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SCIENTOLOGY’S SPACE MAN: As of 2013, active Scientologists fewer than 20,000 worldwide


[Paul Burkhart and fellow Sea Org survivor Camilla Andersson at Mt. Rainier]

Yesterday, we began telling you about Paul Burkhart, the newest defector from Scientology’s international management to go public with what he experienced after joining the church in 1980, joining the Sea Org in 1985, and then leaving a little over two years ago, in August 2013.

For ten of those years, from 1999 to 2009, Burkhart worked at Scientology’s secretive International Base near Hemet, California. His job was to make space plans for the renovations that were constantly going on at Scientology facilities around the world. That put him at the center of what Scientology leader David Miscavige was doing, but at the same time gave him a measure of protection from the increasingly contentious atmosphere at Int Base. As former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder put it, Burkhart was both in the “center of the shitstorm” at the same time that he inhabited “his own bubble.”

Burkhart was so insulated, for example, he didn’t really know who Mark “Marty” Rathbun was, even though Rathbun, as Inspector General of Ethics for the Religious Technology Center, was essentially the second-highest ranking member of the church and Miscavige’s right hand man and chief enforcer.

At one point, Burkhart says, Rathbun was sent to his office to look into a problem involving architectural plans for Building 50, the lavish structure at Int Base that Miscavige was having built for the RTC and for his own wing of offices.

“Marty was sent down to investigate. I knew he was a big executive, but I didn’t really know who he was. I didn’t even stand up when he came in and asked me questions at my desk. He seemed a little concerned about that,” Burkhart says with a laugh.

There was another executive at the base whose stature Burkhart had no misunderstanding of. That was Shelly Miscavige, wife to the church leader and, as “COB assistant,” a formidable executive in her own right.

“She had a hard social veneer,” Burkhart says, “but she was immediately very warm to me. She never yelled at me for anything.” And her loyalty to COB — her husband Dave — was unwavering.

At one point, he says, when they were discussing the personal spaces to be designed for the Miscaviges to live in at Int Base, Burkhart remembers her telling him, “I wish I could build a palace for COB.”

He worked closely with her as they planned Building 50 and its sumptuous interiors. But no matter how lavish it was, there was no pleasing Miscavige. Burkhart tells us about an incident that happened after the building had been completed. He and others were called to the building and were told to wait for Miscavige to address them.

“We were called to Building 50, and we were sitting around in desks that had never been used. We waited all afternoon and evening. Finally, around midnight, we were marched out front to the circular drive there. Miscavige was haranguing us for messing up whatever it was. And then he handed a water bottle to a young woman who was an RTC estates worker under John Brousseau, Maggie Truax. Miscavige told her to open it up and throw the water on us. ‘Sir?’ she asked. ‘Wrong answer,’ he yelled at her. ‘OK,’ she said, and then she flung the water back and forth on the guys in the front row. They couldn’t move. They had to stand still and take it,” Burkhart remembers.

“I got the impression that Miscavige just needed something to complain about. He didn’t really want things to get fixed,” Burkhart says.

“So then Shelly had to patch things up afterwards,” he adds, saying that it was her typical role. He remembers her telling them, “Come on, guys, you have to realize, if we can just get behind him, we can accomplish our goals.”

Burkhart tells us that our timeline of what happened between Shelly and David Miscavige, which we reported based on things told to us by Mike Rinder, John Brousseau, and other eyewitnesses at Int Base, was the way he remembers, too. In 2005, Miscavige had gone to Los Angeles to work on a publishing project, “The Basics,” and Shelly had stayed behind at Int Base. While her husband was gone, Shelly took care of some tasks that Miscavige griped were never getting accomplished. She filled out an “org board,” for example, placing people in open job slots. And Miscavige had complained that he needed to have his personal items moved out of a building in “The Villas” so the space could be renovated. Shelly had the Household Unit crate up Miscavige’s things so the renovation could begin.

“They did a beautiful job storing his stuff, and set up temporary berthing for him in another set of buildings called the G’s,” he says — which is exactly what we had been told. When Miscavige returned, he blew a gasket when he saw what his wife had done in his absence. About a week later, around late August or early September in 2005, Shelly vanished. Except for a sighting of her at her father’s funeral in the summer of 2007, Shelly has not been seen in public or at Int Base or at a Scientology event in the decade since. It’s believed that she’s being held at a small, even more secret compound that Scientology maintains in the mountains near Lake Arrowhead, California.

Burkhart didn’t know where she was sent. He didn’t really think about her disappearance until about a year later when his boss Laurence Guenat referred to Shelly missing while speaking in hushed tones.



By 2009, some of the Int Base executives being held by Miscavige in “The Hole” had been in the bizarre office-prison for five years, ever since it had first been created in 2004. Burkhart had managed to keep from being a prisoner at the request of his boss, Guenat. But not only were many of the other top international managers being held in the Hole, most of the other people Guenat and Burkhart worked with for space planning and renovations were working 90 miles away, at a Sea Org facility in Hollywood.

So, that year, the two of them transferred to Los Angeles. Guenat told him she was happy to get out of the “prison camp atmosphere” of Int Base.

They then worked out of the HGB Annex, a building across Ivar Avenue from the Hollywood Guaranty Building, an 11-story Beaux Arts office building owned by Scientology that houses on its first floor a museum to the life of L. Ron Hubbard. At night, Burkhart was berthed at an apartment complex on Bronson Avenue across from the Hollywood Celebrity Centre.


[The HGB Annex at Hollywood and Ivar, adorned with Scientology’s Sea Org logo.]

And now, Burkhart was presented with another startling discovery: Outside of Int Base, Scientology had been through a demoralizing two years of intense pressure to sell “The Basics.”

Released in 2007, The Basics were Miscavige’s effort to re-release more than a dozen of L. Ron Hubbard’s early books on Dianetics and Scientology, as well as hundreds of lectures, re-released as packages of CDs. A complete set of The Basics cost about $3,000, and every Scientologist was not only expected to buy at least one if not more sets, but every staff member and Sea Org employee was expected to spend multiple hours a day cold-calling church members to get them to order their sets. (Many Scientologists already had copies of previous editions of the books and lectures, and some of them couldn’t help wondering if Miscavige wasn’t just subjecting them to a naked cash grab. We’ve talked to numerous former church members who date their disillusion with the organization to the Basics push.)

At Int Base, Burkhart had been shielded from it, but now that he was at the HGB, he could see what everyone else had been put through as they spent day after day trying to sell the books and lectures.

“This church has become nothing but a money machine,” Burkhart says he remembers thinking. “All forty people in the Landlord Office had been part of it. They were used to marching from their posts to selling Basics for hours every day.” At musters, they were harangued about their sales, or they were presented with games to get them to sell more. Burkhart says he considered himself very fortunate that the nature of his job meant that he only had to spend time selling the books for about 12 days. “I was one of the very few who managed that,” he says.

For the people around him, the Basics effort went on and on. Meanwhile, in the world outside, all hell was breaking loose. We asked Burkhart what kind of reaction there was inside Scientology as, in the rest of the world, a series of upheavals was making Scientology the subject of press attention like never before. The Tom Cruise interview video and the rise of Anonymous in 2008, the “Truth Rundown” in the Tampa Bay Times in 2009, and subsequent interviews with Rathbun, Rinder, and other former top officials in many venues for the next several years. In 2011, there was Lawrence Wright’s lengthy story about Paul Haggis in the New Yorker, which then turned into his book Going Clear at the beginning of 2013.

How aware was he and the Sea Org officials he worked with, we asked Burkhart, that this storm of media attention was going on?

Not really at all, he told us. “I wasn’t really aware of those guys out there doing what they were doing. OSA [Scientology’s intelligence wing, the Office of Special Affairs] would have known, and some of the upper echelon guys at Int Base would. But everybody else, your general staff member, not a clue,” he says. Scientologists, particularly those in the Sea Org, were skilled at ignoring negative press about the church.

Instead of media, what took up most everyone’s time was the selling of books, he says. “At that time what was being pushed was Basics. That was made such a big part of every person’s life. You were either with the program and willing to sit on the phone for three hours a day and put up with the false enthusiasm about it. Or if you weren’t, you were out.”

And a substantial number were doing just that, he says. Just before he transferred to the HGB in 2009, he was told that 75 workers were “routing out” there at the same time. (Before a Scientologist can leave the Sea Org, they are required to go through a series of intense interrogations, a routing out process that seems designed to route a person back in.)

During his four years at the HGB and its annex, Burkhart was busy making space plans and architectural drawings for Scientology’s “Ideal Org” program, David Miscavige’s ambitious plan to replace ordinary churches — called “orgs” in Scientology parlance — with much fancier, updated facilities, often in historic downtown buildings. But Burkhart says he also spent considerable time on another project taking shape in Los Angeles — the renovation of KCET’s television studios, which Scientology had purchased in 2011. As the Basics program began to deepen his disillusion, Burkhart spent much of his last couple of years working out the reworking of the media center.

“I was doing space plans for it. I was already kind of withdrawing and trying to do less and less. There must have been a hundred different space plans for all the units going there — even RTC. Everyone was going to have an office there,” he says. Two years ago, we started to see fliers urging public Scientologists to donate money to the building of the “Scientology Media Productions” (SMP) project. Burkhart says Miscavige’s plans for it were elaborate — and unrealistically so.

“There were endless space plans about what to do with it. Part of the purchase was that they got to keep lots of broadcast equipment that was already there. And it has two big sound stages. The space plans I was doing, they were ridiculous. You had plans for 30 people doing editing, and then six more studios for radio shows. There would be hundreds of people with all kinds of equipment. But, what are they going to do with all this? You can broadcast your own radio show, I guess, but they’re never going to do what they are planning. It was just a pipe dream,” he says.

We told Burkhart that what confused us about the KCET renovation was that Scientology already had state-of-the-art studios at Golden Era Productions (“Gold”), the studios at Int Base. Why build another set of them?

“I think the biggest factor, deep within Miscavige’s mind, was that the people at Gold, he had done so much shit to these people, it was all just an antagonistic relationship. He just wanted to get rid of those people. At HGB, they were talking openly about how the SMP was going to be staffed up with all young, eager people. And they were saying this to Sea Org people who had been in for 30 years or more. Yeah, sure, we’d say, get more young people in — like that was going to happen,” he says.

“Even the Gold staff members who didn’t go in the Hole, they saw the people who were in the Hole, they heard communications about it, they were in meetings when Miscavige was going off like an asshole. It was becoming intolerable. It was just a super antagonistic relationship, for years — people being thrown in the lake, the beatings — how do you move forward with those people? I know that Miscavige just wanted to take everyone at Int Base and just vaporize them.”

So the development of the KCET studios is just a way to turn away from Gold and its association with the Hole, and to pretend that a whole new crew of enthusiastic young Sea Org workers is going to flood in and staff the place? That’s it, Burkhart tells us.

“I was doing the space plans. The organizational structure was being planned. But there were no people for it. They were gearing up for the renovations, they had the equipment. But no people.”

And what about broadcasting licenses? When Miscavige puts out fliers saying that Scientology will be putting out television, is he talking about actual broadcasting and not just YouTube?

“That was the plan, to apply for licenses,” he tells us. (And if anyone can help us with how to look up whether Scientology has applied for broadcasting licenses, we’d appreciate it.)



We were most anxious to ask Burkhart about what he saw in the last couple of years that he was in the Sea Org — 2012 and 2013 — which was much later than any of the other Sea Org managers who defected and went public.

Was he aware, for example, that not far from where he was berthing, in another apartment complex owned by the church, Ann Tidman was living out her last days?

He was, he says. Known better by the name Annie Broeker, Tidman had been among the last people to spend time with Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, and had become his primary caretaker in the last years of his life. She had then spent nearly the rest of her life at Int Base, and was dragged back when she made one dramatic dash for freedom. Burkhart says he knew Tidman when he was working at Int Base, and that she was becoming erratic in her final years. “She was kind of losing it at the end,” he says. And after she was diagnosed with cancer, she was moved to an apartment near the Hollywood Celebrity Centre. Burkhart says he was aware of it, and that she was dying in a Scientology apartment not far from his own. Afterwards, Tidman’s death was kept from her own family, and news of her passing didn’t reach the public for more than six months.

After asking him about Tidman, we compared notes with Burkhart about various other figures in Scientology that he had known or known about. And then, Burkhart told us about another woman in the Sea Org.

“I don’t think you know this name. But you should,” he said. “She’s literally the key person in Scientology now.”

Kerry Ibert’s title is typically Scientological. She’s the “CO CMO IXU.” That stands for the “Commanding Officer of the Commodore’s Messengers Organization, Internal Extension Unit.”

“Since all the other top managers have been sent up to the Hole, Kerry is running things. She is the person who runs every muster at the HGB, and Miscavige dictates to a woman named Tracye Danilovich who in turn gives those instructions to Kerry Ibert, and she gives them to the people actually running the orgs around the world,” Burkhart says.

“The reason that she is significant is that all of the other people have been sent to the Hole. She has hung in there despite all that, and if she was sent to the Hole, I don’t know that there’s anyone there who could run all those people,” he adds.

“She’s a real piece of work,” Mike Rinder says when we tell him what Burkhart has said about Kerry Ibert. “She’s one of those people who will, in order to protect her own position, do anything to others around her so that the blame can be shifted. Which is quite a good trait to have in order to survive in the world of David Miscavige.” Rinder says he isn’t surprised that Ibert is the one wielding the authority and not Danilovich, who he says was less effective.

Burkhart says Ibert has become so powerful because she’s been able to weather the Basics push better than anyone else. “It will take you a hundred hours of work just to make one sale. I added it up once,” he says. “It’s so non-viable. So how do you get up in front of people and keep them excited and make this activity worth doing? And somehow, Kerry puts in just enough humor and charisma to do it, and she hasn’t gone sour,” he says. “If she ever got busted, the place would fall apart. Nobody at Int Base is managing anything. There really isn’t any management going on there at all. All the management of Scientology is happening at HGB under Kerry Ibert.”

And how were things going when you left in August 2013? we asked.

“They know the Ideal Orgs aren’t working,” Burkhart says. Although David Miscavige gets up on stage at Scientology’s big annual events several times a year and claims that the organization is expanding at greater rates than ever, real information on how the new churches are doing comes into the HGB every day.

On the eighth floor of the building, there’s an area known as the Control Information Center, or CIC. “Occasionally, the entire HGB would be ordered to go there to read the reports that are posted on the walls. Per policy, you’re supposed to go in there every day and look at them, but it was too depressing. So every once in a while they’d call us in there.”

And on one shelf, Burkhart says, there are special booklets stacked up that are put together weekly by all the new Ideal Orgs. Started in 2002 or 2003, Miscavige’s push to make every org “Ideal” has pressured local church members to raise huge funds to pay for historic buildings and then millions more to have them renovated. Miscavige claims that Ideal Orgs bring in a rush of new business, and more than 40 have opened up around the world.


[The HGB: On this building’s eighth floor, Scientology’s secrets are compiled.]

“The people at each Ideal Org put together a special booklet that has information about what happened that week. There are even photographs of new people on courses, and lots of statistics,” Burkhart says. And these were not made-up numbers for public consumption at the big events. These were the actual hard data collected at each facility.

Sitting there on the shelf in the CIC, weekly booklets from every Ideal Org in the world tell the real story of what’s going on, Burkhart says. “It was a totally clear picture that nothing was going on there. In fact, most of them are worse off than they were before they spent all the money renovating. All of the people in management know that the Ideal Orgs are empty. It’s the public Scientologists who don’t know it.”

So what does it all mean, we asked Burkhart. How many Scientologists are left?

We reviewed with him the numbers we’ve collected up to this point. Marty Rathbun, who had access to enrollment documents, told us that Scientology’s greatest extent occurred around the year 1990, with about 100,000 worldwide active members. (Scientology has never had the “millions” it has claimed to have since the 1960s. In a 1999 deposition, Church of Scientology International president Heber Jentzsch admitted that when a claim of 6 or 8 million was made, it was based on the total number of people who had ever bought even a single book or taken a class since L. Ron Hubbard first published Dianetics in 1950, and even then it was no doubt a wild exaggeration.)

Another former high ranking official, Jefferson Hawkins, who as Scientology’s top marketer also had access to enrollment documents, estimated in 2009 that Scientology had shrunk to about 40,000 worldwide membership. (We place less stock in the American Religious Identification Survey done in 2008, which found 25,000 Scientologists in the US, because it was not designed to measure such small organizations and its margin of error is too large to be useful.)

Recently, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder, basing his calculations on numbers of “Super Power” graduates published in Scientology mailers, came up with an estimate of only 20,000 active current church members.

We asked Burkhart, based on the documents he had access to when he left the Sea Org in the summer of 2013, how many active members did he believe there were at that time?

“Well, I have a piece of evidence I don’t think you’d get anywhere else,” he told us. We told him we were listening very carefully.

“The Basics. Every person was supposed to go through that program, and buy those sets of books, right? Those sales numbers were gone over at every muster. And there was massive work to get information to the public members, to try and contact people to sell them those books,” he says.

“When they started selling The Basics, in 2006 or 2007, management put together a database of 180,000 names. This was the ‘contactable’ list. These were people who had any kind of history with Scientology and that they had some information for. An address, a phone number. And they started working that list, with people making calls for hours every day,” he says.

“We’re talking 100,000 man-hours a week across the entire organization, from 2006 to 2013 — seven years of calling and calling and calling.”

And, the result?

“Tony, my memory is that after all that, only 8,000 Scientologists had purchased sets of the Basics after all those years.”

Sea Org members can’t afford to buy sets, but they can check them out of a library. Even so, Burkhart says the total of members of any type who had actually completed the Basics course itself was only 5,000.

And as for overall membership? Burkhart estimates that four or five thousand Scientologists are on staff, with about 2,500 of that in the Sea Org. Including non-staff “publics,” he would estimate Scientology’s worldwide total active membership between 10 and 20 thousand.

As Nancy Cartwright might say, Ay carumba.




By the time 2013 began, Burkhart says he had “about 60 percent” decided to leave the Sea Org.

Depressed by what he was seeing in the management reports, Burkhart says he decided to make a new assessment of Scientology.

“I had embarked on my own to read all of the L. Ron Hubbard writings that I’d read before. To reevaluate it. I was studying stuff in a totally new light, not automatically accepting things. And I wasn’t supposed to, but I had a phone with Internet access. I wasn’t looking at anti-Scientology stuff, but I would compare Hubbard to other things. Over the next six months, I decided this was a dead end. The church was not going anywhere. Hubbard had certainly not discovered a ‘Bridge’ or the total answer. This thing is so over-promoted,” he concluded.

And then, he got a jury summons.

“It was perfect timing. I didn’t blow [Scientology lingo for “escaping”], I routed out. I was routing out because I didn’t think all the work had been done to bring all the answers. I figured I’d go out and try to find those answers on my own.”

We asked him if, after all the work he had done in such a specialized role, someone at a high level hadn’t tried to talk him out of it.

“One woman came down from Int to make an effort keep me around. ‘You haven’t done the OT levels yet, Paul. They’re really incredible,’ she said. But somehow I knew they were way more bullshit than anything I’d already read,” he says with a laugh.

Routing out had its own hassles, he found out, as he got stuck in line behind about six other people who were also trying to leave. But after going away on a scheduled camping trip and then coming back for some interrogations, he managed to get through the process. He was even given a severance check of $1,200. (Like other Sea Org workers, throughout his career he’d taken home only 40 or 50 dollars a week, when he was paid at all.) He was also hit with a small “freeloader debt” — $2,300 — but he didn’t pay any of it.

Burkhart acknowledges that he was more fortunate than most other people who leave the Sea Org after 28 years. None of his family members had ever joined Scientology, so he didn’t have to worry about “disconnection.”

“I must have had one of the easiest departures of anyone. I just called my mom — my father had passed away several years earlier — and she was so thrilled,” he says. He returned to the Seattle area and for the next seven months, he stayed with his younger sister, Ann. An older sister was nearby as well.

“That time to just stay at my sister’s house, that was so helpful. Whenever you’re part of a group and its culture, it’s hard to get out of that, and I really just wanted to be on my own for a while,” Burkhart says.

He reached out to Mike Rinder, who put him in touch with another former church member who lived in Seattle, Tony DePhillips. And then, Burkhart began renovating houses.

“I started a remodeling business. It spread through word of mouth, I didn’t do any advertising. I did that for a couple of years, and got my own place, a car, and tools,” he says. Then, through a Craigslist ad, he applied for a space planning job, and now he’s back to doing what he did in the Sea Org, drawing the interiors of buildings.

He’s also reunited with other people he knew in the Sea Org, like his friend Camilla Andersson, someone we’ve written about before.

“We have long conversations about Scientology. It was part of my process of unpeeling the onion,” Camilla tells us. “Paul tremendously helped me with that by just being someone I could speak to without judgment.”

We asked Burkhart if he was concerned about blowback from the notoriously litigious Church of Scientology after these stories ran, but he didn’t sound concerned. He didn’t think Scientology wanted to mess with him.

“I think they tried to stay on my good side because I know so much about COB’s private spaces and the Hole,” he says.

When he had left, and with a Scientology attorney watching, Burkhart signed non-disclosure agreements promising not to, for example, talk to a reporter about his time in the Sea org.

“I talked to Mike Rinder. I asked him, do we have to worry about these agreements? No, they aren’t going to sue anybody, he said.”

What, we asked him, would David Miscavige be unhappy to see you tell us about his personal spaces?

Burkhart thought about it. “When we designed his berthing, we had a daybed put in Shelly’s dressing room. We were told the reason was that if one of them had a cold, they could sleep separately. But you couldn’t help noticing that it was Shelly who was going to have to sleep in her dressing room, not COB.”

That doesn’t sound very ecclesiastical.

PS: We meant to add that we sent a message to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw, asking for a church response to Paul Burkhart’s estimations of Basics sales and membership numbers. We’ll let you know if she gets back to us.


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  • sashiebgood

    this is an amazing story and a fascinating look at an organization imploding under the hands of a tyrannical and mercurial person…
    2 things struck me in particular : the fact that with the purchase and renovation of the KCET studios, DM is basically planning to “start over” because he’s burned all his bridges at Gold Base, and what exactly is he planning to do with all the people there? he wishes he could “vaporize” them. if that’s not a huge indicator of his sociopathy, nothing is. he has no regard for any of the lives he’s made miserable, the people he treats like garbage and wishes he could discard. they have endured a life of hell – and the sad thing is that they actually do have a measure of power! he needs their signatures on documents to move the money around!
    the other thing is Shelly. sleeping in her closet. and I’m quite sure it was not only when one or the other was sick, i’m confident he was porking Lou before he banished his wife. again, the sick manipulation is so clear. he married her because she was one of LRH’s messengers. he sapped whatever power she had, sucked her dry and threw away the husk. the dichotomy of her being the peacemaker after his rampages, being a party to his cruelty and yet seemingly worshipping him at the same time is so strange. she may have been fucked up, but she didn’t, and doesn’t deserve to be in the hole she’s on. , she’s been vaporized.

    I am glad this cult is falling apart, and I’m glad that the community exists to help the victims who cannot get out until the bitter end. I am disgusted that I don’t believe that DM will get the punishments that he deserves, but I’m not much of an optimist.

    • Frodis73

      I too worry that he will totally skate on everything.

      • Juicer77

        Even if he is never criminally prosecuted, he can never really be free. Sweep away all the money, people who would love to see him destroyed, and other complications. What you end up with is a paranoid, angry, bitter man who can never escape his own demons. They’ll always be there. Waiting in his head.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Are we talking about the same person that Ronbot Tom Cruise called ‘the most compassionate leader of leaders’ ?
          I am not so sure that he would want to escape is own demons. but rather be paraded in his leader_of_Popes_mobile, and honored by such demonic cohorts as the ‘only one’ who was able to rise above the Great Beast wantabe HISSELF*
          * (thanks to ‘afaceinthecrowd’ , for some wonderful and very elucidating writing on his up close and personal experience with the ‘wantabe’ on ESMB for the ‘HISSELF’ coining.)

  • Tracye Danilovich is I am pretty sure related to John Danilovich, Commanding Officer of AOSH UK and his sister Jeanie Danilovich/Franks/Bogvad/Sonenfield, ED of Cincinnati Org. So there is that.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And Jeannie was married to Bill Franks. So there’s that too. 🙂 How did we not notice the small world we lived in? Oh yeah, no sleep, no peace, no money, no time, no love, no how.

      • I just hope I will meet Ivanka Danilovich again.
        I worked with her for 8 years and only met real her a few times, for a few minutes.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Haha… just trolling through the ‘Best’ comments and came across this nugget shared by ‘flying baby’ of what she was told over the phone by a $cientologist:

    “The Internet is the reactive mind of planet Earth.”

    The Matrix!

  • Intergalactic Walrus


    PHOTO CAPTION – “I promise to make things go right and to persist until they do. 05 Feb, 2016”

    • salin

      Your futures are ahead of you. You have so much life ahead of you. May something jar you enough, early on, that little more time is spent devoted to Co$, so that you may reclaim a future that is yours.

    • … hope they read the small print

      recent shoop I did is weirdly appropriate again

  • Re: Annie Tidman/Broeker, ironic and sad.
    At least she didn’t die in an RV. Poor OTs.
    Pat, if you are reading this…

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Dear gods, Annie’s story breaks my poor heart. And they used JT’s plane to track her down, right? Nice going, Johnny. Live with that one.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Wow, what a post today! Thanks, Paul, for sharing your story. And thanks, TO, for telling it so well.

    I had to let this one wash over me a bit. I had many competing thoughts as I was reading it, and throughout the day. What kept sticking with me was this insight I feel like we get here into Miscavige. I mean, let’s not mince words: he’s a failure. Hubbard was an infected boil on the ass of humanity, but he knew how to be a cult figure. DM can’t even figure that out. I mean, c’mon: this cult should be able to run itself, with the intricate way Hubbard set it up. It should be on fucking autopilot. But DM is so shit–even at running a cult–that he can’t leave well enough alone. He screws it up at every turn, at every critical decision point. Sure, he was able to effectively stage a coup to gain power. But that’s just pure thuggery. The delicate day-to-day? He can’t do it. It’s hilarious and pathetic and I love it.

    I used this analogy recently in a side convo, but I think it’s appropriate here, too: running a cult is like threading a needle. And you don’t swing a cudgel to do that. DM ain’t nothing but a cudgel. He doesn’t know any other way. Of course he wishes he could just get rid of all those execs he banished to The Hole. That’s his way. I don’t read that as necessarily sadistic–more like the kid who can’t figure out the subtle rules of etiquette and just wants to flip the game board when he’s not winning and take his toys and go home. He’s a mess. He’s a child. And he’s about to run this ship aground. It’s taking longer than I’d like, but it’s inevitable.

    David…you stupid, unfortunate man. You can’t even run a cult. Think about it, dude. How sad it THAT?! You could’ve coasted and yet, look what you’ve done. Flunk! for being a dumb ass.

    • salin

      Scroll down to see J Swift’s analysis per man hours required to sell a single set of basics. That’s when I was struck with the core sense of your post: he has not just bad business sense, but abysmally awful.

      And while there is both glee (there is NO WAY this can survive these numbers – though it will take far longer than it should), there is deep sadness. For each day that this continues the psychological and physical abuse continues. New young people are getting sucked into the abusive sieve (two posts down Intergalactic Walrus captures the hopeful faces of three young people who are presumably signing sea org contracts – full of hope and idealistic/dedication. There are families, friends and loved ones with some in and some out – caught up in disconnection.

      Such mixed emotions. Encouraged by the information Tony distills in his reporting of Paul’s story and what he divulges. Weighted down by the realities that ‘executives’ are still ‘functioning’ in the most dysfunctional circumstances in the Hole, yet for official purposes are still expected to give signatures to keep different forms “legit”. Sickening. The heart weeps.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Indeed, Salin. DM may be a blunt instrument, but he still does damage. Every single day. Today’s post was encouraging, but the end can’t come soon enough.

    • Hence some Indies, Freezoners and critics think it’s CIA conspiracy.

      • Ella Raitch

        Of course they do

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        As in, DM is so bad he must be a plant? That’s hilarious, sad, frightening, and crazy all at the same time.

  • cdubb

    Every entity had to buy a set. Orgs, missions, etc. That could account for hundreds of sets of basics.

  • salin

    One more plug to remind folks to recommend today’s TO reporting. A two-day story that gives so much more (recent) clarity to the current state of affairs of Co$. References to details in these two reports will be, I predict, cited long into the future by many sources. Can we get the recommends over 200? Only 16 more votes. Lurkers – it just takes a minute, it doesn’t record your name in the votes – totally anonymous. It just records the equivalent of ‘upvotes’ for a single post – but instead for the day’s TO installment of the Bunker – and for the comments section that has responded to Tony’s daily reporting.

    Just above the dialogue box on the left is a count of comments. Just below that is a heart and ‘Recommend’ click it, the heart “beats” and the rec. number (like an upvote) goes up.

    For fun – at this moment the live webcam at Tromso Norway (for aurora’s) shows some great activity behind some clouds. It’s live – so I don’t how long they will show – but for now – pretty cool. Trying to capture them before the cam goes offline sometime in March until September (due to the length of day light in the arctic circle for that part of the year.):

    And here is an aurora shot from Tromso Norway earlier this evening:

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    The Original Space Man.
    It’s almost over, Quentin.

  • daisy


    • Frodis73

      I wish Dan Harris and ABC would go after sci as hard as they have on Jeffs. Though we did see improvement with the Leah story…TO has said ABC has cancelled a few stories right before they were set air because of legal threats in the past.

      • ReallyMGM

        “Under the Banner Of Heaven” by Jon Krakauer is one of my favorite books. It sent me down the rabbit hole reading about the FDLS. One of the differences in the books from the defectors of FLDS and Scientology, is most of the FLDS books have been by women. (Although young men are treated horrifically, too.)

        The problem with reading any book about the families in Hildale, Utah/Colorado City, Arizona is all the families have one of five surnames, the male names are common ones, and there are Jrs, IIIs, and IVs.

        • Frodis73

          That is on my want to read list…is that the one they made the doc from? I think it just aired (or maybe it’s coming soon) on Showtime recently.
          It would be interesting to hear from some of the men…I wonder how many men have left actually. I only seem to hear about the young ones now that I think about it. They are treated like kings, unless they piss off Jeff. I know there is a lot of anger, resentment and competition among the males. I will have to look into it more one of these days. I haven’t been paying them all that much attention the past few years.

          • ReallyMGM

            Young men are thrown out. They are used as workers for family construction companies but since they are competition (!) for wives, they have to leave at 16-18. No education, not much in the way of job skills. Jeff’s has decreed from prison only 15 men can sire the community’s children, so don’t imagine any of the others are sticking around. From the books I have read, the competition among the wives and children is incredible too.

            I have read that there have been a few bright spots. With some of the ex-communications (disconnections?) from the group, some people have been putting their kids back in the public school there. They had built a huge school there before, but no students because they all homeschooled (right!). While many of the people who have been thrown out still practice polygamy, they are no longer under Jeff’s rule. Many have refused his orders to split up and have stuck together.

            What pisses me off the most was their practice of “bleeding the beast,” or getting as much money from the federal government as possible. Only the 1st wive/ and children had to be provided for by their father, the rest were paid for entirely by tax dollars. All of the massive security in the two tiny cities was provided by Homeland Security funds…a camera on every street corner, trucks following any stranger that drove through town. I’d love to know exactly how much federal aid does flow into that community to fund the compound’s sanctioned criminality.

            I think Flora Jessup is the woman who wrote a book about her escape and her “Underground Railroad” for kids escaping the cult. It’s a great book, too. Her family is one of the main founders of the community.

            • Frodis73

              I do remember reading about taking everything they could from the govt. It’s so crazy!! Thanks for the added info, I need to head down that rabbit hole again.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “Forty Thousand Headmen”
    Stevie Winwood should have revised his numbers downwards.
    This would be a very different song if he had had a little input
    from the Bunker 🙂
    Less than 20,000 headmen, TY Tony & Paul.

    TICK TOCK, Tinpot Tosser
    We’re just hanging, watching you go over Faeces Falls

  • It’s a cold night. It sounds about -25C outside.

    • salin

      Stay warm RMycroft. Just was out with my now full grown golden puppy (the little guy in my avi), and had to try to work some magic to get him to come back inside. Not quite as cold here, but knew I needed to limit his, and my, time outside. We are now warming up.

      • daisy

        My frozen dog story. The humans in our household do not venture out for any reason. Fat beagle however insists that it is her duty to warn the neighbours about encroaching squirrels, birds , and wind chimes . The neighbors of course appreciate this service by giving her the thumbs up using their middle fingers. It warms my heart. Even though she was only out for the 2 minutes the weather warning suggests, she still managed to get herself wrapped around a bush. I have to kill yet another in the spring. I have already chain sawed 3 others. When I went to untangle her difficult in temperate weather was impossible with my frozen fingers. I tried to unhook her and deal with the tangle later . The clasp was frozen shut. Just as I was despairing her survival , it finally kicked in my university educated brain that I could take off her collar. She usually runs if I do that but it was too cold even for her. She was whining within the hour to go back out.

        • Frodis73

          Lol about the ‘thumbs up’ gesture. I had a dog that was very into the wind chimes too…she would bark as if a burglar was hanging around. Oh, dogs…life would totally suck w/out them.

        • salin

          Oh what we tolerate for the love and company of our strong-personality canine companions. Glad you found a solution in the short time frame that was safe. But knowingly smiled when ‘fat beagle’ signaled an hour later “hey – let’s do that again!”

          Stay warm and safe, daisy.

          I often think of you and your Mom. Hope all is well.

          • daisy

            I used to live in Wpg. -25 not really that cold in comparison. I have learned survival tips from my years there. Mom is warm and cozy under her 4 heavy blankets. Thank you for the warm thoughts and words. I love both the dogs in the avi. The big one is a bruiser who looks like she is advising the little one. I am glad you are remembering your mom without the pain sometimes. As you know It will happen more frequently with time

    • daisy

      We live in the same temperature zone.

    • Vaquera

      In my hamlet as I type….f5
      Until tonight, I’ve never been anywhere this cold in my life.

      • salin

        Ugh. Especially if you have never experienced this before. No hurried exits outside of the house. Take the few extra minutes to completely bundle up – and really long scarfs are great to wrap around enough to cover much of the face. Not in the Anonymous protesting Co$ way, but in the cover skin up if you are going to be outside for more than a couple of minutes.

        Hugs to you, Vaquera. Be warm and safe. And when the thaw comes – you will find an appreciation of Spring shifts that are awesome.

        • Vaquera

          Made a major grocery run yesterday in anticipation of the crazy temps. All set with the fixin’s for 4 different soups and stews. Not leaving the house until it’s at least +15.
          Thanks for the tips. So wild.

          • salin

            When prepped – it’s not so bad. And the payoff – the joy of each new season (esp spring and fall) will help counter balance the having to deal with extreme winter.

      • skiesareblue

        We had tickets to see dance tonight. When we got to the theatre, the underground parking was full, due to Winterlude, and another programme showing here. Gah!!!…we had to drive around looking for a spot on the street. -25 C with wind — lucky to find parking three city blocks away. But still were frozen by the time we got there! I’m supposed to be used to this weather by now, so I can’t imagine what you must be feeling….home now eating St. Hubert take out.

        (BTW, Dance was Kidd Pivot — amazing, so glad it was worth the cold)

        Stay warm! Dress in layers, it really helps. Heat a cotton bag of buckwheat wrapped in flannel,
        and place it in the bed by your feet….lovely!

        • Vaquera

          You’re crazy going out in those temps! Glad it was worth it.
          No need for buckwheat…have the electric blanket turned up to 11.

          • EmmaDaoust


        • salin

          Never hard of this before. Interesting.

          • skiesareblue

            The dance, or the buckwheat bag?

            • salin

              The buckwheat bag.

            • skiesareblue

              Sewing directions (f5) I’ve made several of these – all my family have them.

              They stay warm most of the night.

            • daisy

              This is so cool. My Dad used to warm rocks in the fireplace . He was a walking fire hazard. It is a wonder we survived the winter.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              Do they turn into puffed wheat if over warmed?

        • Frodis73

          That show looks like it was definitely worth heading out in the cold for. Very interesting.

          • skiesareblue

            I kept finding so many parallels to Scientology (my obsession?) in the dialogue, and some from the programme notes: “Let’s go over it again….Let’s go over it again. Disconnection…. Can’t get out of the room. He’s learned not to respond…. He has a systematic approach which he calls The Terms. He knows from experience doing the show only leads to more show, which leads to more show and “There’s nothing more down there to find….. It’s hopeless, people are trapped…. Desperate and disoriented. He can’t just get up and go. The system is in freefall… etc.

            Sounds depressing, but the show was incredibly entertaining, in spite of the theme…Lots of snappy tap dancing, singing, amazing sound. 3 standing ovations for this troup from Toronto. I won’t miss them if they return!

            • Frodis73

              I am very intrigued. I looked to see if they were coming to Ohio, but no luck.

      • InterestedObserver12

        From Ottawa, Canada (the capital, 60 miles north of New York State): as of 12:00 a.m. 2/14/16:
        Temp: -30C (-22F)
        Wnd: between 20 and 40K (14 and 28 mph)
        Feels like -40 (at -40 F and C are =)
        Sleep tight.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          But no sleeping under the trees branches cause falling ice is a lot harder than snowflakes.. 😉

    • ReallyMGM

      I won’t complain about the 20 degree weather in my neck of the woods after reading that! Of course, no one here is prepared for it, homes aren’t built for it and pipes burst (That’s good for my business though…the circle of economic life)

  • daisy

    FLDS cult – apparently leaders rape young girls during sick rituals .Girls age 14

    • Jimmy3

      Nazi party – apparently leaders are really bad people

      • daisy

        Daisy*s brain frozen and completely astounded by the abuse people inflict on one another. I have heard Hubbard was a pedo. but I don’t think DM has any sexual proclivities toward children.

        • Jimmy3

          I’m really confused right now.

          • Ella Raitch

            Situation normal then?

            • Jimmy3

              I’m sorry I hit you with the broom last time, alien, that was poor judgement.
              But right now I am bound to do it again.

            • Ella Raitch

              You’re forgiven hedgehog

        • Frodis73

          I wanted to smack those dorks on city council that just sat there in silence…how frustrating. I hope those people that are getting their kids back are also getting some specialized counseling…those kids need it. It was nice to see that they were coming around at the end of the story though.I missed the first half-thanks for the alert that it was on.

        • mon elle

          I prefer to think of David as non-sexual (largely because there isn’t enough brain bleach in the multiverse to rinse away the effects of thinking him in the throws of coitus with anyone but himself thinking about himself).

          • Frodis73

            I have a hunch DM is weird about sex. He seems so OCD like and I bet he’s a germaphobe to boot and is afraid to get “messy”. I think if he was into something weird we would have heard about it by now.

  • nottrue
    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Just wait until the Squirrel Busters documentary comes out. Just wait… wait… wait…… just w…

  • Supper Powers

    It’s Istanbul, not Contantinople.


  • EmmaDaoust

    Hey COB, you gotta Pay the Piper

    • skiesareblue

      Hey Emma D!!!! You staying warm?

      • EmmaDaoust

        -30C with the wind chill here. My forehead froze today. But still not cold enough for the nostrils to stick together, so can’t be that bad.

        • Ben Franklin

          -30C with windchill = -40C

          • EmmaDaoust

            I guess I meant -30C including the wind chill?

            • skiesareblue

              Windchill was -38C today….! This winter has been very weird. Last week
              the canal was closed to skaters because of rain.

            • jazzlover

              Is that what you guys mean when you say “pond hockey”? 😉

            • skiesareblue

              Ha! Not quite 🙂

            • jazzlover

              He he 🙂

      • jazzlover

        Pfffft. You Canadians and all your talk of sub-arctic temperatures. And the whole Celsius thing! 🙂

        • EmmaDaoust

          -30C = -22F What kind of math they teaching you youngsters down there anyway?

          • jazzlover

            It’s called “Math Without Metrics”, or “American Math” 🙂

            • EmmaDaoust

              Someday the Greatest Power on Earth will catch up with the rest of the world. Maybe.

            • jazzlover

              Initially thought you were talking about Barnum & Bailey 😉

              We’ve fallen drastically in math and science. It’s embarrassing at this point. Hopefully, we’ll figure it out.

    • jazzlover

      I was expecting Frank Sinatra 🙂

      • EmmaDaoust

        Fooled ya!

        • jazzlover

          Actually did me a favor. LOL. I still have nightmares from all the Frank I heard as a young kid 😉

  • When the power duo is quiet, it’s dead quiet.

  • Observer
    • Frodis73

      Omg is right. That guy is so pathetic. I have no words for this stupidity…FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
      eta-there is a 13 minute video too. He is soooo serious in it…I couldn’t watch more than 3 mins.

    • Jimmy3

      Wasn’t he in South Carolina for the debate…?

      • Jimmy3

        I forgot that Scientologists have ceremonies regardless of whether people show up or not.

        • daisy


    • daisy

      I do so enjoy the Mappins and their family pet Ted.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Of course. Crazy salutes crazy.

    • salin

      lololol! What a meaningless pr release. Folks who own a hotel, in a different country than where the recipient is running for president, grant knighthood – for the hotel.

      Ooh. Nevada voter (next primary after South Carolina, where this pronouncement would come in time – if announced anywhere – might come into play):

      Wow Donald Trump is now “Sir Donald Trump”, when he visits a single hotel somewhere in England. So, that’s sorta like he earned enough frequent flyer miles that a participating hotel will give him a discount if he goes there?

      Like that sways a single vote, anywhere.

      Great way to show your delusional sense of importance, Mr. Mappin.

      • Frodis73

        Trump would walk in the door of his dumb hotel and walk right back out. Can you imagine if they invite him and he actually shows up? I hate Trump but he would be horrified and then laugh his ass off at this idiots hotel.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Or he might buy it and turn it into a Trump hotel!

        • salin

          Agreed. While I can’t imagine any scenario in which he would agree to go to this hotel in the first place, i agree that if he did he wouldn’t stay more than 1-2 minutes, given the comparison of his real-estate holdings and extravagant hotels, compared to the descriptions of the Camelot Castle Hotel.

          Then the fun part of the mind-walk (imagining the scenario), is how Mappin responds to such a strong rejection. I don’t know enough about him to even guess what his response to such a scenario might be.

    • Jo

      I haven’t been following the news, politics or anything really, but I did finally get my hands on fallout 4, level 28. Yes, I’m way behind. Donald Trump, that strange haired dude from the crap version of the apprentice, your all screwed, my condolences.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh. My. God. I am now speechless. And that is rare.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      That’s just embarrassing. It would be like someone getting a PhD from a diploma mill. But what kind of idiot would do that?

    • Frodis73

      I had to go back and watch the video they did about this. Around the 9 min mark they say Trump is “strong” on drugs…because he’s a teetotaler and his kids have never touched a drug either (yeah, right, I am not buying that for a minute). WTF has Trump ever done about drug addiction? If I had to guess Trump’s policy would just be more of the same old shit that hasn’t worked for decades. These people are so delusional I wonder how they function in the world. They also say he is a man of “the people”. Lol. Just when I think the Mappin’s can’t get any crazier, they totally top themselves.

      • Observer

        I love the look on his face here (on his FB).


        • daisy

          Is it a requirement for all scientologists to wear weird clothes. The bows are darling and match his spiffy collar and cuffs detail. He looks like a matre de from a bad restaurant .

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            For godsakes please no – don’t lop this weirdo in with the rest of .. well, anything. This guy is So weird, he’s a shrine until hisself.

          • Enturbulated Masterbator

            Madame, I’ll have you know he is First Chair at JC Penny hair salon!

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          Mouth breather! Does he walk on his knees and knuckles, too?

          • Ella Raitch

            Mouth breather is my go-to insult too!

      • Jimmy3

        Drugs are losers. They will never win. They will never win while I am the in the Trump House, let me tell you. My wall will keep all the drugs away from Americans, and keep them in wherever there are not hard-working, great white Americans… like in Mexico, and China and other places of reprehensible colored people.

      • Jo

        They talk about this planet, what other planet is up for grabs? Finding the uniforms hilarious, like a missing orientation vid from Lost.

      • ReallyMGM

        The world is laughing at us.

    • Ella Raitch

      Has Mappin deliberately modelled himself on Arnold Rimmer? What a smeghead.

    • Paul V. Tupointeau

      Couldn’t watch the whole thing.
      “Make him stop staring at meeee!!!”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And I am awarding Obs as the Queen of Shoops in the Castle of Bunker.

      (you’re welcome)

      • aquaclara

        From a masterful shoooper herself….so sweet.

        Psst. It’s technically morning. You know that, right?! 😉

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m currently on my natural born schedule – just got out of session. It’s kind of weird to be up this late again!

          • aquaclara

            In session. It finally means what it’s supposed to mean. Great job, THDNE.

    • Trump awarded Scientology Knighthood…. god, I hope Bill Maher, Trevor Simmons etc pick up on this, lol

    • …. well, I tweeted a few most likely to use the story


    • Draco

      I am sure the Donald is suitably honored!
      OMG. This guy is such an idiot.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Remember this new OT8?

      PHOTO CAPTION – “We had a great time not one empty seat in the dome11,000 people ! and 5,000 outside who couldn’t get in , Trump rally”

      She posted getting her OT7 cert at Thanksgiving:

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    For all Bunkeroos Not residing in Florida – some tune to keep ‘ya warm

    • aquaclara

      If that weren’t such a terrific song, I’d think you were rubbing it in!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        sending you an email Now

        • aquaclara

          Ok! Since we’re all awake!

        • aquaclara

          You definitely use your can’t sleep time very well! Note back to you….

    • seriouslyWTF

      I am not in Florida and I have had the air conditioner on all day. Here is our forecast. Refresh.

      • Draco

        We are expecting 32C today, which is about 90F

      • Juicer77

        I’ll box up some cold air and ship it to you ASAP! (I hate the heat. Ugh.)

        • seriouslyWTF

          Thanks, but I like wearing sandals and short sleeves. I also like being able to walk outside, get in my car and drive without having to dig myself out. Plus, it is a dry heat. Nothing like Houston or Dallas. I would rather be here when it is 105 than Toronto when it is 80.
          I was out on the golf course with people from all over the US and they asked me what the temp was. I said probably 104, and they said they though it was 80. Turns out it was 109 that day.

          • Juicer77

            I love the snow and cold, but do enjoy the dry heat. We’ve visited Albuquerque, NM and it’s glorious for hiking if you remember to bring sunblock and stay hydrated. 🙂

    • Robert Eckert

      I can’t even think of that song without hearing Will Ferrell in Elf.

  • Re scientology’s KCET purchase:

    ““There were endless space plans about what to do with it. Part of the purchase was that they got to keep lots of broadcast equipment that was already there. And it has two big sound stages. The space plans I was doing, they were ridiculous. You had plans for 30 people doing editing, and then six more studios for radio shows. There would be hundreds of people with all kinds of equipment. But, what are they going to do with all this? You can broadcast your own radio show, I guess, but they’re never going to do what they are planning. It was just a pipe dream,” he says.”

    …. I wonder if Nancy Cartwright’s new production company ‘Spotted Cow’ will set up shop there

    I posted a comment there yesterday awaiting review…. look at what I wrote versus how the edited it … also the pic I made for my next blog

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      It seems that an awful lot of so-called “successful” clams have connections to dodgy businesses. Remember that fiance of hers who committed suicide?

      • jumped off a bridge or something {too knackered to google}…. I reckon Wiseman & Burke would be a treasure trove of clam corruption if it ever was properly investigated

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Yeah, I think he jumped off a bridge. Most of the events on the Freewinds now, seem to be the Jim Mathers type of “We’ll make you a millionaire” scams aimed at foreign clams. Dodgy already, but coupled with the CO$’s ethics and love of getting money at all costs… Yikes!

  • Xique

    The photo alone of Paul and Camilla and Mt Rainier says it all. It’s a miracle.

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Definitely. And there’s more enlightening and spiritual life in those mountains than all the Ideal Orgs worldwide put together. Paul, kudos to you! Now go enjoy life.

  • Deb

    How many living ex-scientologists are there?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      You call that living?

      • Cece

        Yes, Doug. An X can live just as happily as he works for. Do you think all ex-$ can’t really live?

        • Sunny Sands

          Maybe he was referring to those still in who are confused and not in touch.

        • Judith Sylvester

          Not sure who was being asked what question here, but your point is a good one Cece; one can be as happy as one chooses to work for. Thank you.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Cece, it was a joke based on the stats that the CoS keeps that enlists millions as their mythical members. Yes, being an ex is a far better way to live; being a stat in the CF, on the other hand…

    • Cece

      I’d say 100,000 have come and left. Maybe 200,000 if you count all the early Dianetics living room groups.
      As for living? I spent most my 63 years in that cult and am not sure the attrition rate is really more then usual but I must say they don’t go in peace. My friends that are stuck in die that way. Confused and not in touch with the real world. I have to work very hard every day to get my feet back on the ground so I have some inkling what they go thru when they give up. Sad.

  • OT but this headline pleases me:

    Kanye West reveals he is $53 million in debt…

    Read more:

    what’s interesting and confirm’s TMZ is part owned by the Kardashians is that they don’t mention this story there


    • TheMirrorThetan

      Harvey will take cash for positive stories. They pay for good press. They always have.
      And after seeing his shitty fashions and crap recent songs, no wonder Kanye is deeply in debt.
      He should spend less time on twitter backing up the Crosby piece of shit and more with his accountant.

      • from what I understand the Kardashians own enough of TMZ to influence the content…. if you have a look at it’s geared to all the things they have a monetary interest in… rappers and their scuzzy girlfriend feuds, NBA, Caitlyn Jenner…. it’s literally their own PR site

        • Judith Sylvester

          How do you know how much of TMZ the Kardashians own?

    • Ella Raitch

      Wot a dick

      • Juicer77

        He has zero appeal for me. So full of himself.

    • scottmercer

      Hey, a-holes, you could have not called Caitlyn Jenner his father-in-law. If you didn’t want to accept her gender, you could have just said “in-law.”

  • daytoncapri

    Ay carumba, Tony. Nice little shout out to Nancy.

  • Dave Reams

    The disintigration of Scientology could become faster and more explosive as the bonds which hold people together in the Orgs – other people – vanish.

    • Juicer77

      You’re probably right. As loved ones leave or go silent, and there are less and less “faithful” to write KR’s, the whole system breaks down. As Tony has reported many times, it’s a snitch culture. When the snitch network breaks down the whole thing collapses. What will be left is the few deeply entrenched (and wealthy) people as long as DM keeps toadying to them.

  • In a 1999 deposition, Church of Scientology International president Heber Jentzsch admitted that when a claim of 6 or 8 million was made, it was based on the total number of people who had ever bought even a single book or taken a class since L. Ron Hubbard first published Dianetics in 1950, and even then it was no doubt a wild exaggeration.)

    I believe that Robert Vaughn Young said that was just another level of shore story and it was based on nothing.

    • Warrior

      You’re right. RVY said the membership number was made up. The cult’s claims of 6 or 8 or 10 million members have always been lies. In 1975 Scientology was usually claiming 6 million members to the press. Even as a Sea Org member I knew this to be a bald-faced lie. Here’s one document from 41 years ago that shows just how I knew — Sea Org Executive Directive 68 US of 5 January 1975. It shows that the Auditor (magazine) was sent out to all 216,701 CF (Central Files) public. This Auditor was mailed to every known person on their address list. The Auditor is alternately sent out to the entire list one month, and then the following issue is mailed to the T&P (trained and processed) list. This is according to long-standing Hubbard policy. Besides me, there are former Sea Org executives (Cece, Fred, and THDNE) on this blog who know what I am saying is true.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Warrior, you have great info!

  • IHC

    As this cult gets smaller and smaller – humanity has a chance! Miscavige at some point will run out of people because replacement won’t happen as fast he wishes simply because the cult is being exposed time after time. Only the moronic robots would enter and remain.

  • Rob Smith

    With so few members, it’s a good thing CSI covers all the operating expenses of the swanky Idle Orgs. Oh, wait… never mind.

  • PDF

    Looking forward to more updates from Paul. It would be really interesting to get an insight on the demographics of the 10-20,000 – how many are new to Scientology and how many are approaching ‘shedding their body’? Might provide further insight on the timings ahead.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    according to daniele gounord french spokewoman for scientology til 2007 they were 40000 only in france and now according to mr eric roux new spokeman for scientology france they are around 4000 customers … wow

    • Adrien Marcel Drea

      what happened to daniele gounord just vanished no more in events ,special celebration ?

      • Adrien Marcel Drea

        what happened to davia desplanche and husband jean jacques desplanches you lost a lot of interesting files ,documents ,chequebooks and differents items at OBNOSE LEADER headquarters 1 place rio de janeiro building when you left … by the way we found them would you liuke to get back your six boxes of unsealed books ands files ?
        let us know … they are maybe rue vanneau in paris ?

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    they are now 12 millions worldwide.. that includes body thetans …

  • Yo!Noid

    Hi! Any tips on the LEAST scientologist states in the US and LEAST scientologist countries?
    Need to examine my options because being stalked is something I’m curious if there’s a way to avoid. That would be an awesome article for people in my shoes bc the harassment is daily. Also, I really can’t find the cold spots on a scientologist heat map so that I can try life out in those places. Scientology is starting to sink its fangs into Texas. Seriously I know I’m not the only person wondering where they ARENT! Special request for Scientology free zones articles. Thanks!

    • Bert Allen

      If you have become a serious enough target to the OSA to justify B&E Ops being run against you then they will likely track you wherever you go. Better option is beefed up serious security and a talk with the local PD station commander to initiate regular patrol car coverage of your home. Also secure your trash and your mail.