
    A foul mouthed Brooklyn girl who speaks her mind and KR’ed David Miscavige.

    What is not to love?
    How awesome that her family is sticking by her. That must really piss off Dave.
    It is nice to see a celebrity that is refusing to be handled!
    I bet they put her through absolute hell at Flag.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah, few people KR’d Dave before or even declared him SP. Which still makes major waves.

      It’s nice to see a celebrity and TV personality to do so too.The end is nigh. Humanity prevails.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        “Humanity prevails.”

        Yes, and I hope it always will! Poison Ivy always points out her amazement that even folks raised in the cult from birth and who know nothing else, like Jenna, have a natural instinct that this isn’t right. Co$ can create all of the bots it wants, but sooner or later, humans will be rebel against injustice, at being controlled, and at having one’s soul being co-opted.

        • Bella Legosi

          or their thoughts “modified”………..what a dark and sleezy name! How is that no different from “behavior modification” that the evil psychs are accused of by Co$???

          I know I was born in the Regan years of the Cold War, but this rundown really smells like the “re-education” camps from the ORIGINAL “Red Dawn”!

          • Lady Squash

            It is.

        • Poison Ivy

          “Co$ can create all of the bots it wants, but sooner or later, humans will be rebel against injustice, at being controlled, and at having one’s soul being co-opted.”

          TY PTBA2. Beautifully said!

          One of the latest fields of study in animal behavioral studies zeroes in on cooperation, altruism, empathy, etc. And guess what? They’re finding that these aspects of mammalian behavior may be more important to a species survival than aggression and competition, which were the focus of most studies in the ’70’s and ’80’s.

          This stuff is innate and evolutionarily ingrained. If you’re a spiritually-inclined person like myself, you could beleive that most of us are created essentially good with a soul of some sort and an innate sense of right and wrong. If you’re a pure science person like many of my friends, you’d say that following those ethical instincts is simply biological and essential to your survival. Either way, it points to human beings inherently wanting and needing to break out of cultic systems like CO$.

          • Peter

            I love this post, PI. Last night, for the second time, I watched a fascinating documentary (“I AM”) by and about the film director, Tom Shadyac, comedy director of “Ace Ventura”, “Liar Liar”, “The Nutty Professor” and others. In it he interviewed many of the wisest folks on the planet and a series of scientists which support everything you said in this post. As it also aligns strongly with other works I’ve studied (especially “The Field” by Marilyn Ferguson, also interviewed in this film), it points to a way out of this mess we find ourselves in around the world. Bravo post!

            • Poison Ivy

              TY Peter. I haven’t watched that doc and want to. Want to read “The Field.” Problem is changing the worldview as most people still stuck in the old one.

            • http://www.jackejett.com/ Jack E. Jett

              Thanks for the doc suggestion. My name is Jack and I am a Docu-Holic and always on the search for a new fix. Cult docs are my D.O.C..

            • Peter

              Well, “I Am” is definitely not a cult doc. LOL But very interesting, scientifically so. He touches hearts. And the info, especially regarding the heart, is sort of mind blowing in a quiet way. Enjoy!

            • Peter

              Well, “I Am” is definitely not a cult doc. LOL But very interesting, scientifically so. He touches hearts. And the info, especially regarding the heart, is sort of mind blowing in a quiet way. Enjoy!

    • monkeyknickers

      So (I’m trying to keep up) then it WAS Leah Remini who saw Miscavige getting patted on the ass and then wrote a KR about it? Or . . . . . um . . . . . what now?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        It sure looks like you were dead on.
        I guess I got my Dox! lol

      • richelieu jr

        Ass patting, ass-hatting.. What? Who? When?

      • villagedianne

        I was wondering about that too. Marty said on his blog that a Scientology actress saw Laurisse pat Davy on the ass, and the actress, like a good Scientologist, wrote a KR. Then the actress was hauled in for a rather brutal re-education on the e-meter.

        • Poison Ivy

          Ewwwww.

        • Kim O’Brien

          who the fuck “reports” an ass pat ?? jesus …

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Haphephobics and Scientologists?

          • Lady Squash

            Kim, first you have to understand that DM isn’t just anyone. He’s almost God. And you don’t pat God on the ass. I hope that explains things.

          • MTP

            “who the fuck “reports” an ass pat ?? jesus …” Probably was reported because it was public knowledge that Miscavige was married, and that in Scientology, Ethics are supposed to be a big deal. Leah was simply following an LRH policy that when you observe something that is “non-optimum” you have an obligation to report it. Otherwise you become an accessory to the crime.

            • Kim O’Brien

              sounds crazy to me . “non-optimum” sounds a bit subjective but hey …whatever

            • MTP

              If you were never an indoctrinated Scientologist I can understand how it might sound crazy.

          • villagedianne

            In Scientology, if you see “out-ethics” and you don’t report it, you can get in big trouble yourself.
            Of course in a cult or high-control group, you Don’t report on the boss. Malcolm X found this out the hard way, when he discovered Elijah Mohammed was having affairs with a series of young secretaries. When they became pregnant, he would pay them off. Next!

    • MTP

      No doubt whatever Flag put her through sealed the deal for her, because that level of Scientology is hardwired to blow up in it’s own face and drive people who still have their native ability to think for themselves OUT. Instead of “The Mecca of Technical Perfection” it should be properly known as “The Mecca of Cult Indoctrination”. It’s the finest example of what is wrong with Scientology organizations. The further away you get from Flag, the kinder and sane it is.

      • Poison Ivy

        Wasn’t it partly the continued Flag sec-checking that Jason Beghe said was making him worse and worse, before the GAT regging pushed him over the edge?

        • MTP

          I thought it was the repair actions/auditing he was getting, may have been associated with his auditing on the L’s that apparently didn’t go so well. From my experience getting auditing in the “church” is dodgy, a Scientologist can understand this best if he/she can see that the technical staff are all very PTS.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Are you still an auditor MTP? Haven’t seen you in a while, so just wondering.

            • MTP

              I solo audit.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              So do I! lol

            • MTP

              Like

            • Johan

              With Vodka?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Vodka is absolutely fabulous!

            • Poison Ivy

              BTN2 – this should be your new avatar!

            • Bella Legosi

              O M G!!!!!!!!!
              My mom introduced me to this show way back in middle school! I love you Bury!

            • enoughofthissh…

              Me too! Hahaha

    • Bradley Greenwood

      The passion for recruiting celebrities has really come back to bite Scientology in the ass. And by “ass”, I mean COB/pie-face/slappy/Miscavige.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      NO BTN2 NO!

      We here at Freedom Magazine — the hard-hitting organ of David Miscavige — want to make it perfectly clear what actually happened with the loud-mouthed, obnoxious, and Out Ethics Suppressive Person Leah Remini.

      None of what has been “reported” here is accurate or even remotely true in any way — except of course for the part that Leah deeply offended COB by her false reporting on a KR — a KR she later recanted as proven by her written criminal confession.

      What happened is that COB went over the guest list for Tom Cruise’s ill-advised wedding to some SP woman whose name we don’t remember.

      And COB said to Tom, “Tom, Leah Remini!? Seriously? NO TOMMY NO! Ditch that shrew! We don’t want her at the wedding! She is a pie-faced lout with a mouth on her like Norman Starkey!”

      And so Leah was taken off the invite list.

      BUT THEN LEAH CRASHED THE WEDDING!!!!!!

      Tom Cruise, being the gentleman he is, did not have her thrown out — which was a mistake just like the marriage itself.

      Factually, Leah Remini is hanging by a thread over the pit of Scientology hell. She is on the edge of earning herself “Bitter Defrocked Apostate” if she dares make any public statement about Shelly or the wedding.

      COB and Tom Cruise are very concerned and are monitoring events with Leah Remini.

      http://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/tomkat1.png?w=708&h=399

      • Poison Ivy

        “which was a mistake just like the marriage itself”

        Hilarious!.

      • Observer

        Please, I never want to hear the phrase “hard-hitting organ of David Miscavige” again as long as I live.

        • enoughofthissh…

          which organ is that?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Bwahhahahaaaa! Thanks for making me laugh, Sir!!!

      • Jgg2012

        OT8, you guys resemble the obnoxious clowns on Big Brother.

      • Pam Starling

        You are so full of delusions! I believe everything Leah is saying and NOTHING you are saying. You are lewd and obnoxious and rude. Not a nice person. I hope you all are brought DOWN!

        • http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/ Nofuxgiven

          Ma’am, it appears as though your sarcasm meter is out-of-order. You can relax as I’m pretty sure that the comment in question is actually mocking CO$.

          Members of the cult would probably not be allowed to read this site, let alone comment on it.

      • http://www.jackejett.com/ Jack E. Jett

        Not being familiar with Scientology lingo, I am assuming the above comment is meant to be humorous. And the pic with someone’s face scratched off (I did the same thing in the 8th grade when Karen Harris told the math teacher I was cheating) seems like either a joke or ????

    • Lady Squash

      Yeah. What you said! I knew Leah before she was famous. We sold auto insurance together. Can you believe that? I liked her. She was bright, funny and outspoken. So glad her family is sticking by her. I believe that is a first. What a precedent. Go Leah and family.

    • enoughofthissh…

      Yes it is awesome and fuck Dave with a red hot poker!

  • sharon brown

    2013 just keeps getting better and better ! It’s like a box of cereal or a Happy meal with a great surprise inside, but we’ve gotten extras ! I knew there was a reason I liked Leah, even though she was a Scion.Tick tock Tiny dick !

  • j238

    Why is the state of California turning a blind eye to The Hole?

    • Poison Ivy

      Here here!

    • Minion Gayle

      I don’t think it’s a “State of California” issue. I think the jurisdiction belongs to the local authorities in that area.

      Or possibly to the FBI, since it seems to cross statelines, shipping people back and forth between here (California) and Florida.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Here I thought Leah was just another narcissistic spoiled celeb. Now it turns out, she is simply a New Yorker!

    This great leak of a story confirms that Miscavige has been gutting his golden goose. I knew it was no longer enough to be a friend or associate of a Celeb or Whale. But to hear that he is grinding the celebs themselves through the mind torture has left me breathless. No wonder there has been extreme silence since 2007 when Tom Cruise called a meeting of sci celebs to speak up. Turns out That was an impossible mission.

    An entire family with a celeb smack in the middle sticking together is an image and statement that is long overdue. Perhaps members who have turned their backs on their own will start thinking with their hearts instead of destroying with their emeters.

    If Leah starts speaking out about sea org member abuse as well as coerced family disconnection And Where’s Shelly? in the media …. this qualifies for much more than a footbullet. This is Erupting Volcano. It could be a catalyst for an enormous wave of pent up rage. Is there a current member, anywhere, that isn’t hosting a personal, raging volcano inside at this very moment? I don’t think so.

    http://i39.tinypic.com/e6yp1x.jpg

    • Poison Ivy

      What THDNE2 said!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    As Tina Fey and Amy Poehler so famously said on SNL– Bitches get stuff done.

    Leah Remini’s career hasn’t been exactly stellar since the end of King of Queens, and her “departure” from The Talk was as messy as anything in reality TV these days. Miscavige has to be either congenitally tone deaf or truly living in a bubble of his own creation to not understand why it was such a bad, bad idea to tick off this woman.

    Considering the original font of CoS’s misogyny (I’m lookin’ at you, LRH), wouldn’t it be great to see a woman bring the whole tottering, sordid pile down? Talk about your Third Parties…

    • Poison Ivy

      “Miscavige has to be either congenitally tone deaf or truly living in a bubble of his own creation”

      Yes and yes.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Not just Wimmen….Roaring Mothers. Remember, Leah is a Mom too. I’ll bet she read a lot of stories about why Katie Holmes yanked Suri out when she did.

      • Poison Ivy

        You know, MrPI’s Mom was a Roaring Brooklyn Mother. Single mom, barely lower middle class but a Lioness when it came to her kids. Family loyalty runs bone deep in the Best Borough Ever. I wouldn’t doubt that Leah is thinking of her daughter’s future as she does this very brave (and very, very RIGHT) thing.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Which reminds me…I need to call my roaring Brooklyn Mother In Law!!!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Roaring Brooklyn Mothers vs. Miscavige. It’s a Rumble! (run, DM, run!)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hey Dave!

              Game on bitch!
              Now if we could just get Kirstie to have an upset and go batshit on him too!

              I think she could take him!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Take him? She would probably roast him and eat him. No, wait. She’s a Kansas girl. Make that barbecued, with lots of sauce.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Sadly, I think Kirstie’s so far in that she would be delegated to take on Leah. Then the media would (as usual) miss the real story and spend their time gleefully tsk-tsking over the cat fight.

            • Missionary Kid

              The difference is that while Kirstie’s been around longer, she’s also gotten a reputation as somewhat as a loon to us clams. Leah doesn’t have that rep. She’s better known to a whole generation that only dimly remembers Cheers.

            • Jon Hendry

              Jenna Elfman could be the anti-Leah.

            • Missionary Kid

              Possibly.

              It might be a good idea for Elfman to keep her mouth shut for two reasons. She has always played off-center characters, and that’s bound to bleed over to her public persona, lessening any impact. The other reason is that it’s not a good time to be identified as a $cion right now.

              Whatever move the {church} makes, it’s bound to be a footbullet.

              My prediction is that Laura will lay low until the she’s prodded, and Co$ doesn’t know when to leave well enough alone. They will prod her, then the fun begins.

            • Minion Gayle

              I’m sure she could take him. Probably squash him like a bug.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              .

          • Poison Ivy

            I miss mine. She was a firecracker!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Mine is too. And Mr.Nuts is “her” in bermuda shorts and a fishing shirt!

            • Poison Ivy

              Ha ha! The build ‘em to last in Brooklyn, Bury!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I remember what Derek said a couple of days ago about how kind Remini was to him.

        That went a long way with me.

  • Sherbet

    The thing that blew me away about this story is that Tony has credible sources who can get this kind of inside information.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yep. TMZ is too fascinated with Kardashians.

      • Sherbet

        You spoiled my breakfast, Dodo.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Sorry. Really. It’s necessary evil.

          • Sherbet

            :-D

      • flower

        high five

        • DodoTheLaser

          Leah?

    • 0tessa

      Because they know that Tony can be trusted for 100%!

      • Sherbet

        And he doesn’t post anything he’s not 100% sure of. Good journalist!

  • Poison Ivy

    WHOA! What a scoop, Tony!
    Sounds like the church could not audit out Leah’s basic common sense (or human decency.) Perhaps a statement by Leah could prompt other celebs and “whales” to take a closer look at the “church” they are endorsing so fanatically, and the harm it is doing to countless people.
    You write:
    “We’re told that Miscavige and his minions made multiple attempts to convince Remini that she was out of line, but their heavy-handed efforts only convinced her that her questions were valid, and that the church had no right to tell her who she could talk to and what questions she could ask.”
    This of course is the logical, non-brainwashed response to the church’s see-no-evil/say-no-evil (about CO$, that is) policies. Somewhere, some auditor (or auditors?) of Leah’s is being sent to the RPF for failing to reform her thoughts successfully.
    Stunning story. Go Leah! Go Brooklyn!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      PI, I just caught up with the Connor Cruise “worst person for my daughter to date”, Tom Cruise “I call him the Prince of Darkness” Joe Reaiche gut punching story of Tony’s and Australia mag “Woman’s Day”.

      Alanna as well as the Masterson Tribe are all part of a circling drain of scientology 3rd generation Hollywood set. The glaring fact is that Most of these kids, now young adults, have not made the Big Hitters list no matter how many scientology magic pills they swallow or how many connections stored in their iPads. Obnoxious behavior, addiction to drugs or addiction to cults has gone out of favor (except of course, as fodder for reality TV). I have hopes for this gen to wake up when the only headlines they make are about how they are behaving like 4 year olds, have slammed the door and won’t come out and talk to daddy, or mommy, because they said something they don’t like.

      • Poison Ivy

        Can you send link to that mag?

        I’d say yes and no, addiction to drugs (and obnoxious behavior) has not gone out of favor sadly. It’s an age-old response to a) narcissistic parents b) parental apathy and neglect c) sense of entitlement that so many of these kids have. I’m very very grateful that little PI did not grow up in the midst of that culture (but in a smaller town on the Eastern Seaboard). It is very hard to resist; very hard to raise a kid in LA these days if you are in “the industry.”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Here’s the website link. I believe the story is too new to show up online yet?
          http://womansday.ninemsn.com/

          Sorry to hear about the drugs back in popularity. I thought there was a pull back on this. I guess I must have blinked and missed that brief moment.

          • Poison Ivy

            Well, drugs have changed. Coke etc. still big, but prescription drugs are the staple now. So much easier to get from Mommy and Daddy’s (or your own!) medical cabinet, and technically, “legal.” Not just the xanax & klonpin family, but oxy and the various oxy family drugs and a new super powerful opioid drug, Opana, which is just evil. All the various other opioids are still popular. And (I hate to agree with CO$ on this but….) since Adderall is wildly overprescribed to these kids, it is the new speed. It’s ground up and snorted and ingested in all sorts of ways. It is the drug of choice for all those size 00 girls you see…and for others, it allows them to continue drinking long after a non-medicated person would’ve passed out cold.
            Also, at recently as a couple years ago, pretty much every kid in LA had a card for “medical marijuana.” Anxiety? Depression? Toothaches? Tennis Elbow? A “doctor” would give you a prescription. I remember in 2010 coming in to LA and being stunned at all the green crosses dotting the landscape. I have absolutely no issue with marijuana being legal but I believe it should be controlled the way alcohol is controlled. There is some persuasive medical research that in young, growing brains, it can stunt learning and concentration in the long term, and though just like occasional drinking at parties, it’s not going to hurt you, chronic longterm abuse in kids isn’t a good thing. It’s way too easy for rich kids in Hollywood to stay stoned all day long, every day. And the dope they’re smoking wasn’t the stuff I smoked in college. It’s WAYYYY more potent.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Wow, thanks for getting us up to speed. Leah Remini has a sister who had …issues. I wondered if Leah was pressured to get her into Narconon. What you detail here sheds light on why Miscavige bought Larry Hagman’s estate and plans a celeb Narconon, or that’s what story we are hearing.

              What I noticed starting back quite a few years ago now is that the women weren’t just reduced to Size 00, but they were also short and in essence they looked like little girls. It made me wonder about those who were wielding some of the Hollywood power … sicko’s perhaps. The Hollywood culture has never changed one iota over the decades, just the stage sets!

            • Poison Ivy

              Don’t get me started on this…it’s permeated more than just Hollywood. Pick up the supermarket tabloids – the cultural pressures on women to look like emaciated girls has only increased in recent years. You’d think it would be getting better but it’s not. Raising a teen girl outside of LA (but still being in the biz) and seeing the effects (esp. of Reality TV) on her non-industry connected friends showed me how much damage those influences have done.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I see just as many hormone burger girls. Either way, time for Wimmen’s Revolt II. Fortunately, grandma left notes. :)

            • Poison Ivy

              True that. But they are not represented as ideal by the media. I often wonder if they see the ideal in the media and think, “Why even try?”

            • Poison Ivy

              Not really. The Big Machine has just changed. Artists are still being abused and squeezed of their profits and those who control the distribution are STILL the ones cashing in on the artists’ work. It’s just not Big Record Companies and Big Media. anymore, it’s Big Internet. And Big Pirating. Do some research into the average artist contracts for iTunes, Pandora, etc. Ditto with Amazon for books; Netflix and iTunes for films, etc. Some of these contracts look like rape. Artists, musicians, writers, filmmakers did much better when hard product was sold – records, CD’s, books, DVD’s – that could be accounted for and audited if necessary. Successful “truly indie” distributer/artists do exist, but they are as rare as a four leaf clover…and even the best self-distributing artists generally get absorbed by Big Internet over time. It’s much easier to hide profits in number of downloads than it is number of CD’s sold. Where is antitrust law when we need it most?

            • FLUNK_101

              Thank you Poison Ivy. What about the guy who had a million plays on Pandora and got a check for $16?
              I know guy who used to have his own recording studio in midtown Manhattan. Now he records at home on the computer, like most everybody else. It’s gotten harder to run a studio and turn a profit. It just so happens that his son, who’s into the Internet, just sold “Tumblr” to Yahoo for 1.1 billion dollars. His whole family’s very excited.

            • Poison Ivy

              Well, at least his son can support him now. If I were them, I’d be excited too!
              Me, I’m not an internet genius. All I have is this writing/filmmaking thing. Harder and harder to make money at that too. Little PI barely passed college math, so I don’t think she’ll be selling any tech companies in our future either!

            • FLUNK_101

              Best wishes to you and your family, PI.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I was thinking of success as a working musician, rather than the very few big hitters. It’s a great leap from lugging truck of equipment including B3’s and Klipsch Leslie monster speakers driving 72 hours for a gig. Now you can carry a B3 sound in a chip and via many methods can play for a crowd across the world in hours.

            • stanrogers

              There’s also a disturbing correlation between heavy use in youth and permanent schizoaffective disorders. Whether that’s an indication of causation or simply an indication that THC is a semi-effective means of self-medicating incipient symptoms (in much the way that cocaine/crack seem to be the drug of choice for Type I bipolar disorder) is something that will take some determination. (Let’s be frank: forcing a bunch of kids to hit the bong hard for an extended period of time would not be ethical experimentation.) The chance of irreversible damage makes me very reluctant to condone it. And the involuntary nature of second-hand use bothers me a whole lot — you gotta be pretty damned heavy into the booze before the fumes start affecting other people. (And I speak as an alky who drank himself into five heart stoppages, two small strokes and alcoholic hepatitis before finding a way out, so I’m not exactly prudish about life’s little helpers.)

            • Poison Ivy

              I’m not either, but there is no question that substances that have only long-lasting effects on adults when they’re abused can hurt growing brains with simply regular chronic use.

            • FLUNK_101

              Marijuana is bad for growing brains … get smart first! But there is evidence that it does something good for older brains. There is evidence that it slows the onset of Alzheimer’s … of course, that’s not all it does!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              PI, this post made me cry. Can’t go into it. But… you are so right.

            • Poison Ivy

              Hugs.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I have been waiting for the barnstorming committee come by to quiet me with a large payment. If they are reading this they should know that I am open for business.

    I have also been waiting for the drug companies to come around and pay me for speaking out against Scientology. I really doubt that they are reading this. Also, they won’t answer my emails. Maybe they think I am some sort of crank.

    I think I saw Shelley as an extra in the cast of Resident Evil 3. Or maybe I have the Zombie movie confused with a Hubbard’s birthday event at the local org.

    • Poison Ivy

      Yeah, I could use some of that Big Pharma money right about now. Where are the Evil Psychs and Big Pharma drug pushers when you need them?

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I have to get a prescription filled today. At this point I would settle for 10% off.

        • Poison Ivy

          I hear ya.

  • koki

    So…..she did a KR in 2006, but John Sweeney did a documentary in 2007,and she was a big defender of cult…
    Was she there on purpose…
    Was that a test?

    Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

    • Poison Ivy

      Maybe it was part of her A&E’s?

    • stanrogers

      Perhaps you missed the part about the Truth Rundown? Unless you’re actually on your way out anyway, something like that can make you doubt your doubt for a good, long time. And there’s no basic incompatibility between believing the Scientology crap and filing a KR on its leadership (provided, of course, that you don’t touch Source).

      • koki

        It is not a same thing with celebs ,whales,and average koolaiddrinkers…
        Remember,there was 3 scio cameras ,one for john,one for crew,one for celebs.

        Big hell from LRHs Bulgravia.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          “Big hell from LRHs Bulgravia.”
          ???

          Oh No koki….did Ron come back?

          • DodoTheLaser

            Koki is ESMB resident that was missing in action, even though I appointed him
            an Ideal Eastern Europe In Charge a few month ago. Koki, vse horosho?

            • koki

              Hi,dodo…..
              I am ,everyday ,few times there…just don’t want to comment everything….
              I wait for good threads….
              Big hello from Croatia,small part of LRHs Bulgravia.
              :-)

        • stanrogers

          The hell it ain’t. You file a KR like that, and there are going to be echoes in the hallways, no matter who (or what) you are. She wouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near a camera unless she’d bowed under (for a while, at least).

          • koki

            Sorry if my English is bad….
            But I was commenting on that.
            She did KR in 2006!!??,and they force her to appear on TV in 2007!!!?!!
            Don’t try to read something ,I did not write…:-)
            We are on the same page.
            Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

            • stanrogers

              You said (and I quote): “It is not a same thing with celebs ,whales,and average koolaiddrinkers…” So I didn’t read something you didn’t write. It’s a lot of years later now, but despite the frequent foot-bullets, these are people who have had a track record of being very good at making things “didn’t happen”. Like careers. Like families. They have, as the saying goes, ways of making you talk (and of saying what they want to hear).

              Celebrities may not be Sea Org, but they’re not immune either. If they choose to be believers, or to remain within what they think is a community, then they have to toe the line like everybody else — and may, in fact, have less latitude to speak their minds because of their visibility. Does anybody really think that Isaac Hayes had a deep-seated personal problem with Trey Parker and Matt Stone before he was told to have one?

            • Poison Ivy

              I think he actually told Parker & Stone that he was forced to disconnect from them.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      As a high profile actress (King of Queens was winding down in 2006, and Remini was probably weighing options), it would not have been prudent to go public at that time.

      Here in 2013, however, all bets are off. Remini has the debacle of The Talk behind her, has been able to sustain a middling career (it is TOUGH to stay in the game after a long-running series), and has seen many others publicly, noisily depart the cult. Further, she has the support of her family, if these sources are getting it right.

      So… we shall see!

      • Poison Ivy

        The good thing about a long-running series is, she will be making very respectable residuals for years to come. And leaving the church will be a great way to preserve those residuals for Sophie’s future – NOT use them to pay for Miscavige’s private detectives, hate campaigns and empty over-decorated Idle Morgues.

        I think if she loudly left Scientology there would be those in the industry who would come out and try to work with her just as a show of support. The fear of CO$ used to run so deep in Hollywood (that’s how I got interested in it back in the late ’80’s!!) – I know plenty of people who may not be fanatical watchers like we Bunkerites but who would be rubbing their hands with schadenfreudian glee.

        • Mark

          Ach, sehr gut! – “schadenfreudian glee” = “Schadenfreudischeschadenfreude” in Dr Freud’s native tongue!

          • media_lush

            that’s easy for you to say

            • Mark

              Only when my teeth are in the right way round.

          • Poison Ivy

            Really! I love it!

  • Sherbet

    Of course, Remini’s statement — if she makes one — could be the indie party line, that she believes firmly in scientology, but it’s DM who has ruined the cos. Her tweet of the other day seems to contrardict that, but we don’t know for sure. Only Remini knows for sure.

    PS: Does anyone know the text of her tweet to Paul Haggis?

  • BosonStark

    I had kind of forgotten this, or maybe never really knew it, but not only was Shelly absent at TomKat’s wedding but Miscavige went with Laurisse! I guess Marty or Steve Hall knew this as far back as 2009, although the wedding was in 2006.

    What the hell was Katie Holmes told about Shelly and why can’t she speak about that now? It was her wedding.

    • Poison Ivy

      Someday Katie will speak, I’m convinced of it. But only after the church has been defanged enough that it can’t hurt her or Suri.

      Katie was probably so brainwashed at her wedding that she bought whatever line they gave her. Weddings in themselves can be brainwashing events. Isn’t there anyone else out there who went ahead with a wedding they knew in their guts was all wrong…just because the snowball had rolled too far down hill? What’s the solution to that? Put on the rose-colored wedding veil and smile even harder. In Katie’s case, multiply that a thousand fold!

      • monkeyknickers

        Are you reading my mail? :)

        • Poison Ivy

          Hee hee…it’s okay, sister. MrPI did it too, in his first marriage.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ok, So she was a bit late on the runaway bride routine…….but at least she finally ran away!

        ROAR!

      • Sherbet

        I’m wondering what the KR report said about Katie. Something critical, apparently.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I wanna read the whole thing. It is bound to be great.

          • Poison Ivy

            We need a mole who’ll leak some KR’s critical of the church! Now that would make for popcorn reading!

            • Sherbet

              It looks like Tony has some very effective moles, and ain’t that good news!

          • Sherbet

            Me, too, but that’s probably not likely to happen. Insert frownie face here.

  • flower
    • BuryTheNuts2

      Ah, such a guilty pleasure!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I hope the FBI in L.A. are reading it on their lunch breaks. They are describing the freaked up meltdown and lockdown of CC Int, matching Jason’s reports of L.A. Org. Whole crews getting sick from spoiled food, even more cameras, locks, security guards even to the bathrooms. Mental breakdowns, physical. And if one manages to escape anyway, more cameras, locks, guards. This isn’t in some remote Hemet valley but in the middle of tourist crowds in Hollywood.

        Remember Miscavige has been sucking out staff from the orgs to Flag, meaning even less sleep, longer slave work hours, and even smaller dribbles of cash coming into local registers. Where is the L. A. Human Trafficking unit? What is it, a 10 minute drive? We know they can’t exactly call in to the L.A. Police. This sounds like it is getting to a very sick and dangerous level.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I just hope this person (or persons) don’t get busted by the cult.
          I don’t think that would end well for them.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            On their July 2 post, they said one in their group had a complete mental breakdown and managed to escape and now no chance of escape. They mentioned they thought their friend might have blabbed. I’m concerned for all the sea org staff out there.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              GMTA, THDNE.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah, I saw that.
              That is some scary ass stuff.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              The spoiled food was served Knowing it was spoiled. that alone should get the authorities in there. How many fire escapes are locked or blocked? they could go in and get the staff out and to Kaiser Hospital or some hospital and have them examined. Forget about what they say, Look! The doctors should be able to confirm abuse. I think they are in imminent danger, and PAC too.

              Not a derail to this thread. Leah Rimini could go to the L.A. press Today and just quote a couple excerpts about the current conditions.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is no derail. That is frustration and I feel ya!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            They seem to believe that this is imminent. Seems one of their “correspondents” broke and is now in the clutches of the cult. (If I read it correctly, anyway.)

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’m not impressed so far.. Sounds gossipy and mean to me.. I want to read truthful stories with facts to back them up.. I’ve only scratched surface, but later I’ll be checking it out more carefully..

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’ve read a bit more.. There’s some mean and ugly stuff here.. Somebody’s guilding the lily.. I don’t believe this is coming from inside.. Pissed off ex, maybe..

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’m so confused.. I just spent a couple hours over there.. I don’t know where they’re coming from.. Some really interesting dish about a whole lotta stuff.. Some sounds about right and some sounds crazy.. I’m not sure what to think..

  • BosonStark

    Just some reminders about other strange things at the TomKat wedding besides the absence of Shelly.

    They were serenaded by famed Italian opera superstar Andrea Bocelli,
    and Tom Cruise himself sang The Righteous Brothers’ “You’ve Lost That
    Loving Feeling.” It was a strange choice for a wedding serenade, even if
    it was a scene from Top Gun.

    And of course, David Miscavige went on their honeymoon with them, to the Maldives. LOL

    (It’s just like any other religion, where a Catholic might take the Pope along on his honeymoon, if they were friends.)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for the reminders! I’m just envisioning Tommy boy and Davey boy’s snorkels off the shoreline with Katie in her beach cabana on the phone to Dad, the beginning of her Great Escape just a scribbled note in the sand.

      • BosonStark

        I picture Dave and Tom at a table together with their straws stuck in one large Mai Tai, as Katie is up on the hotel stage serenading the ecclesiastical couple with “Short People.”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Twisted minds think alike.

          • Bella Legosi

            You know what’s great about talking about the Holy See like this?

            “If I make fun of the Pope, the Vatican isn’t going to send someone to shove a metal pike up my ass!” Bill Maher

            http://youtu.be/RUEaMA4gRIk

            • Poison Ivy

              Yeah!

            • stanrogers

              … any more.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              holding stomach, rolling on floor

            • Bella Legosi

              “any more” is right! Catholics finally woke up and evolved before spooking the entire herd!

              Also, I am convinced that religion is slowly being replaced with atheism. Give it another 100 years and people are going to think Jesus was really a guy in Phish.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Hahahaha! Awesome vid, Bella!

              “And when I insult scientology, the worst that happens is it…”

              I laugh every time I see it! I love Bill Maher (and Craig Ferguson).

            • Bella Legosi

              Yeah, I love both of them as well! That is pretty much how I feel about organized religion in general. Although I do admit having difficulty respecting Islam. Something about literal interpretation and killing school girls doesn’t sit well with me. And I know not every Muslim believes in it, but goddamn how many school girls really need to die before they calm the fuck down?

        • Missionary Kid

          *Snort!*

    • Poison Ivy

      “(It’s just like any other religion, like where a Catholic might take the Pope along on his honeymoon, if they were friends.)”

      Ha ha! (I just had an image of the Pope in scuba gear that made me laugh. With the hat and all)

      • Sherbet

        Oh, gosh, I’m laughing at that, PI! And I can’t stop!

      • FLUNK_101

        Ah … first laugh of the day. Thx.

        • Poison Ivy

          If only Monty Python still existed, that would make a perfect skit for them! Terry Jones as His Holiness, of course.

    • villagedianne

      Do we know for a fact that Miscavige went on the honeymoon?

      • BosonStark

        It’s in Andrew Morton’s biography of Cruise “that Miscavige joined Cruise and Holmes on their 2006 honeymoon in the Maldives.”

        Cruise lawyers contested several things in the book (probably mostly minor), but never brought that up specifically.

        • Sherbet

          Love it, Boson. DM sure loves his numbers.

    • Poison Ivy

      “You’ve lost that lovin’ feeling”….

      Hmmm…maybe TC is indeed a “Big Being” who can see the future. That song was a little bit of foreshadowing for Katie, wasn’t it?

      • N. Graham

        Ya, really, kind of strange for a wedding song isn’t it? Kind of like using Greg Kihn’s “The Break-Up Song” or “It Ain’t Me Babe.”

      • Missionary Kid

        Eventually, Katy would sing, “You’re breaking my heart, you’re tearing it apart, so Fuck You.”
        Thank you Nilssen

    • Sherbet

      Aw, Boson, it was funnier before you edited.

    • Observer

      Crap. Disqus is choking on images again.

    • Observer

      The most ecclesiastical honeymoon EVER.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Liked it the first way you said it just fine.

        • Observer

          Disqus won’t let you (or me, anyway) post the exact same thing twice so I had to change the wording.

      • Sherbet

        Observer is on her game again!

      • Poison Ivy

        Brilliant!

  • HeatherGraceful

    Leah, respect. It’s refreshing to hear of a celeb who not only noticed what was happening to SO staff but tried to do something about it. Glad to read this.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That took hella guts for her to do what she did.
      And she had to know what the fallout would be like.

      I wonder if she went to the University of Chicago?

      (Yes, that was a ‘balls’ joke)

  • skippress

    Waiting in the lobby of the Wm. Morris Agency one time with Leah Remini cussing nearby with friends, I was impressed by her pissed-off sailor mouth. Now I’m thinking, you go, girl! How many more celebrities can they lose before The Midget’s house of cards catches fire and burns to the ground?

    • Poison Ivy

      Hey Skip, nice to see you back!

      • Sherbet

        Ditto that.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah, it is..

    • Sherbet

      How many more celebrities do they have?? With the exception of JT and TC, the rest of their celebs aren’t really worthy of the label. Anne Archer? ANNE ARCHER?

      • Poison Ivy

        Now, now. Anne Archer was pretty much the B plus-list “wife of the hero” for major features for about ten years there. She’s still somewhat of a name in TV. And she’s a survivor of the toughest profession – she’s been a regularly working actress since the ’60’s. I have met her on set and she was sweet and kind and gracious; and very professional in her work.

        As a human being (or rather, a brainwashed Scilon sock puppet) that’s another story. But she’s got a body of work behind her that carries some weight. If she were a man, she’d be a top character actor. But because she’s a woman, she tends to be looked at (like most everyone her age except practically Helen Mirren) as a beauty beyond her expiration date.

        • Spackle Motion

          You made me go look up her resume on IMDb, and I forgot that she was on the “L Word”. Even though that show was rather campy, I watched it religiously.

          “If she were a man, she’d be a top character actor”. Sad but true. I saw a documentary the other day on Netflix about 5-6 character actors and they were all men. Now that I think about it, there are very few female character actors. That is very, very sad.

          • Poison Ivy

            Yes, it’s a shelf life issue. If you start out trying to be a leading man and age and end up a character actor, that’s a great career for a man. A woman who starts out based on her beauty rarely has that option (Yay Helen Mirren!!!!!!!).
            Speaking of character actors, FX’s “The Americans” (INCREDIBLE series – shows the cult-like mindset of both sides of the Cold Way) – Margo Martindale gets an amazing role in it – a famous female character actor who usually plays the mom or the boss or best friend in TV & features. A really historic casting choice.

            • Sherbet

              She was terrific in “Justified.”

          • wontons

            I saw that documentary as well–“That Guy Who Was In That Thing.” “Searching for Debra Winger” is worth seeing for a look at women’s careers in Hollywood.

            I, too, would like to know more about Elisabeth Moss’ current status in the cult.

          • Jon Hendry

            The two that come to mind, and I’m not sure if they’re really “character actors” as such, would be TV people like Holland Taylor and Doris Roberts.

            • Missionary Kid

              Holland rocks.
              I’d like to see her Broadway show.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          For me, her personality leaked through whatever character she was playing. It’s like the musician who can play a thousand technically impressive notes but leaves you cold and flat.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            “For me, her personality leaked through whatever character she was playing.”

            Me too…and I found out there wasn’t one…..(a personality)

            • Missionary Kid

              Kinda like the old line about Oakland, that there was no there there.

          • Poison Ivy

            Yes, there is a coldness. She was gracious and sweet but not “warm” in any way.

            TC “acts” warm, but I don’t see it in him. JT I think is actually a kind person under it all; he’s just so warped by his years in the cult and the closet.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              “gracious, sweet, not warm in any way” Hey, that sounds like she was Acting Nice. heh

        • Sherbet

          OK, PI, I believe you, but my point is she’s not the prize plum to be trotted out as the face of scientology (a horrible mixed metaphor there; sorry!). Her star is falling, not rising, and not burning brightly. But she’s almost the best they have.

          • Poison Ivy

            True that.

          • Kim O’Brien

            yeah – i wish i could care who she is ….oh well , every little bit helps overall i suppose

          • Robert Eckert

            She’s kind of an old chestnut to be a prize plum.

      • skippress

        Excellent question. I suspect Bigmouth Will Smith is distancing himself after his $cientology-riddled “After Earth” crap bombed like a turd-filled volcano. Sooner or later, dumb as these $cientology actors are – and Anne Archer is VERY STUPID – they start to figure out that when they push the cult their careers go downhill, and when they push Dwarfid Miscavage their bank accounts go way down. I notice Vonnie Ribisi’s down to doing a TV show again. He’s a loveable dunce and quite talented but his mama’s nuts and his dad’s utterly clueless. I like what I read about Leah’s $cientology family sticking by her. If more of that happened, the cult would be toast.

        • Sherbet

          “turd-filled volcano” isn’t exactly what Jefferson Hawkins had in mind!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            But “Counterfeit Turd-Filled Volcano Dreams” was probably edited down by the publisher. Just sayin’.

        • Poison Ivy

          I feel so bad for the second and third generation kids, but at a certain point, they have the same choice as Jenna – to listen to their gut and save themselves, or to bury it all and have your soul destroyed.

          • skippress

            Don’t feel too bad. The actors like Vonnie have plenty of exposure to alternate points of view. When someone with a big mouth like Leah (who is generally highly like in group situations) leaves, it’s noticed, and there’s another chance for them to act. Unfortunately, we often don’t hear much about those who leave post-$cientology like we have with the highly admirable Jason Beghe. If we did, more who stay might bolt.

            • noseinabk

              A Beghe and Remini video would be awesome. Grinning just thinking about that.

            • Anonymookme

              Oh, hell yes. A video of Beghe & Remini would be a cornucopia of F bombs and fudder muckers!

            • mook

              Add the Presley women (Lisa Marie, Riley and Priscilla who’s allegedly followed the rest of her family’s lead and distanced herself from the cult) and there will be more bleeps than an episode of Maury.

            • Poison Ivy

              Here here. Though I do not blame those who fear losing family, or simply fear their lives will be destroyed. Some people are just not cut out to be heroes. Thank God we have so many REAL heroes – all you exes who visit here!

            • MTP

              Not héros, just mustered enough courage after being bitch slapped hard enough. (It’s what they specialize in at FLAG in Clearwater, BTW. )

            • Jeffrey Levine

              I think Beghe’s career blossomed after he left, Atlas Shrugged, Chicago Fire… Never used to see the guy in anything major.

            • skippress

              There’s a long list of celebrities where that happened. Did you know The Grateful Dead did the communications course at the short-lived Celebrity Centre in San Francisco? Bob Mithoff (Ray’s brother) and some others ran the place… into the ground. Did you know Christopher Reeve quit $cientology while making Superman? Jerry Seinfeld did a bunch of stuff at Celebrity Centre NY then called it b.s. – his career did fine, didn’t it?

            • Poison Ivy

              Don’t forget Californication! LOVE him in that!

            • DodoTheLaser

              The Next Three Days was a movie that I enjoyed.
              Also, Californication.

          • MTP

            True but a difficult choice sometimes does not look like a choice at all for those who are mired in the matrix.

            • Poison Ivy

              Definitely see that. I’ve been in such a place before (not in regards to a cult, in regards to a business situation) and sometimes one really is terrified to see the way out. The devil we know and all that. But for most of us, that inner voice starts screaming at some point, too loud to be ignored. Those of us outside of a cult can listen – but “thought stopping” (“crimestopping” in “1984”) really does just that – it drowns out the inner truth even when it is screaming. That’s when people get sick, depressed, self-destructive or other-destructive in response. I bet a lot of people actually get ill in CO$ just from the cognitive dissonance and denial.

            • MTP

              Get ill? in the Cof$ ? Nawwwwww………DIE MAYBE. LOL. Suicide anyone? How about financial suicide? Seriously. No question. PTS for DAMN SURE.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you for this profound post, PI!
              I really think you nailed it 100%.

        • InTheNameOfXenu

          Hi Skip, Good to see you back on this blog. I hope Leah’s family stick by her. This will be an example for others to follow. I could care less how anyone leaves $cientology ,whether it’s all the way out or ‘Indie’. The more people leave, the less money that’ll flow in which equals cash starvation for the cult. At this rate with this most recent purge/exodus; I can’t see the cult being around for very long. I give them 20 years tops.

          • skippress

            Thanks, Xenu. ;-) 20 years?! Aren’t you generous. Two years far as I’m concerned. They’re toothless now; even reptiles find it hard to survive without sustenance.

            • Poison Ivy

              Oh I hope you’re right, Skip!

          • MTP

            I think the cults cash reserves mean it will have a long shelf life posing as a “humanitarian group” while it provides only the most expensive services to the ever dwindling faithful at the Mecca of Cultural Indoctrination. Only those on the outside will have the luxury of pointing at the large edifice from the outside and calling it for what it really is, an empty shell.

        • Guest

          Not somebody I consider a celebrity, but definitely stupid: Jim Meskimen announced that he auditioned for America’s Got Talent. It seems he’s on the show tomorrow.

        • Ka-Pow!

          Not somebody I consider a celebrity, but definitely stupid: Jim Meskimen announced that he auditioned for America’s Got Talent. I think he’ll be on the show tomorrow.

          • Poison Ivy

            Ouch.

          • skippress

            In the 1980s, when everyone from Tamara Wilcox-Smith’s improvisational comedy group Interplay moved out there, they did a performance at a theater on Sunset Blvd. Ron Howard and Henry Winkler were there (Jim’s mother Marian Ross played Mrs. Cunningham on “Happy Days”). They both pleaded with Jim (very talented and funny guy) to get out of $cientology and they’d help him hit the top with his career. Naturally, he didn’t. Now Howard gives him small parts in his films, like he does with his brother Clint Howard. Unfortunately, I talked Jim out of leaving $cientology and gave him a ride to his mother’s house in the early 1980s when I was being a volunteer ethics officer at ASHO. Once he and his wife were living out here, when I got out of $cientology, my wife and kids and I were at a Chucky Cheese when the Meskimens and their kids showed up. They wouldn’t talk to us and gave us incredibly hateful looks because we’d left $cientology. Yeah, he’s definitely stupid, but he and his wife are also incredibly arrogant about $cientology. Maybe I’ll let Howard Stern know that Jim’s a $cientologist. Neither he nor Howie Mandel think much of the cult, so feel free to tell them yourself.

            • Ka-Pow!

              Thanks for the background information (and sorry for having posted my previous comment twice, don’t know what happened there).
              He seems to be really into $cientology still, as demonstrated here:

              http://blownforgood.com/?p=106

            • skippress

              Go leave a sweet message on his community Facebook page, I did.

              https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jim-Meskimen/52090943391

            • aquaclara

              I looked; I just had to. You wrote a nice simple note.

              Following that, two clams claimed “Scientology Police!!” to have it removed.

              They missed this- On FB, 4th grade rules should apply: no tattling OR whining.

              I’m sure a few more will chime in before long….

            • DodoTheLaser

              Before it goes away:

              [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/k31281.png[/IMG]

              https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jim-Meskimen/52090943391

            • aquaclara

              Oh, excellent save! Thanks, Dodo!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Very welcome, Aqua! Please donate to SMERSH, they cut me my checks.

            • Billy Bob

              LOL! Nice enturbulating, Skip!

              That show is awful, and he’s stooping so low as to “audition” on a TV talent show!
              I mean, isn’t the intent of such a show to discover fresh, new talent out of a pool of hopeful amateurs? Jim Meskimen is an old man and been in the business, albeit in a tiny, pitiful way. Has he no shame? Oh yeah…Scientology.

            • skippress

              Hate to disagree, Billy Bob, you just know I do, but I like the show. Or maybe I just like looking at Heidi Klum. To me, knowing how talented Jim actually is, but also how much he threw away to pursue $cientology, it’s a tragedy.

            • Lady Squash

              Go Tom McCafferty who speaks up for differing points of view and free speech.

        • Ka-Pow!

          Not somebody I consider a celebrity, but definitely stupid: Jim Meskimen announced that he auditioned for America’s Got Talent. I think he’ll be on the show tomorrow.

        • Johan

          Quite so if only people were brave enough to talk about their doubts amongst each other they might leave together….then the cult would be f&*^cked

          • Poison Ivy

            That’s how Scientology is so brilliantly evil – it’s set up so you can’t talk to one another, or else it “won’t work.”

      • ze moo

        Travolta has been praising Lroon and the Clam scam in recent interviews. He appears to be doing some steps A thru whatever….. His recent outspokenness is a bit of a surprise, though he has been a good public cleb clam for the last 30 years or so. JT’s recent batch of interviews have been the only positive pr the lroners have received outside of paid for prweb like sites.

        • Sherbet

          You’re right, ze moo. JT remains a mystery, partially because his personal life has been rocky in the past few years.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            His personal life has been ‘nutty” for more than the last few years…..

            • Sherbet

              Definitely. I’m including Jett’s death, though, and that was an all-around tragedy.

              Hiding the whole gay or not gay thing is not such a tragedy. It’s a farce.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ah, so true…

        • Poison Ivy

          Don’t forget Elizabeth Moss recently.

          It breaks my heart that she’s a Clam – she is so immensely talented. That woman can play a whole scene using just her eyes.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            and jumping from Ann Archer to Eliz Moss…same thing. Her personality eeks through and sends shivers up the spine. I remember her dad from years ago, although briefly. Seemed the hot/cold type, could turn it on and off in a snap. But he had a good run music biz wize. And I Do so love Mad Men. It’s like watching a movie about one of my stepfamily, big ad man and same time frame. And there Was that much constant smokin’ boozin’ womanizin’ going on in the formative days, only the offices weren’t NY.

            • Poison Ivy

              We don’t hear much about her on these sites…I’d be curious to know more.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              We don’t hear much about Karen Black either… I believe she is ill now.

            • Poison Ivy

              She hasn’t worked since forever, has she?

            • ScooterLibbby

              Many, many years ago, when the Chicago “church” was in Rogers Park, a nearby store had this graffiti on the side: “Fuck you Karen Black”. I always wondered what she did to piss someone off there. Since the “church” was moved to Lakeview, I never see limos around here much, it was a 2-3 times a day occurrence & that’s why Travolta always stayed at an Evanston hotel when he visited Chicago, less than 4 miles away.

      • N. Graham

        I think Haywood Nelson is still in.

        • Sherbet

          Who?

          • N. Graham

            Exactly. (He was in What’s Happening).

    • Spackle Motion

      SKIP!!! We’ve missed you.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Helllllo Skip!

    • FLUNK_101

      Mr Skip!

    • Lady Squash

      I also loved her sailor mouth. Ya know, she’s so cute when she’s angry.

  • Bella Legosi

    You know what the sad part is?

    Leah’s actions inside the church are completely and utterly normal. She is asking serious questions regarding what is being said about her religion; questions that should be freely asked and answered. When the answer hadn’t satisfied her and witnessing what she believed to be wrong; she did what she was supposed to do in her religion! For this action I am sure Flagg (yes that was on purpose) gave her hell for doing what she knew to be right. And this is where it gets sad……….here you have an adherent (a vocal and intelligent one at that) who saw something wrong and went about trying to change it through her religions own system; only to be “sec checked” and thought to have “evil purpose”. This story right here should prove beyond a doubt that the “most ethical people on the planet” really don’t give a shit about humanity; they care only about their leader and their image. I think Leah had begun to see the light.

    This is why people call Co$ a cult. When it looks like a cult, talks like a cult, acts like a cult, smells like a cult……..goddamn you know what that is kids? A CULT!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Nice Post Bella!

      • Bella Legosi

        Thank you
        :)

  • Truthiwant

    This whole KR thing works on a “Who’s the least important person gets in to trouble” basis.

    I once wrote a KR on a Scientologist because he had been having sex with somebody I knew well (without saying who, but I reckon you can all guess). Understandably, I was not in agreement to what had been going on and so I wrote a formal KR on this person.

    Nothing happened because this person was a quite prominent Scientologist in the area and he was continually bringing fresh meat in to the shop and was also paying up for his OT levels.

    As for me, on the other hand, I didn’t have any more money then and I was begining to become a trouble maker and so the moral of the tale is

    “if you have to write a KR on somebody more important than you, make sure you can back it up with lots of money to give to the Organization.”

    Much better than that, however, would be to just up yourself from the cult and piss off.

    Maybe the only thing about the KR I wrote that might have an effect on this individual one day is if he himself were to ever leave the Organization. That is when the Church pulls out the filth on you.

  • Gary B

    Would it not be possible to ask the authorities to perform a welfare check on Shelly Miscavige? I know that is done in cases where an elderly person, for example, has not been seen or heard from for a period of time. It might at least be instructive to have the police show up where she is alleged to be and guage the reaction of the $cientologists.

    • Poison Ivy

      Yes, I don’t get why this hasn’t been done.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It’s been done– or tried. The CoS seems to have compromised law enforcement in some jurisdictions. In some cases just key people. This is based only on what I have seen on the ‘net, where protesters or “concerned citizens” have attempted to work with law enforcement, and have been instead treated as if they were the problem.

      The CoS has a LOT of money to spread around, that’s for sure…

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Someone, please jog our collective memory… Didn’t [her attorney] come out with a statement at one point saying that she is alive and well and off on retreat or something?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Well. Of. Course. That’s where she is… on a religious retreat. For seven years.

        • Poison Ivy

          One of the Brit tabloids posted something on the missing Shelley mystery. They were immediately contacted by “Shelley’s attorney” who claimed (in Shelley’s name) that she was alive and well and “doing work for the church.” I’m sure they threatened libel as well, which everybody does in the UK. So the tabloid printed the above and a semi-retraction.
          Well, excuse me. Why didn’t SHELLEY call the tabloid herself? “Shelley’s attorney?” Hello, to whom would Shelley have turned over her POA before her ‘disappearance’? Only one person. HER HUSBAND. Her husband would presumably have had carte blanche to talk to an attorney in her name and get that letter written.
          Oh – and her husband happens to be the head of the damn {church}.

      • Jon Hendry

        “Retreat”, “decomposition”, to-may-to, to-mah-to.

  • claybonnyman

    Short of becoming a celebrity, joining the “church” of $cientology, bowing down to the babble of L. Drone Hubblebub, then quitting and standing up for what’s right….

    What then must we do, the rest of us non-clams, to play our own small part in bringing this thing crashing down?

    I intend it as a serious question.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Serious answer:
      Point and Laugh.

      Seriously, the J&D shredding them is what educates a lot of people who wouldn’t otherwise show any interest.

      Thank Xenu!

      Of course, there are other things too. Commenting on other stories, on neutral sites.
      Educating friends, family….the box boy at Publix.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    A few days ago, Synthia F. commented that Leah is the type of person she wouldn’t mind hanging out with. I couldn’t see that for myself; my impression was gleaned from the little I do know of her and the report that Sweeney did. I do now! You, go! And, any time you are in DC, come on over and I will do some cookin’!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I can see Synthia’s point.
      Leah’s got a nice sharp edge.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    The extremist rules of official orthodox Scientology are the problem. It’s the rules, and the lesson is that some groups force their members to make these choices, about following the rules “voluntarily.”

    Well the obvious sane thing for these people is to BREAK the rules, and depart that group with the extremist rules.

    When the group stops enforcing it’s extremist rules, and evolves to allow normal human family communication, depsite people’s differences of belief, then fine.

    Scientology needs to let the outside world’s “enturbulation” and objections, into their movement, and DEAL with the objections.

    Why the heck doesn’t Scientology just stop being fanatical and extremist, stop their shunning, and deal with their high priced required donations, and stop their extremist rule application on their members?

    It’d be so simple to undo the most hated parts of official orthodox Scientology, just stop their extremist application of their shunning, and arm twisting overzealous salesmanship.

    If people in the movement could just face the valid criticism. Fanatical Scientologists hide behind their convenient extremist shunning rules that act like an internal police system.

    Good for Leah Remini and her supportive family! More need to buck this extremist rule system that deserves all the criticism it gets.

    Chuck Beatty
    ex Sea Org 1975-2003
    866-XSEAORG toll free advice

    PS: the Truth Rundown is so easily misapplied. If one has firsthand seen or experienced irrational vicious behavior by David Miscavige, one is guaranteed going to suffer backlash if one criticizes Miscavige for Miscavige’s behavior. Because the Truth Rundown just won’t work, it cannot make one un-see what one saw or un-remember having been beaten and humiliated by David Miscavige! Amy Scobee’s book covers the predicament she was in, when she was doing the Truth Rundown on the RPF. And I saw from afar, I was on the RPF out at the Int Ranch, when Ray Mitoff came to do it. I imagine Ray’s mind reform must have been about the trickiest mind reform anyone’s ever had to do. Also I watched as Mark Yager had to do his mind reform also, another completely unfathomable mind reform for Mark. How both men, who’d firsthand experienced dozens of demeaning irrational beratings and petty violence from David Miscavige had to do hundreds of hours of self searching transgression admissions, only to balance out and make their anti Miscavige thoughts go away. That is brainwashing, if you ask me! Mike Sutter was on the Int RPF also, he gleefully, to me, just accepted all his Truth Rundown, and just has mentally compartmentalized in the unique way that these senior leaders have to mentally compartmentalize and redefine in their heads, re-catatogorize David Miscavige’s irrational behavior into justified and normal reactions, it would be interesting to hear from them, how the mentally re-wrote history in their heads, in order to get through the Truth Rundown brainwashing.

    • stateofcircle

      To me, the RPF and Truth Rundown is nearly identical to Winston’s treatment from O’Brien in the Ministry of Love, and the RPF eventually becomes Room 101.

      The parallels between Scientology ethics and Nineteen Eighty-Four are just staggering to me. I know it’s been mentioned casually here and there, but it really is substantial. To be Chuck for a moment, I think it would be fascinating for someone to write a book comparing 1984 to Scientology.

      Freedom is Slavery.
      Ignorance is Stregnth.
      Altering the past, i.e. removing Marty’s name from the “War is over!” speech, Hubbard’s military, marriage and education records.
      All of the “Golden Age” garbage is straight out of the Ministry of Truth.
      Emmanuel Goldstein = ex members; “Two Minutes Hate”
      Being brought in and forced to confess evil thoughts, and if there are no evil thoughts are crimes, you will be manipulated into manufacturing them and eventually believing them.
      Telescreens = video/audio in auditing rooms, and even the slightest twitch can give you away.
      Victory Mansions = Any and all Sea Org berthing.
      Thoughtcrimes = Counterintention.
      Reporting Thoughtcrimes = Knowledge reports
      Redefining love and sec by taking taking the humanity out of it through calling it 2D (Newspeak), being forced to confess every sordid detail as if it were wrong, banning marriages and children in the SO.
      Obviously creating it’s own version of Newspeak that takes any emotional or intelligent meaning out of words and though, such as TR’s, Comm, Backflash, Counterintention, Theta, 2D – hell, all of the Dynamics -, Ser Fac, etc.

      I could go on…and on and on and on, because these parallels kind of blow my mind, and I really want someone to write something about this, especially because I think it would really resonate with the rest of the world.

      • Robert Eckert

        Right on, especially about the Newspeak, which I’ve always found one of the most striking elements of the cult.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        A great TV series of the thought crap of Scientology, would be funny to watch.

        • Jon Hendry

          An episode of Community where someone in the cast gets roped into Scientology or something like it could be good.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks Chuck! Always interesting to read your experiences, thoughts and observations.

      It reminds the time when I was in ethics (because somebody decided I called a false F/N,
      which later turned out I didn’t) and one of the supervisors asked me when I’m going back on course
      (I think I was in the middle of Senior Security Checker), I replied – dunno, probably never, because I am
      not doing fucking lower conditions again. He advised me just to go with the flow. Yeah, ok.
      Never finished a fucking course.

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    Wow, my level of respect for her just went “straight up and vertical.” So she dared to ask the question all the other celebrity sheep are terrified to utter. That’s awesome.

    On another note to my eyes Shelly really resembles Mary Sue Hubbard in that photo. Perhaps that restimulated little Davey’s overt of having treated Mary Sue so terribly? Had to send her away and drown himself in Scotch to quiet those nattering BTs?

  • Bella Legosi

    And who else is very happy that ” several sources with detailed, inside knowledge” contacted Tony about this story? HA LIttle Boots is prolly tearing his hair out (and prolly some officers hair as well) to get to the bottom of this ‘leak’. And that should show to those inside just how easy it is to enturbulate someone with no reactive mind; as well as validate what has been said by those who have left and spoken out!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      They are “leaking” like a collander!

      Everybody seems to be talking! And that Scientology Celebrity blog seems to be ruffling some serious feathers too.

      Look at all the “still in” folks we have posting here!
      This is such a speeding mack truck of epic entheta.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Over the weekend I was wondering if a certain recently sprung jailbird (Reed Slatkin) is already working on a tell all book from room at the Long Beach halfway house. Now That would be Smack Mack Attack!

        http://youtu.be/WYIgx38T2Ck

      • Poison Ivy

        I never heard of that blog until today. Tony, can you interview the proprieters of it and find out what their end game it?

        It’s pretty fascinating.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          If they really are embedded staff/sea org, then that may be difficult.
          I am still not sure what to think of that blog, but I sure love reading it.
          Especially the latest post.

          • Bob

            Bury, I can say with no uncertain terms, those guys or gals or what, know what they are talking about. There info is straight poop. Excuse the term.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well they certainly have held my attention!
              Thanks Bob.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Damn, I was just about to do the dishes. Oh and yeah, I think it best to let that blog be and keep simmerin’ on its own.

        • Lilaeth

          I think they have issues with some posts that they say appeared on the Bunker about them – they put up something on 30 May about it.

          • aquaclara

            Maybe they will look beyond that. No one knew at the time who they were, or what they were about. Since then, they have posted some very interesting insider views.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yeah, there was a flap.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Mostly a reaction to what we were saying here (and I was one of the ones sayin’ it). They do not seem to have any beef with Tony.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah and Mike Rinder gets tons of leaks too, seems like.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Not to worry. I hear John Travolta has lots of extra rugs in his closet.

      • Bella Legosi

        An he’s insured with the uber cool “Bob Packwood” package!

      • FistOfXenu

        DM in black hair? Yikes.

  • scnethics

    I’m pretty sure what Leah asked at the wedding was, “Where the Fuck is Shelly?”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That was definitely “comment of the month”.

    • Xique

      I used the same phrase/question later in the day, not noticing you beat me to it. Here I am trying to break my habit of swearing , but I couldn’t help myself. WTFIS!

  • Gerard Plourde

    It’s amazing how things appear to be accelerating. No telling what’s going to happen next. I don’t want to get too optimistic, but could we be approaching the tipping point?

    • Bella Legosi

      I sure hope so! With the net, it amazes me that it really hasn’t happened sooner.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’m think it’s more like The Tipping Year, Gerard.

    • Phil McKraken

      We’ll only recognize the tipping point in retrospect. We may be past it already.

      • Missionary Kid

        One can hope we’ve passed it.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I just did an image search on Remini!
    She must have been in ethics trouble…a LOT.

    • richelieu jr

      You’d never seen her? Yowsah!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, I had. I loved king of queens.
        But I was surprised to see some of those pics!
        Especially the big bird cage one.

  • pronoia

    Good for Leah Remini. And I hope that like Paul Haggis, she will see her horizons expand.

    • Poison Ivy

      If these kids were raised by “Applied Scholastics,” they all have education issues.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Does he not have Internet? Not have an eBook Library? Not have wealth? Not have world wide business and social connections? Can he not read? Can he not see all his former friends’ mothers and fathers on the SP list? Can he not hear children crying for their busy OT parents? Did he not hear stories from his sister’s boyfriend? Does he not have heart? A conscience?

      I feel badly for the Derek Bloch’s. Connor is a young adult now and is responsible for his actions and inactions, his statements and his silence, just like his father.

  • Xique

    This is the one question I want answered, so I tell my husband. Forget all the appalling scandals, court cases, broken families, suicides, murders, horror stories that bring up questions that need answers. Just answer me this, where’s SHELLY?
    “How should I know?” is often the reply I get. “Try asking” is what I always say.
    A ridiculous conversation, but I’m trying to single out this mystery for him.
    Two words. Where’s Shelly?

  • Wheres Shelly

    Hi,

    I believe it is time to begin a concerted and highly embarrassing campaign against the COS which I am calling “Where’s Shelly?” This question can be printed on banners, t-shirts, postcards, made into an email logo, etc ad infinitum. These banners, posters, flyers and anything else you can think of can be placed outside every Church Of $cientology around the globe. Don’t worry, there’s not many left. Authorities not investigating this will also be brought to task. That is, such as those whose job it is to enforce the law on behalf of Tax payers. Criminal law enforcement allow Miscavige to continue his very disturbing and unlawful activities. These include the new revelations about his particular involvement at certain ‘very warm and steamy ALL-MALE’ establishments in the Los Angeles area …….

    • flower

      These include the new revelations about his particular involvement at certain ‘very warm and steamy ALL-MALE’ establishments in the Los Angeles area …….
      EXPLAIN NOW

      • BuryTheNuts2

        That was tone 40, flower.
        Good job.

        • flower

          ah ah I’m a Very Curious Gal

        • dbloch7986

          You have been reading Scientology for far too long…tone 40…LOL

          How do you feel about joining me for Marti Gras next year??? I am definitely going…

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That sounds hella fun!

    • Lilaeth

      ‘very warm and steamy ALL-MALE establishments’

      Are those what I think they are?? :-O

      • Jon Hendry

        Davey’s been seeing a Catholic church on the side?

    • Bella Legosi

      Could take out some ads in the local paper with her picture and MISSING…….just saying……not sure what that costs or how you would be able to pull it off without Co$ jumping on it, but it is an idea and one that would reach a lot of people who don’t even know who Shelly is or why it is so damn important that she has been missing for so long many wonder why she hasn’t been declared legally dead!

      • Wheres Shelly

        Exactly. Great idea. Many thanks. it was i whom first proposed anonymous protests way back when. so that’s turned out ok. Is the location in http://www.countyofriverside.us/ ??

        • Captain Howdy

          “it was i whom first proposed anonymous protests way back when. so that’s turned out ok”

          So protesting CoS was your idea, but you don’t know where gold base is located?

          • Wheres Shelly

            I know it must be hard for folks such as yourself but do learn to read every word in a sentence before making an uninformed and ‘I’m right’ judgement . I said ‘anonymously’.

        • Bella Legosi

          My ideas are always free of charge!

          • Wheres Shelly

            Appreciated.

    • sugarplumfairy

      What revelations are they? I haven’t heard that about miscavige.. Docs, baby.. No rumor mongering here.. We want facts.. Of course, I’m hoping it’s true..

      • Captain Howdy

        I smell…

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Then take a shower, for goodness sake.

          • Captain Howdy

            My cats don’t seem to mind.

            • Jon Hendry

              Are they hungry? You might not want to turn your back on them.

        • sugarplumfairy

          me too..

          • Captain Howdy

            we shouldn’t be doubtful though, seeing as how protesting CofS back in 2008 was this person’s idea . :)

    • Artoo45

      If His Imperial Angryness did indeed attend a few sweaty, red-hot, all-male, bath house soirées at the Tool Shed™, Ram Rage™ or Uncle Slinky’s Goodtime F*#k Hut™ it would only make him more interesting. I, for one, don’t want him to be more interesting or human. I prefer him all starched, repressed and caculating in a boozy, cold, reptilian rage.

    • Robert Eckert

      Dox or STFU. No, I don’t believe Miscavige is gay: he seems to have glommed on to Laurisse pretty quickly once he put Shelley wherever.

      • media_lush

        as one who has ear to the ground more than most to this sort of thing it’s a new one to me….. although I can picture tiny fists wearing a strap-on some how

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah.. There’s enough true evil in co$.. No need to manufacture any..

      • 1subgenius

        So come on and give it to me
        Anyway you can
        Anyway you want to do it
        I’ll take it like a man.
        But please baby please
        Don’t leave me in this jam Mickey.
        (Toni Basil)

      • Wheres Shelly

        If you say so.

    • Minion Gayle
      • sugarplumfairy

        just ordered 2.. One for me and one for cousin.. For our next visit to the Philly org.. If it’s even still open..

        • Minion Gayle

          I like to wear mine to work, so I can explain in detail to anyone “foolish” enough to ask who Shelley is and why we want to know where she is. ;-)

    • Ms. B. Haven

      The campaign portion of your post might be a good idea, but without some documentation regarding Miscavige’s involvement in the alleged sleazy establishments this whole post becomes questionable. There are lots of folks here at the Bunker and elsewhere who have related personal experiences that incriminate DM but to throw around accusations with no backup is an insult to the integrity of this blog. Tony has proven himself to be a journalist of the highest order. Show some respect for that and bring on the docs and then we’ll talk.

      • Wheres Shelly

        uh huh.

    • dbloch7986

      LOL Gross. Somehow I doubt his diminutive highness would be able to satisfy a partner. I’m sure he’s on steroids, which means…well you get the idea.

  • Wheres Shelly
  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Hopefully Leah R will speak out publicly and loudly against Miscavige. In 1996, Kathie Lee Gifford had her career trashed because her company used sweat shop labor in Bangladesh where adults and children worked around the clock, had little to eat, and slept on the factory floor. Any church celeb with any smarts has to know that Miscavige has turned the church of Scientology into one huge, slave labor sweatshop and that there are documented reports of children, as young as six, performing manual labor at child work camps called “schools,” and working around the clock in church offices. Although it appears that Leah has stood up to Miscavige inside the church, unless she and other church celebs demand an end to the slave labor, and distance themselves fast from Miscavige et al, their careers will be just as trashed as Gifford’s.

    • MissCandle

      Good comparison.

  • MTP

    I really hope for Scientologys sake that Leah reaches as many Scientologists as she can on the back channels, quietly making it safer for others to look for themselves and regain their courage. Making NO statements or public utterance whatsoever against the church. That way more Scientologists cowed in fear under the suppression will have less reason to auto-filter (not-is) her message or reason for concern. Speaking out is the fastest means of becoming a target for character assassination by Miscavige and Co.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I hope she has been doing that (back channeling) for quite some time already.

      • MTP

        No doubt she has, as would LMP and many others who we will never hear or know about. Every little faction in the student-body Scientology has it’s “opinion leaders” Actors, musicians, finance and investment advisors. Even many of the bots who are OT7’s and OT8’s who specialize in ripping off their fellow Scientologist’s have their hero’s and opinion leaders. Every person in Scientology has either; been ripped off and screwed over personally, or knows of several others who have. Once they start talking to one another, openly, without fear of Knowledge Reports (Nazi Germany anyone?) then those who have been doubting in secret can start on the road to regaining their courage and integrity.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    This thread is on Fire!

    • DodoTheLaser

      As it should be. :)

  • sugarplumfairy

    You know what really irritates me? All the great stories Tony breaks.. about lawsuits, court rulings.. Exes being harassed, dianetics and TRs exposés, the indies, narcanon, and so many others.. It’s always the stories about Hollywood actors that have my coworkers crawling all over me for info.. Can I get them to listen to me when I tell them the Supreme Court ruled against co$? No.. But Leah Remini asks where the f*ck is Shelley, and everybody here wants to know about it..

    So, since this is the kind of story that bings people out of the woodwork, hopefully also one active victims of co$, I want to copy and paste Conditioner’s comment from yesterday.. Maybe someone on the fence will see it..

    so true, so horribly true. So hard to face the fraud you’ve become, and sharing this Lie silently, amongst all the other group members. As you’re spewing this BS to Non scientologists, you know they can see right though you. They’re going ‘uh huh -yeah, right’ but are too polite to really challenge the bullshit.

    I hated this so much, having to lie to family members, looking at me like a cancer victim. So glad I’m no longer part of this shit.

    • noseinabk

      Conditioner’s comment from yesterday.. Maybe someone on the fence will see it..

      “so true, so horribly true. So hard to face the fraud you’ve become, and sharing this Lie silently, amongst all the other group members. As you’re spewing this BS to Non scientologists, you know they can see right though you. They’re going ‘uh huh -yeah, right’ but are too polite to really challenge the bullshit.

      I hated this so much, having to lie to family members, looking at me like a cancer victim. So glad I’m no longer part of this shit.”

      Can you imagine how hard it would be for some to realize that people have always viewed them as a victim?

      • sugarplumfairy

        exactly..

        • Poison Ivy

          Some people can’t handle shame. It totally shatters their self image. In fact, in certain kinds of men who commit certain types of violent crimes “out of the blue”, it’s thought that their inability to face and process shame is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

          (I was born with congenital guilt and shame and an overdeveloped conscience, so I have no problem with it!)

      • aquaclara

        Conditioner, if you’re reading today, this is an incredibly powerful realization. I missed this in yesterday’s flurry of postings.

    • q-bird

      You had mentioned this yesterday to WowWow-zie ‘fairy & I kept going down the comments until I found it. Yes yes a fair and honest comment here. My favorite sentence, the last – Yay! for folks who snap out of it & get out.

    • Xique

      I happen to agree that the ” where’s Shelly?” is so minute of a story next to all the devastating stories that Tony puts up everyday. But for some reason this little nugget, this minor mystery is something that stands out for some of us. You can’t simply hide your wife and think people aren’t going to ask the obvious question. Perhaps there needs to be some emphasis added, like ” Where the fuck is Shelly?” That’s all I’m thinking. I guess, also , if I were to vanish I would hope some would ask “hey, where’s Janet?”

      • sugarplumfairy

        You’re absolutely right..

      • sugarplumfairy

        btw, I’d ask “where the fuck is Janet?”

        • Poison Ivy

          In some of the loneliest parts of my past life, I used to say, “I just hope someone cares if I’m found dead on the highway.”

          That’s why I feel so bad about Shelley. Who is fighting for her? Those of us who don’t even know her?

  • Lurkness

    On the Brian Culkin front, with only a day to go for his kickstarter campaign to fund his movie project “The Mission”, it’s not going so well. Only 2k raised of the 55k goal.

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/352654456/the-mission-3

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Maybe Dave will cut him another check.

      • stanrogers

        ಠ_ಠ

  • Minion Gayle

    If this is true, my respect for Leah has increased immensely. I hope that more Scientologists, celebrity or otherwise, start to ask these questions and start to look at sacrifices they’re being forced to make for their “religion.”

  • Bella Legosi

    Scientology Celebrity blog is fucking awesome!

    Who ever you are……..keep on writing. Fantastic, just simply amazing! I just got to the post, “Scilon Sunday is Funday!!!Bloody!!!” Love your style as well!

    Dodo has commented about this site before on here, but I haven’t checked it out till just now! I am glad I waited so I could give it my full attention!

    • Artoo45

      If they’re really who they say they are, they have ovaries of steel. It’s a lovely new layer of entheta from the pit of hell itself.

      • Bella Legosi

        Agreed! That’s why I like it. It doesnt matter if it is for real or not IMO. What matters is that it is there and wonderfully full of entheata. The consiracy theorist in me wonders if Anonymous hasnt fullfilled part of their promise to infiltrate this cult! I do like it!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          If I’m remembering correctly, there is something about that very subject in the site….somewhere. I’ve only visited a few times, but in a post the claim is made that there IS someone as a mole on the inside.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Ah, we’ve prolly lost Bella for a couple of hours…

      • Bella Legosi

        Doing this from my phone. Unable to get on a puter.
        :(

  • http://Www.MommaliciousInSuburbia.com/ Natalie

    The fact that Leah’s family is standing by her is HUGE! Them not disconnecting from her will be as shocking as Leah leaving the cult, to those who remain in. Good on her for standing up to David Miscavige who wouldn’t lighten up if someone shoved a lamp up his ass.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I hate to waste good coffee by a sudden burst of snorting snark, but this time, it was worth it.

    • FLUNK_101

      Their refusing to disconnect takes power away from the church.

      • 1subgenius

        As does any refusal to follow orders.

      • Peter

        The “church” has no “power”, only threats and illegal and immoral ones at that. “Force” does not equal “power”, which is internal.

    • Proud to be an SP

      Yes, I would think that when a celeb or high-profile type leaves, and the family refuses to disconnect, a lot of pressure will be applied on the family but at the same time other publics will sit up and take notice. Didn’t Dallas Hill’s family also refuse to disconnect from him when he and Jenna blew, or am I misremembering from her book? Bunkerites are the source of all wisdom so I know someone will remember!

      • http://Www.MommaliciousInSuburbia.com/ Natalie

        From what I recall from Jenna’s book, his parents did not disconnect and they all remain a family.

        • Proud to be an SP

          Thanks Natalie. It seems huge that the cult cannot even enforce disconnection anymore.

        • Poison Ivy

          Are his parents still in?

          • http://Www.MommaliciousInSuburbia.com/ Natalie

            His parents could not remain in the cult and be connected to their son.

    • Peter

      Now that last, Natalie, gave me my first big “snort” of the day. Loved it!

  • noseinabk

    OT. http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/08/5551786/tampa-bay-initiative-tackle-teen.html

    Why do papers post these advertisements from the cult? Do legit news papers ever just repost from PRweb?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      As much as our friends on the Far Right dither about the power of the Mainstream Media, the reality is that unless you are the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal or USA Today, you are essentially standing on the street corner with a cardboard sign that says “Will print news for food.”

    • Minion Gayle

      Lovely. Wonder if I can convince my mother to cancel her subscription to this rag now. Our recycle can is too full anyway.

  • JonathanRoberts

    Here is a link of the twit discussion btw haggis n Leah

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks, Jonathan.

      [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/2cnfdc8.png[/IMG]

      “@LeahRemini Thank you for remaining a friend for as long as you could.You were the last.It meant a lot & I love u for trying. Be well. Paul” 5:05 PM – 4 Jan 13 (GMT-08:00)

      “Leah Remini ‏@LeahRemini 4 Jan
      @Paul_Haggis what do u mean could? Lol? Aren’t we still friends?”

      https://twitter.com/Paul_Haggis/status/287364083362181120

  • JonathanRoberts

    I am glad to hear this call it childish but I will not watch any show with a scientologist on it. I did like “King of Queens” however then Leah was one. The masterson punks etc I just will not watch their shows plus the young one is such a tool. Funny how close she resides to them yet won’t have anything to do with them.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I gladly eat my words that predicted she’d fade away. DM may have finally met his match! Ms. Remini seems to play by the same rules I do…and if so, she will be ol’ pie-face’s biggest pain yet :) You go girl!!!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    When you get to the point you refuse to ignore your own observations, refuse to imagine that what you are seeing is actually OK, you are on the road out.

    I’m glad that Leah has reached that point. I’m sad that the {church} subjected her to thought reform.

    And I am very happy she is standing up for herself. You GO Leah!

    All around her, people who know the story are taking note of how she was treated simply for writing a knowledge report about what she had seen. That makes an impression and starts them on their own journey out. And one day they too cannot ignore what they have observed.

  • Synthia Fagen

    Like I said before:

    I love this woman!

    Hollywood and elsewhere, Please rocket this woman’s career. Good for you Leah!

    THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Not sure you saw my comment (below) where I ate my reply to you a few days ago. Since Tony’s post this morning, I took the time to watch an interview with her on youtube, absorbed Derek’s comments about how kind she was to him, and read Rinder’s blog. Yep, my respect for her has grown immensely and I agree–I hope she rockets!

      • Synthia Fagen

        Thank you for taking the time to make this comment. :) Wow, props to you for taking the time to research.

  • Synthia Fagen

    She now needs to speak out loudly, in the media. Not to be a doomsayer Leah but I seriously would not put it past Miscavige to seek to harm you in some way.

    The best action is to join the likes of Paul Haggis. Scream out from the rooftops — it can only aid your career and I admire the fact that you haven’t used your dissent for your career advantage until now. I would fully approve and sanction that at this point (and would have then too).

    • FLUNK_101

      Excellent. Going public is her best protection.

  • ze moo
    • BuryTheNuts2

      Here is the relevant snorter…..

      “Also, to those who say that The Lone Ranger is like eating a bucket of stale popcorn off the floor of a cinema which hasn’t been vacuumed for a month, it’s worth noting that it is generally regarded as only the second worst movie of the year.

      Will Smith’s bomb After Earth wins that hands down. It scored just 11 per cent on movie rating site Rotten Tomatoes compared to The Lone Ranger’s marginally less woeful 23 per cent.

      And to think, Smith knocked back the role as Django in Tarantino’s Django Unchained for the After Earth gig.

      That’s almost as bad a decision as putting a pirate on a horse.”

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Ouch.

      • Lilaeth

        Most of the comments are from people saying they enjoyed the movie. I think I’ll go and see it anyway!

    • sugarplumfairy

      I liked it.. Johnny Depp was great, as usual.. but to put my opinion into perspective, you should probably know that I would watch Johnny Depp file his nails for two hours..

      • Minion Gayle

        Who wouldn’t?

      • noseinabk

        My daughter and her husband loved it. But then, we like his oddball charactors. I liked him in Chocolate. ( the movie) ;-)

        • 1subgenius

          That, Fear and Loathing, Ed Wood.
          Love how he selects really out there parts, and does them justice.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I liked “Benny and Joon”.

            Yep, it was me! I was the one.

            • stanrogers

              Or one of the two. Loved Sam, and always answer, “it’s not my tree”. (Oh, and you really do need to avoid the steam setting for grilled cheese. Really.)

      • Robert Eckert

        I’ve loved Depp since Gilbert Grape.

      • Spackle Motion

        I know from personal knowledge that Depp likes women’s feet and pedicured toes. Maybe you can have him file your nails for a few hours.

        • sugarplumfairy

          It depends.. How much does he charge?

        • MissCandle

          Then I’m his woman! Johnny, call me!

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Personal knowledge? Do tell!

          • Spackle Motion

            Yes. I have a friend who used to know him in a strangely intimate way. It is really difficult for me to watch his movies because I can’t get that mental imagery out of my head.

    • 1subgenius

      The year is only half over.
      “Jobs”
      Just sayin’

    • Captain Howdy

      I’m watching ‘World War Z” right now, and it’s nothing to write home about.

      • Bella Legosi

        {Captain we know you wouldnt be watching a pirated copy of World War Z! So, please shut off your cell phone while the movie is playing!}

      • Bella Legosi

        {Captain we know you wouldnt be watching a pirated copy of World War Z! So, please shut off your cell phone while the movie is playing!}

  • Jgg2012

    She talked back to Davey? HOW. DARE. SHE!

    • 0tessa

      Miscavige probably needs a SHE DEVIL to ‘handle’ him.

  • dbloch7986

    I hope this is true because, like I said before, Leah was always very nice to me when I was in the Sea Org. Probably the only public Scientologist and definitely the only celebrity one that ever treated me like a human being. Most other public Scientologists acted like Sea Org members were their servants.

    Leah, I don’t know if you read this, but I’d love to hear what you have to say. I remember my encounter with you vividly, because during the three years of hell I suffered in that place, you were the only one that ever treated me with respect and kindness.

    • Missionary Kid

      Derek, your testimonial is something that gives me hope that her recovery will be quick from the mental illness called $cientology.

    • Poison Ivy

      Leah, if you’re nice to Our Derek, you’re okay by me.

    • Synthia Fagen

      This speaks volumes.

  • Sherbet

    Bury — your latest AV — Are you preparing to make a funeral wreath for the soon-to-be-departed cos? Roses are always tasteful. But may I suggest skunk cabbage intertwined with poison sumac and crown of thorns, maybe dotted with Venus flytraps? RIP (Rest In Pieces), dear cos.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      LOL…don’t worry. This one won’t last long. It is too poofy for me!

      • Sherbet

        Pink = Kirstie Alley.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          AH HA. That must be why it is buggin me!

          • Sherbet

            It reminds me of a detail from a Thomas Kincade painting (she says, driving right off the rails).

            Monday, GettingNothingDoneDay

  • California

    The fact that Leah Remini’s family, apparently still in SCN, refuse to disconnect from her is wonderful.

    I hope other families follow their lead. I wish her the very best.

  • 1subgenius

    I would have preferred to see the Garcia hearing proceed on July 24, and not just for voyeuristic reasons. The deposition scheduling alone will be a nightmare. And the deposition itself will be a nightmare of the usual CoS BS.

    There is something to be said for just letting it rip. The date was set by the judge, so it would be a go, ready or not CoS.

    Unless the deposition is “de bene esse” (to be used in lieu of appearance at trial), it will just be a dress rehearsal for the witness and defense. Much can be tidied up before trial. And if and when the testimony is taken in court the judge can slap down CoS shenanigans.

    If it is for discovery, that can be overrated. Much is known about his expected testimony already. The unknown parts won’t matter that much. Nor actually, will the undisputed facts. It will be how the judge construes those facts.

    Being ready to proceed on a scheduled date can send a powerful message to the other side.

    Being an asshole I have an opinion, and this is it.

  • Sunny Sands

    Leah has been working hard for decades. She knows what the real world is like and has probably seen it all in Hollywood. She didn’t get to where she is today only to cowtow to a twerp who treats his wife badly and expects people to just ignore it. Good for her.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Rinder comments about Tony’s Leah story: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/leah-remini-has-left-the-building/

    • Robert Eckert

      Awesome quote: “The Cruise/Holmes wedding was apparently more akin to the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones than the Disney fairytale it was supposed to be.”

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Didn’t realize that Leah was once a Sea Org messenger (from some of the comments)!

  • JonathanRoberts

    Tried to post the exchange between Leah and Haggis maybe Tony will do a Screen-Grab.
    Disqus of course didn’t like it who wrote this garbage software.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Where’s Shelley? I hope this isn’t the answer…

    (And we will see who gets this!)

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Oh, such healthy flowers in that bed!

      U.R.Ice.Cold.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Hey, it almost worked for Thorwald…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The Rear Window … and the dog is digging up some mighty fresh bones.

    • Sherbet

      Raymond Burr, nooooo!

    • Bella Legosi

      Good one!
      The remake sucked A S S! Thou shalt not fuck with my Cary Grant!

  • FancyKat

    That was how I got my walking papers. Exactly the same way. I had no money so I did not last long at all.

  • Robert Eckert

    I just noticed there’s a new post up (Denise Miscavige guilty plea).

  • Jeb Burton

    What I found amazing is that she was ordered to Flag for thought modification. Why would a high profile person who is a star, obey an order to report for THOUGHT MODIFICATION? isnt that like being forced to report to lthe Vatican if you had impure thoughts about the Pope? I have no sympathy for any of these scientologists. They are nuts. I would just give a big fuck you if the church ordered me to report for anything. Leah is no hero. She has finally seen the light it seems, but she has done a lot of damage in the meantime.

    • Anonymookme

      What Jeb said.
      What kind of grown ass adult obeys and blindly follows an “order” from some phony ass religion to show up and submit to “thought modification”.
      Come on!
      I’m sticking to my “point and laugh” strategy.

  • wll777

    Like a lot of guys, I’ve always thought of Leah as a hottie and I’ve had a crush on her for a long time—ever since “Saved By The Bell”. But now along with that crush is a sense of admiration for her outspokenness and for her family’s loyalty. I hope she stands her ground against the COS dictatorship where people are “disappeared” like in Chile under Pinochet. She’s shown more guts than Cruise, Travolta and the rest of that Hollywood gang who either go along with the abuses of the Church or simply look the other way. She really understands what “in-ethics” is all about, what the “highest good for all dynamics” means—that brown-nosing Senior Church officials when they’re out of line isn’t going to cut it anymore if this organization wants to survive.

    • Missionary Kid

      Pinochet. Yeah, that seems to be DM’s model.

    • Kim O’Brien

      ( rant ) oh gag …enough already with the “wow..she really is such a great scientologist” ( as i notice the red line under the word because it is NOT and actual word ) …yup ….something to be really proud of . And comparing a cult of celebrity fruitcakes to Pinochet is just ridiculous . I mean seriously …it is almost like scientologists ( another red line …go figure ) LIKE to compare DM to these people …as if it pumps up his so called “power “. No one really knows who DM is outside of a very few people who are left in the so called church and people like me who probably should start knitting or something . DM is joke and scientology is a punchline . “in-ethics” …jesus …( rant over )

      • sugarplumfairy

        Deep breath.. Count to 10..

        I hope wll777 sticks around and reads and learns more about scientology.. Let’s not scare him away right off the bat..

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Whoa there Kim! I’m not sure what your rant is about, but he didn’t deserve that. And, in fact, DM DOES disappear people. Where’s Shelly? Hope he comes back to post. I always feel good when I see someone new posting at the Bunker–it means the word is getting out and folks are speaking up.

        • Synthia Fagen

          Thank you.

        • Kim O’Brien

          comparing this joke of a cult/religion to a dictator who had actual death squads …really ? I see these comparisons all the time ..Hitler is usually the top pick …then maybe Stalin . It gets old …and just makes the entire “ology” look even more retarded . And for some reason …i just don’t think Remini and her big huge “ass pat ” report or whatever makes her some sort of shining light on a hill . Call me woggy ….but you are going to have to allow me to be totally unimpressed ….

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            Your deflection is showing. This poster did not deserve an “oh gag” and a rant–especially a new poster here. He was not a troll.

      • Captain Howdy

        If Remini or Lisa-marie become disaffected with CofS and Miscavige and don’t publicly state so, that doesn’t do much as far as putting the cult out of business, which is all I care about.

        • Sherbet

          You’re right, Howdy. You have to be practical. If Remini is thinking the same thing the two MRs are saying (“LRH good; DM bad”), then it doesn’t help at all at this point.

          • Captain Howdy

            I’m an anti-theist, anti-magical thinking misanthrope! I didn’t get involved in this thing for humanitarian, social activist reasons. For me to sit around pretending that I care about people I don’t know or are never going to meet would be disingenuous on my part.

            I just want to see one stupefying, illogical, anti-progressive religion, sect or cult go down in my lifetime..I do have sympathy for the children, but that’s on their parents.

            • sugarplumfairy

              And yet, when any one of us is attacked, you’re the first to take on the bad guy or defend the underdog.. You’re much kinder than you profess to be..

            • Captain Howdy

              I know. but…

              “And anyone who ever played a part
              Oh wouldn’t turn around and hate it!”

            • sugarplumfairy

              I KNEW you were Lou Reed!

            • Captain Howdy

              Fuck that!…. I’m John Cale

            • sugarplumfairy

              Cool.. You have much better hair than Lou..

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually, I’ve been told I look like Cale.

              “Nothing frightens me more
              Than religion at my door”

              http://youtu.be/0pBlhOOsZFU

            • sugarplumfairy

              hubba hubba..

              Perfect song quote here..

      • N. Graham

        You’re getting the red line because you didn’t capitalize “scientology.” You can add it to your dictionary on your computer with the small s or even $ and then it won’t give you the red line.

      • dbloch7986

        No one should be proud of being a good Scientologist. Everyone who has, should be proud of leaving Scientology. I would never refer to her as a “good Scientologist” but I can honestly say that she was downright nice to me when I was in the Sea Org at AOLA. She was the only person, including my own parents, that was ever nice or respectful towards me while I was in the Sea Org.

    • aquaclara

      I admire her outspokenness, too. And she has definitely shown more smarts AND guts than TC. Let’s hope she doesn’t buckle under the pressure-but then, she has been holding up for the last several years, when this all started to heat up.

  • Valkov

    That’s a lovely photo of Shelly, in it she resembles Sean Young in the “Blade Runner” film.

    • Captain Howdy

      I thought it was Sean Young when I first saw it. Just shows what the right stylist and the right photographer can do.

    • Jon Hendry

      I thought so too.

  • aquaclara

    Rinder’s blog sends readers over here today, as he adds further details about Leah. I do love the one-two punch in the eye to the cult when both Tony and Mike post complementary stories. You just know Davey has to hear about it….

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thanks, Aqua.

      Leah Remini Has Left The Building
      (Lovely title, Mike!)

      “Reportedly at this time Tommy let fly with a classic. He told Leah: “You don’t have the fucking rank to ask about Shelly.”

      “Leah is now free to think for herself, choose her friends and no longer lives in the shadow of Big Brother.”

      http://www.mikerindersblog.org/leah-remini-has-left-the-building/

  • SP ‘Onage

    This puts a whole new spin on how I feel about, Leah Remini.

    There is something delectably sexy about her now that I know she handed DM his ass on a platter. I just hope she’s “Not Ready To Make Nice” after what she’s been through and I hope she didn’t sign her Constitutional Rights away by signing that Damn covenant.

    We need more celebrities that crusade against the wrongs committed by those in scientology power.

    Where Is Shelly Miscavige?

  • Sydjazz

    As a wog (and proud of it) i guess i am standing on the outside looking in. A child of a scientoligist. (was disconnected from years ago) but i think i can talk the talk without walking the walk. Thanks tony. If you want to be indy dianutty that’s fine. If you like screaming at ashtrays that’s your biz. But if you are still in thhe cult and you are watching people get hurt and poss killed(who knows what happened to shelley) and saying nothing. Then that is wrong. Wasn’t the whole premise to help mankind? How is it helping mankind when you see the b.s going on and you keep your mouth shut? Just hope Leah will help her fellow man and stand up to miscavology and say what she has seen and heard and then maybe others will wake up.

  • Sydjazz

    Also thought modification hmm sounds like re brainwashing

    • GroverSage

      Brainwashing is just a way of saying, people are learning thing you don’t agree with.

      Or people who believe a lie.

      What they are NOT is becoming mentally ill.

  • Bellmeister

    They ban gays? Well, one thing I like about them..gays are just so….gay.

  • Mrs Libnish

    She is my new fav Celeb Sciloon. And she’s the only one on that list. Hopefully she will publicly declare herself soon.

  • Raymond Moser

    Insane talk about insanity is still insane. Isn’t it?

  • Jess

    Only God/Jesus is the truth and the way. These people are loco!!!
    I hope God can over look their misguided ways. It’s a pity that so many people have such low self esteems, that they have to join a cult to make them feel better. GO TO CHURCH…PRAY TO GOD…REMEMBER YOU HAVE BEEN MADE IN HIS/HER IMAGE. GOD DON’T MAKE JUNK!!! I say ban the “Church” of Scientology!!!
    This is no church…maybe jail/prison should be used instead: The “Prison” of Scientology. A place where all your thoughts are made for you and there is no free will. Stay away from these people!!!!!

  • Amacha

    Live by the sword, die by the sword. If they want to make celebrities a big part of their draw, they have to be ready when It blows up in their face.
    And Remini comes from a long line of Scientologists and they support her? Even more remarkable. That the whole family is willing to get behind her is amazing.
    It will be interesting to see what the next move is.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Tony Ortega getting some Google news on this Remini story!

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Remini+Tony+Ortega+scientology&oq=Remini+Tony+Ortega+scientology&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j43i53.2178.9203.0.10981.30.3.0.27.27.0.238.508.1j1j1.3.0…0.0…1ac.1.0-YBrXK3I0U#hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Tony+Ortega%22&oq=%22Tony+Ortega%22&gs_l=serp.12…4641.10446.1.12505.3.3.0.0.0.0.99.240.3.3.0….0…1c.1.19.serp.FThHnfKPZOE&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.dmg&fp=8631b87acbe74975&biw=1024&bih=614

  • Stan Heck

    Shelly someone should file a missing persons report

  • http://www.jackejett.com/ Jack E. Jett

    In my So Cal youth, I lost two good buddies to Scientology (during the early 80’s). They were, of course, two of my wealthiest friends. The first stage was us accepting their new found religion, then the two began a recruitment process…hey come down for a personality test it is free and interesting……to which I replied, I don’t have a personality to be tested……
    Once these attempts failed. We never heard from them again. One girl moved to Clearwater (she was from a mega wealthy Texas family and the sole beneficiary) and we never heard from her again. She was an awesome girl/lady and I have tried over the years to track her down..to no avail.

  • Poe56

    You can go to Psychs for pumping you with drugs or Scientology that cleans you up. … your choice. …and members go stray once in a while ….no big deal!

  • Anthony Pepe

    I could have saved her a couple of hundred thou. All she had to do was ask and I would have told her they’re full of shit and a sick cult.

  • BosonStark

    I wonder if Leah is going to be convicted of a wholetrack type of crime now, because she “made a population (Scientologists) radioactive”?

  • avenne

    This sounds like the weirdest religion ever, who would ever sign up for this. To each his/her own I guess, they must have the best telemarketers. I don’t know Leah except for watching her on the best sitcom ever (still mourning) and The Talk (stop watching when she left) Leah seems not the type to put up with any crap. I’m guessing her BS Meter started going off and like anyone when busted, they started deflecting. Good for Leah to call them out and step away. I’m guessing that Leah will start to feel embarrassed about being dupped but don’t sweat it Leah. We’ve all been in a bad relationship with some douche, while our friends/family stood by our sides, rolling their eyes at times. Just hold your head high and put it behind you. All the best!

  • Jonida Sanço

    Ah, as usual, the illegality of corporations and organizations, and the ability they have to control people and to get away with the cruelest of things.

  • http://karenzach.com Karen Spears Zacharias

    Can people just disappear into Scientology and never be heard from again without a police investigation into their disappearance?

  • cashmoney72@aol.com

    scientology is a sick brain washing man made religion that consists of nothing but lies. I remember Leah Remini even in her days in saved by the bell, and was a big fan of hers in King of Queens. I’m glad she spoke out against this sick religion.

  • mary

    Why, oh why, is this EVIL monster not in jail yet?? And how is this criminal organization still operating, after so much physical and mental abuse of men, women and even child abuse?? Slavery and torture are rampant, and it is still continuing……really???

  • SadinWA

    The interview that Bruce Hines gave… I couldn’t get thru it.

    I’ve been researching Shelly Miscavige after the Leah Remini defection, and wish I could unknow the haunting, horrible things that I’ve read and heard.

    When will there be enough “Black PR” to bury DM? That racketeering Hitler deserves to serve out on Death Row… Or in Colorado ADX. He makes guys like Whitey Bulger look like two-bit pikers!

  • Ross

    This “CULT” is an outrage!! Remini’s friends in the church reportedly deserted her when she reached out to them for support. Hopefully some other stars who witness this vile “church”, have the guts to step forward. Especially when you read about the manipulation of children! Evidently “big” stars don’t have to worry much about moral responsibility!?!