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For Scientology’s most infamous dirty trickster, retirement has a happy ending


[El Jefe welcomes you to his empire]

Once again, we want to pay tribute to our great researchers and tipsters. We simply couldn’t keep up this daily website without the invaluable help we get from unsung heroes who are constantly on the lookout for court records and business documents and so many other things.

One of our best helpers recently shared with us a really fun find. And that’s how we can give you an update today on one of Scientology’s most notorious characters, its former chief dirty tricks private eye, Eugene Ingram.

From about 1982 to 2012 — a span of 30 years — Gene Ingram was the guy the Church of Scientology turned to not only to dig up dirt on people it considered enemies, but also to stage elaborate operations that sometimes put him on the wrong side of the law.

Ingram had been a member of the Los Angeles Police Department whose career had ended in a pretty unsavory way. Here’s how the Los Angeles Times described it in its landmark 1990 series by Joel Sappell and Robert Welkos…

More recently, Scientology investigations have been run by former Los Angeles Police Department sergeant Eugene Ingram, who was fired by the department in 1981 for allegedly running a house of prostitution and alerting a drug dealer of a planned raid. (In a later jury trial, Ingram was acquitted of all criminal charges.)

When he needs help, Ingram has sometimes turned to former LAPD colleagues. Ex-officer Al Bei, for example, played a key role in a 1984 investigation of David Mayo, an influential Scientology defector who had opened a rival church near Santa Barbara. Scientologists believed Mayo was using stolen Hubbard teachings.

Bei and other investigators questioned local businessmen, handing out business cards that said, “Special Agent, Task Force on White Collar Crime.” Their questions suggested — falsely — that Mayo was linked to international terrorism and drug smuggling, according to court records. At a local bank, Bei tried without success to obtain Mayo’s banking records and implied that Mayo was engaged in money laundering, an executive of the bank said.

The investigators rented an office directly above Mayo’s facility and leaned from the windows to photograph everyone who entered. Mayo eventually obtained a court order barring Ingram Investigations and church members from going near Mayo or his facility. The judge said the investigation amounted to “harassment.”

Spreading false rumors about a Scientology target by implying that they were the subject of a police investigation was standard fare for the church and its private eyes. Ingram not only used this method, at one time he was even wanted in two states for impersonating police officers.

We’ve written about Ingram numerous times. A story we did about attorney Graham Berry back in 1999 explained how Berry accused Ingram of pretending to be an LA cop in order to intimidate a former Berry associate into writing a false affidavit about him.

Gerry Armstrong has numerous stories about how Ingram targeted him at his website. And we talked with Jesse Prince this week, who was a member of Scientology’s inner elite when Ingram was hired.

“That guy took me into the world of Robert Ludlum,” Jesse says with a laugh. “The world of spies. It was right at the end of the GO makeover and before anyone thought of the name OSA.”

In the early 1980s, after a 1977 FBI raid had resulted in convictions of 11 top Scientology officials — including Mary Sue Hubbard, the wife of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard — the church’s sophisticated spy operation, the Guardian’s Office, was being dismantled in favor of a new wing that would become known as the Office of Special Affairs, or OSA.

“Those of us who controlled the church no longer had the ability to run phone numbers and get police records and other dirt we used to get from the old GO,” Jesse explains. But then Ingram was hired, and everything changed.

“All I knew about him from being briefed at ASI was that he was a dirty ex-cop, but that he knew everyone. It was amazing how quickly he could bring up a police profile on someone, or phone records — the same day you asked for them — when it would take the GO several days to get it.”

Jesse says the first case he remembers Ingram being brought in for, in 1982, involved a newspaper leak that the church wanted to plug.

“I was pretty green and naive, I didn’t know what was going on. I was told by Vicki Aznaran, who got it from Miscavige, to report to some seedy hotel in South LA,” he says, referring to David Miscavige, the young Sea Org officer who would eventually take over Scientology after Hubbard’s death in 1986.

Jesse arrived at the hotel where Ingram was holding a person he suspected of being part of the leak to the Los Angeles Times. It was going to be Jesse’s job to get information out of the guy with the use of a Scientology e-meter.

“Ingram had set up the room. He brought the guy in — and I don’t remember his name, but he was totally freaked out. Ingram said, whatever you do, do it quickly. Then he stood at the door and pulled out his pistol. I thought, are you serious? I put the guy on the meter after I explained how it worked. I started interrogating him based on information that Ingram had already got out of him. I don’t remember what the guy said. But I do remember someone beating on the door, and the guy saying he had to get out. And Ingram yelled at him, you aren’t going anywhere! And then he said we might have to shoot our way out of there. It was crazy. The guy was crying, in fear for his life, and Gene was screaming at the person at the door. I don’t know how we got out of there.”

With his unique talents, Ingram commanded a large salary from the church, Jesse says, and he was soon driving around in a new car. The church also spent large amounts in expenses when Ingram needed it. Jesse remembers an elaborate operation, for example, in the case of David Mayo, which the Los Angeles Times article we quoted earlier mentioned.

Mayo was a top technical person in the church — and L. Ron Hubbard’s personal auditor — who had broken away and then set up his own independent version of Scientology in Santa Barbara, calling his facility the Advanced Ability Center.

This represented a huge threat as some of Scientology’s wealthy members were growing disillusioned with the organization since Hubbard had gone into total seclusion in 1980, and they were taking their business to the AAC. It’s well documented that the church threw a massive amount of resources into trying to destroy Mayo and his independent operation. As the LA Times article mentioned, the church had private eyes rent the office directly upstairs from Mayo’s and photographed who came and went. They also sent in spies posing as customers, including Nancy Many, who has written about her experiences as a Scientology operative in her book My Billion-Year Contract.

Jesse tells us that the operation had one major obstacle: They couldn’t get Mayo to come away from the facility long enough to burglarize his office and get records to find out how much money the AAC was taking in. But then, enter Eugene Ingram.

“What Ingram did, he went in there and posed as a TV producer, a journalist, and he pumped up Mayo about being persecuted. Gene told him he wanted to interview him on TV. We bought time at a studio and rented cameras. So, while Mayo is being interviewed at the studio, we had other people getting into his office, getting all of his shit. His mailing list, records of his finances. And then we used the mailing list to send the people letters to tell them we knew that they were using the AAC and we were coming after them.”

It was a slick operation, and the kind of thing that Ingram specialized in for many years.

When we interviewed author Russell Miller on the occasion of his 1987 biography of Hubbard, Bare-Faced Messiah, coming back into print in 2014, Miller told us about Ingram’s pursuit of him. At one point, Miller told us, Ingram was trying to destroy Miller’s livelihood by spreading the false rumor that Russell had murdered an American man in East Germany that he’d been sent to interview. “Eugene Ingram was certainly the major figure, because later on they then tracked down virtually everybody I knew in the United States and Europe. I mean, it was amazing to me. They found every single person I knew in the United States, and I knew a lot of people there because I worked there frequently. So they were in Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Washington, and it always seemed to be Eugene Ingram turning up,” Miller told us.

But Jesse told us that for all of that work around the world Ingram did for the church, it was all purely in the name of business.

“Nobody ever put Gene Ingram on the meter and tried to make him a Scientologist,” Jesse says.

We include that detail in particular because the man who replaced Ingram as Scientology’s chief dirty trickster, a private eye named Dave Lubow, feels very differently about that. In an affidavit Lubow submitted in Monique Rathbun’s 2013 harassment lawsuit against the church, Lubow swore that he was, in fact, a Scientologist, and that he was personally offended at the things former Scientology executive Marty Rathbun had said about David Miscavige on his blog. That was Lubow’s justification, anyway, for why he had organized church members to become part of a bizarre surveillance crew known as the “Squirrel Busters,” who followed the Rathbuns around for months in the summer of 2011 and tried to make their life “a living hell,” according to one former member of the squad.

Anyway, Lubow is off the hook in that matter since the lawsuit was dropped, and we still aren’t too sure how much of a Scientologist he is. But one thing’s for sure, he hasn’t achieved quite the legendary reputation of his predecessor, Gene Ingram.

There are so many disturbing and wacky stories about Ingram and the things he did while he was working for Scientology. Attorney Michael Flynn was one target of his elaborate schemes, for example, which we talk about in our book about Paulette Cooper. But we noticed that Ingram had, in more recent years, seemed to have faded away. We telephoned him a couple of years ago; he called us some not very nice names and threatened us if we ever called him again at home.

Still, we sometimes wondered what he was up to.

And then, our researcher made an interesting find. He found that Ingram was posting numerous photos from his retirement online. With the help of former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder, who used to work closely with Ingram, we confirmed that this is indeed Scientology’s old dirty trickster. It turns out that in 2008, Ingram and his wife built a watering hole on an empty lot they owned in Cabo San Lucas. Gene runs the place, calling himself “El Jefe,” and he also came up with the name for the bar: the Happy Ending Cantina.


The Cabo club caters especially to law enforcement officers who are in Baja California to blow off steam. And according to photos the cantina posts on Facebook (which is the source of all the photos we’ve gathered for this story), its other demographic is young women who enjoy dancing on bar tops.

Gene himself has written a pretty interesting history of the place, which we thought some of our ex-Scientologists whose many donations over the years must have helped pay for this joint, might be curious about…

“El Jefe,” and his wife Regine, “La Jefa,” first visited Cabo San Lucas in the summer of 1986 and fell in love with the area. Back then there were only two paved streets in Cabo, no street lights, no traffic lights, no supermarkets, and no golf courses. There were virtually no tourist activities other than fishing, swimming, or sunbathing on wide open deserted beaches. The only bar in town was the Giggling Marlin, built in 1985 by a couple of young American guys, as a place where visiting fishermen could eat and drink. Everything back then, including food, drinks and land, was dirt cheap. Cabo’s only private school, El Camino, located in the exclusive Pedregal development, opened in 1984. Cabo’s Mexican residents were the friendliest in the world.

Gene and Regine decided to buy an oceanfront home under construction and move to Cabo. They did so simply to live on the beach with their 5-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son. Their new life living in Cabo began in December 1986. They had no idea Regine would be giving birth to twins, a boy and a girl, just eight months later. They had no plans to ever start any kind of business in Cabo.

At that time, Gene had been a California licensed Private Investigator for four years after retiring early as a Sergeant with the Los Angeles Police Department due to being injured on duty. As a P.I., Gene specialized in conducting Complex Litigation Investigations, International Investigations, and Cover Intelligence Gathering and Analysis for attorneys and private clients from around the world. Regine was a full-time mom and homemaker.

Gene and Regine drove the ATVs they brought with them to get around town, take their daughter to and from school and explore Cabo’s pristine beaches and virtually all of Los Cabos. Back then Cabo was truly a magical place to live. It was impossible to rent a car in Cabo and there was virtually nothing for tourists to do if they didn’t fish or like to swim or sunbathe. Practically every time Gene or Regine drove their ATVs around town tourists would ask them from where the ATVs were rented. Gene and Regine decided it would be fun to open an ATV tour business in Cabo. In early 1987, Gene returned to So Cal, purchased 25 ATVs and 60 scooters and shipped them back to Cabo. Gene and Regine purchased a huge dirt lot, where they would later build Happy Ending Cantina, and opened “Cubasco’s,” the first ATV & scooter rental company in Mexico. Fortunately for them, the business flourished.

Six years later Gene and Regine decided it best to move back to the USA so their four children, all fluent in Spanish and English, could receive an American education. They closed Chubasco, built three rental stores on the property, and moved back to So Cal. The family spent most ensuing summers vacationing in Cabo so they could stay in touch with all their Cabo amigos.

In 2008, one of Gene and Regine’s tenants was forced to close his business. They decided to redevelop the property and use it themselves. By this time, there were many new hotels, bars, and restaurants in Cabo. Plus, Cabo was attracting not just fishermen but just about everyone else. Celebrities, professional athletes, and VIPs were frequently seen around town. Gene and Regine’s property was now in the middle of all the popular new bars and clubs in Cabo. Gene describes the property’s location as being on the “50-yard line.”

Cabo Wabo and the old Giggling Marlin were in one “end zone,” while El Squid Roe and the Hard Rock were in the other. Gene and Regine decided it best to build a cantina where Chubasco’s was once located. However, neither Gene nor Regine had any bar or restaurant experience but decided to build the most unique cantina in the world. They built Happy Ending from the ground up in five and a half months and opened for business on October 29, 2008. Gene named it Happy Ending Cantina and designed the first logo.


[Gene’s first stab at the logo]

Gene goes on to write…

Gene and Regine’s kids have grown into adults and all now live in So Cal. They now range in age from 26 to 32. Both boys are married and the oldest is the father of twin girls. The youngest girl is an Advertising Executive. Her twin brother is an LAPD police officer. Their 28-year-old son is also an LAPD police officer. Their oldest daughter is a Deputy District Attorney in Los Angeles.

Gene retired from his private investigation business in 2012 after thirty years working on behalf of clients around the planet. Gene and Regine now spend as much time in Cabo San Lucas as possible running Happy Ending when they’re not in Southern California.

When he is back in California, he’s still promoting his Cabo bar…


…or he’s celebrating when one of his sons, Rex, gets promoted to sergeant at the LAPD…


But it’s good to know that after all the fun Gene had trying to destroy the lives of people like Gerry Armstrong and Mike Flynn and Russell Miller and Graham Berry and so many others on behalf of the Church of Scientology, he’s now having so much fun…


We reached out to Gene through the Happy Ending Cantina, but he apparently hasn’t changed his mind about us and didn’t respond. But if you’re in Cabo, stop by for a margarita and tell him we said hello.


3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on August 2, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Michael David

    It’s a good lesson for life, karma doesn’t exist.
    Evil, crappy people do not receive justice, especially if they are ex police officers.

    Gotta wonder how corrupt his sons are, fruit doesn’t usually fall far from the tree.

    • villagedianne

      Mr. Karma doesn’t provide instant gratification. Sometimes it takes longer than a life.

      • flyonthewall

        you mean like your corpse could be desecrated? That’s a legit concern for real

        • Franklin Adams

          Yeah no kidding. Weirdest thing I’ve ever heard from my home state came out of Key West and Zephyrhills (of course) where some German quack desecrated the corpse of some Cuban woman he was obsessed with over the period of like 16 years. Its disgusting, weird and true.

          • flyonthewall

            *wipes tear* Poor gu…I mean, oh wtf is wrong with him?? Aww geez smh

  • villagedianne

    Marty Rathbun acted from real, though tragically misguided convictions. Ingram is more of an amoral, sinister Roy Cohn type figure.

  • Juicer77

    Disqus makes some comments teeny AND others HUUUUGE. I am getting yelled at!

    • Franklin Adams

      Disqus has been acting weird for me the past couple of days too. And not just here. I just say the most here.

      • Juicer77

        Upvoting and placement have been funky for weeks. We broked it!! O.o

        • Franklin Adams

          I wouldn’t be that surprised. All that entheta and suppression coming out of the hundreds of sockpuppet accounts here (because you know, there are only six of us) broke disqus. Perhaps it needs a touch assist.

          • Juicer77

            *poke poke poke*

  • Wog

    Gene Ingram – another slimy, rotten, stinky butt hole that protected the Cult of Scientology.

  • Kay

    Is it just me, or does it creep anyone else out that THREE of this guy’s kids are in law enforcement and/or the justice system? What is with that? Don’t they know who he really is and what he has done? Very odd…..

    • JaxNGold

      I thought the same thing. Seriously, wtf? Do his kids know he was a dirty cop who did vicious things for the cult? I wonder if he told them some kind of watered down version of the sick shit he did to people.

      • Kay

        Probably he made it sound legitimate and very law enforcement to them. It’s also hard for kids, even adult ones, to believe that a parent is someone like that.

    • Franklin Adams

      Family business.

      Not to defend this asshole, but when your family does something you tend to do the same. My grandpa and great uncle worked on the Manhattan Project and with the original proto-Nuclear Emergency Search Team under the Atomic Energy Commission before Grandpa went into teaching, Dad was a warhead technician with the Navy and also worked on the DoE’s eastern render-safe team. I specialized in Nuclear/Radiological emergency planning and response (though I don’t work in it directly yet, all hazards rules the roost at the moment).

      You wind up with an insight into how things are in a field that other people don’t have because they weren’t constantly surrounded by people talking about it. They could be as dirty as he is, or maybe not, its really hard to say.

      • I’m a 4th generation accountant…

        • Franklin Adams

          And you knew what to expect, like techniques, “tactics” and procedures going into it that your peers who were doing the same didn’t and had to learn from experience, right?

          • Exactly. I spent a lot of time around my dad’s offices and so I learned things by proximity and through osmosis.

        • Baby

          woops just asked you.. xo I have always remembered that your dad was one.

      • flyonthewall

        I’m a 10th generation hustla

        • Baby

          Cowards RUN in my family

        • just another guy out there

          I’m a next generation boombox.

          • flyonthewall

            lets do this. f5

      • Kay

        That’s true.

      • Missionary Kid

        I didn’t follow my father and grandfather to become a preacher, but I do preach here in the Bunker. 😛

    • That’s not fair to the kids. I am not like my parents.

      • Robert Eckert

        But you haven’t tried to follow in your father’s footsteps, either. I might be wrong, but like Kay I worry that the apples didn’t fall far from the tree in this case.

        • I do exactly the same thing my dad did and his dad did and his mom did and his sister did and his grandad did and my mom’s dad does.

          • Baby

            Hi D.. You are an accountant?

            • Yes and I come from a long line of them.

          • Robert Eckert

            I didn’t realize that.

            • I certainly think it’s possible the kids have mental health issues related to their dad’s own issues. I certainly do and most kids of parents who are narcissistic, sociopathic or neurotic usually end up with mental health issues due to childhood abuse or neglect.

              I don’t necessarily think it means they are bad people, corrupt cops or anything else. I don’t think that because their dad is a bad person that it makes any statistical difference in the likelihood of the kids being bad people either.

      • Kay

        Point taken…..

  • gtsix

    So I was checking out this bar on Facebook… and my cousin and her husbad (he a LEO) go there often when they go to Mexico!

    I’d try to enlighten them about the owner.. but they wouldn’t care. Such sads.

    • villagedianne

      There must be another low dive in Cabo that they can patronize.

      • gtsix

        Sure, but it’s a cop bar, and he’s a badge. My cousin wouldn’t care about scientology, and would defend his rights to be a PI. (This cousin defended the RCC and how they handled their pedophilia scandal with: gotta get rid of those gay priests.) No hope for them.

        • Observer

          Even if he knew Gene was a dirty cop?

          • gtsix

            He’d say “he wasn’t convicted, and internal investigations are just witch hunts against good police.”

            He’s a cop first and foremost.

            • Franklin Adams

              Funny how the cops always fight for a lower burden of proof and steady erosion of things like the 4th Amendment for everyone but themselves. One rule for me, another for thee at its finest.

            • Observer

              Like Congress

            • ExCult.Jan

              Like destructive cults.

            • Observer

              That’s kind of scary

  • Mark Ebner

    Good old Eugene “run for the border” Ingram, waiting out the statutes of limitation on crimes committed for the cult.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Good to see your here Mark!

      • Baby

        Good to see you here Eivol !

  • Panopea Abrupta

    If I wrote a sonnet for Grant Cardone, surely this oleaginous vermin
    deserves more than the two limericks i gave him this morning.

    Engrams May Come and Go
    Ingrams Never Die – They Just Smell That Way.

    Seasoned gladiator in $ci’s arena,
    Appears human – mere faux patina
    Never mistaken for a ballerina,
    His mind as bland as semolina
    He ain’t drinking lemon verbena
    May he choke on emphysema

    Some drink to remember, others to forget
    His crimes may come to haunt him yet
    But Gene ain’t got a conscience, never fret
    He doesn’t know the meaning of regret
    On this fact, Davey has laid his bet
    Paid Gene’s blood money with others’ debt

    In the infamous police force of LA
    His kids are cops and one’s now a DA
    No longer PI, he has licence to play.
    For his crimes it seems he did not pay
    Spending decades helping DM to prey
    The colour of this story is cray grey.

    Ill-gotten gains? Gene realized his goals
    His cantina largely features stripper poles
    Binge drinking gringos, loud lost assholes
    Ingram must be happy with like souls
    For this sleazeball, there will be greasy knolls
    While Hell awaits him with red hot coals

    • Baby

      You are the best Pan!

  • beauty for ashes

    Sooo icky, gross, creepy. I flinched when I saw the pic of him with his hands around those girls. Gonna go watch some Bravo to cleanse my mind. EEEEEWWWW!!!!!

    • Rasha

      …I went back to Perfume’s “Flash” vid. Yes, they are dancers and singers, but they could do some serious damage, just from their focus alone. I won’t keep posting it, but I cannot get enough of them. Strong ladies.

  • Jeb Burton

    He may not be a Scientologist, but he sure as hell looks like one.

  • Ever met an SP?

    Sincere apologies to those of you I missed for the dinner and pub gathering with Paulette and Paul last night: as I explained to Andrea by email, my flight home from Stockholm was delayed by two hours, so it was to late to make it.

    The good news, though, is that I did meet them this afternoon and was able to give them the tour we’d talked about on her last visit of the Palace of Westminster, which is where I work – previously I’d given a more truncated version of the same tour to Tony and John Sweeny, which was how I got tied up with this community IRL in the first place. I can’t share any photos because Paul took most of them and Paulette the remaining few, but suffice it to say that a good time was had by all.

    Funnily enough we didn’t even talk about Scientology all that much: apart from the tour I was giving we were mostly just chatting about how their trip was going, and about current events. We did share some views on Scientology issues that we had, but one thing I’ve learned is that when you have the chance to spend time with someone you admire because of some special facet of their life, they usually end up having a better time just having a normal conversation, since having to talk about one subject all the time (because that’s all anyone wants to discuss with you) can get tiresome.

    One thing I couldn’t fail to notice was the utter absurdity spending time with them revealed of the Scientology definition of a ‘suppressive person’. I’ve been on the Scientology website and seen its training video they post there on the ’causes of suppression’; in Scientology terms Paulette is about the most suppressive person living, so judging by its reasoning by the end of the afternoon she should have insulted me to my face, stolen my wallet, beaten me up and probably murdered me. All she’s really done is stood up against this one organisation on grounds that have since been proven: even ignoring this completely, she and Paul are truly wonderful people, among the best I’ve ever met.

    So I realised, that’s the reason for the disconnection policy, and it’s the reason, terribly sadly for the people whose lives it destroys, why Scientology can never afford to relinquish it. If Scientologists can be permitted to learn that the organisations critics can indeed be good, even great men and women, they can’t help listening to them and doing some thinking for themselves. ‘The other’ must forever be demonised.

    • UhLasare

      ♡ ♡ ♡

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I can’t thank you enough for arranging this tour of our Houses of Parliament for Paul and Paulette. For weeks their excitement has been growing. You are a treasure, and a gentleman to boot. All of us who know you felt your absence last night.

      Thanks a million for taking the time to tell us about today! I’m so happy to hear how much they enjoyed it.

      • Baby

        Betty I lurked all day in small doses.. You looked absolutely stunning.. and I was so jealous so we are even.. It is always fun with the Bunkeroos.. whether with 1 or 100..

        It doesn’t matter. You guys looked fabulous and fun! Love baby..

    • ExCult.Jan


    • MissCandle

      This is also what christian fundamentalists think and teach their children, in my experience. How nice to grow up, get out of that tunnel mind set, and see how good a-thiests can be.

      • Missionary Kid

        Some christian fundamentalists have the idea that the “lost” ones should be treated with kindness and won back. I was one of those, who my father tried to bring back into the fold, even on his deathbed. It was annoying, but at least there was no hostility.

        • MissCandle

          No overt hostility towards nonbelievers in the brand that I was raised in either. However, there was a strong common knowledge that the truly good people are those who strive for heaven. They were very insular as well because it is better to be among like-minded people rather than “out in the world” with those who do not strive for heaven. In a sunday school class for two and three years old, they sing “on-ward christian soldiers marching off to war” with gun-toting hand movements to go along with the song. FWIW

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m trying to remember, but didn’t we have a conversation some time ago about your background. Was BIOLA or another fundamentalist college somehow involved?

            Yeah, the “like minded Christians” was a phrase that my father used often enough. The fact that I read science fiction didn’t please him because it was not Christian oriented, but, since he didn’t know much about the genre, he more or less tolerated it. One thing he did comment on was that it was unrealistic. My thought now is that the miracles in the bible were also unrealistic and phantasmagorical, and actually allegorical.

          • Missionary Kid

            When I get in a real nutty mood, I’ll get an earworm of “Onward, Christian Soldiers” or “Jesus loves me.” They ring through my mind with real irony as an atheist.

            To me, OCS represents the type of hostile Christianity that was exemplified by the Crusades and Oliver Cromwell that put those not of the right flavor of Christianity to death. It is, to me, unchristian.

            I used to like “Amazing Grace” until I really examined the words in it. After looking at the phrase, “saved a wretch like me”, I decided I really didn’t like the spirit of abnegation that it entailed. I do appreciate the spirit of forgiveness that it entails, and admission of past mistakes.

    • Juicer77

      Would you be around in November? I will be touring there and would love to say hello again. 🙂

      • Ever met an SP?

        I should think so; that would be lovely!

        • Juicer77

          🙂 If you feel comfortable, please email me at kurtjess77 (at) gmail (dot) com. I will give you the info. It will be nice to see you again!!

  • flyonthewall

    I know we’re all upset that Mr. Ingram seems to be living high on the hog and paying no price for his disgusting conduct destroying lives on behalf of the cult. What ever happened to karma, some are wondering? Even if he dies comfortably in his bed surrounded by loved ones and gets a really fancy funeral with a big monument while the people he crushed for the cult are left penniless and alone that doesn’t mean anyone has the right to force karma by desecrating his grave and/or corpse. Sure it would be fun to dig him up and play with his corpse like it was a puppet and dress him up in women’s clothes and make him mouth ridiculous things but that’s not what we’re about. The Bunker does not violate corpses, period. So just get that out of your head right now. Grave robbing.

    • Franklin Adams

      Ive always said after I die, I want the Imagineers at Disney to rig me up as an animatronic, so I can pop the lid off the casket and give everyone a Terminator 2 style thumbs up, during the middle of the Eulogy.

      I probably won’t be able to see it, but if I can, I’d just love to see the look on people’s faces. It’d be priceless.

      • flyonthewall

        sometimes I think about faking my death so I can see the nice eulogy post on the Bunker but then I would want to comment on it or email Tony with corrections and the jig would be up. That and my family would crushed.

        • Rasha

          Can you fake a sock death? I feel bad that you can’t experience the outpouring of niceness. I’d comment, fer sure.

          • flyonthewall

            sure but it’s just the sock dying and not you. Thanks Rasha, I appreciate that. You don’t have to go through the trouble of commenting though, a recommend click would be fine or even just some upvotes. I’d be happy with that

            • Rasha

              No, no…. this is important. At this very moment, Rasha is trying out some appropriate toasts, mainly focusing on the drink involved, and kind of attempting some moving words of tribute… hold on….. Ah, that’s not too bad… maybe more Grand Marnier….. Hmmm….

            • flyonthewall

              would it help if i stuck my tongue out to the side and rolled my eyes back like this??

            • Rasha

              “It is with fond memories and mirth that I look back on…. look ba… sorry. It is with ….. uhhhhh…. Um – HAHA! I recall the fun-filled days when Tony would post a story and Fly would…. would…. ack…. Ummm… I can’t help but…. ” Okay! Stop! …. No, you’re right. That’s just gross.

            • flyonthewall

              willw hewp hew, I fink I thtuck!

            • Rasha

              *grabs Bunker defibrillator*

            • flyonthewall

              I’M GOOD I’M GOOD! haha…eee…just a little joke there

            • Rasha

              …..gently places paddles down….. backs away……

            • Baby

              White man speak with forked tongue!

        • Cedilla
      • Newiga


      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        That’s a great idea. True story- when I was in the Army, I went to a funeral at Arlington. I didn’t know the gentleman who had passed away, but my XO had served with him previously and the guy was a bit of a legend for both being a competent field commander, but a real son of a bitch, rotten human being otherwise. He was apparently so bad, that there weren’t volunteers to be pallbearers and he had apparently demanded that they be soldiers, and all Arlington had available were Marines, so someone rounded up a burial detail from Ft. Belvoir.

        It was December and there was an early ice storm that year in DC. You can probably already tell where this is going. Arlington usually suspends burials in the winter time since the ground freezes over (I know this because Grandpa McCringleberry waited in an ice box for three months before we could get him in the ground there). This guy was important enough that they didn’t postpone his burial like normal, and generally the ground isn’t rock hard in December except for this one year. If you’ve ever been to Arlington Cemetery, it’s very hilly, or really just one giant hillside with winding streets that go up in a sort of switchback pattern until you get to the mansion and Kennedy’s tomb and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the top. Our dearly departed Colonel was going about two thirds of the way up, under a tree at a bend in the road. I came very close to eating shit just getting out of the car in my dress blues and somebody stuck an umbrella in my hand and I got an older lady to escort (a sister or something, I suppose). Also, the guy had demanded a lead lined casket for some reason. The honor guard began to remove the coffin from the hearse parked on the side of the road. I’m in the grass with the relative and the umbrella against the hard sleet coming down.

        They got the coffin most all of the way out, and one of the last pallbearers went down hard. Then the guy across from him went down, then the edge of the coffin slid out the rest of the way from the hearse, and it was off to the races. The only pallbearers left standing were the first two, and they valiantly chased the coffin down the street. One got a hand on it and he went down as well. At Arlington, the streets are lined with short, concrete filled iron posts with chains between them. Down the hill, where the road bent, the coffin exited the roadway over the little stone curb and plowed full force into one of the posts. This caused the opposite end of the coffin to lift into the air where it popped open, spilling a bunch of cloth wrapped brick shaped objects and the body of a deceased colonel. When it finally came to rest, the body was sort of bent forward and leaning on the bottom half of the coffin lid, which didn’t come open. I’m still not sure what they mean when they say “lead lined coffin”, but what they had done there was basically take a bunch of bricks of lead, wrap them in cloth and place them around the perimeter of the inside of the coffin. The silence after the massive collision was deafening. Just the wind and the sounds of sleet hitting the trees. Luckily, I was just a bystander, because I had no idea what to do. I just stood there making sure sleet didn’t get on the lady. The silence seemed to go on forever. I remember that the guy’s visor had flown about five rows of graves and landed at the base of another tombstone. Eventually, we were all herded into the waiting cars and taken back to the building they have where everyone gathers pre- and post-funeral. I took off there before the shock wore off and it became funny and ended up laughing my ass off all the way home. The Major I had gone with stayed and said they eventually brought everyone back to the grave site and did their thing, but they had cleaned it up and the coffin was next to the grave.

        So, Karma can indeed catch up with you, even posthumously. . .

        • Franklin Adams

          I’ve heard some crazy stories out of guys that were in the Old Guard (My D&C was never good enough to even contemplate it though I’m tall enough), but this one’s a classic.

          I did have to do funeral detail a couple of times, once was in BCT and it was about the most sham detail I’ve ever had (and this is coming from a guy that got stuck on a sweep the sand and dress right dress the rocks detail because DIRNSA [General Hayden at the time] was supposedly coming to see the Brigade’s new building around the time that we moved into one of Brooke’s old outbuildings at Fort Sam, and the sod hadn’t been laid yet). The General never showed up, but it was a break from processing security paperwork, so I guess there was that.

          Anyway, the same kind of thing happened with a demand for Soldiers. Usually Shaw AFB does funerals in the Columbia area due to TRADOC being, well, TRADOC. It started going tragically wrong from about the beginning. The “color guard” had been through the gas chamber that morning, its usually a red phase thing but for some reason we didn’t do it until about the end of white phase, and I dunno about your cycle, but they didn’t let us shower or even change uniforms afterward. DS asks for five volunteers for something but only wants people who aren’t waiting for chapters which is kind of odd, but I think nothing of it and since I was a squad leader I stick my hand up, because leadership. I get picked and so do another four people. We get told to draw our berets, and I’m thinking “Oh shit, we’re probably doing a funeral colorguard”. And right I was. SC ARNG was doing the pallbearing part, but they didn’t have enough people to do colorguard too for whatever reason. So they got us, a bunch of trainees who looked like giant bag of smashed ass. Why they didn’t get students from the Chaplain school, some of the babysitters from 120th Reception, Ordnance students from 187th, or AG/Finance AIT students from 369th I’ll never know.

          Anyway, the ACU which we were one of the first cycles to be issued at CIIP, has a really bad tendency to retain CS (god forbid that anyone ever attacks us using for real CW, nobody’s gonna make it) , and as you likely know, if you start sweating it reactivates. We didn’t change into our Class A’s which we had just been issued a week before also for some unknown reason. Well, we have the widow crying her eyes out, and it looked like the color guard is doing the same because it was about 100 degrees out at about 2 PM in July, and the CS started reactivating, which only made her start freaking out worse.

          Right about the same time the woman’s getting hysterical and the chaplain there is trying to calm her down, along with the post commander, I hear something sounding like meat hitting a concrete slab, and glance over to my left, where one of the riflemen has passed out from locking his knees, hit the ground face first, busted out a couple of teeth and has blood shooting everywhere out of his head, mouth and nose, including on my boots, and onto the female holding the post flag which immediately causes her to pass out, sanguiphobe probably. I hope she wasn’t planning on being a medic, because I remember he passing out again when we were doing IVs a couple weeks later.

          About then, the CS was really hitting me, so I’m coughing up a lung and doing my damnedest to make sure the US Flag doesn’t start toppling over and I wind up coughing so hard I puked, and the jerk from the vomiting sends me straight on my ass (flag didn’t touch the ground though). That’s about the time that the other rifleman whacked the guy holding the Army flag and the mass of streamers that carrying it entails in the back of the head with the barrel of his M14, sending him sprawling face first into an inconveniently placed tombstone from the 1880’s. The guy doing the whacking was prior service and had reenlisted in the Army Reserve, he’d been a 68W while he was Regular Army so I think I he figured he was going to go render aid while forgetting he had an M14 in his hands. It must have been the most pathetic sight in the world. I’m amazed we didn’t give the widow a heart attack.

          On the ride back to the Post and the TMC for the three injuries, all the Army Reserve Drill Sergeant from 94th had to say was “I don’t even fucking know what to say to ya’ll, I’ve never seen anything like that. I’ve been in the Army for 30 years, and a Drill Sergeant every summer for the past 15, and nothing like that has ever happened with me around. I don’t even know how to take that out of your asses”. The Battalion Commander, who had just come from S&T at 1SFOD-D, thought it was hilarious in the fucked up way that Delta tends to see the world, and our company commander said one word to us, “Really?”

          Its probably the only time in Army history that the entire color guard outside of a combat zone except for one person wound up injured or otherwise on the ground and I think the Brigade and Post CSMs that were there blew veins in their foreheads, Sergeants Major being the walking, talking embodiment of everything-thats-right in the Army. Nobody from my battalion ever did a colorguard detail after that during my cycle and probably for some time afterward, but somehow it didn’t wind up in the paper.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m probably misquoting Heinlein from Glory Road, who was quoting someone else, but the bit goes that military tactical organization is made up of 3 Departments: Practical Jokes, Dirty Tricks, and, staffed by one elderly female GS-9 clerk, the Fairy Godmother Department.

            • Franklin Adams

              That GS-9’s got an assistant that we call the Good Idea Fairy. Unlike the Fairy Godmother, the GIF is not someone you want to see, as she and Sergeant Major Safety are in collusion to make every Enlistedman’s life miserable with pointless dumb bullshit.

              A few examples courtesy of SFC John Holmes, a retired NY ARNG Artilleryman.


            • Missionary Kid

              I’d put your Good Idea Fairy under the Dirty Tricks department. 😀

    • Jimmy3

      So what am I supposed to do with my brand new grave-digging shovel then? That’s all it does. Dig and re-dig graves. I mean, I suppose it could be used to shovel pig shit into a bucket, but I really don’t want to void the warranty with unapproved uses here.

      • flyonthewall

        you could dig up Earle Cooley! He’s been dead for awhile but you could make his skull into a pencil holder or something

        • Jimmy3

          No way. Dead or alive, I don’t trust that guy with my pencils.

      • Franklin Adams

        If we find where Jimmy Hoffa’s buried we could probably make some money.

    • Rasha

      …wait. I have to wait ’til he’s dead to do all that??? Pfft!

      • flyonthewall

        Of course not! You could slip him a mickey, come up behind him and knock him out with a pipe, the possibilities are endless really.

        • Rasha

          Hmm… all I have is some gravel and a sweatsoc– hey………….

          • flyonthewall


        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          Just buy him a CosbyColada and make sure there’s plenty of ice in the bath tub. . . too soon?

        • With a wrench in the study?

    • Baby

      speak for yourself Fly…

      • flyonthewall

        that’s just some legal mumbo jumbo, no one is expected to take it seriously

        • Baby

          wink wink

        • daisy

          Oh in that case , if he were dried right he might make a nice pelt for winter.

          • flyonthewall

            now you’re getting it

  • Phil McKraken

    In related news about massively corrupt police officials doing the bidding of Scientology, former L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca is trying to avoid a jail sentence with an Alzheimer’s diagnosis.

  • Robert Eckert

    OT: Pokemon Go has removed for re-tweaking features that players relied on to find nearby critters. A disgruntled player uses a familiar meme to respond,

    • Rasha


    • Jimmy3

      The pawprint meter worked about as well as auditing away the gay ever did.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Yikes! Here’s the “Children’s Playroom” in the basement of the new Harlem Ideal Org. This is was passes for “Ideal” childcare in the CO$… 🙁

    • Rasha

      How else with they learn of “TAR”???

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Wog kids get ART but clam kids get TAR. Thank you LRH!

        • just another guy out there

          Or a RAT if they’re dyslexic.

        • IT’s worse than that, black children get TAR. It’s like Hubbard’s racist-ass flew down from Target 2 to rearranged them.

    • Chee Chalker

      In the second photo someone has misspelled Terl as ‘Tarl’

      Silly kids…..get some clay stat!

      • Baby

        Chee.. Great job over at Marty’s.. Man.. He has lost it.. He was so disrespectful to you and many others and showed his true colors.

        Of course I was going to comment, but he would have given me the same.. It wouldn’t have been worth it. It’s Oracle’s Blog now.. But anyway, I was proud of you. xo baby

        • Chee Chalker

          Thank you, that is nice of you to say! I wish I had saved my post where he said I used sewer language. I didn’t. I have never used vulgarity and did not with him.
          I merely pointed out that he referred to some of his posters as ‘weak and downtrodden.’. Funny, most of those ‘weak and downtrodden’ posters are women.

          And now, IMO, he one of those people who, because he is married to a person of color, accuses of racism. The moderators of esmb are like the Klan? WTH?

          The sad thing is I think he scours the blogs for mention of his name.
          Then he acts a certain way and accuses everyone of calling him out…. i.e. ‘crazy’ ‘paranoid’ etc.

          It’s too bad though. He could have made a much larger contribution to the downfall of DM, IMO. But for whatever reason, he is reversing course. Or changing course at least.

          As far as Oracle, she has some pretty eclectic music taste, so I do enjoy some of the videos she posts. What they have to do with the topic at hand is beyond my ken!
          I think a lot of what she is trying to say does not come across in a post and it can be difficult to follow. Whether or not that is intentional is a mystery!

          • jazzlover

            I was going to say that you handled yourself well there too. Unfortunately, it ends up being a huge waste of time. Some of the folks there just need to be unhappy, and that’s my final answer 🙂

          • Baby

            I swear to God when he was talkin to you I wanted to reach through my computer and ( I won’t finish ..because he’ll say we are threatening him..ugh)

            I have posted there before the Rue shit.. but forget it..

            You are right ..He had more to give.. Oracle is Oracle. He has posters over there that would take a bullet for him that’s for sure..

            Yep ESMB is taking a beating too.. Wow. I have always been a fan of yours, but your post took it to a new level…because he came at you hard and you went back.. xox baby

            • Ella Raitch

              ESMB is giving it back, mostly in the lulz department. I can’t will myself to even read any more. Total train wreck.

          • Franklin Adams

            He likely uses a custom Google Alert with his name, whenever someone uses it somewhere Google’s indexing, he’ll get a notification. There are a lot of narcissists out there who do the same.

            • ExCult.Jan


    • Baby

      I have more ” Stuff ” for my grandkids when they visit. Good Lord.. Bleh.. and the colors they used.. ugh..Children need stimulation.. and colors and toys..and more toys..
      SPEND YOUR F*CKIN $ DM.. Here is a Damn Playroom.. f5

      • Rasha

        Rasha’s playroom is messier, but yeah, color, shapes, sound, texture, everything…..

        • Observer

          How many nailguns?

          • Rasha

            A few, but only one that includes tracers. That’s for special occasions….

        • OOkpik

          Including Rasha….lucky kids!

          • Rasha


      • Intergalactic Walrus

        But little meat bodies just love playing with old office chairs! Don’t they? 😉

        • Baby

          First thing I noticed Wally.. I swear to God.. they don’t have the sense that Xenu gave them.

      • flyonthewall

        From Child Dianetics

        ” It is not surprising that children seem to be similar to psychotics and schizophrenics. The child may play that he is a butterfly, a horse, a box – almost anything. His imagination runs rampant and as a result he looks, in the creation of some of his fantasies, much like a psychotic”

        • Baby

          Fun Times.. What an asshole ( Him not you) You are our fly..

          • flyonthewall

            it’s ok, I can be an asshole sometimes

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          “It is not surprising that cult leaders seem to be similar to psychotics and
          schizophrenics. The cult leader may play that he is a nuclear physicist, a war hero, a buddah – almost anything. His imagination runs rampant and as a result he
          looks, in the creation of some of his fantasies, much like a psychotic.”

          • flyonthewall


    • Observer

      It reflects Lafayette’s love of children.

      “If you can tell the difference between a lot of little kids you run into, and psychos, I’ll give you a medal.” – L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor’s Bulletin Nr. 119 “The Big Auditing Problem”, 1.9.1958.

      btw, this link is to a fairly deep analysis of what Hubs declared about children and what kind of damage following his edicts caused them:

      • Liberated

        I always think of the many young people that took their own lives, but of course it was their own fault. Yeah it’s normal for a smart young kid with so much ahead of them to kill themselves.
        I get sick every time I think about it.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Thanks for the link, Obs. I was catching up on Rinder’s blog today and saw the post about the 10 year old doing the purif. Involving the kids in this bullshit always pisses me off.

    • OOkpik

      This really sucks but kids would hardly notice if they had bright, creative, inspiring supervision from people who love kids and wouldn’t cram Scientology indoctrination down their throats.
      This room and everything in it says they will be getting nothing of the kind. It’s a sad comment on what Scientology thinks of kids.

    • I think they had the same wall sign stuff in the org in Texas where that loon drove in.

    • Oh no, no, no that does not spell out “tar” up on that shelf. That and it has all the appeal of a store room.

      • scottmercer

        Would “rat” be more fitting?

  • aegerprimo

    It’s time to check out Co$ bad press for July. Click on your favorite/preferred ex-Scientology chat forum to view the list…


    Church of Scientology Negative Publicity Collection – 2016

    ESMB – Ex-Scientology Message Board

    WWP – Why We Protest

    OCMB – Operation Clambake Message Board

    RFTTP – Reaching For The Tipping Point,12976.msg36944.html#msg36944

    ESK – Ex-Scientology Kids

    • Panopea Abrupta

      I love that you take the trouble to do this.
      And I realize that it is an ever more onerous task
      as the storm clouds gather over DM’s pompadoured
      vacuous vicious head.
      I and many others appreciate it.
      Love you, AP,

      • Rasha

        Hear, hear!

      • daisy

        Even better than your normal genius prose.

      • aegerprimo

        Thank you Pan Ab!
        I love you too. ♥

    • Baby

      Thanks aeg.. You are such a hard worker.. the pictures and this.. and I am a bum .. xox baby

      • aegerprimo

        I strive to be a bum. I wanna be like you when I grow up. ♥

        • Baby

          Hahaha.. ♥ Well in my next life I want to come back as you! So we are even! xo

          • aegerprimo

            Just don’t join a cult okay? ☺

            • Baby

              Just the Bunker..hahahaa

  • Susan black

    Many readers are now planning their much needed vacations. I recommend a slow drive from the top of Baja California Norte down to the tip of Baja California Sur. it’s about a thousand miles on a mostly two lane highway that goes thru the middle of the strangest high desert cactus and succulent forest you’ll ever see. Then there’s the small fishing towns along the sea of Cortez. The camping’s great and so are the locals you’ll meet along the way. Can’t fit that in? Then just fly directly down to Cabo. Go party. Go nuts. And be sure to give a shout out to El Jefe from the bunkerues….please.

    • iampissed

      I’ve done the drive 3 times one of the last great drives. Cabo is OK I guess…maybe, it’s what is between San Diego and Cabo that is magical.

      • Susan black

        I’m with you..skip the cities and tourist enclaves. Baja has the wild beauty and ruggedness of California, but without the millions of people, buildings, cars, freeways and pollution. I miss it.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Oh my! This guy thinks that the “evil psychs” are dangerous but apparently this laptop he has rigged up in his car is not. SMH

    • Rasha

      sooo…. he drives until he finds public, unsecured wi-fi, and then files a complaint against a psychiatrist? This guy is at cause. Is that a motion detector on his dashboard??? You don’t want THAT in your vehicle…. unless that’s where you live, of course, in which case, it all make sense. Git up that Bridge, Buddy!

    • flyonthewall

      that way if he sees a psych while he’s driving down the street he can report them immediately…and then crash into pole

      • Never play Psychiatrist Go while driving!

        • Rasha

          Gotta File A Complaint Against ‘Em All®

          • Rasha’s on fire!

            • Rasha

              Hehe! Just thought RMycroft’s comment was really funny! ^_^

            • Me too!

  • Observer


    Which Miscavige minion has the deadest eyes?


    • Rasha

      …and what’s with the hair???

      • Rasha

        …for the record, I LUV Max Headroom. I s’pose that’s what pisses me off about the hair.

        • Franklin Adams

          Reminds me of one of my favorite signal jamming/hijacking stories out of chicago. Quite possibly one of the weirdest things in broadcasting history and one of only a few incidents like that that were not state sponsored.

          There’s apparently a user on reddit who thinks he knows who it was too.

          And yeah, I miss Max Headroom. First cyberpunk media I ever really got into thanks to old tapes of the show.

          • Rasha

            I know this! Most bizarre!

            Max was really ahead of his time (well, 15 minutes into the future). The series was short, but it was thoughtful and creative. And darn it, Matt Frewer was so good!!!!

          • “Old tapes” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! #iwatcheditnewomigodimsoold

            • Franklin Adams

              Well it was around 1993 or so, so its honestly not all that much better.

    • flyonthewall

      Bob is my favorite minion

      • Rasha

        Rasha can’t decide…..

        • flyonthewall


          • Vaquera
            • flyonthewall

              Twin Peaks!

            • Vaquera

              Winner, winner!

            • flyonthewall

              *claps* now, where’s my chicken dinner??

            • Vaquera

              Heating up the deep fat fryer now.

            • Ben Franklin

              Twin Cheeks

            • Rasha

              Sirius “Bob” Black… close?

            • Rasha


            • Vaquera

              Killer Bob from Twin Peaks.

            • Rasha

              …he was in Azkaban? ….are you sure?

            • Vaquera

              Sirius, yes. Killer Bob, no.

            • Rasha

              …now I gotta re-read the whole series….. back in a bit……..

          • Lucille Austero

            Mine is Kevin.

          • Rasha

            ….Rasha is still decidin– oh! Yes, of course! It’s Bob! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Yes. Yes, it is… (reaches for still-active defibrillator….)

    • daisy

      I think we must all agree it is not blinky, hers are alive and seizuring as we speak. Since he looks like he has been embalmed , this is an easy call. She is still in for the most maniacal though.

    • Jenny Griffith


      • Observer

        Crazy Eyes Corea

    • Jimmy3

      Too Much Blink vs. Not Enough Clink

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      Definitely her. She actually pretended to have an intact soul. Deep in there somewhere, she hates herself. She’s been privy to a bunch of gory details from behind the scenes, has facilitated wicked people getting away with wicked things, and buries it all under a pile of money. They’ve probably got a nice blackmail file on her too, so they can keep her in line. DM has almost certainly made her participate in some sort of fraud or money laundering scheme, from which she’s profited handsomely and can therefore never come clean without dragging herself down as well.

      Ingram, on the other hand, sleeps the sleep of the innocent. He never had any use for the standard moral and ethical restraints that most people at least pretend to follow. The guy looks like he’s having a grand old time, and he probably is. He’s one of those people that sees a flawed system, and then learns to game it for his own ends. He’s almost certainly pretty high on the sociopathy spectrum (she’s on it too, but not as high), and definitely doesn’t give a shit about anything (beyond the spot he’s carved out for himself, and probably his immediate family) he’s ever done to feather his nest.

  • Hamtaro

    I left this out of my previous comment, because I had forgotten about it: my first ex-wife calls. We’d already been divorced for 18 years, but very amicably. Hadn’t spoken in at least 10 years. She’s remarried, living in another state, but to the best of my remembrance this is how her phone message goes: “Ham, what’s up? This guy Eugene Ingram called today and wanted to know a bunch of very personal shit about you. I kept trying to get him off the phone but he was quite persistent. Told me he was affiliated with law enforcement, so I thought it was something official. He asked me if you engaged in perverse sexual practices. Are you in some kind of trouble? Do you need my help? If so, call me back, I’m here for you.”

    The next time Scientology prints one of those “what your donations buy” brochures, they should be sure to include harassing phone calls to relatives of ex-members.

    • flyonthewall

      it is impossible to commit overts against an SP!

    • Bavarian Rage

      Why were you targeted so relentlessly? What precipitated this unwanted attention?

  • Jenny Griffith

    OT- Lee Baca withdrew his guilty plea and is going to trial. I wonder if he will be using scientology’s attorneys.

    • studentsfirst

      and perhaps have david miscavige serve as a character witness, or better yet both Shelley and David. Oh yeah, she’s indisposed at the moment (and for the last many many years) – but doing just fine according to the LAPD. Hey Baca, Where’s Shelley?

    • Yes, I hope he gets the same judge.

  • I heard this name while on staff (AOLA 77-96). No detail of course. Like Moxen – I remember routing him on to his Solo crs and useing traing awards he’d earned at ASHO but some Executive gave him OK to use at AO. What scum that hangs around that church. Kudos to the PIs that hoped onto the right side (Ron Miscavages and one of Martys) May there be many more 1st hand reports.

    • Sorry about typos. My 1st comment since using only my phone starting 7/22 – learning finally after waking up enough from the brainwashing 🙂

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      Bert Leahy, the PI involved with Marty, truly did the right thing. He got creeped out by what he was being asked to do, realized that he’d been hired under false pretenses, then took the high road when the scheme became apparent. That’s a good dude.

      The Ron Miscavige guys, however, followed the old rule of “Its Only Illegal if You Get Caught”. While we benefited from their disclosures, they got nailed and coughed up any and every name and connection they had in order to ingratiate themselves with prosecutors. Scumbag is as scumbag does.

      • sizzle8

        For the record, Bert’s a videographer and not a PI.

        • Oh that’s right. Well he’s a good guy. I agree the Ron PIs fessed up for only their own good. And yes, CHM, ‘Its not illegal if you don’t get caught’ thats how OSA thinks and LRonCon. I prefer the Bob Dylan “To live outside the law you must be honest’. DM OSA et all will never qualify. The’ll all be rounded up and caught some day 🙂

      • villagedianne

        Bert Leahy was not a PI himself, he was a videographer who was hired by Scientology PI Dave Lubow of the Squirrel Busters.. Leahy gave up a good payday when he realized he was not shooting a doc as he had been told, but participating in a sleazy surveillance operation.

  • flyonthewall

    I’m going to tell Tony on you that you’re gaslighting me. You’re going to be in big trouble

    • daisy

      He is not going to pay your bill no matter how you explain it.

    • daisy

      So pornhub is a real site and now the comment is gone and I have no proof to show why I was looking ? Thanx J3.

    • Cedilla

      Tony who?

      • Ben Franklin

        Tony Soprano

  • Tom Klemesrud

    What was that 1982 newspaper leak that had to be plugged?

    • No big stories broke in 1982, so maybe they plugged it?

      Some internal details were trickling soon in 1983:

      Ministry of Fear January 24, 1983, John Saar, People

      Mystery of the Vanished Ruler January 31, 1983, TIME Magazine

    • sizzle8

      This is an exerpt from Marty’s book ‘Memoirs of a Scn Warrior’ about Ingram’s start,

      “The only church attorney who had previously worked with investigators was Bob Harris. Harris had worked with the GO for years on the colossal tax trial over the mother church’s (Church of Scientology of California) tax years 1970 through 1972. It was the huge, pending test case that all concerned figured would determine whether the church of Scientology would ever attain tax exemption. Bob was once a fairly prominent and successful criminal defense attorney in Los Angeles. For the past few years he had pretty much moved in to church premises, working full time on the all-consuming ’70-ʼ72 case. That trial went on for several few-weeks stints over two years. Bob told me of the best private investigator, pound for pound, he had ever worked with. According to Harris, Eugene “Gene” Ingram was a former Los Angeles Police Department street cop. Using his street smarts, better-than-average intelligence, and brash, aggressive style, he had worked overtime as an officer defense representative before the LAPD Board of Rights – where internal affairs charges would be aired out in mini trials. Ingram was so effective in securing acquittals of charged officers that he became not only a thorn in the side of the notoriously corrupt LAPD Internal Affairs Division, but also of the to-become-infamous Chief of Police, Daryl Gates. Harris told me that if we were going up against the FBI and US Department of Justice, we would be hard pressed to find anyone as qualified or as trustworthy for the job as Gene.

      I met with Gene. I was immediately struck by his intelligence, healthy suspicion of bureaucratic authority, and engaging personality. Gene was in his late thirties, wore a neatly-coifed pompadour, and had tanned skin and large, brown, alert eyes. He spoke with police-business-like precision. He almost always wore neat, stylish suits and ties. I questioned Gene about his dismissal from the LAPD. Gene said that after he produced a string of acquittals of cops that Gates had sorely wanted dismissed, he began receiving anonymous death threats. In the middle of one of the biggest, most hotly-contest internal Board of Rights cases he had ever defended, personal disaster struck. While alone on a late-night call to a remote section of LA, he was shot in the back of the neck with a sniper’s bullet. He showed me a huge round entry scar on the back of his neck, millimeters from his spine. While he was recovering, Gene was indicted by a Los Angeles County Grand Jury on ten counts of trumped up pimping and pandering charges. Working with Harris and another criminal defense lawyer who often worked with Gene on Board of Rights cases, they attained an acquittal by a jury on all charges. He handed me a series of articles in the Los Angeles Times that chronicled and corroborated much of his story.

      Gene was a breath of fresh air, in that he could think with conspiracy theories. After all, he had lived conspiracies and almost died because of conspiracies. I did not have to convince him that there could be corruption within such august institutions as the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI – he was already convinced there was.

      After extensive briefing on all details of the case, Gene flew to Boston. He reported in that he had ingratiated himself with the secretary of the president of the Bank of New England. He sweet talked his way in to see the president by giving the impression that he might be working for interests inimical to Hubbard’s and ASI’s. Once in the office, Gene asked some hard questions about the bank’s violations of its own policies as to customer loyalty and security with respect to Hubbard. He was rapidly shown the door. We learned from Ingram’s first Boston trip that in fact Hubbard’s bank was playing ball with Flynn and the DOJ – while treating Hubbard and ASI with suspicion. Miscavige was pleased with the result and entertained by the details of Gene’s tactics. From then on I would be required to come give Miscavige daily, face-to-face briefings on the progress of the investigation. That led to also debriefing on other legal and public relations matters. From May 1982 forward, Miscavige bypassed my nominal superiors altogether, and I became his primary source of information for matters external to the church, and for relay and execution of his orders into the church relating to such matters.

      Miscavige had an obsession with what we came to term “the check case.” It had served as the anchor for the probate petition by Dewolf and Flynn. It was the one current, hard allegation that may have influenced the judge not to simply dismiss out of hand the otherwise stale, sordid allegations. In late 1983, after Flynn began using his defeat as a victory, claiming that it proved Hubbard’s intimate involvement with church management – and thus his availability for service of process and relevance for depositions – Miscavige became all the more obsessed with proving that it was Flynn and the DOJ that set up the check case themselves, for purposes of dragging Hubbard out into public.”

      (approx May 1982)

      • villagedianne

        Interesting. If the above is true, Ingram may have had a beef against government agencies. But IIRC his activities on behalf of Scientology went beyond the scope of “government corruption,” and into harassing individuals who were not involved with government monitoring of Scientology.

      • And nobody wondered, even for a moment, why they had to hire mercenaries to do this kind of thing when their ‘advanced’ Scientology ‘training’ should have enabled them to be so much more effective.

      • Insouciante

        Except Gene was sniper shot while off duty, driving his car to do some target shooting at the
        Police Academy in Elysian Park–outside the Hollywood Division territory.

        His intent, according to LAPD investigators, was to accuse the cop(s) that supposedly knew where he was going that day.

        In just this one case–I’m sure–Marty Rathbun is less than truthful.

        • RMHolb

          He was on duty in a city car. Again, I was at the scene. . . . . I

      • Tom Klemesrud

        Subject: How Scientology uses LAPD

        On the front page of the Los Angeles Times, 08/21/93,
        the story about how Walter Ray Bentley Jr. was caught providing
        information from police computer records to Private Investigator
        Dan Sullivan, a former LAPD Deputy Chief of Warner Center
        Investigations, Woodland Hills, CA. According to the
        allegations, Sullivan would page Bentley, a 22 year department
        veteran, and Bentley would search private LAPD records. In these
        private LAPD records are what somebody might be suspected of–no
        substantiated evidence, but just suspicions put there by Coppers
        cut from the cloth of former Chief of Police Daryl Gates, and
        Scientology PI Eugene Martin Ingram. Bentley was also provided
        the records of suspicion to Thomas Whitetaker Investigations of
        of Granada Hills.

        In practice, LAPD is so loose with their records of suspicion,
        potential employers use private investigators, or LAPD friends to
        conduct research of potential employees.

        Gene Ingram to me February 17,1984: “As a licensed private
        investigator, I can ask anyone who knows you, any question.
        For example, I can go to your employer and ask any question I like.”

        (For example, what do you know about such-and-such being a
        child molester? Have you heard anything like that?”)

        Gene Ingram: “I have a lot of friends at the LAPD.”

        Ingram proved this when he used the help of the LAPD to perform a
        sting on a IRS Criminal Investigations operation, that Daryl Gates
        had to personally apologize for.

        How Scientology uses their friends at the LAPD to “utterly
        destroy” you, (Elron’s fair game policy), is to plant suspicions
        of nefarious activity rumors IN your LAPD “confidential file.”
        This information is so readily available–as shown in
        1993 LA Times article, that you are “dead-agented”, and
        your “reputation diminished as to cause your financial ruin.”

        Of course, the City of Los Angeles can get the shit sued out of
        them from these activities, and will, but the damage of LA’s
        number 1 criminal cult is already done to whomever the cult
        considers their enemy.

        [This article was posted in the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology
        on 8/22/93 by Jerry Ladd, me, a full year before the start of the
        OSA copyright stings on internet service providers]

      • RMHolb

        Bull. Gene was fired after a kidnapped prostitute connected him to pimps he trained to look like officers. IAD found Marijuana in his locker. He left and was found shot. I was at the scene. While unproven, likely self inflicted. And there was no trial, lack of evidence. Etc.

  • So much irony.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Goodnight Bunker.

    • daisy

      Night, night EE. Hope you had a good day.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      G’night Boss.

  • Snippy_X

    • chukicita

      ^^love this.

      • Snippy_X

        me too 😀

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Living in corrupt Cabo I’m sure he is protected by the police. You get a special card and the your officer pal writes a special note on it. The higher up the cop the more trouble you can can avoid. Yes, even murder according to a guy who’s hid out there for close to twenty years. The first couple years he even got a valid Mexican ID even though he’d refused to try to learn the language. Eventually he did become a fluent speaker, married a local girl and had a son. He never was able to attend his parent’s funeral’s but they still left him a large real estate fortune. I don’t know how he did it but he was able to get a friend to keep collecting the rents and send him the money. One time he asked me if I wanted to make”Big Money” taking weed across the border for 10 grand. I laughed and said “First of all no amount of cash would make me risk doing time.” He then mumbled something about how stupid I was and and I just laughed. Back in the late 80’s it was a great deal of money but some weeks I made that much. Last time I was in Mexico he’d move to Ixtapa in a rather opulent condo with his wife. After all this time he’d never tell me his crime but the word was it was an armored car robbery and someone got killed. I’ve looked him up and can’t seem any info him being wanted, yet I’m sure Jose is not his first name. Because when his wife yells at him she calls him Jack.

  • Fink Jonas

    Scientology is a criminal organization isn’t it?

    • Franklin Adams

      The most ethical criminal organization on the planet. Dontcha forget it.

  • Gus_Cox

    What a turd.

  • Lady Squash

    Nice guy, that Ingram. Ick…

  • randomity

    They let some reporters in the Harlem org to meet a Mr. Polite.
    Too bad they didn’t stay long enough to meet Ms. Disagreeable.

  • I’m not here!

    • What’sup

      Me neither.

      • OOkpik

        Who turned the lights off?
        Wasn’t me. I’m not here either.

        • YellowSubmarine

          Hah, found you! You guys really have to work on your game

          • OOkpik

            Hilarious! 😀

          • What’sup

            That’s not me, judging by the height, I think that’s Miscavige.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Good morning Bunker.

  • Bert Allen

    Ingram tried to serve me with a subpoena at both my work and home several times, but I avoided service each time. I wasn’t afraid to be deposed, I just liked thwarting the COS by avoiding service. It bothers me a little that his children are in law enforcement. Hopefully, they don’t take after their father.

  • Gene Ingram stalked and harassed me for years.

    One memory of mine about Ingram is when he attended a Cult Awareness Network conference in California in the early 1990s as a Scientology operative. He tried to provoke me several times. Once he yelled insults at a Roman Catholic priest walking by me and insinuated that the priest was a homosexual. The same priest, who was an anti-cult activist, later left the priesthood to marry and start a family. Ingram never cared about the accuracy of his claims or reporting as long as his Scientology handlers were happy.

    I confronted Ingram after that shameless incident and told him, “Once you were a Los Angeles policeman, then you were a pimp (reference to Ingram’s vice cop days and related departure from the LAPD amidst scandal) and now you are Scientology’s whore. Gene you are going down in the world.” At that point Ingram flew into a rage and was escorted away by security.

    Ingram has no moral compass and only money seemed to motivate him. He apparently didn’t care whether his actions violated his oath as a police officer and had no qualms about working for Scientology despite its reputation as a “cult.” Ingram made hundreds of thousands of dollars going after people like me, Gerry Armstrong, Cult Awareness Network Executive Directors Cynthia Kisser and Priscilla Coates. Gene Ingram has no conscience about this and it appears from the photos that he made enough money to retire in style.

    Contrast Ingram’s twisted life and ethics with the humbleness of Gerry Armstrong and his disregard of financial gain.

    It’s sick to see a snake like Ingram live a life of wealth and relative luxury from the profits he made hurting people. But there it is, life is not always fair and sometimes, as Ingram demonstrates, damn unfair.

    • Mockingbird

      Thank you so much for saying this. The Scientology cult is seen as quirky and a joke to curious outsiders. But to people who are in Scientology or speak out against it it’s definitely harmful and sometimes deadly. I hope people learn how Scientology has attacked many good people like Paulette Cooper, Jon Atack, Gerry Armstrong, Margaret Singer and yourself.

      It may be bizarre but it’s not a harmless quirky religion. It’s a destructive cult. It destroys its own members, their families and anyone who dares to tell the truth about it. I was in for twenty-five years and at one time someone in the same org as me was going to the media. I was assumed to be that person and a campaign to ruin me utterly by driving me to madness or suicide was undertaken.

      At the time as a very loyal Scientologist I was unaware and extremely vulnerable emotionally to the efforts of the cult as I believed they knew what was best for me. I had blind faith and zealous loyalty to Scientology.

      Thanks to a several year effort that has included a lot of research on what Scientology really is and what cults really do I have escaped the cult. Your book Cults Inside Out was a tremendous help for me and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants a solid thorough source for virtually everything relevant on cults and the research and references to consult on cults. I have put up reviews on Amazon and other places.

      A whole curriculum on cultic studies can be built from the materials you describe in great detail in your book. It covers Scientology quite well in several chapters and aspects of cults many other books leave out too. It covers other cults for comparison and successful and unsuccessful interventions.

      • Thank you. I am sorry for the hurt and harm Scientology did in your life.

        IMO Scientology does deliberately blind people so that they cannot see or comprehend the manipulation and exploitation being done to them and their families.

        • Mockingbird

          Thanks. I feel the efforts of people like yourself, Margaret Singer, Robert Jay Lifton, Jon Atack and many others like Tony Ortega millions of people will avoid joining cults and many others will be able to recover. It’s a great public service our governments should support.

          • Thanks. I think what could be done through classes in critical thinking that encourage people to reflect and critically analyze things before moving forward. In this way the course would not be critical of any particular group, but rather give students the tools to make better decisions. It should be a required course.

            • Mockingbird

              Interesting. Ideas like learning Socratic debate and how to take both sides in issues are good. Looking at information that confirms and disagrees with your own views is important and obviously forbidden in cults.

              I think it’s terrible that basic logic, rhetoric and the simplest propaganda techniques and ideas about influence aren’t mandatory in education.

              Just a few books like Influence by Cialdini and Age of Propaganda could help millions of people. Dr. Richard Paul and. Dr. Linda Elder made very good basic courses for critical thinking. Their work could be used probably from fifth grade on to prepare students too.

              If I had read about thirty or forty books before entering Scientology I would have never walked into an org. Honestly even just one right book would’ve been enough.

            • A critical thinking course would include Cialdini, Edgar Schein, Lifton, etc. Nothing group specific, but an examination of persuasion and influence techniques combined with tools for analysis.

            • Mockingbird

              Excellent, you read have a good idea.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you, Rick, for all you have and are doing.

      • Thanks. It’s been a long haul, more than thirty years and counting. But exposing Scientology and scumbags like Ingram has had its rewards. Those rewards may not buy me a bar in Mexico, but they matter and have done some good.

  • richelieu jr

    Tony, have you ever considered taking a page from MIller’s book and putting the transcrip§s (or recordings) of all of your complete interviews online?

    I know it is a bit like letting someone rifle through your underwear drawer and diaries, but given your omnipresence, access, and simple longevity in the field alone, I think it could be a treasure trove for researchers and contain gems of which even you might be unaware… Not to mention a sort of ‘How to’ from a trailblazer between the ‘old journalism’ and this new economic model..

    Love you or hate you, your career trajectory is quite unique (and what a beard!)

    Just sayin’ (wipes drool from side of mouth..)

    I know this will be noted by certain OSA goons and Scilon Warriors (Sticks and Stones..) as pure GREAT TONY ORTEGA ass-licking, but then again, they can start sticking their OTVIII lickers out towards my own nutty scilon sack…

  • JJ

    Somewhere along the line Scientology The Church morphed into Scientology the mafia-esque fiefdom. In general cult speak it is beyond just proselytizing to the brainwashed, this is a slick, money laundering operation cloaking itself as a cult, pretending to be a religion. No wonder it is so interesting. And damaging.

  • John Prince

    It’s amazing what Balls this sleazy SHITBAG has, showing off his ill-gotten rewards from co$ dirty money on the Internet! Wouldn’t suprise me to hear one or more of his victims paid him a visit down there and settled up with the Bastard

    • FredEX2

      John, I don’t think this creep Ingram is in danger of his victims. He’s a man who ‘knows too much’ and is more in danger of those he worked for…and with….all these years. Imagine how much ‘stuff’, details, specific names, etc. he knows about all of the corrupt & criminal dealings of his ‘friends’ in both high and low places. And he looks like someone who would crack and spill the beans eventually if put under enough pressure…or threatened or given enough incentive…

      Ingram has the goods on COB and CoS and every person involved in just about all of their nefarious dealings. He knows where all the bodies are buried…He knows just about all it would take to ruin them utterly. He may have been a danger to others in his prime…but now he’s more a danger to himself for all he knows and could be forced to tell. There might be a hundred people who have reasons to want to shut him up,…and a hundred ways to make it look like an ‘accident’. By the looks of things posted all over social media about his Cantina…and pics that reveal a lot more than he may realize,…names, faces…places….it appears he’s become too relaxed and complacent with information…about himself and others…and just bc he’s now in Mexico, doesn’t mean he’s entirely ‘safe’…

      I wonder how he sleeps at night? Not just bc of all the destruction and crimes he committed against others…I don’t think he has a conscience or really cares….but bc he ‘knows too much’ about his dirty friends…and he KNOWS he knows too much…and THEY know he knows too much…and there’s no where that’s really safe from all that catching up with him eventually.

      • John Prince

        We can only hope, Baby!

      • John Prince

        Can’t we offer Xenu a sacrafice to make this happen? My Super-DOOPER-Wog powers tell me
        Ol’ Xenu’s pretty pissed off at this ballsy motherf*#ker !

  • Kid Kat

    El Jefe my eye. More like grand poobah of upper buttcrack.

  • CobGatYour$$

    Tony, I know him, his wife, have lived in Cabo for many years, hell, I could tell you stories of him and Regina. I myself, just found out he owned HE bar, from a stylist in LA who dated one of his sons. I arrived to Cabo in 1990 and they had the only ATV rentals. They were always thought of being slimy, and she was rumored to have been a pros he busted.