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There’s nothing quite like when Scientology cancels your superhuman powers with a ‘declare’

DaniTami

[Dani and Tami Lemberger]

July 2012 was one of the craziest months in our 20-year history of watching and writing about the Church of Scientology. The media was in a frenzy because, at the end of June, Katie Holmes had amputated her ties to Tom Cruise in a highly calculated surgical strike. But so much else happened then. We broke the news that month that Ron Miscavige had escaped from his son’s organization. (He had actually left in March, but it had taken a few months for the news to get to us, and now his escape is the subject of Ron’s bestselling book, Ruthless.) We also reacted to the tragic death at 27 of Alexander Jentzsch, son to Karen de la Carriere, who had been cut out of her son’s life on orders from the church.

But with that all going on, perhaps our favorite story from July 2012 was the lengthy piece we wrote about the remarkable Dani Lemberger, his wife Tami, and their Scientology mission in Haifa, Israel that had dared to break away and become independent from David Miscavige and the official church.

Dani was one of the most forthcoming Scientologists we’ve ever interviewed, giving us insights into how a person could consider themselves a “skeptic” and still become totally invested in L. Ron Hubbard’s ideas about past lives.

Like many other people who were walking away from the Church of Scientology, Dani and Tami were still strong adherents of Hubbard’s ideas. Not only did they plan to continue practicing Scientology independently, but they were working to bring in new people to their Dror Center, people who had never experienced Scientology in any form.

They’re still at it today, but not without having to weather the kinds of retaliation that Scientology is well known for. Dani is suing Scientology, as well, and we’ll get you some updates on that lawsuit when we can.

For today, however, we have a treat for you that is becoming more rare. Time was, when Scientologists were kicked out of the organization, they could pretty routinely get their hands on the official document that recorded their excommunication.

Such a document is known in Scientology jargon as a “declare,” because it spells out the reasons why a member has been declared a “suppressive person,” someone who is toxic to Scientology and cannot be in contact with anyone considered a member in good standing.

What we have for you is the “suppressive person declare” of Dani and Tami Lemberger, which has only become public this week for the first time. We hope you find it as perplexing and fascinating as we do.

It is, in fact, an indictment for thought crime that is straight out of George Orwell’s 1984.

There’s a lot of jargon in it, but even if you’re somewhat new to Scientology watching, you should get a flavor for the thing. And keep this in mind: Until this declare in 2012, Dani Lemberger had been a loyal member since 1980 who had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on his Scientology involvement. His wife Tami, meanwhile, had received awards as one of the top Scientology auditors on the planet. Dani had even taken it upon himself to translate some of L. Ron Hubbard’s work into Hebrew so that it could be disseminated more easily in Israel.

Like so many other longtime members, however, they had increasingly become dissatisfied with the leadership of David Miscavige. And then, that June, they made a trip to Texas to meet with former church executive Mark “Marty” Rathbun, which sealed their fate. (We interviewed Dani for our Village Voice story when Dani had a few short hours in Newark airport on his way back to Haifa after visiting Rathbun.) Dani and Tami had consorted with the ultimate “squirrel” (Scientology’s cute jargon for “heretic”), Rathbun, who at that time was openly leading a rebellion of independent Scientologists against Miscavige. The Lembergers had gone over to the dark side, and now the church would excommunicate them by bringing up anything in their past in the most negative light possible.

Now, with all of that in mind, give this document a read…

 

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY INTERNATIONAL

SENIOR HCO INT ETHICS ORDER 1570 23 June 2012

Limited Distribution

SUPPRESSIVE PERSON DECLARE

DANI LEMBERGER
TAMI LEMBERGER

Dani and Tami Lemberger of Haifa, Israel, are hereby declared Suppressive Persons and expelled from the Church of Scientology, pursuant to HCO PL 7 Mar, 1965RB I, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS.

Both Dani and Tami have been under a Non-Enturbulation Order since 2008. In early June 2012, Dani was called before a Committee of Evidence to look into his actions and ascertain charges of ecclesiastical crimes and high crimes. Within days of meeting with the Committee and being confronted with evidence of his actions, during which Dani pretended to show ethics change, Dani and Tami joined a small squirrel group.

Impartial investigation into their background has revealed a long list of squirrel activities. In the case of Dani, he was involved in squirrel activities in the early 1980’s; Dani’s squirreling includes false attests to training courses in Scientology technology going back to his first courses and up to his last training. He was found to have been making unauthorized translations and copies of Scientology material in violation of copyrights.

In 2001, Dani and Tami were found to be using personnel to deliver technical actions in their field group for which these staff were not certified. This included Tami herself, auditing and C/Sing actions without valid certificates. Per recent reports, Dani admitted that for the past 20 years he has been giving after-session exams in the field group and mission, while not being trained as an Examiner. He never passed an E-Meter Course and has never done high-crime checkouts on the materials which, if passed, would have allowed him to do exams.

Tami has committed high crimes as a C/S, auditor and Solo auditor. Such high crimes consist of missing withholds on pcs, withholding vital information from the Case Supervisor, squirreling processes on pcs, and falsely reporting in worksheets regarding the EP of processes having been attained. In one instance, in 2008, she missed withholds on a pc and allowed that pc to continue spreading black PR and malicious rumors about the Church.

Both Tami and Dani have been involved in financial irregularities regarding the pcs in their field group since at least 2003. For example, they would charge pcs for things like talking to the pc on the telephone. They also charged their pcs excessive fees for admin and FESing time.

From 2007 to the present, Dani and Tami have been given many opportunities to straighten themselves out, both on HCO and tech lines. They were offered the use of ethics tools to assist them to get KSW in on their lives so they could progress up The Bridge. In the fall of 2011, Dani was also offered auditing sessions by a Flag-trained Class IX auditor, but he refused to pick up the cans. Despite these attempts to help them, Dani and Tami have shown no ethics change. They have refused to take responsibility for their crimes and high crimes and instead, have now shown their true colors and connected with a declared Suppressive who is a known squirrel.

Dani and Tami are not Scientologists; they have been pretending to be Scientologists, but are turncoats and squirrels. Dani has sought out and studied anti-Scientology propaganda, false reports and rumors and has forwarded these to Scientologists in good standing in an attempt to divert them from The Bridge.

By their actions, they are guilty of the following Suppressive Acts:

— “Falsely attributing or falsely representing oneself or others as source of Scientology or Dianetics technology; or using any position gained with staff and/or public to falsely attribute non-source material to source or to falsely represent non-source material as authorized Scientology or Dianetics technology.”
— “Intentional and unauthorized alteration of LRH technology, policy, issues or checksheets.”
— “Acts calculated to misuse, invalidate or alter-is legally or in any other way the trademarks and service marks of Dianetics and Scientology.”
— “Continued adherence to a person or group pronounced a suppressive person or group by HCO.”
— “Failure to handle or disavow and disconnect from a person demonstrably guilty of suppressive acts.”
— “Engaging in malicious rumormongering to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers or the leading names of Scientology or to ‘safeguard’ a position.”
— “Calculated efforts to disrupt Church services or the flow of public up the Bridge through the Churches.”
— “Violation or neglect of any of the ten points of Keeping Scientology Working.”

Any certificates or awards that have been issued to Dani or Tami Lemberger are cancelled. Any licenses or memberships they have signed to use the marks and works of Dianetics or Scientology are likewise cancelled.

Dani and Tami are denied any future services from Scientology Churches, missions, field groups and field auditors and they are barred from entry into the premises of any Scientology organization, mission or group.

Should Dani and Tami Lemberger come to their senses and recant, they are to do steps A to E as laid out in HCO PL 7 Mar. 1965RB I, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS. Their only terminal is the International Justice Chief, via the Continental Justice Chief.

INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE CHIEF

for

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY INTERNATIONAL

 
It’s really something, isn’t it? And in case you missed yesterday’s story, a tipster sent us a photograph he snapped recently of the man who wrote this document, Scientology’s International Justice Chief, a man named Mike Ellis, who is rarely seen.

 
Mike_Ellis

 
Wow, there’s a lot to unpack from this declare, but we’re going to let the experts in our commenting community help you out if you have questions about specific terms or phrases that are unfamiliar to you.

We will remind you that in January, we mentioned that the Lembergers and their Dror Center had been visited by Reza Aslan, who is gathering stories for his upcoming CNN series “Believer.” We criticized Aslan, whose remarks in the past about Scientology we have found to be uninformed.

We spoke at length with a producer on Aslan’s show, and she assured us that she wanted to get in as much as she could about Scientology’s many controversies and allegations about its abuses. But we are still expecting that the credulous Aslan will provide L. Ron Hubbard his best press in decades.

We have an update on that now. A member of Aslan’s crew recently posted to Facebook that the series has been delayed because CNN is focusing on the election. Since 2016 was always going to be an election year, we read that to mean “CNN is making so much bank on Donald Trump, it can’t take the camera off him even to pander to its religious viewers with a Reza Aslan show.”

Eventually, the Aslan show will run. And we expect it to be rather cringe-inducing. But for fear of being misunderstood, as we were the last time we wrote about this, our criticisms of Aslan and our dim view of the “Believer” series are completely unrelated to the esteem we have for Dani and Tami Lemberger.

We think it took a lot of guts to break their Dror Center away from the Church of Scientology, and we are grateful that Dani was so forthcoming for our 2012 story. And after reading their declare, we have more respect for them than ever.

 
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Tahoe, a murder, and detectives on a cold case

What a bizarre reference to Scientology turned up yesterday in a story out of South Lake Tahoe. Detectives there are trying a new approach to a double murder that took place in January 1982, when two blackjack dealers, Julie Schossow and Marilyn Putt, went missing.

“Julie’s body was found chained and bound in the South Fork American River six months later. A month passed and…Marilyn’s body was also found 150 feet downriver,” the story said.

But then, strangest of all, was what the district attorney’s office said about the new investigation: “If there’s anyone out there that’s directly involved with or associated with the Church of Scientology in South Lake Tahoe, you may or may not know you have information that could be helpful, so please contact us,”

Wow. Bizarre. We sure hope to get an explanation for that at some point.

 
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  • Jenny Griffith

    If the DA thinks a scientologist knows something about those murdered women, then they should question David and Shelly Miscavige. They were in position to know everything about every scientologist. If anybody knew anything, it is policy to tell.

  • chukicita

    re: re-opening murder investigation

    I found a Mission of Lake Tahoe that was registered in the state on December 2, 1982 with Ronald D. Boles as agent. But it has since folded. They had a P.O. box for an address.

    The only Scn presence in South Lake Tahoe that I see is the Narconon at Emerald Pines, which is conveniently forgetting it’s a Narconon and is calling itself Emerald Pines Rehab. I’m pretty sure the previous Narconon incarnation closed before this one opened.

    • The Placerville location is also in the same county and not far away. (Licensed as Elevate Addiction Services these days.)

      The “two rich guys” were going to take them to the Bay area, and who takes a date to a Scientology location? (Other than the late whatshername.)

      • chukicita

        Especially a first date. Unless you want it to be the last.

    • Science Doc

      Boles was an OT V. There is a 2012 obituary for a Ronald D. Boles in the Reno area, but I’m not certain it was him. The Lake Tahoe Mission shows up in a 1979 listing of every Scientology unit in the world.

      • chukicita

        Thanks for confirming it existed earlier. The date I mention is only when it decided to register with the state of CA.

    • The place where they were found, near Chili Bar, is just north of Placerville, off US-50, the route from South Lake Tahoe to the Bay Area.

      • Switch to terrain topographical to see the lay of the land.

        https://goo.gl/maps/dKZfXwcPZAB2

        • scottmercer

          Vladimir Putin lives there?

          • Only when he’s Putin on a Ritz.

      • Science Doc

        wonder if anyone from the Sacramento Org in 1982 had a taste for casinos.

      • ze moo

        Never let Mike Ellis know there is a place called Chili Bar.

      • chukicita

        Hm. I see a Narconon Pinecone Grove on Ruth Haven Road in Placerville, that from Jan to Feb 2013 was owned by Narconon of Northern Calif, but then was re-registered as owned by Halcyon Horizons Inc before folding in Oct 2015. EDIT: Maybe they changed their name. A similar register-re-registration was done for Narconon Emerald Pines/Halcyon Horizons Inc.

        Looks like Narc of NoCa bought the property in 2008 from Judith and Alan Brown.

  • LocalSP

    Seriously who would join a ( and I use the term here loosely) religion that can’t even keep two people on the straight and narrow?

  • George Layton

    I hope they saved some of that money they ripped off, from those “pc’s” under hubbard’s umbrella of delusion, to buy new bicycles so they can keep up with Mike Ellis while doing their A-E’s.

    • jazzlover

      That’s an interesting twist to Meals on Wheels 🙂

  • Jimmy3

    Fun Fact: Mike Ellis only wears a helmet to warm up his mayonnaise sammiches.

    • Observer

      Ewwww

      • Jimmy3

        You know you love mayo sam sams

        • Qbird

          no no, Tar*tar sammies, maybe… but not zee Mayo.

  • My ADSL hijacker seems to be going crazy this afternoon. Was it something I said?

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    (I really think it’s just someone in the neighborhood trying to scam a connection. Coincidence.)

    • Mark Allen Shreck

      there are a couple of different Geo positions by the IP addresses, so may be more than one user?

      • That’s my IP address. I’m tracking when it changes and when my umbraxenu.no-ip.biz DDNS catches up.

        • Mark Allen Shreck

          gotcha, sorry.

          • What I really what to know is what MAC address is the phone company DSLAM seeing. If someone is trying to jam a second modem on the line, it would briefly see a different MAC address — normally unlikely.

            Unfortunately, my provider isn’t the phone company, and I have to walk up two different tech support ladders to get someone who would understand the question.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Do an exterior line inspection to the pole if you are concerned.

      • No poles. Gray lawn boxes above the city boulevard. My next trick will be to inject a radio signal and see where it comes out.

    • flyonthewall

      you know what you have to do. Vaporize them all

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Xenu?

    • chukicita

      Why do I suddenly feel like doing calisthenics?

    • Dice ✓

      someone is trying to disconnect you as a service.

  • sizzle8

    SENIOR HCO INT ETHICS ORDER 1570 23 June 2012

    Only 1570 orders, not all of which are SP declares.
    Senior HCO was created in the early 80’s. Another sign that Scientology is dead.
    Would love to see a scan of the real thing with the approval channels on the bottom.

    There’s a policy called “How to Write a Declare”, basically how to make the recipient look like an ass and Scientology like an angel. I’ll have to dig it up.

    • grundoon

      Surely more than 1570 people have been declared?
      Does an SP declare have to be a Snr HCO Int Ethics Order, or can they also be issued from lower levels?

  • John Prince

    Too BAD those scientology MAGGOTS are unable to cancel MY superhuman powers ! How frustrating it must be for david miscarrige that ALL the ot 8’s and ALL the sea-org shitheads combined are simply powerless against the one sdufkawXXVII
    in the Galaxy (tee-hee!) ..The news just keeps getting better @@!!!

    ..just in case anyone is wondering how I could achieve Level XXVII so rapidly, I”ll spill the Beans..but you MUST promise to keep it a secret. .In true hubbardian fashion I applied my full assholishness and was able to skyrocket over the first 26 levels.
    Am I not amazing?

  • HabuFan

    (With apologies to Bil Keane and the Nietzsche Family Circus)

    • Graham

      You created a fresh disqus account specifically to post this? That makes at least three new posters over the last couple of days who have come here specifically keep the Rathbun issue on the agenda.

      • HabuFan

        *sigh*

        • HabuFan

          Better?

          • flyonthewall

            ….

        • flyonthewall

          ignore those fools. I still like you

      • pilgrim

        Are you including me in the “three new posters” you’re referring to here? Just curious.

        I don’t read all of the comments here and hadn’t gotten the memo that Rathbun was a forbidden topic here now. Last time I noticed there were some comments about him.

        So could you please link to Tony’s post about where comments about Rathbun are tabu? I must have missed it.

        • HabuFan

          Maybe we just need to sign up somewhere to be notified of the daily “agenda,” Pilgrim.

          But it is fun to see the accusations of “group-think” elsewhere countered here by scoldings about “the agenda.” Color me bemused.

          Have always thought satire is the best way to put some things in perspective – and that folks who can’t tolerate a little humor deserve to be its most frequent targets.

          PS:
          This is – gasp! – my *second* Disqus account. So..leave the sleuthing to Nancy Drew, perhaps?

          • flyonthewall

  • J. Swift

    Yet more evidence that Disconnection is not voluntary:

    “Failure to handle or disavow and disconnect from a person demonstrably guilty of suppressive acts.

    That a Scientologist can be declared an SP if they fail to “handle or disconnect” from another proves two key facts about Scientology:

    1. Scientology uses emotional blackmail as part of its psycho-terrorism. The Scientologist must use emotional blackmail to threaten another with Disconnection if they will not stop being critical of Scientology. This petulant cultist view is Scientology fascism pure and simple: “Stop attacking my religion or I will Disconnect from you.” Look at the violently emotional immaturity, threat, and coercive psycho-terrorism used by Scientologists in an attempt to impose censorship others.

    2. Hubbard liked to prattle on with his nauseating faux-Buddhist platitudes, but neither he nor any Scientologist is able to experience disagreement about Scientology. Hubbard:

    “Two Rules for Happy Living
    1. Be able to experience anything.
    2. Cause only those things which others are able to experience easily.”
    —L. Ron Hubbard Scientology: A New Slant on Life

    Scientologists cannot experience disagreement with Scientology. Hence, “handle or Disconnect.” Said another way, the Scientologist must engage in self-censorship and therefore acts to impose censorship on others when it comes to Scientology. When the Scientologist fails to impose censorship on another, the Scientologist disconnects in act of psycho-terrorism and moral cowardice. Disconnection is an explicit admission that Scientology does not, and cannot, work on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Dynamics.

    Disconnection is not something “which others are able to experience easily.” In fact, Disconnection is self-destructive and is a central reason why Scientology is destroying itself.

    • OOkpik

      In the dog-eat-dog world of Scientology the choice is yours;

      Eat or be eaten!

      However, you are always on the menu.

  • The Suppressive Person Declare above states how *PROTECTIVE* the church was to HIDE the declare from a public broadcast.

    The cherch does not do *anything* for anyone else’s benefit.
    It is ONLY self-serving.
    The true reason the cherch was embarrassed to do a broadcast release of the SP declare is that the Lembergers are both OT VIII and PR for OT VIII and Flag technology would have appeared cock’nbull hence it was done individually with a lot of R Factors and *damage control* and *explanations* on the how the cherch only came to that conclusion that Dani and Tami were *suppressive* after the million dollar journey to OT VIII.

    • ze moo

      So much of the language and content seem to be aimed at internal $cienoes that I see a lot of projection in the whole thing.

    • John Prince

      ..if only I could be awarded with a GIANT certificate declaring me to be SDUFKAW XXVII. .which didn’t cost me a cent!

      keep on kickin’ ass, Karen..

    • Dice ✓

      precisely

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Way to Happiness – some thoughts

    Mastery, belonging and autonomy are among the keys to happiness.
    Mastery?
    Wishful thinking about non-existent SupePowers such as OT, Clear and yogic flying
    is adolescent at best, the stuff of hero tales, comic books and fantasy.
    It is fun as long as the suspension of disbelief is voluntary.
    True mastery is hard-earned, not given.
    It takes thousands of hours and true masters as mentors, not quacks and spirit-thieves.
    People say practice makes perfect.
    But it ain’t necessarily so.
    False practice makes you really good at doing something that has no meaning.
    Wrong practice makes you really good at doing it wrong.
    There are an inordinate number of charlatans and an even greater number of innocents.
    In Japanese, one speaks of do, not jitsu – e.g. Chado, Iaido, Jodo, …
    $cientology waves a false promise of mastery, concocted by a man who could not master
    himself, much less anything else. What a terrible waste of honest searching it is as “practice.”

    Belonging?
    Ultimately we emerge from the universe, the earth, our mothers and families, our culture and
    our education, tempered by our experiences.
    We are social beings.
    Our identies are bound up in the many “belongings” we have, born with or assumed..
    And we develop “tribal ” affiliations frequently suborned by the myths of nation-states
    (a recent invention), of sports teams, of institutions such as political parties or of
    myth-systems such as the primacy of science, of religions or more dangerously, cults.
    The price we are willing to pay to belong is sometimes very high.
    People may throw away decades, even their very lives, to belong.
    Cults can and do exploit this.
    $cientology is particularly pernicious in that all other “belongings” must be sacrificed
    on the altar of Hubbard’s hubris.
    You are not your body.
    You are not your birth family.
    You are beyond being a member of your own family, of your society, of your country.
    Earth itself, your home planet, does not suffice.
    Rather, you belong to a trillions of years old mythic master race spewed from the addled meninges of a madman.
    More enlightened choices exist.

    Autonomy?
    Critical thinking skills, good health, curiosity, the ability to say “No” – all and more are required.
    And even then, the society in which we live can hamper and hinder our autonomy, though paying lip-service to democracy and freedom. Modern-day serfdom and slavery is common.
    But we can sharpen and develop these skills.
    And then well-being and happiness can follow.
    May follow.
    That’s why $cientology is terrified of autonomy.
    The cult exists solely for the kingpin at the top of their dung heap.

    $cientology is an anti-happiness organization.
    It denies the beauties and gifts of the world.
    It opposes love, family, connectedness.

    Life is an interesting gift.
    Health, meaningful work and loving relationships, I wish on all.
    $cientology?
    I wouldn’t wish it on any.

    • chukicita

      Oh, Pan, thank you for making sense!

    • OOkpik

      <3

  • Dave Reams

    What is a “Non-Enturbulation Order” ?

    • outraged

      Similar to a Non-sequitur?

    • A disciplinary measure designed to discourage perceived dissent.

      ¨Enturbulation¨ is a word made up by Hubbard to mean causing turbulence in the minds of his followers. They are supposed to be have great reserves of Theta (if they are following the prescriptions of Scientology to the letter). Enturbulating Theta is to cause doubt and confusion – which is what happens when a member (or anyone else – but usually a member) does not conform.

      A non-enturbulation order is a warning to stop rocking the boat or else worse things will happen to you.

      • pluvo

        It also means that when you receive one more report that you will be declared an SP.
        When I had my encounter of the strange kind with the powers that be, I got one.
        The threat of SP-declare is hovering over every Scientologists like the sword of Damocles and is used to keep people in line.

        • I didn’t know that – sort of ‘two strikes and you’re out?

          I think that, after a certain point, as the secret teaching revealed become increasingly bizarre and contradictory, it must be more and more difficult for Scientologists to suspend disbelief.

          The threat of disconnection seems to be essential to keeping ‘advanced’ members under control (and disposing casually of troublesome beginners who won’t go away).

          • pluvo

            I cannot describe the mental pressure which occurs in such situations when one tries to keep his thoughts straight with all the indoctrinations, the contradictions and cognitive dissonance and nobody to confide in. It was like a mental tied rope walk without safety net over an abyss. I know how somebody feels when losing his mind, having taken a glance into that from the verge.

            • I’m sorry to hear that (and glad you are free of it all, now).

              What outsiders (like me) find so hard to understand is why Scientologists suffering in the way you describe don’t just walk away – why is this
              inconceivable to them?

              It strikes me that the social isolation encouraged by Scientology is key to the ability inflict the kind of pressure upon members that keeps them under control. Its function seems to be to insure that Scientologists lose perspective to the extent that they don’t even consider seeking advice or comfort outside of the bubble.

              The time-consuming ‘training’ and the make-work also function to insure that members don’t ever have the time to sit down and think their situation through.

              I can understand that, in such a situation, you must develop a kind of tunnel vision, unable to see further than the next objective enforced upon you by Scientology.

              Add the threat of disconnection to this, and you have a powerfully manipulative apparatus.

            • pluvo

              What outsiders (like me) find so hard to understand is why
              Scientologists suffering in the way you describe don’t just walk away –
              why is this inconceivable to them?

              What you mentioned so far is correct. The fear a Scn has to “lose his Bridge” (and this is indoctrinated) is about like a person in the middle ages who feared to end up in hell.
              I know it is hard to understand, even for me now. I have a hard time to go mentally back to describe from that viewpoint. Also one has invested so much and would have to admit that one is a total failure.

              Think about that everything which has ever had value in your life is wrong, what you thought is wrong and the people you were with think you are scum. About like this. (Als you don’t know about all we know from the Internet about Scn and the scam and how many exes are out.)

            • So it’s a kind of psychological lobster pot, then. It promises something attractive and it’s easy to get into. However, the deepter you go in, the more uncomfortable imembership becomes – and it’s harder to back out. Eventually you can only imagine going further in.

              I’ve cut my losses a few times – but those situations have never taken place within an isolated social group. I’ve always been able to consult friends who have given a variety of differnt advice (because they are very different people).

              Again, I think that Scientologists typically only enter the state of mind that you describe after they have been seperated from anyone who might give them an alternative perspective. That’s why they can see no alternative, along with the fact that membership is so time-consuming and intense that they don’t have the opportunity to freely consider what is happening to them.

              It’s interesting that even you find your own experience difficult to understand when restored to a wider social world (including contact with exes and others via the ‘net).

      • stanrogers

        Jeez, you’d think a great big bunch of theta swirling around would be a good thing, wouldn’t you?

        • Evidently, every quantum of theta has to be flowing in the same direction, or else it is ineffective, a bit like your heart muscle – every fibre has to twitch at the same time, or you go into fibrillation.

          With practice, it seems you can rationalise anything, even if you are just playing at it . This is probably what Hubbard was doing (at least at the beginning).

    • pluvo
  • Todd Tomorrow
  • outraged

    Mega enturbulating off topic:

    How does this guy come up with these?

  • EnglishmanAbroad

    Off topic – just arrived at my doctor’s for a routine visit and the receptionist and the admins were talking – conversation went “John Travolta? He’s one of those Scientologists” “Yeah – they’re all crazy!”

    Sadly I didn’t have time to join the conversation:(

  • Stephanie Loving

    I got this link from Mike Rinder’s blog, from user XenuSon. Listen to OSA Director Yvette Shank lie. “Scientology is not about money at all. Anyone can just come to free Sunday Services and a minister can give a free assist.” Wow. She is so deluded and ready to delude others.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDkf4xiu5xQ

    • Justmeteehee

      Oh no, Shank is not deluded she is just a liar.

      • Yvette “We can find you” Shank.

        • Justmeteehee

          She’s some piece of work.

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      Now you say you have to be absolutely truthful. Sincerity is the main thing, and truthfulness is the main thing and don’t lie to anybody … and you’ll get ahead. Brother you sure will. You’ll get ahead right on that cycle of action, right toward zero! It’s a trap not being able to prevaricate* … This makes life more colorful!

      -L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course, lecture “How to Talk to Friends about Scientology”

      *
      Definition of prevaricate

      : to deviate from the truth
      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prevaricate

      • Sherbet

        Is that in TWTH, “Thou shalt not tell the truth; it shall get thee nowhere”?

        • Helen Van Patterson Patton

          TWTH is secular. Hubbard saved the lies for the ecclesiastical parts of scientology.

          • Sherbet

            Ah, yes. A fine distinction, Helen.

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • Qbird

    Any certificates or awards that have been issued to Dani or Tami Lemberger are cancelled. Any licenses or memberships they have signed to use the marks and works of Dianetics or Scientology are likewise cancelled.

    • chukicita

      So where do you go to turn in the gnarly, slightly used super powerz?

      Or do you ONLY have them if the church says you do?

      • Qbird

        ikr?! here we go again with how Scn. does NOT work ~ even on their best & brightest. Even according to them. It is so weird!

    • Qbird

      Now what is a Squirrel to do?! Continue business as usual?

  • TexasBroad

    I’m only peeking in so I’m sure its been said but how powerful can superpowers be if they only work iwhen a piece of paper says they do. Why, it’s almost as if it’s all bullshit.

    • Goldenrod, it’s like kryptonite!

      • Nat-leficent

        This needs a shoop.

    • outraged

      It IS all bs.

      I like the iwhen.
      The new virtual calendar by apple.
      You can see your schedule floating in the air above your nose.

    • gtsix

      Rinder put it so well (paraphrasing ):

      An SP is stronger than any ot8, as an sp being present cancels all OT abilities. An sp has the power to negate an ot.

    • Anony-Lurker

      Not almost as if, it is Bullshit propagated by a sociopathic con man.

      Those who are no longer members of the church but still practice the so called technology are still psychologically in.

  • Dani Lemberger

    Thank you Tony for posting this story and for your kind words.
    The only reason Hubbard is scorned is that Miscavige has committed so much evil under the pretense of being his chosen heir.
    Scientology is a philosophy for use by those who derive benefit from it. Enforced, it becomes damaging.
    Dror Center and other free Scientology activities around the world are flourishing because they simply provide good service with sincere care.
    Although Tony and I differ on some issues, Tony’s reporting and exposing of the abuses of the Church of Scientology are highly appreciated by myself and by those who consider themselves Scientologists loyal to LRH.

    • Supper Powers

      You have such an interesting way of looking at things. I throw LRH out with the bath water, but I can appreciate you articulating your defense of him in such a polite way. Thanks for popping in.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Dani, thank you for posting.
      Does your loyalty to LRH allow you to question the multiple fabulations in his biography?
      Examples abound – military hero, nuclear scientist, research he never actually did,…

    • Science Doc

      I greatly appreciate the civility that you and Tony have shown each other today,

    • Rasha

      Rasha offers you a comfortable seat and a fresh hot tea. Disagreements in some things, certainly, but a kind word and an honest opinion are highly valued. Thank you for visiting. ^_^

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you, Dani. I applaud your courage for breaking free of the dangerous organization that Scientology is. Best of luck to you. I do not think highly of LRH or the technology – but to each their own. My real beef isn’t with auditing, which I see as a type of therapy. My beef is with enforced disconnection, fair game, stalking, bullying, harassing critics, bankrupting families, driving people to suicide, beating people, locking them in the RPF, taking away their medicine, human trafficking, human rights abuses, child abuse, labor violations. As long as you aren’t doing that, go for it! Whether I see the value or not is immaterial.

    • pluvo

      Dani, you are a great and kind person. I think it’s what is you and what you with Tami and your group make out of Scn what is positive.

    • flyonthewall

      That’s very magnanimous of you Dani, thank you. Some indies like Merrell Vennier and his First Church of Scientology have called Tony a bigot, black propagandist and hate monger. You expressed agreement with these views as recently as Feb 2016 here – http://religiouslibertyleague.org/429-2/

      Have you softened on these points since then?

      • Sherbet

        Oh, my!

        • jazzlover

          “Lions, tigers and bears”

          • Sherbet

            It was more a George Takei “Oh, my!”

            • jazzlover

              LOL. I think my wires are crossed 😉

        • flyonthewall

          Ikr. It’s great he’s fighting CoS in court but that doesn’t give him a free pass in my book.

          • Sherbet

            Just one of the many things related to scientology that has me rolling my eyes and muttering, “I don’t get it.”

    • chukicita

      Dani, I appreciate your candor, even if we disagree. Thanks for your honesty.

      I’m one that thinks human beings have the capacity to organize and make sense out of anything — even nonsense — when they think it’s useful. If you got something out of Scientology, and you feel that made you a better person, I would propose that it had a lot more to do with you than it did with Scientology.

    • flyonthewall

      One more question if I may. When new people come to the Dror center do you tell them about Xenu and the OT levels, that Scientology can give them super powers? Or do you present yourself as a self-improvement center that helps with improving communication and other life skills?

      • Kim O’Brien

        do you think i could give them my credit card number and maybe they can use their skills to find my keys ? at this point ..i am beginning to think they they really ARE the only one that can help. I have given up and am just accepting the void

        • pluvo

          Have you checked in your car (under the seats)? I once lost a master key from a hotel and saw it only by chance hanging on the cable of the lock from the safty belt (hope this makes sense in English). Come on Kim, it’s time to find the damn keys. 🙂

        • flyonthewall

          🙁 You have spares and all that? I would try gypsy psychics before the indies. Have you tried a gypsy yet?

          • Kim O’Brien

            i have 1 spare to my car . My dad had in in a file cabinet . No spare to the front door …but spares to other doors in the house . I go through the garage . I’m classy like that

            • flyonthewall

              sweet

        • Sherbet

          A woman at work has been searching for a lost key all week. I’m starting to suspect aliens.

          • Kim O’Brien

            my family and I were up in the mountains on a nice hike , not far from our cabin . Decided to get the kayaks in the water ..and for some unknown reason , my dad set the car keys in the low grass ..under a tree . When we came back from kayaking ..they were gone . He swears that a beaver took them . This was 3 years ago . Everyone in my family …thinks that fucking beaver took them LOL and are razzing me like crazy . Massholes

            • Sherbet

              That’s so funny! The old beaver-key-theft ploy.

            • I once had a minimalist camping stove stolen by a badger, so I know how he feels.

            • stanrogers

              Now that’s odd. Badgers usually go for the features, y’know?

            • Who told you that … they can’t work the pumps on high-end pressure stoves with their little legs. They much prefer Hexamine stoves.

            • grundoon

        • Kim O’Brien

          guys..i’ver torn the place apart . Looked in freezers , laundry baskets , trash cans , under stuff , in stuff and all the other stuff . Pretty sure it’s obvious by now that the magic powers i learned years ago when i was in a coven in Boulder …have just grown too big for me . When my powers are enforced ..i can wish that things disappear . Like my ex , for example

          • flyonthewall

            did you try not looking? Serious question.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i am doing that now . Zen

            • stanrogers

              Are you suggesting they’re trapped inside an SEP field?

            • flyonthewall

              I didn’t know what that was and had to google it so no that wasn’t what I was suggesting. My wife is a Hitchhiker Guide super nerd though so she’ll be shocked when she hears me use it tonight. Thank you

          • Change the lock barrels, if you can (it’s cheaper than changing the locks) then your keys are sure to turn up.

            I always find stuff I’ve lost immediately after I buy a replacement.

          • They aren’t in the house. You dropped them somewhere.

          • Supper Powers

            Did they end up in the garbage?

          • Ella Raitch

            Any garden beds on the approach to the door?

          • thetastic

            I actually can’t believe you are still looking. I would have given up long ago. You have amazing perseverance.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Freezer.. check the freezer.

    • Anony-Lurker

      Oh Come on???

      Hubbard is scorned because of Miscavige??
      First of all, Scientology is not a philosophy nor is it a technology. These are two words Hubbard lifted to legitimize Scientology.

      Scientology is just a mish-mash of new age self help with a small bit of religious teachings, a nice dose pseudo-psychology and some sales and marketing techniques and very mediocre science fiction, all stewed together and taken to the most absurd and religious extreme.

      Though I have no doubt some might have been helped a bit, these people would have received the same benefit from reading a Dale Carnegie book, or listening to a Jung lecture or even meditating or daily jogging and all at a fraction of what an intro Scientology course would cost.

      I’m sorry but even putting forth this idea is like Donald Trump claiming that he will build a 50 to 100 foot wall or that his hair is real. His True followers will go through an incredible amount of denial and justification in their minds to believe this crap.

    • Tim Brown

      Very kind of you to contribute and compliment the reporting.
      And you are quite right about Scientology’s current toxic image being the fault of David Miscavige.
      But, I am afraid Mr Hubbard earned all of his scorn the old fashioned way by lying, cheating and stealing.

    • order66

      Though I disagree with you, I nod respectfully in your direction. You seem a decent fellow.

    • Alice Graves

      Oh Brother. Here we go again. Tony is a decent individual, and everybody says you are as well. But please don’t try to keep selling the pass you’re giving LRH, denying all of his lies and abuses. He still is the ultimate con artist of the 20th century.

      The good stuff he packaged that still works, but it wasn’t his “cognition” or technology. Knowledge of this type has existed for thousands of years if not longer, is part of the mystery of being a human being, and will be here forever to help humans realize their full spiritual potential.

      • Dice ✓

        Thank you!

    • Captain MustSavage

      Hello Dani, really interesting that you’re here and being declared suppressive by an organisation you’ve devoted your life to must be particularly galling.

      I’m a never in and would like to share with you my reasons for scorning Mr Hubbard, none of which have anything to do with Mr Miscavige:
      – he lied about his war record according to documents obtained from the navy by credible researchers like Lawrence Wright.
      – he ordered a 4 year old child, Derek Green, to be placed in a dank dark chain locker alone for days according to the credible eyewitness report of Hana Eltringham. Unconscionable. That alone should be enough, Dani.
      – he made claims that Dianetics could cure physical ailments without any scientific research to support such claims.
      – “All about Radiation” also made absurd scientific claims that were dismissed as school boyish by respected physicists.
      – he wrote the disconnection policy. Reprehensible. Responsible for untold damage to many many families.
      – he wrote the fair game policy. Dani, please tell me why you think it’s acceptable to be part of an organisation that instructs its members to harm other human beings?
      – the whole SP concept. Honestly, if the philosophy can’t manage dissent and differing opinions how robust is it really?
      – he claimed that Scientology could provide super powers via the OT course in the absence of any evidence whatsoever.
      – he lied about the risk to ones health if one heard/read about Xenu before properly prepared. I’ve read the OT3 material and am obviously still here

      Dani there are plenty more reasons but I could be here all day. My point has been that Mr Hubbard is scorned for his own actions alone, not because of the other fellow.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Thankyou for posting and sharing your point of view with us.

  • edge

    I do not agree with Hubbard. At all. Never will. That said, if you really believe in the results of the tech, than cancellation letters are like Superman’s powers being nullified by a legal note from Lex Luthor

    • stanrogers

      Oddly, that’s something he never even tried. Idiot! he’s probably thinking to himself right now on reading this.

      • edge

        To: Superman
        From: Lexcorp
        Your powers of super-strength, super-speed, heat-vision and whatever else you may or may not have are hereby nullified on receipt of this letter, for 5 years, or until Lexcorp has achieved the status of “world domination”, whichever comes first. WITH ENDLESS OPTIONS FOR RENEWAL!

  • Sonya
    • flyonthewall

      who gives a shit. Did you create this disqus accnt just to bring bs here?

      • Observer

        Not reading. Not playing the game. Not going to hate anyone.

        • flyonthewall

          nope, I’m not clicking on that crap either. These people are so desperate to keep that drama bs ball rolling it’s pathetic. Fucking laughable. Get a hobby

          • gtsix

            Even Drama Llama will not click link.

            Prolly cuz it’s a Llama. And for a Drama Llama, that’s just lazy.

            • flyonthewall

              Drama Llama can be quite deadly if provoked. Just sayin

            • Glen

              I hear Drama Lama is remarkably spiritual.

            • Sherbet

              The one “l” lama, he’s a priest.
              The two “l” llama, he’s a beast.
              And I will bet a silk pajama
              There isn’t any three “l” lllama.

              Thank you, Ogden Nash.

            • stanrogers

              Drama Llama down doo be doo down down. Breaking up is hard to do. (Sort of) Neil Sedaka.

            • Sherbet

              You’re dating yourself, Stan.

            • stanrogers

              Regularly. Nobody else will date me, Sherb.

            • Sherbet

              Rimshot.

            • Kestrel

              I’m stealing that line.

            • Ella Raitch

              Drama llama says if he’s needed again he’s charging triple time for this bullshit

        • Rasha

          I’m gonna go draw with chalk in the driveway. (skedaddles)

        • Sherbet

          Just think how excited you’re going to be a week from now, you and the other HowdyCon Artists.

          • Observer

            I see what you did there!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            HowdyCon will be so cool. You will all have so much fun! I wish I could go but I don’t want OSA to photograph me!

            • Sherbet

              They will have fun. Not I. I’ll be sitting here at my trusty computer with a tear in my eye.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              I look forward to live updates.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          No hate, just sadness. Moving on.

      • Robert Eckert

        I get the same “Sonya hasn’t commented yet” profile (or profiles of somebody else entirely) as when I tried to check the last seemingly brand-new shit-stirrer (“Cynthia”). Disqus is on a roll today.

        • jazzlover

          Sonya was the acct that made us aware of Tia’s live journal post the other day.

          • Robert Eckert

            third try I got her real profile: 3 comments, the one here, the one you just reminded us of, and I don’t know what other.

            • jazzlover

              I haven’t seen the 3rd one myself. There are so many possibilities – that could literally be anyone with an agenda, or not.

            • Robert Eckert

              There have been too many pop-up posters all trying to stir the same shit for it to be coincidence.

            • flyonthewall

              they really think we’re that stupid? When Espi got banned he took it like a man. Didn’t play little baby games like using socks to post links to whiny blogs and run to Marty for help. Just…some people have no shame.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              It’s the same 12 paragraph “goodbye letter” we’ve read in different forms several times. As someone who I thought was my friend, only to be dumped and labeled a “Bunker cultist” hurt my feelings. Frankly, I’d rather not hear about it anymore. It already hurts bad enough.

            • Frodis73

              This, my fucking computer broke, so i can only use this old crappy laptop. Glad I am not alone…esp considering she and I bonded over the fact that she knew my best friend a couple years before he and I met. How we never crossed paths is a miracle to me…anyway, I too am hurt. Hugs.

            • burythenuts

              I wrote at least three goodbye letters! Once because me and SPF got into it over Yoga Boy.
              The embarrassment is endless.
              And she was my one of my besties….

              I have to say though…my goodbye letters were less profound (I am dumber and much less verbose)

              Peace, Chica!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I highly doubt yours were less profound. 😀

              Good to see you, we seem to be ships passing in the night. *hugs*

            • jazzlover

              I’m not intimating “coincidence”. All I’m saying is that it’s difficult to know motive for sure. Has Tony looked into matching up IP’s, or is that just a lost cause?

            • Robert Eckert

              Oh absolutely it’s impossible to be sure about motive: I have several times felt sure someone was a Sci-ti plant, and discovered I was very wrong.

            • Supper Powers

              This is true.

            • Robert Eckert

              Much love!

            • flyonthewall

              looks like habufan deleted his profile 🙂 I really wish Tony would ban that Andrew freak. He mucks up the comments with gibberish, blocking him doesn’t prevent that

            • Robert Eckert

              He’ll get tired, they all do after a while.

            • HabuFan

              I suppose you think the duplicate key to the ward room icebox was a coincidence, too. And don’t get me started about the strawberries….

            • Ella Raitch

              *scratching head* I love oblique references but I’m not getting this 🙁

            • HabuFan

              Humphrey Bogart as Capt. Queeg in The Caine Mutiny. Long (probably too long) a pop culture Gold Standard for paranoia. Strawberries are involved.

              (The prosecutor here is the great Jose Ferrer, father of Miguel and uncle to George Clooney.)

              https://youtu.be/CLUZ0Nv7UH4

              BTW, speaking of pop cultural divides – whatever happened to Yahoo Serious?

            • Ella Raitch

              Lol – no idea

              But now we have Tim Minchin and Baz Luhrman

              We’ve come a long way baby

        • flyonthewall

          Whoever it is really wants to keep attn on that whole mess. Not playing, sorry

          • Kim O’Brien

            wow …pathetic . Honestly

            • Lucille Austero

              I know, right? It’s the same posts. Maybe they don’t have anything else to say. Some protest group. I thought it was gonna be like the Catholics and Orthodox, but, fizzle.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Yeah. Too much drama. Time to move on. I figure that in general, OSA spends a lot of energy trying to destroy critics and right now Tony and Mike Rinder are at the top of the list. So pitting critics against each other, getting people to walk away, fomenting discord – those are all OSA tactics. So Sonya could well be assigned to stir up the drama. I’d just as soon ignore it.

      • Justmeteehee

        It’s turning into a cottage industry, proceeds to OSA

      • DoveAlexa

        I’m flagging these guys as inappropriate, if that’ll help?

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      f5
      [img]http://i.imgur.com/EaaaWHx.jpg[/img]

    • pluvo

    • Glen

      Excerpt

      The OSA posters each have a Stat. The stats work

      something like this.

      Bonus Points

      +100 points for outing a critic

      +100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves

      +500 points for getting a critic to stop posting

    • J. Swift
    • kemist

      Dear lord, it looks like an edition of Freedumb Mag mated with the timecube guy’s website.

      I’m kind of embarassed for media_lush.

    • Missionary Kid

      Remember, whatever happens, OSA loves you.

    • The word “meretricious” somehow comes to mind.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Not clicking, Not interested, Over it All and Dont care.
      But It sure is mighty interesting that your only posts are just to stir the pot and cause trouble.

  • Jimmy3

    time on my hands
    could be time shucking clams

    • Sherbet

      Or smoking hams.
      Or building dams.
      Or knitting tams.
      Or

      • Kestrel

        ogling gams.
        weighing grams.

        • Sherbet

          Are you channeling Denise Gentile?

          • Kestrel

            Does she ogle gams?

            • Sherbet

              If it would get her some grams, probably.

            • burythenuts

              🙂

        • OOkpik

          .

      • Skabetti

        Shearing lambs
        Cooking yams
        Spreading jams

    • Glen

      Heaven help us….not disconnecting fams

      • Sherbet

        Never that.

    • OOkpik

      Or shaming shams.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Was I supposed to have Elton John songs stuck in my head now?

  • J. Swift

    A truly lulzy story: On the Cult’s smear website on Ron Miscavige, Golden Era band member McHenry Ellis complained about Ron’s pee on the floor:

    It was irritating to go into a bathroom that had his urine on the floor as he somehow couldn’t manage to clean up after himself, let alone improve his aim so he hit the toilet. It’s an absolute fact that since he left the bathrooms have been clean all the time, without a drop of urine on the floor.

    How McHenry knew it was Ron’s urine on the bathroom and not that of another band member was left unexplained. Did McHenry hover around the men’s room or loiter in a stall to conduct surveillance?

    The point here is that IJC Mike Ellis is the son of McHenry.

    Now we know why Mike Ellis was appointed IJC: Attention to crimes of all manner — from pee on the bathroom floor to “Engaging in malicious rumormongering to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers or the leading names of Scientology or to ‘safeguard’ a position” — runs in the family.

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Mike_Ellis.jpg

    • Observer

      Is Mike second generation?

    • jazzlover

      I’m honestly confused. Mike looks older than McHenry (unless his is a much older picture).

    • Sherbet

      “How McHenry knew it was Ron’s urine on the bathroom and not that of another band member was left unexplained.” Obviously, it was the COB-approved DIY DNA Kit. Spread blame where blame is due, the CSI way.

      • stanrogers

        Remember the smell wall and perceptics? Yeah. That. Very sniff. Such ID.

      • T-Marie

        Scratch and Sniff

    • Suzy

      Obviously OT superpowers allow you to know whose bodily fluids are left about.

    • Susan black

      Wow, Ron is really and truly an awful person…he missed the toilet and peed on the floor! Yeah, right. DM is just pathetic in his attempts to discredit his father.

    • Susan black

      So Mike Ellis is a born in? If so, I now feel bad for him.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I do and I don’t. I keep going back to something Jesse Prince said on Jeff Augustine’s podcast. I have to paraphrase because I can’t remember it verbatim now–essentially, it was the idea that in scientology you become both warden and prisoner. Which makes responses from the outside complicated. So I guess with someone like Ellis, while I feel sympathetic to the fact that he’s as trapped as anyone, that doesn’t make his behavior as IJC excusable or less reprehensible.

        • Susan black

          Yeah, but I still feel bad for him. He’s gotta have the worst job in the SO…telling people they’re thrown out, dismissed, and now shunned. Gotta stuff a lot of stuff in the pie hole to deaden those icky feelings and complicated thoughts, I’d guess.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I agree that it’s got to work on him subconsciously. I am sympathetic to that. But in his position, he’s hurt so many people, and I am not sympathetic to that. Like everything scientology related, it’s complicated…

    • aegerprimo

      What happened to Mike Ellis’s elbow? Zoom in.. it is red and chaffed.

      • Ella Raitch

        Is that from leaning on all floors to sniff out bathroom floor urine?

        • Kestrel

          As someone who uses a men’s room with some frequency, I can assure you that one does not need to get down on the floor to smell urine. Those big mints in the urinals aren’t there for eating.

          • Robert Eckert

            NOW you tell us!

        • aegerprimo

          Or… maybe from being too wide to sleep on a Sea Org bunk bed. An elbow squished into a wall can leave a harsh mark.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Looks like there is a great 3rd Friday of the month, free art gallery walking tour , on the Friday before HowdyCon . I love that stuff .

    • flyonthewall

      that could be cool. I like culture n shit *burp* *scratches ass*

      • aegerprimo

        Of course flies like all kinds of shit.

        • flyonthewall

          *shrug* Fly’s gotta eat

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      So you guys who go to HowdyCon will have great stats for next Thursday. OSA loses again. No way they can keep up.

    • I will be at work, sad, and alone until board my flight late at night and cruise through the air until early in the morning and finally land. Once I land I have a lonely train and then bus ride and then a short walk where we will be able to get day drunk together (i haven’t figured out how I am getting liquor yet). Then a short nap, lunch, another short nap then we head to wherever dinner will be to join the other vicious Howdycon cult members in our worship as we all carve Tony Ortega into our arms and sacrifice a sheep to the dark lord. Before a hopefully lovely dessert.

      • flyonthewall

        I was with you up until you said dessert. I hate dessert

        • Then you can have after-dinner dinner

      • Ella Raitch

        Pix plox

        • Oh there will be.

          • Ella Raitch

            None of this “what happens at…stays at…” crap – ok, maybe a little of that

            But some of us will need details…!

            • I will provide. Don’t worry. Private conversations will happen and no pictures will be taken of those who prefer to remain anonymous but I don’t think Kim and I are worried about that LOL

            • Liberated

              Completely OT, I’ve been meaning to ask you, are you really, really really, super-duper excited about the Ideal Org. opening up near you?
              I think I need to do some word clearing on the word “ideal”, cause that place ain’t lookin’ too great.
              First of all, I didn’t see any roads leading there, do they expect you to parachute in?

            • stanrogers

              No roads leading in is what makes it Ideal 🙂

      • burythenuts

        I just realized how frightening a “Derek and Kim O” combo could be!
        AWESOME!

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m smiling at the thought.

  • Observer

    Hmmm…idea for a Ron Series shoop. I don’t have time to look, and I’m afraid I’ll forget all about this in 10 minutes (thanks, Menopause Brain), but did Lafayette write any procedures on how to destroy critical groups by fomenting infighting? I know he talked about how to infiltrate groups more than once.

    • Sherbet

      Sounds like a case for J. Swift’s endless archives.

    • aegerprimo

      As an ex.. and Sea org ex… I remember it required to read Sun Tzu “Art of War”. Maybe L. Ron Hubbard referenced to it somewhere, kind of like Les Dane’s “Big League Sales” book.

      Just a thought.

      ETA: Seriously Obs … this is a good place to start
      http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/justice.htm

      • burythenuts

        YES!…Art of War!

        • aegerprimo

          BURY! Missed you!

      • Missionary Kid

        Yeah, but where’s the real Co$ playbook, The Art of Fucking Everyone Over, Then Fucking Yourself With Footbullets?

        • aegerprimo

          There will never be any books from the Co$ or written by L Ron Hubbard that are a true story.

    • Ella Raitch

      From Karen at ESMB

      From the “Targets Defense” policy letter, *DEPOPULARIZING* THE ENEMY is a prime policy.

      ??

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?42045-Mark-quot-Marty-quot-Rathbun-addresses-Tony-Ortega-Carmen-Llywelyn-and-Alonzo&p=1102020&viewfull=1#post1102020

      • Observer

        That sounds perfect.

    • chukicita

      Maybe some policy having to do with safepointing?

    • pluvo
      • pluvo

        If you scroll down that page there is the OSA points system listed (https://whyweprotest.net/threads/osa-tactic-for-crictics-in-fighting.51024/

        Excerpt

        The OSA posters each have a Stat. The stats work
        something like this.

        Bonus Points

        +100 points for outing a critic
        +100 points for getting the critics fighting among themselves
        +500 points for getting a critic to stop posting

    • burythenuts

      I want to say ‘yes’…. But I would have to go digging to find it.
      My mind is leaning to “orders of the day”…. Somewhere in that mess.

    • Missionary Kid

      I saw this on a T-shirt the other day, and it cracked me up.

      I don’t have ADD…
      Look, a duckie!

    • grundoon

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 26 DECEMBER 1968
      THE THIRD PARTY LAW

      I have for a very long time studied the causes of violence and conflict amongst individuals and nations.

      If Chaldea could vanish, if Babylon turn to dust, if Egypt could become a badlands, if Sicily could have 160 prosperous cities and be a looted ruin before the year zero and a near desert ever since – and all this in SPITE of all the work and wisdom and good wishes and intent of human beings, then it must follow as the dark follows sunset that something must be unknown to Man concerning all his works and ways. And that this something must be so deadly and so pervasive as to destroy all his ambitions and his chances long before their time.

      Such a thing would have to be some natural law unguessed at by himself.

      And there is such a law, apparently, that answers these conditions of being deadly, unknown and embracing all activities. The law would seem to be:

      A THIRD PARTY MUST BE PRESENT AND UNKNOWN IN EVERY QUARREL FOR A CONFLICT TO EXIST.

      Or

      FOR A QUARREL TO OCCUR, AN UNKNOWN THIRD PARTY MUST BE ACTIVE IN PRODUCING IT BETWEEN TWO POTENTIAL OPPONENTS.

      Or

      WHILE IT IS COMMONLY BELIEVED TO TAKE TWO TO MAKE A FIGHT, A THIRD PARTY MUST EXIST AND MUST DEVELOP IT FOR ACTUAL CONFLICT TO OCCUR.

      It is very easy to see that two in conflict are fighting. They are very visible. What is harder to see or suspect is that a third party existed and actively promoted the quarrel. The usually unsuspected and “reasonable” third party, the bystander who denies any part of it is the one that brought the conflict into existence in the first place. The hidden third party, seeming at times to be a supporter of only one side, is to be found as the instigator.

      This is a useful law on many dynamics. It is the cause of war.

      One sees two fellows shouting bad names at each other, sees them come to blows. No one else is around. So they, of course, “caused the fight”. But there was a third party.

      Tracing these down, one comes upon incredible data. That is the trouble. The incredible is too easily rejected. One way to hide things is to make them incredible.

      Clerk A and Messenger B have been arguing. They blaze into direct conflict. Each blames the other. NEITHER ONE IS CORRECT AND SO THE QUARREL DOES NOT RESOLVE SINCE ITS TRUE CAUSE IS NOT ESTABLISHED. One looks into such a case THOROUGHLY. He finds the incredible. The wife of Clerk A has been sleeping with Messenger B and complaining alike to both about the other. …

      It goes larger. The revolutionary forces and the Russian government were in conflict in 1917. The reasons are so many the attention easily sticks on them. But only when Germany’s official state papers were captured in World War II was it revealed that Germany had promoted the revolt and financed LENIN to spark it off, even sending him into Russia in a blacked out train!

      One looks over “personal” quarrels, group conflicts, national battles and one finds, if he searches, the third party, unsuspected by both combatants or if suspected at all, brushed off as “fantastic.” Yet careful documentation finally affirms it. …

      Sometimes two parties, quarreling, suddenly decide to elect a being to blame. This stops the quarrel. Sometimes it is not the right being and more quarrels thereafter occur.

      Two nations at each other’s throats should each seek conference with the other to sift out and locate the actual third party. They will always find one if they look, and they can find the right one. …

      An accurately spotted third party is usually not fought at all by either party but only shunned. …

      Quarrels between an individual and an organisation are nearly always caused by an individual third party or a third group. The organization and the individual should get together and isolate the third party by displaying to each other all the data they each have been fed. Rioters and governments alike could be brought back to agreement could one get representatives of both to give each other what they have been told by whom. …

      — L. Ron Hubbard

    • grundoon

      David Miscavige’s favorite: the “Simon Bolivar” PL (THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF LEADERS – HCO POLICY LETTER OF 12 FEBRUARY 1967) should give you lots of material.

    • grundoon

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 5 OCTOBER 1971
      PROPAGANDA BY REDEFINITION OF WORDS

      … The trick is – WORDS ARE REDEFINED TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROPAGANDIST. …

      Many instances of this exist. They are not “natural” changes in language. They are propaganda changes, carefully planned and campaigned in order to obtain a public-opinion advantage for the group doing the propaganda.

      Given enough repetition of the redefinition, public opinion can be altered by altering the meaning of a word. The technique is good or bad depending on the ultimate objective of the propagandist.

      “Psychiatry” and “psychiatrist” are easily redefined to mean “an antisocial enemy of the people.” This takes the kill-crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions. This is a good use of the technique as for a century the psychiatrist has been setting an all-time record for inhumanity to Man.

      The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended. …

      The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible.

      Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards.

      This, so far as words are concerned, is the public-opinion battle for belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this technique of propaganda. One must know how to do it.

      – L. Ron Hubbard

    • grundoon

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 21 NOVEMBER 1972
      HOW TO HANDLE BLACK PROPAGANDA

      “Black propaganda” (black = bad or derogatory, propaganda = pushing out statements or ideas) is the term used to destroy reputation or public belief in persons, companies or nations. It is a common tool of agencies who are seeking to destroy real or fancied enemies or seek dominance in some field.

      The technique seeks to bring a reputation so low that the person, company or nation is denied any rights whatever by “general agreement.” It is then possible to destroy the person, company or nation with a minor attack if the black propaganda itself has not already accomplished this…. It is intended to reduce a real or imagined enemy, hurt his income and deny him friends and support…. Black propaganda is essentially a fabric of lies.

      Don’t stay on the same subject that you are being attacked on. An example of speaking up without denying and thus confirming might be

      STATEMENT. “I read your company went broke last month.”

      REBUTTAL: “My God. You’re telling me! If we hadn’t got out of that contract we really would have gone broke. There was a hell of a row in the board room. But McLinty won. Scotch to the core. He said, ‘I won’t sign it!’ Like to have tore the president’s head off. Hell of a row. Seems like we got 80 million buried somewhere and McLinty is in charge of it and he won’t move an inch on it.”

      The interrogator’s conclusion is you’re not broke. He’s got data. The vacuum is filled with a story of board rows and 80 million mysterious reserves.

      EVERY FRIEND, EVERY OPINION LEADER, EVERY STAFF MEMBER YOU HAVE, SHOULD BE SUPPLIED WITH A DEAD AGENT PACK CONTAINING PROOFS AGAINST COMMON RUMORS (AND BROCHURES AND COACHING TO FILL THE VACUUM)

      ONLY COUNTERATTACK HANDLES.

      The fact is that just going on PRing oneself does not remove the effects of the campaign, and all too soon one no longer has communication lines left in order to handle anything since reputation is so destroyed no one will listen and no lines remain. One has to fill the vacuum of the counterpropagandist’s evil deeds. As these are never exposed to view, there is a vacuum there.

      There are opinion leaders, there are letters, there is word of mouth. These are also channels of communication and really far more powerful than the press.

      There is also friendly press. But a friendly-talking reporter is often the most suspect. He was so nice in the interview, so vicious in his article.

      Statements one makes can be curved. “She had a birthday party” becomes “The delinquents in her circle gathered yesterday for a sex orgy and pretended to the police it was a birthday party. No one was jailed.”

      The brand of black propaganda is very easy to see in writing twists. So it takes time and work to reverse an attack because normal channels have to be reopened and reversed. It is done by attacks. But attacks which are not true earn suits. So one must attack only on proven ground. …

      The principles are that when the subterminals are located, they are investigated and counterattacked. Then further investigation reveals closer terminals to the propagandist and these are attacked. In short, one investigates and attacks. …

      In any event, the attack is a long cycle, a complex cycle and often an expensive cycle. It consists of investigate and attack. But remember, one must attack once he has any idea of the identity of the black propagandist or even his subterminals. There is no other way out. Any other course is death. …

      – L. Ron Hubbard

    • grundoon

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 15 AUGUST 1960
      DEPT OF GOVT AFFAIRS

      Under this department comes the corporation’s solicitors, attorneys, chartered accountants and any attorney or accountant hired directly by the corporation for outside legal or tax or filing purposes….

      All contracts, filings with the government, all tax reports and their preparation, corporation minutes, annual meetings, legal papers, suits against and by the corporation, whether HASI Ltd or HCO Ltd. all legal investigatory work and detectives, all contacts with government agents, bureaus and departments, all assistance to governments, messages to governments, handling answers from governments or courts shall be cared for by the Department, whether to advance or protect Scientology or its corporations by government or legal channels….

      It is clearly understood that the Department… is enjoined from forcing government laws or rulings upon the Central Org or HCO by threat of danger or ominous advices, nor may the Department employ either solicitors nor accountants who specialize in ominous advices to the Orgs since the Orgs could be discouraged or impeded by such.

      The object of the Department is to broaden the impact of Scientology upon governments and other organizations and is to conduct itself so as to make the name and repute of Scientology better and more forceful.

      Therefore defensive tactics are frowned upon in the department. We are not trying to make the Central Orgs and HCOs “be good”. We are trying to make their reach more secure and effective. Only attacks resolve threats.

      In the face of danger from Govts or courts there are only two errors one can make: (a) do nothing and (b) defend. The right things to do with any threat are to (1) Find out if we want to play the offered game or not, (2) If not, to derail the offered game with a feint or attack upon the most vulnerable point which can be disclosed in the enemy ranks, (3) Make enough threat or clamor to cause the enemy to quail, (4) Don’t try to get any money out of it, (5) Make every attack by us also sell Scientology and (6) Win.

      If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Peace is bought with an exchange of advantage, so make the advantage and then settle. Don’t ever defend. Always attack.

      Don’t ever do nothing. Unexpected attacks in the rear of the enemy’s front ranks work best.

      Never put the organization on “wait” because of courts or other matters. It’s up to the Department to make the actions of HCO Secs and Org Secs right, not enjoin right actions on the HCO and Org Secs.

      To win we must have treasure and verve. If a Central Org and HCO function perfectly as service units then treasure and consequent security for the further advance are to hand. If the Department operates with verve and elan, even with rashness, it will afford a screen behind which organizations can work.

      Example: BMA attacks Scientology in Australia via the government. Answer: throw heavy communication against the weakest point of the BMA-its individual doctors. Rock them with petitions to have medical laws modified which they are to sign. Couple the BMA attack with any group hated by the government. Attack personally by threats or suits any person signing anything for the BMA. Slam the matter into politics, advance a bill into parliament that strips the BMA of ail legal rights by opening healing to all. Make the attack by the BMA look ridiculous. Attack medical practices. Investigate horrible practices loudly. (Always investigate loudly never quietly.) Make the distinct public and governmental impression and BMA impression that they’ve run into a barrage of arrows or electronic cannon and that continued attack by them will cause their own disintegration. As all this is being done on a thought or idea level the restimulation of their engrams results in the total impression that they are surrounded by their own dead and the battery may fire again at any minute. And if one makes in writing not one slanderous or libelous statement, there is no defense by them. This example is patterned on what just happened and what we did in Australia where we are winning strongly.

      The personnel of the Department should be freed of past track legal and governmental overts by the HGC using evening auditing. This is a must or the Department will otherwise attract attacks. Further, the higher the department personnel is raised on “control” through running help, the less action will have to be undertaken by it and the more it will actually accomplish without violent action.

      The goal of the Department is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is done by high level ability to control and in its absence by low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies. Scientology is the only game on Earth where everybody wins. There is no overt in bringing good order. …

      – L. Ron Hubbard

    • grundoon

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 29 APRIL 1965 Issue III
      ETHICS REVIEW

      Scientology Ethics are so powerful in effect, as determined by observation of it in use, that a little goes a very long ways. Try to use the lightest form first.

      Students are quite caved in by it when it is applied, by actual observation.

      Our lines are too powerful and direct and what we mean to a person’s future, even while he or she is nattering, is so well understood down deep that Ethics action is a far worse threat than mere wog law.

      The being who is guilty knows with certainty that he is offending against the future of all, no matter what his surface manifestations or conduct. Further, while wog law at the worst can only cause him or her some pain and a body by execution or one lifetime’s loss of liberty, we threaten his eternity. Even while he screams at us he knows this down deep. …

      Even the fellow who could push the button on atomic war knows, really, it’s only one lifetime per person he is blowing up, only one phase in earth’s existence he or she is destroy- ing. That we exist here could actually restrain him. The mere destruction of a planet might not as it’s temporary.

      Our discipline is quite capable of driving a person around the bend because of what he or she is attacking.

      Therefore we can all too easily make a person feel guilty by just a whisper.

      I’ve now seen a student, simply asked a question by Ethics, promptly give up and ask for his Comm Ev and expulsion. He hadn’t done more than a poor auditing job. Nobody was talking about a Comm Ev or expulsion and he had not a bit of defiance in it. He just caved right in.

      You are threatening somebody with oblivion for eternity by expulsion from Scientol- ogy. Therefore realize that an Ethics action need not be very heavy to produce the most star- tling results….

      One Suppressive Person who had committed a High Crime of some magnitude, went quite insane after departing Scientology and then realizing what he had done.

      Therefore, use Ethics lightly. It is chain lightning.

      – L. Ron Hubbard

    • grundoon

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 18 FEBRUARY 1966
      ATTACKS ON SCIENTOLOGY (Continued)

      … The basic discovery was that the interrogation of a policeman produces a confusion and an introversion; it is his job to interrogate-so you reverse the flow, mix up his “hat” so he doesn’t know who is which, and you reach for his own doubts. These people who attack have secrets. And hidden crimes. They are afraid. There is no doubt in their minds as to our validity or they wouldn’t attack so hard at such cost. Society tolerates far worse than we are…. And when we investigate, all this recoils on the attacker. He withdraws too hurriedly to be orderly.

      An attacker is like a housewife who tells City Hall how terribly her neighbours keep house. But when you open her door, the dishpans and dirty diapers fall out on the porch. All you have to do in lots of cases is just say you are going to rattle their door knob and they collapse.

      I can count several heavy attacks which folded up by our noisily beginning an investigation of the attacker.

      Our past liability in this was that we depended on outside firms, enquiry agencies, etc. And these have too many clients and we have too little control of their direction. The answer is to organize and maintain our own proper corps for this action. …

      – L. Ron Hubbard

  • Tory Christman

    I can’t believe that fat slob (sorry to people
    Overweight…..this is meant about a man saying he is my
    “Only Terminal”/person I can speak with ) & he has
    NEVER called me, met with me or *any* communications.
    I had begun to believe this post must not even
    ~really~ exist. To see him is shocking. What a bafoon!
    Thanks Tony for the article.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Hm. It doesn’t look like he gets around too fast, and if you ever saw him you would certainly recognize him! Maybe we need to send our spies out to find him.

    • Missionary Kid

      As a person who has lost 100 pounds and kept it off, and doesn’t lord it over people who can’t/won’t lose it, you’re entitled to call him a fat slob, or anything else.

    • thetastic

      I find it interesting that he’s healthy enough to bike, but couldn’t possibly get on plane for a court case.

  • aegerprimo

    The pic of Mike Ellis on a bicycle reminds me of this….
    https://youtu.be/BYB3Fx0a8-4

    • stanrogers

      And that’s how you wind up living in a van down by the river.

    • April

      I love this movie. And Chris Farley. <3

  • Glen

    O/T:

    I don’t know if folks were following the rape case at Stanford that recently finished with the result that the convicted young rapist only got a 6 month sentence.

    The woman that was victimized wrote an incredibly powerful statement which she read in court. It might be too upsetting for some sweet, sensitive souls because it goes into some detail about the assault and its effects.

    I just read the open letter that Joe Biden addressed to her and it is amazing. Here is a link if you care to read it:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/joe-biden-writes-an-open-letter-to-stanford-survivor?utm_term=.nbKxZlKyk1#.nm5wYrvzjD

    • jazzlover

      Thanks for posting this. I’ve been following and it all makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. The culture of entitlement, the moronic words of Turner’s father, the way the defendant’s lawyer tore this woman to shreds. As the father of a teenage daughter, I am horrified…….and scared. Biden’s message is strong, and brave, and gives hope. Part of this falls on the NCAA, and on universities only interested in profiting and NOT teaching. As it always has. And it’s the whole reason I don’t follow college sports anymore. It’s a slave culture run wild.

      • Glen

        I hope your daughter is always safe and strong. I’m sure you are raising her that way and that she is enfolded in love. I was really moved by the young woman’s statement and by Biden’s open letter. It was a horrible thing to happen but I am always inspired when out of darkness comes light.

        • jazzlover

          Thank you. My fear is that all the love in the world won’t prevent something like this from happening because of this culture, which has been prevalent forever. Anybody who doesn’t believe that the Sandusky crap from a few years ago is related in some way is fooling themselves. Turning the blind eye is the common thread here. Athletes (and I’m not saying they’re the only problem) being unleashed into society without a sense of right from wrong is a huge problem that no professional sports league feels they need to deal with.

          • Glen

            I take your point, jazz, and the dysfunctional culture around athletes is troubling. But this awful rape culture is far beyond athletics, military, college campuses…although it certainly has been manifest there.

            • jazzlover

              It’s all part of a larger WHOLE. A symptom of a much bigger problem, if you will. I don’t know how to change this, but I do know it needs to change.

            • Scream Nevermore

              As a foreigner, there are things that I see in the news/online about the USA that makes me think that women are not particularly valued there. Especially among the religious right, or whatever they’re calling themselves now. I’d suggest getting rid of their influence as a starting point for changing things.

            • jazzlover

              I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but I think you bring up a valid point. Honestly, both gender AND racial inequality has existed here pretty much since the beginning. The issue of “religious right” only really plays in certain parts of the country. And I’m not at all sure that we are the only country where women are undervalued. Similar (or worse) treatment of women in general exists in parts of Asia and certainly in Middle Eastern nations. I sometimes do get the feeling that PEOPLE in general are undervalued here, though.

            • Scream Nevermore

              I suppose it just comes over as more shocking in the USA. Parts of Asia/the ME are still not as ‘developed’ (for want of a better word) in their attitudes, but one tends to regard the USA as being very much so.

            • jazzlover

              Yup. Part of the problem is that we blow a lot of hot air. That alone makes the hypocrisy much easier to notice.

          • Frodis73

            Speaking as a woman,,,it wont prevent it, but it does help. I wish the men that laugh off rape culture could spend 24 hours as a woman to know what its really like. I think theyd be shocked….
            I absolutely agree with you about the whole sports entitlement and money stuff…its a disaster and feeds this stuff. I went to college with a football team that didnt win one game and those asshole were treated like KINGS. They couldnt win a game to save their lives but got treated like that…i can only imagine how bad it is at a place with a winning team.

            • jazzlover

              This happens everywhere people are taught that they are “special” because they have a skill that most others don’t have. This engenders a culture of entitlement, which further engenders the rape culture. Take a look at how many NFLers, for instance, are arrested every off season, or at how many baseball players this past off-season were arrested for spousal abuse. Or how many times the Blackhawks’ Patrick Kane gets a free pass for assaulting women because he happens to be one of the best players in the NHL. The list goes on and on. And if they felt this way while in college, there is nothing in place to stop them from continuing to feel that way in real life, It’s not only a problem in sports, but the whole role model thing that goes along with sports certainly doesn’t help the way other regular folk feel. I’d like to be able to say that it all starts with what you learn at home from your parents, but I’m not sure it’s that easy.

            • Frodis73

              I agree about the parents thing and that its just not that easy. We all know people that had asshole parents that turn out great and vice versa…societal pressure plays a bigger part in a lot of areas…and like I said to MK, love and worship of money over common decency is (literally) killing us.
              Re the pro sports stuff…im in cleveland and ppl were making excuses for that johnny manzel dude for MONTHS before they finally realized he was an asshole. It;s everywhere and money trumps all it seems.

            • jazzlover

              Man, Manzel’s a mess, isn’t he? Fwiw, Frodis, I strongly believe that the “cult of family” is the strongest on earth – yes, even stronger than scientology!. Is it always a destructive one? No, of course not. But damage ALWAYS trickles down from generation to generation, and there’s virtually no way of stopping it. The best one can do is recognize it’s there as quickly as possible, and do the best one can do to deal with and counteract it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Think about what it must be like to go to a school with a national championship caliber winning team that has the coach being paid more than the President.

              Then, think about the athletes that have Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) damage from playing football from a very young age that gives them problems with anger management and proper decision-making, then get them drunk, which makes problems worse.

            • jazzlover

              Are you blaming a rape culture on concussions, which, btw, not every athlete is doomed to suffer from? At some point, the athlete has to take responsibility for the decisions he/she makes. Nobody twisted their arms to be herded into slavery. It’s a choice. Many of them develop personality disorders as a result of those choices. Many of them learned those disorders from their parents. Was Rothlisberger a major douche and prolific date rapist because he got hit too hard in high school? Read the Stanford rape victim’s open letter to her attacker. This guy thought that his biggest crime was bad decision making caused by drinking too much,

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m definitely not blaming the victim, but pointing out the unintended consequences of some of the byproducts of 1) lionization of athletes who bring big bucks to a school 2) the brain damage that athletes can be subjected to.

              Being coddled and protected by a school doesn’t teach the athlete self-control, and CTE could make that lack of self-control even worse. More and more instances of big college cover-ups of star athletes have surfaced in recent years.

              It’s highly doubtful that the swimmer from Stanford had CTE.

              At least one person has speculated that O.J. murdered Nichole and her friend and held up the sports memorabilia people because of his lack of impulse control.

              Rothshit was also involved in a heavy duty motorcycle accident as well, so that could have contributed to his actions, but ultimately, all three assholes are responsible for their actions.

              My late brother-in-law taught at USC, and he said that he had a deal with the football team: They didn’t take his classes, and he didn’t flunk them.

            • jazzlover

              You make a strong argument. The issue of athletes and entitlement has angered me for a long time. There are, of course, many factors at play and the issues of rape and violence extend well beyond the sports world. After reading Biden’s strong statement last night, I found myself becoming incensed all over again. I apologize for your catching some of my backlash.

            • Missionary Kid

              No harm, no foul. I thought that perhaps clarifying my statement would help, and it obviously did.

            • jazzlover

              I should also say that I am very familiar with the Penn State mentality. It is and has always been quite cultic. Amidst all the horror surrounding the Sandusky situation, their alumni finding it appropriate to complain about Paterno losing his wins was stupefying. I was shocked and angered, and I wasn’t the only one.

            • Missionary Kid

              Major sports, like football and basketball on college campuses should just admit that what they really are is farm teams for the NFL and NBA.

              I’d like to see them divorced from colleges, pay the athletes, and give long term medical care. The NCAA makes too much money from the sports.

            • jazzlover

              That’s why I call it “sanctioned slavery”. But yes, you make a good point. I’m wondering if it’s workable, though. It’s more common for hockey players these days to come out of a college program, but back in the old days, they came straight from their parents’ farms and then Canadian junior leagues, and had a bigger sense of humility because of it.

            • Frodis73

              I know right? It is fubar. Our worship of money is costing us our humanity.

    • Susan black

      Today in Palo Alto some twenty potential jurors ( out of a pool of ninety) refused to sit on any jury in the court of the same judge who gave the Stanford student six months. This ain’t over.

      • Glen

        I saw that. Also, the rapist’s friend from Ohio wrote a letter on his behalf that made excuses for his crime. She’s in a band that had some gigs in NYC and several venues cancelled in response to her perceived defense of the rapist and its backlash.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Then she apologized. Edit to add I can’t find the article. She was a friend of his and put in a statement and said something that to me sounded like she was blaming the victim for being drunk. Then her band got a bunch of cancellations and then she apologized. A bit hypocritical? I don’t know.

          • Glen

            It originally was a very tepid apology with allusions to the unfairness towards herself. When she finally realized the intensity of the reaction to her, she apologized more strongly.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Thanks Glen.

        • Skabetti

          Because her rationale was something like this: The woman was unconscious and unaware that the rape was happening to her, so it’s not fair to press charges. I guess if you aren’t aware of it, it didn’t happen. Or something.

      • jazzlover

        Hopefully not.

      • Frodis73

        This warms my heart. Wasnt he up for re-election the other day? I thought I heard that…

        • Glen

          He was running unopposed. There is an online petition that has gotten close to a million signatures to remove him from office but that has no legal weight.

          • Frodis73

            Ah ha, that explains it.

          • Robert Eckert

            There is a more formal petition for recall being prepared. That will be circulated in the county once the language has been approved.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      God bless this brave young woman.

    • MarcabExpat

      Joe Biden is a national treasure.

      It’s ironic that he has such a reputation for gaffes, because he also has a gift for speaking meaningfully on a level that no one else in our government can match.

    • Missionary Kid

      Ashleig Banfield read it on CNN. It kicked ass. In addition, there have been celebrities who took turns reading it.

      If this judge even manages to stay on the bench, he’s gonna spend a lot more time looking at the convict, rather than reading all of the statements supporting him.

      The kid’s father is a douche. Has anything been heard from his mother?

    • Frodis73

      This story has my beyond pissed…how that amazing woman stood up and read that in the court room baffles me…I was in tears throughout her letter. That judge is pathetic…so is the rapists father…how fucking dare he characterize what his son did as ’20 mins of action’. Wtf? I am so disgusted by both of them…and the system and our culture.
      Joe gets it and I am glad he wrote that letter.

    • Missionary Kid

      I find the kid’s behavior absolutely reprehensible, but I do want to add something, and it’s a caveat.

      I came from a teatotaling family. When I went away to college, I started drinking, and gloried in my ability to get shit-faced. I will say that I drank too much, and the same thing in the Marine Corps and back in college. Everyone did it. There were occasional drinking games, and a lot of people got fairly well lit at college parties and elsewhere.

      That being said, the amount of individual alcohol consumed at one time by young people in college and the rest of society is substantially higher than anything that I witnessed or participated in. The tradition of doing multiple shots, as well as the amount of drinking games and use of funnels, etc. was something that I didn’t see. The alcohol levels I’m reading about, starting in high school are WAY over what I witnessed. I went to a well respected academic university, that has always had a reputation of being one of the top party schools. I even made my own fake ID that enabled me to drink in a lot of bars.

      This asshole can blame his behavior on being drunk, but that doesn’t excuse the behavior. I knew enough guys who would try to get their dates drunk to lower their inhibitions, but if a woman passed out, that was a big stop sign. Friends protected not only their friends, but others that they saw overindulge. It wasn’t all goody goody. A lot of shit happened that would get someone put in jail today for the things that went on then, but, while people got drunk and they often did stupid things, but assaulting an unconscious woman was still sexual assault, and against the law.

      • Captain MustSavage

        Funny how the kid was too drunk to know that he was raping someone when he was alone with the girl, but not too drunk a minute later to understand that his actions were wrong in the presence of witnesses and not too drunk to make the decision to try to escape arrest.

        • Missionary Kid

          What people forget is that one is legally responsible for things they do when drunk. He, especially, should never touch another drop in his life, if he’s smart, but with a dad like his, he doesn’t have much of a chance, IMO.

          • Captain MustSavage

            Yep, good old dad did not help him out here.

  • madame duran

    It’s past 2pm Thursday in these here parts but I still feel some special gifts are in order to celebrate another miserable Sea Org day trapped in the Scientology Cult Bubble.

    HowdyCon 2016 countdown (thanks Pan for the daily reminder): http://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/1466161200000/america-new_york/dhms/FFFFFF3B5998000000FF0000/HowdyCon_2016

    No On-Air Programming since SMP Grand Opening: http://www.tickcounter.com/countup/1464462000000/america-los_angeles/owd/FFFFFF3B5998000000FF0000/No_On-Air_Programming_since_SMP_Grand_Opening

  • The lack of self-awareness of Scientologists is a gift that keeps on giving. Behold the structure of the Ideal Org plan as illustrated on a Scientology promotion posted to Rinder’s blog

    • Not enough yellow squares.

      • edge

        If you squint really, really hard, they’re almost done! And this is a project over 10 years old!

        • Dave gonna have to use IAS funds. Again.

          • edge

            Guess he can’t go to the Duggan/Cartwright well too many times?

            • Kestrel

              Speaking of which, with all the money she has donated, how can the top square not be filled in?

            • edge

              There have been flyers that have shown her to be a contributor, if only by her initials or her Valley Goddess Governor whatever title. The ad says this is yet another match game, so who’s contributing the other 50% of the status upgrade amounts? Could it be her, just anonymously? Or could it be the IAS itself in desperation?

            • Kestrel

              How many other “generous valley contributors” are there?

            • edge

              Clearly not enough. If they had a whale willing to part with 9 figures to assume all the risk for an empty boondoggle it would’ve happened by now. Even the super-rich Kool-Aid drinkers in the largest concentration of Kool-Aid drinkers have their limits, I suppose.

            • Kestrel

              There’s no way the Valley Ideal Org cost is estimated at $100 million, is there? Even if it is lower, the Ideal Orgs have not brought in the public as promised. Someone with that kind of cheddar probably doesn’t want to throw good money after bad, but it’s happened before.

            • edge

              You’re right. I’m sure I’m on the high side. 8 figures is far more likely. Still, with 8 orgs in the L.A area you can argue that even if it is the highest concentration of Scientologists it likely also is the most-tapped out group of Scis, and also soul-crushed. They certainly should be seeing how a television studio was purchased and opened in a few years by the church itself, while their pet project slogs on and on…

          • Kestrel

            One has to wonder why he’s letting this one twist in the wind. It is, after all, the greatest concentration of scientologists in the world. Are they making amends for being in lower conditions, or something?

      • All you have to do is build the pyramid. Then the scheme is complete. But it’s definitely not a pyramid scheme.

      • MrsLurksALot

        Or, one could say too many…..

      • Skabetti

        That yellow looks a little goldenroddy to me.

    • Kestrel

      Is it possible that the white squares are the ones that are done and the yellow squares are the ones that need to be completed? It has to be. After 10 years, they only have 36 out of 500 “Contributor” squares done? Were I a member, this would send me over the edge.

      • grundoon

        Maybe this is the new 2016 chart. In Scientology, when you get to the top, you have to start over – or whenever a new campaign starts.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      There are more squares than they have public at this point. That would mean it will ‘never’ get done.

      • Lucille Austero

        They can’t spare a square.

    • Lucille Austero

      They are on fire.

    • stanrogers

      Let’s face it: none of these people want to be a mere Silver New Civilization Builder with Honors; it’s Diamond-Encrusted Platinum New Civilization Architect Maxumus with Highest Honors and a Plaque to go with the Bowling Trophy… or nothing.

      • Rasha

        Maybe it was this afternoon, but now, for a few hundred thou more (900 to be exact), you get an Emeritorious shoved in there, and a 2x pedestal for the bowling trophy.

    • grundoon

      Just needs DM standing on top pissing on the ranks below.

      • burythenuts

        Blast from the past! Good to see you.

        • Kestrel

          It’s good to see you, too!

        • grundoon

          Hi Bury! Been missing you!

      • Orglodyte

        That’s the yellow part.

    • Missionary Kid

      Kinda reminds one of a pyramid scheme, doesn’t it?

      • oknow

        Indeed it does.

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        …vaguely 😉

      • Exactly!!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Oh, I remember this:

      (refresh)

      • LOL

        • Qbird

          Listening to your talk on The Mental Illness Happy Hour Derek.
          very cool.

          • Awesome! I think that’s my favorite thing I’ve done so far

            • Qbird

              yeah, easy talk… a good conversation. i like hearing your voice.

            • Thank you! I hate hearing my voice haha. I really enjoyed talking to Paul though. He was great. It was a great conversation.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Goodnight Bunker

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Goodnight moon.

  • order66

    Just got off the phone with Mom. It’s her birthday. I had a nice long talk on the phone with my oldest godson the other day. He just graduated from high school. Talked to the youngest godson on his birthday last week, although he was so excited I could barely understand him.
    If you’re in the church and reading this, and you’ve been forced to disconnect, you’re missing out on moments like that. CALL YOUR FAMILY. Maybe you’ll get in trouble. Maybe you don’t like your relatives, hell I don’t like half the people kin to me. Call them anyway. NOW.

    • order66

      And to prove that the middle child really is forgotten, I should mention that I also had a chat with the middle godson. We made fun of the dumpster fire that was Batman V Superman.

      • jazzlover

        Middle children really do need the love 🙂 (speaking as the male sandwiched between 2 females)

        • Kestrel

          No. Low hanging fruit.

          • jazzlover

            That would explain a lot 😉

        • order66

          I’m an only, so I don’t have that issue. If something went wrong in the house, Mom knew who to blame: Dad.

          • jazzlover

            bwahahahahaha 🙂

          • burythenuts

            Best.Line.Ever!

            • order66

              Thank you. I’ll be here all week,

          • MrsCop

            Exactly. Oh, the memories! hahaha

  • outraged

    This Suppressive Persons Declare(?!?) by Mike Ellis is pretty pathetic. Sounds like he took a template and copied it word for word. There is no proof, no substance to what he wrote.

    On the opposite end, what Dani and Tami accomplished in Israel is real, tangible, something you can grab on to and bite. They gave MONEY and TIME and SUPPORT. Not words that vanish in the night but actions and deeds. All Ellis did was twist and turn and copy letters onto paper. He can basically write whatever he wants. Make it up out of thin air. Dm decrees, Ellis declares.

    Scientology has thrown out the baby with the bathwater and is left with deflated rubber duckies.

  • TexasBroad

    So, I bought a 247 page hardbound The Way To Happiness book at Half Price books today. Refresh for photo of pages instructing one to fill in the “To/From” book plate sticker and present it to someone “whose actions,however remotely, may influence your own survival” and then to give them several other copies without names so the recipient has copies to give out as well (and so forth, I imagine). I think the owner made a mistake because a name is stamped (not written) on the “To” line and the From is blank.
    In any event, I’m taking it to HowdyCon and collecting Bunker friend autographs. Choose your chapter thoughtfully. 🙂

    • TexasBroad

      I’m tired…forgot the pics…

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        That kinda sounds like a chain letter scam. SMH

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Gee, it’s like someone wanted to… sell a bunch of books.

  • There will be sec checks at HowdyCon.
    Just sayin’.

    • Missionary Kid

      You gonna administer them? Let me say, on my behalf, fuck you or anyone else who tries! 😉

    • burythenuts

      🙂 DoEet

      • And there will be declares.
        Mass declares.
        I have the cans, and you have no right to refuse to pick them up.
        Start taking your Lithium Orotate now, or suffer the consequences.

        • Missionary Kid

          Declare me now!!!!!

        • FredEX2

          For a few dollars more you can get your golden rod declare already framed and ready to hang on the wall. A nice decorative touch for any bathroom.

          • The frame makes it very awkward to wipe with.

          • Missionary Kid

            Get it laminated and you can mount it in a urinal for a male aim point.

    • April

      Does it involve pat down searches? If so, I’m in.

      • It didn’t, but in your case an exception can be made.

        • April

          Woohoo!

    • kemist

      Checks you say.

      I like checks.

      • You won’t like these.

      • burythenuts

        Mostly from ” Big Pharma”?

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    A bit OT, but… Does this sound like a cult you know? “Donald Trump Has a History of Not Paying His Bills” http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/trump-didnt-pay-his-bills-for-decades.html – this is also a theme for Scientology – they don’t pay their bills until they are almost past due.

    • Orglodyte

      He reminds me of LRH in many ways. My favorite Trump story is the one when he pretended to be his own PR agent and told the interviewer how popular the Donald was with the ladies. Hilarious and so Ron-like.

    • kemist

      I think they both have the same personality disorder.

  • flyonthewall

    Habufan is good people. Be nice to Habufan

    • HabuFan

      Or. Else.

  • flyonthewall

    Jimmy is bad people. Kill the Jimmy

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m tired of that shit, O.K? We all make spurious comments, but, IMO, there’s no need to push electrons around just to get a rise out of people.

      You are often a very funny person, and I appreciate that, but on the other hand, to me, you can act like a 4 year old in the room who won’t shut up. I often find your OT comments funny, but posting just to post to fill space doesn’t get it for me. Maybe I’m just crabby today, and I know that I’m guilty of making spurious comments myself, but this comment just hit me wrong.

      • flyonthewall

        MK is crabby people. Give MK a pet

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks, I probably need one. 🙂

          • beauty for ashes

            Maybe grumpy cat? f5

            • Missionary Kid

              Naw. To me, Grumpy Cat is just an attempt by people to anthropomorphize an animal. I like cats as cats, and dogs as dogs.

            • beauty for ashes

              LOL. I relate to the sentiment expressed and it makes me laugh at myself. Its art therapy. Plus for whatever reason looking at animals releases oxytocin, the feel good chemical, in your brain.

            • Rasha

              I have a Golden Retriever who lives down the street who does that for me. Luv to see her run down the sidewalk to crash into me….. ^_^

            • George Layton

              Here you go.
              Dogs and camping.

            • Missionary Kid

              Where’s their tent?

          • Ella Raitch

            I’m on board to love-bomb a crabby MK….I think he’s adorable!

            • Missionary Kid

              Awwwww! Thanks.

    • FredEX2

      LOL! Fly is funny people. Laugh at the fly. ( then swat him with the flyswatter!) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b991de8eda3fe8ec0d7c2a3e62874c2efd302a7cad387a2b9b4a1d89bc5b9f30.jpg

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Flyswatter? That’s not the modern way:

        (refresh)

    • Jimmy3

      I agree with this toddler.

  • flyonthewall

    Fly is bad people. The Fly must be squished

    • burythenuts

      SWAT!

      • flyonthewall
        • burythenuts

          Chickenshit!!!
          😀

        • beauty for ashes

          I’m gonna give you a penalty for using this two days in a row. Go sit in the box Fly.

          • flyonthewall

            MK says I act like a 4yr old. You tell me to go sit in the box. You guys are meanies and I’m taking my Legos and GOING HOME!!

            • beauty for ashes

              YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID! F5
              Ps, I thought I was being funny. maybe I was but today for whatever reason I am super sensitive. **climbs in the penalty box with head hung in shame**

            • flyonthewall

              what? no, get out of there right now missy! *sobs* you were being funny, it was I who wasn’t being funny! *wail* Gimme a hug!

            • Rasha

              …This week, on a very special “Bunkeroos”…

            • beauty for ashes

              Shut up and get in the hug!

            • beauty for ashes

              Okay. Let’s go have a good cry and hug it out.I just got done journaling about Tia, and realized how personally I am taking it, and how it feels like a death. Because I can’t reach out to her. **honks nose** Puffs plus with lotion?
              (((((((((((((((((((((BIG SMOOOOOOSHY HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              You aren’t alone in feeling that way beauty. *hugs* ❤❤❤

            • beauty for ashes

              Wait, I thought she’d still talk to you! I’m gobsmacked. Woah Nola, aww . Big big big hugs((((((((((((((((nola))))))))))))))))))))

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Well, when she first left the Bunker she did. Since getting wrapped up in all the Marty/Alanzo/Carmen drama I’ve not gotten a single email response from her so I assume I’ve been cut out of her life too.

              That really hurts because I supported her decision to step away from it all if it was affecting her health and told her it would have no bearing on our friendship.

              Apparently, now I’m just another “bunker cultie” That’s funny because I thought I was her friend….guess not. 🙁

            • beauty for ashes

              You know, I thought , she at LEAST will continue to talk to Nola. I have witnessed enough to know you are a true friend, and supporter of Miss Tia. Maybe she won’t tell us though, and if I need to see if she’s okay, I can ask Nola. Miss Tia is literally the only person I trusted to have my real name and email address. When I thought I needed to trust someone to dox that my sister really did die in this strange way, and this real life shit is actually happening, I trusted Tia .
              I can’t tell you how hard that is for me to trust someone. And make new friends. And feel safe around other people. I’m crying writing this Nola, I have to be honest. I really care about Tia, I have gotten angry at other people who messed with her. I felt protective and sisterly towards her.
              And I could care less how she feels about the bunker, I have left the Strict Christian faith and still have friends who remained. I have friend who sincerely believe alien conspiracy theories FFS.
              I feel like the worst thing is she is clearly saying~ don’t reach out to me, and so I can’t say any of this to her. Everytime I reached out to her it was about her well being, let me know how I can support you, don’t worry a thing about HC, it will all come together, just let me know how you are. No answer, and my anxiety soared. How can she think she can’t trust me or lean on me or accept the way she feels? I don’t understand.
              I really don’t understand why she wouldn’t trust you, who’s loyalty is BEYOND! This makes me worry

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              *hugs* Don’t cry honey. I know it hurts but we can never know what it going on when someone will not let us in. All we can do is remember the good times fondly, try to forget all this mess and wish her the best, which I do.

              If it’s truly something she did for her own well being then we just have to respect that. This new stuff that’s been posted, I don’t know, nor do I understand it. All I can do personally is not give it any attention. I doubt fanning the flames will help. Probably best to just let it go and move on.

              Just don’t let this experience make you think that everyone here is like that because that is far from the truth. ❤❤❤

            • beauty for ashes

              **sigh** I don’t think everyone here is like that . thank you for letting me vent.
              If I couldn’t say it to Tia, at least I could tell it to someone who can understand. And if there is any chance Tia is still reading, at least she would see that people really do just unconditionally love her. And will still be her friend, no matter what she believes. <3 <3 <3 Thank you Nola, you really are a good one.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              *hugs*

              You’re quite a gem yourself honey. ; )

            • Random observation: in the UK, the word ‘Lego’ is only used in the singular. Parents will say – ‘put your Lego away’ no matter how many bricks are lying about. Nobody ever says “Legos’ (plural).

            • flyonthewall

              i know the correct way but I don’t like it, it just doesnt sound right to me

            • I wasn’t suggesting it was ‘correct’ (in fact ‘Legos’ makes more sense, because you obviously need more than one to do anything. )

              I was just entertained by yet another variation between British and American English.

            • flyonthewall

              If you want to be really anal retentive about it, the plural is Lego bricks not just Lego. Legos is unique to Americans and we are working hard to make that universal 😉

  • Off topic. A really nice couple I know got rear ended badly yesterday on a highway by some asshole who was driving and texting and not paying attention. At least one of them totally blacked out from the impact and was carried out on a stretcher by the EMT folks. They both are limping a little today, but hopefully will fully recover soon. They complained to me about all their music gear being destroyed, that was in the back of the car.

    So, destroyed gear and band rehearsal, destroyed car, and most importantly – almost destroyed lives.

    Please, don’t fucking text and drive or anything and drive. Just Drive. Responsibly.

    • Rasha

      This.

      • flyonthewall

        you posted that while driving didn’t you?

        • Rasha

          Not a car, anyway. And I don’t have a motorcycle. Keep guessing.

          • flyonthewall
            • Rasha

              …..(listens)…….. (watches)……….. (bobs head)…………. (listens) …….. (does a little sway step)………..(watches)………..(removes headphones)………. (takes a small drink)…

              ……. nope. Not one of them.

            • beauty for ashes

              I appreciate the quality of this comment.

          • Texting and walking is killing people too.

            • Rasha

              ‘Tis true. I have pulled people out of the path of vehicles, people and opening doors, and they continued texting, not hearing me explain what almost just happened……

            • Its insane.

            • Apparently, there is a Japanese application that provides a window of the top of your screen showing a feed from the ‘phone’s camera, so you can see where you’re going without looking away from it.

          • TheLurkingHorror

            Toilet?

      • Thank you, Rasha. I’ve seen people drive while texting, facebooking and all. Their vehicle is potentially a huge murder weapon. Not just a car. And I reminded it to them.

        • Rasha

          I am totally with you on this.

          • burythenuts

            Ditto. On my three week road trip……the WORST times were phone/texters

            • Rasha

              Hi, Bury!!!! *waves*

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          And now I’m seeing ads for new cars that have their own Wifi?!!?? WTF? We need more people with an internet connection in their cars? I f**king hate when people text and drive.

          I don’t even touch my phone in my car, I even have a cute little message that auto-sends/answers texts or calls with a message that I’m driving. 🙂 I’m hoping to beat it into the little mans head before he starts driving….which won’t be long.

    • There are neurological studies showing that people are unable to stop. Even after causing an accident.
      It goes back to the “fight or flight” response.
      Until devices are disabled in cars, the slaughter will continue.

      • burythenuts

        You know… I am all about responsibility…. But you have a valid “Cognitive” point!

        • Sit around a fire in the woods, and see if you can resist a tap on the shoulder.

      • kemist

        Soon we’ll all have self-driving cars in any case.

        Then people will be able to sue the company when they mistake the gas pedal for the brake :
        http://electrek.co/2016/06/06/tesla-model-x-crash-not-at-fault/

        • There is no suit, but self-driving cars can be one way out of this nightmare.

      • Others studies show that, while driving, the congnitive demands of a conversation on a hands-free ‘phone are just the same as one on a hand-held device. In other words it’s thinking about the conversation that provides most of the distraction, not holding the device.

        Of course, texting while driving is a whole new level of insanity. I was once passed by someone on a UK motorway. He was going over 80mph (the limit is 70) and shaving in his rear-view mirror with a battery-powered shaver.

        Some people should be declared psychologically unfit to drive, and banned for life.

    • Texting While Riding a Motorcycle
      It really gets good around 1:00.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJP-XhY_SCw

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    If someone leaves the CO$ does their name still remain on the Truth in Scientology completions list webpage? In other words, when someone Googles your name and $cientology are you forever going to be outted as having been stupid enough to have hooked up with this cult? Anyone know?

    • MarcabExpat

      I’m not the person who compiles those, but I think I remember their explaining that the completions are compiled from published lists. Thus the dates; they come out in this or that issue of a magazine. The compiler cautions that the lists are not comprehensive and may be out of date, which suggests to me that they’re frozen in time. The last time I looked someone up, I noticed a statement that if you see someone who has old completions but no new ones, it may be a good sign that they are out, or possibly UTR.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I wonder if someone could request to have their name deleted. I’m guessing that most exes would rather not have people finding out about their association with the CO$. It could negatively affect your post-clam life IMHO.

        • jazzlover

          I’m a never-in, so what I’m about to say is only a best guess. Given their propensity to lie, cheat, steal, force, fair game, hound, mistreat, shit on, use, kill, etc., do you really see such a request being considered?

          • Robert Eckert

            Scientology is not who maintains those completion lists.

            • jazzlover

              Apparently, I’ve misunderstood for all this time. Who maintains them?

            • Robert Eckert

              An Old Guard protester who combs through back issues of Scilon magazines. The name is mentioned somewhere downthread a little.

            • jazzlover

              Oh ok. So then getting one’s named removed should be easier than I thought, assuming he’s “findable”.

    • Ella Raitch

      AFAIK – these entries are taken from Scientology publications, so it is aggregation of public information. This information was compiled by Kristi Wachter – her bio page on the site was last updated in 2007. It is not complete but there are some reasonable recent completions listed so it is being at least partially maintained.

      There is an email address listed (info@truthaboutscientology.com) and a link to Kristi’s personal blog, but that doesn’t appear to have been updated since 2014.

  • kemist

    Mike Rinder’s thursday funnies are full of gems today. Anyone else feels Uncomfortably Energetic ?

    • kemist

      (In case some don’t get the reference)

      -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
        • jazzlover

          FTW. That movie was hysterical, and I might add, pretty damning 🙂

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Cult classic.

            ETA: Uhhh…you know what I mean, though. ; )

            • jazzlover

              Has me in stitches every time I watch it. And every time I watch it, I become a little more convinced that something similar could actually happen here.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              There are certainly days when it feels like we inch a little bit closer…

            • jazzlover

              We’ll find out how much closer in November, I suppose.

            • stanrogers

              Sadly, I’m more convinced each time that something similar is happening here.

            • jazzlover

              Apparently topsy-turviness is more universal than even I thought. I’m sorry to hear that.

          • It was a documentary.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Like 1984? 😉

    • Robert Eckert

      It has electrolytes!

      • kemist

        And 400 kenyan babies !

      • scottmercer

        It’s got what plants crave!

    • Is it Real Water from Brent Jones? (Which is alkaline in a way that doesn’t register on pH strips.)
      http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/6/63/Realwaterconc.jpg

    • Scream Nevermore

      Not sure Red Bull would approve of their can being mutilated like that!

  • Kim O’Brien

    I got hit on today for my 47th birthday 😉 ..( 6.9.69 ) ….refresh

    • Rasha

      VERY BIRFDAY, YOUNGSTER!!!!!! MANY CAEK!!!!!!

    • Paul V. Tupointeau

      Happy Birthday Kim :-))

      Next they’ll be asking for your I.D. to buy beer 😉

    • Reminds me of my balls. Happy Birthday!

      • Rasha

        I hope you understand the pain of cranberry cocktail rocketing through the nasal cavity, Dodo….

      • Ella Raitch

        You mean you forgot about your balls?

    • Baby.

    • Jimmy3

      How you doin???

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Happy birthday! May your titties always be proud to go commando. ; )

    • TexasBroad

      Happy Birthday Kim! Hope all your birthday wishes come true! I googled “handsome man birthday cake” “man in sarong birthday cake” and “keys on birthday cake” and now I have been gone a long time. I come back with this… (Refresh)

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Happy Birthday Kim!

    • Qbird

      Happy b~day Kim O’BriEn ~ https://youtu.be/EAgNNPSMY1M

      • Scream Nevermore

        Hahahahahaha! Though I have always thought that part of the reason that the All Blacks do so well is an almost perfect knit between the Maori and the Scots who went to New Zealand. Our ancient cultures are quite similar. Not to mention we both have generous amounts of the ‘headbanger’ (not in the metal music sense, but the Scottish colloquial sense!) in our DNA!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I liked 47. Everyone should just stop there.

      • Kay

        Me too….that was actually my best birthday and the one that bothered me the least….everyone SHOULD stop there, absolutely !

      • I concur. I loved my 40s.

    • Newiga

      Congratulations, Kim! I hope you had fun on your special day!

    • Missionary Kid

      Was it a good hit? (Were they worthy of you?)

      HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

      I’d graduated from high school, been in college, then the Marines, and was back in college when you were born. You’re only 9 months older than my oldest. – Now I am feeling old. 😀

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Happy Birthday Kim.
      Hope you had a good day.

    • Juicer77

      Happy birthday, Kim!! Do something fun. xoxo

  • WOG3232
  • For Baby…

    • Jimmy3

      Awful. Just horribly awful. Cigarettes are one thing, but those babies are way too young to be smoking pot.

      • Kay

        Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy……laugh !!

        • Susan B.

          At least they won’t get lung cancer b/c they don’t appear to have any.

    • Robert Ramsay

      🙂

  • Fink Jonas

    “false attests to training courses in Scientology technology going back to his first courses and up to his last training.” So why did they let him continue to his highest point if they knew he was falsely attesting?
    Scientology don’t care if you false attest or not, all they care is DO YOU HAVE MONEY FOR THE NEXT STEP! if the answer is yes, then you attest whenever you want to. Maria Pia Gardinni from Italy said she wasn’t making any gains she knew it was all BS, and would attest just to move on from the stupid repetitive routines and they move her up because she was a soft target to get money from without much resistance. Scientology knows it is a con and they don’t care if you reach the EP or not because there is no EP, is up to the PC to say if he has achived the EP or not if he say yes then that’s what it is and up you go, so they cannot accuse him now of ”false attest” when they had agreed and signed to it too, but that only shows how TWO faces they are.

    • It’s a strange situation – you mark you own final exam, your results are only checked if you annoy your lecturer and the result is always retrospective expulsion.

      Thing is, they make money from both ‘students’ and ‘auditors’, so it hard to say that everyone knows it is a con. Part of what makes the situation so effectice is that, once these people have been perusaded to fool themselves, the are then deployed to fool each other – and the money keeps rolling in.

      The puzzle is why people like Gardinni know that it is not working for them, but take the next course anyway. Why keep going if you are getting nothing out of it?

      • Fink Jonas

        Pressure, once you in a roll with them is hard to get rid of them, Maria said whenever she intended to not continue they would show up to her house unannounced at late hours at night and they would not leave her house till she signed up for the next level, and the next level involved traveling to USA or other cities in Europe and the cycles got very involved that she didn’t know if she was coming or going.

        • Presumably, this is only done to people who are ‘advanced’ Scientologists and considered to be ‘good prospects’ for a sale. Keeping the victim on the back foot, and not giving them time to think seems to be a cruical part of the mix.

          It’s a very labour-intensive procedure and I hope it will fall into relative disuse as Scientology’s membership continues to contract and they no longer have the staff to do it. Miscavige’s ‘events’ try to concentrate a lot of people in one place so as make ‘regging’ more effecient, so maybe this is already happening, to some extent.

  • Interesting article at Raw Story about Moral Reconation Therapy. I disagree that it’s “Scientology-based”, but maybe I’m too narrowly-focused?

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/goldman-sachs-is-sponsoring-a-scientology-based-jail-re-education-program-and-its-growing/

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I read some of the article. I skimmed most of it but read the chart that the Author said resembles the Scientology Ethics Conditions.

      With a lot of mumbo-jumbo sounding words added, I can see that the basic structure IS the Scientology Ethics Conditions. Without being able to see the materials in detail, it is hard to say how much of it is Scientology.

      I would look for cross connections in personnel with Scientology’s other criminal rehab program: Criminon. And comparisons with the materials.

      I definitely got the Scientology vibe from this stuff. The secrecy alone and the suspicion associated with anyone looking into it, the lock in of government funding through up red flags.

      Someone had been using the Scientology Ethics Conditions to create this Moral Reconation Therapy and (Hubbard said “Ethics are Morals” basically) heavily disguised it.

      I would look into the supposed PHD the guy has and see it it might be as invented as Hubbard’s.

      It just smells as a next level of obscuration of a Scientology moneymaker, like the renaming of the Narconons.

    • Ella Raitch

      Tremendous article

      Little and Robinson credit a man named Ron Smothermon with giving them the names and framework for the stages on the Freedom Ladder. Smothermon appears in online searches as a kind of self-help guru, author of texts such as Winning through Enlightenment, The Man-Woman Book and Conversations With Life.

      He seems to have some associations with cult-like movements, particularly EST (Erhard Seminars Training), a self-help program trendy in the ’70s, and its repackaged descendent, the Forum (which was succeeded by Landmark, a more mainstream management training program, which today has clients like Reebok, Microsoft, NASA and Lululemon)

      Lululemon doing Landmark? I thought they are Scientologists? Wouldn’t this be squirrel?

    • It’s a commonplace around here to observe that Hubbard plagerised most of dianetics and Scientology. He drew many of his materials from what someone called the ‘cultic millieu’ – the totality of fringe ideas. I agree with you – the same is probably true of MRT.

      Many of the characteristics of MRT – for example the double-bind described by Raw Story – are present in Scientology. However, just about every other high-control group has some kind of double-bind. Only the justifications vary. The ‘ladder’ could be knock-off of ‘the Bridge’ – but also Jacob’s ladder – or even that TV series.

      MRT sounds to me like a lucrative mash-up of many influenes, including psychbabble and Christianity. The creators have found a viable combination of second-hand ideas which has brought them members (who are, in this case, a literally captive audience). There might be a little Scientology in there, but even those influences you can identify may have come from other groups which exhibit the same behaviors.

      Scientology’s eccentric grammer and vocabulary seem to be absent, too – and that’s something that people influenced by Scientology can rarely resist.

    • Juicer77

      Another example of how the public now equates $camatology with anything mean, sinister and/or greedy! Paging AegerPrimo to the Bad Press lists *again.*

  • Kay

    Wildflowers during my walk-about today…

    • Juicer77

      :))))

  • I recall an account (possibly published recently) talking about Hubbard’s various hideout locations after he left Gold, but before he settled in Creston: a few ranches here and there.

    Does that ring a bell with anyone?

    (I think it includes a description of the vehicles people were driving at the time. I want that.)

    • Ella Raitch

      Was it something by Jesse Prince?

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Something about a Sparks NV in BFM or somewhere.
      Edit – no Sparks was where Broeker was hanging out when Dave came looking for OT9+
      (from Aaron’s vid with Mike)

  • Jazzlover, Claire was wonderful as was her quintet, with Steve Hudson and John Schott being standouts.

    • Glen

      Hey Artoo. Although I had a falling out with Jessica some years back, I was there at the beginning of the HJF and was a public radio jazz dj for 4 decades including many, many years at KRCB. Glad you are having fun with the music. I think it is the best small town jazz festival in the country.

      • jazzlover

        You may be correct, simply because it’s in a beautiful part of the country. This one isn’t so bad. But, since jazz isn’t the main feature, it’s not as encompassing and extensive. The grounds and setting are beautiful, though:

        https://www.caramoor.org/visit/?gclid=CP6B9dSxnc0CFZA2gQodqwQJbw

        http://www.apassion4jazz.net/cmf.html

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramoor_Summer_Music_Festival

      • Sadly J dawg is her own worst enemy. I happen to understand her and am able to talk her out of her tree in most cases. It wouldn’t be the same without her vision and passion, but yeah, it’s easy to get sucked up by the tornado if you’re not careful.

        • Glen

          Yes, she is quite a force of nature in her own way. I regret my own thin skin that was also a part of our estrangement. The thing is, she has just about the most tender heart you could imagine but in her drive it often gets covered and tangled in some prickly personality traits. I will always wish her the best and there is no question that her vision, passion, relationship with her musician friends and integrity have created something special at HJF.

          You (and your company) are a tremendous graphic artist. “Call Me” was brilliant in design and execution. Do you know Gregor and Christine who preceded you at HJF?

          • Thanks for the kind words. No, I don’t think I’ve met Gregor and Christine. I know a Christian. I have known many Jessica’s in my lifetime and haven’t always been able to be understanding of their foibles, but I get her and we fight less and less each year, so one of us is probably learning something. Not sure which one. Off to Joey Alexander!

    • jazzlover

      Nice shot! Glad you enjoyed it. The art gallery setting is so civilized 😉 Must have been splendiferous!

  • Fink Jonas

    “Julie Schossow and Marilyn Putt, went missing”…. uhm intriguing!!! what is the relation of this two ladies to sinister cult?

    • Juicer77

      That seems to be what the police are trying to figure out. In a case from that long ago, it must be some new information triggering the inquiry. Perhaps someone keeping silent all those years ago has decided to share information with the police? Perhaps a friend or relative of these women, doing research to help solve the case, found something that the police think is worthy of following up?

  • Juicer77

    For us early birds, or globe trotters, don’t miss Fred’s protest post from yesterday. Bonus: smile from “Auto!” 🙂 https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/the-church-of-scientology-international-is-a-suppressive-group/

  • John Prince

    ..looks to me like that Fat Bastard mike ellis needs to disconnect himself from his easy-chair a bit more often. .he’s a walking heart attack just waiting to happen. If he’s lucky, tom cruise will be there to stick his superpowerfull ot finger up ol’ mike’s ass while he’s flopping around on the ground..

    • Juicer77

      Take a deep breath, JP. Perhaps there is history (unknown to me) with Ellis that gives you good reason to hate him, but he’s still a human being under all that cult-think. At least I hope he is. 🙁

      • John Prince

        Juicer, my friend, I hope we can agree to disagree. You’re obviously a much more benevolent and forgiving person than I. I wouldn’t go as far as mocking a dying scientologist , like AGP, However I can (sort of) understand why a gay person might do such a thing, considering scio’s position on homosexuality. If you think I overstepped the Boundries of good Taste, I can appreciate your opinion..perhaps you’re right. I didn’t WISH Fat-boy ellis a heart attack. .But I did take a Nasty swipe at him, as well as tom cruise. If you were to call me a Spitefull motherf#@ker ,I couldn’t argue with you. .maybe you missed my comment about “in true hubbardian fashion,
        I applied my full assholishness..” in truth I couldn’t care less if Fat-boy lives or dies, I merely took a low blow at him as a mouthpiece for all the good Folks who DO have good reason to hate him, mainly the victims of “disconnection” . I wish to see co$ go down in Flames and I have no problem “kicking them while they’re down”
        Know what I mean? I implore you Not to think too harshly of me. ..after all I AM the only super-DOOPER-ultra-fucking-kick-ass-Wog XXVII ,a titel I carry with tremendous Pride thanks to GOOD peeps like You!

        • Juicer77

          XD, I love the “full assholishness…” I did miss that when you first posted it. LOL
          No offense taken at all, I get that your comment was directed at Ellis as the incredible asshat who rips apart families with his bare hands and then disappears like the coward he is.
          PS Where can I sign up for the SDUFKA Wog XXVII starter club? 😉

          • John Prince

            ..You’re already a member “in good standing”! You start off at level IX, one step above where ot levels end, you see ALL Wogs have SuperPowers.. (just look at how otVII’s and sea org buttheads shit their pants ,run and hide at the mere sight of us ). In order to move up the ladder, you need only to “declare” yourself ! How fun is this! It doesn’t cost a cent to become Super-DOOPER-ultra-fucking-kick-ass..if L.SoS hubbard (lying sack-of-shit hubbard) can do it, so can we! We’re EVERYWHERE , We outnummber them a hundred thousand zillion to one! We are omnipotent, our Powers can’t be controlled by david miscarrige or any other stupidology asswipes. Bask in the Glory of your amazing, God-like abilities to make them tremble in fear. .but don’t forget..
            Keep having fun rubbing their noses in it, FUN is something they’re allergic to!

            Xenu’s mother wears army boots/ was a 2 dollar whore..

  • Juicer77

    Good morning, Bunker! f5

    • Dice ✓

      Scientist’s has proof of Alien’s inside cat’s spying on their owners F5

      • Juicer77

        Love this!

  • Supper Powers

    Inside the LRH museum. This photographer mentioned that she knows she was not allowed to take the snap but couldn’t help herself. This is beyond ridiculous.

    • I wish they would make up their mind – is Terl hairy all over, or is the book fair costume furry just because it’s easier to make that way?

      • Supper Powers

        *shakes head* I’m mostly concerned because the creature is breathing its own gaseous stink. Some technology.

        • I like the ‘streamlined’ PC (‘teaching machine’?) too. It looks so ‘retro’ – which is fitting for an author whose fiction was stuck in the 1940’s.

    • JJ

      What in the hell am I looking at? Note I am not surprised it is a no pictures allowed.

  • Supper Powers

    Paging Kim O.
    F5

    • OOkpik

      Tell me you found her keys. 🙂

  • Dice ✓

    Why am i commenting on a 2 days old blog-post Geeezzz!!

  • Stain

    What’s harder ? Being duped for millions or trying to recovery your sanity from the bull shit you agreed to

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • Whitney

    Reza Aslan is not trustworthy but he’s extremely conscious of his own image so Leah Remini’s show might have a damper on his. He wouldn’t want to end up looking like a fool