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Scientology rips apart families with its ‘disconnection’ policy — but why?

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[Scientology’s ‘disconnection’ policy takes center stage]

From Phil and Willie Jones to Brian Sheen to Lori Hodgson to the Headleys to so many others. We’re hearing from more and more people who have been affected by Scientology’s policy of “disconnection” that is ripping families apart. Our friend and frequent contributor Jeffrey Augustine has been looking into Scientology’s documents, as he does, and has been thinking about disconnection. Jeff, where should we start?

Jeffrey: Understanding disconnection, you first have to put it within the context of L. Ron Hubbard’s system of ethics. According to Hubbard, disconnection is part of the “PTS/SP” model.

The Bunker: “PTS” is Scientology shorthand for “potential trouble source.” And an “SP” is a “suppressive person.” How does that work?

Jeffrey: A Scientologist becomes PTS when they become associated with someone antagonistic to Scientology. Wrote Hubbard:

In order to resolve the PTS condition, he either HANDLES the other person’s antagonism (as covered in the materials on PTS handling) or, as a last resort when all attempts to handle have failed, he disconnects from the person. He is simply exercising his right to communicate or not to communicate with a particular person.

To “go PTS” means the Scientologist will become unconsciously self-destructive and therefore “pull in” sickness, injuries, accidents, financial loss, relationship problems, make bad decisions, and incur a host of other troubles. The key Scientology notion to understand is this: A Scientologist goes PTS when they are connected to an SP, a person who is antagonistic to Scientology.

The Bunker: So the SP turns Scientologists PTS by being connected to them?

Jeffrey: That’s right. Here’s how the Technical Dictionary puts it: “A person…who suppresses other people in his vicinity…[who] become PTS.” An SP “actively seeks to suppress or damage Scientology or a Scientologist by suppressive acts.”

The Bunker: And what happens when the Church of Scientology decides that someone is an SP?

Jeffrey: The church issues an “SP Declare.” And once someone has been declared SP, all other Scientologists must “disconnect” from that person. This includes family and friends — everyone has to cut the SP out of their lives.

The Bunker: Everything we’ve seen in the last few years suggests that Scientology leader David Miscavige is declaring people SP and ordering disconnection with more frequency than ever, and for seemingly trivial reasons. Why is Scientology so aggressive demanding that Scientologists disconnect from SPs?

Jeffrey The answer is really interesting. According to the church itself, it’s because L. Ron Hubbard considered SPs to be Scientology’s kryptonite. Here, look at what Scientology says about disconnection at its website:

 
Disconnection

 
There you have one of the Scientology’s big secrets: Hubbard and his church admit, rather incredibly, that, “all spiritual advancement gained from Scientology may well be lost because one is continually invalidated by an antagonistic person who wants nothing more than to do harm to the person.” According to Hubbard’s logic, then, SP’s are infinitely more powerful than Scientologists; The mere presence of an SP can destroy all of a Scientologist’s Bridge progress and spiritual advancement. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on Scientology can go down the drain if the Scientologist goes PTS because of a proximity to an SP. Hubbard characterized spiritual advancement in Scientology as a delicate hothouse flower, a frail object that cannot tolerate any suppression, antagonism, or opposition whatsoever.

The Bunker: They dare not hear any criticism. It apparently ruins everything.

Jeffrey: David Miscavige, the current leader of Scientology, said as much in 2001, quoted in this church publication:

 
MiscavigeQuote2

 
Hubbard said this about suppression in 1966: “Suppression is a harmful intention or action against which one cannot fight back.” (HCO PL 26 Dec 66) This is why suppression is so dangerous to Scientologists: They cannot fight back against suppression and will, in fact, lose all of their Bridge progress to it.

The Bunker: The poor things!

Jeffrey: Fortunately, every problem in Scientology has an exact solution that can be purchased. In the case of handling PTS/SP situations, David Miscavige introduced and heavily promoted the PTS/SP course in 2001. This course was designed to teach the Scientologist how to “confront and shatter” suppression:

 
PTSSP

 
The course reiterates Hubbard’s policy that Scientologists “handle or disconnect” from those who are suppressive towards Scientology. “Handle or disconnect” means that the Scientologist must get the person to stop being critical. Hubbard argued that most people who are antagonistic simply do not have the correct data about Scientology. So the solution is to give the antagonistic person the correct data. In the 1990s, Scientology created the cassette tape and booklet “Can We Ever Be Friends?” to handle family and friends who were antagonistic to Scientology.

 
CanWeEverBeFriends

 
If that “handling” doesn’t work, then the Scientologist disconnects.

The Bunker: Hubbard came up with disconnection and other “ethics” ideas — such as Fair Game — in the mid-1960s, when he was really unhappy about breakaway groups. And there’s been a controversy over whether he changed his mind about it, isn’t there?

Jeffrey: Hubbard issued orders that cancelled some of these ethics policies, including disconnection and Fair Game, in 1968. But it’s clear that he did that specifically as a reaction to investigations of Scientology in Commonwealth countries and especially in New Zealand. This was done as a part of Hubbard’s disingenuous “Reform Code of 1968.″ However, none of these policies were ever actually cancelled in practice and continue to this day.

The Bunker: In fact, as we saw in documents from the Garcia federal fraud lawsuit that were made public yesterday, Scientology’s current “International Justice Chief” Mike Ellis cited a 1983 policy on Suppressive Persons to tell the Garcias that no current church members in good standing can have anything to do with them. There it is, in black and white — Scientologists today must disconnect, and it’s based on a 1983 official church policy.

Jeffrey: Exactly! Those documents made public yesterday were pretty amazing. And they were official communications from Scientology’s top justice official.

The Bunker: Well, prepare yourself, Jeff, because as soon as you cite that 1983 policy, some former church members who still revere Hubbard will tell you that there’s a problem with it. Hubbard went into permanent hiding in February 1980, and Dan Koon and others who were around then tell us that Hubbard actually had nothing to do with that policy (even if the church today relies on it to force disconnection). Koon and others insist that Hubbard cancelled disconnection in 1968, and the evil David Miscavige brought it back, against Hubbard’s wishes.

However, we showed Dan that, in fact, a 1973 policy, written by Hubbard, endorses disconnection. And when we asked readers if they knew of any acts of disconnection that occurred between 1968, when it was supposedly cancelled, and 1980, when Hubbard went into hiding, we received dozens of responses. The “indies” might have rosy memories of the 1970s, but based on what we heard from our readers, disconnection was definitely part of the Scientology 1970s experience, and with Hubbard fully in control, even if it’s more prevalent today under Miscavige.

Jeffrey: There’s no doubt Hubbard endorsed disconnection. And his warning that the Scientologist can lose all spiritual advancement to an SP plays right into the “me, me, me” egocentricism of the Scientologist. In the thinking of the Scientologist, disconnection is a “pro-survival” act in which the Scientologist is declaring that his or her spiritual progress is infinitely more important than any family relationship or friendship. This was made abundantly clear in the disconnection letter that Cindy Plahuta received from a friend, which you published here in 2013:

Dear Cindy: After our conversation today I went to the MAA to get ethics handling because I had some attention on what we had discussed concerning the people that have left the Church. The MAA informed me that you have a connection to a known SP in Denver, that you are no longer in good standing with the Church, and you are pending a justice action. I found this out after I left a message on your phone that I had good news. You and I have been close friends for so long Cindy that this is very difficult for me. However, I don’t want to jeopardize my standing with the Church and eligibility for Solo NOTS, or my relationship with my children and friends, and definitely don’t agree with the people that have left our Church. Therefore, I have no choice but to follow LRH Policy, which is very specific concerning this, and can no longer communicate with you until you get this situation handled. I hope you will please contact OSA or the MAA here at Flag to get this resolved as soon as possible.

[MAA = Master at Arms; Solo NOTs = New Era Dianetics for Operating Thetans, high-level church processing that is done alone on the e-meter; LRH = L. Ron Hubbard; OSA = Office of Special Affairs, Scientology’s intelligence wing.]

The writer of this disconnection letter makes it clear that she will not be allowed onto SOLO NOTs if she stays friends with Cindy. Worse, the writer states that her relationship with her family or friends in the Church would be at risk if she stayed connected to Cindy.

Hubbard feared PTS Scientologists because they were capable of suppressive acts. In 1965 he wrote: “Until the environment is handled, nothing beneficial can happen. Quite the contrary. In the most flagrant of such cases, the Scientologist’s case worsened and the suppressive person or group sent endless distorted or false reports to press, police, authorities and the public in general.”

We now begin to zero in on Hubbard’s real fear and that of his Church: The PTS Scientologist is likely to tell an “SP” what is really going on inside the organization, which then can get out to the press and the public. Hubbard additionally makes it a “high crime” for any Scientologist to report the church to police or the courts.

The Bunker: Heaven forbid.

Jeffrey: Disconnection — it’s information control.

The Bunker: Of course it is. And that’s why the firehose of information that is the Internet has proved to be such a disastrous calamity for Scientology.

Jeffrey: And the more Scientologists are exposed to it, the more they’re voting with their feet and leaving.

The Bunker: Thank you for digging into these idea for us, Jeffrey. We really feel for the families that have been torn apart by this toxic policy — many of whom never speak up for fear of retaliation. For them, we’ll keep exposing these practices for what they are.

 
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  • Thanks for the insights. What I find do amazing is how hearing a few words of disagreement from someone or being with someone who doesn’t approve what you are doing can cause a loss of all the supposed OT powers someone had received. I believe that Hubbard developed these ideas to make SP’s scapegoats to try and hide the fact that “his” technology just doesn’t work to produce the results he promised, just as he did when saying anyone who did LSD couldn’t hold their gains. The world we live in is about everyone always trying to be right which means being assertive about your beliefs and defending against others. Damn if you can’t learn how to deal with this easily and without taking everything personally,whatever gains you think you made are illusion!

    I love Jeffrey’s statement “According to Hubbard’s logic, then, SP’s are infinitely more powerful than Scientologists” This shows the absurd representations of the Church and what one obtains by going there. BUT if they were really smart they would realize this is a HUGE income opportunity for them. The Church should begin a new training program “Obtaining Real Power To Prosper In This World; the Power of OT SP” Then all of us powerful “OT” SPs can personally deliver this training and unity can be restored! Isn’t this what Gandhi did? lol 🙂

  • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

    Of course the real source of suppression is Hubbard & Scientology itself,
    just as Jon Atack discovered.
    So everyone “going up the Bridge” is almost continually PTS. It is built in.
    I lived for a while in Clearwater, and if one looked at most OT 7’s & 8’s
    without preformed ideas, you soon realized they were quietly insane
    and living in a very small bubble universe, supported thinly by statuses.

    Hubbard was so paranoid. He was manic-depressive and an ego-maniac.
    He was also sadistic.

    I read about the first time he declared someone, and was excited to know
    the effect he’d created. It was Bob Muzak, a guy I knew; a good guy.

    I am probably preaching to the choir here.

    • Newiga

      Preach on!

    • Draco

      Do you have any idea what happened to Bob Muzak?

      • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

        He died some years ago, in the eighties.
        He was a heavy smoker.

  • ithilien

    how many people around the bunker left because they were asked to disconnect from someone ? anyone?

    • Dice

      i never recall anyone to be asked, they just did it!

      • ithilien

        Hi dice, i meant has anyone ever quit scientology because they didnt want to disconnect? I guess rimini family is a good example. I wondered if anyone around here chose their friend or chose policy? And quit. I only ever knew one person who quit a job because they didnt like how others were treated.

        • Dice

          Yes! on those terms, i know a few parent who left, as CoS was “hitting” on their kids or lets say adult kids (+18) that was the last straw!

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      withing the last uhmm couple of weeks I read of one person stating it was so, but I can’t say for sure if it was here on the bunker

  • nottrue

    Time for a Suppressive Pride Parade………Right down L Ron Hubbard Blvd

    • flyonthewall

      SP chic!

    • Kim O’Brien

      i think i might wear that on the flight to HowdyCon

    • PickAnotherID

      Does the back read, “If there were one OT in $cientology I wouldn’t be here”?? And does it come in yellow?

      • Dice

        should say Potential Trouble Source on the back!

      • Jake Hamby

        I’m surprised Scientology didn’t file for a trademark on the color yellow, like T-Mobile filed for a trademark for their particular shade of magenta. The Religious Technology Center owns the trademark to “Scientology Volunteer Minister”. I wonder if they put the registered trademark symbol on their T-shirts next to all the brand names, for ecclesiastical purposes.

    • Dice

      I want that!

  • Valkov

    It is obvious from reading over Hubbard’s Conditions Formulas, that if one follows the disconnection policy as it exists in the church today, one would chronically suppress himself below the condition of Power, because one of the first rules of the Power condition is “Don’t disconnect.” This does go back to Hubbard’s days, as illustrated by his own suppression of the auditing tech developed by John McMaster for auditing SPs and resolving PTS conditions. I think this illustrates Hubbard’s desperation, at the time, to stay in control.

  • flyonthewall

    Fixed it.

    They are not pleased. f5

  • Glibby

    One of my favorite anti-scientology videos is this one where the can-we-ever-be-friends video is played during a trial, at about 3 minutes in. The whole instructional video in it’s entirety is also available on youtube.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqMeMOUzdZs

  • nottrue
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Alex Gibney is going to need a bigger bunker.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Oh, we have room for him in our bunker! Let me slide over on the couch, and make some room. Can someone please refill the popcorn?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I have chocolate, but getting low on popcorn. I’m filling up the Bunker stock room to the roof before the end of this month.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Okay, maybe I should make a popcorn run. Should I also get some more caek?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Silly question!

          • Draco

            I have some yummy home made choccies, I’ll bring those.

    • aquaclara

      Oh, goody. Alex and company can ride right by the Philboard!
      “The TV Academy honors, which will be hosted once again by Dana Delany, will be held at the Montage Hotel in Beverly Hills on Wednesday, June 8.”
      Outstanding honors. Congratulations to the entire team, Lawrence Wright and everyone who helped make this happen.

  • Aquaman

    I was once forced to disconnect from potentially tainted shrimp. No one in that Red Lobster bathroom could suppress me.

    • Saint

      You obviously skimped on the cheez biskitts.

  • Jgg2012

    The purpose of disconnection is to keep Scientologists inside a bubble where they hear nothing but good things about Scientology. It also forces family and friends to become Scientologists also. The effect of the bubble is real: Scientologists sense that the world is full of Scientologists and it always works and no one would question it, so it indoctrinates people.

  • antibity

    Thanks, Jeffrey! I recently came across the practice of DeFOOing on the Showtime series Dark Net. and, to me, this sounds a lot like the promotion of disconnection.

    from the webpage http://www.defoo.org/defoo/ :
    To DeFOO simply means to disassociate from, and ostracize, your family of origin. FOO is an acronym used in the psychological community. It stands for Family Of Origin. It arose out of a need to easily distinguish between ones birth family and ones marital family. Your Family Of Origin could be your biological parents, adoptive parents, step parents, grandparents, etc. Anyone considered to be a primary caregiver, extended family, or sibling during your childhood is part of the FOO. The concept of DeFOOing is not new and has been practiced for decades. In the past decade it has gained traction in the voluntarism movement as a result of Stefan Molyneux and Freedomain Radio. Children all around the world are disassociating from their abusive parents.

    Jeffrey, Do you draw parallels between these two practices, DeFOOing and disconnection?

    • Stefan Molyneux, a windbag “philosopher”.

      ‘You’ll never see me again’ November 15, 2008, Kate Hilpern, The Guardian
      How a cyberphilosopher convinced followers to cut off family December 12, 2008, Tu Thanh Ha, Globe and Mail

      • Kim O’Brien

        i love you right now . Stephan Molyneux is a man with some serious issues . Sounds like someone with a name like that would be a hero Canadian hockey player ..when in fact …he is an Irish born , Canadian libertarian ( WHAT.THE. FUCK ) who thinks you should be able to pay a person $2 an hour . A libertarian in a socialist country . Jesus . They are worse than 40 year old Goths

        • Kim O’Brien

          par example ( that is French …means .”.for example” 😉

          • Spackle Motion

            oh gawd lawdy gawd. Please tell me that he’s wearing a Robert Smith Halloween costume?!?

            • Kim O’Brien

              no ..pretty sure that was just a day that ended in y hahahaha

    • Kim O’Brien

      call your mother . The one who’s vagina you came out of

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I do she is behind on the variable rate loan I leant her.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Respecting “Source” in Copenhagen…
    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BEOmil6Mb2_/

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Mark Ebner’s in Norway?

      • Newiga

        LOL!! 😀 Ebner’s dumpster diving ways are legendary! 😛

        PS. Copenhagen is in Denmark. 😉

      • gtsix

        Denmark dahling.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I don’t get out much anymore:) I posted that before I heard Copenhagen, but even so, it’s all Greek to me.

    • Dice

      at your disposal!

  • Much like an abusive spouse, part of the indoctrination for Scientology had to involve cutting people off from the outside world to prevent an escape. It also helps over-emphasize the presence of Scientology in people’s lives so that it literally takes over and the people who are in the bubble feel like without Scientology they would be lost and alone. Regardless of the qualifier that precedes it–be it “domestic” or “institutional”–abuse follows the same patterns, serves the same purpose and has the same effect on the victims.

    Scientology is abusive. It always has been and it always will be. L. Ron Hubbard was no more skilled at controlling people than an alcoholic father and husband, he just unfortunately had the ability to draw larger crowds.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Well said and summarized.

    • joan nieman

      You got it Derek. Control by abuse.

    • Ben Franklin

      Isolation is what makes the abuse possible because the victim is cut from the outside world and cannot help.

      • Isolation is part of the entirety of the abuse as well. Humans are social animals and denying our ability to interact with others is one of the highest forms of abuse.

  • sizzle8

    Disconnection has never gone away since its introduction in the 1960’s. The only difference has been on how heavily it was enforced. All editions of the Introduction to Scn Ethics book, including the present one, talk about it.
    Here’s a tidbit from a staff Ethics checklist from 1985.

    • Sunny

      Miscavige has been working on #17 for the last 20 plus years.

      • flyonthewall

        you’d think after 20yrs he’d realize it doesn’t work. Ok then

        • Ben Franklin

          In Scientology there is no thinking, you just do as LRH says

        • If it doesn’t work, then do more of it!

      • Draco

        Haha! True.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Step 17 Corrected. verify by testing all Clears in the area for illnesses, glasses, psychosomatic illnesses, full recall that there never were any 270 Clears produced by elcon, and that the stats are false. Handle the situation by declaring hubbard a fraud and locate and thank all the Potential Truth Seekers for listening to the Special Persons lines of truth. Read and apply, how to leave scientology in the dirt. dated Present time to eternity, titled Tech not worthy of recovery.

  • nottrue
  • Mark

    Of course, not having moved one femtometre up the Bridge in over three decades, Shortarse Miscavige isn’t at all afraid of SP’s or PTS’s, oh no… (Refresh yellow streak right up the middle of his back):

    • Dice

      DM is going up the stairs… not the bridge!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      J. Swift sitting like a Buddha with a laptop at Pac Base. What is this old SP doing? Has he really cracked the code and been able to follow the money in his “unpublished works” or is that just a rumor like OTIX and OTX?

      • Draco

        OTIX & X are just rumours?! Say it isn’t so!!!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Draco, don’t think! Look! Where are the OTIX and OTX course rooms on the ship? They aren’t there! There aren’t even any CGI’s. Just by obnosis we can spot these out points.

          • Draco

            Hmmmm… OTVIIIisGrrr8! – I think you are becoming a tad nattery. Do I have to write a Knowledge Report on you? After all, DM has promised OT9 & 10 will be released soon. Are you implying he is lying?
            I think you need to be taken of The Bunker detail … you have obviously gone PTS to the 11 SPs there.

            • Mark

              I seriously think he’s having PTS-type out-ethics doubts, Draco.

            • J. Swift

              IMO, OTVIIIisGrrr8! has gone PTS to the Bunker.

      • Mark

        Good grief… do I detect the faintest scintilla of—but surely not—cynicism in that statement, Mr. Grrr8? “Follow the money” and “rumour” among the most ethical people in the world? After all, according to your own COB, planetary salvage is far more important than mere money, and OT IX and X are definitely going to be released any day now now now, just you wait and see.

        And not so much of the “old”, either: I bet your portly colleague Mr. Wonderman hasn’t managed to sit cross-legged for years, even with the help of an inflatable rubber ring—much less penetrate the mysteries of a modern laptop.

  • Kim O’Brien

    OT but i was thinking about SugarPlum Fairy the other day …i am buying one of these to put next to my front door…just down in the corner on my porch. Little fairy doors …F5

    • flyonthewall

      be careful Kim, you could be unknowingly inviting dark forces into your house. A troll or jinn could easily fit through that door

      • Draco

        Oh don’t be silly. Trolls and jinns are huge. besides which, you sprinkle fairy dust around the door and nothing bad can get in.

        • flyonthewall

          Well I know for a fact that jinns can change shape. She should consult Mark on the best way to safeguard this door, he’s an expert.

          • Draco

            “A few traditions (hadith), divide jinn into three classes: those who have wings and fly in the air, those who resemble snakes and dogs, and those who travel about ceaselessly.”
            Hmmm … you are right, they could be a problem. Mark? We need to jinn-proof Kim’s house.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i’m gonna build a wall , and they are gonna pay for it 😉

    • Qbird

      sweet idea Kim.

  • mikecrosby

    I’ve never been in CoS, but I think they are an evil destructive cult and their leader David Miscavage is a narcissistic tyrant. Can I go to my local org and ask to be declared a suppressive person? I would proudly frame that above the loo.

    BTW, I love how Tony writes so that anyone can understand the intricacies of CoS’s policies.

    • Science Doc

      Everyone who has tried that in recent years walks away empty handed. Nowadays even celebrity apostates don’t get the actual written declare.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        I heard an ad on late night TV:

        “For only $47.47, we will print up and mail out an authentic-looking SP declare on REAL GOLDENROD FOOLSCAP!!!”

        Sounds like an opportunity for someone to make a buck!

    • Flying High

      You would probably have more of an effect to go in there with a smile and sincerely let the receptionist know if anyone is interested in being part of _________ where their voluntary endeavors results in seeing real changes being brought about in society then they can come aboard doing this ________. (whatever good cause you chose). Inside they truly know this no benefit to society does not come about so you may just penetrate even if it is just upon the receptionist. Or if you are just looking for a good laugh and seeing the reaction on their faces then go with what you originally wrote 🙂

  • Sunny Sands

    The Garcia case made the front page of the Tampa Bay Times today. (F5)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Digital yesterday, front page in paper edition today – just like on the billboard story. Love to hear front page editions in the Tampa Bay area! Thanks Sunny.

    • InClearwater

      Always nice to see a Thomas C. Tobin story.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    O/T Poison Ivy asked me to pass on message to all the Bunkeroos that she’s had to resist diving down in the comments and…
    “Please say HI to everyone for me and explain that I have to ‘make the donuts’.”

    http://i.imgur.com/mxKvAN7.jpg?2

    *Eivol posted doughnut pictures below. Coincidence? I think not*

    • Sherbet

      Thanks for passing on the message. She is missed.

  • Flying High

    As far as the 1983 policy “Dan Koon and others who were around then tell us that Hubbard actually had nothing to do with that policy” here is what they are basing that off of and quoted here: – http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scientology/hubbard_policy-letter_disconnectionb.html

    • Ben Franklin

      Didn’t Hubbard disconnect from his own son “Nibs”?

      • Draco

        Thereby setting a fine example for his sheeple to follow. By the end of his life, he had disconnected from his entire family. I don’t think I have read anywhere that any of his children knew his whereabouts in his last years.

        • Ben Franklin

          I don’t think even Mary Sue knew exactly where he was when he died, otherwise one would expect that she would have been at his side

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            Uhmm, that might have been a bit difficult to do. Wasn’t she serving her prison time during his death?

            • Ben Franklin

              Mary Sue was sentenced to five years in prison, but, served only one year, from 1983 to 1984. Hubbard died in January 1986.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              Thanks, I wonder if there is a story on how she wangled that and if it is common for a person committing treason gets such a light sentence. I think I would like to read the details of the case and the opinions of the judge(s?) Anyone know how I can find such information?

            • Ben Franklin

              The U.S. court District Judge (Charles Richey) had sentenced Mary Sue Hubbard to a maximum of five years in prison plus a $10,000 fine for her crimes, but, the judge also held out the possibility that the sentence would be reduced at a later date. Following sentence, the Judge had ordered prison officials to interview Mary Sue and report to him in three months on whether the full sentence should be served. Mary Sue must have been very well behaved in prison, thus the judge decided to reduce her jail sentence to one year.

            • gtsix

              No, she was out of prison in 1984 (only served one year).

            • gtsix

              No, she was out of prison in 1984 (only served one year).

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              Thank you for setting me straight on that

            • gtsix

              Sharing and communicating, it’s what we do in the bunker.

          • Draco

            MSH was the most toxic of all to hubbard. He had thrown her under the bus and disconnected years earlier. I am sure he was paranoid about the FBI following her to the bitter end, so would never have allowed her to come anywhere near him.
            And anyway, it’s tough for a man to face his wife after he made her do prison time for him.

            • Ben Franklin

              I read somewhere that Hubbard was so afraid that MSH would rat him out

            • Draco

              He was. Here’s a grown man, cowering behind his young messengers and scampering off like the coward he was at the slightest hint of the law coming after him.

    • Dice

      Not going to read all this, but i remember some of the confusion in that year and this text is just that. – confusion. All these revisions on revisions on revision is basically just a loop!
      ETA: Ohh there was a picture to go with that 🙂

    • The idea that L Ron Hubbard cancelled Disconnection is a myth is made abundantly apparent by his HCOPL 15 September 1973 – Handling Disconnection.

  • Sir Derf

    At core, it’s about lifting money from the customers, trying to stop the truth about Scientology’s crimes and human rights abuses from reaching the ears and eyes of existing customers. “Disconnection” is extortion, blackmail, every bit of it specifically designed to keep the customers handing over their money. It’s financial. It has nothing to do about “spiritual advancement” or any of that other BS. It’s how the crime syndicate blackmails and extorts its brainwashed rubes, marks, and suckers in to keep handing over whatever money they can get to the criminal enterprise without the criminal indictments, civil lawsuits, and massive exposures of human rights crimes and abuses that Scientology commits from reaching the customers.

    The fact that the criminal enterprise has something around 20,000 surviving customers world wide does not seem to matter to the crooks. If anything, the death of their criminal enterprise appears to be driving the remaining assholes to be even more racketeering and their surviving customers appear to be even more insane.

  • SucculentDuck

    Great stuff! These types of “conversational interviews” are some of my favorite posts to read here. I really enjoy the banter above, and also in the comments down here, and have learned so much about who/what/where/when/why in such a comparatively short time by being a sponge and trying to absorb & retain as much of this info as possible.

    In an effort to be fair and nonjudgmental about one’s beliefs (whatever they may be), and stopping just short of “joining”, I’ve tried to learn and understand it from the Church’s side, as well. I read the press releases, watch the “meet us” interviews, talk to Scientologists (who i assume would be declared on the spot if it were known who I am here) and …

    I’ve made my choices. I’m saddened by the fact that, no matter what they tell you, Scientologists are forbidden to make their own. I’m infuriated by the abuse being inflicted in the name, and under the supposed protection, of this religion. It’s all a “game” or a “show” or some Utopian fantasy about saving the world or having the proper eternal status that keeps them lockstep and in-line with the ramblings of a Madman (or two).

    We know what’s up. I didn’t write this for “us”, I wrote this for them, for you… and you know who you are. We’re out here waiting for you to join our party. There’s one penciled-in already, we just need a few thousand more friends to rsvp. Come on in, the water’s warm, and the drinks are flowing. Leave your credit cards at home because we don’t want your money. We want you to be happy.

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    Information control indeed. But why the impulse to control information? Well I would suggest it is to protect and forward a vested interest.
    Obviously there can be and are varied opinions about the nature of the property. At this point in time I see it as a combination of an intended confidence trick_trap and a frail attempt at creating a philosophy (perhaps as a borrowed Rosicrucian requirement).
    Either way, the bottom line was to stop the exposure of fraud. The methods used, included outright attack upon any perceived or real threat, as well as, a whole subset distraction, composed of the SP-PTS theory.The latter of course essentially putting the blame or shifting the cause to the participants themselves. Never was a master conman the sole source hubbard incorrect nor was he a fraud. (ETA or so it was implied ) Any problem with dianetics and additional scientology belonged to the dissociated world, not to hubbard who was above the bank … ha ha ha evil chuckle heard so often on recorded lectures.
    The ‘Control the illusion by creating a delusion’ lectures.

    • April

      LRH said, “always attack, never defend…”
      It’s because there was/is no defense for his massive con game.

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    Here’s one for Once_Born, if he is in the Bunker today:
    https://twitter.com/amadmavworld/status/721012928351117312

    • Dice

      sounds like he is jumping para-shoots!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Now that’s cutting to the chase: “Hubbard was a Satanist working under rocket scientist Jack Parsons.”

      • I wonder about the value of this kind of confrontation, though. It isn’t going to change this man’s mind – he might even dig his heels in and sink deeper into his delusion. He’s been in for too long, and has invested too much to leave easily. A single conversation in the street isn’t going to make a difference to him or to the members of the tiny org.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          You never know. I never heard anything about Hubbard’s affiliation with Crowley until I was inactive and UTR anyway, but when I learned of it via either Madman or Messiah or Piece of Blue Sky, I was so creeped out that I immediately got rid of every book and coursepack I had.

          • You may be right – but in this case, on the balance of probabilities, this kind of confrontation is probably counter-productive.

            It didn’t help that the guy who approaches him relies upon the Xenu story, which the Scientologist has probably never heard of, not being able to afford OT3.

            This person has dedicated his life and all of his spare time to the org.
            He is committed, and backing him into a corner like that is only going
            to make him push back – and prove how hostile the outside world is.

            The information about Crowley is out there, but you have to be receptive to it – as you say, you didn’t hear about it about it until you were disaffected, and read ‘forbidden’ books.

            The only way people like this will acquire an alternative perspective which might draw them out of Scientology is if they are socially engaged with the wider world – and the demands of Scientology (not least the amount of time it consumes) prevents this.

            Finally, I have to say I find this kind of confrontation self-satisfied… the person who did it was proving how superior he was by showing that a random Scientologist had no answer to his arguments. He wasn’t doing it to help the guy, or to educate the public.

            The maker of this video was harassing a random, lone victim of Scientology to show how clever he was. I don’t see the point.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Yeah, I can see that.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Windsocks! Windsocks! That half frozen, blurry eyed old man shivering in wind – now that’s just one of the freakin sad ones. Grrrrr

    • I’ve seen this chap handing out leaflets, sometimes sheltering from the rain underneath the overhang of shops in the pedestrianised city centre, on a regular basis – but never in the org (pop: <15) in a suit, like the rest. He doesn't seem to be considered presentable enough for that.

      I find it sad that he works so hard, but isn't taken seriously, probably because he doesn't have the income to get very far across 'the bridge'. He's just deployed for the jobs nobody else wants to do.

      Money must be tight at the moment, because he often picks up dicarded leaflets and hands them out again. That's not as bad as it sounds, because almost all of them go in nearby waste bins or on the floor. I've watched, and the only reason people take them is to be polite. Once they're out of sight, they glance at them, then dump them. I've never seen anyone even look like like they’re going to keep one.

      If this makes Plymouth sound like the runt of the Scientology litter… that’s probably because it is.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Last post for 10 or 11 days.
    Before I go –
    A poem for ya, DM, you disconnecting bastard:

    With these Hands

    With these hands I have gripped my father’s finger, blindly cradled my mother’s breast.
    With these hands I have crawled across the kitchen floor, I have held a chair to keep from falling.
    With these hands I have guided my tricycle, I have pulled my sister’s hair.
    With these hands I have turned the pages of my first books, I have held a pencil to draw a train.

    With these hands I have thrown and caught, I have made fists and shrugs, I have clung tightly in tears.
    With these hands I have learned to lace shoes, button shirts and comb hair, I have learned to copy careful hieroglyphs in the petrified forest of an exercise book.

    With these hands, I have picked blackberries and blueberries, lingonberries and cloudberries, strawberries, saskatoons and rasberries, buttered bread, climbed hills, folded clothes, held bruises, covered laughs, wiped tears, caught fish, gathered mussels, mushrooms, kelp and dulse, salted soup, washed dishes.
    With these hands, I have swum cold waves, I have lit and cupped furtive cigarettes, smashed shuttlecocks and tennis balls, caressed girls and swung from branches.

    With these hands I have drawn plans, hitched rides, kneaded and baked, painted, nailed, hammered, sanded, chiseled, sculpted, paddled, played, grasped, braced, gripped, caressed, drummed, gestured.
    With these hands I have locked tight in love’s embrace, held children close, comforted and consoled, waved goodbye, clasped in furious hellos, shook and shivered and wiped away my tears.
    With these hands I have written love letters and letters of condolence, written poems and written stories, massaged aches and brought delight, danced, broken falls, rolled and risen.

    With these hands I have held a hummingbird and I have held a hawk.
    With these hands I have carried my father’s coffin on the cold gray road to his far grave.
    With these hands I have built and taken down.
    With these hands I have made mudras, held swords, taken knives, thrown men, tapped out my pain.

    With these hands I have given and received, signaled and deceived.
    With these hands I have been clumsy and I have been graceful.
    With these hands I have been churlish and I have been grateful.

    With these hands I reach out to the world and the world still takes me by it’s hand.

    And, now, with these hands, I type a curse on $cientology and all it’s sad mad doings in the world.
    With these hands, I don my mask to walk in front of your missions and your orgs.
    With these hands, I pen signs of protest, poems of protest, jokes and tears of protest.
    I protest your cruelty and your viciousness, your insanity and your vanity.

    With these hands, I protest
    With these hands, I protest disconnection.
    With these hands, I protest your lies about Hubbard’s biography.
    With these hands, I protest your lies about “religion.”
    With these hands, I protest.

    With these hands.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Travel safe Pan.

    • Newiga

      Take care and save trails, Pan!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      With those hands you have written the fantastic with depth of soul and nailed the LOL’s. Happy trails to all.
      Are you back yet?

    • Kestrel

      Safe travels, and when you get back, I’d like to know more about your mushroom gathering.

    • beauty for ashes

      transcendant.<3 <3 <3

    • Not enough likes for the likes of this. Beautiful.

      Have a great trip.

    • daisy

      moving

    • Draco

      Going to miss you, Pan. Safe and happy travels. XXX

  • cindyplahuta

    The person that wrote that disconnection letter to me (in Tony’s Article today) had been a very close friend of mine and my family since 1989. We had been there for each other for business, family, illnesses and friend situations for 20 years. I just wonder what he tells his non Scientology family when they ask about me and my family. How does one explain the cruelty of disconnection?

    It was such a sad day when I received that email. I hope my dear friend, Howard Gross wakes up.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So sorry. It is so hard to remember this is the fanatic talking, not the people we once knew. Doesn’t hurt any less, don’t miss them any less. I hope the Awakening is around the corner. I think it actually is now. I’ll bet Howard misses you even more. Hang in and keep them in your thoughts.

    • sizzle8

      Wasn’t he a Flag Rep at one time?

      • cindyplahuta

        Yes, in San Francisco for awhile. Howard has been public for a long time.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    One short explanation of why disconnection is part of the cult, is that without disconnection, scientology would cease to exist!

    If they allowed members to stay in touch with people who disagreed with scientology, in short order the members would come to their senses and walk out. Hubbard could not allow that and neither can Miscavige.

  • jazzlover

    O/T (but is it really?): 7.4 earthquake in Japan, tsunami warning issued. What’s that I hear? Volunteer ministers mobilizing as I speak?

    • Ben Franklin

      It would be great if any of the abundant OTs would just use their powers to stop the earthquakes in the first place

      • jazzlover

        Their reactive minds have made it clear that it’s best to join hands on Hollywood Blvd to help prevent California from falling into the ocean.

        • Ben Franklin

          SPs have a better chance of preventing California falling into the ocean than OTs

          • April

            Maybe if we all stand along the eastern border of California our collective weight will act as a counterbalance and keep the state from tipping into the ocean.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Not going to happen. Tokyo org is downstat despite its Idealness.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    For those still trying to figure it all out, or doing a Doubt condition for the ten thousandth time, or generally lurking, I have found the simplest, easiest way to get at the heart of any Scientology drama, policy, subject in short order. It’s helped me, and maybe will help you. These are worth a bookmark or two.

    Disconnection, for example. I mentioned the intention no matter who was behind what when was to keep the leader out of prison and keep that ever lovin’ Moar free money flowing fast. I just skim down my handy lists of 1) Scientology’s criminal/legal history 2) Scientology’s timeline re: money, profits and especially tax exemptions and 3) any timeline or index you have of what major policy was being initiated or pushed in a given year.

    I have yet to find that there is not a correlation of 3) without either 1) or 2) being a major factor and sometimes both. I found it quite fascinating and usually some real DOH! whacking my forehead moments. You might want to invest in a comfy Bunker helmet first.

    Criminal timeline of Scientology
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?23840-Criminal-timeline-of-Scientology

    Timeline of Scientology versus the IRS
    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/timeline.html

    Scientology’s Crimes
    http://www.scientology-lies.com/crimesindex.html

    Timeline of Scientology
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Scientology

    • Dice

      It has taken me 2 years by now, just to get some kind of overall picture. And all these name i keep mixing up 🙂 So time-lines like those are perfect in the process! Thanks!

  • Ben Franklin

    Disconnection is just another proof that PTS/SP Course and Communication courses in Scientology are just a waste of time and money.

    • ze moo

      Unlike all the other $cieno ‘courses’ and ‘training’.

  • outraged

    DAvid Miscavige continues the hideous soulless practice of disconnection because he WANTS to see families torn apart. If you do not play on his side of the playground, you are off the world altogether.

    This is not how a religion works. This is not how people work. This is the work of a psychopath.

    If you are getting tired of loosing sight of your hopes and goals, if are exhausted and worn down, if you want to be enveloped in the arms of people who truly want what is best for you, then leave. Walk out the door. You owe no money. You do not have to negate anything you learned. Everyone is waiting with open arms. We have all gone out that door and lived.

    https://youtu.be/iuTJ98_znVM

  • Dice

    In case you didn’t know “Disconnection Stories” is open for entries and with a <24 hour work-flow http://stopscientologydisconnection.com/?page_id=556

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh the stories are going up now – good !

      • Observer

        Butthurt, smeary, vaguely threatening screed from Deixler in 3…2…1…

        F5

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          The beak is a nice touch. Bert, Bert, Bert. Did you see one of DM’s other pet vultures having to tour in Africa, shilling for one of the front group scams? Get out your tin cups and sidewalk board signs. He’ll be coming for you next! bwahahahahaha

  • Hamtaro

    Disconnection is an old and outdated policy. Strictly historical. Here are the correct steps for handling an SP based on current conditions in the Church of Scientology:

    1. Use two way comm to establish that someone is an actual SP.
    2. Invite them into your premises.
    3. Feed them a delicious home-cooked dinner.
    4. Spend the rest of the night telling funny stories and drinking together.
    5. Exchange contact info so you can keep in touch.
    6. Give them a big hug when they leave.

    I can personally attest this method has worked on a wide variety of SPs, both famous and infamous.

    • Roger Hornaday

      Don’t forget #7, my favorite: Join them in an anti-scientology picket at an org.

    • flyonthewall

      I thought for sure #4 was going to be throw them in the oven and cook them.

  • Dice
    • flyonthewall

      Tony has a fb post with a bit more detail

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Can someone with FB please post it here (I would if I had FB) because I’d like to know more too.

        • Dice

          Me too can’t find it on his FB

        • Mark Allen Shreck

          Friends, family, and former colleagues: A “Lucas Rivera” is telling people that he once wrote for the Village Voice (and he may have, many years ago), and that he’s working on a story about the “great” work I did there. He’s actually the latest out-of-work journalist that Scientology has hired to do a hatchet job on me. (The first one dropped dead, the second one couldn’t stomach the smear job they asked him to do and quit.) I just wanted you to be aware of who he’s actually working for if he contacts you. Now, if I can just figure out who they’re going to put on the cover as my own “posse of lunatics…”

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            SMH

            Same old tired, slimy tricks. Wake the fuck up IRS.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            P.S. Thank you Mark

            • yes, thank you Mark as I’m FB-less too!

          • well hell, bunkerites are the posse of lunatics! 😀 now now, bringing some levity….but overall it’s just DAFUQ?!?!?!? Tax exempt and they do this…..IRS needs to be shut down, cuz they’re asleep at the wheel….

            • flyonthewall

              sure they’re asleep and not drunk?

            • yeah, that’s it, thanks for that!! GO HOME IRS!!! YOU’RE DRUNK!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          We should have a betting pool of the top ten to make it in his own Posse caricatures.

          • You think they’d include Paulette? Probably Karen, Jeff…Jon Atak….contributors here (obviously)…..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              How much should I put you down for, Miss Tia?

            • um, let me see here….a couple pennies, dust bunnies, and i’m sure Skittles could contribute something 😀

            • beauty for ashes

              lol people make craft projects from the hair their cats shed!

            • Skittles is known for her projectile vomit….

            • Juicer77

              It’s a real talent, that is.

            • almost every other day, and once she starts, there’ll be 2 or 3 more in a row….her chirruns do it too….some digestive quirk that doesn’t affect them negatively…..though her kids don’t have PROJECTILE vomit that she has….skittles has that down to an art!

          • gtsix

            4 cats being catty
            a shar pei ironing
            an adorable mini-fig of some “Proprietor” dude
            Miss Lovely and her deep undercover OSA operative “husband”

          • Observer

            Leah Remini

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh yeah!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      WTF? was my sentiment exactly.

      • Dice

        but you went with FYI 🙂

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I like to remind tax-paying people that Scientology is a shady bitch. 🙂

          • sashiebgood

            especially on April 15th!

    • salin

      IOW: Co$ prepping a major deflection (rather than only a distraction) for the media hurricane which will hit with the prepublication media coverage of “Ruthless” and the post publication of the book – a book about the Co$ ‘Ecclesiastic Leader’ by his father “Let Him Die, Ron Miscavige, Sr.”.

    • Qbird

      yup ~ same-O Scn., Inc.

      • Nat-leficent

        Boo! I hate brown on brown crime!

        • Qbird

          crap on crap… yep.
          Who’s in Tony’s posse?
          Wright, Gibney, Theroux, Leah, Marrick & Arnold…. Phil & Willy…
          the whole of an underground bunker…

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Send him my way. I’ll break his binder.

  • Dave Reams

    “According to Hubbard’s logic, then, SP’s are infinitely more powerful than Scientologists” … Fascinating! An OT can change the weather, start a car without keys, fix broken railroad electronics, and find parking spaces but faced with criticism they wither and die? Pathetic!

  • Sejanus

    SP
    AKA Speaking Plain.

  • beauty for ashes

    Its ironic that if you have a loved one that is a malignant narcissist like Hubbard, psychology general steers you from disconnecting from them to protect yourself from a pattern of emotional abuse.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC have worked for several years now to confront and shatter suppression here at the Underground Bunker. As proven by actual statistics, the Bunker has only eleven posters who use a variety of sockpuppets to create the appearance that a wide variety of people post here. RTC is winning, and, we are not PTS like the entire Church of Scientology International.

    Allegations that “under the radar” Scientologists lurk here are false and part of an enemy line. Factually, any Scientologist who posted at the Underground Bunker would immediately go PTS, go insane, and lose all of their Bridge progress. In other words, they would revert to being a wog.

    On the other hands, Scientology continues to flourish, prosper, and is experiencing heretofore unimaginable rates of planetary expansion. And now please, a vital message from Scientology Media Productions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHRq80QNnJM

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Can’t be DM- this makes too much sense, it’s not unbelievable enough, you can understand what’s being said, and there’s too much of that out ethics hugging going on.

    • Draco

      And who might my sock puppets be? Or am I one?

    • ze moo

      There are no ‘best lines’ from Plan 9. Even Battlefield Earth is better viewing. Hell, Bella Lugosi died of shame in the middle of filming that monstrosity.

  • ze moo

    How many disconnections or threats of disconnection are driven by the profit motive inherent in ‘sec checks’? If a mOrg needs to keep the lights on, and no one is coming in the door, how hard is it to find someone in central files who doesn’t want to lose their job or family and put the screws to them?

    It is all about the money, except when it’s about fealty to Miscavage.

    • Illinoisian

      Hadn’t thought about it that way. But, now that you mention it . . . And how about if KRs come in? Going through them must be like mining for gold.

    • CLEARly pissed off

      I answered this down below, so thought I would repost it here.

      Such a good point. We had to pay a LOT of money on sec checks when we were trying to keep our family. Plus, they were pushing us like a real statistic. Of course, other than having to spend money to those crooks to be able to keep my child, which was devastating to us financially, we finally both were pushed to be a statistic – both of our sec checks were finished between 1 and 2pm on a Thursday. The first time I ever enjoyed Thursday at 2pm. They were going for their “paid Completions” stat. Maybe this little disconnection scam is the only way they can have any completions or income.

      For OSA people watching – you may wish to know that I got really good at not getting off withholds as well as faking an FN. To cause an F/N, all that I had to do was dream of the nice, couple of shots of Scotch I was going to have when I got out of your bullshit sessions. Your auditors and MAA need some Qual handling, I would say.

      • Draco

        “To cause an F/N, all that I had to do was dream of the nice, couple of shots of Scotch I was going to have when I got out of your bullshit sessions.”
        Have you had any alcohol in the last 24 hours? (thinks: YEAH!!) Thank you. Your needle is floating…

      • Dice

        Some was saying – It doesn’t pay to scam someone for $100 as it would cost $1000 in sec-check afterwards. Now! who is scamming who, in this story?

      • daytoncapri

        Important post.

    • Draco

      I had not thought about that angle, and you might have a point. DM knows scn is dying, so is trying every angle to get money in, as well as using his power to make these people as miserable as possible. He is a malignant little f*ck. There is never any intention to handle, just to get the money and then declare them anyway.

  • Juicer77

    Just saw 26484th performance of a play. Having a pint w Mr. J. Life is good!

    • Draco

      The Mousetrap?

      • Juicer77

        Yep! It’s an institution 🙂

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Globe theater, London?

      • Juicer77

        Nope. Mousetrap. Got the number wrong – it was 26434. Still impressive!

    • Qbird

      Do tell ~ Aye 🙂

      https://youtu.be/SCfcn1Rtqz0

      • Dice

        That is ridiculous funny!

      • ze moo

        This is why cats eat us when we die at home.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I actually have to cats that “ate*” their owner after she died.

          *The person at the shelter said they didn’t eat here but rather bite on the lady’s hands, nose and ears probably to try wake her because they were really hungry after a few days. But the local news did say they ate her.

          • Juicer77

            Poor kitties. And poor lady! 🙁

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Did you name it Hannibal?

          • sashiebgood

            my husband is a paramedic in New Jersey and says that most times the animal control people destroy the animals who’ve eaten parts of their dead owners. I think that’s just awful, it’s not the cat or dog’s fault,and it’s not that the shelter is obligated to tell potential adopters about those circumstances. good on you for adopting cats with that unfortunate history… hate to tell you, they weren’t trying to wake her up.

        • Draco

          Anybody who dresses up their cat like that, deserves to be eaten by their cats.

      • Juicer77

        XD

    • Eileen

      The Mouse Trap?
      Cats?

  • Dice

    This vid from 2011 gives a perfect picture of how and what it means to keep using this Disconnection Tool against people. In plain English!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqOMWQ41BU

    • daisy

      How beautiful is and was Hannah. So dignified.

      • Dice

        Hard to understand how this nice woman could endure and take all this abuse. But she did! amazing!

  • nottrue

    Recent…..Big Blue..Not expanding ..Desperate…I think they are done in Hollywood…I think they will have better luck in Venezuela

    • Todd Tomorrow

      They just bought more apt. Buildings in LA across from I think big blue.

      • Juicer77

        It can’t be to house the growing staff… my guess is to stop anyone spying on them from across the street. Plus it will hold cash value.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        got addresses?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Noi, I saw one of the last AGP videos when he interviews the last neighbor’s. One has a Catholic shrine in their yard. Does that help? They bought the two apt. buildings next to them.

    • daytoncapri

      Hmm. What’s the difference between a church and a cult? Any takers?

    • Jake Hamby

      That review was useful, funny, and cool.

  • fresh hot phone call with Edward….he had a vacation day today….i have had a fucky day, was about to forage in the kitchen and i got the grinch ring tone of doom….background—i had told him the other day what a friend of mine, who he knows, suggested he do with his 401K…i had told him i’d write that down for him and give it to him later and he had said there was no hurry for that….HAH!

    [grinch ring tone]
    yeah?
    i called my bank today and talked to a guy about putting my 401K into a IRS there and he told me…
    wait, did you tell him IRS?
    yeah, that’s what it is
    it’s a IRA
    same difference
    alrightie then
    as i was saying before i was rudely interrupted he told me i could put most of it in a IRA and then the rest into another type of account to be able to make withdrawals
    but you’re not doing any of that now, right?
    right, but i had time on my hands today so i called them but my question for you is, what kind of account is that one i could make withdrawals from?
    dude
    you told me how [my friend] said to put in a IRA and tell them i might need to make withdrawals
    right
    so he told me about that kind of account i could do that from
    um, she was talking about just the IRA, not 2 separate accounts cuz you might have to pay a penalty and/or it could affect your taxes, hence why i asked her advice since i do your taxes
    well what was he talking about then?
    you talked to him, how would i know?!
    you should be here next time i call
    oh a fuck-a-doodle-do NO, i’ll write out what [my friend] said OR you could facebook message her as your friends on facebook [she can have her own edward experience]
    i don’t need to know this now
    YOU CALLED THEM TODAY
    i had free time
    my phone is gonna be off tomorrow
    i need to call and wish you happy birthday
    you just did, thank you
    that doesn’t count
    yes it does
    no and if you don’t answer your phone i know you’ll be in the street
    yeah, that’s fine come over when i’m on the street cuz i know you won’t stay long and it won’t be a phone call with edward
    this wasn’t a phone call with edward
    yes it was, you wanted me to know what kind of account the bank guy told you about
    you should know that
    i’m gonna go eat, my phone is off
    it won’t be
    HAH!

    he is going to be laid off and have lots of free time on his hands…..oh dear fuck……

    • ze moo

      Caller ID is your friend. And lifesaver….

      • i have the grinch ringtone for him, as he has collected grinches…..i now associate it with doom….BUT if i don’t answer his call he’ll leave confusing VMs and i end up calling him back….

    • Draco

      I love your Edward posts. Is he aware that he keeps us all highly entertained here?

      Oh, and here in South Africa it’s already tomorrow so Happy birthday! XXX

      • no, he is not aware he’s entertainment and he’s actually caused me a rare headache this evening…grrrrrr…..

        thank you!! 🙂

    • jazzlover

      I know nothing about his 401(k) plan, but many of them offer benefit payments as monthly annuities. If he is of retirement age (as defined under the plan) and older than 59 1/2, this would give him a steady income above and beyond unemployment benefits without (1) the dreaded early withdrawal penalty (no jokes please!!!) and (2) the huge income taxes that usually come with lump sum payouts. Of course, it would all depend on whether he plans to continue to work because this would only serve to put him into a higher tax bracket. Perhaps his severance package gives him access to a tax accountant to discuss this with?

      • he can transfer the 401K away from eaton to an IRA, which is what he wants—when he no longer works there….then he wants to be able to access the funds IF he needs too…..other wise, his severance and unemployment will tied him over for a year til he’s 62 and he start getting SS….

        he would not talk to a tax accountant, he calls me….i hope he messages my friend—who has 30+ years of tax experience….

        • jazzlover

          Yes, that works too. Just tell him to be careful with regard to the bank’s rules when he sets up the IRA. And (this is important) he needs to specify that it is an IRA rollover account so that he isn’t taxed and so that it gets designated properly. If he accidentally takes it as a lump sum payout, and doesn’t roll it over within 60 days — BANG! I’ve seen it happen. The best thing to do would be to have his 401(k) plan make a check out payable directly to the bank’s IRA AFTER he sets it up with the bank. This can get tricky, especially when you’re receiving several different types of income at once. If you’re not careful, you can end up in a higher bracket than you wanna end up in. All benefits, including SS, are taxable. I’m not an accountant, but I am a pension actuary in case you were wondering.

          • oh no, my friend KNOWS him and spelled out for him to set up the account FIRST at his bank, then have THEM transfer the funds so he’s not taxed/no risk/etc….which is what you just said—i was typing as i was reading 🙂

            next year 2017, he’ll get unemployment and still have some of his severance….he’ll be below his regular income…..2018 when he can start getting SS, since he’ll start at 62 he’ll get a lesser amount….he might still be getting unemployment then too….BUT he’d still be less than his regular income….if he has to take out anything from the IRA during that time, i know that’s income and my friend has already spelled out how i’d do his taxes and has said i could have her help me then…..

            • jazzlover

              Ok, good. I was trying to point out the potential pitfalls. Believe it or not, even in this day and age, relatively few know what they’re doing when it comes to retirements benefits. Many people end up screwing themselves royally. Just remind Edward to keep track of his income when the time comes, and to call you (or your friend) before he withdraws from the IRA. LOL. Every bank is required to withhold federal income tax from withdrawals. They are not required to do so with state income tax, so pre-planning could be important to avoid an end-of-year tax bill.

            • thank you for that!! much appreciated!!! you see what i’m dealing with! 😀

            • jazzlover

              Yes I do 🙂 And you’re welcome!

        • daytoncapri

          I am living through that stuff right now. I don’t want to figure it out, just tell me what to do. What could go wrong?

          • would you like to discuss this with eddie? 😀

            • daytoncapri

              That depends. Would you trust your life with Eddie? 🙂

            • well i know he trusts his life with me, i know i should do the same; but to be honest, it would depend on the situation….and really? if we were together, he’d ask ME what we should do….

            • daytoncapri

              🙂

    • salin

      Wait – side note – buried in all of that discussion – did I read that Tomorrow is your Birthday?!

      • yep, i’m gonna be 90 47….i plan on doing my housework, then sitting my ass out in the street in my chair reading a book from about noon to 5 😀 BLISS!!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Well, you got the 47 times expansion thing going for ya. I’ll be 42 soon and plan on staying there for a while since it’s such a good number. Have a wonderful day tomorrow, Tia.

          • oh damn, i just realized that…..47….haha!!!! DOH!! been ONE OF THOSE DAYS!!!!! then i think edward’s call fried the rest of my brain! i like to tell people i still think i’m 23, i feel 90 at times, but mentally i’m 13 quite often 🙂 I HOPE to have a wonderful day! Thanks L Wrong!! ♥

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              That’s about a perfect description of me too. Some days those knees and the back are ancient. Inside, I still feel like a kid.

            • yep and now that my ribs are trying to break free and go live on their own somewhere else….haha 😉 i shall NEVER grow old mentally!! NEVER!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              We need to get on that medical grade kevlar/steel belted implanted girdle. After my last round of hernia procedures, I asked if the next time could just line my abdomen with some and call it good.

            • Isn’t that heavy? I’m 100# and gotta be careful of my bones, that might cause me more problems—I hear carnival music in the background faintly, haha! 😀 Uh yeah, if you’ve had more than one hernia operation i’d be asking for something heavy duty to FIX and be done!!

          • Frodis73

            I tried that dammit…it didn’t work.

        • salin

          Sounds like a great way – the latter half of he day at least – to celebrate!

          This means I am just ten days shy of being six years older than you. Though, I can tell, age does not = wisdom. You are a wise soul.

          Early Happy Birthday, my friend! Find your bliss and indulge!

          • well, doing some chores is just normal life, and it’s fine to do that before an afternoon of lazing—and i hope my so looking forward to doing that doesn’t somehow bung it up! i should never ‘plan’ for such things, but it’s nice to look forward to that! i wanna make chocolate strawberry shortcake too—bee in my bonnet about that….

            wait, was your birthday 10 days ago? happy belated birthday!! i’m sorry i missed it!!! aw, you’re too kind!! we’re ALL wise souls who have found a place here to share our different knowledge and add to each others’ lives!! your friendship is a wonderful gift, thank you!

            • salin

              I was confusing – and wrong -9 days after yours (the 25th). Love that we share our birthday month.

              Miss Tia, your friendship is and will always be greatly appreciated. And the lifelines that you threw me this past November – will always mean so much to me. I really was (and sometimes still am) at sea. ((Happy Birthday)) Your generosity of spirit is a gift, not just to me – but to so many that you don’t even know, but to whom you give a voice.

            • I seriously might have misunderstood you, that did involve math and I did attend Kent State where basic math skills seem to disappear! 🙂

              It is perfectly normal and natural for you to still at sea at times. I know in society today it’s almost mandated that things be resolved, dealt with, etc with a very short period of time; but that’s not realistic. Everyone also grieves differently and there’s no right or wrong way. The first year will ebb and flow, and might even be a roller coaster at times. You’re not only grieving, you’re learning to adapt your daily life without you Mom and that’s a lot for a person to deal with. So much of your day was spent with her, I can imagine how difficult it is at times. I find myself sometimes thinking of your Mom raking the leaves and how you said when you came home from the hospital there was a deer on top of them. Deer are so graceful, beautiful, and have the most soulful eyes. I hope that image—her raking and the deer, can bring you comfort at times. And you know you can ALWAYS phone me!! Even when I’m out in the sun! I can sun and talk! (Don’t tell Eddie 😉

              There are so many generous spirits here, including yourself with your words of wisdom. I am so appreciative of everyone here and the community. All of us speak out for different reasons, as you know, I speak out because no one spoke up for me as a child. One voice CAN make a difference. When voices join together?? What a wonderful choir of change they form! 🙂

            • salin

              I bid you good night with a heart swollen with love, as your compassionate/empathetic response hit so many beautiful chords. Thank you!

              Love the metaphor: how wonderful of a choir to join. It seems that the choir keeps growing, and the reverberations are having an impact. May voiceless children – find results from other voices that speak out – and as a result, find optimally changed circumstances – and may those adults involved find their lives optimally changed as well.

              Peace to you – again Happy Birthday in advance!

            • Frodis73

              Preach.

  • Ben Franklin

    Scientology have Disconnection, Jehovah’s witness have Disfelllowship and Disassociation. I am just still amazed at similarities between Scientology and Jehovah’s witness

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORbz5GT8bM

    • Dice

      “and so fourth and so on”… they are catching up! DOH!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Both are also heavily into real estate schemes.

      • Ben Franklin

        and seminars

  • flyonthewall

    Do you guys remember the incident in South Africa where the staff member got killed outside the org? His name was Geoff Murray (ED Joburg Org) and Kerry Ibert was his daughter. In Tony’s excellent article with Paul Burkhart, Kerry Ibert was called out as THE top dog to watch out for. I thought that was interesting.

    http://tonyortega.org/2016/02/13/scientologys-space-man-as-of-2013-active-scientologists-fewer-than-20000-worldwide/

    • Nat-leficent

      How do you remember all this stuff?

      • flyonthewall

        🙂 I didn’t memorize all that. I reread the Spaceman article bc it’s awesome and has gobs of info, then decided to look into Kerry.

      • flyonthewall

        hey, wth is up w/that crazy Choctaw lady always posting racy pics of herself?

        • Nat-leficent

          Might just be a character.

          • Nat-leficent

            That’s what I assumed anyway.

            • flyonthewall

              i just assumed she was a floozy

            • Nat-leficent

              XD

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Why do they all flee when I start screaming D truth or entheta? My friends and I laughed as one ran as iI was Xenu? Has it always been that way?

    • aegerprimo

      Todd you are an artist and a cartoonist. You have a unique viewpoint of the world.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Seriously, when did they start running? Anybody know?

  • Susan B.

    Friday is Free for All Day on Alan Colme’s talk show – The topic is your choice –good opportunity to talk about ***Scientology Disconnection*** –think of it as free PR. I’m listening now. I’m waiting for you to call and talk about your experiences with CO$/Disconnection. Right now two former Trump reality show winners are on to tell their stories of their not so good experiences with him. Trump has already called them losers and wanna-bees.
    1-877-FOR-ALAN or 1-877-367-2526 from 3 pm to 6 pm Pacific // 6 pm to 9 pm Eastern (Yes, I know, it’s FOX. Yes, I know, Greta and her husband. I know.)
    Hi OSA –have a great weekend(?). I hope you get Saturdays/Sundays off to sleep in, relax, slow down, do your laundry, see a movie, hangout with friends and family and recharge your batteries. Call you Moms, Dads and other loved ones on the weekend. You know they’re thinking, “CALL ME.” You know. I know you know.

  • Juicer77

    Catching up… does anyone have a copy of the Friends booklet or cassette? I really really want to know what techniques were recommended to deal with PTS!

    • aegerprimo

      Oh Juicer!

      Bunkeroos have posted this earlier today….

      https://youtu.be/nqMeMOUzdZs

    • OOkpik

      “Can We Ever Be Friends” is an total abomination designed as a substitute for a heart-to-heart by a Scilon and one of those nasty SPs. It sounds like badly done J&D with a quivering, stereotypical preacher voice and as much stolen Christian terminology as could be crammed onto one little CD. One was supposed to use it to create understanding between a Scientologist and his concerned family member or friend. I hope no one ever did! The result would have resulted in a worsening of the situation.

      If you can find it, it’s worth a listen but you might want to keep a barf bucket handy.

      ETA: Oops. Fly already found a link to it. (Thanks Fly.)
      Eta 2: The video at the link is not at ALL what I had to listen to. This remake (thanks Miscavige) is just loooong, boring PR, at least as far as I got, which wasn’t far. *gag*

  • Supper Powers

    I realize I am a broken YouTube record with this song. It is what I think of when talking about disconnection. And I always sigh….
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ysopXvd1E

    • April

      I <3 Peter Gabriel!!

      Edited to add: Maybe you should think of a more positive Peter Gabriel song like Solsbury Hill when you think about disconnection:
      I was feeling part of the scenery
      I walked right out of the machinery
      My heart going boom boom boom
      “Son,” he said, “Grab your things
      I’ve come to take you home.”

      • Supper Powers

        They both are on my mind! I agree! One of the best lines of a song ever.

        • April

          The uptempo version of Solsbury Hill that he does on the 1993 Secret World Live concert video is freakin awesome. Love, love, love that song for some reason.

    • Rasha

      Peter Gabriel. Yes.

  • Vaquera

    47x off topic:
    In today’s NYT there is an article written by someone I was not previously familiar with: Jack Hitt. I am now a fan.
    The title is The Battle Over The Sea Monkey Fortune. For anyone who was lured by the ads in the back of their comic books as child, I think this is a very well-written article (all sorts of lovely descriptions) about the inventor/marketer of Sea Monkeys and X-Ray Spex. It’s not short, but def worth the read. Reminds me a bit of LRH’s showmanship.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/magazine/the-battle-over-the-sea-monkey-fortune.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

    Add: After having now read Hitt’s bio, I’m embarrassed that he wasn’t on my radar before today. Have heard all of his This Amercan Life stories.

    • flyonthewall

      Sea Monkeys are a fucking lie

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I believe you mean a breeding lie. Sea Monkeys breed.

    • Wow! Thank you for this!! I’ll read it this weekend but I know my Vintage Ads’ community will love it!!

    • flyonthewall

      I can’t believe the creators of Sea-Monkeys was a freakin jewish neo-nazi! wtf is that!?

      Also, I am going to attend the Crustacean College of Sea-Monkey Knowledge and earn a DLD degree (Doctor of Denizens of the Deep).

      • Vaquera

        Can I stand next to you at graduation?

    • TonyOrtega

      Jack is a friend of mine. He’s a great writer.

      • Vaquera

        Should have known you’d have the hook up. I am completely….unsurprised. Talent attracts talent. 🙂
        He’s been added to my Twitter follows.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And then there’s the subheading:

      “A former 1960s bondage-film actress is waging legal combat with a toy company for ownership of her husband’s mail-order aquatic-pet empire.”

      I mean, you Have to read it now, right?

      • Vaquera

        Abso-damn-lutely.

  • nottrue
    • salin

      Run, run, run away!

  • cdub

    So David Miscavige keeps up the hype about Scienology expansion, meanwhile banishing anyone who questions his greatness, til … when? He can’t retire because he can’t bear to have junior execs moving up the food chain. That leaves two outs, death or flight. Is he in the Panama Papers? Because I’ve always seen him as the type that would take the money and disappear. Honestly his entire house-of-cards career as COB has to be near it’s end because of shrinking membership and Scientology fast becoming a media laughingstock.

    • Nat-leficent

      F5

      • Kay

        OM gosh that is really creepy….I’m gonna have nightmares !!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I think he goes down with the ship. He obviously thinks he’s smarter than LRH and will postulate or cognite his way out of any trouble. I used to think he was a bullshit artist and was conning the sheeple, but now I see him as a true believer, doing the best he can with the crap he was dealt. He’s in for the long haul.

      • flyonthewall

        He knows the Ideal Orgs are a lie and Sci is shrinking. He lies and cons the sheeple constantly. He is a believer in the power of Scientology to control people and get money from them, that is all.

        • Nat-leficent

          I often think the same thing but then I remember the copper wire thing XD

          • flyonthewall

            well, he is also crazy 🙂

            • Nat-leficent
            • but is he crazy like a fox?
              ETA: no offense to foxes

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              What does the fox say?

              https://youtu.be/jofNR_WkoCE

            • Rasha

              ^^^^

            • Qbird

              I really enjoyed your poem yesterday, Rasha.

            • Rasha

              Thank you, Qbird. I’ve been so struck by the families struggling to return to each other and the families who have, and feel so lucky I never lost mine. I’m happy you like it. ^_^

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Do you have an Iphone? You can ask Siri “what does the fox say?” If you keep asking, she will eventual go through all of the choices in the video.

            • Rasha

              I’ll check with Alexa first. 😉

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh, please let me know if she plays along.

            • Rasha

              Will do, as soon as I get home later.

            • Nat-leficent
            • L. Wrong Hubturd

          • Kay

            Copper wire thing?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Copper 7 ? Iud

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I agree he knows the Ideal Orgs are a failure, but he DOESN’T think it’s his fault or the fault of Scientology. That’s why he keeps going…like the Energizer bunny. Always thinking the next time, the next thing, the next fix will be the ONE that rights all the wrongs. If I’m wrong and he bolts without a trace, I owe you and your larva a stinky pile of garbage, cool?

          If he didn’t believe the words of the master so much, would he continue to do the same idiotic things over and over again? Tony’s latest tweet proves that DM cannot stop the same, tired old playbook. Only a true believe could be so blind. Only a true believer would use some stupid ass cooper rods as mentioned by Nat to ground himself.

          • Kay

            This is just my opinion: I don’t think it’s a matter of believing in Scientology at all…I think it’s a matter of narcissism run amok. He just can’t bear to lose face.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I pray he gets ass cancer.

          • Qbird

            He was raised in it & only it, he saw the power LRH had/has, teh tech works, see?
            So he stole it & he uses it & he’ll die with it. power belongas to him.
            He will die with “it”. I agree.

          • flyonthewall

            The thing is, he can be a “true believer” and at the same time be running a real estate scam. He believes in Sci as far as its ability to control and he believes in parts of Scientology. Namely the parts that compliment and reinforce his narcissism and psychopathy like SP’s, Big Beings, fair game, disconnection, BT’s etc.

            He can’t believe in all of it or he wouldn’t of destroyed it. There’s no more org board in upper management. The bridge is destroyed and replaced with crazy objectives and basics. They don’t make auditors anymore. Does he believe that Scientology is going to clear the planet? No.

            He is just buying time and keeping the flock introverted and busy so that the show doesn’t completely collapse and fall apart on his watch. He saw the stats were crashing and they were going to keep crashing so he came up with a plan to suck all the money he could from who was left in order to insulate himself and in a perverse way, protect himself.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I hear you, but the Ideal Org real estate scam gets him nothing personally. Why do it? Why not take a billion and run? Why deal with the crashing stats, the stress, being surrounded by all these people he feels are incompetent. He believes enough that it keeps him around, desperately trying to fix it all….all by himself.

            • flyonthewall

              Reasons for Ideal Org scam
              1. puts the onus of expansion on the public
              2. keeps the public busy raising and donating $$$
              3. Gives him stuff to show off during events to create the illusion of expansion
              4. Yet more money is raised at events for other scams like the IAS

              Rinder went over this pretty thoroughly at his blog and puts it much better than I can but that’s the gist.

              He’s not trying to fix anything, he’s only trying to cover his own ass and protect himself. Why doesn’t he run? Because if he doesn’t have anyone or anything to control then what’s the point of living? Control freaks can’t just chill on the beach with a drink, they have to be in charge and ordering people around, being the big shot. Besides, where would he run to? It’s a small world and he knows there’s nowhere to hide.

            • Kay

              That is a really insightful comment.

        • Kay

          That last sentence in your post “That is all” reminded me so much of the original MASH movie when the guy would announce stuff over the loudspeaker and would always end with “That is all”. I love that movie.

      • i think he’s a rat who would JUMP ship before it went down!! he’s not REAL captain and he’d push woman, children, elderly, ANYONE out of his way to escape!!

        • Nat-leficent

          Jump where though? Where can that dude go? He is a big fat NOTHING outside the sci bubble.

          • Kay

            Well I were a criminal like him, I’d take all of my ill-gotten gains and flee to deep cover in a country that doesn’t extradite to any other country like the Nazis did after WW 11. I wouldn’t be wasting any more money on empty real estate, I’d cash it in and take it all myself. I’m surprised he has not done that yet. It’s not like he would be leaving a family behind…..he would just be leaving an incarcerated wife who he doesn’t want anymore anyway. I think he is in love with the position and power, otherwise he would have already taken the money and gone. There is something there in addition to ill-gotten gains that is keeping him from leaving.

            • Kay

              P.S. I’m not saying I’m anything like him, or would take other people’s money….I’m just extrapolating based on his character, or the lack thereof.

            • flyonthewall

              You gotta also figure that if he leaves then there’s no more CoS money to protect him with lawyers and PI’s. If he left he would be totally vulnerable to summons and process servers and ultimately, justice. He’s trapped in that cult.

            • Nat-leficent

              ^^^^^^

          • he’s a big fat nothing INSIDE the bubble too! though of course most wouldn’t admit it—but i bet they think it!

          • Observer

            Some third-world paradise with no extradition treaty with the US, where he could live like an emperor. Clampocalypse Now!

            • flyonthewall

              The horror!

      • I respectfully disagree. Dave is mostly an Ex-scientologist, trapped by Hubbard’s and his own actions and forced to keep the scam going, imho. Money and power is all he’s got. Happiness, not so much. He knows. May be he is reading here right now. It’s rather sad situation. All of the above is just my speculation, of course.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I am thinking everyone who has commented thus far is right. He’s a true believer in a sense because he keeps going down the same wrong tracks over and over again, and who would do that otherwise? Yet he enjoys the money and power immensely and knows at least part of what he’s doing is pure spin, but he hopes he’ll get lucky the next time and be able to reverse the precipitous slide. And he’s narcissistic enough to hang in there through it all. The only thing that doesn’t add up to me is why he doesn’t do any courses or auditing any more. What level is he anyway?

      • Kay

        Oh I would say his level is about minus OT 10. I just really believe he thinks the whole thing is BS and a way to make money and exert sadistic power over others. But that’s just my opinion. I don’t think those late night “prosperity” evangelists really believe in Jesus either, so I guess I’m a cynic.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          I think we’re being too harsh on him. Every COB needs an exit strategy, and after all, he did inherit one hell of a situation from the Commodore. All of us SPs should put our collective brainpower and creativity together and suggest the best possible exit strategies to COB in a very respectful manner.

          • Kay

            Hmmmmm I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this. That’s OK.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Is it not in his best interest and ours if a proper exit strategy is executed? Complicated, I know.

            • Kay

              Well I just don’t think he would take advice or counsel from anyone but himself, although it is certainly a charitable idea. Yes, it is very complicated.

            • Observer

              *pssst…it’s snark*

            • Kay

              OK…color me clueless….LOL

          • Observer

            I am for any exit strategy which results in Captain Miscavige trading in his Armani suits and fake Navy uniform for a wardrobe of exclusively orange garments.

          • gtsix

            Die you sonofabitch.

            That good?

  • Willie Jones

    In all my years in Scientology I have never seen this much discussion on disconnection! It was always quietly understood it was there but was a taboo subject. It was the ultimate punishment for leaving the fray. With so many people willing to speak freely about how their lives have been impacted by this shunning practice, the disconnection earthquake has happened and the tsunami is roaring across the country! It is absolutely wonderful to have so many participate in spreading the word. We want our families back!!!

    • Nat-leficent

      We talk a lot.

      • Willie Jones

        SPs are great at communicating!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Sometimes non-verbal works too. Were you guys still there for the Library Pffft, or had you left by then?

          • Willie Jones

            Gone by then.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              That’s right. You guys high tailed it with Hole right after the presentation finished. I got some good video of the PI as I followed him out and BTN and I asked him some choice questions. I never posted it cause I’m lazy to make a youtube channel.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              The librarians were shooshing out of there fast!

        • salin

          And we welcome those who still under the radar – intimidated, but finding courage enough to read, and (hopefully, eventually) find comfort to find other voices that echo their experiences.

          At the same time, we hope the discussions will create public discourse outside that creates external pressure upon the bubble.

          We want families to be reconnected!!!

          • Willie Jones

            Yes we do!

    • Free PR pro tip to COB – announce a “Reconnection Rundown” release at the next major event.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yes, shunning is so hurtful and destructive a practice.

      It’s not just inside scientology, which I think is one reason it resonates in all circles.

    • Ella Raitch

      Great to have you posting here with us Willie.

  • salin

    Remember to recommend today’s UB. Given the recent news blitz from the WilliePhilBillboard Tornado of international press – the interview between our proprietor and Jeffrey Augustine, in pushing deeper into the issue of disconnection as current AND LRH directed policy (despite the superficial suspension – for appearances, but with weaselly words that indicate continuation – as do actual experiences in the intervening years between the late sixties and early eighties.) The recommend is like an upvote for the day’s article and the ensuing discussion in the comments.

    For your indulgence a natural space/atmosphere phenomena that requires no space opera – just good photography – an Aurora captured on a skycam in Oulu, Finland: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=124758&PHPSESSID=8q0bcbcvd6brffnn7uap9gnma5

  • Nat-leficent

    OT: Has anybody mirrored Marty’s youtube vids yet? Does anyone else think he might pull them down? You know to cause people to “rue” it all? XD

    • flyonthewall

      i worried about the same thing actually, it’d prob be a good idea but idk how. It’s doubtful he would do that but the thought did cross my mind

    • noseinabk

      At least the Jenny at LAX is already copied by a show ( David Pakman show) and Karen D. has an old LAX one on her channel.

      • Nat-leficent

        That’s good. It would be a shame to lose that one.

        • noseinabk

          That and the squirrel busters are a must see and already posted by multiple users.

          • Nat-leficent

            There are some other real gems too though — like stalker lady, OT convention at the car rental and the fishing convos with Mike re: Pie Face, Copper Rods, Battlefield Earth, etc.

            • noseinabk

              I could see him pulling them but besides a few that show the outrageously bad behavior by long time scientologist I don’t know that the rest would matter much or have already been written about and discussed enough that the relevant info is out there. We will soon be reaching a point that younger members wouldn’t find him relevant anyway.

            • Nat-leficent

              Younger members — lol — you kill me XD

            • Susan B.

              I love the one where Marty turns the hose on some of the squirrel busters. That was was a good laugh.

            • noseinabk

              That and scientology stalker at the door are hilarious.
              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOd__GJLeCs

            • Susan B.

              that woman is so annoying and so not her true genuine self. hopefully some day she’ll leave CO$ and meet her real self. ew. ew. ew. i’ve watched that video two or three times and she just makes my skin crawl.

            • noseinabk

              I feel bad for her. She is like the nerdy kid who thinks playing a part will make us think she is one of the cool kids only the cool kids she is trying to emulate are all losers and she was probably much cooler in her nerdy kindness before she followed the tech.

            • Susan B.

              sure the brainwashing probably works on deep-seated issues from a person’s childhood. depending on how many years she’s taken on the hollow shell of a scientology persona she could need a long time to recover if she ever left the cult. it’s hard enough being out of a cult and maturing and working on growing as a person, keeping up with nurturing a bratty whiny inner child, trying to be a good role model to kids, taking the high road. sounds corny but you know, loving yourself and accepting yourself takes a lot of circling back and looking at what you did and being honest and not making the same mistake too many more times. someone day she could be out of the cult, be browsing videos on youtube and find this horror show of herself. whoah!

            • noseinabk

              I can’t imagine having my real life mistakes immortalized on video. Having them on the bunker is bad enough. ☺She seemed fake and did not have the dead shark eyes like some of them do.

            • Susan B.

              sunglasses –couldn’t see her eyes. can’t remember if she had them off at the start or what.

            • Susan B.

              wonder if she knows now that this video exists.

            • MaxSpaceman

              She was Keith Olberman’s “Worst Person in the World” 3 times running back when.

            • noseinabk

              Interesting. Link?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Link may be in my ‘magination

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              I love this….Anna, from around here………OK I got that…in Scientology means fine shut up I’m talking and that phrase will make you stop your bullshit while I handle you with my perfect TR’s. I hated people like this even when I was a Scientologist.

            • Flying High

              I would of said your right to her ‘doctor analogy’ as in standard would be taking Lisa McPherson to the closest hospital and not passing by four closer ones en-route to New Port Richey.

            • Frodis73

              The dr thing slays me….I wouldn’t have mentioned it had I seen your comment first. DELUSIONAL!

            • Frodis73

              Monique cracks me up in this video with her “whatevers” that she says a few times. This lady is so ridiculous…comparing lrh auditor’s with freaking surgeons–get real lady. These people are so freaking delusional i wonder how they function in the real world at times.

            • Robert Eckert

              my fave!

            • scottmercer

              You DARE to compare yourself to an actual doctor, or compare Scientology to actual SCIENCE? Piss. Off.

    • Susan B.

      I’m not able to spend a lot of time following all of the threads here to truly understand what’s going on. So is Marty back to being an indy Scientologist?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        How much time do you have this evening? 😉

        • Susan B.

          Not much. 🙂 I’m at work, have two more things before I get outta here. But thank you kindly for the offer. Or email me at my eastpark18313 at yahoo.com account. I’m just interested in da facts, just da facts. : ) Wait. L. Wrong Hubturd? Weren’t you L. Wrong Hubbard not long ago or did I gloss over the “turd” thing?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Always been a Turd if you ask some people.

            ETA: No one knows what’s up with Marty….including Marty sometimes it seems.

            • jazzlover

              Well, you’re dead to me until you listen to 30 hours straight of solo Keith Jarrett 😉

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Maybe if I had to push pension paperwork, I’d like it too.

            • jazzlover

              I don’t push pension paper work. The guy’s a prodigy. Many piano giants before him have grunted while playing. See Steve Hoffman for proof that not all sound engineers know music.

            • But, you have to stop the record a few hours in to yell at someone in the audience.

            • jazzlover

              Between you and me, isn’t there an idiot or two at every concert that you wish would at least get yelled at, if not more?

            • I listened to the Koln Concerts over and over and over again in college. But then I went and saw him live, twice. Uncalled for hissy fits both times. He’s still a genius on the ivories and that will never change.

            • jazzlover

              The Koln Concert bores the heck outta me. It’s like a talented version of George Winston 🙂 I prefer his group recordings over anything solo. The Standards Trio is always dynamite, and if you haven’t checked out his American Quartet stuff (with Dewey Redman, Charlie Haden, Paul Motian), get thee to a streaming site and listen 🙂 His main influence was Paul Bley, the Canadian pianist who died a couple of months ago. He hates Chick, so you should love him if only for that 🙂

              Btw, Fripp barks at audiences far and wide and has done so for years. I can tolerate it for guys who can actually play their instruments.

            • Don’t get me wrong. I think he’s a genius. I think playing anything subtle in front of a bunch of rowdy primates has got to be awful. My band was loud art rock so it was never an issue. Except the time the drunk chick grabbed one of my tams and started banging it out of time. As for the Koln Concerts, the secret is marijuana. Lots of marijuana. I don’t smoke or eat it anymore, but back in college, it was like going to another galaxy. Start with My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts, then progress to Jarrett.

              Check out our lineup at Healdsburg this year . . . Healdsburgjazz.org

            • jazzlover

              Lineup looks good. I’d suggest definitely going to see Quest on Saturday, Day 1. Liebman and Beirach together are magic.

              Glad you don’t feel the need to do ganja any more. I think we can obviously see what it does to those “adults” around here when they go on their unhinged rants.

            • Susan B.

              lol. I think the L Wrong was so clever that I never noticed the last part. Glad I didn’t step in it!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I debated with myself for a loooong time about to turd or not to turd. In the end, once I settled on this AVI, I had to go the turd route to tie it all together.

            • Susan B.

              OK so for a sec I was worried you were not the real L Wrong, that maybe someone was copy-catting you.

            • Robert Eckert

              That is indeed something to keep an eye out for– but this is the same buttplug as always

      • Nat-leficent

        No (not that I know of), I’m talking about very old vids on his youtube channel. I’m afraid he’ll yank it out of spite.
        https://www.youtube.com/user/sthtexlensman/featured

        • Susan B.

          oh, got it. thx. 🙂

    • Frodis73

      Good question…those are important and should not be lost.

  • flyonthewall
    • I rode a 5000 back in the hood.

  • Ben Franklin

    A Scientologist on the streets of Plymouth, UK being educated about Hubbard and Scientology. Quite interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj_PzpjYFiw

    • Chee Chalker

      That was interesting, but at times painful because of the interference with the sound.
      Gotta give the guy credit though.

      • Ben Franklin

        A lot of wind blowing on the microphone

    • JaxNGold

      Despite the guy’s claim that Christ/Jesus is the creator of Man (he obviously can’t know that for a fact as it’s faith-based), I really loved how he practically schooled the $cientologist on L Ron. There were many moments where the $cientologist looked like he was actually listening and a bit shocked regarding the truth about Hubbard. Hopefully a seed was planted.

      • If you point out that IF THERE WERE JUST ONE REAL “OT” IN SCIENTOLOGY you wouldnt be there, and he wouldnt have to be out there on the street trying to ‘handle” you… and just as you walk away say “And the next time you hear the words “This is the session” you will recall everything I just told you ….

        Then he will sit in session telling the auditor all the stuff you told HIM and you get the data over the wall…

        Then the auditor has to write up a report to ethics… and OSA and THAT goes uplines to get read a few more times…

        After I did this a few times, they stopped sending anyone out to try to waste my time when I’d picket them…

  • If ONE person in the room wakes up to a con man’s show, he must be ejected lest he wake up the others.
    EVERYTHING else about “disconnection” is merely a shore story… Hubbard did like to tell us stories, didn’t he?

    See this section of the first official government inquiry into the covert hypnotic scam DBA $cientology
    The Anderson Report Chapter about AUTHORITATIVE HYPNOSIS

    http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist1.htm

    PS: The FLOATING NEEDLE is actually proof that a HYPNOTIC / TRANCE / SUGGESTIVE STATE has been successfully created.
    https://arnielerma.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/secrets-of-the-lie-detector-and-the-scientology-e-meter/
    PPS: Long winded pontification by fakirs can go on for hours.

  • noseinabk

    I was cleaning out my picture gallery on my tablet and had forgotten I had saved this :
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a99fb650f5c3d213e66a61b158327d023b5881b41f8958889e0a02f764e1d9e.jpg

    • Baby

      Nose..You won’t believe this I was actually looking for this this afternoon..but got distracted.. Weird .. and thanks Baby..

      How very true it is..

  • Free to shine

    Something that is not often discussed is that beyond the immediate disconnection of a scientologist from the “SP” is the misinformation and manipulation used on extended families. The “SP” becomes Fair Game within that family, mostly as a way to explain the disconnection. The scientologist will use anything they can, whatever they know of past issues the “SP” may have had to stir up bad feeling against them. There is no recourse, because it’s all done secretly with the appropriate smiles and ‘empathy’ towards a family member who had ever AT ANY TIME had a personal problem with that “SP”. You suddenly find that family members just fade away out of contact for no apparent reason, or worse still do things like block your email or Facebook or even rage at you for something that has no basis in reality. It is shocking and truly evil.

  • Observer

    I have discovered Captain Miscavige’s secret!

    F5

    • Juicer77

      XD

  • Kim O’Brien

    To all of my friends with children . Just a heads up . My daughter asked me what i wanted to do this weekend . I told her that i wanted to ” Netflix and chill ” ..So, apparently ..”chill” now means something else .According to the new nexus ..the last time i took a weekend to ” chill” …i got pregnant . To all you hipsters who ruined up the word
    ” chill” ….you are horrible human beings and i hope someone jumps you just to shave off your beard and rip off your skinny jeans

    • Jimmy3

      Hey.. chill out, brosephine.

      • Someone needs a PBR.

        • Jimmy3

          Last time I had PBRs, I ended up ripping off some hipster’s beard and shaving off his skinny jeans.

          • Jimmy3

            Strangest First Communion party ever.

          • Did you rip his trucker cap and wildcrafted, quaking aspen framed glasses off first?

          • Qbird

            I would pay money to see that… https://youtu.be/o-llaWwZqVg

      • Kim O’Brien

        i fucking love you guys …tru fax

      • Kim O’Brien

        you need to write for a living . Hunter would be proud of you …not kidding 😉

        • Jimmy3

          You so kind burt i cant right

          • Kim O’Brien

            i am not kidding . You got wit son ..and ya can’t teach wit . It shows how smart you are . Unless your job is to write ironic menus for people with eating disorders , your talent is being wasted . You are wicked smart , and can do stuff ( naturally) that other people PAY to learn how to do . Kinda like having perfect breasts without surgery .

            • Jimmy3

              That really does mean a lot to me. I love Thompson, but if I’m writing about my job, it is a job for Bukowski

            • Kim O’Brien

              chicken . I am SO gonna make you join the writers union .

            • Kim O’Brien

              have you ever read any of Christopher Moore’s stuff ? Like Lamb ?

            • Jimmy3

              Nope

            • Kim O’Brien

              read ‘ Lamb” ….by Christopher Moore …(or anything by him actually ~ edited for correction) I will even send it to you if ya want …i think you would actually love it . You are talented Jimmy …so just own it . I think you would really like this podcast called The Duncan Trussell Family Hour . That guy is an interesting dude ….writer , comic , your age,
              ( ish ) and brilliant .

          • Kim O’Brien

            wright on

          • Cedilla

            “You so kind burt i cant right”

            ‘Tis you have a Fear and Loathing of Spelling techniques.
            Aaron, amirite?

        • Nat-leficent

          🙂

    • Nat-leficent

      Millennials are horrible XD

      • Robert Eckert

        This spoof picture caused a hilarious generational flame-war in my Facebook feed, millennials calling boomers condescending and responsible for all the ills of the present day, while boomers retorted “awww, did you think this was a safe space, away from micro-aggressions that hurt your fee-fees?”

        • Qbird

          cake for the Millennials!

      • Qbird

        They oil their beards, they smell good & never have any duct tape on them… that’s how you can tell the difference between a hipster & a local.
        “Have you any coconut water?”

    • Qbird

      hipsters ~ I have seen these…

      • Kim O’Brien

        i have seen hipsters in the wild ….ordering tea and croissants . They are a strange breed . Kinda like the Dodo bird . At first you THINK they have utility ( like the turkey ) but then you realize that they are totally useless and are wasting valuable resources . Like oxygen …and denim

    • Kay

      Well THAT is annoying !

    • Newiga

      “i hope someone jumps you just to shave off your beard and rip off your skinny jeans”

      Hahahahahaaa!!! *almost chokes on coffee* AHAHAHAHAHAAA! Kim, I can’t breathe!

      • Newiga

        PS. However, beards are yummy…. 😛

    • Ella Raitch

      I was part of a sex ed class for 13 year olds a few weeks ago and ‘Netflix and chill’ came up as euphemism for sex among teenagers in regional Western Australia too! First I’d heard of it.

    • richelieu jr

      It is only in relation with ‘netflix’, so just…relax, baby!

  • Jimmy3
    • FredEX2

      Love anything by Led Zeppelin…That’s one of the favorite songs of someone I used to know.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    OT: but I found this drawing on the Facebook of a clam I used to know:

  • Suzy

    Was about to go to sleep but had to come back and read the line “The Bunker: The poor things!” one more time! It made me laugh so hard. 🙂

  • Dave Reams

    “Remember, there’s a big difference between kneeling down and bending over!”
    – Frank Zappa

    … Except in the incredibly fast shrinking world of David Miscavige where Sea Org members are routinely on their knees S.C.O.H.B. (soothing COB off Hollywood Boulevard).

  • OOkpik

    Home alone.
    The Washington DC eagles nest.

  • Lady Squash

    Hubbard was such an A-Hole. Language…

    • Susan B.

      Wouldja get to sleep already? Some of us are trying to catch our Zzzzzz’s. : P

      • Lady Squash

        Yeah, I’m a night owl…

  • Fink Jonas

    “Certainty of the SP/PTS data gives anyone the tech for optimum survival”
    This tech only assures the optimum survival of Scientology and nobody else by slowly re-programing and indoctrinating the reader, this book throw me of my game completely. First of all I had to learn what an SP was, I never herd of that till I got into scientology this book is not helping me to deal with my own enemies, is helping the church by placing me in a position to defend and fight FOR the church and for the church alone, they don’t care if I’m being suppressed in my personal life they only care if someone is attempting to suppress scientology, then I realized; I never signed up to fight for the church all I wanted was to learn some skills to deal with the sharks at the office, the wild and aggressive coworkers the kind that step on you as long as they get what they want, that’s what I thought I was learning to fight for….oh no instead I was becoming a CRUSADER, I never signed up to be a crusader!!! well the church knew automatically I would start fighting with the enemies of the church weather I wanted it or not…. that course really pissed me off, I wasn’t learning anything for myself I was being indoctrinated to hate other people on the churches behalf, not only I paid for the course I paid to become a hater, see that kind of force feeding of ideas into my head is what I disagree about this cult, I’m happy one day and the next I’m supposed to be spotting and hating “suppressives” Hell No! You pay me if you want me to start fighting for you!
    That course got me so confused my eyes were crossed.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You nailed it!

    • richelieu jr

      “That course got me so confused my eyes were crossed.”

      Well, at least you know it was working, then!

      Good for you for leaving, but everything you mention is a feature, not a bug. They get you so focused on your supposed ‘wins’ that you brush off the rest as incidental, rather than THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE OPERATION.

      It is like a young woman signing up for a self-defense class to not be so scared in the big city qand maybe tone up a little, and after the courses her teachers send her out to beat up their exes and colect unpaid tuition for them.

      There are two real ‘wins’ that can happen here-

      1) You realize you’ve been given a bait-and-switch: You wanted to be able to defend yourself against office politics and aquatic stapler-stealers, and instead they got you t pay to be their spokes-shark. So you turn your dorsal fin right back onto Fountain and head toward House of Pies instead of House of Lies.

      Good for you! WIN!!!

      2) The other is that you sense the limits right away, realize you are being used and then realize thatyou can do this yourself, either within or without the organization.

      -If you get it right away, congrats! This is called “Becoming a Manson”, and means you have HUbbard as a kindred spirit.

      – If you wake up after a while, realize it is bullshit (provably so!) but that all you ave to do is cut communication and take the reigns, thinking ‘power is assumed’ then you have pulled a “Miscavige of Justice”! Congrats, go get your slaves and collect a billion in cash and a moronic movie-star as your BFF.

      – If you think it is real for far too long, much as a child realizing if they cop to not believing in Santa there will be no more stockings full Hole (Helpful Hint: it is not on the Outside!) This is kown as ‘Popping a Mighty Marty’ or “Getting a Wrathful Rathboner”.

      Here, you may still manage to take the reigns and profit after all, butt here is a danger you may wake up, smell the coffee, meet an intelligent woman (well not too, or you’d be out of the question, right?) and see that it isn’t nice to enslave, lie and do the Gruesome Twosome Tango with David Miscavige. Then again, you may just get to take the:money and run– and fuck all the others anyways, right? They’re only ‘groupies’ or ‘wogs’ or whatever you want to call them, and you deserve this! Oppressing people is thirsty work, after all!

      Careful though– That little voice in your head, that little finger poking you in the sternum lay not be PTS memories of Der Dwarfenfurher, but rather that conscience you accidentally grew between chasing people fleeing to their loved ones and freedom, and merely dining out on how fun that was for decades afterwards… You light get bitter aftertaste.. Of course, they did make the choice, right, IT was their decision, right…?

      ———–
      (NB: Any of these options will cost your soul and value as a human being, but you will get a lot of stuff and get to beat as many underlings as you like!
      You will also end up like your role-model– one of the most lonely, cut-of people in one Earth, with only your own lies and sadism to keep you company.

      The third may still give you some leeway, should you man up and take it. )

      • Fink Jonas

        I like your dissertation it sure is an adventure either way, I even think some people stay longer into it just for the action and never thinking of the end, is like tanking a wrong turn into lala land either way it kept you entertained.

  • DexterSka

    Ugh, I am so glad I don’t have to read Hubbard anymore. He is the worse writer I have ever read. Just reading the individual paragraphs from the policies is making me sick.I’m glad that I don’t live in a world where is my fault that I can barely read his policies.

  • red_spherical_object

    When they mentioned Scientology… did you look at them like this? https://i.imgur.com/e1IneGq.jpg