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CLEARWATER DONE DEAL — Couple seeks big crowd for Scientology ‘disconnection’ billboard

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After the readers of this website once again came through for former Scientologists Phil and Willie Jones, contributing several thousand dollars for another “Call Me” billboard to raise awareness of Scientology’s “disconnection” policy, the Las Vegas couple are announcing that they have signed a contract for a billboard in Clearwater, Florida.

On July 21, the new billboard will be dedicated, and Phil wanted us to announce the news so he can get the biggest crowd possible.

“Willie and I are putting up one of our ‘Call Me’ billboards in Clearwater and will be heading out there for a few days for the official launch. We definitely would love to see any and all Clearwater people there. The billboard launch is on July 21 at 11am. I’ll announce the exact location shortly. This is the next major step in our campaign to bring awareness to Scientology’s toxic practice of enforced disconnection. This message represents all those who have suffered the abuse of Scientology disconnection. Let’s work to end this horrible practice,” he says.

We pointed out to Phil that on two separate occasions when he announced news of contracts being signed for his first billboard, in Los Angeles, Scientology managed to pressure those companies, who each rescinded their agreements.

Phil signed a third contract with Lamar Media, and didn’t ask us to announce the news until the billboard was actually posted in Echo Park.

Despite that experience in L.A., Phil says he wanted the public to know that he’s signed a contract in Clearwater so people can plan to be at the dedication ceremony.

“It’s very likely Scientology already knows when and where the billboard is happening,” Phil tells us. “It is a risk but at this point I think it’s one we should take. We want as big a crowd as we can get.”

 
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If it’s Russia, it must be a raid on Scientology

 
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We’re getting a lot of excited emails about stories that have appeared in the Guardian and elsewhere about yet another set of raids by Russian authorities on the Moscow Scientology org and others, such as in St. Petersburg.

We’ve lost count how many times the Moscow office has been raided. Scientology staff there must be getting pretty used to it by now.

Our translators tell us that according to Russian media, the FSB, successor to the KGB, conducted searches at 14 locations in St. Petersburg, Moscow and other areas. In St. Petersburg, 10 people were detained for questioning. In Moscow, meanwhile, exits to the building were blocked and Scientologists were required to give their identification details before leaving. The raids were part of a criminal investigation of Scientology’s practices after it was found that a businesswoman named Ekaterina Zaborskih had defrauded investors of 130 million rubles (about $2 million) in bogus real estate deals and had funneled some of the money to the Church of Scientology.

Russian law describes Scientology as a “totalitarian sect,” and since 2012 some written works by L. Ron Hubbard have been banned as extremist literature. After recent raids, it was clear that law enforcement was focusing on the way Scientology gathers information about its members — through hidden cameras, for example — and sends that information to the U.S.

Scientology’s Moscow spokeswoman, Natalya Aleksandrovna Alekseeva, issued the following statement:

The church of Scientology in Moscow marked 22 years of official registration, while St. Petersburg scientologists have been practicing their religion for 30 years in the Northern capital. Somebody in our country doesn’t like this and gives a command to the law enforcement authorities to break doors and ruin clean and beautiful buildings of the Church of Scientology in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities. Today, law enforcement authorities broke into the Scientology churches as if equipped for war, the very law enforcement authorities that are supported through our taxes. In the beginning the staff and parishioners of Scientology did not understand what happened, they were upset by the position of the investigative authorities of Moscow and Saint Petersburg who decided to demonstrate their “might” over law-abiding citizens, by stopping the services and the giving of help to parishioners. Our parishioners work for the betterment of our country, actively participate in educational anti-drug campaign, thanks to which many thousands of young people and teenagers refuse to take drugs. Hundreds of young people volunteers participate in the cleaning of the streets, parks and public gardens. This is just a small part of what we do for our country. It remains a mystery why somebody is using law enforcement authorities to try to stop this useful work for society. The management of the Church of Scientology is confident that the current situation was created with the purpose to “score points” in the fight with religious minorities. After all, it’s easier to fight with law abiding peaceful citizens than with terrorists, and easier than uncovering corrupt officials – the real enemies of the people.

What’s becoming clear, our experts tell us, is that President Vladimir Putin wants Scientology out of Russia. But on the other side, Scientology leader David Miscavige has found in Russia a steady stream of new recruits to help staff his faltering facilities in the US, particularly the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida. And our experts tell us that Scientology has a special appeal for Russians because they associate it with America and Hollywood.

While it’s refreshing to hear Scientology described in the Russian media as a destructive business masquerading as a religion — because it’s true — Putin’s heavy-handed methods have run afoul of the European Court of Human Rights in the past, which has sided with Scientology.

We’re going to go out on a limb and make a prediction for what’s coming for Scientology in Russia: More raids.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 22, 2016 at 07:00

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  • David Arum

    How much longer can Scientology hold out in Russia.

    • Kay

      As long as it takes them to get visas for every Russian member to go to the U.S. and be DM’s newest slaves here.

      • ze moo

        And they’ll get emergency visas as they are victims of religious bigotry.

  • Kay

    Hey you Scions in Clearwater !!! HahahahahHAHAHa We’re coming to a Billboard near you !!

  • randomity

    DM will go over and handle that Russia problem personally once he stops laughing at their out ethics incompetence.

  • TexasBroad

    First and foremost, I hope CallMe – Clearwater moves some Scientologists to question disconnection but I also hope it will cause a little stir in the non-scientology Clearwater community as well. I’m sure they’ve all been safe-pointed to within an inch of their lives – it will be good to inform or remind one and all what goes on in their friendly neighborhood “church”
    I would give anything to be there Phil and Willie, but can only be there in spirit. I hope you draw a huge crowd and a lot of media attention!

    • Missionary Kid

      You can bet that there will be a shitstorm. $cientology isn’t smart enough to leave well enough alone. I hope Phil & Willie are safe.

    • OOkpik

      “- it will be good to inform or remind one and all what goes on in their friendly neighborhood “church”
      Bingo!
      The LA Philboard will make another grand entrance at the same time to reinvigorate the press there as well. Good times! The gofundme for that is only $1,435 shy of the goal for a significant extension too.
      https://www.gofundme.com/reconnectingfamily

      Party time!

  • Vaquera

    Does anyone have the 411 on Tony’s Inside Edition appearance?
    Will it be aired today?
    If so, has anyone seen it?
    If so, links?
    Will someone volunteer to come hook up my cable box?
    (I thought I had it under control but the channels haven’t loaded yet and I’m an impatient Vaquera.)

    • TexasBroad

      http://www.insideedition.com/listings
      Link to find channels and times in your state. It’s on now where I am, but I’m at work without a TV so I am missing the story if it airs today.

      • Vaquera

        It was on 45 minutes ago (4-4:30 EST) and will be again at 7:30.
        Add: for the moment I don’t have access.

        add: I’m not implying that TO’s interview will necessarily be included in tonight’s broadcast.

        • Snippy_X

          Thx V

  • Ever met an SP?

    In Soviet Russia, Scientology raid you! Oh wait, that happened in the USA too, circa 1973.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    O/T: Erika Christensen had her baby. Generation #3. [le sigh]
    http://celebritybabies.people.com/2016/06/22/erika-christensen-welcomes-daughter-shane/

    • Sherbet

      I hope she screamed her head off during labor and delivery. And I hope her doctor yelled, “PUSH!” at about a bazillion decibels at the same time. Birth engrams, bah!

      • TexasBroad

        I hope someone yelled BLOW

        • flyonthewall

          that’s called the hooker engram

          • TexasBroad

            That made me laugh harder than it should have. 🙂

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Heh heh heh…Scientology would have you think babies are like souffles–one loud move and the whole thing deflates, and you have to start over.

        • Sherbet

          That’s so funny, the way you put it!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Thanks. Having never baked a souffle or a baby, this analogy was kind of a stab in the dark.

            • Sherbet

              You could have fooled me.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I have baked a quiche and rescued nursing kittens. So…close enough for horseshoes and hand granades, I guess (as my grandma never used to say but someone in my family did I just can’t remember who).

            • flyonthewall

              you never baked baby? Man, you don’t know what you’re missing, that’s good eatin’!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Whole Foods is always out of them. I only eat organic baby.

        • shasha40

          What an analogy !!! hilarious !!!

  • Dice ✓

    Meme the Cat is considering her next move

    • Snippy_X

      diabolical

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Woe to be the poor mouse just out of frame…

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Catnip rave or world domination. The decisions are endless.

      • Dice ✓

        I think it’s World domination. She got that stuff in her 🙂 Last night (2am) she had to take down the old Alley Cat so i had to go down and save him 🙂

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I want her on my side in a gang fight. LOL

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      She’s a beauty!

      • Dice ✓

        She can be nasty too F5

        • Cupcakes for Breakfast

          Hahaha! I’m in love!

    • BlueHeronBay

      Hello, Meme. Nice to see you in the Bunker. ML, Moxie <3 (F5)

      • Dice ✓

        Heloou Moxie…

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Violet also says hello. Or she would if she had the time for such pleasantries. She does not. (F5)

          • BlueHeronBay

            Hello, Violet. Yay for mini-panthers!

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Meme is saying: What am I doing with my life? Chasing mice all night and sleeping all day. I wanted to be a Broadway dancer, dammit!

      • Squash your dreams cat, become a Scientologist!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          They will only go for cans that have cat food in them.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Or tuna – which is often used as cat food.

            • Dice ✓

              it oddly loves Cambell’s Soup! hmm… Should take her to a Cat therapist!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Soup is cheaper than cat food, so why waste money on getting her off it?

            • Dice ✓

              rumor has it, that LRH was using Cambell’s soup cans in the beginning of the e-meter

      • Dice ✓

        she is extremely wealthy.. she holds all my BitCoins in her Chip!

    • JJ

      Easy…shut the door= I want out, open the door= I don’t want out I will just stand here and contemplate…

      • Pro-tip: cat door.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Magnetic cat door. Otherwise, you may end up with unwelcome guests.

          • Even with a magnetic cat door, I assure you you will have unwelcome guests.
            I can attest to this, because I in fact, broke my foot chasing my cat who had brought in a rodent, which was still alive.
            Actually, I’m not sure which I was chasing, The rodent, or the cat.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yes, well, there is always the chance the cats will bring dinner in with them. Actually, I had a cat who was the unwelcome guest herself. She would use a neighbor’s cat door and play Goldilocks in her house. I loved that cat but she made me no friends.

            • That’s funny .

    • Sherbet

      “Next move” nothing. She’s considering her next coup d’etat. Cats rule.

    • She just likes to make you hold the door for her.

      • Dice ✓

        haha true!

        • I know.
          Believe me, I know.
          That’s why I got a cat door.
          Got sick of the manipulation.

          • Dice ✓

            This is the front door to my tool shop – but where we live i have cat doors in almost every doors, even the kitchen has a cat door . he he… i learned the hard way.

        • Cats apparently are unique in that the breeds don’t mix in the offspring.
          In other words, you won’t see one that’s part tabby and part black.
          Its always one or the other.

    • sashiebgood

      well, since her surgery she can’t go out for fun with boy cats, so I’m guessing world domination.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Hope Hicks, PR manager for The Donald, is not also another name for his supporters.
    T. “Hopeless” Rex will be replacing Karin Puow in a similar role for the “Church” of $cientology.

    DM, a most violent bum,
    Followed Ron, lover of rum
    Being a creep
    Fleecing sheep
    Burying crap in titanium

    Wanna take a free test?
    Give your mind a rest?
    Lost your chum?
    Feeling glum?
    We’ll spend all your MEST

    $tats for bodies in the shop are in affluence in St. Petersburg.
    Arrest and interrogation stats are also up.
    This trend is predicted to continue to rise in that and other jurisdictions.

    The Beta-test version of the E-Meter:

    • That would be a good rap.

    • Liberated

      Ringo, alright!

  • aegerprimo

    Does anyone have a link to Shorpy’s YouTube channel? Thanx!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “Declining” Harlem? Nice to know what some clams think of the future neighbors. No wonder this grand opening is taking forever, I wonder if they even have enough staff.
    (refresh)

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      The Tone Scale apparently makes you tone deaf.

  • Oh man 99% of Periscope is crap, but I was just hanging out with George Clinton in his car in Vegas.

    • aegerprimo

      Please link me to your YouTube channel. I spent my whole weekend following HowdyCon here at the Bunker, and on Twitter, and uploading pics to my Flickr… I know you are uploading copies of the periscope stream to your YouTube channel, but for some reason I cannot find your channel.
      Lox plox. Thank you!

  • JJ

    Gah, just figured this out from last post. The ” take a pic and we’ll pay you ” is a rip on the billboard isn’t it? If they were not such a buttoned down, paranoid, fundamentalist sect they might actually come up with ideas of their own…And so far as I know the billboard didn’t have to scam for people imagery…

  • pilgrim

    Update on a story about Joseph Chait with an interesting twist. Sounds like he would rather go to a real prison than remain in the clutches of the CofS.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3654775/Auctioneer-gets-year-U-S-prison-ivory-rhino-horn-smuggling.html

    He also said that in a “weird way,” he was grateful for the criminal case because it “has allowed me to break the chains of my upbringing.”

    • JJ

      That’s…telling….

      • pilgrim

        Isn’t it? 🙂 And the comment from the attorney was interesting also.

        His attorney, Judith Germano, had asked the judge for a sentence of community service. She said that Chait risked being cut off from his family, which raised him in the Church of Scientology, by cooperating with prosecutors.

        • JJ

          Hmn…prison,Scientology, prison, Scientology…and even worse, the food is probably comparable…

          You stand a better chance of escaping from the church if you are incarcerated?

          So I guess there are not yet Scientology gangs in prisons?…

          • HabuFan

            Which makes me wonder what you have against prison food.

            • JJ

              Wouldn’t have till i saw a youtube bit describing something call nutri loaf? I think they were trying to make non incarcerated people eat it.

              Imagine DM noshing on that. It makes beans and rice seem positively gourmet.

            • sashiebgood

              don’t give him any ideas! if it costs less than rice and beans, he probably would consider it!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    The generosity of some clams is truly awe inspiring. Not! SMH
    (refresh)

    • Observer

      WTF?

      • Sherbet

        I started rolling my eyes when I read “He kind of bumped into present time…” Who talks like that in the real (non-sci) world??

        • JJ

          I’ve been avoiding bumping into the present since 1987.

          • Sherbet

            So you’re posting from a Tandy computer with 5K of memory?

    • HTC

      Head shaking,,,

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      What a douche nozzle.

    • jazzlover

      That’s some despicable shit. Toying with the less fortunate and then bragging about it? Let’s all help humanity like that!

    • Supper Powers

      And THIS is Scientology, folks.

    • JaxNGold

      Almost couldn’t upvote this. What an arrogant pile of shit. Asking a homeless person for money and acting like s/he did him a favor by giving him some chips?? “He kind of bumped into present time..” Seriously, I’d like to punch this asshole right in the face.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, but it was a “big” bag of chips, Jax! SMH
        I was “this close” to leaving his name on there. Apparently he is a recovery auditor for the CO$.
        And I usually don’t include the replies but these are incredible too. UGH!!!!

    • shasha40

      Wow , COS saving humanity by taking from the less fortunate … Fellow clams see it as a win . Wtf ???

    • Nutbag chips.

    • FredEX2

      Never ceases to amaze me the kind of people we share this world with. So this Scientologist thought they were doing the homeless guy a favor by bumming a quarter off him and then handing him a half empty little bag of chips. Chips of course being so healthy…anyway…so this Scilon ‘philanthropist’ then brags about their incredible ‘generosity’ on Facebook. Really?

      Please God, let me live somewhere out in the Fjords far away from any trace of these bizarre Scilons and never come across this kind of person…ever again…..~What an arrogant unenlightened Jack-donkey.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      So she took his money, bought a bag of chips, then ate some of the chips and gave him a scoop of them out of the bag and took the rest?

      They’re so fucking charitable, I could vomit. Who takes a homeless persons money and then acts like she’s doing him a favor? Only in Scientology would this be something to brag about. SMFH

    • Joe

      I’m confused, is the person claiming they bought a few things including a big bag of chips for just a quarter? If not, why did they need the quarter?

      • lynn

        most likely had $20 in his pocket…he asked for the .25 so that the homeless person would
        feel good about having the “exchange”…a quarter for a few chips.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Reason = LRH’s bullsh*t tech.
        See “exchanges” Am I right, exes?

        • Ms.P

          Yes, you are right.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      P.S. Tweeted this out. People should know the arrogance these people walk around with in their delusion. They may act kind to your face but their prison of belief makes them believe you’re nothing but a lowly wog who needs Scientology to be up to their level. It’s time for some high horses to start bucking these folks off.

  • JJ

    Um point for point it is about equal but between Putin and Miscavige. I am gonna say Putin will take this one. I doubt he would have any trouble killing people to maintain his oligarchy. Really the Russian mob versus LRH’s little let’s fix our brains trust…No contest.

  • Jeb Burton

    I hope this billboard is downtown. If it is on US19 it will still raise interest, but wont by seen by the drones. Putin vs Scientology, who do you root for? I think these raids will be a huge fundraiser for DM. Help Scientology overcome religious bigotry. The citizens of Russia will be attracted to the cult because they are against Putin. Although Putin and DM could be best friends as they treat their minions the same way.

    • shasha40

      How dare you insult minions like that !!! Lol

    • JJ

      Can see the sumptuous meals served in elegant state dinning room, cigarette smoke billowing, self congratulatory nods and pats about being self made, self important big beings lording it over the monkeys and laughing all the way to the Swiss bank…

  • JaxNGold

    Huge congrats to Phil & Willie!! Let the CO$ pull their shit. Doesn’t matter. If they pay off or intimidate another billboard company, it will get reported like the last two times and they’ll once again prove that everything we say about their tactics is true. People in Clearwater are probably so effing tired of $cientology, considering how they have their little creepy mecca down there. So let them try to fight it. This billboard will go up — with the current company or another.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Actually, Lamar (the Los Angeles Billboard) is the same company that Scientology uses for it’s Dianutics billboards and because of this Lamar has no choice but to run anti-Scientology Billboards otherwise it becomes a free speech issue. [EDIT: Shopry is probably right, I think it’s more of discrimination issue then one of free speech]

      • I don’t think so.
        The Constitution applies to the state.
        Absent statutes. And they are woefully absent.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Nope. I’m not sure it it’s the constitution but A company can’t deny access to one religious group and allow another. It becomes discrimination. Like, can billy’s roller rink allow a christian church to rent it’s facilities and then deny renting the same facilities out to a Jewish Synagogue? Or even an atheist group??

          • I’ll step aside and let you do the research on that.

    • sashiebgood

      I think it would be harder now for Scn to pull their crap with the billboard companies in any area, considering all the press coverage the first billboard has gotten. Now, the “mainstream media” will be more willing to listen to Phil and Willie when they say that Scn is trying to block the posting of a new one.

      • Ms.P

        Sashie, you’re forgetting that DM can’t help but make a fool of himself. Remember it’s always attack never defend.

        • sashiebgood

          True, but then he’d make an utter fool of himself (or actually “Karin Pouw” would) on national television/news. which would be amazing.

  • JJ

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629275/Scientology-s-50million-Hollywood-studio-opens-religion-promises-reach-virtually-person-Earth.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    And the tag line… “Miscavige told a crowd of ten thousand that the religion was going to re-write history.”

    Oh Jesus not again… With what he is doing to the “gospel of Hubbard I can only imagine what he will do with the Magna Carta. The Declaration of Independence. The United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. The JC Penny catalog. Bastard!

    • How telling, inadvertently.
      “Re-write history”.

  • HTC
    • Oh Lord, funniest thing ever.
      Tried to save failed.

      • HTC

        The true story of every cat I’ve ever owned.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Dear gods. I’m in tears. Hilarious.

  • JJ

    Still readin actircle.

    “The average young adult (ie girls and boys 1992) spends ten hours a day on the internet, and someone searches for the meaning of life every five seconds while somebody else searches for spirituality every six seconds…”

    Dude, you’d make more money if you bought the word boobs, made it intellectual property and owned every avenue online to access said content. And “spiritual boob” would probably naturally always lead to a Scientology site, just for pure Boolean.

    • You’re pissing up a rope.
      But thanks for your efforts.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Finally, I have an excuse to post this song.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7M3EEHYkJ0

        • JJ

          Damn it she’s a keeper!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Eh, I’m sick of her mouth and her 2% milk.

            • on your knees you big booty bitch…

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Context, my friend, or people will just think you’re being mean.

              Also, you can wash my balls with a warm wet rag.

            • And these were, and are, the absolute best Nashville musicians ever.
              Charlie McCoy, for one.
              I guess people can google if they wish.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yeah, like you said above, I honestly doubt they knew what they were getting into.

            • Yeah, the way tracks are laid down.
              But I “sell”, and describe this album as the album that all these guys always secretly wanted to make. And believe that they were in on it.
              Much like “Everybodys fucking but me” by Durwood Douche.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGwVsvseGw

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              That is so many kinds of wrong it’s almost perfect.

            • Absolutely the best studio musicians on the west coast at the time.
              Had a thread about this before,
              And I actually talked to his daughter in an attempt to find out the identity of the singer.
              It remains a mystery.

            • And being ultimate pros, but not rich, they can and will do almost anything.
              I saw an interview with Charlie McCoy about when he was asked if he could play like Bob Dylan, for a Bob Dylan album.
              I’ll let you fill in the blank on that.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Meaning that he played on a Dylan album uncredited? I confess, Dylan’s a musical blind spot for me. I appreciate his cultural importance during a certain era, but with the exception of a few records, I have little interest in him.

            • Charlie gets a credit on Nashville skyline and John Wesley Harding, maybe others.

            • You know what?
              I enjoy getting them washed more that the other.

            • “Context, my friend, or people will just think you’re being mean.”
              I’m afraid its too late for that.

            • If one doesn’t gasp in horror when listening to “Mr. Richard Smoker” they aren’t paying attention.
              Because of the indelicate nature of the subject, I shall refrain from further explanation.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yeah…Ween’s an acquired taste. Ono Yoker is a great rhyme, though.

            • And what’s amazing about them, among many other things, is that every album is completely different.
              This one has absolutely no relation to any of their others.
              Yet, there is a common theme.
              Each one will literally take your breath away with its outrageousness.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              And they really are straight-up excellent musicians.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              To bring this sorta back on topic (a few degrees anyway), they did that song for the South Park Chef-Aid episode. And Isaac Hayes did guest vocals.

            • I actually quoted some of the lyrics for a black associate of mine, and yet, years later he still talks to me.
              Quite a tribute to his tolerance of me.

        • Oh shit, I don’t even have to listen to it.
          This Ween album is a must have.
          This one was recorded at “Bradley’s Barn”, where Patsy Cline recorded her best, and countless others, including Leon Russel’s “Hank Wilson’s Back” Vols. whatever..
          This used those same studio musicians, and I’m sure they didn’t know what they really were getting into.
          A top 10 must have album.
          As with all Ween albums, some of it is breathtaking in its obscenity and offensiveness.
          Which they countered by having a gay singer perform “Mister Richard Smoker” in their live performances.
          Now, get out of my brain.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Will do. It’s a little dusty in here, btw. You should do something about that.

            • Should be roomy though.
              There’s only one brain cell left.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Oh yeah. It did echo a little.

          • sundaygirl

            I met Ween in a bar about 15 years ago. Nice guys.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I never met them, but friends of mine did and said the same.

            • Oh hell yeah.
              Small world, here and there.

            • sundaygirl

              Little dive bar close to a small venue in a dirty part of town. Great place to meet lots of bands. Those were the days, for sure.

            • What days were they?

            • sundaygirl

              The 90s were my “those days”.

        • If everyone here doesn’t listen to this song, they have missed out on something special and wonderful and magic.

      • coonellie

        I haven’t heard that phrase since I was a kid. One of my stepdads loved it.

  • JJ

    Would SNN Scientology Network News be like a cross between Star Trek (apologize) and Christian Broadcast Network circa 1988?

  • daisy

    For the last 4 or 5 days most times when I upvote the page jumps up. I can be writing something and it will switch to some random persons profile. The rest of the internet seems fine . The computer itself seems to still be functional. Is anyone else having trouble ?

    • JJ

      That is bizarre. is it curser location?

      • daisy

        You haven’t met me yet I am computer illiterate and do not know what a curser location is. If you are talking about the mouse being accurate , it is .

        • JJ

          Yeah, me too, here is my term: the pointy thing that points out the things you want to click on…

        • MissCandle

          I am so computer illiterate that I assumed I was the jumpy problem and never thought to consider it might be disqus. Thanks for your illumination.

        • Liberated

          I use a touch screen, so I always just blame my stupid finger.
          Girl, you don’t know from illiterate.

        • OOkpik

          In this case the cursor is the little arrow or hand that you use to point at things and it’s location is, well, its location which you located….or something. 🙂

          ETA: This comment was for JJ but at this point, I’m tempted to blame the misplacement on diqus in retaliation for its glitchingness.

          • Kestrel

            Well, if my experience is like daisy’s, I position the cursor over the ‘upvote’ to express my pleasure/agreement with a comment, and the screen jumps, or I get a random commenter’s Disqus profile.

            • OOkpik

              Exactly!

    • Snippy_X

      Yes! Thought it was just me. Very annoying.

    • Sherbet

      Me. It’s driving me nuts.

      • coonellie

        Driving you? 😉

        • Sherbet

          Hey, there coonellie. VERY funny. 😉

    • pluvo

      That happened to me too.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Yep. Really annoying. And on my phone, my upvotes don’t always save.

    • OOkpik

      Yes. It’s very frustrating and has been going on for days now. Others have mentioned it too. It’s disqus being disqus.
      eta; I am also regularly blocked from my account for a brief time.

      • daisy

        Thank heavens I thought the mouse was drinking again. I had an intervention when it started upvoting Fly , J3. and Johnny Tank.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          So suddenly I’m part of the brat pack? And to think I was going to adopt you as my new favourite aunt. Oh well, guess I’ll have to go through all the applications again.

    • MissCandle

      Me too.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      It’s your boozy breath making your computer drunk 😉

      • daisy

        LOL

      • daisy

        See down thread a couple of comments.

    • April

      It’s been doing it to me too. I suspect it’s just Disqus acting goofy.

    • If I access the comments on a tablet, the poor thing often just runs out of browser memory (a few thousand comments need a lot of memory) and I have to reload the page. The same might go for a very old computer, or one whose software needs reinstalling.

      When it’s in this state it gets a bit erratic and delays occur. You might be selecting an on the screen where the profile link was and, when the device goes to it after a delay, you don’t associate the two actions.

      Refreshing the page now and again keeps this phenomenon at bay.

      • daisy

        Thank you. I do refresh often . I also have been shutting down the computer every couple of hours. From the responses I don’t think it is user error now.

      • OOkpik

        I have had that happen on a tired, old computer, but this glitch has been happening on my newish computer that is fast has a lot of memory. It did not happen when there were over 3,200 comments in one day so I maintain that the source of the problem is disqus.

        • Fair enough.

          I have never had any problems on a PC with maxed-out memory running Linux and Firefox, so the problem might be intermittent or confined to certain combinations of browser/operating systems.

    • jazzlover

      I can also confirm that it’s been happening to me for the last 3 or 4 days. I’ve seen others mention it as well. Worry, Daisy. You’re not drunk yet 😉

      • daisy

        OH yes I am.

        • jazzlover

          LOL. Pass the hooch then.

    • pixie dust

      Same here, Daisy.

    • Robert Eckert

      It has happened to me also, and others have remarked on it. It is a general Disqus hiccup, probably means they “upgraded” the code recently to fix some bug and introduced a new one.

      • Baby

        Mr. Robert Eckert.. My buddy My dear friend. I kept going back to you to give you a hug.. I just really love and respect you. We talked about the fact that we are usually on the same page. You were one of the first to welcome me to the Bunker. I was so scared to post.

        You are just a decent human being with a deep belief that injustices need to be corrected. I am glad that you are on my team… love baby

        • Robert Eckert

          awww shucks *blushes*

          • Baby

            xo I meant every word..

  • JJ

    paranoia inducing, but you know they watch the sites that comment on them..why wouldn’t they try fiddling with them…

  • JJ

    Sad thing is if Scientology execs are privy to all the talk and analysis of these web sites all the snarky commentary, gossip and in depth reviews of their bone headed behaviors, why don’t they adapt and learn anything, ever?

    I can understand obfuscate and deny and neh neh neh neh neh nehh but is looking like an absolute moron really helpful to a sect?

    • As this point in Scientology’s decline, when recruitment is at a standstill, they don’t care what they look like to us, or to the general public for that matter.

      All they worry about is keeping members on-side. This means keeping the them away from sites like this altogether, and assuring then that the stuff that we find so ridiculous is actually brilliantly clever and insightful.

      • JJ

        Egads, what a depressing thought. And that it is an implanted thought…

    • shasha40

      COS where making sense of it just hurts your brain. .. 🙂 You are not aone .

  • UhLasare

    Question – if we see a comment in reply to someone, but can’t see the name of the op, or the op itself, I guess that means the op had blocked us?

    • Who said that?

      • UhLasare

        Nobody, I’m just wondering why I can’t see the name of the poster someone was replying to, or the post they were replying to. Noticed for the first time today, and disqus just introduced blocking. Not sure why someone would block me, though.

        • OOkpik

          Chances are that disqus just hasn’t gotten around to such details. It’s a regular occurrence and doesn’t mean that anyone is blocked. If they are blocked, you will know it.

    • MM

      What you’re describing is most likely a special case of the oft-mentioned Disqus ‘disappearing comments’ bug, where one of the ‘lost’ comments was a thread op, and with the op missing the now-orphaned replies’ headers render as ‘in reply to no one’ (screen name + arrow + bullet + timestamp). The ‘bug fix’ for this, as with most Disqus hiccups, is to re-load the page.

      As for Disqus ‘blocking’, it doesn’t prevent someone you have blocked from seeing your posts – it rather hides comments by someone you have blocked from you. Think of it as a “Mute” button 🙂

      • UhLasare

        Ah, thank you. Disqus being weird – I can believe it.

  • daisy

    ET says Katie Holmes and Jamie Fox are dating.

    • JJ

      I think that means your computer modem in three months slow… Fox and Holmes has been off and on I think for a bit.

      • daisy

        Yeah it was just confirmed by somebody , that’s all.

        • JJ

          Oh.

      • jazzlover

        Holes? Freudian slip?

        • JJ

          Very I just caught that AND I have nothing against the woman!

          • jazzlover

            Neither do I, but I don’t see her as quite the “hero” that others see her as.

            • JJ

              No just young, in love at the time and maybe a bit dim?

            • jazzlover

              A bit? She was in love with an image, and got caught up in it all. Good for her that she eventually figured out it wasn’t going to be a fairy-tale life.

            • JJ

              Young and if you have had a relatively good childhood maybe you don’t think to…think…?

            • jazzlover

              There could be many reasons for that. Hopefully, she learned her lesson. In the meantime, give me a call when she decides to test her acting chops.

            • JJ

              There’s that but I feel like a jerk to mention it, but if someone isn’t a great actor it just…is…

            • jazzlover

              The only reason I mention it is this: I don’t know her personally, so the only thing I have to go on is “show me some acting skills”. Of course, not every actor has them equally, but ultimately, it’s what actors are judged on. That’s not to say that she would automatically be a horrible person if it turns out that she has just enough to get by. It wouldn’t be a bad thing for her to challenge herself more consistently. Who knows? She may unleash that inner star 🙂

        • JJ

          Just went off on a psych tangent…let’s see what we can do with Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs from a Scientology or DM perspective…

          • Hubbard and Miscavige’s hierarchy of needs begin and end with the need for other people’s money.

            Unconditional positive donations are very important, too.

          • JJ

            Miscavige’s Hierarchy of Needs

            —————— Hair
            ————– Arrogance
            ———— Absolute Control
            ——— Air in lungs for screaming
            —— Gullible Minions, L.R.H (C)
            —– World Domination, L.R.H Tech
            —- Dogs, Guns, Sexual Gratification
            — Worthy, In-Line, Sleep Deprived Staff
            –Nice Clothes, Cigarettes, Alcohol, Kobe Beef
            MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

  • JJ

    whats the op?

    • UhLasare

      If referring to my post below, op means “original post” or “original poster”. If you’re referring to something else, I can’t see it. 😀

      • JJ

        I think that is what it is. I thought it had something to do with originator like the person making the blog

  • Liberated

    Inside Edition is on, but Tony’s not.
    Maybe tomorrow ?

    • jazzlover

      I just checked. It airs a couple of times a day here in NY. The earlier one in the afternoon may be a re-airing of the previous evening’s episode? In the evening, it airs at 10:30 edt here. I have no idea about the way they do things, though.

      • Liberated

        I must investigate this further.

        • jazzlover

          Yeah, it’s never been on my “must see” list, so I don’t know how the network schedules its showings. I suppose Tony will fill us in at some point today.

  • daisy

    Kirstie is a grandmother. Oh the things she will teach him.

    • Liberated

      Oh no , gee do ya think that kid will be thrown into the “cadet org”?

      • jazzlover

        I never see this mentioned. Are Kirstie’s kids in? Would Parker sit by and just allow that?

        • Liberated

          Celebrity’s kids go by different rules. They’re never subjected to the horrific abuses that regular kids are.
          The only exception I know of are the 2 cruise kids, but that was at the school in Oregon, which is considered somewhat elite. Status is always determined by Money. Parents are rich, so rules change accordingly
          BTW, I’ve always kinda liked Parker S.–actually felt kinda bad for him. I bet he’s thrilled to have gotten away from Krustie. Ain’t she a doll?

          • jazzlover

            LOL. Was that a rhetorical question? I hope so 🙂

            Question: how can a school that barely teaches its student the essentials be considered elite?

            • JJ

              “exclusive” maybe. emphasis EX.

            • jazzlover

              I wouldn’t want to be that kind of exclusive 😉

            • Liberated

              They don’t think that way, they consider their school superior to any school in the world.
              Some students have gone on to successes, some Harvard, MIT, but most seem to sign up and continue their careers in Sheridan Oregon. Of course you never hear about students jumping to their deaths at MIT, and other suicides, it’s bad PR.
              I spent the summer of ’88 there, they really are that deluded and arrogant. The tuition is unbelievably expensive, and the 1st question I asked was “is this an accredited school?”. Oh, yes. Huge lie!

            • jazzlover

              I graduated from Stuyvesant High School in the late 70s. At the time, it was the best public secondary school in the US. So, let them be falsely arrogant.

            • Liberated

              Right, it was public school and I’m sure you received an excellent education. Only thing CO$ schools are not just schools, they are indoctrination tools for future cult addicted children. And boy do they make you feel intimidated if you decide it’s not for you. The sea org people would come a lot and reg these poor kids, the sad thing is their parents usually supported a life of cult continuation.

            • jazzlover

              I hear you, and I’m sorry you had to tolerate that. The only thing I was pointing out is that they have no clue about what the standards are for “best” in the real world. And yes, it’s only purpose was probably to be an incestuous recruitment tool. That’s why the basics like english, history and math are barely covered. If you ask me, that’s another crime in the whole scientology world.

            • Liberated

              I signed a finite contract, June – Aug. I looked at it as a new experience, if you sign up for the summer program my kid went for free. We had never been to that part of the world, and I look at that as a good thing.
              We went to Canada, wash state, and some fun stuff that we never would have had the opportunity to do any other way. I did a good job and realized this cult is not for me. The more I found out the truth my decision became so easy to make. I guess what I’m trying to say is I found out all by myself sci. is truly a horrible cult.
              And once I did I felt a tremendous sense of freedom. Some of these poor families lived their entire lives there, and always will. Some people I could not stand, and some were good decent folks. Oh well, life is determined by the choices we make.

            • jazzlover

              Thankfully, it sounds like you got out relatively unscathed compared to others. Congratulations. It probably could have been worse. The only addendum I’d add to what you said: sometimes our lives are determined by how we view choices we’ve made 🙂

        • daisy

          Yes they are in.I think Parker has been disconnected from his son a long time ago, My guess is this is news to him too.

          • jazzlover

            Just think – on national TV about 20 or 25 years ago, Kirstie was thanking Parker for giving her “the big one” 🙂

      • aegerprimo

        I hope not.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    OMG – this is horrifying. How big do the photos of LRH’s head have to get, before the clams finally run out the door screaming that they can’t take it anymore? Maybe if he had been a handsome man, but… DAMN!
    (refresh)

    • Sh00pZ

      Thank Target 2 his mouth is closed!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        LOL!

      • kemist

        If you want to gross out a dentist, show them a picture of this man smiling.

        I don’t understand how they could ever have recruited dentists.

    • JJ

      Till you can fall into his kind, mesmerizing eyes and know The Secrets of the Universe yourself….

  • aegerprimo

    New HowdyCon pics uploaded to my Flickr account.
    You need to see these!

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/

    I am so surprised the HowdyCon album now has just over 2000 views!

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/albums

    Not sure if that is 47x eleventy zillion or not !1111!11!

    • JJ

      Was an easy count of 5,986,473.

      • aegerprimo

        To the 47th power

    • Absolutely precious.
      Especially the ones of me.
      But seriously folk, here’s the deal.
      Everyone protests vehemently that they don’t want their picture taken, but love when they see them later.
      So could we just skip the first part and get on with it?

      • JJ

        I hate to say this but I am the opposite. I will say cheese then be like, never mind…I am not photogenic.

        • Not only do I not understand what you are saying, I don’t know why you would be sorry to say it.

      • aegerprimo

        Best pic EVER!
        And now Shorpy your selfie is forever on the Internet.

        • I take no “selfies”.
          I take, “other people will you take a picture for us” es.

        • THAT, I will have you know is what is known as “someone screen capped my livestream”.
          NOT a “selfie”.
          Please, learn to internet.

          • aegerprimo

            Sorry for my syntax.
            I know how to internet, and I’ve been ’round the block since a 14.4K modem and BBS.
            WTF.

            • I am not one to forgive or forget.

            • aegerprimo

              Okay.

    • Baby

      Aeger.. You absolutely amaze me.. Mac loved going through the photos .. He said.. ” You wore the same outfit .. ”

      I said.. ” I spilled red wine on my first outfit ..and it went downhill from then on.. ”

      I bought a beautiful dress to where on Sat. night dinner. .. It just wasn’t me. I’m like.. ” Who in the hell are you trying to impress.. ” hahhahaha..

      It’s the Bunker.. We Just show up.

      • aegerprimo

        And we go with the flow.

        • Baby

          YEP.. xo 2017 Denver Aeger..

    • Beth

      sooooooo great aeger. New ones that I love: Derek ‘auditing’ Baby, Tony and the Flyshark. But they are all wonderful. You really captured the Con. Just awesome.

    • daisy

      Thank you so much. I have been enjoying all the pics I seem to have lost the ability to save pictures, so this is so welcome.

    • flyonthewall

      it is

    • MissCandle

      You have more views than BE has amazon reviews.

  • JJ

    Big Brother is watching you. Maybe they can pray to it like the God image in Lucas’ THX-1138.

    • jazzlover

      “All planets of the solar federation – we have assumed control, we have assumed control, we have assumed control……….”

      • JJ

        It’s interesting we go back to go forward. When we think of space and time we get pulled back to the Greeks and ages when the naked eye and the mind was all we had between us and the wonder of the universe.

        • jazzlover

          What I find even more interesting is that all those writers we previously thought were just using their imaginations are looking more and more like prophets every day.

          • JJ

            God yes, Orwell and Asimov, Bradbury, Arthur C. Clark God help us (atheist)! Things that H.G Wells and Jules Verne dreamed become real as years go by…AMAZING.
            Some where some MIT drop out is probably trying to build a X Wing Fighter in his garage. Go for it!

            • jazzlover

              The were all lunatics, some were opium smoking lunatics who were constantly in an altered state. Maybe there’s something to be said for that 😉

              A couple of years ago, I had reason to read Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road”. All I can say is that he’s miles better than all of them.

            • JJ

              Will see if the library has him. Still have not gotten the copy of Miss Lovely…

            • jazzlover

              The library has him. He’s famous.

            • JJ

              I knew the name from other work but the library here is hit or miss sometimes, but they have these.

            • jazzlover

              Btw, Asimov gave the keynote address at my college graduation. He was a bit, shall we say, eccentric. LOL

            • JJ

              Still worth it. Who isn’t a little bit of a shit. If I ever get feed back from an agent I look forward to being a little bit of a shit. and having a swimming pool.

            • jazzlover

              Are you a writer?

              Fwiw, I mean ‘eccentric’ as in somewhere on another plane of existence. I don’t believe these people think, or thought, like anyone else. I suppose it’s one of the reasons why they could so easily create alternate worlds.

            • JJ

              Love to. When does it pay the bills? Why won’t agents tell you why they passed on your work?

            • jazzlover

              All writers need to create a niche to survive. That’s what our proprietor is doing. Otherwise, writers get paid shit.

            • HabuFan

              To paraphrase – a little shit here and a little shit there and pretty soon you’re talking about some serious crap.

            • jazzlover

              Ha! By jove, I think you’ve got it 😉

            • HabuFan

              I would be sorely disappointed if he wasn’t! Not only was he legitimately one of the world’s most prolific authors (ahem!), but “his books have been published in 9 of the 10 major categories of the Dewey Decimal Classification.”

            • jazzlover

              Eccentricity, while cute, is often a sign of other “cutenesses” 🙂

            • HabuFan

              Asimov and Bradbury “lunatics”? A smaller brush, perhaps? Had the surreal experience of meeting the latter after a local college production of one of his short stories, where he engaged my budding writer pal and I in a nearly hour-long discussion about art and words, but mostly arty words. Just two 10th graders, Bradbury and his limo-driver (Ray never learned to drive) in a long-empy parking lot. He was a genuinely nice man, a bit full of himself, but with a charming insouciance that was very endearing. L.A. used to be full of such lovable eccentrics (see also: Ackermansion). But now I wonder how well he knew Laffy the not-so-lovable..?

              But you’re probably right about McCarthy.

            • jazzlover

              NY was always full of the not-so-lovable eccentrics 🙂 The stories about the Beat poets, Lennie Bruce, Capote, Warhol, et. al. are legendary. And I haven’t even mentioned the drunken NYC columnists (syndicated or otherwise) yet 🙂 I was speaking generally, btw. I didn’t mean to catch all in my net. However, some not mentioned, like Rand and Dick, for instance, were definitely lunatics (just read their writing, for god’s sake) and I will stand by my statement with regard to them (at the very least).

      • HTC

        Huge Rush fan here, and that’s one of my favorite songs. Watch “Beyond the Lighted Stage” and you’ll see that this song was written by Neal Pert to protest their label who wanted them to stop recording such long songs, hence “we have assumed control”.

        • jazzlover

          LOL. You’re preachin’ to the choir. I just watched the doc a couple of weeks ago, for like the 10th time 🙂 I never get sick of it. There are a ton of laugh out loud moments for me. One of my faves is the look on Alex’s face as he’s describing Paul Stanley not at all getting “Caress of Steel”. roflmao

          I’ve seen Rush live about 4 or 5 times. They always put on an excellent show and always give more than 100%. They always have huge smiles on their faces like they enjoy every minute of it. These are all great qualities for huge rock stars to have, and very unique. The only time I saw any of them unhappy was when Geddy got really pissed after the crowd at Radio City booed Marillion off the stage (poor Fish was such a Peter Gabriel copycat and a sad sack to boot). Geddy came out and lectured the audience before Rush put on one hell of a show.

          • HTC

            Wow! Thanks for the insight.

            • jazzlover

              You’re welcome. I jumped on board around the time “Hemispheres” came out, and haven’t regretted a second of it. I haven’t liked everything they’ve done, but it’s always been interesting. To this day, I still believe “Moving Pictures” is one of the perfect rock albums ever made. Those switching time signatures on “Tom Sawyer” are a serious bitch to play on the drums 🙂

            • HTC

              You sound just like my brother…a drummer and huge fan. I had to put down my cat “Cigna” last year that I inherited from my brother when he passed. Named after Cignus XI

            • jazzlover

              Thanks! I’ll take that as a compliment. If nothing else, I am a music fiend. It’s the great healer. My head didn’t seriously turn around until I heard “Larks’ Tongues in Aspic”. That opened new worlds, and finally made it ok to get into jazz.

              Loved “Farewell to Kings” — especially “Xanadu” (xylophone and gongs – hell yeah!!!)

            • HTC

              I’m still blown away every time I listen to Trees. Who writes that shit? “and their all made equal by hatchet, axe and saw” Neil of course.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Always a deeper meaning in his lyrics. Huge sci-fi fan and always makes it a point to read almost anything. There’s a lot to admire about that, especially in a rock star. Like Sebastian Bach says in the doc “I was blown away that these guys were speaking French.” ha ha ha. Took ’em 3 days to record “La Villa Strangiato”, yet every time I’d seen them play it live, they played it flawlessly. They are incredible musicians.

  • Jimmy3

    Is Dear Proprietor going to be on TV

    • No, on the air.

      • Please advise when to breathe it in.

    • no, but maybe yes
      stay glued to your set
      if you see it let me know how it was

    • Baby

      Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy….

      I am so glad that I got to meet you Finally… You are just a cutie pie who doesn’t like any attention, but gets it anyway. Just a beautiful soul who I love.

      You were the one of my highlights of HowdyCon.. I wanted to meet the guy behind the Snark and I did.. You did not disappoint. And I didn’t have to smack you once. Love Baby xoxoxo

      • Jimmy3

        You can smack me next time, Charlie’s Angel. 🙂

        • Can I get in line?

        • Robert Eckert

          I didn’t get to settle the outstanding question of whether Jimmy3 does or does not enjoy being tickled.

          • Jimmy3

            He doesn’t

            • HowdyCon 2:
              “J3 Tickle Party”

            • Jimmy3

              I’ll definitely be in Denver for that. Denver, Ohio.

            • Fair enough.
              I’ll be there. (Of course there is such a place. I’ve been there. I’ve been everywhere.)
              I shall bring a professional tickler..
              You certainly didn’t expect me to touch you personally?
              Ew.
              Here:
              http://places.singleplatform.com/acords-pizza-subs–pub/menu?ref=google

            • Observer
            • Indeed.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              You must hang out with John P. Capitalist?

            • Robert Eckert

              But it has been asserted that you say that precisely to cover up the fact that you do.

            • Jimmy3

              You know what they say about assertions

            • Robert Eckert

              They make an ass out of ert and ions?

            • Jimmy3

              That you can shove them up your ass, sir. Shun.

        • Liberated

          Dear Jimmy, now that I’ve actually seen your photo, Uhh, you’re OK!

          • Jimmy3

            Thanks for the all clear.

            • There are many rivers to cross.

          • There is, as the Romans would say, no accounting for taste.

        • Baby

          Charlie’s Angel.. hahahha.. You make me smile Jimmy..

      • daisy

        You confirmed what I guessed about J3. EVERYONE including myself wanted to see him talk but he is a quiet sweet guy in RL. He saves his material for the screen and we get the benefit .

        • Jimmy3

          Also just had a lot on my mind.

          • Never explain.
            Never complain.

          • flyonthewall

            like how you were going to push me into lake erie?

          • And in other news:
            “J3 has a mind”

        • He’s a potential psycho killer
          One of his good points.

          • Baby

            If Jimmy and Shorpy were in the same room… Who would I guess would be a potential psycho killer?

            Uhm you asked me to lift my skirt the First night.. “Hello Mr. Ted Bundy..” Jeeze..

            • My recollection is that I asked you to put it down.

            • Baby

              UH HUH.. I have witnesses…

        • Baby

          Yes.. He could be my sweet Grandson.. When I was walking up the steps he grabbed my arm and helped me walk.. sweet..

          • Jimmy3

            Dammit. Why does every woman I hit on call me their sweet grandson?

            • Baby

              Hahhahaa.. I just love you…

              ” Still Water Really Does Run Deep..”

            • Kay

              They just haven’t seen Harold and Maude. 🙂

      • Yeah, yeah, he knows that already.
        He’s a whore.
        How long was it you had to wait in front of the hotel?
        And how did it make you feel?

  • It was no raid, FSB took a tour, that’s all.

    • DoveAlexa

      The scowling is normal; they’d ride a merry-go-round with icecream in hand and still be scowling and weilding AKs.

    • pilgrim

      Do they always wear masks? That gave me the creeps.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Hi folks… so sorry I missed Howdycon! Loved the photos!
    This is a hit and run post–unfortunately, I only have intermittent time in the Bunker these days. Love all of this news and hope everyone is well!
    Someone sent me this link today. My apologies if it has been posted.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/22/is-tom-cruise-estranged-from-suri.html
    There is Scientology blood in the water from the rags–with even a reference to Going Clear. Momentum indeed.

    • Robert Eckert

      Hey Chaz! Please try to make some excuse to get to HowdyCon II in Denver (date TBA)

      • What is it that you don’t understand about “PreferToBeAnon2 ” ?

        • Robert Eckert

          “Chaz” is a joke from before your time. The avi is actually Alice looking down the rabbit hole, but Bury The Nuts long ago said that it looked like Chaz Bono in a tie-dyed T-shirt.

          • I am gratified to hear that there is anything “before my time”.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Why do I suddenly feel old? A friends daughter not long ago asked, “… Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?”

            • flyonthewall

              that has nothing to do with age, that’s just ignorance

            • Kay

              I agree.

            • Agree that anyone who doesn’t know someone named Paul McCartney was in a band called the “Beatles” is ignorant?
              I’d bet you’d walk that back.

            • “…nothing to do with age, that’s just ignorance…”
              Although there is a correlation, between the two, by definition, of amount of information and the amount of time one has to acquire it, not all of it will be on the final.

            • ….and could you remember whether he was?
              Now THAT would be old.

            • Kay

              That is hilarious. That’s like the line from Manhattan when Woody Allen asks his 18 old girlfriend where she was when Kennedy was shot….she exclaimed “Ted Kennedy was shot?” (at least I think it was in Manhattan…even if it wasn’t it’s still one of my favorite lines from a movie.

            • “Hey Nineteen” Steely Dan
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKVb_Q1O9H4

            • Kay

              Heart this song !

            • the Cuervo Gold the fine Colombian
              I hear this in the supermarket

            • Kay

              Well you have a better supermarket than mine…..mine plays horrible music one might hear on old Lawrence Welk re-runs….I even complained about it to no avail.

            • You may hear it anywhere, and I’m always amused.

            • Robert Eckert

              well of course not before your time as a Michigan Anon, but before your time as a Bunkeroo

            • I so long for a time before mine.
              I hear it was so much better.
              Let’s go there, shall we?
              You lead the way.

          • shasha40

            Roflmao , I witnessed that. Not sure if I was a lurker back then or what , as a never-in , but my Bunker family was a little more rowdy at that time . But not one hesitation on helping me to understand the wacky world of Scientology and it’s mechanisms of deception and criminality and front groups . They were also Excellent with topics such as the following , #1) What is a troll. #2) Why Not to feed a troll #3) Don’t let the trolls raise your BP . #4)Unconditional love and support ,even when it has zero to do with Scientology .

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        I hope to!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Bowling for Dollars!
    Check that… Bowling for a Drug Free World 😉

    • Jimmy3

      I’m always willing to bowl for a good cause.

      • That’s not been my experience.
        Just sayin’.
        “Oh, I have some great hawaiian back in my room”.

  • daisy

    Okay I give up – Everyone assume you are upvoted. I will write you a letter if I see something I wouldn’t up vote.

    • Yes! Finally!
      I always wanted to have one big “I’m sorry, can you ever forgive me?”.
      I once asked a sexual partner (can we say that here?), “Can I just apologize now for all the things I may do, or have done?”
      When the answer was “No”, that was it. For me.
      Its called “slack”.
      And you have my upvote.

      • shasha40

        Lol , I just posted a comment regarding the Bunkers capacity for ” unconditional Love . “There’s. No need to be lonely , with SP’s only.com ” I couldn’t resist !!! 😀

  • Glen

    Why did this make me think of $cientology? Perhaps the worst press release this side of Pouw.

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article85020682.html

    Some thuggish employees and relatives of the owner of a landscaping company beat up a former NASCAR driver and his daughter after a concert in Charlotte, NC. They were in the company truck with its name plastered on the side and have been charged with battery. The Wallace family (the victims) put up pictures on their Facebook page that were taken by the ambulance driver showing Mike Wallace’s horribly beaten face and the injured daughter who was stomped trying to protect him. This has gone viral and the company lost its contract with the concert venue and is getting crushed in the press and social media.

    The long, meandering press release from the landscape company lawyer does not offer any regard for the victims but rather takes them to task for using social media to cast aspersions on the company.

    Why does this make me think of $cientology?

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I dunno. Because they’re both myopic, self-obsessed organizations that are fond of foot bullets and count on lawyers to shield them from their unethical deeds?

      • Glen

        hmmm….that could be it. Foot bazookas.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          LOL, bazookas is right. I’m sure whatever crisis comm firm they’ve hired has never seen anything quite like their penchant for continually hurting their own cause with their idiotic actions.

      • Kay

        Great sentence there…I saw that !!

    • WTFingF?

  • flyonthewall

    Better to live one day as an SP, than one thousand years as a clam

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6-XJuE6zI8&t=1m15s

  • HTC

    Does Howdycon II have to be in Denver? What about Florida? More specifically Clearwater…beautiful beaches there…

    • Robert Eckert

      The Proprietor’s phrasing was “I don’t care where you guys want it, next year’s is in Denver”

      • HTC

        Hmmm…well I’ve never been to Denver…

        • Lyle has never been to a lot of places.
          When I saw him he said his spirit hadn’t yet caught up to him, from his jet flight.
          “I make my bed where I lay my head.”
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJblZb4yRmc

          • Kim O’Brien

            i saw him at Red Rocks . He’s been to Denver

            • Kay

              RED ROCKS !!!!!!!!! Oh wow my favorite place. I saw Peter Paul and Mary there EVERY summer from about 10 yrs old through high school…it was a tradition with my siblings and me. (no parents allowed it was our thing) We’d go up really early and climb around the rocks after we spread out our blankets on the first row center to save our seats. Lots of good memories…concerts by Judy Collins, Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, Carol King, John Denver….we saw tons of people there through our childhood and college years. Fabulous venue, nothing like it. sigh

            • Kay

              Here’s a picture of Red Rocks

            • Kay

              and a couple of more….I know, I’ll stop now.

            • Kim O’Brien

              ok wait . My first show …ever..was PP&M at Red Rocks ..when i was like 9 !!!! It would be hysterical if we knew each other …or had mutual connections . Denver is a small town LOL ~ i graduated from high school in 87 . You should see the city now ….wow

            • Kay

              That WOULD be funny !!! I’ve been back a couple of times and was just astonished…when I grew up it had more of a small town feel now it’s enormous. I graduated from high school way before you, (South High School) but hey we still might have mutual connections.

            • Liberated

              You saw Joni Mitchell at Red Rocks, I hate you.
              I’ve been trying to remember all night the name of the bar I went to in ’72, in Boulder. Finally did, Tulagi’s.
              I had been in a car for 12 hours and spent most of my time in the bathroom, but Leo Kottke played, he was good, Bonnie Raitt played too, but missed her.
              Boulder is so beautiful!

            • And El Paso.

          • HTC
            • HTC

              Another one of my favorites – Never Been to Spain – Three Dog Night

        • Kay

          Denver is fabulous !! It’s not humid but still really green…gorgeous parks, beautiful mountains, tons of stuff to see and do. Of course I grew up there so I’m biased, but truly it’s a great place. (and it’s not overly expensive like some other cities which is good)

          • Kim O’Brien

            where did you go to high school ?

            EDIT – that sounded creepy …put a ” you are kidding me , that is so cool” type of squeal sound to that sentence 😉

            • Kay

              South High…..put that in a post to you below just a second ago. Where did you go?

            • Kim O’Brien

              East is in the house 😉

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Would you and Kim be willing to lead or arrange for a before or after Howdy Con hike in RMNP that might give Bunkeroos a good taste of the phenomenal panoramic views, wildlife, smells and experience of the Rockies? That alone would be worth its weight in gold. I’m sure Bunkerros have various physical limitations, but I’m also sure there are manageable trails that most people might be able to do? If not, can you drive any of them? Would be unforgettable. I’ve only done the full on, day long hike to the summit, which was absolutely spectacular. It would be a shame to travel all the way to Denver and not experience the real Rocky Mountains.

            • Kim O’Brien

              that is too far out ( 2 hours outside of Denver , over Berthoud Pass ) ..and there are some old farts who have never been here, so I would prefer not to send them back home in a box ;)….but check out The Rocky Mountain Arsenal . This is like ..a secret , not far from downtown at all . We go here all the time …great walks ,there are buffalo herds …bald eagles …hawks …herons ..white tailed deer .

              https://www.fws.gov/refuge/rocky_mountain_arsenal/

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Ah, didn’t recall it being that far, but in Colorado, everything seems spread out. Would the RM Arsenal give them a taste of the majesty of the Rockies? Sounds like they would definitely see great wildlife there, so that should be a part of the itinerary. That said, you are the local, not me. And you attended the first Howdycon, I didn’t. I just happened to have had spectacular, one-of-a-kind experiences in your breathtaking neck of the woods that I would recommend to every being on the planet as a bucket list item, so I can’t help chiming in. Bottom line: you live within a stone’s throw of paradise. Bunkeroos should plan ahead, save up, build in some extra sight seeing days, and not miss the next Howdycon.

      • And yet he objected to the whole “hip hip hooray” thing.
        I am confused.

      • Sherbet

        Why? for all of us who weren’t there at the time.

        • TexasBroad

          Well, voting put us in Cleveland so I think it was a comment on the pitfalls of a democracy. 🙂

          • “Did he say the meek shall inherit the earth?
            No, no, he said “The Greeks shall inherit the earth.”

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
            • Liberated

              That has always been our family’s favorite Christmas movie, swear to god. “Next time forget the myrrh ”

            • PerpetualOutflow

              In my book, the cheesemakers truly are blessed.

            • Baby

              Johnny Tank. .. A beautiful man… I absolutely adore you. You are just a special person and your sensitive soul shines through. I am so glad that I had the pleasure to meet you.

              I had heard so much about you and you certainly did not disappoint. You are so generous and caring. And can blush easily. I wish I could still blush. I will be looking forward to seeing your again.

              Absolutely Denver but you never know what is going to happen before hand.. xoxo love baby

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Thank you very much for your kind words 🙂 Did I blush, or was it the sunburn? Lol.

              You are truly awesome, and you give great hugs and backrubs. I have always liked you and your fun comments, and it was great that you could make it to Cleveland so I could meet you in person. You sure are fun to be around.

              Looking forward to Denver, or as you say, if anything else should come up 🙂

              (((HUGS)))

            • Baby

              A mixture of both.. ha

              That was so much fun.. Oh Yay.. We will have a HUGE crowd of Bunkeroos.. I love critics.. Yippie.. xo

            • I’m a quarter Greek. What do I get? Never mind that I’m also a quarter Norwegian, Swedish and Irish.

          • jazzlover

            Or lack thereof 😉

          • Oh, it worked out

            • daisy

              It did work out but I liked the joke.

            • TexasBroad

              I didn’t mean to imply otherwise – it couldn’t have been better. It was a great city, the weather was perfect, the hotel was great, and the Cavs were icing on the cake! I was only commenting on Tony calling next year for Denver.

        • Robert Eckert

          I believe the reasoning was simply that Kim had expressed a desire for it to be in Denver, and so, before anybody else could propose alternate locations, Tony wanted to shut down any debate preemptively.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, thank you. I understand.

            • Robert Eckert

              Or my theory could be completely mistaken. I always reserve the right to be wrong. I think I stole that line from Shorpy, but maybe I’m wrong.

          • Jimmy3

            I hung out with her just enough to know for sure that she would throw one hell of a party. And she was all about it for the first HC. It really should be in Denver.

          • Kim O’Brien

            LOL …pretty sure it is because he loves Estes Park …and that is just a couple of hours up in the mountains , from Denver . If i had THAT much influence …i would have said Fiji

            • Baby

              Hahahha Yeah.. really Kim.. Who Knew ?

            • Robert Eckert

              True, more sarongs are worn in Fiji than in Denver

      • Vaquera

        .

        • Let’s roll the tape, shall we?

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Maybe while everyone is in Denver, there could be a side excursion for a paranormal tour of the Stanley Hotel that inspired The Shining. I would suggest actually staying there (I have), but perhaps our weirdness quotient is already high enough on its own.

    • flyonthewall

      our cult leader told us it has be in Denver and we do what he says

      • HTC

        Of course, I wouldn’t want to appear bigoted against Denver, nor do I have an axe to grind against denver

        • Kim O’Brien

          i just want you both to know that i can hear you …all the way from Denver .

      • DeVER! DenVER! DenVER! (Stares into iPad)

    • OOkpik

      Our Proprieter hath spoken. 😉

    • I actually agree with you.
      But I know I will be declared for it.
      So I’m currently deciding whether to shit or go blind.

      • flyonthewall

        DENIER!!

      • Liberated

        How many times can you be declared?

        • 13

          • Liberated

            Alright, tell the truth. I bet you’re already trying to come up with the perfect song for H-con Denver next year. The Band’s—lookout Cleveland, perfect!
            Let’s see, for some reason, Neil Young always had a Colorado vibe to me, but I’m sure you’ll come up with something great.
            Need I say, no John Denver.

        • Well, I declare! That’s at least two.

      • daisy

        Bitter apostate.

      • HTC

        And Florida has so much to offer – I’m on my back porch now in over 90 degree heat, 100% humidity and providing a lovely meal for the mosquitos…probably contracting zica virus as I type…

        • flyonthewall

          sounds awesome!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          If you wake up with a shrunken head, I want pics!

        • jazzlover

          Now THAT’S funny! Humidity? Not so much.

    • HTC

      Ok ok Denver it is I don’t want to rue the day I second guessed TO!!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      If you want to have it the same time of year, there is no contest whatsoever here. Have it in Denver–or nearby Boulder. Don’t even think about CW. But if you want to have it in the winter….

  • Liberated

    Stop being mean to Jimmy–he’s cute.

  • outraged

    Same day, two headlines. Both featuring Scientology’s disgusting horrific practice of splitting families and friends apart in the name of ‘religion’.

    It is about time the press stop asking if there IS disconnection, and start looking for the Lost In Scientology.

    Phil and Willie have come up with the most hopeful and helpful campaign against Scientology that I have seen yet. Focusing on disconnection is so important. This insidious means of keeping all the disciples hidden away from the public and any real news, is one of the main reasons Miscavige gets to keep on giving the gift of hate.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/22/is-tom-cruise-estranged-from-suri.html

  • Observer

    If you watch one video today, it needs to be the one in this article.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cat-brain-freeze_us_576ab611e4b0c0252e77edc8

    • Jimmy3

      Shit. I’ve already watched a video today.

      • Observer

        Your loss.

        • Jimmy3

          Not really. It was a turtle revenge humping a Croc to get back at some other color Croc who’d cheated on him. So worth it.

          eeeee

          • Sherbet

            Flip flops…Crocs…you really have some kind of shoe fetish, don’t you.

    • flyonthewall

      oh god that’s not right!

  • Robert Ramsay

    Scientology ! the gift that keeps taking and taking.

  • iampissed

    Wel….Um….well. Denver is a great town and I have a friend that I could stay with.
    My only concern is that there seemed to be quite a bit of folks making comments
    about…..how shall I say tip one or MORE back. Now I would not recommend repeating
    that with what else is available in the fine state of Colorado. It could become WAY to interesting

    • Jimmy3

      That was the situation in CLE too. It would only be amplified in the Rocky Mountain High

      • flyonthewall

        Bunkerites will be heading for the mountains, literally

        • I have so many friends in Denver, I’m stoked for next year. We need a date!

    • Robert Ramsay

      Be thankful in that Denver will be your termination. Flying through ?! You have no doubt lost your luggage.

      • Kay

        Well there was such a luggage nightmare when they first built that airport, they just could not seem to fix the system. They finally got so desperate that they had the local indian tribe come in and do some sort of ceremony there. (true story) There are lots of stories of weird things that go on in that airport and theories abound as to why.

        • Robert Ramsay

          I’ve been through there a few times but the Mrs. has been through as if she was locked into purgatory/ground hog day and … according to her 9 times out of ten your luggage in the hold will not follow.

          • Kay

            Wow, they are still having problems? Last time I was there was two years ago, and my luggage showed up fine. If I recall correctly the luggage system cost millions to begin with and millions to try to fix. That is interesting. I’ll have to go back and read about the airport again, and what the original issue was with where it was built. It’s certainly a weird looking airport, like huge white tee-pees. I seem to remember something about it being built on or adjacent to native american land. I’ll look it up and see what I can find.

            • Robert Ramsay

              I love the tee pees.

            • Kay

              Yeah they are cool !

            • Kay

              Nuts, I can’t get this link to post… anyway google Denver Airport, and you will see an article that says “8 conspiracy theories about the Denver Airport that will freak you out” It’s pretty entertaining. I’ve heard variations of these rumors for years, along with rumors that they built it over an indian burial ground, which I don’t think is true. The article is amusing. (I have seen the artwork there, BTW, and it IS completely freaky, that part I totally agree with.)

            • Robert Eckert

              The entire United States is basically built on Indian burial grounds.

            • HabuFan

              Cleveland has been an Indian burial ground since 1948, for sure.

            • Robert Ramsay

              Bury my heart at …
              First person that answers, assuming I make it tooooo Denver, will have a FREE beer on me ! 🙂

            • Supper Powers

              Wounded Knee. Indigo Girls.

            • Robert Ramsay

              Looks like I’m buying ! 🙂

            • Supper Powers

              I won?!? I won!! *jumps up and down*

            • Robert Ramsay

              !!!!!!!!!

            • Lord Draconis Zeneca of the Glaxxon Reptiloid Empire runs a base underneath the airport. You enter under the blue horse. You pull in its balls and the whole statue slides over and you go down a hundred foot slide.

            • Robert Ramsay

              ok now that’s funny

            • Of course, he’s totally fictional . . . OR IS HE?

            • Robert Ramsay

              You guys are freaking me out man …I think I will go assume a reclining pose and dream …

    • flyonthewall

      Busschhhh…smooth as a mountain stream

      • Baby

        Yep..

        “Come to the Mountains.. Stay for the Busssschhhh”

        ( I apologize for my vulgarity to all that were offended..tee hee)

        • TexasBroad

          I had a beautiful, young (and shapely) teacher my freshman year of high school whose unfortunate name was Ms. Bush AND we were in St. Louis, home of Anheuser-Busch. Poor woman. 13 yr old boys…sheesh.
          On the other hand, I seem to remember that she got a bunch of them together and they painted her house.

          • Baby

            Painted her house.. hahahhaha OMG funny Broad.. ( I miss you)

            • Is that what they called it then . . .

      • Robert Eckert
    • Kay

      Yes, tis very true. They don’t call it Denver the “mile high city” for nothing. People get inebriated really rapidly there. On the other hand, hey maybe a lower liquor bill?

    • flyonthewall

      by “what else is available in the fine state of Colorado” you mean marijuana right? Weed? Dope?

  • Observer

    I just bought an old Soviet-made Helios lens on eBay and I’m geeking out because two words: swirly bokeh (a characteristic of these lenses).

    Refresh

    • flyonthewall

      so freakin cool. And no cheap digital effects either, this is the real deal

      • PerpetualOutflow

        One other cheap effect is to put a plastic baggie (bottom cut) over your lens for a nice, fog-like, softness around the edges.

        • Missionary Kid

          A nylon stocking also will give soft focus.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Do you put the stocking over the lense or cut the end off and just use it to soften the edge?

            • Missionary Kid

              Over the lense. Vaseline smeared around the center of the lense (but not the center) will produce a similar effect to the Helios lens. Better to do it on a clear filter than the lens itself.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              LOL, is it better to use nude or suntan, DKNY or Silky?

            • PerpetualOutflow

              And with the Vasoline…my derm prefers Aquaphor. Is that okay? 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              I didn’t see your take on the vaseline trick. The nylon is used for soft focus for the whole shot, bot I suppose you can cut a hole in it to just soften the edges.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Thks. Can’t wait to try both. But I am convinced the quality of the stocking will matter. And it’s hard to find stockings these days. Not that I look for them.

        • Supper Powers

          Or Vaseline on a removable clear filter.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Oooh, never tried that.

    • Sherbet

      It looks like one of Baby’s paintings, Obs.

      • Observer

        It does! I can’t wait till it gets here so I can play with it.

        • Sherbet

          The girl of a thousand talents!

      • Baby

        Awww Sherbie.. what a compliment.. thank you.. xoxox

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Beautiful!

    • HabuFan

      I have an old Sony digital with a Zeiss that does this…whether you want it to or not! Great for family snaps…

    • Baby

      Work of art Obs.. You will have so much fun.. wow..

    • Qbird

      I stole this and it is now my cover photo in FB, Obs. really pretty.

      • Observer

        I don’t know who took it, but it’s gorgeous.

    • I used some of them with a Zorki 4. You had to use slow film because the contrast was low but some of them gave very good results, for the price.

      When they didn’t you could exploit their faults – as you have done here to great effect.

      • Observer

        I didn’t take this one (I don’t have the lens yet), but I hope to get some just as nice.

    • Juicer77

      I love this so much! Going to save it just for pretty… 🙂

  • Of trolls and women … Beauty & the Beast … elle & mon elle: best frenemies forever … a shout out to the best community ever …

    I 💖💖💖💖 y’all …

    https://disqus.com/home/channel/discussdisqus/discussion/channel-discussdisqus/user_blocking_how_has_it_changed_they_way_you_disqus/#comment-2745603911

    • Missionary Kid

      Well written. Love you, too!

    • Glen

      Mon Elle….I always enjoyed seeing you engaging with Elle in comment sections. You seemed unflappable in the wake of her vitriol and responded to abuse with kindness and humor while at the same time provided necessary counterbalance and information. Thanks for taking that on.

      And your above link is an excellent explanation. I hope you are well.

    • daisy

      Right back at you. I hope you get absorbed more often. I skip hygiene and house work for bunkering. The city is going to condemn my house.

    • iampissed

      As Missionary Kid said well written…Blessings

    • Qbird

      Vous écrivez sur une expérience intéressante. Bon travail, mon elle.
      The devil’s kettle ~

      • Been there … Done that … Don’t ask about my travel partners …. I still have .3 years before statute of limitations are up ….

      • Kim O’Brien

        i want to go there . i want to go there right now

        • Qbird

          This waterfall is so bizarre, Kim. Check it.
          Mon Elle knows this place, as do I.
          Can’t swim in this one.
          I know another waterfall tho, across some neighbor’s land, where you can swim and “romp” and splash & play. Dark water but clean & pure.

    • Juicer77

      😉

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Paramount released the trailer for Tom Cruise’s latest Jack Reacher movie today. Yawn. All of his movies now look the same to me. In most of the scenes his face is banged up. I wonder if that was originally in the script or if the tweaking he had done on his face took longer to heal than expected and was written in. Hehe

    https://youtu.be/aoCP_JHzBUM

    • Liberated

      You mean Jack Reach-around, is it no. 3, 4, or 5?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It’s Number 2!
        Bwahahahaha

    • Qbird

      Yeah, the silent tough guy who can never get hurt no matter how hard he gets pounded. uh-huh.
      Suspended reality.

      • I used to hate that in John Wayne films – the way they presented a ‘real man’ as someone who could take repeated blows to the fact with a closed fist, shake his head, and recover without a mark.

        The modern equivalent is the action hero’s incredible ability to be shot multiple times and still be able to go on action-heroeing with little more than a grimace – that and his ability to avoid a hail of bullets with a forward roll.

        At least superhero films have a fantasy rationale for the abilities of their protagonists – and they seem to be taking over from the ‘action hero’ because, with CGI, they can be more extreme.

        TC’s preferred role is getting just as old as he is.

    • Juicer77

      Lookit me run, RUN I TELL YA, to the theater. f5
      YAWN, indeed.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Possible Theme Song for HowdyConPartDeux ” This time, it’s personal ” refresh

    Ladies and germs …i present to you – a country/bluegrass version of Snoop Dogg’s ” Gin and Juice”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4hGSR5njZE

    • Kim O’Brien

      what …too much ? 🙂

      • Baby

        NEVAH

        • Qbird

          Let’s dance!

      • No way. I’m a Freakwater fan.

        • Supper Powers

          My old drunk friend, it’s good to see you again!
          ETA because that’s an obscure reference for those who don’t know Freakwater. http://youtu.be/_ZOxaBW3Xn8

    • Qbird

      I LOVE this rendition Kim O’BriEn!!! eta: better than the original.

    • Juicer77

      Oh, Gin and Juice can be a dangerous combination! 😉

  • arcinva

    I just had to share with you all. I was celebrating my birthday with my family Saturday night. I got to a gift from my sister, ripped into the wrapping paper, and… lo and behold…

    A good guffaw was had by all. They just love ribbing me about my Scientology interest…

    P.S. It cost her $1 at a used bookstore. I’m glad it’s not there for some unexpected person to stumble across now.

    • Baby

      Happy Belated Birthday Arc.. That is hysterical..hahhahaha.. xo baby

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I can relate about the ribbing. Can be hard for loved ones to understand the fascination.

      • arcinva

        It’s all in good fun. It’s how we show our love for one another. 😉

        • pat k

          Happy day & put that into recycle soon!

    • Missionary Kid

      I hope you told her that she got ripped off – it’s only worth the pulp it would make or fire it would light.

    • Juicer77

      XD
      Are the *multiple* reply cards still attached inside? The one I bought from the thrift store still had them.

      • arcinva

        There’s at least one in there; I haven’t looked too closely yet. But, I can top that! There’s a Chick tract in there!!! Oh, that just cracked me the hell up!

        • Juicer77

          LOL

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    May I suggest this band to play at Howdycon 2?

    “Classic rock from The Jam Band out of Clearwater, Florida. Dads and friends taking their recreational music to the next level to help get the message out about improving society and that “Something can be done about it!” This quote covers the fun we have with music – “The greatest joy there is in life is creating. Splurge on it!” L. Ron Hubbard”

    https://youtu.be/A6EJf6ots4M

    • Supper Powers

      No you may not. 😉

      • Sherbet

        Maybe Chili Beans will be available.

        • Supper Powers

          It would be amusing to get a rejection letter from him if we asked.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Oh yeah, Chili Bean just LOVES Tony, doesn’t he? 😉

        • Qbird

          Sherbet, you gonna make HC in the mile high city?

          • Sherbet

            No, pretty unlikely.

            • Qbird

              on account of what Capt. Howdy said & Mr. Sherb too?
              Aww nutz!
              okay fine. haruumf. (

              You got the book signing meet & greet, that was cool, that must suffice.

              Well, if I ever get to Bean Town..
              expect a Howdy! That is all.

            • Sherbet

              No, on account of my disinclination to come out of my comfort zone. I pretty much stick around NH, ME, and MA. I’m such a bore; sorry to disappoint.

            • daisy

              You are anything but boring. I can relate. I am disinclined to go to party*s too, but I always end up enjoying them.

            • Sherbet

              The older I get, the more hermit-like I’ve become.

            • Qbird

              Oh it’s okay, M’darlin’ green thingy. You be here; it’s good.

              Have you never seen the Rocky Mountains tho?
              omg. So beautiful, it’ll take your breath away… you see some things so beautiful it’ll make ya weep..

              I understand not wanting nor needing to leave your comfort zone.
              I’ve a wonderful friend out in Calif., feels the same way.
              To see her I must go there (which is wonderful, btw)… which also takes some effort.
              huggy you always kiddo. safe, from afar.

            • Sherbet

              Haven’t seen much of anything. We traveled in Europe when we were young, but, since then, the desire has left and has been replaced with inertia. Maybe when I’m fully retired we’ll do something, although I sort of doubt it!

            • Qbird

              well that just means you are content & well satisfied right where you’re at.
              I get it! I like that. safe & happy.

            • Qbird

              I miss you, ya know. Just saying’… Hoping you are well & all good Sherbet.

            • daisy

              : (

            • Sherbet

              You go and make the jokes for me.

            • daisy

              I will need an earpiece and your jokes.

            • Sherbet

              Not true at all.

    • jazzlover

      Oh God, they suck. These are the fools who raised like $400 out of a 40K go fund me page?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I don’t think so. But being a wog, our ears just aren’t as highly tuned as they should be. It takes years of auditing to truly appreciate this kind of theta music.

        • jazzlover

          “Theta Love, it’s drivin’ me mad, it’s makin’ me crazy”

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            …”taking their recreational music to the next level”. Hmm…as a music lover what level would you say that was Jazzlover? I’m afraid that off key “Ah-Ah-Ah, Ah-Ah-Ah-Ahhhh…” is going to give me an engram!

            • jazzlover

              The next level might be where the skies open up and Xenu himself smites them with a horned toad 😉 I agree, the off key vocalizing and bad harmonies were scary.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              If I had to listen to more of this clam vocalizing, I’d have to take LRH’s advice and “splurge”!

            • jazzlover

              Just give us a head’s up if it comes to that 🙂

    • Chee Chalker

      Thank you for listening

    • Holy fuck! I had no idea you could be sharp and flat at the same time!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        That’s one of the benefits of being an OT, that the clams prefer to keep secret 😉

      • PerpetualOutflow

        I am not a musician. Thanks for lending me the vocab.

    • Snippy_X

      Petr Draga keeping it cheesier
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjrqSF2GRAs

  • Gus_Cox

    To paraphrase Clubber Lang and Mike Rinder: What do I predict for Scientology in Russia?

    Pain.

  • Sorry this is way off topic but now that I’m close to so many of you in going to share a person dilemma that’s been bothering me for a few years. I’m good at what I do. I make good money. But I’ve reached a plateau. Because to ever make good money in finance and business I need a degree. In order to do that I have to give up my lifestyle. I gave to quit my job, hunter down and go to school. I have to give up living in my own and ask someone, I already have an idea of who, to let me live with them and I don’t even know how I’d keep up with my car payments. I have to take on student loan debt. The whole thing is scary to me. But I know I need to do it. It means moving back to Texas again most likely.

    Anyway just wanted to get my Bunker family’s thoughts on it. What do you guys think? I’m turning 30 this year and now is the time because I’m only getting older Am I crazy, should I stick it out or should I make some sacrifices and go through with it?

    • Kim O’Brien

      are you a resident of TX or CA ?

      • I’m a resident of CA

        • Kim O’Brien

          community college for all core classes . Those are all transferable and the core classes are the same everywhere . Google every possible version of ” financial aid/scholarships/grants, for adults going back to college “..that you can . Do not over load yourself ..take your time . Go part time at first …2/3 core classes is almost a full load . Do that for 1 semester …then see what core classes you can test out of . They do that for older students. IMHO

          You can get an Associates Degree faster than you think ..and that is just a skip away from a Bachelors .

          • Kim O’Brien

            you can also get credits for ” unique life experiences ” . Not kidding

            • But in answer to the larger question. I should do it?

            • Sherbet

              Derek, all I can say is, I have a 48-year-old niece, single mother of two teenagers, and she’s in nursing school right now, fulfilling a life-long dream that was put aside while she struggled with money and child-raising issues. Get some good advice from a college on how best to make it work for you, and go for it.

            • Kim O’Brien

              well …all i can say is this . The time is going to go by ..no matter what ….2/4 years is going to go by , no matter what . Would you rather being asking that same question of yourself ….2/4 years from now ? …or would you rather have an Associates/Bachelors Degree …2/4 years from now ?

              My Gramma says stuff like

              ” if you spend your life saying , i should- a , i could -a , i would- a …you are going to end up should-ing …all over yourself “

            • Ugh you’re so right. But dude I am just so afraid of giving everything up like that. I endured the Sea Org for 3 years so I’m sure university will be cake! LOL

            • Sherbet

              You may not have to give everything up. As Kim suggests, you probably can take it in stages.

            • Kim O’Brien

              totally different ROI … 😉

            • My experience is in the UK, where you don’t have to repay a student loan until you are earning more than a certain amount – so much that the repayments are not a burden.

              That said, I completed my degrees at the age of 50 – and found age to be no problem at all. In fact, they preferred ‘mature’ students because they found that we were typically better at organising our time (I’m immature, but I didn’t tell them that).

              If you coped with the Sea Org, the essay deadlines and exams which frighten some people will, as you say, be no problem.

              I’m glad I did it, not to earn more money but in and of itself. I had a wonderful time and the experience changed me for the better.

              I hope you find a way to square the circle. It’s worth doing.

            • OOkpik

              “Fear knocked; when I answered, no one was there.”

              Follow your dreams, Derek. There will never be a better time. Had you relied on your parents’ support, you wouldn’t have gotten this far and it would be folly to let that stifle you now. You are young, intelligent , resourceful and courageous. Test the waters and take the plunge.

              Whatever you decide, I wish you every success.

            • Ella Raitch

              Derek, my daughter has pretty much supported herself through uni. She has survived by taking her courses over a longer time span than normal. She can work more hours – meaning more money – but with fewer units and fewer assessments she has also been able to enjoy herself. She is talking Masters now so the experience hasn’t been completely awful for her!

            • Juicer77

              Respect to little ella!! 🙂

            • Kay

              Hey you can do this without giving everything up !! You may have to live on a little less, but it won’t be like slaving in the sea org. You have a lot of support from us…look at all the comments posted back to you on this, so don’t feel alone because you are not !

            • flyonthewall

              you have good advise. I’m going to come to you first when I need some advise

            • Missionary Kid

              Is advise a verb or a noun? Try advice.

            • flyonthewall

              Thank you for the advice but you realize that now I’m going to do it just to annoy you right?

            • Snippy_X

              Derek, if your not sure, maybe try taking one course in the evenings at your local community college. Talk to them about the degree requirements and pick a course that will count toward your degree, but is also one that you’re interested in. There is very little risk in that and you can see how it goes. Community colleges understand that many of the students have jobs and other commitments outside of school, so they will work with you on that. It sounds to me like you need to give it a shot, at least. It might turn out more manageable than you think.

            • Ella Raitch

              Absolutely. You are an intelligent young man and you will love the learning. Go for it. Education is a reward in itself, in addition to the extra income and security it brings

            • vicariousthrill

              DO IT.

            • MissCandle

              DO IT!!!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Do it! If you have the possibility, there is no doubt in my mind. You do not want to regret it 5, 10 or 20 years from now.

            • aquaclara

              DO IT!!!

    • Jimmy3

      D – All of the above

    • Newiga

      For me, getting out of working life and doing my master’s degree was the best decision I’ve made so far. (I’m your age btw.) The few years I spent in uni were definitely among the best years of my life. I was constantly learning new interesting things and being intellectually stimulated. I met so many great people, a few of who will stay in my life for years to come I hope. I loved studying and as crazy as it sounds loved writing my master’s thesis. I’m very critical and demanding of myself but I’m so proud of myself for getting that master’s degree. I feel it set me on a path I really want to be on career-wise.

      I know it is a bit different in the US than here (especially financially) but I still want to encourage you to chase that dream. I always say “You regret the things you did NOT do more than the things you DID do.” My 2 cents (euro). 🙂

      http://www.thelifestylecompound.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/no-regrets.jpg

      • That’s kind a what I am thinking. I’ve had a good go of it working, and it’s allowed me to do a lot of stuff. But I am just afraid that where I am at, I am always going to be struggling to make this salary for the rest of my life. I have the experience all the employers want. I just don’t have the degree. I think right out of college I will land a controller job, or maybe CFO of a small company because I’ll have 10 years of experience already behind me.

        I’m just not sure if I am just having an existential crisis or if this is something that I really just need to pull the trigger on and do. I can’t find anyone to take me seriously when I apply for jobs without this degree.

        Plus most people have the benefit of parents to help take care of them while they are in school. I don’t have that benefit unfortunately because my parents are assholes.

        • bonnydoe

          well Derek, hmmmm, you are almost 30… calling your parents assholes for not financially supporting you while you study strikes me as a bit harsh

          • Newiga

            In case that you are NOT joking and don’t know the background, I recommend you familiarize yourself with Derek’s story. 🙂 (See links below). Derek can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that the reason he is calling his parents assholes is not because they are not financially supporting him…

            http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-disconnection-and-homophobia-derek-blochs-story-6661519

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HfsmmIV4bo

            https://www.youtube.com/user/dbloch7986

            http://mentalpod.com/Raised-in-Scientology-Derek-Bloch

            • bonnydoe

              ah okay, I indeed did not know about the details of Dereks life…

            • Juicer77

              Thanks for listening to him. His story is amazing. Check out Derek on this podcast, too, talking about his life and family situation. http://mentalpod.com/Raised-in-Scientology-Derek-Bloch

            • Newiga

              🙂 There’s so many people from many walks of life in the Bunker. You cannot know everyone’s story. What really counts is that you are willing to listen.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I was born to a Mum of 18 from a light blue collar family…

          • Juicer77

            His story is a lot more complicated than I think you realize.

          • Kim O’Brien

            fuck you asshole

            • bonnydoe

              ??

          • LOL a bit harsh to call my parents assholes. Okay bonny

            • bonnydoe

              well it would have been if it was only because they didn’t pay for your study… I saw a great video a while ago in which you we telling about scientology, but I didn’t get the info on your family history in that… I learned some more in the meanwhile… no harm meant 🙂

            • It’s more I’m calling them assholes because they could have afforded to send my sister and I to school or at least let me go while I lived with them. but instead gave everything to Scientology and told me I was a piece of shit faggot ex sea org member and if I wanted to live with them I had to pay rent and get a job. No school for me. I made that choice when I joined the sea org.

        • Juicer77

          Late to this discussion, but butting in anyway. 😉 From what you’ve said, it sounds like a degree is the next logical step in your path of self improvement. Remember you’re starting out where many of us were at 20, because $camatology stifled you for so long. The suggestion of taking a little time to save up for classes and starting out at a local school (lower cost) are excellent ones. Keep in mind also that going to college is not like joining the Sea Argh – you can cut back your hours or quit at any time if a great employment opportunity presents itself. You’re a strong, smart guy. Whatever path you choose, it’s truly yours and you will be successful. xoxo

        • Robert Hanna Moore

          Also late to the discussion, but wanted to encourage you to further your education. I left a relatively high wage job at 30 and earned my BSME at 33. I never regretted it

    • This might seem dumb, but the problem I have is that I can’t fall back on my parents. That’s the struggle. I’ve worked so hard to build a life for myself and now I’m afraid that unless I get a degree I’m not gonna be able to keep it going. I’m going to be barely making it, stuck at a job that I hate for the rest of my natural life and I just don’t want that future.

      • Newiga

        I can understand your struggle even if I’ve never been in your shoes. (If you know what I mean):( However, it really sounds like you really want to go for the degree and have a passion for improving yourself and I can related to that.

        I know the financial part is very tricky especially since your parents aren’t there to support and help you.. (I restrain myself from calling them really nasty names……) Are there any scholarship you can apply for?

      • sundaygirl

        “I’m going to be barely making it, stuck at a job that I hate for the rest of my natural life and I just don’t want that future.” You just answered your own question. I worked 50 hrs a week at a job I hated, but went to school full time and ended up with two degrees in four years and two job offers the week after I graduated. It was tough. Sacrifice and struggle for a few years; education is worth it in the long run. I don’t know you, but I wish you success.

      • Dave In Ajax

        you said ” I am not going to be able to keep it going” … that is a scary statement I hope you are not that destitute, I am thinking not and the text was mis interpreted, if not there is help here and in your city…. I hope

    • madame duran

      Not sure what your career goals are. Is it simply to increase your annual salary or do you want a job that will challenge you? Is the current job you’re in just a survival paycheque or a stepping stone to something greater (is the job even within your desired career field)? It seems to me that you’re looking for a change but it requires sacrificing the financially comfortable status you presently have. Which is scarier to you–indefinitely working a job that’s reached a plateau or having to (temporarily) give up a comfortable lifestyle in order to achieve a dream? My gut feeling would be to go for whatever gives you passion and not just “settle” for something that will eventually frustrate you. Assess what your life/career priorities are, make short and long-term plans based on them, then stick to it. Change and the fear of the unknown are always daunting at first appearance but think of the potential end result of having taken that calculated risk versus doing nothing and living with the consequences of not growing or knowing “what could have been”. Can you afford to make any delays in your decision (and for how long)? In any case, I wish you the best.

    • Missionary Kid

      One option you have right now is to take classes while you’re working. Does your job enable you to take classes? Often times, a company will allow a person to take off during the day to go to class. Your firm may also have a program of financial aid to enable you to go to college.

      Especially if your goal is to move on up in the firm, you might have a lot of support to do that.

      For one thing, as an older student, you aren’t going to be as caught up in a lot of, what at your age, will appear to be kiddie problems. There’s a lot of things that you used to worry about when you were 17 that are practically irrelevant to you.

      One thing that will help you to get by is to pay off your car as rapidly as possible or to get a cheaper car. Another, to lower your living costs, is shared living space – which can be good or a real PITA.

    • April Moonlight

      How about working for a year or two more, saving for college, then starting. I actually did this, and once i decided i was going to do it, the savings started adding up. i cut out all the little things i could do without. the one advice i can give is to try to save as much as you can before starting school because college is full of unexpected costs, for educational materials and supplies and miscellaneous expenses. the second semester i got a job at school and that helped too. i held off as long as i could then finally got a student loan, its almost paid off now. Good luck! You can do it! 🙂

      • Kay

        Good advice

    • Kay

      Hey Derek:

      Here’s the deal with getting a degree: If you don’t have a degree, you have to constantly prove to your employer that you are qualified for your job. If you DO get a degree, THEY have to prove that you are NOT qualified. That’s a big difference. I think you are worried about your employment because you don’t have an education, even though you are obviously good at your job. That makes any difficulties/disagreement on the job harder because you feel like you are more expendable, and less likely to be valued or listened to.

      I believe what I hear in what you wrote is that you are afraid that you won’t make it where you are, and that this is fear is magnified by your experience of being without money, without family, without support. You are afraid of being in that position again, and that is totally understandable !

      One thing my Dad taught me was never to make a decision based on fear, make one based on courage. Or, as Patton famously said, “never take counsel from your fears”

      You can do this….it may require some temporary changes or inconveniences, but you absolutely can do this, and it will be worth it, for your self esteem and for your future success.

      Here are some of the things you can think about:

      1.) Grants/scholarships: There are a lot of different types of grants and scholarships available for students. When you decide what degree you want, or where you want to get it from, start researching by going to their student aid department, they will have lists of what is available. Also check grants given from the U.S. government…sometimes they have very interesting grants available.

      2.) See if your place of employment will help pay for school. Go to HR to ask about this, they will give you the policies regarding possible assistance. Tell them what your career goals are, and how you think this degree will help you attain these goals. They like to hear specifics.

      3.) Start at a cheaper college (community or state college that has cheaper tuition) and just start with one class at a time at night if you want to do this while still working. Ease into it…adult learning is very different than continuing from high school into college. It takes a little bit to get your bearings and get into a rhythm. Also, by starting out slow you won’t amass the huge student loan debt that is hard to pay off. Also, I think that going to class and interacting with others is an important part of education, so I think it’s good for students to do at least some classes on campus rather than an entire degree online for example. Or, if you think it’s easier, you can start by doing one class online while you are still working and see how that goes.

      4.) Go see an academic/admissions counselor when you decide where you want to go, they can help you with a lot of things, including career goals, which degree will best serve your needs, help with the application process, etc.

      5.) There are some good online degrees available, but be aware. Some of these degrees are not accredited, even if they advertise that they are.

      ACCREDITATION: This is tedious, but important. Verifying whether an online college is actually accredited by an accepted accrediting body is essential. For instance, if you get an an associate’s degree online (the most common online degree) and want to continue on to a Bachelor’s degree you may find that none of those credits you have earned will transfer to any other college or university because the online university you went to is not appropriately accredited. Your degree may end up being worthlessl. You don’t want to be in that position.

      Some of these fraudulent online universities SAY they are accredited, but they just make up a bogus name for the accreditation and register it as being from some place like the Bahamas or other offshore locations but bury that somewhere on their website. Don’t take their word for anything. Check with the US Department of Education regarding which regional accreditations are accepted in your area, and whether that college is actually appropriately accredited. Also, call a state college or established university in your area that you may be interested in continuing your education at and ask them if they would take credits from that particular online program. It’s up to them which credits they will accept, even if the program you went through is accredited, so it’s worth checking.

      Also, some online universities advertise that they are indeed accredited by accepted standard accrediting bodies, and will list those on their splash page, but the truth is that they have only APPLIED for accreditation, so basically they are lying and your degree, again, will be worthless. I was serving as an interim Dean of Nursing for awhile and had to fire three of my Masters degree faculty because they had gotten their Masters degree from a school that listed fraudulently that they were accredited by the National League of Nursing and also by a regional university accrediting body, neither of which was true. So, basically these faculty members had put in all the work for a master’s degree from what they were told was an accredited college only to find out that their degrees were worthless because the college lied to them and took an enormous amount of tuition from them under false pretenses. I felt just terrible about having to terminate them, but I had to because they no longer met the required qualifications for the job under our accreditation requirements.

      6.) Most colleges have employment services if you would rather work at the college that you want to attend instead of your current job. If you can get employment on campus in the same area as the subject you are choosing to major in, that would be great because you can make some great contacts and do some networking that will give you support and help you navigate your way through your major.

      7.) Have faith and confidence in yourself….you absolutely can do this. As I told you yesterday, I have had nursing students get a nursing degree against incredible odds, and nursing is one of the most demanding university degrees that you can get because of the massive amount of clinical hours and the difficult curriculum. I have seen tremendous successes from students whose family were not around at all to help. I’ve had students go through on welfare, some who were homeless, many who had really tough life situations, so I have seen first hand that it can be done, and I am in awe of these students.

      8.) Ask for help if you need it, no one makes it through this life without help from others at times.

      Sorry this was so long, I hope it helped. I’m up so late that I don’t know if you will read this, so I will direct you to it tomorrow or re-post it for you. Remember, YOU CAN DO THIS….don’t be afraid, be audacious !! Life is not a deal where you should just “settle” for something, you deserve to soar and find your true happiness.

      • MissCandle

        Wow, Derek really does have kind and thoughtful friends here!

      • Juicer77

        Excellent advice, Kay!

    • ithilien

      Get an online degree over time

      • Missionary Kid

        I disagree. The difference between an online degree and one from a brick and mortar school, or at least one that requires some physical attendance is usually vast. I’m not opposed to online courses, but the interchange IRL is important, and has more impact. In education, as in real life, face to face communication is a more complete way of communication.

        Of course, I got my degree the old fashioned way, before anything was offered online. I agree that some courses could be better taught online, but, to me, often times what is not said or done in class but by outside interaction with other students and the instructor can have more create more learning. It’s the difference between operating a flight simulator and actually piloting a plane.

    • StudiusJudius

      Sorry this is such a late reply Derek. I have a college degree. I recommend you get one. I also recommend that you get one from a real brick and mortar college. It’s not just that online degrees generally aren’t considered as good, but also that you want the social interaction of attending class.

      First find out what you think you want to do, and then try to find job listings in that field. See how many jobs are available, what they pay, what kind of school they require. Basically, do some damn research to see if the degree you want to get is going to be worth it.

      Once you have a good idea of what degree you want, then pick a school. It’s kinda tough to pick the right school, but again, do some research. Look into that schools’ graduate placement stats for the past few years. Sure Harvard and MIT are going to have good stats, but try not to shoot to high. You want to find a school that you can afford, and will accept you.

      As for paying…. Beg, borrow, but don’t steal. Take out loans. Yes it’s terrifying. Most student loans don’t require payments until you are no longer a full time student. (maybe even part-time student, not sure on that, it’s been 20 years for me)

      When you finally get done and get your degree, great job btw, then find a job, and start paying back those student loans. Yes, it may take 20 years. But trust me, it’s worth every bit of effort.

      • Qbird

        yes, without one you got nothing – with one you have beaucoup opportunities. That’s the ticket!

    • aquaclara

      Love that you are planning your future, Mr. Derek. You can do this, and there are a couple of ways. First, only pick accredited, non-profit schools. You can in all likelihood do a combination of online coursework and classroom coursework for the first two years, which might work best with your work schedule. Look at the schools in Texas and near you now — peruse the course catalogs, see what kinds of majors you might be interested in. Talk to the advisors at the schools.
      See what courses will likely transfer (often, core courses will transfer between schools) if you decide to do a combination of things. Adult learners are excellent candidates for every college, because they want to be there, take it seriously, and add substantially to the class discussions. And talk to them about scholarships. You have a lot of options, from community college for the first two years, to the most competitive out there. Pick what works for you. If you can knock off even a year’s worth of core classes as a lower-cost school, it will save you quite a bit of money.
      If you decide on the full four year stint, see if the school has summer classes, too– you could save time by not skipping summers, which might let you get done in 3 years instead of 4, saving you some money.
      Mr. Clara went to a very good school nights for many years, and it was hard, but paid off in spades, so this can work, too. It’s hard, but easier financially.
      Good luck to you!

  • Since media seems to be the topic, did anyone see The Ellen interview with the Ghostbusters cast and Scientology was mentioned: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6HE0yTalnk – I try to keep up with you all, but if someone already posted about it, forgive me. I had a great laugh watching it.

    • JaxNGold

      Hilarious!! Thanks for posting that 😆

    • Kay

      Funny !!!!

  • Khalil

    Hello everybody,
    I am a citizen who is arrested and tortured by psychiatrists. I am from another continent (a small country in north africa). I heard about scientology two years ago and I am happy to see scientology attacking psychiatry. Most people say that psychiatry is invincible, but I think if we join forces we can defeat psychiatry. How can I help to destroy psychiatry ?

    • Scream Nevermore

      Wrong site for that dude.

    • JaxNGold

      Umm, is this sarcasm?

      • Ella Raitch

        3 comments….smells like a troll

    • OOkpik

      You posted a similarly-worded comment about the same time yesterday, although your command of English has mysteriously improved since then.
      Give it up, Khalil.

    • Baby

      Refresh

      • Kay

        Hi baby……guess you’re still up as well? I am a night owl, always have been. It annoys people sometimes, but hey what can I say, I gotta be me !!

        Loved your pics from Howdy Con, and your comments. You just make me laugh, and you are such a refreshing person, I hope we can both make it to Howdycon next year. I never did quite get the reference to your bra incident however……but then again I couldn’t get periscope to work.

        • Baby

          HI Kay.. I am going to bed.. Yep Night Owl ! Thank you so much.. What a great time we all had.. I really hope you can make it to Denver next year..

          When I looked into the computer you could see my bra under my black top.. Good God.. ha… xo baby ..night ..see you in 8 hrs.

      • Kay

        Hey guys, is it me or is that a goat with horns and a bell around it’s neck in the above picture rather than a dog? I can’t find my reading glasses, but can make out enough to tell that doesn’t look like any dog I’ve ever seen.

        • OOkpik

          Throw the reading glasses away; you’re doing fine without them. 🙂

          • Kay

            Laugh !!!

        • ithilien

          If you cant see the pcture howbyou gonna read the responses?

      • Juicer77

        What a nice man. LOL

      • Juicer77

        f5

        • Baby

          OMG hahahhahahah.. Juice so cute…( Next year Denver Missy)

          • Juicer77

            Yes, ma’am. 😉

            • Baby

              OH Yippie Skippie

    • TheMirrorThetan

      OMG REALLY??? ME TOO!!!!!!!!!111
      Perhaps if you copy paste that comment a few MORE times it will help.
      Another tosser for my block list.

      • Kay

        Laugh !

    • Kay

      Well Khalil……I don’t believe a word you say, no matter how many times you post this.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Thanks to Fly for this reply…
      (refresh)

    • Justmeteehee

      Again?? Nobody bit at this nonsense yesterday. My BS-o-meter is on high.

  • Kay

    Hello everybody,

    I am being held prisoner by psychiatrists in Nigeria. They have told me that if I can raise $5,000 by next wednesday they will spare my life. Please be so kind as to send any and all donations to my bank account so that my life may be spared. Even five dollars will help, if you can send five dollars several times, it would be even better. My uncle will pay all of you back as soon as he is back in our village from his travels as a most wealthy and esteemed businessman.
    Thank most sincerely,
    Khalil

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I’m sorry I don’t have $5. But I do have some touch assists, a half used bottle of CalMag and a cat-urine soaked copy of Dianetics I can send if that will help save you. 🙂

      • Kay

        OH thank you, you are so very compassionate. Please be so kind to slip a few bills inside of the eminent book of Dianetics if you can, that would be most helpful. I can find someone here to touch me, but if you can add loose change to the CalMag bottle I would find this to be a source of happiness !
        Best regards

        • TheMirrorThetan

          I have slipped some bills into the eminent book, and it is already on its way. Are my internet, electricity and credit card bills enough ?

    • FredEX2

      LOL

    • OOkpik

      Hello Khalil.
      Please post your bank account # so we know where to send money.

      • Kay

        I shall be glad to post it. It is in a country I believe is called Switzerland? I believe it is much cold there. My bank account is DM, Clearwater Inc. # 157396029-2938475647-29384756372 They accept wire transfers of all kinds, and even genuine gold jewelry of which I am hoping you have much.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Here’s a photo of the Nigerian Youth for Human Rights office. I kid you not. Nigeria & the CO$, a marriage made in scam heaven.

      • Kay

        Wow !! Who knew ??? That IS a marriage made in scam heaven !!

  • Juicer77

    Best wishes to those UK citizens who are casting their votes today on EU status. Exercise your right to vote. Make your voice heard.

    • Graham

      Mrs G and I have postal votes and voted last week!

      • Juicer77

        Nicely done! Which reminds me, I need to get our absentee ballots for a certain godawful election…

    • jazzlover

      Watch this if ever you need a chuckle or two 😉

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8

      • Scream Nevermore

        I do find some of his views on Brexiters to be a tad irritating, bordering on the offensive. One can only assume that as he does not live here, and hasn’t done for quite some time, he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about. The UK has tried to get the EU to agree to reforms to address the issues that are being raised. They are not interested in reform. In fact, the situation is not unlike that which led to the American revolution – no taxation without representation!

        • jazzlover

          Complete accuracy or not, I think his whole purpose is to get us to laugh at things that we (and others) take way too seriously. He brings up many problems in the US that are obvious problems. As an American who sees too much “obvious”, I can tell you that laughing about it all is much better than drinking myself into a stupor continually. My liver will thank me (and him) later 😉

      • Juicer77

        The world’s Ringo!!! How dare he! LOL

        • jazzlover

          How ’bout that song though? LOL

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Or 3 or 25 chuckles.

  • Abracadab

    Not a big fan of Scientology (to put it mildly), but also not a big fan of Government-level totalitarian regimes. So I’m not sure who I’m rooting for here.

  • Todd Tomorrow