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Lisa McPherson and the doctors: Hamstrung by the ‘spiritual’ needs of a thetan

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Lisa McPherson’s first week under confinement at the Fort Harrison Hotel ended twenty years ago today.

On Saturday, November 25, 1995, Lisa was watched in her cabana room by caretakers named Heather Hoff and Rita Boykin. And they were also joined by a man named David Houghton.

Houghton was studying for his dentist board exam at the time. He would take his board exams in just a few days so that he could become the Flag Land Base in-house dentist. After finishing dental school, he had some knowledge of medicine in general, and on the evening of the 24th, he had a telephone discussion with a Scientologist doctor named David Minkoff about the woman who was being held in Room 174 because she had gone “Type III.”

They were aware that Lisa McPherson had been raving and had been violent with her caretakers, who had been with her 24 hours a day since she’d been brought to the hotel late on Saturday night the week before. They talked about how they might sedate Lisa, if that need arose. They decided that a liquid form of chloral hydrate would be best, but Houghton was unable to find any local pharmacies that carried it. So they talked again, and decided to get some liquid Valium to have on hand. They called in a prescription — not, apparently, in Lisa’s name — and Houghton went to pick it up that night and paid cash.

During the police investigation after Lisa’s death, Houghton was asked about the decision to pick up the Valium that night.

Q: All right. And when, if ever, was that Valium used on Lisa?

A: To my knowledge, it was never used.

Q: All right. And why is that?

A: Again, to my knowledge, Mr. Kartuzinski didn’t want her to have anything that heavy.

Q: And he was running the spiritual end of this.

A: Right.

Alain Kartuzinski was making the decisions about Lisa’s care, and he’d assigned a disgraced former anesthesiologist, Janis Johnson, to oversee that care. Kartuzinski had no medical training of his own.

Q: I find it very odd that — we’ll go back to the three doctors again — MD anesthesiologist [Johnson], a dentist [Houghton], and another MD in Florida [Minkoff] working in an emergency room and an infectious disease specialist, OK, and the three of these people, who are all medical people, put their heads together and they get liquid Valium, and they send a doctor to get the liquid Valium, and he pays for it out of his pocket, he brings it back to the hotel, and we’ve got a civilian, nonmedical person [Kartuzinski], who says, “Huh-uh. You ain’t giving it to her.”

A: It is what happened. I agree that does sound kind of strange.

Q. …Wouldn’t that give you the impression that this is the guy pulling the strings? If he can tell three doctors who’s already gone to all this trouble of getting the liquid Valium and carting it back and sending a doctor to get it with thirty dollars in his pocket, and they come back, and he pulls the plug on this thing, would that give you the impression he’s in charge?

A. Sure.

Q. Thank you.

A. I mean, he was definitely in charge of the spiritual side of it.

So, to review. On hand at the hotel there was a recently graduated but not yet licensed dentist, a former anesthesiologist who might have stopped practicing medicine in order not to be prosecuted for stealing drugs from a hospital to feed her habit but was still knowledgeable about medicines and treatments, and, at an area hospital but not on the premises, an actual ER doctor, all of whom were Scientologists. But they all deferred to the judgment of Alain Kartuzinski, whose only qualifications were that he was a senior case supervisor in charge of Lisa’s “spiritual” case.

Just so we’re clear.

On the afternoon of November 25, Houghton went to Room 174 on the suggestion of Kartuzinski, who wanted him to give Lisa some medications — aspirin and Benadryl — to make her drowsy and help her get some sleep.

“They were talking about wanting to get her to eat, drink, you know, that kind of thing, and I said, well, I can certainly get her to swallow something. That’s, you know…something I could do without getting bit or, you know, something like that,” Houghton testified, explaining that he’d pointed out how his skills as a dentist might come in handy.

He crushed the aspirin and took the Benadryl out of capsules and put it in some orange juice. He put the concoction in a large syringe with a curved plastic end big enough to allow the crushed aspirin to pass through. After getting Lisa down on her bed, he ran the liquid down the side of her tongue to the back of her throat.

“But then she got a taste of it, she really liked it. She just basically turned herself, got ahold of it, and started sucking this thing down,” Houghton testified. “She obviously enjoyed the taste.”

Houghton waited around for an hour to see what effect the drugs had. Lisa continued to walk around the room, talking incoherently like she had been all week. But then she did seem to get drowsy, and laid down on the bed.

His work done, Houghton left.

 
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Jacobsen: Belgian prosecutor asks for dissolution of Scientology

This just in from our man in Brussels, Jonny Jacobsen…

 
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Yarramalong wins again against Scientology’s rehab plans

Bryan Seymour tells us he’s hoping to get a story out on this soon, so we’ll let him get into the details. But it looks like Scientology’s front group ABLE has lost its appeal in New South Wales of a local council’s decision not to grant a Narconon the zoning it needs to build a new 20-bed drug rehab facility there.

Once again, David Miscavige’s plans for Narconon 2.0 take a hit from determined locals.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Whale watching on the Freewinds — Matt Feshbach (top photo) and Jim Mathers get love-bombed!

 
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Our book tour is concluded for now. (But you can re-experience it through this nifty interactive map!) We’ll let you know about future appearances. Previous events: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25), Adelaide (10/28), Perth (10/30)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 25, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Nat-leficent

    OT: Does it strike anyone else as a bad idea to invite your whole family over then give them a bunch of booze and knives?
    http://dianegottsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/place-setting.jpg

    • Kestrel

      Never. It serves as great entertainment if the football game is a blowout.

    • pixie dust

      Beautiful table, Nat.

      • Nat-leficent

        Not mine, just an approximation XD

    • flyonthewall

      the key to a violence free thanksgiving is – sporks

      • Nat-leficent

        Good advice. I’ll remember for next year.

    • Supper Powers

      Serious supper power! Great set up!

    • beauty for ashes

      It s really bothering me that I can’t tell what is on this plate. It sort of looks like a miniature antlers.

    • ze moo

      How else are you going find out who gets cut out of the will?

      • Baby

        Shit Ze.. Where there’s a Will there’s a relative.

        • And for Jenny and the wimp, a .. Boot to the Head!

    • Not as long as you video! πŸ™‚

    • Vaquera

      Strike, no. Stab, yes.

    • Kay

      Wow…what kind of dinner would require three knives…I’m pondering here…..

      • Kay

        OK…I’ve pondered it for awhile…I could stab three siblings and would still have four to go. Hahahaha….just kidding. πŸ™‚

    • Eclipse-girl

      Ok, I did this research at one point.

      The fork and spoon at the top of the plate are reserved for dessert.
      A proper dessert spoon is large similar to a table spoon

      Otherwise you work from the outside in.

      3 forks implies a salad and then two more dishes.
      3 knives is a bit unusual. None of them is a fish knife (used to remove the fish flesh from the bones – and looks very similar to a fancy butter knives)

      2 knives – my guess is 3 different serving of meat. Maybe fish, poultry and beef.

      • Missionary Kid

        Gimmie a knife, fork, spoon, and a finger bowl and towel. What I can’t get with those utensils, I’ll use my hands.

      • Kestrel

        Maybe the first knife is a salad knife. I have a friend who cuts her salad into smaller pieces.

  • Simi Valley

    On the subject of needless deaths in $ickentology … my former housemate mentioned Jeannie Chromoy several times, who was on Solo NOTs with cancer and frantically auditing away in the hope that she would kick the cancer. Of course she did not and became another ca$ualty.

    • Always Amazed

      SOO many sad sad stories of needless deaths.

  • Lucille Austero

    Just a reminder that the ER doctor Minkoff noted above is clothing designer Rebecca Minkoff’s father. Join me in a boycott of Rebecca Minkoff products.

    • flyonthewall

      i will join you but for what it’s worth all my clothes come from GoodWill. Only suckers buy retail

      • Lucille Austero

        Okay, but what about your purses? She makes purses, too πŸ™‚

        • flyonthewall

          that’s not a prob but i hope she doesn’t make fanny packs cuz I couldn’t function w/o my fanny pack. It’s where I keep all my stuff, so I can have them

      • Ella Raitch

        It’s called ethical consumerism Fly (shopping at GoodWill that is).

        • Missionary Kid

          I call it being cheap. That’s me.

        • flyonthewall

          i am ethical and I didn’t even know it

  • Baby

    Just logged on..and will go back to read.. Many have asked about Tami and CW.. OK

    The CW ( Crazy Woman) is stalking, harassing Tami..We went to the Sheriff’s department because she has been following her and waiting outside of Tami’s house. Tami called me at Midnight..( Again) to tell me that CW was sitting in front of her house and she was scared..Tami lives way back ..I mean way back off the beaten path on the island..

    Dirt road with hundreds of trees..

    As we got in Tami’s car and drove in the dead of night..( I mean it was Pitch Black) CW followed us to the Sheriff’s office..but passed by…and waited.

    The Sheriff informed Tami and I that he couldn’t do anything about it because CW was on a Public Road and had not gone on Tami’s property. So until she does they can’t do anything. Tami is freaking out about this crazy woman. The Sheriff said to document and go down and fill out an injunction. It will prevent her from contacting her, ( better than a restraining order) blah, blah, blah. I will fill out a witness statement.

    She went on the Island FB page and linked every e mail of Tami’s. Personal shit.. It was taken down after 6 hrs. and she is banned from the Page.. But started another FB page that she is the Administer of. Tami contacted FB and they said it didn’t violate any of their regulations.

    Tami’s daughter is leaving her abusive hubby and Tami put that in her e mail that was shown. The guy didn’t know that she was leaving and the shit hit the fan.

    Tami is suing her for Slander and Libel..or whatever.. ( I forget) and Time spent on getting Bakery opened.

    For the Good news. Because of the Cottage Industry laws in Florida Tami has opened a home bakery and has about 40 pies being delivered by me and another woman.. and Tami tomorrow for Thanksgiving. She has a Convection oven and can bake 8 at a time.

    So we are planning on a lot of Farmer’s markets and individual orders.. plus parties etc. We will be Busy.. and I hope Tami makes a lot of $ from this Nut case.. Here is a sample of her desserts she baked when she had her restaurant.. So that is that. She’ll land on her feet and is looking for another place on the Island to sell her goodies. ( F5)

    She has an appointment with her lawyer soon. She is suing for $

    • Sherbet

      Wishing some strength to Tami in her fight. With you on her side, she’s not alone.

      • Baby

        Tami was victimized in her past and she is really frightened. She is like a walking band-aide. So intimidated by this Bitch.

        I am NOT saying I am a Bad Ass.. but I can protect my friend. I call her every hr. to make sure she’s OK.. when I’m not with her..

        I call her ” Needy Baby..Greedy Baby” after Leonard’s Mom’s book ( Big Bang Theory)

        • Missionary Kid

          People like cw pick on people they learn they can intimidate. A bumper sticker for her car: CAUTION: STALKER DRIVING.

          • Baby

            OMG I would love to put that on her car! But I wouldn’t want to inflame her anymore than she is cause she is Psycho.

    • Frodis73

      Sorry to hear CW is still, well, crazy. If I am ever in some trouble, I do know I want you in my corner Baby. Can she afford to put up little cams? I have heard it can be done pretty cheap (though that word is vastly different for people). With what CW is doing it is so hard to prove anything until she actually breaks a law or hurts somebody. I’m so glad you are with her at least. The food looks awesome and I want one of everything btw.

      • Baby

        doggie. Tami has the lights that come on when someone enters the property. I did mention the cameras to her the other day.. but then we changed subjects.

        I am with her..thank you.. and if she has to spend the night with me to feel safe she knows she can. Her hubby is a sweetheart..but I’m scared he’ll do something to protect his wife.

        Her food is awesome is right.. xo

        • Vaquera

          She would have one very comfy guest bed, Baby!

          • Baby

            Awwwww thanks Texas.. that was such a fun night!

        • seriouslyWTF

          Baby, I was just at Best Buy and they have portable cameras that you can move around. I was thinking of getting one or two so that I can do a nature cam in my back yard. I can’t remember how much, but I know they were relatively cheap.. around 100.00..
          Do you know anyone that can follow CW around? Follow her while she follows Tami? Just to let her know that people are watching.. Maybe a few? Don’t you know bikers? They don’t need to do anything but follow.. and maybe film..
          If Tami does not have a weapon, she should at least have wasp spray in her home. It can spray up to 25 feet I think and it will stop a person in their tracks..
          Damn.. I hate this crap…

          • Baby

            Hi sweetie.. You know it’s funny ..I just heard on the radio or the news or somewhere that Best Buy will negotiate with you. A woman said that they took $300 off an item when she asked if that was the best they could do..hmmm

            Yes I do know a lot of people..and yes bikers.. but even if they took pictures it would just show CW behind her.

            Oh Tami has a weapon. sigh.. and she is the last person that should have one. I don’t know what CW is packin..

            She is Unhinged.. and Tami is on the edge.. CW is claiming that she is getting death threats. ( Not from Tami or I ) So I don’t know if she is lying or what the hell is happening.

            • seriouslyWTF

              I was just thinking if she saw people were following her that maybe she would stop.. However, based upon what you have posted so far, I kind of doubt it would do any good.

            • Baby

              Oh hell no.. She is Noisily stalking.. lame.

    • Is CW a scieno? I mean, yeah, I know she’s not but FUCK!!!! And i’m sorry, being outside someone’s house—even on a public road is INTIMIDATION!!!! Then following you IS stalking!!! She’s trying to intimidate her!!! FUCK THAT!!! Then putting that shit on FB?? Get it screen grabbed!!! ALL OF IT! It can/will be used against her!!

      I’m so sorry your friend is going thru this—and you too, to an extent that you’re there for her, helping her, etc. She WILL come out on top and hooray for the Cottage Industry Law!!!!

      • Baby

        Thanks Tia.. It is the craziest thing I have ever been involved in. CW needs professional help. Everything is being screen grabbed.. and watched closely. Every word recorded.

        She told tami in an e mail.. ” Don’t do things you will regret ( ???)

        Cottage Industry Law is fabulous. Thrilled for her and she has so much support in the community.

        • It probably also helps Tami that CW is getting kicked out of meetings…..hopefully CW will get the help she needs and Tami will get some justice…..

          • Baby

            Absolutely on both counts!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Baby, your mention of Facebook along with Thanksgiving made think of this (refresh).
      Wishing you & your friend and everyone at the Bunker a Happy Thanksgiving!

      • Baby

        Hahahhha.. funny Wally.. You too love.. baby

        • Vaquera

          Hi honey. Just sent you an email.

    • Spackle Motion

      Just walking into this conversation, and while I have no idea who any of the players are here, I just hope you are safe. Are there no stalking laws where you are?

      • Baby

        Thanks Spackle.. It is a long story if you want a link I can provide one. I only came in for an update because it was slowing down here and people have been asking.

        Yes.. she’s getting an injunction and if the CW goes against it she can be arrested.

    • Missionary Kid

      If you or someone else can take pictures of CW in her car following Tami, it will help her case. If you take a picture, make sure that the date and time are stamped on it. Whoever takes the picture will have to attest to the time and place, but the time stamp makes things easier.

      Make sure that electronic items that are posted on social media are also on the injunction. The attorney will know how far away CW is to stay away from Tami. Since Tami lives far back on an isolated road, perhaps CW could be enjoined from even being on that road or any adjacent road.

      This woman is sick, and she, like $cientology, blames everyone else.

      • Baby

        Yes to all Kid. I asked the Sheriff about taking the photos..and he said..

        ” Well.. How would someone know when you took them? and even if she was following you.. or parked near you, it is a public street/highway/road.. She has the right to be there. ”

        I wasn’t impressed with the Sheriff ..He was phoning it in. Tami wanted him to go to CW’s car and tell her to quit following her. I knew he couldn’t do that. Talked to a business woman on the Island today. She said that CW was stalking her too.. So Tami and Artist are talking.

        This woman is clearly sick. Wow. Wack job.. I am afraid something dangerous is going to happen with the ” Stand Your Ground ” Law in Florida.. It is the perfect storm. Most people on the Island have guns.

        Just asked my hubby.. What percentage of households on the Island have guns. He said ” One Gun? or Multiple Guns? ” He said.. ” Probably 60%..” I said ” Do you have a gun? He said.. 3 wait.. 4 here 6 in Michigan with my son..”

        I had no idea. He said that guys come in the Marina with Hand guns in their back waist band.. or strapped around their thighs..guys 70-80 yrs old carryin 45s .. Shit who knew.

        • Missionary Kid

          Tami can use the stand your ground law in her favor, too. I wouldn’t put myself in that position, but she’s the one being stalked.

          • Baby

            I know Kid. And Tami’s hubby knows it too.

        • yeah, he was phoning it is….gee, it’s a public street, so she could stand there and harass her? intimidate her? FFS dude, do your job!!!

        • Kay

          Well that Sheriff was not very much help, that’s for sure. He could have at least spoken to CW stating that someone had reported a suspicious car/person in the area. That’s within the boundaries of most police officer’s guidelines.

          • Frodis73

            Totally, WTF? i wonder if Tami can go over this guy to somebody higher…

            • Kay

              If I were her, I would, absolutely !!

          • Baby

            I KNOW.. CW was right in front of him in the Driveway.. Pissed me off.. He said..” Well, she can park her car here. Yours is. ”

            Mind you she was just kicked out of Chamber of Commerce meeting last week for disrupting the meeting. And the Police called. And were considering whether or not to admit her for evaluation..( Baker Act)

    • Supper Powers

      Pastry Power! Nice.

      Be safe!

    • Sandy

      I am not familiar with this story – but peeps… keep your private business off of any computer. Seriously – if you do need to talk to someone, use the phone.

    • Kay

      Beautiful pies….too beautiful to slam one of them into CW’s face, unfortunately. Hoping Tami stays safe !

      • Baby

        Hi sweetie.. She is the Best Baker..OMG.. read what I just said to MKid Kay..it is becoming dangerous..and Tami is scared.

        • Kay

          Will do…

    • Eclipse-girl

      those pies look delectable.

      I wish tima (and you) a calm turkey day and a great future.

      I am “jelly” of the large convection oven

      • Baby

        thank you honey.. ( tami) She is in Heaven with that Commercial Convection oven her hubby bought her 2 days ago. What a surprise, huh?

    • Missionary Kid

      Mmmmmmmm!
      I love breakfast pie, and breakfast pizza, and breakfast chili, and….

    • salin

      Harumph! I hate this story.

      CW seems to be manic enough to be leaving bits of evidence all over the place. Glad to read that you are a) screenshotting her online/social media trail, but also b) capturing electronic (time stamped) photos of the stalking, c) encouraging/sparking Tammy to take legal action/protection, and most importantly: d) providing a sense of security to Tammy (calls, safe haven, etc.) I would add snark at the expense of CW – it’s in me, but I just am off a bit myself, that I can’t dig in and find it – so I leave that job to our fellow bunkerites. πŸ˜€

      Foremost for Tammy and you – be safe. Keep being proactive – even if it seems futile – with local police. Given strong documentation of the harassment, the police will either be compelled to act, or will put their department at financial risk of liability in the case of a lawsuit against them, if CW follows her delusions as in a ‘delusional righteous’ moment to take some kind of violent (property or worse) action.

      Meanwhile – get the word out there of the great product through tomorrow’s pies, build demand – set up the old best revenge scenario (= living well.)

      Side note: thanks for your hugs, support and love. <3 !

      • daisy

        Salin I hope you are maintaining your self. It is a hard time ,be good to yourself and remember to rest.

        • Baby

          Absolutely.. agree with Miss Daisy..

        • salin

          Thank you for the caring nudge and reminder, Daisy. I appreciate it. I know this is not unique, but it is new to me – a surreal situation when life unalterably shifts. <3

      • Baby

        Well, hi there baby girl.. Excellent advice. I’ve been thinking of you. I never thought of a case against the Sheriff’s office..I will tell Tami.

        I do see danger. I am not an alarmist.. but it is clearly there. Her business will flourish.. she’s a survivor ..albeit a wimpy one. She has given all her Power over to CW.

        • salin

          She is so lucky to have you, Baby, to help give her spine, in addition to your endless hours (that were unknowingly futile per CW’s craziness) rehabbing and then prepping a poor business space into one with great appeal, into the dawning of recognition that she has ceded power, and when dealing with a crazy person, how dangerous that can be.

          Without an ally whispering an alternative ‘reality’ from what CW conveys, she could be caved in.

          Thank you for your love, support, and candle flame for my Mom (in her passing), and for me in finding my footing and healing my heart from this loss (which is going to take some time.) <3

          • Baby

            Salin.. You are quite welcome my love..It was from all of us. ( Remind me to collect $ from everyone)

            I forgot to tell you that My mama died the same day that you lost your mother.. in 2008. Do NOT let that ruin your Thanksgivings. Of course the first one..will be tough..

            But every year after that on Thanksgiving I eat a piece of pie for her. And thank her for being such a good mom. She wouldn’t have wanted the holidays spoiled because of her death.

            And next year sweetie we will come to the Bunker and toast each other. And think of our mamas.

            I always was drawn to friends that are the lower maintenance kind of friend. Good Lord..I tell Tami daily how lucky she is..hahaha.. That girl is drainin me. I told her that she was like a Vampire suckin my blood..( We were so tired we laughed our asses off)

            • salin

              To toasting Thanksgiving, pie and Moms (starting next year).

              This year – a little too soon (add: parents anniversary = Nov 27) – so am opting to go to a friend’s unconventional family party, rather than family (so I don’t maudlinly find myself crying how ‘Mom should be with me, here, right now’). Guessing from your message (skip the first year) that you get what I mean. Thank you for that empathy.

              Next year we raise glasses together at Thanksgiving. <3

            • Baby

              You got a deal honey.. Next year! Give into a pity party when you need to. Tears cleanse the soul. Don’t try to be brave..Just release the pain. If you need a funny story..

              I promise I will give you one. It’s a daily occurrence in my life trust me.
              Have a good time at your friends..and if you have to leave earlier than you expected they will understand.. Love you very much.. baby

    • Missionary Kid

      Here’s a little psychology that sometimes works. Have Tami’s husband go out and offer a small pie while she’s sitting there. Sometimes, kindness works.

      No, not the kind of pie made in The help.

      • Baby

        KIIIIIIIIdddddddd… Gross I tried to forget that scene..puke

        If I paid him a thousand dollars to offer HER pie after what she put Tami through.. Just ain’t gonna happen evah

    • daisy

      My pants button popped just looking at these delicious pies .Tammi and yourself keep alert and take care .Happy Thanksgiving to you

      • Baby

        I know.. Thanks honey.. and Happy Thanksgiving to you sweet and ornery Daisy May

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Baby those pies look delicious. Good for Tami.

      • Baby

        They are as good as they look.. she is a creative genius. Tomorrow I start delivering at 9.. and she’s got me driving all over.. She baked a Pie Just for me.. Thick Cherry with a Lard Crusted Pie..f5

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f6f4a9823eb2a4fe5be956a6c639460427a4fa80f1f29b48a849fb01642aee9.jpg

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Gimme dat pie!

          • Baby

            IT’S MINE.. ALL MINE.. HANDS OFF.. I love thick crusted lard Buddy.. OMG I have to go to bed! Wish you were sleeping next to me on the floor sigh..Happy turkey day Mr.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Same to you baby cakes. I’m up in your old neck of the woods.

            • Baby

              Oh have fun ..gorgeous weather..I would invite you over, but it would take a week just for my house to look messy..

              Right now it is in a Mass Critical state.xoxo baby

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Ohio….

  • Cosmo Pidgeon

    Changed my avatar with a picture of me.

    • Sherbet

      Ha! Have some stale breadcrumbs.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Thanks

        • Sherbet

          You’re not on a gluten-free diet, are you?

          • Cosmo Pidgeon

            Oh no…I’m like whatever I can find.

    • April

      You look fabulous.

  • Doc M
  • Vaquera

    ALL of them!

    • Missionary Kid

      Fermentation works even faster with distillation.

      • Vaquera

        At this point I’m not too picky.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Oh my… a Beatles knock-off band playing at the Celebrity Centre! SMH
    (refresh)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/-WX3YEy2IT/

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Pic of above (refresh)

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
  • Vaquera

    Pie Adventures: Day Two – Update

    A family vote was taken and it was unanimous — the “pumpkin floor pie” will be covered with a delicious layer of hand-whipped cream and served as is.

    OMG, a controlled, but heated discussion has just broken out over whether real butter was used with the glatt chicken broth in the making of the potatoe leek soup. This keeping kosher thang is hard!

    (I’m being so off topic, but dang it, I’m in a sharing mode. Feel free to collapse and ignore my stream of rambling familial observations. It’s the holidays, no doubt we are all having our fair share.)

    • Missionary Kid

      To be an ass, pork fat works real good for pie crusts.

      • Vaquera

        Yep, lard is the best and therein lies the problem.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          coconut cream instead maybe?

          • Vaquera

            Cream….problem.
            We will be scooping out two servings of the floor pie before desecrating it with the previously mentioned whipped cream.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You’ve got a new traditional pie going now – Floor Pie! Love it.

            • Vaquera

              Extra IAS status points to anyone who references “floor pie” a year from today.

            • mon elle

              Hi … I am posting this from November 26, 2016, courtesy of a revolutionary new time traveling wi-fi signal.

              Good news: Floor pie!

              Bad news: Midget’s still in charge of a shrinking clampire.

            • Missionary Kid

              Actually, I’d like to have Microbrain still in charge. He speeds up people blowing. He’s Mr. Footbullet.

            • Kestrel

              Same here, unless getting people to blow is part of a plan to start fresh.

            • Missionary Kid

              I doubt he has any plan to start fresh.

            • Kestrel

              Let’s hope not.

            • Vaquera

              Awww, clever, mon elle. Did you use a flux capacitor?

            • mon elle

              Close. A reflux capacitor. Finally found a productive use for all my indigestion.

            • Vaquera

              ^^^^^

          • coonellie

            cashew cream makes the absolute best whipped cream of all. You cannot tell the difference. Of course, nowadays, there are a number of dairy-free/vegan whipped creams that taste yummy.

        • coonellie

          Baby C went vegan for a number of years and I learned to make the pumpkin pie and the green bean casserole without dairy (and kosher). Then, she could eat the fixins and we could eat the lamb (and fixins) together.

          Eating meat requires a much longer wait time before you can have milk again (for keeping kosher, which you probably know so forgive me for restating this), so having a dairy free vegan pumpkin pie with vegan whipped cream afterwards negates the wait time :).

          BTW, I didn’t tell the guests and none of them even knew, but it took a few years of perfecting the ingredients to get to that stage.

          Just a thought for next year :).

          • Vaquera

            We’ve been doing this for almost 20 years now. Tonight one person had a wee too much vino and, oops, butter in the broth. No…it was not me!

            • coonellie

              Thanks for the giggle! As my beloved auntie would say, “Oy vey iz mir!”

              I’ve got a Korean, a Greek, two Indians (one Sikh and one Hindi) and two Americans coming for Thanksgiving tomorrow. You should see my juggling act in the kitchen. No wine for me until I sit down at the table (yeah, right ;).

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Wow – this takes the cake, coonellie – you win!

            • Missionary Kid

              You obviously aren’t worried about immigrants. Good on ya.

            • coonellie

              I’m married to one πŸ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m a first, second, and third generation American. All my ancestors came from Sweden, but, since my parents were missionaries, we often had people over from all over the world. I learned a lot at the table about other countries from those immigrants.

            • coonellie

              Mr. C and I have always had friends from all over the world. We met overseas, have lived in numerous countries, and love learning new things and ways of looking at our world. I’m sure your dinners were a master’s education in world culture. You were very blessed to have that.

    • Kestrel

      Kosher is not an issue for me if you feel like whipping up another pie.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I had to look up glatt. Never knew there was such things as kosher pumpkin pie though!

        • Kestrel

          I didn’t know what it was either. Too busy thinking about pie to dwell on the leek soup.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            MK just gave me the clue – lard is the word – I remember now my grandmother scooping out a small hill of white lard – Crisco lard. Best pie crusts still. But I can see that needs to be kosher

            • Baby

              Shit..stick a pickle in it Hole..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Shit pickle pie on a stick bwahah

        • Davka

          Kosher practically everything. Except for pork, shellfish, and cheeseburgers, of course.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Sounds like a great idea! I’m waiting for my mini pumpkin something or other with almond sort of crust to get done, 10 minutes more. I was just thinking – if I pile enough whip cream on top – they’ll all be happy – nothing like a whole bunch high on whip cream -.

      • beauty for ashes

        giggles~ good thinkin Hole πŸ™‚

    • Eclipse-girl

      when you say hand whipped creme, I wonder why you are not using an electric mixer.

      I grew up with home made whipped creme and it is sinful.
      I can not imagine using my arm muscles to whip up a wonderful stiff whiffed creme.

      The leek / fennel soup with sauteed mushrooms was canceled because ALL of the guest were dubious about mushrooms

      • Vaquera

        Hand whipped because that’s how my teenage niece likes it and since she volunteers to do it every year, voilΓ‘.

        • Eclipse-girl

          teen age niece is a masochist.

          Grew up with Grandmothers Kitchen Aid and it always made the whipped creme. (5 qt)
          I inherited it but Mr E dropped it onto a cement floor and broke the case. I was a bit peeved at the time.

          Bought ourselves a new one, and was once gifted a kitchen aid hand mixer.
          Both are sufficient for the job.

          My concern with hand mixing is keeping the creme cold.
          I do not want sweet butter.
          Do you use special copper bowls?

          • Missionary Kid

            Put the bowl in the refrigerator for a while before use, and war gloves so your hands don’t warm the bowl?

            • Eclipse-girl

              the bowl, and the whipping attachment are in the freezer before use. πŸ˜‰

          • Vaquera

            I step away. Just step away.

          • pixie dust

            I use glass bowls, but put them in the freezer for about 30 minutes before using for whipping cream.

      • Vaquera

        Sorry about your soup.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Mr E and I will be having it through the weekend.
          The leek / fennel base is very good and just needs the sauteed mushrooms to be added in.

      • Missionary Kid

        If you didn’t pick them, what’s the problem? Some people just don’t like the texture. Me? I’m almost omnivorous.

      • Missionary Kid

        I was referring to picking the mushrooms.

    • mon elle

      I’m late to the party (sorry). What the hell is a “floor” pie? Although now Jewish, I’m familiar with being kosher and I am at a loss of any kosher laws that are okay with food and the floor,

      Unless it’s a variation of Yiddish I missed.

      • Missionary Kid

        Someone else dropped it on the floor taking it out.

      • Davka

        The kosher discussion was probably about the butter, not the floor

        • Eclipse-girl

          butter isn’t kosher?
          I know there is a thing about dairy and meat, but dairy and veg?

          dietary rules baffle me.

          • Davka

            Butter is kosher, but cannot be put in a chicken broth to make soup – then you get into the whole meat-dairy-never the twain shall meet thing.

            • Eclipse-girl

              But butter can be used in pumpkin pie.

              It is a weird thing to me that dairy )butter) can be used with meat (chicken broth). Would you use some form of olive / vegetable oil?

              Ever curious

            • Davka

              Since dairy can’t be used, it would be oil, pareve/non-dairy margarine, or maybe even chicken fat. Decent non-dairy desserts can be challenging – thus why I went to the good bakery to get them.

          • Juicer77

            (butting in here… I listened to an audio lecture on Kosher laws during early Christian times, and there was an entire discussion about how pouring liquid from a clean pitcher into an unclean bowl would cause the pitcher to become unclean. I totally don’t have the patience for all that.)

            • Eclipse-girl

              some of the laws made some kind of sense in that era.

              Aren’t some of the purification rituals a bit unusual?

            • Juicer77

              Not sure… it wasn’t an in depth lecture. I know that women seemed to have a never-ending series of purifications.

    • Davka

      I am going to friends who keep kosher and bought pareve/non-dairy pies from a great local bakery. Someone from work asked what would happen if I just made something in my non kosher and didn’t tell them – I told him that would be unethical! I’m not nonkashering anyone’s house. No-siree-bob.

  • Doc M
    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks, Doc. I love it.

    • Mockingbird

      This is awesome. Must be packaged with Neurotology.

  • flyonthewall
    • I think my theme for the next 4 days is: https://youtu.be/FlkSTECvRnU

      Edward wants me to walk over to Siberia for dinner tomorrow, does not understand walking hurts me greatly—makes my ribs hurt; nor does he think his house is Siberia cuz “the thermostat is at 55”. I explained I can’t have anything with dairy anymore (my dairy allergy has decided to go out of control all of a sudden), what was he having? Everything has dairy–slathering the turkey with butter too. Dude, it will make me start coughing and that hurts, plus I’ll be frozen. “I’ll turn the heat to 60”. Well golly gee!! 60 degrees, pain walking over and not able to eat anything. LEAVE ME ALONE!!!! He’s off work for 4 days. Dear fuck, he’s gonna drive me nuts. He wants me to get up early Friday—6am to order something online at Kohl’s for him. NO!!!!!!!!!!! I might be up on my own but I am NOT doing that! (His computer is being fixed—he didn’t break it, amazingly).

      Another theme, thru clenched teeth: I’m so fucking happy I could die! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTyBwr7qw2Q

      • Supper Powers

        Sounds like it’s time to revisit this friendship.

        • he’s my best friend but he just fucking GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::headdesk:: he’s getting a samsung tablet—that i AM gonna order for him, at my leisure friday—-and he’s HAD a tablet before (a bad one but still he knows how they work)….so fucking get this, he asks me “once i log onto my wifi then the tablet will know all my passwords right?” um no, think about it, when i was over with my tablet and got on your wifi i had no access to your passwords “but that was you, this would be my tablet and me so it should know them right?” no and i am really at a loss for words here, this is 100 times worse than when you asked if i was gonna install google on your laptop…..

          i mean DAFUQ?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??! he means well…..he does….my dairy allergy has just flared up the past few weeks—and since i cut out all dairy DAMN my sinus issues are so so much better!!!! and i am ALWAYS available—usually….so he just expects it……i’m more reliable than his real family……hell, whenever he goes in the hospital i’m the one in charge…..when he had quintuple bypass in ’02 they all agreed if something happened i’d be in charge of his funeral and everything else….

          he can bring over some turkey for the dogs (they can cheat on their diets) and cats tomorrow……

          ETA: the tablet is being ordered from amazon, not kohls he wants some fucking coat from amazon—-he can get his ass up and go there himself and fight the vicious people for it if he wants it so bad!! HAH!!!

          • Missionary Kid

            From a friend of mine I learned that even margarine often has dairy in it.

            If you’re in charge of the funeral, I’d hope that they give you some money.

            • I would NEVER take any money if/when I have to arrange his funeral! Hell, the rate he’s gonna he’s gonna off me!! HAH!!!

              Yeah, he said he also had margarine and I said, dude, dairy!!! He said he had rolls—dairy and probably HFCS, which I’ve always avoided anyway (that has nothing to do with dairy). I’ve been researching online and found a store bought bread I can buy with NO dairy. I did get a small container of Earth Balance spread and that was really good. I want to get the Earth Balance sticks to use in baking in a recipe that calls for butter to see how it does. It’s amazing how many things have dairy in them!!!

          • Observer
          • Supper Powers

            Sounds like you’re married!

          • Eclipse-girl

            Dairy allergy?

            Does that mean milk chocolate is out an only dark is acceptable?

            I only worry about the important things – chocolate / dessert

            • no milk chocolate no way no how ever again…..dark—as long as they don’t sneak in dairy is fine…..

              FUCK!!! i know damn well i have 2 boxes of benadaryl here and i cannot find there!!! well it’s dollar general’s benadryl which is the EXACT same as the REAL benadryl……FUCK!!!! i took my bedtime benadryl and went to get to get another box when i emptied the bottle and PANIC!!! I’ve searched—and hurt—-and can’t find ’em….i KNOW i have ’em cuz i just bought ’em! GAH!!! I’m gonna have to fucking go to dollar general tomorrow morning first thing…FUCK!! i take benadryl in the morning too….i have bad allergies over all….

            • Eclipse-girl

              does dark chocolate have dairy in it?

              I am trying to plan for thank you gifties

            • some does….i haven’t started exploring that aspect yet….i’m trying to expand my regular daily rations into totally non-dairy things…..

            • Eclipse-girl

              you will keep me informed

            • if you’re planning for thank you gifts for someone, they might not have the apparent extreme my dairy allergy has taken…..i know there’s a lot of people like me (HAHAHA, yeah right, can you imagine?!) with the dairy….but some people can tolerate some dairy—i use to be able too!!! then something got ‘switched’ and nope, no way no how…..my sinuses immediately know!!! i still have my cup of cocoa every evening and that will suffice til i figure out the chocolate issue….my ghetto cocoa is just unsweetened cocoa powder and sugar (50/50 each) mixed together and then a couple teaspoons with boiling water….works for me! πŸ™‚

      • flyonthewall

        55!? da fuck iz wrong w/him!? He may be some kind of Abominable Snowman guy, I’d keep an eye on him

        • He also doesn’t like coffee OR chocolate!!! I don’t think he’s human!! That might explain a lot!

          • flyonthewall
          • Supper Powers

            Oh that’s a total deal breaker for any relationship.

            • For a friend? o_O You can’t be friends with someone who doesn’t like coffee or chocolate?

            • Supper Powers

              No way! I’d never trust them.

          • Missionary Kid

            Tea?

  • Jimmy3

    Do you guys sell floor pie here?

    • I heard Baby’s friend might make it her specialty! πŸ™‚

      • Supper Powers

        That’s just pie in the sky talk.

      • OOkpik

        Perhaps she should specialize in face pies.

    • Baby

      Hahah.. OMG I needed that. I moved to this Freakin Island for Peace..Now I’m in the middle of this Drama. I NEED PIEEEEEEEEEE.. I don’t care if it’s been on the floor or not!

      • Jimmy3

        Tell me about it. I get angry at floors when they don’t have pie.

        • Okay, now I wanna find a permanent marker and go draw a pie on my kitchen floor!!!

      • Kestrel

        I’ve never had an issue eating food that touched the floor. Well, except soup. And gravy.

        • Baby

          Depends on the soup Kestrel..xo

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Take a left, down the stairs to the basement. Knock 3 times and whisper the secret code through the keyhole for entry – if there’s any left. If not, I may or may not have cranberry soup And pumpkin pie soup. Check back in the morning. I’ll make you a deal.

    • Vaquera

      We’re running a holiday special on it.

      • Jimmy3

        I joke about floor pies, but two years ago I almost ruined Thanksgiving. I brined, baked and basted the bird, and I really put a lot of care into it. It was my baby, and it was gorgeous. It looked like something out of Martha Stewart’s wet dreams. It was golden brown and just oh my fucking god I want that right now.. I was thinking about taking pictures and posting them on Instagram like some dumb schmuck.

        But the kitchen is crammed. Too many people, every solid counter surface taken up by pots and pans and platters and plates of food, and I had to put it somewhere. So I just set it *temporarily* on one of those island-on-wheels while I went to clear some space…

        …And this turkey wanted to fly. My father is trying to squeeze past my sister while she’s getting something off the stove, backs up to slide by, hits the island and weeeeeeeeeee

        Splat.

        Luckily it landed tinfoil-side-down, and all the breast meat was still good. But there were drippings and bits of turkey everywhere. My dog still says it was his favorite holiday ever.

        • Missionary Kid

          Arf!

        • Vaquera

          “A Thanksgiving Story”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Now that’s a Turkey Day story!

        • Rasha

          LOL! I’ve had episodes of “everyone watching and oooing-ahing as I carefully transfer the bird to the plate”…. and it completely falls apart, leaving me with a few fragments on the forks and turkey juice splashed everywhere….. Memorable moments.

        • flyonthewall

          one time our dog ate the entire turkey, it was really big too. And yes, we ate the dog, so?

          Srsly though, he really did eat the whole turkey

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Ours did too – German Shepherd. There’s even a squirrel in this story – somehow one got in the incinerator chute that had a small opening in our tiny kitchen. That year grandparents had to move in, there were all sorts of inherited step family and I think a cousin – there were 14 in total, plus two poodles and the German Shepherd

            Table manners were for losers – and hungry people – at our table. You moved fast as soon as anything touched the surface. Someone threw some bag down the chute and up jumps this squirrel and literally flies through the air and lands on the table. The shephard lunges, and everyone’s trying to catch the squirrel, 10 people were squeezing thru the hallway at the same time. Bad idea. I remember one had to get shots, stitches in ER, and all forgot about the bird cooling on the back room shelf. Dog was happy as can be – well, until about 3 a.m.

            It was hilarious and dinner sucked big time, but we did get a good deal on a turkey next day. Between ER bills and Vet bills, and replacing a major punch bowl, it was a very expensive turkey day, but one we talked about every year.

            • Missionary Kid

              Squirrel tech rules!!!!

              I’m still laughing.

            • Juicer77

              XD
              This is hilariously funny! Glad everybody (two and four legged) was ok afterward!

            • flyonthewall

              Ha! Sounds like something out of a movie

        • aquaclara

          That’s a funny story but at the time, it had to be a bit eventful. I blame my bad turkey year on an overly flimsy aluminum roaster and a bad Bobby Flay recipe that said to put an entire carton of chicken broth in with the turkey. Over full, the broth fell all over the gas oven when I tried to take the bird out. Flames, fire extinguisher and the firemen came to visit. It might have helped to remember to turn the damn oven off, which I did not. We went out to dinner….so someone else could cook.

          • Jimmy3

            Oh damn. That’s a hell of a lot worse. We just kinda laughed our situation off. Then made Dad eat outside.

            • aquaclara

              I can laugh about it, but it was a bit awkward there for a bit. Your story is a good one.

        • Juicer77

          ROFL! (with sympathy)

    • flyonthewall
  • pixie dust

    Happy Thanksgiving all. Always wanted to post this when THDNE is around.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKN8OzzO8s

    ETA: I just can’t get this stuff right!!!!!
    Now it works.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Alright -Mr. Hole will especially love this – he has his stories – And I think that’s his shirt – I finally got him to throw out last month. Thank you!

    • May_West

      Here’s another one about how it feels to be in The Hole That Does Not Exist:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6aNnMqmgc

  • SarahDB

    Haven’t been around much, busy busy with school, but wanted to wish everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving. Grateful for this place with all of you.

    • Rasha

      You, too!!!!! ^_^

    • salin

      Happy Thanksgiving SarahDB!

      I hope that along with the business of the school work, you are finding intellectual electricity – where ideas presented spur new thoughts, questions, arguments that spark your thirst to search and read more. Of course the downside to that dynamic (which I loved) was that it has to be done on top of keeping up with course work, and (if working) job responsibilities.

      Best to you. (and echo your gratefulness for this place and community.)

      • SarahDB

        Yes, Salin, enjoying the intellectual stimulation a bit more than the demand I write it all down in a coherent form so I can show all that intellectual stimulation! Three more weeks to do one huge research paper, a theoretical model of a process of reading, a statistics final, and a group presentation on the research conducted for a dissertation! Should be lots of fun!

    • Eclipse-girl

      i hope that school is going well
      Have a great feast day tomorrow

      • SarahDB

        You too E-girl!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am also thankful for the Bunker!

    • Juicer77

      Happy Thanksgiving! Take a break from the books and eat some nommy food. πŸ™‚

      • SarahDB

        You too Juicer, have a great holiday!

  • I hope no one ordered their turkey via FedEx. Peaceful Thanksgiving to all.

    • Vaquera

      Bro-in-law just figured out that our 20 pounder is still semi-frozen. He’s submerging it in a sink of water to thaw overnight. I swear, the Butterball Hotline police will be banging on the front door before clear day.

  • Supper Powers

    What’s the best way to make potatoes?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Plenty o Irish around these parts to help you out. What kind would you like to make?

      • Supper Powers

        Just taking a quick poll about potato making. Sweet? Blue? Russet? Baked, boiled, broiled, mashed, smashed, jerked, soaked in booze, etc?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Twice baked!

        • Eclipse-girl

          for thanksgiving – smashed, for gravy

        • aquaclara

          Making mashed sweet potatoes….

    • Missionary Kid

      If you’re talking mashed, boil until soft, mash, add butter/margarine salt, pepper, (I like to add garlic, powdered or pureed).

      Go online, there’s plenty of recipes.

      • Supper Powers

        I can cook, I’m just curious about kind of potatoes others like at Thanksgiving. I like garlic in mine, too. Plus plain yogurt for tang.

        • pixie dust

          Mashed with real butter, salt, and sour cream.

        • salin

          A dash of some cajun spice mix (like Konriko), in place of salt and pepper.

      • Simi Valley

        Scalloped potatoes with cheese, or gratin dauphinois, a French version.

    • Vaquera

      Just starting the mashed now. Everyone else has gone to bed…it’s freaking 9:17!

      • Eclipse-girl

        the pice is made, the turkey is brined, the cinnamon rolls are ready for tomorrow

        And out leek / fennel base has been made

        Oh, and I cleaned. Mr E did all the stuff above.

        • aquaclara

          PIE! YUM. I made an apple crumb pie and an ice cream sundae pie, plus cookies and added a pumpkin pie from Giant. What kind are you eating, so I will save some room.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I forgot to mention – Daughter E’s two friends are bringing a sweet potato dish and an apple crumble

            • aquaclara

              Isn’t this a great holiday? My turkey is looking good so far (it’s not frozen any more). Once, we had a bit of an unintentional turkey flambΓ© that I still have to live down.

            • Eclipse-girl

              once, I had 4 – 6 friends come over for dinner. One was traveling from out of town.

              I (yes me) made a great hungarian goulash. It was perfect at 5:00 pm.
              I let it sit in the over to stay warm. that was the mistake.

              We went out for Chinese

            • aquaclara

              Laughing in total sympathy!

    • Baby

      OMG.. Mashed.. then add sour cream and Philadelphia cream cheese..and Bake 350 .. ooh and smother in butter on top..and it will get a nice little crust.. family does it every holiday..

    • mon elle

      Chipped.

      Or from a box.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Most excellent choice!

    • Vaquera

      Xoxo

    • Chris Whitley – Living With The Law

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-t2h5qeEo4

      • Qbird

        love this. DTL… !?! okay then. ; )

        • DTL

          It’s short.

          • Qbird

            gotcha fine there.
            luv,
            Q

    • pixie dust

      Ry Cooder is the boss. Such a diverse artist.

    • Eclipse-girl

      a favorite album

      you and I, Mr E and partner to Pan have to get together and discus music

      Howdy Con – but no Mr E πŸ˜‰

      • Qbird

        Hiya E~girl. πŸ™‚
        Where is Howdycon & when, please?
        (I’ve been off line a spell.)

        • Jimmy3

          Cleveburg, Ohio. June 19-21

          • Qbird

            Tks J3Xs. Clevenberg, OH.
            okay. ain’t never been there.

            • Jimmy3

              It’s a booming metropolis. Consistently rated the #1 Boomingest Metropolis by Lake Erie Magazine. Every year. Have you heard of Lebron James? He plays basketball here.

            • Qbird

              hmmm… sorry to report, I don’t follow sports. (
              I have heard of a Lebron James.

              Howdycon will be on that fine famous BIG Lake ~ Lake Erie. nice.

              Still & all, my Walleye beats your Walleye ~ Buckeye Boy.

            • Jimmy3

              The date has been changed to June 17-19. I didn’t screw up and tell you the wrong dates.

            • Eclipse-girl

        • Eclipse-girl

          Howdycon is in Cleveland and for one weekend in June 2016, June 17 – 19

          http://www.howdycon.com/

  • Vaquera

    Floor Pie Update, Addendum:
    I just took a peek under the protective foil wrap to assess tomorrow’s project and dang it all if my dad didn’t eat 1/3 of it when we weren’t looking. Thanksgiving heck and gobble-gobble grandpa!

    • Supper Powers

      Pie drama. πŸ˜‰

    • pixie dust

      Check him. I bet he has Pie Face.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        How about a pi-pie? Okay, I’m all cooked out for the day. That’s all I got.

        • Baby

          cute Hole..

          That would have been a bitch to shoop..ugh

    • Juicer77

      Go, grandpa!! LOL

  • Jimmy3

    We’re going all out, hoity-toity fancy this year: silverware and napkins.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Have fun.

      • Jimmy3

        I have no idea how to use napkins, so I’m just going to tuck them everywhere I can fit one.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think that will work, if they give you enough napkins πŸ˜‰

        • DTL

          Distruct ’em wid napkins. Silver stocks might go up again.

        • mon elle

          Think toilet paper for the other end of the digestive tract.

          (Silently prays J3 knows what I’m talking about.)

          πŸ˜‰

        • Ella Raitch

          Pix pls

    • Qbird
      • pixie dust

        Why would he even comment on this publicly? If he’s truly close to the family he should keep it private. Blech.

      • cheers

        • pixie dust

          Is this legit? Would they just make up that quote from Travolta?

          • “said a pal”

            …. must admit, haven’t heard that one in ages, lol

            • pixie dust

              I’m talking about the one directly attributed to Travolta. “My goal is to make sure that his family is okay”

            • in my latest blog post I spent quite a bit of time tracking down the supposed story of Cruise seeing Suri “in secret” during the MI5 premier in NY… to cut a long story short all the stories listed their “source (you know, like ‘pal’) as OK Magazine but the links they provided were totally bogus… the actual OK Magazine site did not have this story at all…total made up bullshit in other words but it was still picked up by bottom feeder gossip sites.

              … so obviously anything the Enquirer says has to be taken with a pinch of salt [total bollocks, ed]… the eds like to play a game of how far can I go before a real libel [not a threat of one] actually turns up on their door step!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Is that photo for real? Travolta looks so… I don’t know what to call it. Yikes!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I can not believe the mother ( and I assume widow) would allow that.

      ETA: The more I think of it, I think JT and KP are using this for their own publicity.

      • realise the source…. look at the other stories below

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        • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

          Why do you post something that you think is false? It’s a bit of a distraction from the legitimate info on this blog…

          • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

            Just my humble opinion…

          • are you for real?

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              Yeah. Is it for entertainment purposes?

            • suggest you spend a couple of hours reading the comments here over a the past few days to get a handle on what’s what before we all start thinking you’re just trolling

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              ok, i guess i made some sort of mistake. it’s very hard to keep up here these days. my apologies.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It’s all good.

              Have a great Thanksgiving.

            • Juicer77

              No, you had a legitimate question. I defended you upthread. Sorry I’m late to the “discussion.” Have a great Thanksgiving, and I want to borrow that puppy for snuggle time. πŸ™‚

            • Jimmy3

              Ease up. Joy is good. It’s all good.

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              I missed the sarcasm this time around… Oops! Thanks, J3! πŸ˜‰

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              Good night, everyone! Have a Wonderful Thanksgiving! I’ve probably had too much Holiday already! ;D F5

            • that was me “easing”… Xenu forbid what happens here if a regular is rough on a newcomer… they get banned, self exile themselves and more [you should know]… but you must admit:

              “Why do you post something that you think is false? It’s a bit of a distraction from the legitimate info on this blog…”

              is somewhat provocative … but Joy, if J3 vouches that’s good enough for me

            • Supper Powers

              Oh knock it off Lush. You are so oafish sometimes.

            • what… you want a fucking argument as well?

            • Supper Powers

              Nope. You are not interesting to argue with so, no.

            • so don’t stick you oar in… this whole thing was/is resolving itself perfectly nicely

            • Supper Powers

              Thanks for tip. Have a great day.

            • Jimmy3

              I know what you’re saying. But like I said, it’s all good.

            • Juicer77

              Sounds like a legit question to me… a brief, helpful answer would have been much more constructive. New-ish folks here don’t always have time to read the reams of back comments before they jump in. You know this as well as anyone. Just take a breath. Thx

  • what’sup

    Happy Thanksgiving Seppo’s! Please drink a non domestic beer for me.(unless it’s Sierra Nevada, if so, have at it)

  • Baby

    OK.. ALL YOU ATHEISTS out there( OR people like me are spiritual but do not believe in Religion or organized religion) .. You will die.. Tomorrow my hubby is going fishin and I am delivering pies.. So NO cooking..

    SO Hold on.. I AM GOING TO PICK UP 4 THANKSGIVING DINNER FROM THE CHURCH OF GOD TOMORROW. I ORDERED 4 SO WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE LEFTOVER.. $7 a meal..

    I am going to hell I just know it.. wait.. no I’m not.. cause I believe.. But will feel really creepy going in.. eeeeek

    • Supper Powers

      That’s a great idea! This atheist approves!

    • Ben Franklin

      Babies don’t go to hell. They have no sins

      • Nat-leficent

        You aren’t Catholic are you?
        XD

        • Ben Franklin

          no

    • daisy

      They will just be glad they get used up. I think you end up on the –to the good –end , so no worries . Enjoy the food guilt free.

      • Baby

        Phew.. OK I will all 4 helpings of everything..Including 2 pumpkin pieces and 2 Pecans..( from a woman who is from Georgia who is woo Hooed on the Island..

        ( I won’t tell Tami..well cause I’m eating hers too..) night again.

    • stanrogers

      Think of getting Thanksgiving dinner at a church as a sort of homage to the Alice’s Restaurant Massacree of 1965 (50 years ago this year) – but whatever you do, don’t volunteer to take the garbage to the dump.

      • Baby

        “In the words of Guthrie, “I’m sittin’ here on the Group W bench ’cause
        you want to know if I’m moral enough to join the Armyβ€”burn women, kids,
        houses and villagesβ€”after bein’ a litterbug.”

        ……………………………………………
        Oh hell yes.. fabulous reference stan. You nailed it.. I remember it well! I was 18 when it happened and I was a huge fan of Mr. Arlo Guthrie..Bravo!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I’ll bet the food is going to be…

      …wait for it…

      …HEAVENLY…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Baby

        Oh NO YOU DINT.. hahahhahaa

    • Juicer77

      It’s all good. Enjoy the food.. While you’re there take a quick look around at the fliers on the wall and see what they’re up to community-wise. That’s always interesting to see.

      • Baby

        They do have a great reputation on the island for feeding the needy ..Very Charitable..

        But Juice.. I am running in and running out quickly with my TO GO order. Praise the Lord and Pass the Mashed Potatoes.. xoxo Trudy

  • the story’s a day old but this new headline that just popped up deserves kudos… a sub-ed after my own heart

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/central-coast/ready-willing-and-not-able-to-set-up-a-drug-alcohol-rehab-centre-at-yarramalong/story-fngr8h0p-1227623919322

    pic

    • Sunny Sands

      Good news :-).

    • Juicer77

      +100 points for emphasizing the ABLE connection!

  • Sunny Sands

    Tony did a story about the scientology connection of Kerri Kasem, daughter of Casey Kasem.

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/09/casey-kasems-sordid-family-drama-is-kerris-involvement-in-scientology-relevant/

    Kerri and Casey’s other 2 children, Julie and Michael, along with Casey’s brother, Mouner, are now suing Casey’s widow, Jean, for wrongful death. Kerri’s lawyers are Troy Martin and Steve Shuman. Any sci connection of the lawyers?

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/apnewsbreak-casey-kasems-widow-sued-for-wrongful-death/ar-AAfFR8n?ocid=spartanntp

    • boy, this is going to open a whole can of scientology beans again… hey OSA who follow here… get ready to make Jesse Kove a star all over again!!

      • Sunny Sands

        (F5)refresh
        Here’s something I found on Instagram

        • actually caught the douche using a psuedonym saying disgusting things about Jean Kasem on disqus before he could change his sock account… I knew sooner or later the cult wouldn’t be able to help themselves when it would come to Kasem’s money….

          pic

          • Sunny Sands

            The playbook doesn’t change much, does it? Pretty sad.

    • I’m going to go back to all those threads and tell “elle” that I told you so.

      Troy Martin is a Scientologist.

  • DTL

    Hi. I’m new here. What is this blog.

    • pixie dust

      What have you done with DoDo?

      • DTL

        Dodo does not exist.

        • pixie dust

          OK, coming for you.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’m close enough to come find you.

    • Nat-leficent

      Down to . . . what?

      • DTL

        9 days

        • Nat-leficent

          1. Down to Learn?
          2. Down to Leave?
          3. Down to Live?
          4. Down to LeadHisPeopleOutOfEgypt?

          • DTL

            December 5. RIP Lisa.

          • Jimmy3

            Cmon.

    • Juicer77

      A lighthouse, my friend. It’s a lighthouse on a stormy night.

  • Baby

    Night everyone.. Be safe in here.. Tomorrow is PIE DAY.. woohoo.. xoxo love baby

  • pixie dust

    Sorry guys, I am a failure at videos.

    • Supper Powers

      But I hear you make a great martini, so no worries.

    • Baby

      what are you trying to do pixie.. I’m going to bed, but others will help you doggy..xo

    • 9001

      Hi pixie. I’m here to help. What videos are you trying to post?

    • Juicer77

      (pssst… blame it on Disqus πŸ˜‰

  • Pam from AL

    Those people in the pictures celebrating should be ashamed of themselves. Have they ever researched Lisa McPherson?

    • Juicer77

      They haven’t. Probably have never heard of her. If they have heard whispers or were around at that time, they were told to shut up about it, it was a one-time thing and just a footnote in the glorious story of the Co$. Sad but true.

  • Baby

    Over at Rinders..has this been posted et.. Larry/Denise mentioned ( RIP) from 2009

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/02/11/mysterious-scientology-project-raises-questions-in-wyoming.html

  • Lady Squash

    Good news about Belgium and New South Wales. It definitely feels like the tide has turned.

  • Lighthouse

    Good news about New South Wales, Australia. Good news if Belgium curb or ban $cn.

    The biggest victory, of course, will be the US reversing the tax exemption fraud. I’m not American but $cn has the biggest foothold in America and the rest of $cientology is run from America. This will speed up the cult’s demise.

    Looking forward to that. I’m patient.

  • Jimmy3

    Good news about the southern whales. I love those nims

  • Lighthouse

    For some reason, Jim Mathers has always irritated me. He’s an attention seeker and has a manic look about him. Check his eyes.

    • Liberated

      I believe the characteristics you are referring to are called “brain damage ,”

  • califa007

    In the really old days, when I was a kid, my mother gave me Turpin (SP?) Hydrate and Codeine for chest colds. It was OTC. And Benzedrine inhalers were available at least through sometime in the 60’s. They really worked for congestion and Paregoric worked for teething. Alas, no more!

  • Captain MustSavage

    Had a quick look at the Narconon rehab program outlines in the Yarramalong outcome. Absolutely nothing there related to standard drug and alcohol rehab in the form of educating people about relapse, identifying high risk situations likely to trigger relapse or training in evidence based strategies to bolster coping in vulnerable situations. No surprise there.

    • I’ve been examining leaked Narconon workbooks here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/narconon-scientology/

      The Narconon programme is, for all intents and purposes, Scientology training. It’s in a slightly different order to what is presented in Orgs, but it’s exactly the same stuff. The first workbook covers ‘Training Routines’. The second is all about the ‘purif’, the third introduces ‘study tech’ and so on.

      It’s not just an ineffective drug rehabilitation programme – it’s completely irrelevant to drug abuse (unless, of course, you believe that Scientology can solve any problem). To say that it’s not evidence-based is a monumental understatement.

      Once you see this in black and white, it’s impossible to understand how such dangerous nonsense is approved by supposed authorities – unless they are simply afraid to deny such a well-resourced and notoriously litigious organisation.

  • madame duran

    Re: The Yarramalong decision

    Anytime Scientology gets denied, it’s like music to my ears.

    Noticed how the program participants are referred to as “students” rather than “patients” (see building details under “The Application” heading). Right there, that should indicate that Narconon’s/Scientology’s approach isn’t medically based. Addicts need medical help and therapy for their recovery, not study courses and vitamins. What exactly is being “studied” anyway? Doesn’t anyone in the U.S. in the healthcare system ask these questions before granting Narconon its operational license?

    Quote from the judgment:

    The council maintains that the application should be refused because, in general terms, the application does not adequately address impacts relating to :

    social impact,

    sewage disposal,

    bushfire,

    existing buildings,

    public transport,

    impact on amenity,

    flooding,

    potable water,

    traffic, and

    zone objectives.

    Brainwashed Scientologist response: “None of that MEST stuff really matters when we’re on a mission to SAVE THE PLANET!!!”

    • Juicer77

      This is the frustration we deal with in the US. The Co$ is expert at “weasel words” like student vs. patient to sneak around medical regulation. And they use the religion card expertly to cover all questionable medical practices (which is exactly what they are). We’re just as puzzled about this as the rest of the world. When so much evidence of criminal and negligent behavior is taking place, small and large government agencies should be pressing charges, and reputable medical associations should warn people about the activities of these deadly groups. They can’t stop people from joining, but they sure could make the public aware that if you participate you’ll very likely end up seriously injured, psychologically damaged or dead.

    • Inadequate public transport is, in fact, probably one of the reasons that Narconon chose this location. It seems to like its facilities to be isolated so that ‘dissident’ students who leave can be ‘handled’ and ‘recovered’ more easily.

    • mon elle

      “Sewage disposal” …. is that Aussie code for “we expect lots of BS to be present”

  • Liberated

    As I scroll down and see this photo of Lisa, I think to myself, What a beautiful young girl she is. Why in God’s name did she have to die? Her death is an horrible injustice, of negligence and cruelty. I don’t care how long it’s been, I want justice now!!!!!!!

  • B4you
  • Tony Ortega

    Our holiday is going to start a little late this morning. Please be patient.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hey, it’s a holiday! Give the cats a day off already!

      • But the cats are always off! That’s why there still are mice in NYC.

        And Cobalt Ontario. That’s my SOC (Stupid Orange Cat) sprawled out on my legs. Once he gets settled, it takes a crowbar to remove him!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Bless ‘im. He looks just like an old cat of mine called Bam-Bam πŸ™‚

          • Eivol Ekdal

            Betty and Bam Bam, those were the days!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Duct tape paws, probably. That’s lerv!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Still thawing that turkey?

    • SarahDB

      Happy Thanksgiving Tony, grateful for all the work you do to expose the lies and machinations of the Co$.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Happy Turkey Day Mr. O. Thanks again for all your hard work. I don’t think I’m alone in saying we are very thankful for you.

  • OOkpik

    Happy Thanksgiving to all our neighbors south of the border. I have sincerely appreciated what each of you has brought to the Bunker and for all the work that has gone into putting the breaks on COS abuses. Mmwah!

    Have a great day.

    • Richard Grant

      Thanks OOkpik! And happy Thanksgiving from Maine to Bunkerites everywhere.

      • vicariousthrill

        Same to you!

      • Sherbet

        Happy Thanksgiving, Richard.

    • vicariousthrill

      Happy day to you, ook!

  • Rasha

    Happy Thanksgiving, Tony, and to all Bunkeroos, Lurkers, UTRs and your families. I’m glad to have the Bunker as my extended family, whether you like it or not (I’m the noisy one that coos loudly over the deviled eggs while the grown ups are trying to have a serious conversation).

    Much busy today. Very guests tomorrow. <3

    • vicariousthrill

      Love me some deviled eggs! Happy Tday, cutie pie!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Damn you, Rasha! (runs off for recipies – love these, don’t love making them )

      • Rasha

        OM NOM NOM NOM!!! Make extra!!!!

      • SarahDB

        A pastry bag makes them easier.

        • Rasha

          For me, it’s essential. In fact, they look so good, most never survive to reach the table…

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        How is everything at Casa THDNE this morning? Lively I imagine. πŸ™‚

    • SarahDB

      Hmmm, I only make deviled eggs in the summer! Are you saying we can eat them at, for example, Thanksgiving??!

      • Rasha

        shhhh – there’s a loophole in the recipe: as long as you have eggnog on the Fourh of July, you can have the eggs at Thanksgiving…..

  • EnthralledObserver

    Have a great day ‘Mericans! πŸ™‚

    • Rasha

      ^_^ Thanks, EO! You, too! There’s extra cranberry sauce if you’d like some. (Egg nog later)

  • aquaclara

    Sending Best wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving to Tony, the Bunker kitties and puppy dog, and to everyone here. May those turkeys and pies be tasty, and your time with family and friends be special.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Morning Bunkeroos. Happy Thanksgiving to all. I hope you all have a lovely day and a wonderful turkey coma later. πŸ™‚

    • chukicita

      I’m thankful for seeing NOLA here every morning with coffee and beignets. And for the Bunker family.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I’m thankful for warriors like Chuki who have not only been in this fight longer than I’ve known about it, but who also held my hand when I was a newbie and always had info/links for me when I had questions.

        Girl…I’d bring you some of this cheesecake if I could. πŸ˜€ (it’s calling to me rofl)

  • worstcultever

    hi bunks, i got nothing

    oh except any one of those smiling faces in that pic could be lisa in training

  • shasha40

    Happy Turkey day , Bunkeroos , Hope you all have a great day . I am greatful for my friends and family and the ability to communicate with them freely , even the pitas ! πŸ˜€

    • Rasha

      ^^^^^ This! <3

  • Jimmy3

    I’m gonna build a turkey fort and live in it until the pie forecloses and I have to move into a mashed potato hut

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Hehehehe!! Jimmy I’m going to be living in a caramel-apple cheesecake so if things don’t work out, let me know, I’ll have a room for you. πŸ™‚

      • SarahDB

        Wow, that sounds delicious, never heard of that flavor cheesecake!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          My Aunt’s recipe, I’m just keeping it in my fridge because she ran out of room. OMG it is delicious. I could stay home and just eat this. LOL

          • Kestrel

            Sounds wonderful.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Mmmmmmmm.

      • Jimmy3

        You are a kind buddy. Happy Thanksgiving πŸ™‚

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Same to you and yours my friend. Hope you have a great day.

    • what’sup

      I’d like to visit you and your turkey fort…..maybe stay awhile.

    • Rasha

      “Prepare the deviled egg salvo! When he comes running out, chase him down in the gravy boat!”

  • Kestrel

    After decades, my mom finally shared the recipe for her homemade cranberry sauce. Even though I am cooking-challenged, I took the plunge and made it this year. I’m on pins and needles hoping it turns out like hers.

  • FromPolandWithLove

    :):):):) Happy Thanksgiving Bunkeritas and Bunkeritos from US :):):):):) Enjoy Your Holidays :):):):)

  • PickAnotherID

    Morning all, and hoping you have a good Thanksgiving with friends and family.

    Busy day today! First the traditional Thankgiving breakfast of eggs over easy on top of Belgium waffles with bacon bits in them. Followed by the 1947 B&W version of “Miracle on 34th Street” and starting to set the table. Quick break to check the Bunker, then get the sweet potatos ready to go in the oven when the turkey comes out.

    Then FOOD!! Followed by pie and ice cream while the Panthers go 11-0 over the Cowboys. ;^))

    • Jimmy3

      Hell yes. I’m thankful for Cam Newton

      • PickAnotherID

        And Luke Kuechly!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      We’re getting the Spa Lounge ready for Thanksgiving parade watching with decadent baked goods, fruit smoothies and large pots of coffee, TV warmed up, tablets ready – just need to get the bird in the oven.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Clam chowder?
    Linguine vongole?

    What about $cientology Thanksgiving?

    The turkeys are the public.
    Stuffing, in French, is appropriately “farce”
    but the gravy’s all gone uplines.

    The carving knives are sharpened.
    Clamberry sauce is optional.
    The potatoes, like Hubbard’s theories, are half-baked,

    Pie? Pecan, of course – it has nuts in it.
    And there’s Kool-Aid, lotsa Kool-Aid.

    Just don’t forget to take yer Niacin, honey.

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, everyone.
    Thanks to you all, especially Tony
    Have some HowdyCon wine πŸ™‚

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Are you crossed out this morning, Pan? πŸ™‚

    • Rasha

      I can read behind the lines……

  • Begun, the Gobble Wars have.

  • Tony Ortega

    New post is up

  • Galaxyrayz

    It’s pretty amazing how this site keeps up with the developments and history of the cult.

    It’s saddening to read some of these posts and testimonials I find on facebook from members currently in.

    Keyword searching “COB” and “LRH” together, results from groups,pages, and individual user profiles posts show the brainwashing in one timeline back to back.

    Their posts all read like an advertisement and always shoutout COB and LRH (is this mandatory?)

    You would think they would try to be a lil bit more low key.

  • Nat-leficent

    test