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Who are those WISE guys? A tipster helps us get some names of Scientology operatives

WiseGuys

 
On Thursday, we told you about a woman who is suing a business in Pasadena that forced her to take Scientology courses, and when she refused, she was fired.

We explained that the business, Lusida Rubber Products, had been taken over by executives active in Scientology’s “WISE” front group, the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises.

You see, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard revealed in a 1965 lecture that he had gleaned from a galactic civilization which lasted 80 trillion years (yes, he said trillionshear it for yourself here, second item) a way of setting up organizations that he called an “org board.” Hubbard ended up denuding whole forests with his writings about how organizations and businesses should be run, and his followers assume that he’s as much a genius about that as he is about the human mind and the nature of the universe itself.

So one of Scientology’s sneaky ways of spreading its influence and recruiting people is through pushing Hubbard’s “admin technology” on unsuspecting businesses through its WISE front group. WISE tends to target dentists, chiropractors, and veterinarians, but it will infiltrate any business that gives it a chance. The process is to target the company’s principal, telling him or her that they can make much more money if they just allow a WISE consultant (often coming via a name like Sterling Management, which doesn’t appear to have a connection to Scientology) to come in and handle all of the boring administrative and personnel issues that a professional like a dentist or chiropractor hates dealing with. The target is then encouraged to take expensive courses and subject employees to them as well. Eventually, the scheme gets more brazen as employees will be told to begin taking courses down at the local Scientology church itself.

This has backfired on some employers. We’ve written about an Oregon dentist who paid a large fine for forcing Scientology on one of his employees, and a Miami chiropractor was sued by the federal government for the same thing (he settled).

But these schemes are ongoing, and we’ve talked to victims who told us they didn’t even realize they were getting into bed with Scientology when they were first approached by WISE operatives. Researcher R.M. Seibert continually reminds us that WISE has gone silent about its members. Before Anonymous arrived and made things more difficult for the church, WISE occasionally would put out a guide to all of its participants. But we haven’t seen one in years.

Then, this week, one of our tipsters — RMycroft — told us he’d stumbled on a small goldmine. Deep within a WISE website, he’d found the organization boasting about its top performers. It’s not a comprehensive guide like the group used to put out, but at least it gives us some names to watch out for as they try to rope in more unsuspecting businesses. Here’s what our tipster found:

WISE 2015-2016

BOOKSALES GAME!

Dear All WISE Members,

Welcome to the ninth week of standings for the new 2015-2016 WISE Game! Remember, there is only 5 weeks left in the first Quarter. This is a Sprint Game period, hence time to get a move on!

These standings are changing every week! Performia International just took over first place in the Consulting Companies League! With affluence booksales the last few weeks they came out of nowhere to dominate this game. Sterling Management is just behind by only two points; can they take over first place and be the Champions of this Sprint Game? If so, then they will be awarded on their home turf as the Convention is going to be in LA. Meaning that not only their leader (CEO Kevin Wilson) but also their whole team would be there to go on stage and receive their trophy. Quite the victor, can they pull it off? Meanwhile Veterinary Practice Solutions is right behind and gaining fast. They beat Comm Line last week and their fearless leader Joel Parker is leading their team to victory. Go team Canada!

In the Top Registrar League we had quite a week! Martin Runow held his position in first place but the famous Dennis Dezelic from MGE just surged ahead of the pack and is now threatening his cushy lead. Not far behind is Greg Winteregg, also from MGE and a Goliath in his own right with Feinberg & Dan Margolin from Effective Management close behind in third and fourth place.

UPCOMING RELEASE: Make sure to secure your copies of the new Admin Reference Volumes. Hubbard College Press is taking pre-orders of these awesome new secular reference books which cover all of the basic areas you need in the technology of administration. Set includes 12 different books covering the following subjects: Study Skills, Communication& Team Building, Efficiency in the Workplace, Establishing and Organizing, Statistical Management, Executive Skills, Goals Management, Marketing & Public Relations, Financial Management & Business Ethics & Justice. It also has a full glossary with over 2,000 terms defined and an Index so you can find any subject you want easily. For more info go here.

Here are the quarters so you know when they start and end.

GAME QUARTERS:
First Quarter 28 May – 7 Aug 2015 SPRINT GAME PERIOD!
Second Quarter 20 Aug – 19 Nov 2015
Third Quarter 19 Nov – 18 Feb 2016
Fourth Quarter 18 Feb – 19 May 2016

INTERNATIONAL

WISE GAME STANDINGS

TOP CONSULTING COMPANY

1 Performia International 29 points
2 Sterling Management 27
3 Veterinary Practice Solutions 26
4 Comm Line 25
5 Silhouette Holland 24
5 Effective Management 21
5 Master Tech Computer Products 21
6 Int Executive Technology 21
7 Business Forward 19
7 Pacific Management 18
8 MGE Management Experts 16
8 Chiropractic Business Academy 15
8 Jacobs & Van Rooij Management 14
9 Ulan Nutritional Systems 13
9 David Singer Enterprises 12
10 Accelerated Training Solutions 12
11 Silkin Management 10
12 Art of Management 7
13 Management Success 7
13 Measurable Solutions 7
13 Survival Strategies 6
14 U-Man Management Belgium 3

TOP HUBBARD COLLEGE

1 HCA Budapest 38 points
2 HCA Tachira 31
3 HCA Venezuela 22
4 HCA Taiwan 21
5 HCA Tokyo 17
6 HCA Taichung 17
6 HCA Latvia 16
7 HCA Brno 15
7 HCA Bratislava 12
7 HCA Stuttgart 12
8 HCA South Africa 11
8 HCA Ecuador 9
8 HCA Tainan 9
9 HCA Kosice 6
9 HCA Prague 6
9 HCA Milano 4
9 HCA Costa Rica 3

TOP COMPANY CEO

1 Marten Runow- Performia International 29 points
2 Kevin Wilson – Sterling Management 27
3 Joel Parker – Veterinary Practice Solutions 26
4 Bela Nagy- Comm Line 25
4 Pat Clouden – Accelerated Training Solutions 21
4 Chris Melvin – Master Tech Computer Products 21
5 Rohn Walker – Int Executive Technology 21
6 Dan Margolin & Justin Feinberg- Effective Mgmt 21
6 Ilya Kusakin- Business Forward 19
7 Rick Manning – Pacific Management 18
7 Luis Colon – MGE 16
7 Jonna Palmer – Chiropractic Business Acad. 15
7 Peter & Anneke- Jacobs & Van Rooij Management 14
8 Peter Buckles – Ulan Nutritional Systems 13
8 Brent Detelich & Hugh Whitt – David Singer Enterprises 12
9 Kim Payne – FLB Charter Committee 12
10 Fred King – Silkin Management 10
11 Janice Wheeler – Art of Management 7
12 Bill Kilpatrick – Management Success 7
12 Sean Kirk & Jeff Lee – Measurable Solutions 7
12 Craig Ferreira – Survival Strategies 6
13 Roger Van Loocke- U-Man Management 3

TOP REGISTRAR

1 Marten Runow $70,559 gross book sales
2 Dennis Dezelic $38,960
3 Greg Winteregg $36,937
4 Justin Feinberg $35,435
5 Dan Margolin $35,265
6 Joel Parker $35,238
7 Sabri Blumberg $30,635
8 Ben Ochart $21,390
9 Aaron Hambley $20,864
10 Mike Menkhaus $17,143
11 Barbara Wilson $16,970
12 Ginny Boehme $15,275
13 Melanie Hoover $10,790
14 Roger Van Locke $9,419
15 Janice Wheeler $7,289
16 Kim Payne $6,900
17 Jerry Langenfeld $5,528
18 Rohn Walker $4,020
19 Neil Winteregg $3,410
20 Kathy Korb $3,175
21 Andrew Harris $2,970
22 Mike Russell $2,420
23 Lauren Feldman $2,320
24 Allen Jackson $1,680
25 Robin Hod $1,540
26 Rick Manning $1,445
27 Kasza Tamas $1,000
28 Lothar Stueckl $992
29 Peter Buckles $990
30 Piroska Gyula $403
31 Klaus Uckelman $397
32 Marc de Turck $335
33 Szilvie Nemes $184
34 Slavka Gondova $131
35 Kazimir Zak $125

TOP VP SALES

1 Marten Runow $141,118 gross book sales
2 Greg Winteregg $136,063
3 Pat Boyers $58,435
4 Kevin Wilson $48,653
5 Dan Margolin $35,265
6 Hilarie Rockl $35,238
7 Brennan Clouden $35,180
8 Erik Bayersdorfer $11,538
9 Roger Van Locke $9,419
10 Fred King $8,108
11 Kathy Korb $8,108
12 Janice Wheeler $7,794
13 Alex Melgarejo $7,596
14 Hugh Whitt $4,660
15 Rohn Walker $4,020
16 Austin Beilhart $3,727
17 Brenna Terpstra $3,727
18 Nagy Bela $3,277
19 Ilya Kusakin $1,930
20 Rick Manning $1,445
21 Craig Ferreira $91

TOP MARKETING MANAGER

1 Ashley Fuegel 12 points
1 Ariana Walker 9
2 Ruby Lee 9
2 Dylan Byrne 9
3 Sebron Walker 9
3 Fernando Olea 6
3 Andrea Wheeler 4
3 Bobbee Palmer 4
4 Bryan Manning 4
4 Milena Ferreira 4
4 William Prince 4
5 Janette Jonsson 3

TOP TECHNICAL/CONSULTANT STAFF

1 Ahuda Gorman $10,104 gross book sales
2 Ciara McMahon $4,925
3 Lorna Shelton $4,155
4 Kathy Barnett $3,600
5 Annette Jonsson $2,680
6 Martin Kolb $2,347
7 Chase Wilson $1,440
8 Kasza Tamas $1,000
9 Lothar Stueckl $992
10 Cody Holton $885
11 Adam Fuegel $860
12 Regina Zwers $800
13 Susan Lewis $419
14 Piroska Gyula $403
15 Klaus Uckelman $397
16 Marc de Turck $335
17 Abby Winteregg $220
18 Szilvie Nemes $184
19 Jack Hennessy $153

 
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Next milestone in the Laura DeCrescenzo saga tomorrow

Tomorrow morning at 8:30 am (11:30 Eastern) a hearing is scheduled to begin at the Los Angeles Superior Court building downtown. Judge Rolf M. Treu will consider the Church of Scientology’s motion for summary judgment which cites its First Amendment religious rights in the forced-abortion lawsuit filed in 2009 by Laura DeCrescenzo.

After Laura’s lawsuit survived a previous motion for summary judgment in 2013, she was given a December 7, 2015 trial date. But that’s now on hold as the church gets another bite at the apple. If Scientology can convince Judge Treu that its First Amendment protections allow it to do whatever it wants to its employees, even force abortion on a child, then Laura’s case will be tossed out. If he denies the motion, then a new trial date will be scheduled in 2016.

We hope to have a correspondent on the scene, but if you can get down to the Stanley Mosk Courthouse with a laptop (we’ve live-blogged from the location in the past), we’d appreciate updates as things are happening. Drop us a line.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

What’s this, a Narconon discount, just in time for the holidays?

 
NarcononDiscount

 
Narconon Louisiana goes “Ideal” as Ideal is redefined as “agree to be taken over by ABLE and run like a Sea Org org, and a new sign or something.”

 
NarcononLou1NarcononLou2

 
Hey, girl. Your Christmas love elf has arrived, and he’s purified.

 
SciBoris

 
Denverites Chuck and Brenda just got back from Flag after completing all three L Rundowns. Just trying to calculate the total amount they spent makes us dizzy. Half a million?

 
SciDenver11

 
Thanks, Legoland. Another group of kids roped in over in Nepal.

 
YHRINepal2

 
Freedom medal winner Rohit Sharma posts yet another photo from IAS 2015 at Saint Hill Manor in England with the Big Being, Tom Cruise and his Freedom Medal of Valor…

 
TCRohit

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 14, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Doc M

    Scientology is usually such a horrible topic, here is something to lighten your day or evening.
    I can’t see anybody not enjoying the following….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ref9CYaWKm4

  • Observer

    Homo Novis Nutjob John Mappin, ladies and gentlemen. He’s like a tween girl at a One Direction concert.

    EDIT: is it novis or novus? I never can remember.

    Refresh

    • Jimmy3

      He needs help getting his head out of his ass. Perhaps someone could draw him a mappout.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I see what you did there.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Someone already did.

        http://i.imgur.com/vbK0FWg.jpg

        • salin

          That is funny.

        • beauty for ashes

          They coped my Taj Mahal! Oh jeeze!
          I went to Atlantic City a few times. The Taj Mahal looks like a carnival ride the closer you get to it. Sparkly purple plastic columns. Yuck!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      So basically, we’re all jealous of Trump? Oh John Mappin you’re a fuck-bucket full of crazy. SMH

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is like pure projection, right?

    • salin

      Or 3. Rational.

    • Mark

      One notes Mappin feels the need to show two huge horse’s arses in his post.

      • salin

        Maybe he’s trying to get Jenna Elfman’s attention.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Novis. And now I’m going to hit my forehead again for knowing that – still.

      • Observer

        Thank you. Now I’ll be able to spell Hubs’ aren’t-I-brilliant-I’m-using-a-Latin-word nonsense term correctly.

    • beauty for ashes

      “This *lot* are barking mad and would spend the USA and UK into bankruptcy.”
      Isn’t that what critics fear about Trump?
      And OMG we think the traveler’s revues are bad about the castle! If Trump ever went, he would roast that place.

      • salin

        I believe Trump has a standing invitation to the castle.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Not if this petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003 has anything to say about it!

          Petition text: ‘The signatories believe Donald J Trump should be banned from UK entry.’Signed (so far): 558,170

          • salin

            I forgot about that. He’s so statesmen-like. Not.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Going to be awfully awkward if he does become President, knowing that the citizens of one of the US’s closest allies despise him 🙂 (I was signature 162,108–ten days ago! 558,206 now…)

        • beauty for ashes

          IKR? Is there one suite at least that doesn’t have the port-o-potty in it?

          • salin

            I think I read about someone in one that asked to move (so there was some other flaw), and got placed in a room with a port-o-potty.

    • MereCatWatcher

      I went to a Craig Ferguson show recently and he wants us all to tweet that trump means “shit” in Scotland. He says that in a month it would be considered true. That Trump. What a trump! That’s the trumps.

      • daisy

        I am the proud daughter of two Scots. I do not want my ancestor*s shit being called Trump.

      • Trump Tower

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Seeing how desperate scientology has become for new material, new slaves, new money, I thought Tom Cruise might be interested. Think of the dissemination possiblilties, Tom! The medals of the future! The stats – think of the stats, Tom – they’d be in Power Plus! Dave would have to make up, I mean find Hubbard’s hidden policy about a whole new condition above Power heretofore unearthed – and you would be the first there! Just sayin’, Tom.

    “NASA ACCEPTING ASTRONAUT APPLICATIONS”

    Dec 1,4, 2015: “CAPE CANAVERAL — Want to be an astronaut? Start filling out that job application now.

    NASA has begun accepting applications for a new class of astronauts. The space agency will accept applications through mid-February from anyone who wants to to go to Mars.”

    http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/12/14/nasa_to_begin_accept.html

    http://i.imgur.com/W7vUDzU.jpg?3
    Come on, Tom – I know you want to!

    • B4you

      It should be added to the Geneva convention that no $cientologist is allowed in or outer space!

    • salin

      And he can star in a really great rock song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYYRH4apXDo

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        And we’ll get to find out if there really are spiders on mars! And how big do you think his Freedom of Mars medal would be, anyway? He’s going to need to find wife #4 And #5 when he lands so they can carry the thing back home for him.

        • salin

          You are keeping me laughing (and thus smiling) this afternoon. Thanks.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            😉

    • ze moo

      In space, no one can hear you reg….

      • B4you

        there is a lot of noise out in space, you just don’t hear it, because you are trawling at the same speed, except when you fart!

  • salin

    Hilarious writeup (from last January) of going in for a Co$ personality test. http://thetab.com/uk/edinburgh/2015/01/12/church-scientology-personality-test-9038

    • B4you

      You can see on that test that Joshua is a blogger!

    • MereCatWatcher

      Yep. Very funny.

  • Scientology Motto:
    WE WANT YOUR CASH. ALL OF IT.
    The reason there are predatory actions on Dentists, Chiropractors and Vets is that they are a cash flow business, every appointment more or less paid with cash and Scientology Inc wants that flow of cash.
    MGE in Pinellas Park, close to Tampa and Clearwater is a bunch of OT 8 thugs, (That gangster photo Tony posted is so right on.)
    MGE charge $126,000 to Dentists for their first course on how to *boom* their practice.

    Hold your nose and swallow this.

    MGE have pulled off a caper where Dentist “continuing education” hours are credited with the major Dental watchdog licensing authority for MGE courses of L Ron Hubbard Green on White !!!

    How the HELL is that admin tech Continuing Education for DENTISTRY?
    Blurring the lines between secular and non secular, these Dentists are lured into coughing up sums for IAS and “saving the world” as benefactors.

    MGE has air cover like Reed Slatkin. Air cover because they bring in bucks for the Flag Land Base and everyone goes home happy.
    A pretense of secular (non religious) then the dentists regged for their Bridge at Flag.
    See the OT 8 head honchos here ~~
    http://mgeonline.com/meet-owners-mge-management-experts/

    • salin

      The oiliness just oozes off of the photos of their mugs.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You should be around them in person for just five minutes,Salin. You Will need a shower. It really actually does ooze out around them. It’s really something.

        • salin

          Ugh. Such a nettled, interlocking mess of predators.

        • James Morris

          …I did wonder where they got the oil for the Super-Duper Powers Oiliness Table from.

          I guess only big being old only would do…

  • some of you might remember about the Iraqi War Veteran who was a member of the Sea Org and got kicked out and was writing a book… anyway, he’s in my new blog post https://www.scientologybollocks.com/7084-2/ and I pointed him to todays Bunker to possibly discuss things if he wants do [see pic]

    bonus video: Listen to a Baby Polar Bear Make the Most Ridiculous Sounds While Dreaming https://youtu.be/UioNzGntBag

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I think he’s dreaming about some silly seals and laughing.

      • beauty for ashes

        I swear I heard an emperor penguin imitation!

      • Juicer77

        Motor won’t turn over. XD

    • Juicer77

      Still a believer in the HubbardTech, apparently. Usual line of “DM got it wrong.” It will be interesting to hear what he has to say in this book. Fascinating life story if it’s true.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Postulating for court tomorrow…..

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    When scientology, via old familiar acquaintances, was trying to reel me back in, one of the Flag birddogs, trying her best to size me up, asked about my work, my little music production biz and if I ever promoted Scientology at my gigs. I guess this came right after I mentioned some of the high powered events I booked and played, few as they were.

    I didn’t realize until much later that she just expected me to answer in the affirmative, Tone 40 blathering of course. Instead my eyes just got wide when I told her,

    “I would never work again if I mentioned Scientology!”

    “What? You mean… Did somebody fire you because of scientology? Who was it? (this question would burn in my memory later) What is their name?

    “Nobody. I told you I never mention it and why would I? And nobody fires me. I’m my own boss.”

    “Well, if anyone ever does, you should know that OSA will take care of that and then some” or something of that nature. I felt a little icy chill at that one. “Are you signed up with WISE?”

    “No and no plans to. I work on a slim profit margin, there’s only a few personnel and I’m not interested.”

    I got several pounds of promo, 20 calls a week and a few well placed hints from an ethics officer over the course of the next 10 years. They had to have spent 5x the amount of a membership. And this is their WISE business model. For each lawsuit like Lucida Rubber we learned about yesterday, I always wonder how many OSA squashed before it ever saw the light of day or if they too are so few they can’t be bothered with the small fry anymore.

    http://i.imgur.com/6m5AQoK.gifv

    • James Morris

      They shoulda just given you the 5X membership in cash and left you alone. This would be the most efficient of all displayed practiced. What they actually do is accounted for in the photograph.

      Refresh for OSA, Flag, and WISE portraits. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b863c6ec74b30e64433e0623f2ef9a74f7710a33b810f269d950a43983f5fe0f.jpg

      • ze moo

        Why does that remind me of Trump’s hair?? And face??

        • Missionary Kid

          The sweep of the hair on the tail is similar to his.

          • daisy

            Even without the hair it looks like Trump ( Apologies to the real horses ass)

            • Missionary Kid

              You damn well better apologize. Poor horses! 😛

      • Needs a good bleaching.

      • daisy

        Foreplay for Jenna.

      • JaxNGold

        “What they do is accounted for is the photograph”

        Laughter!!

        Such a gross picture, but too funny.

        • James Morris

          *shrug*

          It seemed like a good idea at the time. Although, there’s no accounting for my tastes, as it were.

          *s__t eating grin*

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Hole, I get a similar flow of mail and calls every week. How do these retrieve efforts work? Do they keep a bunch of notes in a file about their attempts to reach you and any conversations had? If so, who sees them? Is there an end point that can be reached that would induce them to remove a person’s name from their lists or to end their efforts to reel the person back in as you say?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        There are some campaigns now and then, one to set Ex SO back in, one to get OT’s back in, etc. It also makes it worse if you live within a certain distance from any of their epicenters. Otherwise, in regular mail, there’s a couple of classifications of bulk mail. The one that goes out to everyone on file is the true spam of all spam.

        • Missionary Kid

          AFAIC, all $cientology mail is spam.

    • BraveBloggers

      I’m guessing here…but it must have been liberating, in a sense, to be able to give voice to honest thoughts and feelings that had been suppressed as a matter of mind control before.

      To be able to look someone (a part of an organization that caused much pain and stress) in the eye and say NO, I’d imagine is freeing in and of itself in a way.

      So glad that you, and others, were able to get to the point to say no.

  • ze moo

    What’s with all the green jackets at the NarCONon opening? I don’t think they got 5 winners of the Masters to attend! F5 Or is like that real estate company that makes every Realtor wear the same color jacket.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Maybe it’s ‘The Jive Aces’ (or ‘The Jive Asses!’).

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientology really likes the confetti tech, don’t they? It looks fake to me.

  • Sid (Phil)

    All those management consultant ‘experts’ and they can’t get new public flooding into their local Orgs?

    • Mark Foster

      When your product is SHIT(WISE and sciwankology), management expertise=ability to lie and steal whilst looking for new “marks”.

  • nottrue

    American Power and Gas is a WISE member 256 complaints in the last 3yr…http://www.bbb.org/west-florida/business-reviews/energy-service-companies/american-power-and-gas-in-dunedin-fl-90128299 video Job Bonus= State of Clear https://vimeo.com/148501980

  • Tony, I owe my entire history in Scientology to WISE people that came to my dad and helped him steal the family business from his brother and liquidate it. Then they moved us to Dallas and then to Los Angeles by helping my dad find meager jobs working for other businesses in the WISE network. My family went from being well off to nearly destitute at times, because of WISE.

    • beauty for ashes

      Did you talk about that in one of your Youtube videos? That story somehow rings a bell. Your uncle is not a scientologist, right?

      • I mention it all the time. So it could be anywhere, to be honest. No my uncle is not. My aunt (dad’s sister) was but she passed away after becoming disaffected in 2010. She’s the only other one in the Bloch-Pehl family tree that was ever a Scientologist besides my nuclear family.

        • beauty for ashes

          You’re everywhere Derek! 🙂

  • Nessybach

    Some of those websites are hilarious:

    “Hilarie became a certified Hubbard Management Consultant, achieving the highest possible certification in this technology – the equivalent of an MBA”

    Yeah right…..

    • Spackle Motion

      Had to stop choking on the popcorn I usually eat while reading Bunker comments.

      I have a MBA. Hubbard’s bullshit is so far from the subject matter in a real school that it made me laugh and choke when I read this. They actually teach REAL ETHICS in business school, not the ethics that will force you into sec checks.

      • Nessybach

        I know, it’s insulting to anyone who actually had to work hard to earn a degree.

      • Leigh Andrews

        I’ve always thought that Hubbard took a page out of “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand, where one of the characters observed, “What good is having laws if people don’t break them?”

        • Chee Chalker

          Or as the Laverne and Shirley theme song would say ……’give us any rule we’ll break it we’re gonna make our drams come true….’

        • Spackle Motion

          Even Ayn Rand’s fucked up selfish philosophies (which I consider on par with Satanism…seriously, they have many tenets in common, look it up) seem like socialism compared to Hubbard’s drivel.

    • All Hubbard College graduates will tell you that — even if you don’t ask them — even if you cross the street to avoid them!

      • Spackle Motion

        If they tried to tell that to a non-scilon HR manager, they’d get laughed out of the room. Many large, Fortune 500 companies won’t even consider a MBA from an unaccredited school (like University of Phoenix) a real MBA.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You can pretty much spot a scientologist’s resume a mile away – they’re either too questionable or too alien in the real business world to be given anything but a glance and a toss.

  • anoni81b4u

    This picture needed a little Flava

    • ze moo

      Every time I see TC with ‘I am real big being and you should worship me medal’. I think of Flavor-Flav.

  • rare photo of a drunken Hubbard ‘playfully’ terrorising passengers on one of his liners [slightly nsfw]

    • B4you

      I don’t think he is drunk!

    • JaxNGold

      I’m gonna throw up. EW.

    • OOkpik

      Gaaah! …

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      It’s ok people, I’ve got this one covered: F5

    • Bunker Buggy Betsy

      Screaming!!! Hilarious!!!

    • I tried to add to the shoop but couldn’t find a Krustie pic with the right face angle… came up with this monstrosity… captions welcome

      • aegerprimo

        PERFECT!

      • daisy

        Krusty*s head turns around just like the exorcist girl.

    • Chee Chalker

      Mankind’s greatest friend

    • James Morris

      Hey little girl,
      Do you want some candy?

    • ze moo

      Want to ring the bell, little girl?

    • aegerprimo

      ……….

    • Observer

      ..

    • Close eyes.
      Grab bed pan.
      Swing bed pan until connection with Hubbard.
      Repeat until concussion,
      Thank you!

    • FTR – original Blubbard used

  • richelieu jr

    A cynic might suspect that Sterling Management is a shoo-in, given that they are the flag-bearers of the Scilon Virus itself, representatives of the Brand of Winners, and (as the post nicely notes) were they to win they wouldn’t even have to travel or anything as the ceremony is already being held chez eux!

    How nice! I am sure they have OT’d themselves parking spaces right near the door just in case!

  • Typical Scientology, they never get the names right!

    TOP MARKETING MANAGER
    3 Sebron Walker 9

    I believe that should be Cebron Walker, former Hole resident, now at “Int Exec Tech”.

    Scientology’s Concentration Camp for Its Executives: The Prisoners, Past and Present August 2, 2012, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice

    Cebron Walker CMO Int/Marketing — “He worked in the LRH PPRO (Personal Public Relations Office) and in Marketing.”

  • Bunker Buggy Betsy

    Look out, SPs. Scientology is clearing Tokyo!

    Their big Asian org is definitely clear…of people. Straight up, vertical, monumental, epic and not at all exaggerated.

    https://twitter.com/tenkiishi/status/676321904139964417

    Shiny Scientology shoop doesn’t even show people.

    • Well, it is expensive, and it does have departments (and seven divisions)…

      • anoni81b4u

        And they do sell things.

    • aegerprimo

      I tweeted this shoop I made a while back….

      • OOkpik

        I love this shoop. Thanks, aegerprimo.

      • Missionary Kid

        Perfect for a space cootie group.

  • outraged

    OT timeout for a whine or whinge.
    I want my air conditioner on. In December.
    Something fishy going on here.

    • richelieu jr

      Where are you?

      You can have mine; I am certainly not using it!

      • outraged

        Joisey.

    • Robert Eckert

      It’s in the 50’s (Fahrenheit, a mite above 10 Celsius) here in Detroit, in mid-December, going on midnight. Average here at this time and season would be mid-20’s (a few under 0 C)

      • Sandy

        Jeez, I know! It is only in the 30’s F in the Twin Cities. No snow. Weird. No ice on lakes.

  • richelieu jr

    WTF?!! What possible reasoning is there to have a ‘holiday discount’ for drug rehabilitation (or, for that matter, for Narconon)?

    I guess I’m just cranky because I wish they had told me sooner. Even with a discount like that, I just don’t have time to get hooked, hit bottom and provoke an intervention before X-mas!

    Damn you, Narconon! You win again!!!

    • ze moo

      NarCONon has been outed on at least one US TV network, NBC. A good interview with Luke Catton.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvJB93KAXE

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Hey man. What’s the vibe like around Paris at the moment?

      • richelieu jr

        Pretty good, actually… It is really hard to say, I suppose…

        I had three people I know direclty injured in the attacks (my est friend, a musician, has had his hearing injured by a grenade that went off in the café where he was sitting, and an ex took three bullets ( in the thigh, one in the pelvis) before the shooter’s gun either jammed or he ran out of bullets. She said he winked at her, then jumped in the car that had just screeched to a halt beside him and peeled off into some shitty jihadi sunset where short-dicked losers with delusions of of superiority and religious agendas shooting defenseless people with automatic weapons are considered heroes, and get all the virgins they could never get near in high school. I hear it is called.. the Inner… Ray? Oh no, wait– the NRA, that’s it!

        It sounded almost too cinematic to believe, but you can see the video on the Guardian and LE Parisian’s websites, so… Less dramatic when the gun isn’t being shot at you, but even with no real sound and in b&w from a distance and above it does have a certain, how do you Americans say it? Oh, right, “Je ne sais quoi..”

        How are tings in the the Hothouse Flower Zone?

        • OOkpik

          GULP! So sorry.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Holy shit, bro! I have no words.

        • Allie

          So sorry that your friends were injured. I remember seeing several ppl interviewed who
          were sitting in that cafe and they described the shooter looking directly at them, his gun jamming and then he quickly left in the car that zoomed up. Scary indeed. Gosh, those ppl might have been your friends. Again, so sorry.

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe the video of the cafe caught the inside of the incident, and the shooter outside is barely seen outside shooting her, then leaving.

          I’m about 50 miles from San Bernardino, and the idiot who firebombed a mosque is about 30 miles the other way, in Coachella (even though it’s called the Palm Springs Islamic Center). His stepfather turned him in, and, among other things, it looks like he’s going to be charged with a hate crime. The basic charges are, IIRC, arson, attempted murder (there were people inside getting ready for a service) and, supposedly, burglary.

  • beauty for ashes

    Maru decided to do all three L rundowns. Here he shares his win. F5

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      A friend of a friend is opening a cat cafe here in Orlando. Go have coffee, snacks, use the WiFi and pet the cats. I’m a cat lover, but that’s just plain weird, you know?

      • beauty for ashes

        GIVE ME ADDRESSS!!!!!!!

      • kemist

        I would totally go to a place like that.

      • Missionary Kid

        Atleast, it wasn’t a cat house.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    OT: Syfy channel’s mini-series based on Arthur Clark’s ‘Childhood’s End’ starting at 8pm Eastern. Looks to have pretty high production values and a good cast, so here’s to hoping they’ve done a good job. Since my TV is currently my computer monitor, I can’t be here and there at the same time. Damn MESTy problems.

    • aegerprimo

      Tuned in… and so glad I have DVR because I will probably be asleep by 8:30. DON’T JUDGE ME! I get up at 4:30 am so I can be set up for first surgery at 7am.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Thanks for the heads-up.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I only learned about it last evening and fell down the rabbit hole of trailers and promo pieces.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Cool.

          I didn’t know Arthur Clark wrote it; I thought that Arthur C. Clarke wrote Childhood’s End. 🙂

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Dork. 😉

            • MaxSpaceman

              D’oh !

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              1 in every crowd

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      do you have to have cable tv to view?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Not sure it will translate to the telex too well. But seriously, not sure if it can be streamed. I’m not hip to that yet.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          i’ll just wait till it comes out on 8 track then

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Probably best choice.

          • ze moo

            I’ll wait for laserdisk or betamax version.

    • ze moo

      The ‘Expanse’ comes on later. If they did it well, I’d be surprised. The SyFy channel hasn’t had any good original shows since it left ‘Sci Fi’ ownership.

      • Lucille Austero

        Not since Battlestar…..sigh….

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          All time fav TV show right there.

      • Observer

        Yesterday it was showing the Fast and Furious movies. They seem to have strayed off target.

        • Rasha

          Yeah, when they changed the name so that they could show anything, I was really disappointed. Not as disappointed as when they cancelled MST3K back in ’99, but hey! Guess who’s back (somewhere else! Nyah nyah!)

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m TIVOing it. I forgot it’s on. Thanks.

    • Rasha

      One of my best beloved books, from all the way back in Junior High. I’ve seen attempts at Dune and others, so I’m DVRing it to give it a fair shake. (The SciFi Dune miniseries was pretty fair in my opinion, given the density of the material). Actually, the only movie that even closely matched my vision from it’s novel was “To Kill A Mockingbird”. We will see. I have many years of cementing Childhood’s End in my mind.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ll be interested to read your take on it. Since I don’t remember the story, (an advantage sometimes – I get to reread stories I’ve read before and enjoy them all over again) I’m looking at it with fresh eyes.

        I realize that they had to upgrade the personal technology in the story to contemporary times.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          One of the points of contention with fans is the fact that the chosen representative is a farmer rather than U.N. official. The makers of the film felt that at this stage, politicians are no longer trusted as they were in the 50’s, so they modified the character’s profession.

          • Missionary Kid

            *Laughs* Nobody’s trusted, especially with all sorts of “truthers” conspiracy theory aficionados, and people hostile to anyone who they think is trying to control them. I don’t think that anyone in today’s U.S. would trust anyone, politician or anyone else.

        • Rasha

          I’ll be sure to post an O/T when I watch it. Not sure how many parts there are – no doubt tonight’s installment was the setup. If they go all Riverworld on it and make it a very different story, I’ll stop.

          • Missionary Kid

            Three parts. One today, tomorrow, and Wednesday, IIRC.

            • Rasha

              Thanks! ^_^

          • Missionary Kid

            The thing that happens all too often is that they think that they have to have a whiz-bang ending to sf stories. The ending to I, Robot was just about ruined by the ending.

            The way that Total Recall ended on screen, I found totally unbelievable. I don’t recall the way that Phillip K. Dick’s story ended, but on screen, it wasn’t believable to me.

            I never bothered with Riverworld.

            • Rasha

              Sometimes the ending is close, but the story somehow has to have Afterschool Special all over it – how about that abomination “War of the Worlds”? I haven’t seen the other one that came out at the same time yet, but I’d give it a look.

            • Missionary Kid

              I enjoyed the original. Screw any remakes. As you might gather, I don’t think much of remakes.

    • Missionary Kid

      Just finished watching Episode 1 (I get the East Coast feed on DirecTV.)
      I thought it was well done. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) I don’t remember the book. I know I read it, but it’s probably been over 50 years since I read the story. As it goes on, I’ll probably remember more of the story.

      The advantage of TIVO is that I started to watch it late, and I zipped through the commercials.

      Now I’m watching the football game.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        It was certainly no Sharknado, but well done for SyFy. I’m impressed so far. I read the book probably 20 years ago and not much is ringing a bell with me either.

        • Missionary Kid

          I may well have read the stories that were turned into the book separately.

  • anoni81b4u

    Michael Phelps is a scientologist? I had no idea.

    • aegerprimo

      Wat?

      • anoni81b4u

        I know right? .. It is so good you thought it was real!

        • aegerprimo

          Were is the info on Michael Phelps being a Scientologist?

          • anoni81b4u

            Can you not see that picture ? He is CLEARLY standing next to Tom Cruise.

            • B4you

              *ROTFLOL*

            • aegerprimo

              Oh jeez…. first of all Michael Phelps is TALL. And he is not from India.
              LOL, you got me!

            • daisy

              He is on the other side lol. Worst but funniest shoop ever

            • aegerprimo

              I just hate I forgot to hit F5 refresh button.
              Silly me!

            • anoni81b4u

              F5 … for GODS SAKE … refresh your screen ! 🙂

            • aegerprimo

              Thank you for the giggles anoni81b4u.
              (I am way too serious and I need to go to bed now).
              ((hugs)) and ~~waving~~

            • anoni81b4u

              your welcome 🙂 now go to sleep!

            • Mockingbird

              Ha ha.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I suck at shoops too, but really? That’s awful…..funny, but awful.

      • anoni81b4u

        Thank you 🙂

    • aegerprimo

      That is the worst freakin’ shoop I have ever seen. ROFLMFAO

      • Mockingbird

        Terrible as Charles Barkley says.

    • B4you

      I really don’t know what to say other than Thank you! that was a good laugh.

    • Mockingbird

      Totally stolen !!!!

    • Rasha

      Oh, my! LSHIFOMCASTC!!!*

      *Laughing So Hard I Fell Off My Chair And Scared The Cat

  • Observer

    Random shoop.

  • Bob Crouch

    Hubbard College? You could name a lot of things after a guy who did not even manage to make it through his freshman year with even low but passing grades. But a college? Seriously?

    • Rasha

      It’s on par with “Hubbard Brightening Toothpaste”

      • Bob Crouch

        I suppose he would have made a good spokesperson for Jenny Craig too, the “Big Being” product line, perhaps. Or maybe Vistaril–better living through chemistry. Or the “But you still get to be full of shit” Purification Rundown.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    You know I have been thinking about rehab for a while but I keep putting it off by saying I can’t afford it.
    But now, a 30% discount, I am signing up!
    …Wait..no…I will get that new sofa in the after Christmas sales first and then do rehab.

    • Rasha

      …with that 30% discount, you know how many Vodka Bunker Nailguns I can afford to recover from?

  • The *Rundown* of heavy sweating, huge amounts of Niacin sold to the parents of this 9 year old by the Cult.
    This is a rundown sold to heavy drug dry out outfits called “Narconons.”

    A drug-less 2nd generation 9 year old put through it for CASH$$$$$$

    • Observer

      That poor little girl. 🙁

      EDIT: if you zoom in it looks like she’s got two black eyes.

      • Sid (Phil)

        Dark circles under eyes ‘can’ be a symptom of liver damage.

      • Mockingbird

        A Miscavige special !?

    • Rasha

      Sick… May she escape in time to live a vibrant life.

    • B4you

      This is outrageous! You can’t C/S a purif with that small body weight. Same doses as an adult?

      • Mockingbird

        Scamontology is all about the money !

    • salin

      Karen,

      You so aptly capture the absurdity, and potential dangerous consequences of this grueling ‘one-size-all’ regimen (which has no scientific research affirming any positive effects.)

    • Lucille Austero

      Child abuse, pure and simple. 😠😠😠

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yes yes yes yes yes and yes. And god, it pisses me off.

    • oknow

      I hate this!

    • BraveBloggers

      This is why.

      Dang, I find myself typing that so often.

      Each time horrified and fueling my desire to seek change. Not to be a wall against people’s right to believe or to have faith, but to stop the acts of harm, negligence, danger and the like in the practice of certain unlawful behaviors.

      A few choose to call that bigotry; many call it abiding by law, protecting people and other descriptions.

      9 years old and she will know no other way. I continue to hope for change.

      • Mockingbird

        Remember slavery was legal, apartheid was legal and everything Hitler did was legal. The law doesn’t decide right and wrong: we each must for ourselves.

        • BraveBloggers

          Very true. Excellent points.

    • madame duran

      I can’t even…

    • worstcultever

      Where the F are this kid’s parents? Why is she dressed like a 20-y.o. on spring break? GAH!

      • Mockingbird

        Poor parenting starts early. I am so glad my wife talked me out of making my kids do Scientology. Dodged a bullet there.

        • Missionary Kid

          Smart wife. Good you listened.

          • Mockingbird

            I got lucky with this one.

            • Missionary Kid

              You sure did. Women love Everyone loves to be told they’re right. I hope you do it often.

            • Mockingbird

              Tell myself I am right !?

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s assumed.

    • Mockingbird

      Child abuse !!!

    • Zhestokoye obraschcheniye s rebenkom.

    • James Morris

      Oh Lawd!

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Sweet dreams everyone and good thoughts for Laura & team tomorrow. See you in the AM. 🙂

    • Rasha

      Very pillow!!! ^_^

      • Much sleeps.

        • Sergeant Pepper

          So slumbery.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    “Welcome to the ninth week of standings for the new 2015-2016 WISE Game! Remember, there is only 5 weeks left in the first Quarter. This is a Sprint Game period, hence time to get a move on!”

    What this shows is 1), they aren’t calling the yearly “Game” the “Birthday Game” anymore! At least not for WISE’s yearly “Birthday Game”.

    2) It shows though, that despite the shortening of the “Game” name, they are still doing the exact same Birthday Game, and that’s expected, that’s what Hubbard asked staffs to do, for his Birthday, when he was alive, and it shows they are NOT dispensing with this Game system they have for driving their staffs of their various “Leagues” to play against each other and “win” the yearly Game overall, which is broken up into Quarters leading up to the overall Total points they gain and get to accumulate throughout the whole year of the big Game, and whoever gets the largest accumulation of points overall, wins the overall yearly Game.

    I helped train Kevin Wilson and his wife, he’s in the back row of this photo back in 1981, in the 1981 FEBC students crowd photo, the back back row, of taller guys’ heads, there’s Shane Whitmore, Steve Buffinton, Bernie Schrott, Kevin Wilson and tallest head is Doug Harlan. Bernie and Kevin are the two tall heads close together, Kevin’s the dark hair trainee and his black hair’s balded away today.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/13716306@N00/32959922/in/set-72157603845828734/

    • Mockingbird

      Stolen ! Hey Chuck, would you ever write up the command channels for us ? I remember folks making a big deal out of who was at Int, CLO, CMO, RTC, etc. etc. . I think it could be very informative.

  • TexasBroad

    Just got back in…is it too early to go OT? I kid…I did a quick scroll and the shoop-shares tonight are a mix of delicious& disturbing!!

    I’m a reasonably well read never-in and have a never-in’s general understanding of getting in present time and the stated point of it. As I decorate for Christmas, and joyfully unwrap the ornament my mom made in 1934, the reindeer I painted at the YMCA in 1968 that has hung on my every tree since, and the porcelain choir boy my dad got from his mother for his first married Christmas in 1942, i wonder this…is “getting into present time” only to overcome past upsets or does it disengage people from their sentiment? I understand letting go of or overcoming the hard parts of one’s past, but does Sci have a disdain for sentimentality and nostalgia – for respect for one’s roots, one’s family history, for family tradition?
    Edited to add… Sigh. I know the answer.

    • “Getting into present time” means forgetting any attachments to people or things you’re about to dump from your life, and ignoring the future consequences of that double mortgage, stripping your health plan and retirements funds.

      In Scientology, it’s always Thursday 2pm.

      • TexasBroad

        I knew that as I asked it really…just feeling the sentimentality tonight, and thinking of the sadness of those disconnected folks missing loved ones still in, the ridiculousness & the danger of WISE front-groups…of Laura’s big day tomorrow. I better go scroll and find some silly shoops and sweet kittehs.

        • Definitely Toby.
          ..

          • TexasBroad

            Hi Toby!!!! Yes, that!

            RMycroft, are you going to HowdyCon? I’m only a very hopeful maybe. You’re on my list of hope-to-meet if I do.

            • I’d love to go, but I can’t really make plans for it until almost on top of things.

    • You may have sentiment, but only for Source, hence the offices in all the orgs, numerous portraits, museums, encyclopedias, booger busts and the lavish, gushing praise for him and all his works. He’s the only one you’re supposed to be nostalgic for.

      • TexasBroad

        Blech.

        “The gift that you personally can give has the potential of changing this whole civilization in every land.” – L. Ron Hubbard

        • He looks sour and disgruntled. Must be out exchange.

        • Frodis73

          Can he be any more full of himself? Gag me. Humility is not in his dictionary.

        • James Morris

          And, airways, that cravat
          Did he even (was gonna say make…) have sex with it on?

  • One Who Cares

    I’m always polite and some of you are so nasty. There are people trying to help the world so why do you all think that is so bad. Look at how much we’ve done.

    • MaxSpaceman

      F 5 / refresh

      • OOkpik

        Yes. Troll Alert.

        • Supper Powers

          Someone fell into another bottle of brandy.

    • Vaquera

      Howdy says hello.

    • Andrew Robertson

      I regret to inform you that the Bunker is full. Should a vacancy for a live-n troll occur you will be informed by telex. Thank you for your interest. I would also remind you that Thursday is approaching.

      Andrew

      • TexasBroad

        LOL – and I only say that when I actually laugh out loud.

      • Every Friday morning means the pressure of another approaching Thursday is bearing down on the poor Sea Org slaves. It’s like Groundhog Day, only not funny.

    • TexasBroad

      The “nastiness” here is a direct response to the nastiness wrought upon the lives of many of the commenters here by their involvement in Scientology…an organization that they joined and contributed to because of their desire to help the world, but an organization that ultimately ripped their families apart, ravished their finances and insinuated itself destructively into all facets of their lives. “Look at what how much we’ve done” — that is exactly what is happening here. It might be helpful to read the articles.

    • “Trying” is the operative word. But it’s like trying to seal a wound with jello. Your tools are worthless. You have exactly nothing to show for all the billions spent on Hubbard and Miscavige’s Potemkin orgs except big, empty buildings. You help no one. Narconon is quackery. VM’s do photo ops and get in the way of actual aid workers. Touch Assists don’t even rise to the level of wrong. The church is a laughingstock. Fresh meat is scarce and the whales are looking tired and thin. The truth only seems nasty.

    • salin

      Indeed. I have read so many accounts from non Scientology related news sources about how appreciative the people in Paris are for TWTH pamphlets. And those moving accounts of how those TWTH pamphlets helped in Liberia during the Ebola breakout – wow – who needs the volunteer medical doctors and nurses, donations of medication, donations for supplies to build emergency medical/quarantine facilities. Because the donations of scientologists for pamphlets – so much more important.

      • Hey, Liberia needs toilet paper almost as badly as the Sea Org does.

        • salin

          Very true. And those pamphlets are just too stiff and not very absorbent to be good for that function.

    • Amy Forsythe

      Ya know….that really is a very persuasive argument….hell I’m in….any openings in your cult?

    • TexasBroad

      It’s possible you don’t know ( a lot of exes were surprised after they left), but until all the books and documentaries unfavorable to Scientology that came out this year, not many people other than Scientologists and active scientology critics (exes and those of us who follow and support them) really knew anything about scientology at all —still, the majority of people don’t. I promise that very few people outside of these two groups have ever heard of Volunteer Ministers at all. The impact of Scientology in the real world is not accurately represented in the over-the-top event presentations and PR websites. In my real world, no one really knows anything much about you at all.

      Your comment sounded sincere. Please read. Scientology doesn’t help the world. They don’t own or control your eternity.. Whomever you cut out of your life because they were “PTS” … were only trouble to scientology and really no trouble to you…also, they miss you very much.

      • Jimmy3

        Educated guesses on this guy have it that he’s anything but sincere. Not even a scientologist. He’s just here to stir up shit.

        • TexasBroad

          Really? Well, fuck.

          • Jimmy3

            It’s okay. You’re sweet.

            • TexasBroad

              And occasionally salty. I missed the whole green-square back to shamrock thing, but glad you’re back to your old self [elf]

        • daytoncapri

          I tend to agree on your assessment of OWC. I have a feeling, though, that the caring and thoughtful reply by TexasBroad may be appreciated by a UTR.

      • Missionary Kid

        This guy basically does a drive-by every once in a while.

        Well written answer.

      • OOkpik

        Awhile ago Tony O. posted a “Just so you know” type comment about this person likely being the one who recently usurped one of our regular’s blog ID, is likely a male and not a Scientologist. I hazard a reasonable guess that TO was referring to “JAZZLOVER”.

        When he appeared as One Who Cares, some of us reached out to him, as you have done here. Since then he just does hit-and-runs. He acts like a troll trying to get unwarranted attention and a few jollies.

        You have a good heart, my friend. I just thought this might give you some insight into why the comments seem a little…well…um…less sensitive.

    • beauty for ashes
    • Not a Scientologist Butt

      Meanie!

    • 0tessa

      ‘…how much we’ve done …’? Surely you mean how much money Scientology Inc has wheedled out of people.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Playing the martyr. What a good Scieno. But shouldn’t you be scrubbing a toilet with your toothbrush somewhere?
      A GOOD loyal scientologist wouldn’t be whacking off on the internet, wasting their precious time, when they should be in the seaorg clearing the planet.

  • Mockingbird
  • I am not always polite and some of you are not either.
    But we are trying to help others to see what’s true, which is pretty cool.
    Ignore our crazy posts. Or don’t.

    • Supper Powers

      He’s lying y’all. Dodo is always polite.

      • TexasBroad

        Yes. That is true.

      • Rasha

        Yup.

      • salin

        But he writes a great mock, when needed.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      What’s true for you and all that gobbledygook.

      • Oh, fuck off, my friend.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Stocking. Coal. Merry Xmas!

          • Love you too. I want 8 strings Ibanez.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Nice choice, but what are you going to do with the extra 7 strings?

            • Don’t you ever underestimate my 3 strings play ability.

            • TexasBroad

              What color?

            • Black. M80M Meshuggah. Not pictured.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              How’s this hotness suit you? refresh

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Hot damn, Dodo! That’s the spirit!

        • OOkpik

          You owe Supper Powers an up-vote.

    • outraged

      Hear! Hear!

    • Jimmy3

      Fuck off, Dodo. I’m always polite.

    • B4you

      somebody left you a hat here F5

    • Judith Sylvester

      Dodo,
      Sorry to be so unenlightened, but could you explain the image you use? It looks like Tommy Lee Jones, with Nixon’s nose, and Bob Dole’s mouth.
      j

  • outraged

    Anyone see the Force Awakens??? Is it good, bad, indifferent??
    I just love Carrie Fisher.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Um……just like the Sea Org, those stats will have to wait until Thursday.

    • Jimmy3

      Leia dies in the 3rd act. Sorry.

      • Vaquera

        At the premier tonight, you are?

        • Jimmy3

          No. My cousin’s doorman is friends with J.J. Abram’s assistant’s doorman. Doormen all know each other. They have conventions and shit.

          Anyway, I thumbed through a copy of the script. It’s good.

          • Vaquera

            Perhensile…it’s a good thing.

            • Missionary Kid

              Perhensile or Prehensile? I have dyslxeic fingers, too.

      • Fun fact – Leia has almost the same last name as I do. We are not related.

        • Jimmy3

          Her real last name, her mother’s maiden name or her adoptive name?

          • Jimmy3

            I’m thinking your name is something like… Dodo Sunwalker.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Groundcrawler……Dodo Groundcrawler.

            • Jimmy3

              Dodo Skysegwayer

            • Haha! I kind of like it. Leia Organa and Andrei Organ. Crazy cool.

          • It’s complicated like that.

        • Frodis73

          I noticed that the first time I saw your last name. I was going to say something (a dumb joke about being related to her) but I wasn’t sure if you were into sw or not. 🙂

  • PappeKak

    Scum.

    ’nuff said.

  • salin

    OT: Tonight’s memory lane took me back to mid teens overnights with friends – and grooving to songs that were fun but full of references we didn’t get. How about some Dire Straits and the Sultans of Swing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54RxRIDvHY

    • Missionary Kid

      Mid teens? 1960. The Twist, Theme from A Summer Place, Tossing and Turning, It’s Now or Never, I Can’t Stop Loving you, Stagger Lee, Donna, Smoke Gets in Your Eyes, A Teenager in Love, 16 Candles, Sea of Love, (Till) I Kissed You’ Thank you Google.

      Stagger Lee was originally written in 1895, Smoke Gets in Your Eyes, in the 20s. I thought they were contemporary.

      You probably know Sea of Love and 16 Candles from movies. Movies recycle a lot of tunes.

      • James Morris

        You kinda overlap me. You must be my dads age. Some of the song you named were covered by the following generation.
        I’d say…Korean war?

        • Missionary Kid

          I was born in 1945, graduated from Jr. High in ’59. Sophmore in high school 59-60. Korean War was 1950-53.

          I was a little young for Elvis, but a lot of Doo Wop was popular. The Twist changed everything, but there were a lot of black singers who were changing the music scene.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Stagger Lee…Nick Cave’s version is my favorite (released when I was just out of my teens, but close enough).

        • Missionary Kid

          Nick Cave’s version was 100 years after the first version. I happen to like Lloyd Price’s version, but, of course, I was imprinted with it. His was only 63 years after it first appeared.

        • Missionary Kid

          I listened to Nick’s version. I like his other music better.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            It does fit well on a record called “Murder Ballads,” though, doesn’t it? ; )

            • Missionary Kid

              It does.

      • salin

        Lol – I know many of those – probably from movies. Later sixties music (doors, beatles, joplin and Hendrix) through a retro craze in the early 80s – when the music became party anthems.

        Funny how that age difference meant so much in the midteens. By the time we hit middle age… that age difference starts to melt away. Until we talk about the music and movies of our youth – which reinvokes that sense of how the decade +/- meant such a big difference.

        • Missionary Kid

          I was in my second year of college when the Beatles hit. Before they came here, someone had a sign in their window, “The Beatles is coming.” I thought that their grammar was poor when I first saw it.

          That same year, these two “hippies” who lived in the apartment next to me were playing what sounded from a distance like hillbilly music to me. I went in to ask them about it and got introduced to Dylan.

          When I looked up Stagger Lee, the number of people and bands that have recorded it is phenomenal. Probably, the worst (which I gladly don’t remember) is one done by Pat Boone. He could make Soul music sound so whitebread and bland it’s revolting.

          I seem to remember that the asshole sergeant in Good Morning, Vietnam liked Pat Boone. ‘Nuff said?

          • salin

            Love your recollections. Such interesting context for your introduction to the music of future icons.

            Mine are so meager in comparison.

            Only one of note – girl in the freshman dorm was local to – and an original fan club member (officer?) for “Johnny Cougar”. In the course of the year he broke into mainstream, and by the end of college (or shortly thereafter) he had broken from his mold of pop-star “Johnny Cougar” – to John Cougar Mellancamp with his Scarecrow album – then to John Mellencamp.

            Oh – perhaps also having someone blast the B-52s Rock Lobster into the grassy area between ‘the quad’ (three dorms) during a rainstorm/mud tag football game, as the introduction to this new (then odd – but rocking) genre of music. Keep in mind in the middle of the country it took a few years for trends to penetrate.

            • Missionary Kid

              Just after I got out of the Marines, I had a friend who’d gone to school with me before, and we got together and hit a bar close to (then) L.A. State.

              There was a great band there, and what I really liked was that in between cover tunes, they played their own stuff. They had a large brass section. At the time, they were known as CTA. In the next few weeks, they played at the Whiskey and hit it big. They had to drop their full name and go by Chicago, because they got sued by the Chicago Transit Authority. That was pure chance. The bar had a typical 60’s name: Itchy Foot Moe’s.

            • Robert Eckert

              You stayed there until 25-or-6 to 4?

            • salin

              That is so cool.

          • Robert Eckert

            Gail & Dale do “a modern spiritual”:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkCaAnIcDWw

            • Missionary Kid

              Pat Boone is worse. Listen to his rendition of Tutti Fruitti.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwBa8Pqi6Y

            • Robert Eckert

              As with the Welk version of “One Toke” it is evident that the singer has no clue what the song is about.

        • Missionary Kid

          I actually walked out on a Cream concert. They had already announced that they were breaking up, and I felt I could have stayed at home and listened to the album, and they were just phoning it in.

          Buddy Miles and Electric Flag was the opening act.

      • Robert Eckert

        Jethro Tull, Thick as a Brick
        Moody Blues, In Search of the Lost Chord
        Yes, Close to the Edge
        Traffic, Low Spark of High Heeled Boys
        Emerson Lake & Palmer, Brain Salad Surgery

        • Missionary Kid

          I was back in college after the Marines, had graduated, and was married and in grad school when most of them were popular.

          • Robert Eckert

            You’re making me feel young!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve listened to a lot of Rock ‘n Roll. I’m 70, so I should make you feel young.

  • Rasha

    Night, Bunks. Rasha gonna drift off to the sound of rain. Y’all stay polite and nasty. 😉

    • Sound of rain is the best sound. Sweet dreams.

    • Jimmy3

      aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh beeeees!,!!! Beeeeeeeeeeeessss!!!!
      http://youtu.be/3qVPNONdF58

      • beauty for ashes

        Dude~ bees are good. Just ask a hipster beekeeper.

        • Jimmy3

          Did you know that Einstein said bees would kill him and all humans within 4 years? He was right.

  • AngryElf
    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      They really pulled that one in, huh?

      • Missionary Kid

        Low stats.

      • Frodis73

        Snickersnort. I’d love to walk in and ask them which one of you db’s pulled this in? I’m sure they’d freak out.

    • Missionary Kid

      It was a Thetan driving. The reason nobody got hurt was that there was nobody there, as usual.

      Of course, nobody’s OT powers could describe him, with their perfect memory.

      • AngryElf

        Sadly enough, they’ll clean up the glass, prop up the crappy furniture and be back on the streets offering personality tests in the morning as the kids hit campus. Maybe I’ll head down there in the morning. I feel a good shit stirring coming on.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      No, Bob, you’re doing the OT stuff all wrong. You are supposed to postulate the parking place on the street, not IN the Org. Flunk!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      The news story states the police have no description of the driver. Something is not adding up. The church has cameras everywhere inside but none outside? People inside the church knew the car was outside for 30 minutes and still didn’t take a photo or write the license plate numbers down?

      • Missionary Kid

        What about the omnipresent video cameras?

      • Frodis73

        Good point, they have cameras everywhere…except when it’s not convenient for them.

        • Kay

          laugh….true !

      • Kay

        Yeah I think it’s bogus….

      • AngryElf

        It isn’t like it’s the middle of the night either. This is the main drag on campus and usually pretty active. Its not an easy location to smash a car into. I’m still trying to figure out how it happened.

  • beauty for ashes

    Bunker Nap Tech successfully vanquished my migraine!!
    **Any resemblance between this hamster and Hamtaro is purely coincidental.** F5

    • Frodis73

      Look at that sweet guinea pig. Squeak!!!

      • Judith Sylvester

        Guinea pigs have such happy temperaments.

        • OOkpik

          Not all of them. My sister’s would take a hunk out of anyone at any opportunity.

    • Kay

      Cuteness

    • OOkpik

      More cuteness…

      • beauty for ashes

        I think this beats mine. <3

        • OOkpik

          Nooooo. Together they’re a veritable symphony of cuteness. No losers here! 🙂

          • beauty for ashes

            I have a soft spot in my heart for king Charles cavalier spaniels, especially the Blenheim~ orange, black and white. That’s what that guinea pig reminded me of. 😉

    • kemist

      That’s no hamster…

      It’s a space station guinea pig.

  • THIS JUST IN:

    AUSTIN (KXAN) — A car crashed into the Church of Scientology building at the intersection of Guadalupe Street and W. 22nd Street Monday night.

    The incident was reported to authorities at 9:00 p.m. No one was hurt in the crash, Austin Police says.

    Church employees saw the vehicle parked in the street for half an hour before it crashed through the glass front door, went through the elevator lobby and crashed into furniture.

    Authorities say the driver left the scene in a gold colored four-door sedan. No description of the driver was available.

    http://kxan.com/2015/12/14/car-crashes-into-scientology-building-police-are-searching-for-driver/

    PIC

    edit:… do you think they’ve got so desperate that they’re resorting back to some of their old ‘persecution tactics’?

    • … amazing, this spooked me out a little… the map of the accident has my avatar on it [yeah, yeah, internet and all that… mildly disturbing though]

      pic

      • Kay

        That IS sort of spooky.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Well, if your avatar matches the description of the perp, then I’d love to hear that APB, it’s gotta be a doozy! 🙂

    • Kay

      Maybe it was that Jewish businessman again…….

      • I left this comment {and I edited the typo}

        pic

        • Kay

          Good comment. I think the whole thing sounds fishy. The map, the leaving in another car, the fact that no one was hurt. Too convenient.

          • … this is the really telling part:

            Kathy Norman, one of the Church of Scientology of Texas’ board of directors, says she believes the crash was “deliberate”

            this should really read:

            Kathy Norman, one of the Church of Scientology of Texas’ board of directors, was told to say she believes the crash was “deliberate”

            • Kay

              eye roll

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Does Kinky Friedman have an alibi tonight? 😉

    • Sejanus

      When I crash into cult buildings I use a tank and leave in a helicopter,
      so it wasn’t me…lol

      That can be very upstat though…

      Number of car collision completions..

      This week 1
      Last week 0
      Week before 0

      Good for them!

    • Sid (Phil)

      “We need to renovate the lobby. Is our insurance paid up?”

    • madame duran

      The same thing happened in Toronto a while ago (2 or 3 years?). Strange. Wouldn’t be surprised if the cult deliberately caused the accident to collect insurance money for the purpose of paying for renovations or buying the Ideal Org property.

      • Bunker Buggy Betsy

        They need to do something weird to play for sympathy. They’re gonna scream “religious persecution” no matter what.

        Could be someone whose life they’ve destroyed. Wouldn’t be the first time that’s happened. Just glad no one what hurt. No samurai swords or guns, this time!!!

    • Pete Griffiths posted more photos on SP’s R Us… people actually checking it out

    • madame duran

      Just listened to the local news report. Of course nobody got hurt…THE ORG IS VIRTUALLY EMPTY!!!
      It was reported that a Scientology worker noticed the car parked in front for 30 minutes before the crash. If the car’s presence was that noteworthy or roused suspicion, why didn’t the worker make note of the car license plate or identify the driver (being the paranoid freaks that they are)? Org workers can identify a known SP like Tory Christman within a couple of minutes but they can’t I.D. this crash driver at all? I dunno. It sounds fishy.

    • Juicer77

      I’m glad no one was hurt. From the way it went down, I predict it was a Public member who has had all the money sucked out of them, has had enough and finally got so desperately angry they did this. Totally my supposition, no evidence at all. If this is the case the Co$ will know who it was and report them to the police, while suing for millions in damages to “valuable property.”

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Why would somebody be staring at parked cars outside at 8-9 pm? And if you are that paranoid, how could you not get a description of the driver? SMH

        • Juicer77

          Wanna bet this person has been there repeatedly within the last few days or weeks trying to get a refund on services or donations? That’s my wild and crazy theory.

          • Graham

            So basically the Scieno’s pulled it in!

    • Graham

      “do you think they’ve got so desperate that they’re resorting back to some of their old ‘persecution tactics’?”

      Let’s see if the police find Paulette’s fingerprints on a piece of paper ‘accidentally’ left on the front seat.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Still from surveillance camera footage just in – this is gonna get ugly…
      (refresh)
      http://www.dailypspmovie.com/images/2011/20110628-alien-in-the-car.jpg

      • Juicer77

        *snort* Who needs a Marcabian spaceship when you got a ’72 Buick?

      • Juicer77

        (f5)

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Well of course no one was hurt…

    • 0tessa

      An unhappy customer?

  • Bernie

    Years ago a WISE rep approached my husband to join because he had his own business as a single entrepreneur. This rep showed up late at night. One regging premise was that if one used TR’s in business then they were obliged to be part of WISE, and of course then be subject to a 10% tithe. The rep had an LRH policy for which the distribution was WISE only and not the public. When my husband pointed out that the policy was for the reg and not him, the guy could not agree. He wouldn’t take no for an answer and had to be asked to leave. It was only about a stat, only about the money.

    • OOkpik

      He He He, TRed him right out the door.:)

  • Sejanus

    TC the Unifang should wear that adorable thing everywhere……lol
    What a Froot Loop

    • Kay

      I think he should get matching earrings…..

      • Kay

        And….a coordinating Hermes clutch bag…

  • edge

    After visiting Mike Rinder’s today, I wonder if Tom has an exclusive collection of those Puerto Rican mine rocks that are so blessed, er, I mean, theta because Ron stepped on them or saw them.

    • It’s a mine full of pieces of blue sky.

      • edge

        Well, if they’re going down this road, I suggest selling blades of grass from Saint Hill or used bottles that used to house Ron’s ‘pinks and greys’.

  • I KNEW IT!!!!!

    pic

    plus late night gif http://i.imgur.com/yrDKqqf.gifv

    • kemist

      So that’s why he’s always pissed.

      Waxing that off must be hellish.

  • Ah, the financial nous of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.

    In other news, as shown on Mike Rinder’s site, “rocks from a mining site where Ron was” were auctioned off in Puerto Rico. That’s going to raise a lot of clams!

    http://mypullzsone.mikerindersblog.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/OTC2.jpg

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Good Grief! Check out the Charlie Brown Christmas tree at the Chicago CO$. Why even bother, if you can’t do better than that? Sheesh!
    (refresh)

    • Missionary Kid

      Pretty good, for an R6 implant.

  • Tory Christman

    A message to the few peeps still trapped “in” the “church” of $cientology,
    especially all those forking out endless $$$$ to “dave”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Z5cbqinr8
    Don’t forget the heart 🙂
    Merry Christmas!!

    • Juicer77

      Merry Christmas, Mr. Anonymoose!
      Life is indeed, moving on!

      • Tory Christman

        Mr Anonymoose thanks you, Juicer77! 🙂 And he wishes you
        Merry Christmas, too, as do I.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And a Merry Christmas to you!

      • Tory Christman

        Thank you, Douglas 🙂 I appreciate your wishes!

    • Cece

      Thank you Tory. You lit up my living room with that one 🙂 It’s so nice to really truly enjoy a Christmas ‘out here’. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

      • Tory Christman

        Hey thank you, Cece! You all *always* surprise me, in a wonderful way, too!
        Thank you ALL…and Merrrrrrry Christmas!

  • Sejanus

    Where do they keep finding suckers shorter than Unifang?

    • kemist

      India, China and Bengladesh.

      Places where the population has been underfed in their last few generetions.

      Mmmm… Perhaps that’s the purpose of the Sea Org.

  • John McGhee

    Hope the driver and the car are okay; commendation to the driver.
    http://kxan.com/2015/12/14/car-crashes-into-scientology-building-police-are-searching-for-driver/

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Absolutely–those plate glass doors can leave a nasty scratch on the paintwork!
      “And here are the scores for artistic impression: 5.9, 5.9, 6.0 from the East German Judge, 5.9, and 6.0 from Japan.” 🙂

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Intergalactic Walrus

      FYI – The caption for the Mexican Narconon translates to:
      “The donation was 300,000 pesos to equip facilities NARCONO Navojoa.

      Today Narconon Navojoa reinauguraron with Municipal State authorities as well as the presence of the Local Representative for District 20 Ana Luisa Valdés Aviles . navojoasonora #navojoaa”

      ETA: 300,000 Mexican Pesos equals 17,383.80 US Dollars

    • Graham

      So, the corporate colour for New Ideal Narconon is Exorcist Green?

    • Missionary Kid

      You saw Tony’s page for you, didn’t you?

  • Tony Ortega

    Paging Intergalactic Walrus. Please drop me a line.

  • WOG3232

    I was in a long term relationship with the “COO” of a WISE managed dentist office. The day I walked into their office and saw the “Tone Scale” on the wall I knew it was over. This person was originally brought into it over 24 years ago and has
    very little chance of ever getting out. By then I had done a ton of
    reading and homework on the cult. It wasn’t the only reason I ended up breaking it off but it definitely played a part in it. This person wasn’t a conventional COO by any stretch. This person once told me what their WISE Management title was but I’ve forgotten it. Curious to know if anyone here would know what it might have been. This person was responsible for “ensuring everyone had what they needed to be productive”. I’ve seen the name of the owner posted on several SCIO websites in the past as a large contributor to the cult. They force the employees to take courses and go to seminars on the days they aren’t working. Their website even has the Master Tech PPA Questionnaire on it.

    http://www.brightsidedental.com/about-us/careers/

    • Cece

      Maybe that post title would be Org Establishment Secretary OES or Esto for short. Good on your figuring it out and not getting socked in.

  • Gus_Cox

    10 Fred King – Silkin Management 10

    Wow, Fred the Kung Fu dude from Portland is in on this shit?

    12 Bill Kilpatrick – Management Success 7

    Kilpatrick is one of the biggest assholes I’ve ever met.

  • Cristin

    I briefly worked for a dentist in Canada and got sent to Clearwater “for training”. Mge hell. I was stuck there for a week because they held my return ticket until it was time to leave. I was there 10 minutes and realized it was scientology. When a contract states “I understand and agree this isn’t the church of scientology” it is. Pretended for a week got home told my boss it’s totally scientology she said no it not a few times and then said she doesn’t care . I said I’m never going back and got fired the next day (I knew I had to quit anyway…. Just being around them was too much). Those people in Clearwater totally brainwashed, felt sorry for some but mostly angry because I knew who knew it was a total money scam…f’in liars. That dentist is in for a huge awakening. Worst experience ever.

    • Avid Miskaridge

      I’d like to avoid that dentist can you FB me please. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010731735759

      Thank you.

      • Cristin

        With any dentist ask if they go for training in Clearwater dead giveaway . Plus. They use words like “mass ” they will be describing your reluctance to pay with stupid plastic unrelated objects… Demonstrating Your ISSUES …Talk to you like your 4.. They will want to define things for you .. Their definitions are made up… If they start telling you it’s old English run like hell. It’s a lie and they are super brainwashed . Plus you’ll already be suspicious because they are trying to talk you into is thousands of dollars of dental work telling you to commit now, pay now, work gets done later. But really the easiest is to say your thinking of vacationing in Clearwater if they say they go all the time you need to get out now.

        • Avid Miskaridge

          Thank you 😉

  • Cristin

    Funniest part occurred when someone tried to tell me lrh was a engineer and I laughed so hard and said my dad’s an engineer lrh is not. They didn’t think it was funny at all.