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A Scientologist on the ballot: OC candidate keeping mum about his anti-psych work

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The city of Garden Grove, which is in Orange County, California and is home to one of the largest Vietnamese populations in the country, is changing the way it elects its city council this year. It’s moving from an at-large system — which has each city councilmember elected by everyone in the city — to a district system, which will elect six councilmembers from six separate districts.

District elections are held in about 40 percent of US cities, and political science experts will tell you that electing by district increases the chances that minority candidates can get elected, which is a good thing.

But there’s another effect of voting by district. Voters already pay little attention to municipal elections, and dividing them into even smaller zones increases the possibility that voters won’t take the time to learn who they’re voting for.

In Garden Grove, for example, running in the 3rd District this election cycle is a man named Clay Bock.

Clay is a bit of a stiff, as you’ll gather from his campaign videos, which he’s uploaded to his YouTube channel.

But if Clay’s personality is a bit wooden, he does seem like a solid choice for city council, judging by what he’s said about himself at his Facebook page. He’s a longtime resident of the district, and he has his custom jewelry business there. He’s also been involved in local civic groups. What’s there not to like?

We sent an email to Clay yesterday asking him about his Facebook campaign page. Thanks to Bunker reader Intergalactic Walrus, we learned that Clay’s campaign page contains nothing about his years of extensive work for Scientology’s rabid anti-psychiatry front, the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR).

Clay’s a longtime Scientologist. The church’s own publications indicate that Clay went Clear as long ago as 1980, and that he was working his way through the OT levels a decade ago.

Not that there’s anything wrong with a Scientologist running for office. Sonny Bono was a US Congressman, for example.

But we figure the voters of Garden Grove’s Third District might want to know before casting their vote that Clay has been so active with CCHR, Scientology’s most unhinged front group.

We haven’t heard back from Clay, but here’s a video he shot and posted just three months ago after attending a CCHR protest in Atlanta in May.

 

 
Clay doesn’t say whether he was the videographer for this 1999 video that he posted to his channel in 2011, but it seems likely, and whoever is filming sounds like Clay when he speaks. The video was shot in Washington DC, and at the 3:20 point, the view zooms in on Bruce Wiseman and Jan Eastgate. At 11:08, we see Kirstie Alley, holding her daughter, with Lisa Marie Presley at her side.

 

 
CCHR loves to disrupt these psychiatry conventions. And as Rod Keller showed us yesterday, the front group is talking about issues that are controversial with the public, and issues that concern the public even without Scientology’s involvement. But what CCHR doesn’t say publicly is that the reason they are so adamantly opposed to psychiatry is that Scientology must follow to the letter the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, who revealed that psychiatrists come from the planet Farsec, and have been booby-trapping our lives for trillions of years by implanting our minds with harmful mental image pictures.

So, you see, a guy like Clay Bock is on a pretty serious mission.

In 1997, the Orange County Register caught Clay trying to take advantage of the “Back to Basics” education reform movement then raging in California by setting up his own Back to Basics group with an anti-psychology flavor and inviting local leaders to it.

In 1998, OC Weekly pointed out that by then, Bock was already something of a notorious character in the city’s school district.

A few Garden Grove Unified officials interviewed by the Weekly said Bock has long since worn out his welcome there. He has appeared before the Board of Education numerous times over the past few years to complain about the district’s math curriculum, charging that the program attempts to “indoctrinate” and “scare the hell out of” students. His letters proclaiming that Orange County schools “cannot be trusted” have been published in the Times Orange County and The Orange County Register.

That’s some background in the local schools and politics. We’re sure the voters of the third district will do their homework before they make their choice between Clay and his opponent, mother of three and research scientist Diedre Thu-Ha Nguyen.

We’ll be watching!

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on August 29, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Narapoid

    Perhaps Clay can reveal the truth of the WWII holocaust once on the counsil, where he can do some real good. Get the government to do something about the destroyers of man hiding in plain sight.

    People need to know the evil psychs made Hitler do it. Nothing else, just those monstrous psychs.

    • kemist

      Apparently there was math involved too.

  • Rasha

    Math “indoctrinates and scares the hell out of kids….” Wow. someone hasn’t gotten over Algebra, huh?

    • And Calculus is bunk!

      • chukicita

        Calculus is an implant!

        • Rasha

          Not to mention what it does to your teeth!

        • Ben Franklin

          For L Ron, anything he did not understand was an implant.

      • And never mind Relativity because L Ron Hubbard completely outdid Einstein by concocting demonstrating the mathematical formula for Life itself

        • Ben Franklin

          No wonder L Ron failed miserably in mathematics and physics, because by the look of it, he would just casually pull out stuff out of you his you know what.

      • Peter

        Not true. Calculus is a word. Meanlingless to me, of course, but nevertheless a word. LOL

      • as is MEST arithmetic…

        I have an
        awful time with MEST arithmetic — just horrible — just terrible.
        Sixteen weeks. Okay? That’s very interesting. I have to completely
        change reality to get a MEST arithmetical thing. You see, MEST
        arithmetic doesn’t happen to be real — I mean, happen to be actual.
        It’s real. Fascinating.

        http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html

        • kemist

          Uh-uh. Mmhmh. O-kayyyy.

          Nice weather today, isn’t it ?

          *kemist backs slowly out of room, turns around and runs away screaming and pulling hair out*

          • Ella Raitch

            I feel the same. LRH gives me physical discomfort.
            “You see, MEST arithmetic doesn’t happen to be real — I mean, happen to be actual.
            It’s real. ”

            What…the actual…..????

        • It’s yuge! It’ll be great!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      The man I’m married to, who runs a company full of marine electricians and engineers, (himself included) would firmly disagree. ๐Ÿ˜€

      I feel sorry for that town if this fool gets on that council.

    • 9001

      He can’t face trigonometry without flinching. He’s stuck in a mathematical incident!

    • MrsLurksALot

      F5….in honor of math, my nemesis. Truth and irony at the same time, considering how much math I do everyday. Raises fist, shakes it at memory of telling mom I don’t need to do math, who does math everyday???

      • Juicer77

        My old foe, as well…

      • Rasha

        I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said that….. because I can’t count….. ^_^

        • MrsLurksALot

          LOL!!

        • beauty for ashes

          OMG lets get this t shirt and forget to wear it together. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Rasha

            YESH!

      • Ben Franklin

        The biggest problem with Math is that it only involves solving problems.

        • Peter

          Problems of a nature I don’t seem to have. I did well in geometry, specifically because much of it is visual. But algebra was just beyond me. And now 70 years later, I’ve still yet to have any problem that algebra could solve. LOL

          • Missionary Kid

            You’ve actually been using algebra as long as you’ve done math. 1+1=? could just as well be written 1+1=X or, solve for X, X=1+1.

            To figure out the volume of, say a room, you’ve multiplied the height X length X width. You just didn’t express it as V=H x L x W.

      • Peter

        It’s interesting in that the school systems pretty much worldwide insist on enforcing specific agenda’s, no matter what the student(s) might want or need. Pretty much everyone has a say in the educational systems…everyone except the students.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Clay Demos are one of the stupidest things clams do. You’re a FUCKING ADULT!! Get out of the damn Play-Doh and go take care of your kids, or go to work, or DO something! Every time I see one of these things I want to walk up and smash it with my fist!!

        (ETA: Yes, I’m a bit cranky today lol)

        • chukicita

          f5

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Saved. ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Ella Raitch

              Is that just before or after the earrings come off?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Definitely before. ๐Ÿ˜€

        • and it’s just one of many ways in which the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology keeps its victims suitably mind-fucked.

          The actions of the individual clams are stupid? Sure. Is it completely pointless? No.

      • OOkpik

        This is a clay demo of “communication”, a gradient that Clay Bock apparently missed.

        • chukicita

          Communication?

          I see a guy named Joe who has laid a snare which is probably unwisely attached to his head.

          He baits the snare with a ball, and will yank the legs out from under the poor guy named Li’l Bill who just picked up the ball when his head lurches forward as he throws another ball. Joe will likely get a neck injury from this.

          Big Bill will fall on the arrow trying to catch the underthrown ball that Joe couldn’t follow through on because a snare attached to his head was sprung.

          • Is that a ball or a bomb?

            • chukicita

              I’m not sure, but it might as well be because everyone apparently dies in this clay catastrophe.

            • Kestrel

              Clay demo of Hamlet?

            • Or Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

          • OOkpik

            In that case, it must be a clay demo depicting engramatic stupidity. ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Why don’t they have Lego tables?

          • OOkpik

            Fly is hoarding all the Legos.

          • Graham

            The Lego brick was patented in January 1958 so highly likely Hubbard was never aware of it. If Hubbard didn’t know about it then it didn’t exist. A Lego table would probably be heresy.

            • Rasha

              Another technology he never saw coming….. sad, really.

            • But, but, but . . . L Ron Hubbard invented Lego.

            • beauty for ashes

              NO HE DID NOT! Sorry Vistaril, this made me inordinately angry. Stolen valor and everything. X(

          • JJ

            It would be too awesome.

      • chukicita

        I see a guy named Joe who has laid a snare which is probably unwisely attached to his head.

        He baits the snare with a ball, and will yank the legs out from under the poor guy named Li’l Bill who just picked up the ball when his head lurches forward as he throws another ball. Joe will likely get a neck injury from this.

        Big Bill will fall on the arrow trying to catch the underthrown ball that Joe couldn’t follow through on because a snare attached to his head was sprung.

      • Roger Larsson

        HCOPL!

        Enemies standing in the way
        removes, but first in clay.

      • Ella Raitch

        If Joe was James, I would understand this as a clay demo of an excellent Peter Gabriel song (Billy does indeed look happy again)

    • OOkpik

      Judging by their stats and propaganda, even basic math scares the hell out of Scientologists too.

    • Observer

      Math is scary to us sucks-at-math types, but if there was any indoctrination going on, it didn’t stick any more than the math did.

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s what They want you to think!

      • beauty for ashes

        A lot of artist do well at geometry however. I remember actually enjoying that! How bout you?

        • Observer

          Nope. My brain just balks at anything beyond what you’d use every day.

    • kemist

      You can still fail at higher math even if you understand every word involved in it, as Hubbard himself proved.

      Hubbard is so great he could not possibly have failed at anything.

      Therefore math is clearly an evil discipline created by creatures from outer space.

      • chukicita

        Someone get kemist a certificate for this cognition!

        • Rasha

          I got the crayons!

          • kemist

            Yay ! Crayons !

    • Ben Franklin

      Hey, maybe he is on to something, Math does scare the hell out of even some grown men and women.

      • scottmercer

        Facts can scare some people.

  • Chee Chalker

    Is that Lisa Marie Presley at (approx) 11:30? Next to Krusty with red thing in her hair? Looks like her

    • 9001

      It is her! Well spotted ๐Ÿ™‚

  • He has appeared before the Board of Education numerous times over the past few years to complain about the districtโ€™s math curriculum, charging that the program attempts to โ€œindoctrinateโ€ and โ€œscare the hell out ofโ€ students.

    A Block off the old Hubbard…

    • chukicita

      As if CCHR isn’t an attempt to indoctrinate and scare the hell out of people.

  • TexasBroad

    Missing an “e” for proper spelling but still…an anagram for Clay Bock is COB LACKY.

  • Robert Ramsay

    Clinical Scientist or Scientologist ? That’s a hard one.

  • He sounds like a long-time crank complainer. I pity the other councilors if he’s elected.

  • shut your whole track (‘sup)

    Good eye Rusty. This is why you’re my favourite saber-toothed, space travelling seal.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Great find, Walrus – here’s a song for you ๐Ÿ™‚
    Clay Bock: putting the cray in clay since the 70’s
    He would have been better off going with the “Bock”
    part of his name – drunk on Kool-Aid sux.

    Hubbard Was The Walrus

    I am he as you are he as we are he
    And we will maul together
    See how they shun like regs on the hunt, see how they lie
    I’m crying

    Sitting in a Idle Morgue waiting for someone to come
    Corporation tie shirt, stupid bloody Thursday
    Ron, you been a naughty boy. You let your ways go wrong
    I am the regman, they are the regmen
    Hubbard is the walrus, goo goo g’ joob

    Mister Ethics Policeman sitting, shitty little policemen in a hole
    See how they lie about pie in the sky, see how they shun
    I’m crying, I’m crying
    I’m crying, I’m crying

    St. Hell S.O. mustered, ripping off a dead clam’s wife
    Chainlocker captain’s idiomatic bleakness
    Boy you been a naughty girl, you let our knockers clown
    I am the regman, they are the regmen
    Hubbard is the walrus, goo goo g’ joob

    Sitting with a dingy warden waiting for the shun
    If the shun don’t come
    You get slammed, standing for the anguished pain
    I am the regman, they are the regmen
    Hubbard is the walrus, goo goo g’ joob

    Experts extort choking smokers
    Don’t you think the joker laughs at you? (Ho ho ho! He he he! Ha ha ha!)
    See how they smile like regs on the fly, see how they’re snide
    I’m crying

    Sell ’em meaner, pilfer , clamming up, the rifling shower
    Ever present ashtrays, ding and harry Kristie
    Man you should have seen them licking every toilet floor
    I am the regman, they are the regmen
    Hubbard is the walrus, goo goo g’ joob goo goo g’ joob
    Goo goo g’ joob goo goo g’ joob
    Goo gooooooooooo jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba
    Jooba jooba
    Jooba jooba
    Jooba jooba

    • MarcabExpat

      WOW. This is brilliant even for you.

    • Jon S

      Lennon’s keyboard player, Nicky Hopkins, was a scientologist — as well as a brilliant musician. That’s him on “Crooked Inside”. Lennon was approached to join the cult but declined. Lucky escape. He was vulnerable to that kind of nonsense having done several therapy and political cults like TM, Hari Krishnas, macrobiotic diets, Janov’s primal therapy, numerology, astrology…

  • Observer

    How on Teegeeack can math “indoctrinate” kids?

    Clay looks like if you put on Rowdy Roddy Piper’s sunglasses you’d see a zombie-looking alien.

    • kemist

      When you take your cues from L. Ron “I failed all the math I took above dumb arithmetic” Hubbard, math must look very scary.

    • Graham

      Math is full of scary stuff like facts. Real honest to goodness PROVABLE facts!

      • If they don’t read on the meter, they’re not true.

    • Robert Eckert

      Math might teach the kids how to figure out whether Scientology is contracting or expanding.

  • The utter, utter hypocrisy of Scientologists wandering around asking doctors for scientific proof of mental illness is astonishing. Scientology teaches that it is a scientific fact that Xenu is largely responsible for the distress suffered by alien body thetans brought to Earth in UFOs. In order to make progress spiritually, Scientologists must believe this to be the exact truth and, in order to achieve that cognitive feat, begin to lie first to themselves and then to anyone who will listen. Only Heaven really knows what that level of internal, endogenous mendacity does to a person but, I suggest, it eliminates any likelihood of them being suitable for public office until after a significant period of decompression.

    • scottmercer

      That’s why they hide the fact that CCHR is Scientology.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      If I was a Garden Grove voter I’d definitely support his candidacy…for disembodied alien catcher ๐Ÿ˜‰ That is, when the council finally gets around to creating that key position in the interest of protecting its vulnerable citizens from this ever-present menace.

      “Clay Bock…protecting us against the onslaught of disembodied alien spirits for over 75 million years!”

  • Jon S

    Math joke: There are 10 types of people — those that understand the binary system and those who do not

    • Jon S

      Supplementary Math Joke For Those Who Understood Previous…

      “There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, those who don’t and those who didn’t realize the joke was in base three.”

    • Missionary Kid

      Rim shot.

    • Mockingbird

      That is so bad. ๐Ÿ˜‚

  • $cnmonkeyrob$

    monkey was pondering Clayโ€™s dead-eyed stare… and was astonished to think that anyone would even consider voting for him…… then this popped into his evil little head… F5/Refresh

    • Mockingbird

      I approve this message. ๐Ÿ˜‚

  • Clay Bock, particularly when compared to Scientology’s leading politician of yore, Sonny Bono, shows just how pathetic the cult is these days. Because of his personal magnetism and his talent in his singing career, Sonny Bono was widely loved and admired, even if his personal “religious” beliefs were controversial. Incidentally, as I recall, Bono was never a die-hard Scientologist, more a dabbler than anything else.

    But now, the best politician the cult can master is Clay Bock, someone whose brain is fried from drinking the Scientology Kool-Aid for decades, and expressing his blind devotion to the cult by supporting its most bizarre groups like CCHR. He’s your average garden-variety aging Scientologist, who owns a small business, which further opens him up to all the usual Scientology scams like WISE consultant leeches, etc.

    BTW, It’s a little odd that Bock’s business is named “Integrity Jewelers.” Sure, Scientologists would immediately pick that out as a business run by one of their own. But for a luxury item where image is everything, “Integrity Jewelers” is kind of like “Stability Perfume” or “Predictability Lingerie.” I can assure you that none of the Global Capitalism HQ supermodels would be caught dead wearing “Predictability” brand lingerie during a photo shoot even if it had better quality and design than La Perla. So to name your business with a cult-oriented name is definitely a marker of loser-hood. Note how well that worked for Richie Acunto and “Surivival Insurance,” which bankrupted itself after Richie gave $10 million to the cult and left Richie basically homeless. But I digress.

    Perhaps the most pathetic thing about Clay Bock is his previous efforts as a gadfly wasting time at Garden Grove School District board meetings. It’s pretty funny that his particular rant was complaining of math as some form of “indoctrination.” We in Global Capitalism HQ use math as a tool for freedom and for discovering powerful truths about the world. People who can’t think mathematically are at a significant disadvantage in our financial realm versus people who can because they can be more easily swayed by specious and irrelevant arguments, and their investments underperform over time.

    The people who always drone on at school board meetings, especially those who go on at such length that they force a community board to implement time limits for members of the public, are an annoying fixture, one that must be tolerated but which can be safely ignored. The people who constantly badger public boards are like your creepy uncle who listens to way too much Alex Jones Infowars conspiracy theory stuff and puts a real damper on holiday dinners. Or like the even creepier guy a couple doors down the street who has a really scary looking van and works as a security guard.

    But when those irritating gadflies actually start to run for office, people need to decisively shut them down. Seems to me the best way to defeat Clay Bock decisively in the election is to focus on his irrational attacks on math and science, perhaps with evidence of his anti-psychiatry craziness. I’d think that trying to weaken the schools in a community full of hard-working immigrants who view strong public schools as key to giving their kids and grandkids the American dream would be swiftly and decisively fatal as a political strategy.

    • Hmmm . . . thank you. You’ve helped change my mind. Perhaps it would serve as a great example of why not to vote for a Scientologist if Clay were actually to get into office. His term would, inevitably, be filled with LULZ for our own endless enjoyment and provide further evidence for on-going Scientology inoculation purposes. That, of course, is predicated on the assumption that Clay’s elected position is largely ineffectual when it comes to directly impacting on the lives of those “wogs” he is supposed to represent.

      • The problem with having a festering irritant like Clay Bock with fringe views on a city council is less that he could inject CCHR garbage into city policy than that he can skew the balance of the council and prevent it from getting useful work done.

        One scenario: Tony’s article says that there are 6 city council members in Garden Grove. If Clay is off doing his own bizarre thing, you could end up with the rest of the council fracturing into a permanent 3-2 alliance otherwise, enabling the council members that represent half or less of the population to consistently make all decisions. You’d lose the ability to forge compromise that’s important, especially in local government. There are other troubling scenarios.

        That’s why I think the defeat of fringe candidates, whether Scientologists or otherwise, is really important. Sure, we’d get occasional lulz as news reports of some choice bit of idiocy from Clay manages to hit the press. But that comes at a huge cost for the locals who constantly have to waste time dealing with someone trying to cut funding for math and science from the school budget.

        • chukicita

          In my community we have had our share of fringiness that had a negative impact lasting for years. Exactly what the esteemed John P. describes above, happened.

          But I’m not really worried about Clay Bock actually winning this election; just looking at the demographics of his district made me feel a lot better.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          And beyond just the immediate effect that electing this crusader against the Evil Psychs could pose to his district’s citizens, there’s also the concern that his success could prompt other $cilons to run for similar, and even higher offices at city, county and state-wide levels of government. Nipping that sort of thing in the bud and quashing any long-dormant hope of government takeover by $cn is never a bad idea.

          Although one termite munching away on your home will cause little damage, a whole nest of them can easily undermine its structural integrity over time.

      • aquaclara

        City Council positions actually do matter. Take a look a the minutes from your local gov meetings at some point. They decide on all kinds of stuff that we take for granted every day, and complain about if they weren’t done.
        In many towns, these may be unpaid positions; in some towns, there may be a small sum paid for serving. Only in major cities do you see these becoming a fully-paid job, even though the hours people put in all over are pretty substantial.
        Vote. Wisely.

    • Bleuler

      I’m sure Richie Acunto was well taken care of by Scientology after his string of bad luck, they seem to be kindly disposed to indigent members who used to fund them.

      • Why, yes, yes, they did take swell care of Richie.

        As Tony’s article at the time documented, Richie put his Patronius Gluteus Maximus trophies on eBay to try to scare up some rent money, and they were presumably bought by people under Scientology’s control just to keep them out of the hands of mockers. IIRC, the big one with its custom shipping crate went for around $2,500.

        Not a great return on investment: put up $10 million and years of your life to get $2,500 back, helping you stave off homelessness for another couple weeks.

        • Bleuler

          Well that’s WISE guy investment advice for you. And I can’t imagine anyone not a clam investing 2.5k in that trophy, no matter it’s original “worth”. A couple of hundred dollars, for shits and giggles maybe. I would find it hilarious to put it in my office and change the nameplate, an evil psych with a tasteless clam-trophy. But like you say that was most probably bought up by them to keep it out of the hands of “fringe people” or J&D’ers.

        • Oh, wait! I made a big logic error on the amount Richie received for his trophy. He got zero, because the trophy was sold by one of those “storage wars” people who buy entire storage units of abandoned property sight unseen in the hope they can salvage individual bits that are worth something. Because Richie didn’t pay his storage bill, he got $0 for the contents, including the trophies. So the buyer of the trophies (likely a cutout for the cult) didn’t actually get any cash to help Richie avoid life on the mean streets.

          I am guilty of overestimating the charity of the cult to members. Once again, their streak continues unabated at zero for any members that fall on hard times. After all, they pulled it in. I won’t make this mistake again…

    • Juicer77

      I really enjoy Dependable Shampoo. Gets my hair clean. That’s all. Just clean.

      • trefology

        On the other hand, Flaky Flix cookies cannot be trusted.

        trefology.com

    • ze moo

      Every school board has its set of gadflies. That Bock has a record in that regard is his downfall. At least, it is his downfall if the electorate knows that record.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I have to tell you, John, I love your posts not just because of the insight they show but because they are laugh-your-butt-off funny. Take away the stuff about the supermodels and I can see them being read by a dead pan actor like Patrick McGoohan or Charton Heston as a call to arms. Similarly I can imagine Chris Rock or Rodney Dangerfield using them as a monologue.

      You may be cheating in a way. Just as Richard Pryor could always get a laugh saying, “Fuck,” I think L.Ron major insight was that the whole subject of Scientology is wide open for joking and degrading. How can a person talk about math as indoctrination without being jumped on, kicked in the ribs and left bleeding in the street for the paramedics to scrape up. (Metaphorically, of course.)

      Try thinking these words with a John Cleese delivery– “But when those irritating gadflies actually start to run for office, people need to decisively shut them down. Seems to me the best way to defeat Clay Bock decisively in the election is to focus on his irrational attacks on math and science, perhaps with evidence of his anti-psychiatry craziness”. Hilarious, right? If the global capitalism stuff ever tanks, and it just might after the next election, you can always call Comedy Central.

      • You are far too kind in your praise for my writing. I would be thrilled beyond belief were anybody with any degree of name recognition at all were to read aloud a small fragment of my writing. I’d blanch in horror and curl up in the fetal position, however, if anyone were to compare my writing seriously to Shermanspeak.

        I’d suggest that Scientology is only sometimes an automatic punch line along the lines of leisure suits, bad comb-overs or musings by Kim Kardashian about astrophysics. It’s more often like an accident by the side of the road — you can’t avoid looking even if it’s grisly and ghastly and you know you shouldn’t, if for your own sanity if not for respect and sympathy for the victims.

        Incidentally, after the election, if the capitalism thing crashes and burns, I may very well be one of those making their way to the rural hamlet of Toronto located in that bucolic “Canada” region of upstate New York that’s located somewhere north of Buffalo. I’m told that the Rosetta Stone language learning series now includes an introductory series on the Canadian tongue.

        • ExCult.Jan

          I hear Travolta’s voice reading your post.

    • beauty for ashes

      I have to say depending on what style of lingerie, and how you wear it John, you definitely want wearing it to ensure some predictability. *giggles*

    • John Prince

      ..I was just gunna say that (just pulling your middle leg JP, AS USUAL, Your commentary right, and i’m talkin’ RIGHT on the Money ,Baby !)

    • Lady Squash

      So well stated. “Integrity Jewelers” is a dead give away. Makes me sick. It’s so 1.1. Like saying you’re honest and no one else is. Please. Give me a break. And the reasons you stated.

  • Kim O’Brien

    233 likes on his facebook page

  • Susan black

    The first video is a little depressing…watching a bunch of cherchies marching noisily in public is not pretty. Also…sad to see doctors earnestly trying to explain to someone who’s not listening, what they do. But there is one tiny funny bright spot near the middle….the doc who says loudly and clearly as Blockhead approaches him …”get outa my sight!”

  • There was a Sanford Block active in Scientology and CCHR. Any relation?

    Category:Sanford Block

    • jimpjorps

      Not unless Clay Bock dropped the L from his name for artistic reasons, I imagine

      • Slips coffee. Ah, when I looked at him I saw a block.

    • Susan black

      Wrong name…Blockhead’s name is Bock.

  • jimpjorps

    I found an old op-ed by Clay Bock that mentions his opposition to the math curriculum. He appears to be upset because his daughter’s math class did things like teaching the concept of averages with a classroom demonstration that culminated in the class making a papier-mache model. I guess he’d prefer it if they used clay models and the Merriam-Webster dictionary?

    • Mockingbird

      Hubbard math. Give 100% of your money and family to Scientology and what do you have left ?

      • Missionary Kid

        Debt.

        • Mark Foster

          Bankruptcy.

  • aquaclara

    Great work getting this news out there before the election. Voters do need to know this stuff. Now, how many Voters from Big Blue will “suddenly” be registered to vote in his district? I’m in favor of district voting, but yes, it does tend to cause a few eyes to glaze over in disinterest, and then of course, there’s the bloc voting problem which some, say, Scientology, might seize as an opportunity.
    Here’s the time for voters to know what’s really going on. I wish Clay’s opponent well.

  • Science Doc

    Sonny Bono, as congressman representing impoverished Imperial County California, is the only State or federal official to do anything meaningful for the Salton Sea, the greatest environmental disaster in the US you never heard about. After his skiing death in December 1997, all interest in fixing this problem has been on hold. I recommend visiting the Sonny Bono National Wildlife Reserve on the southern shores of the Salton Sea for an orientation to the problems. He was a good congressman representing a very troubled district.

    • Susan black

      Thanks for bringing up the tragedy of the Salton sea. Nice to see you back, doc. Hope you’re feeling better each day.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      There is a fine documentary about it “Plagues & Pleasures on the Salton Sea” (narrated by John Waters)

      • Science Doc

        Seen it many times.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Me too ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Missionary Kid

      I beg to differ. Sonny Bozo’s largest constituency was in the wealthy communities, IIRC, in order of decreasing wealth of Indian Wells, Palm Desert, Palm Springs, La Quinta (now much more wealthy than it was then). His main constituency in population was in Riverside County, but the Imperial county portion was much more sparsely populated, so his district could be quite large. He served his wealthy constituency well. Sonny talked like a moderate at times, but in general, he voted fairly conservative. At least, he was able to compromise on legislation and work with Democrats.

      I didn’t feel that he represented the poorer areas of his district that well, as I live in one.

      I do give him and his widow (who succeeded him in office) credit for at least trying to solve the problem of the dying Salton Sea.

      • Science Doc

        We can probably agree that he was a pro environment Republican, and they are nearly extinct now.

        • Missionary Kid

          That is definitely true that pro environmental Republicans are nearly extinct now. I don’t know how far his environmental concerns extended beyond his district, though.

          I also don’t know how active a $cientologist he was while he held office. He was, of course, a celebrity, and therefore was subject to different rules. His funeral was in a Catholic church, IIRC.

        • Kim O’Brien

          well …he did slam his head into a tree while skiing here in Colorado . I GUESS that makes him a tree hugger

          i’m going hell

          • Science Doc

            He hit a tree at Tahoe near the Nevada California line. I was one resort over when it happened. One of the Kennedy’s repeated the same week.

            • Kim O’Brien

              oops LOL ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • David Arum

    CCHR and the APA deserve each other .All the USA professional organizations can benefit by some jazz.

    • Ben Franklin

      Why just Jazz? Why not rock n roll, metal, hip-hop, rap or belly dancing?

      • David Arum

        Twerking would work well too.

  • Kim O’Brien
    • aquaclara

      …and Deirdre Thu-Ha Nguyen, too. She might as well know what she’s up against. She looks like she has a solid education, so she may be stunned to find out what her opponent actually believes.

  • Wog

    OC Scientology candidate keeping “mum” about his involvement with Scientology – well, let’s change that!

    Start!!

    VWD Tony Ortega – you started the game! Let’s finish it. Expose the truth everyday!

    Oh – by the way, Scientology KILLS, maims and destroys human beings…it does it with electric shocks….with an e-meter, lies, deception and manipulation.

    • pluvo

      Wog, I think that your Scio command โ€œStart!!โ€ and your โ€œVWDโ€ and โ€œExpose the truth every day!โ€ (Tony is already doing the exposing since over 20 years and there were others – the old guard critics – who started it) are a little bit off. And Scio doesnโ€™t give electro shocks with an e-meter. There is enough stuff to point out, it doesnโ€™t need exaggerations.

      • Susan black

        But, but…exaggeration is a good thing! Especially when one is talking about the stoopid, nasty stuff one’s enemies do…like conning folks into believing they’re getting rid of past life traumas by getting on the cans.

        • Mark Foster

          Yes, humor. Yes, satire. Yes, exaggeration. Can’t be serious about this shit ALL of the time, as it’s too fucking depressing and galling as it is…

      • 9001

        Yes indeed. The only e-meter I’ve heard of that gave electric shocks is the one Sarge Pfauth made for Hubbs to get to target 2.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Clayโ€™s a longtime Scientologist…Not that thereโ€™s anything wrong with a Scientologist running for office. Sonny Bono was a US Congressman, for example.”

      Nothing wrong with one running for elected office, but everything wrong with one winning – especially if the $cilon running for office is also running away from his long involvement with the cult and its Men In Black-like concern with the behavior of space aliens among us!

      Garden Grove voters have every right to know what a candidate’s real background and history of support and involvement with community organizations has been. I can’t help but think Clay Bock is quite aware of how his involvement with $cn will play with the voters and is purposefully omitting those aspects of his resume in the hopes that being a cult member won’t be discovered and focused on by his opponent.

      I’m thinking the exact opposite and feel strongly that everyone involved in $cn should understand that “they can run, but they can not hide,” when it comes to being an active cult member seeking elected office!

    • Mockingbird

      What the heck is a wog doing here !!?

  • chukicita

    The district that Clay is running to represent has a demographic of less than 25% white peeps.

    The majority of the voters who live there self-identify as Asian (39%), followed by Hispanic (31%).

    Not sure how this is going to translate into a successful candidacy for White Guy Who Never Blinks.

    • Ben Franklin

      Sometimes race has nothing to do with it. Sometimes, it just depends on the person’s politics, personality and his or her connection to the community. You would be surprised in some places people actually prefer to vote for a candidate from a different ethnic background. Humans can be very unpredictable beings at times.

      • chukicita

        I agree. However, in this particular community, his opponent will likely retain strong support from ethnic and immigrant blocs.

        • Ben Franklin

          I agree with you. It takes a lot for someone who is not from the same ethnic background to win votes in such an area. For it to happen, he would have to be someone who is already very influential within the community. Maybe, someone like a big employer, a leader, or someone whose family is well known, trusted, and respected within the community. Otherwise, he will get hammered like he has never seen before.

          • chukicita

            Yes. his track record in his community consists of public complaints and energy spent on issues that perhaps aren’t the leading problems of the area. That and his lack of presenting or advocating for realistic solutions, would be enough, with or without the ethnicity factor.

            • Robert Eckert

              Assuming that his track record is well publicized between now and voting day.

        • http://www.ocdaily.net/pg/garden-grove-councilman-chris-phan-not-running-no-elections-in-two-council-dstricts/

          Only two candidates have qualified In District 3:

          Clay Bock
          Thu-Ha Nguyen (Democrat backed by Lou Correa political operation).

          People named Nguyen is a whole demographic there! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • That OC Weekly story is worth the read for the OMG/WTF value:

    https://web.archive.org/web/19991003065532/http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/archives/99/23news3-meltreger.shtml

    For the next 90 harrowing minutes, a slide show and video presentation provided terrifying proof of a several-hundred-year-old plot by psychologists to undermine public education. Attendees listened slack-jawed as CCHR volunteers described the creation of such “fictitious” afflictions as Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), psychology-based classroom programs such as “Death Education” and “Indoctrination into the Gay Lifestyle,” and forcible drugging of students by school officials.

    Meanwhile, the trio of CCHR volunteers seated randomly throughout the room acted as a sort of Greek chorus, peppering the presentation with additional shocking details, as audience members-mostly gruff old-schoolers and citizen-watchdog types-grunted, gasped and vigorously shook their heads in horror. By the end of the meeting, audience members decried the schools as tyrannical vessels of evil, spawn of Hitler, and akin to homeowners associations.

    • Hmm. They still have the story online with a different link, but completely ate the paragraphs.

      http://www.ocweekly.com/news/shock-therapy-6395957

    • MarcabExpat

      Holy crap that’s a great find! I’m not familiar with this journalist, Tim Meltreger, but his Scientology writing seems pretty sharp. And I appreciated this line:

      “All of this is explained in the Applied Scholastics book How to Use a Dictionary by the probably late L. Ron Hubbard.”

      *snickersnort*

  • aquaclara

    Thanks, Walrus, for a great scoop today.

    • ze moo

      Excellent catch Intergalatic Walrus. $cieno penguins everywhere live in fear of your powers.

  • Observer

    Meanwhile, Tipnes continues his cut-rate Cardone act…

    refresh

    • ze moo

      I have an Aunt who lives in Superior Wisconsin. She has self-esteem issues.

      • Robert Eckert

        Everyone there is above average.

    • aquaclara

      Tipnes’ ego is floating so high, no one else’s opinion stands a chance.
      He is such an empty suit, isn’t he?

      • Observer

        I find the paltry seven likes hilarious

    • Perhaps he should aspire to competence first?

      • kemist

        Competence is for those of us poor losers who’ve got real jobs.

    • George Layton

      On his slides I can’t tell if you are doing parody on the guy or if he is.

      • Juicer77

        XD

      • MarcabExpat

        His Instagram is cringeworthy.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      According to Tipnes, if Clay Bock just shows up on election day, he has a 80% chance of winning…
      (refresh)

      • Observer

        He’s a deep thinker, that one

      • Mockingbird

        Can I get a billion dollar a year hedge fund manager job and just show up and get eighty percent of the pay ? After all, I did eighty percent of the work !!! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

        • madame duran

          It’s so EASY to join! Hebbo!

          • beauty for ashes

            Hebbo!

      • kemist

        I guess that’s how he rationalize the fact that he has nothing to offer other people beyond boring, inane pseudo-philosophical word salad, so they don’t “show up”.

      • JJ

        80? So what’s the rest?

    • kemist

      There is one thing all those self-absorbed idiots who post obnoxious motivational crap on facebook would understand if their self-insight wasn’t obstructed by their inflamed ego :

      No one who has any level of self-confidence needs that shit.

    • I thought this was another parody. Astonishingly clueless. He looks like a valet.

      • Observer

        The kind that would wreck your car

        • kemist

          Hey, he “showed up” at his driving classes.

          Didn’t learn anything but he showed up, so that’s fine, right ?

    • Robert Eckert

      “No-one should think more of you than you do”? In his case, I doubt that is going to be an issue.

    • madame duran

      He looks like he could be a valet parking attendant.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hahahaha…remember Vick, just the tip, never anything more…and NO CIGARS either!

    • Rasha

      LOL Budget Cardone.

      • Observer

        I’d never have believed you could get more budget than Cardone until this guy came along.

      • (((dagobarbz)))

        He’s the floor model…

    • MarcabExpat

      LOLOLOL look at him creating an “autograph” like he’s somebody, and then uploading it as a FB image. You know the only way he feels that could be improved is if it could be a gif, one that catches the little flash of flame as he lights the cigar, and meanwhile you somehow hear the James Bond riff in the background as it keeps looping.

      Let’s hope he never figures out he could just upload such a video to Instagram, Vine, etc.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am quite certain there is no on, NO ONE, who thinks more of Vick Tipnes than Vick Tipnes.

      • Observer

        100%

    • What you think…You think for you!

    • Mark Foster

      VT: Venereal Twit

    • beauty for ashes

      sorry obs I just need to vent.
      Smokin a crack pipe by my stoopid penis car.
      Buy clothes that FIT!!!!!
      AND pick a legal name and stick with it!
      It’s okay to be ethnic!
      Your MOM should ALWAYS think more of you than you do!!!

    • sashiebgood

      barf.

  • ze moo

    If the Farsec ‘psychs’ are still plying their trade trillions of years later, should not we all join them? After all, they have avoided the ‘implant stations’ and have their ‘whole track’ under control. All Hail The Psychs!!!! They have a better record than Lron!

    Recent years have seen the public awareness of the CCHR increase exponentially. Between Xenu dot net and the Bunker, those clowns can’t hide any more. And hiding was the best thing they could do. Once their ‘program’ is made public, they become the objects of derision that they deserve to be.

  • Mockingbird

    Good morning Bunkeroos.

    I think it’s amusing to choose between a Scientologist and a scientist. The odds of my knowingly voting for a Scientologist are only slightly higher than me voting for a white supremacist.

    If it was a neo Nazi or Scientologist as the ONLY candidates I could vote for I guess I might have no choice.

    But I would vote for a turnip over either of those two. Now make it a scientist or Scientologist and the Scientologist has no chance.

    I know there are organizations that monitor the media and politicians (good luck this year) but feel we need a group to monitor the political connections Scientology maintains. The voters have to be informed to make the best decisions.

    I also wish organizations that monitor charities would do extensive independent investigations into how Scientology spends the donations it receives.

    And why not one to monitor the legal history and actions Scientology takes ? I am sure it would be very interesting.

    • kemist

      Could be worse.

      There could be a scientologist who is also a white supremacist.

      Wonder how that fits in their love story with the NOI nutjobs ? Well, NOI did not seem to be bothered by Hubbard’s racist statements, so I’m pretty sure they could rationalize that away too.

      • Mockingbird

        The worst of both worlds.

      • (((dagobarbz)))

        I remember when NOI started to publicly embrace Scn, there were quite a few NOI members who had a lot to say about Hubbard’s racism. Sadly, they were a minority.

  • Mockingbird

    I wish a few Hubbard quotes on government, the removal of people quietly and without sorrow and manufacturing evidence would be presented to any Scientologist politician in an interview so he can explain them. He can be shown quotes from courses he completed so he can’t pretend he doesn’t know what the person is talking about. A check sheet for his course can be produced then a tape or book for the course can be produced by the interviewer.

    I wish someone who interviewed Tommy Davis had done a little homework and brought a PTS/SP course pack to the interview with several quotes on disconnection marked.
    The OEC volumes also have that as well as the Ethics book.

    What would Tommy Davis have said ? I am angry, real angry !

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “I wish someone who interviewed Tommy Davis had done a little homework
      and brought a PTS/SP course pack to the interview with several quotes on
      disconnection marked.”

      Yes indeed, someone with a prosecutorial flair could have set him up like the ham sandwich that he is, then chewed him down to size in a few short minutes, using the exact words from the course work that Tommy himself had completed and, no doubt, rapturously exclaimed over in his success story. Hard to deny something that you’ve M9’ed, star-rated and attested to fully understanding and being able to use.

      In fact, my bet is that Tommy decided to turn in his very expensive “uniform K” suit and head off to the hinterlands of Texas for a “not blown, but unavailable for response to DM texts” much needed rest and series of anti-entheta high colonics ๐Ÿ˜‰ Telling huge whoppers like the one he told on cam about disconnection, then getting totally busted out in public on it by Haggis, and later by Gibney, will do that to a natively good and fundmentally moral being gone disastrously astray.

      While $cn would describe his condition as being caused by hanging out with SPs and having his theta enturbulated to the max, a more easy to understand description, based on a much simpler casual mechanism, will more than suffice for most: When you tell huge friggin’ lies that someone else puts you up to, then you will feel both intensely guilty for having knowingly transgressed and disgusted with yourself for allowing someone else to coerce you into compromising your own personal integrity.

      Unless you truly are an evil sociopath, doing stuff like that builds up so much cognitive dissonance that you feel as if your head’s going to explode. Mercifully, after having reached that head-exploding stage as a result of telling huge whoppers as official spokespersons for the cult, both Tommy and Mike Rinder finally asserted their own self-determinism and got the flock out of there!

      Since then, lil davey the savage has wisely chosen not to burden a new $cn front man with that kind of strain, knowing that only someone truly sociopathic could withstand the huge internal conflict that being coerced to lie in public like that inevitably has on all of the lesser beings that surround him.

      Of course, there’s also the concern that no matter how indomitable your public rep turns out to be, they’re still going to be faced with questions that you really don’t want them to be asked. And out here in the wog world no one is going to just shut up and not ask them out of fear that they’ll be physically attacked or consigned to the cherch’s prison work detail.

      So, unless you’re actually going to change the cherch’s policy of disconnection, then saying nothing off camera is far better than lying or saying nothing about the issue on camera. I know that Hiding is way down there on the tone scale, but, I forget, what’s next on the way down that dwindling spiral?

      • Mockingbird

        Can’t hide, then total failure. Where Hubbard resides.

  • flyonthewall

    Time for a musical interlude. J3, where you at? Lou Dog says hi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxDO8PipeBw

  • sweeper

    Yes to Sublime. I grew up in Garden Grove, home of B-1 Bob Dornan and the Crystal Cathedral and all of my math trauma. I hope Ms Nguyen has all the info she needs on this guy, but I fear that Garden Grove still has many science-fearing, racist dimbulbs in residence, capable of electing a paper bag.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I think he is counting on Trump to bring out the “I’ll vote for any name the doesn’t sound foreign” white vote.

    • (((dagobarbz)))

      She may have the info, but how to use it without looking like she’s attacking his religion might be tricky.

      • Missionary Kid

        Just highlight his anti-psychiatry rants.

      • sweeper

        Probably all she’ll need to do is point out that he thinks there should be less math in GGUSD schools. That’ll go over well with high achieving, education valuing immigrant families.

        • (((dagobarbz)))

          I have a video clip of a Scientologist giving a lecture in which he claims the brain is just a ‘shock absorber.”

  • BosonStark

    Dr. Hubtard’s math ability came into play when computing a person’s past-life events from billions of years ago to the nearest second using the e-meter, and counting suitcases of cash.

    Although confused by fractions and barely able to multiply, he was one of Teegeeack’s foremost critics of calculus.

    • It’s funny how accurate he was on Whole Track, when he always had to ask the audience what day it was.

  • Peter

    One might think one would be proud of being a scngst and doing such important work. That he hides it tells more about him than anything else.

    • Mary Smith

      Everyone should make a comment on his youtube commercials.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    But numbers is fun, Clay, ( and kinda important in real sciency stuff.)

    Voting for Clay Bock? A waste is a terrible thing to mind.
    Statistically speaking, you have probably heard these before.
    Lord Hubris probably thought Al Gebra was a zoo keeper
    and that A=A=A was clever,
    but he couldn’t differentiate his delusions from reality to become fully integrated.
    He understood subtraction, mastering the art of approaching 0 in his followers’ bank accounts.
    He may have considered calculus useless but he was a calculating bastard, making fractions of every family that did not give him undivided loyalty.
    His understanding of imaginary numbers has only been surpassed by Karin Puow, who, as recently as last week, stated that there were 425,000 $cientologists in LA alone.
    Compound interest? Well, compounds certainly held his interest, and DM has brought it to another level.
    His followers wrestle constantly with multiple unknowns.
    Like a circle, their pursuit of happiness is pointless.
    Of course, their replies will be obtuse if you point out how acute their situation is becoming.

    • Juicer77

      And they always end up with a pi face.

    • Baby

      Sweet..Sweet picture.. awwwwwww

    • beauty for ashes

      I always wanted a swing like that under a willow tree.:) I bet you made that swing!

  • chukicita
  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Clay Bock’s wife Mary Ann is his campaign manager. Her Facebook page shows she was a CO$ Executive Director.
    (refresh)

    • Ah, that’s who I was thinking of, but didn’t find “Mary Ann Block” because the caffeine hadn’t pried my eyes open yet.

  • itsIBBy

    I confess I’m pretty ignorant to local elections, mostly out of annoyance. Folks running for posts in my area started putting up “Vote for me!!” signs in FEBRUARY. It gets tedious. This guy has the personality of a slotted spoon. Hopefully the folks of garden grove arent as lazy as I am. (I will be taking a closer look at the local candidates now)

  • MarieSue

    Just translated today’s blog into Vietnamese and left it as reading material in the lunch room where my co-workers that live in GG can read up.

    Also, in Orange County over the weekend, the new Jack Reacher movie trailer played in theaters. I was busy rolling my eyeballs when I heard several people shout out “XENUUUUUUUUUU” “Cuuuuuuuuuuuult” “Don’t Support the Cult” “Watch Going Clear instead”. I looked around and the taunts were coming from several different groups of people. SPs are everywhere these days.

    • (((dagobarbz)))

      Tot lam! (sorry, no diacritical marks)

    • Susan black

      Tony’s blog in Vietnamese..YES. Thank you Mariesue.

    • Juicer77

      Nicely done!

    • Science Doc

      But it’s in Vietnamese everyday. I get most of my recipes here. I don’t get all the Scientology stuff in the comments though.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Good work Marie Sue! And great report on the Jack Reacher trailer audience.

      • John Prince

        ..admit it though, those corny, staged “protest” vids are pretty f@#king hilarious..bunch of asswipes “clearly” hamming it up for the camera ,waving the same 3 printed signs ! Do they really think we wogs are that stupid?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love that grass roots, crowd-sourced entheta!

      just sign me, “OG SP…suppressing the spread of $cn and dedicated to its ultimate planet-wide eradication since 1980”

    • Rodger Dodger

      Don’t be shy, Brock. Wear those endorsements with pride. Also, praise Xenu.

      • 9001

        *whispers*…it’s Bock.

      • lkjl asdc

        agreed. These cult members need to be called out publicly. If it embarrasses them or causes them issues, they should maybe ask themselves why and ask why Catholics or Methodists or Jews don’t seem to be so secretive about their religions.

    • madame duran

      Most excellent.
      Similar reaction by movie theatre audiences in my area. Nobody friggin’ cares or gets excited over watching a Cruise film. This is why Hollywood has to depend so much on foreign ticket sales to make up for domestic losses. Hopefully, more people like you will translate critical material into other languages beyond the mainstream European ones.

    • John Prince

      ..oh we’re EVERYWHERE ,Sister..crawling outta the woodwork, spewing our poisonous engrams all over the place , poking Xenu in the eye and laughing our asses off about it..we’re EVERYWHERE and we
      ain’t going ANYWHERE !! Our Super-DOOPER Powers are Omniponent and growing Stronger by the Hour !!!! YIPPIEEEEEE

      (are you getting this osa ? Ground-Control to Major Tom..you assholes are finished, an endangered spiecies on the brink of Extinction ! You’re just gonna be read about in History Books)
      by the way a courtious tip of the hat to YOU, Mary Sue, for your vital service to your Vietnamese Neighbors!

    • aquaclara

      Outstanding. Thank you!

  • (((dagobarbz)))

    I thought ‘scaring the hell out of students’ was an inherent part of any math curriculum…worked for me!

  • ze moo

    Clams who can’t add, subtract, multiply or divide are not proper candidates for any governmental body. Especially one who can try to get Applied Scholastics into the tutor game. Bocks real Achilles heel is Applied Scholastics.

  • Found in the rabbit hole…

    What is it about Scientology and Human Occupied Sewage Systems?
    http://www.xenutv.com/print/newkirk/narconon-88.htm

    • chukicita

      Hubbard forgot to write instructions.

      • No, I think it’s under the polices for General Files and other cess pools: “Send in bodies to muck it out!”

  • madame duran

    All these questions of efficacy over ECT but none about the e-meter. Hypocrites.
    Which country or organization is represented by the all black flag in the first video? I’m thinking they forgot the skull and crossbones.
    Isn’t that rapper Doug E. Fresh with the megaphone next to Kirstie Alley (11:34 in 2nd video)?

  • Mockingbird

    OT new blog post is up at Mockingbird’s Nest.

    Hubbard took particular care to ensure his doctrine would never be
    discussed or interpreted at length. He wrote several policy letters and
    bulletins that forbid this. Scientology objects to anyone displaying
    them without permission, but someone was kind enough to already write a
    summary with the important facts presented:

    I’m quoting this from Prof Dave Touretzky’s website:

    Quote:

    HCO Bulletin 15 February 1979, Reissued 12 April 1983, is titled
    Verbal Tech: Penalties. The bulletin is item 24 in the Keeping
    Scientology Working series, and appears in the 1983 version of the
    Hubbard Professional TRs Course booklet and many other Scientology
    volumes. It is very short: just 3 paragraphs, totalling 76 words. A
    verbatim copy was formerly presented here under the “fair use”
    provision of the US Copyright Code,, but after Scientology attorney
    Helena K. Kobrin complained, I replaced it with the following summary:

    * The first paragraph simply says that anyone found to be using “verbal tech” will be brought before a court of ethics.

    * The second paragraph gives the actual definition of verbal tech. It lists the following activities:

    1. “giving out data” that doesn’t agree with official policy
    as stated in HCOBs (Hubbard Communications Office Bulletins) and HCOPLs
    (Hubbard Communications Offfice Policy Letters)

    2. obstructing the use or application of HCOBs and HCOPLs

    3. “corrupting their intent”

    4. “altering their content in any way” (fixing typos? correcting fracured grammar?)

    5. “interpreting them verbally for another [person]”,

    6. or pretending to quote from a bulletin or policy letter without showing the actual text.

    Item #5 makes it a crime to interpret Hubbard’s writings for
    another person. That’s the real meaning of “verbal tech”. The critical
    point here is that it’s been cleverly slipped in among a set of much
    more clearly objectionable acts, so that the reader is not given a
    chance to notice what’s really going on.

    * The third paragraph says that any of the above actions will be punished. That’s it.

    What’s the real motive behind this HCOB? By preventing people from
    discussing their interpretations of his policies, Hubbard has
    effectively squelched all internal debate on the way his organization is
    run. If one disagrees with a policy, public discussion and analysis are
    not an option. The only acceptable action is to “go back and find your
    misunderstood word” (a Scientology catch-phrase), repeating as often as
    necessary until the disagreement has been suppressed.

    Note that according to Hubbard’s policy, this very web page is an
    instance of “verbal tech”, since I am interpreting the bulletin, and
    quoting from it without showing the actual text. Well, I tried to show
    the text, but a Scientology lawyer complained about it. Twice! End quote

    Jon Atack used this quote from John Stuart Mill to describe how to take
    on the complex and intentionally unclear ideas in Scientology.

    โ€œThere
    must be discussion to show how experience is to be interpreted. Wrong
    opinions and practices gradually yield to fact and argument; but facts
    and arguments, to produce any effect on the mind, must be brought before
    it. Very few facts are able to tell their own story, without comments
    to bring out their meaning. The whole strength and value, then, of human
    judgment depending on the one property, that it can be set right when
    it is wrong, reliance can be placed on it only when the means of setting
    it right are kept constantly at hand. In the case of any person whose
    judgement is really deserving of confidence, how has it become so?
    Because he has kept his mind open to criticism of his opinions and
    conduct.โ€John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, published in 1859

    “If a doctrine is not unintelligible, it has to be vague; and if neither unintelligible nor vague, it has to be unverifiable.โ€

    โ€• Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements

    Understanding Scientology – The Light Of Reason

    Mockingbird’s Nest: Understanding Scientology – The Light Of Reason

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology Math Quiz for Mr. Bock
    This quiz is for 47% of the final mark

    Q. 1 If a Venusian freight train leaves Target 2,
    travelling at 470 mph, and a rotund rotten-toothed red
    haired rotter rolls outta Creston in particulate form,
    travelling at the speed of darkness, how long will it take
    before Schrodinger’s cat realizes it’s all a con?

    Q. 2 If 20,000 $cientologists think that there are
    8,000,000 of them in the world and 425,000 in Los Angeles alone,
    how many of them will it take to turn out the lights in the last Ideal Org ?

    Q. 3 If a diminutive person invests approximately 2.5 billion $
    in a real estate scam, earning approximately .5% per annum,
    how long will it be before the IRS relieves him of the burden of tax exemption?

    Q. 4 If a SeaOrg member quits after 2 decades of indentured servitude
    at max. $50/ week for 80 hour weeks how much freeloader debt does DM owe her?

    • jazzlover

      Out of semi-retirement to just mention that I am fucking rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. Sounds like Pete Townshend math to me (note that the song title is hardly appropriate):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka_pPf7OqiE

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Q.5a. If all of the voters in your GG district can be fooled some of the time, and some of the voters there can be fooled all of the time, then how many voters will you need to fool this time in order to get elected?

      5b. Between now and the election, how many of the currently fooled voters can be expected to no longer be fooled on election day, and what factors will determine whether or not they WAKE THE F*** UP concerning who you really are and what you’re actually up to before election day?

    • flyonthewall

      it’s unpossible!

    • Betty

      Love number 4

      • Baby

        Betty did you have a Happy Birthday honey? I was thinking about you…xo f5

        • beauty for ashes

          Hey, is that OUR betty, like our I-betty? Russian doll I betty? I’m pretty sure it at least says Andrea now on her avi. You might want to ya know check her. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Baby

            Yes..This is OUR Betty.. just not i-betty..

            She is a sweetie.. and yesterday was her birthday.. The early morning the night before I posted a party and cake for her.. but didn’t post it yesterday..sigh..

            • beauty for ashes

              Hi honey, replying to an old thread. Things are so much worse than I thought. They found nodules along my mom’s spine and in her lung that are cancerous, they have scheduled her for radiation of the spine nodules. right now I think they have to do something to go into the lung to test those, I wasn’t really clear about that. I’m still in shock. I hate fucking cancer. I feel like a teenager again (which is when she had cancer before)with those scared overwhelming feelings. I talked to her today and she has this melodious phone voice, and first thing she asked was I okay, cause she could immediately hear I was crying. (I can’t stop myself) She told me not to worry, and I said you know I will! she laughed and said I know. <3

              We don't have a 2nd car so I have to wait til my dad gets home to go see her. You know there always was a spare sister around to do these things with, I never went alone. I guess I will have to put on my big girl panties. ๐Ÿ˜‰
              Thanks for letting me vent

            • Baby

              Oh baby girl.. I am so sorry.. damn it.. I hate Fuckin Cancer too..

              OF course you are crying.. and when you feel pain it goes to tyour deepest pain which is where your sister’s pain dwells.

              I hate putting on my Big Girl Panties.. They don’t feel right.. Like I’m totally phony .. It’s not my true feeling. I know you are scared of losing your Mama.

              I am with you side by side honey. I wish I were with you. I know how you feel about a spare sister. That alone is enough to get us in a funk.. now this?

              Keep in touch with me honey.. When you want to vent, scream..laugh..

              My mom died shortly after Jude.. She was 83 .. I’m sure much older than your mama.. but she was ready to see my dad in Heaven..

              My poor baby girl.. love you.. Give into the pain when you need to..

            • Baby

              Do you have any updates about Mom honey.. I’ve been thinking of her and you all day.. How are you doing? Love baby

    • Libertylover

      Did you make the Lego ship in the bottle Pan, or is it shooped? Great idea, I’ve done the conventional ones , but that would be fun to try.

    • Draco

      Q. 1 If a Venusian freight train leaves Target 2,
      travelling at 470 mph, and a rotund rotten-toothed red
      haired rotter rolls outta Creston in particulate form,
      travelling at the speed of darkness, how long will it take
      before Schrodinger’s cat realizes it’s all a con?

      5 minutes – cats are smart that way.

      Q. 2 If 20,000 $cientologists think that there are
      8,000,000 of them in the world and 425,000 in Los Angeles alone,
      how many of them will it take to turn out the lights in the last Ideal Org ?

      Just one 4’13” homonovis

      Q. 3 If a diminutive person invests approximately 2.5 billion $
      in a real estate scam, earning approximately .5% per annum,
      how long will it be before the IRS relieves him of the burden of tax exemption?

      Forever

      Q. 4 If a SeaOrg member quits after 2 decades of indentured servitude
      at max. $50/ week for 80 hour weeks how much freeloader debt does DM owe her?

      Eleventy million for pain and suffering

    • Lego in a bottle – Brilliant!

    • beauty for ashes

      MMmmmmmm Chocolate Legooos!!!!!!!!:):):):):):)

  • Mockingbird

    One more OT excerpt and I will take off for a while. I just love the stuff by Margaret Singer and collected a few of her quotes that really describe Scientology well;

    Margaret Singer as a top cult expert and in her book Cults In Our Midst
    she described cults and Scientology in particular quite well:

    First a quote that struck me instantly. It reminded me of an analysis of
    Scientology written by a class XII auditor. She said Hubbard’s writings
    can seem contradictory and paradoxical. That is actually intentional.

    The more complicated and filled with contradictions the new system is and
    the more difficult it is to learn, the more effective the conversion
    process will be. ( page 67 )

    You affirm that you accept and understand the ideology by
    beginning to talk in the simple catchphrases particular to the group.
    This “communication” has no foundation since, in reality, you have
    little understanding of the system beyond the catchphrases. ( page 69)

    Loading the language. As members continue to formulate their ideas in the
    group’s jargon, this language serves the purpose of constricting
    members’ thinking and shutting down critical thinking abilities. At
    first, translating from their native tongue into “groupspeak” forces
    members to censor, edit, and slow down spontaneous bursts of criticism
    or oppositional ideas. ( page 70)

    One international group, for example, has dictionaries for members to use.
    In one of these dictionaries, criticism is defined as “justification for
    having done an overt.” Then one looks up overt and the dictionary
    states: “overt act: an overt act is not just injuring someone or
    something; an overt act is an act of omission or commission which does
    the least good for the least number of dynamics or the most harm to the
    greatest number of dynamics.” Then the definition of dynamics says:
    There could be said to be eight urges in life….” And so, one can
    search from term to term trying to learn this new language. (page 70 )

    Peer pressure is very important to this process:

    If you say it in front of others, you’ll do it.

    Once you do it, you’ll think it.

    Once you think it (in an environment you do not perceive to be coercive ),
    you’ll believe that you thought it yourself. ( page 76 )

    This is key to Scientology. Hubbard set it up so the new cult member
    practices in drills, including patter drills, then does many of the
    desired actions of a cult member. Hundreds of drills in fact practiced
    for hundreds or thousands of hours. Then the cult member feels Hubbard’s
    ideas are their own and defends them as irrefutable deeply held
    personal convictions.

    • Good one…. I found a guy who, just about, references to the same sources as you do, http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/mind-control.html

      Might be worth a visit.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks

    • Mark Foster

      THIS POINT! For every person who is utterly convinced that all cult members are gullible, stupid jerks who deserve the suffering they experience in cults, PLEASE read Singer. I am not negating the issue of personal responsibility. I am encouraging informed compassion for them and an understanding of the various kinds of pressures applied to those who participate in cults.

      • Mockingbird

        Well, she is the best. So…

      • Mockingbird

        You reminded me of something I ran into with several ex Scientologists. They would get pissed a out posts on Hubbard’s use of hypnosis in auditing or indoctrination and state they personally are certain they NEVER were hypnotized.

        I would refer to methods of hypnosis and influence. They would tell me how it takes “a weak mind” or “a weak will” for that to happen and it could NEVER have happened to them.

        But hypnosis and persuasion doesn’t work that way. You don’t have a battle of invisible auras or psychic power like Professor X versus Jean Grey. It’s not Yoda and the Emperor using the force.

        Hypnosis has the description of suggestion plus imagination with the key that unlocks it all being transference. It’s called altitude or prestige or authority, but by any name it means you let the direction from something control you with your own conscious critical and independent thinking set aside and made subordinate to the controller.

        It could be a person in your presence, a person on a tape or in a book or even yourself using self hypnosis to set aside your conscious awareness and place commands or other content beneath your conscious awareness. The suggestion is the content and the imagination is obviously your own.

        Hypnosis has many, many limits. Of course the imagination of the victim limits it, as does the content of the suggestion and the understanding of it the victim possesses. It’s really entirely in that mind, so words or ideas it doesn’t understand limit it in following the direction it is given.

        The big limit is the transference. If that isn’t present hypnosis doesn’t occur. If it is the with imagination and suggestion it can.

        Obviously people don’t give authority to people they don’t trust. That’s why people who reject Scientology without joining aren’t influenced by reading Scientology doctrine as critics. They have zero respect, trust and deference to Hubbard. He can’t control them then.

        He needs to convince people to let him in to work his magic on them.

        The people that say they were never hypnotized don’t have an explanation for why they stuck around, participated in auditing or courses. Those things aren’t cheap.

        And if they crossed certain thresholds the simplest explanation is the persuasion Hubbard created worked on them. In auditing if they described incidents in the terms and manner Hubbard required and came to believe them to be genuine than auditing worked to that degree as hypnosis.

        If the victim underwent Scientology indoctrination and came to believe that getting confused and groggy and confused was resolved by taking in the definitions Hubbard directed them towards , and took the definitions in with critical and independent thinking suspended that fits the definition of hypnosis. It involved the imagination of the victim, suggestion from Hubbard and his authority being obeyed to the point that transference occurred. He suggested that the confusion the victim felt was due to a MU, that the victim then took in the definitions of which Hubbard either created or directed them to. That’s simple. Hubbard also had them do demos to promote vivid images and age regression, both of which help hypnosis to work better and keep the groggy Scientologists moving so they don’t fall all the way asleep while on course.

        That’s a part of the explanation. The objections to this don’t add up to me if you really take apart the steps in study tech and compare them to the physical symptoms and steps in hypnosis.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Clay Bock is not only a member of the CCHR, he’s also the president of the local chapter, according to this 2015 OC Register article about Laura’s Law (which empowers OC officials to order severely mentally ill people into treatment): http://www.ocregister.com/articles/county-651302-law-treatment.html

    Also, anything posted on his campaign’s Facebook page with the word “Scientology” is getting deleted. A candidate with a pro-censorship position? Thank You LRH!
    (refresh)

    • flyonthewall
      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Let’s see… a president with nothing on his head or a president with nothing in his head? I’d have to vote for Sy every time!

    • jazzlover

      The irony is so thick, you could cut it with a knife – sorta like humidity in NY these days.

  • JaxNGold

    Clay Bock claims the district’s math curriculum attempts to “indoctrinate” and “scare the hell out of students”.

    Oh for f**k’s sake. The irony is too much with that one. He’s literally describing the CO$.

    • Science Doc

      But most numbers are irrational!

  • nottrue

    CCHR leave Laura’s Law alone….

    • Observer

      Scientology doesn’t want people with mental illnesses treated, but as we can see from the incidents of the guy with the swords at the Celebrity Center, and Lisa McPherson, it has no problem with them being killed. After all, they’re below 2.0, right?

      If you haven’t heard about the sword incident: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/24/local/me-scientology24

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Remember that young clam guy without arms that was set adrift onto the streets of Hollywood – screaming and living in his own filth? That video was one of my first exposures to how the CO$ treats the mentally ill. And he was one of their OWN. Gawd knows what a society run by CO$ politicians would have in store for anyone with a mental illness. SMH

        • madame duran

          Karen de la Carriere did a video which gave an update on his case. Did you see it? It was posted in yesterday’s blog. Quick summary: good news–handless guy was taken off the streets by L.A. County mental illness service; he eventually became sane; got prosthesis arms; he’s living with his parents who left the Sea Org (and I presume Scientology as well). Begin at 3:30 mark.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLkGbLNaaTg

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Yeah, thanks. That shows part of the video I was thinking of. Ugh! “Salvaging the planet” by sh*tting on the mentally ill. Despicable. And that’s why Clay Bock (and any other clam) running for public office and pushing LRH’s insane “anti-psych” agenda is dangerous.

  • Missionary Kid

    OT, I happened to watch an episode of Escaping Polygamy last night. the mindfuck is quite similar to $cientology, as well as their form of disconnection. The kids that leave the Order, as it calls itself, leave after being taught that they are going to hell if they leave. This is the reality of the FLDS, which is still headed up by Warren Jeffs.

    In the episode that I watched, There was one sister who still hadn’t shaken the beliefs of the FLDS, but she knew that she didn’t want to go back. She missed her family.

    • jazzlover

      That show is such a display of dysfunction on so many levels that it is an extremely difficult watch.

      As far as Jeffs still leading the FLDS – that’s as much a sign of serious gub dysfunction as Scientology still having a 501(c)(3).

      • Missionary Kid

        How is the gummint gonna stop people from following someone? If nothing else, Jeffs’ got surrogates that can claim they’re carrying out his wishes. At least, the Order got busted for welfare fraud, and the guy who headed it up jumped bail, which will put him in jail until he’s tried.

        Unfortunately, they consider Jeffs and anyone in jail as martyrs.

        • jazzlover

          The gummint can cut Jeffs off from the outside world. This isn’t rocket science.

          • Missionary Kid

            Prisoners communicate through other prisoners all the time. I think that probably he has visitors who he talks to who pass on his wishes. As long as he’s not advocating or telling his followers to do something illegal, the prison probably can’t stop communication with his followers. That’s just an opinion. IANAL.

            • jazzlover

              If criminals can break the rules, why can’t the prison system do so for criminals who have gone way beyond that which any civilized society finds acceptable. I know we’re all about “appearing” fair (wink, wink), but maybe it’s time to get real. And seriously, anything Jeffs passes on to his followers through whoever receives the message should be considered illegal simply because the whole foundation of that church is a gross violation of human rights. Just another opinion.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll leave it to you to go to court to get the legal judgement that the church is intrinsically evil, or a RICO organization. Aside from all of the Constitutional questions, things get difficult.

              My personal preference is to have all of the elders of the FLDS given mandatory vasectomies. At least, that way, they won’t be producing any more victims.

              The LDS is somewhat complicit in the whole deal as far as the state is concerned, but at least the Feds are going after the cult. Unfortunately, the people who will be victimized are all of the women and children that they have already victimized.

            • Robert Eckert

              We keep many many prisoners in solitary for far less justification.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I saw that Escaping Polygamy episode as well and have been watching the series for awhile now. There are lots of parallels between the coercive mind control methods that these groups use and those that $cn employs.

      It’s amazing that polygamy cults like The Order can continue to operate so openly in the greater Salt Lake City region. Last night’s episode focused in on a young adult half-brother of the three half-sisters who got out of The Order together and have been helping others like them to escape the cult since then. He’d only been out for less than a year and was feeling the intense loneliness of being deprived of the constant companionship of his 12 brothers and sisters, as well as his approx. 120 other half-brothers and half-sisters, all of whom have the same father, but different mothers.

      Although at the end of the episode, he’d successfully resisted the temptation of rejoining the cult, despite his father’s coercive lobbying efforts, his inner struggle with that decision was quite poignant. I’m sure that without the support and advice of his half-sisters who’d escaped the cult years before and were leading fulfilling lives of their own, he would have had a much tougher time resisting the urge to be with his polygamous family again and may have chosen to return to it had it not been for them.

      Support, advice and help in transitioning out of any cult is a very important service that everyone who’s been in and gotten out can help to provide in whatever greater or lesser ways that they may choose to. Indeed, the many internet-based support networks that already exist for $cn cherch members who are considering getting out of the cult, or who have just left it, can be a real lifeline at a crucial point in those individuals’ lives.

      Interestingly, the three half-sisters in the series have an informer within the group who’s elected to stay in order to provide them with inside information and very specific details about what’s happening within this very secretive group, including videos of uncles marrying nieces and first cousins getting married. It occurred to me that having a few Sea Orgy informers who could shoot some surreptitious video of what life’s actually like in the RPF, for example, would be wonderful as film is so compelling. Even better would be some choice sequences of lil davey the savage doing his daily full-tilt, obscenity-laced tirade thing…footage like that would be priceless!

      • Missionary Kid

        Because of the snitch culture and the general belief in the e-meter’s effectiveness, It would be much harder for any sea org to make videos. I’d rather have them escape than punished.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I think that you’re exactly right there. Under the constant threat of getting sec checked hanging over your head, and with all your co-workers ready to rat you out for head pats, it would be very tough to get any videoing done.

          You’d have to be on your way out already and just making it as a last parting shot. But you’re right, better to ask with your scalp and testicles intact ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • MadMaxi

      To tie in with your topic for those Bunkerites who follow LDS , not the FLDS, happenings this popped up in our local newspaper today. The longer article details some interesting stuff relating alledged revenge by the elders and how they told her husband they know how to “fix” women like her.

      http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/roanoke_county/roanoke-county-woman-sues-local-mormon-church/article_d102cce7-a012-5cb3-b498-7c1c77600679.html

      SNIP:A Roanoke County woman is suing local leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
      Saints for defamation because she claims church officials issued a
      letter to Roanoke County police claiming the woman caused disturbances
      on church property and made other churchgoers fear for their safety.

      Karena McGraw, a former member of the Cotton Hill branch of the church, is suing several
      church leaders whom she claims made false and defamatory statements in
      order to intentionally harm her reputation. She is seeking $850,000 in
      damages….

      Last summer, McGraw expressed
      concerns about a local church leader and what that person was teaching
      her daughter, which McGraw considered to be โ€œagainst the basic tenets of
      the faith.โ€ Court documents do not make clear if the church leader
      McGraw complained about is one of the church officials named in the
      lawsuit.

      After Karena McGraw expressed her concerns, she met with Kevin Bohonโ€™s sister-in-law, Shannon Bohon.
      After that, Kevin Bohon met with McGrawโ€™s husband, Patrick McGraw, and
      alleged Karena McGraw had โ€œinappropriateโ€ conduct in the church parking
      lot on the day she met with Shannon Bohon, according to court documents.

      In August 2015, Rucker met with
      Patrick McGraw and said he could โ€œfixโ€ Karena McGraw if she would meet
      with church leadership. Rucker also stated he had prior experience
      โ€œfixing other strong-willed, independent-minded women,โ€ according to the
      lawsuit.

      During the meeting, Rucker also
      told Patrick McGraw that Karena McGraw was โ€œgoing to kill somebody, like
      the guy at Smith Mountain Lake,โ€ the court documents say.

      The statement is presumably a
      reference to Vester Flanagan, a disgruntled former employee of WDBJ-TV
      (Channel 7), who shot and killed reporter Alison Parker and cameraman
      Adam Ward at Smith Mountain Lake last year.

      Rucker later made similar statements to Patrick McGrawโ€™s parents, court documents state.

      The church leader also said
      Karena McGraw brandished a firearm in the church parking lot and then
      brought the gun into the building, claims the plaintiff refutes in her
      lawsuit.

      Virginia law makes it a misdemeanor
      to bring a gun or other weapon into a place of worship while a meeting
      for religious purposes is taking place, though some exceptions apply.

      In October 2015, a law firm in
      Salt Lake City, Utah, sent McGraw a letter informing her that because
      she violated church policies, created disturbances on church property
      and caused other church members to fear for their safety, she was no
      longer welcome on church property and would henceforth be treated as a
      trespasser, according to court documents.

      Church officials lied about the
      allegations in the letter to โ€œput [Karena] McGraw in her place and
      punish her,โ€ according to the lawsuit.

      The three church leaders named in
      the lawsuit then delivered a copy of the same letter to the Roanoke
      County Police Department, which McGraw claims was done to harm her
      reputation.
      The county also doesnโ€™t have any other information pertaining to McGraw and the church, she said.

      McGraw claims that she has
      suffered emotional distress and humiliation because of the false
      allegations and church officialsโ€™ decision to turn over the letter to
      local law enforcement.

      โ€œAs leadership of the Church,
      they were intent on making an example of [Karena] McGraw to dissuade
      others, not in leadership positions โ€” especially women โ€” from the same
      level of independent thinking and speaking that [Karena] McGraw
      exhibited,โ€ according to court documents.

      McGraw is seeking $500,000 in compensatory damages and $350,000 in punitive damages.

      END SNIP

      The civil lawsuit, filed Aug. 1
      in Roanoke County Circuit Court, alleges Kevin Bohon, president of the
      Roanoke stake of the church, Noah McDaniel, second counselor of the
      Roanoke stake, and Paul Rucker, bishop of the Cotton Hill ward, defamed
      McGraw after she expressed concerns about a local church leader.

      • Missionary Kid

        Yup. The individual stakes have individuals who take advantage of the LDS’s basically misogynistic bent.

        The FLDS, on the other hand, has taken the overwhelmingly earlier, more strident misogyny and more racist bent that the LDS originally held and magnified it.

        The LDS still has a lot of the baggage, as well as original paranoid attitudes that permeated the LDS with its battles with the U.S. Governement, as well as other Christian sects, and, I believe it feels a certain kinship with the FLDS, so they have rarely prosecuted any polygamists in Utah.

        The LDS provides a cocoon to wrap around all of the members of their church. They don’t quite engage in flirty fishing, but they do recruit basically by sex, and sucking people into the Mormon family system. The FLDS is all about sex, kicking out additional males that might challenge the ratio of women to men. It will only increase by a lot of breeding.

        The LDS, on the other hand, is bent on “clearing” the rest of the world by converting everyone else to Mormonism, as well as preparing for the ultimate world crash or disasters that they feel sill occur in the intervening time.

        To keep everyone in line, the LDS uses the velvet covered iron fist, especially on women who don’t submit to their patriarchy.

        I believe that the LDS, always sensitive to PR, will use their version of fair game on this woman. It won’t be as bad as what $cientology, but it will be used.

  • Jimmy3

    He spews bullshit in Garden Grove
    Smells like Ron’s breath and foul clam
    Ohhh yea

    • flyonthewall

      if you only knew all the woo that I’ve found
      It’s hard to keep your thetan on the ground

      • Jimmy3

        This ain’t no funky psychlo party
        Leave your pharma at the door

        • Snippy_X

          at

  • nottrue

    Don’t do It……..Turn around…..

    • flyonthewall

      oooh don’t go there girlfriend! Seriously, like literally. Stay the fuck away for real, those guys are crazy

    • Should be RED XING.

      • OOkpik

        FED XING !

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    O/T, but I just realized who the mystery man on the bike may have been the other day.

    It was at SMP. After I saw a security guard dressed all in black ride through the front gate, a few minutes later someone also dressed all in black, and riding a bike passed me on the sidewalk and sped away. I wasn’t sure if the two incidents were related, but now that I think of it, the second guy was headed in the direction of AOLA on FOUNTAIN. So doubtless I happened upon the shift change for security at SMP. And that explains why the guy had handcuffs in this black backpack. Creepy.

    (refresh)

  • I think Clay’s a bit more than “a bit stiff”; I think he hatched out of a pod. (Renew suspicions of something very odd going on in quiet, apparently innocuous Garden Grove):

  • Vaquera

    Mace-Kingsley f5

    Mace-Kingsley is expanding. We have several projects, where we need an extra hand. Does anyone want to earn a Purif at Mace-Kingsley? I need help and if there are some children who don’t mind doing a little work then we can get these projects done and get a Purif paid for in-exchange for the work being done. Please contact Michelle (Dissem Sec at Mace-Kingsley) – 727-442-3922

    Is it implying that the kids work in exchange for their own purif or so their parents can score one?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      All the niacin that your liver can take and more! Oh, and we can throw the little ruggers into the hot box too!? Dammmmn, sign me up for summa dat ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Vaquera

      We are opening our doors for children to come in and get auditing and do the Purif. We also offer services to audits and parents. Does anyone have or know of any children we could get in and arrived at Mace-Kingsley this week. We are working on filling up to maximum capacity, with all auditing rooms full all day long. Since we have 14 auditing rooms and over 30 auditors, we are able to audit a lot. If you have a child yourself and want auditing for them, call us, we are here and ready to service! Call today: 727-442-3922. (Dissem Sec @ Mace-Kingsley – Michelle)

      • Kestrel

        This makes my blood boil.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          You took the words right out of my mouth, Kestrel. Disgusting – that’s what it is.

      • Draco

        F5 …

  • PTS

    Sometimes I would like to upvote a comment more than once, but I just don’t have the OT powers to do this on Disqus.
    This made me think that Tony Ortega is secretly doing the upper OT levels.
    F5

    • Tony Ortega

      I have an account for my phone and one for my laptop. I loved the idea of someone translating this story into Vietnamese so much I upvoted it from both of them. Ha.

      • PTS

        You mean there are no upper OT level powers?

    • MarcabExpat

      I TOLD YOU GUYS, when I saw him, he was texting with two fingers and writing his next book with his other thumb! He doesn’t NEED OT powers.

  • nottrue
    • MarcabExpat

      I legit cackled out loud.

      Would any of us have half the sense of humor left that Gerry still does after going through a fraction of what he has?

      Him and Phil. I don’t know how they do it. Hats off to you gents.

      • aquaclara

        I just snorted out loud reading Nottrue’s comment, too. Woofy Clara thought something was up. Now he wants dinner (late because I am here, of course). Woofy OT powers at work.

        • MarcabExpat

          Woofies are natural Clears.

          Cats are pan-dimensional spiritual beings, though. Gotta keep yer eye on ’em.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Here is a live stream to Burning Man ….because life is awesome

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8_CLY3fAo

    • flyonthewall

      we must descend on them a la Road Warrior. Humungus will destroy them!

    • Vaquera

      Jamie is performing there this Friday night.
      Hey, if there are any San Fran/Oakland bunker peeps driving there on Friday morning, he’s looking for a ride.

      • flyonthewall

        he should be careful of marauders

        • Vaquera

          He’s their line leader.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i am smiling my ass off right now

        • Vaquera

          :)))

    • Great … I could watch this all night

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We at the Bock for City Council campaign headquarters want voters to know that Clay Bock is very concerned about the people of Garden Grove.

    Says candidate Bock, “As the secret and copyrighted teachings of Scientology make clear, there were 76 planets with an average population of 178 billion people per planet. Xenu killed all of these 13.258 trillion people and they became BT’s.”

    “You could fill 142,248,648 Rose Bowls of 92,500 seats if you gave each BT his or her own seat. Worse, there are no blood tests for BT’s,” declared Bock at his campaign rally Saturday in the parking lot of the Golden Corral Buffet on Trask Boulevard.

    Candidate Bock emphasized, “The answer to this vast wholetrack catastrophe is not to use Psych Drugs on the good people of Garden Grove. The answer is treatment for each person with $360,000 worth of Scientology. The answer is to have our own Ideal Org in Garden Grove.”

    Bock also promised put an end to the districtโ€™s current math curriculum. “The math curriculum indoctrinates and scares the hell out of students,” said Bock. “What is needed is LRH Study Tech and lots of it.”

    • Mockingbird

      Remember to have every BT vote early and often. You should get the most votes in the entire ga LUX y.

  • flyonthewall
    • Draco

      ๐Ÿ™ another one…

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I hate this year. Another legend gone. ๐Ÿ™

  • Kim O’Brien

    Gene Wilder died ๐Ÿ™

    the fabric of my childhood memory blanket , is coming apart

    • TexasBroad

      How is it even possible that he was 83??!!

      • Kim O’Brien

        i saw that and thought the same thing . 83 ?!

    • Wikipedia is already updated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Wilder

    • Missionary Kid

      According to Wikipedia, he died of complications from Alzheimer’s.

      • redfisch

        That really sucks.

    • sundaygirl

      Totally heartbreaking. His movies played such a huge part in my life, starting with my mom going into labor with me at the theater whilst watching Young Frankenstein. So sad.

      • Kim O’Brien

        that is a great story ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Kestrel

          A great story, but one that makes me feel old. I flowed admiration particles at Teri Garr after watching that movie. Got me nowhere.

          • Baby

            Flowed admiration particles? I hope not like Pee Wee Herman did in a movie he watched.

            • Kestrel

              Good gracious, no! “In the opinion of the viewpoint, any beingness, any thing, is better than no thing, any effect is better than no effect, any universe better than no universe, any particle better than no particle, but the particle of admiration is best of all.” – Humbly tendered as a gift to man by L. Ron Hubbard, 23 April 1953

            • Baby

              I can just see you say.. ” Good Gracious , no!” hahahahhahaha.. xo

    • Sunny

      This is a sad day.
      Though growing up in the Sea Org we could not watch TV, my mother did have a copy of Young Frankenstein on vinyl. My brother and I would listen to it over and over and over. What a great performance.

      • Kim O’Brien

        jesus …now i feel worse . HUGS so much to you

        • Sunny
          • beauty for ashes

            You can’t imagine working in a makeup store how many times we found to sing this duet, also to say “it puts the lotion in the basket.” We were a weird dark bunch.:)

    • gtsix

      The only bright spot* is… imagine the reunion of Gene and Gilda… there be much laughing in heaven tonight

      *for those who believe in such

      • Kim O’Brien

        i don’t believe it ..but it is fun to imagine ๐Ÿ™‚ ….( maybe they are not so far apart )

      • Missionary Kid

        Condolences to his 4th wife. (Gilda was his third). We all miss him.

      • Rasha

        Even if one doesn’t – if your last moment is filled with that one thought, that one person…. That is a life well lived – a perfect ending. ^_^

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Another “Back to School” worry for parents… the CO$ recruiting on campus.
    (refresh)

    • Snippy_X

      What campus is this?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        IDK, but it could be Covington, Kentucky. Or Tennesee

    • MarcabExpat

      They always had a display and stress-test table on the quad at my grad school (USF) during orientation week. A bunch of us would always call them out, or stand nearby and warn passersby. Finally, years later, somebody raised enough of a stink that they were banned from that and the “campus market,”, but they were always trying to sneak back and would sulkily pack up and stalk off when caught, only to hide out and wait for another chance.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        “but they were always trying to sneak back and would sulkily pack up and
        stalk off when caught, only to hide out and wait for another chance.” Sounds like they were employing ‘cockroach tech’.

        • Missionary Kid

          $cientology is cockroach tech.

          • Rasha

            Roach Motel Techยฎ

        • MarcabExpat

          And they were about as welcome a sight.

        • Next mass shooting, they’ll be back in a flash with a VM mini-org.

    • itsIBBy

      They’ve been doing it for ages actually. Back in 2002 when I was a junior in college, one of my friends was sucked into the stress test when we were on our way to lunch. I wasnt aware of what Scientology was at that point, but the server at the cafe was like you need to go get your friend, thats scientology.

    • madame duran

      By in my uni days in Canada (eons ago), every school distributed a cult info pack as part of orientation (during “frosh week”–the week prior to the first day of class in September). This was STANDARD (at least for Ontario; can’t speak of the other provinces). Different cult groups would hang around campuses to lure in their next victim (white supremacists, International Church of Christ and Moonies were the most prominent at the time). The university and student association heads were well aware of the dangers and took a proactive stance. I have no idea what is done for today’s generation of college kids. Maybe it’s assumed that they’re inoculated by the Internet? Perhaps lack of funding meant the school had to scale back that initiative? I don’t know. Anyway, students were at least aware of what to look out for.

      • There used to be an organization Cults on Campus (or similar), but I think it derezzed several years ago.

    • JJ

      Totally cool graphic! I could just see my ancestors coming in.

    • Snippy_X

      Wow that’s great. So many Canadians around WWI. What was that about?

      • Have no clue. If you try and stop the “vid” you can get more details by moving the slider manually. See the migration numbers was extremely high in the 70s and then falling down
        ETA: The 90s

      • Draft dodgers?

      • Kestrel

        Britain imposed an 80% tax on maple syrup despite inadequate Canadian representation. The US was flooded with Canadians enticed by cheap maple syrup and a large ball of flaming gas known as the “sun.”

    • Rasha

      Geeze, they must be stacked 7 deep in Kansas!

  • Observer

    Fly, are you holding out on us?

    Refresh

    • flyonthewall

      that is the most awesome thing ever

  • flyonthewall

    OT rant – At our local park yesterday w/the kids and we noticed that underneath a big bush a homeless person had set up camp complete with mattress and empty alcohol bottles. Told the maintenance crew and they promptly removed the mattress. Went back today to see if they did anything else like cut the bush down or at least cut the low branches so that there isn’t cover and guess what? The only change was that there was a new mattress under there! Smh. Now I am all for homeless rights and compassion but you can’t be making your camp in a public park and drinking there. Plus there’s a playground and pavilion right nearby, it’s a high traffic area.

    And if that wasn’t enough some teenagers at the pavilion asked to borrow my lighter. They were fixing up a blunt, had their baggie on the table and everything. They didn’t even offer me a hit! Wtf is going on here?? People these days

    • Missionary Kid

      Next time, take a bottle of ammonia. Soak items left under the bushes thoroughly. Nobody can sleep with ammonia around, and even if they’re falling down drunk, they won’t be able to tolerate the smell. They’ll have to haul it away just to sleep there.

      You can also contact the park authorities. When orders come from the top down, it’s more effective.

      • flyonthewall

        Ammonia!? I don’t want to poison the guy! Damn MK, you cold blooded.

        • Missionary Kid

          It won’t poison them, because the reaction to ammonia is so strong that they will immediately avoid it. Yes, ammonia is poisonous, but they can very easily get away from it. It’s for good reason that ammonia is used to revive people. They immediately jump back from it.

          • as a kid i stuck my nose to a bottle of this and inhaled. Before that… there was nothing!

            • Missionary Kid

              I was 4 when I stuck my finger in a light socket. I can still remember the buzz that passed through my body. For some reason, I never got overly afraid of being shocked. It did make me careful.

        • it’s good for the plants?

          • flyonthewall

            i didn’t go to plant college but I don’t think that’s right

          • OOkpik

            It is.
            Maybe he is a plant and won’t mind at all.

        • beauty for ashes

          Or, you could set it us so as soon as he lays down the whole thing catches on fire, nobody stays in fire either. **omg I hate myself for making this joke**

    • Beth

      It’s madness. From the wtf parks department: there’s a wooded town park down the street and last night at about midnight someone drove a car into the woods and set it on fire.

    • 9001

      I’m shocked! They didn’t offer you a hit…what happened to good manners!!

      • flyonthewall

        ikr

        • Kim O’Brien

          you passed up a real teachable moment there Fly . I’m a little disappointed in you . Now someone will smack them the next time they do that . These teachable moments are how we combat child abuse . Think about that next time ok ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Rasha

      Butane ain’t cheap.

  • beauty for ashes

    Clay Bock looked down at his clay block in despair. He was to clay demo the ARC triangle…….

  • iampissed

    RIP

    • noseinabk

      ๐Ÿ™

    • Mockingbird

      Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !

    • beauty for ashes

      My only solace is thinking that he and Gilda are cuddling and laughing, as we speak.

      • beauty for ashes

        Gene and Gilda on their wedding day in the south of France .<3 <3 <3

        • Rasha

          Real Smiles. <3

          • beauty for ashes

            This (above) was in Gilda’s autobiography, and my heart was happy to have found it today.f5
            gonna go do a little of this, and maybe some emotional eating. <3 edited

            • Kim O’Brien

              Refresh

            • beauty for ashes

              ICH LEIBE DICH! <3

            • just another guy out there

              This makes me happy!

            • Missionary Kid

              *Laughing*

            • daisy

              I enjoyed her book.

      • iampissed

        I agree but he also had a loving wife for 25 years after. I was re reading the Gilda stuff and YA what can I say. My wife also has had to do the chemo thing……She is fine THANK YOU….but ya brings back memories. I would suggest to read the article when he spoke to congress on the subject.
        It’s sad but that was the time…at the time. Everyone should have asked questions about family
        history…

        • Missionary Kid

          The local Gilda’s Club, and the whole organization proposed changing the name, because younger people often don’t know who she was. Boy, were people pissed that it was even suggested. It’s still Gilda’s Club.

    • Rasha

      This man created one of the most perfectly-timed, hilarious moments in cinematic history, in Young Frankenstein, when Dr. Frankenstein declares that everything must appear “normal”, and a split-perfect-second later, his starched shirt collar pops open. Rasha knows of few other moments that result in soul-refreshing, full laughter. His total obliviousness to it makes it all the more funny.

      For this, I am grateful, and for everything else. I am glad I could share the planet with him.

    • iampissed

      I didn’t know Mr Wilder personally but being in the entertainment game for way to long, I feel he
      was a true natural and he shared a stage…meaning that if you were a actor and you were working with him you KNEW that he would make you look good…he would help the project and you.
      I’m not into making disparaging remarks but some of the actors that show up here and I mean
      talked about, should learn that trait. Sometimes your just a one dimension wonder, that’s ok
      but only ok. But if you wish to be a true actor you must help everyone to be the best they can be.

  • Graham

    Fly: saw this and thought of you. http://legogradstudent.tumblr.com/

    • flyonthewall

      Thnx Graham. Liked it so much I created a Tumblr accnt and followed him. ๐Ÿ™‚ He’s REALLY good with the interiors and furniture etc.

      • aquaclara

        You have taught us all so much about the fine art of lego art, Fly. I actually went through and looked at all these, too.
        Never too old to love toys.

        • flyonthewall

          I’m a good helper

          • aquaclara

            yes, you are. (Now I won’t ask how you are on AG doll crafts, but that is a thing here lately in the Clara household).

            • flyonthewall

              my girls are def into AG dolls. I totally appreciate miniature dollhouse stuff, people get way into it and it’s amazing. Much respect to dollhouse peeps

            • Sherbet

              I used to sew AG clothes for the neighborhood kids and my grandnieces. I enjoyed it.

            • aquaclara

              I knew I liked you, Sherb!

          • daisy

            See now the bunker is my hobby, how mean it was to introduce me to the creepy hobby of reading sad lego stories. and I miss my grad days.

            • flyonthewall

              i didn’t know you was edumacated. What’d you get your degree in? I never went to grad school, just a BA in History and teaching cert

            • daisy

              I went to Nursing school, I just missed hanging out with grad men.

            • daisy

              They let you order the good drinks.

            • flyonthewall

              Ahh nursing. The world’s oldest profession. Very good

            • Libertylover

              Maybe this will cheer you up Daisy.

            • daisy

              It did!! hysterical. I have that same bra holding up the same flat chest..

            • daisy

              Thank you it did cheer me up. I have that exact bra holding up my flat chest too, but my ass has several more lumps .

      • Ella Raitch

        When was a youngun we just had to imagine some of this stuff. So jelly of all the cool new blocks, tiles and accessories.

        My first lego people looked like this (I think I actually had this set)
        http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/HKiVYr8Pw04/maxresdefault.jpg

        • flyonthewall

          i know, today’s stuff is amazing. Flylady still has one of these old school guys actually

          • TexasBroad

            I’m so old, my legos didn’t even have guys!

            • Sherbet

              I’m so old, my Legos were whittled out of whalebone.

            • Missionary Kid

              Beat ya.

            • Sherbet

              I was going to say my dad had to whittle my Legos out of Lincoln Logs. I think I’ll stop now…

            • Missionary Kid

              My friends had Lincoln Logs, but I never did.

            • Sherbet

              I didn’t, either. I had Colorforms and an Etch-A-Sketch, though.

            • Missionary Kid

              I was at least a Junior in high school when Etch-A-Sketch came around. A friend of mine’s little sister got one.

              I don’t remember Colorforms. My kids may have had some.

            • Sherbet

              I had the Colorforms 1958-ish.

            • Missionary Kid

              Probably, because I was a boy, I didn’t pay attention to them. I hit jr. high in 1956, 60 years ago.

            • I had Addams Family Colorforms, ca 1966.

            • Vaquera

              Spyrograph.

            • Sherbet

              Kewl.

            • Missionary Kid

              I though Spyrograph was neat. I was in college when it came out, and it fit with my Calculus, but I never had a set. As I remember it, though, it was hard to keep the pen on track.

            • noseinabk

              Shrinky Dinks.

            • Vaquera

              Kiddles

            • EmmaDaoust

              I have Fireman whatshisname Kiddle

            • Vaquera

              Hi Emma! Can’t believe you still have one. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • EmmaDaoust

              Hi you! Actually bought it on eBay. My brother had one as a kid, and I just had to have my own. Complete with truck, ladder, and even brush & comb!

            • EmmaDaoust

              Bunson Bernie!!

            • Vaquera

              Score!

            • noseinabk

              Had to look those up.

            • Creepy crawlers and Incredible Edibles.

            • daisy

              My dad was a wood worker and we got ends. Nothing clicked together and all you could do was stack. I did have the most beautiful long curly shavings I used as extentions. He didn’t keep his promise to drill dimples in my cheeks when they were fully developed. Don’t stop ever. It has been nice to see you once in a while.

            • Sherbet

              Your dad sounds like a good guy.

            • daisy

              He was to my sister. She got a tiny table and chairs with a hutch and buffet her size. I got a thread spool nailed to the back of a block for a Barbie toilet. Kidding aside , He was certainly fun.

            • Sherbet

              If you had been my sister, you would have had real hair instead of wood shavings to make your extensions. My dad was a barber.

            • iampissed

              Got me on that one

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m so old, I didn’t have Legos. I had Erector set, and the British version, and, when I got a bit older, a Lionel train. My kids had Legos, but they didn’t have bodies, IIRC. They’re now in their middle 40’s, and I can still remember stepping on those sharp damn Lego blocks in the middle of the night.

            • Libertylover

              Meccano was the best, the British invented it all including lego. ๐Ÿ˜‰
              (I’m a Brit)
              Edit Even GI Joe was started in UK and was originally called Action Man.
              Pictures to annoy fly. F5

            • Missionary Kid

              I must have had a Meccanico set. I lived in Hong Kong from 1949-51, when I got the set. I remember that the parts were painted, while the Erector set was plated. Both were developed far more in later years. I don’t know when I got the Erector set, but I had both.

            • Libertylover

              I sell old toys I get at auctions and estate sales. When I was a kid, every thing plastic was made in Hong Kong. Not anymore, but when I see made in Hong Kong, it instantly dates it to the 70’s.

            • Missionary Kid

              When my youngest went off to college, his mother threw out all of the boxes for his pristine Transformers collection. Groan.

            • Libertylover

              What, you know what those are worth with boxes? I won’t make you cry, but original Transformers still go for good money in nice condition.
              I buy a lot of Corgi and Matchbox cars, it’s big for adult collectors.On EBay, they sell replica boxes. Some adults even buy old battered rare ones and restore and repaint.
              Old Lionel trains are really popular with adults too.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, I know what they are worth with the original boxes.

              Their Matchbox cars didn’t get the care that the Transformers did. They got used with all sorts of slot car sets, so they got banged up.

            • Libertylover

              Still might be worth something. Redline (matchbox cars with red stripe on wheels) sell well. There are sites out there devoted to restoration and selling parts.

            • Missionary Kid

              I actually think those didn’t get saved. I’ll ask them.

            • iampissed

              Dam straight and we liked it

          • Libertylover

            I still have my original 70s ones, without arms and legs. My mum stored them away, thinking she’d give them to the Grandkids, lol

            • Sherbet

              The grandkids wouldn’t want old Legos unless they could send texts on them.

            • Libertylover

              Yep, not the old ones, they had them for a while but now it’s computers, i pods, i phones and video game systems only. I snatched their old lego too.

          • Ella Raitch

            I have a 100 litre bin full of old lego! Including some of those old dudes. I remember what a revelation it was to find you could pull the hand pieces out to use as other things (what? – I can’t remember)

        • Fly Lady

          Quite often I find myself saying “why didn’t I think to make this lego thing this way?” then I realize that I only had basic shapes… cause I’m old, and lego wasn’t so advanced back then!! I get pretty jealous of the new stuff, too!! I probably would’ve killed for the “girl” legos in my time! f5 for a pic of my first set that I still have some of the pieces to!!

          • iampissed

            Again you folks had people

            • Fly Lady

              I am not sure I’d call them people, they’re made of 2×3’s!!

            • Ella Raitch

              Did you flip the wigs around for a bit of variety (not grandma’s though – that was a ridiculous look)

            • Fly Lady

              no, but I used to switch shirts with yellow arms to make tank tops!

            • Sherbet

              Grandma’s hairdo reminds me of Media_Lush…I can’t figure out why…

            • Ella Raitch

              If only I’d thought of that when I was 7!

          • Ella Raitch

            Haha – is that Thunderbirds of TV

            I notice the picture of the family said it was “vintage” lego

            • Libertylover

              That set was released in 1974 ( i posted in wrong spot.)

          • Libertylover

            That set was released in 1974

        • iampissed

          You had people….interesting

        • Sherbet

          What’s grandma sitting on??

          • Ella Raitch

            They didn’t have bendy legs so you had to use blocks to create a ‘lap’

            You used the same blocks to make her long dress when she stood up again

            • Sherbet

              Ah. I see.

  • 9001

    O/T. A tune for Jazzlover…or any other McLaughlin/ Paco fans.
    First 10 minute of video is Goodbye Porkpie Hat in which Paco is beyond fantastic ๐Ÿ™‚
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IJcmxOa2k#t=0m30s
    Wish they had called it Goodbye Scilon Hat!

    • jazzlover

      Thanks. Love that. Mac is the shizz for me. Beck (the one that matters) did that tune in 1976, produced by Sir George Martin. It’s one of Mingus’ classics, written for tenor saxophonist Lester Young:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImxM4Rj5pOQ

  • Vaquera

    O/T: My niece is a sobbing heap in my lap watching the penultimate episode of GoT season one for the first time. Poor, sweet dear. She would never survive CoS disconnection….thank goodness it’s not an option.

    • You’d better prepare ahead of time for Red Wedding.

      • Vaquera

        Right? She doesn’t have access to the show at her house, so I’m ground zero for her foray into the Seven Kingdoms.

        • Kestrel

          I’ll never forget my first foray to the Magic Kingdom.

          • Vaquera

            Not even going to ask.

          • Observer

            Me either. It was my fifth birthday, and my 3-year-old sister peed her pants in terror on Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride.

    • Baby

      Go T?

      • TexasBroad

        Game of Thrones, Baby

        • Baby

          OF course.. I have never seen it.. smooches Broad..

  • Observer

    Pity the Sea Org kids will never have one.

    https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/769706963311689728

    • daisy

      I can*t even bother….

    • Missionary Kid

      So, Kirstie, where’s the love for Leah Remini? Oh, yeah, you’ve disconnected. So much for love.

    • iampissed

      Can one person KNOW so little about the folks she hangs with…REALLY

      • iampissed

        I guess they call it a bubble for a reason

    • iampissed

      Pretty kid

      • Observer

        I believe that’s her grandson

        • Sherbet

          His first words will be, “Nana, why do you have such a foul mouth and talk about sex all the time?”

          • Baby

            Q. ” Nana, can I please have one of your Kripsy Kremes ?

            A. ” I WILL CUT A BITCH..”

            • Sherbet

              That’s Kirstie, all right.

      • iampissed

        They all are…OK maybe some are a bit more goofy…but my 26 yo will grow out of it

    • Baby

      STFU Alley.. Just SHUT UP!

      • Missionary Kid

        Her mouth is like a leaky sewer.

    • daisy

      WISH EVERY child should have a beautiful life until the inevitable disconnection.

  • Observer

    Jim Mathers’ FB cover photo (ca January 2015)

    F5

    • flyonthewall

      that’s Chick Corea on the bottom left isn’t it? Guy on top right looks familiar but can’t place him.

      • Observer

        Stanley Clarke.

    • Vaquera

      This one, posted this afternoon, gives me the willies. f5

      • Observer

        Ugh

      • Rasha

        ….abalone…. abolish…. Ah! Here it is — “abomination”……

      • Baby

        Marilyn Monroe just rolled over in her grave.

    • Rasha

      Why, just look at all those smiles, people who have studied hard, and earned their plac —

      MATHERS!!!!!!

      ….I… it just… oh, geeze…. gonna be si– guh! … not good… it just appeared… I didn’t…. (collapses)

    • Baby

      OK.. I have officially retired ALL hats.

    • Ella Raitch

      I get so nervous when I can’t see his hands

      He was modelled after a Mad magazine character

    • noseinabk

      This would make a good what they think/what they really look like meme.

      http://tvseriesfinale.com/assets/beverlyhillbillies09m.jpg

      Sorry, I know that was petty and mean.
      *not sorry*

    • jazzlover

      Jeez, Gayle Moran looks old enough to be Chick’s grandma. She must not be earning her supapowazz fast enough.

  • Liberated

    If this has been posted, sorry.
    Gene Wilder died today at 83.
    Loved him he was so funny

    • Ella Raitch

      :(((((

      • Liberated

        Hi Ella,
        Hope you don’t mind if I practice my new skill of posting photos.
        This is my son’s dog.

        • Liberated

          Well I see it’s horizontal—I’m learning.
          It’s gonna take some time, I’ll try not to be too obnoxious.

          • Baby

            I fixed it for ya Lib.. I hope you won’t kill me.. If you have been working on it long..sorry

        • daisy

          Beautiful . I love big dogs, unfortunately so does fat beagle

        • Baby

          Absolutely Gorgeous.. Plus the Hardwood floors and rugs.. To Die For..

        • Baby

          f5 ( I lightened it a little)

          • Liberated

            Kill ya, whadda talk?
            Just lay your Demerol stash on me and we’re good.

            • Baby

              I thought you were working your butt off tryin to fix it.. xo

              Pickmonkey is free the basic.. and it literally took me 2sec. when you go there click edit..

              and download picture.. look on left side and it will say Rotate.. xoxo

    • iampissed

      Your not the first but your thoughts are appreciated

  • OOkpik

    Where is Succulent Duck? Haven’t seen him for quite some time.

    • daisy

      or Elwrong Hubturd…

      • flyonthewall

        probably dead. Killed by a drifter most likely

        • daisy

          Well someone could have told us, Although you are almost heroic in your smart-ass silly posts (you know, you post and post) you could probably use a rest. Dodo and J 3 aren’t helping as much lately , keeping summer hours . Johnny tank is back so I am hoping for good things.

          • Fly Lady

            I could make his keyboard “disappear” if you’d like! ๐Ÿ˜‰ (for the right price, of course!

            • daisy

              No I appreciate the help , He at least can add actual insight about scientology. I do J and D and that is it. When I write somewhat coherent it is usually said better up or down thread. Just for future reference what is the right price ?

            • Baby

              for me a beer will do it..

        • Robert Eckert
          • Missionary Kid

            *Laughter, and more laughter* So true.

          • Baby

            f5

          • Missionary Kid

            I ended up sending that cartoon to my kids. Barefoot in the middle of the night was dangerous.

      • Baby

        I was just going to ask about you Missy.. I saw your upvotes, but no comments.. xo

        • daisy

          Summer anti-depressants not doing their job. Enjoy the silence while you can.

          • Baby

            Well I certainly understand that.. I increased mine.. and Damn I think I need Demerol.

            • Liberated

              Whoa, did somebody say Demerol? Sign me up.

            • Missionary Kid

              I use Dammitol. Fewer side effects.

            • Baby

              Love it.. LOVE it.. When I had my last surgery I said.

              ” I don’t want any company.. Just hook me up to Demerol and I am good to go..”

          • Sherbet

            ๐Ÿ™

            • daisy

              I am fine sweetie.

          • Rasha

            Right with ya, kiddo. <3

          • Liberated

            I know what you mean. I attribute this weirdness to the “dog days of summer”. Everything seems a little off, like something’s missing.
            I’m looking forward to fall.
            I know I’ve missed you and so have many others.
            The bunker just ain’t the same without you, girl. Hey, were you Dorothy Parker in a past life?

            • daisy

              I think I just need to get outside more. I am here just not posting as much. No but Bonnie Parker was my aunt.

            • Liberated

              Alright!

            • Baby

              I can’t go outside,, Seriously the medication I am on says.. Stay out of the sun..and I do..

              I have never been able to tolerate heat..NEVER .. I hate COLD too.. I always want to be just right.. Like Snow White.. in Baby bear’s bed.

      • Baby

        He has been crazy busy.. He has really, really great things happening in his life.. and I’m so happy for him.. ( can’t give you the scoop) cause he is so private.

    • iampissed

      I was also wondering about the duck

    • flyonthewall

      There are many possibilities. My gut is telling me kidnapped by N Koreans and forced to teach their agents the ways and mannerisms of a Bunkeroo so that they may infiltrate us.

      • iampissed

        They want him for his beard knowledge

    • Baby

      OK.. this is what I heard..

      He was carrying the ” CALL ME SIGN..”

      ZZ TOP called him( after they spotted his beard.) .and he joined the band.

      • iampissed

        LOL…you made my day

        • Baby

          Wow.. You must have really had a shitty day pissed.. bawwwwwwwwhahahhahahhaha

        • Baby

          thanks honey…

    • FredEX2

      I saw this cute pic and thought of you OOkpik ๐Ÿ˜Š

      • Baby

        OMG.. Fred.. so cute.. Mac so one on our deck rail a couple of weeks ago that was that size.. by the time that he whispered out to me and I scooted to look he was gone..

        No picture Nuthin.

        • Supper Powers

          Maybe Eastern Screech Owl. Those are tiny and in FL. Make great calls.
          ETA: this one calls after the human pishes it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6N4C4U70Ajc

          • Baby

            That is probably it.. I love owls..I just don’t know that much about them Supper..

            • noseinabk

              We made fun of my husbands owl call until we went camping and the kids heard an owl. The kids thought it was him until they heard the call when he was standing in front of us.
              We have one near us now that ” communicates ” with my husband almost every night in the fall and early winter. The owl will sometimes start calling as soon as we turn on the back porch light to let the dog out around 11 or so. I think it is the same owl who runs around our back yard looking like a giant horned chicken in late summer but I can never get a good pic.
              Yes, I am easily entertained. Luna moths, skunks, hawks, eagles, hummingbird moths, ground hogs, all entertaining to me. Snakes? not so much.

            • Baby

              I was just going to say Nose..you would love it here.. Until I read the Snake part..

              Well.. I’m sure your children were quite impressed with Dad after that! ha..

            • noseinabk

              When they were little it was quite impressive. Now we get a kick out of the fact that the grandbaby tries to imitate him with a very breathy little “hoo, hoo” call of her own.

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwwwwwwww… that is so sweet.. How old is she now? your family is so cute..

            • noseinabk

              8 months this week and working on being a real firecracker.

            • Baby

              Awwww.. I was going to say that I love babies.. but I’m sure you know that by now..hahahhaa..

              What a difference in your life, eh? 8 months is a cute age.. She will really love Christmas this year..the lights and sounds..

              When my mom had us twins.. She put the tree in the Playpen..hahhaa.. to keep it safe.

          • chukicita

            We have these in the backyard.
            Owls kind of make me shudder. (no offense, OOkpik!)

      • OOkpik

        Aaaw. That’s the cutest thing. Thanks, FredEx. Added to my collection. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • madame duran

          Your avatar makes me think of Rush’s album cover for “Fly By Night”.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Has anyone read that Isabella Cruise is pregnant? I did, today. Apparently, she is a hermit who lives in London and only leaves her place to go to the $ci-center for several hours a few days a week. This means she’s gonna do the whole “silent birth ” thing. I feel so bad for her kid, a future Sea- Org member…..and I expect worse…..

    • Tony Ortega

      Link?

      • Baby

        I have been googling this .. Can’t find a thing.. Several have speculated.. 2015.. blah, blah..
        Haven’t seen anything confirmed.

      • Supper Powers
        • daisy

          Hey S*up. Hoping everything is fine, been thinking about cha

          • Supper Powers

            Besides being embarrassed that I looked up celebrity news, I’m ok. Thanks for the thoughts. I’ll be more chatty in the coming weeks, but you better bet I’m watchin’ ya, Daisy Cakes!

        • Ella Raitch

          Guessing ‘schwanger’ is pregnant! ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Ella Raitch

          My German is pretty rusty but I think they are basing the report on the sighting of a ‘baby bump’

      • Taffy Sinclair

        So, I read it in nat’l enquierer. Sorry it’s not scholarly….. it was this week’s issue. Sorry for the gossip….. but I believe where there’s smoke….. maybe fire. Maybe not. Who knows!

    • Baby

      Did you mean Blac Chyna..?

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Lol, baby! I saw you on radar online regarding blac chyna ๐Ÿ˜‚ you are high-larious! @! But yeah, her too….

        • Baby

          Yep.. I hang on Radar..Not like here.. But Yeah.. hahahhahhahaha

    • Gib
      • Living the life of a millionaire because he is a millionaire. I wonder if he’s really into the church or he just plays along to get along. He looks like a smart kid, but then again, the cult is all he’s ever known. I hope the reports that he has lots of friends outside the church is accurate. Not that any of them would likely say anything negative about it. That’s the problem for rich kids, you never know if your friends are your friends or they just like feeding off your scraps.

  • Rasha

    Off topic, but it’s late and the night sky is perfect. Just sitting here downwind of a small window fan, thinking, as I shoo away the small flying specks that hover around the blue glow of the laptop screen, that I will soon miss this perfect evening. The sky is clear, trees are loud with insect buzzing, and the low hum of the fan is amplified by the open window frame. The condensation on my glass will likely leave a ring in the tabletop, and that’s fine.

    Nice breeze, good laughs, some somber reflection. Time for sleep. Cheers.

    • Baby

      NIght Rashie.. My perfect evenings our coming up soon.. It is so hot in the evening here you can NOT breathe.. so I will take over where your beautiful evenings will be no longer.

      You write beautifully.. xo

      • Rasha

        #^_^# *shnuggle*

        • Baby

          Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww
          Day is Done..
          Gone the Sun..

          DA da da.. da da da ( forgot words)
          Day is Done
          ……………….
          I will give you my Island sunset….f5

          • Rasha

            ….ohhhh……

    • iampissed

      Um………. can you write that In music! Thank You

  • Ok! Hand over $300.000 and i will tell you a confidential secret that is not so confidential that it is unknown after you know then you can just stop doing what i have told you did anyway! Comprende? F5

    • OOkpik

      And when he realizes that he has been mocking up body thetans and past life memories, he can stop mocking them up too. It’s LRH’s insanity, not his.

      eta: Head for the nearest exits, folks: the gig is up! Your Friends and loved ones are awaiting your return.

      • ohh! BT’s that have to wait until OT8. At this point he is his own BT’s

    • The definition of Clear is Unclear until you are Clear! Ubermensh has alls the funz!

    • Baby

      f5

    • scottmercer

      Tuck into that delicious, overpriced Word Salad!

  • Cosmo Pidgeon

    Lost my password some time ago…then remembered. Ahh the kindness of aging.

    • Baby

      I missed you Mr. xox baby f5

    • noseinabk

      Welcome to the bunker. ๐Ÿ˜Š

      โ€œThe advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time.โ€
      โ€• Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Kim O’Brien

    Bloopers from Young Frankenstein …refresh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD6A2WTW0wM

    • Baby

      I read Gilda’s book..She absolutely adored Gene.

      This film is a classic.. thanks Kim..Hahahhahahah

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you.

  • outraged

    ot……or not.

    my husband and I are separating, something I never ever thought would happen.

    Right now I feel loved, confident and supported. This is not MY fault. Not about fault at all.
    We have an amazing child. Nothing will ever change that.

    I am now out of my comfort zone. There is a whole new world opening up.
    But my ancient heart – healed over the years with worn SpongeBob Band-Aids – cracked in new places.

    I know everything will be alright.

    btw, fyi, fwiw: I take MEDICATIONS for Major Depressive Disorder/Dysthymia, anxiety, insomnia.
    I spent HOURS in THERAPY.
    And I take responsibility for my life.
    I give love to my family and friends and in return, I receive understanding and love.

    Fuck you DM.

    • Kim O’Brien

      love and support hugs & high fives …new things in front of you and it will be amazing !

    • Panopea Abrupta

      (((Hugs)))
      Huge huge hugs
      Love yourself, love your child, be grateful for what you shared that was beautiful.
      Be patient.
      Take time.
      Cherish those who support you all.
      Life is not always easy but it always is extraordinary.
      There will be light, that has travelled for light years, that will shine upon you.
      xxx
      PA

      • JaxNGold

        Beautiful post, Pan. โค๏ธ

    • EmmaDaoust

      Sending you comfort.

    • noseinabk

      So sorry Outraged. I once told a friend that I thought that dealing with a divorce would be like healing from a death in the family. She didn’t agree at all and walked away with no regrets. Marriage is hard sometimes.

      Just for the record, if I ever get a divorce ,it will be 100% his fault. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Baby

        I left my husband.. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFt .. I couldn’t be controlled anymore.. We grew apart once I told him to Fuck off..and left him for Mac.

        Mac isn’t going anywhere. I told him I would take his Boat. He’s been kissin my ass ever since..

    • Yeah!… Fuck DM!

    • Liberated

      I have so much I wish I could say to you. I have just gone thru a similar situation.
      Your comfort zone is gone but that’s ok, you will discover a new one,a better one,
      you will discover yourself. At least you feel loved, I didn’t. My anxiety was off the charts and so was my blood P. it’s still not great, but at least I know it’s gonna be OK.
      Trust yourself, your true self will never let you down. Just continue on thru this darkness and you will find joy….I promise.

      • Baby

        ” Trust yourself, your true self will never let you down.”
        ……………………………………………………………………………………………..
        You got us Lib.. and I promise I will never let you down. You are my friend.f5

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        This is SO well put! Huge to you too Libs and you put it SO much better than I managed to (& without writing a novel like I always manage to! Ha!)

    • coonellie

      I am so so sorry! You are blessed and you will make it through. Hugs and prayers.

    • Juicer77

      Sorry to hear. May these changes lead to better things for you. Hugs.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Sorry to hear this Outraged.
      But you have a great outlook and you are right- it is a whole new world opening up for you.

    • Baby

      Hmmmmm.. Well O.R. This is a whole new chapter in your life darlin. I would hug and hold you until the tears stopped..

      but shit ..it doesn’t sound like you need it. Yep .. Been there.. 30 years.. and then Mac. and Yes like you I also have

      btw, fyi, fwiw: ” I take MEDICATIONS for Major Depressive Disorder/Dysthymia, anxiety, insomnia.
      I spent HOURS in THERAPY. ”

      Wonderful Child ( Check)..Positive Outlook ( check) Love given and received ( Check)
      Fuck you to DM ( Check)

      An Original ” Here Comes the Sun” by Baby.. Check.. Good luck with your new life honey. I am happy for you.. xoxoxo love baby f5

      • Baby

        f5

        • daisy

          I am sorry to hear about that OR. Baby*s picture says just about anything I can say. Take special time to care for yourself. I find talking with friends helps just about anything so keep coming here and let us know how you are doing. PS I think a lot of the people here have medication requirements, including myself. I think that is one of the things that outrageous us about this cult.(((( hugs))))

          • Baby

            Daisy.. I want to make sure OR gets this.. cause you commented under mine. It is such a good comment.. night sweet daisy..kiss to fat beagle.

    • HTC

      Went through that myself nearly five years ago, and I also take medication for depression/anxiety. It’s a scary and shitty time but you will come out on the other side. There are some wonderful online support groups at dailystrength.org.
      In my case, it wasn’t my choice either, but in the end I realized it was the right choice. (((HUGS)))

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Don’t cry beautiful one. When one door closes, another one opens….I used to not believe that, but it’s true. Sending you lots of hugs and love as you set off on this new adventure in your life. (f5)

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Outraged –
      You have one hell of an outlook, to announce that along with feeling loved, supported, etc. and holding onto being thankful for your child, etc! That outlook and your obvious strength will get you through the hard patches. This is an adventure like no other (I went through sep-then-divorce when my boys now in college were 4 & 1.) and while it’s not easy, you get to put YOU first now so Momma’s happy, healthy & 100% for your precious child (doesn’t matter how big they get – they always need a mom who’s doing well & taking time to recharge).
      I’m sorry for the shock & hurt you may feel now, but I’ll tell you anytime I’ve watched someone call time on a marriage, it seems it’s ALWAYS the one taken by surprise who ends up on top & better off! You’re amazing & regardless what illnesses (that you’re addressing & that’s all ANYone can ask!!! So don’t let anyone use those to make you feel less-than, you’re NOT!) you deal with, we all have our stuff! There are some great resources out there if you ever want or need & I’m here & happy to get you my info if you ever want details on those or need/want a Bunker-buddy around to vent, talk, encourage or distract (talk about anything but on the days you need that!) huge hugs and just remember you’re cherished & going to be fine at the end of this, no matter how it feels for a while (& that’s what friends are for – to help you get to the other end of the tunnel)! Xoxo

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      outraged, I am thinking of you and wishing you the best. I am so glad you have supportive friends and family, that makes all the difference. And I am glad you have therapy and necessary meds. Take good care of yourself, reach out for help from us, your quirky online Bunker friends, as you need it.

  • EmmaDaoust

    Shirley Bassey sings about cognitive dissonance.
    https://youtu.be/mlfxFPrHI6c

  • Dave Reams

    Poor Clay Bock – drinking clam juice cool aid for 30 years or more and still a pre clear : ( Or ? … Does he wear fake glasses just to look smart?

  • Jimmy3

    maybe the wrong place to ask but has anyone seen my bed? I just got home and my bed is gone.

    • Jimmy3

      I left it right fuking here under my bush with all my stuff and I get back and it’s just gone and someone else has moved in

      • OOkpik

        Jimmy, have you been drinking again?
        That’s not your bush! That’s yours over yonder.

        • daisy

          LOL

      • TheMirrorThetan

        You can share mine, Jimmy.
        As long as you don’t mind a person who is a snorer, sleep talker and a sleep farter.

      • Ella Raitch

        I thought they took away the old one but left new one

      • Fly Lady

        well, you’ll be in for a shock later this week when your bush is gone!! this ain’t cypress creek, we give the bum’s rush!! f5

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Did it look like this?

    • daisy

      No one can match you for bizarre random hilarity .I nearly broke my hip falling off the chair laughing.Fly was bitching this am about you carrying your mattress around in the park. Check there. I love you , you silly Leprechaun ass.

      • Baby

        Well Daisy.. This old lady is going to bed.. I was snooping around and found this.. if you get bored you can read.. love baby Night love..

        https://antidianetics.wordpress.com/2010/08/27/hello-world/

        • MissCandle

          But Baby, I just got up . . .

          • Baby

            Ships passing in the night Candle..but you are a lighthouse..

            Wait.. are you a lighthouse? ha.. xo baby… yawwwwwwwwn

        • daisy

          Thanks Baby I will read it with my morning lager , have a good sleep . I hope it cools down for you.

          • Baby

            Thank God for A/C .. I’ll be fine as long as I don’t go outside..Bleh