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Nearly four years after Stacy Murphy’s death, Scientology files motion to kill much of lawsuit

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It’s been nearly four years since Stacy Dawn Murphy, 20, was found dead at Scientology’s flagship drug rehab center, Narconon Arrowhead, in Oklahoma. Two other patients at the clinic had died in just the previous nine months, but it was Stacy’s death that particularly shocked local and national media, leading to a new focus on the problems at Scientology’s rehabs.

The lawsuits in those other Narconon Arrowhead deaths of 2011 and 2012, of Gabriel Graves and Hillary Holten, have been settled. But the lawsuit filed by the parents of Stacy Murphy — Robert Murphy and Tonya White — not only hasn’t been resolved, now two of the defendants in the case have asked Judge Jim D. Bland to grant them summary judgment.

Narconon International (NI) and the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), the two Scientology umbrella groups which license and oversee Narconon clinics, have submitted a lengthy brief to the court, asking the court to find for them without having to go to trial. They argue that Murphy and White have not been able to prove the assertion in their complaint, that NI and ABLE not only license Narconon centers but also exert enough control over them to have been liable in Stacy Murphy’s death.

Stacy, who had struggled with a serious drug addiction, had managed to procure prescription pills on a home visit from the clinic. When she returned to the Narconon, staff observed that she was obviously high, and so they put her into Arrowhead’s “withdrawal unit” — and then left her unattended for hours. She was then found dead. The lawsuit alleges that Narconon had promised that it had medical staff on hand, which turned out not to be the case, and led, Murphy and White believe, to their daughter’s death.

But Narconon International and ABLE say they shouldn’t be held liable for what happened at a clinic they merely license, and don’t run on a day to day basis. We asked attorney Scott Pilutik his thoughts about the argument that NI and ABLE make in this motion….

It would take someone to really dig through the facts to spot the weakness of their argument (and you’ll get that when plaintiffs respond). I’m going to guess, however, that the problems start with the section titled “Uncontroverted Facts,” which is a term usually reserved for facts that the parties stipulate to so they don’t have to be continually argued. But some of those read like the sort of statements that plaintiffs are going to want to contest (e.g., #28., “NI does not have any authority to recommend disciplinary action in regard to an Arrowhead employee.”). Many of these facts are innocuous and many are legalistic truths which fall apart in practice, which is the distinction that underlies plaintiffs’ entire case.

Similarly, the other sections appear to make arguments contingent on assumptions I doubt plaintiffs are ready to concede.

The big issue, as is the case in all agency cases, is one of control, and what evidence demonstrates that control. ABLE and NI maintain a formal relationship with franchises like Arrowhead, sure, but is that really control? ABLE/NI are correct that licensing agreements do not amount to “control” but the relationship between the entities is more complicated than is typically found between licensor and licensee, because the entities are pressured to perform — think of the statistics and reports that pass between the entities, with ABLE/NI having the ability to bring the hammer down on any entity not pulling their weight. When the franchises have so little autonomy, it’s disingenuous for the parent corp to say, “Well, we don’t control day to day operations, so we’re not liable.” The goings-on of NN franchises are tightly scripted and it’s within the parameters of that script that so many people are dying. It’s not like, say, people suing Burger King Inc for food poisoning that was the fault of one particular BK. Extending that analogy, imagine all the Burger King franchises following instructions to the letter and people were still getting food poisoning.

But those are generalized thoughts about NNs and agency, not this particular case. Showing it is obviously more difficult.

We’ll be interested in your thoughts about this document and its volumes of evidence attached, which include portions from depositions of Narconon officials that we haven’t previously seen. For document hounds, this is a pretty good haul…

 

Murphy v. Narconon: Defendants NI and ABLE MSJ

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Ken Kramer, whom we’ve run into before, has a new strategem in his war against the evil psychs…

 
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And here are some examples Ken has been able to garner so far…

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 21, 2016 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • flyonthewall

    JohnnyTank – I didn’t put enough effort into making sure we hung out during Howdycon. This was very bad of me and I’m ashamed and sorry.

    • CK

      Jeez Louise, whoever didn’t attend HowdyCon missed out, eh?

    • Jimmy3

      flyonthewall – I had a good chance to push you into Lake Erie and I blew it. This was very bad of me and I’m ashamed and sorry.

      • And I failed to punch you in the dick. Sorry.

        • Jimmy3

          One of my favorite parts of HowdyCon was that when I first met you, you didn’t immediately hit me. Thank you buddy.

          • You looked like baby Jesus walking towards me, I just couldn’t.

            • Jimmy3

              Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. But first, let me bum a cigarette. Reach in and fish one out of your pocket for me.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              I follow and obey, Master…
              … small problem, though-monkey cigarettes tend to be made from rolling tobacco and a special blend of sooper seecrit herbs and spices… will this be acceptable Mr Messiah, sir?! 😉

            • Jimmy3

              I did mean to bum one of those fags from you but I didn’t know how to ask

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              No worries-monkey was very shy of offering that sort of thing to anyone, not knowing who *ahem* smoked or not…

            • Vaquera

              I thought it was hilarious when you were giving me your deets by writing them on a rolling paper. That one is going in my scrapbook.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              They make great impromptu post-it notes… and about one fifth of the price 🙂 (and I can guarantee that I’ll have some on me!)

            • Vaquera

              Are you on Twitter?

            • burythenuts

              R U on the bunker?

            • Vaquera

              More than I’d comfortably admit. 🙂

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              I am, but I check it less than my Facebook! @sciencemonkey. (prolly ought to check, it could be an underscore instead of a period!)It’s an underscore, just checked 🙂

          • That was my biggest regret.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            The only way I can top that is by immediately hitting you when I first meet you.

      • flyonthewall

        so that’s why you kept asking about the manual override!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I hope someone throws this in the trash.

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Sorry LRH. I may be a pirate woman–but I’m not working on your #Scientology boat. •••This was hanging in my apt building entrance tonight. I used to live a few blocks away from one of the main centers in Hollywood. Never thought I would see this in Nashville!This city is full! Y’all can go home now.” #newnashville

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BG3hVvuNy49/

    • flyonthewall

      why would a SO recruitment poster be hanging in a wog apt building? They’ve gone completely crazy

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It’s made to look like a coast guard recruitment. I wonder if the word “scientology” is even anywhere on it.

        • flyonthewall

          I can see the headlines now – SHANGHAIED BY SCIENTOLOGY!

      • Juicer77

        Joke?

        • flyonthewall

          yeah could be

    • Graham

      “LRH was in the Sea Org”. Yep; sharing the rice and beans alongside all his ship-mates.

  • sizzle8

    News about ex-Sheriff Baca:

    Ex-LA sheriff convicted in corruption probe has Alzheimer’s
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-la-sheriff-convicted-corruption-probe-alzheimers-140658231.html?nhp=1

    • Jimmy3

      Standard mafia defense. Uncle Junior would be proud.

    • That’s convenient.
      Its like “Waldheimer’s”, where you forget you were a Nazi.

    • Now Miscavige will have to find more cops with Alzheimer’s.

    • Sherbet

      Now he can start his own Criminon group within the prison walls.

    • burythenuts

      Hmmmmm, as someone who had to deal with Alzheimer’s with both parents (15 years apart), I am still not sure how I feel about hearing this and it’s impact on his sentencing.

  • George Layton

    Does she get 20$ for this shot?

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      The guy in the second photo with the dual monitors got $20. $5 went to the Simpson’s production company for the trademarked bald spot, $5 for the second monitor, and $5 more since he said he’d bring in his son/daughter Bart to help out.

      Then again, the guy in the 4th photo only got $2.50 to start because they had to photoshop out the bloody hatchet from the table next to the computer and the murder from his eyes. Then they ended up giving the $2.50 back when they saw his internet signal is run by an antenna in the back- clear proof of its Marcab origin, which makes him special

  • edge

    Reading a lot of Raw Story today. #TrumpSoPoor he’s going to borrow TP from a Scientology org.

  • Anyone hear from Vaquera?
    She reported clawing at a rash last night.
    I’m itching to know.

    • Knowing Vaquera, she will make that sorry ass rash running away in tears.

    • Baby

      Shorpy.. OMG.. Had I met you in my youth we could have gotten into some serious trouble.. In fact I truly don’t think I would be alive today had that happened ..

      You are mush. Seriously .. A true Hipster not the fake ones running around today..

      but I watched as you listened to the music.. and you were in a different place in your head. You were just swept away with the tunes. You can’t fake that shit.

      I can easily imagine you just being at home and just jammin .. and just being right where ya want to be. Not everyone can do that.

      Now you are going to come back with Snark.. but I looked in your soul when I finally met you. I know. Let’s leave it at that.. You care about people .. and you are a Good Guy. And I really really care for you too..xo

      • I kid because I love.

        • Gertrudis

          Edit to delete dumb comment.

          note to self: Think, then post.

          • Lotta baggage and conclusions there, but I’m glad you were able to be with us. Literally, or virtually. And virtually literally.

            • Gertrudis

              Felicitations.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Pretty good motto. I am gonna run with it

    • Yes.

      • Baby

        DoDo..

        You and Mrs. Dodo.. stole my heart.

        You have Mac’s quiet strength and sweet soul . You are possibly the most handsome man that I have met in real life.

        I spent more time with Mrs. Dodo than with you and she matches your sweetness and she is just darling. Funny and just so comfortable to be with.. like you.. She told us some great stories.. loved them.

        I could have smacked Tony when he said you were quiet that night.. Good Lord. I would not change one NOT One thing about you. We people who are over the top need someone to entertain for God’s sake.

        I was matched with a guy with my personality in my youth and OMG I just thought all night in my head.. ” SHUT UP.. ARE YOU WITH ME OR ARE YOU RUNNING FOR OFFICE..OMG how obnoxious. So people take me in smaller doses.

        People can handle you in Large doses.. Fabulous way to live your life.

        I watched you talk to everyone. Everyone you talked to had a smile on their face. You put so much heart into HowdyCon. Such a pleasure to meet you and your wife and your Guest..

        ( OMG he was hilarious..hahahhaha) love baby

        • Wow. Thank you, Baby. <3

          • Baby

            You are welcome Dodo..It was an honor and a privilege to meet you and Mrs Dodo.. ( and your friend D ) <3 night and yawn. xo

            • Same here. You are international treasure. Sweet dreams.

            • Baby

              Awwwwww … : D

        • Mrs Dodo just read your post and totally loves it and says you are very cool and she loved being around you.

          • Baby

            Awww thank you for sharing Dodo.. that means a lot to me. You guys made such a stunning couple. You tall and dark..and her petite and blonde..

            You definitely stood out in a crowd. Tell Mrs. Dodo I said Thank You!

    • Graham

      Absolutely feckin’ brilliant!

    • just another guy out there

      I don’t need the WBC to tell me that God hates me. I figured that out years ago!

      • Kim O’Brien

        They hate you for your long hair …ya damn hippie 😉 I still think that you were one of these guys ..in disguise . ( refresh for pics )

        • just another guy out there

          Depends on if your talkin’ about Friday night or Saturday night.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i loved chatting with you ! Next year …be here . Teach a class at the improv and write it all off !

            • just another guy out there

              I’ll do my best. Had too much fun this time not to try to be there next year.

            • Kim O’Brien
      • Oh hi! It was pleasure to meet you.

        • just another guy out there

          Likewise Dodo.

      • Illinoisian

        Loved every minute of your story of taking on CoS. Where would we be without strong minded people like you? (And who do it with a sense of humor.)

        • just another guy out there

          It was a pleasure speaking with both of you. You two made me miss my midwestern roots.Hope to see you in Denver.

    • Baby

      Kim O’Brian.. You are as ornery in life as I thought you were. Feisty beautiful woman with a shit eatin grin on your face. You are one of those women that I can say has made a difference in the world. I don’t say that lightly.

      You truly are an inspiration.. You are like a Smore .. Your adventures through life has made you wise with your guard up when needed.. But you are so sweet and mushy in the inside when your guard is down. Loved meeting you.

      ( PS.. FUCK YOU..)

      • Kim O’Brien

        Fuck ya right back hot stuff . Oh ..i’m moving in with you ( just fyi ) LOL

        • Baby

          I truly don’t believe this Island can handle the 2 of us.. So it looks like I’ll have to move..xo

      • Kim O’Brien

        hugs

    • That is particularly powerful coming from a church.
      Pastor Garner, a deep bow to you sir.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • flyonthewall

      that guy is a complete asshole

      eta – being contrarian or whatever is one thing but he’s telling people it’s cheap and effective. Wtf is wrong with him?

      • Baby

        Fly .. Meeting You and Fly Lady and Fly babies .. were one of the high lights of my trip.

        You all are the true embodiment of what a beautiful loving family should aspire to be… As I was flitting around trying to talk with everyone.. I would glance over to you guys and watch you laugh and smile.. and hold and kiss the girls..

        and I just smiled and just warmed my heart. That unit of 4 .. Fly… You got it all buddy. Beautiful family.. And let me tell you.. Fly has the most beautiful eyes of any person I have ever met.

        • Illinoisian

          ^^^^^^^ Lovely to see loving family.

          • Baby

            Lincoln. OMG You and Mr. Lincoln.. I told you over and over.. 2 peas in a pod.. NEVER have Ii seen a couple more perfect for each other.

            It was like seeing a walking salt and pepper shaker.. ( Mrs Lincoln the more spicy pepper..ha..and Mr. wasn’t salt but sugar.. sweet, sweet both of them.

            The hit of the party and the top of conversations. The perfect match. Together 45 years..

            I asked them if they ever fight and both replied together.. ” YES!” Such a hoot to see you guys…xo

        • flyonthewall

          Thnx Baby! (why do I feel dirty saying that?) Meeting you was very exciting for me too. I am very blessed. We are actually a unit of 6, boys were at camp 🙂 It would of been way too cramped in the car for all of us now that they’re bigger (13&11) so it was better this way but I hope you and the rest of the bunker crew can meet them one day.

          • Baby

            Ha..

            Oh I would love to meet the boys..Hopefully next year.. ( Start Saving)

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Drag ’em all to Denver-Bunker wants to meet complete fly clan! (and the world would be a better place if all larval offspring were brought up fly style 🙂 )

            • flyonthewall

              ha!

          • Kim O’Brien

            lemme know what weeks work better to have the gaggle here in the summer . We got some cool shit here bro. And my kid can baby sit 😉

            • flyonthewall

              I don’t think I can make it next yr *cringe* Plz don’t hit me! We’ll be going to San Francisco in the fall and we can’t afford to have 2 vacations in the same yr 🙁

              We’re going to take a 3 day train ride from Chicago to San Fran! Through deserts, mtns and everything. Then spend a few days in SF and fly back. Going to be epic.

              If something changes with that and we can’t do it then I’ll let you know but for now I don’t see Denver happening.

            • Kestrel

              Selfishly, I hope you can find a way to make it.

            • flyonthewall

              🙂

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Curses!

            • Kim O’Brien

              i need to absorb this 🙁 I did not even get a chance to chat with your better half . I plan on finding my keys and then winning the lottery …so , in THEORY ….IF you could come out here and have 2 trips , lemme know what months would be better . Just in case …

            • flyonthewall

              *nods* First or second wk of June or last 2 weeks of August are good. That’s when the kids are either not yet left or coming back from summer camp.

          • Oh hell no. 2 boys AND 2 girls.
            Groucho told one such father, “I like a cigar, too, but I take it out of my mouth once in a while.”
            Happy belated Father’s Day.
            And as I told all the Fathers I saw, “Hang on, its going to be a bumpy ride.”

            • flyonthewall

              thank you sir!

        • Liberated

          You are so sweet, I would have loved meeting you.

          • Baby

            Lib.. Oh thank you.. I do have my moments of sweetness.. ( smooches)

            I hope you can make it next year sweetheart..xo I would have loved to meet you too .. Crazy time.. ( CRAY CRAY)

        • Fly Lady

          That’s so sweet!! Everybody keeps saying all this nice stuff about us, I wish it could be Howdy Con everyday!! Fly won’t tell you, but he was sooooo excited to see everybody! I’ll tell you, though, because he called me a troll today. 😉

          • Baby

            Hahahaha OMG Fly Lady.. YOU keep your butt on the Bunker.. WE LOVE YOU.. Those fantastic great kids didn’t turn out that way by accident.

            It takes so much energy, sacrifice and love .. What loving and attentive parents you are. Give those little flies a kiss from me and tell them that the shark outfit was the HIT OF THE NIGHT. HAHHAHAHA..

            We know it was so hot..but they were such troopers. You and fly are made for each other. WOW.. and girl you should be drinkin doubles..

            He has got to be like one of the kids to you..Jeeze how immature can One Fly be? Seriously..hahahhahaa So like Mac you are the Designated adult.. xo

      • Maybe he lives in the Kingdom of Oppositia where cheap is incredibly expensive and effective is utterly useless.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Hollywood apparently, so yeah, close enough…

          • I’m listening to this and getting the feeling that he’s mostly making this shit up for attention.

      • April

        He woke up in Bizarro World and hasn’t made it back to reality yet.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    🙁
    (refresh)

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Come one come all.

    • burythenuts

      Taco’s???

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Everybody likes Father Todd”s Ortega Tacos.

        • burythenuts

          Todd Honey….Taco’s are my forte.
          I need proof of Todd’s tacos?
          Ortega? NOPE…he can claim a kinda shitty hot sauce……….AND SOME DAMN RIGHT ON JOURNALISM ON SCIENTOLOGY….

          But Taco’s? NO WAY.

          SORRY DAD!!

          • Todd Tomorrow

            We are on a tight budget and the donation plate is optional.

    • I knew you were special.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Bless you my child. This weeks sermon is” The more you live the less you die”

  • Baby

    OMG… Finally can get on computer. Forget the phone shit.. can’t do it. So I am back in action.

    I am not mentioning anyone’s name in my post I will comment to them in individual comments because I did NOT have a special connection with one person. It was ALL .. and as phony as that sounds it is the truth. So if I were to mention someone now..or a small group of people I would leave someone out.. and I wouldn’t want to make anyone feel bad.

    Maybe it is my age..and I know that these feelings are not superficial. It is truly surreal what I am feeling now. The same feelings I had felt with the fabulous critics in the past that I connected with immediately. ( Again no mention of names because I will leave someone out)

    Long night last night .. Got home at almost 2 am because of flight delay.. So happy to be home with Mac and my babies.. But as Eliza Doolittle sang so beautifully..

    ” I Could Have Danced All Night..and still have Begged for More..” I didn’t want to go to sleep.. Apparently I didn’t want to wake up either..hahahah

    And to top it all off.. Jesus Jolynn The Cavs bringing it home.. I hugged and kissed so many people in the streets I was thrilled I didn’t wake up with Cold Sores.

    For all those who went to HowdyCon.. I told each and every person how much they mean to me.
    For all those who did NOT attend HowdyCon I hope that you know how much you mean to me.

    You all have changed my life for the better. You just have no Idea.

    I have not read Tony’s blog since I left for Cleveland. I have a lot of catching up to do. Please forgive me if I haven’t responded to a comment. I am Pooped today.. Exhausted with a big smile on my face and the memories will last for the rest of my life… love baby

    • Observer

      <3

      • Baby

        Obs. You are exactly as I would have thought you would be. Thoughtful.. Sweet.. When I hugged you I could have melted in your arms. I know that sounds corny..but I truly mean it. So glad that we finally got to meet.

        Thank you for just being our Obs. and Congrats for Your Being the Shoop Queen of the Bunker..What an Honor. Love baby

    • Well, I totes fell for you over Periscope. You’re exactly the Baby I imagined a Baby would be. I hope to get a real hug in Denver next year!

      • Baby

        Artoo.. When Shorpy set up the Periscope I thought everyone was going to say Hello and talk and entertain you all.. and make you feel like you were there.. For God’s sake… I did everything in my power to get everyone up to that computer..

        Now you can lead a horse..blah..blah, blah.. but I felt like a big old Attention Seeking Hog..but Good Lord.. How entertaining for you guys to see a bunch of Bunkerroos in the background having conversations that you weren’t privileged to.. Jeeze..

        So that’s why I kept going up to the Camera.. If I could have dragged all you guys into the screen I would have..So I risked my reputation.. for you guys. xo

        • MaxSpaceman

          you helped ‘M.C.’ the thing to the viewing audience. Very thoughtful and considerate of ya.

          good, show 🙂

          • Baby

            Oh Max.. Thank you.. I really really couldn’t eat ( apparently that’s all I did during the speeches) until I felt that all of you were included..

            I would always say to Shorpy.. ” Is this still on? How come no one is talking into it..”
            I got so close..hahahhahaa.. Thank you honey..xox

        • burythenuts

          You are just too awesome, girrrl.

          • Baby

            Bury I will NOT take NO for an answer next year.. Everyone asked about you.. and said they wanted to meet you and Mama Dee.. “So Book ‘ Em Dano ” for next year. Love and miss you..xoxoxox

            • burythenuts

              Don’t worry.
              I am definitely going. My mind is already made up.
              I love Colorado.
              My jealousy is hitting maximum temperature.
              And I am going to go to Glenwood Springs for a couple of days after HowdyCon 2 to chill out in some hot water (ignore the contradiction).

            • Baby

              OH Yippie.. OH hell yes I will chill in hot H20

            • Kim O’Brien

              the train from downtown can take you right up there . The new train from DIA all the way to Union Station …is so freaking cool .

            • burythenuts

              I saw the signs for it and wondered.

              My husband is all for moving to Leadville!
              He used to live in Parachute during Black Sunday (On Battlement Mesa) and he drug me back into what is now…”fracking canyon USA”.

              But I did get pictures of some lovely deer.

        • Kestrel

          Glad I got to meet you. You’re so much fun to be around. And the hugs? Wow!

          • Baby

            Oh Kes.. You are so sweet and funny.. NOT in a let me tell you a joke funny.. Just the type of humor that I love. Situational humor.

            and handsome and easy to hug..

            You are coming to Denver.. Absolutely.. Crazy Surreal Time.. I am still recovering.. ha

            • Kestrel

              I’ll be in Denver if I have to use my wings to fly there.

            • Baby

              OH Yay.. I will be waiting for you.. smooches..

            • Kestrel

              Smooches? YES! Squees? Not so much.

            • Baby

              hahahhaa

        • Yeah, lack of interaction with the camera was a bit weird, but that’s understandable that people were just grooving with each other in person. I’m a ham, so I’d probably have been nudging you out of the camera all the time, plus you just KNOW Mindscavenge was watching and throwing things the whole time. 🙂

          • Baby

            OH Good Artoo next year it’s your turn..hahahha

            Yes.. everyone was just really bonding.. I love that I could have possibly been pissing 4’13 off.. Love it!

        • Gertrudis

          Baby — We stuck at home watching the HowdyCam are so glad you did! I was lovin’ every minute of it … it wouldn’t have been the same without you. Thank you for being your outgoing, generous self.

          • Baby

            Well hello little fur baby..

            I am so glad to hear that.. I just kept watching for others to talk to you all and nuthin..

            There is nothing in between with me.. I could have had a panic attack or went with the flow while being with a group..

            I was so comfortable that my anxiety level was at 0 .. xoxo thank you honey..

            • Gertrudis

              That is so great to hear (very glad you didn’t have a panic attack!) and thank you again for being so open and fun on HowdyCam. You really made it special. Don’t know about anyone else but I just wanted to reach through the computer and give you a hug, and then pull you on through so I could party with you for a while (yeah, jealous).

            • Baby

              Awww you are so sweet. I would have loved to be sitting with you on your couch having a beer… and then flying back through the screen to HowdyCon.. xox

              I am so glad I didn’t hole up in my Hotel room .. seriously I have done that when I should have been mingling with conference attendees ..

              This was so surreal.. I felt immediately bonded with everyone.. Mac kept texting me.. ” Are you OK..? Sweetheart do you need a break? ”

              So sweet.. all of the Bunkeroos took such good care of me.. Escorting me to and from.. helping me over the curb.. etc. My balance is somewhat off due to a condition..but was well taken care of.

    • Awww, so sweet Baby!

      • Baby

        Next Year Nat.. I will not let you get away.. Congrats on your new job though honey.. xo

    • Beth

      I was glued to the screen on saturday night and I loved your periscope hostess-ing. I kept wanting to chew on your ponytail – I was sure it would taste like spun sugar. I know that sounds weird, but, at the time, I think Andrea was trying to lick your face from the other side of the Atlantic. We were all in the moment <3. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and giant heart, Baby. Denver. Hugs. xo

      • Baby

        Beth.. I swear to Gawd.. I think we should all Just get the Biggest Vehicle to lease and haul all our asses off to Denver picking up Bunkeroos along the way.. What a blast we would have.. ha

        • Beth

          yesssssssssss

      • Baby

        Thank you so very much for your compliments.. Let’s see spun sugar? OMG…I didn’t bring a flat iron so it was more like cut glass.. with a foot of split ends.. ha…

        Awww Betty.. such a sweetheart too.. sigh.. Love you guys and wish you were there with us..

    • Baby, I told you that you are a superstar.
      You may not know it but you broke the internet.
      (Here’s a start, there are three)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBOQb3y1L8Q

    • TexasBroad

      Baby, Baby, Baby….I had a blast with you! Thank you for being so….Baby! You made made laugh so hard and you are a sweetie. 🙂

      • Baby

        Broad.. OMG I spent a lot of time with you and I know that HowdyCon wouldn’t have been the same without you And Di stepping in.

        That said.. I am so thrilled that I met you.. Just thrilled. You are one special woman. Just a tiny bit, but You added so much. I couldn’t imagine one person NOT falling madly in love with you.

        I want to come to your shop so bad.. your wardrobe was to Die for. Smooches.. love me. ( PS sorry I made you stay up so late..ooops)

        • TexasBroad

          I wouldn’t have traded my time with you for sleep ever!

  • here’s my O/T (but not really) quandary of the day and only YOU can help…

    I recently found out that there’s an ex-Scn Faceballs group called Ministry of Flying Ducks. as many of you (should) know, and no disrespect at all to anyone in that group, I have nothing to do w/ them. so, I’m wondering:

    a) is my screen name confusing to any of you out there in Bunkeritaville because of this?

    b) should I change my screen name (I’ve been using it in various places online for about 15yrs, but willing to change it out of respect) to avoid any possible confusion for new lurkers/exes/Feds*wink*/etc?

    • Snippy_X

      Do succulent ducks fly?

      • not very well or they wouldn’t end up being so succulent

        • OOkpik

          I hope that doesn’t mean that you’re a sitting duck. If so, may you always be a lucky duck.

          Your handle is just fine the way it is.

          • thanks, OO! (i liked that you changed your eyes to green over the weekend ;P if i wasn’t in black&white you’d have seen mine were, too) i really don’t have an affinity to ducks, and not even much of a fan of flying, but do seem to have a bit of luck on my side when it comes to the crunch.

            • FredEX2

              Instead of ‘SucculentDuck’ how about ‘DeliciousChicken@’ 🐓

              What? !!!! Why not? It’s a perfectly fine name.

          • FredEX2

            I was once a ‘sitting duck’ before,
            But now I’m not one anymore.

            OMG It rhymes! Maybe I’m becoming talented like Pan.

            What do you mean by “Never!” ???

          • Gertrudis

            sitting duck

            • OOkpik

              So cute…and there’s Mrs. and Mr. Fly on the Wall.
              Ah, the good life!

        • Rasha

          …and no Peking!!! That’s cheating!

      • burythenuts

        Right onto the plate!!!

        Fork, please 🙂

    • flyonthewall

      A. No
      B. No

    • Kim O’Brien

      do they think you are asking them to …well ..ya know …suck your duck ?

      • haha, i dunno, but there were quite a few raised eyebrows from the finer folks around here when i started to comment at the end of last year

        • Kim O’Brien

          your fine . Don’t change a thing

          • you’re pretty fine, yourself, and it’s official… the name remains the same

    • Observer

      No and no.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I don’t give a Flying Duck what you call yourself, as long as we know it is you. leave it alone.

      • i’ve officially Ducked myself and will now leave it alone before it gets infected

        • Justmeteehee

          Passing you a bandaid. Depending on your comment I either picture a fat, juicy Peking duck or a rubber ducky and I’m a fan of both!

          • that’s sweet, teehee, thank you. i slapped a little zinc ointment on it (the bandaid, not my duck) and i’m good as new!

        • jazzlover
          • *secret handshake* it’s never my intention to take these words too seriously 😉 just wanted to make sure i wasn’t ruffling any more feathers than necessary out there

            • jazzlover

              Nah, you’re cool. But listen to those lyrics. They apply 😉

            • they sure do! it’s the “hidden” details in your posts, like these lyrics, that keep me coming back to see if i can put your puzzle pieces together.

            • jazzlover

              I’m pretty transparent and not lookin’ to fool anyone. Just like to bitch slap a few here with some intelligence. And believe me, some need it. Ughhh. We should talk sometime. I’d be interested in your impressions.

            • i get it. you seem to always have a relevant song or album cover or little something extra in your comments that make me think a bit harder. i’m about to be offline for about an hour but will respond to an old post w/ my e-deets later when i get a chance.

            • jazzlover

              I always try to make a musical connection. Many don’t get them 🙂 Ok, no prob on the other stuff.

    • burythenuts

      I vote no on Duksxit!!!!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Keep your name. I’d never heard of that group until you posted this. No confusion here. I think it’s pretty clear to everyone where you stand on cults. 🙂

      • will do, and thanks for the reply, NOLA. I hadn’t heard of it either until a few days ago.

    • Gus_Cox

      Ducks or STFU!

      I’m starting to get hungry.

  • noseinabk

    Hey OSA,
    I found the perfect historic building for scientology to snap up. They could own the very place LRH was married.
    😊
    http://www.cecildaily.com/business/article_8ebe7e4a-d44f-5f43-a624-d5c45778dfc3.html
    http://www.lermanet.com/lies/divorce-files/hubbard-marriage%20002.jpg

    • jazzlover

      I was expecting to see a pic of an outhouse.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Here’s another kooky clam “success story” posted on Facebook.

    “People here are telling me by looking at me that I am beaming with energy and they see a lots of difference in me without even knowing what gains I got.” Yeah, these fellow passengers sound “sane” to me!

    “Most importantly on the physical aspect I have lost many KG’s…” Who LOSES WEIGHT on a cruise? How is that even possible? 🙁

    (refresh)

    • Observer

      He or she needed to say Freewinds a few more times.

      • shasha40

        x47

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      “my favorite Ethics officer of all time.”

      I don’t even know what to say to that.

      • Rasha

        It’s like saying, “My favorite fungal infection of all time…”

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          Ha! Yup, not something any normal person would say.

        • jazzlover

          Why, athlete’s foot, of course. Do you even have to ask? 😉

          • Rasha

            Darn, you’re right. Spellcheck put “fungal” for “urinary tract”. Common autocorrect. (admires own feet in the desert sun…)

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Death to autocorrect! Can’t say that I’ve ever experienced UT infection, though, and in mixed company, I had to at least attempt to keep it “semi-clean”.

            • Rasha

              Hehe!

      • April

        Kind of like saying “my favorite IRS agent” if you’re from the US.

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          When an IRS audit is just so rewarding you have to write a success story.

      • “My favorite proctologist.”

    • shasha40

      It would be hysterical if it wasn’t so sad . As to the losing kg’s part , if you’re locked in the anchor bay the whole time ? Just throwing that out there .

    • Rasha

      I think it’s just a round of HubLibs (r)….

    • bonnydoe

      “I want to flow power to my seniors and execute their command intentions”
      Well I guess that is exactly what they wanted to achieve…. mission accomplished

      • So – Total Freedom is Obedience to seniors and Command Intention (or as George Orwell put in “1984”, “Freedom is Slavery).

    • “I did competence and leadership on the Freewinds” … i had to stop right there to catch my breath and my sides still hurt

    • Justmeteehee

      After laughing, it gave me a sad 😞

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I have to read these success stories with one hand over my eyes. They just break me sometimes. All these poor messed up minds…ugh.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        These stories are supposed to impress you so much that you run right out and sign up! “You can be just like me!” That’s what leaves me shaking my head.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Me, too, IW–no matter how desperate I am for a good parking space. They really have no idea how they look and sound to the unindoctrinated.

  • Scientology trying to weasel their way out of negiligence and manslaughter … or whatever the law terms are. Kind of ironic given how squirrel and unjust their own justice system is. Explains much actually. One thing is for certain. 100% Suppressive cult, has fair gamed everyone who has not 100% pledged loyalty to them. It will be nice when the US Govt grows a pair and starts raiding and shutting them down.

    • MaxSpaceman

      “Will be nice when…” is like the old Walt Disneyland.

      Gov. is ‘not’ going to grow a pair. They are ‘not’ going to shut ’em down. The cherch is protected by the Religious Cloak and with all the eVangelical cHristian Churches and on and on– the Gov. will not approach the religious cloak.

      Decades from now- maybe.

  • I made it home late last night. Some OT powers must have rubbed off somewhere because my uber and food delivery were in sync. Caught up on Game of Thrones(:OOOOOOO) and then fell into a coma. I’m feeling great today and I just wanted to say that I had a great time at Howdycon and I’m looking forward to Denver! I don’t think I’ll ever forget the Cav’s winning and the glorious time had afterwards. One part that sticks out to me besides all of the stuff happening outside was when we took the stairs down and we could hear the people outside getting louder and louder as we made it down. What a rush!

    • Baby

      RUSH OMG… and Grep.. I am so sore from that Massage that we had last night at the Airport.. What a Massage we got on that Chair too.. Never had a Massage like that..

      $5 for 25 minutes! We got 50 minutes worth.. and had we not been necessary for us to be at our gate we would still be on it.. hahahhahaha

      I had so much fun with you during this trip.. The airport was just the cherry on top of the Fabulous Hot fudge Sundae. Love to EM.. you tell her we really missed her.. xo baby

      • Hey, you put Touretzky into OTX.
        For real.

      • Lucky you.
        I’m so broke I have to go to the do-it-yourself massage parlor down the street.

        • Baby

          Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahahaha

    • “Some OT powers must have rubbed off …”
      You’re welcome.
      I run this.

  • Michelle
    • Rasha

      Thank you! I was just looking for a good definition of “pulling it in”…..

    • OOkpik

      Hi, Michelle. Welcome to the Bunker, and thanks for the link.

      • Michelle

        I’ve been following for years! Love you guys!!!

        • OOkpik

          It’s good to finally see you posting. Don’t be a stranger, girl. There’s enough caek for everyone. 😉

        • Why so shy?

          • burythenuts

            Right!

    • MadMaxi

      Hi Michelle, thanks for the info!

    • MM

      In Russia, Scientology raids Y… oh, wait

    • FredEX2

      Watched the video of the Russian Org raid that happened today. Is it true? Could it be possible?…yaaaaaaay! What crime are they raiding for now? Human trafficking? Kidnapping? Fraud, money laundering…hiding Edward Snowden? 😳

  • outraged

    MAJOR article at The Daily Fail on Cruises’ new media empire. hmmm…thought it belonged to DM.
    And why now? Maybe Tommy wants Jamie and Katie out of the headline.

    EXCLUSIVE: Grand opening! Inside Tom Cruise’s new $50 million ‘Scientology CNN’ TV and Hollywood movie studio that rivals Paramount Pictures and promises to reach ‘every person on Earth’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629275/Scientology-s-50million-Hollywood-studio-opens-religion-promises-reach-virtually-person-Earth.html#ixzz4CG5dutyP

    Creepy photo below…..

    • Rasha

      A billboard they had to put inside their own grounds, a viewing room that’s, let’s face it, designed for hypnotic effect, and what a surprise – a “Fabrication” department…

      And am I mistaken, or aren’t those super duper state-of-the-art dish antennae for receiving?

      • Probably old broken left-overs from KCET. They didn’t have any transmitter licenses.

    • Justmeteehee

      I gagged until I got to the quotes from Tony, Phil and Mike and the comments are priceless.

    • FredEX2

      Is he wearing lipstick?

      • burythenuts

        usually

      • outraged

        I think he has a new face. He upgraded to the DMII

      • Liberated

        Each face-lift he gets requires a new color tone.

      • “Its GLOSS!!! Its GLOSS!!!”

    • Rasha

      Has anyone compiled all of the PodiumPose shots? I swear it’s the same mannequin! …well, ventriloquist dummy, anyway…

      • He does have someone’s hand up his butt.

      • outraged

        That’s what looks so weird!! He’s a mannequin. Yes!

    • The Mail managed to cram in the good, bad and mediocre in one story this time.

      • outraged

        Pretty typical article. Though usually heavy on the mediocre.
        The good, the bad and the ugly are mostly in the headlines.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I was perusing Ken Kramer’s “Psychs” Facebook group. Some of the comments are beyond nutso. Crazy conspiracy theories, virulent anti-psychiatric paranoia, quack medical theories. It has it all. Some scary stuff…
    (refresh)

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Oops! I forgot to add the pic they posted of their new columnist Colin “Crazy Eyes” Taufer. I think this photo says it all… Yikes!

      • flyonthewall

        f5

      • Observer

        Gadzooks!

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Quite-one might even venture as far as an: “Oh! I say-steady on old boy!”… followed by a Ò_ó 🙂

          • Ah, England and America.
            Two nations divided by a common language. As some guy said.
            Translation needed.

          • Baby

            Monkey.. You are hilarious. Always up for a good time. When you are around everyone is guaranteed to have a fun time. But you have this fabulous pensive side to you that is precious and vulnerable and real.

            You are truly authentic and theatrical and funny ..and I’m just so glad that you made it to Cleveland and I know you will be in Denver. You are a sweet man. A one of a kind sweet, sweet man. xo baby

            • K2P2(KnitNut)

              And you are sweet too, Baby. So happy to finally meet you. Wish I had the night time staying power you have, so I could have spent more time with you. Awesomely fun! Hugs!

            • Baby

              Oh Knit…Honey I have Night time staying power because I sleep all day…hahaha.. What a great time I had gabbing with you.

              Your scarf that you knitted was so beautiful and soft… You just are such a kind person who has a sweet heart. You kept us grounded ( Well for at least 5 minutes..)

              It is so weird that my daughter lives in same Township as you.. just such a coincidence. xo

            • K2P2(KnitNut)

              Thanks for your kind words. I loved hugging you – and I have pictures! Yes it is really cool that your daughter lives so near me. So when /if you come up this way, you had better let me know. smooch.

            • Baby

              You know it Knit… I have a feeling my family will be heading down to Florida for me instead of me going there.. It works so much better since my daughters don’t speak..

              It’s all good though.. They are adults.. and I don’t have to hear it now.. woo hoo..

              You WILL BE IN DENVER! Please Please #2 Woo Hoo..

            • K2P2(KnitNut)

              Won’t miss it if at all possible . . . you alone would be worth the trip. bed time.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Baby-it was so much fun to meet you-you’re one of a kind, I’m really glad you were able to make it to CLE too. I will most certainly be in Denver, even if I have to sell my body for nickels!!

            • K2P2(KnitNut)

              Or hire yourself out as a proper butler. 🙂

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Sounds too much like real work! 😉

            • Baby

              Awww thanks honey bunny.. OK give me a quarter’s worth

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Here you go-payment via PayPal 🙂

            • Baby

              bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhaha.. Thank you.. will do..

        • I bet that goes on your to-do list.

      • Liberated

        Scary!

      • Justmeteehee

        Yikes!

      • shasha40

        Those eyes , though … This picture would be good for a,”This is your brain on Scientology “,ad . Hey , OSA tell Davey , your welcome for me . What’s one more footbhjllet amongst friends ? Lol

        • burythenuts

          This poor dude………seriously!

          • shasha40

            He hasn’t a clue , lost all his marbles too by the looks of him !

      • jazzlover

        We must conspire with the psychs to give him 10 consecutive brain scans in an attempt to autocorrect his “gaze”.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Maybe a little “Norman Bates” thing going on there?
          (refresh)

          • flyonthewall

            we all go a little type III sometimes

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I feel that I need to apologize to the Anthony Perkins family for this comparison. And also Norma Bates 🙁

            • flyonthewall

              you write letters to fictional characters too??

              Why apologize? If anything it’s a compliment to Mr. Perkins acting ability

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I’m a big fan of Elvis Perkins.
              And I’ve only heard wonderful things about Norma Bates! Have you not bought the 16 volume “Norma Series”? Turns out she was a real-life WWII hero who healed herself of pink-eye! She invented music too! No wonder Norman had a hard time letting her go.

            • flyonthewall

              Word? Did she start a cult too? If so, I want to join it. I don’t care what they believe.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Batesology involves a lot of taxidermy. I think Norman was in the middle of removing the semi-colons from the sacred tech when Marion Crane arrived and… well, you know the rest.

      • pluvo

        Mike Rinder: “Another Taufer Just what the world really needed. This one is pitching in to help raise funds to support Ken Kramer.”

        http://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-88/

        • Eivol Ekdal

          I suspect that there are a bunch of Taufers in Scientology.

          • Its so sad because when I see “Taufer”, I think of Topher Grace (umm “That 70’s Show”),,,.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topher_Grace
            Who, despite working with slimy Scientologists, has apparently kept his latex gloves on and not been tainted.
            I, for one, respect him for that, and the fact that he’s good at his craft, and would like to see more of his work.

          • Gertrudis

            ..

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          It looks like he’s lifelong Sea Org and “Alas, as a net search reveals, Colin is a headmaster–an administrator–, of a Delphi Academy (Clearwater), no less. And his qualifications are so stupendous that he does not bother listing any whatsoever.” SMH

        • Just wait for the sooper seekrit stuff comes out about what Mike, and others, yet to be named, have in store.
          There.
          That’s not leaking, is it?

      • pluvo

        Scary eyes and extreme case of fake smile.

      • A face made for memeing.

        • flyonthewall

          already taken care of. *points downthread*

        • He reminds me of some of Terry Gilliam’s animated heads from the Python days.

      • pluvo

        He could act as Charles Manson in a movie.

        • flyonthewall

          must…resist…urge to shoop…swastika on…clam’s…forehead

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            *evil 🐵*Do it… DO EEEET!

    • kemist

      Let me guess, they did a brain scan and found nothing ?

      As in, no brains ?

      It’s not like we did not warn them it would fall out.

  • Can we agree that Trump is sufficiently related to the subject matter of this blog, that it is in the interests of this community to do what we can to make sure we don’t have to live with him as president?

    Roger Friedman (no slouch) says he’s one degree from Scientology:
    “All of this is made a little more curious because RatPac last year merged with Dune Entertainment. Dune is owned by Seth Mnuchin, recently appointed by Donald Trump as his finance director for his presidential campaign. Trump and Scientology now are separated by one degree.”
    http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/05/28/scientology-goes-hollywood-ex-celeb-wrangler-tom-cruise-bff-now-right-hand-for-major-film-financier

    • burythenuts

      DON’T EVEN GET ME GOING!
      I HAVE BEEN POUNDING THIS BITCH (trump) SINCE THE VV.

      WORSE PART…..Can’t discuss because my leanings have become so horrific.

      • Observer

        • burythenuts

          OY!

        • flyonthewall

          your work?

          • Observer

            Nope

          • Observer

            But it’s darn good work

            • flyonthewall

              *nods* mm-hm, dang on darn good work! Mm-hm

        • He’s laughing at his marks.

        • K2P2(KnitNut)

          OMG, that is hilarious. A clown showing his colors.

      • Well, I kinda wanted to make it relevant to this here, because, ya know, I don’t want to be “that guy” who hijacks Tony Mr. Ortega’s domain.
        But it actually is relevant per Friedman.
        And thus, wanted to see if there was a (sufficient) consensus on the issue.
        I want to relax, and not have any thought that a Trump presidency is any kind of real possibility.
        And yet, as has been said, all it takes for evil to triumph is for “good” (I always put “good” in quotes because we all consider ourselves “good”) people to do nothing.
        Gotta do something. Anything.
        Edit to add: I’m glad yours was the first response.

        • burythenuts

          First, you made my head hurt.
          Second. I HATE THIS MOFO and I am a DIE HARD CONSEVATIVE.
          Sayin…………..
          OOps…missed the R.

          • Roger that.
            Seems his only constituency lives in the land of the tiny brained folk.
            Edited to add:
            So, he could be the greatest unifying force to come along in a long time.
            Against him.

          • “First, you made my head hurt.”
            That’s not necessarily a bad thing amirite, and I don’t hear you to being to say that.
            Reminds me of when Lenny Bruce’s Lone Ranger got done with explaining why he never took a “Thank you, Masked Man”.
            And the response was:
            “Hey buddy, you sure can talk some shit. I got a headache. Just take the goddam Thank you Masked Man.”

      • kemist

        IMHO, the Donald’s case goes beyond right or left wing.

        The guy has a level of arrogance only the profoundly stupid and clueless can display. This is a guy who successfully ran a goddamn casino into the ground.

        He should not be left anywhere near any position of power.

        • Well of course, all that is true, but I’m trying to keep it relevant to the interests of this site.

    • Liberated

      I am currently watching a program discussing the topics you are talking about right now.
      Donald Trump refuses to release his financial statements, why? He criticized Romney for exactly the same thing .
      Maybe it’s because he doesn’t have nearly the holdings, and money he claims to have. I thought H Clinton’s takedown today of the Donald’s inflated claims seemed to have struck a nerve w/him.
      When and if the American people see for themselves that he is a fraud and braggart, I think that will be the end of him. He loves the fact bankruptcy is a viable option for a business man, I mean he has used it 3 times, is that what the people want?
      Who’s to say it’s written in stone he will be the final party candidate ? People much wiser than myself, say maybe not.

      • Its only going to get worse.

    • Yean, I upvoted myself for that one.
      Deal with it.

  • Supper Powers

    There is a cult member parked in front of my house. (Not CoS, a Sufi cult.) She drives a Mercedes Benz. Any time one of the wives of your religious leader drives a vehicle that is either this expensive or communicates wealth, you’re in a cult.

    • flyonthewall

      you should yell gibberish at them from out your window and then duck.

      • Yell “Gibberish”?’
        or gibberish?
        I’m unclear.
        I can do the former, but not the latter.
        I like the ring of “Gibberish!!!!”
        Gibberish, however, is not even my second language.

      • Supper Powers

        i won’t give them that satisfaction. They are the weird lot.

        • flyonthewall

          you must fight weird with weird

    • Everyone should have their own stalker.

      • Baby

        I do Shorp, but I married him ..

        • MaxSpaceman

          classic! only you 🙂 wisht could’ve made it to Cleveland 🙁

          • Baby

            Denver ! Max.. We will blow them OUT of the water.

        • A marriage of convenience.

          • Baby

            hahahha and pure lust.

            ( As I remember)

            • It ain’t love, but it ain’t bad.

        • Missionary Kid

          It sure saves him time, doesn’t it?

          • Baby

            Kid.. You are probably one of the smartest people I know. You were such a pleasure meeting. And then running into at the Airport was so cool.

            You are the friendliest guy.. People are just drawn to you. You do look like you are up to something with that grin of yours. I am so proud of you..as I told you before..

            For doing what you can for the disconnected to get back in communication with their loved ones.

            I really love and respect you. Love baby

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank you, Baby.

              I’m lucky to have met the people who are critics of $cientology, whether they’ve been in the cult or not. It’s been the ones who have been hurt by $cientology who have brought me into the fight. My demonstrations are really a small part of everything that they do.

              I’ve learned that demonstrating can be fun, and I try to have fun when I’m doing it. The prison of the mind doesn’t do well when confronted with fun.

              You’re one of the warmest people I know.

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwww thanks honey.. xo

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Why is she parked in front of your house and does he have more than one wife?

      • Supper Powers

        She was at a neighbors. And he has three wives. They run his businesses.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Speechless

  • Vaquera

    Home. Safe. Happy. Exhausted. Thank you Cleveland.

    • Supper Powers

      Thanks for your updates. Sorry we didn’t get to meet and talk music.

    • Observer

      Cleveland has been good to the Bunkeroos.

      • Cleveland.
        Great city. They owe the two baseball wins while we were in town, and the NBA championship to the good vibes the Bunker brought.
        No longer deserving of the appellation, “The Mistake By The Lake”, or any such.
        Quite like Detroit and Chicago, in many ways.
        Part of the history of the migration of legal and “illegal”s across the midwest. Railroads had something to do with that.
        Everything is coming back.
        Unless Trump is elected.

    • I’ve been itchin’ to know.
      How ya doin’?

      • Vaquera

        All better.

        • Good. Very good.
          So, it wasn’t a tumor?
          I was just trying to be helpful.

          • Vaquera

            No such luck.

    • Cleveland, although it didn’t note your majestic presence at the time, says, “You’re welcome”.

    • flyonthewall

      Cleveland says, “You’re welcome.” and “Please help me, Trump is coming.”

      • Vaquera

        Maybe Tony could call his 911 friends on behalf of the city.

        • Baby

          Texas.. I’m trying to get to everyone that was at HowdyCon.. and you of course are on my list..

          You are a CLASS ACT.. You truly are. The whole package is just a beautiful realness that is surrounded by caring. So glad that you are my buddy. Love baby

          • Vaquera

            You know I love you. You added a special spicy-sweet to every gathering. Your inner light is a gift. xo

            • Baby

              Good Lord.. If I ever need PR I will hire you on the spot.. what a nice compliment.. Thank you sweet Texas You have brains AND Beauty..

      • It will be the best TV ever.

        • Illinoisian

          Could rate as most compelling political viewing since the Watergate hearings.

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      Glad you are home safe and sound. So happy to spend some time with you in Cleveland. I got pictures that will be a nice reminder. You are such a doll!

      • Vaquera

        You are a delight.

        • K2P2(KnitNut)

          sent you private email. Hope it doesn’t go to spam.

    • TexasBroad

      So glad to finally meet you Vaquera!

      • Vaquera

        Putting you on my HLSR schedule!

        • TexasBroad

          Any schedule that brings you our way, I hope. 🙂

          • Vaquera

            Yes, yes.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Have you got my email addy from dibythesea?

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      So fun to meet you Vaquera! I had a great time talking with you and hanging out. Intimidated a little and smitten more.

      You sure were a great part in the party!

      • Vaquera

        I enjoyed our laughs and time together. So glad you made the trip!
        Once again, happy birthday!!

      • Vaquera

        Intimidated? My father told me that I’m intimidating (and in the same breath said that I inherited it from him) and I don’t get it. I’m a tall gangly spazz who errs on the side of clueless. You’ve confirmed his diagnosis. :))))

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    SHOCKER! According to his Facebook page, the Duck Dynasty hillbilly in the “File a Complaint” photo is from Estonia and lives in Spain! https://www.facebook.com/vahter.aivar?fref=ufi
    (refresh)

    • flyonthewall

      you got mad skillz bro! He really let himself go, geez

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Before and after “psyche meds” maybe? I hope not, but he looks a little wild-eyed in that photo above 🙁

        • flyonthewall

          If he’s mentally ill and not getting any treatment (bc psych’s are evil) he’s going to get progressively worse. If he’s not homeless already, he prob will be soon

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            But if he’s getting some CO$ auditing, he should be okay, right?

            • flyonthewall

              oh well yeah sure, that goes w/o saying

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Whew, you had me worried there for a minute! 😉

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        No, he looks too happy to be a clam!

  • Supper Powers

    Just because it’s true.
    F5

    • jazzlover

      This is just a tiny part of a much bigger cult – the cult of family. Too many reasons to go into, but it is by far, the most powerful cult on earth.

  • http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629275/Scientology-s-50million-Hollywood-studio-opens-religion-promises-reach-virtually-person-Earth.html

    In case it’s not otherwise be posted (nice pic of the proprietor included).

    BTW … what’s been the response here to Disqus move to enable blocking trolls?

    • noseinabk

      I don’t quite understand it. If I block a user I wouldn’t get notifications or see the reply but it doesn’t stop others from seeing the troll? I can’t see the bunker using it since we are a nosy bunch and you know even if asked to block a person about half of us would do it and the rest would continue to poke it with a stick.

    • Flying High

      The only truth listed within this Daily Mail article! 🙂

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        That’s about the usual level of truth found in a FailOnline article!Was great to have met you Flying high, hope you’re able to make it to Denver next year 🙂

  • flyonthewall

    He is getting impatient. f5

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I’m glad this guy is in Hungary, otherwise I’d be afraid of how much ammo $5 could buy him. Kinda creepy.
      (refresh)

      • flyonthewall

        bleh, txt was all stupid looking. Deleted

      • flyonthewall

        I agree. He is a creeper

  • flyonthewall

    Doh! f5

  • flyonthewall

    any minute now. f5

  • flyonthewall

    Last one!

  • Baby

    I am wearing down.. If I have missed commenting to you and you were at HowdyCon I will I promise.. I have something special to say to all.. Love baby

  • Sorry all you sexy Bunkerites that were dying to bed me, my favorite moment of HowdyCon was when Pete Griffiths gave me a set of stickers that he said were inspired by my puny pathetic efforts of the past.
    His stipulation was only that I document their usage.
    And this I shall.
    In Pete’s name, I shall.

    • ……..
      those that don’t remember history
      fuck em.
      I’m immortalized by Mr. Google.

      • Gertrudis

        “A thing of beauty is a joy forever.”

    • Baby

      ” Sorry all you sexy Bunkerites that were dying to bed me ”

      And the ones who did…

      • Apparently have poor memories.
        But I’ll never forget you.
        Or forgive you.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Stop using the rohypnol then 😉

          • Man, the last time I didn’t wake up for a week.
            Maybe I’m doin it wrong?

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              I’m reliably informed that it shouldn’t go in your drink…

            • You mean my own drink?
              Now you tell me!

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Yup-kinda thought you knew how to use the g’damn stuff when you bought it off me!

            • Never assume.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Caveat emptor!

            • Touche.

        • Baby

          Ha Hahahahha.. Oh Shorpy you truly made HowdyCon happen with your Declare letters and Tony posters and Periscope.. Did you also make the masks? Just too much..

          You are truly a loyal Bunker. Love baby ( I’ll never forget you either you softy you..with a love for hats like me! ) Forgive me? hahhahaa

          • You’re welcome, you old hooker.

            • Baby

              You are never going to let me live that down are you.. xo

            • Just quoting you.
              And a delicious one it was.
              Hey, I’m an asshole.
              And you can quote me on that.

            • Just quoted you.

          • MaxSpaceman

            the blown up movie star poster of Tony O was a mad fantastic touch 🙂

            • “Hip Hip!”
              Tony no like.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Hooray!”

            • Baby

              Max.. CRAZY TOWN.. mad fantastic.

            • So, have you watched the youtubes yet?
              Better, I think, than being there.

            • Baby

              Yes.. and OMG… I loved you saying..” HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH OF BABY YET?”

              Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahhahaha… You will have to do that next year Shorp, but have everyone interviewed..

              ( I look like such a camera hog.. ( Don’t say it)

      • Flying High

        You hugs alone were priceless and precious and that was the only energy I needed. Warm Hugs back to you and your family!

        • Baby

          Flyin.. You are just so special.. I can see you sitting on the bench and holding court right now. Love the NY accent.. and your amazing stories.

          I can NOT believe that you have just been out such a short time. Your critical thinking skills are remarkable. You are just so cute. I’m smiling now thinking about you.. So glad I met you..

          Denver 2017 xo baby

          PS my arms are so sore today from hugging everyone.. but so worth it.. ha

    • Humor is our weapon, love our ammunition 🙂

      • “Humor is the one thing cults can’t stand
        Church of SubGenius mocks and expands
        Bob’s got a bird cage lined with Avagrams
        David Miscavige’s prostate gland
        Puckers every time he reads an Avagram'”
        (Enturbulator 009 aka El Queso All Stars)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6v90STgVgg

      • Baby

        Pete. You continue to amaze me. I just adore you. You are one of the kindest, outrageous men I know.

        You beat the Cult.. very few can say that. You have missed your calling as an Actor. Thank you for coming all the way to ( OMG I started writing New York..) bawwwwwwwwwhahhahah I still think I was there..

        to Cleveland. Next year we’ll get the whole International Gang in Denver. I can NOT wait..

        PS your shoes..hahahha.. WOW.. They were Clearly you! xoxo baby

        • See you in NY! 😀

          • Baby

            Hahha.. Yes I just went there.. OMG

  • Yeah, so I said “vaquero” instead of “vaquera”.
    We don’t play that here.
    And show us those boots you designed. Already.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Where art thou SMP?
    I’m wondering why they have to pay folks $5 for these photos. With all of state-of-the-art facilities they crow about having at SMP, it should be a piece of cake to use the VFX, green screens, and whatever else special effects tools to CGI thousands or even millions of clams reporting the evil psyches. Hmm…

    • One lowly clam trying to make his stat.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I thought it was funny when someone today compared photos of the SMP opening to Stephen King’s “The Stand”.
        (refresh)

        • PerpetualOutflow

          There is definitely a resemblance.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Yeah, and which ecclesiastical leader does villian Randall Flagg resemble?
            (refresh)
            http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/2/21/Mister_Randall_Flagg.jpg

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Sadly, he just looks like Mel Gibson to me, but it’s late here and past my bedtime.

            • Kim O’Brien

              actually …he has aged pretty well and i would not kick him outa bed ( unless he had this hair do )

  • ……

  • I think I’ll go out and grill some bacon on the BBQ.
    Is that so wrong?

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Sure wish you lived near me.

      • Maple marinade brown sugar rub.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          You made me salivate the last time you mentioned grilling bacon. I just started trying to master our new Weber but haven’t dared try bacon yet. Any tips?

          • Get these and don’t look back.
            http://www.grillgrate.com/
            And go here
            http://amazingribs.com/
            I wouldn’t know how to do bacon without the grillgrates .

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Great resources–thanks! So do you use the grill grates for steaks and other things besides the bacon? If so, does it prevent the nice carmelizing on the steaks? And on the great amazingribs site, I see a recipe for putting brown sugar on bacon while you’re cooking it. Do you add anything else?

            • The maximize caramelization. Google YouTube biolite basecamp with grillgrates.

              I’ve also used a blow torch.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          And you aren’t in the Green Egg cult, are you? Have always wanted to meet one of their die hard devotees.

        • Honey lavender is our favorite in this house.

  • TexasBroad

    I’ll start this comment with this…
    Fuck you Ken Kramer and your very dangerous anti-psychiatry agenda.

    This happened today. My son put in his very first job application. A big event in any young man’s life, but really quite something for our family. Less than a year and a half ago, because of anxiety and depression (and other more serious mental health issues I hope you’ll forgive me for not sharing) this amazing kid was unable to attend school for an entire school year and was barely able to interact with anyone at all outside of a small group of people.

    I will treasure the look on his face as he exited the store, application in hand, for the rest of my life. The next two hours in the food court filling out the application were excruciatingly painful and monumentally joyous as he carefully filled in the blanks and we discussed his hopes and aspirations, his fears and anxieties, and whether there should be a comma after TX and before our zip code. We talked about how far he’s come and it took my breath away.

    I don’t know if he will get this job, or if he can keep it if he gets it. His interview is Thus. (Coming out of the store after dropping off the application — Mom! I interview with a guy named Phoenix. Phoenix! I can do that! A guy named Phoenix probably wears sandals. If he wears sandals, I’m a shoe-in!) I suggested he not pun on his interview.

    Looking back in gratitude to the team of psychiatric professionals who not only gave my kid this day, but saved his very life.

    Fuck you Ken Kramer.

    • flyonthewall

      • TexasBroad

        Thank you Fly.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Tremendous success in your son. His recovery, well being and resiliency.

      It’s a testament, too, to his part in his regaining his life and moving forward. His strength.

      ‘This’ is what caring, compassionate ‘real’ people (non- Scientologists) see as– a big-time win !

      • TexasBroad

        Irony. He suffers debilitating anxiety but is the bravest person I know.

        • Gertrudis

          And how lucky he is to have you.

    • jazzlover

      You have no idea how happy I was to read this.

      • TexasBroad

        🙂

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Here’s to your wonderful son and his amazing progress! Praying for him. Do let us know if he gets the position.

      • TexasBroad

        Thank you. I will. We also discussed extensively the possibility of not getting job. Prepared for that too and it will not diminish his effort.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          If it’s not too personal a question, is he in high school?

          • TexasBroad

            He missed a year. He will be a junior.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Such an important time for him to develop confidence in himself. If for some reason he doesn’t get it, please let us know his interests in case someone among us may be able to help him find a summer job or internship of some kind. Also, someone I highly respect just recommended to me a book called The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist’s Survival Guide To Raising Adolescents and Young Adults. I just started it so I can’t comment on it yet, but thought I’d pass that along in case it’s of interest to you.

            • TexasBroad

              Let me know about the book if you like it, please. He is highly motivated to find employment or a volunteering position because his deadline is running out and the alternative is working at mom’s ladies’ clothing store. I will at least only make him work on social media and cleaning after hours, but I’m sure he is anxious to find another option.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Will let you know about the book. So far, it’s great because it’s written by a motivated parent who happens to be a neuroscientist, but I’m not too far in yet. As for jobs, t’s so hard at that age b/c the high schoolers are competing with college students for jobs, internships and volunteer opportunities, and they have the short end of the stick. I don’t live near TX, so I can’t help much with anything local, but let me know if you need other ideas.

    • Kick ass. Go get ’em, TexasSon!

    • Missionary Kid

      Fuck you Ken Kramer, and the cult you rode in on.

      • TexasBroad

        Perfect. Sums up my rage all day.

    • noseinabk

      Good luck to him! I have a kid with simular challenges and know how much this means to you both. Tell him bunker strangers are wishing him the best and I hope that he knows that taking the steps to apply, regardless if he gets the job, is going to get easier and he should be proud of his effort.

      • TexasBroad

        I’ll tell him. Thank you. 🙂

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        What noseinabk said.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      Congrats to TxDudeJr!! I have confidence he’ll get the job. If you feel like telling me where he works, shoot me an email and I’ll go buy something from him then tell his boss what a good job he did. In the meantime, I’ll just be sitting here hoping he didn’t apply to a jewelry store. . .

      Agreed with Fuck Ken Kramer. He is a close minded, heavy handed, bull in a china closet for evil. Too stupid an short-sighted to think for himself, he’s a thoughtless foot soldier for people selling a false reality for real money at an alarming cost of human suffering and death. And then he’s smug about it. He’ll get his ultimate reward, whether that’s a lake of fire for those that lean that way, or oblivion, or a dark alley inhabited by a few large people who his actions denied the help they needed the day or the year before.

      Until that day comes, however, God Bless Ken Kramer. Bless him for going public with this. For throwing caution to the wind, releasing all doubts that he’s doing great work, and that good people will help him in this cause he has convinced himself is righteous beyond reproach. For $5. Haha. My schedule is booked as solid as its ever been through this coming monday, but between the morning coffee and the nightly chamomile on either end of dreamland, I can probably pump out about 10 socks a day, complete with email and some limited online history. We’ve got a whole bunch of computer monitors and access to dozens of walls to put them up against. And we have cameras. If the backs of our heads are acceptable in his criteria, what else might get by the censors? Discreet drug paraphernalia in the pics? Other open tabs on the web browser leading to here or Xenu.net, or something worse? How much of LRH’s R6 implant triggers can we slip in? Every image that makes it, gets a $6 donation to a legit mental health charity. The $5 from Kramer, and I’ll throw in an extra dollar just to offset the damage.

      I’ll be doing it. Anyone else down?

      • TexasBroad

        😉
        I think this guy is entrenched in his mindset. No changing his mind. But I am stewing your ideas about stopping or discouraging his dissemination.

    • Everyone has a story to tell.
      You’ve told yours well. Thanks for sharing it.
      Scientology has nothing to do with living life as best you can.

    • Kim O’Brien

      I have never met that kid of yours …but i am proud of him . Life is full of challenges ..and nothing can hurt the heart of a mother more , than seeing her kid have to deal with things that other families may take for granted . Strength comes from being different …otherwise we would all be boring people eating jello casserole . He will face things that might suck ….but you tell him to do it with his head held high , his chin out , and his shoulders thrown back . You are both doing a great job ….and anyone who tells you ANY different ….can shut the fuck up . Or give them my phone number

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Kim what a beautiful comment.

      • TexasBroad

        Thank you so much Kim. 🙂

        • Kim O’Brien

          i adore you . You and TxTheYounger just keep doing what you are doing and fuck everything else. Let me know if you want me to beat anyone up for you 🙂

          • TexasBroad

            Back at you! I had a whole fear/admiration thing going for you before I met you and now I just adore the hell out of you. You have a kind heart protected by a big stick.

            • Kim O’Brien

              shut up …and get your skinny ass out here next year. If you let people know that i am a softie , my rep is blown and i might have to go all ” Sons Of Anarchy ” on your ass 😉

            • TexasBroad

              Can I qualify my earlier comment that “I like your brain, Shorpy” to “I like most of your brain, Shorpy” — there is that one dark, odd corner that interests me to be sure, but is dark and confusing and comes off mean to me sometimes. Or maybe I just don’t “get” it. That sometimes happens. I like the rest of it quite a lot though so I will enjoy that to the fullest and just scroll with my confused brow through the other.
              Edited to add, instead of deleting, because I get confused when people delete — I’m a bit raw after posting Shorpy. I could have gone without making this comment.

            • I respect your opinion.
              I could ask for examples and try to explain each one, but that would violate the old “Never complain, never explain thingy”, and just be dramatic.

              “To communicate is to be misunderstood” (Especially in writing)

              “I’m just a soul whose intentions are good
              Please don’t let me be misunderstood”

              And here, conveniently with lyrics:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgvUrYUFlJM

            • TexasBroad

              🙂
              “To communicate is to be misunderstood” – Yes, it was a case of that.

            • Kim O’Brien

              pretty sure i might be able to fuck some sense into people . I learned some freaky shit in Bangkok.

      • “…and anyone who tells you ANY different ….can shut the fuck up .Or give them my phone number…”
        Is that really what it will take to get your number?
        Because I would do anything for it, but I won’t do that.

        • Kim O’Brien

          that is the worst Meatloaf song ever ….LOL

          • And thus my usage….
            All of “Mr. Loaf’s” (as the New York Times dubbed him) songs are dreadful.
            Captain Howdy approves this message.
            So, what about the number?
            Mine is 55-43-00. For you its toll free. Toll free.
            Just pick up the phone and call me now.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpjMzhSntI

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Congratulations to you and your son. I hope he gets the job. Even if he doesn’t, the experience of filling out an application and interviewing will make i a bit easier next time.

      I agree what you say about Ken Kramer, and the other scibots who try to talk people out of getting help for their problems.

      • TexasBroad

        Part of Kramer’s website is a compilation of disciplinary actions against psychiatric professionals, which is useful, but is just compiled from public data already available elsewhere. His anti psychiatry rhetoric is sadly not confined to Scientologists.

    • FredEX2

      That’s such a special and poignant story. Thank you for sharing it TexasBroad. There are moments as you describe…mere moments that hold such meaning,…and we keep them in our heart forever. ((Hugs))

      • TexasBroad

        🙂

    • Paul V. Tupointeau

      I used to pass on these two bits of advice to discouraged teens when I was a teacher. They also helped me when I was young and foolish. First: The worst thing a prospective employer can say is “no”. They’re not going to make fun of you or be angry that you wasted their time. They’ll just say “No, thanks” and probably sincerely wish you luck. Second: You are worth your own best efforts. It’s amazing how many teens have “learned” otherwise, despite it being self-evident.

      • TexasBroad

        “You are worth your own best efforts” is a great lesson to teens…and a great reminder to adults.

    • daisy

      ((( Hugs )) Thank you for sharing that beautiful day with us. Oh yeah fuck you Ken Kamer. The COS misrepresenting and neglecting psychiatry is the main reason for my hatred.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      Yo! Check your email,

    • Beautiful post from a strong, loving, proud mom. Thanks for sharing that with us. And yeah, the anti-psych bullshit from the Hubbardites is among the most destructive aspects of the con. Bruce Wiseman and his minions at CCHR are mostly ineffective at their jobs, but still dangerous for the few that will follow them away from proper mental health professionals.

      • TexasBroad

        Thank you Artoo. There are so many avenues to fight. The CCHR crap is clearly personal for me, but I’ve been touched and driven by the stories of others (CallMe!) and now the whole damn thing is personal.

    • Kay

      ^^^^^^^^^^^ Standing applause ^^^^^^^^^

      • TexasBroad

        Thank you Kay. Seeing your name reminds me I should actually thank his medical team instead of just talking nice about them behind their backs. You may never know how many lives you’ve touched or how profoundly you’ve helped, but I hope you get enough feedback to fill you up. 🙂

  • So… a huge THANK YOU to all who attended the first annual howdycon and especially those who helped to organize and make it happen. No names, although EVERYONE was utterly amazing and I am humbled by the wondrous humanity shown by people, whether never innies or thank fuck we’re outies. An experience never to be forgotten GO CAVS! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • http://disq.us/p/19diujm
      I shall post them here, absent instructions to the contrary.

    • TexasBroad

      The humanity was wondrous!
      Go Cavs!
      Go Pete! 🙂 🙂

    • Flying High

      We love you too Peter along with everyone else! True memories that will indeed last a lifetime!

    • Missionary Kid

      Pete, you livened up the whole gathering. You incited us to take chances and do goofy stuff.

      Thank you for coming.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      So Pete, for those of us who haven’t had the opportunity to meet you IRL, is it your “thank f**k we’re outies” mantra that is the secret to your seemingly unbridled joie de vivre? If not, can you tell us the true source of it and how we can access it for ourselves? 🙂

      • I’m not too sure what the source is tbh. Almost certainly it is part an innate desire to see people who are blinded given back their sight so that we no longer need to do their seeing for them. Some righteous anger goes a long way too. Other than that, I dunno, *shrugs* 😉

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Pete-was great to meet you again, I’ll text my email addy when I get back to Blighty 🙂

    • Yes, please do. Hey Dave Balfe just bought a “medium-sized house in the suburbs!” (He used to have a really big house in the country).

    • Robert Eckert

      Thank you for coming, thank you for listening, thank you for standing tall

  • Ha! Scientology recently changed the business address of Mile High, Inc from 25406 Highway 189, Twin Peaks, CA, 92391, USA (the secret CST vault location) to 7051 HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD, LOS ANGELES, CA 90028 (the Author Services building).

    • Gertrudis

      (Edit: removed dumb question.)

      nvm, Google was my friend. Twin Peaks aka Rimforest, Rim of the World, or Crestline.
      As Tony reported:
      http://tonyortega.org/2015/09/07/ten-years-gone-shelly-miscavige-the-wife-scientologys-leader-wants-us-to-forget/

      • That’s the address, and Mile High is one of the many names for that location.

        • Gertrudis

          Thank you.

      • grundoon

        Twin Peaks CST HQ photos by Angry Gay Pope

        • Gertrudis

          Thank you.

        • Kay

          Twin peaks…..what an appropriately creepy name.

    • MaxSpaceman

      smart move, in these days of the Interwebz and Google Earth and Street View.

      thinking Dave was no wanting to publish that feckin’ address anymore.

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        I guess somebody else will have to publish it now 😉

  • Operation and Transport Corporation, Ltd.

    Hmm, let’s see, is this the right one…
    https://opencorporates.com/companies/pa/15192

    LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD, suscriptor

    Yep, looks like.

    • MaxSpaceman

      That was the Apollo days. The cover-up corporation a.k.a. the Front

  • Well the BBQ bacon was a first time fail. Too thin. Broke apart as I tried to flip.
    But you know what you do when life hands you broken bacon?
    You call it bacon bits. And sprinkle it on everything.
    Ta da!!!

    • Bacon > Lemons

      • All part of my unified theory of everything.

        • I think bacon is an elementary particle in the Standard Model.

    • Baby

      Shorpy.. That sounds horrible.. I want to TASTE my Bacon.. Without BBQ .. ugh

      but the Bacon bits sprinkling was genius..

      • “Without BBQ .”
        You mean sauce.
        BBQ is a method.
        Good night.

        • Baby

          OH then Carry on.. ( I did NOT know that..hahahhaha)

          Night my friend.

      • Our local butcher smokes and cures their own bacon and the honey lavender bacon is off the charts delish.

        • Baby

          OK That sounds amazing… I love bacon.. I just don’t like it with BBQ sauce.. but I was corrected by Mr. Shorpy..

    • PickAnotherID

      You need something like this to hold the bacon (f5):

      https://secure.img2.wfrcdn.com/lf/50/hash/11054/12904655/1/Chrome%2BFlex%2BGrill%2BBasket.jpg

      Then you can flip it over without having to shove a spatula under it.

      • That’s for the faint of heart.
        I need thicker bacon.
        I’ve done this before.

        • PickAnotherID

          Ooooooh kaaaayyyyyy. If you say so.

  • Sorry I’ve been absent today. I am having a rough go of it at work lately. I’m a very efficient and responsible employee and it almost always goes to my boss’s heads and they start to take advantage of it. Usually under the guise of, “I know you can do more than this.” In their defense they probably don’t realize it, but I certainly feel it. Anyway, if anyone is hiring let me know! I promise I have a good resume! XD
    —–
    This story about Stacy is so sad. I posted this on my cousin’s wall and found out that he actually went to school with this girl. What a tragedy. If not for the negligence of Narconon she would be alive. Any truly caring drug rehab organization would have a semblance of humanity and have settled this case long ago, after acknowledging the carelessness of their staff and without these poor parents having to go through this lawsuit. It is so telling that Scientology makes these parents and all the people who survive their victims go through a lawsuit just to get recompense.
    —-
    Regarding the pictures of “filing a complaint against a psychiatrist.” The last guy there, the trailer-park-looking one needs a psychiatrist to cure his crazy eyes. The second one doesn’t know the difference between a monitor and a touchscreen. The lady at the top looks like she spends her nights ordering it to put the lotion on its skin and really probably could use some anti-depressants. The coffee-drinking pensive hippie, looks like he’s never been able to click the right download button and has Geek Squad on speed dial.

    I think my favorite thing is that there are so few people actually filing complaints that they have to beg people to send them pictures. What a ridiculous and desperate plea; and embarrassing.
    —–
    Hope everyone is having a better week than I am!

    • Kim O’Brien

      …tomorrow is hump day . So really …it’s almost friday . And howdycon 2 is right round the corner ..Cheer up 🙂

      • I will! Once this week is over! It’s like a never ending cycle of insanity at this job.

        • MaxSpaceman

          sounds like Sea Org 🙁

          • Nothing like it! Corporate America is a lot better than the SO.

            • MaxSpaceman

              “never-ending cycle of insanity at this job”

              is what got me to compare the 2.

            • Oh no. No need to go that far. I’ve never had it as bad as I did in the Sea Org. It’s more of a stressful and occasionally hilarious cycle of insanity. The Sea Org is more like I’m not sure if being dead is better than this or not cycle of abuse.

            • Robert Eckert

              And what a damning observation about the Sea Org that is.

        • Every time I feel this way, I remind myself that it’s better than being on staff/sea org.

          • It is, but if I ever get that desperate that I have to start thinking that way I REALLY need a new job.

            • Or a vacation. Or both. I hear you brother.

            • My last vacation I spent doing something really extremely rewarding, but also very stressful and very taxing (which I can’t talk about, but soon we shall all reap the fruits of my labor). So it wasn’t much of a vacation at all. So maybe that’s the problem. I do need a vacation.

            • Very taxing? You are a special IRS Agent now? Jk.

            • This time it was not the government taxing me! You’ll see….you’ll all see soon. I promise. XD

            • Kim O’Brien

              start looking . Good measure is if you are saving them / generating for them ….3 times what they pay you in salary . If you know what that number is …then you have leverage . The deadlines that you work on …have a measurable cost to them if they are NOT met . That is where your value is . If you are in a position to either
              1. save them money with your skill set
              2. make them money with your skill set

              then you have the leverage and you hold the value . It can cost a company up to $25,000 just to onboard you ….so losing you will actually cost them more than you might think .

            • I appreciate that. That’s something we infrastructure folk (HR and Accounting) have insight to that most client-facing or delivery staff do not. I know all of those costs and I have deep insight into my little part of this giant company that I work for. I’m not looking for leverage, just to be able to peacefully carry out my duties without having to be dragged into shit storms every 15 days. It’s not even the undeserved ass-chewing I got today. There are things coming down the pipeline that are going to cause me a shitload of grief that I’m already stressed about.

              In fact I know how painful it will be for the two people I am working with, which is why I am hesitant to look for work. Although I did interview with a recruiter in Portland recently because I want to live near my Aunt who’s out there. I like being close to family, but just couldn’t deal with Texas and all its Republican-ism.

            • Kay

              Hey…..remember to document, document, document. Write down everything you are doing, how much money you estimate that it is saving or earning for the company, what support you are or are not getting, and keep it on a jump drive, along with a copy of your original job description and any written evaluations you have received in your time there. Stash it away…it may come in extremely handy at some point.

              If you got an undeserved ass chewing, you document your side on it as soon as you can so you remember the details. Don’t do it on the company’s computer system, do it somewhere else and download the store the jump drive. Include excel spread sheets, or any other docs that make this information completely clear. Keep a running record of things. You may never need it, but if you do it may save your azz.

        • Now that your picture’s in the paper being rhythmically admired
          and you can have anyone that you have ever desired,
          all you gotta tell me now is why, why, why, why.
          Welcome to the workin’ week.
          Oh I know it don’t thrill you, I hope it don’t kill you.
          Welcome to the workin’ week.
          You gotta do it till you’re through it so you better get to it.

          All of your family had to kill to survive,
          and they’re still waitin’ for their big day to arrive.
          But if they knew how I felt they’d bury me alive.

          Welcome to the workin’ week.
          Oh I know it don’t thrill you, I hope it don’t kill you.
          Welcome to the workin’ week.
          You gotta do it till you’re through it so you better get to it.

          I hear you sayin’, “Hey, the city’s all right
          when you only read about it in books.
          Spend all your money gettin’ so convinced
          that you never even bother to look.
          Sometimes I wonder if we’re livin’ in the same land,
          Why d’you wanna be my friend when I feel like a juggler
          running out of hands?

          Welcome to the workin’ week, oh, welcome to the working week.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hFesXpA3p8

          • I am going to make this my anthem at the office.

    • Kay

      My Mom used to always tell me “things will get better”…..and much to my surprise, most of the time they did, even when I was in really tough situations. So I am telling you on her behalf of my Mom “Things WILL get betterf !!” It might also be that this is not the right place for you to work, particularly since they don’t seem to appreciate you nor credit ;you for a job well done. You deserve that !!

      • Oh it’s not that bad. I’m just being dramatic. Appreciate the sentiment though!

        • Kay

          I didn’t think you were being dramatic at all….I think you were being truthful. Some days (or weeks) just are really sucky, particularly if work isn’t going well for whatever reason.

          • Yeah this is a sucky week for sure, still going.

    • I always try to be good at my job — work ethic and pride thing — but some jobs just take and take and don’t give back.
      You are so much more than your job. I hope you find something that suits you better soon but in the meantime just relish all the things other than your job that give you joy and remind you of your immense worth!
      Best wishes <3
      -N

      • I do get back. They pay me fairly, I think. My benefits used to be better. I think Dodo is right, I just need a vacation.

        Thank you for reminding me that I am more than my job! Sometimes we tend to confuse our titles with our identities, I think.

        I wish I could go back to school and get credentials in something that was more appealing to me. Like psychology or child welfare or civil rights law. Alas, we play the hand we are dealt sometimes so I spend my days navigating the corporate labyrinth.

        I do have many things outside of my job that I love. People and experiences! You included 🙂

        • I am struggling at my new job right now. It is good to remind myself that I am more than just my work. It is hard because I am used to being a more valued employee since I am diligent and hardworking.

          • Awww. I know them feels. It’s the reason I don’t like to switch jobs. I’d rather just complain about them and then get complacent until the next shit storm that blows up in my face.

            I appreciate and value you! Let’s start a company that specializes in appreciating and valuing each other!

            • We can package and sell snark! But be super nice and supportive to each other XD

            • I love this idea. One day we’ll run a political campaign to end all political campaigns.

          • Kay

            You too !! OK there is something awry in the universe in that both you and Derek are being undervalued. It’s a disturbance in the force that I shall have remedy post haste !!

            • I just walked into a very specialized field that has a snitching culture and litigious well-heeled parents and no support system in place for newbs.

              I can handle it — I just don’t know if I want to handle it or walk away. Will give it the rest of the summer to figure it out.

            • Give it a couple of months. I think that’s a good idea. I wonder what you are doing though. It sounds like social work.

            • Special education near the bay area

            • Kay

              Near the Bay Area???? Oh say no more…I totally am familiar with the mind set of a lot parents in that area. That WOULD be a challenge.

            • Robert Eckert

              Oh God. I thought teaching in Santa Cruz sounded like a vast improvement over teaching in Detroit: I found out otherwise.

            • Aw you do such an important job. I can’t imagine why anyone would be mean to you.

            • Kay

              Oh geez…litigious well-heeled parents are the WORST in education and also in nursing. It’s the entitlement thing, the “you give me what I demand for my child or I’ll contact my lawyer” It is so hard to operate under a mileu of unspoken legal threats. It is hard to work under those circumstances because it reduces your freedom and spontaneity because these jackass entitled parents are hanging over you critiquing your every move. That happens in nursing at times, and it makes nurses less effective because they’re paranoid about every move they make.

              Snitching culture: I hate those as well. I have had to stand up in staff meeting and say to people en masse: “I’ve noticed that there is a lot of snitching, talking behind backs and complaining to each other going on here. I know I am new, but this practice is something I am not comfortable with. I would hope that if you have a particular problem or issue with me, that you will come directly to me, and I in turn will always go directly to the person I have concerns about. I believe that to do otherwise is unprofessional and unproductive. I apologize if I have misread the situation, but I wanted you all to know how I stand on this issue.”

              Of course, you have to really be in the mood to do something like this, which usually means you’ve had it to the gills and don’t care what their response is. It’s quite liberating should you suddenly feel the urge. If you never do, no harm, no foul.

              I hope it gets better. New jobs are always so stressful, and often in ways that you couldn’t anticipate before you actually took the job. Hang in there….. xoxo Kay

            • Thanks, Love!

            • Kay

              Any time……I’ve got your back.

        • MereCatWatcher

          Derek, I remember once reading an Ann Landers column, fount of wisdom I know, (winky smiley face). A woman wrote in and said that she really wanted to go back to school but would be 55 when she graduated. Ann said go for it. If you wait you’ll just be older. Anyway this is how I remembered it. Probably inaccurately. So I took from this it’s never too late. You are actually quite young, smart, and still recovering from the awfulness of Scien. So when you are ready why not train for something you love? I think you are doing fine whatever you do or don’t do.

          • I am not put off by my age. Living costs money and so does school!

            • MereCatWatcher

              Ok. Yes that’s true living and school costs money. We can hardly do without it.

            • I wish it didn’t. If I found the money for it, I’d love to go back to school.

        • Kay

          Hey you know what Derek….if you really want to go back to school, you will be able to do when the time is right no matter how unlikely it seems now. I have total faith in that. Many of the nursing students I’ve taught were from really difficult circumstances….a couple were actually still homeless during nursing school, one was a single mom of 8 kids, one was a single dad with two special needs kids…the stories go on and on. Many had no parental or family help and no resources, but they had one thing in common….they really wanted to be nurses One by one, they all miraculously found a way, and they are all nurses today. I am a big believer that one should not assume that you will never be able to follow your dream, and I believe that you don’t have to play the hand you are dealt for any longer than you need to. You have a bright future of your own to claim. Some of my disadvantaged students were able to finally go to school due to almost mystical circumstances arising out of nowhere. I believe that can happen for you, so don’t give up on following your bliss !!! You can do and be anything !

    • Baby

      Derek.. I just want to tell you what a great time I had with you.. You are so fuckin lovable.. All of us women just wanted to take care of you.. hahaha..

      Just a sweetheart and I hope you could feel my strength to give you in my hugs. I’m Outraged as to what was done to you and the disconnection shit..

      You are a ball of fire to be reckoned with.. just a sweetheart.

      ( PS.. Hope you will get a new job soon.. good luck..) Love baby

      • I know and there are times where I didn’t appreciate your love as much as I should. That goes for all of the women who are so mothering to me, you included!

        Baby I feel your strength and I am so happy that we got to have IRL hugs last weekend! You are one of my favorite people! You can be my momma anytime! Just wish you were closer, but I’ll head out there and visit you and BTN soon enough, I promise! I need a Floridian vacation, I think.

        • Baby

          Oh hell yes.. You just name the time and we’ll make it happen..

          Thank you so much for your kind words.. I know how frustrated you were when every woman with any nurturing instinct buried you in all the

          ” You ought to’s ..and advice.. ” Just so concerned for you.. and then we knew that you would find your own way.. and we would just have to watch from afar..

          I am so damned proud of you.. You have no idea.. I am just so happy that you feel the support we give you.

          You are a big lovable huggable Teddy bear. ((HUGS)) baby

          • The Bunker and you and all my moms on here that I wish were my moms IRL have played a primary role in helping me grow in the last few years since I left Scientology. If not for this community and especially if not for Tony, I don’t know where I’d be today.

            • I know what you mean Derek. I feel the same. These people are my friends too. Friends that truly only want my best for me. Very healing. (((Hugs to you fellow warrior)))

    • Willie Jones

      Tomorrow is always better. You are awesome.

      • I love you, Willie! Thank you! You are awesome too!

    • Robert Eckert

      Monday was far too soon to get back to the work world after getting to spend far too little time in The World As It Should Be.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am sorry about your job, Derek, Hang in there an take care of yourself.

  • Hmmm… the Safe Environment Fund was the Guardian’s Office slush fund, predecessor to the IAS scam.

    How Scientology’s 1970s infiltration scandal led to the creation of its IAS slush fund July 9, 2015, Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

    https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_dc/EXTUID_2760468

    A DC corporation, it died-out in 1984, the branch in California followed soon after, but the NY branch is still alive but is homeless with no address or parent corporation.

    https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ny/580112

    It’s sad when a rich cult slush fund is reduced to sleeping on grates and begging “Hey buddy, can you spare $200k? It’s to save the planet!”

    (Kidding, NY state probably just forgot to nuke it decades ago.)

  • Baby

    ithilien Observer • 13 hours ago
    this is what AA calls ‘dry drunks.’ In behavior tactics and language some exes here are obviously still using their sci training. ( L Wrong in da house!) Can an ex ever get away from the mind control and tactics completely? Ive been called a troll for asking some hard questions, even had some one repost my comment to the following day to ‘rat me out ‘ and call attention to a post which was a little shall we say challenging.band theres a certain somene checking my upvotes… theres been name calling and ganging up used. Techniques used by sci to silence critical thinking skills….im not a never in who gushes about the wonderfully brave exes….im not here to offer support. Im here to learn about cults and criminality and the psychology of excult members. there is a fair ( huge) amount of cliquishness here..what i think miss tia was referimg to, and i wonder if howdycon was supportive to ex members or actually solidified their isolation. There seemed tobe a certain amount of ver attachment to strangers and excess sentimentality about superficial online relationships. Ive read howdys old posts, and he actually seemed terribly unpleasant and cliquish himself. a sort of self appointed gatekeeper, maintaining the sci mind set and the door to the bunker. ( like len zinberg on the clambake site) When people like THDNE disappear from the board, i actually think its a good thing for them. How long can people ruminate over past mistakes before moving on? If theyve stopped posting, it should be taken as a good sign. I know most of the exes probably left because of things directed at them by the organization, which were probably things they previously saw directed at former friends and family members and were quietly in compliance with. Scientology has a nazi mind set. And youve got to assume that the people for whom it was attractive or entrapping also exhibited that mind set. So getting out of the cult is one thing, but changing your approach to other people is another.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    MY REPLY..

    ” I’m not here to offer support. ”
    ……………………………………………………….

    You had me at Goodbye.

    Seriously I was going to write a long response. I would not change your mind as to how you feel. We do have freedom of speech. You have said some pretty unpleasant things that I can NOT relate to ithilien.

    There are hundreds that post here. I will ask this question.

    ***If there is one person that I have not included in my comments or attempted to make them feel included I would like to know. ” ( Unless I was gone while they posted) ***********

    I have never been in a clique. I abhor them. I would never belong to a group that does not make others feel comfortable.

    I am old enough to realize that what the Bunker has is not superficial. There is no ” In crowd..” The only difference is that some have been here longer.. or posted more often.

    We welcome new posters. We have ONE common goal. I have repeated that often. To end the Abuse in Scientology and to bring the facts.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………

    ” There seemed to be a certain amount of over attachment to strangers and excess sentimentality about superficial online relationships.”
    …………..

    Ithilien.. Those posting here have a common Cause.. Not everyone knows or gives a shit about the abuses of Scientology.. The History.. The Danger.. the Mind Fuck..the disconnection.

    When we find others who share the same passion.. the same COMpassion .. the same need to know more information about what is happening inside this dangerous cult..and how can we help mentality..

    It is the perfect Storm. It’s like the Planets all lined up and when you meet the aforementioned members of the same forum there is NOTHING superficial about it.
    Extremely close attachments are made.

    Howdy was a kind soul .. Ornery, non apologetic .. loved animals and I remember the day he got upset because he saw someone kick a dog. He was Bunker family..

    We are good people. We do support each other. If that is not your ” Thing” than that is OK.. we never drag anyone here.. You don’t have to accept it.

    We are all down in the trenches with each other..

    Not asking you to buy it. It just is the facts.

    • I love you Baby ((Hearts)). Thank you and all the rest of you guys for all the help you’ve given me these last 3 or 4 years.

      From ithilien: “I know most of the exes probably left because of things directed at them by the organization, which were probably things they previously saw directed at former friends and family members and were quietly in compliance with.”
      Me: How in the world does she assume ‘most’ exes were ‘quietly in compliance with’? In my 20 years in the Sea Org and another 17 as a public, I was twice told to disconnect. Since it was policy ‘If is wasn’t written, it wasn’t true’ I never did and I didn’t stay hidden to remain connected – I just didn’t follow the order. Sure the order was incorrect but the orders came from management not at the level I was all. I was in compliance only in the mind f**ked indoctrination I was fed and justified because I incorrectly thought I had a chance of helping if I stayed.

      More from ithilien: “And youve got to assume that the people for whom it was attractive or entrapping also exhibited that mind set”
      Me: I’m sorry you feel that way.

      Baby, I’m 63 years old. I’ve been betrayed my entire life. Likely due to the fact I was raised to trust and love everyone without judgement. After the worst betrayal of pitching in 24/7 for 20 years while thinking I was helping due to the lies I was told (while enduring the hardships of low pay and injustices’), I left the organization. You and most all on this board have understood the trauma that has come with that and have let me tell my story without judgement which I sincerely (underline) appreciate. I’ve gone thru many many viewpoint changes in these last 6 years since reading truth about the church and LRH – things I did not know while in. I can not afford a counselor and feel my stories may have some value to others striving to understand this madness so I speak out which has been therapeutic for me.

      I’ve not been betrayed by this group. Why would I want to shun a group that has welcomed me and my comments without judgement? I’ve never felt attacked by the majority posters here. I NEED the data this blog has. The education is part of the healing for me. When I’m healed I would like to help others. I just don’t know any other place I could have gone.
      The few hours I spent at HowdyCon I felt you all treated me like a precious person. I can not explain how healing this has been for me. Thank you all for being there. Please don’t take all this to seriously.
      (((Hugs)))
      On 31 June it will be 6 years since I read Amy Scobee’s book and began the road out. It gets easier every day and the Bunker has been a very important part of that for me.

      • Kay

        ((((hug))))) Great comment.

        • Thanks Kay and for the hug 🙂

      • ((((((<3))))))

      • Willie Jones

        We love you CeCe, you are awesome. Glad to call you as a friend.

        • Awww thx Willie 🙂

        • Baby

          Damn.. OK.. I did really really good today with any tears… and then you guys showed up..

          ( Just teasing.. but still tears..) I have never gone to this bunker without tears.. NOT one day.. Jeeze.

        • PS Willie this evening I picked my first Jimsonweed flower of the season. Just one and it’s scenting up the entire rig all nice and sweet. Thought of you flower girl 🙂

      • Baby

        ” The few hours I spent at HowdyCon I felt you all treated me like a precious person. I can not explain how healing this has been for me. Thank you all for being there. Please don’t take all this to seriously.
        (((Hugs)))
        ………………………………………………………………..

        Now I’m crying. You touched my heart CeCe.. Sometimes many of us feel like what we do isn’t appreciated.. ( NOT really) but it is really really worth all our time,, effort and energy to feel that we have made a difference.

        Thank you honey. I am so glad that you went to HowdyCon. Baby steps then Run.. xox You are doing great.. considering what you are going through .. damn… love baby

        • I got out the TP too 🙂

          • Baby

            f5..refresh darlin

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        Amy’s was the first book I read on the way out also. I was pretty nervous back then when ordering it. I’m so glad to know you Cece. You’re a good soul, if I can use that term.

        • Interesting Phil. An old friend of mine sent it to me. I would never have ordered it on my own back then. Soul communicates. I might get re-stimulated if you say thetan LOL

          • Baby

            hahahahha

        • Baby

          Hello Mr. Jones.. xoxoxo night honey..hug your wife for me.. love baby

      • OOkpik

        You, my dear, are an inspiration…and I have only read a small part of the trauma you have endured. It has been wonderful to watch you coming into your own and reaching out to help others.
        <3<3<3

        • Thank you for the flowers 🙂

      • MissCandle

        Dear Cece,
        you said you were raised to love and trust everyone without judgment–A wonderful gift that can be a terrible curse when one is not aware that others in the world are not of the same character. Your post really touched me and I just wanted to say “hi” and “hang in there.”

      • Robert Eckert

        We treated you like a precious person because you are.

      • Dice ✓

        I have this to say to you! – I am impressed and you fit right in 🙂

    • Kay

      ^^^^^^^^^^

      • Baby

        Hi sweetie.. Denver in ’17 ? Please, Please..

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Thank you, Babes. I didn’t start posting here because I wanted to wear the red scrunchie (Heathers reference, FYI). “Clique,” “cult”…lord, pick a “c” word and stick with it. I get that some folks may be intimidated by a lively group of people with passionate opinions who are not shy about sharing them. But in my experience, that’s just called the internet. I mean really….grow a skin or don’t bother wading in. I read several other (non scientology) sites on a regular basis that have very strong commenting communities. The difference here, which you describe so well, is that the topic has long been a publicly marginalized one. And an emotionally charged one–it’s hard to read these stories on a regular basis and not be moved to anger, sadness, frustration, elation, and often all in the same story. That bonds a group of people in a unique way. It can also exhaust you, so I don’t think anyone here needs to apologize for sharing jokes, off topic comments, and personal anecdotes. I mean, the heart needs space to recover sometimes.

      I was shy about starting to post here mostly because as someone who’d never been involved in scientology, I figured I had nothing to offer or add to the discussion. I had no dog in this fight. But I came to realize that if you’re human and you care, it is your fight. I value all the different opinions and perspectives here. Many have opened my eyes and made me rethink things I thought I understood; others I haven’t much use for, and some I may even think are problematic. But I like that this is a place where all of that can be aired out.

      And now I’m doubly sad I didn’t get to go to Cleveland and meet all you lovely lively people in your lovely live flesh. Maybe I’ll get to redeem myself when Denver comes around…

      • Baby

        I promise you make it to Denver and I will crush you with hugs 5 ..

        You nailed it. We care. It is all of our fight.

        I was scared to post.. I lurked during the VV days.. and then a while when Tony opened the Bunker up. I thought the same as you. I was not in the best frame of mind when I was lurking and it helped me through the grieving process

        when I lost my Twin. I had to occupy my pain And put my thoughts elsewhere and needed a cause to fight. So glad I began posting here.

        My life has forever changed.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I await the crushing, Babes. I will start practicing my super strength hug grip now so I can keep up. ; )

          • Baby

            Awwww.. 5.. I will be ready.. I can’t imagine the number of Bunkeroos there.. We will be REPRESENTIN.. xo

        • I’m sorry you lost your Twin Baby and so glad you too had a place to go for some relief. I’m so glad to hear it has helped you too ((Hugs))

          • Baby

            Thank you Cece.. I could not have done it without the Bunker. No one has ever said to me..

            ” Get over it..It’s been 10 years..” We each respect each other’s pain. And we will continue to hold you up while you fight yours. That is a promise..

        • flyonthewall

          I never knew you lost your twin. So sorry Baby. ((hugs))

          • Baby

            Thank You Fly.. I hid in the dark bedroom for 4 years and just shut down.. I’m out in the sunshine now.. xo

      • flyonthewall

        love the Heathers! Whether you were ever in or not makes no difference. Any sincere person brings something to the table. You’re a great commenter and I’m glad you decided to start posting.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Aww, Fly…still on a HowdyCon love high, eh? ; )

          I kid. You’re good people, sir, and I’m sorry I didn’t get to meet you in person and pull your beard to see if it’s real. I love that you made Cleveland a family experience. Your planned SF trek sounds like a blast, but you’ll forgive me if I hope you end up in Denver instead.

          • flyonthewall

            🙂 I am a softie deep down actually. If Denver happens instead and it means meeting even more Bunkeroos IRL then I’ll take that trade.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Oh, you’re a softie way up top, too, my friend.

    • Spot on Baby!

      • Baby

        It is just difficult to put into words isn’t it D ?

        I just have never had any experience like this before.. There is NOT one person that met each other at HowdyCon that didn’t feel the same way..

        Just surreal..and I want all the Bunkeroos and other critics to experience it too.. Just an instant bond.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          That particular post (by ithilien) really riled monkey, replied with a nearly angry response (about as angry as I’ll ever get ‘in public’ (on the interwebz, that is!)) Particularly the groundless HowdyCon speculation.

          • Baby

            Oh Monkey.. I wish I was sitting on a bench with you right now while you smoke..I Hookeh and drink Beer.. that would be Heaven.. xo night boo.. xo baby

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Baby, I would dearly love to be able to do that-but I’m due home tomorrow, and the kittehs would never forgive me! Big hugs Baby xo sleep well xo 🐵

            • Liberated

              Any man that cares so much about going home to his beloved kitties, is my kind of guy.
              You’re one cool dude!

        • For sure! Categorizing us as a clique, or a cult. It’s just not fair. There was such a good mix of people there and we all got along great! I really do want more people to experience it.

          • Baby

            Me too.. Next year we will absolutely blow Denver Away..

    • Robert Eckert

      Way back when ithilien was first insinuating himself and L Wrong Hubturd was trying to engage him, I gave my opinion simply as “He is not on our side” and disengaged. Nice response, but you shouldn’t have let him get to you.

    • Dice ✓

      ithilien came to study us, like this was some kind of a Zoo! No further comments on this character.

  • Dave In Ajax

    has anyone posted about the huge dig the Netflix tv series Orange is the New Black gave to scientology in episode 6 of the new season?? I watched it Saturday and lost a mouthful of my drink. I just wish Laura Prepon was in the scene. Since there are thousands of posts a day I may have missed a post about this, but I thought it was a huge dig on scientology with a cast member who tows the line
    sorry to miss howdycon, only a 4+ hour drive from Toronto, hope all had a good time, as it seems they did 🙂

    • I meant to ask Tony about that this weekend. It reminds me of when South Park went after Scientology while Issac Hayes was working on the show. I wouldn’t be surprised if Laura Prepon had no idea it was in the script. I think the actors on the show usually just read their own lines.

      • Dave In Ajax

        you are right about that, I think they film multiple scene for different episodes all at once and leave it up to the editing team to paste it together, so many may not even be on the set when certain scenes are filmed
        but for those who didn’t see it, two of the inmates were praising going clear and lawrence wright, and the other comments that those fuckers still have tax exempt status

        • Nice. Laura is totally gonna rage quit that degraded SP wog tv show and get hired by theta KSW TV.

          • Dave In Ajax

            actually I hope they kill her off with a vitamin B overdose during a sauna stay

            • Liberated

              Don’t forget the niacin.

            • Dave In Ajax

              that is vitamin b (B3 to be exact) 😉

          • Dave In Ajax

            40 cents an hour ???

      • noseinabk

        I can’t help but think that if Laura P. was a lovable person on set who everyone enjoyed they may have never broached the subject in deference to her. Next up, someone will be banished to the Miscavige Hospital for the Criminaly Insane.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I expect many clams are Prepon fans and watch the show to support her. I imagine they would be quite enturbulated having seen the LRH/CO$ takedown. Do you think the CO$ would warn clams not to watch it? Or let them see it and then make bank off the ensuing “enturbulation”?

        • They didn’t tell us not to watch South Park. I think they prefer not to call attention to it. They generally encourage people to not watch TV or read the news.

          • Dave In Ajax

            well I think we can guarantee the sea org isn’t watching Netflix lol

          • I was told specifically not to watch Panorama or read Russell Miller’s
            book. Wish I had!

    • daisy

      I shared the dialogue yesterday. I had the same reaction. Somebody posted that they referred to scientology but this was more than a vague dig. I have been watching re-runs and either season 1or 2 mentioned scientology too. One of the characters stated what is the religion that believes in aliens and crazy tom Cruise follows – the other character said scientology. ( paraphrasing ) One of those writers either is trying to make LP quit , hates scientology , or is a pr move for the bad publicity that they get for having her in the cast. ( LP wasn’t one of the caracters )

      • Baby

        Hi sweetheart.. You know Scientology made Hayes quit because of them disrespecting Scn. Wonder if they will do it to Laura P.

        Missed you..((HUGS Daisy and Fat Beagle)) xo

      • Liberated

        I call her L Poupon, like the mustard.

      • The management must know about her affiliation, so it’s quite feasible that they, hoping she will ‘do an Isaac Hayes’ or are looking to attract some attention to the show.

        She really needs to disconnect from those SPs. Immediately.

        • daisy

          If they just wanted rid of her why wouldn’t they just write out her character ? I guess if she did quit it would bring publicity to the show. If I recall it became a foot bullet when Hayes quit, it brought more attention to South Park.

          • Contractual considerations, I should think. If you want rid of someone and don’t have a legitimate reason to fire them, you use other means – and earn some publicity as part of the bargain

    • Dave In Ajax

      actually surprised Tony didn’t make a story of this, or maybe its coming
      season 4 episode 6 watch from the 50 minute mark on 🙂

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I saw posts on Prepon’s social media about going to the cast screening and watching it with the lead actress, Taylor Schilling, with whom she seems pretty tight. I think there’s a good chance she’s seen the scene in question by now, even if she didn’t know it was in the script to begin with. Would love to know how she reacted. And also what her relationship to the CoS is like these days. I mean, she’s Danny Fucking Masterson’s “road dawg!”

      • Dave In Ajax

        well read the article that was posted last year, not sure what magazine, but seemed pretty much committed to scientology, I knew she used to erm fuck danny mastersons brother, but not sure what a road dawg is lol???

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Yeah, I remember that piece in Celebrity mag–the best part of which was Ebner taking on her rabid fans on Twitter. It was Chris Masterson that she dated for many years, and though she seems to have stayed close to the whole family, it looks like she’s tightest with Danny. Or maybe that’s because he’s that group’s self-appointed gatekeeper. Anyway, he calls all his special peeps “road dawg.” Because he’s an asshole.

          • Dave In Ajax

            okay I got it now 🙂

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      I can’t remember who exactly it was (forgive me, whoever you are), but one of the Bunkeroos was binge watching the show as soon as it popped and jumped on to mention it as soon as she got there. Unless someone knew about it and which episode it was in and where in the episode, it was probably the first mention of it on the entire internet.

  • PickAnotherID

    Gak! I’ve been going through that $cientology motion filed in the Stacy Murphy case, and my head hurts. So far it seems like they’re basically using 161 pages to say, “We don’t control anything except the trademark and collecting the licensing fees. We only collect stats to make sure the trade marks aren’t being degraded, not to control how the business is being operated.”, as many ways as possible.

    This is going to take a while to fully parse out. It’s obvious they’re being very careful with their wording. And there definately appear to be some “acceptable truths” being floated. But it’s going to take some digging to nail down the reality of things.

    I suspect the Murphy’s lawyers could really use the help of some ex ABLE, narCONon Int, & narCONon facitlity staff that were involved in the actual, as opposed the shore story version, day-to-day control loop to tear this filing apart.

    • TexasBroad

      10oreos emailed some documents to the Plaintiff attorneys today.

      • PickAnotherID

        Sometimes it’s handy to have more ex’s around than they have staff.

      • Baby

        I am getting ready to go to bed.. I have a big smile on my face because I saw your avi Broad.. So thrilled I met you in person..because NOW I know how truly special you are.. Yay..

        Night honey bunny.. xoxo baby

    • JJ

      There is acceptable truth and legally acceptable truth….

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I just saw another clam crowd-sourcing funds for cancer treatment. That’s the 3rd or 4th one I’ve seen this year. Again, this guy is asking for money for Mexican “treatment” instead of a VA bone marrow transplant. Over 5 months and has got $10,965 of a $28k goal. He said he was getting assists everyday though. The updates are sad and he hasn’t posted an update in 3 months. Ugh! https://www.gofundme.com/mmgcrjjg?fb_action_ids=1041294789247267&fb_action_types=gofundme%3Acampaign_page_share&fb_ref=fb_vs_cpgncount_w__31eaf4ef8b3a4a1482b61ccd050740ff

    • Heartbreaking.

    • Kay

      That is so sad…he could have a chance with the bone marrow transplant….the Mexican treatments are notorious for being complete failures or outright frauds. If he has waited five months, it is possible that he may actually be deceased by now since he isn’t getting any treatment at all. The worst scenario would be that he IS deceased and the clams are still soliciting money for him.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      Thanks for pointing this out, Walrus. I’ve got a couple of things to say about it. Feel free to skip this.

      1. I understand the VA sucks. I’m a vet, and a combat one at that and I don’t use them. That being said, there’s a lot of us younger guys, me included, that came through the last couple of wars not that much the worse for wear (read- not completely physically or mentally fucked up- nobody walks away totally clean) who actively avoid the system. This is not because it sucks but to keep it clear for the older guys to be able to use it. For all its problems, the VA is going to get you sound, scientific treatment if you earned the right to be there. They’ll even let you owe them the comparably small amount they charge, and they won’t try to collect. The unfirable government issue Shaniqua doing the intake paperwork is not going to have a smile on her face, but the doctors and nurses are going to care about you. They don’t care about your name when you meet them in a crowded tent in a place that definitely isn’t Kansas, but its a different story in the hospital when you’re sick, and they’re not witch doctors feeding you herbs and voodoo in Mexico.

      2. I feel really bad for him if the doubts are starting to swirl. I thought good Scientologists knew beyond doubt that they are Thetans and dropping a body is just something that has happened billions of times before. In fact, I was reading in my pirated copy of the OT Levels that I have, and LRH CLEARLY (as in, he drew diagrams) teaches that the impulse to protect or hold on to a meat body is nothing more than evidence that you have a BT cluster that you haven’t audited off. They teach that you’re not even supposed to be sad when a meat body drops. Maybe he never got to OT3, or worse, maybe he did and he stayed in because he had to, or maybe the prospect of mortality is making him rethink a few things and the touch assists are just a reminder of human contact that LRH insisted wasn’t important. Then I feel bad for the guy.

      3. INRE- Kay’s point about them making money. That really is a nefarious thought, right? Gives me the shivers. That said, moreover, in point of fact, all of the donations since his last update have been automatic monthly withdrawals that were set up a long time ago. The main giver is also old. I’m sure this is the type of loose end that would get overlooked when the voodoo doesn’t work. Hopefully, GoFundMe has a solid charity donation policy for unclaimed money. . .

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        In one of the updates he said this “All of you deserve some exchange and that is how I operate. This was a bit different.” Stage 4 cancer and the poor clam has to worry about some LRH rule about “exchanges”, for the help he needs. This is the antithesis of true giving in the spirit of Christianity and I believe, other religions, where one is supposed to give (or receive) help because there is a need, as simple as that. Who the hell is LRH to put a judgement on basic human compassion? GAH!

    • bonnydoe

      Is he talking about the Gerson therapy?
      Now I know what my ex ( scientologist) was talking about when he said I had to go to Mexico in case my cancer would return….. I never looked it up because by the time he told me this I already ignored his “from reality abandoned” thoughts…

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yep, you nailed it!
        “CHIPSA follows tested and proven methods to decrease cancer cell growth and proliferation. Since being here for just two weeks I know there is improvement. They have the Gerson protocol, Coley’s toxin, mega doses of Vitamins C and B17, hyperthermia treatment, the hyperbaric chamber and the innovative Issels immuno-oncolcogy (you can search the site).”

      • Scott H

        Wikipedia has a fascinating article on bogus cancer treatments, including Gerson “therapy”, Laetrile and a host of other ineffective treatments:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unproven_and_disproven_cancer_treatments

        As a two time cancer survivor it infuriates me to see desperately ill people throwing their life savings at quack cures and the snake oil salesmen that promote them. Hmmm…sounds like Scientology.

        • bonnydoe

          I very often get into arguments on facebook with people that keep on sharing these quack cures (“this plant is 1000000 times more effective than chemotherapy but big pharma doesn’t want you to know”)… but I just keep debunking these posts with the research results from cancer-research sites…
          The most terrible thing about posting bullshit is imo that when you are going into treatment you want to have the feeling you choose the right treatment, and go for it 100%… you don’t want to be told (and that’s what a lot of these posters do, without ever being diagnosed with cancer) that you are buying into a treatment that is only there while ‘big pharma’ wants to make money…. assholes…

          • Scott H

            Oh yes, the “Big Pharma is suppressing this treatment option because…” argument. I equate this line of conspiracy thinking to the ant-vax crowd, Jerry Springer watchers and those who claim Elvis is flipping burgers in Memphis.

          • April

            If there was a plant that cured cancer, you can bet your bottom dollar the pharma industry would be all over it, trying to isolate the compound(s) in that plant that cures cancer so they can patent it and sell it at astronomical prices. The “magical plant” cure being ignored by pharmaceutical companies is a bogus idea; it just doesn’t make logical sense considering how they operate. For example, they’ve been studying marijuana for at least a decade now to isolate the cannabinoids as an effective treatment for PTSD and other ailments.

            Now, I could buy into the idea that pharmaceutical companies, liquor industries, and private prisons all lobby congress to keep marijuana illegal because keeping it illegal could benefit them, but I’m not buying into a conspiracy; as sleazy as it is, it makes financial sense for their industries to do so.

    • JJ

      Why don’t they just use the same people, reverse the images and use them on each site…

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    For a late-night giggle…
    I wonder how many at the Battlefield Earth spectacular knew that the actors were from “Attack of the Killer Donuts”? Please Xenu, let that be the first movie from SMP!!!!
    (refresh)

    http://static.wixstatic.com/media/1a3f59_a3598a33a10c495e88e1668fcb93e047.jpg

  • Patricia Lathrom

    Makes me sick the Church is going after psychs. I know of Scientologists who have been helped by psych drugs. Yes, you heard me right. Scientologists. And this was after Scientology had failed them.

  • Patrik Axelsson

    A) Why is Scientology so obsessively conviced that numbers mean truth? You could have ten thousand people in their finest tinfoil hats pointing at twice as many screens and Dianetics would still be a pseudo-science without a single study to back it. Produce one of the 280 original clears, then I’ll stop taking my meds and grab some cans.

    B) How can it be legal for a group with such poor knowledge of basic human anatomy and such a well-documented contempt for post-1953 medical science to operate a service requiring delicate care both psychologically (“Doesn’t exist”) and biologically (“VITAMINS!!!”) ? It boggles my mind. My thoughts go out to the parents of that poor young woman.

  • Scream Nevermore

    So, last night I posted a comment on Kramer’s ‘Psychs’ page, asking if it was not illegal to make a formal complaint about a psych/doctor who hadn’t actually treated and harmed you. This morning, the page appears to be gone. At least to me – I take it I’ve been banned??

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      The Psychsearchdotnet webpage & the “Psychs” Facebook Group’s page are both still there.

      • Scream Nevermore

        LOL! I’m banned then!

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Now that’s what I call a WIN! 🙂

          • Scream Nevermore

            Great way to start the day!

            • Graham

              Hi ‘Scream’. If you could e-mail me privately I’ve got some news you might be interested in. I can be contacted at xxx Hope to hear from you, Graham

              Edited to remove e-mail address, on the assumption that my original post got to your e-mail in-box.

        • Dice ✓

          They disconnected you, that’s what they do

    • If he’s banned your IP (which is the only way I can think of that he can make the whole page inaccessible to an individual) get a new one, and confuse him by commenting again.

      you can do this by

      >Restarting your router
      >Using a proxy https://www.hidemyass.com/proxy
      >Installing the Tor Browser which will let you do this endlessly https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html.en It also prevents web page admins knowing where you are from you IP address.

      • Anonymouse

        You need to restart your modem / router, not your computer, only then will your external IP address change.

  • 0tessa

    Scientology Inc – a company specializing in exorcism and because of that pretending to be a ‘church’ and as such thriving on slave and child labour – complaining about psychiatrists – who are at least trying to do something about mental illnesses .
    It is a shame if it wasn’t downright ludricous.

  • Khalil

    Well done Scientology
    I am a citizen who is arrested and tortured by psychiatrists. I am from another continent. I heard about scientology two years ago and I am happy that scientology attack psychiatry. How can I help to destroy psychiatry ?

    • Do not under any circumstances see one.
      The lack of income from you alone will put them out of business.

      • Khalil

        yes that is my decision, but I am afraid that they bring me against my will ?

        • Then there is nothing you can do, except kick and scream.
          Good luck with that.

    • Fink Jonas

      sounds like you high on Kool-Aid you talk like Steven Fishman

  • Eivol Ekdal

    New Post!

    • Justmeteehee

      Good because the post below this is ugly to look at.

  • JJ

    What if ya took a picture of yer butt. is that worth five bucks. maybe tre-fiddy.

  • JJ

    You know it isn’t funny. but maybe “clearing” has a double meaning, one get as many people clear and in line as possible and two those who refuse or are not able to become a bigger being will be eliminated…This is also not an original concept in the annals of “society improving”…