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Strange scenes from the Moscow hearing that banned Scientology yesterday

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Yesterday, some of our commenters seemed confused that your proprietor wasn’t celebrating the news coming out of Russia that a Moscow city court had called for Scientology to be banned and its Ideal Org in that city to be shut down within six months. (Scientology vowed to appeal.)

An Ideal Org, vaporized? What an affront to Scientology leader David Miscavige, right? So what gives with the grumpy reaction, Ortega?

Let us spell out a little more clearly why we greet any news from Vlad Putin’s dystopic fief with extreme skepticism and dread. It’s because Russia, and its news media in particular, is a Bizarro World where up is down, and nothing is as it seems.

We have personal experience with this. A year ago or so, we had our one and only interaction with a Russian media outlet. (Keep in mind, there is no independent media in Russia, there are only organizations that serve at the pleasure of Putin’s Kremlin.) They wanted to speak with us because we’re the only news outlet in the world which has actually talked to a member of Ukraine Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk’s family about the persistent and years-old rumor that he was secretly a high-level Scientologist.

This rumor claimed that Yatsenyuk’s sister, who lived in Santa Barbara, was herself an “OT” and had extensive Scientology involvement. We not only found no evidence of this, which would be unlikely if she did have such a long involvement, but we also got her daughter, Yatsenyuk’s niece, on the phone, and she denied that the family had any involvement in Scientology, and she did it in fairly convincing fashion, we thought.

But the rumor is still very popular in Russia, where there’s a lot of bad feeling about the Ukraine, and they’d love to believe that Yatsenyuk is a Scientology puppet — and worse, that Yatsenyuk is then a puppet of the US through its glam-celebrity rockin’ church. When the Moscow news outlet interviewed us, we made it clear that this was all a pile of steaming manure, and that there was no actual evidence that the Yatsenyuk family had ever been involved in Scientology. Amazingly, when the segment aired, they made it look like the American Scientology expert completely endorsed the idea that Yatsenyuk had been indoctrinated into the church through his family. Well, we learned our lesson.

Anyway, there were similar levels of farce served up in at least one Russian media treatment of yesterday’s decision in a Moscow courtroom. We learned from the outlet Vesti that the hearing lasted some seven hours, and Scientology was represented by five lawyers. As you can see in the image from the courtroom, the Scientologists were out in force and sporting hilariously prominent jewelry in an attempt to give the idea that they were part of a bona fide religion.

 
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But the bullpucky was evident on both sides. Vesti interviewed anti-cult professor Alexander Dvorkin, who calmly asserted that Scientology was a CIA front. (We met Dvorkin in Toronto at Jon Atack’s conference. He has also asserted in the Russian media that not only is Yatsenyuk a Scientologist, but that the CIA controls Yatsenyuk — and thus Ukraine — through Scientology.)

 
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That led to a comical scene with the Vesti reporter asking, quite seriously, the Scientology-cross wearing dude about the “information” that Scientology was a CIA front. The dude’s laughter appeared to be quite genuine.

 
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In other words, the scene on the ground there at the Moscow courtroom was a lot weirder than we heard about in stories by the Associated Press and the Guardian.

The thing is, the Moscow court’s decision — that because Scientology operates under a US trademark, it violates Russia’s concepts of religious freedom — is really a fascinating one, and of course it’s really interesting to see David Miscavige facing the prospect of his Ideal Org being shut down. But Russia has tried numerous times to shut down Scientology, and Scientology has found succor in the European Court of Human Rights because Russia tends to do things with a lack of due process.

The Netherlands took a similar step recently and found that the exorbitant prices Scientology charges demonstrate that it’s a business, not a religion. But rather than ban Scientology, the country stripped the church of its tax-exempt status. That should accelerate what’s already happening there as well as most places around the world — Scientology’s rapid decline.

But if there’s one place in the world where Scientology is shrinking more slowly, it’s in Russia, where we’ve seen evidence that Scientology and its WISE business front group can still put together a sizable rally of believers. We can’t help wondering if the government’s heavy-handed tactics aren’t at least in part responsible. On the other hand, our Russian-language department assures us that the Russian government really could shut down Scientology if this decision holds up, and told us, “If Putin uttered even a word publicly about it with his own mouth, Scientology would be kaput.”

So we’ll keep an open mind that Scientology really could be on the ropes in Russia. But you’ll excuse us for remaining skeptical.

 
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Playwright Brandon Ogborn let us know that you can now own the script to his hilarious production, The TomKat Project. Available at Amazon, the book captures what some of us experienced here during an Underground Bunker field trip: Ogborn’s really original and clever take on Scientology and its celebrity culture. Here’s what we said at the time:

Ogborn not only wrote this cutting examination of tabloid news culture and celebrity worship, but he also narrates it on stage — although “narrates” doesn’t really quite capture what he’s doing up there. Perhaps a better description is that he guides, cajoles, castigates, and ultimately upends the story as it’s happening.

Now you can own a piece of that performance in book form. And just in time for Christmas!

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FHCabanasBabywatch, day six: Lisa McPherson in Room 174

Around two or three in the morning on Friday, November 24, 1995, an odd scene unfolded outside of Room 174 at the Fort Harrison Hotel which is described by Janet Reitman in her book Inside Scientology.

Sam Ghiora, a Flag security staffer, was seated on a small bench outside of Lisa’s room when he heard a doorknob rattle. Slowly, the door to room 174 opened, and Lisa stood at the threshold, fully dressed.

“Hey, she said calmly, walking a few steps toward him. “You’re not CMO.”

“You’re right,” Ghiora said. He was not a member of the Commodore’s Messenger Organization but a new Flag security trainee.

“You can’t tell me what to do,” Lisa said.

“You’re right,” Ghiora said again. He knew that he’d broken protocol by speaking to her, but he was momentarily shocked: How had she just walked out of the room? Where were her minders? Ghiora gently put his hand on Lisa’s shoulder and steered her back toward her room. She stopped at the threshold. “I just don’t know what’s happening,” she said.

Ghiora said nothing.

“Could you help me?”

Nothing.

“I need help, she said, and slowly entering the room, shut the door.

Ghiora then talked to Janis Johnson, who had been in the room, and she said she had not expected Lisa to just walk out.

Leslie Woodcraft joined Janis Johnson on that shift, but she was just there a short time before she was relieved by another caretaker, Joan Stevens.

Joan had been in Scientology since 1975 and joined the Sea Org in 1976. She had moved to Clearwater in 1993.

When she first entered Room 174, replacing Woodcraft, she was wearing a coat with a blue emblem, and Lisa came up to her and touched it, saying “Oh, that is beautiful.”

Joan heard water running in the bathroom, and Janis told her they let Lisa run the faucet because it seemed to calm her. Janis left about a half hour after she came on, and Joan was there until about 11 in the morning.

Joan found Lisa to be incoherent and violent. At one point, Lisa tried to gouge Joan’s eyes out, which she managed to avoid, but she ended up with a black eye. Another time, Lisa tried to deck her with a potted plant.

Lisa talked and talked without making sense. On occasion, she would say, “I’m having a bad hair day.”

At one point, Lisa took off all her clothes and went to the cabana’s sliding glass window and was trying to leave. “I had to close the curtain and get her away from the window,” Joan told police later.

At 7 in the morning, Joan ordered some pancakes for Lisa, who then began shoving her breakfast into her mouth so crazily, it frightened Joan.

Near the end of Joan’s shift, Lisa was getting more violent and Joan needed help. She asked Sam to find Paul Kellerhals, a senior officer. He came into the darkened room, and saw that there was water all over the place, and broken glass. (And he confirmed that this was Friday morning, November 24.) Joan told him that Lisa had broken the light fixtures and the bulbs, which explained the glass shards, and that she’d been flooding the room with water from the bathroom. Then Lisa attacked him, hitting his face, pulling on his tie, and grabbing the pen from his shirt pocket.

Paul managed to put her down on the bed and held her there while Joan and another woman who had arrived cleaned up the water and glass. Paul held Lisa there for most of an hour.

After her shift was over, Joan wrote a report and sent it to Marcus Quirino, Director of Processing. She wanted to warn someone that Lisa McPherson needed more help than she was getting.

That report was not turned over to police, who asked Joan about it. Had she been trying to get word out that Lisa needed urgent medical care that she wasn’t getting? Joan denied that, saying by “help,” she just meant something somewhat vague.

Q. Did she need more help than she was getting?
A. I have no clue.
Q. It is your statement, I’m just trying to find out, did she need more help than was there at that time, in your opinion? Because you are the one that said, “Boy, I looked at her and she needed help.” More than was there at the time?
A. I actually don’t have any way to judge that. I don’t know.

Whatever kind of “help” Joan actually asked for in her report, it was ignored anyway, apparently. And Lisa’s confinement continued.

 
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Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 24, 2015 at 07:00

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  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Any word on the Brussels court case today?

  • jane456

    Whatever is going on in Russia….they seem to know enough not to want an organization that actually infiltrated a government and that has it’s own pretty effective spy wing. I still can’t get over the shit they get away with in this country. Right or wrong, former KGB Putin does not seem like someone who would tolerate that.

  • nottrue

    You know what is coming now…” Help save Scientology in Russia “

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Even a whale can get exhausted.

      • Rasha

        …which makes them more vulnerable and pliable. Run ’em around a pole, and reg ’em at the door!

    • Rasha

      …darn! And all I have is five hundred million in Habbo Hotel credits! Sorry, IAS!!!! (I do have a bitcoin, but I’m having that mounted and framed for future generations.)

    • Mockingbird

      Calling Duggan, brother can you spare twenty million ?

      • Liberated

        You read my mind !

        • Mockingbird

          🙂

    • Mockingbird

      Maybe Congress can take the money they cut from veterans and social security and give it to DM. Oh wait they already gave it to giant corporations, you know like the pensions of workers the CEOs took as bonuses. Between them and their banker friends there is no money left for anyone else.

    • Observer
    • Sherbet

      Frickin’ Rooski bigots!

    • aegerprimo

      How about Carte Blanche and Diner’s Club?
      errr… LOL

  • Panopea Abrupta

    First news report on Belgium (Google translate):

    “The prosecutor said Tuesday that the prosecution of Scientology European Office had to be declared inadmissible. ”

    “The prosecutor also concluded that in its view it was necessary to remove a series of church files, he cited on the prevention of non-compliance with legislation on the protection of privacy.In other words, according to the prosecutor, it can not be proved that the documents used to commit the offense in question.”

    “Tuesday night, the president of the tribunal, Yves Régimont, granted the federal prosecutor again Wednesday morning to complete his indictment.
    Throughout the day Tuesday, the president but also the defense lawyers protested against the unclear way, laborious and extremely long that the prosecutor presented his submissions.”

    http://www.lavenir.net/cnt/dmf20151124_00740773

  • Grumpy

    Does the jewellery mean anything (ie status or importance within scientology) or is it just the equivalent of say a catholic wearing a crucifix pendant that that they like? Some business contacts of mine are wearing large gaudy scientology crosses just like that over their ties in facebook pictures. Not sure if that’s a bad sign or not. Also noticing those photos in a roundabout way got me to find this site recently, where I have learned a great deal from all of the posts and the thoughtful and eloquent comments. I feel like I’m butting in slightly, but thanks for that.

    • Rasha

      Not butting in at all. Great question!

    • Sherbet

      Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s just an attempt to scream, “We’re a real religion!” at the public. We are not fooled.

      • Rasha

        ….let’s see…. “attempt”…”scream”…. “religion”… Nope! No correction, needed. Carry on. ^_^

    • dagobarbz

      It’s just a prop they use to fool people into thinking they’re all ‘religiousy.’

      • Grumpy

        Thanks. They’re attention grabbers alright. Wonder what they’re made of.

        • Sherbet

          Have you ever seen a scientology minister in his churchly vestments? That’s a real riot.

        • dagobarbz

          Seafood. Clams, specifically.

        • Observer

          Children’s college funds and inheritances.

      • aegerprimo

        And then people see them as creepy.

        • dagobarbz

          That also works to our advantage! 🙂

          • aegerprimo

            YEP! ☺

    • aegerprimo

      The jewelry and uniforms are FAKE (and creepy).

      Check out this Underground Bunker article….

      When Scientology was pouring on the ‘religious’ angle very thick: A video mystery
      http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/21/when-scientology-was-pouring-on-the-religious-angle-very-thick-a-video-mystery/

      http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Sci1972.jpg

      • Sherbet

        Didn’t I see this dude on the original “Dark Shadows”? No? He’s right out of Central Casting.

        • aegerprimo

          Even creepier, watch the video on that page!

          • Sherbet

            For some reason, it won’t load. I think Reverend Emaciated broke it.

            • aegerprimo

              Tony WEBMASTER ALERT!

        • KingofSweden

          I think that’s Grand Moff Tarkin (before the promotion).

    • SciWatcher

      “Not sure if that’s a bad sign or not”

      I would say it probably is 😉

      • Grumpy

        Yeah, I’ve now decided they’re not getting any more of my business. And learned something. And they still have nice pics of their missuses swooning over their cross-wearing selves. So …… everyone’s …… happy?

  • Margie8

    OK, now this is some bullshit. God isn’t in Scientology and everyone knows it so how do these people in Russia (or anywhere for that matter) get away with the little crosses and claims of religion?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The cross has been used as a symbol by other religions, even before Christians began using it. In fact, Christians originally avoided it, preferring the fish symbol in the early church.

      Officially, the Scientology cross with its eight points represents the eight point dynamics of life as defined by L. Ron Hubbard. Why one of these points is longer than the others, however, is anybody’s guess.

      It has been pointed out that the Scientology cross with secondary cross (or, as some call it, the “crossed-out cross) is pretty much a dead ringer for a symbol used by Aleister Crowley on his Tarot deck. It was also popular with Rosicrucians. For those who are deeply interested in the occult aspects of Dianetics, the Scientology cross is a potent source of rabbit holes…

      • Ella Raitch

        Why one of these points is longer than the others, however, is anybody’s guess

        *snort*

      • Margie8

        Thanks, DDD, interesting! I just read, I think by Tony, that the 8th point is the only one that could even be remotely attached to God? My Church doesn”t use the cross:

        “The cross is used in many Christian churches as a symbol of the Savior’s death and Resurrection and as a sincere expression of faith. As members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we also remember with reverence the suffering of the Savior. But because the Savior lives, we do not use the symbol of His death as the symbol of our faith. The only members of the Church who wear the symbol of the cross are Latter-day Saint chaplains, who wear it on their military uniforms to show that they are Christian chaplains.”

      • I take a more pragmatic approach.

        Hubbard decided to pretend Scientology was a religion for tax purposes. Since almost all of its teachings are secret (until you pay for them) and it’s symbols unfamiliar to the public he modified the one symbol that says ‘religion’ across the US. He was aware of Crowley’s version and, never a man to think when he could plagiarise, adopted that.

        If he had thought about it, it might have occurred to him that adopting an occult symbol might play badly in the US if a comparison was ever made. However, this was L Ron Hubbard”s SOP. Do the job with minimal effort, take all the credit and move on. If it goes wrong, blame SP’s.

  • Dean Fox

    Vlad Putin is a no nonsense hard ass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUqaGjgA8BU

    • aegerprimo

      So why is he not wearing a hard hat?

      • madame duran

        When you have a heard head, you don’t need a hard hat. 😉

        • aegerprimo

          Oh! Right!

    • anoni81b4u

      putin is an asshole … I like his style … except for the kgb secret bad stuff 🙂

  • Observer

    Sooper Powered OT John Mappin foresees a Trump presidential dynasty.

    refresh

    • flyonthewall

      me thinketh Mappin has a crush

      • Observer

        On The Donald? I agree.

        • beauty for ashes

          “Oh yesssss, I quite like Donald Trump, he’s yelly and narcissistic just like L. Ron Hubbard.” ~John Mappin

          • Observer

            Bahaha!

    • aegerprimo

      Ugh.

    • 9001

      If I can answer Mappin’s question…No.

    • anoni81b4u

      Is that trumps wife or his daughter ?

      • Observer

        His daughter Ivanka.

    • Ella Raitch

      Ingratiating and sycophantic – two words that are far too fine to waste on this idiot

    • Frodis73

      What kind of drug is this fool on? Oh my lord, what an idiot.

      • SciWatcher

        Scientology. Just say no.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Well of course Obs, only a Scientologist, who lives in a run down castle in the UK knows what’s best for the United States government. LOL

      Perhaps he’ll donate a Ted Stourton butterfly & glitter nightmare to the White House art collection. 😀

      • Sid (Phil)

        He’s going to convert the Oval Office into a light room.

    • beauty for ashes

      Yes exactly what America needs, a luxury jewelry and fashion designer, to run the COUNTRY! dafuq?

    • Sherbet

      A hot dog celebration, in keeping with the classy ambiance of the Castle.

      • romanesco

        Right? Can’t they afford cheeseburgers?

        • Sherbet

          I was guessing steak and kidney pie would be on the menu. Not hot dogs or cheeseburgers.

          Edit: Maybe Mappin is thinking “American celebration.”

          • romanesco

            I got the impression they’d be trying to make it American-themed.

            • Sherbet

              Yes, that just sank into my thick brain.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yep. Mappin is the White Castle of Scientology’s banquet.

    • Eclipse-girl

      John Mappin is VERY stupid.

      Trump is a fascist. Those of us who oppose him may be silent, for fear of being beaten. But we understand the freedom of the voting booth.

    • salin

      John, have a little whip cream and a cherry on top of that delusion.

      • Observer

        How’s your mom doing?

        • Sherbet

          Read the newer posts. salin’s Mom passed away, Obs.

          • Observer

            I didn’t see it. 🙁

        • salin

          She is at peace – released from her coma.

          • Observer

            Oh, I’m so sorry. If you posted it earlier I didn’t see it. {{{{hugs}}}}

    • KingofSweden

      HA! Trump will never, ever, EVER be President of the United States of America. Period. No matter what.

      • skiesareblue

        I second that.

    • salin

      Just ran across this. Don’t love John Kasich – but – this is courageous for a GOP candidate/rival – and very powerful. Guessing we will read some hard hitting snark from Trump about Kasich within the next day or so

      https://youtu.be/qCQhBYEMRQI

  • new bollocks https://www.scientologybollocks.com/?p=6543

    bonus gif where’d it go http://i.imgur.com/lRpe3d3.gif

    + I’m trying Comic Life software for mac and used todays photos and text to experiment with … put this together in a few minutes so it might be a bit disjointed

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I’ve tried to get my brain to accept the incoming data synch of inside out Russia paranoia and the everything backwardness of scientology opposite land. It’s getting late and that little circle thingy is still spinning. Glad to see others have tackled this one.

    I finally have to admit I can’t do it. It’s like finding yourself humming the melody and groovin’ to the beat of that song you hate so much, and you can’t stop. Yeah, that’s what it’s like.

    http://i.imgur.com/ey5rf2E.gif

  • Frodis73

    Was flipping channels and I guess ET has some fluff piece about TC and Top Gun coming up. Just an fyi if anybody is interested…

    • Sherbet

      I’d rather watch a History Channel program on the origin of poop jokes.

      • beauty for ashes

        Is there one? Damn just lost that channel! Looking through the Smithsonian magazine with King Tut on the cover. I think they missed out on that facet of history. 😉

        • Sherbet

          I apologize for the vulgarity. But I can’t watch Cruise, no matter what.

          • beauty for ashes

            What? No I love poop jokes. Seriously! I have IBS. You have to laugh. My sister says to me last time she visited,
            SIS~ Beauty~ your bathroom looks like an office.
            me~ Well I spend so much time in there!
            SIS~ I know right? ** laughing**

      • Frodis73

        I’m with you and the poop program. I know some like to keep tabs on him and the press though.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Oh no, is that sequel really happening?! Please tell me KilmerKilmer is not involved.

  • Just a random pic for your pleasure..

    • aegerprimo

      Appropriate.

  • J. Swift

    Putin: Heads world’s 8th largest army.

    Miscavige: Heads the Sea Org, a religious paramilitary group.

    ****
    Putin 1970: Former: “In 1970, Vladimir Putin became a student of law department at Leningrad State University, earning his degree in 1975. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Mr Putin studied at KGB School No. 1 in Moscow.”

    Miscavige 1976: Drops out school in the 9th grade.

    *****
    Putin 1997: “In March 1997, he was appointed Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office and Chief of Main Control Directorate. Busy with work as he was, he still found time to defend his doctoral thesis on economics at the St Petersburg State Mining Institute.” Note: While Dr. Putin has an earned doctorate, instances of plagiarism in his doctoral thesis have been established.

    Miscavige: 1997: Implicated in the death of Lisa McPherson.

    ****
    Putin 1999: Appointed Prime Minister of the Russian Government.

    Miscavige 1999: In his 1999 declaration in the Wollersheim case, David Miscavige absurdly argued that his authority does not come from being Captain of the Sea Org. Instead, Miscavige propounds the falsehood that he only runs RTC, the “ecclesiastical” aspect of the Church. See: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/25/1999-deposition-of-david-miscavige-in-the-wollersheim-case/

    *****
    Putin 2000: Vladimir Putin was elected President of Russia on March 26, 2000, and was re-elected to a second term on March 14, 2004. On May 8, 2008, he was appointed Prime Minister by presidential executive order.

    Miscavige 2000: Argues that he alone saved every man, woman, and child on planet Earth by gaining tax exemption for Scientology: http://tonyortega.org/2013/09/06/video-scientology-leader-david-miscaviges-weird-explanation-for-the-irs-victory/

    *****
    Putin 2010: “Taking personal control: Vladimir Putin took the reconstruction of homes and compensation for victims of the wildfires in the summer of 2010 under his personal control.”

    Miscavige 2011: Decides to personally burn down the Church of Scientology by engaging in ruinous adventurism called the Squirrel Busters.

    *****
    Putin 2013: Putin grants Edward Snowden refuge in Russia

    Miscavige 2013: Goes ballistic when Leah Remini files a missing person on Miscavige’s invisi-wife Shelly.

    *****

    Putin 2014: Annexes the Ukraine
    Miscavige 2013: Annexes what remains of Downtown Clearwater by opening Super Power.

    *****
    Putin 2015: Launches attacks in Syria

    Miscavige 2015: Losing on all fronts: HBO’s Going Leah, Hurricane Leah, BBC, Rathbun v. Miscavige, Narconon, The Netherlands, Belgium, Russia, the internet, Earth, the solar system, this sector of the guh-laxy, the MEST universe.

    • Sherbet

      Here comes the pedant again: “HBO’s Going Leah”

      • J. Swift

        Pedantry noted. Error corrected. However, I may have also “accidentally” leaked something. I refuse to confirm or deny anything.

        • Sherbet

          I won’t tell a soul.

    • SciWatcher

      My fave: “Decides to personally burn down the Church of Scientology by engaging in ruinous adventurism called the Squirrel Busters.”

      • J. Swift

        SciWatcher, that’s what actually happened.

        The Squirrel Busters — and really the Church of Scientology itself — is like one of those giant above ground tire fires that burn for years and years. These fires burn for years because no one wants to take responsibility for them or pay the huge sums of money to fight them.

        Everyone knows these giant tire fires will eventually burn themselves out. I think this is how the IRS looks at Scientology: As a slow-burning smoldering toxic heap of old tires that will eventually burn itself out so why bother? Unless some crime is actually committed the Feds in the US don’t seem to want to step in. The American authorities seem to think that this obnoxious and caustic Church of Scientology blight upon the land, this cultic slag heap, will destroy itself soon enough.

        http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/tirefire_2b_zpsyk2uzrt1.jpg

        • SciWatcher

          Ah, yes, I see it now…Big Blue is there amongst the flames. But I think its smoke is even more toxic that that of the tires.

    • Ivan Mapother

      Putin 2013: Divorces his wife of 20 years.
      Miscavige 2013: Police confirm Shelly is not dead. Still happily married.

      • J. Swift

        Very happily married and even exchange gifts of mutual non-disclosure agreements each Christmas.

        • Eclipse-girl

          If I may be so rude, can you state how long it has been for you and Karen?

          I wish you many more happy years with one another.

          • J. Swift

            Five very happy years.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am glad you two are together.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Practically honeymooners still. Wonderful!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Only in scientology land would “My wife’s still not dead and I can prove it” be printed on a Hallmark Anniversary greeting card.

        • Ivan Mapother

          You had better get that copyrighted before the RTC does.

        • Juicer77

          Send one to Drew Peterson.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I have a wierd obsession with details.

      In other places, I read that Papa Ron Miscavige would not allow David to join the SO until he was 16.
      I always thought that Davey dropped out when he turned 16 , in April 1976 and that he was 10th grader at the time.

      I am quite willing to defer to others who know the minutia.
      I just would like verification that Davey dropped out in 9th grade vs 10th grade.

      • Nat-leficent

        Neither one is good. Junior year is the important year.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I know what you mean.
          I would say that doing some post HS education is the most important 😉

          I am ever curious.

      • J. Swift

        24 Novemeber 2015

        Religious Technology Center International
        Mr. David Miscavige
        1710 Ivar Ave #1100,
        Los Angeles, CA 90028

        Dear Mr. Miscavige,

        During today’s online conversation at Tony Ortega’s Underground Bunker the question was raised at to when you dropped out of school.

        Did you drop out in the ninth or tenth grade?

        I look forward to the courtesy of your reply soonest.

        With Best Regards,

        J. Swift

        • Sherbet

          Maybe he registered at Classmates.com. I’ll have to check on that…

      • aegerprimo

        An obsession with details is a very good trait.

      • SciWatcher

        Maybe he was still only a 9th grader when he turned 16. Not the brightest bulb in the box, but also his asthma and the amount of time spent doing scientology might have kept him back.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I agree. Looking into Davey’s past is more difficult because he traveled to England, he left for the SO at 16, and he probably wasn’t well liked by many of his peers.

          With privacy laws these days, you can’t get access to his school records.

          Maybe we will find out more when Papa Ron’s book becomes available. 😉

  • beauty for ashes

    I had to remember to get some prescriptions filled so I wrote a big RX on my hand, which soon became this giant scrolley lookin thing. I looked at it and thought` this looks like a Red x brigade tattoo on my hand. 🙂 Just thought I’d post it to see if someone wants to use it for the reminders. F5

    • flyonthewall

      you should be a hand model.

      eta – i could be your agent, just think about it

      • beauty for ashes

        What’s your percentage? lol
        Ps, a photographer friend of mine taught me how to take a good pic of my hands. It’s a trick.

        • flyonthewall

          I take 12% but I’m very good, worth every penny. Here’s my card, let’s do lunch soon. Ciao! (f5)

          • I’m disappointed it wasn’t a lego card! 🙂

          • B4you

            OT: Looks like the Joker is taking a huge dump! Maybe it’s onto something?

    • Beautiful

      • beauty for ashes

        Thanks you big sweetheart. 🙂

    • vicariousthrill

      Ooh that’s pretty.

  • Observer

    Your educational photo of the day.

    • Sherbet

      Gentle Ben, no!

      • Eclipse-girl

        that was when Clint Howard was cute 😉

        • Sherbet

          I’ve heard him described as “Ron Howard’s dentally-challenged younger brother.”

          • Eclipse-girl

            It was in an era when kids did not get braces unless it was bad.
            Its why I have gap teeth 😉
            and daughter E has hollywood teeth

            • Sherbet

              Braces cost too much money when I was a kid. There were other things to pay for, like a mortgage.

            • Eclipse-girl

              or four kids college savings.

              one bro had a retainer. that was all that was required way back when.

            • Baby

              I love gaps.. LOVE them.. My older sister has one and I always wanted one.. I mean look at Lauren Hutton !

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not have the outer beauty of Ms Hutton.

              You know she had to hide her gap at times. She had a special ? dental piece made to wear to cover up the gap.

            • Baby

              Girl..I don’t know one person who has the outer beauty of Ms Hutton..hahhaha.. It made her so natural to me..

              Yes I did know that. I imagine it was because of the Ad campaigns that wanted ” Perfection..”

    • aegerprimo

      Who the f*** would shave a bear?

      ETA: O wait!
      Russia?

    • Ella Raitch

      The source of the mythical werewolf – bears with alopecia?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Did this thing escape from one of your nightmares, Obs?!

    • God made shaved bears to scare the black holes. True science.

      • beauty for ashes

        **falls over in unending noiseless laughter***

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Just the black bears, right?

      • aegerprimo

        Somehow that makes sense.
        (Okay it is way past my bedtime. Goodnight.)
        LOVE YOU DODO!

      • That makes sense – after all, only God could shave a bear and come of it alive.

    • flyonthewall

      Funny/sad story of my shaved cat. His name was Kuato and he was my 2nd fav kitty. Had long hair and when he finally got fixed he also got shaved bc it was all matty etc. So when he got back he looked like a poodle with a ball of hair at the tip of his tail and socks. He looked ridiculous but he was also drugged up and woozy. What made it worse was that his sister, Princess, didn’t recognize him being shaved and had backed him into a corner and was hissing and batting at him. He was normally the dominant one but was confused and helpless in his post-op state. Poor poor guy.

      Yes we separated them and didn’t allow that to continue

    • Vaquera
      • Illinoisian

        That is so sad!

      • Baby

        Where in the hell have you been Texas? Dang..

    • Illinoisian

      Bald squirrel . . . whereabouts secret.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-34876806

    • your educational video that matches your picture

      https://youtu.be/Tu3ixJvVISw?t=5m47s

    • beauty for ashes

      I just think this is hilarious, that no one has posted anything new in over an hour, I think, because of the shock!!!

    • Juicer77

      Have you seen these yet? Mutant cats with a hair deficit!… https://www.facebook.com/LykoiCat

      • Scream Nevermore

        Oh, the werewolf cats – they are gorgeous! They have wonderful personalities as well.

  • salin

    Thank you Bunker Community for your support. My Mom passed peacefully this afternoon, surrounded by her children and most of her grandchildren. Your response gave me great comfort while we worked through the (exceptionally compassionate) hospice system. It was a shock (she was getting so much better that we were (lightly, not seriously) talking about taking another trip to see family in Norway. That had been our signal that we thought we were (almost) back to normal. This fall we learned that in a single day conditions can shift dramatically – so we knew traveling would be unwise. But – it became our smiling code for her improvements. Yes, I am still in shock, but – I am trying to dwell in the time spent – and the image of the night before her stroke when I went out to the store (20 minutes tops) to find her, at dusk, raking the edges of a pile of leaves that had blown further into the driveway during the day’s brief snow (she LOVED outdoors yard work). Yesterday my siblings coerced me into going home for a few hours to rest, shower, etc. As I was driven in the driveway a deer was lying down – smack dab in the middle of that pile of leaves she ‘fixed’ on Sat. evening. Made my sister and I smile.

    All that said – thank you for your hugs, prayers, cheer and compassion. It gave me great comfort. In the near future, most of my posting will likely be short distractions from the tasks at hand, or distractions from moments of profound silence in the house. And for your company through this time – I thank you and am sending waves, high fives for laughs at j/d, and hugs.

    • Sunny Sands

      So sorry to hear of your loss, Salin.

    • Jimmy3

      Sorry for your loss. :/. Keep your head up.

    • skiesareblue

      I’m sad to hear, salin. Take the time you need for you. ((((( hugs )))))

    • Hugs, Salin. Your Mom is in a good place. Hugs.

      • aquaclara

        Oh, Dodo, that is sad. Your mom must be sitting back, admiring her fine son, and the terrific gentleman she gave birth to. She has to be so proud. And you know she’s still close by…hearts and hugs, Dodo.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        What are you waiting for man?!?!? Get out there and find her!

      • daisy

        Dodo I am sorry you lost your mom so early. I too think of the ones we lost as having a good time with all the other people. I think she would be proud of the man you grew up to be.

    • Supper Powers

      (((Salin)))

    • One Human

      Your Momma done good, she provided us with you.
      Hugs to you and the rest of your family.

    • Sherbet

      I’m so very sorry, salin. Sending you comfort.

    • Sandy

      My Mom had a new house built to her exact expectations when she was age 80. Quite the gal. I am a house flower. No comparison. I miss her terribly. Wish I had her to help me to this day. Miss you, mom.

    • Eclipse-girl

      (((HUGS)))

      I am glad you were able to spend time with her, and it you own way you were preparing for this moment.
      It doesn’t make it easier.

      You have the wonderful memories and that is something to be grateful for.

      Do not freak out when you have dreams of your mom. It is normal and something I learned to be thankful for.

      You and your loved ones have my deepest condolences

    • “I’m sorry” doesn’t quite convey the heaviness I feel in my heart for you and your family right now, nor can it appropriately assuage your grief, though no words can effectively do that. You have much love coming to you from the bunker, hopefully you can feel it. Sending you and your family, love, strength, and comfort. ((Hugs))

    • Sid (Phil)

      So sorry about your loss but nice to hear you were able to be with her at the end. Cherish those moments.

    • It sounds like very little was left unsaid. That made the loss of my father and sister bearable. I discovered what I’ve called terrible beauty in those deaths. That in the cycle of life, in the universal procession of beginnings and endings is the improbable reality of life and love, unique to Earth, as far as we can see into the void. May you find comfort and peace through these days of leaving.

      • Baby

        That was beautiful Artoo..

        • Thanks, Baby. The warmth of this place is reassuring.

          • Baby

            The mix matched vagabonds here never fail to support each other in time of need. I come here often just to feel the warmth of my friends. It is home to me.

      • aquaclara

        This is really lovely.

    • Baby

      In loving memory of Salin’s mother. Salin is a true Bunker friend. What a joy she is. And Salin I sure hope you write your mom’s Eulogy because your words made me smile. I can see her raking the leaves..and the deer lying down in them.

      We are here for you..day or night..the Bunker is open 24/7.. We are all sorry for your loss. know that you are loved here. Please give your family our condolences also. xox ((HUGS)) Your Bunker f5

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Oh Salin, I’m so sorry for you and your family. Glad you could all be with Mom at the end. I hope you’ll like this:
      https://youtu.be/aLDLpqZdhX0

      • Baby

        Absolutely beautiful L.Wrong..great selection.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I thought it was fitting.

      • salin

        I had never seen this. So fitting. I will share this with my siblings tomorrow. It is beautiful and captures my thankfulness for the role my mother has played in my life. L. Wrong, thank you.

    • Liberated

      I’m so sorry dear friend. I wish you peace.

    • Illinoisian

      Sending you love and sympathy. Be comforted. Our losses and heartaches bring us together. We all resonate to that tune.

    • Kim O’Brien

      oh honey …many hugs to you …we love you

    • aquaclara

      Oh, this is hard news. Sending you very best wishes, and my sympathies on the loss of your mom. So glad it was peaceful for her. Take care, and know how much we’re thinking about you. Hugs!

    • vicariousthrill

      Salin, just saw this. What a lovely picture you painted of your mother, utterly moving and full of love. What a lucky woman to have a daughter like you. When my mom died I would wake up in the middle of the night feeling desperate, how could I sustain this loss? I would grab my tablet and jump into the Bunker and feel calm again. I hope the same for you. The grief mellows with time, I’m sure you know. Anyway, much peace to you.

    • noseinabk

      I am so sorry for your loss salin.

    • Allie

      Condolences on your loss, salin. Hugs and peace to you.

    • Jo

      Sorry for your loss, Salin.

    • beauty for ashes

      (((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS SALIN))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) I’m so fighting back tears for you, okay its not working. I wish I could put a towel on my shoulder and just hug you and let you cry. You are always so sweet and sensitive. That you noticed the deer really broke my heart. I wish you the most love and comfort that you will accept. I can’t even imagine what it would be to lose a mother. let us know if you need anything. <3 <3 <3 seriously, okay? ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((more hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    • Bernie

      It’s hard to lose the ones we love. How fitting with the deer on the leaves; a beautiful image.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Sincerest condolences and what a beautiful picture you’ve painted of her and what an incredible picture it must’ve been to see – especially that she was outside enjoying the simple things she loved most. Never easy to walk through, but this time of year makes it so much more sharp and profound so my hope is that you & your family will enjoy the holidays together marinating in the beautiful memories of your precious mom! Take care!!! You’ve always been SO welcoming and I hope you feel the love that you so liberally spread around!

    • Scream Nevermore

      So sorry for your loss, Salin – I know it’ll be hard, but remember, your mum wouldn’t want you all being sad and silent (I have very specific instructions from my own parents about this!) so don’t feel guilty when you find yourselves laughing about things she did or said – it all helps.

    • Juicer77

      My sincere condolences, salin. Thank you for sharing lovely memories of her. The deer story is so sweet. She would have loved that! I will pray for your whole family as you deal with all the stuff that needs to be taken care of. Hugs to you.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      My sincerest condolences. No matter how much we are prepared for something like this, nothing can prepare us for something like this. I will understand if we don’t see you here, but also know you can come here any time you wish.

    • OOkpik

      So many your friends here have expressed my thoughts better than I could find words for. May you and your family find comfort and peace in the shelter of abundant love.

    • Vaquera

      Love to you and yours.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Condolences from Mr Hole and I, Salin. We will see you on the other side – remember to make time for all the wonderful memories. You’ll make it through this – tough, but you will.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ((((((hugs)))))))))

    • daisy

      Oh Salin I am so sorry for your loss. It is so hard to lose a parent. I am so glad you are surrounded by family and people you love. You mean so much to this community that holds you dear. I will be praying for your strength and courage for you and your family. I wish we was there to help you. (( HUGS)). Please post as you need comfort, we will try. I am glad you have so many fond memories of your mom. You have taught me so much about Grace. Take special care of yourself. We all love you.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I am sorry. I saw your first post on this the other day and was finding it hard to reply. My aunt recently passed in a similar fashion. Living the UK, I rarely saw her but this summer we spent a week with her in California. When making plans for the trip to the USA I could have just gone home to Chicago, but with my son in his last year of Uni, I thought we better visit her because I don’t know when we would next have the opportunity to visit along with my son and mother.

      So fast forward to December when I get a voice mail message from my brother, who never calls me, email is his thing. Aunty had a stroke on the Sunday and neighbours found her about 22 hours later still alive but laying face down. My mom who in her 80’s flies back out to CA to be with her in. She was lying incapacitated for too long and could not talk, see or swallow. Since she had a DNR order it was just a waiting game. After 4 days in hospital, they were going to transport her home with a 24 hour nurse, but that day while my mom was at hospital, her color changed and she went. A blessing really, with the extent of the damage the doctors did not have high hopes, but her friends thought differently. They saw plenty of their friends recover in the past but did not understand the full scope of the damage in this case.

      Anyway, the memorial service was lovely. Mom is back home until the next trip out to handle the estate matters. I am annoyed that my mother had to deal with all this at her age but she is the kind of person who does not say no to helping. Personally, I have been going over how lucky we were to get to spend the time we did with her this summer.

      So, I say friend, you have my sympathy.

      PSA: If you know someone who is elderly or just living alone, check in on them or just call and say “Hi”, you may just save a life!!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Oh, I meant to attach this photo that my aunt asked me to take of her favorite spot…

      • salin

        Thank you for this note. That must have been very hard for your mother. I am glad that you and your family got to spend time with her the previous summer.

        Thankfully, as soon as we knew the damage, and it was irreversible, we knew Mom’s wishes and immediately started the hospice route, which was comforting.

        I have to admit, I am still just numb. You remind me that I have to call relatives in Norway. I am sure that along with sadness, they will find comfort that we all spent a little time together in July 2014. *Deep sigh* Those are going to be some hard calls to make.

  • Pam from AL

    Just a passing observation.

    Scientology is being used as an insult in the ramp up to the Paris climate summit.

    From the Washington Post today:

    “Isn’t it funny that it is called climatology and they are climatologists? Scientology?”

  • Karin Pouw pops up again…. (in South Platte, Colorado of all places)

    http://www.southplattesentinel.com/2015/11/reminis-claims-were-unfounded/

    • Sherbet

      Oh, pshaw, we don’t care about that fame glutton Leah Remini, and we’ll go to the South Platte Sentinel to reiterate how much we’re not paying any attention to her.

      • Juicer77

        That’ll show her!

    • Baby

      OH MY GAWD.. They are still sticking with the Millions? hahahhaha.. LOSERS

    • James Morris

      Oh, dear!
      Really?
      The same old tripe but in a Letter to The Editor of a weekly paper from a teeny tiny town in Colorado that most people can’t find on a map?
      No NY Times?
      No SF Chronicle?
      No USA Today?
      I smell desperation on the water, that you’ve resorted to an unknown outlet to make a public statement for the WORLD to hear.

    • Graham

      “The real story of Scientology is that we consistently, blatantly and shamelessly peddle the lie that there are millions of parishioners peacefully practicing their faith through more than 11 000 churches. However, we feel confident in doing so, knowing that the average journalist is too lazy to bother checking out our provable bullshit.” And once again they get away with it.

      • Juicer77

        ! This !

    • Juicer77

      Ok, which whale has a summer home in Sterling, Colorado? What a farce.

  • Supper Powers

    I’m headed to bed. I’m grateful for the kindness and empathy found here. Salin needs hugs and she has them. Baby coached me through a a tough day. Hugs and levity abound in a place where we focus on some seriously sad shit we want fixed. Thanks y’all. Night.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Baby is very good at getting one through a tough day. I can only speak for me.
      She has earned whatever I can repay.

      Salin, this is a tough time.
      I hope Salin is able to find solace in her memories, and our shoulders.

      • Baby

        Thank you E. That means a lot to me. I was just going to ask about Salin. Very sad..very sad..will go down to read..sigh..

        • Eclipse-girl

          You are there for each one us when you notice us going through tough times.
          You have a a great deal of experience , empathy and sympathy.
          You must have been great at your job.

          I can not repay you for the support you have given me during my difficult times.
          The best I can do is be there when others have their difficult times and try my best to emulate you calm, your wisdom and your listening skills.

          I also wich I could draw. I can’t ‘-)

          (((HUGS)))

          • Baby

            OK.. first I read Salin’s tragic news and then when I post the Memory Candle it always is with a heavy heart..

            Then I read this.. OMG E.. Pass the Kleenex.. Thank you so very much.. sniff.. xo

    • Baby

      Oh Supper.. thank you so very very much. That hits my heart because I know you were getting anxious. I’m glad I was there for you. I am so sorry to hear about Salin. I just logged on.

    • daisy

      I haven’t read the commets today yet Supper, I am sorry you had a bad day. I am also glad Baby was there to help you. Take care of yourself too

  • Спокойной ночи.

    • Pam from AL

      You speak frenchie!

      Scientology is going down, as far as I can tell

      • Jimmy3

        You can leave your comments up. It’s alright.

        • Pam from AL

          Thanks. I didn’t realize there was a family loss yesterday until i read down the thread, or I wouldn’t have intruded

          • Jimmy3

            You didn’t intrude. You’re fine. I was just saying you don’t have to edit out your comments.

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      Good Night! 😀

  • Tory Christman

    Hi Tony and Kids 🙂 (((Don’t forget the heart)) <3 I just wanted to tell you all I've been away in Spokane, WA for about 3 weeks….so I haven't been on here much. I wanted to wish you ALL a Happy Thanksgiving (for those who celebrate it) and also tell each of you that you are definitely a gang of wonderful peeps I shall be giving thanks for knowing each of you. Enjoy, eat tons but not too much. 🙂 Much love, Tory/Magoo
    PS: I'll be home Dec 1 or so.

    • Have a wonderful holiday up there in Spokane! Stay warm and cozy and have a great Thanksgiving!

      • Tory Christman

        Hey to you, too, Artoo45! Is this the person I spoke w/ a few weeks ago, or the Artoo45 that used to post on esmb chat? Just curious. Either one of you….have a delightful Thanksgiving! 🙂 <3

        • The guy you had lunch with at Tallyrand this summer and spoke with on the phone. That other Artoo45 is really only a 44:)

    • vicariousthrill

      Happy thanksgiving Tory.

      • Tory Christman

        To you, too, vicaioustrill 🙂

    • Newiga

      Have fun Tory! xxoo

      • Tory Christman

        Thank you, Newiga 🙂 xxoo backatcha!

    • Juicer77

      Happy Thanksgiving, Tory! Safe travels 🙂

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      If I only eat 1 ton, that’s not too much, right? Happy holiday – and have a great time in WAH!

  • The connection between the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology and the CIA is not something that Alex Dvorkin came up with. That said, Hearsay does not seem to throw up anything more concrete than a report from Greek OSA that an anti-cult office had been shut down in Greece. Since the report from Greek OSA can just as well be wishful thinking, I would need more evidence for that connection.

    I would say the judges are right, in that the Co$ registers the trademarks as a means to stop independent $cientologists from exercising their religion.

    • When Hubbard was cruising about with the original Sea Org, he was looking for a place that he could infiltrate and dominate. Eventually, he had to settle for Clearwater – but he did stop in at the island of Corfu, and formulated the mad plan of establishing a Greek ‘University of Philosophy’ there.

      Of course, as he had done in Rhodesia, he tried to go right to the top. As Greece was then under the rule of a dangerous military Junta it’s not surprising that the antics of a mad American might attract the attention of an clandestine organisation tasked with protecting US interests abroad.

      Ironically, the strange behaviour of Sea Org members, their secrecy and their transparent ‘shore stories’ gave rise to local rumours that Hubbard’s ship was staffed by CIA operatives. Angry mobs gathered where it was moored on more than one occasion.

      All this is related in John Forte’s book, “The Commodore and the Colonels”. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2013/12/24/the-commodore-and-the-colonels/ Forte was the British Vice-Consul to Corfu, observed events first-hand, and knew whereof he spoke.

      I think that some people see these CIA connections and use them to postulate a dramatic conspiracy. In fact (as with so much of Scientology) the connection is more to do with cock-up than conspiracy.

      Notions that Hubbard every worked with the CIA are similar confections, built upon the daft idea that his risible Naval record was a fiction designed to cover up his ‘real’ intelligence activities.

      Apart from the lack of evidence to support these notions we see from Hubbard’s ‘Affirmations’ https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/l-ron-hubbards-affirmations-admissions/ and the fact that he always distanced himself from Scientology’s ‘dirty tricks’, that the man was an insecure physical coward who would not have been recruited to work in the field by any self-respecting intelligence organisation.

  • Fink Jonas

    What a bunch of ridiculous assholes wearing those stupid crossed out crosses to create a false impression.
    On another note, Is that a scientology thing or do all the cults make you believe that you are an EXPERT? I noticed that Hubbard emphasizes the fact that you are becoming an EXPERT… and is that why Tom Cruise went crazy saying that he is an expert in the history of Psychiatry.

  • Ella Raitch

    Hello late nighters, Europe and the Antipodes

    Cult has been smacked down on its application for Yarramalong on MULTIPLE grounds

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?35307-NARCONON-ABLE-plans-another-Australian-Drug-Centre&p=1074871&viewfull=1#post1074871

    • Jimmy3

      Hey, harr yarr doing?

      Oh yarr have an application form? Let’s see…

      Hmmm… What the farr??? What is this harr?? Is this some of that scientolarrgy?

      DENIED

      Move along narr!!! Yarrabettamovealong narr!!!

      • Juicer77

        XD

      • Ella Raitch

        Hmmm….not quite getting the dialect here…;)

        • Jimmy3

          Don’t you warry yarr pretty head about it. Just go on about yarr day, narr.

    • Juicer77

      Excellent! Great work, locals of Yarramalong! You rock.

  • Jimmy3

    I like this guy Jeff Beck. He plays musical instruments.
    http://youtu.be/DqmrGgrYssE

    • Scream Nevermore

      I saw Seal live many years ago – what a voice that man has! He came on to do an encore, and the mic wasn’t working, so he just threw it away and sang without it – you could hear him right to the back of the hall.

      • Jimmy3

        What a great anecdote! And he does an incredible Hendrix, too.

        • Scream Nevermore

          The fact that he was dressed in skintight black leather was incidental, or course… 😉 I just watched their version of Like A Rolling Stone too – gorgeous!

    • HTC

      I saw him in ’89 with Stevie Ray Vaughn, what a great concert.

  • Exterrier

    Tony Ortega, there truly is a Ukraine Scientology connection, according to David Miscavige himself. Please check with Mike Rimder, perhaps, on this. Miscavage did a whole presentation segment at a Shrine Auditorium event I attended years ago, claiming that Scientologists nearly singlehandedly responsible for the “color revolution” that went on in the Ukraine that year. He said that they organized, and did a missive leave let campaign, and helped bring people to the streets.
    I can see why the Russians would associate Scientologywith the CIA, which, as it turns out, was involved with “color revolutions”. MIT took funding and pulling of strings for these Scientologists to do massive overnight printings and distribution, if the claims of Miscavige had any truth.
    Does anyone else recall this briefing ?

  • Gerard Plourde

    Great reporting on the intricacies of the situation in Russia. I think you’ve raised an interesting point about the way that Russia is claiming a CIA/Ukraine connection. Having Scientology available as an example of American attempts to influence Russian society serves Putin’s purposes to rally people around his vision for a return of “Greater Russia” and its sphere of influence that we’re seeing played out in the operations in Crimea and the eastern Ukraine.

  • Unex Skcus

    While the thought of Co$ as a CIA front sounds highly improbable, maybe the Russians are deliberately planting (false) seeds of concern, in case they want to use such ‘facts’ in later actions?

  • Tom Klemesrud

    Based on your one call to a “convincing” woman in Santa Barbara, you have discredited Russia with its vast international intelligence network of spies, from which Putin was a learned member…? Methinks the lady doth protest too much, and has an agenda.