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GARCIAS BACK IN COURT AFTER SCIENTOLOGY MAKES ARBITRATION IMPOSSIBLE, THEY SAY

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Luis and Rocio Garcia filed a new motion in their lawsuit yesterday, asking federal district Judge James D. Whittemore to lift the stay in their case and allow them to get on with suing the Church of Scientology. We have the document for you and its set of exhibits.

Last August, the Garcias lost an appeal in the case and then had to face the music: If they were going to get their money back from Scientology, they would have to submit themselves to Scientology’s internal arbitration procedures.

The Garcias first filed their federal fraud lawsuit in January 2013, alleging that the church had deceived them in order to obtain donations, including $340,000 towards the construction of the Flag Building in Clearwater, Florida, also known as the Super Power Building. The Garcias had been longtime Scientologists and frequent donors, and Scientology argued that they had signed multiple contracts which required them to submit disputes to the organization’s internal arbitration system. The Garcias argued, however, that the contracts were a sham. There were no internal arbitration rules, they said, and an arbitration had never been performed in the history of the church — all of which the church admitted in court was true.

Nevertheless, Judge Whittemore sided with Scientology, and put a stay on the lawsuit until the Garcias submitted themselves to the arbitration scheme. Which, we point out again, didn’t actually exist.

Now, nearly a year after Whittemore made that decision, the Garcias have come back to his courtroom in a new filing, describing the frustration they experienced as they attempted to work with Scientology’s “International Justice Chief,” Mike Ellis, to choose a panel of arbitrators and found themselves stymied at every turn.

Ellis had told the court that since there were no specific rules about arbitration written by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard (who is the source for all policies and procedures in the organization), he would use the rules used in other internal justice procedures. Ellis proposed that each side choose one arbitrator, and jointly they would choose the third. And all three arbitrators had to be Church of Scientology members “in good standing.”

(The Garcias had explained to Judge Whittemore that because they have been “declared” to be “suppressive persons” — Scientology’s version of excommunication — no church member in good standing would be free to side with them in an arbitration proceeding. But Whittemore wasn’t swayed.)

The new court motion and its exhibits spells out what happened when the Garcias attempted to work out with Ellis how to come up with those three arbitrators. Because the Garcias are “SPs,” by Scientology’s rules they are not allowed to communicate directly with any Scientologists in good standing. They can only communicate with Ellis, the IJC. Ellis, meanwhile, offered to submit a list of Scientologists in the Los Angeles area that he wanted the Garcias to choose from for their selected arbitrator. The Garcias objected, saying that didn’t think they should have to choose from a list of people Ellis had pre-selected. Instead, Luis Garcia asked for a list of all Scientologists in good standing to choose from. Ellis refused. Garcia submitted a series of names of Scientologists that he approved of for his arbitrator, but Ellis rejected each one, saying they weren’t in good standing.

But how were the Garcias to know if a particular person was in good standing if Ellis wouldn’t give them a list of them?

And around and around it went. Meanwhile, Ellis was taking longer and longer to reply to Garcia’s messages. And now, the Garcias have gone back to Judge Whittemore, and they’re hoping he’ll agree that Scientology is sending them in circles and have no intention of holding any kind of arbitration. Writes attorney Ted Babbitt in the filing…

While the Court found that the limited process set forth in the arbitration agreement was sufficient, in practical application that is not the case because the Defendants have taken the unreasonable position of insisting on a definition of “in good standing” that makes it impossible for Plaintiffs to choose an arbitrator of their own choice. Scientology continues to act in a manner that indicates they believe they are “above the law” and can deny anyone their right to due process with impunity. It would appear they hope the Garcias will become so frustrated they will just give up all hope of ever getting their claims heard as they play games and constantly shift the goalposts.

We think you’ll find the actual messages between Luis Garcia and Mike Ellis interesting, and they were all submitted as court exhibits. We’ve excerpted them for brevity, but we think you’ll get the idea.

August 18: Luis Garcia to Mike Ellis

“Pursuant to the order of Judge Whittemore and the arbitration agreements signed by us we hereby request arbitration against the following entities: IAS, IASA, USIMT, Super Power, CSRT, Orange County Ideal Org/International Landlord, CSI. I would request that you inform whoever the correct people are as your lawyer said you would.

Further, I wish to designate as my choice of arbitrator Mr. Garth Lombard…Irvine, CA…”

 
August 24: Ellis to Garcia

“Please specify what your claims are with respect to each of the entities named in your emails, including a brief description of the facts which form the basis of these claims. Since there are two claimants, please make clear which claims relate to Luis and which claims relate to Rocio.

With regard to your selected arbitrator, Garth Lombard has not been a Scientologist in good standing for years and therefore he does not qualify…If you wish, I am willing to provide you with a list of qualified arbitrators in the Greater Los Angeles/Orange County area. Alternatively, if you prefer, you can send me a list of potential arbitrators and I can let you know which of them would qualify.”

 
August 27: Garcia to Ellis

“The claims…are as set forth in the original complaint filed with the judge…

Regarding your offer to provide us with a list of ‘qualified arbitrators’…I would request that you provide us with a list of Scientologists in good standing, rather than ‘qualified arbitrators’ so we can make the decision we are entitled to do, rather than be provided a preselected list…

Furthermore, as you rejected Mr. Garth Lombard, we would like to offer Chrissie Pearlman Weightman as our choice as arbitrator.”

 
September 4: Ellis to Garcia

“It has come to my attention that you have recently sent emails directly to Scientologists Laura Quintero and Paul Bove. I remind you that according to HCOPL Sppressive Acts Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists, I as, IJC, am your only Scientology terminal.

If these communicaitons to Ms. Quintero and Mr. Bove, and perhaps to other Scientologists, are for the purppse of selecting a Scientologist in good standing as an arbitrator, I want to let you know that I am willing to facilitate this process, in alignment with the above referenced policy…

Since both Ms. Quintero and Mr. Bove are qualified to be arbitrators under the terms of the enrollment agreements, please let me know if you wish to designate either of them as your arbitrator.

Regarding your latest email communication, I must state that it is both unnecessary and burdensome for me to provide you with a list of every Scientologist in good standing in the entire world. You obviously know of many such individuals, and if you with to request me to inquire of any of them whether they will serve as an arbitrator whom you designate, I will do so, as stated above…

Finally, Chrissie Pearlman Weightman is not a Scientologist in good standing. She publicly resigned in 2010 by posting on an anti-Scientology blog. Ms. Weightman is not eligible to serve as an arbitrator….this is the third time you have attempted to designate a person who is not a Scientologist in good standing, which those agreements do not allow.”

 
September 15: Garcia to Ellis

“We appreciate your offer to provide us a ‘limited number’ of people that would potentially qualify as arbitrators. But we do not think it is fair, or within the spirit of the agreement for us to be limited to choosing an arbitrator from a preselected list compiled by you. We must insist that you provide us with a list of Scientologists in good standing in the United States, so we have ample opportunity to select one of the arbitrators among all Scientologists in good standing as you know who they are. We want to be afforded the same opportunity.

Regarding Ms. Quintero and Mr. Bove, we would not be interested in designating either one of them as arbitrators. I knew and worked with these individuals when I was a member of Scientology. I did send them an email simply asking if they would take a call from me. I asked for a simple yes or no answer. Neither of them responded so I sent them a second email. Ms. Quintero answered as follows: “No. Stop emailing me.”

Mr. Bove never responded at all. But both of them promptly reported the above to you. They do not want to talk to me. Their biased disposition is clear. Therefore, we don’t think they could possibly be fair and impartial to us.”

 
September 18: Ellis to Garcia

“Your request for a list of Scientologists in good standing violates longstanding Church policy which forbids orgs from providing parishionar lists to anyone. Scientologists have the right to their own privacy and it is not part of the procedures you repeatedly agreed to…

You were a Scientologist for 28 years. You know many individuals who would qualify, both public and staff. You were aware of Scientologists in good standing when you sent emails to them in 2010 and earlier this year.

Your communication should only be directed to me, as the International Justice Chief. I am your only Scientology terminal. Your communications directly to parishioners is a violation of HCO PL 23 December 1965 Suppressive Acts…

The fact that Mr. Bove and Ms. Quintero reported your attempts to contact them in violation of policy shows that they were acting as Scientologists in good standing who follow Church policy; it has nothing to do with their ability to be impartial…

I again ask that you select a qualified arbitrator and follow the procedures set out in the agreements you have repeatedly made…”

 
September 23: Garcia to Ellis

“We would like to designate Mr. Timothy DeWall as our arbitrator.”

 
October 5: Ellis to Garcia

“Your proposed arbitrator, Timothy DeWall, is not a Scientologist in good standing, and you know this. Among other violations of ecclesiastical justice policies, Mr. DeWall is guilty of ‘Continued adherence to a person or group pronounced a Suppressive Person of Group by HCO,’ through his association with your consultant, Mike Rinder.”

 
October 9: Garcia to Ellis

“It is difficult for us to select a ‘Scientologist in good standing.’ Only you are aware of everybody’s standing. We are only guessing. So we will keep submitting names until you can agree on one.

For the sake of time, I am submitting a large list of names I propose to serve as our designated arbitrator…”

 
October 21: Ellis to Garcia

“Without having gone through the entire list, I can already see that once again, you are being disingenuous by proposing individuals who you know are not in good standing with the Mother Church.

For example, Joy Graysen was expelled from the Church in 2011. She also publicly resigned from Scientology on Marty Rathbun’s blog, just as you had done. Katrina James was expelled in 2010 and you should know her from your participation in a gathering of a squirrel group she attended with you in 2011. I could go on, but the amount of time being consumed in this exercise should be obvious…

While I have not completed a review of all the names on your list, from the ones I have examined thus far, Ray Barton appears to be qualified. I will check to see if he is available as he is 90 years of age…”

 
October 22: Garcia to Ellis

“I am sorry to read that you think we are being disingenuous. On the contrary, we are making our best, good faith effort in selecting someone that is qualified. As we have stated before, this is proving difficult, because only you can adjudicate who is or who is not in good standing with the church.

…Katrina James may have been at a gathering of ‘a squirrel group’ in 2011 as you point out, which we also attended. We believe we didn’t have the pleasure of meeting her personally, as we didn’t many others as well. If I recall correctly, there were over two hundred people at that meeting….

This is further complicated by the fact that the church rarely informs parishioners when they are labeled ‘suppressive’ and therefore no longer in good standing…

I am glad to hear that you consider Mr. Ray Barton qualified. Please let me know if he or any other names from the list are acceptable to you, so we can once and for all start the proceeding.”

 
November 4: Ellis to Garcia

“First, I regret to say that Ray Barton has declined to appear as an arbitrator, based upon his age. He stated that he is 90 years old and that travel from his home in Clearwater to Los Angeles is not feasible.

I have been reviewing the qualifications of others on your list and continue to find that, thus far in my examination, the selected persons are either declared or otherwise not in good standing.”

 
November 4: Garcia to Ellis

“We are sorry to hear that Mr. Barton has declined to participate in the arbitration process. But we do understand his circumstances.

We have provided you with a list of 35 names with the hope that we would find a qualified person.

We eagerly await the conclusion of your full examination of such list and we remain encouraged…”

 
November 30: Ellis to Garcia

“You have submitted a list of 35 names, and I have been working through this list to identify the location and status of each individual and which of the persons is qualified to serve as an arbitrator. So far, I have discovered that most of the individuals on the list are no longer in good standing with the Church. As examples, David DeMichele has publicly attacked the Church and its scripture, and Mike Reppen has made derogatory comments about the Church and its leadership, and they are not in good standing with the Mother Church.

Your list does contain the name of Jasmin Buchele, who is in good standing with the Mother Church. She lives outside the United States and has small children, but I have written to her to determine her willingness and availability…”

 
December 11: Garcia to Ellis

“You keep insisting that we submit the name of a Scientologist in good standing. We assure you that is exactly what we have been trying to do…

Most of the people we knew at the time we left the church in November 2010 have subsequently also left. To submit their names would be disingenuous on our part…

Regarding Jasmin Buchele, please do let us know if she would be willing and able to serve… In the meantime, as you suggested, we are submitting the following additional names…”

 
January 27: Ellis to Garcia

“Jasmin (Buchele) Napier…has informed me that she is not available due to school schedules of her two young children and her husband’s travel schedule.

Your email included a list of additional names of potential arbitrators. However, you have continued to select individuals who are clearly not qualified. For example, Susan Crane publicly resigned from the Church in 2012 and is apparently being represented by your attorney Mr. Babbitt — facts which you reasonably would know. Mr. Pagano, Ms. Femine, Ms. Conway and Mr. Rhyne are similarly not qualified. Per our records Ms. Livengood is deceased…

There are more Scientologists in good standing today than ever before, so there is no shortage of people to choose from…

Your email states that you will continue to submit names of proposed arbitrators. They need to be qualified individuals. Submitting names of people who you know are unqualified is an abuse of this procedure…”

 
Here’s the motion the Garcias filed in court yesterday. Let us know how you think Judge Whittemore will react.

Garcia v. Scientology: Motion to Lift Stay

 
And the exhibits:
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C
Exhibit D
Exhibit E
Exhibit F
Exhibit G
Exhibit H
Exhibit I
Exhibit J
Exhibit K
Exhibit L
Exhibit M
Exhibit N
Exhibit O
Exhibit P
Exhibit Q
Exhibit R
Exhibit S
Exhibit T
Exhibit U
Exhibit V
Exhibit W

 
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Chris Shelton sec checks his mom, part 3

Chris and his mother get into the subject of disconnection…

 

 
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  • MrsLurksALot

    Found this in the “free” box at my local thrift store. F5

    • Mormonism, Hubbard and Harry Potter in one box. Perfect.

      • MrsLurksALot

        And the poor Harry Potter book was only in the box b/c it was missing pages in the middle of the book.

        • It’s a beautiful irony though.

          • MrsLurksALot

            Absolutely!

  • flyonthewall

    Ok so I was organizing my sci books and unles I’m missing one, which I don’t think I am, I don’t see any books written by non-scientologists about scientology from Miller’s BFM in 1987 to Reitman’s Inside Scientology in 2011. Can that be right?

    I didn’t count Blue Sky or My Billion Year Contract since those were by ex’s. ETA – on the subject of books by ex’s there was nothing b/w Blue Sky in 1990 and Many’s book in 2009. That’s a long time!

    • Dice
      • flyonthewall

        Hmm, never heard of it, but it was published in 2012. It’s slim, only 74pgs but the comments are interesting. People saying they learned it was a dangerous cult and not just a weird hollywood religion. That’s positive. Author’s bio makes him sound like kind of a fruit though.

        ” L. A. Klein is an accomplished writer and musician who is known for keeping a positive attitude and willingness to look for the best in people.

        Klein is passionate about natural health, encouraging others to find happiness, and cultivating meaningful relationships with others.” o_0 lol, ok then

        • Dice

          Sounds like an Honest Man! with flowers and fungus

    • Tony Ortega

      Andrew Morton’s “An Unauthorized Biography of Tom Cruise” in 2008?

      • flyonthewall

        Oh yeah! Never read that one. Thnx

  • Mark Foster

    OFF TOPIC(tl, dr)…but couldn´t resist…and those of you who know/remember what was happening in the “church” will find the lower tip of this turd particularly odorous(thanks to poster Invisible Man at Rinder´s blog):

    CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGY CENTER

    AND ECCLESIASTICAL LEADER OF THE SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION

    David Miscavige is the ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion. From his position as Chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Center (RTC), Mr. Miscavige bears the ultimate responsibility for ensuring the standard and pure application of L. Ron Hubbard’s technologies of Dianetics and Scientology and for Keeping Scientology Working.

    In that capacity, Mr. Miscavige has redefined the term “religious leader” to fit the tasks necessary to direct a truly unique, contemporary religion—a religion born in the twentieth century, which has achieved an unprecedented level of expansion in the twenty-first century, including some 11,000 Churches, Missions and affiliated groups across 167 nations.

    Under Mr. Miscavige’s stewardship, Scientology-supported social betterment and humanitarian programs have touched the lives of billions. Mr. Hubbard’s religious works are more widely available than ever and the Church has achieved unprecedented growth both in physical size and in the reach of its ministry.

    Such is the stamp of Mr. David Miscavige in fulfilling the vision and legacy of L. Ron Hubbard and such is the encapsulated story of his leadership:

    Guaranteeing the continued growth and expansion of Scientology internationally

    Making Scientology broadly available to people of all walks of life world over

    Developing programs to address society’s worst ills and providing the resources to put those programs into action

    Ensuring that the Scripture of Scientology is true to the Founder’s original writings

    Developing proprietary audio restoration technology to preserve Mr. Hubbard’s recorded lectures

    Forming translations units and establishing methodology to ensure the foreign dissemination of the materials of Dianetics and Scientology

    Seeing to the international dissemination of the Scientology religion and its humanitarian objectives through establishment of a 185,000-square-foot Scientology Dissemination and Distribution Center

    Creating Ideal Scientology Church Organizations

    Establishing two state-of-the-art digital publishing houses capable of producing 1.3 million books and 1 million CDs per week

    Inspiring the Volunteer Ministers Program, the world’s largest independent relief force, with more than 200,000 volunteers

    Securing official recognitions of the religion

    Presiding over nine annual globally broadcast events that serve as briefings for Scientologists on the Church’s strategic programs

    L. RON HUBBARD’S TRUSTED FRIEND

    Born in 1960, David Miscavige has been a Scientologist for most of his life and is still remembered as the 12-year-old prodigy who served as the youngest professional auditor at Saint Hill’s famed Hubbard Guidance Center in England.

    He is further remembered for the fact that barely a year after entering the Scientology religious order, the Sea Organization, at the age of 16, he was among a handful of people selected to work directly with L. Ron Hubbard. After personal instruction from Mr. Hubbard, the 17-year-old David Miscavige served as his Director of Photography for the first Scientology training films.

    Later, at Mr. Hubbard’s request, Mr. Miscavige served as the senior executive supervising ecclesiastical missions to Scientology Churches around the world. By the age of 18, David Miscavige had become the individual L. Ron Hubbard called upon to carry out the most important assignments. No Church executive in history ever received more direct communication from L. Ron Hubbard than Mr. Miscavige.

    In 1983, L. Ron Hubbard described a heroic Church executive who cleaned the ranks of rogue staff attempting to seize control of Scientology while Mr. Hubbard was engaged in intensive research and absent from the Church. As Mr. Hubbard himself phrased it:

    “So forgive me for not managing the Church when it almost fell into hostile hands. It all came out all right. Why? Because real Scientologists made sure it did. My faith was justified.”

    That real Scientologist L. Ron Hubbard spoke of was David Miscavige.

    In light of what had nearly transpired, L. Ron Hubbard requested a corporate reorganization of the Church designed to ensure the Church would not fall into hostile hands and the religion could move on into perpetuity—always remaining true to its Source teachings. To that end, L. Ron Hubbard saw to the formation of Religious Technology Center to hold the Scientology and Dianetics trademarks and to preserve, maintain and protect the Scientology religion. He appointed Mr. Miscavige a Trustee of that Church organization.

    To oversee his personal affairs for the remainder of his life, L. Ron Hubbard also appointed David Miscavige as chairman of the organization charged with handling those matters.

    Following L. Ron Hubbard’s passing in 1986, it was Mr. Miscavige who steered Scientology through those difficult days; for as history demonstrates, the true test of any religion is to survive the passing of its Founder. Indeed, it was Mr. Miscavige who secured that survival by obtaining full religious recognition in the United States and ushering Scientology onto the global stage.

    Since then, Mr. Miscavige has steadfastly carried forth L. Ron Hubbard’s legacy, until Scientology now stands as the only major religion to emerge in this modern age. To be sure, what Mr. Miscavige has done is no more or less than the fulfillment of L. Ron Hubbard’s vision—a vision he knew would be faithfully carried out with Mr. Miscavige at the helm.

    “Trust and friendship are things forged in fire and pounded out on the anvil of life. We have been through a lot together. I trust you as you trust me.”

    —L. Ron Hubbard to David Miscavige

    • Panopea Abrupta

      “No Church executive in history ever received more direct communication from L. Ron Hubbard than Mr. Miscavige.”

      Er, I think that would be Mary Sue Hubbard née Whipp.
      She ended up in jail

      • Mockingbird

        The product of Scientology !

    • Chee Chalker

      “Real Scientologists” made sure the scam did not fall into enemy hands.
      So, now that has been translated into MISCAVIGE saving the scam by himself?
      From Scientologists (plural) into Scientologist (singular)?
      I’d be pretty ticked off if I was one of those original scientologists.
      On the other hand, when the whole thing falls apart, COB will be the one to go to jail.

    • gtsix

      When did J. Swift pick up another alias? Good parody is always good.

      Ugh, is the official release of pure shit prebombing his dad’s book?

  • Dice

    While we keep waiting for Mark’s “Knowledge Report” here is a good one…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8eTe_Ank8

    • Don’t get me started.
      I “debated” futilely about the corruption of the CPD.
      And, in the bigger picture the inadviisability, and blatant unconstitutionality of “blurring the lines” between state action and, in these cases, hiring out uniformed state actors, for private purposes.
      The same problem arose when the bush gang of war profiteers hired halliburton and associates to do Iraq.
      And when states privatize the justice system, e.g. privatized prisons….some of which are Halliburton.
      If there is a Constitution, you can’t contract it away.
      Either in war, or domestically.

      • Dice

        I have been wondering about this whole thing too…
        In Europe i haven’t seen/heard so much of this practice and always thought it was one of the reason behind the Low corruption level especially in my little country. But apparently this has been going on for a long time in the US starting with the outsourcing the prison system as one of the major pointers. But this “Cop for rent” must have been going for decades and it should not be allowed at all. They cant do it here like that, but we are almost there as we are likely to Copy the US since the WWII

  • Dice

    For those who didn’t believe Darwin anyway…
    https://twitter.com/DavidWAkin/status/719253049760350208

  • flyonthewall

    Greg Wilhere says with the L’s they are grabbing people by their thetan throats and getting them to confront things very very fast. Well why didn’t you say so!? Where do I sign up??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqB0koLLxaw&t=7m50s

    • flyonthewall

      Oh god! A few minutes after this he says they “grab the thetan by the throat, get a boot and we kick him so hard”! At approx 10:40 mark. Wtf is wrong with these people!? Who hears that and is like, “Yeah I want that and I will pay through the nose for it!!” I don’t get it

      • Narapoid

        Jason Beghe said the Ls “Fucked me up.”

        • flyonthewall

          well no shit they did, his thetan got his fuckin ass beat!

          • Narapoid

            Wasn’t Wilhere locked up in the hole in Hemet?

            • flyonthewall

              Yeah he was. Brousseau says he was an enforcer and errand boy for Miscavige.

              ” Greg Wilhere RTC — “Miscavige used Wilhere to do a lot of his message runs and execution of assignments like making all of the Int execs run around the pole for hours on end or sitting in the conference room confessions transgressions for two weeks straight while he supervised and recorded our actions for Miscavige. Put me on the e-meter a few times to find my ‘crimes.’ Was the IG, was the AVC Aide.”

              http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientologys-concentration-camp-for-its-executives-the-prisoners-past-and-present-6714390

              Read a bit else on him real quick and he is apparently a non-person now. Erased from history and not spoken of.

            • Narapoid

              Thanks Fly! I guess the new Miscavology has no room for him. I wonder who the new crop of sycophants are?

              They are probably reading this page now. *Waves*

            • I kinda get the idea there is pretty much no one but Him and his slaves. He rules it all himself. Oh and the registrars and that cute young gal that is the spokesman now.
              Seeing’s how Shelly was decked finally doing up an Org Board, I don’t think he likes LRH’s Org Boards or pays attention to important PLs like Why Orgs Stay Small (constant bypass of the org board lines). HE is not a scientologist in Admin (or Tech I hear). Not that he would be much better off if he was nor do I give a shit. However if he did follow at least Admin Policy it may make a safer space for the crew. Then again less may leave … may as well leave it as it is Cece.

            • flyonthewall

              The recent article by Tony, maybe a month ago? mentioned a few honchos to watch out for. They’re not in Hemet though, they’re in the HGB I believe.

              http://tonyortega.org/2016/02/12/scientologys-space-man-the-newest-defector-from-church-management-opens-up/

            • Narapoid

              I have been called by some born-ins at the Hollywood Guaranty Building.

        • Supper Powers

          It’s good to go back to that video every 6 months. After you think you’ve learned something about CoS that video illuminates a whole new layer each time.

      • Ella Raitch

        Sure sounds like a church.

    • Supper Powers

      What a dork.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Here is — at the time of the taping, I’m saying- not any other time, I’ve no idea of Greg’s personality — a super major douche. The douchebag of douche Dick Wadd.

      • Liberated

        I think the poor fella looks brain-damaged.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      The Ls scare the pants off me. People do not come back from that with their right minds intact.

  • This situation presents an interesting point. Luis and Rocio are not bound by church policy since they are no longer part of the church. It is up to the individual members of the church to assert their wishes regarding communication directly to the Garcias. It is not up to the Garcias to follow church policy as Ellis keeps reciting to them. So it’s all well and good to tell the Scientologists they aren’t allowed to talk to SPs, but why the fuck do I care. I’ll talk to whoever the fuck I want and if they don’t want to talk to me then they can tell me.

    ETA: Who the fuck is Mike Ellis to tell the Garcias that people don’t want to talk to them! He’s not legally representing them. He doesn’t have power of attorney. What if he is holding those two people they tried to contact hostage and telling the Garcias one thing and the hostages another? Fuck the IJC and fuck Scientology.

    • Liberated

      Hell yes!

    • gtsix

      PREACH! You follow your religion, I don’t.

    • And all of this will be quite apparent to the judge.
      In my opinion.

    • Baby

      jason c.. said to spread this far and wide.. f5

      • Mockingbird

        Totally stolen !!!

        • Baby

          OMG I hope you meant you stole it from me/jason.. and that jason didn’t steal it.. I am confused..

          Is it a good thing or bad? I don’t know whether to say Great! or hide my head in shame..

          • Mockingbird

            I meant that I have stolen the picture from you for my own use.

            • Baby

              Hahhaha.. Yay.. I was hoping you would say that..I loved it the minute I saved it.

            • Mockingbird

              🙂

    • Mockingbird

      I think Scientology interprets the situation as it’s their religious freedom to require others to follow their doctrine and commands, and if you don’t then they will say you are oppressing them. They will say following Scientology blindly is religious freedom and disagreement is being a bigot. It’s all simple when you understand the cult sees themselves as the ultimate and infallible authority on everything and everyone.

      • PickAnotherID

        If that’s the way $cientology sees themselves, then they need to stop looking in the mirror and look out the window. There’s a big world out there, and the world is saying, “No, you’re not. Not even a little bit.”

        • Mockingbird

          Hubbard would certainly call you a suppressive person and DM would call you a CICS.

          • PickAnotherID

            I’m honored!

            • Mockingbird

              Some of my favorite people are labeled SPs and I would rather be a CICS than help David Miscavige.

  • MaxSpaceman

    A Pan video from February. I missed it then. Stumbled today across it.

    Reaction to the release of real church membership numbers, on top of everything else coming down so hard on the head of the church. It’s hard not to just roar out loud. What a show! So, for those like me who missed it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9ELe1oydU

  • Spackle Motion

    Garcia should put forth a list of high profile celebrity clams as those are the only ‘good standing’ robots around. That would also be a good way to show how ridiculous the clampire is being.

  • For those of you who are lurking and in good standing. Now that the Garcia’s e-mail is a matter of public record, please two of you e-mail them your name and tell them to select you as their arbitrator, and then another one become the arbitrator that they both agree upon. Then your big coming out can be giving them ALL of their money back immediately followed by you resigning from the church and citing this as your reason.

    • LOL I’m pretty sure they won’t have to resign – the church will kick them out by order of CBO the pope.
      Heck why doesn’t all the guys lurking come out at once. Their is little way OSA will be able to keep all the declares and disconnects in order and there will be no one showing up at the orgs except perhaps outer org trainees who aren’t on the internet. Ahh sigh… I dream….

      • Mockingbird

        The internet should crash if Scientology has to declare everyone under the radar still. Many entire families stay just involved enough to keep ethics off their backs. Some folks do intro courses and little services to stay in good standing, but try to go part time, then always back out of coming in due to “unexpected emergencies”.

    • Cedilla

      An abstract work of art.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      That’s a very logical plan. Are you sure you used to be a Scientologist…?

    • Mockingbird

      I can try but I have a feeling my thousand plus online posts and comments exposing Scientology as a criminal cult might affect my eligibility. OSA has tried to drive me to madness or suicide, so they might object.

  • I think the fact that all of the Scientologists that the Garcias knew as of Nov 2010 have since resigned or been expelled from the church is more telling than anything. 45 people and not one of them remains a Scientologist in good standing? Scientology is definitely shrinking.

    • And since it’s Garcias we are talking about, their 45 contacts are probably not poor either.

      • Expand on that thought, plox.
        It seems that you may be suggesting that whales are beaching themselves.
        But then, every time I assume, lately, I end up an ass.

        • Your assumption is correct.

          • so, still, tell us your thoughts about that
            Garcias’ circle have all bailed
            Oh, buck it, the cult is doomed.
            Doomed as doomed can be.
            Is that what you meant?

    • Oh yeah, the Garcias’ filing contains many Easter Eggs.
      Massive in the implications.
      “Its the words that we don’t say that scare me so.” (Elvis Costello)
      Amazing how just laying out facts and letting one draw the obvious, inescapable, conclusion on their own, is more effective than trying to tell them what they should think.
      When you work for it, you own it.

    • Mockingbird

      I honestly think there are more flat earth “theorists”. I don’t know which is more pathetic.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Anyone know anything about Rebel News? I was just watching an old Chanology video and a pop up ad came on near the end of it saying the Church of Scientology recommended a video on the intro of Rebel News.

    • Frodis73

      Was this on youtube? It sounds like one the things that come up when the channel you’re watching has an ad pop up that says: “We recommend so and so…” and it links to a vid they like or one of their sponsors/partners. There is at least one channel out there that is called Co$ but they are anti scientology.

      Not sure if that is the ad you’re talking about or not though.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        I was on the KnowYourMemes site. They have the very first Anon video on Scientology followed by the Anon Call to Action vid. If you watch Call to Action, toward the end a pop up comes up that says Church of Scientology recommends the Rebel News video.

  • How this relates to the general topic at hand is that one of the people in this video (the sax player, you can hear him, but not see him …. he just got off tour with Kid Rock…..but don’t hold that against him, I don’t, he’s finally getting paid), was a “Scientologist” (as they so inclusively define the term) more than 30 years ago, a fact which he shared with me when he learned that I demonstrated against the cult, and thanked me for it.
    He also shared that even back then he had to call the police to get them off his back when he left.
    I was chagrined.

    When I started this post I hadn’t even remembered that.
    I was just going to make something up as far as relevancy in a shameless act of gratuitous pro bono promotion, which this ends up being.
    These are among the best musicians in Detroit. And the bar was cool as hell. My first time there. Had to be circa ’40’s-’50’s Detroit. There is a balcony(!) where it appears one could have a lot of fun.
    Yeah, don’t yell at me the, video and audio aren’t in sync.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YoKzdIizUM&feature=youtu.be

    • Baby

      Shorp.. do you know Subgenius?

      • I’ve seen him around.

        • Baby

          tell him Bunker says hi.. He always talked about Detroit and the bars and bands.. Thanks..( and we miss him)

  • cdub

    For never-ins, these exchanges between Ellis (Scientology) and the Garcias are perfect examples of the 1984 double talk all us ex members endured. Ashamed to say I was the zealot talking in circles, but that was then.

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    As examples, he stated that Joy Graysen was expelled in 2011 since she had resigned.

    p.6

    Lol

    • Perceptive, you are.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        I sense some sarcasm there. Bear with me, I just read the thing and haven’t plunged in the comments yet.

        • None. Absolute sincerity.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Good enough. 🙂 Could’ve been the 70th time it was mentionned downthread. Just too damn silly to pass up.

            • I try hard not to be sarcastic in writing. Only the greats could do it.
              Plus, even when you’re totally sincere, people take you the wrong way.
              Especially in the written word, since there aren’t all those other cues, like tone, gesture, and facial expression .
              So any “nuance” only adds to the misunderstanding.
              To communicate, is to be misunderstood in the first place.
              (OK, to give an example. I was at a reunion of sorts, of people my age, but who I didn’t know intimately. I remarked that everyone had gotten only more attractive through the intervening years.
              I was attacked and accused of claiming that they had achieved nothing, but that.
              It was at that point that I resigned myself to never being heard the way I intended)
              So subtle, covert, sly, is not my style.

        • Not at all, but I would like to see you state why this is significant.
          You know, for shits and giggle.
          I can assume but its better, I think, to spit it out.
          “You can’t quit me, I fired you!”
          Or something like that.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Something like that.

            But I take a little more significance by the cos’s generous use of expelled in reference to anyone who leaves, whether expulsion applies or not. It’s a reflex in an attempt to cast aspersion on former members. It’s a feable attempt to reclaim a dignity and moral authority that they just don’t have, and they prove it over and over again in their own words and deeds.

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      Good one! Likely straight from DM himself.

  • Baby

    ” the Mother Church.” bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahhahahahhahahhaa Where is this Mother F*ckin church? f5
    ……………………………………………………………………

  • Observer

    OT: the CA parole board has recommended Leslie Van Houten, former Manson Family member, for parole. This post is not about that. This post is about this post about it (i don’t know the poster):

    refresh

    • April

      I don’t thinks she should be paroled either, but what a bunch of political bullshit.

      • Yeah, that’s what my comment was about…..DAFUQ?!?!? that’s not even political bullshit, that’s just lack of thinking, common sense, and DAFUQ?!?!

        • Observer

          I’m just wondering about the Obamian feline release…

          • daytoncapri

            You know, sometimes, you just have to draw the lion.

          • i know!! you know cat lovers would be protesting that!

    • Um?! Dafuq?! When did people stop thinking? Using facts? SMDH

    • Robert Eckert

      can’t have felines loosed upon our society!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRSwh2yKUU

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Kitteh has a right to keep the paws warm. What insane person sent the sweet thing out in the snow?!?

    • salin

      Obama releasing felines at will. Oh noes! Cat people!!!

    • Kestrel

      If the posts I see on Facebook are any indication, we don’t need more felines introduced into society.

    • noseinabk
    • Illinoisian

      Not sure where Obama is keeping them confined, but this is what we can expect to see when they are released back into society.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am very worried about these extra cats. Will they expect to be petted? Will they want to sit on our laps?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Will they come for our tuna?

    • MrsLurksALot

      I just hope Obama is having all the felines spayed and neutered prior to their release. Otherwise, we’d be overrun. Maybe that is his evil plan…..hmmmm.

      • Frodis73

        That’s where I went first too…I was like cats? What??

  • OT–Eddie News: After so many employees asked why Eaton wasn’t gonna sign up for employees to get benefits under NAFTA (they get extended unemployment and education/training) since their jobs WERE going overseas aside from like 2 token jobs to NC, they decided to DO THAT! Should’ve done it in the first place! But this is funny….I told Eddie to take anything that sounded interesting training/education wise so he wouldn’t have to report to unemployment where he put in 2 applications that week, plus it costs Eaton money—plus Eddie just wants to get by until he reaches 62 and can start getting SS.

    He said “I think they offer computer classes, maybe I could take one of them and impress you with what I learn.” After I stopped laughing, I told him I would love to be able to sit in that room and watch that. He insists he’s not that bad. I started laughing again. I bet he’d end up calling me to come translate for him in that class!! ‘No I’m sorry, you can’t tell him to go to the start button, he’ll turn it off; tell him the window button.’ ‘No, he does not realize the difference between a website and a program and thinks they’re the same. Save your sanity, realize this now, don’t even try.’ ‘He thinks the control panel is the keyboard.’ I should do whoever the instructor is a favor and send him to class–if he takes such a class—-with a helpful note!! “So you have Edward as a computer a student: helpful hints to save your sanity!!”

    • salin

      An ‘Eddie’s operating manual’ for the instructor!

    • He’s so playing you.

    • noseinabk

      Maybe Eddie should start with one of those Sr. Internet classes at the local library. He reminds me of this woman at the phone store I was at back in Dec. She was almost in tears because she thought that her new phone not being signed in yet meant that she had to start over on facebook. The clerk had the patience of a saint. I spent a good half hour waiting and opened up the UB on all the devices that would let me.

      • Well, right now while he’s working, that wouldn’t work as those are usually in the evening and that’s when he works. He also wouldn’t go to one of them anyway—cuz he can call ME! But he WOULD go to a computer class for job education purposes. As he said, he’d be unemployed and it’d get him out of the house for a few hours a day and he might learn something (yes, I laughed).

        He sort of had that same theory when he got a tablet!!! He thought once he logged into his ‘network’ the tablet would know all of his passwords. Let me see if I can find that. Yep, found it!! December 7, 2015 copy/pasted from my blog (i really gotta go thru my blog and tag all ‘phone calls with edward entries’)

        i have to put in the password for my wifi right?
        yes, put it in and there’ll be a box asking if you want it to remember it, just hit yes and it’ll always connect to your wifi at home
        [are you ready for this??]
        once i log into my wifi then the tablet will know all my passwords right?
        at first? no, think about it, when i was over with my tablet and i got on your wifi, i had no access to your passwords
        but that was you, this would be MY tablet and ME so it should know them right?
        once you set it up, it will know them; but when you first get it out of the box and it’s brand new no but it’d still be mine and it should know them right away when i log into the wifi when i first sign on so i don’t have to set it up
        no and i’m really at a loss for words here, this is 100 times worse than when you asked if i was gonna install google on your laptop….

        no, i could NOT continue that conversation……no way no how….nope…..

        but alas, he topped that…..i set it up saturday after it arrived and called him to let him know he could pick it up on his way home from the park with his dogs…..i was telling him i’d show him a few things since it wasn’t a tablet from hell and he could do more with it…..he
        mentioned youtube and i said yes, i put the youtube app on his home screen….then:

        when you go to youtube it’ll be the mobile version, so you’ll have to take a few minutes to figure out where what is
        why is it the mobile version? [that is a valid question]
        i dunno, i think you should be able to get the full version via firefox on the tablet but if you go to youtube via firefox you still get the mobile version
        what’s the difference?
        you’ll notice that the site is more condensed to fit on a narrow, smaller screen, that’s the easiest way to describe it
        does it being mobile mean i can go to another city and get it?
        [i could not even laugh, i was and i think still am, quite shocked] you could go to siberia and get youtube
        is that the mobile version?
        um, let me know when you get here

        • Frodis73

          omg, i’m on the floor. I don’t think I’d could handle helping him with tech stuff for more than 5 mins. lo. My heart goes out to you!!

        • noseinabk

          This sounds remarkably like the conversation between the lady and the clerk at the store. It reminded me of back in the old days and having to explain to my mom how to clear crap off her computer. *shudder*

        • PickAnotherID

          Actual tech support call:
          Tech: “After that, hit any key to continue.”
          Customer: “My keyboard doesn’t have an “Any” key. What should I do?”

        • noseinabk

          Btw. My brother in law spent two years taking hvac courses that he never used after his glass company shut down. He had worked for them for 30 years and they shut down two years before his retirement. He was lucky in that he still had his retirement package that older companies provided.

      • and actually it just dawned on me after i searched copy/pasted that part of a blog entry, he once asked me about facebook too when he got another laptop…..i wonder if that lady was related to eddie? 😉

  • beauty for ashes

    How come I never saw this? ALso if you’re new they do talk about the Garcia case. And they have squirrels! Okay going back to finish watching.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adcnym-hvAE

    • Flying High

      Good Catch and you may also love Mark Ebner being interview by Media Mayhem and its fabulous host on the same topic as here. 🙂

      • beauty for ashes

        Can I tell you, I love Mark Ebner, partially because when I first listened to an interview I thought he was this 70 year old paunchy guy in a Hawaiian shirt.

  • salin
    • I’m trying to sleep.
      Can you turn them off please?
      Thank you.

      • salin

        Too late. But there are some heavy drapes that can be drawn. Hope they help.

        • I actually have great eye shades.
          A must for sleeping with ambient light. Trains, planes, and automobiles (not as a driver one would hope)
          Oh my, the difference in the quality of sleep is enormous.

    • outraged

      I hope and pray and trust that one day I will see these lights with my own eyes.

      Thank you so much for continually posting these photos. It is so wonderful to contrast all the awfulness going on with the brilliance and spectacularness of the Northern Lights. Kind of makes everything else seem so small and insubstantial. Which helps.

      That was you who sent that amazing link to the live Northern lights streaming? Can you post it again?

      • salin

        Those are from a sky am in Tromso Norway that is off line 6 months a year when there is too much light for the cam to pick up the lights. It goes back on line mid-late Sept. You can bet I will post it when it’s back on line. Glad it is appreciated by others. : )

    • Baby

      OMG breathtaking pig..

  • Snippy_X

    I love to see Ellis’ answer, if they requested Shelly Miscavige.

  • Off topic. Just finished watching HUSH on Netflix. I recommend.

    • outraged

      what’s it about?

      • Deaf and mute writer lady fights off a serial killer in her cabin in the woods.
        It’s somewhat better than it sounds.

        • outraged

          lol. Actually it sounds good.

          I am working thru all the horror flicks on Netflix.

          I skim the really really bad Netflix horror flicks, kind of like skimming thru a book. Because you can stop whenever you want and see the frames, it is easy for me to find the relevant parts in a horror movie so I can at least find out what happens without watching the whole thing. I call it Netflixxing the movie. lol

          • I hear you. I thought this one was pretty original and well acted.
            And voiceless, you know.

            • Baby

              Oh good thanks Dodo.. I will watch it this week..

          • Baby

            I love Netflix.. I am now binging on Bollywood Movies and it is driving Hubby Nuts..I’m at computer reading subtitles.. ( It’s on our computer ) and the songs are getting on his last nerve..

            • outraged

              Good! He deserves it for ratgate.

            • Baby

              That is exactly the plan OR … ahhhhh yes.. ( and it’s working)

    • noseinabk

      I considered watching that but thought it would be predictable. Cant wait for the next Jessica Jones.
      I have coccyx at Off Topic to thank for mentioning that show.

      • Baby

        nose got another new avi..cute.. Jessica Jones..Is that a movie or series?

        • noseinabk

          Netflix series. She kicks ass and I can’t help but like John Ritters’s daughter in this role

          • Frodis73

            She’s not related to John…she’s from PA or something. He does have a son that’s in the biz for sure, not sure about a daughter though.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Krysten Ritter won me over with her stint on Breaking Bad, and I’ve been her cheerleader ever since. Jessica Jones was great. It bugs me, though, that she’s tight with scilons like Ilaria Urbinati (who’s her stylist).

              And I think John’s son Jason is just a doll. He’s another one I like to root for.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, was it you that coined the term scion adjacent person? Lol, she’s def one! I loved JJ…they did a great job with ptsd, rape, etc.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              They really did–so much to dig into with that show. On a surface level, I’m thankful enough just for a show with such interesting and complex female characters.

              Yeah, she’s scilon adjacent, unfortunately. Urbinati isn’t her only sci buddy. She also seems to be friendly with Danny Fucking Masterson. (I know, I was like: Girl, you’re killing me over here. Do we need to stage an intervention?)

            • Frodis73

              Yes, yes we need an intervention asap!! Ew, douche boy? That is a huge bummer…he seems like such an ass.

            • Ella Raitch

              I read a very sweet blind item about her traveling cattle class and playing video games with the young boy seated next to her, and of course it must be true.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Aww, that’s adorable! I choose to believe it, too. She’s gotta be good people, right?

            • Gertrudis

              5FL&L – A really good Jason Ritter movie if you haven’t already seen it is “Good Dick.” Really touching and thought-provoking.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              You know actually, I have seen it! Ritter’s girlfriend at the time wrote it, I think. In all honesty, I came to that movie for Martin Starr, but I left wanting to put Jason Ritter in my pocket and take him home. He was so lovely and charming in that movie. And yes, it was very thought-provoking. Marianna Palka is the writer/director/actress’s name. Not sure what else she’s done, though…

          • Ella Raitch

            Didn’t know that was John Ritter daughter eta and now I see it isn’t

            • noseinabk

              😩 Bummer. I like her anyway.

        • noseinabk

          Nat post’s avi’s for me and I just accept my fate.

          • Baby

            hahaha so cute..

      • I love Jessica Jones. Give Hush a try.

      • Frodis73

        JJ was amazing! I can’t wait for a 2nd season. Long way off though. 🙁

    • Ella Raitch

      Movie or TV

  • Nat-leficent
    • Nat-leficent

      F5

      • Nat-leficent

    • noseinabk

      Omg! My magical powers invoked Nat. Just mentioned you about 2 seconds ago.

      Saved the topic to peruse tomorrow. Grabbed my interest in the first meme since our black lab is named Otter becouse he would drag his back legs when exiting a kiddie pool and it made him look like an otter.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Enjoy your unethical shenanigans Ellis, you dodgy slime-ball, a circle of hell awaits.

  • Susan B.

    Amazing. It’s like the stars have aligned and the universe is shouting “Scientology Disconnection Does Exist!!!!”

  • Fink Jonas

    Luis Garcia should have asked for Tom Cruise as arbitrator.

  • Nat-leficent
    • Graham

      I think this is an unhealthy looking sadist subjecting someone’s detached gonads to electro-shock. [Or could be some idiot attempting to interrogate a pair of tomatoes, though that’s ludicrously unlikely].

      • Nat-leficent

        Truly.

  • Fink Jonas

    The whole thing is a nut soup of insanity and the judge failed big time by trusting Scientology procedures.

  • Ruby

    O/T… Sorry if posted already… “Oh no Ross and Carrie” at the lrh life exhibit is up on their podcast channel. 🙂

    • Baby

      Oh Yay..thanks Ruby

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      OMG I need to go to bed but I will get back to it forthwith!

  • Frodis73

    I just a 2nd read through all the dox. I love the letter where the Garcia’s are accused of abusing the system and there is an lrh quote about being honest or something. It is so obvious that these letters are actually coming from Miscavige…too bad the judge won’t pick up on that small bit of info.

  • beauty for ashes

    Well this is on topic adjacent mentioning John Travolta. For those of you just as confused by his performance in the OJ series as I was. 🙂
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RZ_IeMbKmk

    • Frodis73

      Lol, he nailed it!

  • PickAnotherID

    Going through the filing again, I noticed this:

    22. On January 19, 2016, the Garcias sent the same request by certified mail return receipt requested. That certified letter and receipt is attached hereto as Exhibit “U.” The Defendants refused to accept delivery of the certified mail.

    I hope Ted Babbitt has a copy of ‘HCO PL 26 May 1965 Communications, Registered Mail’ handy. He’ll need it to show the judge it’s $cientology “policy”, written by Hubbard when he was ducking law suits, to refuse all Registered/Certified mail.

    • Dave Reams

      He will if you send it to him … registered mail of course! : )

  • Frodis73

    totally ot: Lmao, I guess nightline has a story about women withholding sex from their boyfriends/husbands unless they promise to not vote for Trump…too funny.

    • Elegant Mess

      …and while hiking in Griffith Park yesterday, I spotted no less than 4 “F–k Trump” tags. I’m usually not a fan of spray paint in my parks, but I will allow that message. 🙂

  • Observer

    Refresh

    P.S. hot flashes suck.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Ice pillows!

    • Dice

      I want one!

  • Fink Jonas

    The judge thought Scientologist were people of good faith, LOL sorry am cracking up.

  • MaxSpaceman

    The music of Scientology: this video shows everything from day 1, re Scilon music. Stuff not many people have run across; a couple things not ever posted here.
    It’s too good to miss.

    A well written and presented piece. Here’s the description of Hubbardworld:

    Scientology is the quintessential modern American religion.It’s business practices are modeled after McDonald’s and Coca-Cola. It uses very contemporary marketing techniques. And it is on an endless quest for mountains of cash.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpESDTqX-SQ

    • Scream Nevermore

      Judging by their output, Sciloonery stunts, if it doesn’t outright destroy, the creative capabilities of adherents. Compared to the religious music of other faiths, it results in the production of musical dross. Which makes it all the more tragic that they have their claws in so many people from the ‘arts’. And I wish someone would write an academic paper on it!

      • Bob

        Scientology and Hubbard destroy real creativity in all artists. I’ve seen it time and time again.
        There are not great fine artists, all the great musicians in the cherch reached their peaks long ago and are coasting on their earlier fame. Same with the actors. I can give you specifics but anyone can do the research on google in two seconds.
        Creative people who have joined the SO are never given credit. They die on the vine.
        Peter Schless is a perfect example. He has disappeared off the face of the earth.
        It’s great that Ron Sr. Left. He can now play trumpet whenever he wants.
        Good idea about the academic paper.

    • madame duran

      I was expecting the Scientology jazz music clip at 1:43 to morph into the intro song for The Simpsons. I really think it would work. A music mash.

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      Scientology makes a mockery of everything it attempts. If it wasn’t so evil, I could appreciate more the somewhat charming nincompoopishness of it.

      Can you feel the inspiration oozing from Source? F5.

  • Gus_Cox

    Miscavige is such a goddamned stupid asshole it just defies all reason. Please continue, Sir! hahaha!

  • Linda Clement

    Another question for those who know more than I: is an arbiter required to make any sort of commitment to be unbiased? I know Commodore Liverlips made it ethical to lie to SPs, but is a promise of fairness in court-ordered arbitration in which the court does not take part considered legal testimony and therefore liable to perjury?

    If plaintiffs choose an arbiter, do they have the right to question persons to determine whether or not to choose them? If Ellis were to provide them with a list of what he calls “qualified arbiters,” could the Garcias ask a question like, Do you believe that instructions left by L. Ron Hubbard must be followed, and do you intend to follow Hubbard’s instructions while you are acting as an arbiter? If the potential arbiter says yes (he or she is liable to be declared an SP if the answer is no), then the plaintiffs could say, Therefore you intend to … ” and read Hubbard’s infamous definition of an SP and how $cientologists are supposed to treat them. Lying, destroying, etc. The potential of the person to be a fair arbiter is now zero, and the unfortunate $cientologist who got stuck in this position can resume breathing and stop comparing methods of suicide.

    The only way out of the dilemma is if the potential arbiter is able to state that he or she has never seen the goldenrod letter and does not know for certain that the Garcias have been declared. At that point the plaintiff could ask if the potential arbiter believes in Ellis’ authority as International Justice Chief. Presumably the potential arbiter says yes again in order not to be declared (while internally considering the alternative advantages of gunshot vs. drug overdose vs. hanging oneself). In that case the plaintiff could refer to Ellis’ own statement iterating $cn policy as it applies to the Garcias, showing that they are treated as SPs in accordance with Hubbard’s instructions.

    Somewhere around this time the Ecclesiastical Dunderhead will have both Ellis and the former potential juror sent to the RPF, and the position of International Justice Chief will never be refilled. Or Ellis will still be IJC in name but nobody will be allowed to communicate with him.

    I’m sorry this post got inane as it went on. I was trying to ask a serious question, but the more I tried to logically deduce the possibilities the sillier they got and I became utterly mired in a swamp of dueling contradictions so extreme that I have been forced to reevaluate my previous opinion of $cientology. I no longer think that the only thing the Church of Scientology is consistently good at is shrinking. I now believe that the church is. also stunningly effective in emanating pure drivel.

    My brain is sore. I’m going to sleep.

    • OOkpik

      A sore brain doesn’t seem to slow you down any. Great post.
      Sleep well.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      There is absolutely no sense, no sanity, nothing like that going on at this point inside scientology world. None. So justice is far beyond the pale to expect.

    • Bob

      Once an ex really examines what he or she is taught they come to the conclusion that Hubbard was insane and evil to boot. Their is no logic here. Only self preservation on the part of the cherch. Like cornered rats they will do anything to escape. That’s why they are so dangerous to deal with.

  • OOkpik

    The orchid that I dedicated to the memory of SugarPlumFairy is sending out its blessings again.
    We miss you, Mary Marinelli. (sugarplumfairy) <3

    • Ella Raitch

      Thanks so much for sharing

    • aquaclara

      Beautiful.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Mornin’! Word: Playoffs!

        • aquaclara

          We have a very happy family member!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So like her spirit. Thank you. Beauty just for the joy of it. That was Sugar.

  • Judith Sylvester

    Go to nypost.com and click on The Post endorses Donald Trump. He looks just like David Miscavige.

    • Bob

      Totally spot on.

  • Margie8

    What the hell? Is this judge a secret member? What a bunch of shit. At least some hard truths were exposed by the idiots but I had to laugh at the “more Scientologists than ever in good standing.” Ummmhmm, sure.

  • How does one go about getting into comm with the Garcias?

    • aquaclara

      You could send a note to them via their attorney’s office. Babbitt’s address is in the filing.

  • Simon Tology

    Anyone know why, as the only terminal for declared SPs, Ellis is not dead from all the connections he has with Suppressive Persons?

    At the very least he is PTS to every member of the church.

    Do they keep him locked in a room somewhere so he can’t spread his PTSness?

    Or do they keep him locked in a room because everyone else is locked in a room in the Sea Org?

    Either way, someone should ask him how he manages to survive.

  • flyonthewall
  • wannabeclear

    My favorite is the final exhibit where they print out dozens of those “personal websites” from the era when $cientology gave everyone that fabulous net-nanny software to install on their computers. There must be hundreds of these sites floating out there from people who are no longer members and many who are now outspoken critics. How long do you think it will take for the Co$ to assign someone to remove all of them from the interwebs. ROTFL.

  • indie8million

    What a lovely mom you have, Chris. And your interview really spoke to me from another view or aspect.

    My adult child has never been in Scn. but my ex was in (at the same time I was, of course) and left in the early 80’s. My child at 8 years old was picking up the phone and a Scientologist would be asking what the ex did for a living, places they would frequent, etc. My ex picked up the phone and tore the guy a new one for it.

    I stayed in so we had an interesting time staying connected, despite the other parent being declared. Mostly because the declared one would 3P me to the child and do everything to keep me away.

    But, a lot like your mom and you, we stayed connected because we were kind and respectful to each other, and are now best friends, as adults.

    So the interview really resonated with me. Thank you.

  • indie8million

    Mr. Ellis reminds me of a dog chasing his tail, or one of the few, ridiculously naive Scientologists who PAY to run around a pole.

    I wonder if he’s worn out the carpet yet and how long it will be before he is sent to the RPF for having his emails appear in a court doc AND on Tony Ortega’s (suppressive) blog.

    Sheesh.

  • indie8million

    Joy Graysen didn’t resign! Pfft. They put immense pressure on her to resign, if she did. They were going to declare her because she wouldn’t disconnect from Michael Fairman (who was declared for going down to see Marty Rathbun in Texas), and their daughter.

    She said, “I haven’t even done anything wrong!! I’m just having a normal relationship with my ex-husband and our daughter. I didn’t go get auditing outside the church or even go to Texas.” (that’s paraphrased. Hope I got it right, Joy.)

  • Xenu Ate My Baby!

    Good grief.
    Can there a better example of the complete and utter childish behavior of anyone “in good standing” with the COS????

    COS: Nyah, no, Bob Smith is NOT acceptable, he stepped on my toe in the lunch line, as you are well aware!
    COS: As you are well aware we will NOT supply you a list of persons qualified AND also in good standing with the COS. Get on those cans and suss it out yourself!

    Seriously, reading the responses to the Garcias put right back to my student teaching days in an Elementary school.